[12:13] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:16] <coNP> hi sistpoty 
[12:16] <sistpoty> hi coNP
[12:17] <ScottK> Hi sistpoty.
[12:17] <sistpoty> hi ScottK
[12:17] <coNP> sistpoty: I tried out what you suggested, concerning bug 82436, however recommends is not enough, because recommended packages are not installed by default (neither by gnome-app-install)
[12:17] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82436 in wesnoth "wesnoth-all meta-package request (for gnome-app-install)" [Unknown,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82436
[12:18] <sistpoty> coNP: recommends still aren't installed by default? I though this spec would have been implemented some time ago :/
[12:20] <coNP> not by apt-get nor gnome-app-installer
[12:20] <sistpoty> coNP: however I still think recommends is the saner way than to add a meta-package...
[12:21] <coNP> sistpoty: sure, but what to do if I want that packages to be installed
[12:24] <sistpoty> coNP: the package manager *should* provide a mechanism for the recommends, so this would then be not a bug of wesnoth
[12:26] <sistpoty> lol, now this is a funny (C) entry: Copyright (C) 2001 Queen of England
[12:31] <TheMuso> sistpoty: lol
[01:09] <Toadstool> gar, I hate LP polls system...
[01:10] <ajmitch> everyone does
[01:10] <ajmitch> I suppose we'd better start voting for the council
[01:10] <Toadstool> already done :)
[01:13] <Toadstool> hurry up, only 13 days left !
[01:14] <ajmitch> bah
[01:14] <ajmitch> oh, andrew mitchell
[01:15] <Toadstool> hehe
[01:15] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[01:15] <TheMuso> hahaha
[01:16] <ajmitch> people still have a couple of days
[01:16] <Fujitsu> Almost a week, in fact.
[01:16] <ajmitch> it shouldn't start until about 2 hours before UVF
[01:16] <Fujitsu> Hahaha
[01:17] <crimsun> or 2 hours after UVF. :-)
[01:17] <ajmitch> more likely
[01:17] <TheMuso> heh
[01:17] <ajmitch> crimsun: you're ready & willing to stand for the council?
[01:17] <crimsun> must be an imposter
[01:18] <ajmitch> I feared as much
[01:19] <shawarma> Fujitsu: I've got a packaging marathon planned this weekend. :-) 
[01:20] <Toadstool> what's that? running ~42 kms with a laptop while packaging?
[01:20] <ajmitch> Toadstool: it's easier if you use something like one of those new nokia devices
[01:20] <Toadstool> that's cheating :)
[01:21] <shawarma> Toadstool: Close. We've got a 24 hour free software hacking session at the university. I'm going to spend my time catching up on packaging.
[01:21] <Fujitsu> A laptop? That's crazy! You need to carry a desktop!
[01:21] <Toadstool> with a 21" CRT?
[01:21] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: ssh 
[01:21] <Fujitsu> Toadstool, yep.
[01:21] <shawarma> http://www.digitalfog.com/gallery/PortableComputer.jpg
[01:22] <shawarma> That's a classic. :-)
[01:22] <ajmitch> shame it refuses direct links
[01:22] <shawarma> ajmitch: Really? http://www.digitalfog.com/gallery/portablecomputer.htm
[01:22] <shawarma> Better?
[01:22] <Fujitsu> Gah!
[01:23] <Fujitsu> What a great beryl version number:
[01:23] <Fujitsu> 0.1.9999.1~0beryl1
[01:23] <Fujitsu> (That's 0.2.0rc1)
[01:23] <shawarma> Yeah, i don't get that either. They're actually using ~'s, so why not 0.2~rc1?
[01:24] <Fujitsu> Exactly what I thought.
[01:24] <Fujitsu> If they didn't know about ~, it might be reasonable.
[01:25] <crimsun> I scolded Trevino, but he didn't understand 0.2~rc1-0ubuntu1, apparently.
[01:25] <shawarma> Kids.. 
[01:25] <shawarma> :-)
[01:26] <ajmitch> heh
[01:27] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[01:28] <shawarma> crimsun: Thanks for your help with the aoss stuff, by the way. I got it working. 
[01:30] <ajmitch> Hobbsee!!
[01:31] <shawarma> crimsun: I have now succesfully reencoded one of those nasty DRM-infested WMA things to ogg by way of VirtualBox, WinXP, ALSA/OSS emulation, the alsa file plugin, mplayer and oggenc. Wicked!
[01:32] <Hobbsee> ajmitch!!!
[01:32] <shawarma> I had to install WinXP to do it, but I got rid of the crappy DRM stuff. I can't really figure out the karma in that..
[01:33] <crimsun> shawarma: :-)
[01:35] <crimsun> hmm, does it make sense to be able to approve or disapprove $self in those polls?
[01:36] <shawarma> Goodnight, guys!
[01:36] <shawarma> and Hobsee.
[01:36] <shawarma> :-)
[01:36] <crimsun> 'night
[01:38] <Hobbsee> hey shawarma.  night!
[01:38] <Hobbsee> crimsun: in which polls?
[01:39] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Read ubuntu-motu@.
[01:40] <ajmitch> crimsun: the poll info is arbitrary, not tied to a person
[01:40] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: the MOTU council one?
[01:40] <ajmitch> they just happen to have names
[01:40] <TheMuso> Hobbsee: Yep.
[01:46] <TheMuso> It would be better if it/c
[01:46] <TheMuso> It would be better if it had more election style polls.
[01:46] <ajmitch> sure
[01:46] <TheMuso> haha
[01:46] <ajmitch> polls on LP suck
[01:46] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, so it can't possibly be traced to you.
[01:46] <TheMuso> Fujitsu: Point.
[01:47] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: that doesn't explain why I need to enter some random string to get access to my votes again
[01:47] <ajmitch> classic quote
[01:47] <ajmitch> 23:57 < sabdfl> oh for heavens sake!
[01:47] <ajmitch> 23:57 < sabdfl> the poll system is driving *me* nuts
[01:47] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, yes it does.
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Heheh, yeah.
[01:47] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, how else can it track the votes?
[01:48] <geser> ajmitch: LP seems to only know you voted but not how
[01:48] <Fujitsu> geser, of course. That's how it
[01:48] <Fujitsu> *it's secret.
[01:48] <ajmitch> it can track how we voted, just not show it anywhere
[01:48] <Fujitsu> But then the LP people can see it.
[01:48] <ajmitch> big deal :)
[01:51] <geser> Fujitsu: if the LP people can see how each motu voted why this secret keys?
[01:51] <Fujitsu> geser, the point is, with the secret keys they /can't/ see it.
[01:51] <Fujitsu> That's the whole point.
[01:52] <Fujitsu> Without them (ie. a public or semi-secret poll) they can.
[01:58] <geser> crimsun: the upload of php4-yaz for dapper-updates you sponsored in sep 2006 got rejected now (bug 58564)
[01:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 58564 in php4-yaz "php4-yaz won't install (broken dependency)" [Medium,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/58564
[02:00] <zul> whats the url again for the voting?
[02:02] <geser> zul: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+polls
[02:05] <crimsun> geser: what was the rationale?
[02:05] <geser> there was none in that e-mail
[02:06] <crimsun> hmm. I presume it's because we didn't go through dapper-proposed.
[02:07] <geser> did it exist in sep 2006 already?
[02:07] <crimsun> no idea, but let's do it now.
[02:08] <crimsun> we likely didn't have motu-sru in sept '06
[02:10] <geser> I'd open a sru bug for it but I don't have a dapper system (or chroot) to test the package
[02:19] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[02:19] <crimsun> slomo: HAL issue should be fixed now [http://hg-mirror.alsa-project.org/alsa-kernel?cs=fc216dd0eb92 ] 
[02:27] <gnomefreak> crimsun: good luck going for motu-council
[02:28] <crimsun> thanks
[02:29] <zul> there should be like a debate or something....ooh...attack ads
[02:29] <ajmitch> sure
[02:29] <ajmitch> what do you want people to debate?
[02:29] <ajmitch> and I suppose you want election speeches & all
[02:29] <zul> damn straight
[02:30] <zul> wohoo..
[02:54] <TheMuso> haha
[03:14] <ScottK> This is OT, but an interesting vector for security issues that I wouldn't have thought of ..  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6320865.stm - voice commands.
[03:19] <DarkMageZ> hmm, that would be fun
[03:20] <DarkMageZ> the riaa would just release some fake torrents with commands to delete all mp3s
[03:21] <DarkMageZ> the problem tho would be since the voice software has to be trained to that particular persons voice. getting a voice to work against that persons voice profile would be alittle challenging
[03:25] <DarkMageZ> luckily ubuntu doesn't do any voice stuff that i know of :)
[03:26] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:27] <TheMuso> Heya bddebian.
[03:28] <bddebian> Hi TheMuso
[03:35] <ajmitch> hello bddebian 
[03:36] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[04:52] <ScottK> Seems like a quiet night.
[04:52] <bddebian> No kidding eh? :-)
[04:58] <imbrandon> scarry
[04:58] <imbrandon> rm debian/patches/sparc-asm.patch
[04:58] <imbrandon> err
[04:58] <ScottK> Herd 3 freeze is maybe a little demotivating....
[04:59] <imbrandon> ScottK, its only for main ( and only for a day or two )
[04:59] <imbrandon> no reason to stop universe
[04:59] <imbrandon> or main for that matter
[05:00] <imbrandon> just have to wait to upload
[05:00] <ScottK> Understand, just trying to figure out why it's so quiet.
[05:00] <imbrandon> lots of times its quite in here ;)
[05:08] <imbrandon> hrm
[05:08] <imbrandon> who wants to figure out an archive problem?
[05:08] <imbrandon> heh
[05:08] <imbrandon> libgpod is in depwait for python-eyed3 but is built
[05:09] <imbrandon> puzzled*
[05:09] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon 
[05:09] <ajmitch> what's up?
[05:09] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[05:09] <crimsun> imbrandon: note eyed3's component.
[05:10] <imbrandon> i need the newer libgpod for amarok 1.4.5 that i'm packaging now
[05:10] <imbrandon> but its waiting on python-eyed3
[05:10] <imbrandon> for some strange reason
[05:10] <imbrandon> crimsun, huhu ?
[05:10] <crimsun> i.e., it will depwait until eyed3 completes its publisher run for main promotion.
[05:10] <ajmitch> which means until someone pushes it hard into main
[05:11] <imbrandon> ouch 
[05:11] <imbrandon> hum ok
[05:11] <ajmitch> the People Who Care have a list of these packages for this reason
[05:11] <imbrandon> i wonder if whomever uploaded did a MIR etc
[05:11] <TheMuso> Hey imbrandon.
[05:11] <ajmitch> but tollef has been a little busy with herd3
[05:11] <imbrandon> heya TheMuso 
[05:11] <TheMuso> Just a bit.
[05:12] <imbrandon> understandable
[05:12] <imbrandon> man i come back from my packageing heiatus to full blown amarok only to be stoped in my tracks
[05:12] <imbrandon> lol
[05:12] <ajmitch> that's ok
[05:13] <ajmitch> you can work on other stuff
[05:13] <ajmitch> get to it
[05:13] <imbrandon> true
[05:13] <crimsun> imbrandon: yes, it has been. Again, it's waiting for the promotion. [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportEyed3 ] 
[05:13] <imbrandon> rockin crimsun thanks
[05:15] <ajmitch> only got about 30 open sync requests from me at the moment
[05:15] <TheMuso> ajmitch: I can do those as well if you want.
[05:15] <imbrandon> i just hated when the build said ...... 
[05:15] <imbrandon>  = The following extra functionality will NOT be included:
[05:15] <imbrandon>  =   - MP4/AAC Tag Write Support
[05:15] <imbrandon>  =   - iPod Support (at least libgpod 0.4.2 is required)
[05:15] <ajmitch> far more than 30 packages on the list :)
[05:15] <imbrandon> that stoped me hehe
[05:15] <bddebian> Go ajmitch, go ajmitch
[05:15] <ajmitch> TheMuso: hm, maybe
[05:15] <imbrandon> mp4 is normal but no ipod is a no no
[05:16] <ajmitch> TheMuso: it means checking all the time to see if you've tested/requested sync, and I don't have a comments field yet to mark stuff about a package
[05:16] <TheMuso> right
[05:16] <ajmitch> I figured a quick way to add one, I might do that tomorrow
[05:16] <imbrandon> ajmitch, to the merges list ?
[05:16] <imbrandon> or yours?
[05:16] <ajmitch> to my list
[05:16] <imbrandon> ahh
[05:20] <ajmitch> how could I add stuff to the merge list? :)
[05:20] <imbrandon> poke scott
[05:20] <imbrandon> hehe
[05:21] <ajmitch> yeah, very likely
[05:22] <crimsun> git checkout -b hda-fixes
[05:22] <crimsun> oops
[05:28] <bddebian> Anyone have a second to see what I did wrong with my gtk-gnutella on REVU?
[07:08] <zakame> would #29802 be fit for sru?
[07:36] <ScottK> Bug #29802?
[07:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 29802 in mysql-admin "MySQL Administrator Locks when trying to do User Administration" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/29802
[07:37] <Fujitsu> zakame, I'd like it to happen.
[07:37] <Fujitsu> How big is the change?
[07:38] <zakame> Fujitsu: I've yet to check
[08:30] <zakame> can wlassistant 0.5.6 still make it? (bug #76775)
[08:30] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 76775 in wlassistant "package request: wlassistant 0.5.6" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/76775
[08:32] <StevenK> It isn't UVF yet
[08:32] <zakame> I'm also planning to add some run-parts support for /etc/network/if-{,pre-}{up,down}.d/
[08:48] <lucas> ajmitch: TheMuso: I'll mail ubuntu-motu@ later today with a list of FTBFS and piuparts failures
[08:48] <lucas> I generated those during the night
[08:49] <zakame> lucas: cool work :)
[08:54] <Fujitsu> lucas: Where do you get the computing power to do it!?
[08:54] <zakame> allee: still packaging wlassistant 0.5.6?
[08:55] <zakame> left brain, or right?
[08:55] <lucas> Fujitsu: at $DAY_JOB ;)
[08:55] <allee> zakame: not today.  I did not came very far, distracted by digikam errors
[08:55] <Fujitsu> A whole lot of PCs, or one really big one?
[08:56] <lucas> I'm a phd student in lab that participates in a project called grid'5000
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Aha,
[08:56] <zakame> allee: I'm gonna try my hand at it, and add some run-parts integration too
[08:56] <lucas> the plan is to build an experimental computer grid, so there's ~2000 bi-opteron nodes available
[08:56] <allee> zakame: great.  Go on
[08:56] <zakame> I'd like to see it run /etc/network/ scripts
[08:56] <zakame> thanks
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Hm, I've got 200x AMD64 2800+ (and above) at my disposal.
[08:57] <zakame> zomg
[08:57] <lucas> heh, where from ?
[08:57] <allee> zakame: can you reassign in launchpad?
[08:57] <Fujitsu> School.
[08:58] <zakame> allee: sure
[08:58] <allee> zakame: I'll merge back to debian.  So next time it's easier to merge (or no merge at all)
[08:59] <zakame> debian's still at 0.5.5-1, I think a ping on them is needed :)
[09:00] <allee> zakame: wlassistant is in the debian's alioth svn there I can commit ;)  
[09:01] <zakame> cool
[09:01] <zakame> no need for reportbug then :)
[09:02] <allee> zakame: yeap, just ping me
[09:05] <zakame> thanks :)
[09:29] <dholbach> good morning
[09:29] <imbrandon> moins dholbach 
[09:29] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[10:30] <\sh> moins
[11:39] <imbrandon> heya \sh
[11:53] <ajmitch> lucas: thanks for the rebuild & piuparts run
[11:53] <ajmitch> how long does it take to run it all?
[11:54] <TheMuso> what is piuports?
[11:54] <ajmitch> tests installability/cleanliness of a package
[11:55] <ajmitch> installs in a chroot, sees what's left over afterwards
[11:55] <ajmitch> plus upgrading, etc
[11:56] <TheMuso> ah
[11:59] <ajmitch> lucas: it'd be great if you could rerun this in a week or two
[12:03] <TheMuso> ah but thats from edgy
[12:07] <imbrandon> ugh
[12:07] <ajmitch> whoever's handling syncs this week will hate me
[12:15] <Adri2000> hi
[12:16] <lionel> hi Adri2000
[12:16] <TheMuso> Hey Adri2000.
[12:16] <imbrandon> lol ajmitch , gonna give them a workout?
[12:17] <ajmitch> imbrandon: certainly
[12:21] <\sh> hmm..I'm trying to build some of lukas list
[12:22] <\sh> on amd64 to make it more difficult ,-)
[12:23] <\sh> the problem is for me, to determine from lucas' mail, which arch he used...
[12:23] <TheMuso> \sh: The build log has nothing?
[12:24] <\sh> TheMuso: which build log? LPs build log e.g. for aqsis says: it's build on all archs
[12:24] <\sh> so I wonder
[12:24] <TheMuso> There are build logs of all the FTBFS packages.
[12:24] <ajmitch> it looks like he used x86
[12:24] <TheMuso> If you follow the link that Lucus gave, there is an ubuntu-rebuild directory.
[12:25] <\sh> well, I don't trust those list...
[12:25] <\sh> btw: aqsis 
[12:25] <\sh> DC-Build-Header: aqsis 1.1.0.20050815-4ubuntu1 / Thu Feb 01 22:10:37 +0100 2007
[12:25] <\sh> E: /etc/schroot/schroot.conf: line 1: Invalid line: "
[12:25] <\sh> Can't close schroot pipe at /usr/share/perl5/Sbuild/Chroot.pm line 125.
[12:25] <\sh> DC-Build-Status: Failed 0.819075s
[12:25] <ajmitch> if you don't trust them, don't use them
[12:25] <\sh> DC-Time-Estimation: 0.819075 versus expected 32000 (r/m: 39067.461374111 ; m: 0.819075)
[12:25] <\sh> wonderful if you have broken buildds
[12:25] <ajmitch> heh, see apport's build log
[12:26] <ajmitch> there are a few with broken chroots
[12:26] <\sh> yes, that's why you can throw the result away...and lets trust lp when we rebuild our full archive
[12:26] <ajmitch> in about 6 weeks time
[12:27] <\sh> or use parallel pbuilder with distcc ,->
[12:27] <ajmitch> or more
[12:31] <\sh> shermann@LT420:~/test$ cat test.txt |awk '{print $6}'|grep -e "^1k"|wc -l
[12:31] <\sh> 198
[12:31] <ajmitch> not bad
[12:31] <\sh> 198 packages you can throw away because of broken buildd
[12:31] <\sh> shermann@LT420:~/test$ cat test.txt |awk '{print $6}'|grep -ve "^1k"|wc -l
[12:31] <\sh> 473
[12:32] <\sh> 473 packages with something else
[12:32] <ajmitch> so nearly 1/3 failure just because of buildds
[12:32] <\sh> jepp
[12:33] <\sh> http://people.debian.org/~lucas/logs/2007/02/01/ubuntu-rebuild/
[12:33] <ajmitch> TheMuso: 198 package builds failed due to broken sbuild/schroot config
[12:33] <\sh> all logs with "1k" size are there, because of a broken sbuild config
[12:33] <imbrandon> ls -l
[12:33] <imbrandon> grr
[12:33] <ajmitch> imbrandon: better than your password
[12:33] <imbrandon> true
[12:33] <TheMuso> ajmitch: Ah.
[12:35] <Adri2000> ajmitch: I have already requested a sync for openser
[12:35] <ajmitch> oh well
[12:35] <ajmitch> Adri2000: are you merging blam or not?
[12:35] <Adri2000> already uploaded
[12:35] <ajmitch> ok
[12:35] <\sh> then we have some shit with apt-get
[12:36] <TheMuso> Just checking if it can be synced.
[01:03] <Kano> hi, 915resolution should be updated
[01:04] <Kano> because i need it installable without intel chipset
[01:04] <ajmitch> file a bug then
[01:04] <Kano> ATI chipset detected.  915resolution only works with Intel 800/900 series graphic chipsets.
[01:04] <Kano> invoke-rc.d: initscript 915resolution, action "start" failed.
[01:04] <Kano> apt-get install -f
[01:05] <Kano> even fails in circles...
[01:05] <Fujitsu> I'm sure that's been in Feisty for some months.
[01:06] <Kano> i use debian usually
[01:06] <Kano> and there are not so many live cd creators out there it seems
[01:07] <Fujitsu> Indeed, the last email notification for 915resolution I have is 0.5.2-9 in Debian and 0.5.2-9ubuntu1 in Ubuntu. The issue you mentioned was fixed a couple of versions ago, I'm sure.
[01:13] <Kano> invoke-rc.d 915resolution XXX || exit $?
[01:13] <Kano> that is serious problem
[01:14] <Fujitsu> ?
[01:14] <Kano> well try to install that package on a system without intel gfx
[01:15] <Nafallo> why would I even attempt to do that? :-)
[01:15] <Kano> to have it presinstalled
[01:16] <Nafallo> ah
[01:16] <Kano> because i enable it on the fly when needed
[01:16] <Nafallo> why? :-)
[01:16] <Nafallo> there is a new xorg-driver which has modesetting in it...
[01:16] <Kano> i check for i810 driver
[01:16] <Kano> and is that default?
[01:16] <Nafallo> dunno
[01:16] <Fujitsu> No.
[01:16] <Nafallo> I don't use it :-P
[01:16] <Kano> xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting 
[01:17] <Kano> you mean that one
[01:17] <Fujitsu> That's the one.
[01:17] <Nafallo> yepp
[01:18] <Kano> would be an idea
[01:18] <Nafallo> seriously... that's the future
[01:18] <Fujitsu> Kano: What version of 915resolution are you using?
[01:18] <Kano> Fujitsu: maybe i just used a trick to install it before
[01:18] <Kano> not sure right now
[01:18] <Fujitsu> 915resolution (0.5.2-6) unstable; urgency=low
[01:18] <Fujitsu>   * Make sure that the init script exits gracefully in case the chipset
[01:18] <Fujitsu>     is not supported (Closes: #398077) Thanks to David Fox
[01:19] <Kano> 0.5.2-9ubuntu1 and the debian one
[01:23] <Fujitsu> Might it be advisable to stick the FTBFS list into a wiki page, with a comments/status field?
[01:24] <ajmitch> and as \sh found out, about 1/3 of the failed build logs are useless
[01:24] <Fujitsu> Have we got anything better, though?
[01:24] <ajmitch> not yet, going to whip something up this weekend
[01:24] <Fujitsu> Ah, that will be good
[01:24] <ajmitch> since I need to add comments to that rc bugs page
[01:24] <TheMuso> I like mdz's suggestion.
[01:25] <Fujitsu> It is surely not too hard to test-build a couple of hundred package.s
[01:25] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: no it's not, I've done it overnight before
[01:25] <Fujitsu> So we just need to rebuild the failures, so we can get the proper list.
[01:26] <Kano> it gives exit code 2
[01:26] <Kano> on error
[01:26] <Fujitsu> Hm, white's not around (he's the Debian maintainer, and is often here)
[01:29] <Kano> Fujitsu: the problem is, when you use dash you get error code 2
[01:29] <Kano> and when you use bash you get error code 0
[01:29] <Fujitsu> You sure?
[01:29] <Kano> 100%
[01:29] <Fujitsu> That's rather strange.
[01:29] <Fujitsu> What's the code that gives the error?
[01:30] <Kano> it quits before with dash
[01:30] <Kano> + /usr/sbin/915resolution -l
[01:30] <Kano> ATI chipset detected.  915resolution only works with Intel 800/900 series graphic chipsets.
[01:30] <Kano> + bios_list=Intel 800/900 Series VBIOS Hack : version 0.5.2
[01:30] <Kano> thats last with dash
[01:31] <Fujitsu> OK.
[01:31] <Kano> + /usr/sbin/915resolution -l
[01:31] <Kano> + wrong_chipset
[01:31] <Kano> thats going on with bash
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Please report a bug against the Debian package.
[01:31] <Fujitsu> I
[01:31] <Fujitsu> *I'm sure white will fix it soon.
[01:31] <Kano> that problem is specific to dash as sh, so best fixed under ubuntu
[01:31] <Fujitsu> No.
[01:31] <Fujitsu> Best fixed in Debian, to minimise deviance.
[01:31] <geser> I hope to get xmms2 resolved soon: it builds in a pbuilder, it builds in lucas' rebuild but not on the buildds :(
[01:31] <Fujitsu> It's still a bug in the script, not in Ubuntu.
[01:32] <Kano> &>/dev/null
[01:32] <Kano> first thats not allowed for dash
[01:32] <Kano> and thats the error
[01:33] <Kano>  >/dev/null 2>&1
[01:33] <Kano> thats the correct way for dash
[01:33] <Kano> (and of course bash too)
[01:34] <Kano> with that fix it installs correctly
[01:35] <Kano> please change
[01:35] <Fujitsu> No, it's best to fix it in Debian.
[01:35] <Kano> ok, then main the debian maintainer...
[01:35] <Fujitsu> If he refuses, or doesn't respond, then I would do it.
[01:35] <Fujitsu> But we try to minimise deviance from Debian.
[01:36] <Kano> a 1 line change...
[01:36] <Fujitsu> Even so, Debian might like the bug fix.
[01:36] <Fujitsu> And might not like us if we don't forward the change.
[01:36] <Kano> ok, will mail him
[01:36] <Fujitsu> Thankyou.
[01:36] <Fujitsu> Better still, file a bug.
[01:36] <Fujitsu> And thanks for picking this up, I don't think people regularly install it on non-Intel systems.
[01:40] <Kano> i am used for find bashisms already ;)
[01:40] <imbrandon> woot pbuilders done
[01:40] <imbrandon> x86 buildd is "useable" now
[01:41] <imbrandon> for anyone that cares
[01:41] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Nice.
[01:41] <imbrandon> hehe yea TheMuso now you can try it out since your a ubuntu-dev ;)
[01:41] <TheMuso> imbrandon: Yup.
[01:41] <TheMuso> So it our lp username?
[01:41] <TheMuso> ie for me its TheMuso?
[01:42] <imbrandon> yea lp username , uses the sshkey from LP
[01:42] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:42] <imbrandon> and the ip is build.imbrandon.com
[01:42] <ajmitch> imbrandon: good
[01:42] <ajmitch> imbrandon: now I want to do something extra special there :)
[01:42] <TheMuso> I get a prompt
[01:43] <imbrandon> ajmitch, rocking, go for it ajmitch 
[01:43] <imbrandon> breezy dapper edgy feisty and sid are setup
[01:43] <imbrandon> TheMuso, one sec
[01:43] <imbrandon> lemme make sure your user is correct
[01:44] <imbrandon> all lowercase
[01:44] <imbrandon> drwxr-xr-x 3 themuso         ubuntu-dev 160 2007-01-30 20:19 themuso
[01:44] <TheMuso> imbrandon: I'm in
[01:44] <TheMuso> but I was expecting that menu thingy.
[01:44] <imbrandon> you should have access to pbuilder-$dist
[01:44] <imbrandon> yea the menu isnt done yet
[01:44] <imbrandon> brb
[01:45] <ajmitch> imbrandon: the menu will be optional, I hope?
[01:45] <imbrandon> i siad useable not "finished" hehehe
[01:45] <imbrandon> ajmitch, definately
[01:45] <ajmitch> good
[01:45] <ajmitch> I won't want to use it :)
[01:45] <imbrandon> me either
[01:45] <ajmitch> I want to be able to submit build jobs to your systems & get build logs emailed to me
[01:45] <imbrandon> but i still wanna add it for those that do
[01:45] <ajmitch> I already have some tools for it here
[01:45] <imbrandon> ajmitch, rockin
[01:46] <Nafallo> hmm
[01:46] <TheMuso> imbrandon: SO for those who'd rather the prompt, how will we access the systems we want?
[01:46] <ajmitch> yeah, if I can specify which arch to build on it'll be great :)
[01:46] <imbrandon> you can , one sec, i'm on a call for work cant concentrate on both
[01:46] <imbrandon> lol
[01:47] <TheMuso> np
[01:51] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, you certainly should!
[01:52] <imbrandon> heh
[01:52] <Nafallo> ah
[01:52] <Nafallo> local mirror? :-)
[01:52] <imbrandon> Nafallo, yea
[01:53] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: What other archs are planned?
[01:53] <imbrandon> ppc and x86_64
[01:54] <imbrandon> and past that it will have to be donated hardware
[01:54] <imbrandon> as for arm etc if its wanted
[01:54] <TheMuso> Night folks.
[01:54] <imbrandon> gnight TheMuso 
[01:55] <imbrandon> i'll work on some psudo "docs" for it today sometime
[01:55] <imbrandon> it == the buildd's
[01:55] <imbrandon> now that they are useable, maybe not finished but useable
[01:55] <imbrandon> then when ajmitch does some majic on them will be really nice
[01:56] <ajmitch> like what? :)
[01:56] <ajmitch> 'requestbuild foobar amd64' ?
[01:56] <ajmitch> wait a bit & get logs?
[01:56] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:56] <Fujitsu> Mmm, shiny.
[01:56] <ajmitch> should be easy enough to do
[01:57] <ajmitch> hack requestsync, send gpg-signed mail to some email address
[01:57] <ajmitch> use procmail to fire requests off to the buildds
[01:57] <imbrandon> yea , like "ssh $user@amd64:pbuiler-feisty build blah.dsc"
[01:57] <ajmitch> pbuilder --logfile, etc, all done
[01:57] <imbrandon> or soemthing behind the seen
[01:57] <ajmitch> yeah, that's one option
[01:58] <ajmitch> but that doesn't allow for async operations very well
[01:58] <imbrandon> hrm true
[01:58] <ajmitch> or requesting builds of 100 packages at a time
[01:58] <Fujitsu> wanna-build!
[01:58] <ajmitch> which I would tend to do
[01:58] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: sure, I'll look at the options :)
[01:58] <imbrandon> ;)
[01:58] <Fujitsu> That is what wanna-build is designed for, is it not?
[01:58] <ajmitch> more or less
[01:59] <imbrandon> mostly
[01:59] <imbrandon> now i just need to add the ram to that box, finish up the menu
[02:00] <imbrandon> and pub some doc's /  instructions
[02:00] <siretart> hi ajmitch 
[02:00] <ajmitch> since I'm sure you'll want to get multiple machines
[02:00] <siretart> huhu imbrandon 
[02:00] <imbrandon> heya siretart 
[02:00] <ajmitch> hey siretart 
[02:00] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yup yup
[02:00] <ajmitch> how are you?
[02:00] <siretart> ajmitch: I'm at work :)
[02:00] <ajmitch> heh :)
[02:01] <siretart> and you?
[02:01] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yea the pan is to eventualy have 2x each minimum
[02:01] <ajmitch> siretart: do you use wanna-build? 
[02:01] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: Couldn't we have a global MOTU build queue, possibly distributed over multiple sites?
[02:01] <imbrandon> err
[02:01] <ajmitch> siretart: about to go to bed
[02:01] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: that's what I was thinking of, yes
[02:01] <siretart> ajmitch: not yet, but I had it on my list once. what do you want it for?
[02:01] <ajmitch> siretart: MOTU build farm, imbrandon has machines up & running & accounts available
[02:01] <ajmitch> but I want to go beyond that
[02:01] <Fujitsu> A central wanna-build, with a million or two sbuilds running build would be great.
[02:01] <siretart> ajmitch: care to announce your faboulus bug lists?
[02:02] <siretart> ajmitch: I guess we'll get that for free with the personal package archives, no?
[02:02] <Fujitsu> *running builds
[02:02] <ajmitch> siretart: I guess, I was just going through & filing sync requests while I could :)
[02:02] <Fujitsu> siretart, if they ever land, perhaps.
[02:02] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:02] <azeem> I've missed the beginning of the conversation, what are the builders needed for?
[02:02] <imbrandon> siretart, yea but this is by the people for the people ;)
[02:02] <imbrandon> pluss open / free
[02:02] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:02] <ajmitch> siretart: I want to add comments field to it before I announce it more
[02:03] <siretart> ajmitch: ah, I see
[02:03] <Fujitsu> azeem, for those of us who don't wish to carry out lots of builds on our own, slow machines.
[02:03] <Fujitsu> And stuff.
[02:03] <Fujitsu> Or on other archs.
[02:03] <imbrandon> azeem, i did it firstly to give MOTU access to other arches like the debian porter machines
[02:03] <siretart> Fujitsu: so something like debian/experimental for ubuntu/universe?
[02:03] <Fujitsu> siretart, pardon?
[02:04] <siretart> Fujitsu: in debian, we have a 'special' upload target called 'experimental', which is a seperate dak suite from 'unstable'
[02:04] <Fujitsu> Noted.
[02:04] <siretart> Fujitsu: DDs can upload there and have their package built on a special buildd network
[02:04] <Fujitsu> But that's also then published.
[02:04] <siretart> on the official mirror network. right
[02:04] <azeem> ah, ok
[02:05] <ajmitch> hi azeem 
[02:05] <StevenK> Ah. More deception about the experimental buildds
[02:05] <azeem> heya
[02:05] <StevenK> :-P
[02:05] <Fujitsu> StevenK: What deception would this be?
[02:05] <StevenK> Fujitsu: Note the ":-P"
[02:05] <ajmitch> StevenK, full of bitterness & rage :)
[02:05] <azeem> you sound like Barry
[02:05] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[02:06] <StevenK> Me? Sadly, yes
[02:06] <ajmitch> haha
[02:06] <imbrandon> azeem, basicly what it is right now is i have 3 boxes in a DC i work at behind the IP build.imbrandon.com that sync accounts from LP for ubuntu-{,-core}-dev and their sshkeys , with pbuilders setup for all current ubuntu targets , to give all MOTU's access 
[02:07] <imbrandon> but ajmitch ( and me ) have dreams about makin it bigger
[02:07] <imbrandon> kinda akin to the debian porter boxen atm
[02:07] <StevenK> Which arches?
[02:07] <imbrandon> ppc amd64 x86
[02:07] <ajmitch> imbrandon: will there be chroots available for testing stuff?
[02:07] <StevenK> Where's the SPARC? :-P
[02:08] <imbrandon> ajmitch, other than pbuilder-$dist login ?
[02:08] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, pbuilder-[release] 
[02:08] <Fujitsu> *login
[02:08] <imbrandon> StevenK, send me a sparc and i'll rack it
[02:08] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:08] <Fujitsu> Damn, I'm somewhat too tired to type.
[02:08] <Fujitsu> Goodnight, for real this time!
[02:08] <StevenK> % ssh root@e uname -m
[02:08] <imbrandon> gnight Fujitsu 
[02:08] <StevenK> sparc64
[02:08] <StevenK> And it's staying here
[02:08] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:09] <Nafallo> I can't delete from nafallo@aurora:/storage/pbuilders/feisty/result ;-)
[02:09] <imbrandon> Nafallo, ahh yea i probably have to play with the dir perms a bit
[02:09] <imbrandon> i'll fix that up here in a few
[02:09] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yes, easier than that
[02:09] <Nafallo> or make a cron that cleans it out automatically in cron.daily or something :-P
[02:10] <ajmitch> imbrandon: even a simple script on your system to start pbuilder & mail results would be better for me
[02:10] <imbrandon> Nafallo, yea that too 
[02:10] <StevenK> imbrandon: I'd suggest 1775 for /pbuilders/*/result
[02:10] <StevenK> ajmitch: pdebuild | tee file && mail file
[02:10] <ajmitch> StevenK: whatever works, I don't care :)
[02:11] <StevenK> Heh
[02:11] <ajmitch> plus I hate using pdebuild
[02:11] <ajmitch> too many screwed up packages with bad clean: targets
[02:11] <StevenK> Yeah, well
[02:12] <imbrandon> done and done
[02:12] <StevenK> Oh drat, my log cleaner didn't work for my mirror
[02:12] <ajmitch> anyway, I have to go & sleep as well
[02:12] <imbrandon> gnight ajmitch 
[02:12] <ajmitch> night all
[02:13] <StevenK> Ah, it did, it just cleans up 2 months ago
[02:14] <imbrandon> time to make some coffee
[02:14] <StevenK> Ahhh, it does use rm -v, it just doesn't log it. Silly thing.
[02:15] <siretart> imbrandon: cool! thanks for your offer!
[02:16] <imbrandon> siretart, np ;) its been in the works since before UDS
[02:16] <imbrandon> just now getting asrround to makin it happen
[02:17] <StevenK> imbrandon: I'm curious how beefy the machines are.
[02:17] <StevenK> If it's scarily faster than my 3GHz amd64, I'd consider it
[02:17] <imbrandon> the x86 is a model name      : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz with 256mb ram ( 2gb ready to put in just havent been to the DC yet to do it )
[02:18] <imbrandon> the x86_64 is a pent-d 3ghz with 4gb ddr2
[02:18] <StevenK> You lose. :-P
[02:18] <imbrandon> and the ppc is a 800mhz ppc with 640mb ram
[02:18] <imbrandon> the x86_64 is dual core also
[02:18] <StevenK> Ah
[02:19] <imbrandon> heh
[02:19] <StevenK> Like Xnest and installing ubuntu-desktop
[02:19] <imbrandon> hahahaa
[02:19] <StevenK> It's for a good purpose, honest. :-P
[02:19] <StevenK> Does the ssh config allow X11 forwarding?
[02:20] <imbrandon> as of this moment yes, unless it gets abused
[02:20] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:20] <StevenK> I'm not planning on abusing it.
[02:20] <imbrandon> hehe i know
[02:20] <imbrandon> but its good for testing xapps
[02:20] <imbrandon> so i left it on
[02:26] <StevenK> Hrm. Can I jump directly to the ppc?
[02:28] <imbrandon> no its behind nat ( thus the pdmenu i was makin ) but the ppc and 64 are off for the next few hours
[02:28] <imbrandon> i havent put the new switch in
[02:29] <imbrandon> but i am doing that today
[02:29] <StevenK> Gah, I wanted to use the ppc. :-)
[02:29] <imbrandon> hehe give me a few hours ( by the time you wake up )
[02:29] <imbrandon> and it will be up
[02:34] <imbrandon> actualy hrm
[02:34] <imbrandon> i could probably put 2 nics in the webserver and then just run ssh on diffrent ports for the ppc etc
[02:34] <StevenK> Indeed
[02:34] <imbrandon> then you would be able to jump right to them if wished
[02:35] <imbrandon> *thinks*
[02:35] <StevenK> You don't need to run it on different ports, but DNAT from the webserver
[02:35] <imbrandon> DNAT /
[02:35] <imbrandon> ?
[02:35] <StevenK> Beg your hosting provider for /29. :-P
[02:35] <imbrandon> hehe
[02:36] <StevenK> Destination Network Addressing Translation
[02:36] <siretart> imbrandon: if you are really interested in hosting sparcs, I can ask here in the departement, if there is an old one available. however, it won't be fast!
[02:36] <StevenK> siretart: I was yanking imbrandon's chain. :-)
[02:36] <imbrandon> siretart, i dont mind about speed at all, it would be nice
[02:36] <imbrandon> specialy if it was rackable
[02:36] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:36] <siretart> I doubt we have any 19" sparcs
[02:36] <imbrandon> since it is a suported arch
[02:37] <imbrandon> siretart, hehe nice but not nessesary
[02:37] <imbrandon> i have rack shelfs
[02:37] <StevenK> Most lowend sparcs aren't rackable
[02:37] <StevenK> Heh heh, "lowend"
[02:37] <siretart> were do you live? (where would I need to ship it to?)
[02:37] <imbrandon> kansas city , missouri
[02:37] <siretart> wow
[02:37] <StevenK> Redneck County
[02:37] <imbrandon> heh
[02:37] <imbrandon> BWHAHA
[02:38] <imbrandon> dead center of the USA
[02:38] <siretart> sending sparcs from europe to germany, heh 
[02:38] <imbrandon> ouch, your in EU ?
[02:38] <siretart> yepp, germany more specifically
[02:39] <imbrandon> wow , yea lemme see about some thing localy 
[02:39] <imbrandon> first
[02:39] <siretart> how do you manage your machines? do you use cfengine or puppet or something?
[02:39] <imbrandon> ummm no
[02:39] <imbrandon> mine or company wise?
[02:39] <StevenK> I'm guessing "Manually"
[02:39] <siretart> no, I don't think it makes sense to ship it that far. I'd better see if I can host it somewhere here
[02:39] <imbrandon> yea
[02:40] <siretart> a friend did offer a spare ultra 30 to ubuntu, which was used as buildd for universe for I think half a year
[02:40] <imbrandon> ;)
[02:40] <StevenK> imbrandon: To be honest though, ask about a /29, at our datacentre, it didn't end up costing us much more
[02:40] <siretart> then it became mandatory for buildds to be in the canonical datacentre, then we shut the box down
[02:40] <imbrandon> i had an ultra 5 ( 200mhz ) a few months ago, i should have kept it
[02:41] <siretart> perhaps I can ask joerg to repower it
[02:41] <imbrandon> StevenK, its all free ( for me anyhow ) but yea 
[02:41] <StevenK> Ultra 5's didn't hit 200MHz, if I recall
[02:41] <siretart> but I don't think I have time and interest to admin yet another box
[02:41] <imbrandon> i could prorbhavbly get a class c if i whigned enough
[02:41] <StevenK> Or was it 300?
[02:41] <imbrandon> yea the ultra 5's had 2 and 400 mhz iirc
[02:42] <imbrandon> that was top end
[02:42] <StevenK> I think there was one in the middle, too
[02:42] <imbrandon> probably
[02:42] <siretart> imbrandon: if you want to do it properly, we perhaps would need to think about having a managment infrastructure, involving ldap, kerb and cfengine
[02:42] <StevenK> The processor ran at 270, 300, 333, 360 or 400 MHz, depending on model.
[02:42] <StevenK> Wikipedia to the rescue
[02:43] <imbrandon> siretart, yea i'm actualy writing /wrote some custom scripts to import LP accounts just to keep it manageable
[02:43] <imbrandon> as far as accounts
[02:43] <imbrandon> and sshkeys etc
[02:43] <imbrandon> StevenK, hehe
[02:43] <siretart> imbrandon: cfengine scripts?
[02:44] <imbrandon> bash , lol
[02:44] <siretart> hm. I see
[02:44] <Kano> so
[02:44] <Kano> found next broken package
[02:44] <Kano> cfv
[02:44] <Kano> Setting up cfv (1.18.1-0ubuntu2) ...
[02:44] <Kano> /usr/bin/python: can't open file '/usr/lib/python/compileall.py': [Errno 2]  No such file or directory
[02:44] <Kano> dpkg: error processing cfv (--configure):
[02:44] <Kano>  subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 2
[02:44] <Kano> Errors were encountered while processing:
[02:44] <Kano>  cfv
[02:45] <StevenK> Ah ha
[02:46] <StevenK> Kano: I can look at uploading a fixed package nowish / in the morning, if you like?
[02:46] <imbrandon> siretart, definately, i'm not a management expert basicly i put the hardware in the rack and supply the bandwidth etc heheh
[02:46] <imbrandon> but we're working on it as we go ;)
[02:46] <imbrandon> today was the first "public" useage
[02:46] <imbrandon> ( and ajmitch as admin on the box too )
[02:46] <Kano> it is very crazy, in theory that file is not even availble in debian...
[02:47] <Kano> at that position
[02:47] <StevenK> Kano: Yes, it needs to be updated to the new Python policy
[02:47] <Kano> debian/postinst:            /usr/bin/$PYTHON -O /usr/lib/python$PV/compileall.py -q $i
[02:47] <Kano> debian/postinst:            /usr/bin/$PYTHON /usr/lib/python$PV/compileall.py -q $i
[02:47] <Kano> because a $PV var is used...
[02:48] <Kano> PV=`dpkg --listfiles $PACKAGE | sed -n -e '/^\/usr\/lib\/python.*\//{
[02:48] <Kano>   s,/usr/lib/python\([0-9] [0-9.] *\)/.*,\1,p
[02:48] <Kano>   q
[02:48] <Kano> }'`
[02:48] <StevenK> Kano: Yes, that's the old way.
[02:48] <Kano> stupid hack
[02:51] <StevenK> Kano: Test building a fixed package
[02:51] <siretart> imbrandon: :)
[02:51] <Kano> the --listfiles is a joke
[02:52] <Kano> as there is no /usr/lib/python in cfv
[02:52] <Kano> and package must be cfv
[02:52] <StevenK> Kano: I'm sure it was an oversight
[02:54] <StevenK> Kano: Fixed package uploaded, it will take a little while to hit the archive.
[02:55] <Kano> also why has the debian package python-dev as build dep and the ubuntu one not
[02:55] <StevenK> Kano: Thanks for giving me a bug to fix. :-)
[02:56] <StevenK> Kano: Because the Debian one hasn't been changed to the new Python policy, I'm guessing.
[02:56] <imbrandon> ok guys i'm heading home
[02:57] <Kano> where can i test your fixed package?
[02:57] <imbrandon> see yall in a few
[02:57] <StevenK> Kano: I can put it on the web, if you like
[02:58] <StevenK> Kano: To be honest, if you wait around a day, it should hit the archive automatically
[02:59] <Kano> i want it now
[02:59] <Kano> do you really think i want a day when i need a package?
[02:59] <Kano> wait
[03:00] <StevenK> Kano: http://wedontsleep.org/~steven/test/cfv_1.18.1-0ubuntu3_all.deb
[03:01] <Kano> fine
[03:01] <Kano> i really like cfv
[03:09] <lucas> ajmitch: I can re-run them in a few weeks, yes
[03:09] <lucas> \sh: i386 chroot on amd64
[03:09] <lucas> I think it's in the mail
[03:10] <lucas> geser: [xmms2]  I looked at it a while ago (since I uploaded it to edgy), but couldn't understand why it failed, so I filed a bug and gave up.
[03:13] <geser> lucas: I'm now in a similar situation. It builds fine in a pbuilder and during your rebuild but failed on the buildds claiming it couldn't find a c compiler. I hope to get a a buildd admin to look at it
[03:30] <crimsun> tsmithe: asoundconf-gtk uploaded, archived.
[03:34] <Q-FUNK> what nickname does till kampetter use here?
[03:34] <crimsun> tkamppeter in -devel.
[03:38] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:41] <Q-FUNK> crimsun: thanks
[03:43] <geser> hi bddebian 
[03:43] <bddebian> Heya geser
[03:48] <bddebian> OK, where the heck is the build queue these days?
[03:48] <crimsun> distros/ubuntu/feisty/+queue
[03:53] <bddebian> crimsun: Thx.  I'm a little confused though.  I got three accepted mails this morning but the source packages still don't show up on LP?
[03:53] <crimsun> 09:27 < Mithrandir> pitti: yes and no, not yet.  (I'll do it soonish, but 
[03:53] <crimsun>                     something has locked the distrorelease table so we can't 
[03:53] <crimsun>                     flip feisty back to development)
[03:54] <bddebian> Am I supposed to be able to make sense of that? :-)
[03:56] <crimsun> apologies for formatting.
[03:57] <crimsun> source packages still require a manual shove
[03:57] <crimsun> "something has locked the distrorelease table so we can't flip feisty back to development" [for cron'ed processing] 
[03:58] <bddebian> Ah, OK thx
[04:02] <\sh> lucas:yepp...read it....could you check the sbuild/chroot errors? 148 or 149 packages are on the list, but are building 
[04:06] <gnomefreak> can i use any svn to build a package for ubuntu?
[04:06] <crimsun> err, clarify?
[04:07] <gnomefreak> like there is a FC6 svn can i use that to build a ubuntu package?
[04:07] <crimsun> you can do anything you want for yourself
[04:08] <gnomefreak> k
[04:09] <gnomefreak> ty
[04:13] <Q-FUNK> bug 82674
[04:13] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82674 in cups-pdf "add/remove the PDF printer in CUPS at installation/removal time" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82674
[04:47] <sistpoty> hi folks
[04:49] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[04:49] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[05:03] <bigon> Hi, does anyone know what happened with pam-keyring? The package seems to have been sync but there is no infomations on the lp
[05:09] <sistpoty> bigon: maybe it's still in the new queue?
[05:10] <bigon> sistpoty: maybe, but the bugreport has been closed last Monday
[05:11] <sistpoty> bigon: yep, it's still in the new-queue: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?start=20
[05:11] <Adri2000> should we keep the ubuntu changelog entries for a fakesync (because of different orig.tar.gz)?
[05:12] <bigon> sistpoty: thanks :)
[05:12] <sistpoty> Adri2000: I guess you can delete them. if it's identical to the debian package the changelog entries might just lead to confusion for the next merge
[05:13] <sistpoty> bigon: np
[05:14] <Adri2000> sistpoty: ok
[05:14] <Adri2000> and fakesync means I just upload .dsc and .diff.gz, so we keep the ubuntu orig.tar.gz?
[05:19] <sistpoty> Adri2000: yes
[05:20] <sistpoty> Adri2000: as you can only change the orig.tar.gz if it's a differnt upstream version
[05:21] <Adri2000> ok
[05:27] <bddebian> Uhm, if the package uses python-central but does this in rules:  export PYTHON=/usr/bin/python2.4
[05:27] <bddebian>   doesn't it defeat the purpose?
[05:30] <sistpoty> bddebian: not quite sure, but it doesn't make much sense to me
[05:31] <\sh> ok...leaving office for cologne...
[05:31] <\sh> cu 
[05:31] <\sh> or have a nice weekend :)
[05:31] <bddebian> You too \sh_away
[05:42] <Adri2000> argh, my fake sync got rejected :(
[05:42] <Adri2000> sistpoty: still here?
[05:42] <sistpoty> Adri2000: yes
[05:43] <sistpoty> Adri2000: what did you get? md5 mismatch of orig.tar.gz?
[05:43] <Adri2000> yes
[05:43] <Adri2000> I didn't upload the orig.tar.gz
[05:44] <sistpoty> Adri2000: well, you'll need to exchange the orig.tar.gz with the ubuntu one and then build the source package
[05:44] <bddebian> Aye
[05:44] <sistpoty> Adri2000: might involve changing the .dsc by hand in case dpkg-buildpackage makes trouble
[05:46] <Adri2000> build the source package using the ubuntu orig.tar.gz instead of the debian one, right?
[05:46] <sistpoty> Adri2000: exactly
[05:47] <Adri2000> what I don't understand is "File glob2_0.8.21.orig.tar.gz mentioned in the changes has a checksum mismatch.", it is not mentionned in the .changes
[05:47] <Adri2000> -n
[05:47] <sistpoty> Adri2000: it's mentioned in the .dsc
[05:47] <Adri2000> ah, yes, ok
[05:49] <bddebian> Gah -devel is getting cranky :-)
[06:06] <Adri2000> Accepted glob2 0.8.21-4build1 (source), yay!
[07:58] <dholbach> good night everybody - have a nice WE!
[07:58] <Lutin> g'night dholbach 
[07:58] <dholbach> bye Lutin
[08:37] <ajmitch> morning all
[08:37] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[08:39] <ScottK> Good morning.
[08:40] <siretart> grr, why I keep missing sistpoty...
[08:40] <ajmitch> siretart: different timezones :)
[08:40] <siretart> ajmitch: hrhr ;)
[08:46] <bddebian> huhu siretart
[08:48] <bddebian> Damn, I think I'm losing another laptop HD :-(
[08:49] <siretart> hey bddebian 
[09:09] <sistpoty> huhu siretart
[09:10] <ajmitch> sistpoty!
[09:10] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[09:18] <siretart> hey sistpoty!
[09:18] <sistpoty> hi siretart, how are you?
[09:18] <siretart> sistpoty: you're cheating with just changing your nick! ;)
[09:18] <siretart> sistpoty: great, shall I give you a phone call?
[09:18] <sistpoty> siretart: I'm innocent... was the 24h disconnet ;)
[09:19] <sistpoty> siretart: sure
[09:24] <givr1> heya motu, is there somebody with some time to upload http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4249 ?
[09:24] <givr1> this is the latest version of ntfs-3g with *a lot* of bug fixes
[09:27] <bddebian> Just upload eh, no reviews? :)
[09:29] <givr1> bddebian: hum, i thought it wasn't needed for package already reviewed...
[09:29] <givr1> might be wrong
[09:30] <Adri2000> at least the motu who uploads it should review it
[09:31] <givr1> Adri2000: ok, so i was wrong ;)
[09:32] <bddebian>  -> Considering  libfuse-dev (>= 2.6)
[09:32] <bddebian>       Tried versions: 2.5.3-4.1ubuntu3
[09:32] <bddebian>    -> Does not satisfy version, not trying
[09:32] <bddebian> E: Could not satisfy build-dependency.
[09:32] <bddebian> E: pbuilder-satisfydepends failed.
[09:33] <givr1> bddebian: hum, you need ultra up to date feisty, fuse 2.6.2 has been just merge in feisty
[09:34] <givr1> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/feisty-changes/2007-February/004584.html
[09:37] <bddebian> givr1: Well it still ain't there yet
[09:39] <givr1> bddebian: hum, i saw it was, sorry :(
[09:41] <bddebian> No worries
[09:53] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[09:53] <ajmitch> hi MOTU
[09:53] <Adri2000> hi MOTUs and MOTU
[09:54] <bddebian> Heya TheMuso
[09:55] <zul> right im going home..
[09:56] <ajmitch> bye
[10:21] <bddebian> Lutin: Did kayali get rejected again??
[10:21] <Lutin> bddebian: indeed
[10:21] <bddebian> For what?
[10:22] <Lutin> pitti rejected it because I wans't including the adobe license file in the fonts dir
[10:22] <bddebian> Ahh, OK
[10:22] <Lutin> (was in debian/copyright though, but apparently it wasn't enough ;) =
[10:33] <bddebian> Is crimsun away does anyone know?
[10:34] <TheMuso> bddebian: Did you check his whois/
[10:34] <bddebian> No
[10:34] <Nafallo> his wii :-)
[10:35] <bddebian> hehe
[10:35] <TheMuso> Well according to that, he is.
[10:37] <gnomefreak> anyone know off hand what version of scribus debian unstable uses?
[10:37] <bddebian> 1.2.5.dfsg-5
[10:38] <gnomefreak> im uploading 1.3.3.7 to my site but im not good at official building :(
[10:38] <gnomefreak> its "stable" from what they say
[10:40] <gnomefreak> would i need a spec to get the newest version in feisty?
[10:41] <bddebian> gnomefreak: Nope, build it and put it on REVU
[10:42] <gnomefreak> bddebian: i will see if i can build it ill work on it this weekend
[10:42] <gnomefreak> problem being i would have to make all the files by hand (rules,copyright,control) so on
[10:42] <gnomefreak> right?
[10:43] <bddebian> I wouldn't.  I would copy the /debian dir from the latest Debian version and start from there
[10:43] <gnomefreak> ah ok i will see what i can do this weekend than
[11:07] <gnomefreak> bddebian: doesnt look like i need to do it scribus-ng 1.3.3.6.dfsg-1 in ubuntu adn 1.3.3.7.dfsg-1 in debian. i didnt think to look for scribus-ng
[11:09] <bddebian> gnomefreak: Ah, sorry
[11:09] <gnomefreak> its ok :)
[11:12] <bddebian> Later gang
[11:12] <ScottK> Later
[11:16] <nedko> TheMuso: any progress with fpconst package?
[11:17] <BrendanM> Hello, I was told to ask in here for a package to be added to Ubuntu?
[11:18] <somerville32> Ok
[11:19] <BrendanM> I am trying to get this software called Neuron to work. It is available here: http://www.neuron.yale.edu/neuron/install/install.html   it is a specialized scientific program for simulating neurons, but it's very widely used among neuroscientists/students
[11:19] <BrendanM> I tried installing the Debian package there, but it didn't work on my system
[11:20] <BrendanM> it keeps giving me an error that says "error while loading shared libraries: libIVhines.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[11:27] <BrendanM> So can I request a rebuild for Ubuntu?
[11:27] <ScottK> BrendanM: Neither Debian nor Ubuntu have a package with that library in it.  You'll need to find out what is supposed to provide it.
[11:27] <BrendanM> When I searched for that library, it came up with RPM stuff
[11:28] <BrendanM> so I don't know if maybe that debian package was converted from an rpm and that's why it's asking for it or what
[11:29] <ScottK> The problem is I don't know what IT is...
[11:29] <ScottK> If you found RPM stuff, what was the name of the library and where does it's source come from?
[11:38] <BrendanM> The name of the library is "libIVhines.so.3" I think
[11:38] <BrendanM> I found this: http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=libIVhines.so.3()(64bit)
[11:39] <BrendanM> it comes from something called InterViews, apparently
[11:46] <BrendanM> Hey! I got it working! Yay! Now I can ..... do my homework...
[11:47] <BrendanM> The trick was to install another debian package from the same site for InterViews. I don't know why it wasn't listed as a dependency
[11:47] <ScottK> What did you do?
[11:47] <ScottK> Ah
[11:47] <BrendanM> I still think this is something that would be good to include in the repositories. Especially for Scibuntu.
[11:49] <ScottK> Looks like it's called ivtools in Debian and Ubuntu. http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=ivtools&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all
[11:49] <gnomefreak> what can be done if there is no package in debian for one im building? all i need is the 4 or so files rules,control,ect...
[11:49] <gnomefreak> thats a question :(
[11:50] <ScottK> BrendanM: There is a MOTU Science team that you might want to discuss this with.  https://launchpad.net/~motuscience
[11:50] <BrendanM> yeah, apparently the package I installed from here: http://www.scientificcomputing.net/debian/packages/neuron/ which is iv_17-1_i386.deb, is a specially modified version of InterViews to work with Neuron
[11:50] <ScottK> gnomefreak: Make a package?
[11:50] <ScottK> That's what I had to do.
[11:50] <BrendanM> thanks, I might do that
[11:51] <gnomefreak> looking on the ubuntu packaging guide to see if they tell you how
[11:51] <ScottK> This is my package for one little tine Perl library I needed: https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+source/libnet-dns-resolver-programmable-perl
[11:53] <sistpoty> lucas: for the list of binary packages: how about grep Binary Sources | cut -d' ' -f 2- | sed -e's/,/\n/g' | sed -e's/ //g'
[11:53] <sistpoty> lucas: with Sources being the extracted sources.gz file
[12:03] <geser> sistpoty: you can replace the two sed with one: ... | sed -e 's/,/\n/g' -e's/ //g'
[12:03] <sistpoty> geser: ah, nice
[12:04] <geser> or even better: sed -e 's/, /\n/g'