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[12:25] @schedule madrid [12:25] Schedule for Europe/Madrid: Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | 05 Feb 21:00: Mozilla Team | 07 Feb 13:00: Edubuntu | 08 Feb 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Feb 17:00: Forum Council | 13 Feb 21:00: Technical Board === Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [12:26] what's it? === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 05 Feb 20:00 UTC: Mozilla Team | 07 Feb 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 08 Feb 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Feb 16:00 UTC: Forum Council | 13 Feb 20:00 UTC: Technical Board | 14 Feb 10:00 UTC: MOTU === jenda [n=jenda@ubuntu/member/jenda] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ereminii [n=chegueva@cpc3-nott8-0-0-cust767.nott.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === nats [n=natsuyo@196.203.245.128] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@adsl-221-77-18.rmo.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === kylem [i=kyle@fruit.freedesktop.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] [01:06] @topic === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seeker` [n=cjo20@195-112-20-245.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-95-233.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === givre [n=Florent@APuteaux-152-1-95-233.w90-2.abo.wanadoo.fr] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === j_ack_ [n=rudi@p508DA6F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pochu [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === pochu [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === illovae [n=illovae@uni14-1-82-233-221-131.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Rinchen [n=Rinchen@ubuntu/member/rinchen] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === BuffaloSoldier [n=integral@ubuntu/member/BuffaloSoldier] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === lfittl [n=lfittl@83.64.250.38] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === wasabi_ [n=wasabi@ubuntu/member/wasabi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 05 Feb 20:00 UTC: Mozilla Team | 07 Feb 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 08 Feb 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Feb 22:00 UTC: LoCo Teams | 13 Feb 16:00 UTC: Forum Council | 13 Feb 20:00 UTC: Technical Board === Huahua [n=hua@122.0.228.36] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === krampo [n=krampo@krampis.cs.fmf.lu.lv] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === krampo [n=krampo@krampis.cs.fmf.lu.lv] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === buxy [n=nnnnnnnn@arrakeen.ouaza.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure_ [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F73D82.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === mvo [n=egon@p54A67251.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:05] seb128, Mithrandir: so, as I said I did syncs, removals, and SRU now; SRU takes quite a lot of time, but I'm fine with doing some source NEW as well [11:06] should we discuss the agenda first? :-) [11:06] ok :) [11:06] - assign responsibilities [11:06] * archive team days [11:06] - work out archive days schedule [11:06] ? [11:06] yeah, I guess those are the important ones. [11:07] so what do we need to do: syncs, source new, binary new, removals, cruft, sru, promotions/demotions [11:07] anything else? [11:08] oh, backports [11:08] yeah, and freeze exceptions at one point, but I'll in general be happy to take those. [11:08] stable updates? [11:09] == sru [11:09] ah, right [11:09] Mithrandir: right, freeze exceptions are RMish [11:09] ok, so what would people like to do? [11:10] I'm happy to do syncs, binary new, removals [11:10] <- sru, syncs, removals, help with source new (but this should be done by several people) [11:10] also you *will* be asked to investigate weird shit :-) [11:10] I can keep on doing cruft and the odd bit of other stuff [11:11] seb128: you often need main promotion as well, I guess? [11:11] and backports I suppose, though I'd like not to be the only one [11:11] pitti: right [11:12] I'm happy to help on backports as well [11:12] is somebody taking minutes? [11:12] I am [11:12] cjwatson: I'll send a report [11:12] oh, ok [11:13] Mithrandir: so you do freeze exceptions and also source new? [11:13] yes, I'm trying to write up a matrix here to see if there's stuff uncovered [11:14] oh, and I guess I'm the natural choice for langpack processing :) [11:14] every so often somebody has to clean up crap on drescher because soyuz doesn't clean up the queues automatically yet. I'm happy to do that [11:14] nobody's grabbed promotions/demotions, but that's not really much work. [11:14] right, I'm happy to demote stuff :) [11:15] syncs - pitti, seb [11:15] source new - pitti [11:15] binary new - seb, [11:15] removals - pitti, seb [11:15] sru - pitti [11:15] promotions/demotions - [11:15] langpacks - pitti, cjwatson [11:15] backports - seb, cjwatson [11:15] freeze stuff - tfheen [11:15] cleanup - cjwatson [11:15] is what I have so far. [11:15] (I haven't put me in yet) [11:15] I'll do NEW. [11:16] Mithrandir: put me in for promotions/demotions (and maybe seb, too) [11:17] I can help out with SRUs too === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:17] that leaves us with two people for all of it, except freeze stuff and cleanup. [11:18] ok, but cleanup doesn't need to be done that often, or does it? [11:18] this stuff is mainly useful for ensuring that the archive stuff keeps being done even if someone is on vac [11:19] yup [11:19] Mithrandir: I'm not sure whether it's a good idea to have several people for freeze exceptions -- how much work is it? [11:19] not much work, and it ties very closely in with doing the release management. [11:20] so I'm happy to have that alone. It shouldn't matter except when we're in freeze mode, in which case the RM should be around anyway. :-) === pitti nods [11:20] ok, are we settled with that? [11:20] (and if I happen to go sick or something, somebody else will have to do the RM-ing and can then just pick up the exceptions too) [11:20] yes, I am. [11:21] seb128,cjwatson : are you two too happy? [11:21] what's the matrix now? [11:21] yep [11:21] syncs - pitti, seb [11:21] source new - pitti, tfheen [11:21] binary new - seb, tfheen [11:21] removals - pitti, seb [11:21] sru - pitti, tfheen [11:21] promotions/demotions - pitti, seb [11:21] langpacks - pitti, cjwatson [11:21] backports - seb, cjwatson [11:21] freeze stuff - tfheen [11:21] cleanup - cjwatson [11:21] great [11:22] and of those, syncs, new, sru, backports, and pro/demotions need to be done regularly, AFAICS [11:22] looks fine to me [11:22] so, personally I find it better and more efficient to batch things, so if it's my archive day, I'd do all of my tasks in one piece [11:22] ok, so on to archive days. [11:23] so is everyone fine with doing archive maintenance on mon, wed, and fri? [11:23] (since the regular tasks cover three archive maintainers) [11:23] then we shouldn't crash into each other and spread out processing across the week [11:23] experience from this cycle so far points to me having problems doing archive days in release weeks, but other weeks are very archive-heavy. [11:24] Mithrandir: I think this isn't set in stone, we can always ask someone else to cover [11:24] well, true [11:24] but if it's X's archive day, it should be his responsibility to get it done or delegated? [11:24] and if I grabbed monday, it should be fine anyway. [11:25] seb128: so maybe wed for you and fri for me? [11:25] wed works fine for me [11:25] ok, let's make it so. [11:25] ok, then I'll do the pending stuff today [11:25] while seb is still collecting logins and team memberships [11:25] pitti: please don't do binary NEW until herd 3 is out. [11:25] or at least not for stuff in main. [11:25] Mithrandir: right, just syncs and sru today [11:26] yeah, that's fine. [11:26] the syncs will just land in unapproved, right? [11:26] hmm [11:26] I won't touch promotion/demotion either [11:26] I'm unsure, actually. === hoora_214 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-d1dcf8e49694e9d1] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:26] so try not to sync stuff in main today? [11:26] Mithrandir: ok, let's defer syncs as well [11:26] thanks. [11:26] right, so no main processing today to be on the safe side [11:27] alright, that covers it for my part [11:27] everyone happy? [11:27] yep [11:27] great [11:27] seb128: what do you still need to actually get going? [11:27] what do you mean? [11:27] ah [11:27] cjwatson: could we do the langpack training sometimes soon? fixing dapper is kind of urgent [11:28] seb128: drescher login, sudo powers, team membership [11:28] also, I'm happy to help out if there are questions or stuff which is unclear. [11:28] I need a drescher account with sudo powers on it [11:28] Colin sent a RT for it yesterday [11:28] seb128: ok; we have mon and friday covered, so that's ok for now, I think [11:28] right [11:28] Mithrandir: I'm happy [11:29] seb128: btw, I recently updated the ArchiveAdmin page with my new flush-syncs tool [11:29] ok, coolie. [11:29] pitti: good ;) [11:29] any other business? [11:29] nop [11:29] Mithrandir: just langpack training for me with Colin, nothing else [11:29] I think syncs go straight through, for the record [11:29] though I'd need to check whether the sync policy honours freeze status [11:29] ok, so better not touch main at all today [11:30] I'll just do SRUs today then [11:30] so, langpacks [11:30] obviously you first have to get them over to drescher somehow [11:30] Mithrandir: shall I mail ubuntu-devel-announce with the assignments and schedule or do you want to? [11:30] cjwatson: right, scp -r or rsync, I assume [11:31] pitti: I can do it [11:31] then, as lp_queue, make a directory in ~lp_queue/manual-queue/incoming/ [11:31] (like syncs, make it unique somehow - username + date is good) [11:31] dump all the uploads in there [11:32] then, still as lp_queue: NOMAILS=-M ~/manual-queue/process-incoming.sh [11:32] the NOMAILS bit is important obviously [11:32] it'll spam your terminal for about a week [11:32] then as lp_archive you'll need to approve them all in the relevant unapproved queue [11:33] q -s dapper-proposed -Q unapproved -M accept language-pack [11:33] again the -M is important [11:33] and again it'll spam your terminal for about a week [11:34] you can use DRYRUN='-N -K' (for process-incoming.sh) or -N (for queue) to dry-run if you like [11:34] though I only ever bother for a subset of language packs since there are so many [11:34] pitti: happy with that? [11:34] cjwatson: doesn't look too complicated [11:35] cjwatson: thank you; I'll try it out for dapper now and come back to you if there should be any trouble [11:35] yeah, it's simple enough, just hard to work out [11:39] 10:39:18 INFO Announcing to dapper-changes@lists.ubuntu.com [11:40] cjwatson: ^ shall I take this seriously if I specified NOMALS=M? 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