[12:16] Riddell: concerning beagle, do we want to hide the desktop file or simply change the section in kmenu ? [12:16] I think we shouldn't hide it completly since other tools like kio-beagle don't allow to configure it [12:16] kerry does === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:25] Tonio_: no idea, what's the issue? [12:26] Riddell: the desktop file is created in a "gnome" section :) [12:26] Riddell: I'll patch the desktop file the way we did with hplip... [12:27] Riddell: I hope portland project will let kde4 use the same sections than gnome, since this is really a pitty [12:27] no way to install a gtk admin tool that doesn't crap the kmenu.... [12:30] it's nothing to do with portland, it's just gnome people have to talk to kde people and vice-versa [12:30] equally someone needs to look at why KOffice doesn't show up in the gnome menu [12:30] Riddell: isn't that one of portland goals ? [12:31] Riddell: concerning this, it is probably a matter of "onlyshowin" in teh desktop files [12:32] oh, it's because KOffice still uses obsolete applnk menu entries [12:32] I'll poke upstream to get it fixed [12:33] portland goals are cross desktop interfaces for common actions, menu spec is done elsewhere [12:34] Riddell: ah okay I thought it was also part of i [12:34] it [12:35] Riddell: another example of the /media folder when nothing is mounted (no floppy or cdrom inserted) [12:35] Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture12.png [12:35] that's ugly and probably strange for the user [12:36] ? I see nothing related there [12:36] why do I have a folder called "cdrom0" [12:36] Riddell: refresh ;) [12:36] mm, yes, ugly [12:37] media:/ gives something related to what is mounted only [12:37] and icon names are wau better [12:37] Riddell: that's all the little things that are not reported on launchpad that I have to check for next meeting [12:39] Riddell: 6th build of kdepim today..... my cpu is dead ;) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-77-18.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manchick@12.47.30.10] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:32] imbrandon: done amarok yet? :) === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manchick@76.16.240.139] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-69-221-253-25.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15 [n=freet15@61.149.0.133] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@71-218-200-243.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dyn-129-64-200-61.wireless-bg.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:36] Lure: The workaround for the LP tagging problem appears to be including which release you are interested in - https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+bugs?field.tag=verification-needed === freet15 [n=freet15@61.149.0.133] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:39] manchicken: when/how did you receive your @kubuntu.org?!?! [03:39] Jucato: It's automatic. [03:39] Jucato: If you'll notice, I sent it to your kubuntu.org ;) [03:39] whoa [03:39] lol it just came in kmail and didn't notice koolness === jdong [n=jdong@TANG-SIX-FIFTY.MIT.EDU] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:48] hobbsee , crimsun , yea , working on it now actualy [03:49] well, a first impression of campus internet from leeching off their wifi from a hotel 1.5 miles away.... [03:49] not all that pleasant :D [03:49] yay for 1Mbit! [03:49] moin imbrandon!!! long time no see :) [03:51] Jucato, heya [04:01] Any of you kubuntu types going to merge yakuake? [04:12] bddebian, i hadent had plans to but i can if you or no one else wants to [04:12] i need to finish amarok first though [04:12] I'm looking at it, I'm just worried about missing anything important :) [04:13] ;) === Jucato looks at the calendar and realizes he won't make it, even on a crash course... [04:16] Jucato: ? [04:16] I was planning on learning to package really quick and package kuickshow... but feature freeze is on the 15th... [04:16] Ahh :) === Jucato looks for a project to throw his shiny new @kubuntu.org weight on :) [04:21] lol === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:17] Riddell, ping === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === goldenear [n=goldenea@2001:6f8:392:1:213:2ff:fe4a:53a7] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === orkid [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242377513.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === orkid [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242377513.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-036-075.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === orkid [n=orkid@74.13.45.41] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.228.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel === zakame [n=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:44] hi all [07:44] zakame!!!! [07:44] yo Jucato [07:44] you weren't there when I was grilled :( [07:45] yeah sorry about that, haven't seen the log yet [07:45] hehe :) [07:45] welcome back to the world of development :P [07:45] I was never away, just distracted :P === orkid [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242377513.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:46] yes you were away... "without a good internet connection" == away :D [07:47] heh === oslo [n=Lancelot@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:48] anyway, is there a current wlan app in feisty that can do run-parts on /etc/network/if-* ? [07:49] it appears that neither wlassistant nor kwlan does that [07:49] Here's a question.... When I look at tar files in Konqueror on my Feisty laptop, the file type is in French. Is that a Tar problem, a Konqueror problem, or a locale problem? Any ideas? [07:50] good job on feisty! it's running great here :D === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel === orkid [n=orkid@74.13.45.41] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-132-063.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-200-210.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure_ is now known as Lure === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@c-24-8-194-105.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:23] i just upgraded to feisty and only have one problem, dbus [09:23] dbus-uuidgen has an unresolved symbol error [09:24] anyone have any thoughts? should I report it, or is it just me? [09:26] the symbol is dbus_internal_do_not_use_create_uuid === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy_ [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === sahin_w [i=kvirc@nat/hp/x-31362a3a00930005] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:29] morning [11:30] moin mhb [11:31] it's possible to install multiple versions of debootstrap on the same system right? === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:31] like debootstrap for dapper, edgy, and feisty? [11:33] morning all :) [11:33] moin Tonio_ [11:34] Tonio_: I need to install the debootstrap debs for dapper and feisty if I want to build pbuilders for them right? [11:35] Jucato: just install pbuilder and sudo pbuilder --create [11:35] Tonio_: I'm still on edgy [11:35] should be a dep of pbuilder in fact [11:35] but yeah that's required [11:36] so if I'm on edgy, and want to make a feisty pbuilder, I need to install feisty's deboostrap (.deb), together with edgy's? [11:40] Jucato: no just install pbuilder and dbootstrap and then configure pbuilder for feisty and that's it [11:40] aka s/edgy/feisty in /etc/pbuilderrc [11:40] ah ok [11:40] then sudo pbuilder --create --override-config === Jucato is a bit confused by the packaging guide... === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:41] thanks. I'll try building one right now === Jucato crosses his fingers... and toes === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-131-081.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === praetor [n=praetor@124-168-94-12.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:44] Riddell: I've finished the kdepim networkstatus thing [12:44] Riddell: but we'll need to sync the changes with debian, has I have to create a new networkstatus-dev package [12:45] opensuse does it, debian ignores the header files, which are necessary to build knetworkmanager with networkstatus support [12:45] Tonio_: what needs changed? [12:45] a few kdepim patches needed to install the header files [12:45] then a new package and .install file to get them [12:45] and also a little change on kdepim-dev.install, another header missing [12:46] Riddell: look at that patch, it'll give you all the keys of what needs changing : [12:46] http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/54 [12:47] in fact the networkstatus debian packaging is incorrect, lots of files are missing [12:47] but presumably because kde has it in the source, but doesn't fully install it (experimental thing probably) [12:47] so networkstatus is there in the code, but needs patching for full install [12:48] once kdepim is okay I'll build knetworkmanager (should be easy) and hopefully all will work like in suse [12:49] that's not debian's fault, that's KDE's fault [12:51] Riddell: yup that's what I said [12:52] Riddell: that's why we have to merge both patches and packaging changes to debian once it's tested as working [12:56] Tonio_: should we name the package kde-networkstatus-dev ? [12:57] Lure: that's the way suse does [12:57] maybe we should do the same indeed [12:57] Lure: dunno if debian will accept that change :) [12:57] at the moment I only did a networkstatus-dev package [12:58] Tonio_: true, there is already networkstatus package - then better leave it as si [12:58] s/si/is/ [01:08] Lure: that's my point too [01:08] Lure: less changes, more chances to be accepted by the mother distro :) [01:09] Lure: I'll put all the package on my repo if you wanna test toonight [01:09] Lure: 6 days before feature freeze to get that in [01:09] Riddell: concerning the samba spec, I will not have tie to implement it as samba seems broken on feisty at the moment [01:10] Riddell: I'll focu on that networkstatus thing which looks more important in my opinion [01:10] Tonio_: yeah, didn't expect so [01:10] agreed === Tonio_ blames his stupid keyboard [01:11] too many food behind the keys :) [01:12] Tonio_: you rock! === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:13] Lure: wait to see it working ;) [01:13] Lure: everything is theory at the moment [01:14] Lure: but documentation of patches in rpms is horrible, no way to clearly follow the changes.... [01:18] should be just patch -p1 < foo.diff in the .spec file [01:18] but maybe suse has some funky way to do this === allee [n=ach@dialin-212-144-128-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:30] Riddell: suse has some normal and reverted patches too [01:31] Riddell: looks like their build system can try to patch both ways during the build :) that's nasty isn't it ? :) === neversfelde [n=chrman@195.71.21.177] has joined #kubuntu-devel === praetor [n=praetor@124-168-94-12.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:38] Riddell: chances to get a fixed kaffeine for feisty are very little unfortunatelly.... [01:38] Riddell: I just asked upstream, we'll see when it's released, maybe with a UFV exception... [01:40] Tonio_: what's broken? [01:41] konqueror crash [01:41] Riddell: kaffeine team is currently fixing the issue, but looks like it'll not be released before at least 2 month [01:41] maybe we'll be able to provide a last minute inclusion [01:43] oh, well kmplayer is a decent enough solution, if kaffeine doesn't get in then it can wait until the next release [01:44] Riddell: sure, but that would be better to ship with a all-in-one player only ;) [01:45] yes === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:57] Tonio_: ping? [01:58] danimo: pong [01:58] Tonio_: are the packages frozen already? [01:59] Tonio_: I'm having an interesting conversation with the knm guys === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:01] danimo: about ? [02:01] danimo: we can upload changes at the moment, no problem [02:02] Tonio_: it might be possible to have the vpn plugins working with native kde dialogs [02:02] Tonio_: and I am implementing ad-hoc networking support as we speak === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:03] Tonio_: I just need testers, probably by the beginning of next week [02:04] great [02:04] danimo: so ad-hoc doesn't work right ? [02:05] Tonio_: the problem is two-fold === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:05] Tonio_: for one, knm doesn't support creating one [02:05] Tonio_: and secondly, http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=384033 indicates the backend support is broken [02:06] okay [02:06] well danimo once you have something to test, let me know and I'll put the patches in, so that we can all test this === RadiantFire [n=ryan@upstream/dev/RadiantFire] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:07] I'll have time to drop the patches it that causes issues [02:07] ok, cool [02:07] Tonio_: knm has developed a lot [02:08] danimo: is there a stable release coming arround ? [02:09] um... question... what if my pbuilder create was abruptly interrupted? will it resume the next time I issue the same command? or do I restart from scratch? [02:10] Tonio_: did you ever do anything but package from svn? [02:10] danimo: well the current version is build with the only official release [02:10] Jucato: restart with the same command [02:11] Tonio_: oh, right. there's been a 0.1 [02:11] ok. thanks [02:11] but that's like... ancient [02:11] danimo: hehe [02:11] danimo: ancient but stable ;) that's the point === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:13] danimo: it would be interesting to test a svn build [02:13] Tonio_: but network manager has been kind of a bitch lately [02:14] Tonio_: if you do so, add libnm-dev to the dep list [02:14] danimo: it is already a builddep [02:14] Tonio_: and you might need to #define __u64 [02:14] danimo: are you talking about builddep or dep ? [02:15] Tonio_: sorry, not libnm [02:16] Tonio_: libnl-1 [02:16] ah okay [02:16] danimo: I may give a shot but that's not an emergency for feisty as the current version is stable enough [02:16] danimo: what is the global changelog ? [02:17] Tonio_: "svn log" :) [02:17] danimo: dude that's rude :) [02:17] danimo: I mean did you test it ? [02:18] okay let's svn log then...... [02:18] :'( [02:19] Tonio_: no, I didn't test it. I will do so over the weekend [02:19] Tonio_: I am talking to thoenig about doing another release [02:20] yeah that would be great :) === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:21] although it'll not be so hard to patch the code for networkstatus with a new release.... [02:21] Tonio_: I think we (kubuntu) should really get involved with this. network manager is not as good and reliable as it should be [02:21] danimo: that's what I'm just working on [02:21] Tonio_: network status is working in feisty? [02:21] danimo: I'm doing the implementation right now [02:21] Tonio_: suse must have networkstatus at a recent level [02:21] Tonio_: or are you doing it differently? [02:21] danimo: I use suse work [02:22] Tonio_: I just talked with both of the knm main devs [02:22] Tonio_: I think it would be more helpful if we actually got those patches into svn [02:22] danimo: in fact it was in the code previously but was removed as part of suse work [02:22] Tonio_: they aready added some suse specialities to svn, added with proper compile conditions [02:22] now networkstatus is in kde svn, yes, we should have that in the code [02:23] eventually as a configure option to activate === Ingmar^ [n=ingmar@86-39-3-93.customer.fulladsl.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:23] Tonio_: hmm, not sure what you are trying to say? the knm part was moved to be a patch, but the kde part is in svn now? [02:23] danimo: exactly was I was talking about hehe :) [02:23] danimo: networkstatus is now in kde source right ? [02:23] Tonio_: the suse specialties are limited to calling modem setup routines sofar :) [02:23] Tonio_: I think so at least [02:23] the only thing is that it requires a little patch to install headers files [02:24] Tonio_: can you join #knetworkmanager ? [02:24] otherwise knm cannot be compiled with the networkstatus patch [02:24] danimo: sure === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.228.36] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:55] Lure: it works ;) [02:55] Lure: at least for kmail/kontact [02:55] Lure: when I start it and knetworkmanager is disconnected, no error message [02:55] Lure: hehe :) [02:56] let's test with kopete === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:58] danimo: do you know if there is something to activate for kopete to deal with networkstatus ? [02:58] a patch or configure option ? [02:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: could you check this dialog, tell me what you think : http://enhance-it.dk/logout-pre.png [02:58] _StefanS_: ouch, very gnomish !!!!! [02:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: missing the cancel button, but that will come [02:59] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I know, I stole the icons from gnome ;) [02:59] no idea [02:59] well it's not bad, but I wonder what will our kde users think about this :) [02:59] Riddell: any opinion ? [02:59] what's so bad about the current logout dialog? [02:59] <_StefanS_> danimo: its ugly and outdated for one. :) [02:59] danimo: nothing, just to try something different === rideout [n=rideout@71-215-90-16.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:00] <_StefanS_> IMHO [03:00] Me thinks the logout dialog should ideally only contain "switch user", "sleep mode" and "shutdown" [03:00] _StefanS_: I like it :) [03:00] danimo: too many small buttons [03:00] _StefanS_: about the hybernate stuff, is that only comming to the windows when you use a laptop ? [03:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thanks :) - thats one positive vote :) [03:00] danimo: which sleep mode? what if you want to log out? [03:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes [03:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: It will autodetect that [03:01] Riddell: networkstatus works for knetworkmanager and kdepim :) [03:01] Riddell: that rocks !! [03:01] Tonio_: what happens if you're not using network-manager? [03:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thanks for the fix on knetworkmanager btw ! [03:01] Riddell: simply, suspend to ram if the bios is capable of handling it correctly, and go to hibernation if the computer hasn't been used for a certain time [03:01] Riddell: a user really won't care [03:01] <_StefanS_> danimo: that was a discussion somewhere, wasn't it ? [03:01] I feel like chiming in with my 2c, several people I know find the picture in the current logout dialog to be most entertaining, and enjoy seeing it [03:02] _StefanS_: to me the "end session for joe" should be the window title [03:02] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Yes, that was the plan also. [03:02] _StefanS_: yeah, search on joelonsoftware.com [03:02] Riddell: nothing, it just works the way it worked before, as nothing changes the networkstatus [03:02] <_StefanS_> danimo: think it was a good idea just to have sleep, that why I remembered it :) [03:02] _StefanS_: they were discussing the vista logout dialoge, since microsoft basically fucked up about it [03:02] Riddell: let me test to confirm [03:02] <_StefanS_> danimo: ah yes [03:03] _StefanS_: point it: it requires more work from the kernel devs [03:03] which just don't seem to care about desktop usage === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:03] <_StefanS_> danimo: yea.. the suspend/hibernate thing is far from good shape in the current kernels [03:03] <_StefanS_> danimo: can't think it would be so hard to make work properly. [03:03] a blacklist for suspend to ram would be enough already [03:04] _StefanS_: same here [03:04] Riddell: confirmed, it just works the way it did before, error message on connection while offline without knetworkmanager [03:04] Riddell: that's nice ;) [03:04] but then again: I'm not a kernel hacker === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AED4F7.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:04] Riddell: just kopete seems to need something and that's okay [03:04] <_StefanS_> danimo: me neither ;) [03:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: got an idea of what icons that I should use for that dialog ? [03:04] _StefanS_: suspend2 is supposed to be a lot better, but ubuntu still doesn't have it [03:05] <_StefanS_> danimo: yep lets see about that.. suspend works only for me 1/3 of the times [03:05] I'm fairly bitter on that topic [03:05] _StefanS_: same here, and suspend to ram doesn't work at all [03:05] _StefanS_: seems to be a lot better on suse though [03:05] <_StefanS_> danimo: but then again, hibernate and suspend is problematic on windows too in some configurations [03:05] danimo: I agree concerning suspend2, that's way better [03:06] <_StefanS_> danimo: suse has hacked the kernels black and blue, like redhat did some years ago [03:06] <_StefanS_> danimo: cant stand suse [03:06] danimo: I think suse uses kpowermanager right ? [03:06] <_StefanS_> it does. [03:06] so it is better, on certain config [03:06] and worse on some others.... [03:06] <_StefanS_> I agree on the interface being too complex though [03:06] there is no perfect solution on that point [03:07] <_StefanS_> nope probably not [03:07] it depends on the system you use [03:07] <_StefanS_> anyways, should I continue on that logout dialog ? [03:07] sometimes powermanager deals better, sometimes acpi-support is nicer [03:07] _StefanS_: yes, please [03:07] _StefanS_: how about the text in the window title ? [03:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: will change that [03:07] thanks ;) [03:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what you see here is just my test-pet-project [03:08] hehe :) [03:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: have to insert into the actual ksmserver ;) [03:08] is there a suse devel chan somewhere ? [03:08] Tonio_: what does powermanager do? [03:08] I'll like to ask for kopete + networkstatus [03:08] danimo: powersave, sorry [03:08] Tonio_: I think thoenig also works on the powerstuff at suse === _StefanS_ just submitted the danish translation for KPowersave to Danny [03:09] danimo: yes he does [03:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Which icons should I use, do you have any pointers there ? [03:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Maybe I can find some crystal stuff [03:09] _StefanS_: nope, but for icons, you can ping kwwii [03:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: goody [03:09] _StefanS_: he is the canonical artwork master [03:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: magician [03:10] and also a wonderfull guy (even if american ^^) === _StefanS_ just draws advanced matchstick men when really concentrating [03:10] kwwii: forget this please ! :-) [03:12] Tonio_: americans are more popular around here (Czech Rep.) than french, by the way :o) [03:12] mhb: yes ;) that's just a private joke between kwwii and I :) [03:12] <_StefanS_> well I'm off again [03:12] mhb: french don't have ANY problems with american PEOPLE [03:13] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I left some information for kwwii, so maybe he will get back eventually [03:13] we have issues with the government :) [03:13] that's not the same at all [03:13] <_StefanS_> cu guys [03:13] Tonio_: lol [03:13] too many people beleive french are purelly anti-american, which is absolutly false [03:13] mhb: all americans I've seen in my life were wonderfull persons :) [03:13] kwwii: ah you just missed stefanS [03:14] kwwii: can you look at his work, that sounds nice except he uses gnome icons [03:14] kwwii: shouldn't be hard to kdeize them right ? :) [03:14] Tonio_: I don't have anything against french people either [03:14] mhb: well our politics are assholes too :) [03:15] mhb: you should, lots of french are really bastards (and that's not a joke) [03:15] Tonio_: yeah, he gave me a screenshot and asked for icons [03:15] I'll see what I can do [03:15] kwwii: he doesn't need icons [03:15] kwwii: you rock [03:15] Riddell: bah that's what he asked no ? [03:15] Tonio_: czechs are worse ... when I visited Paris the czech agency promised a three star hotel but put us in a place where even the bed and sheets were dirty [03:15] if/when he actually implements it, it'll be a patch to ksmserver and the icons will all be there [03:16] Riddell: ah cool :) [03:16] Tonio_: sorry about the off-topic stuff :o) I'll get right back to work :o) [03:16] mhb: hehe :) [03:16] Riddell: I'll finish the kopete thing today so that we'll all be able to test this we on my repo [03:17] maybe it just needs rebuild.... [03:17] herd is out, freeze is over! [03:17] Riddell: great ;) [03:17] Riddell: when that is done, I'll finish the new kds and then start debugging [03:18] I hope to succeed in the networkstatus, that would be so cool :) [03:23] Czessi: amarok 1.4.5 you say? [03:23] Riddel: yes [03:23] Czessi: imbrandon said he was working on it [03:23] Riddel: ok [03:24] +l ;) [03:24] Czessi: he pinged me late last night so either he finished it or he had some problem, we'll need to wait for him to reappear to find out [03:25] Riddell: we need a newer version of libgpod (0.4.2) for ipod support and the binary.patch must be fexed [03:25] binary.patch? [03:26] Czessi: / Riddell: it's blocked on the actual promotion of eyed3 to main (MIR has been approved) [03:26] Riddell: concerning kopete, only groupwise works with networkstatus at the moment, confirmed by a suse guy [03:26] Riddell: so let's consider implementation over [03:26] Riddell: debian/patches/some-binaries-in-usr-lib.patch [03:27] crimsun: new libgpod is? [03:27] Riddell: the only solution is to patch all the protocols to inherit properties from managedconnectionaccount [03:27] Riddell: sounds hard job :/ === jack_at_home [n=jack@221.223.17.61] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:28] Tonio_: but it's still useful for kdepim no? [03:29] Riddell: yes [03:29] Riddell: patching doesn't seem that hard, maybe Lure can have a look if I give him the infos [03:29] Riddell: and yes it works perfectly with kdepim [03:30] Tonio_: why pass it back to lure? can't you do it? [03:30] Riddell: that's c++ code, and not a one line patch :) [03:30] Riddell: we maybe can do it together, but that'll be too technical for my patching abilities :) [03:31] according to the suse guy, that's quite easy to do, just that he only did it work what he uses [03:31] but quite easy for him means a nightmare for me :) [03:31] Riddell: passing back to Lure is also because he seems interested in that :) [03:32] Lure: would you be interested helping me on that point ? [03:33] Riddell: want me to upload to ubuntu or do you prefer to test deeply ? [03:33] oh, pass back the kopete stuff, right [03:33] Tonio_: upload patched kdepim and network status? [03:33] Riddell: yes, I'm done with the packaging, it works, the needed stuff is pure coding :) [03:33] Riddell: yes, kdepim and knetworkmanager [03:34] Tonio_: upload away :) [03:34] Riddell: okay ;) [03:35] are we ready for the next Herd release yet? Herd 10? [03:35] p [03:35] ;p [03:35] I hope not === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:38] Heya [03:38] boo [03:38] hi bddebian! hi nixternal [03:38] Hi nixternal, Jucato :-) [03:38] hola Jucato [03:38] hola bddebian [03:38] :) === Jucato is taking a crash course on packaging... [03:38] hola senior Riddell :) [03:39] Jucato: w00t :-) [03:39] Jucato: each one of my packages crash === Tonio_ seems to smell.... [03:39] hi nixternal, thanks for doing the Herd 3 page [03:39] hola Jucato !! === nixternal hands Tonio_ either Beano or a bar of soap [03:39] nixternal: I think you meant seor Riddell? [03:39] haha [03:39] no problem Riddell, I am starting the Herd 4 page now [03:39] hey nixternal :) [03:39] hiya Tonio_ [03:39] hi Tonio_! :) [03:39] this is starting to look like the intro to a mob meeting [03:40] lol === n8k99_ dusts off his pinstripe suit [03:40] zoot suit! [03:41] alrighty, Herd 4 page is ready to go === nixternal has to take the dog out and it is freeeezing -15'C right now :( [03:41] you're too fast for us! === nixternal can't wait for Mexico [03:42] YAY!!! [03:42] better to get it started now and work on it the next 12 or 13 days, instead of like the Ubuntu side who does it the day before [03:42] heh [03:42] nixternal: wow!! it's 26C here and it's already freezing... [03:43] wth [03:43] 26C is like HOT [03:43] ok, doggy is crying for me, brb :) [03:43] in a tropical country, it's not :) === manchicken [n=manchick@12.47.30.10] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:51] hi manchicken! [03:51] Howdy. === toma [n=toma@84-53-90-221.wxdsl.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:11] hi manchicken === ubijtsa_ [n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:54] howdy [04:54] hi === superstoned_ [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:56] (sorry Tonio_, my response was a little slow === Jucato waits for nixternal to return [04:59] heh, I just sat down a minute ago [04:59] I got caught up watching Oprah [04:59] heh ok. let me not take you away from Dr. Oprah :) [04:59] oh, she is over with now [05:01] nixternal: I was just wondering... what about doing a sort of release notes/changelogs thing for Feisty's release? something document most of the big changes in one page? [05:02] Oprah? [05:02] It will be done, but I am not sure if the Doc team will be doing it or if it will be apart of the Ubiquity Slideshow Project [05:02] *cough*WEIRD*cough* [05:02] yes manchicken, Oprah === Jucato remembers user complaints about not being informed about changes like hidden files, dash, etc. [05:02] nixternal: it should be on a webpage somewhere [05:02] I know it is, I used to not be able to stand her, but now I can't stop watching [05:02] nixternal: probably kubuntu.org [05:02] it must be an "age" thing [05:03] Riddell: I'll upload kds [05:03] Riddell: rockin', I have the kubuntu-www checkout, so when the time comes I can whip that up of course [05:03] Riddell: what do we do with fonts as sans serif bugs ? [05:03] should we switch back to dejavu sans ? [05:03] monospace :) === Jucato suddenly remembers a scary pic of nixternal in chi.ubuntu-us.org... [05:03] oh lord, scary? [05:04] hehe I forgot the link [05:04] well not really scary :P [05:04] whew [05:04] Tonio_: what bug is that? [05:04] Riddell: sans serif doesn't render correctly [05:04] OK, I need to go through marshmallows at the TV, Rosie O'Pig is on [05:04] brb [05:04] Riddell: it is supposed to "clone" dejavu, but renders like arial [05:05] Riddell: ubuntu considers switching to dejavu, so I think we should do the same (what we did with dapper) [05:05]