Tonio_Riddell: concerning beagle, do we want to hide the desktop file or simply change the section in kmenu ?12:16
Tonio_I think we shouldn't hide it completly since other tools like kio-beagle don't allow to configure it12:16
Tonio_kerry does12:16
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RiddellTonio_: no idea, what's the issue?12:25
Tonio_Riddell: the desktop file is created in a "gnome" section :)12:26
Tonio_Riddell: I'll patch the desktop file the way we did with hplip...12:26
Tonio_Riddell: I hope portland project will let kde4 use the same sections than gnome, since this is really a pitty12:27
Tonio_no way to install a gtk admin tool that doesn't crap the kmenu....12:27
Riddellit's nothing to do with portland, it's just gnome people have to talk to kde people and vice-versa12:30
Riddellequally someone needs to look at why KOffice doesn't show up in the gnome menu12:30
Tonio_Riddell: isn't that one of portland goals ?12:30
Tonio_Riddell: concerning this, it is probably a matter of "onlyshowin" in teh desktop files12:31
Riddelloh, it's because KOffice still uses obsolete applnk menu entries12:32
RiddellI'll poke upstream to get it fixed12:32
Riddellportland goals are cross desktop interfaces for common actions, menu spec is done elsewhere12:33
Tonio_Riddell: ah okay I thought it was also part of i12:34
Tonio_Riddell: another example of the /media folder when nothing is mounted (no floppy or cdrom inserted)12:35
Tonio_Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture12.png12:35
Tonio_that's ugly and probably strange for the user12:35
Riddell?  I see nothing related there12:36
Tonio_why do I have a folder called "cdrom0"12:36
Tonio_Riddell: refresh ;)12:36
Riddellmm, yes, ugly12:36
Tonio_media:/ gives something related to what is mounted only12:37
Tonio_and icon names are wau better12:37
Tonio_Riddell: that's all the little things that are not reported on launchpad that I have to check for next meeting12:37
Tonio_Riddell: 6th build of kdepim today..... my cpu is dead ;)12:39
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Hobbseeimbrandon: done amarok yet?  :)01:32
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ScottKLure: The workaround for the LP tagging problem appears to be including which release you are interested in - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+bugs?field.tag=verification-needed03:36
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Jucatomanchicken: when/how did you receive your @kubuntu.org?!?!03:39
manchickenJucato: It's automatic.03:39
manchickenJucato: If you'll notice, I sent it to your kubuntu.org ;)03:39
Jucatolol it just came in kmail and didn't notice koolness03:39
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imbrandonhobbsee , crimsun , yea , working on it now actualy03:48
jdongwell, a first impression of campus internet from leeching off their wifi from a hotel 1.5 miles away....03:49
jdongnot all that pleasant :D03:49
jdongyay for 1Mbit!03:49
Jucatomoin imbrandon!!! long time no see :)03:49
imbrandonJucato, heya03:51
bddebianAny of you kubuntu types going to merge yakuake?04:01
imbrandonbddebian, i hadent had plans to but i can if you or no one else wants to04:12
imbrandoni need to finish amarok first though04:12
bddebianI'm looking at it, I'm just worried about missing anything important :)04:12
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bddebianJucato: ?04:16
JucatoI was planning on learning to package really quick and package kuickshow... but feature freeze is on the 15th...04:16
bddebianAhh :)04:16
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imbrandonRiddell, ping05:17
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zakamehi all07:44
zakameyo Jucato07:44
Jucatoyou weren't there when I was grilled :(07:44
zakameyeah sorry about that, haven't seen the log yet07:45
Jucatohehe :)07:45
Jucatowelcome back to the world of development :P07:45
zakameI was never away, just distracted :P07:45
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Jucatoyes you were away... "without a good internet connection" == away :D07:46
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zakameanyway, is there a current wlan app in feisty that can do run-parts on /etc/network/if-* ?07:48
zakameit appears that neither wlassistant nor kwlan does that07:49
ScottKHere's a question....  When I look at tar files in Konqueror on my Feisty laptop, the file type is in French.  Is that a Tar problem, a Konqueror problem, or a locale problem?  Any ideas?07:49
orkidgood job on feisty! it's running great here :D07:50
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rideouti just upgraded to feisty and only have one problem, dbus09:23
rideoutdbus-uuidgen has an unresolved symbol error09:23
rideoutanyone have any thoughts? should I report it, or is it just me?09:24
rideoutthe symbol is dbus_internal_do_not_use_create_uuid09:26
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Jucatomoin mhb11:30
Jucatoit's possible to install multiple versions of debootstrap on the same system right?11:31
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Jucatolike debootstrap for dapper, edgy, and feisty?11:31
Tonio_morning all :)11:33
Jucatomoin Tonio_11:33
JucatoTonio_: I need to install the debootstrap debs for dapper and feisty if I want to build pbuilders for them right?11:34
Tonio_Jucato: just install pbuilder and sudo pbuilder --create11:35
JucatoTonio_: I'm still on edgy11:35
Tonio_should be a dep of pbuilder in fact11:35
Tonio_but yeah that's required11:35
Jucatoso if I'm on edgy, and want to make a feisty pbuilder, I need to install feisty's deboostrap (.deb), together with edgy's?11:36
Tonio_Jucato: no just install pbuilder and dbootstrap and then configure pbuilder for feisty and that's it11:40
Tonio_aka s/edgy/feisty in /etc/pbuilderrc11:40
Jucatoah ok11:40
Tonio_then sudo pbuilder --create --override-config11:40
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Jucatothanks. I'll try building one right now11:41
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Tonio_Riddell: I've finished the kdepim networkstatus thing12:44
Tonio_Riddell: but we'll need to sync the changes with debian, has I have to create a new networkstatus-dev package12:44
Tonio_opensuse does it, debian ignores the header files, which are necessary to build knetworkmanager with networkstatus support12:45
RiddellTonio_: what needs changed?12:45
Tonio_a few kdepim patches needed to install the header files12:45
Tonio_then a new package and .install file to get them12:45
Tonio_and also a little change on kdepim-dev.install, another header missing12:45
Tonio_Riddell: look at that patch, it'll give you all the keys of what needs changing :12:46
Tonio_in fact the networkstatus debian packaging is incorrect, lots of files are missing12:47
Tonio_but presumably because kde has it in the source, but doesn't fully install it (experimental thing probably)12:47
Tonio_so networkstatus is there in the code, but needs patching for full install12:47
Tonio_once kdepim is okay I'll build knetworkmanager (should be easy) and hopefully all will work like in suse12:48
Riddellthat's not debian's fault, that's KDE's fault12:49
Tonio_Riddell: yup that's what I said12:51
Tonio_Riddell: that's why we have to merge both patches and packaging changes to debian once it's tested as working12:52
LureTonio_: should we name the package kde-networkstatus-dev ?12:56
Tonio_Lure: that's the way suse does12:57
Tonio_maybe we should do the same indeed12:57
Tonio_Lure: dunno if debian will accept that change :)12:57
Tonio_at the moment I only did a networkstatus-dev package12:57
LureTonio_: true, there is already networkstatus package - then better leave it as si12:58
Tonio_Lure: that's my point too01:08
Tonio_Lure: less changes, more chances to be accepted by the mother distro :)01:08
Tonio_Lure: I'll put all the package on my repo if you wanna test toonight01:09
Tonio_Lure: 6 days before feature freeze to get that in01:09
Tonio_Riddell: concerning the samba spec, I will not have tie to implement it as samba seems broken on feisty at the moment01:09
Tonio_Riddell: I'll focu on that networkstatus thing which looks more important in my opinion01:10
RiddellTonio_: yeah, didn't expect so01:10
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Tonio_too many food behind the keys :)01:11
LureTonio_: you rock!01:12
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Tonio_Lure: wait to see it working ;)01:13
Tonio_Lure: everything is theory at the moment01:13
Tonio_Lure: but documentation of patches in rpms is horrible, no way to clearly follow the changes....01:14
Riddellshould be just patch -p1 < foo.diff  in the .spec file01:18
Riddellbut maybe suse has some funky way to do this01:18
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Tonio_Riddell: suse has some normal and reverted patches too01:30
Tonio_Riddell: looks like their build system can try to patch both ways during the build :) that's nasty isn't it ? :)01:31
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Tonio_Riddell: chances to get a fixed kaffeine for feisty are very little unfortunatelly....01:38
Tonio_Riddell: I just asked upstream, we'll see when it's released, maybe with a UFV exception...01:38
RiddellTonio_: what's broken?01:40
Tonio_konqueror crash01:41
Tonio_Riddell: kaffeine team is currently fixing the issue, but looks like it'll not be released before at least 2 month01:41
Tonio_maybe we'll be able to provide a last minute inclusion01:41
Riddelloh, well kmplayer is a decent enough solution, if kaffeine doesn't get in then it can wait until the next release01:43
Tonio_Riddell: sure, but that would be better to ship with a all-in-one player only ;)01:44
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danimoTonio_: ping?01:57
Tonio_danimo: pong01:58
danimoTonio_: are the packages frozen already?01:58
danimoTonio_: I'm having an interesting conversation with the knm guys01:59
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Tonio_danimo: about ?02:01
Tonio_danimo: we can upload changes at the moment, no problem02:01
danimoTonio_: it might be possible to have the vpn plugins working with native kde dialogs02:02
danimoTonio_: and I am implementing ad-hoc networking support as we speak02:02
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danimoTonio_: I just need testers, probably by the beginning of next week02:03
Tonio_danimo: so ad-hoc doesn't work right ?02:04
danimoTonio_: the problem is two-fold02:05
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danimoTonio_: for one, knm doesn't support creating one02:05
danimoTonio_: and secondly, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384033 indicates the backend support is broken02:05
Tonio_well danimo once you have something to test, let me know and I'll put the patches in, so that we can all test this02:06
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Tonio_I'll have time to drop the patches it that causes issues02:07
danimook, cool02:07
danimoTonio_: knm has developed a lot02:07
Tonio_danimo: is there a stable release coming arround ?02:08
Jucatoum... question... what if my pbuilder create was abruptly interrupted? will it resume the next time I issue the same command? or do I restart from scratch?02:09
danimoTonio_: did you ever do anything but package from svn?02:10
Tonio_danimo: well the current version is build with the only official release02:10
Tonio_Jucato: restart with the same command02:10
danimoTonio_: oh, right. there's been a 0.102:11
Jucatook. thanks02:11
danimobut that's like... ancient02:11
Tonio_danimo: hehe02:11
Tonio_danimo: ancient but stable ;) that's the point02:11
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Tonio_danimo: it would be interesting to test a svn build02:13
danimoTonio_: but network manager has been kind of a bitch lately02:13
danimoTonio_: if you do so, add libnm-dev to the dep list02:14
Tonio_danimo: it is already a builddep02:14
danimoTonio_: and you might need to #define __u6402:14
Tonio_danimo: are you talking about builddep or dep ?02:14
danimoTonio_: sorry, not libnm02:15
danimoTonio_: libnl-102:16
Tonio_ah okay02:16
Tonio_danimo: I may give a shot but that's not an emergency for feisty as the current version is stable enough02:16
Tonio_danimo: what is the global changelog ?02:16
danimoTonio_: "svn log" :)02:17
Tonio_danimo: dude that's rude :)02:17
Tonio_danimo: I mean did you test it ?02:17
Tonio_okay let's svn log then......02:18
danimoTonio_: no, I didn't test it. I will do so over the weekend02:19
danimoTonio_: I am talking to thoenig about doing another release02:19
Tonio_yeah that would be great :)02:20
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Tonio_although it'll not be so hard to patch the code for networkstatus with a new release....02:21
danimoTonio_: I think we (kubuntu) should really get involved with this. network manager is not as good and reliable as it should be02:21
Tonio_danimo: that's what I'm just working on02:21
danimoTonio_: network status is working in feisty?02:21
Tonio_danimo: I'm doing the implementation right now02:21
danimoTonio_: suse must have networkstatus at a recent level02:21
danimoTonio_: or are you doing it differently?02:21
Tonio_danimo: I use suse work02:21
danimoTonio_: I just talked with both of the knm main devs02:22
danimoTonio_: I think it would be more helpful if we actually got those patches into svn02:22
Tonio_danimo: in fact it was in the code previously but was removed as part of suse work02:22
danimoTonio_: they aready added some suse specialities to svn, added with proper compile conditions02:22
Tonio_now networkstatus is in kde svn, yes, we should have that in the code02:22
Tonio_eventually as a configure option to activate02:23
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danimoTonio_: hmm, not sure what you are trying to say? the knm part was moved to be a patch, but the kde part is in svn now?02:23
Tonio_danimo: exactly was I was talking about hehe :)02:23
Tonio_danimo: networkstatus is now in kde source right ?02:23
danimoTonio_: the suse specialties are limited to calling modem setup routines sofar :)02:23
danimoTonio_: I think so at least02:23
Tonio_the only thing is that it requires a little patch to install headers files02:23
danimoTonio_: can you join #knetworkmanager ?02:24
Tonio_otherwise knm cannot be compiled with the networkstatus patch02:24
Tonio_danimo: sure02:24
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Tonio_Lure: it works ;)02:55
Tonio_Lure: at least for kmail/kontact02:55
Tonio_Lure: when I start it and knetworkmanager is disconnected, no error message02:55
Tonio_Lure: hehe :)02:55
Tonio_let's test with kopete02:56
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Tonio_danimo: do you know if there is something to activate for kopete to deal with networkstatus ?02:58
Tonio_a patch or configure option ?02:58
_StefanS_Tonio_: could you check this dialog, tell me what you think : http://enhance-it.dk/logout-pre.png02:58
Tonio__StefanS_: ouch, very gnomish !!!!!02:58
_StefanS_Tonio_: missing the cancel button, but that will come02:59
_StefanS_Tonio_: I know, I stole the icons from gnome ;)02:59
danimono idea02:59
Tonio_well it's not bad, but I wonder what will our kde users think about this :)02:59
Tonio_Riddell: any opinion ?02:59
danimowhat's so bad about the current logout dialog?02:59
_StefanS_danimo: its ugly and outdated for one. :)02:59
Tonio_danimo: nothing, just to try something different02:59
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danimoMe thinks the logout dialog should ideally only contain "switch user", "sleep mode" and "shutdown"03:00
Riddell_StefanS_: I like it :)03:00
Riddelldanimo: too many small buttons03:00
Tonio__StefanS_: about the hybernate stuff, is that only comming to the windows when you use a laptop ?03:00
_StefanS_Riddell: thanks :) - thats one positive vote :)03:00
Riddelldanimo: which sleep mode?  what if you want to log out?03:00
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes03:00
_StefanS_Tonio_: It will autodetect that03:01
Tonio_Riddell: networkstatus works for knetworkmanager and kdepim :)03:01
Tonio_Riddell: that rocks !!03:01
RiddellTonio_: what happens if you're not using network-manager?03:01
_StefanS_Tonio_: thanks for the fix on knetworkmanager btw !03:01
danimoRiddell: simply, suspend to ram if the bios is capable of handling it correctly, and go to hibernation if the computer hasn't been used for a certain time03:01
danimoRiddell: a user really won't care03:01
_StefanS_danimo: that was a discussion somewhere, wasn't it ?03:01
RadiantFireI feel like chiming in with my 2c, several people I know find the picture in the current logout dialog to be most entertaining, and enjoy seeing it03:01
Tonio__StefanS_: to me the "end session for  joe" should be the window title03:02
_StefanS_Tonio_: Yes, that was the plan also.03:02
danimo_StefanS_: yeah, search on joelonsoftware.com03:02
Tonio_Riddell: nothing, it just works the way it worked before, as nothing changes the networkstatus03:02
_StefanS_danimo: think it was a good idea just to have sleep, that why I remembered it :)03:02
danimo_StefanS_: they were discussing the vista logout dialoge, since microsoft basically fucked up about it03:02
Tonio_Riddell: let me test to confirm03:02
_StefanS_danimo: ah yes03:02
danimo_StefanS_: point it: it requires more work from the kernel devs03:03
danimowhich just don't seem to care about desktop usage03:03
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_StefanS_danimo: yea.. the suspend/hibernate thing is far from good shape in the current kernels03:03
_StefanS_danimo: can't think it would be so hard to make work properly.03:03
danimoa blacklist for suspend to ram would be enough already03:03
danimo_StefanS_: same here03:04
Tonio_Riddell: confirmed, it just works the way it did before, error message on connection while offline without knetworkmanager03:04
Tonio_Riddell: that's nice ;)03:04
danimobut then again: I'm not a kernel hacker03:04
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Tonio_Riddell: just kopete seems to need something and that's okay03:04
_StefanS_danimo: me neither ;)03:04
_StefanS_Tonio_: got an idea of what icons that I should use for that dialog ?03:04
danimo_StefanS_: suspend2 is supposed to be a lot better, but ubuntu still doesn't have it03:04
_StefanS_danimo: yep lets see about that.. suspend works only for me 1/3 of the times03:05
danimoI'm fairly bitter on that topic03:05
danimo_StefanS_: same here, and suspend to ram doesn't work at all03:05
danimo_StefanS_: seems to be a lot better on suse though03:05
_StefanS_danimo: but then again, hibernate and suspend is problematic on windows too in some configurations03:05
Tonio_danimo: I agree concerning suspend2, that's way better03:05
_StefanS_danimo: suse has hacked the kernels black and blue, like redhat did some years ago03:06
_StefanS_danimo: cant stand suse03:06
Tonio_danimo: I think suse uses kpowermanager right ?03:06
_StefanS_it does.03:06
Tonio_so it is better, on certain config03:06
Tonio_and worse on some others....03:06
_StefanS_I agree on the interface being too complex though03:06
Tonio_there is no perfect solution on that point03:06
_StefanS_nope probably not03:07
Tonio_it depends on the system you use03:07
_StefanS_anyways, should I continue on that logout dialog ?03:07
Tonio_sometimes powermanager deals better, sometimes acpi-support is nicer03:07
Tonio__StefanS_: yes, please03:07
Tonio__StefanS_: how about the text in the window title ?03:07
_StefanS_Tonio_: will change that03:07
Tonio_thanks ;)03:07
_StefanS_Tonio_: what you see here is just my test-pet-project03:08
Tonio_hehe :)03:08
_StefanS_Tonio_: have to insert into the actual ksmserver ;)03:08
Tonio_is there a suse devel chan somewhere ?03:08
danimoTonio_: what does powermanager do?03:08
Tonio_I'll like to ask for kopete + networkstatus03:08
Tonio_danimo: powersave, sorry03:08
danimoTonio_: I think thoenig also works on the powerstuff at suse03:08
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Tonio_danimo: yes he does03:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: Which icons should I use, do you have any pointers there ?03:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: Maybe I can find some crystal stuff03:09
Tonio__StefanS_: nope, but for icons, you can ping kwwii03:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: goody03:09
Tonio__StefanS_: he is the canonical artwork master03:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: magician03:09
Tonio_and also a wonderfull guy (even if american ^^)03:10
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Tonio_kwwii: forget this please ! :-)03:10
mhbTonio_: americans are more popular around here (Czech Rep.) than french, by the way :o)03:12
Tonio_mhb: yes ;) that's just a private joke between kwwii and I :)03:12
_StefanS_well I'm off again03:12
Tonio_mhb: french don't have ANY problems with american PEOPLE03:12
_StefanS_Tonio_: I left some information for kwwii, so maybe he will get back eventually03:13
Tonio_we have issues with the government :)03:13
Tonio_that's not the same at all03:13
_StefanS_cu guys03:13
kwwiiTonio_: lol03:13
Tonio_too many people beleive french are purelly anti-american, which is absolutly false03:13
Tonio_mhb: all americans I've seen in my life were wonderfull persons :)03:13
Tonio_kwwii: ah you just missed stefanS03:13
Tonio_kwwii: can you look at his work, that sounds nice except he uses gnome icons03:14
Tonio_kwwii: shouldn't be hard to kdeize them right ? :)03:14
mhbTonio_: I don't have anything against french people either03:14
Tonio_mhb: well our politics are assholes too :)03:14
Tonio_mhb: you should, lots of french are really bastards (and that's not a joke)03:15
kwwiiTonio_: yeah, he gave me a screenshot and asked for icons03:15
kwwiiI'll see what I can do03:15
Riddellkwwii: he doesn't need icons03:15
Tonio_kwwii: you rock03:15
Tonio_Riddell: bah that's what he asked no ?03:15
mhbTonio_: czechs are worse ... when I visited Paris the czech agency promised a three star hotel but put us in a place where even the bed and sheets were dirty03:15
Riddellif/when he actually implements it, it'll be a patch to ksmserver and the icons will all be there03:15
Tonio_Riddell: ah cool :)03:16
mhbTonio_: sorry about the off-topic stuff :o) I'll get right back to work :o)03:16
Tonio_mhb: hehe :)03:16
Tonio_Riddell: I'll finish the kopete thing today so that we'll all be able to test this we on my repo03:16
Tonio_maybe it just needs rebuild....03:17
Riddellherd is out, freeze is over!03:17
Tonio_Riddell: great ;)03:17
Tonio_Riddell: when that is done, I'll finish the new kds and then start debugging03:17
Tonio_I hope to succeed in the networkstatus, that would be so cool :)03:18
RiddellCzessi: amarok 1.4.5 you say?03:23
CzessiRiddel: yes03:23
RiddellCzessi: imbrandon said he was working on it03:23
CzessiRiddel: ok03:23
Czessi+l ;)03:24
RiddellCzessi: he pinged me late last night so either he finished it or he had some problem, we'll need to wait for him to reappear to find out03:24
CzessiRiddell: we need a newer version of libgpod (0.4.2) for ipod support and the binary.patch must be fexed03:25
crimsunCzessi: / Riddell: it's blocked on the actual promotion of eyed3 to main (MIR has been approved)03:26
Tonio_Riddell: concerning kopete, only groupwise works with networkstatus at the moment, confirmed by a suse guy03:26
Tonio_Riddell: so let's consider implementation over03:26
CzessiRiddell: debian/patches/some-binaries-in-usr-lib.patch03:26
Riddellcrimsun: new libgpod is?03:27
Tonio_Riddell: the only solution is to patch all the protocols to inherit properties from managedconnectionaccount03:27
Tonio_Riddell: sounds hard job :/03:27
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RiddellTonio_: but it's still useful for kdepim no?03:28
Tonio_Riddell: yes03:29
Tonio_Riddell: patching doesn't seem that hard, maybe Lure can have a look if I give him the infos03:29
Tonio_Riddell: and yes it works perfectly with kdepim03:29
RiddellTonio_: why pass it back to lure?  can't you do it?03:30
Tonio_Riddell: that's c++ code, and not a one line patch :)03:30
Tonio_Riddell: we maybe can do it together, but that'll be too technical for my patching abilities :)03:30
Tonio_according to the suse guy, that's quite easy to do, just that he only did it work what he uses03:31
Tonio_but quite easy for him means a nightmare for me :)03:31
Tonio_Riddell: passing back to Lure is also because he seems interested in that :)03:31
Tonio_Lure: would you be interested helping me on that point ?03:32
Tonio_Riddell: want me to upload to ubuntu or do you prefer to test deeply ?03:33
Riddelloh, pass back the kopete stuff, right03:33
RiddellTonio_: upload patched kdepim and network status?03:33
Tonio_Riddell: yes, I'm done with the packaging, it works, the needed stuff is pure coding :)03:33
Tonio_Riddell: yes, kdepim and knetworkmanager03:33
RiddellTonio_: upload away :)03:34
Tonio_Riddell: okay ;)03:34
nixternalare we ready for the next Herd release yet? Herd 10?03:35
RiddellI hope not03:35
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Jucatohi bddebian! hi nixternal03:38
bddebianHi nixternal, Jucato :-)03:38
nixternalhola Jucato03:38
nixternalhola bddebian03:38
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nixternalhola senior Riddell :)03:38
bddebianJucato: w00t :-)03:39
nixternalJucato: each one of my packages crash03:39
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Riddellhi nixternal, thanks for doing the Herd 3 page03:39
Tonio_hola Jucato !!03:39
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Jucatonixternal: I think you meant seor Riddell?03:39
nixternalno problem Riddell, I am starting the Herd 4 page now03:39
Tonio_hey nixternal :)03:39
nixternalhiya Tonio_03:39
Jucatohi Tonio_! :)03:39
nixternalthis is starting to look like the intro to a mob meeting03:39
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nixternalzoot suit!03:40
nixternalalrighty, Herd 4 page is ready to go03:41
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Riddellyou're too fast for us!03:41
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nixternalbetter to get it started now and work on it the next 12 or 13 days, instead of like the Ubuntu side who does it the day before03:42
Jucatonixternal: wow!! it's 26C here and it's already freezing...03:42
nixternal26C is like HOT03:43
nixternalok, doggy is crying for me, brb :)03:43
Jucatoin a tropical country, it's not :)03:43
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Jucatohi manchicken!03:51
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Tonio_hi manchicken04:11
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manchicken(sorry Tonio_, my response was a little slow04:56
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nixternalheh, I just sat down a minute ago04:59
nixternalI got caught up watching Oprah04:59
Jucatoheh ok. let me not take you away from Dr. Oprah :)04:59
nixternaloh, she is over with now04:59
Jucatonixternal: I was just wondering... what about doing a sort of release notes/changelogs thing for Feisty's release? something document most of the big changes in one page?05:01
nixternalIt will be done, but I am not sure if the Doc team will be doing it or if it will be apart of the Ubiquity Slideshow Project05:02
nixternalyes manchicken, Oprah05:02
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Riddellnixternal: it should be on a webpage somewhere05:02
nixternalI know it is, I used to not be able to stand her, but now I can't stop watching05:02
Riddellnixternal: probably kubuntu.org05:02
nixternalit must be an "age" thing05:02
Tonio_Riddell: I'll upload kds05:03
nixternalRiddell: rockin', I have the kubuntu-www checkout, so when the time comes I can whip that up of course05:03
Tonio_Riddell: what do we do with fonts as sans serif bugs ?05:03
Tonio_should we switch back to dejavu sans ?05:03
nixternalmonospace :)05:03
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nixternaloh lord, scary?05:03
Jucatohehe I forgot the link05:04
Jucatowell not really scary :P05:04
RiddellTonio_: what bug is that?05:04
Tonio_Riddell: sans serif doesn't render correctly05:04
nixternalOK, I need to go through marshmallows at the TV, Rosie O'Pig is on05:04
Tonio_Riddell: it is supposed to "clone" dejavu, but renders like arial05:04
Tonio_Riddell: ubuntu considers switching to dejavu, so I think we should do the same (what we did with dapper)05:05
Tonio_kwwii: can you confirm the sans-serif issue ?05:05
Tonio_Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture13.png05:07
Tonio_Riddell: as you can see there is a bug, clearly....05:07
RiddellTonio_: looks fine to me05:08
RiddellCKJ doesn't work with dejavu properly05:09
Tonio_Riddell: that looks fine to you ? it's fuzzy, horrible !05:09
Tonio_Riddell: compare to  http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture14.png05:10
Tonio_that looks normal05:10
Tonio_same as edgy and dapper05:10
Tonio_Riddell: bitstream vera sans maybe ?05:11
Tonio_Riddell: looks like a dejavu clone05:11
Tonio_I wonder what ubuntu uses as the default.....05:11
mhbTonio_: we already discussed the fonts at one time, didn't we?05:12
mhbyes, it is ugly05:12
Tonio_mhb: the current default sans serif ? yes05:12
mhband there is a bug about it05:12
Tonio_mhb: that's not normal, there is a bug with sans-serif, it should look like dejavu05:12
Tonio_same appearance05:12
nixternalI know the current fonts I see on my Feisty machine are very small and hard to read05:13
Tonio_honnestly wa cannot release with fuzzy and crappy fonts....05:13
Tonio_nixternal: what is it ? sans-serif ?05:13
nixternalI am booting it up now to look05:13
mhbTonio_: bug 7820905:13
UbugtuMalone bug 78209 in fontconfig "[feisty]  Bad fonts with the latest Feisty upgrade " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7820905:13
mhbTonio_: that is what you mean, right?05:15
Tonio_mhb: looks like no change for gnome, only kde05:15
Tonio_mhb: what does gnome use as the default ?05:15
mhbTonio_: yes, but it is a fontconfig issue05:15
Tonio_mhb: true, but we shoulduse the same fonts than gnome then !05:15
mhbbug 8160805:16
UbugtuMalone bug 81608 in kubuntu-default-settings "Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8160805:16
Tonio_that's not decided05:16
Tonio_and there is a bug in kde which makes it impossible to select the "condensed" version05:17
Tonio_mhb: as the font name is the same, kde only shows the first05:17
Tonio_sounds stupid but I have to report this05:17
Tonio_the point is "what does gnome use as the default ?"05:17
mhbTonio_: yes, I noticed that05:17
mhbTonio_: the bug number was not the answer to your question, but it somehow relevant05:18
Tonio_mhb: previously condensed was a different font05:18
Tonio_now it is a style05:18
Tonio_and kde looks like bugging when parsing the styles05:18
manchickennixternal: Don't worry, I'll get you help.05:19
manchickennixternal: It'll be okay.05:19
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mhbTonio_: by the way, can you check something for me? It's also a related thing. When you open Adept with "correct" (DejaVu) fonts, does Adept use them?05:19
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Tonio_mhb: no since adept uses the root profile :)05:21
mhbTonio_: oh05:21
Tonio_so it has to be changed as root05:21
Tonio_mhb: that's why I want to fix the default :)05:21
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mhbTonio_: furthermore, Kopete doesn't use them (because the default is set differently perhaps)05:21
Tonio_mhb: yes there are several settings05:21
Tonio_the point is I can't get the f**king information05:21
Tonio_Tonio_: #ubuntu+1 for Fiesty support05:22
Tonio_that's the answer I get05:22
Tonio_and on ubuntu+1 I just get ignored........05:22
mhbTonio_: I would tell you only if I had ubuntu installed :o(05:23
Tonio_everytime I have to ask something on #ubuntu or #kubuntu, they just ignore or simply shit on me...... everytime05:23
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Tonio_and those guys will complain if that's not fixed......05:23
mhbTonio_: they never help me either ... it's because you have not the most usual questions I guess05:24
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Tonio_mhb: "what is your default font" shouldn't be that hard05:25
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Tonio_looks like we don't have this one.....05:27
Tonio_mhb: do you have it on your desktop ?05:28
RiddellTonio_: it's our bug then, we should s/Sans Serif/Sans/05:29
mhbTonio_: nothing named "Sans" here05:29
Tonio_Riddell: the problem is that I can't see the font...05:30
Tonio_Riddell: do you have Sans on your computer ?05:30
Tonio_I can't seem to find it05:30
RiddellI don't05:30
Riddellhow confusing05:30
Tonio_Riddell: yes........05:31
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Tonio_Riddell: maybe kde hides the font as the same bug we have with "condensed" fonts...05:31
Tonio_I don't exactly what happens but we really have to check this05:31
Tonio_sans serif -> broken05:31
Tonio_condensed -> invisible05:31
Tonio_sans -> missing05:31
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Tonio_Riddell: that's quite a lot of problems :)05:32
Tonio_Riddell: I remember the problem appeared after a fontconfig update05:34
Tonio_Riddell: I'm trying with the edgy version05:34
kwwiiI am not running fesity, so I cannot tell if there is a problem05:47
RiddellTonio_: no new kicker layout?05:48
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Tonio_Riddell: oups I forgot :)05:49
Tonio_Riddell: okay I'll prepare a new upload :)05:49
Tonio_Riddell: I was focussed on networkstatus and forgot :)05:49
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Tonio_kwwii: do you have the Sans font on your computer ?05:49
kwwiiTonio_: yes05:51
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kwwiibut I have set all my fonts to dejavu05:52
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Tonio_kwwii: Sans or Sans-Serif ?05:54
Tonio_kwwii: I have Sans-Serif, but not Sans on feisty05:54
kwwiiahhh, Sans Serif it says05:55
kwwiigood point05:55
Tonio_kwwii: okay05:55
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snikkerwhy if i run an fltk app with kdesu, i can't read the text, but only scrambled chars?05:56
nixternalsorry Tonio_, I am checking now what I have05:56
Tonio_tried to rebuild fontconfig, that doesn't help....05:56
Tonio_no bug reports........ I can't understand05:56
nixternalTonio_: Sans Serif05:56
Tonio_nixternal: thanks05:57
Tonio_I don't understand why sans serif is broken on feisty.....05:57
nixternalI remember this same issue through Dapper and Edgy development as well05:57
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Tonio_I'm cleaning my profile of any .font* thing, we'll see if there is a difference05:58
mhbTonio_: nope05:58
Tonio_no change.05:59
mhbTonio_: I installed Feisty fresh and it has the Sans Serif renderred incorrectly05:59
mhbTonio_: this bug is one of the reasons why I haven't started telling all testers to migrate to Feisty05:59
Tonio_ah !!!!!!05:59
Tonio_I have something !05:59
Tonio_lcoate language-selector.conf -> fails06:00
mhbTonio_: please do tell .o)06:00
Tonio_cat /etc/fonts/conf.avail/52-languageselector.conf06:00
Tonio_this file is created by  the patch : 02_ubuntu_fonts_conf.patch06:00
Tonio_that may explain the problem06:01
Tonio_kwwii: do you have a file language-selector.conf on your computer ?06:01
Tonio_kwwii: if yes can you send it to me please ? :)06:01
Riddellthat's for changes made by language seletor06:01
Riddellshould be fine to be missing by default06:01
Tonio_ah okay.....06:02
Tonio_then I'm lost....06:02
Tonio_well that a bug, no emergency, but I'd like to understand06:02
Tonio_Riddell: concerning the missing fonts, that's kde issue, I'll report the bug toonight06:02
RiddellTonio_: missing Sans font?06:05
RiddellTonio_: does gnome have a Sans Serif font?06:05
RiddellTonio_: it might be a qt issue06:05
mhbSans is no name of a proper font, I guess06:05
Tonio_Riddell: I'm installing ubuntu-desktop to be sure06:05
mhbit's just a label06:05
Tonio_Riddell: but I can confirm there is a bug, especially with dejavu06:05
Tonio_we are missing styles, all "condensed" ones"06:05
mhbI'm no font expert, but it's just an indication of the fact that the font has no serifs06:06
Riddellmhb: yes, it's an alias from fontconfig or something06:06
mhbbut OTOH, I don't understand why KDE and GNOME has those aliases different06:06
Tonio_well I'll install ubuntu-desktop and we('ll see ;)06:06
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mhbTonio_: anything specific to check?06:09
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kwwiiTonio_: cannot find that file06:11
Tonio_mhb: remove .gtk_qt_engine_rc  .gtkrc-2.0 in your profile and open a gnome session :)06:12
Tonio_mhb: then try to find out what is exactly the font used06:12
Tonio_I'll do that if you cannot06:12
Tonio_kwwii: thanks :)06:12
mhbTonio_: I'll try it06:12
RiddellI can't even work out what that Sans Serif font would be an alias for06:13
mhbgot it06:15
mhbDejaVu Sans Book06:15
mhbit's totally the same06:15
mhb"Sans" is an alias for that06:16
RiddellI don't have that listed06:16
mhbRiddell: in Kubuntu me neither06:17
sebasRiddell: Who is Brian Murray?06:17
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sebasHe's guidance-bugtriaging, and I think I've never seen the name before.06:17
Riddellsebas: Canonical's new bug triage dude06:19
Riddellmhb: where do you see it then?06:19
sebasAh, that figures06:19
Riddellsebas: and he's a KDE user :)06:20
mhbRiddell: GNOME font dialogue06:20
sebasRiddell: Good :-)06:20
Riddellmhb: sounds like KDE is hiding a lot of fonts06:20
Riddellor qt more likely06:20
sebasIt felt like suddenly someone comes along and picks up annoying work from me, gooood :>06:20
Riddellsebas: bdmurray in #ubuntu-devel if you feel the need to give him a hug06:21
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Tonio_Riddell: I assume dejavu sans book and dejavu sans are the same font06:22
sebasRiddell: I'll do so when I'm not about to run out, thanks for the information06:22
RiddellTonio_: they look different (otherwise you wouldn't be having this problem :)06:23
Tonio_Riddell: well I don't have any problem with dejavu sans06:24
Tonio_I have an issue with sans-serif06:24
Tonio_which makes sense since it is not the same than Sans06:24
Tonio_Riddell: in fact we should change to dejavu sans to stay sync with gnome06:24
RiddellTonio_: not all locales use dejavu though (CKJ)06:26
Riddellthat's why we changed to Sans Serif06:26
Tonio_hum, I understand this....06:26
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Riddellwhen you use language selector to change to a CJK locale it changes fontconfig with the file you were talking about earlier to use something else for Sans06:27
Tonio_Riddell: yes, well we have time to find a solution :)06:28
Tonio_features is more important at the moment06:28
tomawhen was the upstream version freeze again?06:29
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Riddelltoma: why?06:31
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tomaRiddell: i wanted to release mailody 0.4.0 this weekend originally, but i might want to do some more testing...06:33
Riddellanytime up until thursday is fine06:33
LureTonio_: sorry, was completely busy at work06:34
Riddelland even after that is possible, but it's more difficult06:34
LureTonio_: yes, I will work on kopete - I think we can get this in even after feature freeze06:34
LureRiddell: ^^^ is this correct?06:34
LureTonio_: I need to get my act together and refactor ksmserver patch to support also keyboard shortcuts for suspend/hibernate first06:35
RiddellLure: it would need approval from the release dude06:35
Riddellbut I imagine it would be fine if it's just making a patch that already exists more complete06:35
LureRiddell: will do my best to get it before, but you never know (busy days, busy nights....)06:35
Riddellsure, don't get burned out :)06:36
kwwiibirthday dinner, bye all06:42
LureRiddell: no worry, my kids take care of that ;-)06:42
Lurekwwii: your birthday?06:42
kwwiiLure: yepp, 36 today06:43
Riddellhappy birthday kwwii!06:43
Lurekwwii: congrats! and have an nice party!06:43
kwwiithanks, I will06:43
Jucatonixternal: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14577991%40N00/200083773/06:44
nixternalahh, my beach shirt!06:46
Jucatothat was the scary pic :P06:46
nixternalI was in the middle of talking06:48
Jucatohehe apparently :)06:48
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bddebianWHOA, someone almost as old as me??  Happy B-Day kwwii!06:52
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bddebianDirt? :-)06:58
bddebianI'll be 37 in March06:59
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bddebianWhoa, ScottK!!07:05
bddebianWe're old timers in this crowd :)07:05
ScottKBack when I was in college there wasn't anything like this.07:06
Tonio_Lure: no issue with feature freeze, the feature is already implemented :)07:07
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LureTonio_: not kopete...07:10
LureTonio_: and konversation...07:10
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LureTonio_: we need to do MIR for networkstatus, right?07:30
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danimoTonio_: why is there no network-manager-openvpn for edgy?08:01
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Vincent_kI have a question regarding madwifi in feisty, I removed the restricted modules and installed madwifi svn, everything seems to work except that I cant connect to my ap08:02
manchickendon't do that.08:03
RiddellLure: not if it's part of kdepim08:04
LureRiddell: but binary is in universe...08:06
RiddellLure: just need to ask for a promotion then08:06
RiddellLure: it's only the source package that needs main inclusion review, and kdepim is already in main08:06
LureRiddell: ok, great08:06
LureRiddell: just open bug and subscribe archive-team?08:06
Tonio_danimo: I think nobody took care of the package :)08:07
RiddellLure: it needs to be in anastacia first08:07
RiddellLure: so something needs to depend on it08:07
Tonio_danimo: I wanted to work on this but that's gnome stuff, so..... ^^08:07
RiddellTonio_: it is?08:07
Tonio_Riddell: yup08:08
LureRiddell: ok, so we need to test first, then you can add it to kubuntu-meta, right?08:08
Tonio_Riddell: no kde frontend for this, you can launch it via knm, but that's gnome only stuff...08:08
LureTonio_: I have seen in svn that knm got some vpn support08:08
danimoTonio_: it's backend agnostic, at least it should be08:08
LureTonio_: native, no gtk...08:08
Tonio_Lure: yes, it integrated with the gnome components08:08
danimoTonio_: as I said, there is a kde frontend to it now08:08
danimoTonio_: the current packages just package gtk+backend together08:09
Tonio_danimo: yes now but not on the current release08:09
RiddellLure: sure08:09
danimofor no good reason08:09
Tonio_danimo, Lure: with version 0.1 afair08:09
LureTonio_: maybe we should go with svn until 0.2 is released08:09
Tonio_Lure: maybe, but we have lots of patches now, I hope we'll be able to port all of them08:10
Tonio_Lure: I can make a point with thimo08:10
Tonio_Lure: I'll discuss with him next week, and give a test08:11
Tonio_Lure: then maybe we hopefully can package the vpn components08:12
Tonio_at the moment knm only give the possibility to launch the gnome frontends for openvpn, and that's eveil because it uses gnome keyring08:12
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LureRiddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps is this ok for tracking flagship apps for inclusion?08:51
LureRiddell: I am not sure about the page name though....08:51
RiddellLure: ah, I was just about to ask.. :)08:52
Riddellpage name is fine08:52
Riddellwell...  it's wiki.Kubuntu.org!08:52
LureRiddell: ;-)08:52
LureRiddell: I am used to wiki.ubuntu.com...08:53
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LureRiddell: should we add Status column (In progress, To late for feisty...)08:58
RiddellLure: go ahead08:59
LureseaLne, imbrandon: if you want to add more data about amarok / k3b: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps09:03
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_StefanS_Riddell: I've sent you the patch. What do you need under debian/patches ?09:11
Riddellthe patch :)09:13
Riddellthat looks fine, I'll test it in a bit09:14
_StefanS_Riddell: goody09:14
_StefanS_I was thinking... right now there's isn't an option for defaulting to the standard logout. Do we need that ?09:16
Riddell_StefanS_: it would be nice09:16
Lure_StefanS_: you are working on logout dialog?09:16
Lure_StefanS_: then I will wait for your patch before refactoring HAL stuff09:17
_StefanS_Lure: whats your deadline on that?09:17
_StefanS_Lure: I will be done within this weekend. Maybe tonight, if things behave.09:18
Lure_StefanS_: I need to finish it before Wed (feature freeze + probably going on long weekend vacation)09:18
_StefanS_Lure: should be done long before that. What is the HAL stuff about ? just curious09:19
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Lure_StefanS_: you can drop me a patch on lure @ kubuntu dot org and I can test it here09:19
_StefanS_Lure: alright.09:19
Lure_StefanS_: we have this patch for Suspend/Hibernate buttons which use HAL. Now I need to refactor it (move most of HAL specific code) out of shutdown dialog into main code in order to implement also keyboard shortcuts09:20
LureKubuntuFeistyLaptop page has more info09:20
_StefanS_ah ok09:20
_StefanS_by the way, did you notice slow boot on feisty if you have only wireless ?09:22
_StefanS_its a dhcp timeout09:22
RiddellLure: I wouldn't block that on _StefanS_'s stuff, he's doing purely look and feel changes09:22
LureRiddell: ok, so it is just dialog change?09:23
_StefanS_Lure: yes09:23
_StefanS_just to mimic other *ubuntu's09:23
mhbwhat dialog?09:24
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_StefanS_mhb: logout09:24
mhb_StefanS_: wow09:24
_StefanS_mhb: shutdown dialog if you will09:24
mhb_StefanS_: I really wanted to do that myself09:24
mhb_StefanS_: thanks09:24
_StefanS_mhb: :)09:24
mhb_StefanS_: but I wouldn't have time before feature freeze09:24
_StefanS_mhb: I'll make it09:25
mhb_StefanS_: you know, I even made a mockup before Edgy was out09:25
_StefanS_mhb: oh ? you would happen to have some icons for it ?09:25
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mhb_StefanS_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=shutdown-edgy1.png09:26
mhb_StefanS_: no, I used the oxygen ones before09:26
mhb_StefanS_: do you have a screenshot handy?09:27
_StefanS_mhb: ah, here's the current "test" from me http://enhance-it.dk/logout-pre.png09:27
_StefanS_was just writing as you asked ;)09:27
mhb_StefanS_: thanks09:27
_StefanS_dont mind the windowborder, its for testing only.09:28
mhb_StefanS_: has kwwii seen your work?09:28
_StefanS_mhb: I wrote him 5-6 hrs ago, but he hasn't answered09:28
Riddellit's his birthday09:28
Riddellhe'll be getting drunk or something09:28
_StefanS_ah :)09:28
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mhbRiddell: I don't think he would do that in front of the kids :o)09:29
_StefanS_Riddell: argh I saw my patch clashes with debian/patches/kubuntu_76_ksmserver_suspend.diff, in the hal stuff09:30
_StefanS_Riddell: I'll redo it if you want09:30
Riddell_StefanS_: I had just noticed the same thing09:30
mhbwhat I'd love is a consistent dialog for logging in / logging out / locked desktop09:30
_StefanS_Riddell: its debuild -nc and then modify the stuff i figure (?)09:31
Lure_StefanS_: that is mine patch ;-)09:31
Riddell_StefanS_: depends on what you're doing09:31
Riddell_StefanS_: make -f debian/rules apply-patches09:32
Riddellwill apply the existing patches09:32
Riddelltake a copy of it09:32
Lure_StefanS_: it adds Suspend and Hibernate buttons09:32
Riddellmake changes09:32
_StefanS_Riddell: thats exactly what i was after09:32
Riddelldiff -urN old new09:32
_StefanS_Lure: I noticed ;) - HAL stuff also09:32
Lure_StefanS_: HAL stuff will move out to one of the other classes - only button stuff will stay09:33
_StefanS_Lure: oh, yea09:34
mhb_StefanS_: oh, the dialog lacks a visible way to close itself, by the way09:34
_StefanS_mhb: yea i know, i will add a cancel button in the lower right09:35
mhb_StefanS_: also it needs a lot of polishing09:37
mhb_StefanS_: colours of borders, size of the squares, etc09:37
_StefanS_mhb: ofcourse ;) - I will get back in here for feedback on that09:37
mhb_StefanS_: you don't happen to use Polyester widget style, do you?09:38
_StefanS_mhb: QtCurve09:38
mhb_StefanS_: it is (most likely) going to be default in Feisty09:38
_StefanS_mhb: polyester, isn't that the comic pastel stuff09:39
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mhb_StefanS_: I'm not sure how much is your work influenced by the widget style - but we must make sure it works well with it09:39
_StefanS_mhb: I'll install it09:40
_StefanS_mhb: ah I have actually hosted a mirror for mart that makes it. I used it once09:40
_StefanS_mhb: sometime back09:41
_StefanS_think I asked him to add "doubleclick" close on the windows09:41
_StefanS_like plastik09:41
Riddell_StefanS_: where did you get this patch from again?09:42
_StefanS_Riddell: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=20652, updated here: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=2255709:43
mhb_StefanS_: I think you mistake window decoration for widget style09:43
_StefanS_mhb: probably :) - I always have09:44
mhb_StefanS_: widget style - buttons & stuff09:44
mhb_StefanS_: window decoration - the top of the window - close, minimize etc. buttons09:44
mhb_StefanS_: I meant the buttons, menus, listboxes, etc.09:44
_StefanS_mhb: yes I know09:44
_StefanS_mhb: maybe I should get some sleep09:45
mhb_StefanS_: sure :o)09:49
_StefanS_Riddell: I might aswell implement that default/shadow fade while i'm redoing that patch09:53
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Riddell_StefanS_: it doesn't need to be configurable from the GUI necessarily, just a kconfig check09:55
_StefanS_Riddell: okay, I'll do that.09:55
_StefanS_hope I dont get confused as with the window deco and style hehe09:56
_StefanS_not easy when you have a little girl waking up 2-3 times every night09:56
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mhb_StefanS_: will you get the feature ready for feature freeze/ herd 4 ?10:18
_StefanS_yep certainly, I really want to help out on this, so I'm devoting most of my weekend to this. Just like I used some of my workday today to hack. IBM which I work for, can afford that ;)10:20
Riddellssh, don't say that too loudly :)10:24
_StefanS_Riddell: I have flexible working hours, so its no problem10:25
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mhbstaying in a channel like this can really pump a lot of optimism into you10:41
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Tm_TStop pumping me, perv!10:45
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mhbit's good to see you have a good mood, you two :o)10:51
manchickenmhb: It's because they're excited the Chicago Bears are in the super bowl.10:53
manchickenHopefully win32 with vmware runs this xubuntu well.  I can't stand living in windows anymore.10:54
manchickenI'm about to stab my eyes out with my mouse's USB adaptor.10:54
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_StefanS_Riddell: compiling kdebase now, hopefully the patch works :)10:58
_StefanS_now why does konsole scroll so damn slow.. maybe because the screen gets cleared everytime stuff is written to it.. jeez10:59
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manchicken_StefanS_: Do you run kubuntu on vmware in windows?11:15
_StefanS_manchicken: nope not currently11:15
_StefanS_manchicken: I run kubuntu on kubuntu using vmware now though11:16
_StefanS_and windows and stuff11:16
manchickenI've got kubuntu running on my personal machine... but work requires a shitty windows-only VPN.11:16
_StefanS_same prob here11:17
_StefanS_installed a proxy though, that will allow most stuff to work from my linux machine11:17
manchickenThey force me to run this firewall on it that locks stuff out.11:17
_StefanS_hmm i run a firewall too, but havent check why it actually works11:18
_StefanS_stupid windoze11:18
manchickenEither way, xubuntu is installing quite nicely.11:19
manchickenI get to use GNU even though I'm being forced to use windows.11:19
_StefanS_manchicken: yea I guess you use cygwin as well11:19
_StefanS_manchicken: mediocre solution, but works ok in most cases11:20
manchickenI used cygwin.11:20
manchickenIt just isn't getting the job done anymore.11:20
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_StefanS_naw, but sometimes you really need some of the shell functionality for sorting out stuff. And over vpn i really hate moving data back and forth when sorting lists and such11:21
_StefanS_depends on your needs really11:22
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manchickenI want multiple desktops and sloppy focus.11:49
manchickenxfce is ROCKING.11:49
Tm_TKDE <311:49
manchickenI'm not going to run a real DE in this vmware on the windows.11:49
manchickenI love my KDE, and I'm using it on my own machines.11:50
manchickenBut for my work lappy, they force me to run windows.11:50
manchickenxubuntu in vmware is rocking my world for that.11:50
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_StefanS_mhb: I was wondering.. who's deciding that Polyester is going to be default in kubuntu ?12:07
_StefanS_hmm.. I think you would be a lot better off using QtCurve as it integrates nicely into Gnome apps12:08
_StefanS_Style is more clean IMHO12:08
Riddellyo abattoir, I heard you've been talking to cjwatson about getting qt 4 oem-installer into feisty?12:08
_StefanS_Riddell: I will test the shadow fade with settings in a few moments.. crossing fingers :)12:09
mhb_StefanS_: I don't want to disappoint you, but he knows about QtCurve and he considered that, AFAIK12:10
mhb_StefanS_: it's also hard to change that back since we have a MIR pending12:10
_StefanS_mhb: Ok, he might have his reasons - atleast he checked what was out there.12:11
mhb_StefanS_: (Main Inclusion Report - we're trying to get Polyster into our main repository so that we can use it in Kubuntu as default)12:11
elcucoQtCurve is SWEET12:11
elcucohowever it has serious issues in RTL languages.12:11
_StefanS_it is, and does wonders for unifying looks12:11
_StefanS_hmm maybe12:11
elcuconot maybe, trust me ;-)12:12
_StefanS_okay ;)12:12
_StefanS_have you brought that to mart's attention ?12:12
_StefanS_although I think he's doing a qt4 port actually12:12
_StefanS_and busy on that12:13
elcucoi tried fixing it myself, but that code is ugly, there are some parts of the code shared between the gtk and qt backednds12:13
elcucoso i just asked him to do this, and he fixed somethings, but other were not fixed12:13
_StefanS_that might be why polyester was chosen instead12:14
_StefanS_if its all that messy12:14
elcucocan i insall polyster on edgy?12:14
elcucoGet:1 http://il.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe kde-style-polyester 0.99+1.0b1-0ubuntu1 [160kB] 12:15
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