[01:01] <mdke> mpt_: seems one can approve these things oneself
[01:02] <mpt_> mdke, I couldn't because as far as Launchpad knows I'm not involved :-)
[01:02] <mdke> hmm
[01:02] <mdke> silly launchpad!
[01:02] <mdke> mpt: so what do you have in mind in terms of presentation?
[01:06] <mpt> hmmmmm
[01:06] <mpt> two narrow columns
[01:07] <mpt> I have no basis at all for saying this, but I feel that topics would be clicked more often if on the right
[01:08] <mpt> and that would also be better flow for a sentence of instructions at the top left
[01:08] <mdke> you might be right. I noticed the other day that our mockup is staggeringly similar to the Windows XP help center
[01:08] <mpt> it is?
[01:08] <mpt> I thought theirs was horridly large and crowded
[01:08] <mdke> well, the layout is basically the same
[01:08] <mdke> topics down the left, frequently asked questions and other resources in the body
[01:09] <mpt> huh, so it is
[01:09] <mdke> anyway, I really hope Don will helpout with this patch and we can at least have something that works to build from
[01:09] <mdke> http://www.wellesley.edu/Computing/WinXP/images/help.jpg
[01:10] <mpt> I was just looking at http://www.beansoftware.com/ASP.NET-Tutorials/images/Windows-XP-Help.jpg
[01:10] <mpt> I wonder what determines the color scheme
[01:10] <mdke> that's with themes turned off
[01:10] <mpt> oh, probably Luna vs. Classic
[01:13] <mdke> we also need to get people contributing a bit more. Right now the only people spamming the commit list are me and nixternal
[01:14] <mpt> Is there now any legal problem with copying stuff from the wiki into the help?
[01:15] <mdke> mpt: well, we haven't actually implemented the license change on the wiki yet. But really, it's never stopped us before
[01:18] <mpt> :-] 
[01:24] <bdmurray> howdy
[01:24] <mdke> hiya bdmurray
[01:26] <bdmurray> I was thinking about maybe having some documentation about filing bugs for Feisty or using apport.
[01:26] <mdke> bdmurray: did you see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs already?
[01:27] <mdke> you might be able to build on that
[01:28] <bdmurray> okay, cool.  I think some documentation about apport would help too.
[01:28] <mdke> yeah
[01:28] <mdke> is there not some on the main wiki that can be pillaged?
[01:28] <bdmurray> I wonder how many people actually view the chiark url about filing good bugs
[01:29] <mdke> very few, probably. Better to have a few basic points in the text of the wiki page
[01:29] <mdke> bdmurray: you seem like an ideal person to have a look at bug 74555, by the way :) Are you able to help chase that up?
[01:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74555 in ubuntu-docs "SRU: [Edgy]  Upgraded documentation" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74555
[01:29] <bdmurray> mdke: heh, good one
[01:29] <bdmurray> I can look at it
[01:30] <mdke> thanks, it shouldn't be controversial
[01:30] <mdke> I have another sru I want to do, so getting that out the way would be helpful
[01:32] <Burgwork> bdmurray: how many QA people does Ubuntu have now?
[01:32] <bdmurray> 2? we've doubled in size!
[01:33] <bdmurray> I'm not clear on the quantity exactly though.
[01:33] <bdmurray> Is there any talk of an update to the Ubuntu book?
[01:34] <Burgwork> yes, there will be an update
[01:34] <Burgwork> I (and others) are working on it right now
[01:35] <Burgwork> what about all your shiny interns?
[01:36] <bdmurray> those are sfllaw's
[01:36] <Burgwork> ah
[01:36] <Burgwork> you don't get any?
[01:36] <bdmurray> nah, I might put my kids to work though
[01:36] <nixternal> I am in Ubuntu-QA, and I know Simon is and Daniel, so there are more than 2 :)
[01:36] <Burgwork> nixternal: you ain't paid
[01:37] <Burgwork> talking Canonical QA people
[01:37] <bdmurray> so I think there are 2 people whose primary duty is bug work / QA
[01:37] <bdmurray> Whereas Daniel is mostly dev
[01:38] <LaserJock> daniel's job is to look pretty and give hugs
[01:38] <bdmurray> and smile
[01:38] <LaserJock> I don't know that I've seen such a smiley guy in my life
[01:39] <bdmurray> nor I
[01:40] <nixternal> ahh
[01:45] <mdke> Joker?
[01:47] <mdke> even he struggles to keep up with the Holbach though
[03:51] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: will * r3740 ubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: Fixed "add applications" link caused by directory restructuring
[04:32] <quazar> hey, what package do I need to install to get the man page for getnameinfo.3
[04:32] <quazar> or better yet, how do I figure out the package name for myself?
[09:21] <mdke> linuxphotogeek: can you revert that last commit with the links? As per mailing list, we still need to discuss how to do the links, and I think we'll probably use another method; it will be easier to use sed to change them if they are all as they were
[10:40] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3741 ubuntu/musicvideophotos/C/musicvideophotos.xml: reverting Will's last commit
[10:41] <mdke> linuxphotogeek: I've reverted it myself ^^
[11:37] <linuxphotogeek> mdke: my misunderstanding
[11:37] <mdke> linuxphotogeek: cool. If no one else replies to the relevant thread, we'll sort the links out soon
[11:41] <linuxphotogeek> I was wondering if there was some sort of docbook equivalent to DocumentRoot
[11:42] <linuxphotogeek> It would eliminate all the ../../../../
[11:43] <mdke> linuxphotogeek: no, I don't think so. Docbook isn't really made for linking between files. But the type="help" url="ghelp" stuff should be a bit easier