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sabdflwhat does it mean that i have an unthemed lp on lp.dev?12:51
sabdflis it a permissions issue, perhaps, for the css and images?12:52
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sabdfloh, bad proxy conf01:05
sabdflwhat's the official way to get the current user?01:19
sabdflis it through the launchbag, or do we have a better way?01:19
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kiko-afksabdfl, if it's view code, use the launchbag02:13
kiko-afksabdfl, or self.user in a LaunchpadView02:13
sabdflit's in a vocabulary, and there are other refs to launchbag so i'll use that02:13
sabdflthanks!02:14
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jcolonelyes03:58
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stubsoyuz cronjobs have been switched off in preparation for a launchpad rollout04:51
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MagicFabwhere can I find info about the karma drop ?05:09
ajmitchin the topixc05:10
ajmitchs/x//05:10
beunothat explains why I was getting karma when not doing anything...05:12
beunoI thought it counted mailing list participation or wiki edits  ;)05:12
Bhaskari have completed 100% translation yesterday of template:https://launchpad.net/schooltool/development/+pots/schooltool.commendation but now it seems 0% why this problem in launchpad translation template05:21
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Bhaskarjamesh: the problem of  queue clearance syatem is solved or not? roastte is not sending mo and po08:38
jameshBhaskar: stub was doing a rollout today, so things should work08:42
jameshstu1: the error reports list is listing lock errors for rosetta-export-queue.py.  Is that just because it is currently processing the back log?08:42
jameshor is it a stale lock?08:43
Bhaskarjamesh, ok , hope this will work today08:43
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carlosmorning09:00
mrevellmorning09:02
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UbugtuNew bug: #82618 in launchpad "Launchpad: Notification of failure from the mirror prober" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8261809:20
stu1jamesh: Could be either (I killed it during rollout). I'll have a look.09:25
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popeymorning all10:27
popeyis anyone looking at the "support system sends multiple emails" issue that is ongoing (and has been for a while)10:27
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popeymorning mrevell 10:30
mrevellhey popey - you well?10:30
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popeytickety boo10:32
popeyadded LRL07 to my diary :)10:32
popeyany chance you can get someone to look at the problem where launchpad sends two mails instead of one, from the support tracker10:33
popeyits a bit annoying10:33
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mrevellpopey: Sorry, I'm having some net connection problems at the moment. I was just seeing if I could find the bug number.10:47
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sabdflbugger11:46
sabdflstub: help11:46
stubYou want me to bugger you???11:46
sabdfleasy tiger11:47
sabdflor should i say "STEP UP!"11:47
sabdflsigh - the UI and usability on the poll system is lacking... finesse11:52
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sabdfloh for heavens sake!11:58
sabdflthe poll system is driving *me* nuts11:58
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popeymrevell: I can't find a bug report for it, want me to file one?11:59
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mrevellpopey: Yeah, please do :)12:00
popeyok12:01
UbugtuNew bug: #82626 in launchpad "Poll creation should allow you to add options" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8262612:05
popeymrevell: bug 8262912:09
UbugtuMalone bug 82629 in launchpad "Duplicate emails from support tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8262912:09
UbugtuNew bug: #82627 in launchpad "Poll options should be possible to deactivate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8262712:10
mrevellpopey: cool, thanks.12:11
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UbugtuNew bug: #82629 in launchpad "Duplicate emails from support tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8262912:15
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staticgooooooood morning12:57
highvoltagehey static 12:57
mpt_static, don't steal my line :-)12:58
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staticI've got to copy the best12:58
Fujitsumpt, you normally have a few times more `o's.12:58
mptstatic, in that case I think you want "Dobroye utro"12:59
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SteveAHello, and welcome to this week's Launchpad Development meeting01:00
SteveAwho is here today?01:00
statichere01:00
danilosme01:00
mptme01:00
matsubarame01:00
flacosteme01:00
salgadome01:00
BjornTme01:00
ddaame01:01
mrevellme01:01
SteveAcarlos, stub, cprov, kiko01:01
kiko-zzzme01:01
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SteveAbarry?01:01
sabdflmatsubara: (aside) no, should not be possible to deactivate options once the poll is open, just while you are editing them01:01
kikonot up to date01:01
SteveAdoes barry know there's a meeting now?01:01
stubhere01:01
spivme01:01
matsubarasabdfl: according with the spec it should be possible01:02
SteveAstatic: would you call barry?01:02
henome01:02
staticSteveA: will do01:02
matsubarasabdfl: and it is possible to de-activate the option when it's not yet open01:02
sabdflmatsubara: then the spec is wrong. deactivating a poll option is like editing poll options, its unfair to those who have voted already01:02
sabdflah01:03
SteveAthanks01:03
SteveA== Agenda ==01:03
SteveA * Roll call01:03
SteveA * Agenda01:03
SteveA * Next meeting01:03
SteveA * Activity reports01:03
kikohello hungry hackers01:03
SteveA * Actions from last meeting01:03
sabdflmatsubara: privmsg so we don't disrupt the meeting01:03
SteveA * Oops report (Matsubara)01:03
SteveA * Bug report (mpt)01:03
SteveA * Bug tags01:03
SteveA * Production and staging (Stuart)01:03
SteveA * Launchpad 1.0 status reports01:03
SteveA * Sysadmin requests01:03
SteveA----01:03
SteveA * A top user-affecting issue (MatthewRevell)01:03
SteveA * (other items)01:03
SteveA----01:03
SteveA * Three sentences 01:03
SteveA01:03
SteveAnext meeting, same time, same place next week01:03
SteveAsay now if you expect to be away01:03
SteveAddaa, spiv: are thumper and jml not here?01:04
SteveAwe agreed that one person from the bzr-launchpad team down under come to this meeting as a representative01:04
SteveAof that team01:04
ddaahave absence of proof about them, no proof of absence...01:05
jameshme01:05
SteveAspiv: are you that representative?01:05
spivSteveA: No; or at least, although I'm present,  I haven't been briefed on anything to represent for the team.01:05
spiv(or otherwise anointed)01:05
SteveAspiv: ok.  please take back to the bzr-launchpad team that either they should be here, or send an envoy01:06
spivWill do.01:06
SteveAand please would you act as that envoy today, and take back a summary of anything important to bzr-lp development01:06
spivSure.01:06
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spivddaa: I was just loading that page :)01:07
SteveAthanks spiv 01:07
SteveA* Activity reports.  Who is hot, and who is not?01:07
SteveAI am not01:07
matsubaraI am not.01:07
mrevellup to date other than Monday, which is on my home PC (I'm at Bzr NL atm).01:07
stubUp to date01:07
flacostehot01:07
kikonot01:07
BjornTup to date01:07
danilosI am note (will send out this weeks after the meeting)01:08
salgadoI'm hot. (missing yesterday's report, but will send it today)01:08
jameshI am not01:08
daniloss/note/not/01:08
spivI'm up to date, starting from the sprint last week.01:08
mptNot up to date, but I will be by the end of the meeting ...01:08
staticI am not, will send out this weeks after the meeting01:08
SteveA01:08
SteveA== People who were lax with activity reporting last week ==01:08
SteveA * cprov: "not I haven't caught up properly, still suck"01:08
SteveA * salgado: "I sent a summary for last week and this week I'm almost up to date (missing yesterday's only)"01:08
SteveA * static: "I suck, a few days behind"01:08
SteveA * SteveA: "I'm still slack..."01:08
SteveA01:08
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ddaaup to date, on sprint01:09
carlosup to date01:09
kikotsk tsk01:09
SteveAkiko: where is cprov?01:09
kikoSteveA, on holidays.01:10
SteveAah, okay.01:10
barryhere01:10
SteveAhi barry01:10
kikoafter all, he only took one week and a half for all of last year01:10
kikoand one of those weeks was to get married01:10
SteveAwelcome to barry warsaw.01:10
barryhi SteveA01:10
SteveAthis is the weekly launchpad development meeting01:10
mrevellbarry: welcome :)01:10
kikoisn't it "welcome to warsaw, barry?"01:10
UbugtuNew bug: #41954 in rosetta "/rosetta/imports/ page timing out" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4195401:11
daniloskiko: :)01:11
danilosbarry: welcome01:11
SteveAbarry: agenda is here https://launchpad.canonical.com/MeetingAgenda01:11
barryyep, sorry, did know about it!01:11
salgadowelcome, barry!01:11
barrydidn't01:11
BjornThi barry , welcome!01:11
matsubarahey barry, welcome!01:11
barryhi everyone ;)01:11
ddaaso barry is our Mail Man?01:11
SteveAwould someone update the channel title with the next meeting please?01:11
kikohe is our postgresql problems man for now01:12
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SteveAthanks mpt 01:12
barrykiko: lol01:12
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mptoh yes01:12
SteveA * Actions from last meeting01:12
ddaampt: use a calendar :)01:12
SteveA * kiko to mail launchpad@ with an oops report01:12
SteveA * carlos and danilo to arrange rollout of Firefox support with stub01:12
barryare meetings in google cal?01:12
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SteveAbarry: they're in mine.  not in a shared one, though.01:13
danilosSteveA: hum, we haven't even started on this01:13
barrySteveA: k01:13
carlosSteveA: hmm, I was not aware of that action... anyway, the code is not even reviewed/merged...01:13
kikoI didn't send this report, but matsubara did produce one. I guess it's too late to say I'm sorry01:13
SteveA * matthewrevell to put the fif-candidate tag into the declined tags with a reason, and clarify the description of fix-it-friday01:13
SteveA * matthewrevell to mail the list when he has retyped his SystemStatusPage spec01:13
mrevelldone and done01:13
SteveA * kiko to prioritize Laser``Jock's list of MOTU-related bugs01:14
SteveA * SteveA to give feedback to flacoste on SupportTrackerRename01:14
SteveA * everyone to read mpt's message about UI blockers01:14
kikoI did that!01:14
SteveAI gave flacoste feedback01:14
danilosSteveA: I don't even remember this being set as the action item for last week01:14
danilosSteveA: I do remember you mentioning it as 'organize this between yourself, carlos and stub', though01:14
SteveAdanilos: I'm going off the actions listed on MeetingAgenda.  They may be wrong.  Check the meeting summary if you think there's a mistake.01:14
SteveAthe FF support stuff is important, so I think we should track it somehow01:15
danilosSteveA: sure, I agree01:15
SteveAmaybe through the 1.0 progress01:15
carlosSteveA: it's already there01:15
lifelesshallo01:15
lifelessI'm here for once.01:15
mpt<SteveA> so, write email to stuart cc list to organise getting important stuff rolled out01:15
danilosmpt: right01:16
SteveAright, because we have more database-rollout-trickiness than usual right now01:16
SteveAso it's important to keep stub aware of what needs doing when, and what the implications are01:16
SteveAthanks mpt 01:16
lifelessis this because we're not doing full rollouts at the moment ?01:16
daniloswe have just done a full rollout, no?01:17
SteveAwe are doing full rollouts01:17
SteveAthey are more complicated than usual, because of running beta01:17
jameshlifeless: we've got multiple code bases on the same db now01:17
stubbecause we need to freeze the db schema or the beta and edge code updates stop happening01:17
SteveAand we're making a transition to beta-ui on mainline and a production branch01:17
mptPossibly I misunderstood the meaning of "important stuff", but the discussion was about bug 46982 depending on the Firefox support.01:17
UbugtuMalone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to   (danilo)01:17
lifelessrighto01:17
SteveAso this is important to arrange clearly with stub01:17
SteveA * Oops report (Matsubara)01:17
danilosmpt: that's right01:17
matsubaraToday's oops report is about bugs 68295, 52574 and 78780.01:17
UbugtuBug 68295 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/68295 is private01:17
matsubaraI re-opened bug 68295 due recent oopses on beta and salgado agreed to take care of it.01:18
matsubarastub, I raised the importance of bug 78780. Will you have time to fix it soon?01:18
matsubaraIt's our top oops atm.01:18
UbugtuMalone bug 78780 in launchpad "Code that handles pillar names redirection shouldn't crash when the URL contains non-ascii characters" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78780 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub)01:18
kikoyeah.01:18
kikothat code needs some improvement01:18
matsubaraBug 52574 is a weird one. Any Zope hacker out there could investigate this further? SteveA already did some investigation but I don't know a way to reproduce it01:18
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UbugtuMalone bug 52574 in launchpad "Surrogate error in Zope component architecture leading to an OOPS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5257401:18
salgadoI have a fix for bug 68295 already, but it requires db changes01:18
stubmatsubara: Not this week01:18
kikomatsubara, is it a big deal?01:19
SteveAmatsubara: we need to leave bug 52574 for a while.  it occurs infrequently, and is extremely difficult to investigate.01:19
stubmatsubara: I don't think it is a big deal, as it just means users get a 500 instead of a 40401:19
SteveAmatsubara: I've spoken with jim fulton about it.01:19
SteveAmatsubara: I'll talk with him further at pycon, in person.  so you can note that in the report if you think it'll help.01:19
matsubaraSteveA: right, I just bring it up because the frequence it happens increased recently01:20
SteveAmatsubara: how many times per day?01:20
SteveAare the number of requests increasing at the same rate?01:20
matsubaraSteveA: it doesn't happen every day, but now when it happens two OOPS are recorded.01:20
SteveAin other words, if it affects 0.01% (for example) of requests01:21
SteveAis that number increasing?01:21
SteveAif so, that's something we should be concerned about01:21
matsubaraSteveA: not really.01:21
SteveAbut if launchpad is getting more popular, and so it is increasing, that is not so much to be worried about01:21
SteveAif we don't have the stats available to answer that question, we should get those stats01:21
matsubararight01:21
SteveAit's important to see oops frequencies in the context of total use of the service01:21
stubBug 68295 may stop oopsing after todays rollout, although the bug should remain open until we have more caching01:22
UbugtuBug 68295 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/68295 is private01:22
SteveAok, so I'll look into this at the end of the month01:22
SteveAthanks matsubara.  anything more on the oops report?01:22
matsubarastub: I do think it's a big deal when users follow a link to launchpad and it oops instead of a nice 404.01:23
salgadois that an actual link they followed?01:23
matsubarare: 78780, yes salgado 01:23
matsubaraSteveA: I'm done here. thanks everyone.01:24
kiko tlgraham12  2007-02-01 03:49:16 UTC01:24
kikoyou guy stop fucking emailing me01:24
mptdespite two polite sets of instructions01:24
SteveA * Bug report (mpt)01:25
mpt... up to date!01:25
mptahem01:25
mptThere are 2058 known bugs in Launchpad without released fixes, of which only 11 are Critical. (Yay!) Of these, the oldest six are:01:25
kikoso butting in two points on the above: a) flacoste please file a bug on having us be able to kick people out of the support contacts for a product and b) please remove this guy in the DB, stub 01:25
mpt * Bug #30602 (Timeout errors in +translate), Critical, In Progress, kiko01:25
UbugtuMalone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)01:25
mptkiko, how's that branch of yours going?01:25
kikoit's going well01:25
kikoI have reduced the number of queries01:25
kikoand I am now curious as to how much it will improve things01:25
mptHow will you test it?01:25
kikoit will reduce timeouts for sure01:25
mpt * Bug #46982 (Need to support KDE like plural forms), Critical, In Progress, danilos01:25
UbugtuMalone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to   (danilo)01:25
kikoonly question is by how much01:25
kikompt, by landing it. :-)01:26
mpta-ha01:26
mptdanilos, so, the Firefox support this depends on isn't done yet. Do you think it will be at the next rollout?01:26
flacostebeta is down btw01:26
kikompt, probably.. now.01:26
kikoerrr not.01:26
mpt * Bug #49989 (branch puller reports failure for new hosted branches), Critical, In Progress, spiv01:26
UbugtuMalone bug 49989 in launchpad-bazaar "branch puller reports failure for new hosted branches" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49989 - Assigned to Andrew Bennetts (spiv)01:26
mptspiv, any ETA on that?01:26
danilosmpt: quite likely, if it's in two weeks time01:26
ddaakiko: he asked no more mail, no he's being spammed by helpful message on how not to receive mail anymore :)01:26
mptdanilos, coolness.01:26
ddaapoetic justice, I say01:26
mpt * Bug #68295 (private), Critical, Fix Committed, salgado01:26
mptsalgado, did that land in yesterday's rollout? If not, does it deserve cherrypicking?01:27
kikoddaa, he is a dork, but I'd rather he didn't swear in our support requests.01:27
carloskiko: did you read my comments about the timeouts ?01:27
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spivNot ETA yet, although part of the problem was attacked at the sprint last week, and jml now has that branch waiting for review.01:27
jameshmpt: what jml and spiv were working on at the sprint should fix 4998901:27
kikocarlos, I did not, where are they01:27
carloskiko: in the email about Feisty translation opening (the one tried two weeks ago)01:27
spivI'm not sure if that branch alone will resolve 49989, or just improve it.01:27
stubFix for 68295 landed today (well... partial fix so priority can be lowered)01:27
salgadompt, the fix I had is now in production, although it improves the situation a lot we still have some work to do01:28
kikocarlos, what were the comments about? 01:28
spivHmm, it probably will fix it.01:28
mptstub/salgado, so should a new bug report be written for the rest?01:28
mpt * Bug #74816 (Launchpad should return a 404 HTTP error instead of 500 for non-existant domains), Critical, Confirmed, SteveA01:28
carloskiko: seems like the queries are slow only when other things are hitting the DB, but they are quite fast in carbon's mirror01:28
UbugtuMalone bug 74816 in launchpad "Launchpad should return a 404 HTTP error instead of 500 for non-existant domains" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74816 - Assigned to Steve Alexander (stevea)01:28
mptSteveA, can you briefly say why this is Critical? (It seems Low to me.)01:28
SteveAit's not critical01:28
carloskiko: so reducing the amount of queries will help, but the problem would be in other place01:28
SteveAI'd say it's medium01:28
mptok, I'll change it01:28
SteveAwho set it to critical and why?01:29
mpt * Bug #74839 (Dropdown menus in 1.0 UI do not drop down), Critical, Confirmed, mpt01:29
mptI still suck because I still haven't fixed this. jamesh has given me some tips, though.01:29
UbugtuMalone bug 74839 in launchpad "Dropdown menus in 1.0 UI do not drop down" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74839 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)01:29
kikocarlos, well, reducing the number of queries reduces the likelihood we lock01:29
salgadompt, the bug's description is wrong since it was reported. I'll fix it01:29
kikocarlos, I sincerely think that the update to the pofile we do /every commit/ is a problem...01:29
mptsalgado, thanks01:29
kikocarlos, (or is it pofilecache?)01:29
mptSteveA, it was someone called "Christian Reis"01:29
jameshmpt: adopting the old CSS wholesale for the menus might be easiest for that bug01:29
UbugtuNew bug: #82641 in launchpad "[feisty] firefox full screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8264101:30
mptjamesh, I tried that, and it made the location bar disappear completely.01:30
carloskiko: I will be happy to see a way to handle live statistics without doing it (those ones cannot be deferred to be updated with an script or Rosetta will not be so useful)01:30
jameshyikes01:30
carloskiko: anyway, let's talk about it after the meeting01:30
SteveAkiko: why did you mark that as critical?  did you leave a comment saying why it is critical?01:30
kikoSteveA, me?01:30
kikowhy did I mark what as critical?01:30
mptkiko, https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/74816/+activity01:31
stubmpt: Updated bug 68whatever01:31
UbugtuMalone bug 68 in baz "show-changeset --diffs should provide diff for added files" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6801:31
mptSteveA, apart from that, I'm done, thanks01:31
kikooh that bug01:31
SteveAwhen you mark something as critical01:31
SteveAor indeed any other value01:31
SteveAalways leave a comment saying why01:31
kikoSteveA, because it happens in real life following links from launchpad01:31
SteveAthen say so in the bug01:31
kikoand I am happy to have marked it critical and you have discussed it01:31
SteveAfollowing what links?01:31
kikoI am now fine with bumping it down01:32
SteveAI think it should be not critical but medium01:32
SteveAo01:32
SteveAokk01:32
kikomarking it critical is a way to get you people to look at the bugs01:32
kikobecause otherwise you don't01:32
SteveAwe discussed this in a meeting before01:32
kikoI will bump it down01:32
SteveAhere's the rules for changing launchpad bug importance:01:32
SteveA - anyone on the team can set the importance of bugs01:32
SteveA - provided it is set along with a comment explaining why01:33
lifeless*cough*01:33
kikoSteveA, "Marking critical to get somebody to look at this bug."01:33
carloskiko: that's an abuse of Critical tag...01:33
kikoI argue it is not01:33
SteveAthen, I'd just set it back saying "appears to affect no important use-cases, so setting to low"01:33
kikogreat01:33
stubIt so is01:33
SteveAand I wouldn't end up looking into it01:33
kikoat least you looked at it01:34
SteveA * Bug tags01:34
mptSteveA, except for when its current Importance is "Undecided", for which the reason will always be "This is about how important it is".01:34
SteveAthere are no proposed tags01:34
kikobecause otherwise infrastructure people ignore bugs indefinitely.01:34
SteveA * Production and staging (Stuart)01:34
sabdfl"you people"01:34
kikoyes, YOU PEOPLE01:34
kikoyou know who you are01:34
sabdfl:-)01:34
sabdfli look at ALL blueprint bugs01:34
stubkiko: People looking into non-critical bugs that are flagged as critical stops people from looking at real critical bugs. And will cause people to prioritize things incorrectly when they don't realize it actually isn't critical, just someone giving a 'ping'01:35
mptIf people are ignoring their bug lists, they're maintaining a list of things to do outside the bug tracker. Which may be a problem.01:35
UbugtuNew bug: #49989 in launchpad-bazaar "branch puller reports failure for new hosted branches" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4998901:35
stubNo complaints from last week, so I assume lifeless kept things ticking away happily while I was on leave.01:35
stubStaging is running as normal. After some discussion with elmo, I think we will move the staging database to Carbon when I have time. This seems to be the best way to ensure beta is running on similarly powered hardware to production but without the nasty load spike when the staging rebuild.01:35
stubProduction systems where updated today. Took a bit longer than expected while I rebuild the bloated KarmaCache table, but downtime was < 30 mins I think.01:35
stubedge and beta are currently down as I neglected to do all the bzr merging and conflict resolution before the rollout and haven't been able to finish this yet (or even start looking at the beta branch conflicts yet).01:35
UbugtuNew bug: #82642 in launchpad-support-tracker "Allow admins to remove support contacts" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8264201:35
stubIdeally someone else will merge the edge branch into the beta branch while I'm asleep, sort out the conflicts and confirm the tests still pass.01:35
stubedge should be up soon, beta hopefully tomorrow if someone sorts out the conflicts or I get to do it tomorrow (and if the tests still pass).01:35
stubAll 5 Launchpad installations now gzip pages if the client supports it which should speed up beta in particular (although clients are still requesting the java script libraries for each page load, which is still a big slow down even if they are compressed).01:35
stubLive stats are now available from Launchpad, and I'll start graphing them when I get a chance to update cricket. Quick calculations show production Launchpad has been serving about 8 pages per second (2 pages per second for each of the 4 instances).01:35
=== lifeless isn't sure whymore cpu use w=ill speed upbeta ;)
stublifeless: It won't, but people don't believe that :)01:36
SteveAstub: beta is now a service we need to publicly support01:36
SteveAideally, if we can't keep beta running on a rollout, we should revert that rollout01:36
stublifeless: However, the staging db rebuild chews up lots of disk io that might cause issues01:37
SteveAI guess it is too late to do that now01:37
SteveAit is *really* important that we get beta running again today01:37
stubSteveA: Yes. Just a lot to juggle during the rollouts and I missed that one cause it is new01:37
SteveAafter this meeting I want us to talk about what we need to do to get beta running again01:37
kikoone point on production01:37
kikoplease01:37
kikoI updated all our scripts to use GlobalLock01:37
stubSteveA: As I said, someone needs to do the merge and resolve the conflicts. Then it can be switched back on.01:37
SteveA"someone" is the tragedy of the commons01:38
kikowhich detects stale locks and allows scripts to run on accordingly01:38
kikohowever some of our scripts are not tested01:38
stubSteveA: Someone not plannig on being asleep would be ideal01:38
kikoso 01:38
kiko** PLEASE TAKE EXTRA SPECIAL CARE IN READING THE ERROR REPORTS LIST **01:38
kikobecause I know "you people" don't01:38
spivPeople read that? ;)01:38
carlosI do, from time to time, but I do01:39
ddaakiko does01:39
mptI thought that was just something for matsubara to analyze01:39
kikoand if your script breaks I count with you to help me fix it01:39
stubPeople are supposed to monitor their babies01:39
carloswell, only Rosetta ones ;-)01:39
jameshkiko: we might want to decrease the log level of the "lock file is locked" messages01:39
SteveAstub: you created the problem, so you are responsible for passing the fix onto someone else.  I'll help you with that.  But, saying in public "someone needs to fix this" isn't enough.01:39
daniloscarlos: same as I do :)01:39
SteveAstub: let's sort this out after the meeting.01:39
jameshkiko: for scripts which take longer than their run interval when they have work to do01:39
kikojamesh, is this only for that statistics script, what's it called?01:39
matsubaraI do read that mpt, but that list is overwhelming. Hopefully with the ErrorReportsForScripts that will be fixed soon.01:39
SteveAkiko: I agree.  However, we also need to get scripts doing OOPS reporting, so we don't have this dependency on the error reports list01:39
kikoSteveA, yeah, agreed, and kudos to ddaa for starting that01:40
SteveAwe're running out of time01:40
kikoif we had script OOPS we would have oops listings the size of launchpad-error-reports01:40
SteveAso I am going to be very strict on agenda for the remaining minutes of the meeting01:40
SteveAfurther discussion can happen after01:40
kikooki01:40
SteveA * Sysadmin requests01:40
SteveA601:40
SteveA501:40
SteveA401:40
SteveA301:40
SteveA201:40
SteveA101:40
SteveAok01:40
SteveAI have one01:41
stubMore on production I forgot...01:41
SteveAthe loggerhead one01:41
kikoI have a request: that we say thank you to sysadmins for such good turnover on our requests!01:41
kikoI have not had a request open for more than 1-2 days for a long time now01:41
SteveAstub: please say.01:41
stubmirror prober failed, and disabled most of the mirrors and notified the admins. Ng has emailed the mirror admins stating this is an error.01:41
jameshthe loggerhead one is from last week (although it probably requires more thought than some)01:41
stubA fresh run is happning now in case it was a glitch.01:41
stub09:59:48 INFO    Probing Release Mirrors01:42
kikogah01:42
stub09:59:54 INFO    Mirror 'primary-baltix-download' of distribution 'baltix' can't be probed --we only probe Ubuntu mirrors.01:42
stub^[OQ^[OQ12:31:53 INFO    Probed 150 mirrors.01:42
stub12:31:59 INFO    Enabled 125 mirror(s) that were previously disabled.01:42
stub12:31:59 INFO    Done.01:42
salgadoand I'm investigating the (mirror prober) issue01:42
stubAnd it looks like it was a glitch01:42
salgadodammit01:42
SteveAstub, salgado: please sort this out parallel to this meeting.  thanks.01:42
SteveA * A top user-affecting issue (MatthewRevell)01:42
mrevellThis week's issue which has caused most vocal grief from users was the karma reduction. I've created a spec - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/about-launchpad01:42
stubSo we just need to stop it being so sensitive, perhaps only notifying admins if a mirror fails 3 days running (?)01:42
mrevellPlease read and tell me if you're comfortable with identifying user-affecting fallout from work you do. If you are not comfortable, I will put together some guidelines01:42
SteveAthanks mrevell 01:42
SteveA * Three sentences  (doing 1.0 reports right at the end this time)01:43
mptDONE: priority-3 pages, graphics, feedback from Kiko and Mark, CSS fixes01:43
mptTODO: more feedback from Mark, more CSS fixes, incorporate marketing01:43
mptBLOCKED: marketing material01:43
mrevellDONE: Very informative week at the Bazaar NL sprint, learnt a great deal. New about-launchpad spec. Dealt with fallout from karma reduction. Helping with Zope import. Pycon materials. Sought Ubuntu community input for Bazaar NL sprint. FiF and PQM commit tracking.01:43
mrevellTO DO: Finish Pycon materials. planet.bazaar-vcs.org. Encourage blogging about Bazaar NL sprint. New Launchpad-Bazaar docs with ddaa. More learning about Bazaar. FIF.01:43
mrevellBLOCKED: system-status-page spec - need feedback from LP team, weekly Launchpad usage report - waiting for stub to have time for a call.01:43
jameshDONE: land url-utils branch, zope3 bug import, beta testers redirection hack. 01:43
jameshTODO: code review, Brazil sprint with niemeyer, zope product renaming01:43
jameshBLOCKED: no01:43
danilosDONE: Brazil visa, UK transit visa, bug 81281 (fif), some bug 116 work (fif), logging of exceptions for po-export queue, some UI 1.0 work (bug 79674), tooth extraction with some ongoing pain01:43
danilosTODO: have ff reviewed and landed, translation licensing summary and resolution, set-up debian-installer, glade3 properly for translation using Rosetta, finish up bugs 79674, 11601:43
danilosBLOCKED: no01:43
flacosteDONE: Merged tt-search-all, support tracker rename, reviews01:43
flacosteTODO: support tracker renaming, bug fixes, write SupportFAQ spec01:43
flacosteBLOCKED: no01:43
UbugtuMalone bug 81281 in rosetta "Visual tag to represent non-breaking spaces" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81281 - Assigned to   (danilo)01:43
UbugtuMalone bug 116 in rosetta "Special msgid 'translator-credits' should be handled automatically" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116 - Assigned to   (danilo)01:43
matsubaraDONE: catch up after vacation, oops reports, polls infrastructure testing, lots of bugs reported about it.01:43
matsubaraTODO: more oops analysis, more triage, ressurrect the branch with Page load counts and contact karl to have webstats logs rsync'd to devpad.01:43
matsubaraBLOCKED: no01:43
UbugtuMalone bug 79674 in rosetta "List translatable upstreams on separate page, sample on front page" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79674 - Assigned to   (danilo)01:43
salgadoDONE: Code review and a LOT of random fixes UI-1.0 and other critical stuff01:43
salgadoTODO: More code review and UI fixes01:43
salgadoBLOCKED: no01:43
carlosDONE: bugs #45196, #81439, #70500, #79118, #81490, #70074, #81681, #81278, #73875, poimport script errors01:43
carlosTODO: TranslationImportContinutityThreshold, Feisty translations opening, bug #70074 (FiF)01:43
carlosBLOCKED: No01:43
BjornTDONE: distro sprint. code reviews. fix 1.0 ui bugs.01:43
BjornTTODO: write up sprint report. code reviews. fix 1.0 ui bugs.01:43
BjornTBLOCKED: no01:43
UbugtuMalone bug 45196 in rosetta "Suggestions appear too late" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45196 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)01:43
UbugtuBug 81439 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/81439 is private01:43
UbugtuMalone bug 70074 in rosetta "Add direct link downloads" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70074 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)01:43
SteveADONE: management, recruitment01:43
SteveATODO: management, recruitment01:43
SteveABLOCKED: no01:43
spivDONE: bzr/launchpad sprint in Sydney, reviews, bzr smart server work01:43
spivTODO: bzr smart server01:43
spivBLOCKED: no01:43
kikoDONE: LaunchpadScript improvements, interviews, reviews, design assistance, help to western team members01:43
kikoTODO: rosetta optims01:43
mptHooray for salgado's "LOT of random fixes"01:43
kikoBLOCKED: no01:44
ddaaDONE: oops reporting for supermirror, svn:externals fix for vcs-imports, sprint01:44
ddaaTODO: sprint, more supermirror oops reporting, low supermirror latency01:44
ddaaBLOCKED: no01:44
stubTODO: OpenID01:44
stubDONE: Holiday, code landings, production shite01:44
stubBLOCKED: No01:44
kikosalgado's been hammering the fixes out, amazing01:44
staticDONE: recruitment, bug fixing and reporting, learning more of the code. Meeting with customers01:44
staticTODO: More of that, and write some specs.01:44
staticBlocked: No01:44
staticsalgado is amazing, you're right01:44
danilosI'd say carlos wasn't that bad either01:45
barry"three sentences" are my todo, done, blocked?01:45
danilosbarry: right01:45
mptbarry, correct, one line for each01:45
jameshbarry: yeah01:45
=== salgado blushes
lifelessDONE: Distro sprint, bzr sprint, review team mgmt.01:45
lifelessTODO: Much01:45
SteveAbarry: I'll give you an intro to how the meeting works after the meeting01:45
lifelessBLOCKED: no01:45
barrySteveA: thanks01:45
carlosdanilos: those bugs were quite easy ;-)01:45
SteveA< mpt> BLOCKED: marketing material01:45
=== flacoste high fives salgado
kikocarlos, wow01:45
SteveAmpt: who can unblock you?01:46
kikothat is a long list too01:46
=== kiko slaps carlos around
SteveA< mrevell> BLOCKED: system-status-page spec - need feedback from LP team, weekly Launchpad usage report - waiting for stub to have time for a call.01:46
mptSteveA, mrevell, Ckenyon, etc01:46
SteveAstub: can you unblock mrevell ?01:46
mrevellmpt: I'll speak to you after the meeting01:46
mptmrevell, thanks01:46
stubSteveA: I was hoping to after the meeting, but now there are other things after the meeting01:46
SteveAok, so long as it's on your todo list01:46
SteveAanyone else blocked?01:46
stubmrevell: You going to cry if we wait until tomorrow for the call?01:47
kikooh I went to the dentist too01:47
mrevellstub: Not at all, that sounds good01:47
SteveAok.01:47
kikoyou people should go to the dentist if you haven't gone in the last 6 months01:47
ddaakiko: was that accounted for in your launchpad karma?01:47
SteveAwe're overrunning a little01:47
kikoin particular if your dentist is a babe01:47
SteveAlet's do...01:47
SteveA * Launchpad 1.0 status reports01:47
lifelessI'll wait to get home01:47
mptUI 1.0:01:47
mpt * Priority-3 pages mostly done.01:47
mpt * CSS fixes underway and continuing apace.01:47
mpt * sabdfl is re-redesigning the application front pages.01:47
BjornTMalone 1.0:01:47
BjornTmalone-essential-docs: No progress since last week. bjornt still to send an e-mail to matthew r describing what information the different sections should contain in more detail.01:47
daniloskiko: not really, that amounted to me having to remove my wisdom tooth I should have had removed when I was 1501:47
flacosteSupport^WAnswer Tracker 1.001:48
flacoste---------------------------01:48
flacosteSupportTrackerRename:in progress, all of UI was renamed, missing URLs, code and doc updates.01:48
danilosRosetta 1.0  weekly report:01:48
danilos- firefox import/export: small progress this week (just some cleanups)01:48
danilos- oo import/export: no progress this week01:48
danilos- translation review: DONE01:48
danilos- essential docs: no progress this week01:48
danilos- search via translation browsing: DONE01:48
danilos- TranslationImportContinuityThreshold: no progress this week01:48
danilos- translation page for projects: bug 73875 (DONE), bug 79674 (in progress, start page modified, new page pending)01:48
UbugtuMalone bug 73875 in rosetta "Project needs a Translations page" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73875 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)01:48
kikodanilos, carlos: about continuity threshold, did you get the call in with stub?01:48
daniloskiko: no01:48
kiko(if your dentist is a total babe you can go every 3 months)01:48
kikodanilos, carlos: "do it"01:48
daniloskiko: she isn't, or I'd go more often01:48
kikopop the trunk01:49
carloskiko: no, I didn't. I talked with him and he doesn't see the need for that. Anyway, he got disconnected, so I was not able to arrange it01:49
SteveAok01:49
=== kiko cringes
SteveAthanks for the 1.0 status reports01:49
SteveAthat's it01:49
kikowhere's random things 1.0?01:49
daniloscarlos: stub mentioned about using jabber for getting in touch with him01:49
salgadokiko, all gone, mate01:49
SteveAthat's all folks01:49
carlosdanilos: I know, that was *before* he sent that01:49
SteveAMEETING ENDS01:49
kikobummer man01:49
ddaaCHANGE: long pqm queue (currently have an urgent fix that's #4 in "coming up").01:49
kikothat's a bummer01:49
SteveAso...01:49
daniloscarlos: sure :)01:49
stubEspecially the anonical IRC server - yoyo. Freenode is still dodgy for me though.01:50
SteveAstub: what areas are the conflicts in?01:50
kikoPQM PQM PQM01:50
=== kiko throws another fix at it
kikothe anonical server works for our flaky connection down here at least...01:50
SteveAstub: I'm talking about getting devel merged to ui-one-zero01:51
ddaalifeless: anything we could do to make pqm more responsive?01:51
stubSteveA: Rnning the merge again01:51
mptBetter an anonical server than an onanical server01:51
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lifelessddaa: make the launchpad tests faster01:51
mrevellmpt: ha01:51
stubText conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/browser/bazaar.py                     01:51
stubText conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/browser/branchtarget.py01:51
stubText conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/pagetests/standalone/xx-karmacontext-topcontributors.txt01:51
stubText conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/pagetests/standalone/xx-product-edit.txt01:51
stubText conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/templates/bazaar-index.pt01:51
stubText conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/templates/person-index.pt01:51
stubText conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/templates/project-index.pt01:51
stubText conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/templates/tickets-index.pt01:51
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ddaalifeless: so far the tendency has been to make them _slower_01:52
ddaalifeless:any concrete idea how to make launchpad tests faster?01:52
stubSteveA: ^^01:53
danilosddaa: group unrelated stories/tests into single db reload (eg. those touching data in rosetta and malone can surely use a single fresh test db)01:53
lifelesstheres no silver bullet01:53
SteveAstub: how dire are the conflicts?  whole file or few lines?01:54
danilosddaa: of course, I am thinking of grouping them inside the test framework, not inside the tests themselves01:54
stubSteveA: Seems to be a mixture. I've only looked at two so far01:54
stubSome just imports01:55
mrevellmpt: As it's late for you, do you want to mail me about the marketing pages?01:56
stubSteveA: beta needs bzr+ssh://devpad.canonical.com/code/rocketfuel/launchpad/edge merged in btw to get the final db patch still going through pqm01:56
mptmrevell, ok, now I see that you mailed me on the 19th01:56
mptSorry, I missed it01:56
mrevellmpt: No probs - I haven't sent the Take a Tour pages yet, so it's not complete.01:56
mrevellmpt: I will work on them and mail you with links.01:57
mptthank you01:57
SteveAstub: how about you sort out the python conflicts, mpt sorts out the .pt and .txt conflicts?01:57
SteveAmpt: when could you do that?01:58
stubSteveA: I'm still sorting edge at the moment01:58
mrevell-> lunch01:59
SteveAstub: unless the .py conflicts are really obvious01:59
mptSteveA, Tuesday if you approve my leave, later today if you don't :-)01:59
stubThe second file is obvious. The first looked tricky01:59
stubSteveA: I don't think two different people can resolve conflicts using bzr to share the work btw.02:02
SteveApastebin of diff02:02
spivstub: well, if they're both working on the same working tree they can ;)02:02
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spivBut if it's a simple "I do .py, and he does .pt", then it wouldn't be too hard to independently do the same merge, and then send the changes/resolved files from one person to the other.02:03
UbugtuNew bug: #30862 in malone "Email address is shown even though I chose not to show it" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3086202:06
stubthumper: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileqyGSgA.html02:11
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stubthumper, SteveA: That seems rather broken, as it seems to be wanting to end up with a branch_count method that returns a list of branches instead of an integer02:12
SteveAstub: ping02:15
stubSteveA: pong02:15
SteveAstub: can I get you into a skype call?02:16
stubok02:16
SteveAwe have a plan to get beta running quickly, and still give mpt the day off he needs02:16
stubI'm crashing too02:16
stubwoke up too early and didn't get a nap :(02:17
SteveAyay, we have a plan to get beta running again later today02:21
SteveAlifeless: I'll want your help later arranging to roll out the latest beta code, once we have the conflicts resolved02:21
SteveAmrevell: you can tell people that we expect beta to be running again tomorrow02:21
SteveAbarry: hi.  skype call?  I'll explain launchpad meeting02:22
SteveAs02:22
barrySteveA: sure02:22
=== mpt realizes today is 02/02/02
spivmpt: if you're living 5 years ago, maybe...02:23
=== mpt realizes he's just half-asleep
stubmpt: ~pqm/betaconflicts.tar.gz on devpad02:25
mptta02:27
=== carlos -> lunch
mptstub, scp: /home/pqm/betaconflicts.tar.gz: Permission denied02:30
lifelessSteveA: shure02:30
stubmpt: /tmp/betaconflicts.tar.gz02:32
mptstub, thanks02:33
mptstub, as SteveA said, I need the .BASE, .THIS, and .OTHER files for each02:35
mptOtherwise it's near-impossible to tell what's changed02:36
stubmpt: Updated, same location02:38
kikoI wish you people much tamarind juice02:38
kikoit is the juice of the gods02:38
stubStop rubbing it in. You know you can only get that stuff in Brazil.02:39
mptTamarind has juice?02:39
mptWhen I was in Brazil I had just the dried stuff02:40
mptthanks stu02:40
mptb02:40
UbugtuNew bug: #82647 in launchpad "Perform a network sanity check before running the mirror prober" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8264702:41
kikommmmmm tamarind02:41
kikostub, is it not available in .th? I'd imagine it was02:41
stubtamarind is common, but nobody juices it02:42
stuband I don't have a juicer02:42
kikoBad Gateway!02:42
kikothat makes me think of "Bad Robot"02:42
kikoonce a week02:42
stubedge is running again02:43
kikoand mpt is fixing beta I know02:43
kikostub, there's a fortune to be made their somewhere02:43
kikotamarind juice and barely-18 sex02:43
UbugtuNew bug: #82652 in launchpad "Launchpad doesn't support multiple attachment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8265202:50
mptduplicate02:50
kikodupe02:50
flacostewell, thalaid seems to export tamarind juice: http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/11122603/Tamarind_Juice_Sauce_Paste_And_Candies.html02:50
kikothere's plenty of tamarind in thai dishes02:51
kikoflacoste, didn't land tt-search-all yet?02:51
flacosteit did02:51
flacosteRF 447902:51
kikook02:51
flacostedidn't rolled out though02:51
mptSteveA, resolved conflicts mailed02:52
UbugtuNew bug: #82656 in launchpad "Double email notification in bug's comments." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8265602:55
UbugtuNew bug: #82657 in launchpad "Can't delete a poll" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8265702:55
SteveAthanks mpt02:55
kikoflacoste, you know this discussion about the label for the sort order owner-last-replied?02:57
kikoflacoste, what page can I look at this in action?02:57
flacostekiko: http://urlx.org/launchpad.net/6cc0402:58
stubHmm... probably in the supermarket then i some bottle labeled in Thai I assumed was minced cockroaches or something.02:59
flacosteSteveA: any news on the switch to ui-one-zero as mainline of development?02:59
SteveAflacoste: no.  I'll work on that once we've got beta running again03:00
flacosteSteveA: but is it imminent? or a couple of weeks away?03:00
SteveAsomewhere in between03:01
flacostei'm wondering if I should try to land my UI renaming to both devel and ui-one-zero or wait for the switch03:01
SteveAwait03:01
SteveAI'm expectin net week03:01
SteveAnext week03:01
flacosteok, i'll wait then03:01
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flacosteBjornT, kiko: do you mind me trivialing a defaultview directive for IPerson on the IBugsLayer?03:33
flacostetest included free of charge03:33
kikoflacoste, taking to +assignedbugs?03:33
flacosteyes03:33
kikoshould we just rename +assignedbugs? I'm okay with it anyway03:33
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BjornTflacoste: i'm ok with that as well, thanks for doing it :)03:35
flacosteconsider it done03:36
kikoBjornT, did you see mdz's email about including a dupe link in the bug notification?03:36
kikowant me to do that?03:36
BjornTkiko: sure, that would be good.03:37
kikois there a bug filed for that evennn?03:37
kikostub, can you look at that mini-patch I sent to you yesterday? it blocks my cronscript progress03:37
BjornTi think so....03:37
kikoit's 1 minute for you03:37
kikoand a lifetime for me03:37
mdzis it Friday already?03:38
BjornTkiko: bug 2934503:38
UbugtuMalone bug 29345 in malone "Duplicate bug report notification in email should contain the URL" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/29345 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)03:38
kikothanks BjornT 03:38
kikomdz, in australia.03:38
UbugtuNew bug: #29345 in malone "Duplicate bug report notification in email should contain the URL" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2934503:51
UbugtuNew bug: #82663 in launchpad "Launchpad doesn't support teams with the same admin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8266303:51
kikosalgado, wtf?03:51
salgadothe guy's on crack; he's trying to use his email address as the team's email03:52
kikothat's another bug03:52
kikoI mean03:53
kikoit's a bug that you can't use an existing email address as a team email address03:53
salgadois it? why would you want a team which has your email as its contact address? just use your account where you'd use the team03:55
UbugtuNew bug: #82664 in launchpad "Don't show "edit" options you are not able to edit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8266403:56
kikonot my email address03:56
kikobut two teams with the same email address03:56
salgadoflacoste, have you seen my reply to the last code review you did for me?04:04
flacostesalgado: trivialities?04:04
salgadoyeah04:04
flacostedidn't received it yet04:05
flacostesalgado: ^^^04:05
salgadogreat, smtp is fucked up again. :/04:06
UbugtuNew bug: #82669 in launchpad "X-Generated-By header should contain instance identifier" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8266904:06
salgadosorry for bothering, flacoste04:06
flacostesalgado: not a problem, we stomped on each other toes regarding the bug 82666404:08
flacosteerr, bug 8266404:08
UbugtuMalone bug 82664 in launchpad "Don't show links to edit a project when the user is not allowed to" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8266404:08
salgadoouch, really?04:08
flacostei marked it as a dupe while you edited the description, I unmark the dupe04:08
salgadoI was going to mark it as a dupe, but then matsubara pointed to me that it actually contained another issue04:09
flacosteindeed04:09
flacostepopey: ping04:12
popeyflacoste: pong04:15
flacostehi popey, did you receive other duplicate this week, or only today?04:16
popeypretty sure it was this week, not just today04:16
popeybut I delete them pretty quick04:16
flacosteok, thanks, i'll investigate that04:16
popeyi have had some since the bug report04:17
popeyin the last few hours04:17
popeyif you need me to forward mails or headers, just let me know04:17
flacosteno, the one you pasted in the bug report were fine04:17
flacostepopey: other thing, is it for every notification or only some of them?04:20
popeyi am unsure of the pattern04:21
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flacostebut is it for every notifications?04:21
popeyi think so04:21
matsubaraflacoste: I just checked my ticket mailbox and I do have some dupe emails and can bounce them to you if it'll help.04:22
flacostematsubara: yes, please do04:22
matsubaraflacoste: done04:25
flacostematsubara: thanks!04:25
flacosteand matsubara: in your case, is it for every notifications, or some of them only?04:25
popeyI dont mind that bug being public - that email address is well known and gets enough spam already. if it's policy to keep private, fair enough, but dont keep it that way on my account04:26
matsubaraflacoste: some only04:26
matsubaraflacoste: I had some emails from the ticket 3406 that weren't duplicated. Would help you bounce those as well?04:27
flacostematsubara: yeah, why not04:27
popey3398 is not duplicated forme04:28
popey3363 is04:28
flacostepopey: can you bounce me 3363 and 3398 (francis dot lacoste at canonical do com)04:29
popey3437 is not duplicated, 3436 is04:29
popeydone04:29
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seb128hey launchpad team, do you know about any problem with baazar.launchpad.net atm?04:42
seb128bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host baazar.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation04:42
seb128while trying to bzr push code04:43
Nafallobazaar?04:43
Nafalloi.e. typo :-)04:43
seb128Nafallo: good point ;)04:45
seb128the error handling could be better :p04:45
Nafalloindeed :-)04:45
Nafallogimme a 404 ffs! ;-)04:45
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salgadois there anybody taking care of merging devel into beta and solving the conflicts?05:03
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UbugtuNew bug: #39222 in launchpad-support-tracker "Support tracker email should have References header" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3922205:35
UbugtuNew bug: #50565 in launchpad-support-tracker "[Support $support_id]  should be added only if it isn't in the subject line already" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5056505:35
SteveAsalgado: yes05:39
UbugtuNew bug: #34050 in launchpad-support-tracker "Unable to retarget support request" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3405005:40
UbugtuNew bug: #37893 in launchpad-support-tracker "Launchpad support mails needs a header in the same format of bugmails." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3789305:40
UbugtuNew bug: #39214 in launchpad-support-tracker "Status of the request in the support tracker mail." [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3921405:40
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UbugtuNew bug: #57094 in launchpad-support-tracker "New support ticket email doesn't include package name" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/5709405:45
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popeyflacoste: bah, my mail got bounced, got your address wrong, sending again05:49
popeysorry05:49
flacostepopey: that's why i didn't received them! thanks!05:50
popeydone05:50
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flacostepopey: i reiceived them thanks!05:54
LarstiQvery eager!05:54
UbugtuNew bug: #4935 in launchpad-support-tracker "/projects/whatever/+tickets returns NotFound error" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/493505:55
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jwendellhow do i remove a task from a bug?06:10
salgadojwendell, there's no way to actually remove it, but you can change its status to rejected, which has a similar effect06:10
jwendellsalgado, no, it hasn't06:11
jwendellsalgado, the bug does not appear in the list06:11
jwendellsalgado, please, take a look: bug 8157406:11
UbugtuMalone bug 81574 in gnome-power-manager "gnome-power-manager is not starting automatically" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81574 - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)06:12
salgadojwendell, if it's rejected it'll only show in any list if you use the advanced search and explicitely choose to include rejected bugs06:12
jwendellsalgado, that bug does not appear in the list of g-p-m bugs - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bugs06:12
radixbarry: looks like you are going to be working on some really useful stuff :)06:12
barryradix: i hope (and think) so! :)06:13
jwendellsalgado, did you understand what i mean?06:13
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salgadojwendell, no, I don't. I can see it on the list of bugs of ubuntu's gnome-power-manager. (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bugs)06:14
jwendellsalgado, ah, my bad, sorry06:15
jwendell:)06:15
jwendellsalgado, but is on your plans add that feature on malone?06:15
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salgadoAFAIK, not06:16
SteveAkiko-fud: I'm getting lifeless to do something evil to pqm, which unfortunately means you'll need to re-submit your script-base stuff06:17
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sabdflbad robot. BS?07:02
sabdflBG?07:02
sabdfllots of tamarind in mexico - makes great margaritas07:03
sabdflSteveA: where does the root object live?07:05
sabdflif i want to add a view there?07:05
sabdfland need to hammer the db to get data for it?07:05
sabdfli.e. where is the equivalent database class?07:05
sabdfli found webapp/publisher.py:RootObject07:05
sabdflbut that seems pretty vestigial07:06
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oojahHi07:14
oojahI have a product with multiple translation templates.07:14
oojahIs it possible to download all translated files at once, or must I download the .po files for each template separately?07:15
sabdflyou can get them all07:18
sabdflcarlos or danilos would know how07:21
sabdfloojah: ^^07:21
kikocan you really?07:21
oojahThanks07:21
danilosoojah: yeah, just get the tarball from the translations page07:21
danilosoojah: though, you'll have to do it by-template (i.e. one tarball with all PO files for each template)07:21
oojahRight, ok.07:22
oojahThat's a bit of a pain.07:22
kikooojah, in other words, summarizing everything everybody else said, the answer to your question is no. :-)07:22
danilosoojah: also note that we are still having some issues with export queue, so you'll probably have to wait until tomorrow for that to be fixed07:22
oojah:)07:23
danilosoojah: but please, file a bug report about it, it totally makes sense to have such a feature, and shouldn't be hard to do07:23
oojahdanilos: That's no problem, we're still really evaluating the capabilities of Rosetta.07:23
oojahI'm not after translations right now.07:23
oojahdanilos: I was going to, don't worry! :) I'm not keen on downloading 50 odd tar balls separately.07:24
danilosoojah: wow, you've got 50 templates? what product is this about, if it's not top-secret? :)07:24
oojahdanilos: It's actually a group of products.07:25
oojahhttps://launchpad.net/products/?text=ggz07:25
danilosoojah: are these at least part of a single 'project'?07:26
oojahdanilos: Not on launchpad at the moment.07:26
oojahI will be requesting that in the future though.07:26
danilosoojah: ok, then it would be simple to create an 'download all translations for project/product'07:28
oojahdanilos: That'd be great.07:29
oojahThanks for your help as ever.07:29
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UbugtuNew bug: #82718 in launchpad "bounces@canonical.com interacts poorly with debian.org" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8271808:25
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UbugtuNew bug: #82721 in rosetta "Downloading all translated files for a project/product in a single tarball should be possible." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8272108:46
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salgado-afk-/back09:26
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WebMavenCan anyone tell me what the *default* set of repositories is for Dapper and Edgy?09:47
kikoWebMaven, for dapper /or/ edgy? isn't that an #ubuntu question?09:48
WebMavenI suppose so.09:48
WebMavenbut I meant 'and'.09:48
WebMavenI need both.09:48
WebMavenOk, off I go.09:49
kikoWebMaven, I'm not sure what the defaults are, unfortunately, I've mangled mine significantly09:50
kikowhat do you want to know specifically?09:50
WebMavenWhether Universe is enabled by default.09:50
ajmitchno, it's not09:52
WebMavenHmm. OK.09:52
WebMavenmain and restricted by default, but not universe or multiverse. Got it.09:53
WebMaventhx.09:53
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UbugtuNew bug: #3590 in launchpad-support-tracker "Navigation to product from general support page should be improved." [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/359010:10
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sabdflileUploadFactory instance at 0x9701a2c>11:09
sabdfl2007/02/01 22:07 GMT [-]  twisted.web.server.Site starting on 5808011:09
sabdfl2007/02/01 22:07 GMT [-]  Starting factory <twisted.web.server.Site instance at 0x9701cac>11:09
sabdfl2007/02/01 22:07 GMT [-]  daemon ready!11:09
sabdflmake: *** [run]  Quit (core dumped)11:09
sabdflvirry niiiiice11:09
thumpersabdfl: which branch?11:15
sabdflmy current dev11:15
sabdflam running feisty11:15
sabdflbut this is python2.411:15
sabdflso, unexpected11:15
sabdflnever seen a core dump before with lp11:15
thumperare you using python2.4 or 2.5 on feisty?11:16
thumperforcing lp to 2.4?11:16
thumperI take it feisty has 2.5 by default?11:16
crimsuncrimsun@garnish:~$ python -V11:17
crimsunPython 2.511:17
sabdfllp makefiles use 2.411:18
thumperok11:19
kikosabdfl, wow. does that happen always, upon startup?11:20
sabdflkiko: no, it just happened the once11:21
sabdflcosmic ray11:21
kikosabdfl, doing anything special? 11:21
kikogo figure11:21
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UbugtuNew bug: #82745 in launchpad "Not all tagged bugs show up in when querying by tag" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8274511:31
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