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UbugtuSchedule for Europe/Madrid: Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Feb 21:00: Mozilla Team | 07 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 08 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Feb 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Feb 21:00: Technical Board12:25
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 05 Feb 20:00 UTC: Mozilla Team | 07 Feb 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 08 Feb 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Feb 16:00 UTC: Forum Council | 13 Feb 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 14 Feb 10:00 UTC: MOTU
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pittiseb128, Mithrandir: so, as I said I did syncs, removals, and SRU now; SRU takes quite a lot of time, but I'm fine with doing some source NEW as well11:05
Mithrandirshould we discuss the agenda first? :-)11:06
pittiok :)11:06
pitti- assign responsibilities11:06
Mithrandir* archive team days11:06
pitti- work out archive days schedule11:06
pitti?11:06
Mithrandiryeah, I guess those are the important ones.11:06
pittiso what do we need to do: syncs, source new, binary new, removals, cruft, sru, promotions/demotions11:07
pittianything else?11:07
pittioh, backports11:08
Mithrandiryeah, and freeze exceptions at one point, but I'll in general be happy to take those.11:08
seb128stable updates?11:08
Mithrandir== sru11:09
seb128ah, right11:09
pittiMithrandir: right, freeze exceptions are RMish11:09
Mithrandirok, so what would people like to do?11:09
seb128I'm happy to do syncs, binary new, removals11:10
pitti<- sru, syncs, removals, help with source new (but this should be done by several people)11:10
cjwatsonalso you *will* be asked to investigate weird shit :-)11:10
cjwatsonI can keep on doing cruft and the odd bit of other stuff11:10
pittiseb128: you often need main promotion as well, I guess?11:11
cjwatsonand backports I suppose, though I'd like not to be the only one11:11
seb128pitti: right11:11
seb128I'm happy to help on backports as well11:12
cjwatsonis somebody taking minutes?11:12
MithrandirI am11:12
pitticjwatson: I'll send a report11:12
pittioh, ok11:12
pittiMithrandir: so you do freeze exceptions and also source new?11:13
Mithrandiryes, I'm trying to write up a matrix here to see if there's stuff uncovered11:13
pittioh, and I guess I'm the natural choice for langpack processing :)11:14
cjwatsonevery so often somebody has to clean up crap on drescher because soyuz doesn't clean up the queues automatically yet. I'm happy to do that11:14
Mithrandirnobody's grabbed promotions/demotions, but that's not really much work.11:14
pittiright, I'm happy to demote stuff :)11:14
Mithrandirsyncs - pitti, seb11:15
Mithrandirsource new - pitti11:15
Mithrandirbinary new - seb,11:15
Mithrandirremovals - pitti, seb11:15
Mithrandirsru - pitti11:15
Mithrandirpromotions/demotions -11:15
Mithrandirlangpacks - pitti, cjwatson11:15
Mithrandirbackports - seb, cjwatson11:15
Mithrandirfreeze stuff - tfheen11:15
Mithrandircleanup - cjwatson11:15
Mithrandiris what I have so far.11:15
Mithrandir(I haven't put me in yet)11:15
MithrandirI'll do NEW.11:15
pittiMithrandir: put me in for promotions/demotions (and maybe seb, too)11:16
MithrandirI can help out with SRUs too11:17
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Mithrandirthat leaves us with two people for all of it, except freeze stuff and cleanup.11:17
pittiok, but cleanup doesn't need to be done that often, or does it?11:18
pittithis stuff is mainly useful for ensuring that the archive stuff keeps being done even if someone is on vac11:18
Mithrandiryup11:19
pittiMithrandir: I'm not sure whether it's a good idea to have several people for freeze exceptions -- how much work is it?11:19
Mithrandirnot much work, and it ties very closely in with doing the release management.11:19
Mithrandirso I'm happy to have that alone.  It shouldn't matter except when we're in freeze mode, in which case the RM should be around anyway. :-)11:20
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pittiok, are we settled with that?11:20
Mithrandir(and if I happen to go sick or something, somebody else will have to do the RM-ing and can then just pick up the exceptions too)11:20
Mithrandiryes, I am.11:20
Mithrandirseb128,cjwatson : are you two too happy?11:21
pittiwhat's the matrix now?11:21
seb128yep11:21
Mithrandirsyncs - pitti, seb11:21
Mithrandirsource new - pitti, tfheen11:21
Mithrandirbinary new - seb, tfheen11:21
Mithrandirremovals - pitti, seb11:21
Mithrandirsru - pitti, tfheen11:21
Mithrandirpromotions/demotions - pitti, seb11:21
Mithrandirlangpacks - pitti, cjwatson11:21
Mithrandirbackports - seb, cjwatson11:21
Mithrandirfreeze stuff - tfheen11:21
Mithrandircleanup - cjwatson11:21
pittigreat11:21
pittiand of those, syncs, new, sru, backports, and pro/demotions need to be done regularly, AFAICS11:22
seb128looks fine to me11:22
pittiso, personally I find it better and more efficient to batch things, so if it's my archive day, I'd do all of my tasks in one piece11:22
Mithrandirok, so on to archive days.11:22
pittiso is everyone fine with doing archive maintenance on mon, wed, and fri?11:23
pitti(since the regular tasks cover three archive maintainers)11:23
pittithen we shouldn't crash into each other and spread out processing across the week11:23
Mithrandirexperience from this cycle so far points to me having problems doing archive days in release weeks, but other weeks are very archive-heavy.11:23
pittiMithrandir: I think this isn't set in stone, we can always ask someone else to cover11:24
Mithrandirwell, true11:24
pittibut if it's X's archive day, it should be his responsibility to get it done or delegated?11:24
Mithrandirand if I grabbed monday, it should be fine anyway.11:24
pittiseb128: so maybe wed for you and fri for me?11:25
seb128wed works fine for me11:25
Mithrandirok, let's make it so.11:25
pittiok, then I'll do the pending stuff today11:25
pittiwhile seb is still collecting logins and team memberships11:25
Mithrandirpitti: please don't do binary NEW until herd 3 is out.11:25
Mithrandiror at least not for stuff in main.11:25
pittiMithrandir: right, just syncs and sru today11:25
Mithrandiryeah, that's fine.11:26
pittithe syncs will just land in unapproved, right?11:26
Mithrandirhmm11:26
pittiI won't touch promotion/demotion either11:26
MithrandirI'm unsure, actually.11:26
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Mithrandirso try not to sync stuff in main today?11:26
pittiMithrandir: ok, let's defer syncs as well11:26
Mithrandirthanks.11:26
pittiright, so no main processing today to be on the safe side11:26
pittialright, that covers it for my part11:27
pittieveryone happy?11:27
seb128yep11:27
pittigreat11:27
pittiseb128: what do you still need to actually get going?11:27
seb128what do you mean?11:27
seb128ah11:27
pitticjwatson: could we do the langpack training sometimes soon? fixing dapper is kind of urgent11:27
pittiseb128: drescher login, sudo powers, team membership11:28
Mithrandiralso, I'm happy to help out if there are questions or stuff which is unclear.11:28
seb128I need a drescher account with sudo powers on it11:28
seb128Colin sent a RT for it yesterday11:28
pittiseb128: ok; we have mon and friday covered, so that's ok for now, I think11:28
seb128right11:28
cjwatsonMithrandir: I'm happy11:28
pittiseb128: btw, I recently updated the ArchiveAdmin page with my new flush-syncs tool11:29
Mithrandirok, coolie.11:29
seb128pitti: good ;)11:29
Mithrandirany other business?11:29
seb128nop11:29
pittiMithrandir: just langpack training for me with Colin, nothing else11:29
cjwatsonI think syncs go straight through, for the record11:29
cjwatsonthough I'd need to check whether the sync policy honours freeze status11:29
pittiok, so better not touch main at all today11:29
pittiI'll just do SRUs today then11:30
cjwatsonso, langpacks11:30
cjwatsonobviously you first have to get them over to drescher somehow11:30
pittiMithrandir: shall I mail ubuntu-devel-announce with the assignments and schedule or do you want to?11:30
pitticjwatson: right, scp -r or rsync, I assume11:30
Mithrandirpitti: I can do it11:31
cjwatsonthen, as lp_queue, make a directory in ~lp_queue/manual-queue/incoming/11:31
cjwatson(like syncs, make it unique somehow - username + date is good)11:31
cjwatsondump all the uploads in there11:31
cjwatsonthen, still as lp_queue: NOMAILS=-M ~/manual-queue/process-incoming.sh11:32
cjwatsonthe NOMAILS bit is important obviously11:32
cjwatsonit'll spam your terminal for about a week11:32
cjwatsonthen as lp_archive you'll need to approve them all in the relevant unapproved queue11:32
cjwatsonq -s dapper-proposed -Q unapproved -M accept language-pack11:33
cjwatsonagain the -M is important11:33
cjwatsonand again it'll spam your terminal for about a week11:33
cjwatsonyou can use DRYRUN='-N -K' (for process-incoming.sh) or -N (for queue) to dry-run if you like11:34
cjwatsonthough I only ever bother for a subset of language packs since there are so many11:34
cjwatsonpitti: happy with that?11:34
pitticjwatson: doesn't look too complicated11:34
pitticjwatson: thank you; I'll try it out for dapper now and come back to you if there should be any trouble11:35
cjwatsonyeah, it's simple enough, just hard to work out11:35
pitti10:39:18 INFO    Announcing to dapper-changes@lists.ubuntu.com11:39
pitticjwatson: ^ shall I take this seriously if I specified NOMALS=M?11:40
pittiNOMAILS=-M even11:40
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cjwatsonpitti: it should say something like "would be sending a mail"11:41
cjwatsonthe debug output is a bit dodgy in places11:41
pittiat least I didn't get any mails to -changes so far11:41
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