| elcuco | nice, works perfectly (stollen code from plastik? who cares) | 12:16 |
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| elcuco | which windeco will be used in the future by kubuntu? | 12:16 |
| _StefanS_ | ekuco: grab 1.0 from kde-look.org | 12:18 |
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| mhb | elcuco: polyester will be (most likely) used for Feisty, KDE4 default style for feisty+1 | 12:21 |
| Riddell | manchicken: current adept doesn't show the arrow next to the items in the list view, is that likely to be your patch's doing? | 12:23 |
| elcuco | ok, found a deb, looks nice with all the animations on, kinda heavy, but ok | 12:23 |
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| manchicken | Riddell: Seeing as how everything I do is perfect, I doubt it ;) | 12:30 |
| manchicken | Riddell: Most likely. I was noticing that too, but I was ignoring it.. probably not a good idea. | 12:31 |
| Riddell | manchicken: what's the branch to get your current supported indicator patch? support-indicator-tooltip? | 12:32 |
| manchicken | yeah | 12:35 |
| manchicken | If bzr worked with committing merges, trunk would have had it. | 12:35 |
| Riddell | what's in trunk? | 12:35 |
| manchicken | I was hoping to have that be the latest branch that all could hit regardless of what the latest feature I'd done was. | 12:35 |
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| Riddell | I'm still not sure what the best way to handle this is, it should be one archive per patch but I don't know where to branch the archive and how to get the diff | 12:36 |
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| Riddell | manchicken: it's just the lister.cpp and lister.h files I need? | 12:37 |
| manchicken | yeah | 12:38 |
| manchicken | and the indicator png | 12:38 |
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| manchicken | Are you gonna fix it? | 12:47 |
| manchicken | I can totally fix it if you put a bug on for me. | 12:47 |
| manchicken | If I don't have any boogs I won't have anything to do after feature freeze ;) | 12:48 |
| Riddell | fix the arrow thing? | 12:50 |
| Riddell | just now I'm trying to get it to compile :) | 12:50 |
| _StefanS_ | about adept_updater .. that wizard thing never worked for me - how was it intended to work ? | 12:51 |
| Riddell | download packages, install them | 12:51 |
| _StefanS_ | my adept_updater just quits if I clicked on Next | 12:51 |
| _StefanS_ | It was kinda odd | 12:51 |
| manchicken | Okay, gotta run. I'll be back on in about 3-5 hours. If you have any ideas, please let me know (manchicken@kubuntu.org). I really like ideas, but I really gotta run. | 12:51 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: it's broken in feisty | 12:52 |
| _StefanS_ | okay :) | 12:52 |
| _StefanS_ | the fade thing works now with settings in ksmserverrc | 12:52 |
| Riddell | groovy | 12:52 |
| Riddell | got a .deb and a debdiff? | 12:53 |
| Riddell | (or just the patch) | 12:53 |
| _StefanS_ | I was thinking about putting the other settings in there as well. Would make it easier to adapt | 12:53 |
| _StefanS_ | FADE_BACK_TIME, FADE_TIME, ADDITIONAL_DARKNESS | 12:53 |
| Riddell | sure | 12:54 |
| _StefanS_ | I was just thinking about how you represent floats in konfig's | 12:54 |
| _StefanS_ | KConfig even | 12:54 |
| Riddell | dunno, look at the API docs | 12:54 |
| _StefanS_ | yep I'll look it up | 12:55 |
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| _StefanS_ | Riddell: its compiling kdebase again now, I will test it in a few moments. | 01:17 |
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| XVampireX | Hello? | 01:43 |
| XVampireX | There's something that's a bit disappointing in Kubuntu... Adept doesn't seem to be liking new users (I.E: No ubuntu specific patches to it), or maybe I don't know how to use it (And I'm not a new user, just wanted to say how cool ubuntu specific patches for synaptic are) | 01:44 |
| XVampireX | Things like enabling universe and multiverse with a click... | 01:44 |
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| mhb | XVampireX: will be ready for Feisty, I hope | 01:50 |
| mhb | Hobbsee!! | 01:51 |
| === XVampireX is using feisty :D | ||
| === mhb too | ||
| mhb | XVampireX: those features are in development | 01:53 |
| XVampireX | Oh, alright :D | 01:53 |
| XVampireX | But feature freeze soon, no? | 01:53 |
| mhb | XVampireX: true | 01:53 |
| Riddell | that's why I'm writing it now | 01:53 |
| XVampireX | Oh, alright | 01:53 |
| mhb | XVampireX: and that's why it is 02:00 here and I'm still awake :o) | 01:54 |
| XVampireX | :) | 01:54 |
| praetor | Riddell: I just wrote in mail exporting support for kmail, do you want the patch for feisty? | 01:55 |
| Riddell | praetor: what does it do? | 01:55 |
| praetor | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77744 | 01:55 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 77744 in general "JJ: add tool to archive all mail" [Wishlist,New] | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | hey mhb! | 01:55 |
| mhb | XVampireX: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | hey Riddell! | 01:56 |
| praetor | calls ark to compress the users mail folder, creates a new folder on the users desktop kmail_exported_mail, places the archive there and then opens a konqueror in file management mode which displays the mail archive | 01:56 |
| praetor | ive tested it with kmail's mail import tool and it seems to work | 01:56 |
| Riddell | praetor: sure sounds good | 01:57 |
| Riddell | praetor: is the patch in upstream? | 01:57 |
| praetor | i just submitted it now so not yet | 01:57 |
| XVampireX | mhb: That sounds really good... | 01:57 |
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| Riddell | praetor: able to send a debdiff to kubuntu-devel? | 01:58 |
| XVampireX | A little general ubuntu question: Are madwifi drivers already installed by default in edgy? | 01:58 |
| praetor | i can send you a diff against kmail svn ;) | 01:58 |
| Riddell | praetor: hmm, it really needs to be against 3.5.6 | 01:58 |
| praetor | ok let me grab the sources for that then | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: iirc, yes | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: my old wifi card worked by default in edgy, so yeah. not sure about on the live cd though? | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | i think it did there too | 01:59 |
| XVampireX | And can you people apply a little kde patch? The most notable for me is move to: in right click on file and try to move a file, konqueror crashes, I submitted a bug report for KDE. | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: what patch was it? | 02:00 |
| XVampireX | I don't know, well, I mean, fix it :P | 02:00 |
| XVampireX | I can give you the bug report | 02:00 |
| mhb | XVampireX: can you describe the problem in detail? | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: probably not. | 02:00 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: if there's a patch, we can apply it, but it probably works better for the kde devels to actually fix the bugs. | 02:01 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt know hte konqi codebase at all | ||
| XVampireX | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140867 | 02:01 |
| Riddell | Move To: works fine for me | 02:01 |
| Ubugtu | KDE bug 140867 in general "Konqueror crashes when I move something into a different directory" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] | 02:01 |
| Riddell | although that UI is horrible | 02:01 |
| XVampireX | Hmm, maybe I should update now, then | 02:02 |
| === Hobbsee notes we must be getting close to feature freeze or something, if Riddell is still up :) | ||
| === Hobbsee attacks her uni with her Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | ||
| Hobbsee | dont cancel the classes that i need to do for my degree! gah! | 02:04 |
| XVampireX | how do I ask for a newer version of an application in the repositories (mplayer) | 02:05 |
| Hobbsee | hooray, spammers | 02:06 |
| XVampireX | ? | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | in #ubuntu and #kubuntu | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: upgrade it yourself, or find one of the media team and ask for it. | 02:06 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: probably the latteer | 02:06 |
| XVampireX | Hmm... Who might that be? | 02:07 |
| Hobbsee | dont remember offhand | 02:07 |
| === Hobbsee checks on LP | ||
| XVampireX | I don't mind compiling a package for everyone to use (I really want to contribute much to ubuntu and linux in general) | 02:08 |
| XVampireX | But no idea how to make a general package and then submit it | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: https://launchpad.net/~debian-multimedia maybe | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 02:08 |
| Hobbsee | ask crimsun when he comes back | 02:08 |
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| === Hobbsee merges LP accounts...again | ||
| XVampireX | Ah, crimsun talked to me about it, but it was too complicated, s/he gave me some links to the wiki on how to submit a request for package upgrade.... | 02:10 |
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| Hobbsee | hrm. apparently i've contributed to Fooix the Wonder-Toaster | 02:12 |
| bddebian | er? | 02:12 |
| Hobbsee | bddebian: the beta of launchpad | 02:13 |
| bddebian | Ah :-) | 02:13 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: yes, I was wondering what that was too | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: i suspect they're just putting extra stuff in, just to test it out | 02:14 |
| Hobbsee | hey cool, apparently i'm involved in a couple of specs!~ | 02:14 |
| === Hobbsee files a support request. | ||
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| Hobbsee | i dont think emails to *@localhost will workk | 02:18 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: what's this "feedback request" thing on specs? | 02:19 |
| Riddell | it means you want people to comment on the spec | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | ie, so i'm supposed to comment on the spec? | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | hrm, okay | 02:20 |
| XVampireX | Hobbsee: Maybe you could implement something in launchpad that would mark a package out of date? | 02:21 |
| XVampireX | Because for example there's a stable mplayer release for a while now | 02:22 |
| XVampireX | 1.0rc1 | 02:22 |
| Jucato | hm.. in Launchpad, if I set my preferred e-mail address from my @gmail.com to @kubuntu.org (yay!), will it sort of "break" the connection? | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: or not, i'm a launchpad dev. | 02:23 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: yes. dont do it | 02:23 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: ooh ok.. thanks for telling me :) | 02:23 |
| === Jucato is glad he asked first... | ||
| Riddell | XVampireX: report a wishlist bug | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: it's a bug in LP. it breaks if you ever try to change where @kubuntu.org points to - same as the @ubuntu ones | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | er, might be a bug in the emails | 02:24 |
| XVampireX | And speaking of adept usability, is there an update manager for it? I don't seem to see one.. I remember there was one before... | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: there hasnt been. there is now, though | 02:24 |
| XVampireX | Riddell: for updating mplayer or for launchpad? | 02:24 |
| Jucato | XVampireX: in feisty or in edgy? | 02:24 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: for launchpad | 02:24 |
| XVampireX | Right now I'm in feisty | 02:24 |
| === Hobbsee keeps getting adept crashing though | ||
| Jucato | ah | 02:25 |
| Jucato | there is an adept_updater.. but I don't know if it could be considered an update manager... | 02:25 |
| Jucato | there is/was | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | ubuntu's update manager got ported over though | 02:25 |
| === _StefanS_ is getting rather tired of recompiling kdebase... | ||
| XVampireX | Oh, so it should be even better :) | 02:25 |
| Hobbsee | _StefanS_: why are you doing it? | 02:26 |
| Jucato | yes. all thanks to Riddell!! yay! | 02:26 |
| === Hobbsee wonders at the new people... | ||
| Jucato | Hobbsee: because it's fun! :) | 02:26 |
| Jucato | lol | 02:26 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: indeed! i'm just surprised there are so many :) | 02:26 |
| Jucato | I hope I didn't start a trend :P | 02:26 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: err, because I like seeing shitloads of text passing by all night... :) | 02:26 |
| === Jucato loves compiling from SVN though | ||
| Riddell | XVampireX: for updating mplayer | 02:26 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: then you'll love cmake... colorful shitloads of text :) | 02:27 |
| _StefanS_ | whoa | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | ahh... | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | isnt that a #ubuntu-motu sort of question, as it's in multiverse? | 02:27 |
| XVampireX | Riddell: Ah, ok :) | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ show mplayer | grep Maintainer | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com> | 02:27 |
| Hobbsee | Original-Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Media Team <motumedia@tauware.de> | 02:27 |
| _StefanS_ | I managed to keep my cpu temp to 80 degrees celsius for the past 2 hours.. maybe I should turn off the heat in the house. | 02:28 |
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| Hobbsee | _StefanS_: 80 degrees what? | 02:28 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: not fahrenheit. The other one you know. | 02:29 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: look it up :) | 02:29 |
| Hobbsee | good | 02:29 |
| === Hobbsee deals in celcius | ||
| === Hobbsee is australian | ||
| n8k99_ | in australian? | 02:30 |
| _StefanS_ | its a laptop, the safe temp is 100 degrees.. I'm aiming to get to 90 within an hour :) | 02:30 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 02:30 |
| === Hobbsee got her laptop about that high... | ||
| === Hobbsee smelled components burning at that temp, though... | ||
| Hobbsee | not this one, though | 02:30 |
| mhb | I always told Lure people complain about the heat and battery power :o) | 02:30 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: you are doing debuild -nc? | 02:30 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: yea | 02:31 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: fujitsu may do it | 02:31 |
| XVampireX | Hobbsee: Should I email the original maintainer? | 02:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I might be all wrong | 02:31 |
| Hobbsee | it's a list, you'll get moderated | 02:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: it cleans every time | 02:31 |
| Riddell | mm, -nc should stop that | 02:31 |
| zakame | morning all! :D | 02:31 |
| Hobbsee | hey zakame! | 02:32 |
| Jucato | morning zakame! | 02:32 |
| zakame | hi Hobbsee Jucato! | 02:32 |
| zakame | almost done now with the feisty upgrade | 02:32 |
| Jucato | nice | 02:32 |
| Jucato | finished building the feisty pbuilder... | 02:32 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I think its all the stuff stuffed around the make process that takes the extra time | 02:33 |
| _StefanS_ | stuff stuffed.. i must be very tired | 02:33 |
| === _StefanS_ will eventually sleep when he gets old | ||
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: how long till rc2? | 02:34 |
| XVampireX | No idea | 02:34 |
| Jucato | Riddell: excuse me, just wondering... will the terminal emulator-thing for Adept be fixed in Feisty? the one that gives problems when approving licenses like Java's? | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: ask manchicken that when he comes bakc ;P | 02:37 |
| Jucato | I think he said Riddell was the one fixing it... | 02:37 |
| Jucato | bah nvm.. it's not like I can fix it :P | 02:37 |
| mhb | Jucato: it's not that you can't :o) | 02:37 |
| Jucato | well technically, I can't yet :P | 02:37 |
| Riddell | Jucato: yes, it's a priority | 02:37 |
| mhb | some fixes are really trivial, although it may not be this one | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: i'll look into it | 02:38 |
| XVampireX | Hobbsee: Thank you :) | 02:39 |
| zakame | where can I help out to fix bugs in? :) | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | zakame: kdebase, maybe? | 02:39 |
| === zakame checks | ||
| mhb | goodnight folks | 02:44 |
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| _StefanS_ | night | 02:45 |
| zakame | hmm bug #61946, who's working on that? | 02:53 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss] umount progress dialog missing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/61946 | 02:53 |
| Riddell | zakame: nobody, it's an upstream issue and apparantly not an easy one to fix | 02:54 |
| zakame | i see... so it's on the kde bugtracker I gather, should we note that on the bug if so? | 02:56 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I'm off, gave up on the extra settings. And now I reverted, I still get that error from the patches. | 03:03 |
| _StefanS_ | crap | 03:03 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: foo | 03:03 |
| _StefanS_ | I wasted 2 hours and now still don't work | 03:03 |
| _StefanS_ | good nite | 03:04 |
| === Riddell hugs _StefanS_ | ||
| === _StefanS_ falls asleep standing | ||
| _StefanS_ | I'm off | 03:04 |
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| ScottK | Heya Hobbsee, still wading through trying to get Kmail to do S/MIME. I know that gpgsm sees the keys OK, so that's not it. I'll let you know when I figure it out or give up. | 03:19 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: cool :) | 03:19 |
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| XVampireX | Are there any plans to work on even more wireless support? | 03:36 |
| XVampireX | And thinking less about "freedom" ? | 03:36 |
| Riddell | ? | 03:36 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: explain? | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: as in, more wireless support, where the wireless drivers are closed source? | 03:37 |
| XVampireX | Yes | 03:37 |
| Hobbsee | the ones that we're allowed to include, we do, iirc | 03:38 |
| XVampireX | Oh | 03:38 |
| Hobbsee | stuff that we cant distribute legally, no | 03:39 |
| XVampireX | Shame :-/ | 03:39 |
| zakame | just making sure... is wlassistant shipped in kubuntu cds right? | 03:39 |
| Riddell | in edgy yes | 03:39 |
| Riddell | not in feisty | 03:40 |
| zakame | what's in feisty? | 03:40 |
| Riddell | knetworkmanager | 03:40 |
| XVampireX | How would one configure a wireless card/router/etc... if they don't have an internet connection? | 03:40 |
| XVampireX | knetworkmanager is really nice :) | 03:40 |
| zakame | oh... does it do run-parts on the /etc/network/if-{,pre-}{up,down}.d/ scripts? | 03:41 |
| XVampireX | run parts? | 03:41 |
| Riddell | no | 03:41 |
| === Riddell beds | ||
| Hobbsee | night Riddell! | 03:42 |
| zakame | awww, I wish it had that ;) | 03:42 |
| zakame | gn8 Riddell | 03:42 |
| zakame | and thanks | 03:42 |
| Jucato | night Riddell | 03:43 |
| XVampireX | Are there any new optimizations in feisty? It seems ALOT faster | 03:43 |
| XVampireX | And that's not just me, so it's definitely not a feeling | 03:43 |
| === zakame looks forward to those optimizations | ||
| === Jucato looks forward to... um.. dunno lol | ||
| XVampireX | (03:58:02) Andy: Fantastic feisty. Have you noticed the performance improvement? Damn. | 03:44 |
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| XVampireX | Good night Riddel, yeah :D | 03:45 |
| stdin | edgy actually seems slow in comparison and I remember thinking "Wow, this is much faster then dapper" | 03:45 |
| stdin | s/then/than/ | 03:45 |
| zakame | hehe | 03:45 |
| XVampireX | I wonder what causes that, newer kernel? | 03:46 |
| stdin | most likely | 03:46 |
| stdin | that and cleaner code would be my guess | 03:46 |
| XVampireX | haha | 03:47 |
| XVampireX | Linux is really heading to the right place. More so ubuntu derivatives :) | 03:55 |
| XVampireX | I really like how you also integrate winecfg in KDE/Qt interface in System Settings :) | 04:13 |
| mstemle | Why on earth would we put winecfg into kde-systemsettings? | 04:14 |
| Jucato | it's actually already in KControl | 04:15 |
| Jucato | in Edgy it wasn't put into System Settings, even if Wine was installed | 04:15 |
| manchicken | Silly konversation. | 04:15 |
| manchicken | I think it kinda silly to put it into system settings. | 04:16 |
| Jucato | winecfg itself isn't. it's a KDE frontend to winecfg | 04:16 |
| XVampireX | manchicken: I mean what Jucato said | 04:16 |
| manchicken | I don't understand why we'd do that. I wasn't aware we encouraged the use of wine. | 04:17 |
| XVampireX | Jucato: That's what I said, KDE/Qt interface :) | 04:17 |
| Jucato | strangely enough, on this new edgy install.. it isn't there anymore.. must be something I installed earlier | 04:17 |
| === Jucato senses a FSF sermon coming up... | ||
| XVampireX | haha! | 04:17 |
| XVampireX | Yeah, I totally agree... we should concentrate on usability instead of just plain making people think they are free | 04:18 |
| manchicken | Not FSF sermon. Support limitations. | 04:18 |
| Jucato | anyway, like I said, it's not there by default | 04:18 |
| Jucato | it just exists. but it's not Kubuntu's doing, afaik | 04:18 |
| XVampireX | I didn't come over to Linux to see that I don't have the options to use Windows software | 04:18 |
| manchicken | XVampireX: I would disagree with you there. | 04:18 |
| manchicken | XVampireX: But it's not our job to support non-free software. | 04:19 |
| XVampireX | Wine is free | 04:19 |
| manchicken | But it's not used for those purposes most of the time. | 04:19 |
| Jucato | (ubuntu supports nvidia-glx...) | 04:19 |
| XVampireX | Windows software may or may not be free | 04:19 |
| manchicken | Wine is also quite flakey still. | 04:19 |
| XVampireX | wine works great for me | 04:19 |
| manchicken | XVampireX: More often then not it isn't free. | 04:19 |
| === Jucato wonders which part of "not from Kubuntu anyway" didn't get noticed... | ||
| XVampireX | Well yeah, figure why people want to use photoshop first | 04:20 |
| XVampireX | Oh, one more thing | 04:20 |
| XVampireX | What is being done for read/write of NTFS? | 04:20 |
| zakame | ntfs-3g? | 04:20 |
| XVampireX | Not installed by default? | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | mp | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | no | 04:20 |
| XVampireX | Oh | 04:20 |
| stdin | because it's beta | 04:20 |
| zakame | yes, very beta | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: what the forums tell you != what's actually happening. | 04:20 |
| === manchicken thought there were patent reasons for that as well. | ||
| zakame | brb, cooking | 04:21 |
| XVampireX | Maybe for friendliness, you could supply the most needed software as a package on the CD... so people without internet connection could easily install it? | 04:21 |
| Jucato | brb sleeping | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: ndiswrapper is there already | 04:21 |
| manchicken | XVampireX: CDs only have so much room. | 04:21 |
| XVampireX | ndiswrapper is on CD? Oh, neat! | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: and when you find a cd that has unlimited space....do let me kow | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: yes, has been for ages. | 04:21 |
| XVampireX | Heh :) | 04:21 |
| Jucato | yes, Ubuntu will be at the forefront of unlimited CD space Live CD's | 04:22 |
| XVampireX | I thought we had to download it from apt online repositories :( | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: i mean, we could include all of main on the cd, if it werent for space | 04:22 |
| praetor | Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine." | 04:22 |
| praetor | too rich | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: no, that would just be stupid. even !ndiswrapper tells you that | 04:22 |
| XVampireX | Hobbsee: DVD version? | 04:22 |
| XVampireX | you could raise some money with the DVD version you sell in amazon | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: most people dont have a dvd burner, nor the bandwidth | 04:22 |
| XVampireX | Well you sell CDs in amazon, yeah? | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | besides, that's been discussed on hte ubuntu-devel mailing list. go read it :) | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | someone does, yeah. not me personally | 04:23 |
| manchicken | Why does the install media have to be beefy? | 04:23 |
| XVampireX | I'm not a mailing list guy :( | 04:23 |
| manchicken | Why not just install minimally and then apt-get the rest? | 04:23 |
| manchicken | That's what adept is for. | 04:23 |
| XVampireX | because maybe people don't have the internet connections? | 04:23 |
| XVampireX | fast or not at all | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: yes, but we're not suse/mandrake/{insert other distros with 5 cds} | 04:24 |
| manchicken | XVampireX: Then how would having it on the DVD, or having it on amazon help them? | 04:24 |
| XVampireX | They would buy it | 04:24 |
| XVampireX | You would raise some money | 04:24 |
| manchicken | How would they buy anything online without internet access? | 04:24 |
| XVampireX | and could use it for development | 04:24 |
| XVampireX | how would you know about ubuntu without internet access? :D | 04:25 |
| manchicken | Development isn't that expensive. | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | if you want absolutely everything on cd, then you really need to go for another distro. or the dvd version. ubuntu isnt everything to everyone | 04:25 |
| XVampireX | I don't want everything on the CD | 04:25 |
| XVampireX | I want the neccessary things | 04:25 |
| manchicken | And we do our best to provide what is necessary. | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | most, if not all, are on there :) | 04:25 |
| XVampireX | Thank you :) | 04:25 |
| manchicken | ntfs beta stuff isn't necessary. | 04:26 |
| manchicken | Matter of fact, it could really damage file systems. | 04:26 |
| XVampireX | I heard that | 04:26 |
| manchicken | And that really isn't necessary. | 04:26 |
| XVampireX | what about FUSE? | 04:26 |
| Jucato | the Desktop CD's are not meant for intensive recovery anyway (like KNOPPIX) | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | it's just what you define as "necessary" isnt what i define as "necessary" nor anyone else's "necessary" | 04:26 |
| manchicken | Slow, unnecessary, not always the most stable. | 04:26 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: mind you, they're getting better. i think it was time for writing ubiquity that means it's not that full featured yet. | 04:27 |
| XVampireX | Oh, another thing, what about setting up an internet connection? | 04:27 |
| manchicken | Jucato: FSF membership card is excellent for recovery ^_^ | 04:27 |
| manchicken | XVampireX: What about it? | 04:27 |
| XVampireX | For example, I have a speedtouch modem, and I connect via PPTP, how would I set it up? | 04:27 |
| Jucato | Hobbsee: for installing and running a Live CD, yes it's getting better. but for backupa and recovery like what KNOPPIX offers? maybe not | 04:27 |
| Jucato | manchicken: bah | 04:27 |
| Jucato | :P | 04:28 |
| XVampireX | Right now I'm using a router and I would like a direct connection as I have no idea how to connect directly | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: true that. | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: kppp? it doesnt work out of the box though. | 04:28 |
| XVampireX | Ah | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | there's a README that documents why | 04:28 |
| manchicken | Jucato: I learned that the easy way. Plopped in my membership card when I was having trouble. | 04:28 |
| XVampireX | That's the pain... | 04:28 |
| XVampireX | Hope it gets resolved in the future | 04:29 |
| Jucato | manchicken: I have no plans of applying for membership just for a recovery card :P | 04:29 |
| manchicken | XVampireX: Most of these weird services don't give their customers enough information to directly connect. | 04:29 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: what's the plan? | 04:29 |
| manchicken | Jucato: The membership card is merely a fringe benefit. Supporting GNU is the real benefit ^_^ | 04:29 |
| XVampireX | Hobbsee: Hmm? | 04:29 |
| Hobbsee | oh. pain | 04:29 |
| XVampireX | Well, my plan is to get up and running with python | 04:30 |
| === Hobbsee cant read | ||
| manchicken | Jucato: They've been donating oodles of money to make free MMORPGs ^_^ | 04:30 |
| === Jucato whistles innocently... "if you say so..." | ||
| XVampireX | So I can help with building interfaces for people who need usability | 04:30 |
| Jucato | manchicken: hm... I presume you've read what happened to that campaign... | 04:30 |
| manchicken | Jucato: Doesn't mean they aren't looking for other projects to support. | 04:30 |
| manchicken | Jucato: gcc and emacs are still worth supporting. | 04:31 |
| XVampireX | Any idea if Linux Kernel will support force feedback on gamepads? | 04:31 |
| Jucato | ah of course.. gcc... where would we be without that | 04:31 |
| manchicken | Jucato: A bunch of source code. | 04:31 |
| manchicken | Jucato: Not much to do with it. | 04:31 |
| Jucato | or used another compiler... :D | 04:31 |
| === Jucato is really groggy.... wonders why | ||
| manchicken | Jucato: Why use anything else when you've already got the best one? | 04:32 |
| Jucato | it's the only one I know anyway... I mean on Linux. | 04:32 |
| manchicken | You mean on GNU? ;) | 04:33 |
| manchicken | They have one for every OS out there. | 04:33 |
| manchicken | Solaris, OSX, BSD, Win, Haiku, OS/2 | 04:34 |
| manchicken | HPUX, etc. | 04:34 |
| Jucato | I mean Linux | 04:34 |
| Jucato | I haven't tried any of those | 04:34 |
| Jucato | other ones | 04:34 |
| manchicken | Kernels don't use compilers silly ;) | 04:34 |
| manchicken | Operating systems use compilers. | 04:34 |
| === Jucato sighs... GNU/Linux if you must insist | ||
| manchicken | :P | 04:34 |
| manchicken | GNU is all I insist on. GNU with a Darwin kernel feels exactly the same. | 04:35 |
| manchicken | I tried Debian's GNU/Darwin the other day. | 04:35 |
| manchicken | I didn't know it until I uname -a'ed it. | 04:35 |
| === Jucato leaves manchicken with his gnu... | ||
| manchicken | Was running KDE and everything. | 04:36 |
| === Jucato tries to sleep... | ||
| manchicken | Jucato: Yeah, good luck with that ^_^ | 04:36 |
| Jucato | almost noon... and I can't sleep until the garbage truck passes by... | 04:36 |
| manchicken | Wow. | 04:36 |
| manchicken | I know that feeling. | 04:37 |
| manchicken | It's 21:45 CST | 04:37 |
| zakame | Jucato: have you slept? | 04:37 |
| Jucato | zakame: yeah.. dunno why I always feel sleepy the past days | 04:37 |
| zakame | hopefully not tse-tse :( | 04:38 |
| === Jucato slept 2 AM to.. um.. hm.. 7 AM? | ||
| XVampireX | Last thing | 04:46 |
| XVampireX | Is there going to be a dialog for kubuntu like gdebi for installing debs? | 04:46 |
| XVampireX | or are you staying with right click? | 04:46 |
| zakame | oh shi-, I got hit by a dist-upgrade bug on adept-common and adept-notifier | 04:46 |
| zakame | bug #82651 | 04:46 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82651 in adept "File overwrite problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82651 | 04:46 |
| Jucato | iirc that was a plan. not sure if porting will push through... | 04:47 |
| XVampireX | You're trying to port it to Qt? | 04:47 |
| === Jucato shrugs... | ||
| zakame | any workarounds on this? | 04:48 |
| XVampireX | --force-all | 04:49 |
| XVampireX | in dpkg | 04:49 |
| stdin | if in doubt, use the force | 04:49 |
| XVampireX | :P | 04:50 |
| zakame | well, aside from that | 04:50 |
| zakame | confirming the above-mentioned bug... | 04:50 |
| XVampireX | It should definitely be confirmed | 04:51 |
| XVampireX | looks like someone did it just now | 04:52 |
| zakame | that would be me :P | 04:52 |
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| zakame | wb manchicken | 04:52 |
| manchicken | ty | 04:52 |
| manchicken | Just switching lappies. | 04:53 |
| XVampireX | Oh, and for feisty you can add basKet instead of knotes | 04:53 |
| === Jucato wonders if he should wb manchicken too... | ||
| manchicken | Jucato: Why wouldn't you? ;) | 04:58 |
| zakame | hehe | 04:58 |
| Jucato | because I should be sleeping lol | 04:58 |
| === Jucato trying to fight it... with food | ||
| Jucato | brb lunch | 04:58 |
| manchicken | Then get to it. | 04:58 |
| Jucato | kain na tayo zakame :D | 04:58 |
| === manchicken is not Philipino :P | ||
| zakame | still cooking lunch | 04:59 |
| Jucato | Filipino :P | 04:59 |
| zakame | Pinoy | 04:59 |
| manchicken | filipino. | 04:59 |
| Jucato | manchicken: that meant "let's eat, zakame" | 04:59 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 04:59 |
| Jucato | notice where the comma is, btw | 04:59 |
| manchicken | heh | 05:00 |
| Jucato | because "let's eat zakame" would be totally weird... | 05:00 |
| zakame | lol! | 05:00 |
| Jucato | not to mention it would probably taste bad :P | 05:00 |
| manchicken | It's good that you wouldn't want to join others in consuming your buddy zakame ;) | 05:00 |
| Jucato | hah there are so few Filipino ubuntu members, I'd rather turn us into an endangered specie | 05:01 |
| === Jucato eats | ||
| manchicken | Nice. | 05:02 |
| manchicken | anybody know if the adept indicator tooltip patch has been committed yet? | 05:06 |
| === XVampireX sighs in relief of a fixed bug, now I know that feisty is even more stable than I thought :D | ||
| manchicken | XVampireX: You fixed a bug? | 05:11 |
| XVampireX | Well I reported it, and it seems like it's somehow either fixed itself or something fixed it :) | 05:11 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 05:11 |
| XVampireX | the move to: bug I was talking about before, that crashed konqi | 05:12 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: i'm not in favour of that (basket over knotes) | 05:14 |
| XVampireX | Why? | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | because then i cant upload it :P | 05:15 |
| XVampireX | Oh, well, it has some openusability projects now, so I'm quite sure it'll get even better | 05:15 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: indeed. | 05:15 |
| XVampireX | but I think the application would be pretty useful | 05:15 |
| === Hobbsee should go for main, maybe, at some point | ||
| Hobbsee | yes, it is :) | 05:15 |
| XVampireX | Heh | 05:16 |
| XVampireX | Why I suggested it was because of Tomboy in Gnome | 05:17 |
| XVampireX | This is something I like about Linux though, you're a part of community which helps each other. In Windows I felt like I was on my own. And with no choice of learning the operating system I use without resorting to administrator courses | 05:19 |
| XVampireX | I would like to participate in the ubuntu marketing team though, and then gradually get into development as I learn Python (That's something I just gotta do, but I'm lazy, it seems :P) | 05:21 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: You know if Riddell was planning on fixing that missing arrow bug in adept that the support indicator icon patch introduced/ | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | try #ubuntu-marketing | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: no idea, havent read the logs of here. | 05:23 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: I'm hoping he doesn't fix all my bugs. If I have zarro boogs I'll have nothing to do in 2 weeks. | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | lol | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | we can find you something, dont worry :) | 05:24 |
| manchicken | heh | 05:24 |
| zakame | would you fix bug #82651 quick quick? :P | 05:24 |
| Ubugtu | Malone bug 82651 in adept "File overwrite problem" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82651 | 05:24 |
| manchicken | zakame: Until feature freeze I'm cramming on features. | 05:25 |
| zakame | haha | 05:25 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: I used synaptic for the first time today. Very neat. | 05:25 |
| manchicken | Many ideas to be taken from there. | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: indeed :) | 05:25 |
| Hobbsee | zakame: finding a main sponsor will be very hard today | 05:26 |
| manchicken | zakame: I'm not sure which bugs I'll get to. | 05:27 |
| manchicken | Though I think a beer would do well to accelerate my progress.... | 05:27 |
| manchicken | brb | 05:27 |
| zakame | Hobbsee: until then, any workaround on it? | 05:28 |
| manchicken | Hacker... what an appropriately named beer. | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | zakame: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/deb/adept-common.....deb | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | with imbrandon not here most of the time due to work, finding a main sponsor on a weekend is a waste of time, normally | 05:29 |
| XVampireX | I have a huge problem now | 05:30 |
| praetor | Konqueror crash-happy for anyone? | 05:30 |
| praetor | whenever I close it, it seems to crash | 05:30 |
| XVampireX | I just burned a CD, when I go to media:/ in konqueror, I see a Blank CD-R icon | 05:30 |
| manchicken | XVampireX: You might have more luck in #kubuntu with that. | 05:31 |
| zakame | Hobbsee: thanks | 05:31 |
| XVampireX | When I try to double click it, a Question dialog appears | 05:31 |
| Hobbsee | XVampireX: use /media/ | 05:31 |
| XVampireX | the one in /media/ shows a cdrom0 with an icon as if it has something, but when I double click it, nothing is inside it, also the same with the icon on the desktop (Which is a link to the cdrom0 it seems) | 05:32 |
| XVampireX | when I go in console to /media/cdrom0 however.... | 05:32 |
| === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+o Hobbsee] by ChanServ | ||
| XVampireX | Ah | 05:33 |
| XVampireX | refresh did the trick... but that was weird | 05:33 |
| === mode/#kubuntu-devel [+b *!*@88.232.*] by Hobbsee | ||
| XVampireX | is that a ban on me? :P | 05:34 |
| Hobbsee | no | 05:34 |
| === XVampireX reports a bug | ||
| === mode/#kubuntu-devel [-o Hobbsee] by ChanServ | ||
| Hobbsee | which bug? | 05:35 |
| XVampireX | the one I just described | 05:36 |
| XVampireX | icon in media:/ won't open correctly at all, and /media/cdrom0 doesn't mount correctly (needs to refresh for it to detect the CD inside, it seems) | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | you dont need to | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | it's known. it'll just be marked as a dupe | 05:36 |
| Hobbsee | (it's due to sime's patches, which i cant remember if we're removing or not) | 05:37 |
| XVampireX | This is even weirder | 05:37 |
| === Hobbsee pokes those who were at the meeting | ||
| XVampireX | "The device was successfully unmounted, but the tray could not be opened" | 05:37 |
| praetor | eject /dev/device | 05:37 |
| XVampireX | is that also a part of the bug? | 05:38 |
| XVampireX | oh, ok, that was my fault | 05:39 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: I think that decision was tabled. | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | right | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | who's writing the minutes ofr the meeting? | 05:39 |
| manchicken | Heh, not me. | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | hrm | 05:40 |
| manchicken | I'm terrible at taking notes. | 05:42 |
| === Hobbsee will find someone to poke | ||
| manchicken | In highschool I took a college prep class. We had a lesson once where we were to take notes on a lecture, and then our notes were graded. | 05:43 |
| manchicken | I got a 23%. | 05:43 |
| Hobbsee | lol | 05:44 |
| Hobbsee | ouch | 05:44 |
| manchicken | Yeah. I don't take notes. | 05:44 |
| manchicken | I got a 98% on the final though. | 05:44 |
| XVampireX | congrats | 05:44 |
| Hobbsee | nice :) | 05:44 |
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| manchicken | That was about 8 years ago. | 05:45 |
| === manchicken cheers. | ||
| === manchicken behaves... | ||
| manchicken | SWEET! I got my branch merge committed to my trunk branch. | 05:50 |
| manchicken | Now to fire off a trunk build to verify the merge. | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:53 |
| manchicken | These UI files are weird. | 05:55 |
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| makuseru | will KDE4 be in Kubuntu Fiesty Fawn? | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | no | 06:29 |
| makuseru | when will it be out? | 06:29 |
| Jucato | makuseru: there's no target date | 06:30 |
| Jucato | for KDE 4 | 06:30 |
| poningru | makuseru: thats not due till like winter | 06:30 |
| makuseru | wow | 06:30 |
| makuseru | another year? | 06:30 |
| Jucato | no | 06:30 |
| Jucato | most probably (just probably) 2nd half of this year | 06:31 |
| makuseru | oh ok | 06:31 |
| makuseru | why so long | 06:31 |
| Hobbsee | because it's got major changes in it | 06:31 |
| Jucato | because it is long... it's not like another release | 06:31 |
| makuseru | oh | 06:31 |
| makuseru | ok | 06:31 |
| Jucato | there are big changes in the source code | 06:31 |
| poningru | makuseru: keep in mind kde is like a complete rewrite | 06:32 |
| Jucato | but not from scratch | 06:32 |
| poningru | right | 06:32 |
| poningru | they threw away bunch of code | 06:32 |
| makuseru | i didnt know there were going to be major changes | 06:32 |
| poningru | ha | 06:33 |
| poningru | like crazy changes | 06:33 |
| Jucato | makuseru: KDE 3.x uses Qt 3.x. KDE 4 will be using the new Qt 4.x, so they have to "port" (transfer, change) a lot of code over | 06:33 |
| makuseru | oh ok | 06:33 |
| poningru | qt 4 is like crazy | 06:33 |
| poningru | svg++ | 06:33 |
| poningru | like all the games is like crazy awesome | 06:33 |
| Jucato | makuseru: and more than just porting code, they also have to implement new stuff | 06:33 |
| poningru | keep in mind all this stuff will have to run on osx, win and linux | 06:34 |
| makuseru | what? | 06:34 |
| poningru | yeah dude | 06:34 |
| makuseru | KDE on OSX and Win? | 06:34 |
| poningru | kde4 will run everything on windows osx and linux | 06:34 |
| poningru | yeah dude | 06:34 |
| Jucato | um.. | 06:34 |
| Jucato | KDE *apps* will be able to (can) run on OS X and Win | 06:35 |
| poningru | right | 06:35 |
| Jucato | but KDE itself as a whole? most probably not | 06:35 |
| makuseru | *goes with Jucato on that one* | 06:35 |
| Jucato | also, a large part of it will depend on whether there will be people who will actually port the KDE apps out of *nix | 06:35 |
| Jucato | some apps already are | 06:35 |
| makuseru | im looking foreward to Ubunut Studio | 06:36 |
| makuseru | Ubuntu* | 06:36 |
| manchicken | As am I. | 06:36 |
| makuseru | even if its Gnome and not KDE | 06:37 |
| Jucato | makuseru: I suggest keeping a watch on http://dot.kde.org which currently has articles on "sneak" previews on what is on KDE 4 already, or what we can expect | 06:37 |
| makuseru | thanks | 06:37 |
| poningru | keep in mind I am kinda drunk here | 06:37 |
| poningru | so... | 06:37 |
| === poningru stops ircing | ||
| Jucato | nah! IRCing is fun under the influence :P | 06:37 |
| makuseru | ha | 06:37 |
| manchicken | Jucato: Where's your offtopic hammer tonight? ;)( | 06:38 |
| Jucato | manchicken: I have no power here, Gandalf the Grey | 06:38 |
| makuseru | Jucatos reign is in #kubuntu? | 06:38 |
| manchicken | Weaksauce ;) | 06:38 |
| Jucato | open sores :P | 06:38 |
| Jucato | makuseru: yes :P | 06:39 |
| makuseru | thought so | 06:39 |
| manchicken | Jucato: Freeze oft ware | 06:39 |
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| manchicken | Hobbsee: **I KNOW** how I want to implement changelog display! | 06:40 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: woo! | 06:40 |
| manchicken | It's gonna be a tab in the details view | 06:40 |
| manchicken | "Developer Changelog" | 06:41 |
| Hobbsee | nice :) | 06:41 |
| Jucato | nice! | 06:41 |
| manchicken | Total UI pwnage is mine. | 06:41 |
| Jucato | it's like how kpackage does it... | 06:41 |
| === Jucato finds it weird that manchicken is working on Adept and doesn't have the other PM's installed :P | ||
| manchicken | I installed Synaptic on my work lappy. | 06:41 |
| Jucato | kpackage? | 06:42 |
| manchicken | I set up all three buntus in vmware on my work lappy. | 06:42 |
| manchicken | Don't know about kpackage. | 06:42 |
| manchicken | And remember, I didn't set out to work on adept, just the wrong place at the wrong time ;) | 06:42 |
| manchicken | But it is a fun program to work on. | 06:42 |
| Jucato | of course. but since you're working already :P | 06:42 |
| manchicken | Research is for sissies. | 06:43 |
| manchicken | heh | 06:43 |
| Jucato | lol | 06:43 |
| Jucato | then that makes me a sissy, and darn proud of it, if that's the case :P | 06:43 |
| manchicken | heh | 06:43 |
| Jucato | anyone adept (no pun) at pbuilder around? :( | 06:44 |
| === Jucato can't make an edgy pbuilder.. complains something about line 1 in sources.list... | ||
| manchicken | Fun. | 06:46 |
| Jucato | I mean, how do you check that?? | 06:46 |
| manchicken | I don't use pbuilder, though I hear it's quite useful. | 06:46 |
| manchicken | Look in /etc/apt/sources.list | 06:46 |
| Jucato | hm.. my *own* sources.list? nothing wrong in there.. I can update just fine | 06:46 |
| Jucato | I'm having trouble with edgy pbuilder's sources.list... | 06:47 |
| manchicken | It would be in the chroot's pbuilder.... | 06:47 |
| manchicken | Are you doing an edgy pbuilder for testing? | 06:47 |
| Jucato | for future testing and building.. yes | 06:47 |
| Jucato | I'm planning to package something ASAP for Feisty, then build it for Edgy too... | 06:48 |
| === Jucato taking a crash course on packaging | ||
| manchicken | Ah. | 06:48 |
| manchicken | I just do all my hacking in chroot. | 06:48 |
| Jucato | oh... | 06:48 |
| === Jucato is following the almost confusing Packaging Guide | ||
| manchicken | Man, superkaramba likes to crash. | 06:50 |
| Jucato | you're just unlucky... or used the bad themes :) | 06:50 |
| manchicken | I love it, but it does get old when it crashes. | 06:50 |
| manchicken | liquidweather. | 06:50 |
| manchicken | Though I think I'm on an old version. | 06:50 |
| === Jucato only likes Liquidweather to study it... | ||
| Jucato | old version of? | 06:50 |
| Jucato | LW? | 06:50 |
| manchicken | Yeah, I'm on 14.3 | 06:51 |
| manchicken | Current is 14.4 | 06:51 |
| Jucato | ah | 06:51 |
| === Jucato told himself he won't play w/ superkaramba again until he makes his own themes... :( | ||
| manchicken | Ah, it's 14.5 | 06:51 |
| Jucato | :P | 06:52 |
| manchicken | I'm surprised that I'm the only person who's tired of web development. | 06:53 |
| Jucato | one word: buzz | 06:54 |
| manchicken | The handful of the guys in my GLUG are telling me that web development is the future, and that C++ and C are obsolete languages that're on the decline. | 06:55 |
| manchicken | heh | 06:55 |
| Jucato | ha! and I wonder what language was used to create the stuff that their web apps will run on | 06:56 |
| manchicken | Evidently, Ruby, PHP, and Java will take over the world. | 06:58 |
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| Jucato | ha | 06:58 |
| manchicken | God help us all. | 06:59 |
| n8k99_ | COBOL COBOL COBOL | 06:59 |
| === Jucato thinks n8k99_ just sounded like a turkey... | ||
| n8k99_ | sorry, old twitch in my system | 06:59 |
| === n8k99_ had to change his pants from laughing too hard | ||
| Jucato | heh :P | 07:01 |
| manchicken | COBOL has its place. | 07:01 |
| manchicken | Like... banking and insurance software. | 07:01 |
| manchicken | Mainframes. | 07:01 |
| n8k99_ | yes it does - just like C, C++ ,and C# all have their places | 07:04 |
| n8k99_ | heck even Lisp has its place | 07:04 |
| manchicken | Lisp has a good place. | 07:04 |
| manchicken | Particularly in my text editor. | 07:04 |
| n8k99_ | have you read Paul Graham? | 07:04 |
| manchicken | Naw. | 07:08 |
| zakame | back | 07:08 |
| zakame | now onf feity, hawt! :D | 07:08 |
| n8k99_ | he is a tremendous advocate of lisp | 07:08 |
| zakame | fiesta feisty fawn, hehe | 07:08 |
| n8k99_ | manchicken would you do me a favor? | 07:13 |
| manchicken | n8k99_: I suppose I could try | 07:13 |
| n8k99_ | you do understand coding correct? | 07:14 |
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| manchicken | Sometimes... before the 4th or 5th beer. | 07:15 |
| n8k99_ | i just had to write an analysis for a problem in my algorithmns & logic class | 07:15 |
| manchicken | You're in luck, I'm about to start number 2. | 07:15 |
| manchicken | You want a review? | 07:15 |
| n8k99_ | was wondering if you could spot check it for me - its all pseudocode | 07:15 |
| manchicken | Okay. | 07:15 |
| manchicken | I must warn you first... I'm very picky | 07:15 |
| manchicken | Very picky. | 07:16 |
| n8k99_ | good. | 07:16 |
| manchicken | But I'll give you a look if you want. | 07:16 |
| manchicken | Pastebin it for me and I'll take a peek. | 07:16 |
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| n8k99_ | http://eckenrodehouse.net/kubuntu/UnitPrice.txt | 07:19 |
| manchicken | What language are you mimicking? | 07:20 |
| n8k99_ | i'm not sure really, maybe java? | 07:21 |
| n8k99_ | i think the point was more to solve the problem than to write code | 07:22 |
| manchicken | Looks okay | 07:27 |
| manchicken | Perhaps overengineered. | 07:27 |
| n8k99_ | hmm... how so? | 07:27 |
| manchicken | Your description doesn't look like it would need so many modules. | 07:28 |
| n8k99_ | i couldnt think of how to do multiple products | 07:29 |
| n8k99_ | without a loop of some sort | 07:30 |
| n8k99_ | but thank you for looking at it | 07:31 |
| manchicken | No problem. Just try to think simpler. | 07:31 |
| n8k99_ | i'll work on that | 07:31 |
| n8k99_ | lol | 07:31 |
| manchicken | Cool. | 07:31 |
| manchicken | The simple solution is often the best one | 07:32 |
| n8k99_ | right | 07:32 |
| n8k99_ | my head likes things nice and complicated - don't know wy | 07:33 |
| manchicken | heh | 07:33 |
| manchicken | Sometimes complicated helps get simple. | 07:33 |
| n8k99_ | cause you get to seewhat isunnecessary? | 07:34 |
| manchicken | Well, because you get to understand what you're really trying to do. | 07:35 |
| n8k99_ | ah | 07:35 |
| manchicken | I screwed around in adept for a week before I figured out how to work with the qlistviewitem records. | 07:35 |
| manchicken | Tried several approaches, thought it was going to be complicated. Once I figured it out, it couldn't have been simpler. | 07:36 |
| n8k99_ | the what? | 07:36 |
| n8k99_ | oops- i just came at that from the otherside! | 07:37 |
| manchicken | The QListViewItem records. | 07:37 |
| zakame | hehe | 07:40 |
| n8k99_ | did that have anything to do with the nifty new way adept opens an item to show the descriptions | 07:41 |
| Jucato | occam's (ockham) razor: the simplest answer is often the correct/best one... | 07:43 |
| === n8k99_ has a beard, isn't familiar with razors | ||
| Jucato | rofl | 07:44 |
| Jucato | hm.. a turkey with a beard... now I've heard everything : | 07:45 |
| Jucato | :D | 07:45 |
| n8k99_ | what! all hokies have beards! | 07:45 |
| === manchicken is bearded. | ||
| Jucato | :) | 07:45 |
| manchicken | I've gotta find a photo of me. | 07:45 |
| === Jucato gotta resist the urge to get a razor... :) | ||
| === n8k99_ is looking at the QListViewItem Class | ||
| n8k99_ | silly question- this class, being part of the Qt toolset, is used all over KDE not just adept | 07:48 |
| === Jucato presumes used in KDE only when necessary... not everything in KDE needs a list view :) | ||
| n8k99_ | naturally. | 07:49 |
| n8k99_ | but like in Kmail listing the mails within a folder | 07:50 |
| manchicken | Yes. | 07:50 |
| Jucato | in Konqueror list view modes, in Keyboard shortcuts dialog box | 07:51 |
| n8k99_ | copy that | 07:51 |
| manchicken | Qt stuff is all over KDE. | 07:51 |
| manchicken | Much of KDE's widget library--if not all--is derived directly from Qt. | 07:51 |
| n8k99_ | i was familiar with the the order, Qt --> KDE | 07:51 |
| Jucato | hm... | 07:51 |
| Jucato | don't mind me.. hmm'ing about something else... | 07:51 |
| n8k99_ | just looking at it in a closer perspective now | 07:52 |
| Jucato | ok that is just weird... | 07:52 |
| === n8k99_ not sure he know s when to mind Jucato ;-) | ||
| Jucato | heh | 07:52 |
| n8k99_ | what's just weird? | 07:52 |
| Jucato | something with the list views... | 07:53 |
| Jucato | trying to confirm... | 07:53 |
| Jucato | ok... there seems to be two types of lists in KDE/Qt... or there's a bug... | 07:53 |
| zakame | er? | 07:54 |
| Jucato | simple test... manchicken, n8k99_, can you arrange/sort columns in Adept's list right now? | 07:54 |
| manchicken | nope | 07:55 |
| Jucato | I thought so... | 07:55 |
| Jucato | I remember being able to do that before | 07:55 |
| manchicken | I didn't break it. It's not sortable on edgy. | 07:55 |
| Jucato | I think it's an upstream bug though, since I noticed this when I was running KDE compiled from SVN | 07:55 |
| Jucato | heh don't worry, it's not just Adept :P | 07:55 |
| n8k99_ | i can | 07:56 |
| Jucato | n8k99_: edgy? | 07:56 |
| n8k99_ | um, no feisty | 07:56 |
| Jucato | er.. what KDE version | 07:56 |
| n8k99_ | 356 | 07:56 |
| Jucato | hmm... | 07:56 |
| n8k99_ | and just did today's update | 07:57 |
| Jucato | n8k99_: you're clicking on the column titles to sort according to status? so that all the installed packages will be listed first, for example? | 07:57 |
| n8k99_ | yes | 07:57 |
| Jucato | strange.. very strange... | 07:57 |
| manchicken | I wonder if someone put it in there. | 07:57 |
| manchicken | I haven't merged in anybody else's changes for some time. | 07:58 |
| Jucato | how about this: Keyboard Shortcuts: General Shortcuts tab: can't sort list. Application Shortcuts tab, can sort list | 07:58 |
| n8k99_ | oh wait- that's not working for me, but i can arrange teh columns | 07:58 |
| Jucato | rawr!! | 07:58 |
| zakame | heh yakuake's in Lost and Found now | 07:58 |
| Jucato | must be a 3.5.6 bug or something.. | 07:59 |
| zakame | sorted lists not doable in adept now, but I can sort them in ktorrent | 07:59 |
| Jucato | yes. I can sort in Konqueror, KMail, Akregator... | 07:59 |
| zakame | probably another bug in adept's ui | 07:59 |
| Jucato | zakame: nope... | 08:00 |
| Jucato | try Keyboard shortcuts too | 08:00 |
| Jucato | System Settings (or KControl) -> Keyboard Shortcuts | 08:00 |
| Jucato | You can't sort Global Shortcuts tab, but you can the Application Shortcuts | 08:00 |
| zakame | yeah, reproducible here | 08:01 |
| Jucato | must be a 3.5.6 bug... or maybe even 3.5.5 that I didn't notice... weird :P | 08:01 |
| n8k99_ | it works in system settings > ntifications | 08:02 |
| n8k99_ | erm notifications | 08:02 |
| === Jucato waits for thiago or pinotree to wake up to confirm and explain | ||
| Jucato | I just love timezones :) | 08:02 |
| n8k99_ | Jucato you should read "Eastern Standard Tribe" | 08:03 |
| === Jucato has 7 clocks in one panel... each set to a different timezone... | ||
| === n8k99_ has a second computer just to run xplanet | ||
| Jucato | xplanet? hm... | 08:04 |
| manchicken | Okay, I've got my ugly mug on my launchpad. | 08:04 |
| manchicken | w00t. | 08:04 |
| manchicken | The net is now less stable. | 08:04 |
| zakame | hopefully not the wrong side of the mug | 08:05 |
| Jucato | aaaaHh!! my eyes!!!! | 08:05 |
| Jucato | https://launchpad.net/~manchicken | 08:05 |
| Jucato | it burnsssss! | 08:05 |
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| manchicken | heh | 08:06 |
| n8k99_ | sdja'e dfgahsd | 08:07 |
| === n8k99_ is not a touch typer | ||
| Jucato | aaah! my eyes!! it burns again!!! | 08:07 |
| === Jucato looks at zakame's LP | ||
| n8k99_ | seems young Juan Carlos has neglected his page | 08:10 |
| Jucato | of course.. I'm not photogenic :P | 08:10 |
| Jucato | (although there are lots of pics on my site... :P ) | 08:10 |
| n8k99_ | oh like i am! | 08:10 |
| manchicken | Yeah. | 08:10 |
| manchicken | Come on man. | 08:10 |
| manchicken | I did it. | 08:11 |
| Jucato | hah I don't have a pic that's quite current :D | 08:11 |
| manchicken | Richard did it. | 08:11 |
| manchicken | That photo I put up is from a couple months ago. | 08:11 |
| manchicken | From when I met Richard Stallman. | 08:11 |
| Jucato | or I don't have a pic that's been cropped around the edges | 08:11 |
| Jucato | and was inspired by his beard? | 08:11 |
| n8k99_ | i shaved and got a haircut after my run in with RMS | 08:11 |
| manchicken | I cropped my own photo right here. | 08:12 |
| manchicken | GIMP skills. | 08:12 |
| Jucato | hm.. can you still change your pic once you've uploaed it? | 08:12 |
| zakame | yeah, I've changed several times | 08:12 |
| n8k99_ | better than skill of a gimp | 08:12 |
| manchicken | http://www.flickr.com/photos/diginux/294150147/in/set-72157594369802498/ | 08:13 |
| manchicken | w00t | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, I have 1.4.5 ready to upload but i'm waiting on 2 things, the ipod support needs libgpod 0.4.2 or greater and its uploaded but its in depwait for a python package to be manualy promoted to main. i poked about it and it should get done today, anyhow just FYI i have this done and ready | 08:13 |
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| Jucato | heh hi imbrandon | 08:13 |
| zakame | yo imbrandon | 08:13 |
| imbrandon | ello guys | 08:14 |
| Lure | imbrandon: great - we started to track flagship apps for inclusion here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps | 08:15 |
| imbrandon | Lure, rockin | 08:15 |
| imbrandon | kk | 08:15 |
| Lure | imbrandon: when is the release date for amarok? | 08:16 |
| imbrandon | tomarrow | 08:17 |
| zakame | brb... NM | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | i have it now , packagers get it early | 08:17 |
| imbrandon | but the "public" release is tomarrow | 08:17 |
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| Lure | imbrandon: ok, updated wiki | 08:20 |
| imbrandon | cool thanks Lure | 08:21 |
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| Jucato | manchicken: ha! n8k99_ left before he could see it :P | 08:34 |
| manchicken | What? | 08:34 |
| Jucato | hackygotchee | 08:34 |
| manchicken | Ah. | 08:35 |
| manchicken | It's almost time to backhand the kittens. | 08:35 |
| Jucato | see. no beard :) | 08:35 |
| manchicken | Nice. | 08:36 |
| manchicken | Hacka! | 08:36 |
| Jucato | hehe | 08:36 |
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| manchicken | Go for it. | 08:37 |
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| zakame | Jucato: needs more razor | 08:39 |
| Jucato | heh :) | 08:40 |
| manchicken | beard | 08:42 |
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| manchicken | Okay, I'm going to go to bed before I have to sacrifice something to elisp in order to get this freaking build to work. | 09:25 |
| manchicken | Nighty night. | 09:25 |
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| mhb | afternoon | 01:16 |
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| Jucato | hi :) | 01:16 |
| Hobbsee | hey mhb, Jucato | 01:17 |
| Jucato | hi Hobbsee! | 01:17 |
| === Jucato had trouble building edgy pbuilder... now rebuilding for the 4th time... | ||
| fdoving | hi all. | 01:18 |
| fdoving | what's needed for musicbrainz tagging to work with amarok? | 01:18 |
| fdoving | it tells me it doesn't support mp3 or something. | 01:18 |
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| _StefanS_ | hi Riddlos | 02:11 |
| _StefanS_ | Reeedelll | 02:11 |
| Jucato | O.o | 02:11 |
| Jucato | Riddel has become an operating system.. | 02:11 |
| _StefanS_ | ow | 02:11 |
| _StefanS_ | a robot maybe | 02:11 |
| _StefanS_ | he's been up all night probably | 02:11 |
| Hobbsee | no, he went to bed... | 02:11 |
| _StefanS_ | ow | 02:12 |
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| Jucato | Hobbsee: still up? :P | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: yeah. i went to work tonight | 02:22 |
| Jucato | aw.. ( | 02:23 |
| Jucato | :( | 02:23 |
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| Jucato | wb n8k99_ | 02:26 |
| n8k99_ | thanks | 02:27 |
| Jucato | n8k99_: you left just before I put up my hackygotchi :P | 02:27 |
| n8k99_ | sorry, it was sleeping tim here | 02:27 |
| n8k99_ | time | 02:27 |
| Jucato | heh it's ok. at least you didn't get to see it lol | 02:28 |
| Riddell | imbrandon: any plans to do edgy builds of amarok? | 02:28 |
| n8k99_ | yeah- i would have never got to sleep then! | 02:28 |
| Jucato | you would... but would be having nightmares :P | 02:28 |
| imbrandon | Riddell, i can, and had planned on it | 02:28 |
| imbrandon | as i will have to backport libgpod etc too | 02:29 |
| Riddell | groovy | 02:29 |
| Riddell | yes | 02:29 |
| abattoir | Riddell: hi, yes, i had mailed him... was he angry? :P | 02:29 |
| zakame | evening all | 02:29 |
| Jucato | evening zakame! | 02:29 |
| imbrandon | heya zakame | 02:29 |
| Jucato | finally edgy pbuilder finished :P | 02:29 |
| zakame | can someone check out my update on wlassistant on revu? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4252 | 02:30 |
| zakame | yo Jucato imbrandon | 02:30 |
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| n8k99_ | is there a list of the most recent changes? | 02:31 |
| n8k99_ | for kubuntu? | 02:32 |
| zakame | hmm is adept broken? Just tried updating teh pkglist with it it crashed :( | 02:32 |
| Jucato | thought that was fixed in herd 3 | 02:33 |
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| zakame | Jucato: specifically, it shows a dialog telling me there's a new version of kubuntu available, and asks me if I should upgrade... once I click `yes' it crashes | 02:33 |
| Riddell | abattoir: no, of course not :) | 02:34 |
| n8k99_ | it was doing that in herd 2 | 02:34 |
| Jucato | zakame: yep, that bug in herd 2 | 02:34 |
| praetor | zakame: someone must have changed something in the wizard code then | 02:35 |
| zakame | heh my version is 2.1.2ubuntu10, should update to ubuntu11 (via aptitude :/) | 02:35 |
| Riddell | zakame: that's unlikely to help | 02:35 |
| zakame | Riddell: yeah, probably not... I'll just keep in sync though for the moment | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | evening Riddell | 02:36 |
| zakame | other than that, kubuntu feisty is very very well integrated :) at least no serious dist-upgrade breakage | 02:37 |
| Jucato | btw, are we going to have a sort of upgrade testing in between RC and Final release? you know, get some people to test dist-upgrade (or the new shiny update manager c/o Riddell) before everyone does? | 02:38 |
| zakame | hmm according to sched upgrade testing should be just after the 8th | 02:39 |
| mhb | Jucato: yep, we are | 02:39 |
| abattoir | Jucato: that's generally part of the test procedure(there's a provision for it in the test matrix) | 02:39 |
| Jucato | !schedule | 02:39 |
| ubotu | Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases | 02:39 |
| Jucato | hm... | 02:39 |
| zakame | hm yakuake is `lost and found' in the menu | 02:40 |
| Jucato | ok... I think I'll be available for that | 02:40 |
| Jucato | why doesn't ubotu link anymore to the Schedule page? | 02:40 |
| abattoir | !feisty | 02:40 |
| ubotu | The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1 | 02:40 |
| Jucato | I know, but before it did link to it... iirc | 02:41 |
| n8k99_ | hmm... new packages | 02:42 |
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| Riddell | Jucato: dist upgrade testing to start next week I hope | 02:46 |
| zakame | ooh, next week! I was early then :P | 02:47 |
| Jucato | oooh ok | 02:48 |
| abattoir | Riddell: he hasn't replied back to me yet, what did he tell you? if i may ask? | 03:13 |
| Jucato | (no you may not ask...) | 03:14 |
| abattoir | :) | 03:18 |
| zakame | wow the shadow knows on hbo... | 03:19 |
| zakame | oh, ECHAN | 03:19 |
| Riddell | abattoir: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2007-02-01.html | 03:20 |
| Jucato | whoa... why is mine there... | 03:21 |
| Jucato | my name I mean... | 03:21 |
| Riddell | because our meeting of wednesday went over midnight | 03:22 |
| abattoir | Riddell: aah, ok, i mailed him after that, asking if changes could be made to dbfilter/debconf... i thought he might get cross since i was asking this late... | 03:24 |
| abattoir | but he himself has said " I won't get round to merging oem-config into ubiquity this time round and clone-and-hacking from u6y instead" , so no worries, i guess :) | 03:24 |
| abattoir | Riddell: i'll wait for his reply, thanks | 03:25 |
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| allee | zakame: wlassistant: you ignore the /etc/network/pre-up|pre-down dirs. Any special reason? | 03:41 |
| zakame | allee: actually I was thinking about that, I should put that in as well, but I'm also thinking about the environment vars that most of the scripts installed there use, like $IFACE | 03:42 |
| allee | zakame: they are used in if-up|down dirs here too | 03:45 |
| zakame | allee: I should give some more thought about that integration; should I remove that then, and just put in 0.5.6 with the previous ubuntu changes? | 03:45 |
| zakame | yeah | 03:46 |
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| allee | zakame: unfortunately yes. I've no idea how the run-partss scripts work when expected env vars asre missing. | 03:47 |
| toma | fwiw, the 6.06 live cd works for me *sigh* | 03:47 |
| allee | hi toma | 03:47 |
| toma | hi allee | 03:48 |
| zakame | allee: ok just give me a minute to roll back the patch and upload to revu again :) | 03:48 |
| allee | zakame: maybe a simpler approach would be to let wlassistant generate an interface file and call ifup -i /path-to-setup-file | 03:49 |
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| zakame | yeah I thought of that too, maybe putting that somewhere in /var/run or /var/cache? | 03:49 |
| zakame | that'll need to overhaul the WACommands code altogether | 03:50 |
| allee | zakame: no idea how intrusive such a change would be. AFAIK wpa_assistant uses a similar way with interface files, check which dir is used there | 03:51 |
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| zakame | ok, I'll check later :) | 03:52 |
| allee | zakame: fwiw, maybe working if run-parts for knetworkmanager (does it really not exists?) would be more pressing? | 03:53 |
| allee | zakame: or do you need/depend on static IF seetup for wlan? | 03:53 |
| zakame | allee: it appears to be working... I saw a run-parts script for networkmanager a while ago, maybe knetworkmanager just rides on top of that, but I'm not sure | 03:53 |
| zakame | I'll investigate as much as I can to it as well | 03:54 |
| zakame | brb | 03:57 |
| praetor | zakame: i merged riddel's adept branch and tested it, works fine for me | 04:16 |
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| praetor | compiled with a custom metafile to test the new version stuff, and it doesnt crash | 04:16 |
| zakame | praetor: rocking! | 04:17 |
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| bddebian | Heya | 04:17 |
| === zakame hugs bddebian | ||
| Jucato | hi bddebian | 04:18 |
| bddebian | Heya Jucato and zakame (again) :_) | 04:18 |
| Jucato | lol | 04:18 |
| mhb | Riddell: are the adept l10n fixes I submitted present in current Feisty adept? | 04:18 |
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| mhb | doesn't look like it | 04:21 |
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| XVampireX | Heya :) | 04:32 |
| XVampireX | Does anyone know about kopete 0.12.4? Any new features other than that patch for making it pretty? | 04:33 |
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| Jucato | #kopete ? | 04:33 |
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| gnomefreak | patches make things pretty? i thought those were skins | 04:52 |
| Jucato | skins = patches that makes things pretty :D | 04:53 |
| gnomefreak | :) | 04:53 |
| Jucato | or rather "skins patch = makes things pretty" | 04:53 |
| === gnomefreak gonna be happy if this finishes witout errors :) | ||
| gnomefreak | bbs when this is done building | 04:55 |
| zakame | always keep a buildlog, no matter what :) | 04:57 |
| Jucato | I just read that as "builddog" | 04:58 |
| zakame | lol | 04:58 |
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| zakame | bddebian: yo re-added dh_iconcache in yakuake? | 05:12 |
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| mhb | seele: ping | 05:45 |
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| toma | beryl is fun | 05:59 |
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| seele | mhb: pong | 06:06 |
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| manchicken | wordpress is like so much heroin that I just can't stop injecting into my web site... | 08:00 |
| manchicken | (bad analogy) | 08:00 |
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| jjesse | gotta love blizzards :) :) | 09:35 |
| jjesse | nixternal: are you snowbound in chicago? | 09:36 |
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| manchicken | It's not snowing now. | 10:22 |
| manchicken | Windy and considerably cold though (in Chicago) | 10:22 |
| Tm_T | manchicken: Define cold. | 10:24 |
| manchicken | -13*F | 10:24 |
| Tm_T | Hmm, what's that in celsius? | 10:25 |
| nixternal | -25 | 10:27 |
| Tm_T | Hmm, that's nice. :) | 10:27 |
| nixternal | it is a tad bit cold here today | 10:27 |
| Tm_T | http://www.fmi.fi/weather/local.html?kunta=Joensuu | 10:28 |
| Tm_T | Warm days been here. | 10:28 |
| nixternal | jjesse lives right up the street from my old home town, so I know the snow they are getting, we are on the phone with my aunt who lives about 45 minutes south of him | 10:28 |
| manchicken | Nice. | 10:29 |
| Tm_T | I'm still waiting -35'C days to come. | 10:29 |
| nixternal | not me | 10:29 |
| Tm_T | Really makes you feel confortable in home. ;) | 10:29 |
| Tm_T | m | 10:30 |
| manchicken | You Europeans and your celsius. It's just unamerican. | 10:33 |
| manchicken | ;) | 10:33 |
| claydoh | heck warm spell here, I had to remove my outer jacket running the snowblower | 10:37 |
| claydoh | 25F/-4C | 10:38 |
| manchicken | heh | 10:38 |
| mhb | manchicken: it's time for you to forget measuring sizes in "club"s and value in "golden nugget"s :o) | 10:38 |
| claydoh | it was -9F/-23C earlier this week | 10:38 |
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| manchicken | I'd prefer "beer bottles" | 10:39 |
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| _StefanS_ | hi there | 11:55 |
| manchicken | Hello all you happy people. | 11:59 |
| mhb | hi _StefanS_ | 12:01 |
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