[12:30] <TheMuso> Question to fellow MOTUs. If a package from Debian claims to comply with python policy, yet lintian states "E: gramps source: missing-dh_python-build-dependency python | python-dev | python-all-dev", should I fix that as part of the merge, and notify upstream?
[12:31] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: is that the lintian on revu, or the lintian on your system?
[12:31] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Lintian on my feisty chroot.
[12:31] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: THis package has nothing to do with revu
[12:31] <TheMuso> I am doing an updated merge for a package
[12:32] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:32] <TheMuso> i.e already merged previously, and has been updated in Debian.
[12:32] <Hobbsee> hrm.  not sure.  i'd say fix and notify, but dont take my word for it
[12:32] <Hobbsee> hey phanatic 
[12:32] <sistpoty> TheMuso: have you checked bts yet? does it build? does the result look sane/piuparts working?
[12:32] <phanatic> heya Hobbsee 
[12:33] <sistpoty> TheMuso: if all answers are yes, then I'd not fix it, otherwise fix + report
[12:33] <TheMuso> sistpoty: Was going to get around to that but I'm just checking
[12:40] <Adri2000> sistpoty: I can upload cinepaint to edgy-updates now, right?
[12:41] <TheMuso> Adri2000: Hav eyou gone through the sru process?
[12:41] <TheMuso> have you even
[12:41] <sistpoty> Adri2000: yes... do you want to do it? otherwise I'll throw it up.
[12:41] <ajmitch> Toadstool: considering that it's a script I just wrote up in the last 2 days, it's not automated :)
[12:41] <Adri2000> TheMuso: yep: https://launchpad.net/bugs/65457
[12:41] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 65457 in cinepaint "[SRU]  cinepaint has unmet dependencies" [Medium,Fix committed]  
[12:41] <TheMuso> Righto.
[12:42] <TheMuso> ooo lovely.
[12:42] <Adri2000> sistpoty: I will upload it tomorrow :)
[12:42] <TheMuso> 80MB of dependancies for pbuilder to download.
[12:42] <sistpoty> Adri2000: if you wait 'til tomorrow, I'll just do the upload, since I'm actually currently preparing one ;)
[12:43] <Adri2000> ah ok then, do it :)
[12:43] <Adri2000> sistpoty: you use the same debdiff with just s/edgy-proposed/edgy-updates/ ?
[12:44] <Adri2000> and version change
[12:44] <sistpoty> Adri2000: actually I pull the source from -proposed, and then add the testers to the changelog entry...
[12:46] <sistpoty> Adri2000: ah... looking at the main updates, I guess I'll add another changelog entry which states about testing, instead of modifying the -proposed one :)
[12:47] <Adri2000> ok
[12:48] <Adri2000> actually now motu-sru do all the uploads during the sru process
[12:49] <sistpoty> Adri2000: yes, in the hope that it's faster... and actually I'm just hurring a bit right now, since I want to send out the new sru-report (and thus want motu-sru's queue empty *g*)
[12:49] <geser> TheMuso: dh_python is deprecated nowadays. The package should use python-central or python-support
[12:49] <Adri2000> sistpoty: okay :)
[12:49] <sistpoty> Adri2000: but I don't have any problems, if another motu does the uploading... as long as he leaves a comment to the bug that it's uploaded ;)
[12:50] <geser> TheMuso: but if you still need dh_python you should b-d on python (if no other b-d pulls it in) as dh_python is in python
[12:50] <Adri2000> anyone is merging gramps?
[12:50] <Adri2000> if not, that will be my first upload
[12:51] <ajmitch> Adri2000: isn't that what TheMuso is just doing?
[12:52] <Adri2000> oops!
[12:52] <Adri2000> right
[12:53] <geser> TheMuso: after a quick look at the diff.gz for gamps: simply remove dh_python as it is a no-op
[12:57] <Toadstool> ajmitch: oh ok
[12:58] <ajmitch> Toadstool: so I'm still fixing issues that come up
[01:01] <Toadstool> sure :)
[01:01] <TheMuso> geser: Thanks.
[01:03] <sistpoty> geser: did you add ubuntu versioning to dch (devscripts)?
[01:03] <geser> sistpoty: yes
[01:04] <sistpoty> geser: it's a regression for sru-business :P
[01:04] <sistpoty> geser: ~proposed1 will get a suffix now
[01:04] <TheMuso> geser: no-op?
[01:04] <TheMuso> I get the gist, but ?
[01:05] <geser> sistpoty: forgot to check with those versions
[01:05] <geser> TheMuso: man dh_python
[01:05] <keescook> it broken security versioning too.  I added a little test case for that stuff.
[01:05] <TheMuso> righto
[01:06] <keescook> add some more version styles to test/debchange.pl if you fix it up.  :)
[01:06] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:06] <geser> will look at it in the morning
[01:07] <geser> keescook: what about the distribution in those cases?
[01:07] <geser> keep if the last one is a ubuntu one?
[01:08] <keescook> geser: for security updates?  nah, doesn't help; sometimes it's "unstable", sometimes the package didn't change for 2 releases, etc.
[01:08] <keescook> I always have to change it anyway, so I don't mind that it always says "feisty".  :)
[01:10] <sistpoty> yay, I guess feisty is fine... if I forget that in a sru, it should get rejected due to a lower version number :)
[01:19] <zul> heylo
[01:38] <geser> sistpoty: I've added the following checks: '1.2-3ubuntu0.1~prop1' => '1.2-3ubuntu0.1~prop2', '1.2-3ubuntu0.1~proposed1' => '1.2-3ubuntu0.1~proposed2' for dch
[01:38] <sistpoty> geser: cool, great :)
[01:38] <geser> are they sufficient or have I missed something
[01:38] <geser> ?
[01:38] <sistpoty> geser: maybe keescook needs others too?
[01:39] <geser> how I have to patch dch to also pass them :)
[01:39] <keescook> sistpoty: I'm happy with dch; I've got my tests in there.  :)
[01:40] <geser> keescook: how should something like 2.0-2ubuntu0.5.04 be increased?
[01:41] <sistpoty> keescook: btw., I'm just writing a short motu-swat report... wanna proof-read once I'm done?
[01:41] <zul> imbrandon: ping
[01:42] <keescook> sistpoty: sure!
[01:42] <TheMuso> Sweeeeet!
[01:42] <sistpoty> keescook: ok, give me ~30 mins, then I should have all the info gathered ;)
[01:43] <ajmitch> TheMuso: it won't be long
[01:43] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I am pacient.
[01:43] <TheMuso> patient
[01:56] <imbrandon> zul, pong
[01:57] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Hey dude!
[01:57] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso 
[01:57] <TheMuso> I have now joined the MOTU ranks.
[01:57] <sistpoty> hi imbrandon
[01:57] <imbrandon> nice TheMuso congrats\
[01:57] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[01:58] <imbrandon> excorcised your new found powers yet?
[01:59] <TheMuso> Not quite yet.
[01:59] <TheMuso> Just checking a merge before uploading.
[01:59] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[01:59] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon 
[01:59] <imbrandon> TheMuso, cool
[02:04] <ajmitch> link to ubuntu package on the left takes you to the bugs page so you can see pending sync requests
[02:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch, you got the script working ?
[02:05] <ajmitch> imbrandon: sure
[02:05] <imbrandon> nice
[02:05] <imbrandon> url?
[02:05] <Toadstool> oh cool
[02:05] <ajmitch> using a local copy of the BTS :)
[02:05] <imbrandon> nice
[02:05] <ajmitch> so it makes it less useful for other people to run, sadly
[02:05] <LaserJock> we only need 1
[02:06] <imbrandon> well i more mean the output
[02:06] <Toadstool> imbrandon: http://ajmitch.net.nz/~ajmitch/missing-fixes-rc.html
[02:06] <ajmitch> output is in the topic
[02:06] <Toadstool> or topic yeah :)
[02:07] <ajmitch> drop the -rc for the whole list
[02:07] <imbrandon> nice
[02:08] <TheMuso> Does anybody have any favourite options they like using with dput?
[02:08] <TheMuso> For sanity's sake?
[02:08] <ajmitch> 'dput ubuntu foo.changes'
[02:08] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I know.
[02:08] <TheMuso> I just thought there may be options that people may use.
[02:08] <ajmitch> though I did turn on the progress option in the config
[02:09] <sistpoty> keescook: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3531/
[02:09] <TheMuso> ajmitch: What config option is that?
[02:09] <ajmitch> progress_indicator = 2
[02:09] <TheMuso> thanks
[02:09] <keescook> sistpoty: cool, looks good
[02:10] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I just hope it's useful
[02:10] <sistpoty> keescook: ok, I'll fire that of to ubuntu-motu... should I cc another mailing list as well?
[02:10] <imbrandon> ajmitch, looks to be
[02:11] <keescook> sistpoty: I'm pondering security-review... maybe there too?
[02:12] <sistpoty> keescook: ok, will do
[02:13] <sistpoty> haha, kmail asked me if I forget an attachment (since I wrote s.th. about "attached")
[02:13] <Lathiat> yeh
[02:13] <Lathiat> that is the worlds most usefull feature _ever_
[02:13] <ajmitch> trying to be too smart
[02:13] <geser> sistpoty, keescook : can you test the patch from bug #82393 ?
[02:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82393 in devscripts "Fix version increment for versions ending in ~prop(osed)?1" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82393
[02:14] <imbrandon> heh i like that, i have used ti many times
[02:14] <imbrandon> when i forgot to attach something
[02:15] <keescook> geser: looks good.  I don't have time to build it ATM, though
[02:16] <geser> it's not important enough to get uploaded now
[02:21] <sistpoty> geser: nice, works for me (tm)
[02:45] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[02:50] <ScottK> Heya bddebian.
[02:50] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:50] <bddebian> Hi ScottK
[02:51] <ScottK> The reason I fixed all that stuff is MOTUs (IIRC LaserJock or crimsun) told me to.
[02:51] <ScottK> It's been an interesting 'learning experience'
[02:51] <bddebian> Is the Debian package not well maintained?
[02:51] <ScottK> It appears that way to me.
[02:51] <bddebian> OK
[02:52] <ScottK> You decide: http://lintian.debian.org/reports/mStefan_Hornburg__Racke_.html#courier
[02:52] <ScottK> Gotta go finish cleaning the kitchen.  BBL.
[02:53] <LaserJock> what did I do?
[02:54] <bddebian> Making poor ScottK slave away on courier :-)
[02:54] <ajmitch> LaserJock: no idea
[02:54] <ajmitch> LaserJock: I'd say you drove him mad
[02:54] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: you'll live, get over it, etc :)
[02:55] <bddebian> Did karma get chopped again?
[02:56] <Fujitsu> bddebian, I want from 3m to 10k
[02:56] <Fujitsu> *went
[02:56] <bddebian> w00t
[02:59] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I've got 4k
[02:59] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, impressive.
[02:59] <LaserJock> Mark said he thinks it's be log()'d
[02:59] <LaserJock> *been
[02:59] <Fujitsu> Mark == sabdfl?
[02:59] <LaserJock> which was what I was hoping for
[02:59] <LaserJock> yes
[03:00] <Fujitsu> OK...
[03:00] <LaserJock> it's been suggested before
[03:00] <Fujitsu> Noted.
[03:00] <LaserJock> and I think it's a good idea
[03:00] <ajmitch> many months ago
[03:01] <Fujitsu> I think we should have probably been told it was happening, though :-/
[03:01] <Fujitsu> Gah, +topcontributors is timing out again.
[03:01] <LaserJock> well, I think it might have happened along with a bug fix
[03:01] <LaserJock> I'm told they are working on a proper announcement
[03:01] <LaserJock> seems like it's better to do that *before* you roll it out but oh well ;-)
[03:02] <ajmitch> meh
[03:02] <TheMuso> Heya Fujitsu 
[03:02] <ajmitch> why do people care? :)
[03:02] <TheMuso> LaserJock: What are we talking about?
[03:04] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I don't for sure
[03:04] <LaserJock> but people do
[03:04] <ajmitch> seems like a lot of people do
[03:04] <LaserJock> TheMuso: karma got a drastic change
[03:04] <TheMuso> ah
[03:04] <ajmitch> everyone should get back to fixing bugs now
[03:04] <ajmitch> or else
[03:04] <LaserJock> I guess if I was trying to make member or get on a team or something
[03:04] <LaserJock> but I've never had much karma
[03:05] <bddebian> Holy crap, courier is 10Mb
[03:05] <ajmitch> noone can have as much karma as bddebian 
[03:05] <bddebian> ajmitch: I don't have as much as Fujitsu apaprently
[03:05] <bddebian> Err apparently even
[03:06] <ajmitch> lies
[03:06] <ajmitch> karma *must* be broken on lp
[03:06] <LaserJock> crimsun's got a lot
[03:06] <bddebian> https://launchpad.net/~bddebian
[03:06] <ajmitch> crimsun is beyond mere karma
[03:06] <bddebian> crimsun must have Mega-karma ;-P
[03:07] <ajmitch> they probably scaled karma to avoid integer wraparound for crimsun 
[03:07] <LaserJock> hmm, diety-karma?
[03:07] <LaserJock> haha
[03:07] <LaserJock> 64-bit karma just for crimsun
[03:07] <ajmitch> wow
[03:07] <ajmitch> I didn't realise crimsun actually had a hackergotchi
[03:07] <LaserJock> really?
[03:08] <somerville32> He does?
[03:08] <ajmitch> look at his page
[03:08] <zul> kind of gangster like ;)
[03:09] <LaserJock> look at all the emblems
[03:09] <somerville32> That must be new
[03:09] <LaserJock> shesh
[03:09] <ajmitch> does this mean that crimsun actually exists?
[03:09] <somerville32> LaserJock, I have almost as many
[03:10] <LaserJock> seb still has 94k
[03:10] <bddebian> Gonna need 64 bit just for his list of teams :-)
[03:11] <somerville32> omgz!!
[03:11] <somerville32> What happened to all my karma!!
[03:11] <LaserJock> goodness
[03:11] <LaserJock> that's what we've been talking about
[03:11] <bddebian> Oh, I wanna join motu-swat just to get the sword icon!
[03:13] <somerville32> I almost have more karma then bddebian :D
[03:13] <bddebian> Good for you! :-)
[03:14] <TheMuso> Screw carma!
[03:14] <LaserJock> obviously
[03:17] <somerville32> Karma lets me know that I'm alive.
[03:17] <TheMuso> I assume the whole karma thing with launchpad is meaningless?
[03:18] <TheMuso> somerville32: SO when are you going to join the MOTU ranks?
[03:18] <somerville32> TheMuso: When people tell me to ;] 
[03:18] <somerville32> And not just one person
[03:18] <somerville32> I mean, a general consensus of the regulars here in -motu
[03:18] <bddebian> TheMuso: Apparently not to some :)
[03:19] <somerville32> TheMuso: re karma, I'll manage but it'll be a struggle ;] 
[03:19] <bddebian> It's enough for me just to get all the love I do from ajmitch :_)
[03:19] <zul> karma is overated
[03:19] <TheMuso> zul: Concur.
[03:20] <somerville32> Karma is like a badge
[03:20] <somerville32> You've earned it, why not wear it? ;] 
[03:20] <zul> no it isnt
[03:20] <TheMuso> MOTU is a badge.
[03:20] <TheMuso> Which reminds me.
[03:20] <TheMuso> I should update my CV>
[03:21] <bddebian> "Badges, we don't need no stinking badges"
[03:21] <ajmitch> bddebian: I try & server
[03:21] <ajmitch> s/server/serve/
[03:21] <bddebian> :-)
[03:22] <somerville32> TheMuso: I want to join MOTU but I've only been packaging for a few weeks now. So as I said, I'll just continue to contribute until the powers that be feel I'm ready :)
[03:23] <bddebian> ajmitch: I'm building courier, does that count? :)
[03:23] <ajmitch> no
[03:23] <bddebian> :'-(
[03:47] <TheMuso> When requesting a package sync for a package athat isn't a merge, i.e package in Ubuntu doesn't have ubuntu specific changes, what motive does one give in the report?
[03:51] <ajmitch> one just files it
[03:52] <ajmitch> one does not need to give justification before UVF
[03:52] <TheMuso> Righto.
[03:52] <somerville32> TheMuso: It has no ubuntu specific changes at all??
[03:53] <somerville32> TheMuso: Most packages that are synced do ubuntu changelog entries
[03:53] <TheMuso> somerville32: I am referring to a package from ajmitch's generated pages.
[03:53] <TheMuso> Well the one I have picked does not.
[03:53] <somerville32> Oh
[03:53] <somerville32> Interesting
[03:54] <somerville32> That might be a bug then because to change the version of the package, you have to make a changelog entry
[03:55] <somerville32> ajmitch: cool thinger
[03:55] <somerville32> ajmitch, It is updated?
[03:56] <somerville32> ajmitch, *Is it updated?
[03:56] <TheMuso> ajmitch: These pages rock! I was just about to ask about the lp link, and I found it. :)
[03:56] <jdong> would there be any objection if I began preparing newer ntfs-3g packages for upload into Feisty?
[03:57] <jdong> Debian and Ubuntu are still on the 20061031 snapshots
[03:57] <jdong> and the New Year release resolves lots of performance issues with large files and torrent-like behavior
[04:01] <bddebian> No objection from me
[04:01] <jdong> http://ntfs-3g.org/releases.html
[04:01] <jdong> changelog is there
[04:02] <jdong> ntfs-3g is surprisingly commonly used by Ubuntu users coming from Windows
[04:02] <jdong> and i'd like to keep it as up to date as I can :)
[04:02] <TheMuso> jdong: Are you by chance a filesystem junky? :)
[04:03] <jdong> TheMuso: does running a reiser4 root and having a deployment of each journaled filesystems count as being such? :)
[04:03] <ajmitch> somerville32: no
[04:03] <TheMuso> jdong: Yes that enough for me. :)
[04:06] <jdong> urgh
[04:06] <jdong> who was the one trying to update fuse to 2.6.0?
[04:06] <TheMuso> haha
[04:07] <TheMuso> So as a MOTU, we can now subscribe ubuntu-archive to any syncs we request?
[04:07] <ajmitch> yes
[04:07] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Thanks.
[04:07] <ajmitch> the requestsync script makes it all easy
[04:07] <TheMuso> Still getting the hang of all this, now that I don't have someone looking over my shoulder as it were.
[04:08] <TheMuso> ajmitch: URL?
[04:08] <ajmitch> was on DeveloperResources
[04:08] <TheMuso> ah thanks
[04:10] <bddebian> Man courier's packaging is ugly :-(
[04:12] <ajmitch> jdong: givre was wanting 2.6.1
[04:12] <jdong> ah, givre... :)
[04:17] <TheMuso> haha
[04:21] <bddebian> OMG forget this.  The templates in courier are a grammatical nightmare
[04:21] <bddebian> ScottK: Wake up! :-)
[04:22] <crimsun> jdong: coordinate w/ fabbione wrt fuse, please. It'll block ntfs-3g anyhow.
[04:23] <crimsun> bddebian: why would [how could]  you bow to yourself?
[04:23] <bddebian> I am FAR from the master
[04:23] <bddebian> Well bater maybe
[04:23] <crimsun> wow, you've transcended time & space, too? ;)
[04:23] <bddebian> heh
[04:24] <ajmitch> crimsun: of course, he's a deity
[04:24] <crimsun> true that.
[04:24] <bddebian> Man, I hate to throw stones but the maintainer of courier needs to be gutted
[04:24] <jdong> crimsun: I realized how it blocks :)
[04:24] <jdong> about 1 minute getting my hands dirty :)
[04:28] <ScottK> bddebian: Am here.
[04:29] <bddebian> ScottK: Get to fixin man, these are fairly straightforward.  The templates need some serious grammatical clean-up :-(
[04:30] <bddebian> ScottK: Use 'lintin -i' to get more specific information on the errors/warnings
[04:31] <ScottK> bddebian: My question is how not fubar do we make it for a merge?
[04:31] <bddebian> Well if we are going to "fix it" we should fix it IMO
[04:32] <bddebian> Is there any chance that there is a newer upstream?
[04:33] <LaserJock> what does the "verification-motu-needed" tag mean?
[04:33] <crimsun> it means 5 testers are needed
[04:33] <ajmitch> for SRU
[04:34] <Fujitsu> Gah.
[04:34] <LaserJock> but they don't have to be MOTUs right?
[04:34] <Fujitsu> Its Intelligent Mail Filter intelligently decided to drop every piece of mail.
[04:34] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, correct. They can be anyone.
[04:34] <LaserJock> I'm a little confused by that tag
[04:34] <Fujitsu> derfghkjl;'] 
[04:34] <Fujitsu> Gah.
[04:34] <ajmitch> quite Intelligent
[04:34] <Fujitsu> asdfghjkl;'
[04:34] <Fujitsu> Damnit, I need to protect my keyboard from others >_>
[04:35] <ajmitch> others?
[04:35] <LaserJock> multiple personalities
[04:38] <LaserJock> man, SRUs are just not fun
[04:38] <LaserJock> there's too many things to do and lose track of
[04:38] <LaserJock> or maybe it's just me
[04:38] <crimsun> TheMuso: / tepsipakki: / Adri2000: congrats!
[04:39] <TheMuso> crimsun: Thanks a lot, and as I said earlier, thanks for your support.
[04:39] <TheMuso> Now the core-dev apprenticeship begins.
[04:39] <crimsun> my pleasure
[04:40] <LaserJock> verification-motu-needed should be universe-verification-needed
[04:41] <TheMuso> bddebian: More MOTUs.
[04:42] <TheMuso> The more actual MOTUs there are IMO, the quicker things can proceed.
[04:42] <TheMuso> Tis fine that we have to review, but it does slow things up a bit.
[04:42] <TheMuso> So there will probably be a point where some of us can dedicate some time to reviewing, while others fix things.
[04:42] <TheMuso> But that is probably not for a while.
[04:42] <crimsun> LaserJock: that's reasonable by me. Propose it on -motu along with a protocol for migrating to it (new tag, searching for old, tagging with new, removing old, updating the universe SRU wiki)?
[04:44] <LaserJock> crimsun: do you think it's a good idea? I was just confused because I assumed it meant that I needed a MOTU ack
[04:44] <LaserJock> so I was a bit confused
[04:45] <crimsun> the current tag can be misleading, yes, so I think it's worth proposing to -motu.
[04:46] <crimsun> I'm happy that there are more people involved in testing -proposed packages, too.
[04:52] <bddebian> ScottK: If you don't feel like fixing them, let me know and I'll give them a shot
[04:53] <ScottK> There is a newer upstream release.
[04:53] <bddebian> Hmm.. What version?
[04:53] <ScottK> 54.2
[04:54] <ScottK> Debian is 53.2
[04:54] <ScottK> Sorry Debian is 53.3
[04:54] <ScottK> If I actually used courier I'd be a lot more fired up on work over a package this hard.
[04:55] <ScottK> Given the current backlog, I think it's probably prudent to declare victory and move on.
[04:55] <ScottK> There's more important fixing that you and I could both be working on.
[04:56] <bddebian> Nah, I never do anything important :-)
[04:57] <LaserJock> ajmitch: another use for - karma ^^
[04:57] <LaserJock> bddebian gets -5 each time he complains about being useless
[04:58] <bddebian> Oh come on, bluefoxicy has like a gazillion karma, what does that tell you? :-)
[04:58] <ajmitch> oh dear
[04:58] <ajmitch> he'd be like crimsun, except the wraparound would be in the other direction
[04:58] <LaserJock> heh
[04:59] <LaserJock> bddebian: that he likes writing specs? ;-)
[04:59] <bddebian> :-)
[05:00] <bluefoxicy> bddebian:  it tells me I talk and I have a nice hair cut.
[05:00] <bddebian> heh
[05:01] <ScottK> bddebian: Here's the upstream changes we aren't getting from Debian yet: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3546/
[05:01] <ScottK> Anybody here actually USE courier?
[05:01] <bddebian> Not me
[05:02] <LaserJock> I don't know what my mail server uses
[05:02] <bddebian> ScottK: Wow, that's some major changes eh? :)
[05:03] <Fujitsu> I do.
[05:03] <Lathiat> we use courier here
[05:03] <ScottK> Fujitsu: Maybe you should wrangle the courier package then?
[05:03] <Lathiat> its a piece of shit, use dovecot ;)
[05:05] <LaserJock> so what if we can't get people to test an update?
[05:05] <ScottK> LaserJock: The mail receiver for your domain runs Exim.
[05:06] <LaserJock> ScottK: oh, nice to know :-)
[05:07] <ScottK> So I know that with the current patch I uploaded it basically works and is unlikely to catch someone's server on fire.
[05:07] <ScottK> Beyond that, you need a real courier user to test it out.
[05:08] <ScottK> Fujitsu wasn't kidding about running was he?
[05:09] <ScottK> Up to you all with more experience at this than me, but I'd say ship it.
[05:09] <bddebian> heh
[05:15] <Yeshu> FUCKKK
[05:19] <ScottK> I guess that means we ship it.
[05:19] <somerville32> Riddell, sladen: ping
[05:19] <ScottK> Man.  I killed the conversation and I didn't even ask for a package revu....
[05:20] <bddebian> heh
[05:26] <ScottK> bddebian: I say apply the patch and move on.  If someone wants it prettier later, they can do an ubuntu2 patch.
[05:46] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!
[05:47] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee 
[05:48] <TheMuso> She who wheelds the long pointy stick of doom has decided to grace us with her presence once again. :)
[05:48] <Hobbsee> hey ajmitch, LaserJock!
[05:52] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: indeed :)
[05:56] <somerville32> Hobbsee, <<
[06:19] <TheMuso> What is meant by target release in the requestsync usage?
[06:19] <sladen> somerville32: pong
[06:23] <ajmitch> TheMuso: feisty
[06:23] <somerville32> sladen: <<
[06:25] <TheMuso> THought so, but wasn't entirely sure.
[06:25] <TheMuso> Thanks again.
[06:25] <TheMuso> And does one give the script the .dsc file name for the source package?
[06:25] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Have you looked at gspca from the merge list yet?  You were the last to upload it.
[06:26] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i glanced at it, havent looked further
[06:26] <ScottK> It looks to me like it likely is a sync vice a merge now, but if you're amenable, I'll look into it?
[06:26] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, `requestsync packagename feisty' will do fine.
[06:26] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Righto.
[06:27] <Fujitsu> (it determines the latest version in unstable)
[06:28] <bddebian> No, I'm busy playing Oblivion
[06:28] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: right
[06:28] <Hobbsee> ScottK: sure.  i'll sponsor if you look
[06:29] <ScottK> Thanks.  Looking.
[06:30] <DarkMageZ> bddebian, was that ported to linux?
[06:37] <bddebian> DarkMageZ: Not hardly :-)
[06:38] <DarkMageZ> yeah, i did a google and noticed everyone saying wine & cedgea.
[06:45] <bddebian> I run it on Windows.
[06:50] <DarkMageZ> tries to avoid ubuntu firefox vs windows firefox comments.
[06:50] <TheMuso> heh
[06:51] <TheMuso> Bah. If you can avoid getting your net connection shaped, either by not downloading over your limit or some other means, try to do so.
[06:51] <TheMuso> 64kbps REALLY SUCKS!!
[06:51] <Fujitsu> 28kbps sucks worse!
[06:51] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: I can imagine.
[06:51] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: How much has that bitten you?
[06:52] <DarkMageZ> 128kbps shared with around 100 people sucks :P
[06:52] <Fujitsu> A lot before a couple of months ago, when I upgraded to the next plan.
[06:52] <TheMuso> fun
[06:52] <Fujitsu> Generally more than half of each month,.
[06:52] <TheMuso> OUCH
[06:52] <TheMuso> I guess there are big downloaders in your family? :)
[06:53] <Fujitsu> Not particularly. 1GB doesn't go far.
[06:53] <TheMuso> s/is/his/
[06:53] <TheMuso> ooooooouch
[06:53] <TheMuso> Twould also suck that you have no quota free mirrors.
[06:53] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[06:53] <DarkMageZ> Fujitsu, would you like me to call social services for you?... geez... 1GB a month...
[06:54] <Fujitsu> I'm on 12/24 now.
[06:54] <DarkMageZ> but what's the download limit?
[06:54] <DarkMageZ> oh
[06:54] <Fujitsu> 12/24.
[06:54] <DarkMageZ> yeah, i misread. was thinking you moved to adsl 2.
[06:55] <Fujitsu> Ah, no. Still 10M/256K cable.
[06:55] <TheMuso> 10m is better than what most people get.
[06:55] <TheMuso> on ADSL.
[06:55] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[06:55] <Fujitsu> But the 256k isnt great.
[06:56] <Fujitsu> *isn't
[06:57] <DarkMageZ> 256k upload isn't bad, compared to the adsl available in most areas
[06:58] <TheMuso> Its alright.
[06:58] <TheMuso> I'm used to it on my 1500 connection.
[06:58] <ScottK> For a sync request, I file a bug requesting synch of <package><version> and since it previously had a -ubuntu variant why that's not needed anymore?  And I subscribe UUS?
[06:59] <bddebian> Yep
[07:00] <ScottK> OK.
[07:02] <TheMuso> Is there a reason why some of these packages weren't synced even when autosync was running?
[07:03] <bddebian> Uhm, because they have ubuntu changes?
[07:04] <TheMuso> bddebian: Not necessarily.
[07:04] <TheMuso> I have found two packages that have not had one Ubuntu change.
[07:04] <TheMuso> From ajmitch's package list.
[07:05] <ScottK> Did the Debian update hit after autosync was closed down for Feisty?
[07:05] <bddebian> Dunno about ajmitch's list.  But there are some packages that are blacklisted, some that may have been new, etc, etc
[07:05] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Bug #82419 for gspca sync
[07:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82419 in gspca "[Sync Request] Request sync of gspca-01.00.12-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82419
[07:05] <TheMuso> bddebian: These packages were both in Ubuntu and Debian.
[07:06] <LaserJock> TheMuso: example?
[07:06] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Example of what?
[07:06] <bddebian> Of a package
[07:06] <LaserJock> what packages are you talking about
[07:06] <TheMuso> both fpc and freetennis had bugs and issues that needed resolving.
[07:06] <TheMuso> fpc's version in Ubuntu was old old old as.
[07:07] <TheMuso> freetennis had some multi-arch probs that need fixing.
[07:07] <TheMuso> I have subsequently requested syncs for those.
[07:08] <LaserJock> freetennis was only updated 3 days ago
[07:09] <TheMuso> ah yeah well fair enough
[07:10] <LaserJock> and fpc has been since the 16th
[07:10] <TheMuso> right
[07:10] <TheMuso> I'm with you now.
[07:10] <TheMuso> heh all this stuff one is unaware of when he is only an apprentice.
[07:11] <bddebian> Don't sweat it, I still struggle with a lot of this crap :)
[07:12] <TheMuso> I'm not worried.
[07:12] <TheMuso> I'll get the hang of things in time.
[07:12] <ScottK> LaserJock: Would you have a moment to re-revu a package while I work on merging?
[07:13] <LaserJock> ScottK: I don't think so, sorry. I'm leaving for a conference tomorrow morning and I'm trying to get everything ready
[07:13] <ScottK> OK.
[07:13] <LaserJock> I'm not in a good position to do a full-on review
[07:13] <ScottK> NP.
[07:14] <ScottK> Understand though about getting ready to leave for the conference.
[07:14] <TheMuso> ScottK: Dude I would, but I'm only new to this, and I want a week or so to settle in.
[07:15] <ScottK> TheMuso: Would it help any if I said LaserJock already reviewed it in depth once and I fixed all the stuff he told me too...
[07:15] <LaserJock> *cough* LaserJock is probably full of crap *cough* ;-)
[07:16] <TheMuso> ScottK: Not really. I am still trying to bring myself to trust my own work without it being reviewed.
[07:16] <TheMuso> SO am not quite ready to review just yet.
[07:16] <ScottK> Understand.
[07:16] <ScottK> I didn't think it would change your mind, but one hopes.
[07:16] <TheMuso> ScottK: I understand.
[07:17] <TheMuso> For me at least, I feel very much responsible for making sure everything that I upload is sane and working ok as much as possible.
[07:17] <ScottK> Last time I got one revued it was because Hobbsee showed up and pointed at someone and said to do it.  Maybe that will happen again...
[07:17] <TheMuso> One is packaging software that potentially thousands of others may use.
[07:17] <ScottK> Yep.
[07:17] <TheMuso> after all
[07:18] <TheMuso> ScottK: Thanks for your understanding.
[07:18] <TheMuso> I hope I can bring myself to readyness by the time revu work has to be picked up.
[07:18] <ScottK> and looks for another merge to do.
[07:18] <TheMuso> ScottK: Have a look at the URL that ajmitch added to the topic.
[07:18] <TheMuso> Re debian/ubuntu rc bugs.
[07:19] <TheMuso> You'll find plenty to do there.
[07:19] <ScottK> Yep.  Already looking there.
[07:19] <ScottK> The problem isn't finding one that needs merging, but one that I think I up to doing.
[07:19] <LaserJock> good night everybody
[07:19] <TheMuso> LaserJock: Night.
[07:20] <ScottK> and one that isn't as AFU as courier was.
[07:20] <ScottK> Goodnight.
[07:20] <LaserJock> I'm not sure if I'll be back on until Saturday or not
[07:20] <ScottK> Good luck at the conference.
[07:20] <TheMuso> ScottK: Have you looked through the updated merge list?
[07:20] <ScottK> Am looking now.
[07:21] <ScottK> bddebian: Mind if I do gramps?
[07:21] <ScottK> Since I know he's playing a Windows game right now, I'm gonna go ahead.
[07:22] <TheMuso> ScottK: gramps has been done
[07:22] <TheMuso> unfortunately its not visible in feisty-changes or lp yet
[07:22] <TheMuso> I did it earlier today
[07:22] <ScottK> That would be a very good reason not to do it.
[07:47] <Hobbsee> ScottK: will look later
[07:47] <ScottK> NP
[07:48] <ScottK> And I think Bug #82420 will about do it for me tonight.  As usual, I'll now kill all further conversation for a while by asking any MOTUs with a moment to please review and (hopefully) be 2nd advocate for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4179
[07:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82420 in xcdroast "[Sync Request] Request sync of xcdroast-0.98+0alpha15-11.1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82420
[07:48] <ScottK> Good night everyone.
[08:46] <zakame> what else to do?
[08:53] <\sh> moins
[08:53] <TheMuso> zakame: YOu seen ajmitch's page re debian rc bugs?
[08:53] <TheMuso> Hey \sh.
[08:54] <zakame> yo TheMuso \sh
[08:54] <zakame> TheMuso: nope, where's it?
[08:54] <TheMuso> zakame: /topic
[08:55] <zakame> thanks
[08:55] <TheMuso> np
[08:56] <zakame> I'm currently reloading my feisty chroot atm, will upgrade to herd 3 later :)
[08:57] <TheMuso> Heya Lure_ 
[08:58] <Lure_> hi TheMuso - congrats on motu-ship ;-)
[08:58] <TheMuso> Thanks.
[09:50] <TheMuso> Is there any way of finding out whether a new version of a package has been uploaded, i.e other than the sometimes laggy feisty-changes list, or LP?
[09:50] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: LP
[09:50] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach 
[09:50] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: I'm thinking something like an upload queue that has to be approved etc
[09:50] <Hobbsee> there is, we cant see it
[09:50] <TheMuso> didn't think so.
[09:51] <ajmitch> hi daniel
[09:51] <Hobbsee> hey dholbach, ajmitch 
[09:51] <TheMuso> Hey dholbach.
[09:51] <dholbach> good morning
[09:51] <dholbach> hey Hobbsee
[09:51] <dholbach> hey TheMuso
[09:51] <dholbach> hey ajmitch
[09:53] <Lure> TheMuso: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue might help you
[09:53] <TheMuso> Lure: Thats just the new queue.
[09:54] <Lure> TheMuso: oh, you want upload queue...
[09:54] <Fujitsu> THe only queue that we can't see is UNAPPROVED, and that's only used when frozen.
[09:54] <TheMuso> Lure: And as Hobbsee said, which I suspected, only admins can see it.
[09:54] <Fujitsu> (or stuff before it is published, which can take up to an hour)
[09:55] <TheMuso> yeah
[11:01] <zakame> hmm cowbuilder hasn't made it into feisty yet?
[11:01] <TheMuso> zakame: When did you upload?
[11:02] <zakame> er sorry, it's cowdancer pala, never mind :)
[11:21] <dholbach> yooohooo!
[11:21] <siretart> :)
[11:21] <siretart> oh, this should have gone to #ubuntu-devel
[11:34] <Q-FUNK> siretart: you probably meant #ubuntu-hugs
[11:34] <siretart> Q-FUNK: feel free to forward that link there
[11:35] <coNP> no #ubuntu-hugs :(
[11:35] <Q-FUNK> :(
[11:36] <Q-FUNK> no hugs? no kisses?  what happened to ubuntu love?
[11:39] <zakame> lo
[11:39] <zakame> l
[11:39] <coNP> we should write a spec. about that
[11:40] <coNP> :)
[11:41] <zakame> damn so formal
[12:50] <Adri2000> ScottK: please add the changelog entries (from the current version available in ubuntu) in your sync requests (ie. "changelog since current feisty version x.y-z: ...") and if there are ubuntu changes to drop, state cleary what are these changes and why they can be dropped
[12:53] <TheMuso> Adri2000: You're into the reviewing quickly.
[12:53] <Adri2000> :)
[12:54] <gpocentek> hello TheMuso, and congrats :)
[12:54] <TheMuso> gpocentek: Thanks.
[12:55] <TheMuso> I had a weird experience earlier. I uploaded a package, and still haven't received an accepted email for the upload, yet the package was approved, as I got an email stating the approval.
[12:56] <geser> TheMuso: the upload queue is actually in manual mode because of the freeze for herd3
[12:57] <TheMuso> geser: I am well aware of that.
[12:57] <TheMuso> But I didn't  get an email from Ubuntu installer accepting the upload.
[12:57] <geser> ah
[12:57] <TheMuso> I only got the approval email titled with my own name.
[12:58] <TheMuso> Probably out there in the ether known as soyoz.
[12:58] <TheMuso> And will probably turn up in the next day or so.
[12:59] <geser> TheMuso: I see you merged ddclient :)
[12:59] <TheMuso> geser: Yeah.
[12:59] <TheMuso> Pretty trivial.
[01:00] <TheMuso> Starting off with what seems to be relatively easy stuff first, to get myself comfortable.
[01:00] <TheMuso> I would have asked you about it, but you weren't online.
[01:00] <TheMuso> As to whether you had done it.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: isnt that the same thing?
[01:02] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: No.
[01:02] <Hobbsee> oh, for freezes...yeah, there's two
[01:03] <TheMuso> Heh they're having fun with LRM.
[01:06] <ScottK> Adri2000: Got it.  Will do.
[01:08] <pochu> TheMuso: this is the content of /debian/patches/series
[01:08] <pochu> configure_ignore_gdlib-config_garbage.diff -p0
[01:08] <pochu> cas_configfile.c_good_default_paths.diff -p0
[01:08] <pochu> for_upstream-manpage_typos.diff -p0
[01:08] <TheMuso> pochu: Are there commands in debian/rules that start with dh_?
[01:08] <TheMuso> I'm guessing so.
[01:08] <pochu> I think I should add my patch there, when I have it :)
[01:08] <TheMuso> Yep.
[01:09] <TheMuso> The last parameter isn't always needed.
[01:09] <TheMuso> The best way to find out what parameter you need is to apply the patch yourself in a dry run.
[01:09] <pochu> TheMuso: there are
[01:09] <pochu> install-stamp:
[01:09] <pochu> 	dh_testdir
[01:09] <pochu> 	dh_testroot
[01:09] <pochu> 	dh_clean
[01:09] <pochu> for example :)
[01:10] <TheMuso> yep ok
[01:11] <pochu> TheMuso: my patch has some useless info in the header, should I remove it?:
[01:11] <pochu> diff -ruN amule-2.1.3/src/libs/common/StringFunctions.h amule-2.1.3.dist/src/libs/common/StringFunctions.h
[01:11] <pochu> --- amule-2.1.3/src/libs/common/StringFunctions.h	2007-01-31 12:44:38.000000000 +0100
[01:11] <pochu> +++ amule-2.1.3.dist/src/libs/common/StringFunctions.h	2006-05-29 00:33:07.000000000 +0200
[01:11] <pochu> the timezone and first line?
[01:11] <TheMuso> That is not useless at all
[01:11] <pochu> or doesnt matter
[01:11] <TheMuso> doesn't matter at all
[01:12] <pochu> ok, that was confusing me, because the other patches didn't had that :)
[01:12] <pochu> I'll leave it as it is
[01:15] <TheMuso> StevenK: I would if I had my notebook here.
[01:15] <StevenK> TheMuso: Tomorrow's fine
[01:16] <TheMuso> I won't have it tomorrow either unfortunately.
[01:16] <TheMuso> Its currently getting repaired.
[01:16] <StevenK> Ahh
[01:16] <StevenK> It's a Dell thing, isn't it?
[01:16] <StevenK> Oh no, now I remember.
[01:16] <TheMuso> No. IBM Thinkpad, 3 years old
[01:16] <StevenK> It's a Thinkpad
[01:16] <StevenK> T41?
[01:16] <TheMuso> And a weird problem at that.
[01:16] <TheMuso> R50
[01:16] <StevenK> Drat, wrong again. :-)
[01:16] <TheMuso> heh
[01:17] <TheMuso> Anyways, the display would lock up if one tried to use the correct display drivers in X, or in Windows.
[01:17] <TheMuso> And a couple of diag tests for the display would lock it up also.
[01:18] <StevenK> Sounds like VRAM screwage, but those things share system RAM.
[01:18] <TheMuso> Mine doesn't.
[01:18] <TheMuso> Dedicated video ram.
[01:18] <StevenK> Ah
[01:18] <TheMuso> 32MB
[01:18] <StevenK> I had a Nvidia that did that.
[01:18] <StevenK> Any GL would lock it up.
[01:19] <TheMuso> fun
[01:19] <StevenK> Oh yeah, and blue dots kept appearing.
[01:19] <TheMuso> cool
[01:19] <StevenK> Random pixels would turn blue. The longer the card was used, the more that did it.
[01:20] <TheMuso> woohoo
[01:20] <StevenK> Indeed. :-)
[01:20] <StevenK> Getting home after being out for a few hours meant a reboot.
[01:20] <TheMuso> haha
[01:20] <TheMuso> Anyways, I'd better hit the sack.
[01:21] <TheMuso> Congrats once again to Adri2000 and tepsipakki.
[01:26] <TheMuso> Night all.
[03:16] <jaalto> I'm a contributor the the Debian project and I like to learn and help ubuntu as well. My interest is to port packages to Ubuntu that exist in Debian. I'm familiar with bzr, but the ubuntu pages are so numerous that the details how to "get into art of Ubuntu packaging" would be helpful. Could someone point me to appropriate urls
[03:17] <geser> jaalto: have you any specific questions?
[03:17] <Q-FUNK> jaalto: debian packages are automatically ported to ubuntu.
[03:17] <Q-FUNK> jaalto: however, the opposite is not always true.
[03:18] <jaalto> I?m in terestedin both ways. That "automatic" part as well, since Ubuntu does not include all Debian packages, so some work there is needed. I'd like to help there
[03:20] <jaalto> Let take a case: (*) package A in debian: what is the development process to get it into the Ubuntu. What are the ubuntu specific things that are needed to be changes, where i the package uploaded (bzr?), who is contacted etc.
[03:20] <jaalto> s/changes/changed/
[03:21] <jaalto> s/i the/is the/
[03:21] <geser> jaalto: at the beginning of each development cycle all packages (without Ubuntu changes) are synced automatically from Debian
[03:22] <jaalto> And in the middle?
[03:22] <geser> after the automatical sync has stopped each sync has to be request manually through a bug
[03:23] <jaalto> is that regular support request at https://launchpad.net, like "please sync/downlaod Debian package XXX/unstable" ?
[03:24] <crimsun> Specifically, the period between "DebianImportFreeze" and "KernelFreeze" requires the filing of a bug using LP as you've alluded to
[03:25] <crimsun> (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule )
[03:26] <crimsun> each development release has a ReleaseSchedule wiki page that is discussed at the dev summit at the beginning of each dev cycle
[03:26] <jaalto> Clear.
[03:27] <jaalto> And how are the ubuntu specific changes made to the packages? Which team? How can one help the team?
[03:28] <crimsun> sync requests to universe/multiverse source packages require the ACK of an ubuntu-dev member if the requester is not an ubuntu-dev member; syncs to main source packages require the ACK of a ubuntu-core-dev member, similarly
[03:29] <crimsun> Ubuntu-specific changes are non-rebuild (no-change source-wise) and append the "ubuntuX" versioning suffix; we generate a _source.changes and upload those
[03:30] <jaalto> So the changes are made to debin/control files only by adding/removing the items specific to Ubuntu?
[03:31] <crimsun> changes can touch anything in the source package
[03:31] <jaalto> Sure, but in the simplest case I mean.
[03:32] <jaalto> Where are the ubuntu specific changes to the packages maintained? (bzr url?)
[03:32] <crimsun> the simplest case would be a rebuild-only from a Debian sync; foo_1.2.3-1 -> foo_1.2.3-1build1
[03:33] <crimsun> Ubuntu-specific changes are in the diff.gz; we're attempting to push them all into bzr
[03:33] <jaalto> So where they can be reviewed if they are not yet in bzr?
[03:33] <crimsun> the changes are less haphazard now; if the Debian source package uses a patch system, that's used also in Ubuntu, otherwise changes are made directly to the files
[03:34] <crimsun> if they're not yet in bzr, one has to download and review the Ubuntu diff.gz and/or use Debian PTS's Ubuntu patch link
[03:36] <jaalto> Can you provide an example of  bzr link  to examine how a  specific package is maintained in bzr?
[03:37] <crimsun> https://launchpad.net/xine-lib
[03:37] <crimsun> in the lower right, see the "Latest branches of xine-lib" links
[03:38] <jaalto> ok, so that uses similar URL concept than in Debian URL/package (packages.debian.org/PKG)
[03:39] <crimsun> I actually prefer PTS to pdo/PKG, as Ubuntu's packages.ubuntu.com doesn't integrate as tightly
[03:45] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:46] <jaalto> hm, the I donwder how the Debian package gets an Ubuntu backlink. For example I maintain "jwm" and it is listed in Ubuntu, but there is no Ubuntu backlilnk to *.diff in the Debian PTS
[03:46] <jaalto> s/I donwder/I wonder/
[03:47] <crimsun> right, because Feisty's jwm source is synced from Debian
[03:47] <crimsun>        jwm |      1.5-1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources
[03:50] <jaalto> Hm. Okay, so it's still in phase one-to-one copy from Debian. 
[03:50] <jaalto> Now, now the package becomes "Ubuntu"
[03:50] <jaalto> s/now/how/
[03:51] <crimsun> not sure what you're asking
[03:52] <crimsun> if you make specific changes that aren't in the Debian source package, and you upload it to Ubuntu, then it becomes 1.5-1ubuntu1
[03:53] <jaalto> I mean, that "apt-cache show jwm", lists e.g. headers: "Section: universe/x11" "Bugs: mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com" etc.
[03:53] <jaalto> Is this part of the automatic synch program?
[03:55] <jaalto> If I donwload the source package in Ubuntu, those changes are not in "debian/control". I assume that the build process manages sticking the extra headers, correct?
[03:55] <crimsun> section overrides are on the archive; any Ubuntu changes are made via the pkgmaintainermangler on the buildds
[03:57] <crimsun> e.g., http://librarian.launchpad.net/5994968/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.mutagen_1.10.1-0ubuntu1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz  about 9/10 through
[03:57] <crimsun> pkgmaintainermangler: Maintainer field overridden to "Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>"
[03:58] <jaalto> Thank you - now I understand the process better.
[03:58] <crimsun> np.
[03:59] <jaalto> So, supposing there are changes needed for Ubuntu. Where shoudl I submit the changes or whom shodl I contact for aking for upload (I ran both Ubuntu and Debian)
[04:00] <crimsun> if the source package exists already in Ubuntu, then file a bug against the source package using launchpad.net, attach a debdiff, and subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors for source packages in universe/multiverse (ubuntu-main-sponsors for source packages in main/restricted)
[04:01] <jaalto> So there is no bzr in use in it yet?
[04:02] <crimsun> bzr is not used for requesting syncs or merges
[04:03] <jaalto> Interesting. I assumed that bzr was used to record ubuntu specific changes, as well as to correct the reported bugs against the package. Is this still only in a planned state or is the idea stalled?
[04:04] <crimsun> bzr should be used for packaging, yes; not all source packages use bzr yet; however, requesting syncs and merges is orthogonal to bzr usage currently
[04:06] <jaalto> So basicly, responding to bugs reported in Ubuntu for a package means, that -- anyone at hand -- goes and fixes the package using whatever means he has. Typical case like in NMU diffs in debian. 
[04:07] <crimsun> precisely.
[04:07] <bddebian> Damn, I'm not touching the permissions crap on courier.. Sheesh
[04:07] <crimsun> (granted we don't have NMUs because ubuntu-dev as a whole maintains universe)
[04:07] <jaalto> You mentioned that source packages should use bzr. How is this accomplished?
[04:08] <crimsun> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-June/000149.html
[04:09] <crimsun> apologies, I have a phone conference now
[04:10] <jaalto> Np. Thank you for taking the time ---------
[04:12] <jaalto> and thank for digging up that link. I understood (from the ubuntu pages) before I come here, that the projects are being imported from various sources (CVS, SVN, sourceforge, Berlios). For each one there must be issued a request tracker in the launch pad, correct?
[04:17] <bddebian> Anyone have a clue on wtf this is supposed to say?  $ reformime -h '=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F3la!?='
[04:17] <bddebian> Hla!
[04:25] <siretart> bddebian: looks broken
[04:25] <bddebian> Ya think? :_)
[04:26] <bddebian> Its from the man page for reformime.  Hla! is supposed to be 'Hola'
[04:27] <bddebian> Anyone know how I escape the o with the little apostrophe on top? (Nice technical description eh? :-))
[04:30] <welshbyte> hla ?
[04:31] <bddebian> welshbyte: Yeah, that's it
[04:31] <bddebian> Do you know how I can escap that o in a man page?
[04:31] <welshbyte> oh i see
[04:32] <bddebian> Like \[:??] 
[04:40] <nixternal> crimsun: seems as if the 2.6.20-6-generic kernel may have fixed the low sound on the ICH7 Intel HD Audio :)
[04:42] <nixternal> wow, never had to turn the volume down before :)
[04:50] <welshbyte> bddebian: \[char243]  seems to work if you still need it
[04:50] <bddebian> I used \[oacute]   Seems to work, thx
[04:51] <welshbyte> cool, thought there must be a more readable name for it
[04:57] <bddebian> welshbyte: I think \['o]  works also
[04:58] <welshbyte> so it does, i guess that case could be shortened to \('o
[05:01] <bddebian> We learn something new every day :-)
[05:03] <jaalto> I'd need some help with https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto
[05:04] <jaalto> I've prepared jwm sources for ready to be pushed to Ubuntu -- is this correct forum for these
[05:04] <jaalto>  bzr push sftp://jaalto@bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/jwm/ubuntu
[05:04] <jaalto> This gives error:
[05:04] <jaalto> Permission denied (publickey).
[05:05] <jaalto> 1) I have ssh-agent running (ssh-add -l has keys) [2]  my key is in Launchpad (1 GPG key shown there
[05:05] <jaalto> https://launchpad.net/~jari-aalto
[05:07] <jaalto> Ahem, Just couldn't see it the $USER on the sftp is wrong. I should use the lauchpad known ID.
[05:17] <Adri2000> uploads are announced immediatly to feisty-changes? or only once it's approved by an archive admin (because of the herd 3 freeze)?
[05:18] <bddebian> Adri2000: Should be immediate if it wasn't rejected
[05:19] <Adri2000> I got the email "accepted"
[05:19] <geser> Adri2000: it should hit feisty-changes when it got accepted by an archive admin
[05:20] <bddebian> Oh, aye, duh
[05:20] <bddebian> geser: BTW, new libticonv up if you get bored ;-)
[05:20] <Adri2000> bddebian: eheh :p
[05:20] <Adri2000> geser: okay
[05:23] <jaalto> I'd like to get online with someone who could discuss about the possibnlility to join the ubuntu-dev team. I'm a debian contributor who would like to help the Feisty project by starting to import the source packages to the Ubuntu bzr VCS. This doesn't seem to be possile without being member of the ubuntu-dev as I tested with the instructions at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/BzrMaintainerHowto 
[05:26] <zul> jaalto: there is process that you have to do through you have to become an ubuntu-member first and then go through technical board, bleah bleah check the wiki
[05:28] <jaalto> zul: I've briefly read that, but I would like to talk to someone who makes the decisions.  I already know the internals of the Debian development already, the tools, the VCS programs, the build process, packaging etc. and have all the skills one could think of (Ibeing Source Developer myself for very long time)
[05:29] <zul> The tehcnical board decides that..
[05:30] <jaalto> Ok, thank you
[05:32] <geser> zul: doesn't it depends on the timing as the MC is being formed now?
[05:33] <geser> has somebody an idea why xmms2 failed to build? http://librarian.launchpad.net/6012813/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.xmms2_0.2DrHouse-3.1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[05:34] <zul> geser: sure but you still have to have a sustained contribution to be accpeted
[05:35] <bddebian> geser: scons: Reading SConscript files ...
[05:35] <bddebian> sh: git-rev-parse: command not found
[05:35] <bddebian> Checking for working C compiler... no
[05:35] <bddebian> OPTION CC MUST POINT TO A VALID C COMPILER!
[05:36] <bddebian> My guess is rules is doing something like:  'sh git-rev-parse'
[05:36] <bddebian> Or it's really missing
[05:37] <geser> the intesting part is I got build the source package (as this is part of clean) and my pbuilder got to build the package too
[05:39] <bddebian> geser: I can't parse that.  Do you mean it builds fine for you?
[05:39] <geser> yes
[05:47] <hub> is feisty in a usable statre?
[05:47] <hub> state
[05:48] <pochu> hub: just for testing :)
[05:48] <pochu> hub: it's usable sometimes, but not stable :)
[06:56] <ScottK> Good afternoon all.
[06:57] <highvoltage> hi ScottK 
[06:58] <bddebian> Heya ScottK.  You can stop whining now ;-P
[06:59] <ScottK> No, I can't stop whining until someone else seconds your advocacy of my package on REVU.
[06:59] <ScottK> I can stop whining about courier though.
[06:59] <bddebian> ScottK: Well I meant about courier :-)
[06:59] <ScottK> Thanks.
[07:00] <bddebian> gpocentek: ping (xfce4-wavelan-plugin)
[07:00] <ScottK> I promise to upload another one right away if the current one gets sent to NEW so that no one has to worry I'll quit merging because I'm not wanting a package reviewed...
[07:06] <Adri2000> ScottK: can you just add (universe) and unstable (main) to the title of bug #82419 please
[07:06] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82419 in gspca "[Sync Request] Request sync of gspca-01.00.12-1 from Debian" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82419
[07:06] <Adri2000> and then I will ACK it
[07:06] <ScottK> OK.  Doing it.
[07:07] <gpocentek> bddebian: pong
[07:07] <bddebian> gpocentek: Were you going to look at xfce4-wavelan-plugin on REVU?
[07:08] <gpocentek> bddebian: I asked Cody to update something, not sure if he's done it
[07:08] <bddebian> Ahh
[07:08] <gpocentek> (looking)
[07:08] <ScottK> Adri2000: How this - Bug #82419
[07:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82419 in gspca "[Sync Request] Request sync of gspca-01.00.12-1 from Debian unstable (main) for (universe)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82419
[07:09] <gpocentek> bddebian: now that we have the final Xfce 4.4 in the archive, we bump the libxfce B-D versions to >= 4.4.0
[07:10] <Adri2000> ScottK: good, ACKed
[07:10] <ScottK> NP
[07:13] <bddebian> gpocentek: OK, other than that, it looks ok?
[07:13] <gpocentek> bddebian: yep
[07:13] <gpocentek> bddebian: I'm updating it and will upload
[07:14] <bddebian> Gah, you beat me to it ;-)
[07:14] <bddebian> Thanks
[07:14] <gpocentek> :)
[07:14] <gpocentek> NP, thanks for looking at it
[07:15] <ScottK> Question: Do we have a wiki page that lays out the format for synch requests?  If not, I think I'll write one and then ask for it to be reviewed here.
[07:16] <gpocentek> IIRC there's a mail from keybuk to ubuntu-devel, but I don't think we have a wiki page
[07:16] <Adri2000> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[07:17] <gpocentek> ok ^^
[07:17] <gpocentek> I should suscribe to wiki.u.c/* ;)
[07:17] <ScottK> OK, so then maybe I wont' write one.
[07:17] <ScottK> won't
[07:18] <geser> \sh: your buildd is really fast, latex-cjk-chinese-arphic needed 7 hours on the official one
[07:19] <\sh> geser: cool ;)
[07:19] <\sh> I could host launchpad.net including the buildds on some of our machines ,)
[07:20] <\sh> but isn't it a nice evening...sitting in the office, bought a box of beer and the colleagues are ha ving fun
[07:20] <\sh> and in the backround runs amarok with abba music ,-)
[07:21] <\sh> and I just ordered 2 new dl320s with 12x 750gb hds from hp...all my dreams came true
[07:23] <\sh> and a testbox from sun (x4500, 48x500GB hds, 16GB, 2x AMD64) is on it's way..and will be mine for 60 days
[07:25] <geser> you could do an archive rebuild to test it :)
[07:25] <\sh> hehe ;)
[07:26] <\sh> geser: I mean, you could ask thomas lange or raphink what we did with such a machine during the FAI developers meeting last year...
[07:37] <crimsun> that or telling people to stop bellyaching and do the work, but sure
[07:37] <crimsun> it's extremely frustrating to watch/listen to people whine about stuff not being in universe only to be told that they don't want to get involved
[08:00] <ajmitch> hi
[08:02] <bddebian> crimsun: :)
[08:02] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[08:07] <zul> hey ajmitch 
[08:07] <ajmitch> hello zul 
[08:07] <dholbach> ajmitch: which?
[08:07] <hub> crimsun: you always hear about whinners
[08:08] <dholbach> ajmitch: to the TB and CC?
[08:08] <ajmitch> did you need to send one there?
[08:08] <ajmitch> I know that there needed to be MOTU approval of the council as well
[08:10] <dholbach> ajmitch: yes, like 10 hours ago
[08:10] <dholbach> ajmitch: and updated the wiki
[08:11] <ajmitch> excellent :)
[08:11] <ajmitch> sorry, i was thinking you were sending to ubuntu-motu
[08:12] <ajmitch> but that should come after TB/CC, I guess :)
[08:12] <dholbach> it was basically a mail stating "this is the diff on the wiki - updating to the results of the discussion in yesterday's TB"
[08:12] <dholbach> really, nothing exciting
[08:12] <ajmitch> heh
[08:13] <zul> beating the drums already?
[08:13] <ajmitch> zul: ?
[08:19] <zul> hheh all hail our not so benevolent ruler ajmitch
[08:20] <ajmitch> hobbsee still holds that title
[08:22] <bddebian> You'd better get a stick!
[08:31] <dholbach> good night folks
[08:32] <ajmitch> night daniel
[08:32] <dholbach> night andrew
[08:34] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[08:35] <ajmitch> hey TheMuso 
[08:37] <bddebian> Heya TheMuso
[08:37] <cbx33> hi TheMuso 
[08:37] <cbx33> howz it going?
[08:37] <TheMuso> Hey cbx33. How goes it?
[08:37] <cbx33> what ho for feisty and music then?
[08:37] <TheMuso> Very well thanks.
[08:38] <TheMuso> I dunno.
[08:38] <TheMuso> I hvae been in and out of the loop over most of this cycle
[08:38] <\sh> sometimes I hate my life...too much work, too less money...damn
[08:38] <bddebian> \sh: I hear ya man :-)
[08:39] <\sh> bddebian: the good thing....I have beer ;)
[08:39] <ajmitch> \sh: more than I have!
[08:39] <ajmitch> though it's probably too early in the day for me to start on beer
[08:39] <bddebian> heh
[08:39] <\sh> and I'm pregnant...my wife is killing me, when she knows that I'm sitting still in the office and drink beer and work 
[08:40] <ajmitch> people start to talk when you're drinking before work in the morning :)
[08:40] <\sh> ajmitch: it's never too late or too early for beer ;) 
[08:40] <cbx33> hehe
[08:40] <ajmitch> I agree ;)
[08:40] <\sh> ajmitch: work for this company and nobody will talk again ,-)
[08:41] <\sh> ajmitch: if you have windows, I could invite you for our services...;) and you know ;)
[08:42] <ajmitch> heh
[08:43] <\sh> and where the fck is amu
[08:44] <bddebian> slomo: Are you around?  afaict istanbul can be synced.
[08:44] <\sh> hey psusi :) 
[08:45] <psusi> hiya
[08:56] <crimsun> uh oh, \sh is pregnant?
[08:57] <\sh> crimsun: yepp
[08:57] <\sh> actually, my GF not me directly ;)
[08:57] <crimsun> ;)
[08:57] <\sh> but yes, I forked myself
[08:57] <ajmitch> crimsun: you need to keep up with planet gossip
[08:57] <crimsun> congrats! (read the wiki post)
[08:57] <\sh> and baby will spawn in 7 months ;)
[08:57] <bddebian> forked yourself or forked...
[08:59] <\sh> crimsun: thx, friend :) when I think about the time between january and april last year, I am so thankful and greatful...and I'm really proud to be part of this MOTU team...if you ever going to come to germany, tell me beforehand, you'll have a place to sleep (and I mean all of you :)))
[08:59] <crimsun> hehe
[09:05] <\sh> crimsun: no really, MOTUs money transfer helped me a lot. and I don't know how I can reward this...(I mean, just working for motu is not enough)...I would like to invite you all for a beer :)
[09:06] <ajmitch> wee, free beer! ;)
[09:06] <\sh> the next UDC is where? ,-)
[09:06] <zul> spain
[09:06] <ajmitch> we suspect
[09:06] <\sh> that's near...when? I'll try to come
[09:07] <zul> ditto...
[09:07] <\sh> I want to see all you guys again :) UBZ was really fun
[09:09] <cbx33> yeh Ill not be able to go either
[09:11] <TheMuso> I've been sponsored once, so thats my chance gone I guess.
[09:16] <bddebian> Hey, I've never been sponsored :-)
[09:16] <ajmitch> you probably never applied
[09:17] <cbx33> but couldn't go :)
[09:17] <cbx33> :(
[09:21] <zul> twice
[09:21] <cbx33> zul could you go?
[09:21] <cbx33> did you go?
[09:21] <zul> yep
[09:21] <cbx33> awesome
[09:21] <zul> one in montreal and one at uds
[09:23] <hub> zul: I didn't even get free lunch in Montreal
[09:23] <hub> \sh: it was
[09:23] <hub> really
[09:23] <hub> \sh: fun
[09:24] <zul> hub: i got a room overnight
[09:25] <TheMuso> I think it all depends on distance
[09:26] <hub> zul: I was leaving downtown at that time
[09:26] <hub> s/leaving/living/
[09:26] <zul> downtown ottawa or montreal?
[09:26] <hub> montreal
[09:26] <hub> ubz was in montreal, right?
[09:26] <hub> :-)
[09:26] <zul> yeah
[09:27] <hub> I miss montreal
[09:27] <zul> but you were in ottawa for a while werent you?
[09:27] <hub> zul: I'm actually there
[09:27] <hub> was *after*
[09:27] <zul> ah....i still like ottawa althought its quiet
[09:27] <hub> boring
[09:27] <hub> over boring
[09:28] <zul> yeah try kanata 
[09:28] <hub> zul: I'm talking about the whole ottawa
[09:28] <hub> I live in Hull and work in Bells Corners
[09:28] <hub> so talk about boring
[09:29] <zul> hub: live in kanadata work in kanata
[09:29] <zul> hub: xandros right?
[09:29] <hub> unfortunately
[09:29] <zul> heh
[09:30] <zul> could be worse...could be corel
[09:30] <hub> zul: you think?
[09:30] <hub> xandors is Corel, less the money
[09:30] <hub> top management are forme corel
[09:30] <hub> etc
[09:31] <zul> true...i use to work for eid eid
[09:31] <hub> zul: OEOne?
[09:31] <zul> yep
[09:42] <\sh> hub: your party at home was the best...I swear :)
[09:43] <\sh> I was sponsored for UBZ...but never applied for the other confs because I didn't work enough for dapper and edgy
[09:43] <hub> \sh: :-)
[09:43] <\sh> hub: again, thx to your GF...she was cool and very cute ;)
[09:43] <hub> \sh: UDS was clearly a no for me
[09:44] <\sh> hub: I thought about going to Paris, but my work at this time was more important then the ubuntu work...
[09:44] <\sh> but
[09:44] <hub> \sh: ah that one too. I was not invited
[09:44] <hub> or whatever
[09:44] <hub> I didn't go to guadec either at that time
[09:44] <hub> so....
[09:45] <\sh> and that is something I'm proud of...the last day of linuxtag I was telling till kampeter from mandriva..."Pitti wants to talk about cups and your thoughts...please visit UDS @ paris..." and now he 's part of the team..very cool
[09:45] <hub> I was in mainz right after linuxtag
[09:48] <hub> anyway I must admit that I haven't done a lot for ubuntu lately
[09:48] <hub> probably because of my upstream work
[09:48] <\sh> hub: that's something I really admire...I'm just searching a project to work on...but I think...I'll have to work on FAI upstream 
[09:49] <bddebian> \sh: Sweet, get merging fai-kernels! ;-P
[09:49] <hub> \sh: my last thing: http://libopenraw.freedesktop.org/wiki/
[09:50] <\sh> bddebian: urgs ;)
[09:50] <\sh> kernels...I hate kernel packaging...I'm doing it for this company...RPMs ;)
[09:50] <bddebian> :-)
[09:51] <\sh> replacing suse kernels
[09:51] <Lure> I have uploaded soundkonverter with dput to revu, but orig.tar.gz was not uploaded:  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4235
[09:51] <\sh> lure: debuild -S -sa
[09:52] <Lure> \sh: will try again (even though I recall doing -sa)
[09:55] <Lure> \sh: it seems you were right ;-) thansk
[09:55] <\sh> Lure: np ;)
[09:56] <\sh> ok..guys...going to my hotel...cu tomorrow morning :)
[09:56] <\sh> good night
[10:05] <imbrandon> hum
[10:05] <imbrandon> i hate computers sometimes
[10:06] <enyc> ;-)
[10:07] <bddebian> imbrandon: Welcome to the club :)
[10:07] <imbrandon> bddebian, ;)
[10:11] <TheMuso> Lure: Soundconverter has been done
[10:11] <TheMuso> Please check LP and the feisty-changes list to see whether the package has been uploaded recently.
[10:12] <TheMuso> sorry I missread
[10:12] <Lure> TheMuso: talking about soundKonverter (notice K)
[10:12] <Lure> ;-)
[10:12] <TheMuso> Using a screen reader can do that. :)
[10:14] <Lure> TheMuso: I have problem tracking these KDE k/c's...
[10:14] <TheMuso> heh
[10:15] <TheMuso> What don't you like about it?
[10:15] <Lure> ok, any motu willing to check and upload new upstream release of soundkonverter: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4236
[10:16] <Lure> TheMuso: I love KDE, just having every menu item start with K reduces the readability
[10:16] <TheMuso> I can understand that.
[10:16] <Lure> TheMuso: associative reading does not work, so it makes it slower to find app you want :-(
[10:17] <Lure> TheMuso: they are slowly moving away at least from K prefix, but still lot's of K elsewhere ;-)
[10:17] <TheMuso> Yep.
[10:17] <Lure> TheMuso: on other hand, it is great for googling - goot hits
[10:17] <Lure> s/goot/good/
[10:20] <TheMuso> I wish revu gave the year in the dates.
[10:20] <ajmitch> it wasn't expected that things be on there for > 1 years
[10:21] <TheMuso> True.
[10:23] <Lure> ajmitch: problem is with multiple uploads of same package
[10:23] <ajmitch> sure
[10:23] <Lure> ajmitch: maybe it is just me abusing it for ftp storage to pass it to motu ;-)
[10:48] <Adri2000> anyone merging gaphor? otherwise I do it
[10:48] <Adri2000> hi Fujitsu 
[10:49] <Fujitsu> Hi Adri2000.
[10:49] <bddebian> Adri2000: At this point I would say anything is fair game
[10:50] <TheMuso> Hey Fujitsu, Adri2000.
[10:50] <Fujitsu> Hi TheMuso.
[10:51] <Adri2000> hey TheMuso 
[10:51] <Adri2000> bddebian: ok
[10:55] <siretart> Lutin: I did look at it, but I haven't had the chance to use it yet
[10:56] <Lutin> siretart: ok
[10:56] <gnomefreak> we merge from debian unstable?
[10:56] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: unstable
[10:57] <gnomefreak> ty
[10:57] <Fujitsu> Testing is outdated, and we want the latest crack.
[10:57] <Nafallo> or testing. or experimental :-)
[10:57] <TheMuso> Lutin: I've used it, and seems to work well.
[10:57] <Lutin> TheMuso: cool :)
[10:58] <Adri2000> something installed in /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages should go where now?
[10:59] <TheMuso> Adri2000: Does the package comply with the latest python policy?
[11:01] <Adri2000> hmm, not sure
[11:01] <TheMuso> Adri2000: Have you read the summary on the Debian wiki?
[11:01] <TheMuso> I can get you the link if you'd like.
[11:01] <Adri2000> http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy :)
[11:02] <TheMuso> ok you've got it.
[11:02] <Adri2000> at least there is no XS-* or XB-* in debian/control
[11:03] <siretart> Adri2000: yes, the new python policy applies to ubuntu as well, and it is even more important to ubuntu, I'd say
[11:03] <Adri2000> I know
[11:03] <siretart> k
[11:04] <Adri2000> it uses dh_pysupport and according to the wiki there should be a debian/pycompat file or XS-Python-Version in debian/rules
[11:05] <Adri2000> err
[11:05] <Adri2000> s/pycompat/pyversions/
[11:06] <Adri2000> but there is no XS-Python-Version and debian/pyversions has been dropped in an ubuntu change
[11:08] <Adri2000> in fact it should be ok if the package supports all python versions, so, TheMuso: the answer to your question is yes :)
[11:31] <slomo> bddebian: probably... check and do it please ;) (re istanbul)
[11:32] <bddebian> slomo: I filed a sync request
[11:32] <Adri2000> ahhhhh, Cody is already working on gaphor
[11:32] <Adri2000> !seen somerville32
[11:32] <ubotu> I last saw somerville32 (n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32) 10h 36m 54s ago, quiting: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
[11:33] <slomo> bddebian: wonderful, thanks :)
[11:33] <bddebian> NP
[11:35] <bddebian> slomo: Any special concerns/requests wrt blam and/or gtk-gnutella
[11:35] <bddebian> ?
[11:35] <bddebian> Actually I think I tried gtk-gnutella and it has issues :-(
[11:35] <slomo> bddebian: blam: probably a sync because debian took our package... and upstream our patches... or something similar
[11:36] <slomo> bddebian: though blam should better find an active upstream maintainer ;)
[11:36] <slomo> bddebian: for gtk-gnutella... probably syncs unless the debian maintainer did something bad again that needs fixing ;)
[11:37] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: You referring to outstanding merges?
[11:37] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, yes, the general number of universe merges remaining.
[11:37] <TheMuso> Right.
[11:38] <Fujitsu> We've got freezes coming up, and quite a lot of merges loeft.
[11:38] <slomo> Fujitsu: it simply is an amount of pacakges that can't be handled anymore with this few people
[11:38] <slomo> and the amount of changed packages gets bigger and bigger
[11:39] <bddebian> Aye :-(
[11:39] <bddebian> Thx slomo
[11:39] <Fujitsu> Where's everyone run off to, these days? (I note I haven't been active over the past few weeks, but that's 'cause I've been in China)
[11:39] <TheMuso> Have we as a group considered trying to promote MOTU in the community?
[11:40] <slomo> Fujitsu: many people probably found something more interesting... or are busy with main stuff... or simply disappeared ;)
[11:40] <TheMuso> according to LP, there are 63 people who are members of ubuntu-dev, noting that does include core-dev as well.
[11:41] <Fujitsu> TheMuso, that is only the direct members, so most are not core.
[11:41] <Fujitsu> Most have just vanished.
[11:41] <Fujitsu> ANd now, I need to head off to school.
[11:42] <ajmitch> TheMuso: promoting how?
[11:42] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I dunno
[11:42] <ajmitch> forums?
[11:42] <ajmitch> ubuntu-users?
[11:42] <ajmitch> loco?
[11:42] <ajmitch> how well could we handle 100 more people wanting to help out?
[11:42] <TheMuso> I haven't thought it through, it is just an idea I had
[11:42] <TheMuso> thats true
[11:43] <TheMuso> As I said, just an idea
[11:43] <TheMuso> no thoughts about it at this point
[11:43] <TheMuso> and likely not to either. :)
[11:43] <ajmitch> nah, go for it :)
[11:43] <ajmitch> I'd like to have more people helping out for a change
[11:44] <ajmitch> as long as we're able to give them tasks to do, and able to help them do things
[11:44] <slomo> ajmitch: there are always tasks to do... but they're boring
[11:44] <Fujitsu> But then we're going to have a problem of not having enough people to balance teaching and doing properly.
[11:46] <ajmitch> slomo: sure
[11:47] <ajmitch> slomo: but half the time people don't know what to do
[11:47] <slomo> or they find nobody to teach them how to do it
[11:49] <TheMuso> All valid points.
[11:49] <TheMuso> Twas just an idea
[11:49] <TheMuso> THinking about it, it probably wouldn't work because of the sudden big influx of interested people.
[11:50] <ajmitch> scalability is always a problem
[11:50] <ajmitch> we can work well as a small team because everyone knows what everyone else is doing
[11:50] <ajmitch> MOTU has grown, we haven't expanded well
[11:51] <TheMuso> ajmitch: True.
[11:51] <TheMuso> What has happened usually in terms of new people getting MOTU? How big have the batches been at times?
[11:51] <TheMuso> For example, there were three of us approved this week. How many have been approved in batches previously?
[11:51] <ajmitch> by the time they 'get MOTU', they already know what they're doing :)
[11:51] <ajmitch> it varies
[11:51] <ajmitch> usually not 3 at once
[11:52] <TheMuso> Right
[11:52] <slomo> and most of them disappear again after a month or something
[11:52] <ajmitch> sadly
[11:52] <bddebian> Doh, slomo's getting pessimistic :)
[11:53] <ajmitch> there are people in ubuntu-dev that are seen occasionally
[11:53] <TheMuso> What keeps me around is my desire for better accessibility, and idealy to end up being paid for working on it.
[11:53] <slomo> bddebian: that's nothing new imho ;)
[11:54] <bddebian> :-)
[11:54] <ajmitch> some names on their I barely recognise
[11:54] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Same.
[11:54] <ajmitch> TheMuso: I don't expect to get paid for this
[11:54] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Nor do I, at the moment. Eventually I'd love to get paid to work on Linux accessibility.
[11:54] <ajmitch> yours is a more specialised area, so you're more likely to :)
[11:54] <TheMuso> Not holding my breath just yet.
[11:54] <TheMuso> True.
[11:55] <TheMuso> Hey you know what would be good for mom?
[11:55] <TheMuso> Links to people'
[11:55] <TheMuso> bah let me try again
[11:55] <TheMuso> linsk to people's lp pages who have done merges
[11:55] <TheMuso> So you can look up their IRC nickname
[11:56] <Nafallo> mention that to Scott :-)
[11:56] <TheMuso> I might. I need to talk to him about some other stuff anyway.
[11:57] <slomo> bddebian: btw, feel free to take all stuff you want from me from the merges list
[11:57] <bddebian> slomo: I think those are the only two left :)
[11:57] <slomo> bddebian: oh, nice... good work whoever did them all :)
[11:58] <Nafallo> bddebian: take mine if I have any then :-P
[11:59] <Nafallo> bddebian: or well. leave gajim :-)
[11:59] <bddebian> Nafallo: And who are you? ;-P
[11:59] <Nafallo> wooden ruler I might add
[11:59] <bddebian> heh
[12:00] <slomo> Nafallo: oh, gajim probably needs some love for the new python-dbus i heard
[12:00] <Nafallo> slomo: damn :-/. sure? wfm :-)
[12:01] <slomo> Nafallo: good ;)
[12:01] <slomo> Nafallo: want the bugreports?
[12:01] <slomo> Nafallo: http://trac.gajim.org/ticket/2784 http://trac.gajim.org/ticket/2865
[12:02] <slomo> Nafallo: please fix or make sure we have the fixes
[12:03] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:03] <Nafallo> slomo: I'll probably wait for 0.11.1 atleast :-)
[12:03] <slomo> Nafallo: when will that be?
[12:04] <Nafallo> this week last I've heard.
[12:05] <slomo> sounds good
[12:05] <Nafallo> oh my. this is an old xchat. the damn thing spawns new epihany-windows for each URL :-P
[12:09] <nixternal> hello hello
[12:10] <TheMuso> Hey nixternal
[12:11] <nixternal> hiya TheMuso, I thought I was in #ubuntu-meeting for a second, one window off
[12:11] <TheMuso> haha