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coz_evening all:)04:07
troy_sgreets coz_04:30
coz_troy_s, hey guy:0 sorry for delay also helping out in another channel :)04:31
troy_sno problem04:32
troy_si am busy here as well04:32
coz_troy_s, so I see fewer and fewer people comingin here ...dissapointed!04:32
troy_snot exactly04:32
coz_troy_s, oh?04:32
troy_sit has always been rather light04:32
troy_sirc just isn't a place for many to idle04:32
troy_swhich is unfortunate.04:32
coz_troy_s, yeah but to day on ly 14 logges on04:32
troy_syes04:32
troy_sit comes and goes04:32
coz_troy_s, ok last few days seemd rather "slim" in attendance04:33
troy_sit happens04:33
coz_oh well i can deal:)04:33
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nysosymhi all09:41
klepasmoin09:46
nysosymhi klepas :)09:48
nysosymhow are u?09:48
klepascrap09:51
nysosymwhy?09:56
klepasbackpains09:58
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nysosymhi andreasn10:17
andreasnhi there10:18
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nysosymhi KaiL10:19
andreasnnysosym: what's up?10:20
nysosymhmm nothing so far, and u?10:21
andreasnwork, mostly10:22
nysosymwhat do u do?10:23
andreasnsome icons for a client10:25
nysosymnice, for feisty?10:26
andreasnfor a ISV, I'm not sure what system their customers run, maybe it's sled10:28
andreasnor, well, I think their customers can run whatever system the like, as it's crossplatform10:30
nysosymahh ok :)10:30
andreasnso maybe they run xp or whatever10:30
nysosymcan i see them please? :)10:30
andreasnnot released yet I'm afraid :(10:31
nysosymno problem :)10:32
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poningruwoot it does exist11:06
poningruelkbuntu!!!11:06
elkbuntuponingru, wot?11:06
elkbuntuyeah, i know. im every fricking where11:07
poningrushadows please: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd311:07
elkbuntudo you have all the images on your hdd already?11:08
poningruerr not really11:08
elkbuntubah. i was hoping for them emailed11:08
poningruoh I can do that11:08
elkbuntuless likely for me to ADD off halfway through doig them11:08
elkbuntui so need to get myself diagnosed one of these days :-P11:09
poningru:p11:09
poningrucan I just link them?11:09
poningruhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyFawn/Herd3?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=Easy_Codec_Installation.png11:09
poningruhttp://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/data/500/thunar1.png11:10
poningruhttp://ubuntuforums.org/gallery/data/500/Screenshot-Ekiga.png11:10
elkbuntuuh.. email the links11:10
poningrukk11:10
elkbuntuirc is the worst for distractions11:10
poningrusent11:13
poningruthanks soo much11:13
andreasnthunar - like nautilus, but sane11:49
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klepasanyone around?03:50
troy_sklepas?03:53
klepashey troy_s03:54
klepashow's it going?03:54
troy_sfine thanks03:55
troy_slittle less busy the last week03:55
klepashave you heard of some of the ideas to put some kick back into an art group?03:55
troy_sno.03:56
troy_sif you speak of official work, things might settle down a bit as kwwii is in charge of the wallpaper03:56
klepashad a good chat to jono at linux.conf.au, Sydney mid January03:56
klepastalking community work03:56
troy_sand i believe sabdfl will invite the community to develop the rest.03:56
klepasthat is aimed for universe03:56
troy_swell that's a snap really03:56
troy_svery easy for those who are interested03:57
troy_swe have also been working with dholbach for automated artwork building03:57
troy_sso that the packages get updated automatically03:57
troy_sbut that is only really relevant for someone who is interested in having a chunk of work in development03:57
klepasyea03:58
troy_snot the gnome-look 'poop it out and run' mode.03:58
klepaswell a bunch of us are going to get together and try to do a complete gnome ubuntu desktop themed set03:58
klepasfrom wallpapers to splashes for various apps and whatnot :)03:58
klepasand then package that for universe with dholbachs help hopefully03:58
troy_ssure03:59
troy_sthat's easy03:59
troy_sshouldn't be an issue03:59
klepasdidn't consider it to be really :)03:59
troy_swhat is the motif?03:59
klepasa bunch of us are annoyed at the state of the artwork "team" and want to revive it by producing work in a collaborative fashion04:00
klepasthat's pretty much it i guess04:00
troy_suh that's great04:00
troy_sbut what is the motif / thematic?04:01
klepasas in the theme of the work?04:01
troy_syes04:01
klepasnot entirely decided yet :)04:02
klepaswe'll get to it when we start doing some work i guess04:02
klepas:)04:02
troy_swhat are you going to use as the collaborative anchor?04:03
troy_sregarding tool04:03
klepaselaborate?04:03
troy_show are you going to accomplish the collaboration?04:04
klepasit's just a bunch of friendly people communicating via irc and email who are going to get some work done and share the work they do in source files as well04:04
klepasa bunch of us have webservers we can use to upload stuff too04:05
klepasto, rather04:05
troy_sSo is it a 'do something to do something' project?04:06
klepasit's a "we're creative people and are sick of doing stuff solo, so lets combine skills and talents to do some cool shit for ubuntu!"04:07
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troy_slizardking_: how are you friend?04:25
troy_slizardking_: have you pushed anything new to bzr?04:25
lizardking_troy_s: I'm in study pause :D04:26
troy_slizardking_: also, regarding the logo issue, have you considered changing the title to 'orange soda' or something at least as generic (in north american terms) to avoid the copyright issues?04:26
lizardking_troy_s: I will commit new splash in these days04:26
troy_slizardking_: great.  do you have a logo for it yet?04:27
troy_smight be nice to have an official logo for the look04:28
troy_s(the rather lovely oransoda logo is out obviously)04:28
lizardking_troy_s: In artwork-ML they tell me that because the trademak is of an other category (italian commercial drinking ) and mine is for arts and theming, they think that it will be right04:29
lizardking_troy_s: yes a custom personal logo it will be cool!04:29
troy_sHerm... I somehow doubt that lizardking_04:29
lizardking_Now I report the copyright mail04:29
troy_snot to sound depressing, but my wife is a lawyer04:29
lizardking_wait04:30
troy_sit isn't just a copyright when it is a logo04:30
lizardking_troy_s:  ok ok I will heard you04:30
troy_sit is also a registered trademark04:30
troy_setc04:30
lizardking_yes It is a registrant copyright04:30
troy_sand the trademark would _probably_ put you in jeopardy04:30
lizardking_jeopardy?04:30
troy_strouble ;)04:30
troy_sNamely, they would hold the right to control everything about that brand logo04:31
troy_sFrom name, to colours, etc.04:31
troy_sIIRC04:31
troy_sSo you would be wise to perhaps just avoid it all together and migrate to the more generic "orange soda" -- which would be completely open (as long as you avoid that oransoda logo styling)04:32
lizardking_troy_s: Mhh I do really not want to goes in trouble!!!04:32
lizardking_troy_s: this is the mail04:33
lizardking_For Iacopo Masi, I have done a quick search of oransoda in google-image04:33
lizardking_and I discovered that Oransoda was an italian trademark. I have some04:33
lizardking_basic knowledge about the use of a trademark and there is no possiblity04:33
lizardking_to identify the drink with the theme so you should be able to use that04:33
lizardking_name. So you should remove the post-it in the synopsis that is the04:33
lizardking_pattented logo.04:33
troy_swho wrote that though04:35
troy_sif they aren't a lawyer, it is nothing more than speculation really.04:35
lizardking_troy_s: From: Yann Papouin <yann.papouin@wanadoo.fr>04:35
troy_sthe bottom line is either get an authoritative lawyer discussion on ir or avoid it.04:36
troy_ss/ir/it04:36
lizardking_troy_s: However if you wife advice me, I will chaned the name early. I do not want to go arrested :D04:36
lizardking_troy_s: I should change all files of 'oransoda' or just the package name?04:38
troy_slizardking_: I'll ask for some free legal advice when she gets home04:43
troy_slizardking_: My gut tells me that if it is a registered trademark that you might want to avoid the complexity and simply change it...04:43
troy_sbut again, it is well out of my knowledge sphere.04:43
lizardking_troy_s: Thank you very much, friend. What Should I do now?04:44
troy_sNo idea.04:44
lizardking_change the wiki page name, the package name, the files ...etc?04:44
troy_slizardking_: My personal thinking would be to avoid registered trademarks.04:44
lizardking_troy_s: My personal too :D04:44
troy_slizardking_: but that is your choice... if you want to keep going with it, then it would require some official lawyer thinking.04:45
lizardking_troy_s: But it's a big work to rename all occurrencies. I must rename page wiki, package, files, launchpad product. Right?04:45
troy_sThe problem is that brand trademarks are very often guarded and protected by the companies that own them.04:45
lizardking_troy_s: Yes and I haven't that support04:46
troy_slizardking_: Yes it would be, unfortunately.  I don't see much of any other way.04:46
lizardking_troy_s: Ok So I will create a new page wiki and other rest04:46
troy_sFor example, you can't put the Pepsi logo on anything, in any capacity, that isn't officially endorsed by Pepsi.04:46
lizardking_right!04:46
lizardking_you are right04:46
troy_sThe problem lies in the fact that branding in the our current society often distills down to the simple use of a logo (Nike, etc.)04:46
lizardking_it is possibile to rename page wiki? :D04:46
troy_syes04:47
troy_sThink before you do it though -- you will need to try and figure out where all the cross links come from.04:47
troy_sPull down tab renames.04:47
lizardking_troy_s: So I should wait your wife or now starting to rename all links?04:51
troy_sEven if you get a lawyer's opinion, you will find another lawyer who could argue it.04:52
troy_sThe problem lies in the fact that there is a _chance_ for issues, and my gut instinct tells me to simply avoid the hassle and avoid it all together.04:52
troy_sBut again, that is _my_ opinion, and not exactly grounded in an extensive knowledge of global trademark law ;)04:52
lizardking_Mhh ok understand. I m sure to change name04:54
lizardking_Now It is time to work hard to change all name links,  files , wiki etc.. sobh :804:55
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troy_sMost importantly are the logo appearances.04:56
lizardking_troy_s: for example?04:56
lizardking_This is the central page for the development of the Oransoda theme --> the OrangeSoda04:57
lizardking_??'04:57
troy_sIf that is your title...04:58
troy_sI don't know how many occurances of the OranSoda(TM) logo you have04:58
lizardking_I have some occurances and the wiki page name05:02
lizardking_troy_s: damn, http://www.orangesoda.com/ anohter TM05:06
troy_sit is possible05:08
troy_sbut the reality is that the name "Orange Soda" is pretty generic05:08
troy_sI would say that your design versus theirs is quite inherently different05:08
lizardking_So I must pick a less generic name?05:09
troy_sUltimately, it is up to you.05:09
troy_sBut I think that whatever name you settle on05:09
troy_sIf you were to say, like Orange Soda05:09
troy_sI wouldn't worry about the trademark too much as your design is quite different from theirs05:10
troy_sit only really becomes an issue if you start using official logos05:10
troy_setc.05:10
troy_sBut I preface all of that with the reminder that we are 'guessing' on some level, as we are not lawyers ;)05:11
lizardking_yes right. We are not lawyers05:12
lizardking_troy_s: OranSun, how does it sounds?05:12
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lizardking_troy_s: Are you there?05:38
troy_sYes05:38
lizardking_troy_s: I just alert Daniel Holbach of renaming the package. Now  I wait his answer and then If YES I work hard to rename it05:39
lizardking_the main candidates is: OranSun05:39
lizardking_troy_s: Now I return to study05:39
lizardking_troy_s:  bye bye. See U soon if meantime they has not put me in jails :D05:41
troy_sLol05:42
troy_stake care lizardking_05:42
lizardking_troy_s: I will do it after Daniel'answer05:42
lizardking_bye05:42
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lizardkingtroy_s: I have some news06:10
lizardkingit seems good news06:12
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troy_s?06:14
troy_sdamn06:24
troy_schroot just hooped my system06:24
troy_sback in an hour -- whee.06:24
lizardkingtroys_s look at this http://www.wipo.int/cgi-mad/guest/ifetch5?ENG+MADRID-FULL.vdb+11+1200595-KEY+256+0+8814+BASICHTML-ENG+7+50+1+25+SEP-0/HITNUM,PN,MAR,,,IMAGE+HOL%2fcampari+06:26
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lizardkingHi07:50
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lizardkingtroy_s: hi08:05
lizardkingtroy_s: i'm leaving08:05
troy_sNightmarish reinstall scenario08:05
lizardkingtroy_s: after I was telling you08:05
troy_sWhat was the good news?08:06
lizardkingI dig the search in WIPO site08:06
lizardkingtroy_s: Do you know WIPO?08:06
troy_sNo.08:07
lizardkingtroy_s: I must go. I leave you with the news. Wipo is World Intellectual Proprerty oraganization, in the site there is a seargh engines for tradmarks08:07
lizardkingtroy_s: I search oransoda08:07
lizardkingand...08:08
troy_sAnd it wasn't there08:08
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troy_sBut that doesn't mean that a laywer hasn't legally registered the trademark for OranSoda with their respective government legislative process.08:08
lizardkingtroy_s: no no is there but08:08
lizardkingtroy_s: click here http://www.wipo.int/cgi-mad/guest/ifetch5?ENG+MADRID-FULL.vdb+11+1200595-KEY+256+0+8814+BASICHTML-ENG+7+50+1+25+SEP-0/HITNUM,PN,MAR,,,IMAGE+HOL%2fcampari+08:09
troy_sMy Italian stinks.08:10
lizardkingtroy_s: the numer 511 tell the the classification of the registrated trademark. And it is reported in frech things like food, drinks, marmelade, jams, parfums...08:10
troy_sAlthough I recognize Ice Cream in there!08:10
lizardkingtroy_s: Yeah yeah!08:10
troy_sOh yes... it is French sorry08:10
lizardkingtroy_s: Campari is italian08:10
lizardkingtroy_s: I leave now. i have basketball match :D Hoping to win..08:11
troy_sStill a scary thought to me.  But again, you are free to do what you wish regarding usage of the name.08:11
troy_sBah.  Play hockey.  ;)08:11
lizardkingtroy_s: cool08:11
lizardkingtroy_s: however I have ask Daniel and Matthew East.. I'm waiting for them08:12
lizardkingbye08:12
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