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| zul | mmm...beer.. | 01:12 |
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| BenC | Mithrandir: Between the first and last yes | 01:19 |
| Mithrandir | goodie | 01:19 |
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| poningru | guys writing the herd 3 release notes | 04:18 |
| poningru | any suggestion I can put under kernel? | 04:18 |
| poningru | so no one?? | 04:23 |
| crimsun | try the changelog. | 04:24 |
| poningru | looking at it | 04:24 |
| poningru | seems just like bug fixes | 04:24 |
| poningru | nothing big that can be 'featured' | 04:25 |
| crimsun | "just" is an understatement. | 04:25 |
| poningru | oh ofcourse | 04:25 |
| poningru | keep in mind marketing speak | 04:25 |
| poningru | ;) | 04:25 |
| BenC | poningru: paravirt + vmware VMI ops, but it may be premature since there's a small chance that it might not make it in release | 04:27 |
| poningru | meh I'll put it in there | 04:31 |
| poningru | wait its not already in there? | 04:31 |
| BenC | it's in there for Herd 3 | 04:32 |
| poningru | oh so it might get taken away? doesnt matter as long as its in there for herd 3 | 04:32 |
| BenC | but mark it in testing phase | 04:32 |
| poningru | kk | 04:32 |
| poningru | thanks :) | 04:32 |
| BenC | we're still investigating the performance inpact on bare metal systems | 04:32 |
| BenC | impact | 04:32 |
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| kylem | morning folks. | 01:21 |
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| BenC | morning kyle | 02:07 |
| kylem | s'up? | 02:09 |
| BenC | not much | 02:13 |
| BenC | mjg59: pinger | 02:26 |
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| zul | hey | 02:37 |
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| mjg59 | BenC: Hi | 03:09 |
| BenC | mjg59: Hey, rt2x00 drivers don't build with the dscape you sent me | 03:10 |
| BenC | everything else seems to work fine | 03:10 |
| BenC | I tried the stock rt2x00 and the one you sent with d80211 | 03:10 |
| BenC | it's like it's expecting a whole different API | 03:10 |
| mjg59 | Hm. I hit workqueue issues, but I thought they looked ok otherwise | 03:13 |
| mjg59 | But that patch is pretty ancient now... | 03:13 |
| kylem | mjg59, i thought we had rt2x00 building before? | 03:20 |
| mjg59 | I didn't think so for dscape | 03:20 |
| mjg59 | Everything else, yeah | 03:20 |
| BenC | everything else compiles fine, and I removed the old stuff, and disabled stock bcm43xx | 03:26 |
| BenC | mjg59: So what do people need to do to get v4 firmware? | 03:26 |
| BenC | obviously it isn't out in the wild as much because softmac can't use v4 | 03:26 |
| mjg59 | Run fwcutter on a v4 image | 03:27 |
| mjg59 | There's some listed in fwcutter's readme | 03:27 |
| mjg59 | We probably want to hack fwcutter to postfix the v4 name and add a default fwpostfix argument to the dscape bcm43xx driver | 03:27 |
| mjg59 | In order to support co-installation | 03:28 |
| cjwatson | is there any v4 firmware on the web anywhere, like the older linksys firmware? | 03:37 |
| mjg59 | Yes | 03:37 |
| mjg59 | See the fwcutter readme | 03:37 |
| BenC | mjg59: I'm not so sure I want to bother with multiple drivers for the same hardware | 03:51 |
| BenC | I either want to switch to the d80211 or stick with stock | 03:52 |
| BenC | at least for bcm43xx | 03:52 |
| BenC | Mithrandir: I fixed the kexec-tools build failure on ppc if you wouldn't mind allowing ubuntu2 through for universe | 03:54 |
| mjg59 | BenC: It would be good to get these things tested, but I'm really not in a position to make the call | 03:55 |
| BenC | mjg59: I've got testers for the new driver | 03:55 |
| BenC | there were like 4 people in oslo ready to kill me because of how crappy bcm43xx is :) | 03:55 |
| mjg59 | By testing I mean at a distro-user sort of level :) | 03:55 |
| mjg59 | Right | 03:56 |
| BenC | right, but I assume that if a user already has setup bcm43xx once, they will know how to do it again | 03:56 |
| mjg59 | Once we've got some idea of how good it is in wireless-dev, we probably want to look at pulling Michael Busch's tree | 03:56 |
| kylem | security is uploaded. | 03:56 |
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| BenC | mjg59: The way I have it setup now, I can enable/disable it on demand from .config's so it is at least in our tree | 03:57 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Yeah | 03:57 |
| mjg59 | Oh my. | 03:58 |
| mjg59 | USB bcm43xx is apparently pretty much RNDIS | 03:59 |
| mjg59 | So. Much. Crack. | 03:59 |
| Mithrandir | BenC: sure, I'll do | 03:59 |
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| BenC | Mithrandir: thanks | 04:06 |
| BenC | kylem: Stone cold rejected! | 04:16 |
| kylem | lol. | 04:16 |
| kylem | wrong alias. | 04:17 |
| BenC | at least it isn't just me that does that :) | 04:17 |
| kylem | it would be nice if we only had to upload to one place to hit all 3. | 04:18 |
| BenC | this sucks...I setup acpi scripts to disable my second core, and force my first to 1GHz when I'm on battery and I still only get an hour of battery | 04:20 |
| Lure | BenC: how old is battery (mine gets at that level after 8-9 months) | 04:21 |
| BenC | it's just a few months old...been that way since I bought it | 04:21 |
| BenC | I should install winxp and see if it's the same | 04:22 |
| kylem | pfft. old hat. | 04:22 |
| kylem | you want vista now. | 04:22 |
| kylem | ;-) | 04:22 |
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| BenC | hehe | 04:22 |
| Lure | kylem: vista ultimate signature edition to be precise ;-) | 04:22 |
| kylem | heh | 04:23 |
| Lure | BenC: -6 kernel includes new serio we were talking recently? | 04:24 |
| mjg59 | BenC: How are you disabling the second core? | 04:24 |
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| mjg59 | There should be pretty much no power benefit to doing so | 04:24 |
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| Nafallo | thanks etc :-) | 04:24 |
| zul | kylem: meh...windows 3.1 is better its shiney | 04:24 |
| BenC | mjg59: echo 0 > /sys/.../cpu1/enable | 04:24 |
| BenC | Lure: Should | 04:25 |
| zul | mmmm....shiney.. | 04:25 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Hm. I have a feeling that that may do little other than just prevent tasks being scheduled on it | 04:25 |
| Lure | BenC: ok, then it does not help for HP problems | 04:25 |
| BenC | Lure: Check changelog to make sure | 04:26 |
| BenC | mjg59: Would be nice if it physically disabled and powered down the CPU :/ | 04:26 |
| Lure | BenC: will now build custom kernel with patch from kernel bug 7689 | 04:26 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Don't think that's possible on any existing hardware | 04:26 |
| kylem | BenC, easy way to check... is there still interrupts occuring on cpu1? | 04:26 |
| BenC | guess I'll have to disable it in the bios when I travel to get any decent battery life | 04:27 |
| BenC | kylem: /proc/interrupts doesn't even show the second one after I disable it | 04:27 |
| kylem | huh. | 04:27 |
| BenC | and it shows migration of tasks/interrupts to the first cpu when I do | 04:27 |
| BenC | so the second cpu is atleast not doing anything | 04:28 |
| kylem | it's probably just ready for hot-unplug then. | 04:28 |
| BenC | but I guess it's still drawning power | 04:28 |
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| BenC | stupid xchat | 04:29 |
| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-kernel:BenC] : Ubuntu kernel development discussion ONLY | Kernel Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CategoryKernel | 2.6.20-6.11 - Things are getting solid now. Use it, but there are still a few missing modules. | ||
| mjg59 | BenC: As I said, as far as I know even disabling it in the bios won't have any significant effect on power saving | 04:30 |
| BenC | mjg59: Only getting an hour of battery totally sucks then | 04:30 |
| mjg59 | Well, yes | 04:30 |
| BenC | If this is hardware design, then I'm never buying an HP again :/ | 04:30 |
| mjg59 | What model is it? | 04:31 |
| BenC | I would rather it be a linux kernel bug | 04:31 |
| BenC | dv5000 | 04:31 |
| maks_ | x41 doesn't do much more battery life.. | 04:31 |
| BenC | coreduo | 04:31 |
| mjg59 | It's consumer, so it's always likely to be worse than business-class | 04:31 |
| mjg59 | But yes, Linux is poor at PM | 04:31 |
| BenC | is it just a shit battery? | 04:31 |
| mjg59 | What does /proc/acpi/battery/state say when on battery? | 04:32 |
| BenC | I willing to fork cash for a higher rated battery if it will help | 04:32 |
| BenC | present: yes | 04:32 |
| BenC | capacity state: ok | 04:32 |
| BenC | charging state: discharging | 04:32 |
| BenC | present rate: 0 mA | 04:32 |
| BenC | remaining capacity: 4356 mAh | 04:32 |
| BenC | present voltage: 14800 mV | 04:32 |
| BenC | the thing that gets me is that rate is never shown | 04:32 |
| BenC | but I tested the lifetime at idle by wall-clock to see how long it lasted | 04:32 |
| BenC | dead idle, no screen blank, 1 hour | 04:33 |
| mjg59 | And it lasts an hour? | 04:33 |
| BenC | wonder if I can fix the rate state with a BIOS update | 04:34 |
| mjg59 | That implies it's drawing 60 watts | 04:34 |
| BenC | I watched cpu state too, and it shows them both at 1GHz (1.6GHz is max) | 04:35 |
| BenC | I wish it would drop lower, to maybe like 800MHz or so | 04:35 |
| mjg59 | 1GHz is probably the lowest it goes | 04:36 |
| BenC | it is | 04:36 |
| mjg59 | You're into rapidly diminishing returns after that | 04:36 |
| BenC | 3 levels, 1, 1.3 and 1.6 | 04:36 |
| mjg59 | If the processor is idle, it makes no real difference what clock speed it's at | 04:36 |
| mjg59 | Most of the chip will be switched off anyway | 04:36 |
| BenC | right | 04:36 |
| BenC | if I do a make -j3, battery life turns into quick death :) | 04:37 |
| BenC | I'd be lucky to get 20 minutes out of it | 04:37 |
| mjg59 | So there's no point in dropping the frequency further unless you can drop the voltage further | 04:37 |
| mjg59 | And my suspicion is that dropping the voltage further is impractical for some reason, so they might as well nail it at 1GHz | 04:38 |
| BenC | guessing I just need a better battery | 04:45 |
| mjg59 | BenC: Given that power draw? No | 04:46 |
| mjg59 | (Assuming it's reporting accurately) | 04:46 |
| mjg59 | 60 watts is insane | 04:47 |
| BenC | is 6600mAh capacity average? | 04:48 |
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| BenC | stupid hp...I gotta install a windows program that checks my bios and downloads a newer version if I need it | 04:53 |
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| BenC | zul: nice job on the 2.6.19 xen | 04:58 |
| zul | BenC: thanks | 05:00 |
| zul | ill upload the xen-meta tonight so it will be easier to install | 05:01 |
| BenC | zul: Any chance of it getting into feisty with 2.6.20? | 05:03 |
| zul | i could try but dont count on it | 05:04 |
| zul | its not very trivial ;) | 05:04 |
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| kylem | BenC, any idea if we have a "sun galaxy x4100/x4200" anywhere in the company? | 05:23 |
| BenC | I think montreal has those boxes | 05:24 |
| kylem | k. | 05:24 |
| BenC | if not, then data center has them | 05:24 |
| kylem | BenC, btw, i'll be a little late starting tomorrow, i'm heading into mtl to pick up some stuff tomorrow. | 05:24 |
| BenC | I know we have some somewhere :) | 05:24 |
| BenC | cool | 05:24 |
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| JanC | hm, my "cheap" MSI-based (Centrino) Core Duo does > 2h on battery... | 05:25 |
| kylem | my macbook core2 lasts 6 hours... | 05:26 |
| kylem | ... running macos... :) | 05:26 |
| BenC | I got spoiled with 3.5hours on my powerbook | 05:26 |
| JanC | kylem: I guess that's with a better battery... :) | 05:26 |
| kylem | my x30 lasted for ~4 hours on its 4 cell... | 05:26 |
| maks_ | my x41 lasts one hour .. :P | 05:26 |
| kylem | maks_, ouch dude. | 05:27 |
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| kylem | heya phillip! | 05:27 |
| plougher | hi | 05:28 |
| JanC | BenC: disabling the second core might actually be counter-productive, if it doesn't power-down... :) | 05:28 |
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| zul | right lunch time...bbl | 05:42 |
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| zul | *grumble* | 07:00 |
| kylem | ? | 07:00 |
| zul | ExceedOnDemand is just so much fun | 07:01 |
| cjb | zul: Hi, got a sec? On edgy, booting domU Ubuntu guests works fine, but as soon as I change the kernel= line to point to a Fedora kernel instead, I get an "Error 22". Any ideas? | 07:04 |
| cjb | Something like "Upgrade to feisty" or "Downgrade to dapper" or "You have to build Xen from their dist" is all good, if that's the answer. | 07:04 |
| zul | try feisty but I dont know where the Error 22 is coming from, need more info | 07:05 |
| BenC | HL is unable to deliver to the address supplied to us for your manual order. Please either forward a correct physical address via reply to this email. Please supply this information within 48 hours or we will direct DHL to destroy the shipment. | 07:05 |
| BenC | I hate DHL | 07:05 |
| kylem | "destroy the shipment" wtf. | 07:06 |
| cjb | zul: Thanks. What kind of more info is good? The log says "failed to balloon" and not much else. | 07:06 |
| cjb | (But I can certainly get it online.) | 07:06 |
| zul | cjb: which kernel which arch | 07:06 |
| BenC | cjb: Sounds like you are trying to boot a non-domU kernel, which wont work | 07:06 |
| BenC | kylem: No doubt...what a waste | 07:06 |
| BenC | DHL sucks in my area...they can never deliver here, unlike UPS or Fedex | 07:07 |
| kylem | ouch. | 07:07 |
| zul | BenC: ask them how are they going to destroy the shipment :) | 07:07 |
| cjb | BenC: Hm, so, I had this VM running inside an FC5 machine, and the kernel is the same that it uses, which I presumed was a domU. | 07:07 |
| cjb | Fedora's /usr/bin/pygrub stuff confuses me. | 07:07 |
| BenC | last time I got a DHL shipment, the guy brought it in a cadillac because he didn't want t waste the gas with the delivery truck | 07:07 |
| cjb | BenC: DHL held up our first OLPC prototype laptop in Alaska so the FDA could clear it. ;-) | 07:08 |
| BenC | FDA!? | 07:08 |
| cjb | that's what we said. :) | 07:08 |
| kylem | uh. isn't alaska in the us? :) | 07:08 |
| cjb | yeah, it's a customs point for DHL. | 07:08 |
| kylem | weird. | 07:09 |
| zul | kylem: its a freak state like hawaii | 07:09 |
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| BenC | Alaska is a US state!?! | 07:12 |
| BenC | pshaw | 07:12 |
| kylem | it would really fit in better as part of the yukon. | 07:12 |
| zul | one of those freak ones...like peurto rico | 07:12 |
| BenC | I feel bad for puerto rico, they can't even vote | 07:12 |
| mjg59 | The Russians must be kicking themselves for selling it | 07:13 |
| BenC | I know, right. Countries only appreciate over time...lose money selling it at current rates | 07:14 |
| zul | like the french with the louisana purchase? | 07:14 |
| kylem | mjg59, i think they kicked themselves hardest during the cold war. | 07:14 |
| kylem | mjg59, would have needed smaller missiles if they still had it. 8) | 07:15 |
| zul | kylem: the yukon would be more milatarilistic then.. | 07:15 |
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| pina | hi did ubuntu for server need array conf, for proliant ML 370 ??, configuragion array to raid for scsi | 08:14 |
| kylem | blink. | 08:20 |
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| zul | hmmm...alcatel just layed off 400 people | 08:41 |
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| cjb | ah -- I see "ERROR: Unrecognized image format" in the xend-debug log. | 10:01 |
| cjb | the kernel I'm using is "vmlinuz-2.6.15-1.2054_FC5xenU". Any ideas? | 10:01 |
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| TheMuso | p/c | 10:37 |
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| kylem | BenC, have you been keeping lrm in git? | 10:53 |
| BenC | no | 10:53 |
| kylem | hmm. possibly we could do that and put it in /srv/.../private? | 10:53 |
| BenC | maybe the debian part | 10:53 |
| BenC | the .orig.tar.gz doesn't make sense there | 10:53 |
| BenC | debian/* I mean | 10:54 |
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| Nafallo | bzr <3 :-) | 10:54 |
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| Nafallo | :-P | 10:55 |
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| cjb | hmph: "at least one of the specified interfaces does not exist!" in the xen-hotplug.log. | 12:13 |
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