=== jbailey is now known as jbailey-afk === mpt_ [n=mpt@121.72.132.199] has joined #launchpad === MagicFab [n=magicfab@ubuntu/member/magicfab] has joined #launchpad === ctrlsoft [n=jelmer@145.97.197.151] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-117.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad === Spads [n=spacehob@host-84-9-50-117.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #launchpad === mpt__ [n=mpt@121-72-132-199.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === Odd_Blok1 is now known as Odd_Bloke === mpt__ is now known as mpt [12:51] what does it mean that i have an unthemed lp on lp.dev? [12:52] is it a permissions issue, perhaps, for the css and images? === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@195.71.21.177] has joined #launchpad === Rinchen is now known as Rin|snowblowing === mpt_ [n=mpt@121-72-132-173.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === jkakar_ is now known as jkakar [01:05] oh, bad proxy conf [01:19] what's the official way to get the current user? [01:19] is it through the launchbag, or do we have a better way? === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #launchpad === Rin|snowblowing is now known as Rinchen [02:13] sabdfl, if it's view code, use the launchbag [02:13] sabdfl, or self.user in a LaunchpadView [02:13] it's in a vocabulary, and there are other refs to launchbag so i'll use that [02:14] thanks! === kiko-afk is now known as kiko-zzz === beuno [n=martin@200.127.224.13] has joined #launchpad === logikon [n=daniel@201009099174.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #launchpad === Nafallo 2&1> bed === czedlitz [n=czedlitz@ip70-161-80-244.hr.hr.cox.net] has left #launchpad ["Leaving"] === jkakar [n=jkakar@204-174-36-228.unknown-dhcp802.dsl.ucc-net.ca] has joined #launchpad === jcolonel [n=administ@adsl-065-013-139-245.sip.mcn.bellsouth.net] has joined #launchpad [03:58] yes === mpt_ is now known as mpt === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.15.14.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@190.37.175.250] has joined #launchpad === Bhaskar [n=Bhaskar@202.79.37.177] has joined #launchpad [04:51] soyuz cronjobs have been switched off in preparation for a launchpad rollout === poolie_ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-133-73.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad [05:09] where can I find info about the karma drop ? [05:10] in the topixc [05:10] s/x// [05:12] that explains why I was getting karma when not doing anything... [05:12] I thought it counted mailing list participation or wiki edits ;) [05:21] i have completed 100% translation yesterday of template:https://launchpad.net/schooltool/development/+pots/schooltool.commendation but now it seems 0% why this problem in launchpad translation template === mpt_ [n=mpt@121-72-133-73.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === poolie_ [n=mbp@ppp112-44.static.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === mpt__ [n=mpt@121.72.133.90] has joined #launchpad === mpt_ [n=mpt@121-72-129-92.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has left #launchpad ["Ex-Chat"] === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #launchpad === mpt__ [n=mpt@121-72-129-92.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === neversfelde [n=chrman@195.71.21.177] has joined #launchpad === stu1 [n=stub@ppp-58.8.14.207.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-200-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #launchpad === freet15 [n=freet15@61.149.3.59] has joined #launchpad === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-135-188.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.149.0.133] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad [08:38] jamesh: the problem of queue clearance syatem is solved or not? roastte is not sending mo and po [08:42] Bhaskar: stub was doing a rollout today, so things should work [08:42] stu1: the error reports list is listing lock errors for rosetta-export-queue.py. Is that just because it is currently processing the back log? [08:43] or is it a stale lock? [08:43] jamesh, ok , hope this will work today === marcus_notebook [n=mholthau@pub082136116166.dh-hfc.datazug.ch] has joined #launchpad === mpt_ [n=mpt@121-72-135-188.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [n=matthew@p46222.net.upc.nl] has joined #launchpad === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #launchpad [09:00] morning [09:02] morning === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #launchpad === Fujitsu prods beta. === jml_ [n=jml@ppp106-67.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [09:20] New bug: #82618 in launchpad "Launchpad: Notification of failure from the mirror prober" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82618 [09:25] jamesh: Could be either (I killed it during rollout). I'll have a look. === stu1 is now known as stub === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #launchpad === medders [n=matt@81.168.72.134] has joined #launchpad [10:27] morning all [10:27] is anyone looking at the "support system sends multiple emails" issue that is ongoing (and has been for a while) === mrevell [n=matthew@e190084.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #launchpad [10:30] morning mrevell [10:30] hey popey - you well? === ddaa [n=david@e190084.upc-e.chello.nl] has joined #launchpad [10:32] tickety boo [10:32] added LRL07 to my diary :) [10:33] any chance you can get someone to look at the problem where launchpad sends two mails instead of one, from the support tracker [10:33] its a bit annoying === lfittl [n=lfittl@83.64.250.38] has joined #launchpad === uriel [n=uriel@suckless.org] has joined #launchpad === kiko-zzz [n=kiko@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === Ppjet6 [n=ppjet6@81.56.130.254] has joined #launchpad === asw [n=asw@karuna.med.harvard.edu] has joined #launchpad === ctrlsoft [n=jelmer@cl-710.ams-01.nl.sixxs.net] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir [n=Gwaihir@mail.foredil.it] has joined #launchpad === Gwaihir is now known as Gwaihir_work [10:47] popey: Sorry, I'm having some net connection problems at the moment. I was just seeing if I could find the bug number. === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-147.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #launchpad === jinty [n=jinty@64.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #launchpad === mdz [n=mdz@217.205.109.249] has joined #launchpad === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-147.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #launchpad [11:46] bugger [11:46] stub: help [11:46] You want me to bugger you??? [11:47] easy tiger [11:47] or should i say "STEP UP!" [11:52] sigh - the UI and usability on the poll system is lacking... finesse === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #launchpad [11:58] oh for heavens sake! [11:58] the poll system is driving *me* nuts === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #launchpad [11:59] mrevell: I can't find a bug report for it, want me to file one? === matsubara [n=matsubar@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad [12:00] popey: Yeah, please do :) [12:01] ok [12:05] New bug: #82626 in launchpad "Poll creation should allow you to add options" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82626 [12:09] mrevell: bug 82629 [12:09] Malone bug 82629 in launchpad "Duplicate emails from support tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82629 [12:10] New bug: #82627 in launchpad "Poll options should be possible to deactivate" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82627 [12:11] popey: cool, thanks. === niemeyer [n=niemeyer@200.138.37.216] has joined #launchpad === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad [12:15] New bug: #82629 in launchpad "Duplicate emails from support tracker" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82629 === salgado [n=salgado@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad [12:57] gooooooood morning [12:57] hey static [12:58] static, don't steal my line :-) === mpt_ is now known as mpt [12:58] I've got to copy the best [12:58] mpt, you normally have a few times more `o's. [12:59] static, in that case I think you want "Dobroye utro" === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable207.210-200-24.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === static tries to remember his russian [01:00] Hello, and welcome to this week's Launchpad Development meeting [01:00] who is here today? [01:00] here [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:00] me [01:01] me [01:01] me [01:01] carlos, stub, cprov, kiko [01:01] me [01:01] me === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko [01:01] barry? [01:01] matsubara: (aside) no, should not be possible to deactivate options once the poll is open, just while you are editing them [01:01] not up to date [01:01] does barry know there's a meeting now? [01:01] here [01:01] me [01:02] sabdfl: according with the spec it should be possible [01:02] static: would you call barry? [01:02] me [01:02] SteveA: will do [01:02] sabdfl: and it is possible to de-activate the option when it's not yet open [01:02] matsubara: then the spec is wrong. deactivating a poll option is like editing poll options, its unfair to those who have voted already [01:03] ah [01:03] thanks [01:03] == Agenda == [01:03] * Roll call [01:03] * Agenda [01:03] * Next meeting [01:03] * Activity reports [01:03] hello hungry hackers [01:03] * Actions from last meeting [01:03] matsubara: privmsg so we don't disrupt the meeting [01:03] * Oops report (Matsubara) [01:03] * Bug report (mpt) [01:03] * Bug tags [01:03] * Production and staging (Stuart) [01:03] * Launchpad 1.0 status reports [01:03] * Sysadmin requests [01:03] ---- [01:03] * A top user-affecting issue (MatthewRevell) [01:03] * (other items) [01:03] ---- [01:03] * Three sentences [01:03] [01:03] next meeting, same time, same place next week [01:03] say now if you expect to be away [01:04] ddaa, spiv: are thumper and jml not here? [01:04] we agreed that one person from the bzr-launchpad team down under come to this meeting as a representative [01:04] of that team [01:05] have absence of proof about them, no proof of absence... [01:05] me [01:05] spiv: are you that representative? [01:05] SteveA: No; or at least, although I'm present, I haven't been briefed on anything to represent for the team. [01:05] (or otherwise anointed) [01:06] spiv: ok. please take back to the bzr-launchpad team that either they should be here, or send an envoy [01:06] Will do. [01:06] and please would you act as that envoy today, and take back a summary of anything important to bzr-lp development [01:06] Sure. === ddaa adds meeting item to BazaarMeetingAgenda [01:07] ddaa: I was just loading that page :) [01:07] thanks spiv [01:07] * Activity reports. Who is hot, and who is not? [01:07] I am not [01:07] I am not. [01:07] up to date other than Monday, which is on my home PC (I'm at Bzr NL atm). [01:07] Up to date [01:07] hot [01:07] not [01:07] up to date [01:08] I am note (will send out this weeks after the meeting) [01:08] I'm hot. (missing yesterday's report, but will send it today) [01:08] I am not [01:08] s/note/not/ [01:08] I'm up to date, starting from the sprint last week. [01:08] Not up to date, but I will be by the end of the meeting ... [01:08] I am not, will send out this weeks after the meeting [01:08] [01:08] == People who were lax with activity reporting last week == [01:08] * cprov: "not I haven't caught up properly, still suck" [01:08] * salgado: "I sent a summary for last week and this week I'm almost up to date (missing yesterday's only)" [01:08] * static: "I suck, a few days behind" [01:08] * SteveA: "I'm still slack..." [01:08] === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [01:09] up to date, on sprint [01:09] up to date [01:09] tsk tsk [01:09] kiko: where is cprov? [01:10] SteveA, on holidays. [01:10] ah, okay. [01:10] here [01:10] hi barry [01:10] after all, he only took one week and a half for all of last year [01:10] and one of those weeks was to get married [01:10] welcome to barry warsaw. [01:10] hi SteveA [01:10] this is the weekly launchpad development meeting [01:10] barry: welcome :) [01:10] isn't it "welcome to warsaw, barry?" [01:11] New bug: #41954 in rosetta "/rosetta/imports/ page timing out" [Medium,Needs info] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41954 [01:11] kiko: :) [01:11] barry: welcome [01:11] barry: agenda is here https://launchpad.canonical.com/MeetingAgenda [01:11] yep, sorry, did know about it! [01:11] welcome, barry! [01:11] didn't [01:11] hi barry , welcome! [01:11] hey barry, welcome! [01:11] hi everyone ;) [01:11] so barry is our Mail Man? [01:11] would someone update the channel title with the next meeting please? [01:12] he is our postgresql problems man for now === ..[topic/#launchpad:mpt] : Karma dropped? See https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaReductionJan07 - Developer meeting: Thu 7 Feb 2007, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 [01:12] thanks mpt [01:12] kiko: lol === ..[topic/#launchpad:mpt] : Karma dropped? See https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaReductionJan07 - Developer meeting: Thu 8 Feb 2007, 1200UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === mpt can't count [01:12] mpt: but you can draw [01:12] oh yes [01:12] * Actions from last meeting [01:12] mpt: use a calendar :) [01:12] * kiko to mail launchpad@ with an oops report [01:12] * carlos and danilo to arrange rollout of Firefox support with stub [01:12] are meetings in google cal? === kiko looks around for this suspiciously looking character kiko [01:13] barry: they're in mine. not in a shared one, though. [01:13] SteveA: hum, we haven't even started on this [01:13] SteveA: k [01:13] SteveA: hmm, I was not aware of that action... anyway, the code is not even reviewed/merged... [01:13] I didn't send this report, but matsubara did produce one. I guess it's too late to say I'm sorry [01:13] * matthewrevell to put the fif-candidate tag into the declined tags with a reason, and clarify the description of fix-it-friday [01:13] * matthewrevell to mail the list when he has retyped his SystemStatusPage spec [01:13] done and done [01:14] * kiko to prioritize Laser``Jock's list of MOTU-related bugs [01:14] * SteveA to give feedback to flacoste on SupportTrackerRename [01:14] * everyone to read mpt's message about UI blockers [01:14] I did that! [01:14] I gave flacoste feedback [01:14] SteveA: I don't even remember this being set as the action item for last week [01:14] SteveA: I do remember you mentioning it as 'organize this between yourself, carlos and stub', though [01:14] danilos: I'm going off the actions listed on MeetingAgenda. They may be wrong. Check the meeting summary if you think there's a mistake. [01:15] the FF support stuff is important, so I think we should track it somehow [01:15] SteveA: sure, I agree [01:15] maybe through the 1.0 progress [01:15] SteveA: it's already there [01:15] hallo [01:15] I'm here for once. [01:15] so, write email to stuart cc list to organise getting important stuff rolled out [01:16] mpt: right [01:16] right, because we have more database-rollout-trickiness than usual right now [01:16] so it's important to keep stub aware of what needs doing when, and what the implications are [01:16] thanks mpt [01:16] is this because we're not doing full rollouts at the moment ? [01:17] we have just done a full rollout, no? [01:17] we are doing full rollouts [01:17] they are more complicated than usual, because of running beta [01:17] lifeless: we've got multiple code bases on the same db now [01:17] because we need to freeze the db schema or the beta and edge code updates stop happening [01:17] and we're making a transition to beta-ui on mainline and a production branch [01:17] Possibly I misunderstood the meaning of "important stuff", but the discussion was about bug 46982 depending on the Firefox support. [01:17] Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to (danilo) [01:17] righto [01:17] so this is important to arrange clearly with stub [01:17] * Oops report (Matsubara) [01:17] mpt: that's right [01:17] Today's oops report is about bugs 68295, 52574 and 78780. [01:17] Bug 68295 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/68295 is private [01:18] I re-opened bug 68295 due recent oopses on beta and salgado agreed to take care of it. [01:18] stub, I raised the importance of bug 78780. Will you have time to fix it soon? [01:18] It's our top oops atm. [01:18] Malone bug 78780 in launchpad "Code that handles pillar names redirection shouldn't crash when the URL contains non-ascii characters" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78780 - Assigned to Stuart Bishop (stub) [01:18] yeah. [01:18] that code needs some improvement [01:18] Bug 52574 is a weird one. Any Zope hacker out there could investigate this further? SteveA already did some investigation but I don't know a way to reproduce it === Spads [n=spacehob@195.248.90.24] has joined #launchpad [01:18] Malone bug 52574 in launchpad "Surrogate error in Zope component architecture leading to an OOPS" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52574 [01:18] I have a fix for bug 68295 already, but it requires db changes [01:18] matsubara: Not this week [01:19] matsubara, is it a big deal? [01:19] matsubara: we need to leave bug 52574 for a while. it occurs infrequently, and is extremely difficult to investigate. [01:19] matsubara: I don't think it is a big deal, as it just means users get a 500 instead of a 404 [01:19] matsubara: I've spoken with jim fulton about it. [01:19] matsubara: I'll talk with him further at pycon, in person. so you can note that in the report if you think it'll help. [01:20] SteveA: right, I just bring it up because the frequence it happens increased recently [01:20] matsubara: how many times per day? [01:20] are the number of requests increasing at the same rate? [01:20] SteveA: it doesn't happen every day, but now when it happens two OOPS are recorded. [01:21] in other words, if it affects 0.01% (for example) of requests [01:21] is that number increasing? [01:21] if so, that's something we should be concerned about [01:21] SteveA: not really. [01:21] but if launchpad is getting more popular, and so it is increasing, that is not so much to be worried about [01:21] if we don't have the stats available to answer that question, we should get those stats [01:21] right [01:21] it's important to see oops frequencies in the context of total use of the service [01:22] Bug 68295 may stop oopsing after todays rollout, although the bug should remain open until we have more caching [01:22] Bug 68295 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/68295 is private [01:22] ok, so I'll look into this at the end of the month [01:22] thanks matsubara. anything more on the oops report? [01:23] stub: I do think it's a big deal when users follow a link to launchpad and it oops instead of a nice 404. [01:23] is that an actual link they followed? [01:23] re: 78780, yes salgado [01:24] SteveA: I'm done here. thanks everyone. [01:24] tlgraham12 2007-02-01 03:49:16 UTC [01:24] you guy stop fucking emailing me [01:24] despite two polite sets of instructions [01:25] * Bug report (mpt) [01:25] ... up to date! [01:25] ahem [01:25] There are 2058 known bugs in Launchpad without released fixes, of which only 11 are Critical. (Yay!) Of these, the oldest six are: [01:25] so butting in two points on the above: a) flacoste please file a bug on having us be able to kick people out of the support contacts for a product and b) please remove this guy in the DB, stub [01:25] * Bug #30602 (Timeout errors in +translate), Critical, In Progress, kiko [01:25] Malone bug 30602 in rosetta "Timeout errors in +translate" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/30602 - Assigned to Christian Reis (kiko) [01:25] kiko, how's that branch of yours going? [01:25] it's going well [01:25] I have reduced the number of queries [01:25] and I am now curious as to how much it will improve things [01:25] How will you test it? [01:25] it will reduce timeouts for sure [01:25] * Bug #46982 (Need to support KDE like plural forms), Critical, In Progress, danilos [01:25] Malone bug 46982 in rosetta "Need to support KDE like plural forms" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46982 - Assigned to (danilo) [01:25] only question is by how much [01:26] mpt, by landing it. :-) [01:26] a-ha [01:26] danilos, so, the Firefox support this depends on isn't done yet. Do you think it will be at the next rollout? [01:26] beta is down btw [01:26] mpt, probably.. now. [01:26] errr not. [01:26] * Bug #49989 (branch puller reports failure for new hosted branches), Critical, In Progress, spiv [01:26] Malone bug 49989 in launchpad-bazaar "branch puller reports failure for new hosted branches" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49989 - Assigned to Andrew Bennetts (spiv) [01:26] spiv, any ETA on that? [01:26] mpt: quite likely, if it's in two weeks time [01:26] kiko: he asked no more mail, no he's being spammed by helpful message on how not to receive mail anymore :) [01:26] danilos, coolness. [01:26] poetic justice, I say [01:26] * Bug #68295 (private), Critical, Fix Committed, salgado [01:27] salgado, did that land in yesterday's rollout? If not, does it deserve cherrypicking? [01:27] ddaa, he is a dork, but I'd rather he didn't swear in our support requests. [01:27] kiko: did you read my comments about the timeouts ? === salgado checks [01:27] Not ETA yet, although part of the problem was attacked at the sprint last week, and jml now has that branch waiting for review. [01:27] mpt: what jml and spiv were working on at the sprint should fix 49989 [01:27] carlos, I did not, where are they [01:27] kiko: in the email about Feisty translation opening (the one tried two weeks ago) [01:27] I'm not sure if that branch alone will resolve 49989, or just improve it. [01:27] Fix for 68295 landed today (well... partial fix so priority can be lowered) [01:28] mpt, the fix I had is now in production, although it improves the situation a lot we still have some work to do [01:28] carlos, what were the comments about? [01:28] Hmm, it probably will fix it. [01:28] stub/salgado, so should a new bug report be written for the rest? [01:28] * Bug #74816 (Launchpad should return a 404 HTTP error instead of 500 for non-existant domains), Critical, Confirmed, SteveA [01:28] kiko: seems like the queries are slow only when other things are hitting the DB, but they are quite fast in carbon's mirror [01:28] Malone bug 74816 in launchpad "Launchpad should return a 404 HTTP error instead of 500 for non-existant domains" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74816 - Assigned to Steve Alexander (stevea) [01:28] SteveA, can you briefly say why this is Critical? (It seems Low to me.) [01:28] it's not critical [01:28] kiko: so reducing the amount of queries will help, but the problem would be in other place [01:28] I'd say it's medium [01:28] ok, I'll change it [01:29] who set it to critical and why? [01:29] * Bug #74839 (Dropdown menus in 1.0 UI do not drop down), Critical, Confirmed, mpt [01:29] I still suck because I still haven't fixed this. jamesh has given me some tips, though. [01:29] Malone bug 74839 in launchpad "Dropdown menus in 1.0 UI do not drop down" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/74839 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt) [01:29] carlos, well, reducing the number of queries reduces the likelihood we lock [01:29] mpt, the bug's description is wrong since it was reported. I'll fix it [01:29] carlos, I sincerely think that the update to the pofile we do /every commit/ is a problem... [01:29] salgado, thanks [01:29] carlos, (or is it pofilecache?) [01:29] SteveA, it was someone called "Christian Reis" [01:29] mpt: adopting the old CSS wholesale for the menus might be easiest for that bug [01:30] New bug: #82641 in launchpad "[feisty] firefox full screen" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82641 [01:30] jamesh, I tried that, and it made the location bar disappear completely. [01:30] kiko: I will be happy to see a way to handle live statistics without doing it (those ones cannot be deferred to be updated with an script or Rosetta will not be so useful) [01:30] yikes [01:30] kiko: anyway, let's talk about it after the meeting [01:30] kiko: why did you mark that as critical? did you leave a comment saying why it is critical? [01:30] SteveA, me? [01:30] why did I mark what as critical? [01:31] kiko, https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/74816/+activity [01:31] mpt: Updated bug 68whatever [01:31] Malone bug 68 in baz "show-changeset --diffs should provide diff for added files" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/68 [01:31] SteveA, apart from that, I'm done, thanks [01:31] oh that bug [01:31] when you mark something as critical [01:31] or indeed any other value [01:31] always leave a comment saying why [01:31] SteveA, because it happens in real life following links from launchpad [01:31] then say so in the bug [01:31] and I am happy to have marked it critical and you have discussed it [01:31] following what links? [01:32] I am now fine with bumping it down [01:32] I think it should be not critical but medium [01:32] o [01:32] okk [01:32] marking it critical is a way to get you people to look at the bugs [01:32] because otherwise you don't [01:32] we discussed this in a meeting before [01:32] I will bump it down [01:32] here's the rules for changing launchpad bug importance: [01:32] - anyone on the team can set the importance of bugs [01:33] - provided it is set along with a comment explaining why [01:33] *cough* [01:33] SteveA, "Marking critical to get somebody to look at this bug." [01:33] kiko: that's an abuse of Critical tag... [01:33] I argue it is not [01:33] then, I'd just set it back saying "appears to affect no important use-cases, so setting to low" [01:33] great [01:33] It so is [01:33] and I wouldn't end up looking into it [01:34] at least you looked at it [01:34] * Bug tags [01:34] SteveA, except for when its current Importance is "Undecided", for which the reason will always be "This is about how important it is". [01:34] there are no proposed tags [01:34] because otherwise infrastructure people ignore bugs indefinitely. [01:34] * Production and staging (Stuart) [01:34] "you people" [01:34] yes, YOU PEOPLE [01:34] you know who you are [01:34] :-) [01:34] i look at ALL blueprint bugs [01:35] kiko: People looking into non-critical bugs that are flagged as critical stops people from looking at real critical bugs. And will cause people to prioritize things incorrectly when they don't realize it actually isn't critical, just someone giving a 'ping' [01:35] If people are ignoring their bug lists, they're maintaining a list of things to do outside the bug tracker. Which may be a problem. [01:35] New bug: #49989 in launchpad-bazaar "branch puller reports failure for new hosted branches" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49989 [01:35] No complaints from last week, so I assume lifeless kept things ticking away happily while I was on leave. [01:35] Staging is running as normal. After some discussion with elmo, I think we will move the staging database to Carbon when I have time. This seems to be the best way to ensure beta is running on similarly powered hardware to production but without the nasty load spike when the staging rebuild. [01:35] Production systems where updated today. Took a bit longer than expected while I rebuild the bloated KarmaCache table, but downtime was < 30 mins I think. [01:35] edge and beta are currently down as I neglected to do all the bzr merging and conflict resolution before the rollout and haven't been able to finish this yet (or even start looking at the beta branch conflicts yet). [01:35] New bug: #82642 in launchpad-support-tracker "Allow admins to remove support contacts" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82642 [01:35] Ideally someone else will merge the edge branch into the beta branch while I'm asleep, sort out the conflicts and confirm the tests still pass. [01:35] edge should be up soon, beta hopefully tomorrow if someone sorts out the conflicts or I get to do it tomorrow (and if the tests still pass). [01:35] All 5 Launchpad installations now gzip pages if the client supports it which should speed up beta in particular (although clients are still requesting the java script libraries for each page load, which is still a big slow down even if they are compressed). [01:35] Live stats are now available from Launchpad, and I'll start graphing them when I get a chance to update cricket. Quick calculations show production Launchpad has been serving about 8 pages per second (2 pages per second for each of the 4 instances). === lifeless isn't sure whymore cpu use w=ill speed upbeta ;) [01:36] lifeless: It won't, but people don't believe that :) [01:36] stub: beta is now a service we need to publicly support [01:36] ideally, if we can't keep beta running on a rollout, we should revert that rollout [01:37] lifeless: However, the staging db rebuild chews up lots of disk io that might cause issues [01:37] I guess it is too late to do that now [01:37] it is *really* important that we get beta running again today [01:37] SteveA: Yes. Just a lot to juggle during the rollouts and I missed that one cause it is new [01:37] after this meeting I want us to talk about what we need to do to get beta running again [01:37] one point on production [01:37] please [01:37] I updated all our scripts to use GlobalLock [01:37] SteveA: As I said, someone needs to do the merge and resolve the conflicts. Then it can be switched back on. [01:38] "someone" is the tragedy of the commons [01:38] which detects stale locks and allows scripts to run on accordingly [01:38]