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coz_ | evening all:) | 04:07 |
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troy_s | greets coz_ | 04:30 |
coz_ | troy_s, hey guy:0 sorry for delay also helping out in another channel :) | 04:31 |
troy_s | no problem | 04:32 |
troy_s | i am busy here as well | 04:32 |
coz_ | troy_s, so I see fewer and fewer people comingin here ...dissapointed! | 04:32 |
troy_s | not exactly | 04:32 |
coz_ | troy_s, oh? | 04:32 |
troy_s | it has always been rather light | 04:32 |
troy_s | irc just isn't a place for many to idle | 04:32 |
troy_s | which is unfortunate. | 04:32 |
coz_ | troy_s, yeah but to day on ly 14 logges on | 04:32 |
troy_s | yes | 04:32 |
troy_s | it comes and goes | 04:32 |
coz_ | troy_s, ok last few days seemd rather "slim" in attendance | 04:33 |
troy_s | it happens | 04:33 |
coz_ | oh well i can deal:) | 04:33 |
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nysosym | hi all | 09:41 |
klepas | moin | 09:46 |
nysosym | hi klepas :) | 09:48 |
nysosym | how are u? | 09:48 |
klepas | crap | 09:51 |
nysosym | why? | 09:56 |
klepas | backpains | 09:58 |
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nysosym | hi andreasn | 10:17 |
andreasn | hi there | 10:18 |
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nysosym | hi KaiL | 10:19 |
andreasn | nysosym: what's up? | 10:20 |
nysosym | hmm nothing so far, and u? | 10:21 |
andreasn | work, mostly | 10:22 |
nysosym | what do u do? | 10:23 |
andreasn | some icons for a client | 10:25 |
nysosym | nice, for feisty? | 10:26 |
andreasn | for a ISV, I'm not sure what system their customers run, maybe it's sled | 10:28 |
andreasn | or, well, I think their customers can run whatever system the like, as it's crossplatform | 10:30 |
nysosym | ahh ok :) | 10:30 |
andreasn | so maybe they run xp or whatever | 10:30 |
nysosym | can i see them please? :) | 10:30 |
andreasn | not released yet I'm afraid :( | 10:31 |
nysosym | no problem :) | 10:32 |
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poningru | woot it does exist | 11:06 |
poningru | elkbuntu!!! | 11:06 |
elkbuntu | poningru, wot? | 11:06 |
elkbuntu | yeah, i know. im every fricking where | 11:07 |
poningru | shadows please: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd3 | 11:07 |
elkbuntu | do you have all the images on your hdd already? | 11:08 |
poningru | err not really | 11:08 |
elkbuntu | bah. i was hoping for them emailed | 11:08 |
poningru | oh I can do that | 11:08 |
elkbuntu | less likely for me to ADD off halfway through doig them | 11:08 |
elkbuntu | i so need to get myself diagnosed one of these days :-P | 11:09 |
poningru | :p | 11:09 |
poningru | can I just link them? | 11:09 |
poningru | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd3?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Easy_Codec_Installation.png | 11:09 |
poningru | http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/data/500/thunar1.png | 11:10 |
poningru | http://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/data/500/Screenshot-Ekiga.png | 11:10 |
elkbuntu | uh.. email the links | 11:10 |
poningru | kk | 11:10 |
elkbuntu | irc is the worst for distractions | 11:10 |
poningru | sent | 11:13 |
poningru | thanks soo much | 11:13 |
andreasn | thunar - like nautilus, but sane | 11:49 |
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klepas | anyone around? | 03:50 |
troy_s | klepas? | 03:53 |
klepas | hey troy_s | 03:54 |
klepas | how's it going? | 03:54 |
troy_s | fine thanks | 03:55 |
troy_s | little less busy the last week | 03:55 |
klepas | have you heard of some of the ideas to put some kick back into an art group? | 03:55 |
troy_s | no. | 03:56 |
troy_s | if you speak of official work, things might settle down a bit as kwwii is in charge of the wallpaper | 03:56 |
klepas | had a good chat to jono at linux.conf.au, Sydney mid January | 03:56 |
klepas | talking community work | 03:56 |
troy_s | and i believe sabdfl will invite the community to develop the rest. | 03:56 |
klepas | that is aimed for universe | 03:56 |
troy_s | well that's a snap really | 03:56 |
troy_s | very easy for those who are interested | 03:57 |
troy_s | we have also been working with dholbach for automated artwork building | 03:57 |
troy_s | so that the packages get updated automatically | 03:57 |
troy_s | but that is only really relevant for someone who is interested in having a chunk of work in development | 03:57 |
klepas | yea | 03:58 |
troy_s | not the gnome-look 'poop it out and run' mode. | 03:58 |
klepas | well a bunch of us are going to get together and try to do a complete gnome ubuntu desktop themed set | 03:58 |
klepas | from wallpapers to splashes for various apps and whatnot :) | 03:58 |
klepas | and then package that for universe with dholbachs help hopefully | 03:58 |
troy_s | sure | 03:59 |
troy_s | that's easy | 03:59 |
troy_s | shouldn't be an issue | 03:59 |
klepas | didn't consider it to be really :) | 03:59 |
troy_s | what is the motif? | 03:59 |
klepas | a bunch of us are annoyed at the state of the artwork "team" and want to revive it by producing work in a collaborative fashion | 04:00 |
klepas | that's pretty much it i guess | 04:00 |
troy_s | uh that's great | 04:00 |
troy_s | but what is the motif / thematic? | 04:01 |
klepas | as in the theme of the work? | 04:01 |
troy_s | yes | 04:01 |
klepas | not entirely decided yet :) | 04:02 |
klepas | we'll get to it when we start doing some work i guess | 04:02 |
klepas | :) | 04:02 |
troy_s | what are you going to use as the collaborative anchor? | 04:03 |
troy_s | regarding tool | 04:03 |
klepas | elaborate? | 04:03 |
troy_s | how are you going to accomplish the collaboration? | 04:04 |
klepas | it's just a bunch of friendly people communicating via irc and email who are going to get some work done and share the work they do in source files as well | 04:04 |
klepas | a bunch of us have webservers we can use to upload stuff too | 04:05 |
klepas | to, rather | 04:05 |
troy_s | So is it a 'do something to do something' project? | 04:06 |
klepas | it's a "we're creative people and are sick of doing stuff solo, so lets combine skills and talents to do some cool shit for ubuntu!" | 04:07 |
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troy_s | lizardking_: how are you friend? | 04:25 |
troy_s | lizardking_: have you pushed anything new to bzr? | 04:25 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: I'm in study pause :D | 04:26 |
troy_s | lizardking_: also, regarding the logo issue, have you considered changing the title to 'orange soda' or something at least as generic (in north american terms) to avoid the copyright issues? | 04:26 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: I will commit new splash in these days | 04:26 |
troy_s | lizardking_: great. do you have a logo for it yet? | 04:27 |
troy_s | might be nice to have an official logo for the look | 04:28 |
troy_s | (the rather lovely oransoda logo is out obviously) | 04:28 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: In artwork-ML they tell me that because the trademak is of an other category (italian commercial drinking ) and mine is for arts and theming, they think that it will be right | 04:29 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: yes a custom personal logo it will be cool! | 04:29 |
troy_s | Herm... I somehow doubt that lizardking_ | 04:29 |
lizardking_ | Now I report the copyright mail | 04:29 |
troy_s | not to sound depressing, but my wife is a lawyer | 04:29 |
lizardking_ | wait | 04:30 |
troy_s | it isn't just a copyright when it is a logo | 04:30 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: ok ok I will heard you | 04:30 |
troy_s | it is also a registered trademark | 04:30 |
troy_s | etc | 04:30 |
lizardking_ | yes It is a registrant copyright | 04:30 |
troy_s | and the trademark would _probably_ put you in jeopardy | 04:30 |
lizardking_ | jeopardy? | 04:30 |
troy_s | trouble ;) | 04:30 |
troy_s | Namely, they would hold the right to control everything about that brand logo | 04:31 |
troy_s | From name, to colours, etc. | 04:31 |
troy_s | IIRC | 04:31 |
troy_s | So you would be wise to perhaps just avoid it all together and migrate to the more generic "orange soda" -- which would be completely open (as long as you avoid that oransoda logo styling) | 04:32 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: Mhh I do really not want to goes in trouble!!! | 04:32 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: this is the mail | 04:33 |
lizardking_ | For Iacopo Masi, I have done a quick search of oransoda in google-image | 04:33 |
lizardking_ | and I discovered that Oransoda was an italian trademark. I have some | 04:33 |
lizardking_ | basic knowledge about the use of a trademark and there is no possiblity | 04:33 |
lizardking_ | to identify the drink with the theme so you should be able to use that | 04:33 |
lizardking_ | name. So you should remove the post-it in the synopsis that is the | 04:33 |
lizardking_ | pattented logo. | 04:33 |
troy_s | who wrote that though | 04:35 |
troy_s | if they aren't a lawyer, it is nothing more than speculation really. | 04:35 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: From: Yann Papouin <yann.papouin@wanadoo.fr> | 04:35 |
troy_s | the bottom line is either get an authoritative lawyer discussion on ir or avoid it. | 04:36 |
troy_s | s/ir/it | 04:36 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: However if you wife advice me, I will chaned the name early. I do not want to go arrested :D | 04:36 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: I should change all files of 'oransoda' or just the package name? | 04:38 |
troy_s | lizardking_: I'll ask for some free legal advice when she gets home | 04:43 |
troy_s | lizardking_: My gut tells me that if it is a registered trademark that you might want to avoid the complexity and simply change it... | 04:43 |
troy_s | but again, it is well out of my knowledge sphere. | 04:43 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: Thank you very much, friend. What Should I do now? | 04:44 |
troy_s | No idea. | 04:44 |
lizardking_ | change the wiki page name, the package name, the files ...etc? | 04:44 |
troy_s | lizardking_: My personal thinking would be to avoid registered trademarks. | 04:44 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: My personal too :D | 04:44 |
troy_s | lizardking_: but that is your choice... if you want to keep going with it, then it would require some official lawyer thinking. | 04:45 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: But it's a big work to rename all occurrencies. I must rename page wiki, package, files, launchpad product. Right? | 04:45 |
troy_s | The problem is that brand trademarks are very often guarded and protected by the companies that own them. | 04:45 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: Yes and I haven't that support | 04:46 |
troy_s | lizardking_: Yes it would be, unfortunately. I don't see much of any other way. | 04:46 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: Ok So I will create a new page wiki and other rest | 04:46 |
troy_s | For example, you can't put the Pepsi logo on anything, in any capacity, that isn't officially endorsed by Pepsi. | 04:46 |
lizardking_ | right! | 04:46 |
lizardking_ | you are right | 04:46 |
troy_s | The problem lies in the fact that branding in the our current society often distills down to the simple use of a logo (Nike, etc.) | 04:46 |
lizardking_ | it is possibile to rename page wiki? :D | 04:46 |
troy_s | yes | 04:47 |
troy_s | Think before you do it though -- you will need to try and figure out where all the cross links come from. | 04:47 |
troy_s | Pull down tab renames. | 04:47 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: So I should wait your wife or now starting to rename all links? | 04:51 |
troy_s | Even if you get a lawyer's opinion, you will find another lawyer who could argue it. | 04:52 |
troy_s | The problem lies in the fact that there is a _chance_ for issues, and my gut instinct tells me to simply avoid the hassle and avoid it all together. | 04:52 |
troy_s | But again, that is _my_ opinion, and not exactly grounded in an extensive knowledge of global trademark law ;) | 04:52 |
lizardking_ | Mhh ok understand. I m sure to change name | 04:54 |
lizardking_ | Now It is time to work hard to change all name links, files , wiki etc.. sobh :8 | 04:55 |
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troy_s | Most importantly are the logo appearances. | 04:56 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: for example? | 04:56 |
lizardking_ | This is the central page for the development of the Oransoda theme --> the OrangeSoda | 04:57 |
lizardking_ | ??' | 04:57 |
troy_s | If that is your title... | 04:58 |
troy_s | I don't know how many occurances of the OranSoda(TM) logo you have | 04:58 |
lizardking_ | I have some occurances and the wiki page name | 05:02 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: damn, http://www.orangesoda.com/ anohter TM | 05:06 |
troy_s | it is possible | 05:08 |
troy_s | but the reality is that the name "Orange Soda" is pretty generic | 05:08 |
troy_s | I would say that your design versus theirs is quite inherently different | 05:08 |
lizardking_ | So I must pick a less generic name? | 05:09 |
troy_s | Ultimately, it is up to you. | 05:09 |
troy_s | But I think that whatever name you settle on | 05:09 |
troy_s | If you were to say, like Orange Soda | 05:09 |
troy_s | I wouldn't worry about the trademark too much as your design is quite different from theirs | 05:10 |
troy_s | it only really becomes an issue if you start using official logos | 05:10 |
troy_s | etc. | 05:10 |
troy_s | But I preface all of that with the reminder that we are 'guessing' on some level, as we are not lawyers ;) | 05:11 |
lizardking_ | yes right. We are not lawyers | 05:12 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: OranSun, how does it sounds? | 05:12 |
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lizardking_ | troy_s: Are you there? | 05:38 |
troy_s | Yes | 05:38 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: I just alert Daniel Holbach of renaming the package. Now I wait his answer and then If YES I work hard to rename it | 05:39 |
lizardking_ | the main candidates is: OranSun | 05:39 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: Now I return to study | 05:39 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: bye bye. See U soon if meantime they has not put me in jails :D | 05:41 |
troy_s | Lol | 05:42 |
troy_s | take care lizardking_ | 05:42 |
lizardking_ | troy_s: I will do it after Daniel'answer | 05:42 |
lizardking_ | bye | 05:42 |
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lizardking | troy_s: I have some news | 06:10 |
lizardking | it seems good news | 06:12 |
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troy_s | ? | 06:14 |
troy_s | damn | 06:24 |
troy_s | chroot just hooped my system | 06:24 |
troy_s | back in an hour -- whee. | 06:24 |
lizardking | troys_s look at this http://www.wipo.int/cgi-mad/guest/ifetch5?ENG+MADRID-FULL.vdb+11+1200595-KEY+256+0+8814+BASICHTML-ENG+7+50+1+25+SEP-0/HITNUM,PN,MAR,,,IMAGE+HOL%2fcampari+ | 06:26 |
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lizardking | Hi | 07:50 |
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lizardking | troy_s: hi | 08:05 |
lizardking | troy_s: i'm leaving | 08:05 |
troy_s | Nightmarish reinstall scenario | 08:05 |
lizardking | troy_s: after I was telling you | 08:05 |
troy_s | What was the good news? | 08:06 |
lizardking | I dig the search in WIPO site | 08:06 |
lizardking | troy_s: Do you know WIPO? | 08:06 |
troy_s | No. | 08:07 |
lizardking | troy_s: I must go. I leave you with the news. Wipo is World Intellectual Proprerty oraganization, in the site there is a seargh engines for tradmarks | 08:07 |
lizardking | troy_s: I search oransoda | 08:07 |
lizardking | and... | 08:08 |
troy_s | And it wasn't there | 08:08 |
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troy_s | But that doesn't mean that a laywer hasn't legally registered the trademark for OranSoda with their respective government legislative process. | 08:08 |
lizardking | troy_s: no no is there but | 08:08 |
lizardking | troy_s: click here http://www.wipo.int/cgi-mad/guest/ifetch5?ENG+MADRID-FULL.vdb+11+1200595-KEY+256+0+8814+BASICHTML-ENG+7+50+1+25+SEP-0/HITNUM,PN,MAR,,,IMAGE+HOL%2fcampari+ | 08:09 |
troy_s | My Italian stinks. | 08:10 |
lizardking | troy_s: the numer 511 tell the the classification of the registrated trademark. And it is reported in frech things like food, drinks, marmelade, jams, parfums... | 08:10 |
troy_s | Although I recognize Ice Cream in there! | 08:10 |
lizardking | troy_s: Yeah yeah! | 08:10 |
troy_s | Oh yes... it is French sorry | 08:10 |
lizardking | troy_s: Campari is italian | 08:10 |
lizardking | troy_s: I leave now. i have basketball match :D Hoping to win.. | 08:11 |
troy_s | Still a scary thought to me. But again, you are free to do what you wish regarding usage of the name. | 08:11 |
troy_s | Bah. Play hockey. ;) | 08:11 |
lizardking | troy_s: cool | 08:11 |
lizardking | troy_s: however I have ask Daniel and Matthew East.. I'm waiting for them | 08:12 |
lizardking | bye | 08:12 |
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