[12:37] <DanZ> I need help. I know next to nothing about linux and xorg/xfce wont start. I followed the installation directions on the website
[12:38] <DanZ> wiki
[12:38] <anon_> you're looking at a command-line?
[12:38] <DanZ> yea
[12:39] <DanZ> I just did the sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop
[12:39] <DanZ> it stalled a bunch of stuff and a rebooted
[12:39] <DanZ> now im back at the command line
[12:39] <DanZ> installed*
[12:39] <maxamillion> DanZ: try typing "gdm" in the command line and tell me what happens
[12:40] <DanZ> -bash: gdm: command not found
[12:40] <maxamillion> DanZ: interesting
[12:40] <maxamillion> DanZ: try "startx"
[12:41] <DanZ> -bash: startx: command now found
[12:41] <maxamillion> DanZ: ok "sudo aptitude install xorg xserver-sorg xubuntu-desktop gdm"
[12:41] <maxamillion> DanZ: no wait ....
[12:42] <maxamillion> DanZ: ok "sudo aptitude install xorg xserver-xorg xubuntu-desktop gdm" <--that one ... i messed up the xserver-xorg on the first one
[12:42] <DanZ> during the installation it said something about a dependency issue
[12:42] <DanZ> but it had a solution so I pressed y
[12:42] <maxamillion> DanZ: oh ok
[12:45] <DanZ> I just got the same messege aggain about dependancies and a solution
[12:47] <DanZ> it sais it will install gimp and gimp-data but leave the following at current version: "gxine [not installed] , libxine [not installed] , xubuntu-desktop [not installed] 
[12:47] <maxamillion> DanZ: ohhh ok ..
[12:47] <DanZ> how can it leave it at the same version if not installed
[12:49] <maxamillion> DanZ: do "sudo aptitude update" then do "sudo aptitude -f upgrade"
[12:50] <maxamillion> DanZ: that should fix the dependancy issue and then we can get things installed
[12:51] <DanZ> actualy, I missed it say earlier "the following packages have unmet dependencies:" "gimp-svg: depends (= 2.2.13-1ubuntu1) but 2.2.13-ubuntu3 is to be installed."
[12:51] <DanZ> actualy, I missed it say earlier "the following packages have unmet dependencies:" "gimp-svg: depends gimp (= 2.2.13-1ubuntu1) but 2.2.13-ubuntu3 is to be installed."
[12:51] <DanZ> missed part of it
[12:53] <maxamillion> no worries
[12:53] <maxamillion> DanZ: did you run those update commands i told you to?
[12:54] <DanZ> not yet
[12:54] <maxamillion> ok ... lemme know when those are done
[12:56] <DanZ> ok, done
[12:57] <maxamillion> DanZ: now do "sudo aptitude install xubuntu-desktop xorg xserver-xorg gdm"
[12:57] <maxamillion> DanZ: that should install without a problem this time
[12:58] <DanZ> I just got the same dependencies issue as above
[12:59] <DanZ> could it be in part becous I didnt uncoment the unsupported repository thing in the sources
[12:59] <DanZ> I know some of that stuff is pretty new
[01:00] <maxamillion> DanZ: uhmmm... yeah, uncomment those and then do "sudo aptitude update" and then "sudo aptitude -f install xubuntu-desktop" ... we will try to take this step by step
[01:05] <LordGamer> come on Linux support the ATI cards :(
[01:06] <DanZ> I still got the dependencies thing
[01:07] <maxamillion> LordGamer: it already does .... "sudo aptitude install xorg-driver-fglrx" and then edit your xorg.conf accordingly :)
[01:08] <maxamillion> DanZ: yeah .... i have absolutely no clue, did you get that issue from a fresh installation?
[01:09] <DanZ> yea
[01:09] <maxamillion> hrmmm
[01:09] <DanZ> I just finished installed the command line via alternet cd
[01:09] <maxamillion> DanZ: did you check the md5sum of the image when you downloaded it?
[01:09] <DanZ> well, I ran the cd check that was included on the cd
[01:09] <DanZ> it was fine
[01:10] <DanZ> its giving me options on ways to resolve the dependency conflict
[01:10] <DanZ> I just dont know which one to use
[01:11] <DanZ> actualy this dependencies conflict seems a little different then the first
[01:11] <maxamillion> DanZ: :(
[01:11] <DanZ> should I go the the ubuntu support channel?
[01:12] <maxamillion> DanZ: yeah, maybe someone in there could help ... it doesn't seem like a xubuntu specific issue, sorry i wasn't of more help
[01:12] <DanZ> np, thanks for the help
[01:12] <maxamillion> anytime
[01:23] <bigfuzzyjesus> maxamillion, how did you install gnome-dock
[01:24] <Commander-Crowe> sudo apt-get gnome-dock
[01:25] <maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: i didn't
[01:25] <bigfuzzyjesus> maxamillion, you said you did in -offtopic
[01:26] <bigfuzzyjesus> Commander-Crowe, its not in the rops
[01:26] <bigfuzzyjesus> Commander-Crowe, repos
[01:26] <maxamillion> bigfuzzyjesus: no i didn't
[01:26] <bigfuzzyjesus> maxamillion, oh nvm then
[01:26] <Commander-Crowe> bigfuzzyjesus you enable the universe and multiverse?
[01:26] <bigfuzzyjesus> Commander-Crowe, yeah
[01:28] <B_H[zZz] > what's command to runing xubuntu ?
[01:29] <anon_> B_H[zZz] : not sure what you mean.
[01:29] <B_H[zZz] > i installed xubuntu-desktop package
[01:29] <Commander-Crowe> ooh
[01:29] <Commander-Crowe> logout
[01:29] <B_H[zZz] > now how can i startx ?!
[01:29] <anon_> when you login, there should be a menu for each DE
[01:30] <Commander-Crowe> select Xfce/Xubuntu in sessions
[01:30] <anon_> desktop-environment
[01:30] <braveheartlion> does anybody have their print-screen button working?
[01:31] <Commander-Crowe> !gimp
[01:31] <ubotu> gimp is an advanced image manipulation application for Ubuntu. See http://www.gimp.org for tutorials and more information.
[01:31] <braveheartlion> Commander-Crowe:  was that for me?
[01:31] <maxamillion> braveheartlion: just add the screenshot panel plugin
[01:31] <braveheartlion> maxamillion: how?
[01:31] <braveheartlion> I'm a newbie
[01:31] <braveheartlion> maxamillion: add the plugin to gimp?
[01:31] <maxamillion> no no
[01:31] <braveheartlion> then please advise
[01:32] <Commander-Crowe> braveheartlion: yes
[01:32] <maxamillion> braveheartlion: right click either the top or bottom panel (which ever you want to plugin to be) and then click "Add New Item" and scroll down ... click "Screenshot"
[01:33] <maxamillion> braveheartlion: then just click that little camera icon to take a screenshot
[01:33] <braveheartlion> maxamillion: thanks. i'll do it now.
[01:34] <maxamillion> braveheartlion: np
[01:34] <B_H[zZz] > xfdesktop:18616 Gtk-warning cannot open display
[01:34] <B_H[zZz] > !?
[01:34] <braveheartlion> maxamillion:  is there a way to get the print-screen button on my keyboard working?
[01:35] <braveheartlion> maxamillion: the panel button works. i was just wondering about the button on my keyboard
[01:38] <maxamillion> braveheartlion: yeah, you just have to map the screenshot program call to the key (but i don't know the name of the program off hand) ... you can map it through Applications->Settings->Keyboard Settings in the "Shortcuts" tab
[01:39] <braveheartlion> maxamillion:  thanks.
[01:40] <maxamillion> no problem :)
[01:40] <braveheartlion> yeah, i don't know the program name
[01:40] <B_H[zZz] > restart
[01:40] <B_H[zZz] > xfdesktop now working fine :)
[01:40] <braveheartlion> so i won't be able to do it
[01:40] <B_H[zZz] > tanx :)!
[01:43] <maxamillion> braveheartlion: sorry about that one
[01:50] <sluckx> i have an older presario supporting1024x768. problem is that xfce is slightly (very) skewed to the right it covers my scroll bar about half way in full screen.
[01:52] <sluckx> laptop,  skewed very slightly right but annoying when browsing.
[01:53] <vidd> sluckx, what is the video card on the lappy?
[01:53] <maxamillion> sluckx: open a terminal and run "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and make sure you select everything correct for the lcd panel and then restart the X server and life should be good
[01:54] <maxamillion> i'm outta here ... getting off work
[01:54] <maxamillion> laters
[01:56] <vidd> !seen cellofellow
[01:56] <ubotu> I last saw cellofellow (n=josh@69.71.161.32) 1d 2h 46m 41s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[01:58] <DanZ> well, I removed fam and gimp-svg and its installing now
[01:59] <DanZ> will I need either of those later?
[01:59] <sluckx> ok fingers crossed.
[02:02] <vidd> sluckx, ya good?
[02:02] <sluckx> totally killed X haha
[02:02] <sluckx> i backed up xorg np
[02:03] <vidd> good call
[02:03] <vidd> did you set the hor and vewrt manually, or let X figure them out?
[02:04] <sluckx> let x that time
[02:04] <sluckx> i might boot knoppix and see what it uses in xorg
[02:04] <vidd> what is the vid card?
[02:04] <sluckx> trident
[02:05] <vidd> did you pick that from the list or the versa?
[02:05] <sluckx> trident
[02:06] <sluckx> vesa is right i think
[02:06] <vidd> try that one this time
[02:13] <vidd> sluckx, getting ready to retry?
[02:13] <sluckx> yea
[02:14] <DanZ> this is taking awile. how long dous should it take to install xubuntu-desktop on a 400 mh celeron
[02:15] <sluckx> i gotta reboot into recovery console again,  that time i just edited xorg and changed driver to vesa
[02:15] <vidd> like no more then 20-30 minutes i guess
[02:16] <DanZ> thanks
[02:16] <vidd> sluckx, do the reconfig-xorg
[02:23] <sluckx> killed it again
[02:25] <vidd> =[
[02:25] <vidd> dont know what to say....
[02:26] <vidd> edgy or dapper?
[02:26] <sluckx> that actually is slightly better
[02:26] <sluckx> i m running live on vesa now
[02:27] <vidd> ...your using thew live cd...not installed?
[02:27] <sluckx> but its way slower than the trident module
[02:27] <sluckx> no i got it changed with that dpkg without killing it finally
[02:27] <vidd> ah...ic
[02:27] <sluckx> thats cool
[02:28] <vidd> still a little skewed?
[02:28] <sluckx> i ll play with xorg
[02:28] <sluckx> much better
[02:28] <sluckx> not annoying naymore
[02:28] <vidd> did you set the vert and hor yourself this time?
[02:28] <sluckx> no i let it go on medium set 60hz 1024x768
[02:29] <sluckx> i m gonna check my original xorg with the trident and see if theres any diff
[02:29] <vidd> try selecting the 800x600, see if it is still skewed
[02:29] <sluckx> i gotta cruz but thanks a lot for the help
[02:29] <sluckx> cheers
[02:37] <vidd> where is xorg config stored?
[02:37] <Commander-Crowe>  /etc/X11
[02:37] <vidd> b4 i mess with it, i want to back it up
[02:38] <Commander-Crowe> cool
[02:38] <Commander-Crowe> cd /etc/X11/
[02:38] <Commander-Crowe> sudo cp xorg.conf xorg.conf.backup
[02:38] <Commander-Crowe> that'll back it up for ua
[02:39] <vidd> already done
[02:39] <vidd> ty
[02:39] <vidd> bbs
[02:44] <Commander-Crowe> BUAHAHHA
[02:44] <kalikiana> :)
[02:44] <kalikiana> There might be newbies out here reading that.
[02:46] <Commander-Crowe> you don't realize how great that advice is until you've messed up
[02:47] <kalikiana> so every noob please type now 'sudo rm -R /' and see what happens *harhar*
[02:47] <kalikiana> I'm off
[02:47] <kalikiana> :)
[02:47] <anon_> thunar keeps freezing on me
[02:47] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[02:48] <Commander-Crowe> anon_ reinstall ity from the xfce website
[02:48] <anon_> it doesn't like Page Down for some reason
[02:48] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[02:49] <Commander-Crowe> It doesn't on mine either
[02:52] <bigfuzzyjesus> wewt dillo
[04:45] <Jester45> !seen cellofellow
[04:45] <ubotu> I last saw cellofellow (n=josh@69.71.161.32) 1d 5h 35m 51s ago, quiting: "Leaving"
[04:53] <pilot> Anybody want to help out a total newbie with xubuntu?
[04:55] <Jester45> i will try
[04:56] <Jester45> o gtg sorry just stay in here and someone should come soon
[04:57] <j1mc> pilot, what do you need help with?
[04:58] <j1mc> pilot, are you just installing xubuntu?  what's your question?
[04:59] <pilot> I have a lot
[04:59] <pilot> of questions
[05:00] <pilot> I am trying to figure out why xubuntu crashes on me
[05:01] <j1mc> i'm not sure if i can help, but when or why does it crash?
[05:02] <pilot> I've added a lot of other programs, do you think that some would conflict with one another causing them to malfunction?
[05:03] <pilot> When I tried to install VMware, it freezes and I am forced to reboot my computer
[05:03] <j1mc> pilot, did you just add the programs from the ubuntu repositories, or did you go and install other software from somewhere else?
[05:04] <j1mc> pilot, hrm, i'm not sure what the problem could be.
[05:04] <j1mc> why are you trying to run vmware?
[05:04] <pilot> I am pretty sure I just added them in the repositories but I downloaded Dreamweaver 8 and I wanted to run it in a virtual window
[05:04] <pilot> I want to run dreamweaver 8 and other windows programs
[05:05] <j1mc> gotcha.  i'm sorry . . . i wish i could help more.  i'm not a total expert myself.
[05:06] <pilot> it's alright...I just started a few days ago myself
[05:07] <pilot> what I've used NVU before and it's a good program but when you spend money on overpriced software you kind of wanna get your moneys worth
[05:08] <pilot> Anybody know how to set up dual monitors?
[05:09] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !xinerama
[05:09] <ubotu> xinerama is an extension to !X to use two or more physical displays as one large virtual display. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo - See also !DualHead
[05:11] <pilot> thanks I'll give them a shot and let you know the outcome in a bit. I've tried many times to do this but fail miserably 99% of the time
[05:34] <pilot> What is the command to get the xorg.confg file so that I may edit it?
[05:38] <anon_> command?
[05:38] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Do you want the interactive reconfiguration or just a text editor that can save it?
[05:39] <anon_> sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.config ?
[05:40] <anon_> someone who's had Xubuntu installed for more than 24 hours back me up here
[05:40] <maxamillion> anon_: what's up?
[05:40] <anon_> answering question: <pilot> What is the command to get the xorg.confg file so that I may edit it?
[05:41] <pilot> I am trying to install duel monitors
[05:41] <anon_> I said <anon_> sudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.config ?
[05:41] <maxamillion> sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf ... or .... gksudo mousepad /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:41] <pilot> one is from my laptop
[05:41] <pilot> and the other is for a 19 inch monitor I got from santa
[05:42] <anon_> max, how good are you with fixing mouse issues?
[05:42] <pilot> I tried many times to do this but I suck at remembering all the right commands
[05:42] <pilot> you've must have been on his good list
[05:42] <maxamillion> anon_: horrible ... i've never had one so never had to fix
[05:42] <anon_> my touchpad seems to be overriding my USB mice on my laptop
[05:43] <maxamillion> anon_: yeah... not sure :/
[05:43] <anon_> don't worry about it
[05:43] <maxamillion> i only use the touchpad on my laptop ... never tried using a usb mouse with it
[06:17] <firefish> Linux
[06:19] <maxamillion> ?
[06:20] <maxamillion> firefish: can you possibly translate that into english?
[06:23] <firefish> sorry , i post it in the wrong channel ,actually it's about a new chinese input resolution software has released,
[06:23] <firefish> http://www.znwb.com/linux.html
[06:23] <firefish> if you can understand chinese:)
[06:25] <maxamillion> i can not, but i do know someone who can and i believe they might be interested ... thanks for the link :)
[07:23] <Commander-Crowe> well I like my new install
[07:23] <Commander-Crowe> it feels...cleaner
[07:23] <Commander-Crowe> just not so simular
[07:24] <maxamillion> :(
[07:24] <maxamillion> i sorry
[08:51] <Commander-Crowe> haha
[10:16] <Majic> Hi, I have a problem...again.  My wireless connection won't show in the Network Settings window.
[10:16] <Majic> Also:  My wireless card has installed as eth0:avahi  *if that helps*
[10:17] <Majic> How can I get the wireless connection to show in Network Settings?
[10:18] <Majic> It sees it in the device manager--my wireless card--but there is no interface to go with it.
[12:56] <orByte> good day
[01:00] <Holraven> Hi everyone! Easy question: I have a messed-up Ubuntu-installation on an iBook, and I want to format my drive and install Xubuntu. Thing is, I want to copy some files off my hard drive. When booting from the CD, my USB hard drive is automatically mounted, but I can't find my internal hard drive anywhere. How can I mount it to copy my files?
[01:02] <esc_on_anakin> well, you can use "mount" to mounts disks
[01:02] <esc_on_anakin> but you need to know the disks descriptor and where to mount it to
[01:03] <esc_on_anakin> first hard drive is usually primary master and therefore /dev/hda
[01:03] <esc_on_anakin> first partition would be /dev/hda1
[01:03] <esc_on_anakin> second /dev/hda2
[01:03] <esc_on_anakin> and so on
[01:04] <esc_on_anakin> you can do an "ls /mnt/" and see what directories are there
[01:04] <esc_on_anakin> i'm not in front of an xubuntu machine right now, so i may only be of limited help
[01:05] <Holraven> So "mount /dev/hda1" ?
[01:06] <esc_on_anakin> if there is a /mnt/hda1
[01:06] <orByte> im new to linux, and i don't know how to change the permission of my pendrive which means that i can't write files into it. any idea?
[01:07] <esc_on_anakin> Holraven, if there is a "/mnt/hda1" you can just "cd" to "/mnt/" and type "mount hda1"
[01:08] <esc_on_anakin> then "ls hda1/" to see your files, if it worked
[01:08] <esc_on_anakin> ps, you may have to "sudo" that
[01:09] <Holraven> mnt directory is empty. When trying "mount /dev/hda1" I cet "can't find /dev/hda1 in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab"
[01:09] <esc_on_anakin> yes
[01:09] <esc_on_anakin> ok
[01:09] <esc_on_anakin> try "sudo mkdir /mnt/hda1"
[01:09] <esc_on_anakin> to make a mountpoint
[01:10] <esc_on_anakin> and then "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1"
[01:10] <esc_on_anakin> to mount the drive
[01:10] <Holraven> Okay. Made the directory, tried "mount hda1", same error message - can't find ... in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[01:11] <Holraven> When browsing /etc - there is no folder called fstab or mtab...?
[01:11] <Holraven> Oh, those are files...
[01:11] <esc_on_anakin> Holraven, you won't need fstab right now
[01:12] <esc_on_anakin> you can just  "sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1" and explicitly mount /dev/hda1 to /mnt/hda1
[01:12] <esc_on_anakin> for now to copy the files
[01:12] <esc_on_anakin> fstab is a file that lists disks and mountpoints
[01:12] <esc_on_anakin> filesystems and so on
[01:13] <Holraven> "You must specify the filesystem type"...
[01:13] <esc_on_anakin> you can use fstab if you want stuff automounted at boot, for example a windows partition
[01:13] <esc_on_anakin> ah yes
[01:13] <Holraven> But I think we're getting somewhere. ;)
[01:13] <esc_on_anakin> so your files aren't on hda1
[01:13] <esc_on_anakin> probably
[01:13] <Holraven> hda2?
[01:13] <esc_on_anakin> you can use "sudo parted /dev/hda"
[01:14] <pk_butu> yah...he should specify the mount point...
[01:14] <esc_on_anakin> which is a command line tool for viewing partitions on a disk
[01:14] <esc_on_anakin> once in "parted" type "h" for help "p" to print partition table
[01:14] <esc_on_anakin> and "q" to quit
[01:14] <pk_butu> df or dh or something like that....... can show in in which mount dev his harddisk is mounted..
[01:15] <Holraven> WOkay... So number 4 is the linux-swap...
[01:15] <Holraven> So I'd want to mount hda4?
[01:15] <esc_on_anakin> unlikely
[01:16] <esc_on_anakin> i guess
[01:16] <esc_on_anakin> swap is just swap space for the operating system to put stuff when it needs more memory
[01:16] <Holraven> ext3 - number 3. Think I'm getting nearer. lol
[01:17] <pk_butu> plz try with.....$sudo df -l
[01:17] <esc_on_anakin> i guess an ext3 partition will be what you want
[01:17] <esc_on_anakin> pk_butu, the disk isn't mounted yet
[01:17] <Holraven> Haha success!
[01:18] <esc_on_anakin> okay, just don't get confused as /dev/hda3 is mounted on /mnt/hda1
[01:18] <Holraven> Thank you very much, Anakin - I'm in your debt. ;)
[01:18] <esc_on_anakin> and now you can use "df -hl" to view the mounted filesystems
[01:18] <esc_on_anakin> esc, the name is esc... anakin is just the machine i'm on
[01:19] <grazie> Holraven: you can put the output of 'sudo mac-fdisk -l /dev/hda' to pastbin if you want us to check
[01:19] <esc_on_anakin> !info mac-fdisk
[01:19] <gunny01> I'm trying to play a cd. when I put it in the drive, I get a pop-up asking whether I want to play the music or view the files. No matter what I click, I can't find the music, even when I open rythmbox. Any help please?
[01:19] <ubotu> Package mac-fdisk does not exist in any distro I know
[01:20] <Holraven> I can browse the filesystem, no problem - but how can I unlock folders - "permission denied"?
[01:20] <grazie> 'ubotu' doesn't know something!
[01:20] <esc_on_anakin> unlock the folders???
[01:21] <esc_on_anakin> i thought you just wanted to copy some files across?
[01:21] <Holraven> I'm in the "home" folder on my hard drive, and some folders are inaccessible, I don't have permission to open them. How can I claim permission?
[01:22] <esc_on_anakin> inaccessible?
[01:22] <esc_on_anakin> as in you have no read privileges?
[01:22] <Holraven> Correct.
[01:22] <esc_on_anakin> either.. use "sudo" to fool around in them
[01:23] <esc_on_anakin> or use "chmod"
[01:23] <grazie> esc_on_anakin: fool around?!
[01:23] <esc_on_anakin> :-) i dunno
[01:23] <esc_on_anakin> first thing that popped into my head
[01:24] <esc_on_anakin> anyway, chmod is the tool to change the modifiers on a file
[01:24] <grazie> Holraven: you probably just need to prefix you commands with 'sudo' to get privs
[01:24] <esc_on_anakin> everything in linux is a file
[01:24] <Holraven> As in "sudo chmod 777 *.*"?
[01:25] <esc_on_anakin> that would change permissions to rwxrwxrxw
[01:25] <grazie> Holraven: no. as in 'sudo ls'
[01:25] <Holraven> But if I want to chmod an entire folder..?
[01:26] <gunny01> !info playing cds
[01:26] <esc_on_anakin> er.. um...
[01:26] <ubotu> Package playing does not exist in edgy
[01:26] <grazie> Holraven: or  'sudo cp -a ....'
[01:26] <esc_on_anakin> chmod has the -R switch for recursive
[01:27] <esc_on_anakin> but chmod 777 makes files executable too,. i.e. rwxrwxrwx
[01:27] <esc_on_anakin> chmod 666 makes them read-writable i.e. rw-rw-rw-
[01:28] <esc_on_anakin> and chmod 600 makes them read-writable only by yourself, i.e. rw-------
[01:28] <grazie> Holraven: you don't want to change access privs! You are just trying to backup your data, yes?
[01:28] <esc_on_anakin> you can see permissions with ls -lah
[01:28] <esc_on_anakin> l for long, a for all, and h for human readable filesizes
[01:30] <Holraven> I'm trying to backup my data, but I want my folders to be accessible on my removable media - from any given OS on any given machine.
[01:31] <Holraven> And by using the chmod-function, I "unlocked" one of the folders, so I imagined doing that for all folders and files would solve my problem quite elegantly..?
[01:31] <esc_on_anakin> depends on the filesystem, on your usb-hard-drive
[01:32] <esc_on_anakin> cause i don't think windows will honour ext3 permissions
[01:33] <Holraven> But I'll format and reinstall Xubuntu.
[01:33] <esc_on_anakin> Holraven, i would recommend backing up the data and worrying about file-permissions later
[01:33] <grazie> Holraven: you are making life difficult for yourself
[01:33] <Holraven> Hehehe. I know. I could have run OS X instead... ;)
[01:34] <esc_on_anakin> yeah, cross that bridge when you come to it :-)
[01:34] <esc_on_anakin> OS X eh?
[01:34] <Holraven> It's an iBook.
[01:34] <esc_on_anakin> i wish i had a mac :-(
[01:34] <Holraven> I wish I didn't. :D
[01:34] <Holraven> I got it for free.
[01:34] <pk_butu> which version of VIM is coming with Xubuntu 6.10? actually sytnax highlighting is not working in my case....it says old version...
[01:34] <esc_on_anakin> Holraven, is it an intel chip, or powerpc?
[01:35] <grazie> Holraven: just 'sudo cp -a <source> <destination>'
[01:35] <Holraven> It's a G3 500 Mhz - old as hell. That's why I want to run "X"ubuntu...
[01:35] <Holraven> Ubuntu was a bit sloooow...
[01:35] <grazie> ppc. hence mac-fdisk
[01:36] <Holraven> Mp3's wouldn't play fluently.
[01:36] <esc_on_anakin> you could also try something esoteric, like grml or DSL
[01:36] <grazie> esc_on_anakin: no! PPC
[01:36] <esc_on_anakin> grazie, ah, ok, i was wondering what mac-fdisk is for
[01:36] <esc_on_anakin> DSL is not for PPC?
[01:36] <pk_butu> any idea abt vim syntax highlighting?
[01:37] <Holraven> Seriously folks. Let me be a newbie and do my thing in "File Manager" - and chmod does the works for me. So how can I apply chmod changes to all subfolders and files?
[01:37] <grazie> esc_on_anakin: mac-fdisk is the mac equiv of fdisk
[01:37] <esc_on_anakin> grazie, yeah i guessed that much, just didn't get as far as PPC
[01:37] <esc_on_anakin> now you say it it seems so.. obvious
[01:39] <Holraven> Oh. By using "*" instead of "*.*"....
[01:39] <grazie> Holraven: trust us. you don't want to change the access privs. you are achieving nothing
[01:40] <Holraven> It's not that I don't trust you, it's just that, by changing privs, folders and files are accessible via the File Manager - the GUI. Which is a relief to me. I'm no terminal geek, I try to use the commands I remember from good ol' MS-DOS, only to find that some work and some don't... :P
[01:42] <grazie> Holraven: if you want to use thunar (file manager) then in terminal 'gksu thunar &'
[01:42] <esc_on_anakin> i used to have open windows, but now i have open bsd.
[01:43] <Holraven> Aha. Now that *did* work.
[01:44] <Holraven> Okay. Step one, I copy all my stash to the USB drive. Fast forward to step three, copying my stash *back* to my hard-drive after re-install. Will these permissions still haunt me?
[01:44] <esc_on_anakin> find out when you get there
[01:44] <grazie> Holraven: be very careful using thunar like this. You can TRASH you system very easily by doing something silly
[01:44] <Holraven> My system's trashed already!
[01:45] <esc_on_anakin> "terminal geek" sounds like a chronic illness lol..
[01:45] <Holraven> I left the iBook in suspended mode for nine or ten days, battery went dead. On reboot, GNOME won't start, nothing works!
[01:45] <Holraven> Even when booting Ubuntu from CD!
[01:45] <Holraven> So now I'm trying Xubuntu, which works better.
[01:45] <Holraven> The installer crashes, though. :S
[01:46] <esc_on_anakin> if gnome wont start from CD, that may suggest a defective CD or faulty hardware
[01:46] <esc_on_anakin> thats a bit worrying
[01:46] <Holraven> I doubt it. It seems it somehow loads settings from somewhere...
[01:47] <grazie> Holraven: don't worry. you can boot Xubuntu live cd, all is well!
[01:47] <esc_on_anakin> though you do need... what 196 MB of ram to use the live CDs, not sure
[01:47] <Holraven> I'm running xubuntu cd right now.
[01:48] <Holraven> I'm typing from my PC at the mo.
[01:48] <esc_on_anakin> but gnome sucks anyway, and so does KdE... In my very own humble opinion
[01:48] <grazie> esc_on_anakin: too true
[01:48] <Holraven> And xubuntu uses...what?
[01:48] <esc_on_anakin> XFCE
[01:48] <esc_on_anakin> hence the X in "Xubuntu"
[01:48] <Holraven> Which stands for?
[01:49] <Holraven> X F(ile) C E(dition)? Hehe.
[01:49] <grazie> !xfce
[01:49] <ubotu> xubuntu is Ubuntu with Xfce instead of Gnome. For more info, see http://www.xubuntu.org and http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/ - To install from Ubuntu: "sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop". | For support, see #xubuntu | See also: !ubuntu and !xubuntu-channels
[01:49] <esc_on_anakin> apparently its so old, that even the developers can't remember what it stands for
[01:49] <DarthLappy> How does one pronounce "XFCE"? :)
[01:49] <esc_on_anakin> i pronounce it EXEFCEEEE
[01:50] <DarthLappy> Ya, I do that too... But it should be "Ex-face" or something cool :D
[01:50] <Holraven> lol
[01:50] <esc_on_anakin> but then again i also say "ESS QUE EL" instread of "sequel" for SQL
[01:51] <DarthLappy> Heh :)
[01:51] <Holraven> Xubuntu doesn't ship with OpenOffice?
[01:51] <DarthLappy> It comes with Writer, I think.
[01:51] <esc_on_anakin> otherwise use synaptic(?)
[01:51] <esc_on_anakin> to install it
[01:51] <grazie> esc_on_anakin: it's "sequel" and "My ESS QUE EL" - apparently
[01:53] <Holraven> In the end, even though using the root account Thunar-thingy, I had to use chmod to copy some of the files. So there.
[01:53] <DarthLappy> Root on Thunar? That doesn't sound wise..
[01:54] <Holraven> I'm formatting anyhow... ;)
[01:55] <DarthLappy> Heh.
[01:55] <esc_on_anakin> i recommend making a seperate partition for /home/, that way you won't have to backup your files again if feel the need to install a new distro or OS
[01:56] <esc_on_anakin> inkl settings for firefox (bookmarks) and so on :-)
[01:59] <Holraven> We'll see... ;)
[02:00] <sdac221x_> ctrl+alt+Fx takes me to fuzzy colored screen instead of virtual terminal.  any ideas ?
[02:00] <esc_on_anakin> Intel i810 chipset?
[02:01] <esc_on_anakin> whoups
[02:01] <DarthLappy> esc_on_anakin: ATi, I believe.
[02:02] <esc_on_anakin> no idea, i think i've had problems with intel810 and intel915, and radeon 700 chipsets in the past
[02:03] <grazie> Holraven: although you can run the xubuntu live cd, you still MAY have bother using the gui installer if your ram is less than 256M
[02:03] <esc_on_anakin> in my experiance it helps to boot with "vag=ask" and then select "0".. somehow
[02:03] <Holraven> 2
[02:03] <DarthLappy> s/vag/vga/ ?
[02:03] <esc_on_anakin> indeed
[02:04] <sdac221x_> ctrl+alt+Fx shows a colored fuzzy screen instead of a vitrual console.   ctrl+alt+f7 takes me back to xfce screen.  any ideas ?
[02:04] <grazie> sdac221x_: should work...dunno
[02:05] <esc_on_anakin> sdac221x_, you could try booting with the option "vga=ask" and then select the lowest mode available
[02:05] <esc_on_anakin> i.e. 0
[02:05] <sdac221x_> running xunbutu edgy on lenovo t60.
[02:05] <sdac221x_> no i am just booting normally
[02:06] <sdac221x_> i have ati drivers installed if that makes a difference
[02:06] <esc_on_anakin> !ati
[02:06] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:06] <esc_on_anakin> hmmm..
[02:07] <sdac221x_> ye i followed a guide on the internet so driver seems to be working fine
[02:07] <esc_on_anakin> sdac221x_, the only thing i can think of now, is to boot with "vga=ask" and select the lowest mode
[02:07] <sdac221x_> anakin:   how do i boot with the vga=ask option.  sorry im new to linux
[02:07] <grazie> sdac221x_: did ctrl-atl-fx work before you installed the driver?
[02:08] <sdac221x_> i didnt try it back then.  basically i am trying to go to terminal to see if my laptop brightness buttons work from there
[02:08] <esc_on_anakin> in grub, i think its e to edit a line, or so, can't remember exactly
[02:08] <sdac221x_> anakin:  ok i think i know the place
[02:09] <esc_on_anakin> and the add "vga=ask" to the kernel stanza
[02:09] <grazie> sdac221x_: you could easily go back to the open source driver and try it
[02:09] <sdac221x_> on a side note:  is there a terminal command that sets laptop screen brightness as the fn+HOME/END buttons dont work on my t60
[02:09] <esc_on_anakin> yes, or use the secondary bootoption, i.e. recovery,,whats it called again
[02:10] <grazie> sdac221x_: i think open source is just 'ati' in /etc/X11/xorg.conf for ATI cards
[02:11] <sdac221x_> ok ill try that
[02:12] <Grey_Loki> !aptitude
[02:12] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[02:13] <esc_on_anakin> sdac221x_, tuxmobil.org is a good site for finding information about linux on laptops
[02:13] <esc_on_anakin> maybe you can find some advice there
[02:13] <DarthLappy> apt-get does that too. >_<
[02:16] <DarthLappy> Eek, my PC is lagging.
[02:17] <esc_on_anakin> try "top"
[02:18] <DarthLappy> Lots to xorg, lame and gaim.
[02:18] <DarthLappy> Lame I can understand. Maybe not so much the other two.
[02:18] <esc_on_anakin> ever heard of "nice" ?
[02:19] <DarthLappy> No?
[02:19] <esc_on_anakin> nice allows you tgo modify the scheduling priority of a program
[02:19] <DarthLappy> Ah cool.
[02:20] <DarthLappy> Well on an 850MHz PIII, it'll just take me ages if I down the priority of lame.
[02:20] <Grey_Loki> !nvidia-glx
[02:20] <ubotu> nvidia-glx: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org driver. In component restricted, is optional. Version 1.0.8776+2.6.17.7-10.1 (edgy), package size 3970 kB, installed size 12312 kB
[02:20] <Grey_Loki> !nvidia
[02:20] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:20] <Grey_Loki> That's the baby
[02:21] <esc_on_anakin> i'm on celeron 600, 156 MB ram
[02:21] <DarthLappy> Cool :D
[02:22] <esc_on_anakin> just the PC at work that i built for myself from spare parts that were lying around, so i don't have to haul my laptop in every day
[02:23] <esc_on_anakin> i have a PIII 1000 Mhz lying around here too, but the board won't have it
[02:23] <sdac221x_> what does it mean when people type !xyz ?
[02:23] <esc_on_anakin> !ubotu
[02:23] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:23] <esc_on_anakin> its the function to query the infobot
[02:24] <sdac221x_> cool
[02:28] <esc_on_anakin> right, weekend time, cu all
[02:51] <xStream_> Hi! Where can I find the xubuntu herd3 iso?
[03:02] <grazie> xStream_: here http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[03:16] <Dh3Y0> hi, i cant find my volume control and  i dont think my microphone is working, help?
[03:16] <Dh3Y0> hulos
[03:17] <Dh3Y0> anyone
[03:17] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak:
[03:20] <Dh3Y0> beeep
[03:20] <Dh3Y0> !help
[03:20] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[03:20] <Dh3Y0> !volume control
[03:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about volume control - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:20] <Dh3Y0> !file manager
[03:20] <ubotu> file: Determines file type using "magic" numbers. In component main, is standard. Version 4.17-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 30 kB, installed size 100 kB
[03:20] <Dh3Y0> !filemanager
[03:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about filemanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:23] <grazie> Dh3Y0: what's your first problem?
[03:28] <grazie> Dh3Y0: there's a volume control you can easily add to the panel
[03:39] <michaelpo> does xfce support democracyplayer?
[03:41] <michaelpo> does xfce support getdemocracyplayer from www.getdemocracy.com ?
[03:47] <Dh3Y0> grazie: u still here mate?
[03:48] <Dh3Y0> i ve got the colume control up now
[03:48] <Dh3Y0> but theres nothing in it
[03:48] <Dh3Y0> btw i m not in the s.user
[03:49] <grazie> Dh3Y0: back. multi-tasking. I don't understand 'nothing in it'
[03:50] <Dh3Y0> yeah i mean like theres no device
[03:50] <Dh3Y0> everything is blank
[03:50] <grazie> Dh3Y0: what version of xubuntu you using?
[03:52] <Dh3Y0> dapper
[03:54] <grazie> Dh3Y0: never used dapper, so I don't no if it's supported on that version. there should be a little vertical bar after adding it
[03:55] <michaelpo> how much better is 6.10 compared to 6.06?
[03:57] <michaelpo> does the feisty beta crash a lot?
[03:58] <grazie> !democracy | michaelpo
[03:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about democracy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:59] <grazie> michaelpo: democracy is in the repos, but I can't tell you anything more
[04:00] <michaelpo> it's not in 6.06 repo
[04:01] <grazie> michaelpo: ok. it's in the edgy repo
[04:05] <michaelpo> maybe i just wait for 7.04 final... only 2 months to wait....
[04:44] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: I can't see any xubuntu 7.04 tracking bugs - am i missing something?
[04:46] <grazie> anybody ^^
[05:08] <grazie> hi maxamillion
[05:08] <maxamillion> hello
[05:09] <grazie> maxamillion: I'm looking for  xubuntu 7.04 tracking bugs - can't find anything
[05:09] <maxamillion> grazie: ah ... just a moment, let me get you a link
[05:10] <Maximilian1st> Hi Max and ... grazie
[05:10] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: hi hi
[05:10] <grazie> Maximilian1st: hi
[05:11] <maxamillion> grazie: there is a new procedure for testing and reporting bugs as of feisty herd3 .... here is the wiki entry with details https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ReportingResults
[05:12] <grazie> maxamillion: yes, seen that. There's tracking bugs for ubuntu, kubuntu, edutuntu, but not for xubuntu
[05:13] <grazie> maxamillion: Am I missing something?
[05:14] <maxamillion> grazie: just a moment
[05:14] <grazie> maxamillion: at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-iso-tests/+bugs
[05:16] <maxamillion> grazie: right, you just enter a bug (if/when found) with the naming convention "<date> xubuntu <processor architecture> <image type (desktop|alternate)>"
[05:16] <maxamillion> grazie: i think that just means that nobody has reported a bug for xubuntu yet
[05:18] <grazie> maxamillion: not done this before so probably misunderstood, but I thought all the iso releases needed a tracking bug (set up by admin)
[05:19] <grazie> maxamillion: you use it for passing/failing tests don't you?
[05:19] <maxamillion> grazie: i think they changed it for this release so they are able to keep all bugs in the same place as to not duplicate work between distros
[05:20] <maxamillion> grazie: well, technically you just report bugs .... like in Herd2 the network manager wouldn't launch from the desktop live cd, that would be something you should submit as a bug
[05:21] <grazie> maxamillion: so how do they keep a tab on who has tested what?
[05:21] <maxamillion> errr.... on xubuntu.org*
[05:22] <maxamillion> grazie: you have to have a launchpad account to submit bugs, it will tell them who reported what in launchpad
[05:22] <grazie> maxamillion: got account. but if find no bugs, how do I report my tests?
[05:23] <slow-motion> halo
[05:23] <maxamillion> grazie: uhmmm.... don't think you do, i can setup a wiki like the one for herd2 if you would like to report success
[05:23] <maxamillion> slow-motion: hello
[05:23] <slow-motion> +l
[05:24] <slow-motion> hi maxamillion
[05:24] <grazie> maxamillion: erm...doesn't sound quite right to me?
[05:26] <grazie> Maximilian1st: you do some testing don't you?
[05:27] <maxamillion> grazie: i honestly don't know ... i have kinda been trying to go with what i can, i haven't been in contact with any devs or Cody lately ... are you a member of the -devel mailing list?
[05:28] <grazie> maxamillion: no. i find mailing lists hard to keep up with
[05:29] <grazie> maxamillion: i was ubuntu a while ago...just too much info
[05:29] <cheatersrealm> vlc plays most everything, right?  so I wouldn't need stuff like gxine, xine, and ogle?
[05:29] <maxamillion> grazie: ok, well i'll tell you what ... i will make a post to the -devel mailing list right now and ask about it and as soon as i get a reply back i will let you know
[05:29] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: right ... you might need some media codecs though
[05:29] <grazie> maxamillion: cheers!
[05:30] <cheatersrealm> maxamillion: that's ok, I just don't like having 50 media players
[05:30] <grazie> cheatersrealm: no. vlc comes with all the codecs! REALLY GOOD!
[05:31] <cheatersrealm> yeah, I like vlc
[05:31] <cheatersrealm> grazie: are you sure I don't need dvd playing codecs with ubuntu vlc?
[05:32] <grazie> i still use mplayer for movies, but if I could only have one media player it would be vlc
[05:32] <cheatersrealm> hrm
[05:32] <grazie> cheatersrealm: i didn't install any
[05:32] <cheatersrealm> xubuntu-desktop depends on gxine
[05:33] <cheatersrealm> that breaks upgrade compatability, doesn't it?
[05:33] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: xubuntu-desktop is just a meta package, if you want to remove gxine and it says it will remove xubuntu-desktop its fine
[05:33] <maxamillion> cheatersrealm: but if it starts saying it will remove packages like xfce4, xorg, etc. ... don't do it, something is wrong and there is a fix for that
[05:34] <cheatersrealm> right
[05:37] <cheatersrealm> how do I edit the system menu?
[05:37] <cheatersrealm> I really just need to figure out what one item is calling
[05:38] <grazie> cheatersrealm: you may right about vlc and dvds, as my ppc machine will not play them (but's that a feisty herd 3 alpha)
[05:39] <grazie> cheatersrealm: the menu is controlled by .desktop files in /usr/share/applications
[05:39] <cheatersrealm> ok, thanks
[05:41] <cheatersrealm> cool, one media player to rule them all
[05:41] <maxamillion> lol
[05:41] <maxamillion> dynasty media player :P
[05:43] <grazie> maxamillion: dynasty media player? do you mean democracy media player?
[05:45] <cheatersrealm> grazie: the reason that ubuntu doesn't include dvd playing, is because it would have to be derived from DeCSS, which makes it illegal.  otherwise they would have to pay money to DVD Copy Control something or other
[05:46] <maxamillion> grazie: no, i was making a joke about vlc being the media player to rule them all, thus its "the dynasty media player"
[05:46] <grazie> cheatersrealm: yeah, I understand the legal issue, but vlc gets by the mp3 issue, so I'd assumed the for DVDs
[05:48] <grazie> maxamillion: right ok. there is a democracy media player though...it's supposed to be the one and only...
[05:48] <maxamillion> grazie: interesting
[05:48] <cheatersrealm> well, it's almost noon
[05:48] <cheatersrealm> and time for a wee nap
[05:48] <cheatersrealm> later
[05:49] <maxamillion> laters
[05:49] <Gorlist> Hi
[05:50] <Gorlist> quick question - having problems with OpenOffice
[05:50] <maxamillion> Gorlist: shoot, i have class in 5 minutes
[05:50] <Gorlist> finding the the application window at the top is a horrible mess of colours
[05:50] <Gorlist> http://www.ironfoot.co.uk/OpenOfficeError.jpg
[05:50] <Gorlist> screenshot of my Desktop with OO open
[05:50] <maxamillion> oh wow
[05:51] <maxamillion> you running beryl or anything?
[05:51] <Gorlist> beryl?
[05:51] <maxamillion> nvm
[05:51] <maxamillion> Gorlist: you would know if you were, its quite the process to setup
[05:51] <Gorlist> reasonably fresh install of latest Xubuntu
[05:51] <Gorlist> ah right
[05:51] <Gorlist> well everything else seems fine, just OO
[05:51] <maxamillion> that's really strange.... (yeah, i don't use OO because it always gives me problems)
[05:52] <Gorlist> the problem is I need OpenOffice ideally as all the other systems run it
[05:52] <maxamillion> i unfortunately have no clue how you would fix that
[05:52] <Gorlist>  ive got that alot so far :(
[05:52] <Gorlist> no reply on the forums either
[05:52] <Gorlist> only thing I have removed is Abiword & Gnumeric
[05:52] <maxamillion> Gorlist: why do you _need_ it? ... abiword can edit the .odt "word" documents and gnumeric can edit OO spreadsheets
[05:52] <Gorlist> (though reinstalled Gnumeric after i found this problem)
[05:53] <Gorlist> hmm i tried,
[05:53] <grazie> Gorlist: what version of xubuntu?
[05:53] <maxamillion> 6.10
[05:53] <Gorlist> yes
[05:53] <Gorlist> latest
[05:54] <grazie> no problems here
[05:54] <maxamillion> Gorlist: i have to run, but try "sudo aptitude install openoffice.org-gtk" ... might help resolve gtk theme issues (which is what it looks like it is choking on)
[05:54] <maxamillion> laters all
[05:55] <Gorlist> ok thanks will try it now
[05:55] <Gorlist> does gnumeric save ods files?
[05:56] <max_at_class> Gorlist: doesn't look like it
[05:56] <max_at_class> --->class
[05:56] <Gorlist> thats the problem
[05:56] <Gorlist>  :)
[05:56] <Gorlist> have a good class
[05:56] <Gorlist> thanks for the help anyhow
[05:57] <Gorlist> installed the GTK - worked great! thank you :)
[06:23] <rpog> hello, i was wondering if anyone know how to access windows shared folders. suposing i installed xubuntu just now
[06:23] <gabkdlly> !samba
[06:23] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:23] <rpog> i already did apt-get install samba
[06:23] <rpog> and tried alt+f2 and tried the smb://<ip> but says doesnt exist :S
[06:24] <rpog> that smb isnt installed that is
[06:24] <rpog> but i'll read upon that thx.
[06:28] <rpog> i'd rather read a guide ...
[06:31] <ir2> hi guys
[06:32] <ir2> hellow
[06:53] <tuuksi> hi there! anyone aware why my NIC isn't recognised by xubuntu?
[06:53] <tuuksi> realtek 8139-chipset
[06:53] <foogy> what does ifconfig say?
[06:54] <tuuksi> well, basically nothing.
[06:54] <tuuksi> just shows eth0, lo and sit0 (whatever that is)
[06:54] <foogy> no eth0 or eth1?
[06:54] <foogy> are there any other network devices in your computer? wireless lan?
[06:55] <tuuksi> nope
[06:56] <tuuksi> just eth0 and the other card
[06:56] <foogy> if not, then eth0 should be your realtek adapter
[06:56] <tuuksi> it's not
[06:56] <tuuksi> it's the other NIC
[06:57] <tuuksi> ah sorry. I got 2 NIC's in my computer: 1 via-rhine, and 1 realtek
[06:57] <foogy> hm
[06:58] <foogy> what's a "via rhine" adapter?
[06:58] <tuuksi> it's a module to be exact. I'm not aware of the model of the specific NIC which uses the via-rhine module
[07:22] <Maximilian1st> Hi again.
[07:25] <grazie> hi
[07:27] <grazie> Maximilian1st: do you know if you Xfburn is planned to be fixed?
[07:27] <Maximilian1st> What do you mean? Is it broken?
[07:27] <Maximilian1st> Jean-Francois Wauthy is the author.
[07:28] <grazie> I think it is broken in dapper and feisty. it is for me and i've seen stuff on the forums, but no recent bug
[07:30] <grazie> dapper and edgy ^
[07:30] <Maximilian1st> I will transmit this to the author, could you send me a link to these complaints?
[07:33] <Maximilian1st> grazie, The xubuntu CD is missing from the download site???!!!
[07:34] <Maximilian1st> Herd3?
[07:35] <grazie> Maximilian1st: no the iso is there. I was looking for a tracking bug to test against, but max_at_class is asking about it for me
[07:36] <Maximilian1st> grazie, is this the right place to look for it? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/
[07:37] <grazie> Maximilian1st: you've misunderstood me. i have the iso images. No problem with that
[07:37] <grazie> Maximilian1st: I thought everyone had the Xfburn problem. here's one link https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ticket/3253
[07:38] <Maximilian1st> Then I didn't make myself clear. It's me who can't find the isos... ;-p
[07:39] <grazie> sorry... two ticks
[07:41] <grazie> Maximilian1st:  download from here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ReportingResults
[07:43] <Maximilian1st> grazie, Grazie :-)
[07:43] <grazie> np
[07:43] <grazie> i should say prego?
[07:49] <tuuksi> anyone know why my realtek NIC card doesn't show up in ifconfig with xubuntu, although it appeared just an hour ago in debian?
[07:52] <tuuksi> m'kay...
[08:02] <foogy> hey tuuksi, did you solve your problem? I had visitors
[08:03] <tuuksi> foogy: no.
[08:03] <tuuksi> this sucks ass
[08:04] <tuuksi> but I dunno, probably gonna change the distro
[08:04] <tuuksi> opensuse downloading. :(
[08:04] <foogy> poor solution ;)
[08:05] <Maximilian1st> tuuksi, this is a good thing to do, try out other distros and make the choice.
[08:05] <Maximilian1st> two different views we have :-p
[08:05] <foogy> did you try to disable the via-rhein adapter in your BIOS?
[08:05] <tuuksi> foogy: why should I?
[08:06] <tuuksi> it's PCI-card anyways
[08:06] <foogy> why do you need two network adapters at the same time?
[08:06] <tuuksi> other connecting to my adsl-modem, other connecting to my wlan access point
[08:06] <foogy> okay
[08:07] <foogy> and other operating systems recognize both adapters without problems? or never tried?
[08:07] <tuuksi> yes. debian just recognized it perfectly just an hour ago
[08:08] <tuuksi> but i had problems with installing xfce
[08:08] <tuuksi> therefore thought xubuntu would work better
[08:08] <foogy> perhaps someone might help me on that issue: after suspend or hibernation, i cannot set my lcd britghtness any more (Toshiba Laptop)
[08:09] <foogy> I did a fresh install with xubuntu a couple of days before. since that time I'm experiencing problems I didn't have before with Ubuntu (using GNOME and also XFCE)
[08:10] <Maximilian1st> foogy, Do you use edgy or feisty?
[08:10] <foogy> edgy
[08:10] <Maximilian1st> I see.
[08:10] <foogy> I used the alternative install cd
[08:10] <Maximilian1st> don't try feisty yet as the toshiba support is broken
[08:10] <Maximilian1st> I had it working also in edgy
[08:10] <Maximilian1st> I use a Toshiba Portg R200
[08:10] <foogy> thanks for your warning. I didn't plan to try before the final release
[08:10] <foogy> <- Portg M200 ;)
[08:11] <Maximilian1st> After suspend I also had problems with gentoo.
[08:11] <Maximilian1st> just switched to xubuntu this year.
[08:11] <foogy> and you can still change your lcd brightness after suspend?
[08:11] <foogy> It always works after a fresh boot
[08:11] <Maximilian1st> nope.
[08:11] <Maximilian1st> after suspend you have to do...
[08:12] <Maximilian1st> moment.
[08:12] <Maximilian1st> Hey maxamillion :-)
[08:12] <maxamillion> hi hi
[08:12] <Maximilian1st> foogy, you probably have to stop and restart the acpid script
[08:13] <foogy> I will try immediately...
[08:13] <Maximilian1st> /etc/init.d/acpid stop && /etc/init.d/acpid start
[08:14] <foogy> no, this does not work. services stopped and started again, but the function keys do not work
[08:14] <Maximilian1st> hmm
[08:14] <Maximilian1st> foogy, but it works from a fresh boot.
[08:15] <foogy> yes
[08:16] <Maximilian1st> try to stop and restart the acpi-support script...
[08:17] <foogy> no, it won't help
[08:17] <Maximilian1st> foogy, Is it only the LCD brightness that does not work or all the fn keys functions?
[08:18] <foogy> at least the "Speaker on/off" key does not seem to work, too
[08:19] <Maximilian1st> foogy, try this in the console as root toshset -lcd
[08:19] <Maximilian1st> toshset -lcd
[08:19] <Maximilian1st> What does it say?
[08:20] <foogy> SCI error: argument required
[08:20] <foogy> lcd brightness: super-bright
[08:21] <foogy> passing any parameter does not seem to change anything
[08:21] <Maximilian1st> try "toshset -q"
[08:22] <grazie> Maximilian1st: You said toshiba support is broken on feisty.  Is that all toshiba hw or just complete laptops?
[08:22] <Maximilian1st> I think it is only the laptops grazie
[08:23] <foogy> ok, toshset -q now listed all settings
[08:23] <grazie> ok
[08:23] <Maximilian1st> The acpi is not working in feisty
[08:23] <Maximilian1st> the rest is worjking of yourse
[08:23] <Maximilian1st> wow
[08:23] <Maximilian1st> working and course
[08:23] <foogy> "lcd intensity 7/7"
[08:24] <foogy> using toshset -inten 1 is accepted, but the intensity does not change
[08:26] <Maximilian1st> foogy, try taking out the module and probing it again
[08:26] <Maximilian1st> It should be called toshiba_acpi
[08:27] <Maximilian1st> lsmod | grep tos
[08:27] <foogy> i know lsmod, modprobe...but I forgot how to remove a module :D
[08:28] <Maximilian1st> modprobe -r modulebla
[08:29] <foogy> module reloaded, but still no success
[08:29] <foogy> but it works on your laptop after suspend? on xubuntu?
[08:30] <Maximilian1st> I have feisty here and the module is not installed in it anymore.
[08:30] <Maximilian1st> I have to compile my own kernel, will do that sometime soon
[08:30] <foogy> ok
[08:30] <Maximilian1st> As it bothers me much that I can't change the brightness of the LCD
[08:31] <Maximilian1st> Do you have two modules toshiba loaded?
[08:31] <Maximilian1st> foogy,
[08:31] <foogy> it doesn't bother me as long as i'm connected to ac power
[08:31] <Maximilian1st> I'm in a bit of a dark environment here and the screen si way too bright.
[08:32] <foogy> I hibernated with a too dark display ;)
[08:32] <foogy> ok, I only have toshiba_acpi loaded, but...
[08:32] <Maximilian1st> Don't call me but!
[08:32] <Maximilian1st> :-p
[08:32] <foogy> lol
[08:33] <foogy> ...but lsmod | grep acpi shows me several acpi modules loaded: sony_acpi, pcc_acpi, dev_acpi, asus_acpi
[08:34] <Maximilian1st> They make kernels with all the modules for all the hardware so everyone can use it on their own computer.
[08:38] <Maximilian1st> maxamillion, or grazie that is something I was wondering, these modules that are loaded, how can one tell which one to keep and which one not?
[08:38] <foogy> does someone use "fnfxd" for laptop function keys? I installed it in order to remove my problems with suspend, but it didn't help me out
[08:38] <Maximilian1st> Your problem is not related to the keys scripts but to acpi and toshiba modules.
[08:39] <Maximilian1st> foogy, I did use fnfx on gentoo but then I used the standard acpi scripts like you do now to use the fn keys-.
[08:39] <Maximilian1st> this is the way to go.
[08:39] <foogy> should xev respond to my fn-keys?
[08:39] <Maximilian1st> I am not sure.
[08:39] <Maximilian1st> ...
[08:40] <foogy> at the moment xev does not output anything.
[08:41] <Maximilian1st> foogy, it does here
[08:41] <Maximilian1st> try this
[08:41] <Maximilian1st> xev
[08:41] <Maximilian1st> and type the letter k
[08:42] <Maximilian1st> it is keycode 45
[08:42] <Maximilian1st> if you keep fn pressed and press k it will be code 88
[08:42] <Maximilian1st> foogy, Is this working as expected?
[08:42] <foogy> yes, it is
[08:43] <foogy> i just found out that xev does not respond to all fn-Fxx key combinations
[08:43] <Maximilian1st> ah?
[08:44] <Maximilian1st> you are right
[08:44] <foogy> I'll do a fresh boot now and will be right back...
[08:44] <Maximilian1st> it does not respond to the Fx keys here.
[08:44] <Maximilian1st> ok
[08:45] <Maximilian1st> I also have a question :-(
[08:45] <foogy> i made "lsmd > modules_suspend.txt" and will compare the list of loaded modules to the list i get after a fresh boot
[08:45] <foogy> ask your question, I'll think about it while rebooting ;)
[08:46] <Maximilian1st> I am trying to install the madwifi module from SVN on the newly installed kernel in feisty
[08:46] <Maximilian1st> but I have an error message about some gpl in ath_hal...
[08:47] <foogy> does not sound like a kind of problem that I could assist...sorry. ok, will be right back...
[08:47] <Maximilian1st> :-p
[08:47] <Maximilian1st> Small community, Linux :-)
[08:48] <Maximilian1st> I was just staring at the list of names logged in this channel, all the same folks...
[08:58] <foogy> the only difference between both module lists is module "tun". it is only listed after the fresh boot
[08:59] <foogy> obviously not the reason
[08:59] <Maximilian1st> No
[09:00] <Maximilian1st> foogy, the reason really lies in some of the modules not emerging normally after the suspend
[09:00] <Maximilian1st> As I said, in gentoo I only needed to reload the scripts for it to come back to normal.
[09:04] <foogy> this is how to manually set the lcd brightness on toshiba laptops:  echo "brightness:7" > /proc/acpi/toshiba/lcd
[09:05] <foogy> works fine. i'm gonna try this after hibernation and see what will happen
[09:08] <foogy> funny...
[09:09] <foogy> now it still works after hibernate
[09:10] <Maximilian1st> with the command line?
[09:10] <Maximilian1st> or with the keys?
[09:10] <Maximilian1st> foogy,
[09:10] <foogy> both
[09:10] <foogy> and after suspend, too
[09:10] <Maximilian1st> Some modules may stay in the way after a suspend...
[09:10] <foogy> hm. there must be something that turns off that functionality from time to time
[09:11] <Maximilian1st> I just installed a new kernel and will give it a try.
[09:12] <Maximilian1st> Are you using 2.6.17?
[09:12] <foogy> good luck!
[09:12] <foogy> yes
[09:12] <Maximilian1st> ok
[09:12] <Maximilian1st> be back later.
[09:12] <foogy> see ya
[09:32] <Maximilian1st> I did not do what I wanted but I am a bit further in the problem with the toshiba module in the newer ubuntu kernels...
[09:33] <foogy> better than nothing
[09:35] <xxl3w> is there anyway to install xubuntu via network?
[09:35] <foogy> what's your cpu temperature while being idle? mine is 48C @ 600Mhz. I thought about trying to reduce my cpu core voltage using the uservcore kernel patch
[09:35] <foogy> yes, xxl3w
[09:35] <xxl3w> woo hoo1
[09:35] <xxl3w> any readme about this?
[09:35] <xxl3w> if so, can you link?
[09:36] <foogy> hm...I've bookmarked a german how-to. But this does probably not help you
[09:36] <Maximilian1st> foogy, sure it is
[09:36] <Maximilian1st> send in
[09:36] <xxl3w> crap
[09:36] <xxl3w> i think i just found it
[09:36] <foogy> google for "xubuntu alternative network"
[09:36] <xxl3w> it's on the unbunto documentatio, right?
[09:36] <xxl3w> documentation
[09:37] <foogy> should be. If you found a how-to, then use it. I do not find the link at the moment
[09:37] <foogy> Maximilian1st: what do you mean?
[09:38] <Maximilian1st> Ah, I thought you had a link for me...
[09:38] <Maximilian1st> kein problem.
[09:38] <foogy> hehe
[09:38] <foogy> hatte es mir fast gedacht bei dem nick
[09:38] <Maximilian1st> Stimmt
[09:39] <Maximilian1st> sondern ich bin kein nativ deutsch sprachiger
[09:39] <foogy> http://wiki.ubuntuusers.de/Baustelle/Installation_ohne_CD
[09:39] <foogy> was ist dir lieber? deutsch oder englisch?
[09:40] <foogy> hier ein how-to fr die cpu-spannung: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/topic/17747/
[09:41] <tictacaddict> hello, I have a problem.
[09:41] <Maximilian1st> Go see a doctor
[09:41] <tictacaddict> a linux doctor?
[09:42] <Maximilian1st> You said you have a problem, not your computer?
[09:42] <tictacaddict> I have a problem with my computer
[09:42] <Maximilian1st> divorce
[09:42] <tictacaddict> but I love my computer
[09:42] <Maximilian1st> he doesn't
[09:42] <Maximilian1st> love is blind
[09:42] <Maximilian1st> I know it is tough
[09:43] <Maximilian1st> such is life
[09:43] <Maximilian1st> go on tictacthing
[09:43] <Maximilian1st> spit it out
[09:43] <tictacaddict> it won't boot.  I copied all my files (from three partitions) to a new hard disk and installed grub
[09:43] <tictacaddict> it gets stuck at some point
[09:43] <foogy> computers are gread. you pay a lot of money to spend several hours to solve problems you did not have before
[09:43] <Maximilian1st> foogy, my laptop stops at 600 and with this patch you can go even further down?
[09:44] <Maximilian1st> buy apple
[09:44] <foogy> Maximilian1st: I do not mean the frequency, but the voltage.
[09:44] <Maximilian1st> stuck at some point... wait, let me look in my divination bowl...
[09:44] <tictacaddict> I think it has something to do with the fact that I was using software raid before but not now
[09:45] <Maximilian1st> You saved all your data?
[09:45] <Maximilian1st> tictacaddict,
[09:45] <tictacaddict> I have not removed it from the first drive
[09:46] <tictacaddict> I think it is all in tact
[09:47] <foogy> I'll give it a try. my battery time really sucks. reducing the core voltage should give me at least 15 to 30 minutes
[09:48] <foogy> tictacaddict: "get stuck at some point" is quite general
[09:48] <tictacaddict> yes I know.  I believe it happens when trying to set up some raid devices that are no longer present
[09:49] <tictacaddict> I want to try to skip that part in the startup
[09:49] <tictacaddict> and see if it helps
[09:50] <Maximilian1st> Can you boot with a cd tictacaddict
[09:50] <foogy> damn, someone throw some bandwith!
[09:50] <tictacaddict> yes I am using a livecd right now
[09:51] <Maximilian1st> look in fstab if it tries to mount something that does not exist anymore
[09:51] <Maximilian1st> look in modules if there are any listed that should not
[09:51] <tictacaddict> I changed fstab, I think it is all kosher
[09:51] <Maximilian1st> look in init.d if there is a script that should not be there anymore...
[09:51] <Maximilian1st> kosher...
[09:51] <Maximilian1st> what is htat?
[09:52] <Maximilian1st> that?
[09:52] <foogy> hehe
[09:52] <foogy> "all right"
[09:52] <Maximilian1st> kosher, allright?
[09:52] <foogy> no
[09:52] <tictacaddict> that's what I mean by it
[09:52] <Maximilian1st> ok
[09:52] <tictacaddict> I believe actually it means food that Jewish people can eat.
[09:53] <Maximilian1st> maxamillion, grazie any help here?
[09:53] <foogy> people belonging to the islam are only allowed meat and other food that has been produced in a "kosher" way.
[09:53] <maxamillion> Maximilian1st: huh? ... sorry, its really busy here at work
[09:53] <Maximilian1st> maxamillion, it's all right, don't bother
[09:55] <tictacaddict> I moved a file out of /etc/rcS.d and I'm going to try to restart.
[09:56] <foogy> whatever "elivized" means, I hope it makes his system still boot ;)
[09:57] <Maximilian1st> foogy, could you check the file in /etc/modprobe.d/toshiba...
[09:57] <Maximilian1st> and tell me what you have in it?
[09:58] <foogy> which file do you mean?
[09:58] <Maximilian1st> The toshiba one...
[09:59] <Maximilian1st> it's toshiba_acpi.modprobe
[09:59] <foogy> options toshiba_acpi hotkeys_over_acpi=1
[09:59] <Maximilian1st> inserting this module with these options does not work in feisty.
[09:59] <foogy> "nice"
[10:00] <Maximilian1st> At least I narrowed the problem a bit more
[10:00] <foogy> why are you even working around with feisty?
[10:00] <Maximilian1st> Living dangerously?
[10:01] <Maximilian1st> But it has a price
[10:04] <foogy> This was a stupid question. Never seen any linux user just using his system to do everyday work. or, in other words: "why I play around with feisty?...because I can!"
[10:36] <slow-motion> n8
[11:01] <BrendanM> So I have an issue where files I download and save to the desktop don't actually show up on the desktop, but then if I go in Thunar and browse to desktop, they are there.
[11:01] <BrendanM> Does anyone have any idea what could be causing this/how to fix it?
[11:03] <maxamillion> BrendanM: Alt+F2 "xfdesktop" and hit enter ... should come back, it just sounds like xfce isn't managing the desktop (a common problem that has been fixed in feisty and will release in april)
[11:04] <foogy> this even happens when xfce manages the desktop
[11:04] <foogy> it takes some time until the newly created files appear
[11:04] <foogy> at least on my system
[11:06] <foogy> btw: is this a bug or just not foreseen in xfce: i cannot draw a rectangle to select more than one document on the desktop
[11:07] <BrendanM> yeah, running xfdesktop didn't fix it
[11:07] <BrendanM> is it possible I have too much stuff on the desktop?
[11:07] <BrendanM> I have a fair number of things, not like covering the desktop, but still
[11:09] <maxamillion> BrendanM: not sure ... i don't keep things there :/
[11:09] <foogy> I only have a few documents. same issue.
[11:12] <BrendanM> hmm, any workarounds you've found foogy? Or should I just wait for feisty?
[11:12] <zOap> I'm trying to install xfce-xmms-plugin, but I get message that I need libxfcegui4-1.0 but I have 4-4 installed and can't find 4-1 anywhere.. any hints?
[11:12] <foogy> you can press F5 on the desktop, then new files should appear
[11:13] <Jester45> whats F5 do?
[11:14] <BrendanM> it looks like a refresh, but it doesn't work for me
[11:14] <foogy> F5 on the desktop refreshes
[11:18] <foogy> wtf?? http://www.cafepress.com/ubuntushop.14580695
[11:23] <BrendanM> hahaha, awesome
[11:23] <BrendanM> I wonder if it's "open source"
[11:24] <zOap> BrendanM, when I looked over the file list for xfce-xmms-plugin I noticed that the ones I downloaded is supposed to work in xfce 4-4. It even says it needs no dependencies other than xfce4-4 and the players(xmms, beep etc). which means there has to be some sort of bug in the source, maybe its built on an early beta, prelibxfcegui4-1?
[11:24] <foogy> if you ever see a girl with this thong, MARRY HER!
[11:24] <Ubugtu> XFCE bug 4 in xffm "Right click context menu broken" [Normal,Closed: fixed]  http://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4
[11:26] <BrendanM> z0ap, I don't know. I'm hardly an expert on Xubuntu. It's possible it was built on an early beta. You could try finding the file it's asking for somewhere, that's the only thing I'd think to do. But I don't know if that would cause conflicts with the later version.
[11:27] <zOap> BrendanM, yeah that was my first thought, bbut I can't find it anywhere on google... And my guess is also that it would conflict with later versions.. I tried to find out how to contact the dev of this plug but it seems impossible.. #%# oh well, thanks for the help anyway:)
[11:29] <BrendanM> sorry. What does this plugin do anyway?
[11:29] <foogy> do you really need this xmms plugin? i didn't find it useful and removed it.
[11:29] <zOap> BrendanM, it puts xmms/beep/whatever in the xfce panel, like media player on windows..
[11:29] <BrendanM> hmm
[11:30] <zOap> foogy, I like to have such players in sight all the time, thats all:)
[11:30] <BrendanM> the program won't just run the systray without it?
[11:30] <zOap> BrendanM, no..
[11:30] <BrendanM> One thing you might consider is there's a wrapper somewhere that lets you run Gnome applets on the Xfce panel
[11:31] <BrendanM> If there's a comparable Gnome applet, you could try running that
[11:31] <BrendanM> it's kind of ghetto solution, I know
[11:31] <zOap> oh, ok, I will search for that one. It's worth a try atleast, thanks for the tip:)
[11:31] <zOap> btw, DOES xmms have a systray icon? I never cared to look..
[11:32] <BrendanM> I don't know, I use VLC
[11:32] <BrendanM> (the greatest media player ever)
[11:32] <zOap> And it does?
[11:32] <zOap> hehe, I'll give vlc a try:)
[11:32] <BrendanM> I don't know if it has a tray icon
[11:32] <BrendanM> I never looked. Lemme check now
[11:32] <zOap> I'm not married to xmms or anything so..:D
[11:32] <BrendanM> I just like the fact that it plays just about anything without hunting for codecs
[11:33] <zOap> that sounds nice yeah. I'm not a big fan of codecs at all, since that almost always means some sort of compression, and I'm a audiodesigner and i bit fuzzy about that...
[11:34] <BrendanM> apparently there is a command-line switch to put VLC in the system tray
[11:34] <BrendanM> http://forum.videolan.org/viewtopic.php?t=30785&sid=6e4c23e3e9c144686965a355cd01fe1c
[11:34] <zOap> BrendanM, ok, I'll try that. thanks:)
[11:36] <BrendanM> After you install it, you'll probably want to change the .deskop launcher to include that switch
[11:36] <BrendanM> lemme know if it works
[11:38] <zOap> BrendanM, well, thats not nessesary. I use it with Worker, so I use my own commands, like --wx-systrat
[11:38] <zOap> y
[11:40] <foogy> I use the gnome-applet-plugin to replace some xfce-applets by their gnome correspondant.
[11:40] <foogy> xfce cpu & battery applet are useless compared to the ones delivered with gnome
[11:40] <BrendanM> heh
[11:41] <zOap> foogy, yeah I use the gnome-battery plugin aswell
[11:41] <BrendanM> I tried like crazy to get this applet to monitor the fan/CPU on my Dell laptop to work, but I never got it
[11:41] <BrendanM> I even emailed the developer, and he was like, "Oh, I quit working on that"
[11:42] <foogy> a battery plugin should at least display the remaining battery time. xfce version does not
[11:43] <BrendanM> this is the one, grrr: http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-i8k-plugin
[11:43] <BrendanM> Really? My xfce battery plugin displays time remaining
[11:43] <foogy> hm, strange
[11:44] <BrendanM> You have to check the "display percentage" box in the settings
[11:45] <foogy> cool. thank you
[11:48] <BrendanM> *shrug*
[11:49] <BrendanM> is it true running gnome applets in Xfce takes a lot of system resources
[11:51] <foogy> but still acceptable.
[12:00] <cyros> hey guys i just installed the last xubuntu working fine i shut down for the night now when i booted the desktop wont fully load
[12:01] <foogy> used gnome before?
[12:01] <foogy> or was it a fresh xubuntu install?
[12:01] <cyros> yea
[12:02] <foogy> what does "wont fully load" mean?
[12:02] <cyros> it was working fine the first time
[12:02] <cyros> it boots up to the blue screen just not the bottom bar comes up
[12:02] <cyros> i can still alt F2 and run stuff
[12:03] <foogy> try to start "xfdesktop"
[12:04] <cyros> i just tried changing the session to xfce it was on last session see if that works
[12:04] <cyros> hmm no go let me try what u said
[12:05] <cyros> didnt work
[12:07] <cyros> tried xfdesktop from xterm no go
[12:07] <foogy> sorry, no idea then
[12:07] <foogy> may be reinstalling package xubunt-desktop with apt-get, but this is probably not what you want
[12:08] <kalikiana> cyros: try 'xfce4-panel' if the panel is missing
[12:09] <cyros> worked
[12:09] <cyros> should i add that comment to start up all the time
[12:12] <cyros> where do i have to add that again ?
[12:14] <kalikiana> are you using a display manager?
[12:15] <cyros> xfce
[12:15] <kalikiana> I mean like gdm for example, also known as the 'login' screen
[12:17] <Iain> how do I set the default mp3 player in xubuntu?
[12:18] <kalikiana> Ian, there is no such thing as a default media player. Just right-click an audio file and select 'choose another application' (or similar)
[12:18] <foogy> right-click on a mp3-file -> properties
[12:18] <kalikiana> He's gone already :/
[12:18] <joe_> no I'm here
[12:18] <joe_> I had to go
[12:18] <joe_> it's me
[12:18] <joe_> can't change my nick
[12:18] <kalikiana> oh
[12:18] <kalikiana> :)
[12:19] <joe_> ok so there's no way to set the default?
[12:19] <joe_> because it used to comeup with realplayer
[12:19] <kalikiana> try / nick yournick (without spaces)
[12:19] <joe_> I uninstaleld it
[12:19] <joe_> and now there's no default
[12:20] <joe_> damn
[12:20] <kalikiana> there is no 'default mp3 player' but you can select the player for e.g. mp3 files by right-click (..)
[12:20] <joe_> :(
[12:20] <joe_> right ok
[12:20] <joe_> thanks mate
[12:20] <joe_> which mp3 players do you guys use?
[12:20] <joe_> I'm thinking xmm
[12:20] <joe_> xmms
[12:21] <joe_> !mp3
[12:21] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:21] <joe_> !player
[12:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about player - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:21] <joe_> hmm
[12:21] <joe_> ok well thanks guys
[12:21] <joe_> I'll fix my nick later
[12:21] <joe_> :)
[12:21] <joe_> bye all
[12:23] <foogy> yes, my kernel is done. reboot...