[12:51] <sabdfl> what does it mean that i have an unthemed lp on lp.dev?
[12:52] <sabdfl> is it a permissions issue, perhaps, for the css and images?
[01:05] <sabdfl> oh, bad proxy conf
[01:19] <sabdfl> what's the official way to get the current user?
[01:19] <sabdfl> is it through the launchbag, or do we have a better way?
[02:13] <kiko-afk> sabdfl, if it's view code, use the launchbag
[02:13] <kiko-afk> sabdfl, or self.user in a LaunchpadView
[02:13] <sabdfl> it's in a vocabulary, and there are other refs to launchbag so i'll use that
[02:14] <sabdfl> thanks!
[03:58] <jcolonel> yes
[04:51] <stub> soyuz cronjobs have been switched off in preparation for a launchpad rollout
[05:09] <MagicFab> where can I find info about the karma drop ?
[05:10] <ajmitch> in the topixc
[05:10] <ajmitch> s/x//
[05:12] <beuno> that explains why I was getting karma when not doing anything...
[05:12] <beuno> I thought it counted mailing list participation or wiki edits  ;)
[05:21] <Bhaskar> i have completed 100% translation yesterday of template:https://launchpad.net/schooltool/development/+pots/schooltool.commendation but now it seems 0% why this problem in launchpad translation template
[08:38] <Bhaskar> jamesh: the problem of  queue clearance syatem is solved or not? roastte is not sending mo and po
[08:42] <jamesh> Bhaskar: stub was doing a rollout today, so things should work
[08:42] <jamesh> stu1: the error reports list is listing lock errors for rosetta-export-queue.py.  Is that just because it is currently processing the back log?
[08:43] <jamesh> or is it a stale lock?
[08:43] <Bhaskar> jamesh, ok , hope this will work today
[09:00] <carlos> morning
[09:02] <mrevell> morning
[09:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82618 in launchpad "Launchpad: Notification of failure from the mirror prober" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82618
[09:25] <stu1> jamesh: Could be either (I killed it during rollout). I'll have a look.
[10:27] <popey> morning all
[10:27] <popey> is anyone looking at the "support system sends multiple emails" issue that is ongoing (and has been for a while)
[10:30] <popey> morning mrevell 
[10:30] <mrevell> hey popey - you well?
[10:32] <popey> tickety boo
[10:32] <popey> added LRL07 to my diary :)
[10:33] <popey> any chance you can get someone to look at the problem where launchpad sends two mails instead of one, from the support tracker
[10:33] <popey> its a bit annoying
[10:47] <mrevell> popey: Sorry, I'm having some net connection problems at the moment. I was just seeing if I could find the bug number.
[11:46] <sabdfl> bugger
[11:46] <sabdfl> stub: help
[11:46] <stub> You want me to bugger you???
[11:47] <sabdfl> easy tiger
[11:47] <sabdfl> or should i say "STEP UP!"
[11:52] <sabdfl> sigh - the UI and usability on the poll system is lacking... finesse
[11:58] <sabdfl> oh for heavens sake!
[11:58] <sabdfl> the poll system is driving *me* nuts
[11:59] <popey> mrevell: I can't find a bug report for it, want me to file one?
[12:00] <mrevell> popey: Yeah, please do :)
[12:01] <popey> ok
[12:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82626 in launchpad "Poll creation should allow you to add options" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82626
[12:09] <popey> mrevell: bug 82629
[12:09] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82629 in launchpad "Duplicate emails from support tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82629
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82627 in launchpad "Poll options should be possible to deactivate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82627
[12:11] <mrevell> popey: cool, thanks.
[12:15] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82629 in launchpad "Duplicate emails from support tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82629
[12:57] <static> gooooooood morning
[12:57] <highvoltage> hey static 
[12:58] <mpt_> static, don't steal my line :-)
[12:58] <static> I've got to copy the best
[12:58] <Fujitsu> mpt, you normally have a few times more `o's.
[12:59] <mpt> static, in that case I think you want "Dobroye utro"
[01:00] <SteveA> Hello, and welcome to this week's Launchpad Development meeting
[01:00] <SteveA> who is here today?
[01:00] <static> here
[01:00] <danilos> me
[01:00] <mpt> me
[01:00] <matsubara> me
[01:00] <flacoste> me
[01:00] <salgado> me
[01:00] <BjornT> me
[01:01] <ddaa> me
[01:01] <mrevell> me
[01:01] <SteveA> carlos, stub, cprov, kiko
[01:01] <kiko-zzz> me
[01:01] <carlos> me
[01:01] <SteveA> barry?
[01:01] <sabdfl> matsubara: (aside) no, should not be possible to deactivate options once the poll is open, just while you are editing them
[01:01] <kiko> not up to date
[01:01] <SteveA> does barry know there's a meeting now?
[01:01] <stub> here
[01:01] <spiv> me
[01:02] <matsubara> sabdfl: according with the spec it should be possible
[01:02] <SteveA> static: would you call barry?
[01:02] <heno> me
[01:02] <static> SteveA: will do
[01:02] <matsubara> sabdfl: and it is possible to de-activate the option when it's not yet open
[01:02] <sabdfl> matsubara: then the spec is wrong. deactivating a poll option is like editing poll options, its unfair to those who have voted already
[01:03] <sabdfl> ah
[01:03] <SteveA> thanks
[01:03] <SteveA> == Agenda ==
[01:03] <SteveA>  * Roll call
[01:03] <SteveA>  * Agenda
[01:03] <SteveA>  * Next meeting
[01:03] <SteveA>  * Activity reports
[01:03] <kiko> hello hungry hackers
[01:03] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[01:03] <sabdfl> matsubara: privmsg so we don't disrupt the meeting
[01:03] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[01:03] <SteveA>  * Bug report (mpt)
[01:03] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[01:03] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[01:03] <SteveA>  * Launchpad 1.0 status reports
[01:03] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests
[01:03] <SteveA> ----
[01:03] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (MatthewRevell)
[01:03] <SteveA>  * (other items)
[01:03] <SteveA> ----
[01:03] <SteveA>  * Three sentences 
[01:03] <SteveA> 
[01:03] <SteveA> next meeting, same time, same place next week
[01:03] <SteveA> say now if you expect to be away
[01:04] <SteveA> ddaa, spiv: are thumper and jml not here?
[01:04] <SteveA> we agreed that one person from the bzr-launchpad team down under come to this meeting as a representative
[01:04] <SteveA> of that team
[01:05] <ddaa> have absence of proof about them, no proof of absence...
[01:05] <jamesh> me
[01:05] <SteveA> spiv: are you that representative?
[01:05] <spiv> SteveA: No; or at least, although I'm present,  I haven't been briefed on anything to represent for the team.
[01:05] <spiv> (or otherwise anointed)
[01:06] <SteveA> spiv: ok.  please take back to the bzr-launchpad team that either they should be here, or send an envoy
[01:06] <spiv> Will do.
[01:06] <SteveA> and please would you act as that envoy today, and take back a summary of anything important to bzr-lp development
[01:06] <spiv> Sure.
[01:07] <spiv> ddaa: I was just loading that page :)
[01:07] <SteveA> thanks spiv 
[01:07] <SteveA> * Activity reports.  Who is hot, and who is not?
[01:07] <SteveA> I am not
[01:07] <matsubara> I am not.
[01:07] <mrevell> up to date other than Monday, which is on my home PC (I'm at Bzr NL atm).
[01:07] <stub> Up to date
[01:07] <flacoste> hot
[01:07] <kiko> not
[01:07] <BjornT> up to date
[01:08] <danilos> I am note (will send out this weeks after the meeting)
[01:08] <salgado> I'm hot. (missing yesterday's report, but will send it today)
[01:08] <jamesh> I am not
[01:08] <danilos> s/note/not/
[01:08] <spiv> I'm up to date, starting from the sprint last week.
[01:08] <mpt> Not up to date, but I will be by the end of the meeting ...
[01:08] <static> I am not, will send out this weeks after the meeting
[01:08] <SteveA> 
[01:08] <SteveA> == People who were lax with activity reporting last week ==
[01:08] <SteveA>  * cprov: "not I haven't caught up properly, still suck"
[01:08] <SteveA>  * salgado: "I sent a summary for last week and this week I'm almost up to date (missing yesterday's only)"
[01:08] <SteveA>  * static: "I suck, a few days behind"
[01:08] <SteveA>  * SteveA: "I'm still slack..."
[01:08] <SteveA> 
[01:09] <ddaa> up to date, on sprint
[01:09] <carlos> up to date
[01:09] <kiko> tsk tsk
[01:09] <SteveA> kiko: where is cprov?
[01:10] <kiko> SteveA, on holidays.
[01:10] <SteveA> ah, okay.
[01:10] <barry> here
[01:10] <SteveA> hi barry
[01:10] <kiko> after all, he only took one week and a half for all of last year
[01:10] <kiko> and one of those weeks was to get married
[01:10] <SteveA> welcome to barry warsaw.
[01:10] <barry> hi SteveA
[01:10] <SteveA> this is the weekly launchpad development meeting
[01:10] <mrevell> barry: welcome :)
[01:10] <kiko> isn't it "welcome to warsaw, barry?"
[01:11] <Ubugtu> New bug: #41954 in rosetta "/rosetta/imports/ page timing out" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41954
[01:11] <danilos> kiko: :)
[01:11] <danilos> barry: welcome
[01:11] <SteveA> barry: agenda is here https://launchpad.canonical.com/MeetingAgenda
[01:11] <barry> yep, sorry, did know about it!
[01:11] <salgado> welcome, barry!
[01:11] <barry> didn't
[01:11] <BjornT> hi barry , welcome!
[01:11] <matsubara> hey barry, welcome!
[01:11] <barry> hi everyone ;)
[01:11] <ddaa> so barry is our Mail Man?
[01:11] <SteveA> would someone update the channel title with the next meeting please?
[01:12] <kiko> he is our postgresql problems man for now
[01:12] <SteveA> thanks mpt 
[01:12] <barry> kiko: lol
[01:12] <kiko> mpt: but you can draw
[01:12] <mpt> oh yes
[01:12] <SteveA>  * Actions from last meeting
[01:12] <ddaa> mpt: use a calendar :)
[01:12] <SteveA>  * kiko to mail launchpad@ with an oops report
[01:12] <SteveA>  * carlos and danilo to arrange rollout of Firefox support with stub
[01:12] <barry> are meetings in google cal?
[01:13] <SteveA> barry: they're in mine.  not in a shared one, though.
[01:13] <danilos> SteveA: hum, we haven't even started on this
[01:13] <barry> SteveA: k
[01:13] <carlos> SteveA: hmm, I was not aware of that action... anyway, the code is not even reviewed/merged...
[01:13] <kiko> I didn't send this report, but matsubara did produce one. I guess it's too late to say I'm sorry
[01:13] <SteveA>  * matthewrevell to put the fif-candidate tag into the declined tags with a reason, and clarify the description of fix-it-friday
[01:13] <SteveA>  * matthewrevell to mail the list when he has retyped his SystemStatusPage spec
[01:13] <mrevell> done and done
[01:14] <SteveA>  * kiko to prioritize Laser``Jock's list of MOTU-related bugs
[01:14] <SteveA>  * SteveA to give feedback to flacoste on SupportTrackerRename
[01:14] <SteveA>  * everyone to read mpt's message about UI blockers
[01:14] <kiko> I did that!
[01:14] <SteveA> I gave flacoste feedback
[01:14] <danilos> SteveA: I don't even remember this being set as the action item for last week
[01:14] <danilos> SteveA: I do remember you mentioning it as 'organize this between yourself, carlos and stub', though
[01:14] <SteveA> danilos: I'm going off the actions listed on MeetingAgenda.  They may be wrong.  Check the meeting summary if you think there's a mistake.
[01:15] <SteveA> the FF support stuff is important, so I think we should track it somehow
[01:15] <danilos> SteveA: sure, I agree
[01:15] <SteveA> maybe through the 1.0 progress
[01:15] <carlos> SteveA: it's already there
[01:15] <lifeless> hallo
[01:15] <lifeless> I'm here for once.
 so, write email to stuart cc list to organise getting important stuff rolled out
[01:16] <danilos> mpt: right
[01:16] <SteveA> right, because we have more database-rollout-trickiness than usual right now
[01:16] <SteveA> so it's important to keep stub aware of what needs doing when, and what the implications are
[01:16] <SteveA> thanks mpt 
[01:16] <lifeless> is this because we're not doing full rollouts at the moment ?
[01:17] <danilos> we have just done a full rollout, no?
[01:17] <SteveA> we are doing full rollouts
[01:17] <SteveA> they are more complicated than usual, because of running beta
[01:17] <jamesh> lifeless: we've got multiple code bases on the same db now
[01:17] <stub> because we need to freeze the db schema or the beta and edge code updates stop happening
[01:17] <SteveA> and we're making a transition to beta-ui on mainline and a production branch
[01:17] <mpt> Possibly I misunderstood the meaning of "important stuff", but the discussion was about bug 46982 depending on the Firefox support.
[01:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[01:17] <lifeless> righto
[01:17] <SteveA> so this is important to arrange clearly with stub
[01:17] <SteveA>  * Oops report (Matsubara)
[01:17] <danilos> mpt: that's right
[01:17] <matsubara> Today's oops report is about bugs 68295, 52574 and 78780.
[01:17] <Ubugtu> Bug 68295 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/68295 is private
[01:18] <matsubara> I re-opened bug 68295 due recent oopses on beta and salgado agreed to take care of it.
[01:18] <matsubara> stub, I raised the importance of bug 78780. Will you have time to fix it soon?
[01:18] <matsubara> It's our top oops atm.
[01:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78780 in launchpad "Code that handles pillar names redirection shouldn't crash when the URL contains non-ascii characters" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78780 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub)
[01:18] <kiko> yeah.
[01:18] <kiko> that code needs some improvement
[01:18] <matsubara> Bug 52574 is a weird one. Any Zope hacker out there could investigate this further? SteveA already did some investigation but I don't know a way to reproduce it
[01:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52574 in launchpad "Surrogate error in Zope component architecture leading to an OOPS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52574
[01:18] <salgado> I have a fix for bug 68295 already, but it requires db changes
[01:18] <stub> matsubara: Not this week
[01:19] <kiko> matsubara, is it a big deal?
[01:19] <SteveA> matsubara: we need to leave bug 52574 for a while.  it occurs infrequently, and is extremely difficult to investigate.
[01:19] <stub> matsubara: I don't think it is a big deal, as it just means users get a 500 instead of a 404
[01:19] <SteveA> matsubara: I've spoken with jim fulton about it.
[01:19] <SteveA> matsubara: I'll talk with him further at pycon, in person.  so you can note that in the report if you think it'll help.
[01:20] <matsubara> SteveA: right, I just bring it up because the frequence it happens increased recently
[01:20] <SteveA> matsubara: how many times per day?
[01:20] <SteveA> are the number of requests increasing at the same rate?
[01:20] <matsubara> SteveA: it doesn't happen every day, but now when it happens two OOPS are recorded.
[01:21] <SteveA> in other words, if it affects 0.01% (for example) of requests
[01:21] <SteveA> is that number increasing?
[01:21] <SteveA> if so, that's something we should be concerned about
[01:21] <matsubara> SteveA: not really.
[01:21] <SteveA> but if launchpad is getting more popular, and so it is increasing, that is not so much to be worried about
[01:21] <SteveA> if we don't have the stats available to answer that question, we should get those stats
[01:21] <matsubara> right
[01:21] <SteveA> it's important to see oops frequencies in the context of total use of the service
[01:22] <stub> Bug 68295 may stop oopsing after todays rollout, although the bug should remain open until we have more caching
[01:22] <Ubugtu> Bug 68295 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/68295 is private
[01:22] <SteveA> ok, so I'll look into this at the end of the month
[01:22] <SteveA> thanks matsubara.  anything more on the oops report?
[01:23] <matsubara> stub: I do think it's a big deal when users follow a link to launchpad and it oops instead of a nice 404.
[01:23] <salgado> is that an actual link they followed?
[01:23] <matsubara> re: 78780, yes salgado 
[01:24] <matsubara> SteveA: I'm done here. thanks everyone.
[01:24] <kiko>  tlgraham12  2007-02-01 03:49:16 UTC
[01:24] <kiko> you guy stop fucking emailing me
[01:24] <mpt> despite two polite sets of instructions
[01:25] <SteveA>  * Bug report (mpt)
[01:25] <mpt> ... up to date!
[01:25] <mpt> ahem
[01:25] <mpt> There are 2058 known bugs in Launchpad without released fixes, of which only 11 are Critical. (Yay!) Of these, the oldest six are:
[01:25] <kiko> so butting in two points on the above: a) flacoste please file a bug on having us be able to kick people out of the support contacts for a product and b) please remove this guy in the DB, stub 
[01:25] <mpt>  * Bug #30602 (Timeout errors in +translate), Critical, In Progress, kiko
[01:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko)
[01:25] <mpt> kiko, how's that branch of yours going?
[01:25] <kiko> it's going well
[01:25] <kiko> I have reduced the number of queries
[01:25] <kiko> and I am now curious as to how much it will improve things
[01:25] <mpt> How will you test it?
[01:25] <kiko> it will reduce timeouts for sure
[01:25] <mpt>  * Bug #46982 (Need to support KDE like plural forms), Critical, In Progress, danilos
[01:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[01:25] <kiko> only question is by how much
[01:26] <kiko> mpt, by landing it. :-)
[01:26] <mpt> a-ha
[01:26] <mpt> danilos, so, the Firefox support this depends on isn't done yet. Do you think it will be at the next rollout?
[01:26] <flacoste> beta is down btw
[01:26] <kiko> mpt, probably.. now.
[01:26] <kiko> errr not.
[01:26] <mpt>  * Bug #49989 (branch puller reports failure for new hosted branches), Critical, In Progress, spiv
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 49989 in launchpad-bazaar "branch puller reports failure for new hosted branches" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49989 - Assigned to Andrew Bennetts (spiv)
[01:26] <mpt> spiv, any ETA on that?
[01:26] <danilos> mpt: quite likely, if it's in two weeks time
[01:26] <ddaa> kiko: he asked no more mail, no he's being spammed by helpful message on how not to receive mail anymore :)
[01:26] <mpt> danilos, coolness.
[01:26] <ddaa> poetic justice, I say
[01:26] <mpt>  * Bug #68295 (private), Critical, Fix Committed, salgado
[01:27] <mpt> salgado, did that land in yesterday's rollout? If not, does it deserve cherrypicking?
[01:27] <kiko> ddaa, he is a dork, but I'd rather he didn't swear in our support requests.
[01:27] <carlos> kiko: did you read my comments about the timeouts ?
[01:27] <spiv> Not ETA yet, although part of the problem was attacked at the sprint last week, and jml now has that branch waiting for review.
[01:27] <jamesh> mpt: what jml and spiv were working on at the sprint should fix 49989
[01:27] <kiko> carlos, I did not, where are they
[01:27] <carlos> kiko: in the email about Feisty translation opening (the one tried two weeks ago)
[01:27] <spiv> I'm not sure if that branch alone will resolve 49989, or just improve it.
[01:27] <stub> Fix for 68295 landed today (well... partial fix so priority can be lowered)
[01:28] <salgado> mpt, the fix I had is now in production, although it improves the situation a lot we still have some work to do
[01:28] <kiko> carlos, what were the comments about? 
[01:28] <spiv> Hmm, it probably will fix it.
[01:28] <mpt> stub/salgado, so should a new bug report be written for the rest?
[01:28] <mpt>  * Bug #74816 (Launchpad should return a 404 HTTP error instead of 500 for non-existant domains), Critical, Confirmed, SteveA
[01:28] <carlos> kiko: seems like the queries are slow only when other things are hitting the DB, but they are quite fast in carbon's mirror
[01:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74816 in launchpad "Launchpad should return a 404 HTTP error instead of 500 for non-existant domains" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74816 - Assigned to Steve Alexander (stevea)
[01:28] <mpt> SteveA, can you briefly say why this is Critical? (It seems Low to me.)
[01:28] <SteveA> it's not critical
[01:28] <carlos> kiko: so reducing the amount of queries will help, but the problem would be in other place
[01:28] <SteveA> I'd say it's medium
[01:28] <mpt> ok, I'll change it
[01:29] <SteveA> who set it to critical and why?
[01:29] <mpt>  * Bug #74839 (Dropdown menus in 1.0 UI do not drop down), Critical, Confirmed, mpt
[01:29] <mpt> I still suck because I still haven't fixed this. jamesh has given me some tips, though.
[01:29] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 74839 in launchpad "Dropdown menus in 1.0 UI do not drop down" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74839 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[01:29] <kiko> carlos, well, reducing the number of queries reduces the likelihood we lock
[01:29] <salgado> mpt, the bug's description is wrong since it was reported. I'll fix it
[01:29] <kiko> carlos, I sincerely think that the update to the pofile we do /every commit/ is a problem...
[01:29] <mpt> salgado, thanks
[01:29] <kiko> carlos, (or is it pofilecache?)
[01:29] <mpt> SteveA, it was someone called "Christian Reis"
[01:29] <jamesh> mpt: adopting the old CSS wholesale for the menus might be easiest for that bug
[01:30] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82641 in launchpad "[feisty] firefox full screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82641
[01:30] <mpt> jamesh, I tried that, and it made the location bar disappear completely.
[01:30] <carlos> kiko: I will be happy to see a way to handle live statistics without doing it (those ones cannot be deferred to be updated with an script or Rosetta will not be so useful)
[01:30] <jamesh> yikes
[01:30] <carlos> kiko: anyway, let's talk about it after the meeting
[01:30] <SteveA> kiko: why did you mark that as critical?  did you leave a comment saying why it is critical?
[01:30] <kiko> SteveA, me?
[01:30] <kiko> why did I mark what as critical?
[01:31] <mpt> kiko, https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/74816/+activity
[01:31] <stub> mpt: Updated bug 68whatever
[01:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 68 in baz "show-changeset --diffs should provide diff for added files" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/68
[01:31] <mpt> SteveA, apart from that, I'm done, thanks
[01:31] <kiko> oh that bug
[01:31] <SteveA> when you mark something as critical
[01:31] <SteveA> or indeed any other value
[01:31] <SteveA> always leave a comment saying why
[01:31] <kiko> SteveA, because it happens in real life following links from launchpad
[01:31] <SteveA> then say so in the bug
[01:31] <kiko> and I am happy to have marked it critical and you have discussed it
[01:31] <SteveA> following what links?
[01:32] <kiko> I am now fine with bumping it down
[01:32] <SteveA> I think it should be not critical but medium
[01:32] <SteveA> o
[01:32] <SteveA> okk
[01:32] <kiko> marking it critical is a way to get you people to look at the bugs
[01:32] <kiko> because otherwise you don't
[01:32] <SteveA> we discussed this in a meeting before
[01:32] <kiko> I will bump it down
[01:32] <SteveA> here's the rules for changing launchpad bug importance:
[01:32] <SteveA>  - anyone on the team can set the importance of bugs
[01:33] <SteveA>  - provided it is set along with a comment explaining why
[01:33] <lifeless> *cough*
[01:33] <kiko> SteveA, "Marking critical to get somebody to look at this bug."
[01:33] <carlos> kiko: that's an abuse of Critical tag...
[01:33] <kiko> I argue it is not
[01:33] <SteveA> then, I'd just set it back saying "appears to affect no important use-cases, so setting to low"
[01:33] <kiko> great
[01:33] <stub> It so is
[01:33] <SteveA> and I wouldn't end up looking into it
[01:34] <kiko> at least you looked at it
[01:34] <SteveA>  * Bug tags
[01:34] <mpt> SteveA, except for when its current Importance is "Undecided", for which the reason will always be "This is about how important it is".
[01:34] <SteveA> there are no proposed tags
[01:34] <kiko> because otherwise infrastructure people ignore bugs indefinitely.
[01:34] <SteveA>  * Production and staging (Stuart)
[01:34] <sabdfl> "you people"
[01:34] <kiko> yes, YOU PEOPLE
[01:34] <kiko> you know who you are
[01:34] <sabdfl> :-)
[01:34] <sabdfl> i look at ALL blueprint bugs
[01:35] <stub> kiko: People looking into non-critical bugs that are flagged as critical stops people from looking at real critical bugs. And will cause people to prioritize things incorrectly when they don't realize it actually isn't critical, just someone giving a 'ping'
[01:35] <mpt> If people are ignoring their bug lists, they're maintaining a list of things to do outside the bug tracker. Which may be a problem.
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #49989 in launchpad-bazaar "branch puller reports failure for new hosted branches" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/49989
[01:35] <stub> No complaints from last week, so I assume lifeless kept things ticking away happily while I was on leave.
[01:35] <stub> Staging is running as normal. After some discussion with elmo, I think we will move the staging database to Carbon when I have time. This seems to be the best way to ensure beta is running on similarly powered hardware to production but without the nasty load spike when the staging rebuild.
[01:35] <stub> Production systems where updated today. Took a bit longer than expected while I rebuild the bloated KarmaCache table, but downtime was < 30 mins I think.
[01:35] <stub> edge and beta are currently down as I neglected to do all the bzr merging and conflict resolution before the rollout and haven't been able to finish this yet (or even start looking at the beta branch conflicts yet).
[01:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82642 in launchpad-support-tracker "Allow admins to remove support contacts" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82642
[01:35] <stub> Ideally someone else will merge the edge branch into the beta branch while I'm asleep, sort out the conflicts and confirm the tests still pass.
[01:35] <stub> edge should be up soon, beta hopefully tomorrow if someone sorts out the conflicts or I get to do it tomorrow (and if the tests still pass).
[01:35] <stub> All 5 Launchpad installations now gzip pages if the client supports it which should speed up beta in particular (although clients are still requesting the java script libraries for each page load, which is still a big slow down even if they are compressed).
[01:35] <stub> Live stats are now available from Launchpad, and I'll start graphing them when I get a chance to update cricket. Quick calculations show production Launchpad has been serving about 8 pages per second (2 pages per second for each of the 4 instances).
[01:36] <stub> lifeless: It won't, but people don't believe that :)
[01:36] <SteveA> stub: beta is now a service we need to publicly support
[01:36] <SteveA> ideally, if we can't keep beta running on a rollout, we should revert that rollout
[01:37] <stub> lifeless: However, the staging db rebuild chews up lots of disk io that might cause issues
[01:37] <SteveA> I guess it is too late to do that now
[01:37] <SteveA> it is *really* important that we get beta running again today
[01:37] <stub> SteveA: Yes. Just a lot to juggle during the rollouts and I missed that one cause it is new
[01:37] <SteveA> after this meeting I want us to talk about what we need to do to get beta running again
[01:37] <kiko> one point on production
[01:37] <kiko> please
[01:37] <kiko> I updated all our scripts to use GlobalLock
[01:37] <stub> SteveA: As I said, someone needs to do the merge and resolve the conflicts. Then it can be switched back on.
[01:38] <SteveA> "someone" is the tragedy of the commons
[01:38] <kiko> which detects stale locks and allows scripts to run on accordingly
[01:38] <kiko> however some of our scripts are not tested
[01:38] <stub> SteveA: Someone not plannig on being asleep would be ideal
[01:38] <kiko> so 
[01:38] <kiko> ** PLEASE TAKE EXTRA SPECIAL CARE IN READING THE ERROR REPORTS LIST **
[01:38] <kiko> because I know "you people" don't
[01:38] <spiv> People read that? ;)
[01:39] <carlos> I do, from time to time, but I do
[01:39] <ddaa> kiko does
[01:39] <mpt> I thought that was just something for matsubara to analyze
[01:39] <kiko> and if your script breaks I count with you to help me fix it
[01:39] <stub> People are supposed to monitor their babies
[01:39] <carlos> well, only Rosetta ones ;-)
[01:39] <jamesh> kiko: we might want to decrease the log level of the "lock file is locked" messages
[01:39] <SteveA> stub: you created the problem, so you are responsible for passing the fix onto someone else.  I'll help you with that.  But, saying in public "someone needs to fix this" isn't enough.
[01:39] <danilos> carlos: same as I do :)
[01:39] <SteveA> stub: let's sort this out after the meeting.
[01:39] <jamesh> kiko: for scripts which take longer than their run interval when they have work to do
[01:39] <kiko> jamesh, is this only for that statistics script, what's it called?
[01:39] <matsubara> I do read that mpt, but that list is overwhelming. Hopefully with the ErrorReportsForScripts that will be fixed soon.
[01:39] <SteveA> kiko: I agree.  However, we also need to get scripts doing OOPS reporting, so we don't have this dependency on the error reports list
[01:40] <kiko> SteveA, yeah, agreed, and kudos to ddaa for starting that
[01:40] <SteveA> we're running out of time
[01:40] <kiko> if we had script OOPS we would have oops listings the size of launchpad-error-reports
[01:40] <SteveA> so I am going to be very strict on agenda for the remaining minutes of the meeting
[01:40] <SteveA> further discussion can happen after
[01:40] <kiko> oki
[01:40] <SteveA>  * Sysadmin requests
[01:40] <SteveA> 6
[01:40] <SteveA> 5
[01:40] <SteveA> 4
[01:40] <SteveA> 3
[01:40] <SteveA> 2
[01:40] <SteveA> 1
[01:40] <SteveA> ok
[01:41] <SteveA> I have one
[01:41] <stub> More on production I forgot...
[01:41] <SteveA> the loggerhead one
[01:41] <kiko> I have a request: that we say thank you to sysadmins for such good turnover on our requests!
[01:41] <kiko> I have not had a request open for more than 1-2 days for a long time now
[01:41] <SteveA> stub: please say.
[01:41] <stub> mirror prober failed, and disabled most of the mirrors and notified the admins. Ng has emailed the mirror admins stating this is an error.
[01:41] <jamesh> the loggerhead one is from last week (although it probably requires more thought than some)
[01:41] <stub> A fresh run is happning now in case it was a glitch.
[01:42] <stub> 09:59:48 INFO    Probing Release Mirrors
[01:42] <kiko> gah
[01:42] <stub> 09:59:54 INFO    Mirror 'primary-baltix-download' of distribution 'baltix' can't be probed --we only probe Ubuntu mirrors.
[01:42] <stub> ^[OQ^[OQ12:31:53 INFO    Probed 150 mirrors.
[01:42] <stub> 12:31:59 INFO    Enabled 125 mirror(s) that were previously disabled.
[01:42] <stub> 12:31:59 INFO    Done.
[01:42] <salgado> and I'm investigating the (mirror prober) issue
[01:42] <stub> And it looks like it was a glitch
[01:42] <salgado> dammit
[01:42] <SteveA> stub, salgado: please sort this out parallel to this meeting.  thanks.
[01:42] <SteveA>  * A top user-affecting issue (MatthewRevell)
[01:42] <mrevell> This week's issue which has caused most vocal grief from users was the karma reduction. I've created a spec - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/about-launchpad
[01:42] <stub> So we just need to stop it being so sensitive, perhaps only notifying admins if a mirror fails 3 days running (?)
[01:42] <mrevell> Please read and tell me if you're comfortable with identifying user-affecting fallout from work you do. If you are not comfortable, I will put together some guidelines
[01:42] <SteveA> thanks mrevell 
[01:43] <SteveA>  * Three sentences  (doing 1.0 reports right at the end this time)
[01:43] <mpt> DONE: priority-3 pages, graphics, feedback from Kiko and Mark, CSS fixes
[01:43] <mpt> TODO: more feedback from Mark, more CSS fixes, incorporate marketing
[01:43] <mpt> BLOCKED: marketing material
[01:43] <mrevell> DONE: Very informative week at the Bazaar NL sprint, learnt a great deal. New about-launchpad spec. Dealt with fallout from karma reduction. Helping with Zope import. Pycon materials. Sought Ubuntu community input for Bazaar NL sprint. FiF and PQM commit tracking.
[01:43] <mrevell> TO DO: Finish Pycon materials. planet.bazaar-vcs.org. Encourage blogging about Bazaar NL sprint. New Launchpad-Bazaar docs with ddaa. More learning about Bazaar. FIF.
[01:43] <mrevell> BLOCKED: system-status-page spec - need feedback from LP team, weekly Launchpad usage report - waiting for stub to have time for a call.
[01:43] <jamesh> DONE: land url-utils branch, zope3 bug import, beta testers redirection hack. 
[01:43] <jamesh> TODO: code review, Brazil sprint with niemeyer, zope product renaming
[01:43] <jamesh> BLOCKED: no
[01:43] <danilos> DONE: Brazil visa, UK transit visa, bug 81281 (fif), some bug 116 work (fif), logging of exceptions for po-export queue, some UI 1.0 work (bug 79674), tooth extraction with some ongoing pain
[01:43] <danilos> TODO: have ff reviewed and landed, translation licensing summary and resolution, set-up debian-installer, glade3 properly for translation using Rosetta, finish up bugs 79674, 116
[01:43] <danilos> BLOCKED: no
[01:43] <flacoste> DONE: Merged tt-search-all, support tracker rename, reviews
[01:43] <flacoste> TODO: support tracker renaming, bug fixes, write SupportFAQ spec
[01:43] <flacoste> BLOCKED: no
[01:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81281 in rosetta "Visual tag to represent non-breaking spaces" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81281 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[01:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 116 in rosetta "Special msgid 'translator-credits' should be handled automatically" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[01:43] <matsubara> DONE: catch up after vacation, oops reports, polls infrastructure testing, lots of bugs reported about it.
[01:43] <matsubara> TODO: more oops analysis, more triage, ressurrect the branch with Page load counts and contact karl to have webstats logs rsync'd to devpad.
[01:43] <matsubara> BLOCKED: no
[01:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 79674 in rosetta "List translatable upstreams on separate page, sample on front page" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79674 - Assigned to   (danilo)
[01:43] <salgado> DONE: Code review and a LOT of random fixes UI-1.0 and other critical stuff
[01:43] <salgado> TODO: More code review and UI fixes
[01:43] <salgado> BLOCKED: no
[01:43] <carlos> DONE: bugs #45196, #81439, #70500, #79118, #81490, #70074, #81681, #81278, #73875, poimport script errors
[01:43] <carlos> TODO: TranslationImportContinutityThreshold, Feisty translations opening, bug #70074 (FiF)
[01:43] <carlos> BLOCKED: No
[01:43] <BjornT> DONE: distro sprint. code reviews. fix 1.0 ui bugs.
[01:43] <BjornT> TODO: write up sprint report. code reviews. fix 1.0 ui bugs.
[01:43] <BjornT> BLOCKED: no
[01:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 45196 in rosetta "Suggestions appear too late" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45196 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[01:43] <Ubugtu> Bug 81439 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/81439 is private
[01:43] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70074 in rosetta "Add direct link downloads" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70074 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[01:43] <SteveA> DONE: management, recruitment
[01:43] <SteveA> TODO: management, recruitment
[01:43] <SteveA> BLOCKED: no
[01:43] <spiv> DONE: bzr/launchpad sprint in Sydney, reviews, bzr smart server work
[01:43] <spiv> TODO: bzr smart server
[01:43] <spiv> BLOCKED: no
[01:43] <kiko> DONE: LaunchpadScript improvements, interviews, reviews, design assistance, help to western team members
[01:43] <kiko> TODO: rosetta optims
[01:43] <mpt> Hooray for salgado's "LOT of random fixes"
[01:44] <kiko> BLOCKED: no
[01:44] <ddaa> DONE: oops reporting for supermirror, svn:externals fix for vcs-imports, sprint
[01:44] <ddaa> TODO: sprint, more supermirror oops reporting, low supermirror latency
[01:44] <ddaa> BLOCKED: no
[01:44] <stub> TODO: OpenID
[01:44] <stub> DONE: Holiday, code landings, production shite
[01:44] <stub> BLOCKED: No
[01:44] <kiko> salgado's been hammering the fixes out, amazing
[01:44] <static> DONE: recruitment, bug fixing and reporting, learning more of the code. Meeting with customers
[01:44] <static> TODO: More of that, and write some specs.
[01:44] <static> Blocked: No
[01:44] <static> salgado is amazing, you're right
[01:45] <danilos> I'd say carlos wasn't that bad either
[01:45] <barry> "three sentences" are my todo, done, blocked?
[01:45] <danilos> barry: right
[01:45] <mpt> barry, correct, one line for each
[01:45] <jamesh> barry: yeah
[01:45] <lifeless> DONE: Distro sprint, bzr sprint, review team mgmt.
[01:45] <lifeless> TODO: Much
[01:45] <SteveA> barry: I'll give you an intro to how the meeting works after the meeting
[01:45] <lifeless> BLOCKED: no
[01:45] <barry> SteveA: thanks
[01:45] <carlos> danilos: those bugs were quite easy ;-)
[01:45] <SteveA> < mpt> BLOCKED: marketing material
[01:45] <kiko> carlos, wow
[01:46] <SteveA> mpt: who can unblock you?
[01:46] <kiko> that is a long list too
[01:46] <SteveA> < mrevell> BLOCKED: system-status-page spec - need feedback from LP team, weekly Launchpad usage report - waiting for stub to have time for a call.
[01:46] <mpt> SteveA, mrevell, Ckenyon, etc
[01:46] <SteveA> stub: can you unblock mrevell ?
[01:46] <mrevell> mpt: I'll speak to you after the meeting
[01:46] <mpt> mrevell, thanks
[01:46] <stub> SteveA: I was hoping to after the meeting, but now there are other things after the meeting
[01:46] <SteveA> ok, so long as it's on your todo list
[01:46] <SteveA> anyone else blocked?
[01:47] <stub> mrevell: You going to cry if we wait until tomorrow for the call?
[01:47] <kiko> oh I went to the dentist too
[01:47] <mrevell> stub: Not at all, that sounds good
[01:47] <SteveA> ok.
[01:47] <kiko> you people should go to the dentist if you haven't gone in the last 6 months
[01:47] <ddaa> kiko: was that accounted for in your launchpad karma?
[01:47] <SteveA> we're overrunning a little
[01:47] <kiko> in particular if your dentist is a babe
[01:47] <SteveA> let's do...
[01:47] <SteveA>  * Launchpad 1.0 status reports
[01:47] <lifeless> I'll wait to get home
[01:47] <mpt> UI 1.0:
[01:47] <mpt>  * Priority-3 pages mostly done.
[01:47] <mpt>  * CSS fixes underway and continuing apace.
[01:47] <mpt>  * sabdfl is re-redesigning the application front pages.
[01:47] <BjornT> Malone 1.0:
[01:47] <BjornT> malone-essential-docs: No progress since last week. bjornt still to send an e-mail to matthew r describing what information the different sections should contain in more detail.
[01:47] <danilos> kiko: not really, that amounted to me having to remove my wisdom tooth I should have had removed when I was 15
[01:48] <flacoste> Support^WAnswer Tracker 1.0
[01:48] <flacoste> ---------------------------
[01:48] <flacoste> SupportTrackerRename:in progress, all of UI was renamed, missing URLs, code and doc updates.
[01:48] <danilos> Rosetta 1.0  weekly report:
[01:48] <danilos> - firefox import/export: small progress this week (just some cleanups)
[01:48] <danilos> - oo import/export: no progress this week
[01:48] <danilos> - translation review: DONE
[01:48] <danilos> - essential docs: no progress this week
[01:48] <danilos> - search via translation browsing: DONE
[01:48] <danilos> - TranslationImportContinuityThreshold: no progress this week
[01:48] <danilos> - translation page for projects: bug 73875 (DONE), bug 79674 (in progress, start page modified, new page pending)
[01:48] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73875 in rosetta "Project needs a Translations page" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73875 - Assigned to Carlos Perell Marn (carlos)
[01:48] <kiko> danilos, carlos: about continuity threshold, did you get the call in with stub?
[01:48] <danilos> kiko: no
[01:48] <kiko> (if your dentist is a total babe you can go every 3 months)
[01:48] <kiko> danilos, carlos: "do it"
[01:48] <danilos> kiko: she isn't, or I'd go more often
[01:49] <kiko> pop the trunk
[01:49] <carlos> kiko: no, I didn't. I talked with him and he doesn't see the need for that. Anyway, he got disconnected, so I was not able to arrange it
[01:49] <SteveA> ok
[01:49] <SteveA> thanks for the 1.0 status reports
[01:49] <SteveA> that's it
[01:49] <kiko> where's random things 1.0?
[01:49] <danilos> carlos: stub mentioned about using jabber for getting in touch with him
[01:49] <salgado> kiko, all gone, mate
[01:49] <SteveA> that's all folks
[01:49] <carlos> danilos: I know, that was *before* he sent that
[01:49] <SteveA> MEETING ENDS
[01:49] <kiko> bummer man
[01:49] <ddaa> CHANGE: long pqm queue (currently have an urgent fix that's #4 in "coming up").
[01:49] <kiko> that's a bummer
[01:49] <SteveA> so...
[01:49] <danilos> carlos: sure :)
[01:50] <stub> Especially the anonical IRC server - yoyo. Freenode is still dodgy for me though.
[01:50] <SteveA> stub: what areas are the conflicts in?
[01:50] <kiko> PQM PQM PQM
[01:50] <kiko> the anonical server works for our flaky connection down here at least...
[01:51] <SteveA> stub: I'm talking about getting devel merged to ui-one-zero
[01:51] <ddaa> lifeless: anything we could do to make pqm more responsive?
[01:51] <stub> SteveA: Rnning the merge again
[01:51] <mpt> Better an anonical server than an onanical server
[01:51] <lifeless> ddaa: make the launchpad tests faster
[01:51] <mrevell> mpt: ha
[01:51] <stub> Text conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/browser/bazaar.py                     
[01:51] <stub> Text conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/browser/branchtarget.py
[01:51] <stub> Text conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/pagetests/standalone/xx-karmacontext-topcontributors.txt
[01:51] <stub> Text conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/pagetests/standalone/xx-product-edit.txt
[01:51] <stub> Text conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/templates/bazaar-index.pt
[01:51] <stub> Text conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/templates/person-index.pt
[01:51] <stub> Text conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/templates/project-index.pt
[01:51] <stub> Text conflict in lib/canonical/launchpad/templates/tickets-index.pt
[01:52] <ddaa> lifeless: so far the tendency has been to make them _slower_
[01:52] <ddaa> lifeless:any concrete idea how to make launchpad tests faster?
[01:53] <stub> SteveA: ^^
[01:53] <danilos> ddaa: group unrelated stories/tests into single db reload (eg. those touching data in rosetta and malone can surely use a single fresh test db)
[01:53] <lifeless> theres no silver bullet
[01:54] <SteveA> stub: how dire are the conflicts?  whole file or few lines?
[01:54] <danilos> ddaa: of course, I am thinking of grouping them inside the test framework, not inside the tests themselves
[01:54] <stub> SteveA: Seems to be a mixture. I've only looked at two so far
[01:55] <stub> Some just imports
[01:56] <mrevell> mpt: As it's late for you, do you want to mail me about the marketing pages?
[01:56] <stub> SteveA: beta needs bzr+ssh://devpad.canonical.com/code/rocketfuel/launchpad/edge merged in btw to get the final db patch still going through pqm
[01:56] <mpt> mrevell, ok, now I see that you mailed me on the 19th
[01:56] <mpt> Sorry, I missed it
[01:56] <mrevell> mpt: No probs - I haven't sent the Take a Tour pages yet, so it's not complete.
[01:57] <mrevell> mpt: I will work on them and mail you with links.
[01:57] <mpt> thank you
[01:57] <SteveA> stub: how about you sort out the python conflicts, mpt sorts out the .pt and .txt conflicts?
[01:58] <SteveA> mpt: when could you do that?
[01:58] <stub> SteveA: I'm still sorting edge at the moment
[01:59] <mrevell> -> lunch
[01:59] <SteveA> stub: unless the .py conflicts are really obvious
[01:59] <mpt> SteveA, Tuesday if you approve my leave, later today if you don't :-)
[01:59] <stub> The second file is obvious. The first looked tricky
[02:02] <stub> SteveA: I don't think two different people can resolve conflicts using bzr to share the work btw.
[02:02] <SteveA> pastebin of diff
[02:02] <spiv> stub: well, if they're both working on the same working tree they can ;)
[02:03] <spiv> But if it's a simple "I do .py, and he does .pt", then it wouldn't be too hard to independently do the same merge, and then send the changes/resolved files from one person to the other.
[02:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #30862 in malone "Email address is shown even though I chose not to show it" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30862
[02:11] <stub> thumper: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileqyGSgA.html
[02:12] <stub> thumper, SteveA: That seems rather broken, as it seems to be wanting to end up with a branch_count method that returns a list of branches instead of an integer
[02:15] <SteveA> stub: ping
[02:15] <stub> SteveA: pong
[02:16] <SteveA> stub: can I get you into a skype call?
[02:16] <stub> ok
[02:16] <SteveA> we have a plan to get beta running quickly, and still give mpt the day off he needs
[02:16] <stub> I'm crashing too
[02:17] <stub> woke up too early and didn't get a nap :(
[02:21] <SteveA> yay, we have a plan to get beta running again later today
[02:21] <SteveA> lifeless: I'll want your help later arranging to roll out the latest beta code, once we have the conflicts resolved
[02:21] <SteveA> mrevell: you can tell people that we expect beta to be running again tomorrow
[02:22] <SteveA> barry: hi.  skype call?  I'll explain launchpad meeting
[02:22] <SteveA> s
[02:22] <barry> SteveA: sure
[02:23] <spiv> mpt: if you're living 5 years ago, maybe...
[02:25] <stub> mpt: ~pqm/betaconflicts.tar.gz on devpad
[02:27] <mpt> ta
[02:30] <mpt> stub, scp: /home/pqm/betaconflicts.tar.gz: Permission denied
[02:30] <lifeless> SteveA: shure
[02:32] <stub> mpt: /tmp/betaconflicts.tar.gz
[02:33] <mpt> stub, thanks
[02:35] <mpt> stub, as SteveA said, I need the .BASE, .THIS, and .OTHER files for each
[02:36] <mpt> Otherwise it's near-impossible to tell what's changed
[02:38] <stub> mpt: Updated, same location
[02:38] <kiko> I wish you people much tamarind juice
[02:38] <kiko> it is the juice of the gods
[02:39] <stub> Stop rubbing it in. You know you can only get that stuff in Brazil.
[02:39] <mpt> Tamarind has juice?
[02:40] <mpt> When I was in Brazil I had just the dried stuff
[02:40] <mpt> thanks stu
[02:40] <mpt> b
[02:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82647 in launchpad "Perform a network sanity check before running the mirror prober" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82647
[02:41] <kiko> mmmmmm tamarind
[02:41] <kiko> stub, is it not available in .th? I'd imagine it was
[02:42] <stub> tamarind is common, but nobody juices it
[02:42] <stub> and I don't have a juicer
[02:42] <kiko> Bad Gateway!
[02:42] <kiko> that makes me think of "Bad Robot"
[02:42] <kiko> once a week
[02:43] <stub> edge is running again
[02:43] <kiko> and mpt is fixing beta I know
[02:43] <kiko> stub, there's a fortune to be made their somewhere
[02:43] <kiko> tamarind juice and barely-18 sex
[02:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82652 in launchpad "Launchpad doesn't support multiple attachment" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82652
[02:50] <mpt> duplicate
[02:50] <kiko> dupe
[02:50] <flacoste> well, thalaid seems to export tamarind juice: http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/11122603/Tamarind_Juice_Sauce_Paste_And_Candies.html
[02:51] <kiko> there's plenty of tamarind in thai dishes
[02:51] <kiko> flacoste, didn't land tt-search-all yet?
[02:51] <flacoste> it did
[02:51] <flacoste> RF 4479
[02:51] <kiko> ok
[02:51] <flacoste> didn't rolled out though
[02:52] <mpt> SteveA, resolved conflicts mailed
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82656 in launchpad "Double email notification in bug's comments." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82656
[02:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82657 in launchpad "Can't delete a poll" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82657
[02:55] <SteveA> thanks mpt
[02:57] <kiko> flacoste, you know this discussion about the label for the sort order owner-last-replied?
[02:57] <kiko> flacoste, what page can I look at this in action?
[02:58] <flacoste> kiko: http://urlx.org/launchpad.net/6cc04
[02:59] <stub> Hmm... probably in the supermarket then i some bottle labeled in Thai I assumed was minced cockroaches or something.
[02:59] <flacoste> SteveA: any news on the switch to ui-one-zero as mainline of development?
[03:00] <SteveA> flacoste: no.  I'll work on that once we've got beta running again
[03:00] <flacoste> SteveA: but is it imminent? or a couple of weeks away?
[03:01] <SteveA> somewhere in between
[03:01] <flacoste> i'm wondering if I should try to land my UI renaming to both devel and ui-one-zero or wait for the switch
[03:01] <SteveA> wait
[03:01] <SteveA> I'm expectin net week
[03:01] <SteveA> next week
[03:01] <flacoste> ok, i'll wait then
[03:33] <flacoste> BjornT, kiko: do you mind me trivialing a defaultview directive for IPerson on the IBugsLayer?
[03:33] <flacoste> test included free of charge
[03:33] <kiko> flacoste, taking to +assignedbugs?
[03:33] <flacoste> yes
[03:33] <kiko> should we just rename +assignedbugs? I'm okay with it anyway
[03:35] <BjornT> flacoste: i'm ok with that as well, thanks for doing it :)
[03:36] <flacoste> consider it done
[03:36] <kiko> BjornT, did you see mdz's email about including a dupe link in the bug notification?
[03:36] <kiko> want me to do that?
[03:37] <BjornT> kiko: sure, that would be good.
[03:37] <kiko> is there a bug filed for that evennn?
[03:37] <kiko> stub, can you look at that mini-patch I sent to you yesterday? it blocks my cronscript progress
[03:37] <BjornT> i think so....
[03:37] <kiko> it's 1 minute for you
[03:37] <kiko> and a lifetime for me
[03:38] <mdz> is it Friday already?
[03:38] <BjornT> kiko: bug 29345
[03:38] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29345 in malone "Duplicate bug report notification in email should contain the URL" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/29345 - Assigned to Bjrn Tillenius (bjornt)
[03:38] <kiko> thanks BjornT 
[03:38] <kiko> mdz, in australia.
[03:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #29345 in malone "Duplicate bug report notification in email should contain the URL" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/29345
[03:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82663 in launchpad "Launchpad doesn't support teams with the same admin" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82663
[03:51] <kiko> salgado, wtf?
[03:52] <salgado> the guy's on crack; he's trying to use his email address as the team's email
[03:52] <kiko> that's another bug
[03:53] <kiko> I mean
[03:53] <kiko> it's a bug that you can't use an existing email address as a team email address
[03:55] <salgado> is it? why would you want a team which has your email as its contact address? just use your account where you'd use the team
[03:56] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82664 in launchpad "Don't show "edit" options you are not able to edit" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82664
[03:56] <kiko> not my email address
[03:56] <kiko> but two teams with the same email address
[04:04] <salgado> flacoste, have you seen my reply to the last code review you did for me?
[04:04] <flacoste> salgado: trivialities?
[04:04] <salgado> yeah
[04:05] <flacoste> didn't received it yet
[04:05] <flacoste> salgado: ^^^
[04:06] <salgado> great, smtp is fucked up again. :/
[04:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82669 in launchpad "X-Generated-By header should contain instance identifier" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82669
[04:06] <salgado> sorry for bothering, flacoste
[04:08] <flacoste> salgado: not a problem, we stomped on each other toes regarding the bug 826664
[04:08] <flacoste> err, bug 82664
[04:08] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82664 in launchpad "Don't show links to edit a project when the user is not allowed to" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82664
[04:08] <salgado> ouch, really?
[04:08] <flacoste> i marked it as a dupe while you edited the description, I unmark the dupe
[04:09] <salgado> I was going to mark it as a dupe, but then matsubara pointed to me that it actually contained another issue
[04:09] <flacoste> indeed
[04:12] <flacoste> popey: ping
[04:15] <popey> flacoste: pong
[04:16] <flacoste> hi popey, did you receive other duplicate this week, or only today?
[04:16] <popey> pretty sure it was this week, not just today
[04:16] <popey> but I delete them pretty quick
[04:16] <flacoste> ok, thanks, i'll investigate that
[04:17] <popey> i have had some since the bug report
[04:17] <popey> in the last few hours
[04:17] <popey> if you need me to forward mails or headers, just let me know
[04:17] <flacoste> no, the one you pasted in the bug report were fine
[04:20] <flacoste> popey: other thing, is it for every notification or only some of them?
[04:21] <popey> i am unsure of the pattern
[04:21] <flacoste> but is it for every notifications?
[04:21] <popey> i think so
[04:22] <matsubara> flacoste: I just checked my ticket mailbox and I do have some dupe emails and can bounce them to you if it'll help.
[04:22] <flacoste> matsubara: yes, please do
[04:25] <matsubara> flacoste: done
[04:25] <flacoste> matsubara: thanks!
[04:25] <flacoste> and matsubara: in your case, is it for every notifications, or some of them only?
[04:26] <popey> I dont mind that bug being public - that email address is well known and gets enough spam already. if it's policy to keep private, fair enough, but dont keep it that way on my account
[04:26] <matsubara> flacoste: some only
[04:27] <matsubara> flacoste: I had some emails from the ticket 3406 that weren't duplicated. Would help you bounce those as well?
[04:27] <flacoste> matsubara: yeah, why not
[04:28] <popey> 3398 is not duplicated forme
[04:28] <popey> 3363 is
[04:29] <flacoste> popey: can you bounce me 3363 and 3398 (francis dot lacoste at canonical do com)
[04:29] <popey> 3437 is not duplicated, 3436 is
[04:29] <popey> done
[04:42] <seb128> hey launchpad team, do you know about any problem with baazar.launchpad.net atm?
[04:42] <seb128> bzr: ERROR: Unable to connect to SSH host baazar.launchpad.net; EOF during negotiation
[04:43] <seb128> while trying to bzr push code
[04:43] <Nafallo> bazaar?
[04:43] <Nafallo> i.e. typo :-)
[04:45] <seb128> Nafallo: good point ;)
[04:45] <seb128> the error handling could be better :p
[04:45] <Nafallo> indeed :-)
[04:45] <Nafallo> gimme a 404 ffs! ;-)
[05:03] <salgado> is there anybody taking care of merging devel into beta and solving the conflicts?
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #39222 in launchpad-support-tracker "Support tracker email should have References header" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/39222
[05:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #50565 in launchpad-support-tracker "[Support $support_id]  should be added only if it isn't in the subject line already" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/50565
[05:39] <SteveA> salgado: yes
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #34050 in launchpad-support-tracker "Unable to retarget support request" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/34050
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #37893 in launchpad-support-tracker "Launchpad support mails needs a header in the same format of bugmails." [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/37893
[05:40] <Ubugtu> New bug: #39214 in launchpad-support-tracker "Status of the request in the support tracker mail." [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/39214
[05:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #57094 in launchpad-support-tracker "New support ticket email doesn't include package name" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/57094
[05:49] <popey> flacoste: bah, my mail got bounced, got your address wrong, sending again
[05:49] <popey> sorry
[05:50] <flacoste> popey: that's why i didn't received them! thanks!
[05:50] <popey> done
[05:54] <flacoste> popey: i reiceived them thanks!
[05:54] <LarstiQ> very eager!
[05:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #4935 in launchpad-support-tracker "/projects/whatever/+tickets returns NotFound error" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/4935
[06:10] <jwendell> how do i remove a task from a bug?
[06:10] <salgado> jwendell, there's no way to actually remove it, but you can change its status to rejected, which has a similar effect
[06:11] <jwendell> salgado, no, it hasn't
[06:11] <jwendell> salgado, the bug does not appear in the list
[06:11] <jwendell> salgado, please, take a look: bug 81574
[06:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81574 in gnome-power-manager "gnome-power-manager is not starting automatically" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81574 - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs)
[06:12] <salgado> jwendell, if it's rejected it'll only show in any list if you use the advanced search and explicitely choose to include rejected bugs
[06:12] <jwendell> salgado, that bug does not appear in the list of g-p-m bugs - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bugs
[06:12] <radix> barry: looks like you are going to be working on some really useful stuff :)
[06:13] <barry> radix: i hope (and think) so! :)
[06:13] <jwendell> salgado, did you understand what i mean?
[06:14] <salgado> jwendell, no, I don't. I can see it on the list of bugs of ubuntu's gnome-power-manager. (https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bugs)
[06:15] <jwendell> salgado, ah, my bad, sorry
[06:15] <jwendell> :)
[06:15] <jwendell> salgado, but is on your plans add that feature on malone?
[06:16] <salgado> AFAIK, not
[06:17] <SteveA> kiko-fud: I'm getting lifeless to do something evil to pqm, which unfortunately means you'll need to re-submit your script-base stuff
[07:02] <sabdfl> bad robot. BS?
[07:02] <sabdfl> BG?
[07:03] <sabdfl> lots of tamarind in mexico - makes great margaritas
[07:05] <sabdfl> SteveA: where does the root object live?
[07:05] <sabdfl> if i want to add a view there?
[07:05] <sabdfl> and need to hammer the db to get data for it?
[07:05] <sabdfl> i.e. where is the equivalent database class?
[07:05] <sabdfl> i found webapp/publisher.py:RootObject
[07:06] <sabdfl> but that seems pretty vestigial
[07:14] <oojah> Hi
[07:14] <oojah> I have a product with multiple translation templates.
[07:15] <oojah> Is it possible to download all translated files at once, or must I download the .po files for each template separately?
[07:18] <sabdfl> you can get them all
[07:21] <sabdfl> carlos or danilos would know how
[07:21] <sabdfl> oojah: ^^
[07:21] <kiko> can you really?
[07:21] <oojah> Thanks
[07:21] <danilos> oojah: yeah, just get the tarball from the translations page
[07:21] <danilos> oojah: though, you'll have to do it by-template (i.e. one tarball with all PO files for each template)
[07:22] <oojah> Right, ok.
[07:22] <oojah> That's a bit of a pain.
[07:22] <kiko> oojah, in other words, summarizing everything everybody else said, the answer to your question is no. :-)
[07:22] <danilos> oojah: also note that we are still having some issues with export queue, so you'll probably have to wait until tomorrow for that to be fixed
[07:23] <oojah> :)
[07:23] <danilos> oojah: but please, file a bug report about it, it totally makes sense to have such a feature, and shouldn't be hard to do
[07:23] <oojah> danilos: That's no problem, we're still really evaluating the capabilities of Rosetta.
[07:23] <oojah> I'm not after translations right now.
[07:24] <oojah> danilos: I was going to, don't worry! :) I'm not keen on downloading 50 odd tar balls separately.
[07:24] <danilos> oojah: wow, you've got 50 templates? what product is this about, if it's not top-secret? :)
[07:25] <oojah> danilos: It's actually a group of products.
[07:25] <oojah> https://launchpad.net/products/?text=ggz
[07:26] <danilos> oojah: are these at least part of a single 'project'?
[07:26] <oojah> danilos: Not on launchpad at the moment.
[07:26] <oojah> I will be requesting that in the future though.
[07:28] <danilos> oojah: ok, then it would be simple to create an 'download all translations for project/product'
[07:29] <oojah> danilos: That'd be great.
[07:29] <oojah> Thanks for your help as ever.
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82718 in launchpad "bounces@canonical.com interacts poorly with debian.org" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82718
[08:46] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82721 in rosetta "Downloading all translated files for a project/product in a single tarball should be possible." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82721
[09:26] <salgado-afk> -/back
[09:47] <WebMaven> Can anyone tell me what the *default* set of repositories is for Dapper and Edgy?
[09:48] <kiko> WebMaven, for dapper /or/ edgy? isn't that an #ubuntu question?
[09:48] <WebMaven> I suppose so.
[09:48] <WebMaven> but I meant 'and'.
[09:48] <WebMaven> I need both.
[09:49] <WebMaven> Ok, off I go.
[09:50] <kiko> WebMaven, I'm not sure what the defaults are, unfortunately, I've mangled mine significantly
[09:50] <kiko> what do you want to know specifically?
[09:50] <WebMaven> Whether Universe is enabled by default.
[09:52] <ajmitch> no, it's not
[09:52] <WebMaven> Hmm. OK.
[09:53] <WebMaven> main and restricted by default, but not universe or multiverse. Got it.
[09:53] <WebMaven> thx.
[10:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #3590 in launchpad-support-tracker "Navigation to product from general support page should be improved." [Wishlist,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3590
[11:09] <sabdfl> ileUploadFactory instance at 0x9701a2c>
[11:09] <sabdfl> 2007/02/01 22:07 GMT [-]  twisted.web.server.Site starting on 58080
[11:09] <sabdfl> 2007/02/01 22:07 GMT [-]  Starting factory <twisted.web.server.Site instance at 0x9701cac>
[11:09] <sabdfl> 2007/02/01 22:07 GMT [-]  daemon ready!
[11:09] <sabdfl> make: *** [run]  Quit (core dumped)
[11:09] <sabdfl> virry niiiiice
[11:15] <thumper> sabdfl: which branch?
[11:15] <sabdfl> my current dev
[11:15] <sabdfl> am running feisty
[11:15] <sabdfl> but this is python2.4
[11:15] <sabdfl> so, unexpected
[11:15] <sabdfl> never seen a core dump before with lp
[11:16] <thumper> are you using python2.4 or 2.5 on feisty?
[11:16] <thumper> forcing lp to 2.4?
[11:16] <thumper> I take it feisty has 2.5 by default?
[11:17] <crimsun> crimsun@garnish:~$ python -V
[11:17] <crimsun> Python 2.5
[11:18] <sabdfl> lp makefiles use 2.4
[11:19] <thumper> ok
[11:20] <kiko> sabdfl, wow. does that happen always, upon startup?
[11:21] <sabdfl> kiko: no, it just happened the once
[11:21] <sabdfl> cosmic ray
[11:21] <kiko> sabdfl, doing anything special? 
[11:21] <kiko> go figure
[11:31] <Ubugtu> New bug: #82745 in launchpad "Not all tagged bugs show up in when querying by tag" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82745