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[07:25] (feisty) === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.228.36] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:27] hmm, i'll try the forums === orkid [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242377513.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:49] Good morning [07:57] arr, pitti [07:58] yo pitti === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === orkid [n=orkid@74.13.45.41] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@1-234.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === giftnudel [n=mb@p54A90260.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [n=gman@203.175.114.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:43] hey mneptok, good morning! [08:53] morgen! === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@c-24-8-194-105.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@c-24-8-194-105.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === rideout [n=rideout@c-24-8-194-105.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ssam [n=ssam@87.127.117.246] has joined #ubuntu-devel === niktaris [n=niktaris@ppp187-46.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] dbus-uuidgen is giving me the following error in feisty, [09:27] symbol lookup error: dbus-uuidgen: undefined symbol: dbus_internal_do_not_use_create_uuid === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73D82.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:29] good morning === sabdfl [n=sabdfl@ubuntu/member/pdpc.silver.sabdfl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-98-83.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@64.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rc-1 [n=rc-1@ip68-229-102-1.hr.hr.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] heno: good mornign === mvo [n=egon@p54A67251.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] heno: it would be nice if the iso test bug summaries could mention a list of test cases [10:10] pitti: ! Thanks for testing with the new tracker How is it working for you? === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:10] heno: takes a bit to get used to, but not bad [10:11] kro_afk: we just changed the kernel ABI, so you need to make sure that you have a very current installer [10:11] heno: my biggest struggle is actually finding installer bugs I filed ages ago and which I now re-detect [10:11] pitti: would a link to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/InstallMethods suffice? [10:11] right [10:11] pitti: do you have any idea why sim ftbfs? It seems to be pkgstrip-tingabob related. [10:11] heno: probably, but why not just add it to the summary? I guess you have a script which creates those reports anyway? [10:11] Mithrandir: will look at it [10:11] mvo: good mornign [10:12] mvo: thanks for the nice apport demo on the live system :-P [10:12] good morning pitti! [10:12] pitti: Tollef does, yes [10:12] pitti: thanks. [10:12] Hm, I think I'll make a wiki page for feedback like this [10:12] and then review before Herd 4 [10:13] pitti: sfllaw promised me a text to put in the bug reports. He has so far failed to do so, but improvements are certainly welcome. [10:13] heno: another thing is that it is now pretty hard to see what still needs testing [10:13] heno: maybe bughelper can help us with creating a table-like report, similar to the Testing/Current page? [10:14] pitti: my idea for that was to (ab)use the importance setting [10:14] heno: I meant 'oh, amd64/alternate still needs OEM tested' [10:14] pitti: we have a format_wiki() function already - I was never sure which format to use, but if anybody wants to hack that, that's cool [10:14] High for still needs testing, Critical for failed (needs fixing), Wishlist for tested plenty already [10:15] heno: ah, that's a good first step [10:15] dholbach: yay :) [10:15] pitti: yes, more important for Beta and onwards, but we should get it working. Perhaps a separate bug for each test case [10:18] hmm, did anyone try live/check? it boots straight into the live system for me [10:19] heno: once this has all settled down, a post to ubuntu-devel-announce about how developers can process the results would be good === Gman [n=gman@203.175.114.37] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] cjwatson: yep, and some thoughts on improvements [10:21] bug #78282 is there someone I can contact as to an ETA>? [10:21] Malone bug 78282 in vnc4 "vnc4server does not start Desktop environment after security update" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/78282 [10:21] ogra: hello. i think i'm ok with the fuse merge. debdiff -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3808/ [10:21] macd: it's known and it's veery ugly, will take some time to fix === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:22] I was digging through it some, yes its definetly no quick hack. [10:23] pitti, tyvm btw. [10:24] ogra: i use the udev rules to mount the fuse control filesystem, but i don't unmount it with the rule, because 1. it's impossible (AFAIK). 2. It's done anyway by /etc/init.d/umountfs === Kagou [n=Kagou@88.140.39.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] ogra: what do you think ? [10:24] macd: we could do some nasty hacks to put back the original edgy debs into -security, but it would be better to actually track down the toolchain/library regression that caused this mess [10:25] we're not going to downgrade [10:25] well since edgy gets a feature feeze soon, I dont think nasty hacks are the best plan of action, and nor do you ;) [10:25] macd: er ... feisty is the one feature-freezing, edgy is released [10:25] yeah, my mistake. [10:26] 3:30am here. [10:26] cjwatson: no, re-label the edgy .debs with a higher -security version number, but that's really something I'd try to avoid [10:26] 9:30am doesn't make me any more awake than you, believe me :-/ === mneptok laughs [10:27] screw you all ;) [10:27] well, not any more awake, but surely more aware, 20 hours in front of a PC tends to take its toll on your minds sharpness === masterar2ro [n=masterar@83.238.70.51] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok looks at the clock reading 0427 and realizes his workday is half over ;) [10:28] ohh, thats a nasty shift. [10:29] in at 2300, out at 0800. your complaints of "it's late!" fall on deaf ears here. :) [10:29] (of course, when i complain that it's late at 1700UTC you can all point and laugh) ;) [10:30] If I spent less time in #ubuntu answering questionbs and more time working, well....we all know [10:30] yes, its 5pm somewhere, right now. === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] hi Mithrandir [10:35] hi niktaris [10:35] is there something wrong with pbuilder now? [10:35] it stops at [10:35] I: Configuring console-setup... [10:35] I: Configuring ubuntu-minimal... [10:35] I: Base system installed successfully. [10:36] Mithrandir: sim> 'Error: Package: and Architecture: do not alternate in debian/control' -> ah, that's pretty clear then; duplicate Architecture: field or so [10:36] Mithrandir: are you monitoring the 'ISO bug' comments for found bugs and/or should I copy them over to Testing/Current? [10:37] is there a tool to create current snapshots of alternative/desktop images? [10:37] would need that... [10:39] btw. openoffice draw lacks a kde menu entry [10:42] Kano: hmm, so it does [10:43] "NoDisplay=true" that'll be why [10:44] hi Riddell [10:44] do you know why i cant create a pbuilder environment? [10:45] i deleted the old, need a new... === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-10.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:45] "Base system installed successfully" sounds like a success to me [10:47] Riddell: nope, it stops [10:47] thats wrong === sahin_w [i=kvirc@nat/hp/x-31362a3a00930005] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seeker` [n=cjo20@ip-62-105-182-26.dsl.twang.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] i guess debootstrap is somehow wrong [10:56] seems unlikely [10:56] do we use wodim instead of cdrecord as Debian do? [10:56] debootstrap's hardly changed in ages and it works in lots of other situationsn [10:56] seb128: yes [10:56] ok [10:56] so I need to update nautilus-cd-burner [10:56] pitti: it is? I can't find it. [10:56] it tries calling readcd by example [10:56] I thought we had a wrapper scripts [10:56] heno: just about to investigate [10:56] script [10:56] well not the debootstrap package itself, but maybe some main tools [10:57] cjwatson: I've no readcd on my feisty apparently [10:57] ah [10:59] hum [10:59] that has been fixed with 9:1.1.1-1 to Debian [11:00] seb128: hi [11:00] hey pitti [11:00] seb128: new installs currently have both n-m and the gnome network monitor in the panel [11:01] seb128: against what shall I file that bug? === pkl [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:01] pitti: you want the network monitor applet to be dropped probably? [11:01] pitti: gnome-panel [11:01] it is debootstrap that hangs, just tested [11:01] seb128: right [11:01] seb128: ok, will do [11:01] danke [11:02] debootstrap feisty feisty-test http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu [11:02] try yourself === pkl is now known as pkl_ === mdz [n=mdz@217.205.109.249] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] you might need to do [11:13] ps aux |grep deboot|awk '{print $2}'|xargs -r kill -9 [11:14] umount feisty-test/proc feisty-test/sys [11:14] in case it locks for you too... [11:14] I maintain debootstrap in Ubuntu insofar as anyone does; I know how to clean up after it :-) [11:15] Kano: works fine for me [11:15] Kano: I suspect your system is misconfigured somehow, although I don't know how [11:15] <_ion> kano: pgrep deboot | xargs ... [11:15] jeez, pkill [11:15] <_ion> Argh, such a brainfart. :-) [11:17] after the message you mention seeing, debootstrap does: kill old temporary sources.list and set up a new one; save log file; sync; clean up $TARGET/debootstrap === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:17] I suppose sync might hang if your kernel oopsed in the meantime [11:20] does not matter, it stops [11:20] morning [11:21] i will not fix it manually... [11:21] i need it for pbuilder [11:25] well maybe sync is the problem [11:25] will test it later === hoora_214 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-d1dcf8e49694e9d1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] pitti: if you could actually verify that installs worked, etc, (in the ubuntu-iso-testing bugs), that'd be good. [11:28] Mithrandir: oh, ok [11:28] Mithrandir: I thought 'no news is good news' [11:28] well, true, but I'd like an explicit confirmation so it's not just "pressed submit too early and forgot" [11:29] Mithrandir: right, will do from now on [11:30] thanks [11:31] Mithrandir: can you tell me how to build install/desktop iso snapshots? === pvanhoof [n=pvanhoof@d54C0EE14.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:32] Kano: use debian-cd [11:33] is it for livecds too? === Mithrandir chuckles over https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-app-install/+bug/80589 [11:33] Malone bug 80589 in gnome-app-install "daily live comes with crash report - pre-populated!" [High,Confirmed] [11:35] Mithrandir: are you sure it is for feisty? i only see etch entries.. [11:35] also itis from universe [11:35] so what tool do you use [11:35] we use debian-cd. [11:36] the debian-cd in the archive is Debian's, not ours [11:36] and where is yours [11:36] bzr something? [11:36] http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/cdimage/mainline/ and references in configs/devel having checked that out [11:36] it's a pain to set up, though. Don't waste your time on it unless you really really have to [11:36] you need a full local mirror and all sorts of stuff [11:37] why doent it work with a internet mirror? [11:37] I'm not going to attempt to support it; folks using it need to be smart enough to support themselves :-) [11:37] because it doesn't [11:37] deal :) [11:37] ok, need a new hd first then ;) === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-130-238.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] cjwatson: and when i juse fuse to mount an ftp server to local dir? [11:39] curlftpfs can do that [11:39] it'd be bloody slow and you need to hardlink stuff, so it still wouldn't work. === Fjodor [n=sune@0x55510b65.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:40] debian-cd *can* use a symlink farm (see its README) but it's not well-tested because everyone using it for serious CD-building installations just has a big disk with a local mirror === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] which is by far the most efficient option if you're doing it seriously [11:41] ogra: how are your images? [11:42] heno: re braille-support, brltty's bluetooth driver doesn't seem to need a PIN [11:42] cjwatson: will keep this in mind. how big is ubuntu main currently? [11:42] or indeed know how to accept it [11:43] ^[[Acjwatson@lithium:~$ du -s cdimage/ftp [11:43] 90917604 cdimage/ftp [11:43] so 90GB === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:44] hmm but not only feisty i think [11:44] sure, but cdimage doesn't bother selecting by release because that's more effort than just rsyncing the lot [11:44] I have no idea how big feisty/main is and it isn't entirely trivial to find out [11:44] rync all is a bit much... [11:44] sum up the Size fields in all the relevant Packages and Sources files [11:44] use debmirror and then du it, but why care? Disk space is cheap. [11:45] cjwatson: Thats about right. The config file has nothing relating to bluetooth pins in it, only to do with the BlueTooth address. [11:45] WOuldn't hurt to consult upstream about that, which I'll do now. [11:45] Mithrandir: do you optimize the desktop isos for speed later? [11:46] TheMuso: I'm just attempting the integration now [11:46] Kano: no, that's done earlier. [11:46] so you get a sortlist before [11:46] cjwatson: I have a serial display here, so I can't test bluetooth, but would be happy to test in general. === Mithrandir throws a rock at ogra to make him wake up. [11:47] cjwatson: well, if it will work without a PIN that's better I guess [11:47] TheMuso: plan is to blat brltty-udeb.sh and the udev rules into the regular brltty package as well, make braille-setup use /lib/brltty/brltty.sh so that it can kill any running brltty if need be, and hook it in from init scripts and the like to be used if you give brltty=ask on the kernel command line [11:49] cjwatson: Sounds good. === TMM [n=hp@212.123.212.131] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] Mithrandir: a quick question on ia32-libs-gtk. I fixed a pango problem in it and refreshed them with "BUILD=0 ./fetch-and-build" along the way. is that sufficient? or is there more that needs to be doen before a upload? [11:51] mvo: you probably want to build the orig.tar.gz too [11:51] heno,TheMuso: instead of a USB port, brltty seems to want the serial number of the display (or empty to autodetect) [11:51] (just answering a comment in braille-setup [11:51] ) [11:52] Mithrandir: _24_ seems to not have a orig.tar.gz. how do I build the orig.tar.gz for this package? [11:52] mvo: with tar and gzip === cassidy [n=cassidy@14.207-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] I think it's then just /lib/brltty/brltty.sh -b auto -d "bluetooth:$b_address", /lib/brltty/brltty.sh -b "$s_model" -d "serial:ttyS$s_port", /lib/brltty/brltty.sh -b "$u_model" -d "usb:$u_serial" as appropriate [11:53] cjwatson: so for USB it shouldn't need any port info, but for a serial display conected to a USB-Serial dongle it would need the Serial port # [11:54] actually I think I'll add -E to that [11:54] heno: brltty(1) doesn't document any way to do that though? [11:55] heno: oh, are we talking about /dev/ttyUSB$n here? [11:55] cjwatson: if that is serial via USB, then yes [11:56] aha, right === heno brings up the spec [11:56] I'll make it clearer in braille-setup, then, and say that other USB devices will be autodetected [11:56] right, thanks [11:57] cjwatson: Dave Mielke and I are actually working on a better version where we clarify some of these things [11:57] heno: heh, I've already forked the script ;) [11:58] ok, go with that then :) === enrico [n=enrico@debian/developer/enrico] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:58] perhaps I can upload what I've got and you guys can tweak [11:58] cjwatson: sounds great [11:58] So this script will be run if the accessibility script in casper finds anything on the command line right? [11:59] brltty=ask specifically [11:59] yeah I know. [11:59] I wasn't planning to do it via casper, actually [11:59] ah ok [11:59] reason is that it needs to interact with the user via read(1), and by the time casper runs usplash is up [11:59] point [11:59] so instead, I suggest doing it in the initramfs, right after console configuration [11:59] cjwatson: why does it need read(1) and can't use the usplash input infrastructure? [12:00] well, casper's in the initramfs too, but earlier in the initramfs [12:00] hm, because the user can't see, maybe? [12:00] I think in this case it's best for it to be as simple as possible [12:00] can anyone tell me why the ubuntumembers team in launchpad has marked me as 'expired'? i am still somewhat active since the very begining [12:00] Mithrandir: According to heno, this is for deaf blind people who may have assistance. [12:00] ...I think [12:00] if somebody wants to move it into usplash, fine, but we can do it before usplash starts [12:01] bhale: all memberships are for a term of two years - the intent is to renew explicitly if the person's active [12:02] cjwatson: i see, i understood them to lapse only in the event of inactivity. thanks [12:02] bhale: unfortunately I'm not sure what the renewal process is because I've sort of been phasing out of the CC - I can renew it for a week to cover the next CC meeting though [12:02] cjwatson: that would be cool, iirc mail is linked to that group [12:02] I don't know if Mark wants to do explicit turn-up-to-meetings-type renewals or what [12:03] alright, ill put myself on an agenda [12:04] hm, the topic of expiring members in general is the topic of the next CC [12:04] haha [12:04] yes, preferably the CC should handle this when members are about to expire rather than waiting until they do [12:06] heno: I'm renaming it to brltty-setup to make it clearer what package it belongs to === givr1 [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-64-64.w82-120.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:11] would it be possible to get latest ati (8.33.6 currently), latest nvidia 9746 and 9631 and 7184 in the restriced package? btw. nvidia-legacy driver does not need any udev hack anymore [12:11] 3 nvidia drivers would be best... [12:11] I doubt we'll do three drivers. [12:12] it takes 3 drivers to support all hardware [12:12] but they are needed if you want to support full range === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-125-166.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:12] hi tkamppeter [12:13] i can easyly detect and switch between em,but currently i would have to package em manually or download the installers [12:13] i have a working script but would like to seemlessly integrate === janimo [n=jani@Home04482.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:14] pc linux os has 3 packages... nvida-71xx, -96xx , -97xx [12:14] just for example for a better naming scheme [12:16] btw. do you patch the avm drivers to add support for the compatible hardware? [12:16] one driver can be patched [12:16] (just differnt usb id needed) [12:17] pitti, hi [12:18] pitti, did you upload the fixed m2300w yesterday? Or did you wait because of the Herd 3 freeze? [12:19] http://kanotix.com/files/fix/fxusb_cz.patch [12:19] basically you copy the fxusb source and apply that patch [12:20] then you get a fxusb_cz too... that works [12:21] tkamppeter: I uploaded it, but it's stuck in unapproved due to the freeze [12:22] mv fxusb_cz/lib/fxusb-lib.o fxusb_cz/lib/fxusb_cz-lib.o [12:22] dont forget to rename the precompiled part for that change... [12:25] Mithrandir: hi, can you roll xubuntu images when you have soem time? thanks [12:26] janimo: "roll out" meaning publish or create or what? [12:26] Mithrandir: roll, like whatever it takes to have iso-s on cdimage :) [12:26] last ones are for Jan 30th [12:27] janimo: alternate images being created, livefs creating too running. [12:27] thanks === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] what the preferred way to disable that bootsplash thing after boot? [12:32] i really dislikethat i see nothing when i stop kdm [12:34] Kano, #ubuntu for support [12:35] Seveas: is the next CC scheduled? the wiki page says no [12:36] bhale, I just poked the CC about it for the third time [12:36] ok.thanks [12:36] Riddell: there is even twice NoDisplay=true in /usr/share/applications/ooo-math.desktop ... [12:39] doko: I presume NoDisplay in ooo-maths and ooo-draw are deliberate? === Kano [n=kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:41] Riddell: how about: Categories=Application;Office;VectorGraphics [12:43] Riddell: was decided when we cleaned up the menu structure for dapper [12:44] stupid decision... [12:44] TheMuso: hmm, brltty doesn't *strictly* need to be started in the initramfs, does it? only configure [12:44] d [12:44] makes sense, I don't see much need to run ooo maths as a separate application [12:44] cjwatson: No. It has an init script. [12:44] math ok, but graphics [12:44] although it's a bug not to include a ; at the end of the Categories list [12:44] pitti: btw, I just disabled language pack exports to do another Feisty opening test [12:45] TheMuso: starting persistent processes in the initramfs is a pain, so if possible I'd like to just configure it and then have the init script start it up [12:45] ok, great [12:45] pitti: so we will not get daily updates this weekend [12:45] carlos: ok for me; I'm just uploading new dapper packs, btw [12:45] carlos: that's fine, cronjobs are off anyway [12:45] base ones? [12:45] cjwatson: right, Dave wanted to just add some entries at the bottom of /etc/brltty.conf [12:45] ok [12:45] cjwatson: Howd you plan to do that? [12:45] carlos: right, the ones from Monday [12:45] ok [12:45] As in, let the init script know what we want [12:45] TheMuso: write out /etc/brltty.conf [12:45] cjwatson: and then have ubiquity copy the modified script over [12:45] RIghto. [12:45] did you get a confirmation from people complaining about missing translations, that those packages fixes their issue? [12:46] it'll take two initramfs hooks because usplash starts before the root filesystem is mounted, but whatever [12:46] WHich means we can get the casper ubiquity stuff to copy it over at install time. [12:46] 'zactly [12:46] \o/ [12:46] Kano: ranting doesn't help; if you want to change it, write a new menu spec for feisty+1 [12:46] or even just have brltty install a ubiquity hook, maybe [12:46] Sounds good. [12:46] I'm all for splitting this stuff out into separate packages to make it easier to mix and match [12:47] http://err.no/herd-3.txt proofreading needed. [12:48] The requested URL /herd-3.txt was not found on this server. [12:48] http://err.no/tmp/herd-3.txt [12:48] hah, I guessed right [12:48] pitti, thanks for the info, thought already about a thing like this [12:48] heno: DO you think this is a good time to discuss transitioning to espeak and getting things set for using espeak's different voices for languages? [12:48] Mithrandir: please add the hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false workaround for the install CD han [12:48] g [12:49] Mithrandir: also please mention that if the new partitioner doesn't work then you can fall back to the old one by running 'ubiquity --old-partitioner' from a terminal [12:50] TheMuso: we should look at the patches Gilles made. Those should take care of it [12:50] cjwatson: looks good? [12:50] heno: What patches? [12:50] Have all his patches to gnome-speech and the newest espeak made it into the repos? [12:51] hang on, going to -accessibility [12:51] Mithrandir: is it worth mentioning that gnome-power-manager does not start by default in herd3? [12:52] janimo: it does not? [12:52] Mithrandir: it got ist autostart file dropped in a recent upload [12:52] by accident [12:52] ok === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:53] what's the easiest way to start it by hand? [12:53] gnome-power-manager from the console I guess [12:55] janimo: looks good now? === afflux [i=discoflu@gateway/tor/x-80f2b62a6371b9d1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] Mithrandir: yes [12:56] it'd be good if someone else who tested recent livecds confirmed this though [12:56] Scott noticed it yesterday === DHGE [n=alois@i577A968D.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] Mithrandir, sorry, sorry, sorry .... edubuntu is ready indeed [01:00] Mithrandir: no, not gksudo [01:00] janimo: confirmed; is there a bug about it already? [01:00] Mithrandir: just 'ubiquity --old-partitioner'. It raises privileges in the appropriate way itself [01:00] cjwatson: oh, ok [01:00] hi! anyone to confirm that the texlive/tetex dependencies are fixed like in debian? i am having problems apt-getting packages with texlive installed [01:00] cjwatson: ok now? [01:00] Mithrandir: "The primary focus ... have been" -> has been [01:01] pitti yes there;s ab ug, ogra knows about it [01:01] Mithrandir: rest looks fine [01:01] cjwatson: I think I can blame Hobbsee for that, she proofread it last time. [01:01] cjwatson: thanks a lot. === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:02] janimo: alternate xubuntu ready. [01:03] Mithrandir: ah, heh, I found the reason for the sim FTBFS; debian/rules defines a variable that pkg-create-dbgsym expects to be empty initially === pitti blushes [01:03] pitti: *cough*. :-P [01:03] Mithrandir: will fix p-c-d and ask for a give-back after it reaches the archives next wek [01:03] week [01:03] janimo, the gpm doesnt start bug ? [01:04] ogra: yes [01:04] Mithrandir: thanks [01:04] a fixed package is sitting on my disk ... waiting for the archive lock to go away [01:07] in feisty: tex4ht (20060913-1) depends: tetex-bin OR texlive-base-bin :-) === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:10] janimo: -live ones ready too. [01:11] the html in http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/feisty/herd-3/ is broken [01:11] DHGE: how so? [01:11] ah, fixed. [01:11] look and see [01:12] it'll be visible on the next mirror run [01:12] Mithrandir: I've used the Status field to indicate how an image is doing. 'In Progress' means several successful installs reported, 'Need Info' means just one test (and we would ideally like more) Unconfirmed is no testing reported or heno doesn't know if the reports are good enough (or if the bugs reported are RC) === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] heno: ok, sounds useful. [01:13] heno: I'll mark a couple of them as fix released, though [01:13] ooh, the new ubiquity partitioner! if it only would allow me to create a /home partition [01:13] Mithrandir: cool [01:14] pitti: hmm? === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] cjwatson: I attempted it three times, each time making the partition slightly smaller, it just ignores it [01:15] pitti: trying it under ubiquity --debug would be good [01:15] cjwatson: will do, and file a bug [01:15] thanks, this is exactly the sort of thing I want to hear about === cjwatson -> lunch [01:15] cjwatson: I guess you aren't yet interested in quarrells about the UI? [01:16] pitti: well, not of the form "it's ugly and hard to use", but things like "that text field should really be a spinbutton", sure [01:17] Is it the LANG or LANGUAGE environment variable that should be checked for determining the language used on the system? [01:18] <_ion> Among others. [01:19] Mithrandir: thanks for the isos [01:19] oh, np [01:23] TheMuso: LANG is the default value for unset LC_* (except LC_ALL); I didn't yet figure out what LANGUAGE is good for [01:24] pitti: Thanks, I thought LANG was it, but when I saw LANGUAGE referred to in some source code, I wasn't entirely sure. [01:24] pitti: Gnome has some stuff about LANGUAGE [01:25] TheMuso: one difference is that LANG specifies one locale, and LANGUAGE is a list of fallback (like de:en) [01:25] google might help here [01:25] ok [01:25] pitti: it's a gnu extension [01:26] it is used by gettext in preference of LC_ALL and LANG [01:27] janimo: ugh, it dominates $LC_ALL? [01:27] pitti according to info gettext it does [01:27] <_ion> For example, my settings are: LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8, LC_MESSAGES=en_US.UTF-8, LC_NUMERIC=en_US.UTF-8, LANGUAGE=en_US:en, i.e. programs should use the Finnish locale settings for things such as day and month names, paper size etc. but speak English. They should also print numbers with a decimal dot instead of the stupid Finnish comma. [01:27] export LANGUAGE only and start mc [01:27] $ LANGUAGE=en locale still gives me all German locales [01:28] weird [01:28] pitti: I'm just curious but has the MainInclusionQueue stalled? there doesn't seem to be much activity there lately. === pirast [n=martin@p508B1BD6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] siretart: I approved a whole lot yesterday, and iwj approved something today [01:28] ogra: do you have some time to have a look at the fuse merge ? -> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3808/ ;) . Thanks [01:29] LANGUAGE is only used to override LC_MESSAGES [01:29] see locale(7) [01:29] pitti: aah, okay, then just false impression on my side :) [01:29] siretart: but if you have something urgent in the queue, please IRC-poke me [01:29] it does dominate LC_ALL, but only if you're querying the LC_MESSAGES category === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] pitti: it's not that important, I'm rather curious if cryptsetup and ffmpeg are going to make it into ubuntu 7.04/main [01:31] siretart: I don't really dare to judge about ffmpeg, I'd appreciate a verdict from TB or so [01:31] heh I didn't expect this to turn into such a big discussion. Thanks folks, I'll see whether its worth changing the code to refer to LANG rather than LANGUAGE. [01:31] pitti: err, the TB told me to file a MIR and look if it was fine. So I cannot go to the TB before not having a successful MIR for ffmpeg [01:31] pitti: looks like there is a deadlock [01:32]