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| sistpoty | hi folks | 12:18 |
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| Hobbsee | hey sistpoty! | 12:19 |
| TheMuso | Hey sistpoty | 12:19 |
| sistpoty | hi Hobbsee and TheMuso | 12:19 |
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| sistpoty | does the freeze effect universe uploads in any way (i.e. can I fire off a package right now?) | 12:45 |
| Lathiat | you can upload but they require a manual shove in | 12:45 |
| Lathiat | but require no approval | 12:46 |
| Adri2000 | sistpoty: universe is not *frozen*, but all uploads have to be manually approved | 12:46 |
| Adri2000 | no "review" | 12:46 |
| sistpoty | Adri2000: ah, k, thanks | 12:46 |
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| coNP | hey Adri2000 | 01:01 |
| coNP | do you know how a new package can be created? | 01:02 |
| coNP | bug 82436 could be solved with this | 01:02 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82436 in wesnoth "wesnoth-all meta-package request (for gnome-app-install)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82436 | 01:02 |
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| phanatic | coNP: you just need to add the appropriate binary package entry to debian/control | 01:03 |
| coNP | okay I can make the package for me | 01:03 |
| coNP | that is no problem | 01:03 |
| coNP | the question is how to get that to ubuntu | 01:03 |
| phanatic | attach a debdiff to the bug | 01:03 |
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| phanatic | debdiff old_pkg.dsc new_pkg.dsc | 01:04 |
| coNP | phanatic: there is no package, that is the problem | 01:04 |
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| coNP | oh, I am stupid | 01:04 |
| coNP | you mean the source package :) | 01:04 |
| phanatic | you need to diff the source packages, of course :) | 01:04 |
| coNP | thanks :) | 01:04 |
| coNP | ty, phanatic | 01:04 |
| phanatic | yw | 01:04 |
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| sistpoty | coNP: you should actually not create a separate meta-package, but rather put it into recommends. thus it will get auto-installed if you install wesnoth | 01:05 |
| coNP | sistpoty: oh, I see | 01:06 |
| coNP | thanks | 01:06 |
| sistpoty | np | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | hey sistpoty | 01:06 |
| sistpoty | hi ajmitch | 01:06 |
| ajmitch | up late again? ;) | 01:06 |
| === ajmitch will stick that rc bugs list thing in cron | ||
| ajmitch | so it can be updated every day or so | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | I'm thinking I'll just go through the list & file as many syncs as I can | 01:07 |
| === sistpoty filed one sync yesterday :) | ||
| sistpoty | ajmitch: you should rather get out your whip ;) | 01:07 |
| ajmitch | sure | 01:07 |
| sistpoty | (and maybe announce that list on the ml) | 01:08 |
| ajmitch | but it's easy enough for me to test-build the lot of them, and get a list of things to sync as well :) | 01:08 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 01:08 |
| === TheMuso filed two yesterday. | ||
| TheMuso | Will probably go back to the list once I do this espeak update. | 01:08 |
| === sistpoty is hacking on my thesis | ||
| ajmitch | I check for sync bugs before I file them, don't worry | 01:09 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: with a script as well? *g* | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | I was actually going to, yes ;) | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | bughelper! | 01:09 |
| sistpoty | cheater :P | 01:09 |
| ajmitch | it's called economy of motion ;) | 01:10 |
| ajmitch | or laziness | 01:10 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 01:10 |
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| ScottK | sistpoty: Do you have time for doing any more reviews now? | 01:11 |
| ajmitch | I like being able to automate as much work as possible | 01:11 |
| TheMuso | Ya gotta love it when debian devs who add a package to debian that started in Ubuntu don't look at what you have changed in new releases. | 01:11 |
| ajmitch | especially as I'm reusing stuff I've done for previous releases | 01:12 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: I'd like to make one more commit, so give me 10 minutes and I'll do a review, k? | 01:12 |
| ScottK | Great. Thanks. It's http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4179 if you could ... | 01:12 |
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| sistpoty | ScottK: looks good so far, building it... | 01:30 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: only some really minor stuff | 01:30 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: in the changelog if you make a sublist, it's common practice to start the dashes/plus signs of the 2nd indentation below the first char of the first indentation | 01:31 |
| sistpoty | * item | 01:31 |
| sistpoty | + subitem | 01:31 |
| sistpoty | (hope I got that right, sinse my irc doesn't have a mono font *g*) | 01:32 |
| TheMuso | sistpoty: Didn't look correct from here. :) | 01:33 |
| TheMuso | * Item | 01:33 |
| TheMuso | - Sub item. | 01:33 |
| TheMuso | + subitem | 01:33 |
| ScottK | Yes. | 01:33 |
| sistpoty | yay... seems kvirc eats beginning whitespace *g* | 01:33 |
| ScottK | let me look... | 01:33 |
| sistpoty | test with lots of ws at the beginning | 01:33 |
| sistpoty | nice | 01:33 |
| ScottK | Agreed on the spacing. I'll fix that. | 01:35 |
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| sistpoty | ScottK: others than that it's all nice... so I'd even upload the package as is (since it's really very minor stuff)... wanna fix it or should I just do the upload? | 01:36 |
| ScottK | I'd love it if you would do the upload! | 01:36 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: consider it done ;) | 01:36 |
| ScottK | I'll fix the spacing next time around. | 01:36 |
| ScottK | COOL! | 01:37 |
| ScottK | Thanks a bunch. | 01:37 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: nope... next time you'll have to leave the spacing as is, since it's the *old* changelog entry then ;) | 01:37 |
| ScottK | Oh, yeh. | 01:37 |
| ScottK | For the new entries. That's what I meant ;-) | 01:37 |
| sistpoty | :) | 01:37 |
| sistpoty | oh, I just fix the spacing if you don't mind ;) | 01:38 |
| ScottK | I don't mind. | 01:38 |
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| sistpoty | np | 01:39 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: uploaded | 01:39 |
| ScottK | Great. | 01:39 |
| === sistpoty remembers being lessoned about spacing via mail by mdz himself in reply to an upload *g* | ||
| TheMuso | sistpoty: heh | 01:41 |
| TheMuso | It does make things look nicer and easier to reader. | 01:41 |
| TheMuso | s/reader/read/ | 01:41 |
| sistpoty | TheMuso: yes, indeed | 01:41 |
| Toadstool | heya everybody! | 01:48 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: oh, was it that bad? :) | 01:48 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: I guess yes... iirc I wasn't a motu yet at that time ;) | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | heh | 01:49 |
| sistpoty | hi Toadstool | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | now you get be play motu overload | 01:49 |
| ajmitch | s/load/lord/ | 01:49 |
| Toadstool | hi sistpoty | 01:49 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: bah... I still pale in comparison to you ;) | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: I guess you can be the one to do the various reports - you do them so well already ;) | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | hah | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | nah, it just means more work for me | 01:50 |
| === ajmitch needs 30 hours in a day | ||
| sistpoty | grml... even more reports. I guess once upon a time I'm only busy writing reports *g* | 01:50 |
| Toadstool | wow, you're good, i need a lot more | 01:50 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: some things will only need done every 2-3 weeks | 01:51 |
| === TheMuso intends to improve and take on more in time. | ||
| sistpoty | ajmitch: MC isn't even in place yet, so I guess I won't accept the position of a scribe before being officially onboard ; | 01:52 |
| sistpoty | +) | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | hah | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | I think everyone should be volunteering their services in some way, no matter if there's a council or not | 01:52 |
| ajmitch | why wait? :) | 01:52 |
| sistpoty | :P | 01:53 |
| === ajmitch will learn how to be a manager, and delegate :) | ||
| === TheMuso would be happy to train up and be a MOTU manager if he got paid for it. :) | ||
| ajmitch | haha | 01:54 |
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| ajmitch | there's only 1 MOTU regular that gets paid for it fulltime | 01:54 |
| === sistpoty would like to have his vhdl parser finished... | ||
| ajmitch | and he's mostly doing GNOME stuff, not MOTU | 01:54 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: I know. | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | ogra used to be involved in motu | 01:54 |
| ajmitch | but now edubuntu takes all his time, & then some more | 01:55 |
| TheMuso | haha yeah | 01:55 |
| ajmitch | he's doing a good job with it though | 01:55 |
| Nafallo | s/involved/started\ out/ :-) | 01:55 |
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| ajmitch | Nafallo: well yeah | 01:55 |
| Nafallo | hmm. that didn't turned out as english in the end, did it? :-) | 01:56 |
| ajmitch | no, but we understood | 01:56 |
| Nafallo | YOU did. I didn't :-P | 01:56 |
| sistpoty | I was confused by the escaping *g* | 01:56 |
| Nafallo | escaping is the shit! :-) | 01:57 |
| ajmitch | Nafallo: I'm able to understand my friends' 'txt msging' | 01:57 |
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| ajmitch | so IRC is easy | 01:57 |
| Nafallo | hehe | 01:57 |
| Nafallo | I meet a friend studying to be a teacher in English and Swedish when I started out on IRC ;-) | 01:58 |
| Nafallo | that, if anything, have shaped me quite well :-). | 01:58 |
| === ajmitch is just pedantic ;) | ||
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| === imbrandon is too | ||
| imbrandon | err\ | 02:34 |
| === imbrandon thought that said something else | ||
| imbrandon | hum | 02:35 |
| ajmitch | hey imbrandon | 02:36 |
| TheMuso | Heya imbrandon. | 02:36 |
| imbrandon | heya ajmitch | 02:36 |
| imbrandon | and TheMuso | 02:36 |
| === TheMuso tests another package from ajmitch's list in pbuilder before requesting a sync. | ||
| ajmitch | checked for outstanding sync bugs, and the actual debian bug? :) | 02:37 |
| TheMuso | yes I'm doing that. | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | some of the debian bugs may not really affect us | 02:37 |
| ajmitch | like failures on s390 | 02:37 |
| imbrandon | or c64 | 02:38 |
| === imbrandon stops | ||
| ajmitch | since I don't think any of us have an s390 at home | 02:38 |
| TheMuso | true | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | good to see someone filing syncs though :) | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | I was going to automate it all ;) | 02:38 |
| imbrandon | i would laugh my ass off if someone ported debian to the c64/128 | 02:38 |
| TheMuso | hahaha | 02:38 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: that would be stupid | 02:38 |
| imbrandon | very\ | 02:39 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: How could you aotmate that? | 02:40 |
| TheMuso | Wouldn't that be somewhat difficult? | 02:40 |
| ajmitch | why would it be difficult? | 02:40 |
| asantoni | w00t, the mixxx package got accepted! :) :) :) | 02:40 |
| asantoni | Thanks to whoever approved it... :) (Stefan Potyra I think) :) | 02:40 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Determining what actually needed syncing/merging etc. | 02:40 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: well basically everything on the rc list needs synced | 02:41 |
| ajmitch | as long as it didn't have an -xubuntuy version | 02:41 |
| sistpoty | asantoni: your welcome ;) | 02:42 |
| asantoni | :D (sorry, I couldn't find your IRC nick) | 02:42 |
| === Nafallo imports the key and sees that it infact IS sistpoty :-) | ||
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| sistpoty | imbrandon: there is lunix for the c64 actually ;) | 02:44 |
| sistpoty | though there is giana sisters as well... and I prefer the latter *g* | 02:44 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Ah right. | 02:44 |
| ajmitch | there'll be few RC bugs fixed at this stage that don't affect us as well | 02:47 |
| ajmitch | some of which may be merely policy | 02:47 |
| imbrandon | sistpoty, hahaha no way | 02:47 |
| sistpoty | imbrandon: just google for lunix | 02:47 |
| sistpoty | or http://lng.sourceforge.net/ | 02:48 |
| imbrandon | zomg | 02:48 |
| imbrandon | hahah | 02:48 |
| sistpoty | loool... "0.37 bogomips" (on the screenshots page) | 02:49 |
| ajmitch | that's scary | 02:49 |
| imbrandon | very very | 02:49 |
| imbrandon | i might have to find an old 64 just to make a terminal | 02:50 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:50 |
| === sistpoty got one in his living room (but not connected currently) | ||
| imbrandon | i have 2 one working and one thats gonna be a donner for a pico-itx board | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | i've have to get a 3rd for a Lunix system | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | lol | 02:51 |
| sistpoty | hehe | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | with a rs232 connection to the net | 02:51 |
| TheMuso | haha | 02:51 |
| sistpoty | yay! c64 on the intarweb | 02:51 |
| imbrandon | heh | 02:52 |
| imbrandon | hum i dont see the screenshots | 02:55 |
| imbrandon | neverm,ind | 02:55 |
| imbrandon | found em | 02:55 |
| ajmitch | hm, I was sure I already request a hinfo sync, mustn't have :) | 02:59 |
| ajmitch | either that or it didn;t build on my amd64 | 02:59 |
| === ajmitch needs to get coding & add a comments section to the bug list | ||
| TheMuso | ajmitch: haha | 03:00 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:02 |
| ajmitch | hello | 03:02 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: COmments would be good, especially for those packages that have bugs that don't affect us, like you previously stated. | 03:03 |
| TheMuso | So people wouldn't have to look into them. | 03:03 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | it'll be a generic app for various lists | 03:04 |
| ajmitch | merges, syncs, unmet deps, etc | 03:05 |
| bddebian | TheMuso: ajmitch is gonna fix 'em all anyway :-) | 03:05 |
| TheMuso | If there's one thing I like about the package pages, with release versions etc, is the list of bugs, even if they are closed. | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: that's your job | 03:05 |
| TheMuso | on lp that is | 03:05 |
| bddebian | Gah, you know I can't fix anything :-) | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | TheMuso: sure, I wasn't quite going for that with my quick hack of a script :) | 03:05 |
| ajmitch | this was mainly an experiment to see if/how it could be done | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | it seemed to work | 03:06 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Of course. | 03:06 |
| TheMuso | I'm just saying I find that page handy for checking bugs, more than the +bugs page itself. | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | sure | 03:06 |
| TheMuso | I like to see closed bugs as well as open ones. | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | you want me to change the rc bugs page? | 03:06 |
| TheMuso | No no. Tis fine. | 03:06 |
| ajmitch | ok, good | 03:07 |
| TheMuso | Its not hard for me to go to the page I want. | 03:07 |
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| crimsun | nice work, ajmitch (RE: RC) | 03:29 |
| ajmitch | crimsun: hm, thanks | 03:30 |
| ajmitch | I'll try & get something similar to what debian has for unmet deps | 03:30 |
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| ajmitch | trace down the dependency chain | 03:30 |
| === Nafallo 2&1> bed | ||
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| bddebian | slomo: You still around? | 03:36 |
| crimsun | idle for 2h 20m | 03:36 |
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| ajmitch | plus it's about 3:30am there | 03:37 |
| bddebian | Yeah, so? :) | 03:38 |
| ajmitch | so not everyone works until 7am like you do | 03:38 |
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| bddebian | heh | 03:44 |
| bddebian | So what are we supposed to do with upstreams with debian dirs? | 03:44 |
| ajmitch | take them outside & speak to them convincingly | 03:44 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:44 |
| ajmitch | with soft words & a big stick | 03:45 |
| bddebian | Gah, the damn debian version of orig.tar.gz has it too | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | lol | 03:47 |
| === ajmitch needs a faster build box | ||
| === bddebian needs Hobbsee's pointy stick | ||
| sistpoty | anyone working on remerging sim already?= | 03:49 |
| ajmitch | nope | 03:49 |
| ajmitch | I'm just building & testing syncs before I file bugs | 03:49 |
| bddebian | sistpoty!! You're an animal :-) | 03:49 |
| ajmitch | an animal? | 03:49 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: not really... just wanted to upload one package on which I worked today ;) | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | leaste not a lvl30 blood elf | 03:50 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 03:50 |
| === imbrandon puts down the WoW crackpipe | ||
| bddebian | heh | 03:50 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: He was uploading revu's today :-) | 03:51 |
| imbrandon | getting that working in wine was the worst thing that happened | 03:51 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: Well if you get bored, ,you are welcome to review libticonv for me :-) | 03:51 |
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| sistpoty | bddebian: I'll do that tomorrow, as I'm a little sleepy already... ok? | 03:52 |
| lastnode | has anyone seen Fujitsu | 03:52 |
| lastnode | ? | 03:52 |
| bddebian | sistpoty: No worries, thanks | 03:52 |
| bddebian | lastnode: He was on earlier iirc | 03:52 |
| lastnode | bddebian, hhtanks | 03:52 |
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| === ajmitch seems to be flooding -bugs today | ||
| TheMuso | Nothing wrong with that. | 03:59 |
| TheMuso | lastnode: He's at school. | 03:59 |
| TheMuso | He was on a few hours ago. | 04:00 |
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| lastnode | thanks TheMuso, just ned to talk to him about some packaging | 04:00 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: I just took a look at libticonf (since I'm waiting for the other build to finish)... | 04:02 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: you should put the gpl disclaimer (as found in the source-code files) into debian/copyright | 04:02 |
| bddebian | ?? | 04:03 |
| bddebian | No digs on Debian, but with the past experiences I have had with them, I am surprised at the state of some of the packaging I see. | 04:03 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: hm? | 04:04 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: just copy the three gpl paragraphs from one of the files of src/*c to debian/copyright... | 04:04 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: also I couldn't find keybuk listed to hold copyright... does he? | 04:04 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: (since you put him in there) | 04:05 |
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| bddebian | sistpoty: he's in aclocal.m4 | 04:08 |
| bddebian | I don't know if that should be there or not | 04:08 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: usually you don't list people appearing from generated files | 04:08 |
| sistpoty | (otherwise he'd be in every project using autotools *g*) | 04:09 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: and you can drop the empty conflicts-field from control | 04:10 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: other than that it's really nice... | 04:10 |
| TheMuso | Do MOTUs still submit new packages to revu for others to comment on? | 04:11 |
| sistpoty | TheMuso: yes | 04:11 |
| sistpoty | TheMuso: but only new as in source new | 04:11 |
| TheMuso | sistpoty: THought so, thanks. | 04:11 |
| ajmitch | some MOTUs don't :) | 04:12 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: If you are confident in getting everything right, including copyright, I guess thats ok. :) | 04:12 |
| TheMuso | FOr you at lesat. :0 | 04:12 |
| TheMuso | least | 04:12 |
| ajmitch | heh | 04:14 |
| === bddebian is gonna upload a new upstream gtk-gnutella as a matter of fact :-) | ||
| bddebian | sistpoty: Thanks man | 04:15 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: np | 04:16 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: imo you can just make the changes and upload to ubuntu directly (since +1 from me and +1 from you makes +2 ;) | 04:16 |
| bddebian | Scary :-) | 04:18 |
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| sistpoty | bddebian: just blame me if anyone says something against it... I'll bring it before MC then ;) | 04:19 |
| bddebian | heh | 04:19 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: to be judged by your peers? :) | 04:21 |
| sistpoty | *g* | 04:21 |
| sistpoty | well, seriously, I think we should drop the requirement to have motu's upload new packages to revu... | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | yeah | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | though it can be useful to get feedback | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | I don't think it should be a requirement | 04:23 |
| bddebian | Aye | 04:23 |
| bddebian | I especially need review of my license/copyright crap :-( | 04:23 |
| sistpoty | rather make it s.th. like "motu's are encouraged to upload new packages to revu to get some review" | 04:23 |
| ajmitch | since it's ignored often enough by naughty people like myself | 04:24 |
| ajmitch | or sometimes things are reviewed within a team, like the mono team | 04:24 |
| ajmitch | since we're all core devs in there | 04:24 |
| TheMuso | IMO the biggest difficulty for a lot of people, even those who are awesome packagers is the copyright file. | 04:25 |
| TheMuso | I'm guessing | 04:25 |
| sistpoty | well... copyright is sometimes really hard... e.g. for some packages I've reviewed it was more a blind guess that some data might be non-free, and only closer inspection revealed that this was the case | 04:26 |
| sistpoty | (esp. game packages) | 04:26 |
| ajmitch | certainly | 04:27 |
| === sistpoty hates it if me cannot simply grep for copyright *g* | ||
| TheMuso | sistpoty: yeah. | 04:28 |
| sistpoty | hehe, I just added new packages policy for motu's to the motu-meeting agenda :) | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | yay | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | next meeting in 2 weeks | 04:33 |
| ajmitch | can you add the date we decided there as well? | 04:34 |
| ajmitch | oh it is | 04:34 |
| === ajmitch is blind | ||
| ajmitch | 11pm NZDT, I should still be awake | 04:34 |
| === sistpoty will need to get up early | ||
| ajmitch | heh | 04:35 |
| ajmitch | 'early' = before noon? | 04:35 |
| sistpoty | exactly *g* | 04:35 |
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| ajmitch | no wonder, if you're still awake at this hour | 04:35 |
| sistpoty | well... I should be in bed right now... but sim is still building (and just won't stop) :( | 04:36 |
| TheMuso | Nice. 9 PM. | 04:36 |
| TheMuso | I'll be able to do that. | 04:36 |
| ajmitch | hence why we're rotating the times | 04:36 |
| TheMuso | Right. | 04:36 |
| === TheMuso feels that now he is a MOTU, he should step up his participation. | ||
| TheMuso | Is it imperative that you list a copyright holder's email address in the copyright file? | 04:38 |
| sistpoty | TheMuso: it's nice to have the info present | 04:38 |
| TheMuso | sistpoty: Right. | 04:39 |
| === ajmitch wonders what else can go on the agenda for the next meeting | ||
| sistpoty | hm... I've just been thinking about a revu-sprint, but actually we should have one *before* the next meeting, since there is only one week left until FF after the meeting | 04:45 |
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| bddebian | sistpoty: Who needs a revu sprint with you on the case? ;-) | 04:46 |
| sistpoty | bddebian: I haven't been reviewing that much lately :( | 04:46 |
| === TheMuso hopes to be ready for reviewing by then. | ||
| sistpoty | hm... maybe we should have a short reviewing-school session? | 04:46 |
| ajmitch | great idea | 04:47 |
| TheMuso | Yep. | 04:47 |
| ajmitch | bddebian & you can lead it | 04:47 |
| TheMuso | Its not so much I don't know what to look for, its feeling confident that what I say is or isn't correct, is the right decision. | 04:47 |
| bddebian | TheMuso: pfft, I'm usually wrong :-) | 04:48 |
| TheMuso | bddebian: I don't want to be. | 04:48 |
| bddebian | Me either | 04:48 |
| TheMuso | I am a bit of a perfectionist. | 04:48 |
| bddebian | Oh no, not another ajmitch ;) | 04:49 |
| TheMuso | And, there is the fact that we are working on software that potentially will be used by lots of people. | 04:49 |
| ajmitch | or noone ;) | 04:49 |
| bddebian | exactly :-) | 04:50 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: I don't like to look at it that way. | 04:50 |
| === ajmitch has packages that are used by many, many people | ||
| TheMuso | I work on packages that certainly get used by a vocal user group. | 04:51 |
| === bddebian has no packages | ||
| ajmitch | bddebian: really? | 04:51 |
| ajmitch | I find that hard to believe | 04:51 |
| bddebian | Nope | 04:51 |
| === sistpoty maintains only 2 | ||
| TheMuso | Nevertheless, IMO the fact is that this stuff needs to work and install as well as we can make it do so. | 04:54 |
| ajmitch | of course | 04:54 |
| ScottK | About the agenda for the next meeting... I have gotten different answers from different MOTUs about what to do about upstream supplied debin dirs. IMO, if they don't suck, there's nothing wrong with using them, but I'd like to know what the policy is and have it consistently applied.... | 04:56 |
| === ScottK has no packages waiting to be reviewed, so I have to stop the conversation some other way... | ||
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| bddebian | ScottK: :-) | 04:58 |
| bddebian | tritium!! | 04:59 |
| tritium | hi bddebian :) | 04:59 |
| TheMuso | ScottK: Good point. | 05:00 |
| ajmitch | ScottK: write it on the wiki then | 05:00 |
| ScottK | Which wiki page? | 05:00 |
| ajmitch | MOTU/Meetings | 05:01 |
| ScottK | OK. Got it. | 05:01 |
| ScottK | Added. Found a slightly more polite way to say use it if it doesn't suck. | 05:07 |
| ajmitch | heh | 05:09 |
| bddebian | heh | 05:10 |
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| sistpoty | sheesh... just got the .changes mail that Adri2000 already merged sim. damn mail delays :( | 05:22 |
| TheMuso | sistpoty: I've had a couple that have taken a while to come through. | 05:23 |
| sistpoty | anyways I'm off to bed now | 05:25 |
| sistpoty | gn8 everyone | 05:25 |
| TheMuso | Night sistpoty | 05:25 |
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| ScottK | Is it a bug that a Universe package (a postfix policy daemon) is classified as "very urgent"? | 05:33 |
| ScottK | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whitelister/0.8-3 | 05:34 |
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| TheMuso | ScottK: No. | 05:39 |
| TheMuso | My guess is that package was from Debian and it was a very important fix. | 05:40 |
| TheMuso | And when Ubuntu was autosyncing, thats what it got. | 05:40 |
| ScottK | OK. | 05:41 |
| ScottK | So that changes based on the urgency of the last update? | 05:42 |
| TheMuso | Yes | 05:42 |
| TheMuso | All it does is reflect what was in the changelog. | 05:43 |
| ScottK | Thanks. Checked the changelog and that's exactly what it was. | 05:46 |
| === ScottK learns more about this stuff all the time. | ||
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| bddebian | Anyone know wtf this is? I just now got it and I haven't changed anything: | 06:03 |
| bddebian | debian/rules:76: *** commands commence before first target. Stop. | 06:03 |
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| ajmitch | without seeing debian/rules, I can't say for certain | 06:04 |
| bddebian | What's weird is that it worked like 2 minutes ago | 06:07 |
| ajmitch | ah, then you must have broken it | 06:08 |
| ScottK | Computers usually work like that... | 06:09 |
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| === ScottK will be curious to hear what it was. | ||
| bddebian | ScottK: Dunno, I just copied back my working copy :-) | 06:15 |
| ScottK | Stuff happens I guess. | 06:16 |
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| ScottK | I'd appreciate a pointer to where something documents what ${misc:Depends} does. I'm looked in the Debian New Maintainers guide, the Debian Policy guide, and their packaging manual with no luck. | 06:34 |
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| TheMuso | Thats weird. I would have thought it would be documented somewhere. | 06:35 |
| ScottK | I'm sure it is. I just can't seem to find it. | 06:36 |
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| ScottK | TheMuso: Found it in the debhelper man page. | 06:47 |
| TheMuso | ah ok | 06:47 |
| bddebian | Damn I hate having to add man pages :-( | 06:48 |
| === ScottK has found it easier than trying to patch existing man pages to be correct for Debian unique things. | ||
| TheMuso | Man pages are alright once you get around the syntax. | 06:52 |
| TheMuso | I have to look at another for reference however whenever I do edit one. | 06:52 |
| bddebian | Aye but for a GUI package I find it stupid :-) | 06:52 |
| === ScottK has seen more than one man page that just said "Hey - the documentation is located in X, go read it there". | ||
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| bddebian | Gnight folks | 07:15 |
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| === ScottK waved goodby to bddebian... | ||
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| ScottK | Good night everyone. | 07:56 |
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| TheMuso | Lovely! | 09:35 |
| TheMuso | SPeakup with hardware synths in 2.6.20 is screwed! | 09:36 |
| === TheMuso is surviving with software speech on this box which is painfully slow | ||
| StevenK | Serves you right for running feisty. :-P | 09:36 |
| TheMuso | har har har | 09:37 |
| TheMuso | I've got to get this resolved at some point however. | 09:37 |
| TheMuso | It has to do with the kernel and speakup fighting over a serial port I think. | 09:38 |
| TheMuso | I'm going to report a bug once I have got san ISA synth functioning. | 09:38 |
| TheMuso | WHich will give me some sanity. | 09:38 |
| TheMuso | And it looks like spambayes needs work as well. | 09:39 |
| TheMuso | great! | 09:39 |
| Lutin | hay guys. How comes that libc6-dev has conflicting files with libpthread-dev ? | 09:42 |
| Lutin | (edgy) | 09:42 |
| StevenK | Because they provide the same files | 09:42 |
| zakame | hmm because libc6-dev has -pthread? | 09:43 |
| zakame | oh, there you go, from StevenK | 09:43 |
| Lutin | shouldn't happen without at least a replaces: relation | 09:43 |
| Lutin | here, dpkg returns an error | 09:43 |
| Lutin | just not possible to pbuild something using libpthread then | 09:44 |
| StevenK | Don't use libpthread-dev, just use the files provided by libc6-dev | 09:45 |
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| Lutin | StevenK: doesnt solve the problem, programs still can't link against libpthread as it's not getting installed | 09:46 |
| Lutin | crimsun: around ? | 09:47 |
| StevenK | % dpkg -S /lib/libpthread.so.0 | 09:47 |
| StevenK | libc6: /lib/libpthread.so.0 | 09:47 |
| Lutin | StevenK: libpthread provides symblols that the libc6 version doesn't | 09:47 |
| Amaranth | a program shouldn't be using them? :) | 09:49 |
| Lutin | haha :) | 09:50 |
| StevenK | I'd agree with that, libc6 has been providing pthreads for *ages* | 09:50 |
| Lutin | StevenK: anyways, that's not the answer | 09:50 |
| Lutin | StevenK: I'm not going to say 'go fix your program, naughty developer' just because you have a packaging bug | 09:51 |
| Lutin | s/you/we | 09:51 |
| Amaranth | 'naughty developer' must not have any debian or ubuntu users, i think they've both had this setup for ages | 09:52 |
| StevenK | I've just installed libpthread-dev on my Edgy machine | 09:52 |
| Amaranth | so did i, on feisty | 09:52 |
| Lutin | StevenK: libc6-dev installed as well, and getting no error ? | 09:53 |
| Amaranth | but it pulls in the _evil_ libpthread20 that caused a crapload of bugs recently | 09:53 |
| StevenK | Lutin: Correct | 09:53 |
| StevenK | Actually, it did fail | 09:53 |
| Amaranth | well, one bug, lots of people hitting it | 09:53 |
| Lutin | StevenK: libpthread-bug / libc6-dev versions ? | 09:53 |
| Amaranth | Lutin: notice that nothing in ubuntu depends on libpthread20 | 09:54 |
| zakame | its pthreads emulation | 09:54 |
| Amaranth | afaik it's only there for old proprietary junk | 09:54 |
| TheMuso | ooooooooooooooooh sanity! | 09:54 |
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| Amaranth | Description: The GNU Portable Threads (pthread emulation) | 09:55 |
| Amaranth | evil | 09:55 |
| TheMuso | Now! Time to report this kernel bug. | 09:55 |
| zakame | TheMuso: quite | 09:55 |
| zakame | Amaranth too | 09:55 |
| Lutin | Amaranth: I don't care if anything in ubuntu ever have or will lnk against it. I'm just pointing out that it conflicts with libc6 without any relationship between the packages | 09:55 |
| dholbach | good morning | 09:55 |
| Lutin | and that is a bug, whether pthread is evil or not | 09:56 |
| TheMuso | zakame: Sorry, just upgraded to feisty, and speakup for serial devices is majorly broken. | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | Lutin: i wouldn't say they have any relationship | 09:56 |
| StevenK | Whoa, pth is in main | 09:56 |
| Amaranth | StevenK: i was surprised too | 09:56 |
| zakame | TheMuso: no prob, actually I'll be upgrading to feisty in a moment too :) | 09:56 |
| Lutin | Amaranth: they provide the same file ... | 09:57 |
| Lutin | apt-file search /usr/include/pthread.h | 09:57 |
| Lutin | libc6-dev: usr/include/pthread.h | 09:57 |
| Lutin | libpthread-dev: usr/include/pthread.h | 09:57 |
| Amaranth | Lutin: would you say one replaces the other? | 09:57 |
| Amaranth | Lutin: or are they just two implementations of the same thing that have some reason to exist independently? | 09:58 |
| zakame | would it therefore be possible to let libpthread-dev put its stuff in /usr/include/libpthread/ | 09:58 |
| zakame | ? | 09:58 |
| Lutin | Amaranth: I'd say nothing, I'm no libc hacker. I'd just like to have the opinion of some crackheads around :] | 09:58 |
| Amaranth | Lutin: I'd say there is no packaging bug | 09:58 |
| Lutin | dholbach: around ? | 09:58 |
| dholbach | hey Lutin | 09:59 |
| dholbach | yes | 09:59 |
| Amaranth | Lutin: unless you think totem-xine and totem-gstreamer conflicting with each other is a packaging bug too :) | 09:59 |
| zakame | I'd say that libpthread-dev is still there because for some archs there may be no libc6-dev providing the same file | 10:01 |
| Lutin | dholbach: seems that libc6-dev and libpthread-dev both usr/include/pthread.h without anything done to handle this possible conflict | 10:01 |
| Lutin | dholbach: bug or feature ? | 10:02 |
| zakame | I'm looking through packages.d.o and its the same situation | 10:02 |
| StevenK | What about bugs filed against libpthread20 in Debian? | 10:02 |
| dholbach | Lutin: I don't know - I'd personally ask the last uploaders | 10:02 |
| dholbach | I'm quite happy I never touched libc6, and I look forward to quiet days without having to do that. :) | 10:03 |
| zakame | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=379413 | 10:03 |
| Ubugtu | Debian bug 379413 in libpthread-dev "fails to install" [Normal,Closed] | 10:03 |
| ajmitch | dholbach! | 10:04 |
| Amaranth | Lutin: I thought you said they have a Conflicts line | 10:04 |
| dholbach | ajmitch!!! | 10:04 |
| zakame | blame panthera for it :P | 10:04 |
| Lutin | Amaranth: no, no. theres _nothing_ | 10:04 |
| StevenK | I note libpthread-dev installs fine on Feisty. | 10:05 |
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| zakame | StevenK: 2.0.7-3? | 10:06 |
| TheMuso | Gotta love using an ISA synth for speech. :) | 10:06 |
| TheMuso | crashes easily however | 10:06 |
| Lutin | dholbach: edgy has version 2.0.7-2ubuntu2, fixed in debian 2.0.7-3, then need to merge the change in ubuntu and go through the sru thing ? | 10:07 |
| dholbach | Lutin: I don't know | 10:08 |
| zakame | does it really merit to make it to sru? | 10:08 |
| Lutin | zakame: dunno, just asking | 10:08 |
| StevenK | zakame: -4 | 10:08 |
| zakame | StevenK: yes, same in etch | 10:09 |
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| \sh | moins | 10:17 |
| === dholbach adds the new MOTUs to UWN. | ||
| TheMuso | dholbach: I'd rather be one who works in the background making everybody's distro great. :) | 10:21 |
| dholbach | TheMuso: you deserve to be on there :) | 10:21 |
| zakame | hmm cowbuilder --create doesn't seem to work on feisty | 10:22 |
| TheMuso | dholbach: I know. | 10:22 |
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| TheMuso | aw thanks | 10:23 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: Oh congrats, I had no idea you had ascended to such lofty heights. | 10:23 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: Its called modisty. | 10:24 |
| zakame | moedsty | 10:24 |
| zakame | er, modesty | 10:24 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: :-) | 10:25 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach: I thought the new MOTUs were already on the UWN draft | 10:45 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: oh? | 10:47 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: Adri2000 and TheMuso? | 10:47 |
| ajmitch | 2006-01-30 Ubuntu Technical Board | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | * | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | Timo Aaltonen, Adrien Cunin and Luke Yelavich were approved as new UbuntuDevelopers | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | * | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | The MotuProcessesSpec proposal was discussed, and several revisions were agreed, which Daniel Holbach agreed to document. The revised proposal will then be reviewed by the full Technical Board via email for approval. | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | bah | 10:48 |
| ajmitch | mdz added TB stuff | 10:49 |
| dholbach | alright | 10:49 |
| dholbach | then I added it to the wrong UWN :) | 10:49 |
| dholbach | that was 29? | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | yep | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | sorry | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | that was 30 | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue30 | 10:49 |
| dholbach | oh... must have missed it then | 10:49 |
| ajmitch | and you missed 1 motu, very sad :) | 10:49 |
| dholbach | and I even wrote Luke's name wrong | 10:50 |
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| TheMuso | dholbach: hahaha | 10:50 |
| === dholbach bangs head on the table | ||
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| TheMuso | for feisty | 10:50 |
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| StevenK | fearless or feared? | 11:24 |
| imbrandon | hehe | 11:24 |
| imbrandon | moins StevenK | 11:24 |
| === StevenK waves | ||
| TheMuso | Hey imbrandon. | 11:25 |
| imbrandon | heya TheMuso | 11:25 |
| === imbrandon makes coffee | ||
| === TheMuso hopes he didn't break spambayes too much. :) | ||
| StevenK | TheMuso: First upload? | 11:25 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: No. | 11:25 |
| StevenK | Oh. What was that? | 11:25 |
| TheMuso | But the source had to be patched to make python 2.5 happy. | 11:25 |
| === StevenK can't even remember what his first was. :-( | ||
| imbrandon | hrm, i dont rember what mine was either | 11:26 |
| imbrandon | lol | 11:26 |
| TheMuso | A merge actually. | 11:26 |
| TheMuso | gramps | 11:26 |
| StevenK | I could probably find out given I don't delete anything. | 11:26 |
| StevenK | steven@liquified:~/ubuntu/done% find . -name '*.upload' | wc -l | 11:27 |
| StevenK | 80 | 11:27 |
| TheMuso | StevenK: I have made a folder that all my upload related mail goes into. | 11:27 |
| dholbach | hi imbrandon, not necessary, thanks :) | 11:27 |
| imbrandon | dholbach, hehe | 11:27 |
| imbrandon | kbfx was my first iirc | 11:27 |
| imbrandon | not 100% sure though | 11:28 |
| StevenK | inn2, according to my mail box | 11:29 |
| StevenK | Not sure if I trust that | 11:29 |
| StevenK | Ah, that's right, the format of the mail changed from dak to LP | 11:30 |
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| TheMuso | StevenK: So you were around when they had soyoz teething problems eh? Fun fun fun. | 11:30 |
| === StevenK nods | ||
| Fujitsu | TheMuso, you were around too. It's still having them now! | 11:31 |
| TheMuso | Fujitsu: If you are referring to some mail taking several hours to arrive, yes I'd agree. | 11:31 |
| Fujitsu | (not as bad, but still annoying at times) | 11:31 |
| StevenK | From: Ubuntu Installer <katie@jackass.warthogs.hbd.com> | 11:31 |
| StevenK | Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2005 11:50:03 +0000 (GMT) | 11:31 |
| Fujitsu | Or the lovely eating of uploads rather frequently. | 11:31 |
| TheMuso | What happens when that occurs? | 11:32 |
| Fujitsu | The upload vanishes without a trace. | 11:32 |
| TheMuso | aah | 11:32 |
| Fujitsu | Or sometimes with a trace, that is a hung thread, then the threads collect as more get eaten, and the box explodes. | 11:32 |
| TheMuso | I'd almost thought one of mine did that last night | 11:32 |
| TheMuso | Until the message saying that the package was accepted arrived. | 11:33 |
| StevenK | TheMuso: If it seems the upload has vanished, ask in -devel | 11:33 |
| TheMuso | Then I received the upload acceptance mail when I checked this morning. | 11:33 |
| TheMuso | After waiting 6 or so hours, yeah I will. | 11:33 |
| StevenK | Last time I waited for about an hour | 11:33 |
| === StevenK waits for his bacula upload to be pushed through. | ||
| StevenK | With the most irritating bug fixed. | 11:34 |
| StevenK | bacula-traymonitor Recommends kde | desktop-environment, and aptitude installs Recommends | 11:34 |
| TheMuso | ooo lovely. | 11:35 |
| StevenK | So you mark bacula-traymonitor to be installed, and aptitude says "Sure. I just need to download 800Mb of stuff, okay?" | 11:35 |
| TheMuso | ouch | 11:36 |
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| imbrandon | nice | 12:26 |
| TheMuso | ? | 12:27 |
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| TheMuso | You referring to StevenK's comments earlier about a package? | 12:28 |
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| Adri2000 | does anyone has an idea about http://librarian.launchpad.net/6034262/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.sim_0.9.4.2-1ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ? same failure as the previous version uploaded by gpocentek and it builds fine in a pbuilder | 12:51 |
| TheMuso | bringing it up now. | 12:52 |
| TheMuso | hmm dunno | 12:53 |
| TheMuso | SOmething to do with debian/control. | 12:53 |
| TheMuso | Have you changed anything in there? | 12:53 |
| Adri2000 | nothing | 12:53 |
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| TheMuso | And you said it built fine in a pbuilder? | 12:54 |
| TheMuso | Weird. | 12:54 |
| Adri2000 | on the buildds, 0.9.4-1ubuntu1 successfully built, 0.9.4.1~2-1ubuntu1 FTBFS (same strange error) and now 0.9.4.2-1ubuntu1 FTBFS | 12:55 |
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| === Fujitsu looks. | ||
| Fujitsu | All looks good to me... Must be the buildds mangling either a Package or Architecture line out of it. Talk to one of the buildd admins. | 12:56 |
| Adri2000 | yep, I will ask Mithrandir once he has finished to release herd 3 | 12:57 |
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| StevenK | Then of course it's going to fail again | 12:59 |
| StevenK | Ooops | 12:59 |
| === TheMuso is increasingly thinking about writing a userspace console screen reader as his first practicle project for learning C. :) | ||
| === StevenK missed the "-- more --" at the bottom of the irssi window. | ||
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| Q-FUNK | can anybody think of something similar to Xsession.d that would exist in a user's home directory? | 01:28 |
| StevenK | .Xsession | 01:29 |
| StevenK | Except that doesn't have to exist | 01:29 |
| StevenK | (It might be .xsession, it's been a long while since I've needed it) | 01:29 |
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| imbrandon | ugh, i hate "this is the year of ....." statements , ipod, iphone, linux, linux in enterprise, linux in schools, linux running the comode, vista .......... blah | 01:43 |
| imbrandon | see StevenK i told you aptitude tried to be too smart for its own good | 01:47 |
| StevenK | Hah | 01:47 |
| imbrandon | i see nothing wrong with recomending a DE , hehe | 01:48 |
| imbrandon | after all its a gui prog | 01:48 |
| StevenK | Neither do I, just recommend a few of them | 01:49 |
| imbrandon | hehe d-e should have covered most | 01:49 |
| StevenK | It doesn't seem to, actually | 01:49 |
| StevenK | Considering the package doesn't exist | 01:49 |
| imbrandon | that sucks | 01:49 |
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| imbrandon | imho thats the bug | 01:49 |
| imbrandon | make a virt one like m-t-a | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | etc | 01:50 |
| StevenK | Indeed, my bacula change is a workaround | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 01:50 |
| imbrandon | i know giving you hell in reality | 01:51 |
| imbrandon | +, just | 01:51 |
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| ScottK | I was looking at doing a synch request for adblock off of ajmitch's list, but that version also includes changes to support iceweasel naming/versioning, so I think it is going to need Ubuntu specific changes to work. | 03:14 |
| ScottK | Do I sync first (since there are no current Ubuntu specific changes) and then fix it or do I do a 'merge' with initial Ubuntu unique stuff? | 03:15 |
| ScottK | Finally, is there anywhere that the iceweasel/firefox naming/versioning differences are written down? | 03:16 |
| === ScottK is wondering if Ubuntu is going to take Firefox direct from upstream if we aren't going to have to do the same thing with extensions too... | ||
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| zul | afaik firefox is from upstream | 03:19 |
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| bddebian | Heya gang | 03:41 |
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| zakame | evening MOTUs (and everyone :) | 04:03 |
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| geser | dholbach: is there a reason why the poll for crimsun for MC starts nearly 11 hours later than the other four? | 04:15 |
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| dholbach | geser: is it really 11h? | 04:16 |
| dholbach | geser: ask Mark - he set it up | 04:16 |
| geser | opens 2007-02-02 11:50:51 CET | 04:17 |
| geser | the other have "opens 2007-02-02 01:00:00 CET" | 04:17 |
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| dholbach | thanks geser for noticing | 04:28 |
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| crimsun | Lutin: pong | 05:57 |
| crimsun | nixternal: pong | 05:57 |
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| nixternal | crimsun: THANKS. that's all I wanted to say | 06:22 |
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| Toadstool | g'morning everybody | 06:32 |
| bddebian | Heya Toadstool | 06:33 |
| Toadstool | hi bddebian! | 06:33 |
| crimsun | nixternal: eh?! | 06:33 |
| nixternal | the kernel patch for my audio | 06:33 |
| crimsun | a pox on your audio! | 06:33 |
| nixternal | I never knew that the mute button would eluminate if I muted the system until the 2.6.20-6 kernel | 06:33 |
| === crimsun returns to Ardour2 | ||
| nixternal | so it add more functionality beside better sound :) | 06:34 |
| === nixternal reboots this server | ||
| nixternal | 11:34:12 up 18 days, 53 min, 1 user, load average: 0.35, 0.38, 0.16 | 06:34 |
| nixternal | ahh, it can wait :) | 06:34 |
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| bddebian | any of you have gtk-gnutella installed by any chance? | 06:54 |
| bddebian | And wtf am I supposed to do about an oversized icon lintian error? | 06:55 |
| zul | i dont know reduce it? | 06:56 |
| bddebian | But's it's used elsewhere in the source so I don't know the ramifications. I suppose I could reduce it and stick it in debian/ | 06:57 |
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| bddebian | Anyone know of a CL program I can use to change the .xpm file from 42x42 to 38x38? | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | imagemagic? | 07:09 |
| imbrandon | s/c/k/g | 07:10 |
| coNP | actually s/c/ck/g :) | 07:10 |
| imbrandon | shhh ;) | 07:10 |
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| crimsun | bddebian: why not (wrt #-bugs)? | 07:37 |
| bddebian | I don't need the embarrasment :-) | 07:37 |
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| crimsun | pfft | 07:38 |
| Toadstool | haha | 07:39 |
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| ajmitch | morning | 08:08 |
| bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 08:09 |
| ajmitch | hi | 08:09 |
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| Nafallo | !info torsmo | 08:30 |
| ubotu | Package torsmo does not exist in any distro I know | 08:30 |
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| Lure | how can I check if something is -proposed repo - bug 73617 | 08:34 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73617 in digikam "SRU proposal" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73617 | 08:34 |
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| Lure | wrong, bug 75017 is correct | 08:35 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 75017 in kubuntu-default-settings "SRU: remove /.hidden file " [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75017 | 08:35 |
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| bddebian | slomo: If you get around and you are bored would you mind taking a look at my gtk-gnutella on REVU for me? I grabbed the latest upstream stable release. | 08:51 |
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| slomo | bddebian: hi :) i trust you to do it right... but if you really want i can take a look ;) | 08:53 |
| Loevborg | Is there some place where I can read up on Java in Ubuntu? | 08:53 |
| slomo | bddebian: just upload if you're fairly sure that it is right | 08:53 |
| bddebian | slomo: Well I can't figure out why my reduced icon isn't installing :-( | 08:53 |
| Loevborg | Especially why "freemind" is not in the archive; maybe I can help. | 08:53 |
| Adri2000 | hi slomo, I was looking at the blam merge... :S what are we doing about this one? | 08:57 |
| slomo | Adri2000: probably a sync... why? | 08:57 |
| slomo | bddebian: hm, did it work before? | 08:57 |
| Adri2000 | I see at least the PlanetUbuntu.patch that we should keep no? | 08:58 |
| bddebian | slomo: No I added the file because lintian was complaining about the size of the icon for the Debian menu | 08:58 |
| bddebian | Adri2000: Check for a new upstream ;-) | 08:59 |
| Adri2000 | 1.8.4 available | 08:59 |
| slomo | bddebian: well, if it was broken before already :) anyway, i'll probably take a look later | 08:59 |
| bddebian | slomo: I think my install -m is just in the wrong place, I'm just drawing a blank :-( | 09:00 |
| bddebian | Bah, my buddy geser will yell at me about it ;-) | 09:00 |
| slomo | bddebian: if we always check for new upstream etc we will increase the delta to debian even more and will come to the point where we can't handle it anymore | 09:00 |
| slomo | only do it for stuff you really care about or when it fixes bugs ;) | 09:00 |
| bddebian | slomo: Well the packaging was piss poor anyway and had a couple of RC bugs in Debian | 09:01 |
| slomo | bddebian: i know... the debian maintainer doesn't believe in autogenerated dependencies for one ;) | 09:02 |
| Adri2000 | slomo: what do you think if I take the last version in debian (1.8.3), package 1.8.4 and add the PlanetUbuntu.patch? maybe some other changes needed, I will check, but the current merge is really not easy to do and we have a lot of, too much, diff with debian | 09:02 |
| slomo | Adri2000: sounds good... the debian package should be almost the same as the ubuntu one anways... just look at the changelog to see which changes we have, i've mentioned everything there | 09:03 |
| Adri2000 | so rather than trying to merge, I'd use the debian package, add the last upstream release on it, and add the few changes really needed | 09:03 |
| Adri2000 | http://merges.ubuntu.com/b/blam/REPORT see the number of conflicting files :/ | 09:04 |
| Adri2000 | slomo: if I do that, I won't keep the ubuntu changelog entries, is it ok anyway? | 09:05 |
| slomo | Adri2000: i don't care and there should be only mine in there iirc | 09:06 |
| Adri2000 | +blam (1.8.2-2ubuntu6) breezy; urgency=low | 09:07 |
| Adri2000 | 6 versions during breezy | 09:07 |
| Adri2000 | anyway, I'll do my best and try to not break everything :) | 09:08 |
| crimsun | if you do, you get to fix it. | 09:08 |
| crimsun | :-) | 09:08 |
| Adri2000 | I know... :p | 09:09 |
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| TheMuso | Hey MOTUs. | 09:11 |
| ajmitch | hi TheMuso | 09:11 |
| Adri2000 | hey TheMuso | 09:11 |
| bddebian | Hi TheMuso | 09:12 |
| geser | bddebian: why should I yell at you? | 09:14 |
| bddebian | geser: Because I have something wrong and you are good at catching them :-) | 09:15 |
| geser | bddebian: I didn't yell at you yet :) | 09:18 |
| bddebian | geser: I'm teasing man, I appreciate you looking at my stuff! :) | 09:24 |
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| ajmitch | holy holbach! | 09:35 |
| bddebian | heh | 09:35 |
| dholbach | hehe :) | 09:38 |
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| bddebian | geser: Done yet? :) | 09:50 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: fixed universe yet? | 09:51 |
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| ajmitch | dholbach: so how'd they choose that name for you? :) | 09:52 |
| dholbach | no idea | 09:52 |
| dholbach | honestly ;-) | 09:52 |
| bddebian | ajmitch: Of course :) | 09:53 |
| ajmitch | bddebian: great, i can slack off now | 09:54 |
| ajmitch | dholbach: 2 weeks for votes? | 09:54 |
| dholbach | ajmitch: it's what it says on LP, right? | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | yes | 09:55 |
| dholbach | or did I get it wrong? | 09:55 |
| dholbach | ok | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | next motu meeting is on the 14th | 09:55 |
| ajmitch | would be nice to have final results just before then, if the polls can be adjusted | 09:55 |
| dholbach | I don't think that's necessary | 09:57 |
| dholbach | do we really need the MOTU Council in place for the meeting? | 09:57 |
| dholbach | the council will need abit of time for bootstrapping anyway | 09:57 |
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| ajmitch | it'd not needed for the meeting, but would be nice to have | 09:58 |
| ajmitch | we can give directions & things to do long before then anyway | 09:58 |
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| dholbach | we'll see how it works out | 09:59 |
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| ajmitch | still plenty on the list & there's also unmet deps, FTBFS, etc :) | 09:59 |
| dholbach | yeah | 09:59 |
| ajmitch | rc bug list is updated each day now | 10:00 |
| ajmitch | I'll get some others done this weekend | 10:00 |
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| ajmitch | yes, each package on the list will definitely need checked | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | I need to add a comments field so I can mark in comments where needed | 10:01 |
| ScottK | Since FF is coming from upstream and not through Debian, would it make sense for FF extensions to be taken direct too? | 10:01 |
| ajmitch | depends which is less effort | 10:01 |
| ScottK | Otherwise there is a never ending stream of iceweasel/firefox changes to deal with. | 10:01 |
| === ScottK will try and look more deeply into that one tonight then. | ||
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| ajmitch | I don't know how you can grab extensions from upstream without packaging them yourself | 10:03 |
| ScottK | Yes, but that may well be less trouble than trying to deal with iceweasel/firefox indefinitely. | 10:04 |
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| TheMuso | Do wee have an FTBFS list yet? | 10:05 |
| ajmitch | not yet | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | need a full archive rebuild | 10:06 |
| ajmitch | I don't quite have the bandwidth for that :) | 10:06 |
| TheMuso | haha | 10:07 |
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| TheMuso | Fair enough | 10:07 |
| ajmitch | lucas offered to help out with that | 10:08 |
| lidb | Hello, I am a newbie of REVU | 10:08 |
| lidb | who can help re-sync the REVU uploaders keyring? thanks | 10:08 |
| TheMuso | ajmitch: Right. | 10:09 |
| ajmitch | lidb: when did you add yourself to the launchpad team? | 10:10 |
| lidb | ajmitch: just now, my email is lidaobing@gmail.com | 10:11 |
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| ajmitch | ok, keyring is syncing | 10:12 |
| lidb | ajmitch: thanks | 10:12 |
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| lidb | a upload is broken, llk-linux_2.3~beta1-1ubuntu1.dsc is created and i can't reupload, what should I do? | 10:29 |
| Adri2000 | lidb: ask ajmitch to remove it from incoming | 10:30 |
| lidb | ajmitch: are you here? can you help remove llk-linux* in incoming, thanks | 10:30 |
| ajmitch | yes, just a min | 10:31 |
| ajmitch | done | 10:32 |
| lidb | ajmitch: thanks | 10:33 |
| DktrKranz | i was looking at bug 73512 | 10:33 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 73512 in edgy-backports "Please backport beagle from feisty to edgy" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73512 | 10:34 |
| DktrKranz | it was approved for backports | 10:34 |
| DktrKranz | bud build process failed | 10:34 |
| DktrKranz | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/beagle/0.2.14-0ubuntu3~edgy1 | 10:34 |
| DktrKranz | weird, isn't it? | 10:34 |
| ajmitch | not particularly | 10:35 |
| DktrKranz | it sound strange to me: why prevu didn't noticed it? | 10:36 |
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| Adri2000 | nobody merging mpd? | 10:55 |
| crimsun | you are? | 10:56 |
| Adri2000 | not yet, and maybe lionel wants to do it | 10:56 |
| lionel | Yes I can do it :) | 10:57 |
| Adri2000 | great :) | 10:57 |
| lionel | Adri2000: thansk for the hl, I would not have seen that otherwise ;) | 10:58 |
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| TheMuso | I would have if I knew it was up for merge. :) | 10:59 |
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| gnomefreak | was X or kernel upgraded in edgy the past few days? | 11:53 |
| DktrKranz | some friends of mine was reading this: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-security-announce/2007-February/000476.html | 11:53 |
| DktrKranz | they noticed packages were not uploaded | 11:54 |
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| DktrKranz | is it a normal behaviour for security updates? | 11:54 |
| keescook | DktrKranz: which package did they not find? | 11:54 |
| DktrKranz | they was after http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gtk+2.0/libgtk2.0-0_2.10.6-0ubuntu3.1_i386.deb | 11:55 |
| keescook | DktrKranz: ah... right you are. | 11:55 |
| keescook | eek | 11:55 |
| keescook | one sec | 11:55 |
| DktrKranz | packages are on launchpad | 12:05 |
| DktrKranz | thanks ;) | 12:05 |
| keescook | DktrKranz: yeah, they'll be out to the archive in a bit. the publisher was frozen due to the herd3 release. geh. | 12:06 |
| DktrKranz | ah, ok | 12:06 |
| DktrKranz | i'll report it to italian community | 12:06 |
| DktrKranz | thanks again ;) | 12:07 |
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