[12:28] <cheatersrealm> maxamillion: are you an xubuntu dev?
[12:28] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: no, contributor ... possibly one day be a dev, just not there yet
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[12:29] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: ironically though i did lead the devel meeting today :P
[12:33] <cheatersrealm> maxamillion: I ask, because you always seem to be able to answer all of my questions
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[12:35] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: i try :) ....
[12:36] <cheatersrealm> ahh, edgy is almost done being installed on my girlfriend's laptop
[12:36] <cheatersrealm> (it just got back from the shop today)
[12:37] <maxamillion> what kinda wifi card does she have?
[12:39] <cheatersrealm> uh, whatever is builtin on the IBM t41
[12:39] <cheatersrealm> it's b
[12:39] <cheatersrealm> I'm making her get a G so I can boost the speeds though
[12:40] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: oh ... its a t41? .. yeah, you should have wifi without a problem
[12:40] <cheatersrealm> yeah :)
[12:40] <Blacktooth> This looks promising   http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2006/12/xubuntu-remote-desktop-with-vnc4server.html
[12:41] <cheatersrealm> nice
[12:41] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: actually ... most hotspots are b anyways and even if they aren't, they will default back to b even it there is 1 user connected with b .... another thing to is the fact that a wireless b can transfer at 11Mbps while the average broadband net connection in homes these days is 2Mbps
[12:41] <maxamillion> Blacktooth: sounds like a plan
[12:41] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: i would honestly stick with the b if it works
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[12:42] <cheatersrealm> can't do mythtv on her computer then :)
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[12:44] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: ahhhh ok
[12:44] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: that would be a reason to upgrade
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[12:46] <nicolah> I don't have anymore the voice "composite" in the windows manager tweaks
[12:46] <nicolah> and I don't know why
[12:46] <maxamillion> nicolah: did you recently do an upgrade?
[12:47] <maxamillion> nicolah: alot of people had this problem with edgy
[12:47] <nicolah> well yesterday I had edgy
[12:47] <nicolah> I tried the composite stuff
[12:47] <nicolah> but I can't afford it (low cpu)
[12:47] <nicolah> then I just disabled
[12:47] <nicolah> today just restarted the pc and it disappeared
[12:48] <nicolah> now I edit
[12:48] <nicolah> /home/nicola/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/wmtweaks.xml
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[12:49] <nicolah> 	<option name="Xfwm/UseCompositing" type="int" value="1"/>
[12:49] <nicolah> right ?
[12:49] <nicolah> what should I do now ?
[12:49] <maxamillion> i dunno
[12:49] <maxamillion> i don't use compositing
[12:49] <atarinox> does anybody know how to get embedded wmv to play in firefox?
[12:49] <atarinox> or epiphany?
[12:49] <maxamillion> atarinox: do you have all the right codecs for totem?
[12:50] <cheatersrealm> maxamillion: yeah, plus I would like to use G for my purposes
[12:50] <maxamillion> fair enough
[12:50] <atarinox> maxamillion: i believe so...i installed off automatix
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[12:50] <atarinox> are hte codecs in the repos?
[12:50] <maxamillion> atarinox: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#Multimedia_Players_.26_Browser_Plug-ins
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[12:51] <maxamillion> atarinox: yeah, you might need to add a repo or two but instructions for that are also on that wiki link
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[12:53] <spasticteapot> bigfuzzyjesus: Found a Thinkpad yet?
[12:56] <atarinox> maxamillion: do i have to somehow set firefox to use totem as the default player?
[12:57] <maxamillion> atarinox: not sure to be honest, i think it will just figure it out
[01:00] <atarinox> so if i have mplayer and totem plugins installed....you don't think there'd be a conflict?
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[01:00] <maxamillion> atarinox: o ... hrmmm, not sure
[01:01] <maxamillion> atarinox: you can just use the mplayer plugin with those codecs ... should be fine
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[01:30] <chris13> I need help figuring out how to set up my printer
[01:30] <chris13> I'm trying to follow the instructions on the desktop guide but it says click on the tab groups and there isn't one
[01:31] <nicolah> I'm editing /usr/share/applications .desktop files to customize my menu. Should I see che changement as soon as i edit the files or do I have to reboot ?
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[01:31] <rizzo> How can control master volume in xfce/
[01:31] <rizzo> ?
[01:33] <maxamillion> rizzo: Applications->Settings->Settings Manager->Sound
[01:34] <rizzo> then what. I was unchecking everything and the sound kept playing
[01:34] <rizzo> plus I'm looking for a way to raise/lower the volume
[01:34] <chris13> can anyone point me somewhere so I can actually get my printer set up
[01:34] <rizzo> and mute it
[01:34] <maxamillion> rizzo: oh sorry ...
[01:35] <maxamillion> rizzo: right click on the panel and click "Add New Item", scroll down to the bottom and select "Volume
[01:35] <maxamillion> "Volume Control"
[01:36] <maxamillion> *
[01:36] <maxamillion> rizzo: once that is on the panel, click the icon to the right of the sound level
[01:36] <maxamillion> rizzo: it will give you a more friendly interface
[01:39] <rizzo> thanks
[01:39] <rizzo> what is the app of choice for digital camera transfer?
[01:41] <chris13> no one knows how to set up a printer?
[01:41] <vidd> chris13, what issue you having with a printer?
[01:44] <maxamillion> rizzo: gthumb is what i use (i'm at work, had to do a little googling to remember what it was called)
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[01:45] <chris13> I just don't know how to get started
[01:45] <chris13> I need to install CUPS maybe?
[01:45] <vidd> what kind of printer you have?
[01:46] <vidd> cups should have been installed by default
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[01:46] <chris13> hp 1610 all-in-one printer, scanner, copier
[01:46] <LordGamer> anyone know of a linux netwirk ckient that will let me put in the EAP, username and password
[01:46] <chris13> well cups probably is installed by default then
[01:46] <chris13> I'm just a noob
[01:47] <maxamillion> LordGamer: EAP
[01:47] <chris13> it said something about being able to autodetect from the browser or something?
[01:47] <vidd> http://127.0.0.1:631
[01:47] <chris13> it also said something about adding it to the group shadow but I couldn't figure that out
[01:48] <LordGamer> EAP-PEAP Wireless Security
[01:49] <LordGamer> Wifi Radar do0esnt work with it
[01:50] <vidd> my daughter is doing everything in her power to prevent me from typing
[01:53] <chris13> ok I'm trying to add my printer and PSC 1600 is the closest one (I have PSC 1610)
[01:53] <chris13> It wants a password for CUPS?
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[01:54] <chris13> is that just my login stuff?
[01:54] <vidd> no...
[01:54] <chris13> ok then what?
[01:54] <vidd> you need to give cups a password
[01:54] <chris13> so just make something up?
[01:54] <vidd> or add yourself to the cups group
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[01:54] <chris13> I'd rather do the second option
[01:55] <chris13> how do I add myself to the CUPS group and do I even have a cups group?
[01:55] <maxamillion> ok ... i'm outta here ... getting off work, laters all
[01:56] <vidd> in usrs and groups....
[01:57] <vidd> select "manage groups"
[01:57] <vidd> find "lpadmin"
[01:58] <vidd> add yourself to that group
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[01:59] <linux_> hey, remember my ssh gui problem
[01:59] <linux_> lol, now i have no X
[02:01] <chris13> I was already a member of lpadmin but root isn't
[02:01] <vidd> chris13, working for you now?
[02:01] <vidd> hmmm
[02:01] <chris13> those are the only 2 users
[02:01] <chris13> I had to install a weird way
[02:01] <chris13> so I don't know if everything is right
[02:02] <vidd> give me the link for the page you are following....
[02:02] <chris13> I kept having problems with my monitor being autodetected incorrectly and was getting out of scan range errors
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[02:02] <chris13> file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktopguide/C/printer-configuration.html
[02:03] <chris13> 'click on the tab Groups' that is where I got stuck
[02:04] <vidd> yeah...these are instructions from dapper (i think)
[02:04] <chris13> ok so they are outdated
[02:05] <chris13> so if I am in that group should it not normally ask me for a password for CUPS?
[02:07] <vidd> you COULD always install gnome-cups-manager
[02:07] <chris13> well I don't think I need to do that
[02:07] <vidd> no, you dont NEED to do it
[02:07] <vidd> but it is SO much easier
[02:08] <chris13> I like the hard way because I learn a lot more
[02:08] <chris13> a big part of the reason I'm trying Linux is to learn how to use it
[02:09] <chris13> was it not supposed to ask for a password?
[02:10] <vidd> yes it IS supposed to ask for a password, but you need to make it take your USER password
[02:11] <chris13> so should I try my user name and password?
[02:13] <vidd> you can, but i will bet you dollars to donuts it dont work
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[02:14] <vidd> try adding a CUPS group, and adding yourself to it....
[02:14] <vidd> THEN your username and password SHOULD work
[02:15] <chris13> well it seemed to take it
[02:15] <chris13> I'm going to see if I can actually print something
[02:16] <vidd> what app you trying to print from?
[02:16] <vidd> If you are printing from mousepad you will need toi install a2ps
[02:17] <chris13> printing from openoffice
[02:17] <chris13> I had to restart the app but it worked
[02:18] <chris13> I wonder if I can scan something though
[02:18] <chris13> what app should I use to scan?
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[02:18] <chris13> ok
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[02:19] <vidd> apparently there is a program called "scan" that [imagine that]  scans documents
[02:21] <chris13> worth a shot
[02:21] <chris13> I was going to look for a gimp pluggin
[02:22] <vidd> that is worth a shot too
[02:22] <vidd> im doing a search in synaptic for you
[02:23] <chris13> thanks
[02:24] <chris13> I'm looking through it too
[02:24] <chris13> might be part of the printing
[02:24] <chris13> the scanner is built into the printer
[02:24] <chris13> I think that goes through CUPS too
[02:24] <chris13> just don't know how to actually make it scan
[02:25] <vidd> as i said, i dont use a scanner
[02:26] <chris13> I understand
[02:26] <vidd> To utilize a scanner under Linux one must install SANE. It is also wise to employ a front-end application for scanning such as Xsane. Linux uses a software interface to scanning devices known as SANE. PC's often use TWAIN. These software packages run as interfaces between the application and the scanner. SANE is like TWAIN except that it allows network access to the scanner through the saned (Networked scanner daemon). TWAIN is
[02:26] <vidd> not network enabled and merely talks to local applications. (It is not necessary to run the saned for local applications.)
[02:26] <chris13> just trying to be forward with as much info as possible
[02:27] <vidd> http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/LinuxTutorialScanners.html
[02:27] <vidd> chris13, i found your answer:
[02:28] <vidd> sane
[02:28] <chris13> yup
[02:28] <chris13> I just read that
[02:28] <chris13> ty much
[02:28] <vidd> no problem...i accept payments via paypal.....
[02:28] <vidd> Just kidding
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[02:31] <chris13> lol
[02:33] <chris13> nice just did a test scan and it works great
[02:33] <vidd> awesome
[02:33] <chris13> I like having less reasons to boot windows
[02:34] <vidd> remember...google is your friend....and runs on the power of linux
[02:34] <chris13> yup
[02:34] <chris13> so is this channel
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=== vidd only needs one reason to NOT boot windows:
[02:34] <vidd> It is owned by M$
[02:35] <chris13> I prefer its poor quality as a reason not to boot it
[02:35] <chris13> but I'm a gamer
[02:35] <vidd> like i said....its owned by M$
=== vidd wishes game makers whould start making live-cd games
[02:37] <chris13> yes me too
[02:37] <chris13> or at least have it be an option
[02:37] <chris13> but they don't want to have to deal with hardware problems
[02:38] <vidd> they already have to deal with hardware issues
[02:40] <chris13> well for a live CD they would use some version of Linux probably so it wouldn't be that big of a deal anyways
[02:40] <vidd> exactly
[02:41] <vidd> and they dont have to worry about working version x,y, and z linux, cuzz they just include a kernel and thier app
[02:42] <chris13> yup
[02:42] <vidd> if only one game maker did that, they would have trouble keeping the game on the shelves
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[02:43] <vidd> theyt could advertize "no OS required"!
[02:44] <chris13> yup and you could play it on any machine that could run it
[02:44] <chris13> who cares if the school computers are locked down pretty well? none of the security measures would ever boot
[02:50] <chris13> ok I'm out of here
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[03:10] <rizzo> Is gthumb going to require libgnome2?
[03:10] <Prisoner_> hello
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[03:18] <BrendanM> Hey, is there a way to set the screensaver utility to only do 2d lame screen savers? This is kind of an old machine and rendering the cool OpenGL screensavers is kind of rough on the CPU.
[03:22] <thoreauputic> BrendanM: use xscreensaver on old machines - you can configure it to only use certain screensavers
[03:23] <BrendanM> ok, so I should just go through the list and uncheck the resource-intensive ones?
[03:24] <BrendanM> I tried uninstalling the package xscreensaver-gl, but then it wanted to remove xubuntu-desktop as well
[03:24] <BrendanM> is there a way to avoid that?
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[03:28] <DrX0> anyone know where to look when you get an error message connecting to a server just after logging on for one user only?
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[03:54] <atarinox> can somebody help me....i'm trying to clean up my ubuntu box...i'm in synaptic, and looking at the residual config files; is it ok to mark all those for complete removal?
[03:55] <GKahla> good question - /i/ don't know, but someone here might
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[03:55] <atarinox> yeah i'm in no rush.....
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[03:56] <linux_> wow, i can't believe there aren't more torrent peers uploading xubuntu 6.10 i386 desktop
[03:56] <pilibeen> why don't they get it right off the ubuntu server?
[03:57] <pilibeen> err, you
[03:57] <pilibeen> prob most just updated through apt-get
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[04:01] <Blacktooth> Anyone awake that can help me with samba? My ubuntu box is showing up in the correct workgroup in XP, but the shares aren't showing
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[04:11] <linux_> what is the xubuntu website?
[04:13] <linux_> my dns server is down, anyone have an IP?
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[04:17] <Prisoner_> hi
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[04:32] <Jester45> hello all
[04:32] <Jester45> im installing rubber pads to all the moving parts of my computers
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[04:33] <Jester45> its going to be quiet
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[04:41] <malnilion> Alright, so I have strange problems where if one program is potentially putting out audio, but I have it muted or paused or something, I cannot get audio from another program like flash in Mozilla Firefox for example.
[04:43] <malnilion> I don't know how to find information about this problem because I can't think of a succinct phrase that describes my problem...
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[04:52] <thoreauputic> malnilion: if you are not using the latest flash, it doesn't use alsa so it grabs the sound device. The flah 9 version is in backports now I nelieve
[04:53] <genii> Has xfce 4.4 been packaged yet?
[04:53] <thoreauputic> *believe
[04:53] <malnilion> Really?
[04:54] <malnilion> Aight, I'll see what I can do
[04:55] <genii> !xfce
[04:55] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[04:55] <genii> !info xfce
[04:55] <ubotu> Package xfce does not exist in any distro I know
[04:55] <genii> bah
[04:56] <malnilion> thoreauputic, hey man, thanks for your suggestion.  I didn't realize I didn't have the backports repository selected.
[04:58] <genii> !info xfce4
[04:58] <ubotu> xfce4: meta-package for xfce4 dependencies. In component universe, is optional. Version 4.3.90.2 (edgy), package size 4 kB, installed size 48 kB
[04:58] <genii> Ah, still 4.3 then
[04:59] <genii> m/sg ubotu xfce4-dev
[05:00] <genii> grr
[05:00] <malnilion> thoreauputic, this is sweet, thanks!
[05:00] <thoreauputic> malnilion: :)
[05:04] <malnilion> I can play line rider now, w00t!
[05:05] <malnilion> And I don't need to pop open wine'd firefox to use flash 9 now :D
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[05:19] <jdrake> I am about to be getting an old p2-400 (6gb, 512mb) for my sister, and will be planning on installing xubuntu (unless ubuntu should work ok) onto it. The question for me is: With the recent release of xfce 4.4, is the version used in xubuntu either extremely similar or easily updated?
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[05:31] <Jester45> xubuntu Edgy Eft (6.10) is not and most liky will never use xfce 4.4 but the new verson Fiesty Fawn (7.06) will have 4.4 included
[05:31] <crimsun> as in, feisty already has 4.4 final.
[05:31] <crimsun> (and feisty is 7.04, not 7.06)
[05:31] <Jester45> o
[05:32] <Jester45> close
[05:32] <jdrake> My sister is a windows user primarily, so I must be careful and bring a good experience to her.
[05:32] <jdrake> Is Xubuntu a good choice for that.
[05:32] <Jester45> crimsun: i installed rubber dampeners to all my compter's moving parts
[05:32] <Jester45> yes
[05:33] <Jester45> and i sugest not using ubuntu on that computer
[05:33] <Jester45> crimsun: much quieter
[05:36] <jdrake> My only experience recently with a P2 and modern software is a P2-266 laptop with 192mb of ram. The laptop itself is much slower then the desktop part, and xfce runs poorly. Icewm and opera are the only things usable, no xfce or firefox.
[05:37] <jdrake> So a very bad state for comparison.
[05:37] <Jester45> well a 400mhz with 512mb ram should run fine
[05:38] <Jester45> you might want to get new harddrive if you can depending on what she does online
[05:38] <crimsun> Xfce runs fairly well on my P90 and P233
[05:38] <crimsun> I do have 80+ MB RAM on each
[05:39] <Jester45> o and just a hint flash isnt that great online with a 400mhz+linux
[05:39] <Jester45> the linux verson isnt as good as windows or it might just be that windows has directx
[05:39] <Jester45> !seen cellofellow
[05:39] <ubotu> I last saw cellofellow (n=josh@69.71.161.32) 6h 30m 25s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
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[05:40] <jdrake> She will be lucky enough to have the machine.
[05:40] <Jester45> yes
[05:42] <jdrake> She prefers windows, but I prefer to avoid the legal implications to such a choice
[05:44] <jdrake> Have you guys ever noticed firefox 2 always coming up with the restore session/start new session when having exited by shutting down the computer? (This applies to both linux/windows)
[05:45] <Jester45> this happens when ff doesnt shut down like it should
[05:45] <Jester45> ff thinks it crashed so it ask if you want your pages back or not
[05:45] <jdrake> It never shuts down properly, which it should because it is told to shutdown by the os
[05:46] <Jester45> have you tried closing it then shutdown
[05:47] <Jester45> if ff doesnt respond fast i think the os kills the process
[05:48] <jdrake> Closing manually ff works fine
[05:49] <DarthLappy> Why would lanching Thunar from the menu launch 2 instances of it?
[05:49] <jdrake> Well, bbl
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[06:58] <Blacktooth> lol I am an idiot....Been wrestling with samba and XP...stupid me forgot to punch a hole in firestarter
[06:58] <Blacktooth> I are the dumb
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[07:09] <humblefool__> anyone awake in here?
[07:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Yeah.
[07:09] <humblefool__> awesome
[07:10] <humblefool__> I'm trying to install xubuntu from CD, and it's refusing to recognise that I'm manually setting sda5 (a 25GB, ext2 partition) as /
[07:11] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Are you using the alternate cd, or the 'live' cd?
[07:12] <humblefool__> live
[07:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Is using the alternate feasible?  The installer on the live cd is still relatively immature and sometimes buggy.
[07:15] <humblefool__> means I have to download it
[07:15] <humblefool__> *sigh*
[07:15] <humblefool__> is there a "hard way" from the live CD?
[07:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> I don't believe so - I've avoided for that reason.
[07:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> *avoided it
[07:16] <humblefool__> what's alternative about the alternative iso?
[07:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The installation program, and the fact that it won't run as a livecd.
[07:17] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It uses the older ncurses installer.
[07:19] <humblefool__> guess I'll go that route
[07:24] <humblefool__> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-186688.html looks like the same error (trolling the forums for clues)
[07:25] <humblefool__> or at least related
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[07:38] <humblefool__> Quick fix:
[07:38] <humblefool__> delete the ext2 partition
[07:38] <humblefool__> and make the installer use "largest free space"
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[12:02] <neo_> Hey guys, I was wondering, how do I install the themes for xubuntu that are available online?
[12:03] <neo_> Anyone out there?
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[12:07] <neo_> Bah
[12:07] <neo_> No one there??
[12:07] <gabkdlly> hi neo_
[12:07] <neo_> Hey
[12:07] <neo_> How do I change themes in Xubuntu?
[12:07] <neo_> I mean, I know there are some preinstalled ones
[12:08] <neo_> but I'm trying to figure out how to switch between them
[12:08] <neo_> And I see nothing of the sort in the applications menu
[12:08] <gabkdlly> many themes are included by default. check and see if your theme is already in Applications->Settings->Settings Manager->User Interface
[12:09] <neo_> I don't see "settings manager" after I go to applications->Settings
[12:09] <neo_> Or User Interface, for that matter
[12:10] <gabkdlly> do you have a non-default install?
[12:10] <gabkdlly> alternate CD maybe?
[12:10] <neo_> No, totally default.
[12:10] <neo_> Nope.
[12:10] <neo_> As you can see, I know nothing about linux
[12:11] <neo_> So, I did about as default as it gets
[12:11] <gabkdlly> Settings manager should be the very first entry on the Settings menu
[12:12] <gabkdlly> do you have an English installation?
[12:12] <neo_> Yep
[12:12] <neo_> It's not on there
[12:12] <TheSheep> neo_: what version of xubuntu is it? is it xubuntu?
[12:12] <neo_> The first one "Bulk rename"
[12:13] <neo_> Yep, it's xubuntu 6.06
[12:13] <TheSheep> neo_: that's in "system", not in "settings"
[12:14] <neo_> Aw ,crap, guys
[12:14] <neo_> Sorry.
[12:14] <neo_> I didn't see "Settings"
[12:14] <neo_> Okay, now I got it.
[12:14] <neo_> Thanks.
[12:15] <TheSheep> neo_: to use new, downloaded themes, just uncompress them to ~/.themes/
[12:15] <neo_> Okay.
[12:15] <neo_> got it.
[12:15] <TheSheep> neo_: that's a hidden directory in your home
[12:15] <neo_> Another question, if you guys don't mind the n00b nature of my questions
[12:15] <gabkdlly> shoot
[12:16] <neo_> Okay.
[12:16] <TheSheep> that's what we are here for
[12:16] <neo_> I installed WINE with synaptic
[12:16] <neo_> How do I use it?
[12:16] <neo_> I mean, how do I run it?
[12:16] <neo_> It's not in the applications menu
[12:16] <neo_> Unless I dind't see it.
[12:17] <TheSheep> neo_: no, just click on some .EXE file you want to run, and select 'open with wine'
[12:17] <TheSheep> neo_: or in terminal, type 'wine filename.exe', where filename is the name of the file you want to run
[12:17] <neo_> Ah, okay.
[12:17] <neo_> Is there a way to run a program from the terminal
[12:18] <neo_> Any program at all, I mean.
[12:18] <neo_> So I don't have to use the menu
[12:18] <neo_> Like, to open firefox from the terminal
[12:18] <TheSheep> neo_: yes, just type it's name
[12:18] <TheSheep> its
[12:18] <neo_> Sweet, okay.
[12:18] <neo_> Does WINE decrease performance of a program?
[12:19] <neo_> I mean, if I run Dreamweaver with wine
[12:19] <neo_> Will it run the same performance as if I was in windows?
[12:20] <TheSheep> neo_: it just provides the windows API functions -- some might be slower than the original windows ones, some might be faster. In particular, the directx is not perfectly done
[12:21] <neo_> Ah, so high end 3d games like Battlefield 2 won't run verywell on WINE, right?
[12:22] <TheSheep> neo_: they can -- it all depends on what functions and how they use. If they use opengl, they will probably run better. There is also a fork of WINE, called CEDEGA (the binaries cost some, but you can download the sources for free), that has much better directx support
[12:23] <TheSheep> neo_: but generally, don't expect wine to work perfectly
[12:23] <neo_> Okay.
[12:23] <TheSheep> neo_: it's better to use native linux applications if you can :)
[12:23] <neo_> As to spare you from all the questions I have, is there a guide to get me started in linux?
[12:23] <neo_> Okay, I'll keep that in mind.
[12:25] <TheSheep> neo_: see docs.ubuntu.com
[12:27] <neo_> Got it.
[12:27] <neo_> Okay, I'll be screwing around with this...thank you very much for your help.
[12:27] <neo_> I'll probably be back soon with more questions ;)
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[12:38] <neo_> Hey anybody still out there?
[12:38] <gabkdlly> yup
[12:39] <neo_> Great.
[12:39] <neo_> Is it possible for my Xubuntu computer to transfer files with my windows desktop?
[12:39] <neo_> through the LAN?
[12:39] <gabkdlly> !samba
[12:39] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[12:40] <gabkdlly> there is also SSH
[12:40] <neo_> Okay, I'm checking thosel inks out
[12:41] <gabkdlly> !ssh
[12:41] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
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[12:42] <neo_> I get tis error when I try to install samba: E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[12:42] <neo_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[12:42] <neo_> Should I just try again later, or what?
[12:44] <gabkdlly> do you maybe have synaptic open?
[12:45] <neo_> Ah, yes I did.
[12:45] <neo_> It's installing now.
[12:46] <gabkdlly> it does not matter which program you use to install software (synaptic, apt-get, dpkg, ...), but you can only run one install operation at a time
[12:47] <neo_> Okay, I'll keep that in mind.
[12:47] <neo_> btw, do you know of any good alternatives to GAIM? I really hate that program. Is there a linux version of Trillian?
[12:48] <gabkdlly> There is a KDE app called Kopete
[12:48] <neo_> Will KDE apps work on Xubuntu?
[12:48] <neo_> Beings that Xubuntu uses XFCE
[12:49] <gabkdlly> they might pull in a bunch of dependencies, but yes they will work
[12:49] <neo_> Okay.
[12:49] <gabkdlly> if you prefer a console app, there is centericq
[12:50] <neo_> Will that work for AIM and Y!?
[12:50] <neo_> Or only ICQ?
[12:51] <gabkdlly> ICQ, YAHOO, AIM, IRC MSN Gadu-Gadu and Jabber
[12:52] <gabkdlly> also RSS and LiveJournal
[12:52] <gabkdlly> http://thekonst.net/en/centericq
[12:53] <neo_> Wow, okay.
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[02:05] <Laibsch> I am trying to install Xubuntu on an old computer.  I got the alternate CD but for some reason, the GUI won't come up.  I did get the command prompt.  Is there a command that will start the installation process?
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[02:12] <grazie> Laibsch: never used the alternative cd, but it has a graphical text installer rather than a gui
[02:13] <gabkdlly> Laibsch: debian-installer maybe?
[02:13] <gabkdlly> https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/installation-guide/i386/index.html
[02:13] <gabkdlly> got that by reading this link, it might help you too :)
[02:15] <Laibsch> Thanks guys.  I will give it a shot.
[02:15] <gabkdlly> if you need instructions for a different architecture, they call all be found here https://help.ubuntu.com/
[02:15] <Laibsch> No this is plain i386
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[02:17] <grazie> Laibsch: did you verify the iso image before burning (md5sum check)? I would have expected you to get a menu on booting.
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[02:28] <Laibsc2> yes, I verified the image
[02:29] <Laibsc2> It seems the images cannot boot on this computer.
[02:29] <Laibsc2> I will try and install from Knoppix.
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[02:39] <darrend_laptop> anyone know how to get my cron output mailed to a mailhost?
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[02:43] <gabkdlly> darrend_laptop: from the cron man page: "When executing commands, any output is  mailed  to  the  owner  of  the crontab (or to the user named in the MAILTO environment variable in the crontab, if such exists)."
[02:43] <gabkdlly> but I guess that is for vixie-cron
[02:44] <darrend_laptop> gabkdlly: indeed.  But it isn't doing that on my default xubuntu setup.  Presumably since no sendmail (or equivalent) is installed.
[02:44] <darrend_laptop> having installed ssmtp, it still doesn't work
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[02:44] <darrend_laptop> nothing in the logs about why mailing output may have failed
[02:45] <gabkdlly> if it does not get sent, it gets written to a file called dead.letter in your home directory
[02:45] <darrend_laptop> doesn't do that either
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[02:51] <gabkdlly> I use ssmtp. I had to do some configuring in /etc/ssmtp/ to get it to work. The files there are pretty well commented.
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[02:53] <grnwood> has anyone completely lost their keyboard shortcuts in xubuntu?
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[02:56] <grnwood> in settings/window manager/ whether i use default or a custom defined set of bindings
[02:57] <grnwood> nothing works?
[02:57] <grnwood> any ideas?
[02:57] <darrend_laptop> gabkdlly: fixed it, thanks.  It was mailing it to the mail host but not rewriting the domain so the mailhost didn't know what to do with it.  Works now
[02:58] <gabkdlly> darrend_laptop: glad to hear it
[02:59] <grnwood> I also lost the ability to hold down the ALT key while dragging a window to move it.
[03:02] <grnwood> wow i don't even have ALT-TAB
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[03:19] <janimo> hi, anyone willing to test Herd 3 ISO candidates otday?
[03:19] <janimo> today
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[03:41] <Jakke> Hello all, got a problem with xfce4-panel
[03:41] <Jakke> it won't launch on boot
[03:42] <Jakke> So I have to go to launch a terminal and then launch it that way manually.
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[03:43] <Jakke> What do I need to do to get xfce4-panel to launch on boot?
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[03:49] <janimo> Jakke: launch it and make sure you check the save session toggle when logging out
[03:49] <janimo> it then remembers to start the panel next time if it's in the currently running session
[03:49] <Jakke> ahhh okay, thanks, brb
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[05:37] <fxr> hi, i wanna edit my applications menu, ive started creating .desktop files in my /usr/share/applications folder.. but its very time comsuming, can anyone recommend a GUI tool, which will help speed me along..?
[05:38] <grazie> fxr: I don't think there is a released xfce tool for doing this....yet
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[05:41] <fxr> ahh, ok thatll do, ll muddle on through then, thanks ... grazie
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[05:54] <grazie> did someone post a link about how to install from an iso file image recently?
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[06:02] <NoGoo> How do I figure out what has gone wrong with an installation?
[06:03] <TheSheep> NoGoo: read the log file in /var/log
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[06:05] <NoGoo> ok, thanks
[06:06] <nicolah> HELP !
[06:06] <nicolah> I don't know what happened but I cannot move windows anymore
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[06:08] <nicolah> evrything'ok
[06:08] <nicolah> thanks anyway
[06:09] <nicolah> I just restarted the session
[06:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> TheSheep: wow, it worked.
[06:09] <grazie> TheSheep: amazing!
[06:09] <TheSheep> PuMpErNiCkLe: :D
[06:10] <TheSheep> our help will reach you even if you disconnect :D
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[06:14] <grazie> !seen somerville*
[06:15] <grazie> !seen somerville
[06:15] <ubotu> I haven't seen somerville recently
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[06:16] <TheSheep> !seen somerville32
[06:16] <ubotu> I last saw somerville32 (n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32) 1d 5h 20m 54s ago, quiting: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
[06:17] <grazie> TheSheep: thanks
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[06:30] <neo_> Hey guys, anyone know why it won't let me save the changes on a text document?
[06:31] <neo_> For example, I want to change the sources.list and uncomment some lines
[06:31] <neo_> But whenever I save it I get an error saying, "Can't open file to write"
[06:32] <neo_> Anyone out there?
[06:32] <grazie> neo_: you need admin privs. prefix you commands with sudo
[06:32] <neo_> But I"m editting a text file
[06:33] <neo_> How do I prefix my commands ehn I'm directly changing a file
[06:33] <neo_> Unless you mean to open it with sudo
[06:34] <grazie> sources.list belongs to root. 'sudo edit sources.list' (where edit is the editor you use)
[06:35] <neo_> What's the default editor?
[06:35] <grazie> neo_: what where you trying to use?
[06:35] <TheSheep> mousepad
[06:36] <neo_> I'm trying to install IEs4linux
[06:36] <neo_> And they want me to uncomment some stuff
[06:37] <grazie> 'sudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list'. Do you follow?
[06:38] <neo_> Ah, yes.
[06:38] <grazie> 'gksudo mousepad /etc/apt/sources.list' would be better though
[06:38] <neo_> Just got it.
[06:38] <neo_> What's gksudo?
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[06:39] <grazie> !gksudo
[06:39] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application> 
[06:40] <neo_> Oh really?
[06:41] <grazie> so if you want to run a gui app as root, always use gksudo (or gksu), otherwise sudo is fine
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[06:42] <neo_> OKay, I'll keep that in mind.
[06:42] <neo_> How do I add the WineHQ APT Repositary
[06:43] <neo_> (The next step in the installation)
[06:46] <grazie> neo_: that was in the forums recently - you had look?
[06:47] <neo_> No haven't...but I will if you say so
[06:49] <grazie> neo_: look at this http://www.winehq.com/site/download-deb
[06:54] <neo_> Ahh okay.
[06:54] <neo_> Thanks.
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[07:06] <neo_> Hey guys, what exactly are dependencies?
[07:07] <gabkdlly> a piece of software often requires other pieces of software to run. These other programs that are depended upon are called dependencies
[07:08] <gabkdlly> if you install a package with Synaptic, it will often give you a list of other programs that will need to additionally be installed in order to install your desired program. Those are the dependencies of your desired program.
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[08:14] <rikai> is there a xubuntu equivelant to nautilus' right-click > share folder?
[08:16] <Commander-Crowe> I think pcfileman(?) can do that
[08:18] <rikai> pcfileman?
[08:19] <Commander-Crowe> eh
[08:19] <Commander-Crowe> like me double check that
[08:20] <Commander-Crowe> uh oh
[08:21] <Commander-Crowe> rikai pcmanfm
[08:24] <rikai> Not seeing it in the repos?
[08:27] <rikai> I was hoping for something already included in xubuntu or in the repositories... heh.
[08:27] <Commander-Crowe> rikai yeah I don't think it would be in there
[08:27] <Commander-Crowe> eh
[08:27] <Commander-Crowe> I'll look
[08:27] <Commander-Crowe> rikai can I see you /etc/apt/sources.list please?
[08:27] <Commander-Crowe> pastebin.ca it
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[08:30] <Commander-Crowe> can I see anyone's?
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[08:33] <TheSheep> !easysource
[08:33] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[08:34] <Commander-Crowe> thanks TheSheep, I'll bookmark that
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[08:43] <Commander-Crowe> TheSheep when I run sudo apt-get update everything fails
[08:43] <Commander-Crowe> hrm
[08:45] <Commander-Crowe> I just figured it out, it connects to localhost and not my internet
[08:45] <Commander-Crowe> weird
[08:47] <Commander-Crowe> I have no clue what to do
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[08:50] <rikai> Commander-Crowe, ahh, there is a xubuntu equivelant: Applications -> System -> Shared Folders
[08:51] <rikai> Although... it doesnt seem to be worknig...
[08:52] <Commander-Crowe> ooh, now i get it
[08:52] <Commander-Crowe> yeah you might have to configure samba
[09:00] <rikai> heh, nope.
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[09:08] <Commander-Crowe> maxamillion I get this error when I run sudo apt-get update "Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)
[09:08] <Commander-Crowe> "
[09:11] <maxamillion> localhost?
[09:11] <maxamillion> that's strange...
[09:12] <Commander-Crowe> yes
[09:12] <Commander-Crowe> I tried editing my /etc/hosts file
[09:12] <Commander-Crowe> but nada
[09:14] <Commander-Crowe> does this mean i have to reinstall Xubuntu again :P
[09:16] <maxamillion> no ... i don't think it will be that bad
[09:18] <Commander-Crowe> as far as I can see on the forums, it's a problem not yet resolved
[09:20] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: well now i don't feel so bad about not having an answer ... atleast others don't either
[09:21] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[09:22] <Commander-Crowe> the master of ubuntu Optimusprime is having the same problem
[09:22] <Commander-Crowe> and hasn't figured it out yet
[09:22] <Commander-Crowe> how od i placklist ipv6?
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[09:30] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: blacklist? .... there is a file for that, i forget where though ... lemme find it
[09:30] <Commander-Crowe> /etc/hosts
[09:30] <crimsun> no.
[09:30] <Commander-Crowe> no?
[09:30] <crimsun> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist*
[09:30] <maxamillion>  /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist
[09:30] <maxamillion> bah! ... beat me to it ;)
[09:30] <crimsun> per usual.
[09:31] <crimsun> ;)
[09:31] <maxamillion> lol
[09:31] <maxamillion> i couldn't remember where it was :/
[09:31] <Commander-Crowe> there's nothing there
[09:31] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: that means you haven't blacklisted anything
[09:31] <Commander-Crowe> so then...how would i blacklist ipv6?
[09:31] <Commander-Crowe> :/
[09:33] <maxamillion> no clue
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[09:48] <anon_> OK, something strange
[09:48] <anon_> I started xubuntu
[09:49] <anon_> and the top and bottom panels didn't start
[09:49] <Commander-Crowe> alt-F2
[09:49] <Commander-Crowe> xf-panel (?)
[09:49] <Commander-Crowe> xfpanel
[09:49] <Commander-Crowe> xfce4-panel
[09:50] <anon_> and there it goes
[09:50] <anon_> strange
[09:51] <anon_> one other question
[09:52] <Commander-Crowe> which one was it?
[09:52] <anon_> my wireless mouse stops working after about a minute
[09:52] <anon_> xfce4-panel
[09:52] <Commander-Crowe> ah
[09:52] <anon_> is this an xfce issue?
[09:52] <Commander-Crowe> yes
[09:52] <anon_> (because it worked fine in kubuntu and ubuntu)
[09:53] <Commander-Crowe> So far its happened to me in Xubuntu. FC5, and Slackware
[09:53] <anon_> and there's no fix?
[09:53] <Commander-Crowe> but I've only had the problem occur once
[09:57] <rikai> Thats odd... in the xubuntu share folders thing... if i dont check read only... its still read only...
[09:58] <[JtF2] -Kerpal> anyone know how to get DVD playback working in XUBUNTU? i can't play movies in gxine, ogle, or vlc
[09:59] <Commander-Crowe> rikai you don't have write rights
[09:59] <maxamillion> [JtF2] -Kerpal: do you have the codecs downloaded?
[10:00] <maxamillion> [JtF2] -Kerpal: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_DVD_playback_capability
[10:02] <rikai> Commander-Crowe, incorret. It works fine if i go and change it manually in smb.conf
[10:02] <rikai> I'm saying if i dont check the read only box, it should set writable to yes in smb.conf, but it doesn't.
[10:02] <[JtF2] -Kerpal> thanks maxamillion
[10:02] <rikai> It sets writable to no.
[10:02] <rikai> Which is what it should do if i have the read only box checked. :)
[10:03] <maxamillion> [JtF2] -Kerpal: np
[10:04] <Commander-Crowe> who's Cody Somerville?
[10:05] <[JtF2] -Kerpal> wow that was easy, it works
[10:05] <maxamillion> :)
[10:06] <Commander-Crowe> maxamillion is that you?
[10:06] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: sure is, what's up?
[10:06] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: oh ... no ... i'm not Cody
[10:06] <Commander-Crowe> argh
[10:06] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdamMiller <---Me
[10:07] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodySomerville <---Cody
[10:09] <crimsun> maxamillion: you should at least sign the CoC
[10:09] <crimsun> (and thus become an Ubuntero)
[10:09] <maxamillion> crimsun: nope ... i have ethical issues with having to sign that thing
[10:09] <maxamillion> crimsun: i'
[10:10] <maxamillion> crimsun: i'm sure i will eventually break down and do it ... but i just for some reason don't like the idea of signing it
[10:11] <Commander-Crowe> is the next Xubuntu meeting 20 days from now?
[10:11] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: lemme check
[10:11] <crimsun> maxamillion: what sort of "ethical" issues?
[10:11] <crimsun> and how did you ever join the ops team without having signed it?
[10:11] <anon_> Commander-Crowe: is there a fix for wireless-mouse issues, or do I need to dig out my old wired mouse?
[10:11] <crimsun> ops are upholding the CoC, so if you're on that team without having signed it, something is very, very misleading.
[10:12] <Commander-Crowe> anon_ I have ot see the exact issue
[10:12] <anon_> I'm not sure what it is
[10:12] <maxamillion> crimsun: i don't think i need to sign something to say i am a polite person of upstanding morals, i think my actions should speak for me
[10:13] <Commander-Crowe> anon_ then explain to me the whole error, and whatever it is thats not owkring
[10:14] <crimsun> maxamillion: unfortunately that doesn't fulfill the developer community protocol -- if in fact that's what you plan to pursue, as noted on your wiki page.
[10:14] <anon_> OK
[10:14] <maxamillion> crimsun: i know, that's why i assume i will probably just aspire to be a code contributor because of the rules on that
[10:15] <anon_> it's a microsoft wireless laser mouse 6000
[10:15] <anon_> it works long enough to let me click around and log in
[10:15] <crimsun> maxamillion: and yet you will sign various legalese for liability insurance to have a driver's license?
[10:15] <anon_> then stops after about a minute
[10:16] <anon_> (not on any particular event, AFAIK)
[10:16] <anon_> ...
[10:16] <maxamillion> crimsun: that's different, it would be against the law for me to not have those things
[10:16] <maxamillion> crimsun: --->offtopic
[10:17] <crimsun> maxamillion: the matter, afaics, is closed; there is no further need for discussion.
[10:17] <maxamillion> crimsun: k
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[10:18] <Commander-Crowe> anon_ I apologize for that
[10:18] <anon_> no problem
[10:18] <anon_> I was just about done anyway
[10:18] <anon_> the little light on the USB end stays lit.
[10:18] <Commander-Crowe> on my system if "sudo restart" is before anything, it LITERLY restarts my system
[10:19] <anon_> unplugging and re-inserting does nothing but sound naughty
[10:19] <Commander-Crowe> anon_ does it usuall darken when no in use like mine?
[10:19] <anon_> normally, yes
[10:19] <Commander-Crowe> but it stay brigt anyways?
[10:19] <anon_> yes
[10:19] <Commander-Crowe> bright
[10:20] <anon_> hmm
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[10:20] <anon_> now after I unplugged/reinserted it went dark
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[10:20] <Commander-Crowe> anon_ the system isn't seeing after you replugged it in
[10:21] <anon_> k
[10:22] <Commander-Crowe> anon_ unfortuantly I lost all that you said
[10:22] <Commander-Crowe> my loggin wasn't turned on :/
[10:23] <Commander-Crowe> but my MS wireless laser mosue doesn't even work at all
[10:23] <anon_> I'll just get a cheapie wired mouse at the local big-box
[10:23] <anon_> don't worry about it
[10:23] <Commander-Crowe> wait
[10:23] <anon_> I bet the answer's esoteric anyway
[10:24] <Commander-Crowe> do you have USB to PS/2 adapter?
[10:24] <Commander-Crowe> cuz I jsut used that an all is working now
[10:24] <anon_> no ps/2 post
[10:24] <Commander-Crowe> just
[10:24] <anon_> port*
[10:24] <anon_> it's a laptop
[10:24] <Commander-Crowe> oh you on a laptop
[10:24] <Commander-Crowe> well
[10:24] <anon_> yeah, making do with the touchpad
[10:25] <Commander-Crowe> USB mouses(that's the plural for a computer mouse) have a high chance of not working
[10:25] <Commander-Crowe> your touchpad is 10 to 1 PS/2
[10:25] <Commander-Crowe> half my USB mouses don't work with X
[10:26] <Commander-Crowe> it might be possible to install and use gpm
[10:26] <Commander-Crowe> !gpm
[10:26] <ubotu> gpm: General Purpose Mouse Interface. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.19.6-22ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 202 kB, installed size 500 kB
[10:27] <anon_> the strange thing is that it works for a minute before dying
[10:28] <Commander-Crowe> does it work without stopping before you log in?
[10:28] <anon_> yes
[10:28] <anon_> and a little bit afterwards
[10:28] <Commander-Crowe> my second guess is that your touchpad is taking the place of your wireless one
[10:29] <anon_> how would I go about either making them play nice or turning off the touchpad?
[10:29] <Commander-Crowe> first try gpm
[10:30] <Commander-Crowe> looks like i have to reinstall Xubuntu
[10:30] <Commander-Crowe> :?
[10:30] <Commander-Crowe> :/
[10:31] <anon_> ouch
[10:31] <anon_> what happened?
[10:31] <Commander-Crowe> I have no clue
[10:31] <Commander-Crowe> and niether do any of the xubuntu/ubuntu developers
[10:31] <Commander-Crowe> one of them is having the exact same problem
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[10:31] <Commander-Crowe> I can't download or update via apt-get
[10:31] <Commander-Crowe> hey sc0tt
[10:32] <maxamillion> crimsun: do i need a new gpg key for each computer i am on or is it just per email account?
[10:33] <rikai> you  might need to enable or disable legacy usb support in the bios to get a usb peripheral to work.
[10:33] <crimsun> maxamillion: you can have as many as you want, though maintenance will become cumbersome.
[10:34] <rikai> @ anon_
[10:35] <maxamillion> crimsun: oh .... ok
[10:35] <anon_> rikai: yes?
[10:36] <anon_> rikai: it works fine on the XP partition on the very same laptop
[10:39] <Commander-Crowe> maxamillion I have completed my very simple program
[10:39] <Commander-Crowe> would you like to see it?
[10:41] <DrX0> can anyone please tell me how to mount & access an LVM partition called /dev/VG_Guests/WinSqlVm (on /dev/sdb2) (system is on /dev/sda)?
[10:42] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: of course!!! :)
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[10:43] <Commander-Crowe> maxamillion its completed except for the Kernel recompiling part
[10:44] <maxamillion> oh wow ... sounds interesting
[10:47] <rikai> anon_, xp doesn't exactly follow the bios... in fact... it pretty much ignores it.
[10:47] <rikai> Or as much of it s it can.
[10:47] <DrX0> when I use double click /dev then /VG_Guests then /WinSqlVm it says "can't display location" what do I do now?
[10:47] <Commander-Crowe> maxamillion http://pastebin.ca/336211
[10:47] <rikai> Thats why manufacturers are able to get away with such buggy bioses on their motherboards. :)
[10:49] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: cool cool :)
[10:52] <Commander-Crowe> maxamillion although the program holds very little pupose, how do you like it?
[10:52] <Commander-Crowe> !seen somerville32
[10:52] <ubotu> I last saw somerville32 (n=somervil@ubuntu/member/somerville32) 1d 9h 56m 28s ago, quiting: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)
[10:52] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: its a good demonstration of basic C++ understanding
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[10:52] <Commander-Crowe> ok
[10:52] <maxamillion> i.e.- i like it
[10:53] <Commander-Crowe> ah
[10:53] <rikai> anon_, anyway, cant hurt to try it. ;)
[10:53] <Commander-Crowe> I forgot to utilze/remove the "int empty = 0;
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[10:54] <maxamillion> Commander-Crowe: no worries
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[10:55] <bigfuzzyjesus> bill gates claimed vista is stable enough to run life support
[10:55] <Commander-Crowe> oops
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[11:04] <DrX0> anyone know how to mount an LVM partition from a different Linux installation?
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[11:08] <DrX0> HELP -- anyone know how to mount an LVM partition from a different Linux installation?
[11:10] <maxamillion> nope
[11:10] <noname> hello. I have some problem with my xubuntu. or.. hm. not a problem. but I have no idea how to change the theme. I have downloaded a few from xfce-look.org and unzipped them at /usr/share/themes/ - is that right or wrong?
[11:10] <Commander-Crowe> menu > setting > user interfernce % windows manager
[11:10] <Commander-Crowe> noname
[11:11] <Laibsch> My computer does not bring up networking interfaces upon reboot.  Calling "/etc/init.d/networking restart" after logging in from the console brings up the interfaces just fine.  What is keeping ubuntu from configuring the interfaces straight at startup?
[11:12] <Laibsch> this is a fresh install with debootstrap
[11:13] <noname> oh thanks. hm.. As I said im not so very good at this... but when I download a theme, for example http://xfce-look.org/content/show.php?content=38852. do I just unzip it to /usr/share/themes/? because it doesn't look like the screenshot. how do I get opacity and the other cool stuff? :)
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[11:15] <maxamillion> noname: opacity is a feature of xfce called compositor
[11:16] <noname> oh. how does it work? is there like a tutorial or guide somewhere where I can learn about that?
[11:17] <maxamillion> noname: not sure, i don't use it ... google might be your best bet
[11:18] <bigfuzzyjesus> noname, go to window manager tweaks and it will give you all the options under the compositor tab
[11:19] <noname> hm. I hate this. I have Xubuntu in Swedish. Is there any way to change the language to English without installing it again?
[11:20] <bigfuzzyjesus> are you swedish?
[11:21] <bigfuzzyjesus> noname,
[11:21] <noname> yeah
[11:27] <noname> bigfuzzyjesus; why do you wonder that?
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[11:28] <bigfuzzyjesus> noname, because i have no idea why you would have it set to swedish otherwise
[11:29] <noname> haha :p ok yes im swedish. but I want it in english instead. its so much easier than swedish when reading tutorials, forums and so on
[11:29] <noname> is it possible to change the language somehow?
[11:29] <bigfuzzyjesus> yeah, i gotcha
[11:29] <bigfuzzyjesus> i dont know about that, lemme look around
[11:31] <bigfuzzyjesus> noname, go to Applications>System>Language Support
[11:34] <noname> ok. thanks. changed the language to english and downloading some files. I think i'll have to reboot or log out before the changes will be done. brb
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[11:40] <noname> bigfuzzyjesus: didn't work as I hoped. most of my stuff are in English now. but not like the applications-menu =/
[11:40] <bigfuzzyjesus> noname, beyond there i dont know what do do
[11:40] <bigfuzzyjesus> sorry
[11:42] <noname> thanks. hey now I got it to work. don't ask me how but it works now :)
[11:42] <noname> thanks!
[11:43] <bigfuzzyjesus> noname, no problem
[11:44] <noname> back to my original question.. don't remember who answered, but someone said that I could change all the "cool stuff" in  Window manager tweaks...
[11:44] <noname> now I have found it, but I cant change anything like opacity or so there
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[11:45] <maxamillion> noname: there should be a "compositor" tab on the far right ... if there isn't, then there is a work around to get it there (i don't know what it is, but i know it has been done ... that's a bug in edgy that has been fixed in feisty which will release in late April)
[11:46] <DrX0> What's the F in the partitioner mean?
[11:46] <maxamillion> DrX0: F?
[11:47] <noname> oh. hm. =/ does anyone else now how to solve the problem?
[11:47] <bigfuzzyjesus> noname, no sorry...
[11:49] <DrX0> I was creating new LVM partitions similar to the one's I can't access to see if it would build entries in the fstab file that I could copy in order to mount the LVM volumes I cannot access, and it shows an F before them in the partitioner.
[11:49] <grazie> noname: what's the problem?
[11:49] <LordGamer> Has anyone tried to get a 1900XT to work under linux
[11:50] <DrX0> maxamillion, yeah, I know it's lame, but I honestly don't know how else to get the LVM volume mounted.
[11:51] <grazie> noname: you trying to get the compositor working?
[11:51] <bigfuzzyjesus> LordGamer, im assuming that is a radeon grafix card
[11:51] <noname> yeah exactly.
[11:51] <noname> grazie: but I dont have the compositor tab =/
[11:51] <LordGamer> yes bigfuzzyjesus
[11:51] <bigfuzzyjesus> LordGamer, more than likely they have gotten it to work, i would try the forums for a tutorial
[11:52] <grazie> noname: in a terminal do 'locate xfwm4.xml'
[11:52] <maxamillion> DrX0: yeah ... i unfortunately have no clue
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[11:53] <grazie_> noname: any luck?
[11:54] <noname> noname@noname-laptop:~$ locate xfwm4.xml
[11:54] <noname> /usr/share/xubuntu-default-settings/accessibility/xfce4/mcs_settings/xfwm4.xml
[11:55] <grazie_> noname: now 'cp /usr/share/xubuntu-default-settings/accessibility/xfce4/mcs_settings/xfwm4.xm ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings'
[11:55] <DrX0> maxamillion, what's the diff bet fstab & mtab?
[11:58] <noname> noname@noname-laptop:~$ cp /usr/share/xubuntu-default-settings/accessibility/xfce4/mcs_settings/xfwm4.xm ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings
[11:58] <noname> cp: cannot stat `/usr/share/xubuntu-default-settings/accessibility/xfce4/mcs_settings/xfwm4.xm': No such file or directory
[11:58] <noname> hm.. must have spellt something wrong :S
[11:58] <DrX0> how do you mount a /dev/sdb drive?
[11:58] <maxamillion> DrX0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fstab .... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtab
[11:58] <grazie_> noname: now 'cp /usr/share/xubuntu-default-settings/accessibility/xfce4/mcs_settings/xfwm4.xml ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings'
[11:59] <grazie_> noname: I missed the l in .xml
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[11:59] <noname> oh.. *newbie* now its done
[12:00] <grazie_> noname: add this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3751/ to /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:01] <noname> hm. just add it at the end of the file?:S
[12:01] <grazie_> yep
[12:01] <noname> done
[12:02] <grazie_> restart X (ctrl+alt+backspace)
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[12:06] <noname> grazie: im back... the xserver could start. so I had to remove the stuff I pasted in xorg.conf before I could start the xserver again :S
[12:07] <grazie_> noname: oh?
[12:07] <grazie_> noname: what's your system?
[12:07] <noname> xubuntu 6.04 I think
[12:08] <Commander-Crowe> 6.06
[12:08] <noname> yeah thats it
[12:08] <grazie_> I don't know if compositor is supported on Dapper?
[12:09] <noname> hm. okey... but can't I upgrade to 6.10, edgy it is, ?
[12:09] <grazie_> Commander-Crowe: 6.06=?
[12:09] <Commander-Crowe> dapper
[12:10] <Commander-Crowe> 6.10 is edgy
[12:10] <grazie_> thought so.
[12:10] <Commander-Crowe> 7.04 is feisty
[12:10] <noname> aha. hm. but is it able to upgrade from dapper to edgy?
[12:10] <Commander-Crowe> no
[12:10] <Commander-Crowe> not nicely anyways
[12:11] <noname> but unnicely?:)
[12:11] <Commander-Crowe> yeah
[12:11] <Commander-Crowe> tares your system apart
[12:12] <DrX0> mount /dev/sdb2 reports "mount:  can't find /dev/sdb2 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab" but it's there in the partitioner
[12:13] <noname> ok =/ maybe its easier to download edgy and just re-install it?
[12:13] <grazie_> noname: you'll have to upgrade if you want it. To be honest (for some unkown reason for me) it's slows on ubuntu anyway
[12:14] <noname> is it big difference on dapper and edgy?
[12:15] <grazie_> noname: is what a big difference?
[12:15] <noname> I dont now :p there must be some difference
[12:15] <Commander-Crowe> noname: I'd stick with dapper unless your having problem or if its on a laptop
[12:15] <noname> it is on a laptop
[12:15] <Commander-Crowe> problems
[12:15] <Commander-Crowe> yeah
[12:15] <Commander-Crowe> there's alot of laptop bugs in dapper
[12:16] <Commander-Crowe> move up to edgy
[12:16] <noname> okey. I will download it and install it now then. thanks for the help, so far. i'll be back later, i think
[12:16] <noname> bye for now
[12:17] <Commander-Crowe> bye
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