elcuconice, works perfectly (stollen code from plastik? who cares)12:16
elcucowhich windeco will be used in the future by kubuntu?12:16
_StefanS_ekuco: grab 1.0 from kde-look.org12:18
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mhbelcuco: polyester will be (most likely) used for Feisty, KDE4 default style for feisty+112:21
Riddellmanchicken: current adept doesn't show the arrow next to the items in the list view, is that likely to be your patch's doing?12:23
elcucook, found a deb, looks nice with all the animations on, kinda heavy, but ok12:23
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manchickenRiddell: Seeing as how everything I do is perfect, I doubt it ;)12:30
manchickenRiddell: Most likely.  I was noticing that too, but I was ignoring it..  probably not a good idea.12:31
Riddellmanchicken: what's the branch to get your current supported indicator patch?  support-indicator-tooltip?12:32
manchickenIf bzr worked with committing merges, trunk would have had it.12:35
Riddellwhat's in trunk?12:35
manchickenI was hoping to have that be the latest branch that all could hit regardless of what the latest feature I'd done was.12:35
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RiddellI'm still not sure what the best way to handle this is, it should be one archive per patch but I don't know where to branch the archive and how to get the diff12:36
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Riddellmanchicken: it's just the lister.cpp and lister.h files I need?12:37
manchickenand the indicator png12:38
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manchickenAre you gonna fix it?12:47
manchickenI can totally fix it if you put a bug on for me.12:47
manchickenIf I don't have any boogs I won't have anything to do after feature freeze ;)12:48
Riddellfix the arrow thing?12:50
Riddelljust now I'm trying to get it to compile :)12:50
_StefanS_about adept_updater .. that wizard thing never worked for me - how was it intended to work ?12:51
Riddelldownload packages, install them12:51
_StefanS_my adept_updater just quits if I clicked on Next12:51
_StefanS_It was kinda odd12:51
manchickenOkay, gotta run.  I'll be back on in about 3-5 hours.  If you have any ideas, please let me know (manchicken@kubuntu.org).  I really like ideas, but I really gotta run.12:51
Riddell_StefanS_: it's broken in feisty12:52
_StefanS_okay :)12:52
_StefanS_the fade thing works now with settings in ksmserverrc12:52
Riddellgot a .deb and a debdiff?12:53
Riddell(or just the patch)12:53
_StefanS_I was thinking about putting the other settings in there as well. Would make it easier to adapt12:53
_StefanS_I was just thinking about how you represent floats in konfig's12:54
_StefanS_KConfig even12:54
Riddelldunno, look at the API docs12:54
_StefanS_yep I'll look it up12:55
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_StefanS_Riddell: its compiling kdebase again now, I will test it in a few moments.01:17
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XVampireXThere's something that's a bit disappointing in Kubuntu... Adept doesn't seem to be liking  new users (I.E: No ubuntu specific patches to it), or maybe I don't know how to use it (And I'm not a new user, just wanted to say how cool ubuntu specific patches for synaptic are)01:44
XVampireXThings like enabling universe and multiverse with a click...01:44
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mhbXVampireX: will be ready for Feisty, I hope01:50
=== XVampireX is using feisty :D
=== mhb too
mhbXVampireX: those features are in development01:53
XVampireXOh, alright :D01:53
XVampireXBut feature freeze soon, no?01:53
mhbXVampireX: true01:53
Riddellthat's why I'm writing it now01:53
XVampireXOh, alright01:53
mhbXVampireX: and that's why it is 02:00 here and I'm still awake :o)01:54
praetorRiddell: I just wrote in mail exporting support for kmail, do you want the patch for feisty?01:55
Riddellpraetor: what does it do?01:55
UbugtuKDE bug 77744 in general "JJ: add tool to archive all mail" [Wishlist,New] 01:55
Hobbseehey mhb!01:55
mhbXVampireX: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse01:56
Hobbseehey Riddell!01:56
praetorcalls ark to compress the users mail folder, creates a new folder on the users desktop kmail_exported_mail, places the archive there and then opens a konqueror in file management mode which displays the mail archive01:56
praetorive tested it with kmail's mail import tool and it seems to work01:56
Riddellpraetor: sure sounds good01:57
Riddellpraetor: is the patch in upstream?01:57
praetori just submitted it now so not yet01:57
XVampireXmhb: That sounds really good...01:57
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Riddellpraetor: able to send a debdiff to kubuntu-devel?01:58
XVampireXA little general ubuntu question: Are madwifi drivers already installed by default in edgy?01:58
praetori can send you a diff against kmail svn ;)01:58
Riddellpraetor: hmm, it really needs to be against 3.5.601:58
praetorok let me grab the sources for that then01:58
HobbseeXVampireX: iirc, yes01:59
HobbseeXVampireX: my old wifi card worked by default in edgy, so yeah.  not sure about on the live cd though?01:59
Hobbseei think it did there too01:59
XVampireXAnd can you people apply a little kde patch? The most notable for me is move to: in right click on file and try to move a file, konqueror crashes, I submitted a bug report for KDE.01:59
HobbseeXVampireX: what patch was it?02:00
XVampireXI don't know, well, I mean, fix it :P02:00
XVampireXI can give you the bug report02:00
mhbXVampireX: can you describe the problem in detail?02:00
HobbseeXVampireX: probably not.02:00
HobbseeXVampireX: if there's a patch, we can apply it, but it probably works better for the kde devels to actually fix the bugs.02:01
=== Hobbsee doesnt know hte konqi codebase at all
RiddellMove To: works fine for me02:01
UbugtuKDE bug 140867 in general "Konqueror crashes when I move something into a different directory" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] 02:01
Riddellalthough that UI is horrible02:01
XVampireXHmm, maybe I should update now, then02:02
=== Hobbsee notes we must be getting close to feature freeze or something, if Riddell is still up :)
=== Hobbsee attacks her uni with her Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hobbseedont cancel the classes that i need to do for my degree!  gah!02:04
XVampireXhow do I ask for a newer version of an application in the repositories (mplayer)02:05
Hobbseehooray, spammers02:06
Hobbseein #ubuntu and #kubuntu02:06
HobbseeXVampireX: upgrade it yourself, or find one of the media team and ask for it.02:06
HobbseeXVampireX: probably the latteer02:06
XVampireXHmm... Who might that be?02:07
Hobbseedont remember offhand02:07
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XVampireXI don't mind compiling a package for everyone to use (I really want to contribute much to ubuntu and linux in general)02:08
XVampireXBut no idea how to make a general package and then submit it02:08
HobbseeXVampireX: https://launchpad.net/~debian-multimedia maybe02:08
Hobbseeask crimsun when he comes back02:08
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XVampireXAh, crimsun talked to me about it, but it was too complicated, s/he gave me some links to the wiki on how to submit a request for package upgrade....02:10
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Hobbseehrm.  apparently i've contributed to Fooix the Wonder-Toaster02:12
Hobbseebddebian: the beta of launchpad02:13
bddebianAh :-)02:13
RiddellHobbsee: yes, I was wondering what that was too02:14
HobbseeRiddell: i suspect they're just putting extra stuff in, just to test it out02:14
Hobbseehey cool, apparently i'm involved in a couple of specs!~02:14
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Hobbseei dont think emails to *@localhost will workk02:18
HobbseeRiddell: what's this "feedback request" thing on specs?02:19
Riddellit means you want people to comment on the spec02:20
Hobbseeie, so i'm supposed to comment on the spec?02:20
Hobbseehrm, okay02:20
XVampireXHobbsee: Maybe you could implement something in launchpad that would mark a package out of date?02:21
XVampireXBecause for example there's a stable mplayer release for a while now02:22
Jucatohm.. in Launchpad, if I set my preferred e-mail address from my @gmail.com to @kubuntu.org (yay!), will it sort of "break" the connection?02:22
HobbseeXVampireX: or not, i'm a launchpad dev.02:23
HobbseeJucato: yes.  dont do it02:23
JucatoHobbsee: ooh ok.. thanks for telling me :)02:23
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RiddellXVampireX: report a wishlist bug02:24
HobbseeJucato: it's a bug in LP.  it breaks if you ever try to change where @kubuntu.org points to - same as the @ubuntu ones02:24
Hobbseeer, might be a bug in the emails02:24
XVampireXAnd speaking of adept usability, is there an update manager for it? I don't seem to see one.. I remember there was one before...02:24
HobbseeXVampireX: there hasnt been.  there is now, though02:24
XVampireXRiddell: for updating mplayer or for launchpad?02:24
JucatoXVampireX: in feisty or in edgy?02:24
HobbseeXVampireX: for launchpad02:24
XVampireXRight now I'm in feisty02:24
=== Hobbsee keeps getting adept crashing though
Jucatothere is an adept_updater.. but I don't know if it could be considered an update manager...02:25
Jucatothere is/was02:25
Hobbseeubuntu's update manager got ported over though02:25
=== _StefanS_ is getting rather tired of recompiling kdebase...
XVampireXOh, so it should be even better :)02:25
Hobbsee_StefanS_: why are you doing it?02:26
Jucatoyes. all thanks to Riddell!! yay!02:26
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JucatoHobbsee: because it's fun! :)02:26
HobbseeJucato: indeed!  i'm just surprised there are so many :)02:26
JucatoI hope I didn't start a trend :P02:26
_StefanS_Hobbsee: err, because I like seeing shitloads of text passing by all night... :)02:26
=== Jucato loves compiling from SVN though
RiddellXVampireX: for updating mplayer02:26
Jucato_StefanS_: then you'll love cmake... colorful shitloads of text :)02:27
Hobbseeisnt that a #ubuntu-motu sort of question, as it's in multiverse?02:27
XVampireXRiddell: Ah, ok :)02:27
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~$ show mplayer | grep Maintainer02:27
HobbseeMaintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>02:27
HobbseeOriginal-Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Media Team <motumedia@tauware.de>02:27
_StefanS_I managed to keep my cpu temp to 80 degrees celsius for the past 2 hours.. maybe I should turn off the heat in the house.02:28
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Hobbsee_StefanS_: 80 degrees what?02:28
_StefanS_Hobbsee: not fahrenheit. The other one you know.02:29
_StefanS_Hobbsee: look it up :)02:29
=== Hobbsee deals in celcius
=== Hobbsee is australian
n8k99_in australian?02:30
_StefanS_its a laptop, the safe temp is 100 degrees.. I'm aiming to get to 90 within an hour :)02:30
=== Hobbsee got her laptop about that high...
=== Hobbsee smelled components burning at that temp, though...
Hobbseenot this one, though02:30
mhbI always told Lure people complain about the heat and battery power :o)02:30
Riddell_StefanS_: you are doing debuild -nc?02:30
_StefanS_Riddell: yea02:31
HobbseeXVampireX: fujitsu may do it02:31
XVampireXHobbsee: Should I email the original maintainer?02:31
_StefanS_Riddell: I might be all wrong02:31
Hobbseeit's a list, you'll get moderated02:31
_StefanS_Riddell: it cleans every time02:31
Riddellmm, -nc should stop that02:31
zakamemorning all! :D02:31
Hobbseehey zakame!02:32
Jucatomorning zakame!02:32
zakamehi Hobbsee Jucato!02:32
zakamealmost done now with the feisty upgrade02:32
Jucatofinished building the feisty pbuilder...02:32
_StefanS_Riddell: I think its all the stuff stuffed around the make process that takes the extra time02:33
_StefanS_stuff stuffed.. i must be very tired02:33
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HobbseeXVampireX: how long till rc2?02:34
XVampireXNo idea02:34
JucatoRiddell: excuse me, just wondering... will the terminal emulator-thing for Adept be fixed in Feisty? the one that gives problems when approving licenses like Java's?02:36
HobbseeJucato: ask manchicken that when he comes bakc ;P02:37
JucatoI think he said Riddell was the one fixing it...02:37
Jucatobah nvm.. it's not like I can fix it :P02:37
mhbJucato: it's not that you can't :o)02:37
Jucatowell technically, I can't yet :P02:37
RiddellJucato: yes, it's a priority02:37
mhbsome fixes are really trivial, although it may not be this one02:38
HobbseeXVampireX: i'll look into it02:38
XVampireXHobbsee: Thank you :)02:39
zakamewhere can I help out to fix bugs in? :)02:39
Hobbseezakame: kdebase, maybe?02:39
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mhbgoodnight folks02:44
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zakamehmm bug #61946, who's working on that?02:53
UbugtuMalone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/6194602:53
Riddellzakame: nobody, it's an upstream issue and apparantly not an easy one to fix02:54
zakamei see... so it's on the kde bugtracker I gather, should we note that on the bug if so?02:56
_StefanS_Riddell: I'm off, gave up on the extra settings. And now I reverted, I still get that error from the patches.03:03
Riddell_StefanS_: foo03:03
_StefanS_I wasted 2 hours and now still don't work03:03
_StefanS_good nite03:04
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_StefanS_I'm off03:04
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ScottKHeya Hobbsee, still wading through trying to get Kmail to do S/MIME.  I know that gpgsm sees the keys OK, so that's not it.  I'll let you know when I figure it out or give up.03:19
HobbseeScottK: cool :)03:19
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XVampireXAre there any plans to work on even more wireless support?03:36
XVampireXAnd thinking less about "freedom" ?03:36
HobbseeXVampireX: explain?03:37
HobbseeXVampireX: as in, more wireless support, where the wireless drivers are closed source?03:37
Hobbseethe ones that we're allowed to include, we do, iirc03:38
Hobbseestuff that we cant distribute legally, no03:39
XVampireXShame :-/03:39
zakamejust making sure... is wlassistant shipped in kubuntu cds right?03:39
Riddellin edgy yes03:39
Riddellnot in feisty03:40
zakamewhat's in feisty?03:40
XVampireXHow would one configure a wireless card/router/etc... if they don't have an internet connection?03:40
XVampireXknetworkmanager is really nice :)03:40
zakameoh... does it do run-parts on the /etc/network/if-{,pre-}{up,down}.d/ scripts?03:41
XVampireXrun parts?03:41
=== Riddell beds
Hobbseenight Riddell!03:42
zakameawww, I wish it had that ;)03:42
zakamegn8 Riddell03:42
zakameand thanks03:42
Jucatonight Riddell03:43
XVampireXAre there any new optimizations in feisty? It seems ALOT faster03:43
XVampireXAnd that's not just me, so it's definitely not a feeling03:43
=== zakame looks forward to those optimizations
=== Jucato looks forward to... um.. dunno lol
XVampireX(03:58:02)  Andy:  Fantastic feisty. Have you noticed the performance improvement? Damn.03:44
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XVampireXGood night Riddel, yeah :D03:45
stdinedgy actually seems slow in comparison and I remember thinking "Wow, this is much faster then dapper"03:45
XVampireXI wonder what causes that, newer kernel?03:46
stdinmost likely03:46
stdinthat and cleaner code would be my guess03:46
XVampireXLinux is really heading to the right place. More so ubuntu derivatives :)03:55
XVampireXI really like how you also integrate winecfg in KDE/Qt interface in System Settings :)04:13
mstemleWhy on earth would we put winecfg into kde-systemsettings?04:14
Jucatoit's actually already in KControl04:15
Jucatoin Edgy it wasn't put into System Settings, even if Wine was installed04:15
manchickenSilly konversation.04:15
manchickenI think it kinda silly to put it into system settings.04:16
Jucatowinecfg itself isn't. it's a KDE frontend to winecfg04:16
XVampireXmanchicken: I mean what Jucato said04:16
manchickenI don't understand why we'd do that. I wasn't aware we encouraged the use of wine.04:17
XVampireXJucato: That's what I said, KDE/Qt interface :)04:17
Jucatostrangely enough, on this new edgy install.. it isn't there anymore.. must be something I installed earlier04:17
=== Jucato senses a FSF sermon coming up...
XVampireXYeah, I totally agree... we should concentrate on usability instead of just plain making people think they are free04:18
manchickenNot FSF sermon. Support limitations.04:18
Jucatoanyway, like I said, it's not there by default04:18
Jucatoit just exists. but it's not Kubuntu's doing, afaik04:18
XVampireXI didn't come over to Linux to see that I don't have the options to use Windows software04:18
manchickenXVampireX: I would disagree with you there.04:18
manchickenXVampireX: But it's not our job to support non-free software.04:19
XVampireXWine is free04:19
manchickenBut it's not used for those purposes most of the time.04:19
Jucato(ubuntu supports nvidia-glx...)04:19
XVampireXWindows software may or may not be free04:19
manchickenWine is also quite flakey still.04:19
XVampireXwine works great for me04:19
manchickenXVampireX: More often then not it isn't free.04:19
=== Jucato wonders which part of "not from Kubuntu anyway" didn't get noticed...
XVampireXWell yeah, figure why people want to use photoshop first04:20
XVampireXOh, one more thing04:20
XVampireXWhat is being done for read/write of NTFS?04:20
XVampireXNot installed by default?04:20
stdinbecause it's beta04:20
zakameyes, very beta04:20
HobbseeXVampireX: what the forums tell you != what's actually happening.04:20
=== manchicken thought there were patent reasons for that as well.
zakamebrb, cooking04:21
XVampireXMaybe for friendliness, you could supply the most needed software as a package on the CD... so people without internet connection could easily install it?04:21
Jucatobrb sleeping04:21
HobbseeXVampireX: ndiswrapper is there already04:21
manchickenXVampireX: CDs only have so much room.04:21
XVampireXndiswrapper is on CD? Oh, neat!04:21
HobbseeXVampireX: and when you find a cd that has unlimited space....do let me kow04:21
HobbseeXVampireX: yes, has been for ages.04:21
XVampireXHeh :)04:21
Jucatoyes, Ubuntu will be at the forefront of unlimited CD space Live CD's04:22
XVampireXI thought we had to download it from apt online repositories :(04:22
HobbseeXVampireX: i mean, we could include all of main on the cd, if it werent for space04:22
praetorNowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine."04:22
praetortoo rich04:22
HobbseeXVampireX: no, that would just be stupid.  even !ndiswrapper tells you that04:22
XVampireXHobbsee: DVD version?04:22
XVampireXyou could raise some money with the DVD version you sell in amazon04:22
HobbseeXVampireX: most people dont have a dvd burner, nor the bandwidth04:22
XVampireXWell you sell CDs in amazon, yeah?04:23
Hobbseebesides, that's been discussed on hte ubuntu-devel mailing list.  go read it :)04:23
Hobbseesomeone does, yeah. not me personally04:23
manchickenWhy does the install media have to be beefy?04:23
XVampireXI'm not a mailing list guy :(04:23
manchickenWhy not just install minimally and then apt-get the rest?04:23
manchickenThat's what adept is for.04:23
XVampireXbecause maybe people don't have the internet connections?04:23
XVampireXfast or not at all04:24
HobbseeXVampireX: yes, but we're not suse/mandrake/{insert other distros with 5 cds}04:24
manchickenXVampireX: Then how would having it on the DVD, or having it on amazon help them?04:24
XVampireXThey would buy it04:24
XVampireXYou would raise some money04:24
manchickenHow would they buy anything online without internet access?04:24
XVampireXand could use it for development04:24
XVampireXhow would you know about ubuntu without internet access? :D04:25
manchickenDevelopment isn't that expensive.04:25
Hobbseeif you want absolutely everything on cd, then you really need to go for another distro.  or the dvd version.  ubuntu isnt everything to everyone04:25
XVampireXI don't want everything on the CD04:25
XVampireXI want the neccessary things04:25
manchickenAnd we do our best to provide what is necessary.04:25
Hobbseemost, if not all, are on there :)04:25
XVampireXThank you :)04:25
manchickenntfs beta stuff isn't necessary.04:26
manchickenMatter of fact, it could really damage file systems.04:26
XVampireXI heard that04:26
manchickenAnd that really isn't necessary.04:26
XVampireXwhat about FUSE?04:26
Jucatothe Desktop CD's are not meant for intensive recovery anyway (like KNOPPIX)04:26
Hobbseeit's just what you define as "necessary" isnt what i define as "necessary" nor anyone else's "necessary"04:26
manchickenSlow, unnecessary, not always the most stable.04:26
HobbseeJucato: mind you, they're getting better.  i think it was time for writing ubiquity that means it's not that full featured yet.04:27
XVampireXOh, another thing, what about setting up an internet connection?04:27
manchickenJucato: FSF membership card is excellent for recovery ^_^04:27
manchickenXVampireX: What about it?04:27
XVampireXFor example, I have a speedtouch modem, and I connect via PPTP, how would I set it up?04:27
JucatoHobbsee: for installing and running a Live CD, yes it's getting better. but for backupa and recovery like what KNOPPIX offers? maybe not04:27
Jucatomanchicken: bah04:27
XVampireXRight now I'm using a router and I would like a direct connection as I have no idea how to connect directly04:28
HobbseeJucato: true that.04:28
HobbseeXVampireX: kppp?  it doesnt work out of the box though.04:28
Hobbseethere's a README that documents why04:28
manchickenJucato: I learned that the easy way.  Plopped in my membership card when I was having trouble.04:28
XVampireXThat's the pain...04:28
XVampireXHope it gets resolved in the future04:29
Jucatomanchicken: I have no plans of applying for membership just for a recovery card :P04:29
manchickenXVampireX: Most of these weird services don't give their customers enough information to directly connect.04:29
HobbseeXVampireX: what's the plan?04:29
manchickenJucato: The membership card is merely a fringe benefit.  Supporting GNU is the real benefit ^_^04:29
XVampireXHobbsee: Hmm?04:29
Hobbseeoh.  pain04:29
XVampireXWell, my plan is to get up and running with python04:30
=== Hobbsee cant read
manchickenJucato: They've been donating oodles of money to make free MMORPGs ^_^04:30
=== Jucato whistles innocently... "if you say so..."
XVampireXSo I can help with building interfaces for people who need usability04:30
Jucatomanchicken: hm... I presume you've read what happened to that campaign...04:30
manchickenJucato: Doesn't mean they aren't looking for other projects to support.04:30
manchickenJucato: gcc and emacs are still worth supporting.04:31
XVampireXAny idea if Linux Kernel will support force feedback on gamepads?04:31
Jucatoah of course.. gcc... where would we be without that04:31
manchickenJucato: A bunch of source code.04:31
manchickenJucato: Not much to do with it.04:31
Jucatoor used another compiler... :D04:31
=== Jucato is really groggy.... wonders why
manchickenJucato: Why use anything else when you've already got the best one?04:32
Jucatoit's the only one I know anyway... I mean on Linux.04:32
manchickenYou mean on GNU? ;)04:33
manchickenThey have one for every OS out there.04:33
manchickenSolaris, OSX, BSD, Win, Haiku, OS/204:34
manchickenHPUX, etc.04:34
JucatoI mean Linux04:34
JucatoI haven't tried any of those04:34
Jucatoother ones04:34
manchickenKernels don't use compilers silly ;)04:34
manchickenOperating systems use compilers.04:34
=== Jucato sighs... GNU/Linux if you must insist
manchickenGNU is all I insist on.  GNU with a Darwin kernel feels exactly the same.04:35
manchickenI tried Debian's GNU/Darwin the other day.04:35
manchickenI didn't know it until I uname -a'ed it.04:35
=== Jucato leaves manchicken with his gnu...
manchickenWas running KDE and everything.04:36
=== Jucato tries to sleep...
manchickenJucato: Yeah, good luck with that ^_^04:36
Jucatoalmost noon... and I can't sleep until the garbage truck passes by...04:36
manchickenI know that feeling.04:37
manchickenIt's 21:45 CST04:37
zakameJucato: have you slept?04:37
Jucatozakame: yeah.. dunno why I always feel sleepy the past days04:37
zakamehopefully not tse-tse :(04:38
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XVampireXLast thing04:46
XVampireXIs there going to be a dialog for kubuntu like gdebi for installing debs?04:46
XVampireXor are you staying with right click?04:46
zakameoh shi-, I got hit by a dist-upgrade bug on adept-common and adept-notifier04:46
zakamebug #8265104:46
UbugtuMalone bug 82651 in adept "File overwrite problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8265104:46
Jucatoiirc that was a plan. not sure if porting will push through...04:47
XVampireXYou're trying to port it to Qt?04:47
=== Jucato shrugs...
zakameany workarounds on this?04:48
XVampireXin dpkg04:49
stdinif in doubt, use the force04:49
zakamewell, aside from that04:50
zakameconfirming the above-mentioned bug...04:50
XVampireXIt should definitely be confirmed04:51
XVampireXlooks like someone did it just now04:52
zakamethat would be me :P04:52
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zakamewb manchicken04:52
manchickenJust switching lappies.04:53
XVampireXOh, and for feisty you can add basKet instead of knotes04:53
=== Jucato wonders if he should wb manchicken too...
manchickenJucato: Why wouldn't you? ;)04:58
Jucatobecause I should be sleeping lol04:58
=== Jucato trying to fight it... with food
Jucatobrb lunch04:58
manchickenThen get to it.04:58
Jucatokain na tayo zakame :D04:58
=== manchicken is not Philipino :P
zakamestill cooking lunch04:59
JucatoFilipino :P04:59
Jucatomanchicken:  that meant "let's eat, zakame"04:59
Jucatonotice where the comma is, btw04:59
Jucatobecause "let's eat zakame" would be totally weird...05:00
Jucatonot to mention it would probably taste bad :P05:00
manchickenIt's good that you wouldn't want to join others in consuming your buddy zakame ;)05:00
Jucatohah there are so few Filipino ubuntu members, I'd rather turn us into an endangered specie05:01
=== Jucato eats
manchickenanybody know if the adept indicator tooltip patch has been committed yet?05:06
=== XVampireX sighs in relief of a fixed bug, now I know that feisty is even more stable than I thought :D
manchickenXVampireX: You fixed a bug?05:11
XVampireXWell I reported it, and it seems like it's somehow either fixed itself or something fixed it :)05:11
XVampireXthe move to: bug I was talking about before, that crashed konqi05:12
HobbseeXVampireX: i'm not in favour of that (basket over knotes)05:14
Hobbseebecause then i cant upload it :P05:15
XVampireXOh, well, it has some openusability projects now, so I'm quite sure it'll get even better05:15
HobbseeXVampireX: indeed.05:15
XVampireXbut I think the application would be pretty useful05:15
=== Hobbsee should go for main, maybe, at some point
Hobbseeyes, it is :)05:15
XVampireXWhy I suggested it was because of Tomboy in Gnome05:17
XVampireXThis is something I like about Linux though, you're a part of community which helps each other. In Windows I felt like I was on my own. And with no choice of learning the operating system I use without resorting to administrator courses05:19
XVampireXI would like to participate in the ubuntu marketing team though, and then gradually get into development as I learn Python (That's something I just gotta do, but I'm lazy, it seems :P)05:21
manchickenHobbsee: You know if Riddell was planning on fixing that missing arrow bug in adept that the support indicator icon patch introduced/05:23
Hobbseetry #ubuntu-marketing05:23
Hobbseemanchicken: no idea, havent read the logs of here.05:23
manchickenHobbsee: I'm hoping he doesn't fix all my bugs.  If I have zarro boogs I'll have nothing to do in 2 weeks.05:24
Hobbseewe can find you something, dont worry :)05:24
zakamewould you fix bug #82651 quick quick? :P05:24
UbugtuMalone bug 82651 in adept "File overwrite problem" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8265105:24
manchickenzakame: Until feature freeze I'm cramming on features.05:25
manchickenHobbsee: I used synaptic for the first time today.  Very neat.05:25
manchickenMany ideas to be taken from there.05:25
Hobbseemanchicken: indeed :)05:25
Hobbseezakame: finding a main sponsor will be very hard today05:26
manchickenzakame: I'm not sure which bugs I'll get to.05:27
manchickenThough I think a beer would do well to accelerate my progress....05:27
zakameHobbsee: until then, any workaround on it?05:28
manchickenHacker... what an appropriately named beer.05:29
Hobbseezakame: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/deb/adept-common.....deb05:29
Hobbseewith imbrandon not here most of the time due to work, finding a main sponsor on a weekend is a waste of time, normally05:29
XVampireXI have a huge problem now05:30
praetorKonqueror crash-happy for anyone?05:30
praetorwhenever I close it, it seems to crash05:30
XVampireXI just burned a CD, when I go to media:/ in konqueror, I see a Blank CD-R icon05:30
manchickenXVampireX: You might have more luck in #kubuntu with that.05:31
zakameHobbsee: thanks05:31
XVampireXWhen I try to double click it, a Question dialog appears05:31
HobbseeXVampireX: use /media/05:31
XVampireXthe one in /media/ shows a cdrom0 with an icon as if it has something, but when I double click it, nothing is inside it, also the same with the icon on the desktop (Which is a link to the cdrom0 it seems)05:32
XVampireXwhen I go in console to /media/cdrom0 however....05:32
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XVampireXrefresh did the trick... but that was weird05:33
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XVampireXis that a ban on me? :P05:34
=== XVampireX reports a bug
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Hobbseewhich bug?05:35
XVampireXthe one I just described05:36
XVampireXicon in media:/ won't open correctly at all, and /media/cdrom0 doesn't mount correctly (needs to refresh for it to detect the CD inside, it seems)05:36
Hobbseeyou dont need to05:36
Hobbseeit's known.  it'll just be marked as a dupe05:36
Hobbsee(it's due to sime's patches, which i cant remember if we're removing or not)05:37
XVampireXThis is even weirder05:37
=== Hobbsee pokes those who were at the meeting
XVampireX"The device was successfully unmounted, but the tray could not be opened"05:37
praetoreject /dev/device05:37
XVampireXis that also a part of the bug?05:38
XVampireXoh, ok, that was my fault05:39
manchickenHobbsee: I think that decision was tabled.05:39
Hobbseewho's writing the minutes ofr the meeting?05:39
manchickenHeh, not me.05:39
manchickenI'm terrible at taking notes.05:42
=== Hobbsee will find someone to poke
manchickenIn highschool I took a college prep class.  We had a lesson once where we were to take notes on a lecture, and then our notes were graded.05:43
manchickenI got a 23%.05:43
manchickenYeah.  I don't take notes.05:44
manchickenI got a 98% on the final though.05:44
Hobbseenice :)05:44
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manchickenThat was about 8 years ago.05:45
=== manchicken cheers.
=== manchicken behaves...
manchickenSWEET!  I got my branch merge committed to my trunk branch.05:50
manchickenNow to fire off a trunk build to verify the merge.05:52
manchickenThese UI files are weird.05:55
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makuseruwill KDE4 be in Kubuntu Fiesty Fawn?06:29
makuseruwhen will it be out?06:29
Jucatomakuseru: there's no target date06:30
Jucatofor KDE 406:30
poningrumakuseru: thats not due till like winter06:30
makuseruanother year?06:30
Jucatomost probably (just probably) 2nd half of this year06:31
makuseruoh ok06:31
makuseruwhy so long06:31
Hobbseebecause it's got major changes in it06:31
Jucatobecause it is long... it's not like another release06:31
Jucatothere are big changes in the source code06:31
poningrumakuseru: keep in mind kde is like a complete rewrite06:32
Jucatobut not from scratch06:32
poningruthey threw away bunch of code06:32
makuserui didnt know there were going to be major changes06:32
poningrulike crazy changes06:33
Jucatomakuseru: KDE 3.x uses Qt 3.x. KDE 4 will be using the new Qt 4.x, so they have to "port" (transfer, change) a lot of code over06:33
makuseruoh ok06:33
poningruqt 4 is like crazy06:33
poningrulike all the games is like crazy awesome06:33
Jucatomakuseru: and more than just porting code, they also have to implement new stuff06:33
poningrukeep in mind all this stuff will have to run on osx, win and linux06:34
poningruyeah dude06:34
makuseruKDE on OSX and Win?06:34
poningrukde4 will run everything on windows osx and linux06:34
poningruyeah dude06:34
JucatoKDE *apps* will be able to  (can) run on OS X and Win06:35
Jucatobut KDE itself as a whole? most probably not06:35
makuseru*goes with Jucato on that one*06:35
Jucatoalso, a large part of it will depend on whether there will be people who will actually port the KDE apps out of *nix06:35
Jucatosome apps already are06:35
makuseruim looking foreward to Ubunut Studio06:36
manchickenAs am I.06:36
makuserueven if its Gnome and not KDE06:37
Jucatomakuseru: I suggest keeping a watch on http://dot.kde.org which currently has articles on "sneak" previews on what is on KDE 4 already, or what we can expect06:37
poningrukeep in mind I am kinda drunk here06:37
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Jucatonah! IRCing is fun under the influence :P06:37
manchickenJucato: Where's your offtopic hammer tonight? ;)(06:38
Jucatomanchicken: I have no power here, Gandalf the Grey06:38
makuseruJucatos reign is in #kubuntu?06:38
manchickenWeaksauce ;)06:38
Jucatoopen sores :P06:38
Jucatomakuseru: yes :P06:39
makuseruthought so06:39
manchickenJucato: Freeze oft ware06:39
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manchickenHobbsee: **I KNOW** how I want to implement changelog display!06:40
Hobbseemanchicken: woo!06:40
manchickenIt's gonna be a tab in the details view06:40
manchicken"Developer Changelog"06:41
Hobbseenice :)06:41
manchickenTotal UI pwnage is mine.06:41
Jucatoit's like how kpackage does it...06:41
=== Jucato finds it weird that manchicken is working on Adept and doesn't have the other PM's installed :P
manchickenI installed Synaptic on my work lappy.06:41
manchickenI set up all three buntus in vmware on my work lappy.06:42
manchickenDon't know about kpackage.06:42
manchickenAnd remember, I didn't set out to work on adept, just the wrong place at the wrong time ;)06:42
manchickenBut it is a fun program to work on.06:42
Jucatoof course. but since you're working already :P06:42
manchickenResearch is for sissies.06:43
Jucatothen that makes me a sissy, and darn proud of it, if that's the case :P06:43
Jucatoanyone adept (no pun) at pbuilder around? :(06:44
=== Jucato can't make an edgy pbuilder.. complains something about line 1 in sources.list...
JucatoI mean, how do you check that??06:46
manchickenI don't use pbuilder, though I hear it's quite useful.06:46
manchickenLook in /etc/apt/sources.list06:46
Jucatohm.. my *own* sources.list? nothing wrong in there.. I can update just fine06:46
JucatoI'm having trouble with edgy pbuilder's sources.list...06:47
manchickenIt would be in the chroot's pbuilder....06:47
manchickenAre you doing an edgy pbuilder for testing?06:47
Jucatofor future testing and building.. yes06:47
JucatoI'm planning to package something ASAP for Feisty, then build it for Edgy too...06:48
=== Jucato taking a crash course on packaging
manchickenI just do all my hacking in chroot.06:48
=== Jucato is following the almost confusing Packaging Guide
manchickenMan, superkaramba likes to crash.06:50
Jucatoyou're just unlucky... or used the bad themes :)06:50
manchickenI love it, but it does get old when it crashes.06:50
manchickenThough I think I'm on an old version.06:50
=== Jucato only likes Liquidweather to study it...
Jucatoold version of?06:50
manchickenYeah, I'm on 14.306:51
manchickenCurrent is 14.406:51
=== Jucato told himself he won't play w/ superkaramba again until he makes his own themes... :(
manchickenAh, it's 14.506:51
manchickenI'm surprised that I'm the only person who's tired of web development.06:53
Jucatoone word: buzz06:54
manchickenThe handful of the guys in my GLUG are telling me that web development is the future, and that C++ and C are obsolete languages that're on the decline.06:55
Jucatoha! and I wonder what language was used to create the stuff that their web apps will run on06:56
manchickenEvidently, Ruby, PHP, and Java will take over the world.06:58
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manchickenGod help us all.06:59
=== Jucato thinks n8k99_ just sounded like a turkey...
n8k99_sorry, old twitch in my system06:59
=== n8k99_ had to change his pants from laughing too hard
Jucatoheh :P07:01
manchickenCOBOL has its place.07:01
manchickenLike... banking and insurance software.07:01
n8k99_yes it does - just like C, C++ ,and  C#  all have their places07:04
n8k99_heck even Lisp has its place07:04
manchickenLisp has a good place.07:04
manchickenParticularly in my text editor.07:04
n8k99_have you read Paul Graham?07:04
zakamenow onf feity, hawt! :D07:08
n8k99_he is a tremendous advocate of lisp07:08
zakamefiesta feisty fawn, hehe07:08
n8k99_manchicken would you do me a favor?07:13
manchickenn8k99_: I suppose I could try07:13
n8k99_you do understand coding correct?07:14
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manchickenSometimes... before the 4th or 5th beer.07:15
n8k99_i just had to write an analysis for a problem in my algorithmns & logic class07:15
manchickenYou're in luck, I'm about to start number 2.07:15
manchickenYou want a review?07:15
n8k99_was wondering if you could spot check it for me - its all pseudocode07:15
manchickenI must warn you first... I'm very picky07:15
manchickenVery picky.07:16
manchickenBut I'll give you a look if you want.07:16
manchickenPastebin it for me and I'll take a peek.07:16
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manchickenWhat language are you mimicking?07:20
n8k99_i'm not sure really, maybe java?07:21
n8k99_i think the point was more to solve the problem than to write code07:22
manchickenLooks okay07:27
manchickenPerhaps overengineered.07:27
n8k99_hmm... how so?07:27
manchickenYour description doesn't look like it would need so many modules.07:28
n8k99_i couldnt think of how to do multiple products07:29
n8k99_without a loop of some sort07:30
n8k99_but thank you for looking at it07:31
manchickenNo problem.  Just try to think simpler.07:31
n8k99_i'll work on that07:31
manchickenThe simple solution is often the best one07:32
n8k99_my head likes things nice and complicated - don't know wy07:33
manchickenSometimes complicated helps get simple.07:33
n8k99_cause you get to seewhat isunnecessary?07:34
manchickenWell, because you get to understand what you're really trying to do.07:35
manchickenI screwed around in adept for a week before I figured out how to work with the qlistviewitem records.07:35
manchickenTried several approaches, thought it was going to be complicated.  Once I figured it out, it couldn't have been simpler.07:36
n8k99_the what?07:36
n8k99_oops- i just came at that from the otherside!07:37
manchickenThe QListViewItem records.07:37
n8k99_did that have anything to do with the nifty new way adept opens an item to show the descriptions07:41
Jucatooccam's (ockham) razor: the simplest answer is often the correct/best one...07:43
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Jucatohm.. a turkey with a beard... now I've heard everything :07:45
n8k99_what! all hokies have beards!07:45
=== manchicken is bearded.
manchickenI've gotta find a photo of me.07:45
=== Jucato gotta resist the urge to get a razor... :)
=== n8k99_ is looking at the QListViewItem Class
n8k99_silly question- this class, being part of the Qt toolset, is used all over KDE not just adept07:48
=== Jucato presumes used in KDE only when necessary... not everything in KDE needs a list view :)
n8k99_but like in Kmail listing the mails within a folder07:50
Jucatoin Konqueror list view modes, in Keyboard shortcuts dialog box07:51
n8k99_copy that07:51
manchickenQt stuff is all over KDE.07:51
manchickenMuch of KDE's widget library--if not all--is derived directly from Qt.07:51
n8k99_i was familiar with the the order, Qt --> KDE07:51
Jucatodon't mind me.. hmm'ing about something else...07:51
n8k99_just looking at it in a closer perspective now07:52
Jucatook that is just weird...07:52
=== n8k99_ not sure he know s when to mind Jucato ;-)
n8k99_what's just weird?07:52
Jucatosomething with the list views...07:53
Jucatotrying to confirm...07:53
Jucatook... there seems to be two types of lists in KDE/Qt... or there's a bug...07:53
Jucatosimple test... manchicken, n8k99_, can you arrange/sort columns in Adept's list right now?07:54
JucatoI thought so...07:55
JucatoI remember being able to do that before07:55
manchickenI didn't break it.  It's not sortable on edgy.07:55
JucatoI think it's an upstream bug though, since I noticed this when I was running KDE compiled from SVN07:55
Jucatoheh don't worry, it's not just Adept :P07:55
n8k99_i can07:56
Jucaton8k99_: edgy?07:56
n8k99_um, no feisty07:56
Jucatoer.. what KDE version07:56
n8k99_and just did today's update07:57
Jucaton8k99_: you're clicking on the column titles to sort according to status? so that all the installed packages will be listed first, for example?07:57
Jucatostrange.. very strange...07:57
manchickenI wonder if someone put it in there.07:57
manchickenI haven't merged in anybody else's changes for some time.07:58
Jucatohow about this: Keyboard Shortcuts: General Shortcuts tab: can't sort list. Application Shortcuts tab, can sort list07:58
n8k99_oh wait- that's not working for me, but i can arrange teh columns07:58
zakameheh yakuake's in Lost and Found now07:58
Jucatomust be a 3.5.6 bug or something..07:59
zakamesorted lists not doable in adept now, but I can sort them in ktorrent07:59
Jucatoyes. I can sort in Konqueror, KMail, Akregator...07:59
zakameprobably another bug in adept's ui07:59
Jucatozakame: nope...08:00
Jucatotry Keyboard shortcuts too08:00
JucatoSystem Settings (or KControl) -> Keyboard Shortcuts08:00
JucatoYou can't sort Global Shortcuts tab, but you can the Application Shortcuts08:00
zakameyeah, reproducible here08:01
Jucatomust be a 3.5.6 bug... or maybe even 3.5.5 that I didn't notice... weird :P08:01
n8k99_it works in system settings > ntifications08:02
n8k99_erm notifications08:02
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JucatoI just love timezones :)08:02
n8k99_Jucato you should read "Eastern Standard Tribe"08:03
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Jucatoxplanet? hm...08:04
manchickenOkay, I've got my ugly mug on my launchpad.08:04
manchickenThe net is now less stable.08:04
zakamehopefully not the wrong side of the mug08:05
JucatoaaaaHh!! my eyes!!!!08:05
Jucatoit burnsssss!08:05
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n8k99_sdja'e dfgahsd08:07
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Jucatoaaah! my eyes!! it burns again!!!08:07
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n8k99_seems young Juan Carlos has neglected his page08:10
Jucatoof course.. I'm not photogenic :P08:10
Jucato(although there are lots of pics on my site... :P )08:10
n8k99_oh like i am!08:10
manchickenCome on man.08:10
manchickenI did it.08:11
Jucatohah I don't have a pic that's quite current :D08:11
manchickenRichard did it.08:11
manchickenThat photo I put up is from a couple months ago.08:11
manchickenFrom when I met Richard Stallman.08:11
Jucatoor I don't have a pic that's been cropped around the edges08:11
Jucatoand was inspired by his beard?08:11
n8k99_i shaved and got a haircut after my run in with RMS08:11
manchickenI cropped my own photo right here.08:12
manchickenGIMP skills.08:12
Jucatohm.. can you still change your pic once you've uploaed it?08:12
zakameyeah, I've changed several times08:12
n8k99_better than skill of a gimp08:12
imbrandonRiddell, I have 1.4.5 ready to upload but i'm waiting on 2 things, the ipod support needs libgpod 0.4.2 or greater and its uploaded but its in depwait for a python package to be manualy promoted to main. i poked about it and it should get done today, anyhow just FYI i have this done and ready08:13
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Jucatoheh hi imbrandon08:13
zakameyo imbrandon08:13
imbrandonello guys08:14
Lureimbrandon: great - we started to track flagship apps for inclusion here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps08:15
imbrandonLure, rockin08:15
Lureimbrandon: when is the release date for amarok?08:16
zakamebrb... NM08:17
imbrandoni have it now , packagers get it early08:17
imbrandonbut the "public" release is tomarrow08:17
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Lureimbrandon: ok, updated wiki08:20
imbrandoncool thanks Lure08:21
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Jucatomanchicken: ha! n8k99_ left before he could see it :P08:34
manchickenIt's almost time to backhand the kittens.08:35
Jucatosee. no beard :)08:35
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manchickenGo for it.08:37
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zakameJucato: needs more razor08:39
Jucatoheh :)08:40
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manchickenOkay, I'm going to go to bed before I have to sacrifice something to elisp in order to get this freaking build to work.09:25
manchickenNighty night.09:25
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Jucatohi :)01:16
Hobbseehey mhb, Jucato01:17
Jucatohi Hobbsee!01:17
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fdovinghi all.01:18
fdovingwhat's needed for musicbrainz tagging to work with amarok?01:18
fdovingit tells me it doesn't support mp3 or something.01:18
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_StefanS_hi Riddlos02:11
JucatoRiddel has become an operating system..02:11
_StefanS_a robot maybe02:11
_StefanS_he's been up all night probably02:11
Hobbseeno, he went to bed...02:11
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JucatoHobbsee: still up? :P02:21
HobbseeJucato: yeah.  i went to work tonight02:22
Jucatoaw.. (02:23
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Jucatowb n8k99_02:26
Jucaton8k99_: you left just before I put up my hackygotchi :P02:27
n8k99_sorry, it was sleeping tim here02:27
Jucatoheh it's ok. at least you didn't get to see it lol02:28
Riddellimbrandon: any plans to do edgy builds of amarok?02:28
n8k99_yeah- i would have never got to sleep then!02:28
Jucatoyou would... but would be having nightmares :P02:28
imbrandonRiddell, i can, and had planned on it02:28
imbrandonas i will have to backport libgpod etc too02:29
abattoirRiddell: hi, yes, i had mailed him... was he angry? :P02:29
zakameevening all02:29
Jucatoevening zakame!02:29
imbrandonheya zakame02:29
Jucatofinally edgy pbuilder finished :P02:29
zakamecan someone check out my update on wlassistant on revu? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=425202:30
zakameyo Jucato imbrandon02:30
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n8k99_is there a list of the most recent changes?02:31
n8k99_for kubuntu?02:32
zakamehmm is adept broken? Just tried updating teh pkglist with it it crashed :(02:32
Jucatothought that was fixed in herd 302:33
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zakameJucato: specifically, it shows a dialog telling me there's a new version of kubuntu available, and asks me if I should upgrade... once I click `yes' it crashes02:33
Riddellabattoir: no, of course not :)02:34
n8k99_it was doing that in herd 202:34
Jucatozakame: yep, that bug in herd 202:34
praetorzakame: someone must have changed something in the wizard code then02:35
zakameheh my version is 2.1.2ubuntu10, should update to ubuntu11 (via aptitude :/)02:35
Riddellzakame: that's unlikely to help02:35
zakameRiddell: yeah, probably not... I'll just keep in sync though for the moment02:36
Hobbseeevening Riddell02:36
zakameother than that, kubuntu feisty is very very well integrated :) at least no serious dist-upgrade breakage02:37
Jucatobtw, are we going to have a sort of upgrade testing in between RC and Final release? you know, get some people to test dist-upgrade (or the new shiny update manager c/o Riddell) before everyone does?02:38
zakamehmm according to sched upgrade testing should be just after the 8th02:39
mhbJucato: yep, we are02:39
abattoirJucato: that's generally part of the test procedure(there's a provision for it in the test matrix)02:39
ubotuUbuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases02:39
zakamehm yakuake is `lost and found' in the menu02:40
Jucatook... I think I'll be available for that02:40
Jucatowhy doesn't ubotu link anymore to the Schedule page?02:40
ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+102:40
JucatoI know, but before it did link to it... iirc02:41
n8k99_hmm... new packages02:42
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RiddellJucato: dist upgrade testing to start next week I hope02:46
zakameooh, next week!  I was early then :P02:47
Jucatooooh ok02:48
abattoirRiddell: he hasn't replied back to me yet, what did he tell you? if i may ask?03:13
Jucato(no you may not ask...)03:14
zakamewow the shadow knows on hbo...03:19
zakameoh, ECHAN03:19
Riddellabattoir: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2007-02-01.html03:20
Jucatowhoa... why is mine there...03:21
Jucatomy name I mean...03:21
Riddellbecause our meeting of wednesday went over midnight03:22
abattoirRiddell: aah, ok, i mailed him after that, asking if changes could be made to dbfilter/debconf... i thought he might get cross since i was asking this late...03:24
abattoirbut he himself has said " I won't get round to merging oem-config into ubiquity this time round and clone-and-hacking from u6y instead" , so no worries, i guess :)03:24
abattoirRiddell: i'll wait for his reply, thanks03:25
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alleezakame: wlassistant: you ignore the /etc/network/pre-up|pre-down dirs.  Any special reason?03:41
zakameallee: actually I was thinking about that, I should put that in as well, but I'm also thinking about the environment vars that most of the scripts installed there use, like $IFACE03:42
alleezakame: they are used in if-up|down dirs here too03:45
zakameallee: I should give some more thought about that integration; should I remove that then, and just put in 0.5.6 with the previous ubuntu changes?03:45
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alleezakame: unfortunately yes.  I've no idea how the run-partss scripts work when expected  env vars asre missing.03:47
tomafwiw, the 6.06 live cd works for me *sigh*03:47
alleehi toma03:47
tomahi allee03:48
zakameallee: ok just give me a minute to roll back the patch and upload to revu again :)03:48
alleezakame: maybe a simpler approach would be to let wlassistant generate an interface file and call ifup -i /path-to-setup-file03:49
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zakameyeah I thought of that too, maybe putting that somewhere in /var/run or /var/cache?03:49
zakamethat'll need to overhaul the WACommands code altogether03:50
alleezakame: no idea how intrusive such a change would be.  AFAIK wpa_assistant uses a similar way with interface files, check which dir is used there03:51
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zakameok, I'll check later :)03:52
alleezakame: fwiw, maybe working if run-parts for knetworkmanager (does it really not exists?) would be more pressing?03:53
alleezakame: or do you need/depend on static IF seetup for wlan?03:53
zakameallee: it appears to be working... I saw a run-parts script for networkmanager a while ago, maybe knetworkmanager just rides on top of that, but I'm not sure03:53
zakameI'll investigate as much as I can to it as well03:54
praetorzakame: i merged riddel's adept branch and tested it, works fine for me04:16
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praetorcompiled with a custom metafile to test the new version stuff, and it doesnt crash04:16
zakamepraetor: rocking!04:17
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Jucatohi bddebian04:18
bddebianHeya Jucato and zakame (again) :_)04:18
mhbRiddell: are the adept l10n fixes I submitted present in current Feisty adept?04:18
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XVampireXHeya :)04:32
XVampireXDoes anyone know about kopete 0.12.4? Any new features other than that patch for making it pretty?04:33
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Jucato#kopete ?04:33
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gnomefreakpatches make things pretty? i thought those were skins04:52
Jucatoskins = patches that makes things pretty :D04:53
Jucatoor rather "skins patch = makes things pretty"04:53
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gnomefreakbbs when this is done building04:55
zakamealways keep a buildlog, no matter what :)04:57
JucatoI just read that as "builddog"04:58
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zakamebddebian: yo re-added dh_iconcache in yakuake?05:12
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mhbseele: ping05:45
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tomaberyl is fun05:59
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seelemhb: pong06:06
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manchickenwordpress is like so much heroin that I just can't stop injecting into my web site...08:00
manchicken(bad analogy)08:00
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jjessegotta love blizzards :) :)09:35
jjessenixternal: are you snowbound in chicago?09:36
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manchickenIt's not snowing now.10:22
manchickenWindy and considerably cold though (in Chicago)10:22
Tm_Tmanchicken: Define cold.10:24
Tm_THmm, what's that in celsius?10:25
Tm_THmm, that's nice. :)10:27
nixternalit is a tad bit cold here today10:27
Tm_TWarm days been here.10:28
nixternaljjesse lives right up the street from my old home town, so I know the snow they are getting, we are on the phone with my aunt who lives about 45 minutes south of him10:28
Tm_TI'm still waiting -35'C days to come.10:29
nixternalnot me10:29
Tm_TReally makes you feel confortable in home. ;)10:29
manchickenYou Europeans and your celsius.  It's just unamerican.10:33
claydohheck warm spell here, I had to remove my outer jacket running the snowblower10:37
mhbmanchicken: it's time for you to forget measuring sizes in "club"s and value in "golden nugget"s :o)10:38
claydohit was -9F/-23C earlier this week10:38
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manchickenI'd prefer "beer bottles"10:39
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_StefanS_hi there11:55
manchickenHello all you happy people.11:59
mhbhi _StefanS_12:01

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