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[12:11] <jwendell> seb128, around?
[12:11] <seb128> hum
[12:11] <seb128> for a min
[12:11] <seb128> and then going to bed
[12:11] <jwendell> :)
[12:11] <seb128> you have time for a quick question ;)
[12:11] <gnomefreak> seb128: was the gksu issue not launching menu items dbus?
[12:11] <jwendell> seb128, about bug 64064, i guess it should not be rejected
[12:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64064 in gnome-panel ""Run Application" dialog does not run applications in ~/bin" [Low,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/64064
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[12:12] <seb128> why?
[12:12] <seb128> I was just looking at it
[12:12] <jwendell> seb128, there is an upstream bug opened
[12:12] <seb128> that looks like a request to change the default path to pam maybe
[12:12] <seb128> well, doesn't mean the upstream bug will not be rejected
[12:12] <seb128> that's not really a bug
[12:12] <jwendell> seb128, gnome-panel should recognize user $PATH, not system one
[12:13] <seb128> any user app then
[12:13] <seb128> why only gnome-panel?
[12:13] <seb128> and not nautilus or xfce-panel
[12:13] <seb128> or konqueror
[12:13] <seb128> or or or or
[12:13] <seb128> there is a PATH= for a reason
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[12:14] <seb128> if listing the user dir is a good idea the PATH would probably be the right place no?
[12:14] <jwendell> seb128, an ordinary user has to change /etc/profile in order to have things working?
[12:15] <seb128> no
[12:15] <seb128> an ordinary user doesn't install apps under ~/bin
[12:15] <jwendell> he does
[12:15] <seb128> or he knows what he's doing and he's able to edit the path
[12:15] <seb128> depends of what you call user
[12:16] <seb128> if you are computer friendly enough to install something to ~/bin you can probably edit .gnomerc to modify your path
[12:16] <jwendell> seb128, look, programs are supposed to be better each version. If a program can be the dirty job for an 'advanced' user, why not?
[12:17] <jwendell> s/can be/can do/
[12:17] <seb128> gnome-panel is not the place to workaround that
[12:17] <seb128> why patching every app that needs that rather than changing the path?
[12:17] <coNP> jwendell, seb128 does this mean that gnome-panel lacks PATH support?
[12:17] <welshbyte> ooh thanks for that .gnomerc tip
[12:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82377 in mozilla-thunderbird (main) "Thunderbird crashes during mozilla import" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82377
[12:18] <seb128> coNP: no, that means the xorg environment has no ~/bin to PATH
[12:18] <coNP> actually there is no ~/bin installed I think
[12:18] <coNP> I mean no bin in /etc/skel
[12:18] <jwendell> there are many things i don't understand on gnome... we just want to improve things...
[12:19] <jwendell> seb128, nevermind...
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[12:19] <jwendell> forget it..
[12:19] <coNP> I'm only asking to understand the situation better
[12:19] <seb128> jwendell: I'm all for making things work better
[12:20] <seb128> we just have to figure the right place to fix that one
[12:20] <seb128> and I'm not convinced that's gnome-panel
[12:20] <pochu> seb128: do you know if ubuntu use utf-8 for the filenames?
[12:20] <seb128> pochu: it does since breezy
[12:20] <pochu> seb128: for all languages?
[12:21] <seb128> it should, why?
[12:21] <seb128> jwendell: alt-F2 and "zenity --info --text=$(echo $PATH)"
[12:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82378 in control-center (main) "network-admin creates /etc/ppp/peers/ppp0 without noauth" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82378
[12:22] <pochu> seb128: because I think amule is naming the files as iso, instead of utf-8
[12:22] <seb128> amule needs to be fixed then ;)
[12:22] <seb128> jwendell: what does that print for you?
[12:22] <pochu> I'm talking to amule devs to see the problem :)
[12:22] <jwendell> seb128, my system PATH, not my one
[12:22] <seb128> jwendell: ok, why means the environment path doesn't list your user dir
[12:23] <seb128> that's not gnome-panel which doesn't respect the PATH
[12:23] <jwendell> seb128, who is?
[12:24] <seb128> good question
[12:25] <seb128> jwendell: not sure, I'll speak with Mithrandir about it tomorrow
[12:26] <seb128> ask him why pam doesn't list it to the standard PATH
[12:26] <jwendell> seb128, i mean: why not let the bug open, or assign it to another package, instead of closing it?
[12:26] <seb128> making gnome-panel look at random dir not listed by PATH doesn't look correct
[12:26] <jwendell> seb128, thanks, do it
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[12:27] <seb128> because we get a zillion of desktop bugs a day
[12:27] <seb128> and we don't cope
[12:27] <jwendell> seb128, and keep us informed :)
[12:27] <seb128> that's not a gnome-panel bug, I closed the panel task
[12:27] <coNP> ping sfllaw
[12:28] <jwendell> seb128, ok, i understood the question. When you have the answer, please, comment there
[12:28] <seb128> ok
[12:28] <seb128> jwendell: feel free to reopen the first bug and mark it forward it you want
[12:29] <jwendell> seb128, thanks and good night (go to bed!!)
[12:29] <seb128> np
[12:29] <jwendell> :)
[12:29] <seb128> thank you for the bug work ;)
[12:29] <seb128> 'night everybody
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[12:30] <jwendell> seb128, good morning!
[12:30] <jwendell> seb128, you're fast!
[12:30] <seb128> not quite yet :p
[12:30] <seb128> just restart to look quickly at something, I'll be away again in a min
[12:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82380 in control-center (main) "network-admin resets to pulses for the modem connection" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82380
[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82381 in control-center (main) "network-admin generates chat script with invalid modem init string" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82381
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[12:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82382 in Ubuntu "Adaptec SAS adp94xx not in initrd" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82382
[12:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82368 in Ubuntu "Usb keyboard doesn't work at log on" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82368
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[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82384 in ubiquity (main) "ubuntu latest download  ver. installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82384
[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82385 in ubuntu-meta (main) "live cd - fails to install when memory low" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82385
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[01:09] <pochu> bug 82381
[01:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82381 in gnome-system-tools "network-admin generates chat script with invalid modem init string" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82381
[01:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82386 in Ubuntu "installation cannot be initialized" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82386
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[02:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82390 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when bookmark is added to the toolbar" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82390
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82392 in Ubuntu "gb.archive.ubuntu.com server is down 00:57 GMT 31 Jan 2007" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82392
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[02:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82393 in devscripts (main) "Fix version increment for versions ending in ~prop(osed)?1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82393
[02:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82395 in beryl-settings (universe) "[apport]  beryl-settings crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82395
[02:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82394 in lftp (main) "segfault at FileAccess::Path::Set() 0x0808fdeb when I go to http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82394
[02:34] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82301 in gnochm (universe) "gnochm does not show table of contents and images" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82301
[02:34] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82373 in control-center (main) "segfault in gnome-keyboard-properties" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82373
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[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82399 in network-manager (main) "Dependency Problem with Package" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82399
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82400 in prboom (universe) "please sync prboom (2:2.4.6+dfsg-1) from unstable/main to universe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82400
[02:50] <bddebian> Heya
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82401 in geoip (main) "Please sync geoip (main) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82401
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82402 in geoip (main) "Please sync geoip (main) from unstable (main) (dup-of: 82401)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82402
[02:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82397 in nautilus (main) "Use a more sensible message for "unknown" in permission tab." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82397
[02:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82398 in gnome-desktop (main) "All Gnome-Gtk apps crash - segmentation fault" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82398
[03:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82403 in gaim (main) ""Unable to play sound because the chosen file (/usr/share/sounds/email.wav) does not exist." at startup" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82403
[03:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82405 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82405
[03:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82404 in gcc-4.1 (main) "g++: infinite loop with -O3 while compiling Boost.Quickbook from Boost CVS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82404
[03:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82406 in banshee (universe) "[apport]  banshee crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82406
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[03:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82331 in ubiquity (main) "Ubuntu Ultimate Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82331
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[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82408 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu 6.06.1 installer crashed AGAIN (Vectra Pent III)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82408
[04:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82407 in Ubuntu "Can anybody delete my launchpad account?" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82407
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[04:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82409 in gnome-games (main) "[apport]  glchess crashed with TypeError in addGame()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82409
[05:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82410 in beagle (main) "beagle crashed on reboot" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82410
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82391 in rosetta "Denemo name in menu Spanish (dup-of: 82354)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82391
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[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82411 in firefox (main) "[apport]  firefox-bin crashed with SIGSEGV in raise()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82411
[06:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82412 in texlive-bin (universe) "texlive-base-bin fails to install due to fmtutil-sys error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82412
[06:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82413 in ubiquity (main) "ubuntu ultimate Installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82413
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[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82414 in libmtp (main) "MTP-Detect crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82414
[06:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82415 in update-manager (main) "[apport]  update-manager crashed with ImportError in <module>()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82415
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[06:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82416 in fpc (universe) "Please sync fpc (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82416
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[07:44] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82417 in nvu (universe) "When resizing a certain table column's width, nvu segfaults at 0xb667b099 in NSGetModule" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82417
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[08:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82418 in freetennis (universe) "Please sync freetennis (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82418
[08:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82419 in gspca (universe) "[Sync Request] Request sync of gspca-01.00.12-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82419
[08:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82420 in xcdroast (universe) "[Sync Request] Request sync of xcdroast-0.98+0alpha15-11.1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82420
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[08:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82421 in mailody (universe) "Please sync mailody (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82421
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[08:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82422 in eclipse (universe) "Eclispe installs but does not upgrade nor allows installing of PDT!!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82422
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[09:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82424 in nautilus (main) "nautilus uses 99% of cpu and responds very slowly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82424
[09:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82423 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "kacpid constantly using 80-95% CPU on pentium D dual core " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82423
[09:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82425 in ubiquity (main) "Installer Crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82425
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[09:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82426 in ekiga (main) "[apport]  ekiga crashed with SIGSEGV in PHostByName::GetHost()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82426
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[09:36] <Setomidor> awfully quiet isn't it? :)
[09:37] <Hobbsee> very :)
[09:37] <Hobbsee> must be no bugs ;)
[09:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82427 in Ubuntu "Edubuntu LTSP Client displays taskbar in wrong language" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82427
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[09:38] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82428 in adept (main) "adept details view usability" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82428
[09:39] <Setomidor> I suppose the americans are still sleeping... and so are the europeans because hey, who goes up at 7 am if you can avoid it? :)
[09:39] <coNP> hey
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[09:40] <coNP> Setomidor: it's 9 am, but the same applies :)
[09:40] <Setomidor> Depends on your timezone :)
[09:40] <coNP> okay, most Europeans have CET
[09:40] <coNP> but sure :)
[09:40] <Setomidor> ;)
[09:41] <coNP> Setomidor: are you from Europe, as well?
[09:41] <Setomidor> I am... the cold north. And yes, I'm on CET aswell... but I still had to get up at 7 am in order to get started on my thesis :\
[09:42] <coNP> Setomidor: what thesis are you writing?
[09:43] <Setomidor> Computing Science master thesis, about Java / Bluetooth
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[09:43] <Setomidor> Pretty interesting actually... but writing is never fun :) I'd much rather just work on the code
[09:43] <coNP> no JavaBluetooth, actually
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[09:45] <Hobbsee> er, australian
[09:45] <Setomidor> I got a real good start this morning... booted my system and got "file system check failed, correct manually".. I'm a linux retard (only two weeks in), but managed to figure out that I severly broke the fstab file yesterday
[09:46] <Setomidor> Hobbsee: it's afternoon down there?
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[09:46] <coNP> and a warm January, I guess :)
[09:46] <TheMuso> Evening actually.
[09:46] <TheMuso> Yep, in the full throws of summer.
[09:47] <Setomidor> varm January... thats a sentence you don't see very often
[09:47] <davmor2> Hi guys where do I write a spec for wesnoth-all?
[09:47] <TheMuso> Cold January is not something we see very often either.
[09:47] <Setomidor> it was -34 around here some days ago
[09:47] <coNP> davmor2: cool, have you seen my comment?
[09:47] <Hobbsee> Setomidor: evening
[09:47] <davmor2> if your Aron then yes
[09:48] <coNP> davmor2: select blueprints in launchpad
[09:48] <coNP> davmor2: sure, I am :)
[09:48] <davmor2> it'll give you the campainges aswell that way
[09:49] <Setomidor> Gonna try recreating a bug, brb
[09:49] <coNP> davmor2: I guess we should create this all metapackage, and put it into gnome-app-install
[09:49] <coNP> I guess most people using GUI installer want a game with music, sounds and campaigns
[09:50] <coNP> actually it is quite annoying to install a game and have nothing to play with
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[09:50] <coNP> moin dholbach
[09:51] <dholbach> good morning
[09:51] <dholbach> hey conp
[09:51] <davmor2> I think the thing is everybody seems to concentrate on synaptic/apt-get but if you completely new to linux your going to see add app first so that's where you'll go.  So I think more of these metapackage will be needed for gnome-app-install.
[09:51] <coNP> davmor2: sure, I think the same
[09:52] <coNP> do you want to file about this a spec now?
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[09:53] <davmor2> Yes I'm going to jot down a rough spec then look at how you write it now I know where :)
[09:53] <coNP> davmor2: actually most part of the spec should be on the wiki
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[09:53] <dholbach> did anybody try the newest commits to ~bugsquad/bughelper/bughelper.main already?
[09:55] <Setomidor> I suppose noone from sdhci-devel is around? :P
[09:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82429 in totem (main) "Crash on opening embedded video in firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82429
[10:14] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82430 in xchat (universe) "Crash on opening synaptic" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82430
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[10:19] <seb128> today I'll take that desktop bug backlog under 200!
[10:20] <coNP> cool
[10:20] <Setomidor> go get them tiger!
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[10:21] <Hobbsee> seb128: yay!  that includes kde and xfce, you know!
[10:21] <seb128> Hobbsee: no that doesn't
[10:21] <seb128> I'm speaking "desktop-bugs" team list
[10:21] <Hobbsee> awwww
[10:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82431 in adept (main) "supported column disappears when package expanded" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82431
[10:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82434 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[rage]  Striped corner and mode switch failure" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82434
[10:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82433 in gnonlin (universe) "Please sync gnonlin 0.10.7-1 from debian/experimental (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82433
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[10:33] <seb128> dholbach: -T option doesn't work
[10:34] <dholbach> does for me :)
[10:34] <dholbach> what is the use case?
[10:34] <seb128> ./bughelper -T totem do_lookup_x do_lookup_x -A -p totem
[10:34] <seb128> doesn't find https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/totem/+bug/82429
[10:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82429 in totem "Crash on opening embedded video in firefox" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[10:34] <seb128> it should find that one and probably some other bugs with it
[10:35] <dholbach> i'll try
[10:35] <seb128> hum
[10:35] <seb128> no it should not list that one
[10:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82436 in gnome-app-install (main) "can we have a westnoth-all mtea-package for g-a-i please" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82436
[10:35] <dholbach> ok, can I do anything else?
[10:36] <seb128> let me try again with _dl_rtld_di_serinfo :p
[10:36] <dholbach> on totem?
[10:36] <seb128> dholbach: no, that's fine, thank you ;)
[10:36] <seb128> yeah
[10:36] <seb128> $ ./bughelper -T totem _dl_rtld_di_serinfo _dl_rtld_di_serinfo -A -p totem
[10:36] <dholbach> running
[10:36] <seb128> that one should list the one I mentioned before
[10:36] <seb128> and probably some other dups in the way
[10:36] <seb128> http://launchpad.net/bugs/67235
[10:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67235 in totem "thumbnailer crashes on unfinished avi's or .oggs" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[10:36] <seb128> here we go ;)
[10:37] <seb128> looks like it works fine
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[10:37] <dholbach> YEAH!
[10:37] <seb128> and it's fast with the cache ;)
[10:37] <dholbach> i'm so happy
[10:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82435 in network-manager (main) "Network Manager Applet appears in the Notification Area rather than the Gnome Panel itself" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82435
[10:37] <dholbach> after 2 years of working on ubuntu, I finally prove useful ;-)
[10:38] <seb128> ah ah
[10:39] <dholbach> today i'll work on packaging and making it useful for pitti
[10:39] <claude> hi, I proposed a solution for bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/74138, how can I be sure it will be corrected for Feisty?
[10:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74138 in gksu "String "Starting Administrative application" non translatable" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[10:41] <dholbach> seb128: did it find 3 bugs for you?
[10:41] <davmor2> dholbach:  Totem is still playing up and although the gstreamer backend doesn't play properly it does play
[10:41] <seb128> dholbach: yep
[10:41] <dholbach> seb128: rock
[10:41] <seb128> http://launchpad.net/bugs/67235 - _dl_rtld_di_serinfo
[10:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67235 in totem "thumbnailer crashes on unfinished avi's or .oggs" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[10:41] <seb128> http://launchpad.net/bugs/70885 - _dl_rtld_di_serinfo
[10:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70885 in totem "streaming video does not work (Totem)" [Low,Rejected] 
[10:41] <seb128> http://launchpad.net/bugs/82429 - _dl_rtld_di_serinfo
[10:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82429 in totem "Crash on opening embedded video in firefox (dup-of: 67235)" [Medium,Rejected] 
[10:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67235 in totem "thumbnailer crashes on unfinished avi's or .oggs" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[10:41] <dholbach> neat
[10:41] <seb128> I closed the dups already ;)
[10:42] <dholbach> davmor2: what are you referring to?
[10:42] <davmor2> yesterday where you gave me a script to run to play an .ogg video from lca
[10:43] <dholbach> I don't think that was me
[10:43] <davmor2> sorry thought it was, was it you seb128
[10:43] <dholbach> no problem
[10:44] <seb128> davmor2: gst-launch-0.10 playbin uri=... ?
[10:44] <seb128> does it work?
[10:44] <davmor2> yes
[10:45] <davmor2> It works to a degree but it keeps pausing to cache is there a script to play a file direct as I have it on hd
[10:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82437 in totem (main) "[apport]  totem crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82437
[10:48] <davmor2> seb128: is it file= instead of uri=? or something similar
[10:49] <seb128> uri=file:///path/to/file
[10:49] <davmor2> okay ta I'll try that and let you know
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[10:52] <davmor2> seb128:  that is playing perfectly
[10:52] <seb128> ok, then that's a totem bug
[10:52] <davmor2> so I can only assume it is totem
[10:52] <davmor2> and the moz-plugin
[10:53] <davmor2> nut again that could be totem
[10:54] <seb128> hum
[10:55] <seb128> you describe your problem as "totem stop playing after some seconds" yesterday no?
[10:55] <seb128> and now you say gst-launch on the same file play it fine
[10:55] <seb128> which is weird
[10:55] <seb128> would make a totem bug though
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82438 in devilspie (universe) "Please sync devilspie (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82438
[10:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82439 in Ubuntu "crash in operapluginwrapper" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82439
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[11:00] <davmor2> seb128: Yes basically I noted it after I saw this on the forum http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=348987 at the time I was using gftp to dl the vids of lca.  But the one I had played back previously of Jono's jokosher talk played fine in firefox.  That was only a few days ago when he posted it and there was a totem/gstreamer/moz-plugin update after that so I am guessing that, that is when it broke.
[11:02] <seb128> davmor2: did you have the problem trying to play the video from your browser on from a file stored on your disk?
[11:03] <davmor2> both
[11:04] <davmor2> playing directly in gstreamer with the script you gave me it works, but in totem it dies.
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[11:09] <davmor2> seb128:  could this be linked to the random crashes of totem indexing too do you think?
[11:10] <seb128> I'm not aware of any "random crashes of totem indexing"
[11:10] <seb128> could you open a bug with a backtrace for that?
[11:11] <davmor2> Bug 80414
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80414 in totem "totem crashes without running (dup-of: 80801)" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80414
[11:11] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80801 in totem "totem-gstreamer crash on idle machine" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80801
[11:14] <davmor2> seb128: Is that any use to you?
[11:14] <seb128> not really :/
[11:14] <seb128> a way to trigger the bug would be useful
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82440 in firefox (main) "firefox crashed while downloading/opening pdf file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82440
[11:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82441 in aub (universe) "Please sync aub (universe) from unstable (main)" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82441
[11:16] <davmor2> It's just random that's the problem you switch on your machine go away for a minute with nothing running and you get an error on the screen it's happen about 6-8 times to me.
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[11:21] <seb128> without having totem running?
[11:21] <davmor2> seb128: nothing running at all.  Just your desktop.
[11:22] <seb128> do you have any video on your desktop?
[11:23] <davmor2> seb128: no blank desktop as of install.
[11:23] <seb128> weird weird
[11:23] <seb128> no reason for totem to run
[11:23] <seb128> do you use beagle or tracker?
[11:24] <davmor2> seb128:  this was the exact problem it just goes off.  No I was away from my machine when the error occured no windows open nothing searching.
[11:25] <seb128> no
[11:25] <seb128> do you have beagle or tracker installed
[11:25] <seb128> they do indexing in the background when you are not using the box
[11:25] <davmor2> Yes beagle is install sorry yes.
[11:25] <seb128> ok
[11:26] <seb128> totem is probably call by beagle then
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[11:31] <davmor2> seb128: But the crash is still totem though correct?
[11:31] <seb128> yep
[11:31] <seb128> just trying to figure a way to trigger it
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[11:47] <davmor2> seb128: any joy?
[11:47] <seb128> davmor2: I'm working on some other bugs atm, will have a look on that later
[11:48] <davmor2> seb128: np.
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82442 in fast-user-switch-applet (universe) "Using fast-user-switch-applet with a background image inside the gnome panel" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82442
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[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82444 in Ubuntu "ipw2200 doesn't work in Dell inspiron 6000" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82444
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[12:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82446 in democracyplayer (universe) "[apport]  democracyplayer crashed with TypeError in __new__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82446
[12:25] <dholbach> LOL
[12:26] <dholbach> I have 43153 karma
[12:26] <Hobbsee> dholbach: haha, yeah
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[12:26] <dholbach> seb128 has 94215
[12:26] <Hobbsee> dholbach: yeah, but you're an employee
[12:28] <coNP> I had more almost 90000
[12:29] <coNP> ... the day before yesterday :)
[12:29] <coNP> now only 4296 :)
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[12:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82447 in epiphany-browser (main) "[apport]  epiphany crashed with SIGSEGV in raise()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82447
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[12:34] <Setomidor> I don't know if this qualifies as a bug, but in my interfaces file the standard organization puts eth0 above ath0, which means that ath0 will evaluated after eth0. In my particular case, I had a wired access and the company next door hosted encrypted wireless. This totally messed up my standard dns settings
[12:35] <Setomidor> In the ubunto-should-work-for-any-newbie athmosphere, perhaps the order should be changed to use wired as default?
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[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82448 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "kernel BUG at mm/slab.c:1655!" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82448
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[12:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82449 in Ubuntu "the files is crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82449
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[01:00] <pochu> hey :)
[01:00] <coNP> hey pochu
[01:00] <pochu> hi coNP :)
[01:01] <pochu> coNP: do you know how to create a .diff?
[01:01] <pochu> how to patch with .diff
[01:01] <coNP> sure
[01:01] <coNP> to create a diff or to patch with a diff? :)
[01:01] <pochu> not sure :)
[01:01] <pochu> amule uses diff, but I think the patches are already applied
[01:02] <pochu> just there is a copy of them in /debian/patches
[01:02] <pochu> but I'm not sure
[01:02] <coNP> okay, but do you want to do? :)
[01:02] <pochu> change a file of amule source, and do it well
[01:03] <Hobbsee> pochu: the patches arent already applied, until you build
[01:03] <pochu> Hobbsee: ok, then I have to create a patch and include it in debian/patches, right?
[01:03] <coNP> I think you should change the file, make a diff from the original and modified, and copy this to ~/debian/patches
[01:03] <coNP> no ~/, of course
[01:03] <pochu> I've tried it, but I don't know the exact command
[01:03] <Hobbsee> pochu: yeah
[01:04] <coNP> I guess diff <original> <modified>
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[01:04] <pochu> diff -r -u amule-2.1.3 amule-2.1.3.dist > utf-8-support.diff
[01:04] <Hobbsee> diff -urN
[01:04] <pochu> oh, thanks Hobbsee
[01:04] <pochu> :)
[01:04] <coNP> oh, sorry I forgot the flags
[01:04] <pochu> :)
[01:04] <Hobbsee> pochu: think of -ruN
[01:04] <pochu> np
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[01:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82450 in evolution-exchange (main) "Authentication fails after upgrade to 2.9.6" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82450
[01:05] <pochu> Hobbsee, coNP: I'm not sure the patch sintax is the same as the debian/patches one
[01:05] <Hobbsee> it should be
[01:05] <pochu> maybe they were done with other parameters
[01:06] <TheMuso> pochu: Whats the extension of the files in the debian/patches directory?
[01:06] <pochu> .diff
[01:06] <pochu> of course :)
[01:06] <TheMuso> Is the package built with debhelper
[01:06] <TheMuso> pochu: I ask because there are several different ways of applying patches to a package.
[01:07] <pochu> TheMuso: it build-depends on debhelper, yes
[01:08] <pochu> and in /debian/patches, appart the patches, there is a "patch index" called "series"
[01:08] <TheMuso> pochu, coNP, how bout we take this to #ubuntu-motu?
[01:08] <pochu> TheMuso: ok
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[01:15] <davmor2> How do you change something to wishlist?
[01:16] <coNP> davmor2: only members of UbuntuQA can do that
[01:18] <davmor2> coNP:  Right thanks.
[01:20] <TheMuso> c
[01:22] <pochu> hey guys, I've a problem, and I don't know who I should talk to
[01:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82452 in gnome-power-manager (main) "[apport]  gnome-power-manager crashed with SIGSEGV in g_cclosure_marshal_VOID()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82452
[01:22] <coNP> !ask | pochu
[01:22] <ubotu> pochu: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:23] <pochu> It's because I have a patch to fix an amule bug, but the amule main developer told me that if I applied that patch (to support utf-8 files, instead iso) he wouldn't support ubuntu's amule problems, at least the characters encoding ones
[01:24] <pochu> coNP: :-P
[01:24] <pochu> :)
[01:24] <pochu> !answer | coNP
[01:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about answer - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:24] <pochu> :)
[01:24] <coNP> :)
[01:24] <Hobbsee> pochu: are you willing to support all the char encoding amule problems yourself?
[01:25] <pochu> Hobbsee: I don't much of amule
[01:25] <Hobbsee> pochu: you missed at least 1 word
[01:25] <pochu> know
[01:25] <pochu> :)
[01:25] <pochu> sorry ;)
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[01:26] <Hobbsee> unless you're willing to support it, or find someone else who's willing to do it, then no, you shouldnt put the patch in, as any bugs related to it wont get fixed.
[01:26] <jwendell> seb128, good morning
[01:27] <pochu> Hobbsee: bug 40238
[01:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40238 in amule "Files downloaded not UTF-8" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40238
[01:28] <jwendell> dholbach, good morning
[01:28] <pochu> jwendell: good morning ;)
[01:28] <coNP> ping sfllaw
[01:28] <dholbach> hey jwendell
[01:28] <dholbach> how's it going?
[01:29] <jwendell> pochu, morming!
[01:29] <jwendell> dholbach, fine
[01:29] <jwendell> dholbach, can you help me on a triage?
[01:30] <Hobbsee> pochu: did you find out why the maintainer doesnt want it?
[01:30] <jwendell> dholbach, gaim-libnotify upstream author has blocked/closed feature requests, only bugs are allowed. What should i do with feature requests on Ubuntu?
[01:30] <pochu> Hobbsee: I'm talking to it
[01:31] <pochu> Hobbsee: he says that he will mantain it once he has added a flag in configure (or somewhere)
[01:31] <Hobbsee> which is probably the more sensible way to do it, yes
[01:31] <pochu> Hobbsee: but then we should wait to fix the bug till next version
[01:31] <Hobbsee> not if it breaks other things.
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[01:32] <dholbach> jwendell: maybe send to a mailing list?
[01:33] <jwendell> dholbach, yep, but that way LP can't know about its progress
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[01:33] <dholbach> right
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[01:38] <pochu> hey, is now the hug day?
[01:38] <pochu> right now?
[01:38] <pochu> :)
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[01:39] <dholbach> looks like :)
[01:39] <dholbach> yooohooooo :)
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[01:40] <pochu> :)
[01:41] <christof-kr> what does that mean? will you be hugged if you solve a bug?
[01:41] <pochu> hey guys: #   Open  (21279)
[01:41] <coNP> I guess so
[01:41] <pochu> Let's work hard
[01:41] <pochu> christof-kr: sure ;)
[01:41] <dholbach> christof-kr: exactly :-)
[01:41] <christof-kr> hehe. well. i'll try
[01:42] <dholbach> if you can help closing old bugs or resolve duplicates, that's good for a hug too :-)
[01:45] <christof-kr> bug #81599 can be closed or set to fix commited (if it also applies when the fix was commited by the author in his repository)
[01:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81599 in hardware-monitor "hardware-monitor cpu monitoring should not include iowait" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81599
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[01:48] <christof-kr> bug #46943 can be closed too
[01:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46943 in gnome-panel "Memory consumption very high after several days uptime" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46943
[01:48] <coNP> christof-kr: you can close them :)
[01:48] <coNP> not only state here that they can be closed :)
[01:49] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82454 in gnome-media (main) "[apport]  gnome-volume-control crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82454
[01:49] <christof-kr> okay, didn't know if i'm allowed to
[01:49] <pochu> christof-kr: If you are sure it should be closed, close it and explain why
[01:50] <christof-kr> not sure with the hardware-monitor one. should ubuntu wait for a new release or include a patch?
[01:50] <christof-kr> this bug was kind of self-entertainment =)
[01:51] <coNP> christof-kr: if the bug is fixed, then it is fixed
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[01:51] <dholbach> hey medders, hey did448
[01:51] <medders> dholbach: Hi
[01:51] <dholbach> HAPPY HUG DAY :)
[01:51] <did448> hi
[01:51] <medders> it's a hug day?
[01:52] <dholbach> yoohoo! :-)
[01:52] <christof-kr> what status do i set to bugs that do not occur any more? fix released?
[01:52] <medders> oh yeah :D
[01:52] <DktrKranz> see ya tonight guys
[01:52] <dholbach> see you DktrKranz
[01:52] <DktrKranz> happy hugday meanwhile :D
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[01:52] <dholbach> christof-kr: it's good etiquette do mark them as fix released and add a comment saying "works for me, please reopen with more information, if the bug still occurs to you." or something
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[01:53] <christof-kr> ok
[01:53] <did448> About bugs with patch, when it's wrongly set, ie there's no patch, does unsetting it spam subscribers?
[01:53] <dholbach> did448: you can unset the 'patch' option for a given attachment?
[01:53] <dholbach> you can try it :-)
[01:54] <did448> dholbach: ok.
[01:56] <coNP> What is current policy while triaging bugs?
[01:56] <coNP> Assign them to yourself (while they are 'needs info') or not?
[01:57] <dholbach> subscribe yourself
[01:58] <medders> dholbach: so what happens different on hug day?
[01:58] <medders> differently*
[01:59] <coNP> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage definitely states to assign it to yourself
[01:59] <dholbach> medders: we're all together, help each other get started, attack bugs together, coordinate a bit more than on usual days
[01:59] <coNP> I was told it was considered a BadThing(TM), however
[01:59] <medders> dholbach: okay, that sounds good
[01:59] <dholbach> coNP: ok, some teams deal with that differently - nobody will be offended if you assign it to yourself
[01:59] <coNP> someone does :)
[01:59] <medders> dholbach: is it usually used to introduce new bug triagers and such?
[01:59] <dholbach> exactly
[01:59] <coNP> ... and asked me no to do so, therefore my questions :)
[02:00] <dholbach> today we could for example take care of bugs that should be forwarded upstream
[02:00] <dholbach> i think we have a bunch of bugs open with that task
[02:00] <dholbach> let me get a list
[02:00] <medders> thanks
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[02:01] <dholbach> http://tinyurl.com/36fbve
=== mode/#ubuntu-bugs [+o dholbach]  by ChanServ
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-bugs:dholbach] : Ubuntu BugSquad | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad | https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bugs | Documentation: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | If you have been triaging bugs for a while, please apply to https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntu-qa/ - http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugsquad | HUG DAY is TODAY! YOOOHOOO! :-) | Bugs that need forwarding upstream: http://tinyurl.com/36fbve
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[02:02] <pochu> and we could make coNP an ubuntuQA member!
[02:02] <pochu> congratulations, coNP :)
[02:02] <dholbach> forwarding upstream includes looking at upstream bugs and checking if they are already filed, etc
[02:02] <medders> time to get started :)
[02:02] <dholbach> it's work that's highly appreciated
[02:03] <dholbach> ROCK ON
[02:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82456 in libdjconsole (universe) "Please sync libdjconsole (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82456
[02:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82457 in djplay (universe) "Please sync djplay (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82457
[02:03] <coNP> pochu: not yet, I am looking for sfllaw for almost a day :(
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[02:03] <pochu> coNP: don't worry, he will come :)
[02:03] <coNP> I hope so :)
[02:03] <pochu> sure :)
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[02:05] <medders_> i dont know what happened there :P
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[02:10] <medders> dholbach: any chance I could have a hand with forwarding bug 10535 upstream? once i've done it once I should probably be able to do it on my own after that.
[02:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 10535 in grub "GRUB hangs on "please wait" on ASUS K8V-SE Deluxe" [High,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10535
[02:10] <dholbach> looking
[02:11] <dholbach> hum
[02:11] <dholbach> it doesn't have an 'upstream' task
[02:11] <dholbach> just a 'debian' task
[02:11] <dholbach> you might want to leave it as it is
[02:12] <dholbach>  the search seems to be taking debian as 'upstream'
[02:12] <medders> really? wont debian want to know?
[02:12] <dholbach> I don't know enough about grub, to be honest
[02:12] <dholbach> I don't know how much we divert from Debian
[02:12] <dholbach> the bug is also quite old already
[02:13] <medders> okay, i'll forget that one then :)
[02:13] <dholbach> hope that doesn't discourage you :)
[02:13] <pochu> hey guys, if a bug is about a package not from the ubuntu repos, should I reject it? It isnt from the repos because we don't have that package in edgy, I think
[02:13] <pochu> !info tracker edgy
[02:13] <ubotu> Package tracker does not exist in edgy
[02:13] <pochu> it isn't :)
[02:14] <dholbach> pochu: yes, you can do that
[02:14] <pochu> dholbach: thanks
[02:14] <dholbach> ok folks, I'm out for lunch - I'll be back soon again
[02:14] <medders> dholbach: see you later
[02:14] <dholbach> see you
[02:16] <pochu> bye :)
[02:23] <pochu> how often do we do hug days?
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[02:25] <pochu> bye
[02:25] <pochu> :)
[02:25] <coNP> hug some food, pochu :)
[02:26] <pochu> hug!
[02:26] <pochu> :)
=== pochu hugs coNP again ;)
[02:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82455 in synce-kde (universe) "synce broken after kde 3.5.6 upgrade" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82455
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[02:32] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45174 in gedit "Gedit's find and replace, very slow replacement of spaces?" [Unknown,Unknown] 
[02:35] <seb128> medders: nice
[02:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82459 in jokosher (universe) "[apport]  Jokosher crashed with ZeroDivisionError in __UpdateFadeLevels()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82459
[02:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82460 in vlock (universe) "vlock's pam config should include common-auth" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82460
[02:35] <medders> not sure if i did it right, but its a start :)
[02:35] <seb128> medders: you can mark forwarded bugs "confirmed"
[02:35] <seb128> and that one looks "low" importance
[02:35] <medders> sewill do, thanks
[02:36] <medders> too many usernames starting with se ;)
[02:36] <seb128> you should probably make the upstream task point to the open bug upstream, not to a duplicate
[02:37] <medders> seb128: the dupe seems more like the launchpad bug than the open one though, I've asked on the gnome tracker what they want me to do
[02:37] <seb128> ok
[02:38] <medders> seb128: for some reason launchpad wont let me mark the bug as confirmed under the upstream bit
[02:38] <seb128> upstream status is synced automatically on bugzilla
[02:39] <seb128> that's why you should point on the open bug and not the duplicate
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[02:39] <seb128> otherwise the upstream task will be marked rejected
[02:39] <medders> seb128: that makes sense, I'll point it to the open one then :)
[02:39] <seb128> cool
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[02:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82458 in gnome-cups-manager (main) "gnome-cups-manager's .desktop file should be in /usr/share/applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82458
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82461 in mono (main) "Mono crash running Beagle in Edgy x86" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82461
[02:41] <sfllaw> coNP: I'm usually here from 14:00 to 23:00 UTC.
[02:42] <coNP> sfllaw: okay, sorry
[02:42] <sfllaw> coNP: No worries.
[02:43] <coNP> sfllaw: I would like to join UbuntuQA
[02:44] <sfllaw> coNP: Sure!  Today's the day for it.
[02:45] <sfllaw> coNP: Do you satisify the three conditions on the UbuntuQA page?
=== sfllaw runs off to the office.
[02:45] <sfllaw> See you soon!
[02:45] <coNP> okay :)
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[02:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82463 in acpi-support (main) "monitor remains blank after quick close/open lid cycle" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82463
[02:47] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82464 in Ubuntu "update-manager -d fails to upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 due to download problems" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82464
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[03:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82453 in ubiquity (main) "the installer crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82453
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[03:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82466 in flumotion (universe) "Important improvements in new upstream stable version (0.4.0) - please update package for Ubuntu 7.04" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82466
[03:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82467 in firefox (main) "ff crash running Pandora editing bookmarks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82467
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[03:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82468 in dash (main) "dash doesn't understand the function keyword" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82468
[03:16] <dholbach> seb128: de rien
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[03:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82469 in serpentine (main) "serpentine crashes when saving playlist" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82469
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[03:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81370 in bughelper "bughelper should show status and importance" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81370
[03:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82470 in rhythmbox (main) "Crash via: Pausing/Playing radio station (via mouse click)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82470
[03:32] <sfllaw> coNP: Hello!
[03:32] <coNP> hey again :)
[03:32] <coNP> so I read the page
[03:33] <coNP> and I promise to be polite
[03:33] <coNP> I know the wiki pages I need to know
[03:33] <pochu> coNP is polite :)
[03:33] <coNP> However, I have a question that was a big suprise for me today concerning point 2.
[03:34] <pochu> !ask | coNP :)
[03:34] <ubotu> coNP :): Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:35] <pochu> hehe
[03:35] <coNP> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage states to assign bugs that need more info to yourself. Is this the policy? Because today I was told it is annonying and considered Bad Thing (TM)
[03:35] <coNP> pochu: I asked sfllaw, not you :)
[03:35] <pochu> coNP: :)
[03:35] <coNP> Does this count being impolite? :)
[03:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82471 in control-center (main) "Add speaker configuration in Sound Properties" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82471
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[03:38] <coNP> Please answer sfllaw if you have read these ^^^.
[03:39] <seb128> pochu: we already had that discussion several time
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[03:39] <seb128> ups
[03:39] <seb128> coNP: we already had that discussion several time
[03:39] <pochu> seb128: hey :)
[03:40] <seb128> sfllaw considers than from the moment you asked informations on the bug you are responsive to reply or close if the submitter doesn't reply
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[03:40] <coNP> hey seb128
[03:40] <seb128> and that you should assign the bug to you to show that
[03:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82472 in cryptsetup (universe) "Encrypted swaps are created but not enabled" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82472
[03:40] <pochu> then the policy is assing oneself :)
[03:40] <seb128> some other people are not used to work that way and use the assignee for whoever is going to fix the bug
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[03:41] <coNP> Okay, I guess this is not a problem, if we release bugs if they are confirmed (and we don't want to work on them)
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[03:41] <sfllaw> coNP: Yes, seb128 is correct.  The assignee is for whomever is working on the bug, not just fixing it.
[03:42] <coNP> Okay, I was almost sure and got very surprised today.
[03:42] <coNP> Thanks for confirming this.
[03:42] <sfllaw> That's why you set it back to Nobody when you finish triaging and aren't the one to fix it.
[03:42] <coNP> Sure.
[03:42] <sfllaw> Please point the person who got angry to Bugs/HowToTriage.
[03:43] <coNP> I did, he seemed to be very sleepy :)
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[03:43] <coNP> Maybe tomorrow he gets the idea :)
[03:43] <sfllaw> Oh, sleepiness makes people grumpy.
[03:43] <sfllaw> :)
[03:43] <coNP> Sure.
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[03:43] <coNP> Are my answers, O.K, sfllaw?
[03:44] <sfllaw> coNP: What's your name again?  LP doesn't let me lookup by IRC nick.
[03:44] <coNP> Oh, sorry, I am asisak @ lp
[03:44] <coNP> I guess :)
[03:45] <sfllaw> I see you.
[03:45] <coNP> Yep, I confirm I am :)
[03:45] <bddebian> Boo
[03:46] <pochu> hi bddebian :)
[03:46] <bddebian> Hello pochu
[03:47] <sfllaw> coNP: For bug 68674, you can probably mark it Fix Released since you found it was fixed in Feisty.
[03:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68674 in emacs21 "flyspell-buffer on large buffers freezes emacs" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68674
[03:48] <coNP> sure
[03:48] <sfllaw> coNP: Your triaging looks reasonable, I'll approve you.
[03:48] <sfllaw> Welcome!
[03:48] <coNP> Thanks, sfllaw :)
[03:48] <sfllaw> Anyone else want to join Ubuntu QA?
=== welshbyte raises a hand tentatively
[03:49] <pochu> sfllaw: I want, but not today :)
=== coNP hugs #ubuntu-bugs :)
[03:49] <welshbyte> sfllaw: andy-price on launchpad
[03:49] <pochu> sfllaw: how often do we do hug days?
[03:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82473 in evolution (main) "bad gconf keys breaks printing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82473
[03:51] <sfllaw> pochu: About once every two weeks.
[03:51] <sfllaw> welshbyte: Sure.  Have you read the UbuntuQA page?
[03:52] <welshbyte> sfllaw: i'll reread it asap, i first requested inclusion in the QA team a few months back so i'm still a bit rusty :)
[03:53] <sfllaw> welshbyte: Please do.
[03:54] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82462 in ubiquity (main) "Kubuntu Installation crash" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82462
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82474 in cohoba (universe) "programming error when trying to add an account" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82474
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82475 in granule (universe) "[apport]  granule crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82475
[03:56] <welshbyte> sfllaw: ok I've refreshed my memory now, along with Bugs/Importance which i hadn't seen before
[03:58] <welshbyte> do i need to sign up to Ubuntu QA on launchpad again or is my old request still there?
[03:58] <coNP> welshbyte: it is still there
[03:58] <welshbyte> cool
[03:59] <sfllaw> welshbyte: Do you assign bugs to yourself when you set them to Needs Info?
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[04:00] <welshbyte> sfllaw: haven't done so before iirc, but i'll do that from now on if it's best practice
[04:01] <welshbyte> i usually make sure i'm subscribed when i ask a question so the bug doesn't get left hanging
[04:05] <bdmurray> I believe it is best practice to assign them to yourself so they don't get lost and you have an easy way to check up on them later.
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[04:06] <welshbyte> yeah that makes sense... i've been away from the scene for a few months, launchpad automatically subscribed you to bugs you commented on back then :)
[04:08] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82476 in kdenetwork "crypto plugin doesn't decrypt" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82476
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[04:11] <sfllaw> welshbyte: Yeah, it doesn't do that any more.  Also, you often subscribe to bugs that you're not working on.
[04:12] <did448> Is LP mail notification working?
[04:12] <pochu> did448: it is
[04:12] <welshbyte> well i like to take interest in bugs that affect me or ubuntu's chances of getting on my computer society's network
[04:12] <pochu> at least a few hours ago :)
[04:12] <sfllaw> welshbyte: All right, looks good.  Welcome!
[04:12] <welshbyte> sfllaw: thank you :)
=== sfllaw hugs coNP and welshbyte.
[04:13] <pochu> welcome coNP and welshbyte!
[04:13] <pochu> welcome? if I'm not a member :)
=== welshbyte hugs sfllaw 
=== pochu hugs everybody :)
=== pochu hugs himself
=== dholbach hugs everybody too
=== coNP hugs sfllaw 
=== pochu hugs dholbach
=== coNP hugs the whole channel
=== pochu hugs the whole network
[04:14] <pochu> :)
[04:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82478 in xorg (main) "iBook monitor not selected automatically in X/KDE" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82478
[04:17] <coNP> Anyone who wants to present me with an iBook to be able to confirm 82478? :)
[04:17] <lifeless> ola!
[04:17] <pochu> hola!
[04:17] <pochu> :)
[04:17] <pochu> lifeless: hug day :)
[04:18] <did448> CoNP: I have one but the screen is broken :) it's a very old regression in casper
[04:19] <sfllaw> lifeless: Hey!
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[04:33] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82479 in mono (main) "crash - i did nothing" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82479
[04:33] <sfllaw> I'm going to start writing about the bugs that I'm triaging.  Today I'm going through bugs that need forwarding upstream: http://tinyurl.com/36fbve
[04:34] <sfllaw> Feel free to follow along...
[04:36] <sfllaw> Bug 38198 is fixed in Edgy, but seems to be something that could be important for dapper.  I am targetting a release to Dapper, setting dapper's package to Confirmed, and setting the Edgy package to Fix Released.
[04:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 38198 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "Garbled using open source Radeon driver" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/38198
[04:36] <seb128> I've looked at the gnome-panel bugs yesterday (cleaned old bugs, confirmed news, forwarded some of them upstream, etc)
[04:36] <seb128> doing rhythmbox today
[04:37] <sfllaw> seb128: Yes!
[04:46] <bdmurray> seb128: could you add that info to the Adopt A Package page in the wiki?
[04:46] <bdmurray> that you swept gnome-panel bugs
[04:47] <seb128> what page is that?
[04:48] <seb128> I did note it on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/BugState
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[04:49] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82481 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Regression: megaraid driver doesn't find disks" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82481
[04:50] <sfllaw> Bug 23835: It's not an upstream LILO bug because they don't support LVM /boot partitions.
[04:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 23835 in lilo-installer "lilo + lvm2 don't work following upgrade to breezy" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/23835
[04:50] <bdmurray> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad/AdoptPackage
[04:50] <bdmurray> somebody started it in December and I was adding info about bug quantities yesterday
[04:51] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Neat.
[04:52] <seb128> good idea
[04:52] <seb128> sort of dup informations with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/BugState
[04:53] <seb128> we should probably consider deprecating the desktopteam page
[04:53] <seb128> though they have different use
[04:53] <bdmurray> I like the desktop team page formatting better though
[04:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82484 in illuminator (universe) "Unmet deps [Feisty]  (dup-of: 65388)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82484
[04:54] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82480 in parrot (universe) "[Feisty]  Unmet deps" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82480
[04:54] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82482 in openssl (main) "libssl-dev unmet dependencies in Edgy" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82482
[04:55] <sfllaw> Bug 27654: Looked for the bug in Debian's bug tracking system (http://bugs.debian.org/bittorrent) and found a duplicate.
[04:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 27654 in bittorrent "Issues with bittorrent init script" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/27654
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[05:01] <dholbach> bdmurray: nice work - maybe at some stage bughelper could do those lists
[05:02] <dholbach> bdmurray: we should probably collect ideas on BugHelper/Jobs or something (so we could build lists in an automated way every day)
[05:02] <dholbach> does that make sense?
[05:03] <bdmurray> dholbach: absolutely.  I just using some bash scripting now because I wanted numbers quick, but automating better would be a good idea.
[05:03] <bdmurray> s/just/am just/
[05:03] <dholbach> on the next summit we'll write some nice specs for that
[05:03] <dholbach> for now just let's mail the ubuntu-bugsquad@ list and do it ad-hoc
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[05:04] <bdmurray> being able to filter more would be better too
[05:04] <bdmurray> those numbers are just a count of "open" bugs
[05:04] <dholbach> yeah
[05:04] <davmor2> seb128: didier just post there is an upstream totem problem which is causing it to crash :(
[05:05] <bdmurray> dholbach: I should probably add an RFE but I was trying to write a clue file against a bug that wasn't open so it was hard to test.
[05:05] <bdmurray> because there weren't any open ones that matched
[05:05] <dholbach> ah ok
[05:06] <bdmurray> but if clue files are to be helpful for finding dupes you might be writing a clue file against a closed bug
[05:06] <seb128> davmor2: what?
[05:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82485 in f-spot (main) "f-spot crashs on start up with a exception about opengl" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82485
[05:06] <davmor2> does network-manager support intel chipset wireless because since it's inclusion today it is showing up saying there are no network connections
[05:08] <davmor2> seb128:  the totem bug from earlier apparently there is an upstream bug reported already.  About totem crashing even though it isn't running.
[05:08] <seb128> davmor2: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=402847 you mean?
[05:08] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 402847 in GStreamer backend "Totem gstreamer backend doesn't check if screen != NULL and crash" [Normal,Resolved: fixed] 
[05:09] <davmor2> seb128: yeap
[05:09] <seb128> davmor2: ok, let's see if the next version fixes it then
[05:09] <seb128> I've forwarded bug #78038 upstream
[05:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78038 in rhythmbox "rhythmbox interferes with suspend" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78038
[05:10] <davmor2> seb128: yes hopefully
[05:10] <davmor2> who knows about network-manager?
[05:13] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82486 in linux-meta (main) "[feisty]  very nasty bug with libata" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82486
[05:15] <seb128> davmor2: what do you want to know about it?
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[05:17] <davmor2> seb128:  I just get an exclamation mark in an orange triangle. When I click on it, it says no network connect but my wireless is working through the normal icon.
[05:17] <seb128> is your wireless device configured to /etc/network/interface?
[05:17] <seb128> network-manager only manage devices not listed there
[05:18] <davmor2> seb128:  No idea,  I'll check.
[05:19] <sfllaw> Bug 64976: The stack trace listed gsb_scanner_get_sources() as the source of the segfault and I couldn't find that in GNOME's bugzilla for gnome-scan, so I filed a new bug.
[05:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 64976 in gnomescan "Gnomescan dies on start" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/64976
[05:19] <sfllaw> And subscribed the original reporter to it.
[05:20] <davmor2> seb128 Yes it's listed do I just need to remove it's listing from there then?
[05:21] <seb128> davmor2: yep, remove any config for it
[05:21] <seb128> sfllaw: gnomescan upstream is subscribed to launchpad, no need to forwarded those bugs upstream ... ;)
[05:22] <seb128> sfllaw: he's Etienne Bersac who commented on the bug
[05:23] <seb128> sfllaw: btw the bug was gnome bug #355482, there was already a bug watch opened about it
[05:23] <Ubugtu> Gnome bug 355482 in flegita "gnomescan segfaults on startup" [Blocker,Resolved: fixed]  http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355482
[05:23] <sfllaw> seb128: It's a different bug.
[05:23] <seb128> the bt is the same
[05:23] <sfllaw> Etienne even claimed as much.
[05:23] <seb128> weird
[05:24] <sfllaw> No, the backtrace is slightly different.
[05:24] <seb128> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/dupfinder/simple-dup-finder.cgi?id=402866
[05:24] <seb128> well, yours is not a debug one
[05:24] <seb128> I'll let you sort it
[05:24] <seb128> but it's likely upstream bug squad will just use the dupfinder and dup it
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[05:25] <sfllaw> seb128: It could be the same bug, but get_sources() is different from get_geometry().
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82487 in hplip (main) "HPLIP appears twice in Control Center" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82487
[05:25] <seb128> well, non_debug backtrace can be different from debug ones
[05:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82488 in nautilus (main) "Browsing EnhancedCD's crashes Nautilus" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82488
[05:25] <sfllaw> There's still a bug in gnomescan when run in Feisty.  It looks like interfacing with scanners is nasty business.
[05:26] <davmor2> Thanks seb128
[05:26] <davmor2> working now
[05:26] <seb128> davmor2: np
[05:26] <davmor2> There could be a shed load of bugs relating to it though
[05:26] <seb128> davmor2: you are welcome to clean them ;)
[05:27] <davmor2> now I know how thanks I'll keep my eye out for them
[05:32] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82489 in slune (universe) "[apport]  slune crashed with  SyntaxError in sound()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82489
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[05:40] <bdmurray> sfllaw: do you think 82489 is a dupe of 81884?
[05:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82490 in dash (main) "dash doesn't execute no signature scripts" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82490
[05:41] <pochu> hey: if a bug as been fixed in svn, or in a newer version which isn't in the repos, should I mark the bug as fix released or fix commited?
[05:41] <coNP> comitted
[05:41] <coNP> I guess
[05:42] <bdmurray> committed, it is release when a user can get it from a repo
[05:44] <pochu> ok, thanks you two :)
[05:44] <bdmurray> pochu: what is the bug number?
[05:44] <pochu> there isn't
[05:44] <pochu> it's just a question :)
[05:44] <bdmurray> oh, okay
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[05:46] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Yes, it is.  The traceback clinches it.
[05:47] <bdmurray> sfllaw: cool I thought I saw that now
[05:47] <bdmurray> maybe I'll write a clue file for that
[05:47] <bdmurray> as I've seen like 3
[05:48] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Excellent
[05:48] <seb128> grump
[05:48] <seb128> I've sent https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/80528 to the middle of nowhere
[05:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80528 in Ubuntu "Not work key binding of gnome with rhythmbox" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[05:48] <sfllaw> Those Python encoding bugs are no good.
[05:48] <seb128> we start having a pile of "my multimedia key doesn't work" and I've no idea of what to do with them
[05:48] <seb128> does anybody know about keyboard and want to give a reply to some of those?
[05:48] <sfllaw> seb128: I know this bug.
[05:49] <seb128> I can make a list ...
[05:49] <sfllaw> seb128: I experience it myself, actually.
[05:49] <seb128> sfllaw: I would be happy if you can explain me how all that work
[05:49] <sfllaw> Some application clobbers X's keymap.
[05:49] <bdmurray> sfllaw: or maybe right it up in the wiki
[05:49] <bdmurray> s/right/write/
[05:49] <sfllaw> So you set the Keyboard Shortcut for Play/Pause.
[05:49] <bdmurray> for me too
[05:49] <sfllaw> Then fire up xev and you get XF86AudioPlay.
[05:50] <sfllaw> Log out, log in, and you get KeySym 0x0.
[05:50] <sfllaw> :(
[05:50] <seb128> then that's an xorg bug?
[05:50] <sfllaw> I dunno.
[05:50] <seb128> or xkeyboard-config?
[05:50] <sfllaw> What handles Keyboard Shortcuts in GNOME?
[05:50] <seb128> gnome-settings-daemon
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[05:50] <seb128> but it only does a "filter events and run associated action when getting one"
[05:50] <sfllaw> Hmm...  Maybe g-s-d isn't enforcing the shortcuts hard enough?
[05:51] <sfllaw> So when you login, what's supposed to set them?
[05:51] <sfllaw> Perhaps it's not doing its job.
[05:51] <seb128> well, if KeySym = 0x0 that's not for g-s-d
[05:51] <seb128> nothing?
[05:51] <sfllaw> Maybe that's the problem...
[05:51] <seb128> keyboard keys are listed by the xkeyboard-config table no?
[05:51] <seb128> if a wrong event is sent that's because the keymap is not correct?
[05:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82492 in mono (main) "[apport]  mono crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82492
[05:52] <sfllaw> Well, I think setting some random key to XF86AudioPlay is not handled by the default data.
[05:52] <sfllaw> It's something you define.
[05:52] <sfllaw> Maybe it's the xmodmap handling?
[05:53] <sfllaw> GNOME does something related to that, doesn't it?
[05:53] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82491 in synaptic (main) "[apport]  synaptic crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82491
[05:53] <seb128> yep, there is some ugly hacks
[05:53] <sfllaw> seb128: Where do those hacks live?  g-settings-d?
[05:54] <dholbach> yoooohooo: http://tinyurl.com/2on6eb
[05:54] <seb128> sfllaw: control-center, gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-keyboard.c
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[05:55] <sfllaw> seb128: I might look into it over the weekend...
[05:55] <sfllaw> seb128: It annoys me, at least.
[05:55] <seb128> that would be nice ;)
[05:55] <sfllaw> I suspect those bugs are in control-center, though.
[05:55] <sfllaw> I don't hear anyone from Kubuntu complain.
[05:55] <sfllaw> And it's not rhythmbox.
[05:56] <seb128> they did some changes upstream this cycle for that
[05:56] <sfllaw> seb128: They?
[05:57] <seb128> the other gnome-control-center guys
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[05:57] <seb128> I don't work on keyboard stuff
[05:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82493 in service-discovery-applet (universe) "[apport]  service-discovery-applet crashed with GError in connect()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82493
[05:57] <seb128> http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-control-center/trunk/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-keybindings.c?rev=6141&view=markup
[05:57] <seb128> hum, no
[05:57] <seb128> not that one
[05:58] <seb128> http://svn.gnome.org/viewcvs/gnome-control-center/trunk/gnome-settings-daemon/gnome-settings-multimedia-keys.c?rev=7097&view=markup
[05:58] <seb128> they send signals on dbus now
[05:58] <seb128> totem uses that
[05:58] <seb128> maybe rhythmbox should just switch to that new API
[05:58] <seb128> and that would solve the problem for it
[05:58] <sfllaw> Oh, instead of using the keyboard?
[05:58] <sfllaw> Maybe.
[05:59] <sfllaw> Speaking of control-center, could you spend some time before Feisty releases to upload fixes for bug 79566?
[05:59] <Ubugtu> Bug 79566 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/79566 is private
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[06:00] <seb128> the libxfont upload?
[06:00] <sfllaw> And control-center with your error-trapping patch.
[06:00] <seb128> ok, will do that today or tomorrow
[06:00] <sfllaw> Yay!
[06:01] <sfllaw> Do you think it would be a good idea to SRU for the support case?
[06:01] <seb128> yep
[06:01] <seb128> at least the libxfont fix
[06:01] <sfllaw> I think so.
[06:01] <seb128> I don't think the error trapping need to be SRUed
[06:01] <sfllaw> Dapper and Edgy for libxfont?
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[06:01] <seb128> yep
[06:01] <sfllaw> No, the error trapping is only useful for people trying to run control-center with other X servers.
[06:02] <sfllaw> So we'll only SRU it if people complain about running GNOME remotely.
[06:03] <seb128> k
[06:03] <sfllaw> I got some people to test xset +fp on Sun's X and SGI's X.  That bug is everywhere!
[06:04] <seb128> doing a small computer break, bbl
[06:04] <sfllaw> seb128: Have fun!
[06:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82494 in service-discovery-applet (universe) "[apport]  service-discovery-applet crashed with KeyError in service_resolved()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82494
[06:04] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82495 in firefox (main) "Firefox thinks it crashes when i turn it off. Not really a problem for me" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82495
[06:06] <bdmurray> heh, damn bughelper rules
[06:06] <bdmurray> sfllaw: bug 70501 seems to be a slune dupe too.  Do you agree?
[06:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70501 in slune "Slune crashes almost instantly with Soya unknown GL error" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70501
[06:07] <bdmurray> hrmm, maybe not
[06:08] <sfllaw> bdmurray: I think it's a different bug.
[06:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82496 in gaim (main) "Gaim crash if someone open me a window message after closing one" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82496
[06:10] <bdmurray> but the critical part of 81884 is the Non-ASCII character right?
[06:14] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82497 in compiz (universe) "[apport]  compiz.real crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82497
[06:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82499 in aswiki (universe) "aswiki not installable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82499
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[06:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82500 in Ubuntu "[feisty] shutdown pannel misses hibernate and standby" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82500
[06:21] <bddebian> aaaahhh the bugs, the bugs....
[06:23] <bdmurray> that bug should be given a package
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[06:26] <pochu> its g-p-m, I think
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[06:26] <sfllaw> That's right.
[06:26] <pochu> done :)
[06:27] <sfllaw> pochu: You might want to ask the user to dump /apps/gnome-power-manager/ from gconf.
[06:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82502 in gnome-applets (main) "Power Manager Brightness applet "cannot get laptop panel brightness|" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82502
[06:27] <sfllaw> Maybe his can_suspend and can_hiberate are set to false.
[06:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82503 in tracker (universe) "[apport]  trackerd crashed with SIGSEGV in start_thread()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82503
[06:28] <pochu> sfllaw: ok
[06:28] <pochu> sfllaw: I had that problem yesterday, but with the upgrade it's solved
[06:29] <sfllaw> pochu: Oh, maybe a blip of a bug?
[06:29] <pochu> so I'll first ask the user which version he has, if you don't ming
[06:29] <sfllaw> gconftool --recursive-list /apps/gnome-power-manager | grep can
[06:29] <sfllaw> Not at all.
[06:29] <pochu> ok, the two things :)
[06:29] <sfllaw> You can ask him for both version _and_ the output of gconftool.
[06:29] <sfllaw> Yeah, it's slow to have to ask for things one at a time.
[06:29] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82501 in nautilus (main) "nautilus hangs with "Searching for appropriate applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82501
[06:30] <sfllaw> Most recently, 82502 looks like ACPI isn't reporting the correct information to gnome-applets...
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[06:30] <pochu> sfllaw: that's a duplicate
[06:30] <pochu> let me search
[06:30] <pochu> for the other
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[06:34] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82504 in gnome-panel (main) "gnome-panel autohides inconsistently" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82504
[06:37] <pochu> sfllaw: Bug #81339
[06:37] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81339 in gnome-power-manager "Cannot get laptop panel brightness" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81339
[06:37] <pochu> it's g-p-m or gnome-applets?
[06:38] <giskard> bad acpi
[06:38] <pochu> Bug #43572
[06:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 43572 in hal "Dell Laptops don't talk to HAL about brightness correctly" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/43572
[06:38] <pochu> sfllaw: are they 3 the same?
[06:38] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82505 in apt (main) "apt-ftparchive includes incorrect file sizes in Packages file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82505
[06:39] <pochu> I think 81339 and 82502 are
[06:39] <cypher1> bug 82502
[06:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82502 in gnome-applets "Power Manager Brightness applet "cannot get laptop panel brightness|" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82502
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[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82506 in tuxpaint-stamps (main) "[Dapper]  Tuxpaint doesn't pick up any localisation files" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82506
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82507 in gnome-osd (universe) "[apport]  gnome-osd-event-bridge crashed with DBusException in __call__()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82507
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82508 in glob2 (universe) "Please sync glob2 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82508
[06:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82509 in gnome-app-install (main) "Search button instead of type-ahead search" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82509
[06:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82510 in tuxpaint (main) "[Edgy] tuxpaint not installable using gdebi" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82510
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[07:06] <bdmurray> dholbach: I'm having a challenge writing a clue file
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[07:07] <dholbach> bdmurray: do you use   ./bugxml -a <package> <condition> <information> ?
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[07:08] <dholbach> or is it a more complicated clue?
[07:10] <bdmurray> dholbach: I was writing it by hand and switched to bugxml but still have the same issue
[07:10] <dholbach> ok, what is the problem?
[07:11] <dholbach> what are you trying to put into a clue - do you have that file somewhere?
[07:11] <bdmurray> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3604/
[07:11] <bdmurray> I think it is failing in the path area
[07:12] <bdmurray> truncating it to /usr/share works
[07:12] <bdmurray> but the 3rd / seems to be the issue
[07:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82511 in gnome-system-tools (main) "[regression, network-admin]  looks for locations in root/.gnome2 instead of user/.gnome2 since update" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82511
[07:13] <dholbach> bdmurray: maybe we need to use encoding and decoding on everything
[07:13] <dholbach> bugxml -e <...> should take care of that
[07:13] <dholbach> I just never used it because stuff seemed to work
[07:13] <dholbach> seb128: did you ever encounter something like that with clues?
[07:13] <dholbach> (having to encode)
[07:14] <seb128> no
[07:14] <seb128> I would be happy to have regexp to clues though
[07:14] <dholbach> should be easy to fix
[07:14] <dholbach> also using encoding on everything
[07:15] <bdmurray> dholbach: so I should use the COPY: output of bugxml -e then?
[07:15] <dholbach> bdmurray: might be, that we need to decode that stuff, when we're reading from the XML file to make it work
[07:16] <dholbach> a couple of one line fixes should do it probably
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[07:17] <bdmurray> still using the COPY output matched nothing
[07:18] <dholbach> right
[07:18] <dholbach> because we need to decode it, when we read from the XML structure
[07:18] <dholbach> and store the decoded string in the bugClue data structure
[07:18] <dholbach> i'll take a look at it
[07:19] <dholbach> thanks for noticing and telling me
[07:19] <dholbach> i'll take a look at it in a bit
[07:19] <bdmurray> okay, cool.  It was driving me a bit mad. ;)
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[07:22] <sfllaw> pochu: Looks like it, although it's probably laptop dependent.
[07:23] <sfllaw> For instance, on my laptop, a T60p, the kernel doesn't report laptop brightness correctly.
[07:23] <pochu> sfllaw: I marked it as a dup
[07:23] <sfllaw> pochu: Thanks!
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[07:26] <pochu> sfllaw: can you take a look at this?: https://launchpad.net/bugs/82500
[07:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82500 in gnome-power-manager "[feisty] shutdown pannel misses hibernate and standby" [Undecided,Needs info] 
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[07:26] <pochu> he has the gconf keys as true
[07:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82512 in nvu (universe) "Just crash. Don't remember what I did before it" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82512
[07:27] <sfllaw> pochu: Huh...  I haven't upgraded to 2.17.90-0ubuntu4 yet.
[07:27] <sfllaw> pochu: It could be something introduced since ubuntu2.
[07:28] <sfllaw> I'd get him to gnome-settings-remove gnome-power-manager.
[07:28] <sfllaw> Then run it as gnome-power-manager --no-daemon --verbose.
[07:28] <sfllaw> And see what happens.
[07:28] <pochu> feel free to do it ;)
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[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82513 in ubiquity (main) "install crash on manual partition step 5" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82513
[07:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82514 in gossip-telepathy (universe) "[apport]  gossip crashed with SIGSEGV in g_datalist_id_get_data()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82514
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[07:33] <pochu> sfllaw: what is gnome-settings-remove?
[07:35] <seb128> gnome-session-remove you mean?
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[07:36] <sfllaw> Yes, sorry.
[07:36] <sfllaw> Strangely, I never type that wrong in my shell...
[07:37] <pochu> sfllaw: and what do I ask him, the terminal output?
[07:38] <dholbach> sfllaw: can the next hug day be a 'forwarding upstream' hug day?
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[07:39] <sfllaw> dholbach: It was supposed to be, but you changed the topic to something different.
[07:39] <sfllaw> :)
[07:39] <pochu> hehe
[07:39] <dholbach> ???
[07:40] <dholbach> take a look at the url in the topic
[07:40] <pochu> can the next hug day be _exactly_ in two weeks time?
[07:40] <dholbach> one week!
[07:40] <pochu> on Febraury 14th?
[07:40] <dholbach> :-)
[07:40] <pochu> one week is fine
[07:40] <pochu> but another on 14th :)
[07:41] <pochu> one week... 8th? :)
[07:41] <dholbach> sfllaw: ok, it had something in the announce about upstreams - thanks, nevermind :)
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[07:44] <sfllaw> February 14th?  Hmm.
[07:45] <sfllaw> Well, that seems seasonally appropriate.
[07:45] <pochu> :)
[07:45] <pochu> If you want, I can edit the wiki :)
[07:45] <dholbach> yeah :)
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[07:50] <bdmurray> bug 82449 seems is reported in a foreign language if somebody wants to take a peak at it
[07:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82449 in Ubuntu "the files is crashes" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82449
[07:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82515 in evolution (main) "Evolution uses weak encryption for SSL/TLS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82515
[07:51] <pochu> dholbach, lol: This bug annoys me for a very long time now, sometimes I cry at night because of it. Somebody please fix it.
[07:52] <pochu> :)
[07:52] <pochu> bug 1
[07:52] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
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[07:53] <bdmurray> ichthux?
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[07:53] <cowbud> hug hug w00t
[07:53] <dholbach> bdmurray: *whine*
[07:53] <crimsun> !ichthux-desktop
[07:53] <cowbud> i've got a question about: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/76788 it seems the bug is known and there is a kernel patch fix how do I draw attention? It seems that pulse audio is somewhat important (I thought they wanted it in feisty).
[07:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76788 in pulseaudio "pulseaudio-module-hal does not detect sound hardware" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[07:53] <ubotu> ichthux-desktop: Ichthux desktop system. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 3 kB, installed size 32 kB
[07:54] <crimsun> cowbud: we know about it. There's question as to whether that's the proper patch.
[07:54] <dholbach> bdmurray: look at the launchpad HTML source for the bug page of bug 81884
[07:54] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81884 in slune "[apport]  slune crashed with  SyntaxError in sound() [slune and/or python 2.5] " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81884
[07:54] <dholbach> bdmurray: they do some wonky escaping of their own
[07:54] <cowbud> crimsun: ah alright, can you confirm if pulse is for feisty?
[07:54] <dholbach> bdmurray: so it has nothing to do with us
[07:54] <crimsun> cowbud: it's already in main, and Edubuntu will use it for LTSP.
[07:54] <cowbud> nice
[07:56] <bdmurray> dholbach: That is madness
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[07:56] <bdmurray> dholbach: it should work for attachments though right?
[07:57] <dholbach> bdmurray: it should - I'm working on encoding-decoding-by-default now
[07:59] <cypher1> my karma has decreased !!
[07:59] <cypher1> is it possible ?
[08:00] <pochu> cypher1: everybody's karma has decreased
[08:00] <pochu> it has been an adjustement
[08:00] <pochu> to fix a bug
[08:01] <pochu> https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaReductionJan07
[08:01] <cypher1> thanks.. let me read it
[08:02] <pochu> cypher1: no problem ;)
[08:04] <bdmurray> sfllaw: what is procedure for bugs against packages in the Commercial Repo?
[08:08] <sfllaw> bdmurray: They're not Ubuntu bugs.  They're Canonical bugs.  :)
[08:08] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Lemme ask.
[08:09] <bdmurray> okay, I stumbled across one about opera and didn't find an opera package in malone
[08:11] <dholbach> bdmurray: can you check out sftp://dholbach@bazaar.launchpad.net/~dholbach/bughelper/bughelper.dev and take a look at the last commit? I'll ask on the mailing list for a review - but I think it should help a bit
[08:11] <dholbach> bdmurray: once committed, we need to update the existing .info files - but that shouldn't be a big problem
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[08:15] <bdmurray> dholbach: working on it
[08:16] <dholbach> excellent
[08:16] <dholbach> I'm going to call it a day soon
[08:16] <bdmurray> dholbach: Yeah, it's quite late there isn't it?
[08:16] <dholbach> seb128 and pitti are going to look over the packaging tomorrow, so maybe we can upload it then
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[08:17] <dholbach> 20:16 over here
[08:17] <cypher1> 00:47 am over here :)
[08:17] <pochu> same than dholbach here :)
[08:18] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82517 in gaim (main) "gaim crased while you try change the display picture" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82517
[08:18] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82518 in libpam-unix2 (universe) "problems with libpam-unix2 and gnome-screensaver" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82518
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[08:18] <cypher1> i have wiki.ubuntu.com/Pappan.. i should be able to edit it right
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[08:18] <cypher1> sorry typed in the wrong channel
[08:19] <cypher1> i wanted to share some problems i have faced and how i solved it in there :)
[08:21] <pochu> pochu hugs DktrKranz
[08:21] <pochu> DktrDkranz: welcome :)
[08:21] <DktrKranz> hi pochu ;)
[08:21] <pochu> ups :)
[08:21] <pochu> hi :)
[08:22] <DktrKranz> what's up?
[08:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82519 in kdar (universe) "kdar: slice size too large for DVD-R's" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82519
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[08:25] <DktrKranz> pochu, finally we solved #78500 ;)
[08:25] <pochu> bug 78500
[08:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78500 in control-center "gnome-control-center wipes out /home/user" [Unknown,Unknown]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78500
[08:26] <pochu> DktrDranz: sorry, but can't remember that bug
[08:26] <DktrKranz> it was in feisty
[08:27] <DktrKranz> control center deleted home
[08:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82520 in ubiquity (main) "while downloading language pack (installer was at 85 %), installer crashed " [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82520
[08:27] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82521 in simpledb (universe) "Please sync simpledb (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82521
[08:27] <pochu> deleted home?
[08:27] <pochu> lol
[08:27] <DktrKranz> yep
[08:27] <DktrKranz> every single file
[08:27] <pochu> nice to hear it's fixed
[08:27] <pochu> :)
[08:27] <DktrKranz> even dotted ones
[08:28] <DktrKranz> i was lucky, i obtained backtrace quite easily
[08:28] <DktrKranz> and it helped
[08:28] <DktrKranz> so seb fixed it
[08:29] <pochu> that's fine :)
[08:29] <DktrKranz> but it isn't ubuntu-related only
[08:29] <DktrKranz> so everyone with that software in are affeced
[08:29] <DktrKranz> *affected
[08:30] <DktrKranz> well, --critical; :D
[08:31] <dholbach> good night folks
[08:32] <DktrKranz> aloha dholbach :)
[08:32] <dholbach> night DktrKranz
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[08:36] <sfllaw> bdmurray: So, uhm, we haven't decided yet.
[08:36] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82525 in evolution (main) "[apport]  evolution-alarm-notify crashed with SIGSEGV in strcmp()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82525
[08:37] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82522 in gaim (main) "[apport]  gaim crashed with SIGSEGV in _gst_parse_yylex()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82522
[08:38] <bdmurray> sfllaw: okay, I'll assign the bug to you then
[08:38] <bdmurray> ;)
[08:39] <sfllaw> bdmurray: Which bug?
[08:40] <bdmurray> the opera one
[08:40] <bdmurray> 82439
[08:41] <sfllaw> bdmurray: That's actually a flash bug.
[08:41] <sfllaw> It segfaulted in XSync(), which seemed to be called from NP_Shutdown() in libflashplayer.so.
[08:41] <sfllaw> Since it's unlikely that libX11 would be so broken, I'm pretty sure it's flash.
[08:43] <bdmurray> okay
[08:43] <sfllaw> Also, this person didn't download it from -commercial.
[08:43] <sfllaw> Package: opera 9.10-20061214.6
[08:44] <bdmurray> !info opera
[08:44] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in any distro I know
[08:44] <pochu> sfllaw: when somebody uses a non-ubuntu package, should we reject the reports?
[08:44] <sfllaw> pochu: So normally, I would say yes.
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[08:45] <pochu> hi Seveas :)
[08:45] <sfllaw> bdmurray: http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/dapper-commercial/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82524 in linux-source-2.6.17 (main) "Can't boot from -generic kernels" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82524
[08:46] <sfllaw> pochu: But there's a corner-case here that I haven't resolved with other people here at Canonical, which is what to do with "deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu foo-commercial main"
[08:46] <bdmurray> !info realplay
[08:46] <ubotu> Package realplay does not exist in any distro I know
[08:46] <pochu> sfllaw: I didn't the existence of that repo
[08:46] <pochu> didn't know :)
[08:49] <Nafallo> bug 58495
[08:49] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58495 in soyuz "dapper-commercial packages are not represented in Launchpad" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58495
[08:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82526 in tkinfo (universe) "Please sync tkinfo (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82526
[09:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82527 in gnome-screensaver (main) "gnome-screensaver-command doesn't work for gnome-screesaver instances started from /etx/X11/Xsession.d" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82527
[09:02] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82528 in linux-source-2.6.20 (main) "Write load on DM-Crypt LUKS partition with reiserfs jams system" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82528
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[09:08] <cowbud> what is the deal with reporting bugs as Feisty/Edgy I know i've raised this before and people know it is an issue is it going anywhere?
[09:09] <cowbud> i'd rather work on feisty confirmations/bugs etc then edgy since that is what I  use and yet it is almost impossible to weed just feisty bugs out
[09:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82529 in scribus (main) "[apport]  scribus crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82529
[09:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82530 in Ubuntu "No warning dialog when shutting down PC and another user logged in" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82530
[09:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82531 in Ubuntu "[Sync Request]  istanbul 0.2.1-3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82531
[09:09] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82532 in gtkpod-aac (multiverse) "gtkpod-aac is not latest" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82532
[09:10] <sfllaw> cowbud: It is difficult to search for them, unfortunately.
[09:11] <sfllaw> cowbud: However, it is pretty easy to confirm that things are fixed in Feisty, if the reporter is running Edgy.
[09:11] <cowbud> sfllaw: well how hard would it be to have a little drop down that says is this for A) Edgy B) Feisty C) Dapper whatever..
[09:11] <sfllaw> That puts you at an advantage.
[09:11] <cowbud> the browser even identifies what the user is using that could be a start to guess so the edgy users who aren't in the know wouldn't even have to do anything..
[09:11] <sfllaw> cowbud: Harder than you think.  Apparently, this is a "contentious issue".  :/
[09:11] <sfllaw> We'll be solving it with our bug-reporting-tool for Feisty.
[09:11] <sfllaw> The crash reporter already logs this information.
[09:12] <cowbud> so then we will be able to say show me all feisty reported bugs?
[09:12] <sfllaw> No, but at least you can search for Ubuntu 7.04.
[09:12] <cowbud> I guess that's something but it just seems counter productive
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[09:13] <sfllaw> It's actually not.  Lots of people don't specify what version they're running at all.
[09:13] <cowbud> sfllaw: well them specifying the distro is pretty easy, i'd say most people know if they are running edgy or dapper or feisty
[09:16] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82534 in gnomebaker (universe) "Progress bar is not stabile in gnomebaker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82534
[09:20] <sfllaw> cowbud: Well, it's something I've been pushing for.  We just haven't gotten it yet.
[09:20] <cowbud> sfllaw: yah I realize I am preaching to the choir :) thanks for listening
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82535 in gpsdrive (universe) "[apport]  gpsdrive crashed with SIGSEGV in _IO_vfscanf_internal()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82535
[09:21] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82537 in Ubuntu "eject button does not work for second cdrom drive" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82537
[09:21] <sfllaw> cowbud: No problem!  Thanks for triaging.
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[09:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82536 in no-ip (universe) "Please sync no-ip (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82536
[09:22] <cowbud> sfllaw: wanna confirm this one? and give hints on maybe more info I am also new to bug reporting. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomboy/+bug/82538
[09:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82538 in tomboy "[Feisty]  tomboy crashes when dbus is restarted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[09:22] <cowbud> haha
[09:22] <cowbud> there it is
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[09:22] <cowbud> source?
[09:22] <cowbud> hrmm
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[09:28] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82538 in tomboy (main) "[Feisty]  tomboy crashes when dbus is restarted" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82538
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[09:32] <sfllaw> cowbud: Did it provide a crash dump?  If so, you should attach that.
[09:32] <sfllaw> Also a good format for reporting bugs is:
[09:32] <sfllaw> 1) Version
[09:32] <cowbud> sfllaw: no it didn't
[09:33] <sfllaw> 2) Reproduction steps
[09:33] <sfllaw> 3) Expected result
[09:33] <sfllaw> 4) Actual result
[09:33] <sfllaw> Point form is sometimes best.
[09:33] <sfllaw> Can you run tomboy by hand and get some debugging information out of it?
[09:33] <cowbud> alright I can add a comment about that
[09:33] <sfllaw> You can even edit the description.
[09:34] <cowbud> ahh yah I get a dump
[09:34] <cowbud> or a stack trace from tomboy at least
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[09:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82539 in gedit (main) "gedit doesn't close files (and blocks CDROM eject)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82539
[09:37] <cowbud> sfllaw: updated take a look now. it seemed weird not labeling the points so I just put stuff like version: you'll see :)
[09:37] <cowbud> that was a fairly easy update and now that bug has a lot more info I should have done that first
[09:38] <sfllaw> Sweet.
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[09:39] <cowbud> sfllaw: ahh I should probably include the actual package version not just the tomboy version eh?
[09:39] <cowbud> like 0.5.5-1
[09:39] <sfllaw> That would be best.
[09:41] <sfllaw> cowbud: You know, a lot of things stop working after D-BUS goes down.
[09:41] <sfllaw> I guess the system bus is like that.
[09:41] <cowbud> gott arun to lunch
[09:41] <cowbud> bbl
[09:41] <cowbud> :)
[09:41] <sfllaw> Bye.
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[09:53] <bdmurray> sfllaw: do you know if there is an upstream bug tracker for hplip
[09:54] <bdmurray> I didn't see one at their sourceforge page
[09:55] <sfllaw> Follow the "Sourceforge Project Page" link.
[09:55] <sfllaw> Click on "Tracker"
[09:55] <sfllaw> Oh damn.
[09:55] <sfllaw> SourceForge got ugly.
[09:55] <sfllaw> Question: How do I report a bug (defect) or request a feature?
[09:55] <sfllaw> Answer: You may post bug reports or feature requests to the mailing list .
[09:55] <bdmurray> No trackers have been setup
[09:56] <sfllaw> http://hplip.sourceforge.net/mailing_lists.html
[09:56] <sfllaw> :(
[09:56] <bdmurray> So I should submit a bug in lp and mail their mailing list too?
[09:57] <sfllaw> Oh, like filing a new bug?
[09:57] <sfllaw> If you found a bug in HPLIP and there isn't a duplicate, I suppose that's the right thing to do.
[09:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82541 in Ubuntu "beryl crash when move a window" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82541
[09:57] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82542 in python-defaults (main) "jokosher python crash deleting a file" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82542
[09:57] <bdmurray> Okay, I'll look for one first.
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[10:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82544 in Ubuntu "When the network is unavailable, Ubuntu desktop doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82544
[10:03] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82545 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu installer fails to mark / bootable. System doesn't boot." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82545
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[10:17] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82546 in hplip (main) "hp-probe warning could be clearer" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82546
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[10:18] <manchicken> sfllaw: You about?>
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[10:22] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82548 in mono (main) "[apport]  mono crashed with SIGSEGV (right after login)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82548
[10:22] <sfllaw> manchicken: Indeed I am.
[10:23] <sfllaw> manchicken: How can I help you?
[10:23] <manchicken> I hit the join on the ubuntu-qa group in launchpad so that I might have more functionality to manage bugs.
[10:23] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82547 in xine-ui (universe) "xine core dumps on startup -  Floating point exception" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82547
[10:23] <manchicken> Particularly ones that are my fault ^_^
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[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82549 in tracker (universe) "tracker-extract crashed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82549
[10:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82550 in gnome-ppp (universe) "gnome-ppp isn't on basic installation" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82550
[10:27] <manchicken> sfllaw: And I hear you're the feller to talk to after signing up to join ubuntu-qa
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[10:28] <sfllaw> manchicken: Indeed!
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[10:43] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82551 in dbconfig-common (universe) "Please sync dbconfig-common (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82551
[10:43] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82552 in glade (main) "[apport]  glade-2 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82552
[10:44] <sfllaw> Wow, the new apport is pretty serious.
[10:46] <cowbud> sfllaw: serious?
[10:46] <ajmitch> sfllaw: some good improvements?
[10:47] <sfllaw> Check out bug 82552.
[10:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82552 in glade "[apport]  glade-2 crashed with SIGSEGV in g_closure_invoke()" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82552
[10:47] <sfllaw> That's pretty complete.
[10:47] <cowbud> damn it is
[10:47] <cowbud> does it do that all without the person having to go to the website to upload all that stuff?
[10:47] <DktrKranz> of course!
[10:48] <sfllaw> Yeah.
[10:48] <cowbud> god like
[10:48] <ajmitch> it'll help a bit
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[10:48] <DktrKranz> impressive
[10:48] <DktrKranz> does it keep track of dupes?
[10:48] <cowbud> did they come up with some sort of retention police of /var/crash ? that fills up and yet doesn't seem to get cleaned..im at 76 megs right now
[10:48] <sfllaw> DktrKranz: You should ask pitti.
[10:48] <DktrKranz> ok
[10:49] <sfllaw> cowbud: I think it gets cleaned when you file a bug.
[10:49] <sfllaw> I'm not sure though.
[10:49] <cowbud> sfllaw: so if you don't it sits there?
[10:49] <ajmitch> I think launchpad does dupe detection based on bug title now
[10:49] <sfllaw> ajmitch: It does something a bit more clever.
[10:49] <ajmitch> oh?
[10:49] <ajmitch> I thought it was just titles for now
[10:50] <ajmitch> & retitling the duplicate bug
[10:50] <sfllaw> I think it takes your title and matches it against descriptions as well.
[10:50] <ajmitch> useful
[10:50] <DktrKranz> good
[10:50] <bdmurray> There is apport cronjob that cleans it out weekly
[10:51] <DktrKranz> it could be even better if it searches through attachment
[10:51] <DktrKranz> e.g. by searching backtraces
[10:51] <ajmitch> I'd still love to see version info requested more strongly, as an actual bug property
[10:51] <ajmitch> but I think that's on the malone bug list now
[10:52] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82553 in glib1.2 (main) "libglib1.2-dev untrusted in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82553
[10:52] <ajmitch> I like debian's system of "bug found in 1.2.1, fixed in 1.2.3"
[10:52] <ajmitch> it let me generate a nice list of bugfixes we need in ubuntu
[10:53] <ajmitch> sfllaw: you may be interested in http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes.html
[10:54] <DktrKranz> ajmitch, how did you get that page?
[10:54] <sfllaw> ajmitch: That's probably something where you should automatically file bugs in LP.
[10:54] <sfllaw> :)
[10:55] <ajmitch> DktrKranz: by some analysis of the debian BTS
[10:56] <ajmitch> first, seeing what packages we had older versions
[10:56] <ajmitch> then finding all the closed bugs in debian for those packages
[10:56] <DktrKranz> is it generated by some script or "by hand"? :)
[10:56] <ajmitch> then finding the fixed version for each bug, and comparing it with the ubuntu version :)
[10:56] <ajmitch> by a script
[10:57] <ajmitch> sfllaw: 95% of them are going to be sync requests
[10:57] <DktrKranz> nice work :D
[10:57] <ajmitch> sfllaw: launchpad should be doing this automatically in the future
[10:57] <DktrKranz> aren't syncs taken regularly?
[10:58] <ajmitch> no
[10:58] <ajmitch> they were up until the autosyncer was turned off
[10:58] <DktrKranz> ah
[10:58] <ajmitch> but we need to track bugs fixed in debian, right up until release
[10:58] <ajmitch> only problem is that for it to work fast, I had to work on a mirror of the BTS data :)
[10:59] <DktrKranz> so in order to get a sync you have to file a new bug?
[10:59] <ajmitch> yes
[11:00] <ajmitch> eg bug 82551
[11:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82551 in dbconfig-common "Please sync dbconfig-common (universe) from unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82551
[11:00] <did448> sfllaw: is Bug 82529 new apport short version, without core?
[11:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82529 in scribus "[apport]  scribus crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82529
[11:00] <DktrKranz> i'm working on bug 81770
[11:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81770 in kexec-tools "[Sync Request]  kexec-tools 1.101-kdump10-2" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81770
[11:00] <ajmitch> if you're not a MOTU, you have to subsribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors (if it's in universe/multiverse)
[11:01] <DktrKranz> yes, i knew :D
[11:01] <DktrKranz> i'm not a MOTU ;)
[11:01] <ajmitch> I know
[11:01] <DktrKranz> just a wannabe, or something like that ;)
[11:01] <ajmitch> what are you working on with that bug though?
[11:01] <DktrKranz> btw, that bug requests a sync
[11:02] <DktrKranz> i'm not sure at all, though
[11:02] <ajmitch> ok, then it's not a bug you need to worry about :)
[11:02] <ajmitch> bugs are filed for workflow reasons like syncs, requesting that a debdiff be reviewed
[11:02] <sfllaw> did448: Yes, it appears so.
[11:02] <DktrKranz> ubuntu's has some changes to be analyzed before taking sync into consideration
[11:03] <DktrKranz> ajmitch, i've got a debdiff about it :)
[11:03] <DktrKranz> but it breaks compilation, actually
[11:04] <DktrKranz> so sync cannot be considered
[11:04] <ajmitch> but what does the debdiff do?
[11:04] <DktrKranz> it is for merging purposes
[11:05] <ajmitch> details
[11:05] <DktrKranz> pitti is not sure about sync
[11:05] <ajmitch> yes, if there's a debdiff, you made changes
[11:05] <DktrKranz> so i decided to take it for a review
[11:05] <ajmitch> what changes did you make? :)
[11:06] <ajmitch> have you talked about this with bddebian, who filed the sync request?
[11:06] <DktrKranz> !paste
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[11:06] <DktrKranz> here it is http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3641/
[11:07] <DktrKranz> it has some issues
[11:07] <DktrKranz> so i decided not to publish it yet
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[11:07] <bddebian> Actually BenC wants to add some patches to it, so that sync request should be rejected
[11:07] <ajmitch> any merge has to detail what ubuntu changes are remaining
[11:07] <ajmitch> hey bddebian
[11:07] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[11:08] <DktrKranz> hi bddebian
[11:08] <DktrKranz> did you ask him?
[11:08] <bddebian> Hello DktrKranz
[11:08] <bddebian> Did I ask who?
[11:09] <DktrKranz> benc
[11:09] <did448> sfllaw: IMO CoreDump.gz should be the only file not uploaded, in this case without dbg info disassembly.txt is interesting for dup.
[11:09] <bddebian> Yeah, I just talked to him today
[11:09] <DktrKranz> nice ;)
[11:09] <DktrKranz> so, no sync or merge in the next days, right?
[11:10] <bddebian> Probably not.  It didn't sound like he knew when he would be getting to it :-(
[11:10] <DktrKranz> ok
[11:10] <DktrKranz> i noticed debian's has some scrips
[11:10] <DktrKranz> *scripts
[11:10] <DktrKranz> in order to implement fast reboot
[11:11] <DktrKranz> maybe benc is working on them
[11:12] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82554 in firefox (main) "Just crashed unexpectedly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82554
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[11:14] <did448> Is using reportbug with a webmail possible? I'm ISPless and my vpn is down.
[11:16] <Burgwork> no, but you can report via the webpage
[11:16] <did448> Burgwork: for debian BTS too?
[11:16] <Burgwork> no idea
[11:17] <did448> Burgwork: thanks
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[11:25] <manchicken> sfllaw: So did you see my join request?
[11:26] <manchicken> I'm not sure I put in for the right group or not.
[11:26] <bdmurray> manchicken: do you have a list of bugs that you have triaged?
[11:27] <manchicken> Only bug 82431
[11:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82431 in adept "supported column disappears when package expanded" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82431
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[11:27] <manchicken> In the adept changes I made for feisty.
[11:32] <bdmurray> manchicken: one of the requirements for joining is having a list of bugs that you have triaged
[11:33] <manchicken> bdmurray: All I really want to do is be able to manage the bugs that come in for my changes.
[11:33] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82556 in Ubuntu "gnome clock (time)runs too fast on my acer ferrari amd64" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82556
[11:33] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82557 in firefox (main) "Firefox Noia 2.0.0.1 unstable in Ubuntu Edgy 6.10" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82557
[11:34] <manchicken> bdmurray: So do I just talk to a ubuntu-qa member when that time comes then?
[11:34] <DktrKranz> has such list to be on a wiki page?
[11:34] <manchicken> bdmurray: I honestly don't have a list of bugs I've triaged, I've only been working on making enhancements.
[11:35] <manchicken> bdmurray: All I know is I asked a question and I was told I need to join ubuntu-qa to change the importance of a bug, etc ^_^
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[11:37] <bdmurray> manchicken: I'm not sure I follow you when you say "my changes"
[11:38] <Lure> bdmurray: manchicken is working on adept enhancements for kubuntu
[11:38] <manchicken> bdmurray: I've made code changes to adept.  yuriy found and filed bugs for those changes.
[11:39] <bdmurray> manchicken: Okay, I'm not sure what the right thing to do is then.
[11:39] <manchicken> bdmurray: Nor am I ^_^
[11:39] <manchicken> bdmurray: If the answer is that I just bother someone when the time comes, I suppose that's the way it works ^_^
[11:40] <bdmurray> manchicken: lets do that in the mean time and you can bother me and I'll talk to sfllaw
[11:40] <bdmurray> manchicken: Is there one you want changed now?
[11:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82558 in Ubuntu "Network connection fails intermittently on feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82558
[11:41] <manchicken> yuriy said something about it last night, let me see if he changed it.
[11:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82559 in gaim (main) "gaim crashed unexpectedly" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82559
[11:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82560 in xserver-xgl (universe) "it closes unexpected of session" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82560
[11:41] <yuriy> manchicken: i did
[11:42] <yuriy> ah hug day time!
[11:43] <manchicken> Yup, he changed it.
[11:43] <manchicken> Speak of the devil ^_^
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[11:49] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82561 in apport (main) "[apport]  apport-retrace crashed with UnboundLocalError in add_package_info()" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82561
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[11:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82451 in tracker (universe) "(Feisty) DBUS hangs after Gnome Login" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82451
[11:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82562 in gnat-gps (universe) "gnat-gps crashes on creating a single project" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82562
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