[12:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning beagle, do we want to hide the desktop file or simply change the section in kmenu ?
[12:16] <Tonio_> I think we shouldn't hide it completly since other tools like kio-beagle don't allow to configure it
[12:16] <Tonio_> kerry does
[12:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: no idea, what's the issue?
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: the desktop file is created in a "gnome" section :)
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll patch the desktop file the way we did with hplip...
[12:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I hope portland project will let kde4 use the same sections than gnome, since this is really a pitty
[12:27] <Tonio_> no way to install a gtk admin tool that doesn't crap the kmenu....
[12:30] <Riddell> it's nothing to do with portland, it's just gnome people have to talk to kde people and vice-versa
[12:30] <Riddell> equally someone needs to look at why KOffice doesn't show up in the gnome menu
[12:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that one of portland goals ?
[12:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning this, it is probably a matter of "onlyshowin" in teh desktop files
[12:32] <Riddell> oh, it's because KOffice still uses obsolete applnk menu entries
[12:32] <Riddell> I'll poke upstream to get it fixed
[12:33] <Riddell> portland goals are cross desktop interfaces for common actions, menu spec is done elsewhere
[12:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah okay I thought it was also part of i
[12:34] <Tonio_> it
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: another example of the /media folder when nothing is mounted (no floppy or cdrom inserted)
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture12.png
[12:35] <Tonio_> that's ugly and probably strange for the user
[12:36] <Riddell> ?  I see nothing related there
[12:36] <Tonio_> why do I have a folder called "cdrom0"
[12:36] <Tonio_> Riddell: refresh ;)
[12:36] <Riddell> mm, yes, ugly
[12:37] <Tonio_> media:/ gives something related to what is mounted only
[12:37] <Tonio_> and icon names are wau better
[12:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's all the little things that are not reported on launchpad that I have to check for next meeting
[12:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: 6th build of kdepim today..... my cpu is dead ;)
[01:32] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: done amarok yet?  :)
[03:36] <ScottK> Lure: The workaround for the LP tagging problem appears to be including which release you are interested in - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+bugs?field.tag=verification-needed
[03:39] <Jucato> manchicken: when/how did you receive your @kubuntu.org?!?!
[03:39] <manchicken> Jucato: It's automatic.
[03:39] <manchicken> Jucato: If you'll notice, I sent it to your kubuntu.org ;)
[03:39] <Jucato> whoa
[03:39] <Jucato> lol it just came in kmail and didn't notice koolness
[03:48] <imbrandon> hobbsee , crimsun , yea , working on it now actualy
[03:49] <jdong> well, a first impression of campus internet from leeching off their wifi from a hotel 1.5 miles away....
[03:49] <jdong> not all that pleasant :D
[03:49] <jdong> yay for 1Mbit!
[03:49] <Jucato> moin imbrandon!!! long time no see :)
[03:51] <imbrandon> Jucato, heya
[04:01] <bddebian> Any of you kubuntu types going to merge yakuake?
[04:12] <imbrandon> bddebian, i hadent had plans to but i can if you or no one else wants to
[04:12] <imbrandon> i need to finish amarok first though
[04:12] <bddebian> I'm looking at it, I'm just worried about missing anything important :)
[04:13] <imbrandon> ;)
[04:16] <bddebian> Jucato: ?
[04:16] <Jucato> I was planning on learning to package really quick and package kuickshow... but feature freeze is on the 15th...
[04:16] <bddebian> Ahh :)
[04:21] <imbrandon> lol
[05:17] <imbrandon> Riddell, ping
[07:44] <zakame> hi all
[07:44] <Jucato> zakame!!!!
[07:44] <zakame> yo Jucato
[07:44] <Jucato> you weren't there when I was grilled :(
[07:45] <zakame> yeah sorry about that, haven't seen the log yet
[07:45] <Jucato> hehe :)
[07:45] <Jucato> welcome back to the world of development :P
[07:45] <zakame> I was never away, just distracted :P
[07:46] <Jucato> yes you were away... "without a good internet connection" == away :D
[07:47] <zakame> heh
[07:48] <zakame> anyway, is there a current wlan app in feisty that can do run-parts on /etc/network/if-* ?
[07:49] <zakame> it appears that neither wlassistant nor kwlan does that
[07:49] <ScottK> Here's a question....  When I look at tar files in Konqueror on my Feisty laptop, the file type is in French.  Is that a Tar problem, a Konqueror problem, or a locale problem?  Any ideas?
[07:50] <orkid> good job on feisty! it's running great here :D
[09:23] <rideout> i just upgraded to feisty and only have one problem, dbus
[09:23] <rideout> dbus-uuidgen has an unresolved symbol error
[09:24] <rideout> anyone have any thoughts? should I report it, or is it just me?
[09:26] <rideout> the symbol is dbus_internal_do_not_use_create_uuid
[11:29] <mhb> morning
[11:30] <Jucato> moin mhb
[11:31] <Jucato> it's possible to install multiple versions of debootstrap on the same system right?
[11:31] <Jucato> like debootstrap for dapper, edgy, and feisty?
[11:33] <Tonio_> morning all :)
[11:33] <Jucato> moin Tonio_
[11:34] <Jucato> Tonio_: I need to install the debootstrap debs for dapper and feisty if I want to build pbuilders for them right?
[11:35] <Tonio_> Jucato: just install pbuilder and sudo pbuilder --create
[11:35] <Jucato> Tonio_: I'm still on edgy
[11:35] <Tonio_> should be a dep of pbuilder in fact
[11:35] <Tonio_> but yeah that's required
[11:36] <Jucato> so if I'm on edgy, and want to make a feisty pbuilder, I need to install feisty's deboostrap (.deb), together with edgy's?
[11:40] <Tonio_> Jucato: no just install pbuilder and dbootstrap and then configure pbuilder for feisty and that's it
[11:40] <Tonio_> aka s/edgy/feisty in /etc/pbuilderrc
[11:40] <Jucato> ah ok
[11:40] <Tonio_> then sudo pbuilder --create --override-config
[11:41] <Jucato> thanks. I'll try building one right now
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've finished the kdepim networkstatus thing
[12:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: but we'll need to sync the changes with debian, has I have to create a new networkstatus-dev package
[12:45] <Tonio_> opensuse does it, debian ignores the header files, which are necessary to build knetworkmanager with networkstatus support
[12:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: what needs changed?
[12:45] <Tonio_> a few kdepim patches needed to install the header files
[12:45] <Tonio_> then a new package and .install file to get them
[12:45] <Tonio_> and also a little change on kdepim-dev.install, another header missing
[12:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: look at that patch, it'll give you all the keys of what needs changing :
[12:46] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/54
[12:47] <Tonio_> in fact the networkstatus debian packaging is incorrect, lots of files are missing
[12:47] <Tonio_> but presumably because kde has it in the source, but doesn't fully install it (experimental thing probably)
[12:47] <Tonio_> so networkstatus is there in the code, but needs patching for full install
[12:48] <Tonio_> once kdepim is okay I'll build knetworkmanager (should be easy) and hopefully all will work like in suse
[12:49] <Riddell> that's not debian's fault, that's KDE's fault
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup that's what I said
[12:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why we have to merge both patches and packaging changes to debian once it's tested as working
[12:56] <Lure> Tonio_: should we name the package kde-networkstatus-dev ?
[12:57] <Tonio_> Lure: that's the way suse does
[12:57] <Tonio_> maybe we should do the same indeed
[12:57] <Tonio_> Lure: dunno if debian will accept that change :)
[12:57] <Tonio_> at the moment I only did a networkstatus-dev package
[12:58] <Lure> Tonio_: true, there is already networkstatus package - then better leave it as si
[12:58] <Lure> s/si/is/
[01:08] <Tonio_> Lure: that's my point too
[01:08] <Tonio_> Lure: less changes, more chances to be accepted by the mother distro :)
[01:09] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll put all the package on my repo if you wanna test toonight
[01:09] <Tonio_> Lure: 6 days before feature freeze to get that in
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the samba spec, I will not have tie to implement it as samba seems broken on feisty at the moment
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll focu on that networkstatus thing which looks more important in my opinion
[01:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: yeah, didn't expect so
[01:10] <Riddell> agreed
[01:11] <Tonio_> too many food behind the keys :)
[01:12] <Lure> Tonio_: you rock!
[01:13] <Tonio_> Lure: wait to see it working ;)
[01:13] <Tonio_> Lure: everything is theory at the moment
[01:14] <Tonio_> Lure: but documentation of patches in rpms is horrible, no way to clearly follow the changes....
[01:18] <Riddell> should be just patch -p1 < foo.diff  in the .spec file
[01:18] <Riddell> but maybe suse has some funky way to do this
[01:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: suse has some normal and reverted patches too
[01:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like their build system can try to patch both ways during the build :) that's nasty isn't it ? :)
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: chances to get a fixed kaffeine for feisty are very little unfortunatelly....
[01:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just asked upstream, we'll see when it's released, maybe with a UFV exception...
[01:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: what's broken?
[01:41] <Tonio_> konqueror crash
[01:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: kaffeine team is currently fixing the issue, but looks like it'll not be released before at least 2 month
[01:41] <Tonio_> maybe we'll be able to provide a last minute inclusion
[01:43] <Riddell> oh, well kmplayer is a decent enough solution, if kaffeine doesn't get in then it can wait until the next release
[01:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure, but that would be better to ship with a all-in-one player only ;)
[01:45] <Riddell> yes
[01:57] <danimo> Tonio_: ping?
[01:58] <Tonio_> danimo: pong
[01:58] <danimo> Tonio_: are the packages frozen already?
[01:59] <danimo> Tonio_: I'm having an interesting conversation with the knm guys
[02:01] <Tonio_> danimo: about ?
[02:01] <Tonio_> danimo: we can upload changes at the moment, no problem
[02:02] <danimo> Tonio_: it might be possible to have the vpn plugins working with native kde dialogs
[02:02] <danimo> Tonio_: and I am implementing ad-hoc networking support as we speak
[02:03] <danimo> Tonio_: I just need testers, probably by the beginning of next week
[02:04] <Tonio_> great
[02:04] <Tonio_> danimo: so ad-hoc doesn't work right ?
[02:05] <danimo> Tonio_: the problem is two-fold
[02:05] <danimo> Tonio_: for one, knm doesn't support creating one
[02:05] <danimo> Tonio_: and secondly, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384033 indicates the backend support is broken
[02:06] <Tonio_> okay
[02:06] <Tonio_> well danimo once you have something to test, let me know and I'll put the patches in, so that we can all test this
[02:07] <Tonio_> I'll have time to drop the patches it that causes issues
[02:07] <danimo> ok, cool
[02:07] <danimo> Tonio_: knm has developed a lot
[02:08] <Tonio_> danimo: is there a stable release coming arround ?
[02:09] <Jucato> um... question... what if my pbuilder create was abruptly interrupted? will it resume the next time I issue the same command? or do I restart from scratch?
[02:10] <danimo> Tonio_: did you ever do anything but package from svn?
[02:10] <Tonio_> danimo: well the current version is build with the only official release
[02:10] <Tonio_> Jucato: restart with the same command
[02:11] <danimo> Tonio_: oh, right. there's been a 0.1
[02:11] <Jucato> ok. thanks
[02:11] <danimo> but that's like... ancient
[02:11] <Tonio_> danimo: hehe
[02:11] <Tonio_> danimo: ancient but stable ;) that's the point
[02:13] <Tonio_> danimo: it would be interesting to test a svn build
[02:13] <danimo> Tonio_: but network manager has been kind of a bitch lately
[02:14] <danimo> Tonio_: if you do so, add libnm-dev to the dep list
[02:14] <Tonio_> danimo: it is already a builddep
[02:14] <danimo> Tonio_: and you might need to #define __u64
[02:14] <Tonio_> danimo: are you talking about builddep or dep ?
[02:15] <danimo> Tonio_: sorry, not libnm
[02:16] <danimo> Tonio_: libnl-1
[02:16] <Tonio_> ah okay
[02:16] <Tonio_> danimo: I may give a shot but that's not an emergency for feisty as the current version is stable enough
[02:16] <Tonio_> danimo: what is the global changelog ?
[02:17] <danimo> Tonio_: "svn log" :)
[02:17] <Tonio_> danimo: dude that's rude :)
[02:17] <Tonio_> danimo: I mean did you test it ?
[02:18] <Tonio_> okay let's svn log then......
[02:18] <Tonio_> :'(
[02:19] <danimo> Tonio_: no, I didn't test it. I will do so over the weekend
[02:19] <danimo> Tonio_: I am talking to thoenig about doing another release
[02:20] <Tonio_> yeah that would be great :)
[02:21] <Tonio_> although it'll not be so hard to patch the code for networkstatus with a new release....
[02:21] <danimo> Tonio_: I think we (kubuntu) should really get involved with this. network manager is not as good and reliable as it should be
[02:21] <Tonio_> danimo: that's what I'm just working on
[02:21] <danimo> Tonio_: network status is working in feisty?
[02:21] <Tonio_> danimo: I'm doing the implementation right now
[02:21] <danimo> Tonio_: suse must have networkstatus at a recent level
[02:21] <danimo> Tonio_: or are you doing it differently?
[02:21] <Tonio_> danimo: I use suse work
[02:22] <danimo> Tonio_: I just talked with both of the knm main devs
[02:22] <danimo> Tonio_: I think it would be more helpful if we actually got those patches into svn
[02:22] <Tonio_> danimo: in fact it was in the code previously but was removed as part of suse work
[02:22] <danimo> Tonio_: they aready added some suse specialities to svn, added with proper compile conditions
[02:22] <Tonio_> now networkstatus is in kde svn, yes, we should have that in the code
[02:23] <Tonio_> eventually as a configure option to activate
[02:23] <danimo> Tonio_: hmm, not sure what you are trying to say? the knm part was moved to be a patch, but the kde part is in svn now?
[02:23] <Tonio_> danimo: exactly was I was talking about hehe :)
[02:23] <Tonio_> danimo: networkstatus is now in kde source right ?
[02:23] <danimo> Tonio_: the suse specialties are limited to calling modem setup routines sofar :)
[02:23] <danimo> Tonio_: I think so at least
[02:23] <Tonio_> the only thing is that it requires a little patch to install headers files
[02:24] <danimo> Tonio_: can you join #knetworkmanager ?
[02:24] <Tonio_> otherwise knm cannot be compiled with the networkstatus patch
[02:24] <Tonio_> danimo: sure
[02:55] <Tonio_> Lure: it works ;)
[02:55] <Tonio_> Lure: at least for kmail/kontact
[02:55] <Tonio_> Lure: when I start it and knetworkmanager is disconnected, no error message
[02:55] <Tonio_> Lure: hehe :)
[02:56] <Tonio_> let's test with kopete
[02:58] <Tonio_> danimo: do you know if there is something to activate for kopete to deal with networkstatus ?
[02:58] <Tonio_> a patch or configure option ?
[02:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: could you check this dialog, tell me what you think : http://enhance-it.dk/logout-pre.png
[02:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ouch, very gnomish !!!!!
[02:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: missing the cancel button, but that will come
[02:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I know, I stole the icons from gnome ;)
[02:59] <danimo> no idea
[02:59] <Tonio_> well it's not bad, but I wonder what will our kde users think about this :)
[02:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: any opinion ?
[02:59] <danimo> what's so bad about the current logout dialog?
[02:59] <_StefanS_> danimo: its ugly and outdated for one. :)
[02:59] <Tonio_> danimo: nothing, just to try something different
[03:00] <_StefanS_> IMHO
[03:00] <danimo> Me thinks the logout dialog should ideally only contain "switch user", "sleep mode" and "shutdown"
[03:00] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I like it :)
[03:00] <Riddell> danimo: too many small buttons
[03:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: about the hybernate stuff, is that only comming to the windows when you use a laptop ?
[03:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thanks :) - thats one positive vote :)
[03:00] <Riddell> danimo: which sleep mode?  what if you want to log out?
[03:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes
[03:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: It will autodetect that
[03:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: networkstatus works for knetworkmanager and kdepim :)
[03:01] <Tonio_> Riddell: that rocks !!
[03:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: what happens if you're not using network-manager?
[03:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thanks for the fix on knetworkmanager btw !
[03:01] <danimo> Riddell: simply, suspend to ram if the bios is capable of handling it correctly, and go to hibernation if the computer hasn't been used for a certain time
[03:01] <danimo> Riddell: a user really won't care
[03:01] <_StefanS_> danimo: that was a discussion somewhere, wasn't it ?
[03:01] <RadiantFire> I feel like chiming in with my 2c, several people I know find the picture in the current logout dialog to be most entertaining, and enjoy seeing it
[03:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: to me the "end session for  joe" should be the window title
[03:02] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Yes, that was the plan also.
[03:02] <danimo> _StefanS_: yeah, search on joelonsoftware.com
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: nothing, it just works the way it worked before, as nothing changes the networkstatus
[03:02] <_StefanS_> danimo: think it was a good idea just to have sleep, that why I remembered it :)
[03:02] <danimo> _StefanS_: they were discussing the vista logout dialoge, since microsoft basically fucked up about it
[03:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me test to confirm
[03:02] <_StefanS_> danimo: ah yes
[03:03] <danimo> _StefanS_: point it: it requires more work from the kernel devs
[03:03] <danimo> which just don't seem to care about desktop usage
[03:03] <_StefanS_> danimo: yea.. the suspend/hibernate thing is far from good shape in the current kernels
[03:03] <_StefanS_> danimo: can't think it would be so hard to make work properly.
[03:03] <danimo> a blacklist for suspend to ram would be enough already
[03:04] <danimo> _StefanS_: same here
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: confirmed, it just works the way it did before, error message on connection while offline without knetworkmanager
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's nice ;)
[03:04] <danimo> but then again: I'm not a kernel hacker
[03:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: just kopete seems to need something and that's okay
[03:04] <_StefanS_> danimo: me neither ;)
[03:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: got an idea of what icons that I should use for that dialog ?
[03:04] <danimo> _StefanS_: suspend2 is supposed to be a lot better, but ubuntu still doesn't have it
[03:05] <_StefanS_> danimo: yep lets see about that.. suspend works only for me 1/3 of the times
[03:05] <danimo> I'm fairly bitter on that topic
[03:05] <danimo> _StefanS_: same here, and suspend to ram doesn't work at all
[03:05] <danimo> _StefanS_: seems to be a lot better on suse though
[03:05] <_StefanS_> danimo: but then again, hibernate and suspend is problematic on windows too in some configurations
[03:05] <Tonio_> danimo: I agree concerning suspend2, that's way better
[03:06] <_StefanS_> danimo: suse has hacked the kernels black and blue, like redhat did some years ago
[03:06] <_StefanS_> danimo: cant stand suse
[03:06] <Tonio_> danimo: I think suse uses kpowermanager right ?
[03:06] <_StefanS_> it does.
[03:06] <Tonio_> so it is better, on certain config
[03:06] <Tonio_> and worse on some others....
[03:06] <_StefanS_> I agree on the interface being too complex though
[03:06] <Tonio_> there is no perfect solution on that point
[03:07] <_StefanS_> nope probably not
[03:07] <Tonio_> it depends on the system you use
[03:07] <_StefanS_> anyways, should I continue on that logout dialog ?
[03:07] <Tonio_> sometimes powermanager deals better, sometimes acpi-support is nicer
[03:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yes, please
[03:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: how about the text in the window title ?
[03:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: will change that
[03:07] <Tonio_> thanks ;)
[03:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what you see here is just my test-pet-project
[03:08] <Tonio_> hehe :)
[03:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: have to insert into the actual ksmserver ;)
[03:08] <Tonio_> is there a suse devel chan somewhere ?
[03:08] <danimo> Tonio_: what does powermanager do?
[03:08] <Tonio_> I'll like to ask for kopete + networkstatus
[03:08] <Tonio_> danimo: powersave, sorry
[03:08] <danimo> Tonio_: I think thoenig also works on the powerstuff at suse
[03:09] <Tonio_> danimo: yes he does
[03:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Which icons should I use, do you have any pointers there ?
[03:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Maybe I can find some crystal stuff
[03:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope, but for icons, you can ping kwwii
[03:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: goody
[03:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: he is the canonical artwork master
[03:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: magician
[03:10] <Tonio_> and also a wonderfull guy (even if american ^^)
[03:10] <Tonio_> kwwii: forget this please ! :-)
[03:12] <mhb> Tonio_: americans are more popular around here (Czech Rep.) than french, by the way :o)
[03:12] <Tonio_> mhb: yes ;) that's just a private joke between kwwii and I :)
[03:12] <_StefanS_> well I'm off again
[03:12] <Tonio_> mhb: french don't have ANY problems with american PEOPLE
[03:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I left some information for kwwii, so maybe he will get back eventually
[03:13] <Tonio_> we have issues with the government :)
[03:13] <Tonio_> that's not the same at all
[03:13] <_StefanS_> cu guys
[03:13] <kwwii> Tonio_: lol
[03:13] <Tonio_> too many people beleive french are purelly anti-american, which is absolutly false
[03:13] <Tonio_> mhb: all americans I've seen in my life were wonderfull persons :)
[03:13] <Tonio_> kwwii: ah you just missed stefanS
[03:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: can you look at his work, that sounds nice except he uses gnome icons
[03:14] <Tonio_> kwwii: shouldn't be hard to kdeize them right ? :)
[03:14] <mhb> Tonio_: I don't have anything against french people either
[03:14] <Tonio_> mhb: well our politics are assholes too :)
[03:15] <Tonio_> mhb: you should, lots of french are really bastards (and that's not a joke)
[03:15] <kwwii> Tonio_: yeah, he gave me a screenshot and asked for icons
[03:15] <kwwii> I'll see what I can do
[03:15] <Riddell> kwwii: he doesn't need icons
[03:15] <Tonio_> kwwii: you rock
[03:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah that's what he asked no ?
[03:15] <mhb> Tonio_: czechs are worse ... when I visited Paris the czech agency promised a three star hotel but put us in a place where even the bed and sheets were dirty
[03:15] <Riddell> if/when he actually implements it, it'll be a patch to ksmserver and the icons will all be there
[03:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah cool :)
[03:16] <mhb> Tonio_: sorry about the off-topic stuff :o) I'll get right back to work :o)
[03:16] <Tonio_> mhb: hehe :)
[03:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll finish the kopete thing today so that we'll all be able to test this we on my repo
[03:17] <Tonio_> maybe it just needs rebuild....
[03:17] <Riddell> herd is out, freeze is over!
[03:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: great ;)
[03:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: when that is done, I'll finish the new kds and then start debugging
[03:18] <Tonio_> I hope to succeed in the networkstatus, that would be so cool :)
[03:23] <Riddell> Czessi: amarok 1.4.5 you say?
[03:23] <Czessi> Riddel: yes
[03:23] <Riddell> Czessi: imbrandon said he was working on it
[03:23] <Czessi> Riddel: ok
[03:24] <Czessi> +l ;)
[03:24] <Riddell> Czessi: he pinged me late last night so either he finished it or he had some problem, we'll need to wait for him to reappear to find out
[03:25] <Czessi> Riddell: we need a newer version of libgpod (0.4.2) for ipod support and the binary.patch must be fexed
[03:25] <Riddell> binary.patch?
[03:26] <crimsun> Czessi: / Riddell: it's blocked on the actual promotion of eyed3 to main (MIR has been approved)
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning kopete, only groupwise works with networkstatus at the moment, confirmed by a suse guy
[03:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: so let's consider implementation over
[03:26] <Czessi> Riddell: debian/patches/some-binaries-in-usr-lib.patch
[03:27] <Riddell> crimsun: new libgpod is?
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: the only solution is to patch all the protocols to inherit properties from managedconnectionaccount
[03:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: sounds hard job :/
[03:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: but it's still useful for kdepim no?
[03:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[03:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: patching doesn't seem that hard, maybe Lure can have a look if I give him the infos
[03:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: and yes it works perfectly with kdepim
[03:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: why pass it back to lure?  can't you do it?
[03:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's c++ code, and not a one line patch :)
[03:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: we maybe can do it together, but that'll be too technical for my patching abilities :)
[03:31] <Tonio_> according to the suse guy, that's quite easy to do, just that he only did it work what he uses
[03:31] <Tonio_> but quite easy for him means a nightmare for me :)
[03:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: passing back to Lure is also because he seems interested in that :)
[03:32] <Tonio_> Lure: would you be interested helping me on that point ?
[03:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to upload to ubuntu or do you prefer to test deeply ?
[03:33] <Riddell> oh, pass back the kopete stuff, right
[03:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: upload patched kdepim and network status?
[03:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, I'm done with the packaging, it works, the needed stuff is pure coding :)
[03:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, kdepim and knetworkmanager
[03:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: upload away :)
[03:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;)
[03:35] <nixternal> are we ready for the next Herd release yet? Herd 10?
[03:35] <nixternal> p
[03:35] <nixternal> ;p
[03:35] <Riddell> I hope not
[03:38] <bddebian> Heya
[03:38] <nixternal> boo
[03:38] <Jucato> hi bddebian! hi nixternal
[03:38] <bddebian> Hi nixternal, Jucato :-)
[03:38] <nixternal> hola Jucato
[03:38] <nixternal> hola bddebian
[03:38] <Jucato> :)
[03:38] <nixternal> hola senior Riddell :)
[03:39] <bddebian> Jucato: w00t :-)
[03:39] <nixternal> Jucato: each one of my packages crash
[03:39] <Riddell> hi nixternal, thanks for doing the Herd 3 page
[03:39] <Tonio_> hola Jucato !!
[03:39] <Jucato> nixternal: I think you meant seor Riddell?
[03:39] <bddebian> haha
[03:39] <nixternal> no problem Riddell, I am starting the Herd 4 page now
[03:39] <Tonio_> hey nixternal :)
[03:39] <nixternal> hiya Tonio_
[03:39] <Jucato> hi Tonio_! :)
[03:39] <nixternal> this is starting to look like the intro to a mob meeting
[03:40] <Jucato> lol
[03:40] <nixternal> zoot suit!
[03:41] <nixternal> alrighty, Herd 4 page is ready to go
[03:41] <Riddell> you're too fast for us!
[03:42] <n8k99_> YAY!!!
[03:42] <nixternal> better to get it started now and work on it the next 12 or 13 days, instead of like the Ubuntu side who does it the day before
[03:42] <bddebian> heh
[03:42] <Jucato> nixternal: wow!! it's 26C here and it's already freezing...
[03:43] <nixternal> wth
[03:43] <nixternal> 26C is like HOT
[03:43] <nixternal> ok, doggy is crying for me, brb :)
[03:43] <Jucato> in a tropical country, it's not :)
[03:51] <Jucato> hi manchicken!
[03:51] <manchicken> Howdy.
[04:11] <Tonio_> hi manchicken
[04:54] <manchicken> howdy
[04:54] <Jucato> hi
[04:56] <manchicken> (sorry Tonio_, my response was a little slow
[04:59] <nixternal> heh, I just sat down a minute ago
[04:59] <nixternal> I got caught up watching Oprah
[04:59] <Jucato> heh ok. let me not take you away from Dr. Oprah :)
[04:59] <nixternal> oh, she is over with now
[05:01] <Jucato> nixternal: I was just wondering... what about doing a sort of release notes/changelogs thing for Feisty's release? something document most of the big changes in one page?
[05:02] <manchicken> Oprah?
[05:02] <nixternal> It will be done, but I am not sure if the Doc team will be doing it or if it will be apart of the Ubiquity Slideshow Project
[05:02] <manchicken> *cough*WEIRD*cough*
[05:02] <nixternal> yes manchicken, Oprah
[05:02] <Riddell> nixternal: it should be on a webpage somewhere
[05:02] <nixternal> I know it is, I used to not be able to stand her, but now I can't stop watching
[05:02] <Riddell> nixternal: probably kubuntu.org
[05:02] <nixternal> it must be an "age" thing
[05:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll upload kds
[05:03] <nixternal> Riddell: rockin', I have the kubuntu-www checkout, so when the time comes I can whip that up of course
[05:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: what do we do with fonts as sans serif bugs ?
[05:03] <Tonio_> should we switch back to dejavu sans ?
[05:03] <nixternal> monospace :)
[05:03] <nixternal> oh lord, scary?
[05:04] <Jucato> hehe I forgot the link
[05:04] <Jucato> well not really scary :P
[05:04] <nixternal> whew
[05:04] <Riddell> Tonio_: what bug is that?
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: sans serif doesn't render correctly
[05:04] <nixternal> OK, I need to go through marshmallows at the TV, Rosie O'Pig is on
[05:04] <nixternal> brb
[05:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is supposed to "clone" dejavu, but renders like arial
[05:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: ubuntu considers switching to dejavu, so I think we should do the same (what we did with dapper)
[05:05] <Tonio_> kwwii: can you confirm the sans-serif issue ?
[05:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture13.png
[05:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: as you can see there is a bug, clearly....
[05:08] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks fine to me
[05:09] <Riddell> CKJ doesn't work with dejavu properly
[05:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: that looks fine to you ? it's fuzzy, horrible !
[05:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: compare to  http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture14.png
[05:10] <Tonio_> that looks normal
[05:10] <Tonio_> same as edgy and dapper
[05:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: bitstream vera sans maybe ?
[05:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like a dejavu clone
[05:11] <Tonio_> I wonder what ubuntu uses as the default.....
[05:12] <mhb> Tonio_: we already discussed the fonts at one time, didn't we?
[05:12] <mhb> yes, it is ugly
[05:12] <Tonio_> mhb: the current default sans serif ? yes
[05:12] <mhb> and there is a bug about it
[05:12] <Tonio_> mhb: that's not normal, there is a bug with sans-serif, it should look like dejavu
[05:12] <Tonio_> same appearance
[05:13] <nixternal> I know the current fonts I see on my Feisty machine are very small and hard to read
[05:13] <Tonio_> honnestly wa cannot release with fuzzy and crappy fonts....
[05:13] <Tonio_> nixternal: what is it ? sans-serif ?
[05:13] <nixternal> I am booting it up now to look
[05:13] <mhb> Tonio_: bug 78209
[05:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 78209 in fontconfig "[feisty]  Bad fonts with the latest Feisty upgrade " [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/78209
[05:14] <Tonio_> yup
[05:15] <mhb> Tonio_: that is what you mean, right?
[05:15] <Tonio_> mhb: looks like no change for gnome, only kde
[05:15] <Tonio_> mhb: what does gnome use as the default ?
[05:15] <mhb> Tonio_: yes, but it is a fontconfig issue
[05:15] <Tonio_> mhb: true, but we shoulduse the same fonts than gnome then !
[05:16] <mhb> bug 81608
[05:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81608 in kubuntu-default-settings "Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81608
[05:16] <Tonio_> that's not decided
[05:17] <mhb> true
[05:17] <Tonio_> and there is a bug in kde which makes it impossible to select the "condensed" version
[05:17] <Tonio_> mhb: as the font name is the same, kde only shows the first
[05:17] <Tonio_> sounds stupid but I have to report this
[05:17] <Tonio_> the point is "what does gnome use as the default ?"
[05:17] <mhb> Tonio_: yes, I noticed that
[05:18] <mhb> Tonio_: the bug number was not the answer to your question, but it somehow relevant
[05:18] <Tonio_> mhb: previously condensed was a different font
[05:18] <Tonio_> now it is a style
[05:18] <Tonio_> and kde looks like bugging when parsing the styles
[05:19] <manchicken> nixternal: Don't worry, I'll get you help.
[05:19] <manchicken> nixternal: It'll be okay.
[05:19] <mhb> Tonio_: by the way, can you check something for me? It's also a related thing. When you open Adept with "correct" (DejaVu) fonts, does Adept use them?
[05:21] <Tonio_> mhb: no since adept uses the root profile :)
[05:21] <mhb> Tonio_: oh
[05:21] <Tonio_> so it has to be changed as root
[05:21] <Tonio_> mhb: that's why I want to fix the default :)
[05:21] <mhb> Tonio_: furthermore, Kopete doesn't use them (because the default is set differently perhaps)
[05:21] <Tonio_> mhb: yes there are several settings
[05:21] <Tonio_> the point is I can't get the f**king information
[05:22] <Tonio_> Tonio_: #ubuntu+1 for Fiesty support
[05:22] <Tonio_> that's the answer I get
[05:22] <Tonio_> and on ubuntu+1 I just get ignored........
[05:23] <mhb> Tonio_: I would tell you only if I had ubuntu installed :o(
[05:23] <Tonio_> everytime I have to ask something on #ubuntu or #kubuntu, they just ignore or simply shit on me...... everytime
[05:23] <Tonio_> and those guys will complain if that's not fixed......
[05:24] <mhb> Tonio_: they never help me either ... it's because you have not the most usual questions I guess
[05:25] <Tonio_> mhb: "what is your default font" shouldn't be that hard
[05:26] <Tonio_> http://thestonepedo.dyndns.org/images/Font_Feisty.png
[05:27] <Tonio_> looks like we don't have this one.....
[05:28] <Tonio_> mhb: do you have it on your desktop ?
[05:29] <Riddell> Tonio_: it's our bug then, we should s/Sans Serif/Sans/
[05:29] <mhb> Tonio_: nothing named "Sans" here
[05:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: the problem is that I can't see the font...
[05:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you have Sans on your computer ?
[05:30] <Tonio_> I can't seem to find it
[05:30] <Riddell> I don't
[05:30] <Riddell> how confusing
[05:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes........
[05:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe kde hides the font as the same bug we have with "condensed" fonts...
[05:31] <Tonio_> I don't exactly what happens but we really have to check this
[05:31] <Tonio_> sans serif -> broken
[05:31] <Tonio_> condensed -> invisible
[05:31] <Tonio_> sans -> missing
[05:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's quite a lot of problems :)
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I remember the problem appeared after a fontconfig update
[05:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying with the edgy version
[05:47] <kwwii> I am not running fesity, so I cannot tell if there is a problem
[05:48] <Riddell> Tonio_: no new kicker layout?
[05:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: oups I forgot :)
[05:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll prepare a new upload :)
[05:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: I was focussed on networkstatus and forgot :)
[05:49] <Tonio_> kwwii: do you have the Sans font on your computer ?
[05:51] <kwwii> Tonio_: yes
[05:52] <kwwii> but I have set all my fonts to dejavu
[05:54] <Tonio_> kwwii: Sans or Sans-Serif ?
[05:54] <Tonio_> kwwii: I have Sans-Serif, but not Sans on feisty
[05:55] <kwwii> ahhh, Sans Serif it says
[05:55] <kwwii> good point
[05:55] <Tonio_> kwwii: okay
[05:56] <snikker> why if i run an fltk app with kdesu, i can't read the text, but only scrambled chars?
[05:56] <nixternal> sorry Tonio_, I am checking now what I have
[05:56] <Tonio_> tried to rebuild fontconfig, that doesn't help....
[05:56] <Tonio_> no bug reports........ I can't understand
[05:56] <nixternal> Tonio_: Sans Serif
[05:57] <Tonio_> nixternal: thanks
[05:57] <Tonio_> I don't understand why sans serif is broken on feisty.....
[05:57] <nixternal> I remember this same issue through Dapper and Edgy development as well
[05:58] <Tonio_> I'm cleaning my profile of any .font* thing, we'll see if there is a difference
[05:58] <mhb> Tonio_: nope
[05:59] <Tonio_> no change.
[05:59] <mhb> Tonio_: I installed Feisty fresh and it has the Sans Serif renderred incorrectly
[05:59] <mhb> Tonio_: this bug is one of the reasons why I haven't started telling all testers to migrate to Feisty
[05:59] <Tonio_> ah !!!!!!
[05:59] <Tonio_> I have something !
[06:00] <Tonio_> lcoate language-selector.conf -> fails
[06:00] <mhb> Tonio_: please do tell .o)
[06:00] <Tonio_> cat /etc/fonts/conf.avail/52-languageselector.conf
[06:00] <Tonio_> this file is created by  the patch : 02_ubuntu_fonts_conf.patch
[06:01] <Tonio_> that may explain the problem
[06:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: do you have a file language-selector.conf on your computer ?
[06:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: if yes can you send it to me please ? :)
[06:01] <Riddell> that's for changes made by language seletor
[06:01] <Riddell> should be fine to be missing by default
[06:02] <Tonio_> ah okay.....
[06:02] <Tonio_> then I'm lost....
[06:02] <Tonio_> well that a bug, no emergency, but I'd like to understand
[06:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: concerning the missing fonts, that's kde issue, I'll report the bug toonight
[06:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: missing Sans font?
[06:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: does gnome have a Sans Serif font?
[06:05] <Riddell> Tonio_: it might be a qt issue
[06:05] <mhb> Sans is no name of a proper font, I guess
[06:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm installing ubuntu-desktop to be sure
[06:05] <mhb> it's just a label
[06:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: but I can confirm there is a bug, especially with dejavu
[06:05] <Tonio_> we are missing styles, all "condensed" ones"
[06:06] <mhb> I'm no font expert, but it's just an indication of the fact that the font has no serifs
[06:06] <Riddell> mhb: yes, it's an alias from fontconfig or something
[06:06] <mhb> but OTOH, I don't understand why KDE and GNOME has those aliases different
[06:06] <Tonio_> well I'll install ubuntu-desktop and we('ll see ;)
[06:09] <mhb> Tonio_: anything specific to check?
[06:11] <kwwii> Tonio_: cannot find that file
[06:12] <Tonio_> mhb: remove .gtk_qt_engine_rc  .gtkrc-2.0 in your profile and open a gnome session :)
[06:12] <Tonio_> mhb: then try to find out what is exactly the font used
[06:12] <Tonio_> I'll do that if you cannot
[06:12] <Tonio_> kwwii: thanks :)
[06:12] <mhb> Tonio_: I'll try it
[06:13] <Riddell> I can't even work out what that Sans Serif font would be an alias for
[06:15] <mhb> got it
[06:15] <mhb> DejaVu Sans Book
[06:15] <mhb> it's totally the same
[06:16] <mhb> "Sans" is an alias for that
[06:16] <Riddell> I don't have that listed
[06:17] <mhb> Riddell: in Kubuntu me neither
[06:17] <sebas> Riddell: Who is Brian Murray?
[06:17] <sebas> He's guidance-bugtriaging, and I think I've never seen the name before.
[06:19] <Riddell> sebas: Canonical's new bug triage dude
[06:19] <Riddell> mhb: where do you see it then?
[06:19] <sebas> Ah, that figures
[06:20] <Riddell> sebas: and he's a KDE user :)
[06:20] <mhb> Riddell: GNOME font dialogue
[06:20] <sebas> Riddell: Good :-)
[06:20] <Riddell> mhb: sounds like KDE is hiding a lot of fonts
[06:20] <Riddell> or qt more likely
[06:20] <sebas> It felt like suddenly someone comes along and picks up annoying work from me, gooood :>
[06:21] <Riddell> sebas: bdmurray in #ubuntu-devel if you feel the need to give him a hug
[06:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I assume dejavu sans book and dejavu sans are the same font
[06:22] <sebas> Riddell: I'll do so when I'm not about to run out, thanks for the information
[06:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: they look different (otherwise you wouldn't be having this problem :)
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I don't have any problem with dejavu sans
[06:24] <Tonio_> I have an issue with sans-serif
[06:24] <Tonio_> which makes sense since it is not the same than Sans
[06:24] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact we should change to dejavu sans to stay sync with gnome
[06:26] <Riddell> Tonio_: not all locales use dejavu though (CKJ)
[06:26] <Riddell> that's why we changed to Sans Serif
[06:26] <Tonio_> hum, I understand this....
[06:27] <Riddell> when you use language selector to change to a CJK locale it changes fontconfig with the file you were talking about earlier to use something else for Sans
[06:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, well we have time to find a solution :)
[06:28] <Tonio_> features is more important at the moment
[06:29] <toma> when was the upstream version freeze again?
[06:30] <Riddell> thursday
[06:31] <Riddell> toma: why?
[06:33] <toma> Riddell: i wanted to release mailody 0.4.0 this weekend originally, but i might want to do some more testing...
[06:33] <Riddell> anytime up until thursday is fine
[06:34] <Lure> Tonio_: sorry, was completely busy at work
[06:34] <Riddell> and even after that is possible, but it's more difficult
[06:34] <Lure> Tonio_: yes, I will work on kopete - I think we can get this in even after feature freeze
[06:34] <Lure> Riddell: ^^^ is this correct?
[06:35] <Lure> Tonio_: I need to get my act together and refactor ksmserver patch to support also keyboard shortcuts for suspend/hibernate first
[06:35] <Riddell> Lure: it would need approval from the release dude
[06:35] <Riddell> but I imagine it would be fine if it's just making a patch that already exists more complete
[06:35] <Lure> Riddell: will do my best to get it before, but you never know (busy days, busy nights....)
[06:36] <Riddell> sure, don't get burned out :)
[06:42] <kwwii> birthday dinner, bye all
[06:42] <Lure> Riddell: no worry, my kids take care of that ;-)
[06:42] <Lure> kwwii: your birthday?
[06:43] <kwwii> Lure: yepp, 36 today
[06:43] <Riddell> happy birthday kwwii!
[06:43] <Lure> kwwii: congrats! and have an nice party!
[06:43] <kwwii> thanks, I will
[06:44] <Jucato> nixternal: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14577991%40N00/200083773/
[06:46] <nixternal> ahh, my beach shirt!
[06:46] <nixternal> hehe
[06:46] <Jucato> that was the scary pic :P
[06:48] <nixternal> I was in the middle of talking
[06:48] <Jucato> hehe apparently :)
[06:52] <bddebian> WHOA, someone almost as old as me??  Happy B-Day kwwii!
[06:58] <bddebian> Dirt? :-)
[06:59] <bddebian> I'll be 37 in March
[07:05] <bddebian> Whoa, ScottK!!
[07:05] <bddebian> We're old timers in this crowd :)
[07:05] <ScottK> Heh.
[07:06] <ScottK> Back when I was in college there wasn't anything like this.
[07:07] <Tonio_> Lure: no issue with feature freeze, the feature is already implemented :)
[07:10] <Lure> Tonio_: not kopete...
[07:10] <Lure> Tonio_: and konversation...
[07:30] <Lure> Tonio_: we need to do MIR for networkstatus, right?
[08:01] <danimo> Tonio_: why is there no network-manager-openvpn for edgy?
[08:02] <Vincent_k> I have a question regarding madwifi in feisty, I removed the restricted modules and installed madwifi svn, everything seems to work except that I cant connect to my ap
[08:03] <manchicken> don't do that.
[08:04] <Riddell> Lure: not if it's part of kdepim
[08:06] <Lure> Riddell: but binary is in universe...
[08:06] <Riddell> Lure: just need to ask for a promotion then
[08:06] <Riddell> Lure: it's only the source package that needs main inclusion review, and kdepim is already in main
[08:06] <Lure> Riddell: ok, great
[08:06] <Lure> Riddell: just open bug and subscribe archive-team?
[08:07] <Tonio_> danimo: I think nobody took care of the package :)
[08:07] <Riddell> Lure: it needs to be in anastacia first
[08:07] <Riddell> Lure: so something needs to depend on it
[08:07] <Tonio_> danimo: I wanted to work on this but that's gnome stuff, so..... ^^
[08:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: it is?
[08:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup
[08:08] <Lure> Riddell: ok, so we need to test first, then you can add it to kubuntu-meta, right?
[08:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: no kde frontend for this, you can launch it via knm, but that's gnome only stuff...
[08:08] <Lure> Tonio_: I have seen in svn that knm got some vpn support
[08:08] <danimo> Tonio_: it's backend agnostic, at least it should be
[08:08] <Lure> Tonio_: native, no gtk...
[08:08] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, it integrated with the gnome components
[08:08] <danimo> Tonio_: as I said, there is a kde frontend to it now
[08:09] <danimo> Tonio_: the current packages just package gtk+backend together
[08:09] <Tonio_> danimo: yes now but not on the current release
[08:09] <Riddell> Lure: sure
[08:09] <danimo> for no good reason
[08:09] <Tonio_> danimo, Lure: with version 0.1 afair
[08:09] <Lure> Tonio_: maybe we should go with svn until 0.2 is released
[08:10] <Tonio_> Lure: maybe, but we have lots of patches now, I hope we'll be able to port all of them
[08:10] <Tonio_> Lure: I can make a point with thimo
[08:11] <Tonio_> Lure: I'll discuss with him next week, and give a test
[08:12] <Tonio_> Lure: then maybe we hopefully can package the vpn components
[08:12] <Tonio_> at the moment knm only give the possibility to launch the gnome frontends for openvpn, and that's eveil because it uses gnome keyring
[08:51] <Lure> Riddell: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps is this ok for tracking flagship apps for inclusion?
[08:51] <Lure> Riddell: I am not sure about the page name though....
[08:52] <Riddell> Lure: ah, I was just about to ask.. :)
[08:52] <Riddell> page name is fine
[08:52] <Riddell> well...  it's wiki.Kubuntu.org!
[08:52] <Lure> Riddell: ;-)
[08:53] <Lure> Riddell: I am used to wiki.ubuntu.com...
[08:58] <Lure> Riddell: should we add Status column (In progress, To late for feisty...)
[08:58] <Lure> s/To/Too/
[08:59] <Riddell> Lure: go ahead
[09:03] <Lure> seaLne, imbrandon: if you want to add more data about amarok / k3b: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps
[09:10] <_StefanS_> hi
[09:11] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I've sent you the patch. What do you need under debian/patches ?
[09:13] <Riddell> the patch :)
[09:14] <Riddell> that looks fine, I'll test it in a bit
[09:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: goody
[09:16] <_StefanS_> I was thinking... right now there's isn't an option for defaulting to the standard logout. Do we need that ?
[09:16] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it would be nice
[09:16] <Lure> _StefanS_: you are working on logout dialog?
[09:16] <_StefanS_> yep
[09:17] <Lure> _StefanS_: then I will wait for your patch before refactoring HAL stuff
[09:17] <_StefanS_> Lure: whats your deadline on that?
[09:18] <_StefanS_> Lure: I will be done within this weekend. Maybe tonight, if things behave.
[09:18] <Lure> _StefanS_: I need to finish it before Wed (feature freeze + probably going on long weekend vacation)
[09:19] <_StefanS_> Lure: should be done long before that. What is the HAL stuff about ? just curious
[09:19] <Lure> _StefanS_: you can drop me a patch on lure @ kubuntu dot org and I can test it here
[09:19] <_StefanS_> Lure: alright.
[09:20] <Lure> _StefanS_: we have this patch for Suspend/Hibernate buttons which use HAL. Now I need to refactor it (move most of HAL specific code) out of shutdown dialog into main code in order to implement also keyboard shortcuts
[09:20] <Lure> KubuntuFeistyLaptop page has more info
[09:20] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[09:22] <_StefanS_> by the way, did you notice slow boot on feisty if you have only wireless ?
[09:22] <_StefanS_> its a dhcp timeout
[09:22] <Riddell> Lure: I wouldn't block that on _StefanS_'s stuff, he's doing purely look and feel changes
[09:23] <_StefanS_> true
[09:23] <Lure> Riddell: ok, so it is just dialog change?
[09:23] <_StefanS_> Lure: yes
[09:23] <_StefanS_> just to mimic other *ubuntu's
[09:24] <mhb> what dialog?
[09:24] <_StefanS_> mhb: logout
[09:24] <mhb> _StefanS_: wow
[09:24] <_StefanS_> mhb: shutdown dialog if you will
[09:24] <mhb> _StefanS_: I really wanted to do that myself
[09:24] <mhb> _StefanS_: thanks
[09:24] <_StefanS_> mhb: :)
[09:24] <mhb> _StefanS_: but I wouldn't have time before feature freeze
[09:25] <_StefanS_> mhb: I'll make it
[09:25] <mhb> _StefanS_: you know, I even made a mockup before Edgy was out
[09:25] <_StefanS_> mhb: oh ? you would happen to have some icons for it ?
[09:25] <_StefanS_> would/wouldnt
[09:26] <mhb> _StefanS_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Kubuntu-Edgy-Ideas?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=shutdown-edgy1.png
[09:26] <mhb> _StefanS_: no, I used the oxygen ones before
[09:27] <mhb> _StefanS_: do you have a screenshot handy?
[09:27] <_StefanS_> mhb: ah, here's the current "test" from me http://enhance-it.dk/logout-pre.png
[09:27] <_StefanS_> was just writing as you asked ;)
[09:27] <mhb> _StefanS_: thanks
[09:28] <_StefanS_> dont mind the windowborder, its for testing only.
[09:28] <mhb> _StefanS_: has kwwii seen your work?
[09:28] <_StefanS_> mhb: I wrote him 5-6 hrs ago, but he hasn't answered
[09:28] <Riddell> it's his birthday
[09:28] <Riddell> he'll be getting drunk or something
[09:28] <_StefanS_> ah :)
[09:29] <mhb> Riddell: I don't think he would do that in front of the kids :o)
[09:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: argh I saw my patch clashes with debian/patches/kubuntu_76_ksmserver_suspend.diff, in the hal stuff
[09:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'll redo it if you want
[09:30] <Riddell> _StefanS_: I had just noticed the same thing
[09:30] <mhb> what I'd love is a consistent dialog for logging in / logging out / locked desktop
[09:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its debuild -nc and then modify the stuff i figure (?)
[09:31] <Lure> _StefanS_: that is mine patch ;-)
[09:31] <Riddell> _StefanS_: depends on what you're doing
[09:32] <Riddell> _StefanS_: make -f debian/rules apply-patches
[09:32] <Riddell> will apply the existing patches
[09:32] <Riddell> take a copy of it
[09:32] <Lure> _StefanS_: it adds Suspend and Hibernate buttons
[09:32] <Riddell> make changes
[09:32] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thats exactly what i was after
[09:32] <Riddell> diff -urN old new
[09:32] <_StefanS_> Lure: I noticed ;) - HAL stuff also
[09:33] <Lure> _StefanS_: HAL stuff will move out to one of the other classes - only button stuff will stay
[09:34] <_StefanS_> Lure: oh, yea
[09:34] <mhb> _StefanS_: oh, the dialog lacks a visible way to close itself, by the way
[09:35] <_StefanS_> mhb: yea i know, i will add a cancel button in the lower right
[09:37] <mhb> _StefanS_: also it needs a lot of polishing
[09:37] <mhb> _StefanS_: colours of borders, size of the squares, etc
[09:37] <_StefanS_> mhb: ofcourse ;) - I will get back in here for feedback on that
[09:38] <mhb> _StefanS_: you don't happen to use Polyester widget style, do you?
[09:38] <_StefanS_> mhb: QtCurve
[09:38] <mhb> _StefanS_: it is (most likely) going to be default in Feisty
[09:39] <_StefanS_> mhb: polyester, isn't that the comic pastel stuff
[09:39] <mhb> _StefanS_: I'm not sure how much is your work influenced by the widget style - but we must make sure it works well with it
[09:40] <_StefanS_> mhb: I'll install it
[09:40] <_StefanS_> mhb: ah I have actually hosted a mirror for mart that makes it. I used it once
[09:41] <_StefanS_> mhb: sometime back
[09:41] <_StefanS_> think I asked him to add "doubleclick" close on the windows
[09:41] <_StefanS_> like plastik
[09:42] <Riddell> _StefanS_: where did you get this patch from again?
[09:43] <_StefanS_> Riddell: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=20652, updated here: http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=22557
[09:43] <mhb> _StefanS_: I think you mistake window decoration for widget style
[09:44] <_StefanS_> mhb: probably :) - I always have
[09:44] <mhb> _StefanS_: widget style - buttons & stuff
[09:44] <mhb> _StefanS_: window decoration - the top of the window - close, minimize etc. buttons
[09:44] <mhb> _StefanS_: I meant the buttons, menus, listboxes, etc.
[09:44] <_StefanS_> mhb: yes I know
[09:45] <_StefanS_> mhb: maybe I should get some sleep
[09:49] <mhb> _StefanS_: sure :o)
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I might aswell implement that default/shadow fade while i'm redoing that patch
[09:55] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it doesn't need to be configurable from the GUI necessarily, just a kconfig check
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: okay, I'll do that.
[09:56] <_StefanS_> hope I dont get confused as with the window deco and style hehe
[09:56] <_StefanS_> not easy when you have a little girl waking up 2-3 times every night
[10:18] <mhb> _StefanS_: will you get the feature ready for feature freeze/ herd 4 ?
[10:20] <_StefanS_> yep certainly, I really want to help out on this, so I'm devoting most of my weekend to this. Just like I used some of my workday today to hack. IBM which I work for, can afford that ;)
[10:24] <Riddell> ssh, don't say that too loudly :)
[10:25] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I have flexible working hours, so its no problem
[10:41] <mhb> staying in a channel like this can really pump a lot of optimism into you
[10:44] <Riddell> YEAH, WE'RE FEELING PUMPED!
[10:45] <Tm_T> Stop pumping me, perv!
[10:51] <mhb> it's good to see you have a good mood, you two :o)
[10:53] <manchicken> Oooh....
[10:53] <manchicken> mhb: It's because they're excited the Chicago Bears are in the super bowl.
[10:54] <manchicken> ^_^
[10:54] <manchicken> Hopefully win32 with vmware runs this xubuntu well.  I can't stand living in windows anymore.
[10:54] <manchicken> I'm about to stab my eyes out with my mouse's USB adaptor.
[10:58] <_StefanS_> Riddell: compiling kdebase now, hopefully the patch works :)
[10:59] <_StefanS_> now why does konsole scroll so damn slow.. maybe because the screen gets cleared everytime stuff is written to it.. jeez
[11:15] <manchicken> _StefanS_: Do you run kubuntu on vmware in windows?
[11:15] <_StefanS_> manchicken: nope not currently
[11:16] <_StefanS_> manchicken: I run kubuntu on kubuntu using vmware now though
[11:16] <_StefanS_> and windows and stuff
[11:16] <manchicken> heh
[11:16] <manchicken> I've got kubuntu running on my personal machine... but work requires a shitty windows-only VPN.
[11:17] <_StefanS_> same prob here
[11:17] <_StefanS_> installed a proxy though, that will allow most stuff to work from my linux machine
[11:17] <manchicken> They force me to run this firewall on it that locks stuff out.
[11:18] <_StefanS_> hmm i run a firewall too, but havent check why it actually works
[11:18] <_StefanS_> stupid windoze
[11:19] <manchicken> Either way, xubuntu is installing quite nicely.
[11:19] <manchicken> I get to use GNU even though I'm being forced to use windows.
[11:19] <_StefanS_> manchicken: yea I guess you use cygwin as well
[11:20] <_StefanS_> manchicken: mediocre solution, but works ok in most cases
[11:20] <manchicken> I used cygwin.
[11:20] <manchicken> It just isn't getting the job done anymore.
[11:21] <_StefanS_> naw, but sometimes you really need some of the shell functionality for sorting out stuff. And over vpn i really hate moving data back and forth when sorting lists and such
[11:22] <_StefanS_> depends on your needs really
[11:49] <manchicken> I want multiple desktops and sloppy focus.
[11:49] <manchicken> xfce is ROCKING.
[11:49] <Tm_T> KDE <3
[11:49] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:49] <manchicken> I'm not going to run a real DE in this vmware on the windows.
[11:50] <manchicken> I love my KDE, and I'm using it on my own machines.
[11:50] <manchicken> But for my work lappy, they force me to run windows.
[11:50] <manchicken> xubuntu in vmware is rocking my world for that.
[11:51] <Tm_T> Yu.
[12:07] <_StefanS_> mhb: I was wondering.. who's deciding that Polyester is going to be default in kubuntu ?
[12:07] <Riddell> kwwii
[12:08] <_StefanS_> hmm.. I think you would be a lot better off using QtCurve as it integrates nicely into Gnome apps
[12:08] <_StefanS_> Style is more clean IMHO
[12:08] <Riddell> yo abattoir, I heard you've been talking to cjwatson about getting qt 4 oem-installer into feisty?
[12:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will test the shadow fade with settings in a few moments.. crossing fingers :)
[12:10] <mhb> _StefanS_: I don't want to disappoint you, but he knows about QtCurve and he considered that, AFAIK
[12:10] <mhb> _StefanS_: it's also hard to change that back since we have a MIR pending
[12:11] <_StefanS_> mhb: Ok, he might have his reasons - atleast he checked what was out there.
[12:11] <_StefanS_> MIR?
[12:11] <mhb> _StefanS_: (Main Inclusion Report - we're trying to get Polyster into our main repository so that we can use it in Kubuntu as default)
[12:11] <_StefanS_> ah
[12:11] <elcuco> QtCurve is SWEET
[12:11] <elcuco> however it has serious issues in RTL languages.
[12:11] <_StefanS_> it is, and does wonders for unifying looks
[12:11] <_StefanS_> hmm maybe
[12:12] <elcuco> not maybe, trust me ;-)
[12:12] <_StefanS_> okay ;)
[12:12] <_StefanS_> have you brought that to mart's attention ?
[12:12] <_StefanS_> although I think he's doing a qt4 port actually
[12:13] <_StefanS_> and busy on that
[12:13] <elcuco> i tried fixing it myself, but that code is ugly, there are some parts of the code shared between the gtk and qt backednds
[12:13] <_StefanS_> ow..
[12:13] <elcuco> so i just asked him to do this, and he fixed somethings, but other were not fixed
[12:14] <_StefanS_> that might be why polyester was chosen instead
[12:14] <_StefanS_> if its all that messy
[12:14] <elcuco> can i insall polyster on edgy?
[12:15] <elcuco> Get:1 http://il.archive.ubuntu.com edgy/universe kde-style-polyester 0.99+1.0b1-0ubuntu1 [160kB]