=== ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty [n=sistpoty@ubuntu/member/sistpoty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] hi folks [12:19] hey sistpoty! [12:19] Hey sistpoty [12:19] hi Hobbsee and TheMuso === did448 [n=didier@LPuteaux-151-41-32-62.w217-128.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:45] does the freeze effect universe uploads in any way (i.e. can I fire off a package right now?) [12:45] you can upload but they require a manual shove in [12:46] but require no approval [12:46] sistpoty: universe is not *frozen*, but all uploads have to be manually approved [12:46] no "review" [12:46] Adri2000: ah, k, thanks === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] hey Adri2000 [01:02] do you know how a new package can be created? [01:02] bug 82436 could be solved with this [01:02] Malone bug 82436 in wesnoth "wesnoth-all meta-package request (for gnome-app-install)" [Unknown,Unknown] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82436 === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:03] coNP: you just need to add the appropriate binary package entry to debian/control [01:03] okay I can make the package for me [01:03] that is no problem [01:03] the question is how to get that to ubuntu [01:03] attach a debdiff to the bug === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] debdiff old_pkg.dsc new_pkg.dsc [01:04] phanatic: there is no package, that is the problem === fowlduck [n=nate@h69-128-106-154.69-128.unk.tds.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:04] oh, I am stupid [01:04] you mean the source package :) [01:04] you need to diff the source packages, of course :) [01:04] thanks :) [01:04] ty, phanatic [01:04] yw === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] coNP: you should actually not create a separate meta-package, but rather put it into recommends. thus it will get auto-installed if you install wesnoth [01:06] sistpoty: oh, I see [01:06] thanks [01:06] np [01:06] hey sistpoty [01:06] hi ajmitch [01:06] up late again? ;) === ajmitch will stick that rc bugs list thing in cron [01:07] so it can be updated every day or so [01:07] I'm thinking I'll just go through the list & file as many syncs as I can === sistpoty filed one sync yesterday :) [01:07] ajmitch: you should rather get out your whip ;) [01:07] sure [01:08] (and maybe announce that list on the ml) [01:08] but it's easy enough for me to test-build the lot of them, and get a list of things to sync as well :) [01:08] hehe === TheMuso filed two yesterday. [01:08] Will probably go back to the list once I do this espeak update. === sistpoty is hacking on my thesis [01:09] I check for sync bugs before I file them, don't worry [01:09] ajmitch: with a script as well? *g* [01:09] I was actually going to, yes ;) [01:09] bughelper! [01:09] cheater :P [01:10] it's called economy of motion ;) [01:10] or laziness [01:10] hehe === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-17-106.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] sistpoty: Do you have time for doing any more reviews now? [01:11] I like being able to automate as much work as possible [01:11] Ya gotta love it when debian devs who add a package to debian that started in Ubuntu don't look at what you have changed in new releases. [01:12] especially as I'm reusing stuff I've done for previous releases [01:12] ScottK: I'd like to make one more commit, so give me 10 minutes and I'll do a review, k? [01:12] Great. Thanks. It's http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4179 if you could ... === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fowlduck [n=nate@69.128.106.154] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] ScottK: looks good so far, building it... [01:30] ScottK: only some really minor stuff [01:31] ScottK: in the changelog if you make a sublist, it's common practice to start the dashes/plus signs of the 2nd indentation below the first char of the first indentation [01:31] * item [01:31] + subitem [01:32] (hope I got that right, sinse my irc doesn't have a mono font *g*) [01:33] sistpoty: Didn't look correct from here. :) [01:33] * Item [01:33] - Sub item. [01:33] + subitem [01:33] Yes. [01:33] yay... seems kvirc eats beginning whitespace *g* [01:33] let me look... [01:33] test with lots of ws at the beginning [01:33] nice [01:35] Agreed on the spacing. I'll fix that. === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:36] ScottK: others than that it's all nice... so I'd even upload the package as is (since it's really very minor stuff)... wanna fix it or should I just do the upload? [01:36] I'd love it if you would do the upload! [01:36] ScottK: consider it done ;) [01:36] I'll fix the spacing next time around. [01:37] COOL! [01:37] Thanks a bunch. [01:37] ScottK: nope... next time you'll have to leave the spacing as is, since it's the *old* changelog entry then ;) [01:37] Oh, yeh. [01:37] For the new entries. That's what I meant ;-) [01:37] :) [01:38] oh, I just fix the spacing if you don't mind ;) [01:38] I don't mind. === ScottK needs to get back to fixing dinner. Be back in a bit. Thanks again. === ash211 [n=andrew@user-1121mcd.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:39] np [01:39] ScottK: uploaded [01:39] Great. === sistpoty remembers being lessoned about spacing via mail by mdz himself in reply to an upload *g* [01:41] sistpoty: heh [01:41] It does make things look nicer and easier to reader. [01:41] s/reader/read/ [01:41] TheMuso: yes, indeed [01:48] heya everybody! [01:48] sistpoty: oh, was it that bad? :) [01:49] ajmitch: I guess yes... iirc I wasn't a motu yet at that time ;) [01:49] heh [01:49] hi Toadstool [01:49] now you get be play motu overload [01:49] s/load/lord/ [01:49] hi sistpoty [01:50] ajmitch: bah... I still pale in comparison to you ;) [01:50] sistpoty: I guess you can be the one to do the various reports - you do them so well already ;) [01:50] hah [01:50] nah, it just means more work for me === ajmitch needs 30 hours in a day [01:50] grml... even more reports. I guess once upon a time I'm only busy writing reports *g* [01:50] wow, you're good, i need a lot more [01:51] sistpoty: some things will only need done every 2-3 weeks === TheMuso intends to improve and take on more in time. [01:52] ajmitch: MC isn't even in place yet, so I guess I won't accept the position of a scribe before being officially onboard ; [01:52] +) [01:52] hah [01:52] I think everyone should be volunteering their services in some way, no matter if there's a council or not [01:52] why wait? :) [01:53] :P === ajmitch will learn how to be a manager, and delegate :) === TheMuso would be happy to train up and be a MOTU manager if he got paid for it. :) [01:54] haha === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:54] there's only 1 MOTU regular that gets paid for it fulltime === sistpoty would like to have his vhdl parser finished... [01:54] and he's mostly doing GNOME stuff, not MOTU [01:54] ajmitch: I know. [01:54] ogra used to be involved in motu [01:55] but now edubuntu takes all his time, & then some more [01:55] haha yeah [01:55] he's doing a good job with it though [01:55] s/involved/started\ out/ :-) === _jaldhar [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:55] Nafallo: well yeah [01:56] hmm. that didn't turned out as english in the end, did it? :-) [01:56] no, but we understood [01:56] YOU did. I didn't :-P [01:56] I was confused by the escaping *g* [01:57] escaping is the shit! :-) [01:57] Nafallo: I'm able to understand my friends' 'txt msging' === mr_pouit [n=mr_pouit@LAubervilliers-151-12-73-187.w193-252.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [01:57] so IRC is easy [01:57] hehe [01:58] I meet a friend studying to be a teacher in English and Swedish when I started out on IRC ;-) [01:58] that, if anything, have shaped me quite well :-). === ajmitch is just pedantic ;) === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-47-67.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imbrandon is too [02:34] err\ === imbrandon thought that said something else [02:35] hum [02:36] hey imbrandon [02:36] Heya imbrandon. [02:36] heya ajmitch [02:36] and TheMuso === TheMuso tests another package from ajmitch's list in pbuilder before requesting a sync. [02:37] checked for outstanding sync bugs, and the actual debian bug? :) [02:37] yes I'm doing that. [02:37] some of the debian bugs may not really affect us [02:37] like failures on s390 [02:38] or c64 === imbrandon stops [02:38] since I don't think any of us have an s390 at home [02:38] true [02:38] good to see someone filing syncs though :) [02:38] I was going to automate it all ;) [02:38] i would laugh my ass off if someone ported debian to the c64/128 [02:38] hahaha [02:38] imbrandon: that would be stupid [02:39] very\ [02:40] ajmitch: How could you aotmate that? [02:40] Wouldn't that be somewhat difficult? [02:40] why would it be difficult? [02:40] w00t, the mixxx package got accepted! :) :) :) [02:40] Thanks to whoever approved it... :) (Stefan Potyra I think) :) [02:40] ajmitch: Determining what actually needed syncing/merging etc. [02:41] TheMuso: well basically everything on the rc list needs synced [02:41] as long as it didn't have an -xubuntuy version [02:42] asantoni: your welcome ;) [02:42] :D (sorry, I couldn't find your IRC nick) === Nafallo imports the key and sees that it infact IS sistpoty :-) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:44] imbrandon: there is lunix for the c64 actually ;) [02:44] though there is giana sisters as well... and I prefer the latter *g* [02:44] ajmitch: Ah right. [02:47] there'll be few RC bugs fixed at this stage that don't affect us as well [02:47] some of which may be merely policy [02:47] sistpoty, hahaha no way [02:47] imbrandon: just google for lunix [02:48] or http://lng.sourceforge.net/ [02:48] zomg [02:48] hahah [02:49] loool... "0.37 bogomips" (on the screenshots page) [02:49] that's scary [02:49] very very [02:50] i might have to find an old 64 just to make a terminal [02:50] lol === sistpoty got one in his living room (but not connected currently) [02:51] i have 2 one working and one thats gonna be a donner for a pico-itx board [02:51] i've have to get a 3rd for a Lunix system [02:51] lol [02:51] hehe [02:51] with a rs232 connection to the net [02:51] haha [02:51] yay! c64 on the intarweb [02:52] heh [02:55] hum i dont see the screenshots [02:55] neverm,ind [02:55] found em [02:59] hm, I was sure I already request a hinfo sync, mustn't have :) [02:59] either that or it didn;t build on my amd64 === ajmitch needs to get coding & add a comments section to the bug list [03:00] ajmitch: haha === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:02] Heya gang [03:02] hello [03:03] ajmitch: COmments would be good, especially for those packages that have bugs that don't affect us, like you previously stated. [03:03] So people wouldn't have to look into them. [03:04] yeah [03:04] it'll be a generic app for various lists [03:05] merges, syncs, unmet deps, etc [03:05] TheMuso: ajmitch is gonna fix 'em all anyway :-) [03:05] If there's one thing I like about the package pages, with release versions etc, is the list of bugs, even if they are closed. [03:05] bddebian: that's your job [03:05] on lp that is [03:05] Gah, you know I can't fix anything :-) [03:05] TheMuso: sure, I wasn't quite going for that with my quick hack of a script :) [03:06] this was mainly an experiment to see if/how it could be done [03:06] it seemed to work [03:06] ajmitch: Of course. [03:06] I'm just saying I find that page handy for checking bugs, more than the +bugs page itself. [03:06] sure [03:06] I like to see closed bugs as well as open ones. [03:06] you want me to change the rc bugs page? [03:06] No no. Tis fine. [03:07] ok, good [03:07] Its not hard for me to go to the page I want. === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] nice work, ajmitch (RE: RC) [03:30] crimsun: hm, thanks [03:30] I'll try & get something similar to what debian has for unmet deps === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:30] trace down the dependency chain === Nafallo 2&1> bed === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:36] slomo: You still around? [03:36] idle for 2h 20m === fowlduck [n=nate@24-183-45-79.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:37] plus it's about 3:30am there [03:38] Yeah, so? :) [03:38] so not everyone works until 7am like you do === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:44] heh [03:44] So what are we supposed to do with upstreams with debian dirs? [03:44] take them outside & speak to them convincingly [03:44] heh [03:45] with soft words & a big stick [03:46] Gah, the damn debian version of orig.tar.gz has it too [03:47] lol === ajmitch needs a faster build box === bddebian needs Hobbsee's pointy stick [03:49] anyone working on remerging sim already?= [03:49] nope [03:49] I'm just building & testing syncs before I file bugs [03:49] sistpoty!! You're an animal :-) [03:49] an animal? [03:50] bddebian: not really... just wanted to upload one package on which I worked today ;) [03:50] leaste not a lvl30 blood elf [03:50] ;) === imbrandon puts down the WoW crackpipe [03:50] heh [03:51] ajmitch: He was uploading revu's today :-) [03:51] getting that working in wine was the worst thing that happened [03:51] sistpoty: Well if you get bored, ,you are welcome to review libticonv for me :-) === lastnode [n=lastnode@upstream/dev/lastnode] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [03:52] bddebian: I'll do that tomorrow, as I'm a little sleepy already... ok? [03:52] has anyone seen Fujitsu [03:52] ? [03:52] sistpoty: No worries, thanks [03:52] lastnode: He was on earlier iirc [03:52] bddebian, hhtanks === lastnode [n=lastnode@upstream/dev/lastnode] has left #Ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] === lastnode [n=lastnode@upstream/dev/lastnode] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch seems to be flooding -bugs today [03:59] Nothing wrong with that. [03:59] lastnode: He's at school. [04:00] He was on a few hours ago. === lupine_84 [n=lupine@nick.lupine.me.uk] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:00] thanks TheMuso, just ned to talk to him about some packaging [04:02] bddebian: I just took a look at libticonf (since I'm waiting for the other build to finish)... [04:02] bddebian: you should put the gpl disclaimer (as found in the source-code files) into debian/copyright [04:03] ?? [04:03] No digs on Debian, but with the past experiences I have had with them, I am surprised at the state of some of the packaging I see. [04:04] bddebian: hm? [04:04] bddebian: just copy the three gpl paragraphs from one of the files of src/*c to debian/copyright... [04:04] bddebian: also I couldn't find keybuk listed to hold copyright... does he? [04:05] bddebian: (since you put him in there) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:08] sistpoty: he's in aclocal.m4 [04:08] I don't know if that should be there or not [04:08] bddebian: usually you don't list people appearing from generated files [04:09] (otherwise he'd be in every project using autotools *g*) [04:10] bddebian: and you can drop the empty conflicts-field from control [04:10] bddebian: other than that it's really nice... [04:11] Do MOTUs still submit new packages to revu for others to comment on? [04:11] TheMuso: yes [04:11] TheMuso: but only new as in source new [04:11] sistpoty: THought so, thanks. [04:12] some MOTUs don't :) [04:12] ajmitch: If you are confident in getting everything right, including copyright, I guess thats ok. :) [04:12] FOr you at lesat. :0 [04:12] least [04:14] heh === bddebian is gonna upload a new upstream gtk-gnutella as a matter of fact :-) [04:15] sistpoty: Thanks man [04:16] bddebian: np [04:16] bddebian: imo you can just make the changes and upload to ubuntu directly (since +1 from me and +1 from you makes +2 ;) [04:18] Scary :-) === jaldhar_ [n=jaldhar@c-24-0-153-89.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:19] bddebian: just blame me if anyone says something against it... I'll bring it before MC then ;) [04:19] heh [04:21] sistpoty: to be judged by your peers? :) [04:21] *g* [04:23] well, seriously, I think we should drop the requirement to have motu's upload new packages to revu... [04:23] yeah [04:23] though it can be useful to get feedback [04:23] I don't think it should be a requirement [04:23] Aye [04:23] I especially need review of my license/copyright crap :-( [04:23] rather make it s.th. like "motu's are encouraged to upload new packages to revu to get some review" [04:24] since it's ignored often enough by naughty people like myself [04:24] or sometimes things are reviewed within a team, like the mono team [04:24] since we're all core devs in there [04:25] IMO the biggest difficulty for a lot of people, even those who are awesome packagers is the copyright file. [04:25] I'm guessing [04:26] well... copyright is sometimes really hard... e.g. for some packages I've reviewed it was more a blind guess that some data might be non-free, and only closer inspection revealed that this was the case [04:26] (esp. game packages) [04:27] certainly === sistpoty hates it if me cannot simply grep for copyright *g* [04:28] sistpoty: yeah. [04:33] hehe, I just added new packages policy for motu's to the motu-meeting agenda :) [04:33] yay [04:33] next meeting in 2 weeks [04:34] can you add the date we decided there as well? [04:34] oh it is === ajmitch is blind [04:34] 11pm NZDT, I should still be awake === sistpoty will need to get up early [04:35] heh [04:35] 'early' = before noon? [04:35] exactly *g* === hub [n=hub@216.138.231.194] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:35] no wonder, if you're still awake at this hour [04:36] well... I should be in bed right now... but sim is still building (and just won't stop) :( [04:36] Nice. 9 PM. [04:36] I'll be able to do that. [04:36] hence why we're rotating the times [04:36] Right. === TheMuso feels that now he is a MOTU, he should step up his participation. [04:38] Is it imperative that you list a copyright holder's email address in the copyright file? [04:38] TheMuso: it's nice to have the info present [04:39] sistpoty: Right. === ajmitch wonders what else can go on the agenda for the next meeting [04:45] hm... I've just been thinking about a revu-sprint, but actually we should have one *before* the next meeting, since there is only one week left until FF after the meeting === lastnode [n=lastnode@upstream/dev/lastnode] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [04:46] sistpoty: Who needs a revu sprint with you on the case? ;-) [04:46] bddebian: I haven't been reviewing that much lately :( === TheMuso hopes to be ready for reviewing by then. [04:46] hm... maybe we should have a short reviewing-school session? [04:47] great idea [04:47] Yep. [04:47] bddebian & you can lead it [04:47] Its not so much I don't know what to look for, its feeling confident that what I say is or isn't correct, is the right decision. [04:48] TheMuso: pfft, I'm usually wrong :-) [04:48] bddebian: I don't want to be. [04:48] Me either [04:48] I am a bit of a perfectionist. [04:49] Oh no, not another ajmitch ;) [04:49] And, there is the fact that we are working on software that potentially will be used by lots of people. [04:49] or noone ;) [04:50] exactly :-) [04:50] ajmitch: I don't like to look at it that way. === ajmitch has packages that are used by many, many people [04:51] I work on packages that certainly get used by a vocal user group. === bddebian has no packages [04:51] bddebian: really? [04:51] I find that hard to believe [04:51] Nope === sistpoty maintains only 2 [04:54] Nevertheless, IMO the fact is that this stuff needs to work and install as well as we can make it do so. [04:54] of course [04:56] About the agenda for the next meeting... I have gotten different answers from different MOTUs about what to do about upstream supplied debin dirs. IMO, if they don't suck, there's nothing wrong with using them, but I'd like to know what the policy is and have it consistently applied.... === ScottK has no packages waiting to be reviewed, so I have to stop the conversation some other way... === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:58] ScottK: :-) [04:59] tritium!! [04:59] hi bddebian :) [05:00] ScottK: Good point. [05:00] ScottK: write it on the wiki then [05:00] Which wiki page? [05:01] MOTU/Meetings [05:01] OK. Got it. [05:07] Added. Found a slightly more polite way to say use it if it doesn't suck. [05:09] heh [05:10] heh === derjohn [n=derjohn@80.69.41.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu-motu === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:22] sheesh... just got the .changes mail that Adri2000 already merged sim. damn mail delays :( [05:23] sistpoty: I've had a couple that have taken a while to come through. [05:25] anyways I'm off to bed now [05:25] gn8 everyone [05:25] Night sistpoty === pochu [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:33] Is it a bug that a Universe package (a postfix policy daemon) is classified as "very urgent"? [05:34] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/whitelister/0.8-3 === pochu_ [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:39] ScottK: No. [05:40] My guess is that package was from Debian and it was a very important fix. [05:40] And when Ubuntu was autosyncing, thats what it got. [05:41] OK. [05:42] So that changes based on the urgency of the last update? [05:42] Yes [05:43] All it does is reflect what was in the changelog. [05:46] Thanks. Checked the changelog and that's exactly what it was. === ScottK learns more about this stuff all the time. === Weems [n=frodo@unaffiliated/weems] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:03] Anyone know wtf this is? I just now got it and I haven't changed anything: [06:03] debian/rules:76: *** commands commence before first target. Stop. === mruiz [n=mruiz@ubuntu/member/mruiz] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Bye!"] [06:04] without seeing debian/rules, I can't say for certain [06:07] What's weird is that it worked like 2 minutes ago [06:08] ah, then you must have broken it [06:09] Computers usually work like that... === fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK will be curious to hear what it was. [06:15] ScottK: Dunno, I just copied back my working copy :-) [06:16] Stuff happens I guess. === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:34] I'd appreciate a pointer to where something documents what ${misc:Depends} does. I'm looked in the Debian New Maintainers guide, the Debian Policy guide, and their packaging manual with no luck. === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:35] Thats weird. I would have thought it would be documented somewhere. [06:36] I'm sure it is. I just can't seem to find it. === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:47] TheMuso: Found it in the debhelper man page. [06:47] ah ok [06:48] Damn I hate having to add man pages :-( === ScottK has found it easier than trying to patch existing man pages to be correct for Debian unique things. [06:52] Man pages are alright once you get around the syntax. [06:52] I have to look at another for reference however whenever I do edit one. [06:52] Aye but for a GUI package I find it stupid :-) === ScottK has seen more than one man page that just said "Hey - the documentation is located in X, go read it there". === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === derjohn [n=derjohn@80.69.41.2] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rraphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:15] Gnight folks === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-054-177.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK waved goodby to bddebian... === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rexbron [n=rexbron@complex1-372-008.resnet.yorku.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Kagou [n=Kagou@88.139.240.16] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:56] Good night everyone. === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-motu === herzi [n=herzi@p548FDC20.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying_ [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ivoks [n=ivoks@1-234.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp28-178.lns1.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-215-128.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth_ [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:35] Lovely! [09:36] SPeakup with hardware synths in 2.6.20 is screwed! === TheMuso is surviving with software speech on this box which is painfully slow [09:36] Serves you right for running feisty. :-P [09:37] har har har [09:37] I've got to get this resolved at some point however. [09:38] It has to do with the kernel and speakup fighting over a serial port I think. [09:38] I'm going to report a bug once I have got san ISA synth functioning. [09:38] WHich will give me some sanity. [09:39] And it looks like spambayes needs work as well. [09:39] great! [09:42] hay guys. How comes that libc6-dev has conflicting files with libpthread-dev ? [09:42] (edgy) [09:42] Because they provide the same files [09:43] hmm because libc6-dev has -pthread? [09:43] oh, there you go, from StevenK [09:43]