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| nysosym | hi there :) | 05:31 |
| nysosym | any news? | 05:31 |
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| troy_s | greets nysosym | 06:21 |
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| troy_s | greets lizardking_ | 06:23 |
| lizardking_ | troy_s: Hi, I just finshed to study information retireival :D | 06:23 |
| troy_s | what are you taking in uni as your ugrad? | 06:23 |
| lizardking_ | what's ugrad? | 06:25 |
| nysosym | hi troy_s and lizardking_ :) | 06:27 |
| lizardking_ | Hi guy! | 06:27 |
| nysosym | Hmm i think it's a good way to make beryl/compit optional. :) | 06:28 |
| nysosym | But i liked the face browser idea for gdm, is these deffered although? | 06:29 |
| troy_s | ugrad == under grad degree | 06:29 |
| troy_s | as in your 4 year bachelors degree major | 06:29 |
| troy_s | i think fundamentally proceeding into opengl design issues | 06:30 |
| troy_s | without a strategy | 06:30 |
| troy_s | or the ability to offer other users suitable simulations via software | 06:30 |
| troy_s | is simply foolish | 06:30 |
| troy_s | sabdfl should just bork the whole gnome / kde war, fund an ubuntu-centric window manager in a similar vein to e17 | 06:32 |
| lizardking_ | When I will under grad senior degree , I will try to get a work in Canonical/ubuntu :D | 06:32 |
| troy_s | what is your major? | 06:32 |
| troy_s | computer science? | 06:32 |
| nysosym | troy_s: ok, but i think face-browser has a absolutely "must have" effect | 06:32 |
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| troy_s | nysosym: face browsers offer a fundamental security issue | 06:32 |
| lizardking_ | troy_s: yes computer science, networks, sw development | 06:33 |
| troy_s | nysosym: which isn't a huge deal in a home environment, but could be 'yet one more small detail' in a library, corporate, etc. | 06:33 |
| nysosym | troy_s: sure, but i option to activate them would be nice :D | 06:33 |
| troy_s | nysosym: option is great | 06:33 |
| troy_s | nysosym: but default is a no brainer. | 06:33 |
| troy_s | and once again, having the technology and integrating it with some degree of design based thinking is a whole other matter. | 06:34 |
| troy_s | Ubuntu has enough issues trying to get a bloody plan into place _without_ the complexities of GL interface design wrapped into it. | 06:35 |
| nysosym | But Macslow, would be write the code for that feature. Anyway, where is fschoep? | 06:36 |
| troy_s | fschoep left the Ubuntu crowd | 06:36 |
| nysosym | why? O.o | 06:37 |
| troy_s | We have enough features | 06:37 |
| troy_s | look at the nightmare we already have with rather scattered presentation | 06:37 |
| troy_s | look at the website, the packaging, the operating system itself, etc. | 06:37 |
| troy_s | its is just bloody awful across _all_ the ubuntus. | 06:37 |
| nysosym | Sure, i'm aren't a developer, that's only my mind. I think feisty fawn will be the direct concurrent of Vista and Leopard, and we should have many more eyecandy for a lot of new users. | 06:39 |
| troy_s | not a chance | 06:39 |
| troy_s | there is exactly 0% chance for Ubuntu to even be close to competing with those two | 06:39 |
| troy_s | they have actual design teams with trained and educated people on them | 06:40 |
| troy_s | we can't even agree to disagree | 06:40 |
| troy_s | Eyecandy is carefully planned and executed | 06:40 |
| troy_s | in both those environments | 06:40 |
| troy_s | not haphazard and scattered as in Ubuntu | 06:40 |
| troy_s | there is simply no hope until Ubuntu starts thinking about design -- the _full_ picture. | 06:41 |
| nysosym | what a shame, but ok, i agree that other things have a lot bigger priority | 06:41 |
| troy_s | In Free Software design, people realize they are working on a SINGLE project and the code MUST fit or else it will not work. | 06:42 |
| troy_s | In design -- everyone is happy go lucky | 06:42 |
| troy_s | There is no 'bigger picture' -- no central application that simply will 'work' or 'not work' | 06:42 |
| troy_s | No one treating it as a discipline | 06:42 |
| troy_s | It is a hobby level of design in FOSS. | 06:43 |
| troy_s | Simply abhorrent. | 06:43 |
| troy_s | No vision. Simplistic mimicry of the most mediocre variety. | 06:43 |
| troy_s | Etc. | 06:43 |
| troy_s | Unfortunately, that paints a bleak picture, but quite simply, it is the reality. | 06:44 |
| nysosym | yes, fully agreed! | 06:44 |
| nysosym | What we need is a global design guideline | 06:44 |
| troy_s | You need look no further than the awful tacky photography on the packaging, the rather 'always attempt to be middle grey unoffensive' stance of the work. | 06:44 |
| troy_s | etc. | 06:44 |
| troy_s | yep | 06:44 |
| troy_s | But unfortunately, the man steering that process A) doesn't give a feck and doesn't appreciate its importance in the product, B) doesn't have an understanding of even the most fundamental principles, etc. | 06:45 |
| troy_s | Brilliant guy | 06:45 |
| nysosym | but, the most devs are hobby programmer and nobody can force them to use these guideline | 06:45 |
| troy_s | but on seeing the whole package, he simply flails. | 06:45 |
| troy_s | Yes... or untrained 'artists' | 06:46 |
| troy_s | And we do have trained folks in our midst. | 06:46 |
| troy_s | coz_ I know for certain is trained and educated. | 06:46 |
| troy_s | Etc. | 06:46 |
| troy_s | It has a serious impact when attempting to evaluate directionality -- as in 'the future' -- as you can evaluate patterns based on your historical knowledge, etc. | 06:46 |
| nysosym | troy_s: ok, but on the other side, 98% of applications in OSX looks perfect, stylish and perfect. Why can't Linux dev make these true?! | 06:47 |
| troy_s | I already explained that... | 06:47 |
| troy_s | First, OSX isn't the end all nor something we would want to imitate | 06:47 |
| troy_s | It has flaws. | 06:47 |
| troy_s | etc. | 06:47 |
| troy_s | That said, Apple has a very educated design staff | 06:48 |
| troy_s | And that is why it is successful | 06:48 |
| troy_s | They all discuss things on an artistic / design level -- they brainstorm -- etc. They don't just push pixels and hope it fits in. | 06:48 |
| troy_s | They look at the whole package -- how will the elements fit in against the design attributes of the casings, etc. | 06:48 |
| troy_s | How does the interface actually 'work' with their target audience? | 06:49 |
| nysosym | yes ok, sry i'm aren't so good in english and read your lines inquiring, but very slow... | 06:49 |
| troy_s | Lol. | 06:49 |
| troy_s | Your english is darn good compared to my ability to speak in another language... | 06:49 |
| nysosym | thx, but slow ^^ | 06:49 |
| troy_s | The best analogy I can communicate is something similar to say, the jackd audio central server -- anyone who writes audio applications integrates with it. | 06:50 |
| troy_s | In design, there is no such need. | 06:50 |
| troy_s | Rather, there is the _need_ but no such deft application of execution. | 06:50 |
| troy_s | You have a percentage of people who want Ubuntu to be either "GNOMEish" or "KDEish" (whatever that is -- it isn't like there is an underlying style to either) | 06:51 |
| troy_s | Then you have a percentage who just do their own thing | 06:51 |
| troy_s | Etc. | 06:51 |
| troy_s | In the end however, none of the approaches even attempts to reconcile with something as simple as a communication keyword, a designated audience, etc. | 06:51 |
| troy_s | Hence -- the byproduct you see now. | 06:51 |
| troy_s | And it isn't like it has gotten better from Warty | 06:52 |
| troy_s | It, in fact, has done nothing more than swirl around in an eddy. | 06:52 |
| troy_s | Factor in politicking, and you have a rather nightmarish situation. | 06:53 |
| nysosym | sure sure, but what i mean, have a look on many little programs write by hobby devs on osx, like a cpu rating program or similar. These program looks perfect, and simple i don't think that these devs have a look on any guideline. What i think is, that the apple tools to create a gui for an application is a lot better as the linux pendants | 06:53 |
| troy_s | Uh | 06:53 |
| troy_s | You are mistaken | 06:54 |
| troy_s | Have you seen the design guidelines for XP, Vista, or OSX? | 06:54 |
| troy_s | They are hundreds of pages. | 06:54 |
| troy_s | http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGIntro/chapter_1_section_1.html | 06:54 |
| troy_s | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa511258.aspx | 06:54 |
| troy_s | preliminary documents on vista are 20 megs | 06:55 |
| troy_s | This is _SUCH_ a common practice | 06:55 |
| nysosym | troy_s: ok, but why use a hobby osx dev these guideline and linux devs aren't? | 06:55 |
| troy_s | in art / design / creative fields... for example, in television, you build a design 'bible' before you shoot a single episode. | 06:55 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Probably the simple fact that there simply aren't enough educated folks in the crowd. | 06:55 |
| troy_s | in a feature film scenario, you write treatments and build a bible | 06:56 |
| troy_s | in _any_ creative endeavour of a larger capacity, you spend MUCH time evaluating, brainstorming, and most importantly -- RECORDING the thought process and the results. | 06:56 |
| nysosym | troy_s: yes, i will work in the graphic business and i will design guis for programs and have many ideas, but i can produce these ideas, because i can't write any line of code. | 06:56 |
| troy_s | I wish I could show you the pre-visualization work I have seen on feature film sets... the art directors often draft THOUSANDS of sketches to develop one simple 1.5 hour movie. | 06:57 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Integration is the other factor -- apple and ms know and appreciate what the creative design means to the bottom line | 06:58 |
| troy_s | it means bigger dollars | 06:58 |
| troy_s | more market share | 06:58 |
| troy_s | etc. | 06:58 |
| nysosym | i would help any developer without skills to make a beautiful program with a nice usability. But the most devs don't ask me, for any reason ^^ | 06:58 |
| troy_s | beauty is relative, but I can appreciate your point. | 06:58 |
| troy_s | that is the thing... the best companies that produce the most compelling design have COLLABORATION at their core | 06:58 |
| troy_s | everyone is communicating in the same 'idea sphere' and everyone respects each person's vital role in the output | 06:59 |
| troy_s | segmentation doesn't produce this. | 06:59 |
| troy_s | Vista packaging for example, is pretty top notch -- but notice how well it integrates with the other aspects | 06:59 |
| nysosym | that's a big handicap of FOSS | 06:59 |
| troy_s | Handicap? That doesn't do the people with handicaps justice. | 07:00 |
| troy_s | It is a crippling and degenerative disease. | 07:00 |
| troy_s | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa511258.aspx | 07:00 |
| troy_s | take a look at that page | 07:00 |
| troy_s | despite the rather 'suspicious' theory | 07:01 |
| troy_s | it is well documented | 07:01 |
| troy_s | http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aa511258.aspx | 07:02 |
| troy_s | its a no brainer | 07:02 |
| nysosym | Hmm wee need a similar document, for devs who would use a guideline for user experience :) | 07:02 |
| troy_s | that would take getting everyone on the 'same page' | 07:02 |
| troy_s | which is completely difficult in terms of execution with the current established process. | 07:03 |
| troy_s | I fear that this probably will NOT happen | 07:03 |
| troy_s | until a community team demonstrates the power of the process. | 07:03 |
| nysosym | sure, damn, i must go to work no. Nice to meet u , thx for conversation and hope to see u soon here | 07:03 |
| nysosym | :) | 07:03 |
| troy_s | Chat soon nysosym | 07:03 |
| troy_s | take care. | 07:03 |
| nysosym | have a nice day ;) | 07:04 |
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| lizardking_ | gulp, how much long did you chat? | 07:13 |
| lizardking_ | ;) | 07:13 |
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| Tessa | does someone know a channel where i can ask graphic-related questions which came up in the use of ubuntu dapper? this certainly aint the right place for such things is it? | 09:36 |
| Tessa | its about mass editing via commandline | 09:37 |
| troy_s | yes | 09:37 |
| Tessa | which channel would this be? | 09:37 |
| troy_s | Tessa: probably this one | 09:37 |
| troy_s | not that we can do anything | 09:37 |
| troy_s | nor that anyone in a position to implement changes would listen | 09:37 |
| Tessa | good. ;) | 09:38 |
| troy_s | that said, we might be able to forward your thoughts to the proper people | 09:38 |
| Tessa | do you know a way to desaturate a bunch of files recursively thorught a structure of folders with one command? something like batch-desaturating? | 09:38 |
| troy_s | Of course | 09:39 |
| Tessa | how could this be done? | 09:39 |
| troy_s | In fact, in doing so you will perhaps learn one of the most powerful image processing tools available anywhere... | 09:39 |
| troy_s | Unfortunately, there are no gui's for it | 09:39 |
| troy_s | www.imagemagick.org | 09:39 |
| Tessa | let me guess: image magik? | 09:39 |
| troy_s | (well there are but they stink) | 09:39 |
| Tessa | ah i ve heard about it | 09:39 |
| troy_s | of course | 09:39 |
| troy_s | ;) | 09:40 |
| troy_s | imagemagick can do image manipulation on a scale that would shock photoshop | 09:40 |
| troy_s | better algorithms | 09:40 |
| troy_s | better speed and cross architecture | 09:40 |
| troy_s | i strongly recommend it. | 09:40 |
| troy_s | couple it with a bit of simple bash scripting and you have quite a powerhouse. | 09:40 |
| Tessa | so i guess batch-desaturating is one of the easy-as-pie features if one knows how to do it with imagemagick? | 09:41 |
| troy_s | Actually | 09:41 |
| troy_s | Imagemagick is one of the few projects that seems to put a heavy stress on documentation | 09:42 |
| troy_s | If you are comfy with the command line | 09:42 |
| troy_s | You should be able to execute image wizardry in a few mere moments. | 09:42 |
| Tessa | As far as i can judge from what i see at the page it seems to be kind of a programming language to me newbie ;) | 09:42 |
| troy_s | Well perhaps I could step you through it? | 09:42 |
| Tessa | I didnt dare to ask but now that you offer it i cant say no ;) | 09:43 |
| Tessa | let me first install it | 09:43 |
| troy_s | The syntax is always the same "imagemagickproggie_you_want" inputfile outputfile | 09:43 |
| troy_s | sudo apt-get install imagemagick | 09:43 |
| Tessa | thats sounds pretty easy so far | 09:44 |
| Tessa | i guess the trouble starts whith the recursive processing of the folder structure | 09:44 |
| Tessa | ok installed | 09:44 |
| troy_s | yes... | 09:44 |
| troy_s | the good news is that imagemagick handles wildcards very well | 09:45 |
| troy_s | so you won't need to script | 09:45 |
| troy_s | although for recursion, i suspect you will need to. | 09:45 |
| Tessa | great i ve never been a script person yet | 09:45 |
| Tessa | what would be the best way to start then? | 09:47 |
| Tessa | create an empty document? | 09:47 |
| troy_s | well first learn how | 09:47 |
| troy_s | to achieve what you want on the command line | 09:47 |
| troy_s | iwth imagemagick | 09:47 |
| troy_s | as the order of your modifiers will affect your output | 09:47 |
| troy_s | so you don't want to dive right into scripting just yet. | 09:47 |
| Tessa | thats true | 09:48 |
| troy_s | so first try to execute a desaturate on a directory | 09:48 |
| troy_s | using a wildcard scenario | 09:48 |
| troy_s | note that when you select this link (command line tools): http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-tools.php | 09:48 |
| Tessa | something like convert colors <options> *.png *.png? | 09:49 |
| troy_s | you will see there is no 'imagemagick' program | 09:49 |
| troy_s | it is actually subdivided into several different tools | 09:49 |
| troy_s | learn what each one does | 09:49 |
| troy_s | before you learn more | 09:49 |
| troy_s | not so much what each program CAN do, but rather loosely what it can do | 09:49 |
| troy_s | and yes, you are already there... | 09:49 |
| troy_s | the tool we want is convert | 09:49 |
| troy_s | http://www.imagemagick.org/script/convert.php | 09:49 |
| troy_s | -modulate value vary the brightness, saturation, and hue | 09:50 |
| troy_s | the ONLY issue with the docs is that they will often reference other areas of the docs, as they will only explain things in one area | 09:50 |
| troy_s | and they aren't cross linked at parts... | 09:50 |
| troy_s | so for example, geometry will only be explained in one place. | 09:51 |
| troy_s | in order | 09:51 |
| Tessa | read and reread and crosslink is the way to go then. | 09:51 |
| Tessa | *crossread | 09:51 |
| troy_s | convert -modulate <BRIGHTNESS>,<SATURATION>,<HUE> | 09:51 |
| troy_s | so | 09:51 |
| troy_s | say we had 2000 pngs in a dir | 09:51 |
| troy_s | we simply type | 09:52 |
| troy_s | convert -modulate 0,80,0 *.png | 09:52 |
| troy_s | erk | 09:52 |
| troy_s | convert -modulate 0,80,0 *.png output.png | 09:52 |
| troy_s | and that will create numbered outputs | 09:52 |
| troy_s | with 0 change in BRIGHT | 09:52 |
| troy_s | 80% original sat (-20%) | 09:52 |
| troy_s | and 0 change in HUE | 09:52 |
| troy_s | follow me? | 09:52 |
| troy_s | also | 09:53 |
| troy_s | i believe that hte order might affect it in this case... | 09:53 |
| troy_s | it might be | 09:53 |
| Tessa | lets say i'd like to keep the original filenames and dont want to have copies. i would use mogrify instead of convert right? | 09:53 |
| troy_s | convert *.png -modulate 0,80,0 output.png | 09:53 |
| troy_s | mogrify will do that yes. | 09:53 |
| troy_s | this will be a breeze for you... it appears you have already gotten the idea. | 09:53 |
| Tessa | so far it sounds pretty good. | 09:54 |
| troy_s | i wouldn't advise mogrifying until you are certain you have what you want. | 09:54 |
| troy_s | pretty good is an understatement... | 09:54 |
| Tessa | i would copy the whole folder before mogrifying | 09:54 |
| troy_s | you need to see exactly what it can do to appreciate it... | 09:54 |
| troy_s | sure | 09:54 |
| troy_s | or just convert with output | 09:54 |
| troy_s | and destination | 09:54 |
| troy_s | probably faster | 09:54 |
| troy_s | also | 09:54 |
| Tessa | i think i have a slight hint of an impression and really i am amazed already | 09:54 |
| troy_s | you will want to know perhaps the most valuable command parameter: | 09:54 |
| troy_s | -monitor! | 09:54 |
| troy_s | as in convert -monitor blah blah blah | 09:54 |
| Tessa | what does it do? | 09:55 |
| troy_s | this will spew output so that you can rest assured that imagemagick isn't just sitting there. | 09:55 |
| troy_s | some processes take a long time | 09:55 |
| Tessa | ok. | 09:55 |
| troy_s | and monitor offers a rather verbose description of what is going on. | 09:55 |
| troy_s | as you can see, it has nothing to do with your monitor | 09:55 |
| Tessa | ;) | 09:55 |
| Tessa | let me have a quick try on what you teached me already | 09:55 |
| troy_s | you also might want to try your passes on a few sample files first | 09:57 |
| troy_s | just to make sure you get the values proper | 09:57 |
| troy_s | before you batch -- but i assume that is an obvious step | 09:57 |
| Tessa | yep it is | 09:58 |
| Tessa | i just grabbed some testing files and i am trying now to mogrify | 09:58 |
| Tessa | ok it worked. not what i wanted it to look like but it worked | 09:59 |
| troy_s | http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#sigmoidal | 09:59 |
| troy_s | yes... so you might want to figure out exactly what you want | 10:00 |
| troy_s | imagemagick has about a gazillion different algs for all sorts of things | 10:00 |
| troy_s | then you multiply that by the fact that you can do channel based changes etc | 10:00 |
| troy_s | and you get about a ga ga gazillion different options | 10:00 |
| Tessa | truely amazing. | 10:00 |
| troy_s | http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#channel | 10:01 |
| troy_s | that is handy | 10:01 |
| troy_s | it really is the end all in terms of functionality | 10:02 |
| Tessa | i just realized that i actually have only 8 folders filled with pngs. so i think we can save the scripting part for another time. it will take some time to figure out how i get what i want | 10:02 |
| troy_s | but it takes a bit of learning as it simply can do so much | 10:02 |
| troy_s | yes... | 10:02 |
| troy_s | there are a few very clunky guis out there | 10:02 |
| troy_s | that might get you close to what you want | 10:02 |
| troy_s | then you can figure out the smaller details by reading the docs on a particular pass. | 10:02 |
| troy_s | if i might ask, what are you trying to do exactly? | 10:02 |
| Tessa | i ll go the try & error lane first and when i am too desperate i might have a look at these guis | 10:03 |
| troy_s | Tessa? | 10:03 |
| troy_s | Can you post a quick sample to imagebin? | 10:03 |
| Tessa | I am having an icon theme here which i want to desat completely | 10:03 |
| troy_s | and try to describe what you want? | 10:03 |
| troy_s | Erm... as in turn it greyscale? | 10:03 |
| troy_s | Or just nerf the saturation slightly? | 10:04 |
| Tessa | so i have 800 pngs and as easy and maybe silly as it sounds i want them b/w | 10:04 |
| troy_s | Then try a greyscale | 10:04 |
| troy_s | or monochrome | 10:04 |
| troy_s | you are basically looking at greyscaling with imagemagick | 10:04 |
| Tessa | changing the image mode from rgb to greyscale? | 10:04 |
| troy_s | hold on... :) | 10:04 |
| troy_s | http://www.imagemagick.org/script/command-line-options.php#colorspace | 10:06 |
| troy_s | ;) | 10:06 |
| troy_s | there you go | 10:06 |
| Tessa | yay that looks good | 10:06 |
| troy_s | Choices are: CMYK, GRAY, HSL, HWB, OHTA, Rec601Luma, Rec709Luma, RGB, Transparent, XYZ, YCbCr, YIQ, YPbPr, or YUV. | 10:06 |
| troy_s | and yes, you can finely tune it if you want more control | 10:06 |
| troy_s | in particular, you could try -separate | 10:06 |
| troy_s | separate an image channel into a grayscale image. Specify the channel with -channel. | 10:06 |
| troy_s | again, the real power is the versatility of combining the functionality | 10:07 |
| troy_s | it is _damn_ powerful. | 10:07 |
| troy_s | and it can handle svg too... although YMMV with inkscape output. | 10:07 |
| Tessa | yes and it feels like starting to learn calculating from scratch ;) but i guess once one is used to it and know what can be done how its magic | 10:07 |
| troy_s | well i have a general rule | 10:08 |
| troy_s | i just 'accept' that imagemagick can do what i want it to | 10:08 |
| troy_s | the rest is figuring out how | 10:08 |
| troy_s | although, again, the docs are pretty solid. | 10:08 |
| troy_s | there are nuances you will find like 'montage -tile 4' etc. | 10:08 |
| Tessa | thank you troy for giving a newbie a lesson like this and a really worthful insight in what is possible with this tool! | 10:08 |
| troy_s | montage is a great tool too if you are doing batches | 10:09 |
| troy_s | you might want to try something like: | 10:09 |
| troy_s | montage -monitor -geometry 200 -label %f -frame 2 files.png | 10:09 |
| troy_s | or smaller if you are dealing with icons for example | 10:10 |
| troy_s | say you are iconing them at perhaps 48x48 | 10:10 |
| troy_s | then try | 10:10 |
| Tessa | what will this do? | 10:10 |
| troy_s | montage -monitor -geometry 48 -tile 20 -label %f -frame 2 files.png | 10:10 |
| troy_s | try it :) | 10:10 |
| troy_s | very handy | 10:10 |
| troy_s | in fact, i dare say that you will use it all the time on batches... | 10:10 |
| troy_s | it creates a contact sheet | 10:10 |
| troy_s | of your work | 10:10 |
| troy_s | all to the same sizes | 10:11 |
| troy_s | if you specify half of the geometry ( -geometry <WIDTH>x<HEIGHT> ) | 10:11 |
| Tessa | wow. let me have a try | 10:11 |
| troy_s | if you do a -geometry 20, it will always maintain aspect ratio to 20 wide | 10:11 |
| troy_s | if you do 20x30 it will stretch | 10:11 |
| troy_s | -tile controls the number of tiles you want in your montage | 10:12 |
| troy_s | so -tile 5 indicates you want FIVE mini thumbs across | 10:12 |
| troy_s | by whatever long | 10:12 |
| troy_s | you can also omit it and it will generate a rectangular overall shape of hundreds of montage elements. | 10:12 |
| troy_s | -frame gives it a border | 10:12 |
| troy_s | -label lets you put in a filename under each image in the contact sheet | 10:13 |
| Tessa | hmm, its not giving me an output file. does it create the output file automatically ot do i have to specify one? | 10:13 |
| troy_s | %f is an escape sequence indicating 'filename' | 10:13 |
| troy_s | oops | 10:13 |
| troy_s | no output :) | 10:13 |
| troy_s | montage -monitor -geometry 48 -tile 20 -label %f -frame 2 files.png contacsheet.png | 10:13 |
| troy_s | that's better | 10:13 |
| troy_s | sorry... | 10:13 |
| Tessa | dont worry. it still wont. maybe if i put the soecified files right after montage? | 10:14 |
| troy_s | no you shouldn't need to | 10:14 |
| troy_s | my syntax is probably botched somewhere... are they pngs? | 10:15 |
| Tessa | yes | 10:15 |
| Tessa | its resizing, mogrifying and tiling and montaging each to 100% | 10:15 |
| troy_s | montage -monitor -geometry 48 -tile 20 -label %f -frame 2 *.png contactsheet.png | 10:15 |
| troy_s | yes the geometry handles the size | 10:15 |
| troy_s | what size are the sources? | 10:16 |
| troy_s | 48x48? | 10:16 |
| troy_s | icons? | 10:16 |
| Tessa | 128 | 10:16 |
| Tessa | too large? | 10:16 |
| troy_s | so geometry will pull it down to 48 | 10:16 |
| Tessa | it seems it should work fine then, no? | 10:16 |
| troy_s | montage -monitor -geometry 48 -tile 20 -label %f -frame 2 *.png contactsheet.png | 10:16 |
| troy_s | that SHOULD | 10:17 |
| troy_s | is that what you are using? | 10:17 |
| Tessa | montage -monitor -geometry 48 -tile 20 -label %f -frame 2 *.png contactsheet.png | 10:17 |
| troy_s | try getting rid of the clutter for now... | 10:17 |
| troy_s | try | 10:17 |
| Tessa | exactly the same | 10:17 |
| troy_s | montage -monitor -geometry 48 *.png contactsheet.png | 10:17 |
| troy_s | and see if that works | 10:17 |
| troy_s | erk by the way | 10:18 |
| troy_s | once you create a contact sheet in png format | 10:18 |
| troy_s | be careful | 10:18 |
| troy_s | because subsequent montages that grab *.png will montage the contact sheet into the mix | 10:18 |
| troy_s | ;) | 10:18 |
| Tessa | hmm. still no output file. | 10:18 |
| darkmatter | good afternoon to all | 10:19 |
| Tessa | good evening from germany | 10:19 |
| troy_s | greets darkmatter | 10:19 |
| darkmatter | hiya troy_s Tessa | 10:19 |
| troy_s | Tessa: you are inside the dir with the pngs in question correct? | 10:19 |
| Tessa | right | 10:19 |
| Tessa | i checked that 3 times | 10:19 |
| troy_s | and monitor is showing output? | 10:19 |
| troy_s | as in grabbing the files and scaling them etc? | 10:20 |
| Tessa | yes | 10:20 |
| troy_s | and when it poops you back out to the command line | 10:20 |
| troy_s | did you try typing | 10:20 |
| troy_s | display contactsheet.png | 10:20 |
| troy_s | display is a handy little cmd line xviewer proggie that comes with imagemagick. | 10:20 |
| Tessa | troy_s: alright you got me | 10:20 |
| Tessa | there it is | 10:21 |
| troy_s | did i lose you? | 10:21 |
| troy_s | ahh... :) | 10:21 |
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| Tessa | no i lost myself ;) | 10:21 |
| troy_s | it is always the devil in the tiny details. | 10:21 |
| troy_s | greets msikma | 10:21 |
| Tessa | anyway troy_s thank you really a lot for this lesson! | 10:21 |
| troy_s | what i will tend to do if i am batching is make sure that the output contact sheet gets jettisonned | 10:21 |
| troy_s | to a sep dir | 10:21 |
| troy_s | so that you don't end up embedding the contact sheets into the image by accident. | 10:21 |
| troy_s | Tessa: No problem. Just spread the word about imagemagick. | 10:22 |
| troy_s | If you are a photographer, the tools are indispensable. | 10:22 |
| Tessa | troy_s: i sure will do! its a great tool even though i ve seen just the surface (maybe not even that) yet | 10:22 |
| troy_s | Yep | 10:22 |
| troy_s | Believe me, you will learn ways of wrapping the params up to get all sorts of power. | 10:22 |
| Tessa | a lot to learn untill this day i guess, but judging from what ive seen so far it is sure worth the time. | 10:23 |
| Tessa | thanks troy_s and have a nice rest of the day | 10:23 |
| troy_s | No problem. | 10:24 |
| Tessa | good night everyone | 10:24 |
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