| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning beagle, do we want to hide the desktop file or simply change the section in kmenu ? | 12:16 |
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| Tonio_ | I think we shouldn't hide it completly since other tools like kio-beagle don't allow to configure it | 12:16 |
| Tonio_ | kerry does | 12:16 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: no idea, what's the issue? | 12:25 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the desktop file is created in a "gnome" section :) | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll patch the desktop file the way we did with hplip... | 12:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I hope portland project will let kde4 use the same sections than gnome, since this is really a pitty | 12:27 |
| Tonio_ | no way to install a gtk admin tool that doesn't crap the kmenu.... | 12:27 |
| Riddell | it's nothing to do with portland, it's just gnome people have to talk to kde people and vice-versa | 12:30 |
| Riddell | equally someone needs to look at why KOffice doesn't show up in the gnome menu | 12:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: isn't that one of portland goals ? | 12:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning this, it is probably a matter of "onlyshowin" in teh desktop files | 12:31 |
| Riddell | oh, it's because KOffice still uses obsolete applnk menu entries | 12:32 |
| Riddell | I'll poke upstream to get it fixed | 12:32 |
| Riddell | portland goals are cross desktop interfaces for common actions, menu spec is done elsewhere | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah okay I thought it was also part of i | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | it | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: another example of the /media folder when nothing is mounted (no floppy or cdrom inserted) | 12:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture12.png | 12:35 |
| Tonio_ | that's ugly and probably strange for the user | 12:35 |
| Riddell | ? I see nothing related there | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | why do I have a folder called "cdrom0" | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: refresh ;) | 12:36 |
| Riddell | mm, yes, ugly | 12:36 |
| Tonio_ | media:/ gives something related to what is mounted only | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | and icon names are wau better | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's all the little things that are not reported on launchpad that I have to check for next meeting | 12:37 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: 6th build of kdepim today..... my cpu is dead ;) | 12:39 |
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| Hobbsee | imbrandon: done amarok yet? :) | 01:32 |
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| ScottK | Lure: The workaround for the LP tagging problem appears to be including which release you are interested in - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+bugs?field.tag=verification-needed | 03:36 |
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| Jucato | manchicken: when/how did you receive your @kubuntu.org?!?! | 03:39 |
| manchicken | Jucato: It's automatic. | 03:39 |
| manchicken | Jucato: If you'll notice, I sent it to your kubuntu.org ;) | 03:39 |
| Jucato | whoa | 03:39 |
| Jucato | lol it just came in kmail and didn't notice koolness | 03:39 |
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| imbrandon | hobbsee , crimsun , yea , working on it now actualy | 03:48 |
| jdong | well, a first impression of campus internet from leeching off their wifi from a hotel 1.5 miles away.... | 03:49 |
| jdong | not all that pleasant :D | 03:49 |
| jdong | yay for 1Mbit! | 03:49 |
| Jucato | moin imbrandon!!! long time no see :) | 03:49 |
| imbrandon | Jucato, heya | 03:51 |
| bddebian | Any of you kubuntu types going to merge yakuake? | 04:01 |
| imbrandon | bddebian, i hadent had plans to but i can if you or no one else wants to | 04:12 |
| imbrandon | i need to finish amarok first though | 04:12 |
| bddebian | I'm looking at it, I'm just worried about missing anything important :) | 04:12 |
| imbrandon | ;) | 04:13 |
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| bddebian | Jucato: ? | 04:16 |
| Jucato | I was planning on learning to package really quick and package kuickshow... but feature freeze is on the 15th... | 04:16 |
| bddebian | Ahh :) | 04:16 |
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| imbrandon | lol | 04:21 |
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| imbrandon | Riddell, ping | 05:17 |
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| zakame | hi all | 07:44 |
| Jucato | zakame!!!! | 07:44 |
| zakame | yo Jucato | 07:44 |
| Jucato | you weren't there when I was grilled :( | 07:44 |
| zakame | yeah sorry about that, haven't seen the log yet | 07:45 |
| Jucato | hehe :) | 07:45 |
| Jucato | welcome back to the world of development :P | 07:45 |
| zakame | I was never away, just distracted :P | 07:45 |
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| Jucato | yes you were away... "without a good internet connection" == away :D | 07:46 |
| zakame | heh | 07:47 |
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| zakame | anyway, is there a current wlan app in feisty that can do run-parts on /etc/network/if-* ? | 07:48 |
| zakame | it appears that neither wlassistant nor kwlan does that | 07:49 |
| ScottK | Here's a question.... When I look at tar files in Konqueror on my Feisty laptop, the file type is in French. Is that a Tar problem, a Konqueror problem, or a locale problem? Any ideas? | 07:49 |
| orkid | good job on feisty! it's running great here :D | 07:50 |
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| rideout | i just upgraded to feisty and only have one problem, dbus | 09:23 |
| rideout | dbus-uuidgen has an unresolved symbol error | 09:23 |
| rideout | anyone have any thoughts? should I report it, or is it just me? | 09:24 |
| rideout | the symbol is dbus_internal_do_not_use_create_uuid | 09:26 |
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| mhb | morning | 11:29 |
| Jucato | moin mhb | 11:30 |
| Jucato | it's possible to install multiple versions of debootstrap on the same system right? | 11:31 |
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| Jucato | like debootstrap for dapper, edgy, and feisty? | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | morning all :) | 11:33 |
| Jucato | moin Tonio_ | 11:33 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: I need to install the debootstrap debs for dapper and feisty if I want to build pbuilders for them right? | 11:34 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: just install pbuilder and sudo pbuilder --create | 11:35 |
| Jucato | Tonio_: I'm still on edgy | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | should be a dep of pbuilder in fact | 11:35 |
| Tonio_ | but yeah that's required | 11:35 |
| Jucato | so if I'm on edgy, and want to make a feisty pbuilder, I need to install feisty's deboostrap (.deb), together with edgy's? | 11:36 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: no just install pbuilder and dbootstrap and then configure pbuilder for feisty and that's it | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | aka s/edgy/feisty in /etc/pbuilderrc | 11:40 |
| Jucato | ah ok | 11:40 |
| Tonio_ | then sudo pbuilder --create --override-config | 11:40 |
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| Jucato | thanks. I'll try building one right now | 11:41 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I've finished the kdepim networkstatus thing | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but we'll need to sync the changes with debian, has I have to create a new networkstatus-dev package | 12:44 |
| Tonio_ | opensuse does it, debian ignores the header files, which are necessary to build knetworkmanager with networkstatus support | 12:45 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what needs changed? | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | a few kdepim patches needed to install the header files | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | then a new package and .install file to get them | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | and also a little change on kdepim-dev.install, another header missing | 12:45 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: look at that patch, it'll give you all the keys of what needs changing : | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/54 | 12:46 |
| Tonio_ | in fact the networkstatus debian packaging is incorrect, lots of files are missing | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | but presumably because kde has it in the source, but doesn't fully install it (experimental thing probably) | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | so networkstatus is there in the code, but needs patching for full install | 12:47 |
| Tonio_ | once kdepim is okay I'll build knetworkmanager (should be easy) and hopefully all will work like in suse | 12:48 |
| Riddell | that's not debian's fault, that's KDE's fault | 12:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yup that's what I said | 12:51 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's why we have to merge both patches and packaging changes to debian once it's tested as working | 12:52 |
| Lure | Tonio_: should we name the package kde-networkstatus-dev ? | 12:56 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: that's the way suse does | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | maybe we should do the same indeed | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: dunno if debian will accept that change :) | 12:57 |
| Tonio_ | at the moment I only did a networkstatus-dev package | 12:57 |
| Lure | Tonio_: true, there is already networkstatus package - then better leave it as si | 12:58 |
| Lure | s/si/is/ | 12:58 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: that's my point too | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: less changes, more chances to be accepted by the mother distro :) | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'll put all the package on my repo if you wanna test toonight | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: 6 days before feature freeze to get that in | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning the samba spec, I will not have tie to implement it as samba seems broken on feisty at the moment | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll focu on that networkstatus thing which looks more important in my opinion | 01:10 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yeah, didn't expect so | 01:10 |
| Riddell | agreed | 01:10 |
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| Tonio_ | too many food behind the keys :) | 01:11 |
| Lure | Tonio_: you rock! | 01:12 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: wait to see it working ;) | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: everything is theory at the moment | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: but documentation of patches in rpms is horrible, no way to clearly follow the changes.... | 01:14 |
| Riddell | should be just patch -p1 < foo.diff in the .spec file | 01:18 |
| Riddell | but maybe suse has some funky way to do this | 01:18 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: suse has some normal and reverted patches too | 01:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like their build system can try to patch both ways during the build :) that's nasty isn't it ? :) | 01:31 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: chances to get a fixed kaffeine for feisty are very little unfortunatelly.... | 01:38 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I just asked upstream, we'll see when it's released, maybe with a UFV exception... | 01:38 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what's broken? | 01:40 |
| Tonio_ | konqueror crash | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kaffeine team is currently fixing the issue, but looks like it'll not be released before at least 2 month | 01:41 |
| Tonio_ | maybe we'll be able to provide a last minute inclusion | 01:41 |
| Riddell | oh, well kmplayer is a decent enough solution, if kaffeine doesn't get in then it can wait until the next release | 01:43 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sure, but that would be better to ship with a all-in-one player only ;) | 01:44 |
| Riddell | yes | 01:45 |
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| danimo | Tonio_: ping? | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: pong | 01:58 |
| danimo | Tonio_: are the packages frozen already? | 01:58 |
| danimo | Tonio_: I'm having an interesting conversation with the knm guys | 01:59 |
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| Tonio_ | danimo: about ? | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: we can upload changes at the moment, no problem | 02:01 |
| danimo | Tonio_: it might be possible to have the vpn plugins working with native kde dialogs | 02:02 |
| danimo | Tonio_: and I am implementing ad-hoc networking support as we speak | 02:02 |
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| danimo | Tonio_: I just need testers, probably by the beginning of next week | 02:03 |
| Tonio_ | great | 02:04 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: so ad-hoc doesn't work right ? | 02:04 |
| danimo | Tonio_: the problem is two-fold | 02:05 |
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| danimo | Tonio_: for one, knm doesn't support creating one | 02:05 |
| danimo | Tonio_: and secondly, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384033 indicates the backend support is broken | 02:05 |
| Tonio_ | okay | 02:06 |
| Tonio_ | well danimo once you have something to test, let me know and I'll put the patches in, so that we can all test this | 02:06 |
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| Tonio_ | I'll have time to drop the patches it that causes issues | 02:07 |
| danimo | ok, cool | 02:07 |
| danimo | Tonio_: knm has developed a lot | 02:07 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: is there a stable release coming arround ? | 02:08 |
| Jucato | um... question... what if my pbuilder create was abruptly interrupted? will it resume the next time I issue the same command? or do I restart from scratch? | 02:09 |
| danimo | Tonio_: did you ever do anything but package from svn? | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: well the current version is build with the only official release | 02:10 |
| Tonio_ | Jucato: restart with the same command | 02:10 |
| danimo | Tonio_: oh, right. there's been a 0.1 | 02:11 |
| Jucato | ok. thanks | 02:11 |
| danimo | but that's like... ancient | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: hehe | 02:11 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: ancient but stable ;) that's the point | 02:11 |
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| Tonio_ | danimo: it would be interesting to test a svn build | 02:13 |
| danimo | Tonio_: but network manager has been kind of a bitch lately | 02:13 |
| danimo | Tonio_: if you do so, add libnm-dev to the dep list | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: it is already a builddep | 02:14 |
| danimo | Tonio_: and you might need to #define __u64 | 02:14 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: are you talking about builddep or dep ? | 02:14 |
| danimo | Tonio_: sorry, not libnm | 02:15 |
| danimo | Tonio_: libnl-1 | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | ah okay | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I may give a shot but that's not an emergency for feisty as the current version is stable enough | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: what is the global changelog ? | 02:16 |
| danimo | Tonio_: "svn log" :) | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: dude that's rude :) | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I mean did you test it ? | 02:17 |
| Tonio_ | okay let's svn log then...... | 02:18 |
| Tonio_ | :'( | 02:18 |
| danimo | Tonio_: no, I didn't test it. I will do so over the weekend | 02:19 |
| danimo | Tonio_: I am talking to thoenig about doing another release | 02:19 |
| Tonio_ | yeah that would be great :) | 02:20 |
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| Tonio_ | although it'll not be so hard to patch the code for networkstatus with a new release.... | 02:21 |
| danimo | Tonio_: I think we (kubuntu) should really get involved with this. network manager is not as good and reliable as it should be | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: that's what I'm just working on | 02:21 |
| danimo | Tonio_: network status is working in feisty? | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I'm doing the implementation right now | 02:21 |
| danimo | Tonio_: suse must have networkstatus at a recent level | 02:21 |
| danimo | Tonio_: or are you doing it differently? | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I use suse work | 02:21 |
| danimo | Tonio_: I just talked with both of the knm main devs | 02:22 |
| danimo | Tonio_: I think it would be more helpful if we actually got those patches into svn | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: in fact it was in the code previously but was removed as part of suse work | 02:22 |
| danimo | Tonio_: they aready added some suse specialities to svn, added with proper compile conditions | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | now networkstatus is in kde svn, yes, we should have that in the code | 02:22 |
| Tonio_ | eventually as a configure option to activate | 02:23 |
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| danimo | Tonio_: hmm, not sure what you are trying to say? the knm part was moved to be a patch, but the kde part is in svn now? | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: exactly was I was talking about hehe :) | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: networkstatus is now in kde source right ? | 02:23 |
| danimo | Tonio_: the suse specialties are limited to calling modem setup routines sofar :) | 02:23 |
| danimo | Tonio_: I think so at least | 02:23 |
| Tonio_ | the only thing is that it requires a little patch to install headers files | 02:23 |
| danimo | Tonio_: can you join #knetworkmanager ? | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | otherwise knm cannot be compiled with the networkstatus patch | 02:24 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: sure | 02:24 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: it works ;) | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: at least for kmail/kontact | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: when I start it and knetworkmanager is disconnected, no error message | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: hehe :) | 02:55 |
| Tonio_ | let's test with kopete | 02:56 |
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| Tonio_ | danimo: do you know if there is something to activate for kopete to deal with networkstatus ? | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | a patch or configure option ? | 02:58 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: could you check this dialog, tell me what you think : http://enhance-it.dk/logout-pre.png | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: ouch, very gnomish !!!!! | 02:58 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: missing the cancel button, but that will come | 02:59 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I know, I stole the icons from gnome ;) | 02:59 |
| danimo | no idea | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | well it's not bad, but I wonder what will our kde users think about this :) | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: any opinion ? | 02:59 |
| danimo | what's so bad about the current logout dialog? | 02:59 |
| _StefanS_ | danimo: its ugly and outdated for one. :) | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: nothing, just to try something different | 02:59 |
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| _StefanS_ | IMHO | 03:00 |
| danimo | Me thinks the logout dialog should ideally only contain "switch user", "sleep mode" and "shutdown" | 03:00 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: I like it :) | 03:00 |
| Riddell | danimo: too many small buttons | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: about the hybernate stuff, is that only comming to the windows when you use a laptop ? | 03:00 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: thanks :) - thats one positive vote :) | 03:00 |
| Riddell | danimo: which sleep mode? what if you want to log out? | 03:00 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yes | 03:00 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: It will autodetect that | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: networkstatus works for knetworkmanager and kdepim :) | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that rocks !! | 03:01 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what happens if you're not using network-manager? | 03:01 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: thanks for the fix on knetworkmanager btw ! | 03:01 |
| danimo | Riddell: simply, suspend to ram if the bios is capable of handling it correctly, and go to hibernation if the computer hasn't been used for a certain time | 03:01 |
| danimo | Riddell: a user really won't care | 03:01 |
| _StefanS_ | danimo: that was a discussion somewhere, wasn't it ? | 03:01 |
| RadiantFire | I feel like chiming in with my 2c, several people I know find the picture in the current logout dialog to be most entertaining, and enjoy seeing it | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: to me the "end session for joe" should be the window title | 03:02 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: Yes, that was the plan also. | 03:02 |
| danimo | _StefanS_: yeah, search on joelonsoftware.com | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: nothing, it just works the way it worked before, as nothing changes the networkstatus | 03:02 |
| _StefanS_ | danimo: think it was a good idea just to have sleep, that why I remembered it :) | 03:02 |
| danimo | _StefanS_: they were discussing the vista logout dialoge, since microsoft basically fucked up about it | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: let me test to confirm | 03:02 |
| _StefanS_ | danimo: ah yes | 03:02 |
| danimo | _StefanS_: point it: it requires more work from the kernel devs | 03:03 |
| danimo | which just don't seem to care about desktop usage | 03:03 |
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| _StefanS_ | danimo: yea.. the suspend/hibernate thing is far from good shape in the current kernels | 03:03 |
| _StefanS_ | danimo: can't think it would be so hard to make work properly. | 03:03 |
| danimo | a blacklist for suspend to ram would be enough already | 03:03 |
| danimo | _StefanS_: same here | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: confirmed, it just works the way it did before, error message on connection while offline without knetworkmanager | 03:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's nice ;) | 03:04 |
| danimo | but then again: I'm not a kernel hacker | 03:04 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: just kopete seems to need something and that's okay | 03:04 |
| _StefanS_ | danimo: me neither ;) | 03:04 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: got an idea of what icons that I should use for that dialog ? | 03:04 |
| danimo | _StefanS_: suspend2 is supposed to be a lot better, but ubuntu still doesn't have it | 03:04 |
| _StefanS_ | danimo: yep lets see about that.. suspend works only for me 1/3 of the times | 03:05 |
| danimo | I'm fairly bitter on that topic | 03:05 |
| danimo | _StefanS_: same here, and suspend to ram doesn't work at all | 03:05 |
| danimo | _StefanS_: seems to be a lot better on suse though | 03:05 |
| _StefanS_ | danimo: but then again, hibernate and suspend is problematic on windows too in some configurations | 03:05 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I agree concerning suspend2, that's way better | 03:05 |
| _StefanS_ | danimo: suse has hacked the kernels black and blue, like redhat did some years ago | 03:06 |
| _StefanS_ | danimo: cant stand suse | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I think suse uses kpowermanager right ? | 03:06 |
| _StefanS_ | it does. | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | so it is better, on certain config | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | and worse on some others.... | 03:06 |
| _StefanS_ | I agree on the interface being too complex though | 03:06 |
| Tonio_ | there is no perfect solution on that point | 03:06 |
| _StefanS_ | nope probably not | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | it depends on the system you use | 03:07 |
| _StefanS_ | anyways, should I continue on that logout dialog ? | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | sometimes powermanager deals better, sometimes acpi-support is nicer | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yes, please | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: how about the text in the window title ? | 03:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: will change that | 03:07 |
| Tonio_ | thanks ;) | 03:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: what you see here is just my test-pet-project | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | hehe :) | 03:08 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: have to insert into the actual ksmserver ;) | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | is there a suse devel chan somewhere ? | 03:08 |
| danimo | Tonio_: what does powermanager do? | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | I'll like to ask for kopete + networkstatus | 03:08 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: powersave, sorry | 03:08 |
| danimo | Tonio_: I think thoenig also works on the powerstuff at suse | 03:08 |
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| Tonio_ | danimo: yes he does | 03:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: Which icons should I use, do you have any pointers there ? | 03:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: Maybe I can find some crystal stuff | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: nope, but for icons, you can ping kwwii | 03:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: goody | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: he is the canonical artwork master | 03:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: magician | 03:09 |
| Tonio_ | and also a wonderfull guy (even if american ^^) | 03:10 |
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| Tonio_ | kwwii: forget this please ! :-) | 03:10 |
| mhb | Tonio_: americans are more popular around here (Czech Rep.) than french, by the way :o) | 03:12 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: yes ;) that's just a private joke between kwwii and I :) | 03:12 |
| _StefanS_ | well I'm off again | 03:12 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: french don't have ANY problems with american PEOPLE | 03:12 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I left some information for kwwii, so maybe he will get back eventually | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | we have issues with the government :) | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | that's not the same at all | 03:13 |
| _StefanS_ | cu guys | 03:13 |
| kwwii | Tonio_: lol | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | too many people beleive french are purelly anti-american, which is absolutly false | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: all americans I've seen in my life were wonderfull persons :) | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: ah you just missed stefanS | 03:13 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: can you look at his work, that sounds nice except he uses gnome icons | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: shouldn't be hard to kdeize them right ? :) | 03:14 |
| mhb | Tonio_: I don't have anything against french people either | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: well our politics are assholes too :) | 03:14 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: you should, lots of french are really bastards (and that's not a joke) | 03:15 |
| kwwii | Tonio_: yeah, he gave me a screenshot and asked for icons | 03:15 |
| kwwii | I'll see what I can do | 03:15 |
| Riddell | kwwii: he doesn't need icons | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: you rock | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: bah that's what he asked no ? | 03:15 |
| mhb | Tonio_: czechs are worse ... when I visited Paris the czech agency promised a three star hotel but put us in a place where even the bed and sheets were dirty | 03:15 |
| Riddell | if/when he actually implements it, it'll be a patch to ksmserver and the icons will all be there | 03:15 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ah cool :) | 03:16 |
| mhb | Tonio_: sorry about the off-topic stuff :o) I'll get right back to work :o) | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: hehe :) | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll finish the kopete thing today so that we'll all be able to test this we on my repo | 03:16 |
| Tonio_ | maybe it just needs rebuild.... | 03:17 |
| Riddell | herd is out, freeze is over! | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: great ;) | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: when that is done, I'll finish the new kds and then start debugging | 03:17 |
| Tonio_ | I hope to succeed in the networkstatus, that would be so cool :) | 03:18 |
| Riddell | Czessi: amarok 1.4.5 you say? | 03:23 |
| Czessi | Riddel: yes | 03:23 |
| Riddell | Czessi: imbrandon said he was working on it | 03:23 |
| Czessi | Riddel: ok | 03:23 |
| Czessi | +l ;) | 03:24 |
| Riddell | Czessi: he pinged me late last night so either he finished it or he had some problem, we'll need to wait for him to reappear to find out | 03:24 |
| Czessi | Riddell: we need a newer version of libgpod (0.4.2) for ipod support and the binary.patch must be fexed | 03:25 |
| Riddell | binary.patch? | 03:25 |
| crimsun | Czessi: / Riddell: it's blocked on the actual promotion of eyed3 to main (MIR has been approved) | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning kopete, only groupwise works with networkstatus at the moment, confirmed by a suse guy | 03:26 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: so let's consider implementation over | 03:26 |
| Czessi | Riddell: debian/patches/some-binaries-in-usr-lib.patch | 03:26 |
| Riddell | crimsun: new libgpod is? | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the only solution is to patch all the protocols to inherit properties from managedconnectionaccount | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sounds hard job :/ | 03:27 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: but it's still useful for kdepim no? | 03:28 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: patching doesn't seem that hard, maybe Lure can have a look if I give him the infos | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and yes it works perfectly with kdepim | 03:29 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: why pass it back to lure? can't you do it? | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's c++ code, and not a one line patch :) | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we maybe can do it together, but that'll be too technical for my patching abilities :) | 03:30 |
| Tonio_ | according to the suse guy, that's quite easy to do, just that he only did it work what he uses | 03:31 |
| Tonio_ | but quite easy for him means a nightmare for me :) | 03:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: passing back to Lure is also because he seems interested in that :) | 03:31 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: would you be interested helping me on that point ? | 03:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: want me to upload to ubuntu or do you prefer to test deeply ? | 03:33 |
| Riddell | oh, pass back the kopete stuff, right | 03:33 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: upload patched kdepim and network status? | 03:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, I'm done with the packaging, it works, the needed stuff is pure coding :) | 03:33 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, kdepim and knetworkmanager | 03:33 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: upload away :) | 03:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay ;) | 03:34 |
| nixternal | are we ready for the next Herd release yet? Herd 10? | 03:35 |
| nixternal | p | 03:35 |
| nixternal | ;p | 03:35 |
| Riddell | I hope not | 03:35 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 03:38 |
| nixternal | boo | 03:38 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian! hi nixternal | 03:38 |
| bddebian | Hi nixternal, Jucato :-) | 03:38 |
| nixternal | hola Jucato | 03:38 |
| nixternal | hola bddebian | 03:38 |
| Jucato | :) | 03:38 |
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| nixternal | hola senior Riddell :) | 03:38 |
| bddebian | Jucato: w00t :-) | 03:39 |
| nixternal | Jucato: each one of my packages crash | 03:39 |
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| Riddell | hi nixternal, thanks for doing the Herd 3 page | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | hola Jucato !! | 03:39 |
| === nixternal hands Tonio_ either Beano or a bar of soap | ||
| Jucato | nixternal: I think you meant seor Riddell? | 03:39 |
| bddebian | haha | 03:39 |
| nixternal | no problem Riddell, I am starting the Herd 4 page now | 03:39 |
| Tonio_ | hey nixternal :) | 03:39 |
| nixternal | hiya Tonio_ | 03:39 |
| Jucato | hi Tonio_! :) | 03:39 |
| nixternal | this is starting to look like the intro to a mob meeting | 03:39 |
| Jucato | lol | 03:40 |
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| nixternal | zoot suit! | 03:40 |
| nixternal | alrighty, Herd 4 page is ready to go | 03:41 |
| === nixternal has to take the dog out and it is freeeezing -15'C right now :( | ||
| Riddell | you're too fast for us! | 03:41 |
| === nixternal can't wait for Mexico | ||
| n8k99_ | YAY!!! | 03:42 |
| nixternal | better to get it started now and work on it the next 12 or 13 days, instead of like the Ubuntu side who does it the day before | 03:42 |
| bddebian | heh | 03:42 |
| Jucato | nixternal: wow!! it's 26C here and it's already freezing... | 03:42 |
| nixternal | wth | 03:43 |
| nixternal | 26C is like HOT | 03:43 |
| nixternal | ok, doggy is crying for me, brb :) | 03:43 |
| Jucato | in a tropical country, it's not :) | 03:43 |
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| Jucato | hi manchicken! | 03:51 |
| manchicken | Howdy. | 03:51 |
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| Tonio_ | hi manchicken | 04:11 |
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| manchicken | howdy | 04:54 |
| Jucato | hi | 04:54 |
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| manchicken | (sorry Tonio_, my response was a little slow | 04:56 |
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| nixternal | heh, I just sat down a minute ago | 04:59 |
| nixternal | I got caught up watching Oprah | 04:59 |
| Jucato | heh ok. let me not take you away from Dr. Oprah :) | 04:59 |
| nixternal | oh, she is over with now | 04:59 |
| Jucato | nixternal: I was just wondering... what about doing a sort of release notes/changelogs thing for Feisty's release? something document most of the big changes in one page? | 05:01 |
| manchicken | Oprah? | 05:02 |
| nixternal | It will be done, but I am not sure if the Doc team will be doing it or if it will be apart of the Ubiquity Slideshow Project | 05:02 |
| manchicken | *cough*WEIRD*cough* | 05:02 |
| nixternal | yes manchicken, Oprah | 05:02 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: it should be on a webpage somewhere | 05:02 |
| nixternal | I know it is, I used to not be able to stand her, but now I can't stop watching | 05:02 |
| Riddell | nixternal: probably kubuntu.org | 05:02 |
| nixternal | it must be an "age" thing | 05:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll upload kds | 05:03 |
| nixternal | Riddell: rockin', I have the kubuntu-www checkout, so when the time comes I can whip that up of course | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: what do we do with fonts as sans serif bugs ? | 05:03 |
| Tonio_ | should we switch back to dejavu sans ? | 05:03 |
| nixternal | monospace :) | 05:03 |
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| nixternal | oh lord, scary? | 05:03 |
| Jucato | hehe I forgot the link | 05:04 |
| Jucato | well not really scary :P | 05:04 |
| nixternal | whew | 05:04 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what bug is that? | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sans serif doesn't render correctly | 05:04 |
| nixternal | OK, I need to go through marshmallows at the TV, Rosie O'Pig is on | 05:04 |
| nixternal | brb | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is supposed to "clone" dejavu, but renders like arial | 05:04 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: ubuntu considers switching to dejavu, so I think we should do the same (what we did with dapper) | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: can you confirm the sans-serif issue ? | 05:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture13.png | 05:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: as you can see there is a bug, clearly.... | 05:07 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: looks fine to me | 05:08 |
| Riddell | CKJ doesn't work with dejavu properly | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that looks fine to you ? it's fuzzy, horrible ! | 05:09 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: compare to http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture14.png | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | that looks normal | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | same as edgy and dapper | 05:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: bitstream vera sans maybe ? | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: looks like a dejavu clone | 05:11 |
| Tonio_ | I wonder what ubuntu uses as the default..... | 05:11 |
| mhb | Tonio_: we already discussed the fonts at one time, didn't we? | 05:12 |
| mhb | yes, it is ugly | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: the current default sans serif ? yes | 05:12 |
| mhb | and there is a bug about it | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: that's not normal, there is a bug with sans-serif, it should look like dejavu | 05:12 |
| Tonio_ | same appearance | 05:12 |
| nixternal | I know the current fonts I see on my Feisty machine are very small and hard to read | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | honnestly wa cannot release with fuzzy and crappy fonts.... | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: what is it ? sans-serif ? | 05:13 |
| nixternal | I am booting it up now to look | 05:13 |
| mhb | Tonio_: bug 78209 | 05:13 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 78209 in fontconfig "[feisty] Bad fonts with the latest Feisty upgrade " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78209 | 05:13 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 05:14 |
| mhb | Tonio_: that is what you mean, right? | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: looks like no change for gnome, only kde | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: what does gnome use as the default ? | 05:15 |
| mhb | Tonio_: yes, but it is a fontconfig issue | 05:15 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: true, but we shoulduse the same fonts than gnome then ! | 05:15 |
| mhb | bug 81608 | 05:16 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 81608 in kubuntu-default-settings "Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81608 | 05:16 |
| Tonio_ | that's not decided | 05:16 |
| mhb | true | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | and there is a bug in kde which makes it impossible to select the "condensed" version | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: as the font name is the same, kde only shows the first | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | sounds stupid but I have to report this | 05:17 |
| Tonio_ | the point is "what does gnome use as the default ?" | 05:17 |
| mhb | Tonio_: yes, I noticed that | 05:17 |
| mhb | Tonio_: the bug number was not the answer to your question, but it somehow relevant | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: previously condensed was a different font | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | now it is a style | 05:18 |
| Tonio_ | and kde looks like bugging when parsing the styles | 05:18 |
| manchicken | nixternal: Don't worry, I'll get you help. | 05:19 |
| manchicken | nixternal: It'll be okay. | 05:19 |
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| mhb | Tonio_: by the way, can you check something for me? It's also a related thing. When you open Adept with "correct" (DejaVu) fonts, does Adept use them? | 05:19 |
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| Tonio_ | mhb: no since adept uses the root profile :) | 05:21 |
| mhb | Tonio_: oh | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | so it has to be changed as root | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: that's why I want to fix the default :) | 05:21 |
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| mhb | Tonio_: furthermore, Kopete doesn't use them (because the default is set differently perhaps) | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: yes there are several settings | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | the point is I can't get the f**king information | 05:21 |
| Tonio_ | Tonio_: #ubuntu+1 for Fiesty support | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | that's the answer I get | 05:22 |
| Tonio_ | and on ubuntu+1 I just get ignored........ | 05:22 |
| mhb | Tonio_: I would tell you only if I had ubuntu installed :o( | 05:23 |
| Tonio_ | everytime I have to ask something on #ubuntu or #kubuntu, they just ignore or simply shit on me...... everytime | 05:23 |
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| Tonio_ | and those guys will complain if that's not fixed...... | 05:23 |
| mhb | Tonio_: they never help me either ... it's because you have not the most usual questions I guess | 05:24 |
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| Tonio_ | mhb: "what is your default font" shouldn't be that hard | 05:25 |
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| Tonio_ | http://thestonepedo.dyndns.org/images/Font_Feisty.png | 05:26 |
| Tonio_ | looks like we don't have this one..... | 05:27 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: do you have it on your desktop ? | 05:28 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it's our bug then, we should s/Sans Serif/Sans/ | 05:29 |
| mhb | Tonio_: nothing named "Sans" here | 05:29 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the problem is that I can't see the font... | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: do you have Sans on your computer ? | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | I can't seem to find it | 05:30 |
| Riddell | I don't | 05:30 |
| Riddell | how confusing | 05:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes........ | 05:31 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: maybe kde hides the font as the same bug we have with "condensed" fonts... | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | I don't exactly what happens but we really have to check this | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | sans serif -> broken | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | condensed -> invisible | 05:31 |
| Tonio_ | sans -> missing | 05:31 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's quite a lot of problems :) | 05:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I remember the problem appeared after a fontconfig update | 05:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm trying with the edgy version | 05:34 |
| kwwii | I am not running fesity, so I cannot tell if there is a problem | 05:47 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: no new kicker layout? | 05:48 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: oups I forgot :) | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: okay I'll prepare a new upload :) | 05:49 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I was focussed on networkstatus and forgot :) | 05:49 |
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| Tonio_ | kwwii: do you have the Sans font on your computer ? | 05:49 |
| kwwii | Tonio_: yes | 05:51 |
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| kwwii | but I have set all my fonts to dejavu | 05:52 |
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| Tonio_ | kwwii: Sans or Sans-Serif ? | 05:54 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: I have Sans-Serif, but not Sans on feisty | 05:54 |
| kwwii | ahhh, Sans Serif it says | 05:55 |
| kwwii | good point | 05:55 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: okay | 05:55 |
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| snikker | why if i run an fltk app with kdesu, i can't read the text, but only scrambled chars? | 05:56 |
| nixternal | sorry Tonio_, I am checking now what I have | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | tried to rebuild fontconfig, that doesn't help.... | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | no bug reports........ I can't understand | 05:56 |
| nixternal | Tonio_: Sans Serif | 05:56 |
| Tonio_ | nixternal: thanks | 05:57 |
| Tonio_ | I don't understand why sans serif is broken on feisty..... | 05:57 |
| nixternal | I remember this same issue through Dapper and Edgy development as well | 05:57 |
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| Tonio_ | I'm cleaning my profile of any .font* thing, we'll see if there is a difference | 05:58 |
| mhb | Tonio_: nope | 05:58 |
| Tonio_ | no change. | 05:59 |
| mhb | Tonio_: I installed Feisty fresh and it has the Sans Serif renderred incorrectly | 05:59 |
| mhb | Tonio_: this bug is one of the reasons why I haven't started telling all testers to migrate to Feisty | 05:59 |
| Tonio_ | ah !!!!!! | 05:59 |
| Tonio_ | I have something ! | 05:59 |
| Tonio_ | lcoate language-selector.conf -> fails | 06:00 |
| mhb | Tonio_: please do tell .o) | 06:00 |
| Tonio_ | cat /etc/fonts/conf.avail/52-languageselector.conf | 06:00 |
| Tonio_ | this file is created by the patch : 02_ubuntu_fonts_conf.patch | 06:00 |
| Tonio_ | that may explain the problem | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: do you have a file language-selector.conf on your computer ? | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: if yes can you send it to me please ? :) | 06:01 |
| Riddell | that's for changes made by language seletor | 06:01 |
| Riddell | should be fine to be missing by default | 06:01 |
| Tonio_ | ah okay..... | 06:02 |
| Tonio_ | then I'm lost.... | 06:02 |
| Tonio_ | well that a bug, no emergency, but I'd like to understand | 06:02 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: concerning the missing fonts, that's kde issue, I'll report the bug toonight | 06:02 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: missing Sans font? | 06:05 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: does gnome have a Sans Serif font? | 06:05 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it might be a qt issue | 06:05 |
| mhb | Sans is no name of a proper font, I guess | 06:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'm installing ubuntu-desktop to be sure | 06:05 |
| mhb | it's just a label | 06:05 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: but I can confirm there is a bug, especially with dejavu | 06:05 |
| Tonio_ | we are missing styles, all "condensed" ones" | 06:05 |
| mhb | I'm no font expert, but it's just an indication of the fact that the font has no serifs | 06:06 |
| Riddell | mhb: yes, it's an alias from fontconfig or something | 06:06 |
| mhb | but OTOH, I don't understand why KDE and GNOME has those aliases different | 06:06 |
| Tonio_ | well I'll install ubuntu-desktop and we('ll see ;) | 06:06 |
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| mhb | Tonio_: anything specific to check? | 06:09 |
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| kwwii | Tonio_: cannot find that file | 06:11 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: remove .gtk_qt_engine_rc .gtkrc-2.0 in your profile and open a gnome session :) | 06:12 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: then try to find out what is exactly the font used | 06:12 |
| Tonio_ | I'll do that if you cannot | 06:12 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: thanks :) | 06:12 |
| mhb | Tonio_: I'll try it | 06:12 |
| Riddell | I can't even work out what that Sans Serif font would be an alias for | 06:13 |
| mhb | got it | 06:15 |
| mhb | DejaVu Sans Book | 06:15 |
| mhb | it's totally the same | 06:15 |
| mhb | "Sans" is an alias for that | 06:16 |
| Riddell | I don't have that listed | 06:16 |
| mhb | Riddell: in Kubuntu me neither | 06:17 |
| sebas | Riddell: Who is Brian Murray? | 06:17 |
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| sebas | He's guidance-bugtriaging, and I think I've never seen the name before. | 06:17 |
| Riddell | sebas: Canonical's new bug triage dude | 06:19 |
| Riddell | mhb: where do you see it then? | 06:19 |
| sebas | Ah, that figures | 06:19 |
| Riddell | sebas: and he's a KDE user :) | 06:20 |
| mhb | Riddell: GNOME font dialogue | 06:20 |
| sebas | Riddell: Good :-) | 06:20 |
| Riddell | mhb: sounds like KDE is hiding a lot of fonts | 06:20 |
| Riddell | or qt more likely | 06:20 |
| sebas | It felt like suddenly someone comes along and picks up annoying work from me, gooood :> | 06:20 |
| Riddell | sebas: bdmurray in #ubuntu-devel if you feel the need to give him a hug | 06:21 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I assume dejavu sans book and dejavu sans are the same font | 06:22 |
| sebas | Riddell: I'll do so when I'm not about to run out, thanks for the information | 06:22 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: they look different (otherwise you wouldn't be having this problem :) | 06:23 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: well I don't have any problem with dejavu sans | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | I have an issue with sans-serif | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | which makes sense since it is not the same than Sans | 06:24 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: in fact we should change to dejavu sans to stay sync with gnome | 06:24 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: not all locales use dejavu though (CKJ) | 06:26 |
| Riddell | that's why we changed to Sans Serif | 06:26 |
| Tonio_ | hum, I understand this.... | 06:26 |
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| Riddell | when you use language selector to change to a CJK locale it changes fontconfig with the file you were talking about earlier to use something else for Sans | 06:27 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yes, well we have time to find a solution :) | 06:28 |
| Tonio_ | features is more important at the moment | 06:28 |
| toma | when was the upstream version freeze again? | 06:29 |
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| Riddell | thursday | 06:30 |
| Riddell | toma: why? | 06:31 |
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| toma | Riddell: i wanted to release mailody 0.4.0 this weekend originally, but i might want to do some more testing... | 06:33 |
| Riddell | anytime up until thursday is fine | 06:33 |
| Lure | Tonio_: sorry, was completely busy at work | 06:34 |
| Riddell | and even after that is possible, but it's more difficult | 06:34 |
| Lure | Tonio_: yes, I will work on kopete - I think we can get this in even after feature freeze | 06:34 |
| Lure | Riddell: ^^^ is this correct? | 06:34 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I need to get my act together and refactor ksmserver patch to support also keyboard shortcuts for suspend/hibernate first | 06:35 |
| Riddell | Lure: it would need approval from the release dude | 06:35 |
| Riddell | but I imagine it would be fine if it's just making a patch that already exists more complete | 06:35 |
| Lure | Riddell: will do my best to get it before, but you never know (busy days, busy nights....) | 06:35 |
| Riddell | sure, don't get burned out :) | 06:36 |
| kwwii | birthday dinner, bye all | 06:42 |
| Lure | Riddell: no worry, my kids take care of that ;-) | 06:42 |
| Lure | kwwii: your birthday? | 06:42 |
| kwwii | Lure: yepp, 36 today | 06:43 |
| Riddell | happy birthday kwwii! | 06:43 |
| Lure | kwwii: congrats! and have an nice party! | 06:43 |
| kwwii | thanks, I will | 06:43 |
| Jucato | nixternal: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14577991%40N00/200083773/ | 06:44 |
| nixternal | ahh, my beach shirt! | 06:46 |
| nixternal | hehe | 06:46 |
| Jucato | that was the scary pic :P | 06:46 |
| nixternal | I was in the middle of talking | 06:48 |
| Jucato | hehe apparently :) | 06:48 |
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| bddebian | WHOA, someone almost as old as me?? Happy B-Day kwwii! | 06:52 |
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| bddebian | Dirt? :-) | 06:58 |
| bddebian | I'll be 37 in March | 06:59 |
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| bddebian | Whoa, ScottK!! | 07:05 |
| bddebian | We're old timers in this crowd :) | 07:05 |
| ScottK | Heh. | 07:05 |
| ScottK | Back when I was in college there wasn't anything like this. | 07:06 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: no issue with feature freeze, the feature is already implemented :) | 07:07 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: not kopete... | 07:10 |
| Lure | Tonio_: and konversation... | 07:10 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: we need to do MIR for networkstatus, right? | 07:30 |
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| danimo | Tonio_: why is there no network-manager-openvpn for edgy? | 08:01 |
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| Vincent_k | I have a question regarding madwifi in feisty, I removed the restricted modules and installed madwifi svn, everything seems to work except that I cant connect to my ap | 08:02 |
| manchicken | don't do that. | 08:03 |
| Riddell | Lure: not if it's part of kdepim | 08:04 |
| Lure | Riddell: but binary is in universe... | 08:06 |
| Riddell | Lure: just need to ask for a promotion then | 08:06 |
| Riddell | Lure: it's only the source package that needs main inclusion review, and kdepim is already in main | 08:06 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, great | 08:06 |
| Lure | Riddell: just open bug and subscribe archive-team? | 08:06 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I think nobody took care of the package :) | 08:07 |
| Riddell | Lure: it needs to be in anastacia first | 08:07 |
| Riddell | Lure: so something needs to depend on it | 08:07 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: I wanted to work on this but that's gnome stuff, so..... ^^ | 08:07 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: it is? | 08:07 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: yup | 08:08 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, so we need to test first, then you can add it to kubuntu-meta, right? | 08:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no kde frontend for this, you can launch it via knm, but that's gnome only stuff... | 08:08 |
| Lure | Tonio_: I have seen in svn that knm got some vpn support | 08:08 |
| danimo | Tonio_: it's backend agnostic, at least it should be | 08:08 |
| Lure | Tonio_: native, no gtk... | 08:08 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: yes, it integrated with the gnome components | 08:08 |
| danimo | Tonio_: as I said, there is a kde frontend to it now | 08:08 |
| danimo | Tonio_: the current packages just package gtk+backend together | 08:09 |
| Tonio_ | danimo: yes now but not on the current release | 08:09 |
| Riddell | Lure: sure | 08:09 |
| danimo | for no good reason | 08:09 |
| Tonio_ | danimo, Lure: with version 0.1 afair | 08:09 |
| Lure | Tonio_: maybe we should go with svn until 0.2 is released | 08:09 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: maybe, but we have lots of patches now, I hope we'll be able to port all of them | 08:10 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I can make a point with thimo | 08:10 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: I'll discuss with him next week, and give a test | 08:11 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: then maybe we hopefully can package the vpn components | 08:12 |
| Tonio_ | at the moment knm only give the possibility to launch the gnome frontends for openvpn, and that's eveil because it uses gnome keyring | 08:12 |
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| Lure | Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps is this ok for tracking flagship apps for inclusion? | 08:51 |
| Lure | Riddell: I am not sure about the page name though.... | 08:51 |
| Riddell | Lure: ah, I was just about to ask.. :) | 08:52 |
| Riddell | page name is fine | 08:52 |
| Riddell | well... it's wiki.Kubuntu.org! | 08:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: ;-) | 08:52 |
| Lure | Riddell: I am used to wiki.ubuntu.com... | 08:53 |
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| Lure | Riddell: should we add Status column (In progress, To late for feisty...) | 08:58 |
| Lure | s/To/Too/ | 08:58 |
| Riddell | Lure: go ahead | 08:59 |
| Lure | seaLne, imbrandon: if you want to add more data about amarok / k3b: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps | 09:03 |
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| _StefanS_ | hi | 09:10 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I've sent you the patch. What do you need under debian/patches ? | 09:11 |
| Riddell | the patch :) | 09:13 |
| Riddell | that looks fine, I'll test it in a bit | 09:14 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: goody | 09:14 |
| _StefanS_ | I was thinking... right now there's isn't an option for defaulting to the standard logout. Do we need that ? | 09:16 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: it would be nice | 09:16 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: you are working on logout dialog? | 09:16 |
| _StefanS_ | yep | 09:16 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: then I will wait for your patch before refactoring HAL stuff | 09:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: whats your deadline on that? | 09:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: I will be done within this weekend. Maybe tonight, if things behave. | 09:18 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: I need to finish it before Wed (feature freeze + probably going on long weekend vacation) | 09:18 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: should be done long before that. What is the HAL stuff about ? just curious | 09:19 |
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| Lure | _StefanS_: you can drop me a patch on lure @ kubuntu dot org and I can test it here | 09:19 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: alright. | 09:19 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: we have this patch for Suspend/Hibernate buttons which use HAL. Now I need to refactor it (move most of HAL specific code) out of shutdown dialog into main code in order to implement also keyboard shortcuts | 09:20 |
| Lure | KubuntuFeistyLaptop page has more info | 09:20 |
| _StefanS_ | ah ok | 09:20 |
| _StefanS_ | by the way, did you notice slow boot on feisty if you have only wireless ? | 09:22 |
| _StefanS_ | its a dhcp timeout | 09:22 |
| Riddell | Lure: I wouldn't block that on _StefanS_'s stuff, he's doing purely look and feel changes | 09:22 |
| _StefanS_ | true | 09:23 |
| Lure | Riddell: ok, so it is just dialog change? | 09:23 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: yes | 09:23 |
| _StefanS_ | just to mimic other *ubuntu's | 09:23 |
| mhb | what dialog? | 09:24 |
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| _StefanS_ | mhb: logout | 09:24 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: wow | 09:24 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: shutdown dialog if you will | 09:24 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: I really wanted to do that myself | 09:24 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: thanks | 09:24 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: :) | 09:24 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: but I wouldn't have time before feature freeze | 09:24 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: I'll make it | 09:25 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: you know, I even made a mockup before Edgy was out | 09:25 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: oh ? you would happen to have some icons for it ? | 09:25 |
| _StefanS_ | would/wouldnt | 09:25 |
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| mhb | _StefanS_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=shutdown-edgy1.png | 09:26 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: no, I used the oxygen ones before | 09:26 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: do you have a screenshot handy? | 09:27 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: ah, here's the current "test" from me http://enhance-it.dk/logout-pre.png | 09:27 |
| _StefanS_ | was just writing as you asked ;) | 09:27 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: thanks | 09:27 |
| _StefanS_ | dont mind the windowborder, its for testing only. | 09:28 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: has kwwii seen your work? | 09:28 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: I wrote him 5-6 hrs ago, but he hasn't answered | 09:28 |
| Riddell | it's his birthday | 09:28 |
| Riddell | he'll be getting drunk or something | 09:28 |
| _StefanS_ | ah :) | 09:28 |
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| mhb | Riddell: I don't think he would do that in front of the kids :o) | 09:29 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: argh I saw my patch clashes with debian/patches/kubuntu_76_ksmserver_suspend.diff, in the hal stuff | 09:30 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I'll redo it if you want | 09:30 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: I had just noticed the same thing | 09:30 |
| mhb | what I'd love is a consistent dialog for logging in / logging out / locked desktop | 09:30 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: its debuild -nc and then modify the stuff i figure (?) | 09:31 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: that is mine patch ;-) | 09:31 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: depends on what you're doing | 09:31 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: make -f debian/rules apply-patches | 09:32 |
| Riddell | will apply the existing patches | 09:32 |
| Riddell | take a copy of it | 09:32 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: it adds Suspend and Hibernate buttons | 09:32 |
| Riddell | make changes | 09:32 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: thats exactly what i was after | 09:32 |
| Riddell | diff -urN old new | 09:32 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: I noticed ;) - HAL stuff also | 09:32 |
| Lure | _StefanS_: HAL stuff will move out to one of the other classes - only button stuff will stay | 09:33 |
| _StefanS_ | Lure: oh, yea | 09:34 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: oh, the dialog lacks a visible way to close itself, by the way | 09:34 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: yea i know, i will add a cancel button in the lower right | 09:35 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: also it needs a lot of polishing | 09:37 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: colours of borders, size of the squares, etc | 09:37 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: ofcourse ;) - I will get back in here for feedback on that | 09:37 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: you don't happen to use Polyester widget style, do you? | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: QtCurve | 09:38 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: it is (most likely) going to be default in Feisty | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: polyester, isn't that the comic pastel stuff | 09:39 |
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| mhb | _StefanS_: I'm not sure how much is your work influenced by the widget style - but we must make sure it works well with it | 09:39 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: I'll install it | 09:40 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: ah I have actually hosted a mirror for mart that makes it. I used it once | 09:40 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: sometime back | 09:41 |
| _StefanS_ | think I asked him to add "doubleclick" close on the windows | 09:41 |
| _StefanS_ | like plastik | 09:41 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: where did you get this patch from again? | 09:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=20652, updated here: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22557 | 09:43 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: I think you mistake window decoration for widget style | 09:43 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: probably :) - I always have | 09:44 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: widget style - buttons & stuff | 09:44 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: window decoration - the top of the window - close, minimize etc. buttons | 09:44 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: I meant the buttons, menus, listboxes, etc. | 09:44 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: yes I know | 09:44 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: maybe I should get some sleep | 09:45 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: sure :o) | 09:49 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I might aswell implement that default/shadow fade while i'm redoing that patch | 09:53 |
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| Riddell | _StefanS_: it doesn't need to be configurable from the GUI necessarily, just a kconfig check | 09:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: okay, I'll do that. | 09:55 |
| _StefanS_ | hope I dont get confused as with the window deco and style hehe | 09:56 |
| _StefanS_ | not easy when you have a little girl waking up 2-3 times every night | 09:56 |
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| mhb | _StefanS_: will you get the feature ready for feature freeze/ herd 4 ? | 10:18 |
| _StefanS_ | yep certainly, I really want to help out on this, so I'm devoting most of my weekend to this. Just like I used some of my workday today to hack. IBM which I work for, can afford that ;) | 10:20 |
| Riddell | ssh, don't say that too loudly :) | 10:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I have flexible working hours, so its no problem | 10:25 |
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| mhb | staying in a channel like this can really pump a lot of optimism into you | 10:41 |
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| Riddell | YEAH, WE'RE FEELING PUMPED! | 10:44 |
| Tm_T | Stop pumping me, perv! | 10:45 |
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| mhb | it's good to see you have a good mood, you two :o) | 10:51 |
| manchicken | Oooh.... | 10:53 |
| manchicken | mhb: It's because they're excited the Chicago Bears are in the super bowl. | 10:53 |
| manchicken | ^_^ | 10:54 |
| manchicken | Hopefully win32 with vmware runs this xubuntu well. I can't stand living in windows anymore. | 10:54 |
| manchicken | I'm about to stab my eyes out with my mouse's USB adaptor. | 10:54 |
| === _StefanS_ has to use windows because of lotus notes and AT&T's lame dialer | ||
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: compiling kdebase now, hopefully the patch works :) | 10:58 |
| _StefanS_ | now why does konsole scroll so damn slow.. maybe because the screen gets cleared everytime stuff is written to it.. jeez | 10:59 |
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| manchicken | _StefanS_: Do you run kubuntu on vmware in windows? | 11:15 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: nope not currently | 11:15 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: I run kubuntu on kubuntu using vmware now though | 11:16 |
| _StefanS_ | and windows and stuff | 11:16 |
| manchicken | heh | 11:16 |
| manchicken | I've got kubuntu running on my personal machine... but work requires a shitty windows-only VPN. | 11:16 |
| _StefanS_ | same prob here | 11:17 |
| _StefanS_ | installed a proxy though, that will allow most stuff to work from my linux machine | 11:17 |
| manchicken | They force me to run this firewall on it that locks stuff out. | 11:17 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm i run a firewall too, but havent check why it actually works | 11:18 |
| _StefanS_ | stupid windoze | 11:18 |
| manchicken | Either way, xubuntu is installing quite nicely. | 11:19 |
| manchicken | I get to use GNU even though I'm being forced to use windows. | 11:19 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: yea I guess you use cygwin as well | 11:19 |
| _StefanS_ | manchicken: mediocre solution, but works ok in most cases | 11:20 |
| manchicken | I used cygwin. | 11:20 |
| manchicken | It just isn't getting the job done anymore. | 11:20 |
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| _StefanS_ | naw, but sometimes you really need some of the shell functionality for sorting out stuff. And over vpn i really hate moving data back and forth when sorting lists and such | 11:21 |
| _StefanS_ | depends on your needs really | 11:22 |
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| manchicken | I want multiple desktops and sloppy focus. | 11:49 |
| manchicken | xfce is ROCKING. | 11:49 |
| Tm_T | KDE <3 | 11:49 |
| Tm_T | ;) | 11:49 |
| manchicken | I'm not going to run a real DE in this vmware on the windows. | 11:49 |
| manchicken | I love my KDE, and I'm using it on my own machines. | 11:50 |
| manchicken | But for my work lappy, they force me to run windows. | 11:50 |
| manchicken | xubuntu in vmware is rocking my world for that. | 11:50 |
| Tm_T | Yu. | 11:51 |
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| _StefanS_ | mhb: I was wondering.. who's deciding that Polyester is going to be default in kubuntu ? | 12:07 |
| Riddell | kwwii | 12:07 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm.. I think you would be a lot better off using QtCurve as it integrates nicely into Gnome apps | 12:08 |
| _StefanS_ | Style is more clean IMHO | 12:08 |
| Riddell | yo abattoir, I heard you've been talking to cjwatson about getting qt 4 oem-installer into feisty? | 12:08 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I will test the shadow fade with settings in a few moments.. crossing fingers :) | 12:09 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: I don't want to disappoint you, but he knows about QtCurve and he considered that, AFAIK | 12:10 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: it's also hard to change that back since we have a MIR pending | 12:10 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: Ok, he might have his reasons - atleast he checked what was out there. | 12:11 |
| _StefanS_ | MIR? | 12:11 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: (Main Inclusion Report - we're trying to get Polyster into our main repository so that we can use it in Kubuntu as default) | 12:11 |
| _StefanS_ | ah | 12:11 |
| elcuco | QtCurve is SWEET | 12:11 |
| elcuco | however it has serious issues in RTL languages. | 12:11 |
| _StefanS_ | it is, and does wonders for unifying looks | 12:11 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm maybe | 12:11 |
| elcuco | not maybe, trust me ;-) | 12:12 |
| _StefanS_ | okay ;) | 12:12 |
| _StefanS_ | have you brought that to mart's attention ? | 12:12 |
| _StefanS_ | although I think he's doing a qt4 port actually | 12:12 |
| _StefanS_ | and busy on that | 12:13 |
| elcuco | i tried fixing it myself, but that code is ugly, there are some parts of the code shared between the gtk and qt backednds | 12:13 |
| _StefanS_ | ow.. | 12:13 |
| elcuco | so i just asked him to do this, and he fixed somethings, but other were not fixed | 12:13 |
| _StefanS_ | that might be why polyester was chosen instead | 12:14 |
| _StefanS_ | if its all that messy | 12:14 |
| elcuco | can i insall polyster on edgy? | 12:14 |
| elcuco | Get:1 http://il.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe kde-style-polyester 0.99+1.0b1-0ubuntu1 [160kB] | 12:15 |
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