[12:16] <elcuco> nice, works perfectly (stollen code from plastik? who cares)
[12:16] <elcuco> which windeco will be used in the future by kubuntu?
[12:18] <_StefanS_> ekuco: grab 1.0 from kde-look.org
[12:21] <mhb> elcuco: polyester will be (most likely) used for Feisty, KDE4 default style for feisty+1
[12:23] <Riddell> manchicken: current adept doesn't show the arrow next to the items in the list view, is that likely to be your patch's doing?
[12:23] <elcuco> ok, found a deb, looks nice with all the animations on, kinda heavy, but ok
[12:30] <manchicken> Riddell: Seeing as how everything I do is perfect, I doubt it ;)
[12:31] <manchicken> Riddell: Most likely.  I was noticing that too, but I was ignoring it..  probably not a good idea.
[12:32] <Riddell> manchicken: what's the branch to get your current supported indicator patch?  support-indicator-tooltip?
[12:35] <manchicken> yeah
[12:35] <manchicken> If bzr worked with committing merges, trunk would have had it.
[12:35] <Riddell> what's in trunk?
[12:35] <manchicken> I was hoping to have that be the latest branch that all could hit regardless of what the latest feature I'd done was.
[12:36] <Riddell> I'm still not sure what the best way to handle this is, it should be one archive per patch but I don't know where to branch the archive and how to get the diff
[12:37] <Riddell> manchicken: it's just the lister.cpp and lister.h files I need?
[12:38] <manchicken> yeah
[12:38] <manchicken> and the indicator png
[12:47] <manchicken> Are you gonna fix it?
[12:47] <manchicken> I can totally fix it if you put a bug on for me.
[12:48] <manchicken> If I don't have any boogs I won't have anything to do after feature freeze ;)
[12:50] <Riddell> fix the arrow thing?
[12:50] <Riddell> just now I'm trying to get it to compile :)
[12:51] <_StefanS_> about adept_updater .. that wizard thing never worked for me - how was it intended to work ?
[12:51] <Riddell> download packages, install them
[12:51] <_StefanS_> my adept_updater just quits if I clicked on Next
[12:51] <_StefanS_> It was kinda odd
[12:51] <manchicken> Okay, gotta run.  I'll be back on in about 3-5 hours.  If you have any ideas, please let me know (manchicken@kubuntu.org).  I really like ideas, but I really gotta run.
[12:52] <Riddell> _StefanS_: it's broken in feisty
[12:52] <_StefanS_> okay :)
[12:52] <_StefanS_> the fade thing works now with settings in ksmserverrc
[12:52] <Riddell> groovy
[12:53] <Riddell> got a .deb and a debdiff?
[12:53] <Riddell> (or just the patch)
[12:53] <_StefanS_> I was thinking about putting the other settings in there as well. Would make it easier to adapt
[12:53] <_StefanS_> FADE_BACK_TIME, FADE_TIME, ADDITIONAL_DARKNESS
[12:54] <Riddell> sure
[12:54] <_StefanS_> I was just thinking about how you represent floats in konfig's
[12:54] <_StefanS_> KConfig even
[12:54] <Riddell> dunno, look at the API docs
[12:55] <_StefanS_> yep I'll look it up
[01:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: its compiling kdebase again now, I will test it in a few moments.
[01:43] <XVampireX> Hello?
[01:44] <XVampireX> There's something that's a bit disappointing in Kubuntu... Adept doesn't seem to be liking  new users (I.E: No ubuntu specific patches to it), or maybe I don't know how to use it (And I'm not a new user, just wanted to say how cool ubuntu specific patches for synaptic are)
[01:44] <XVampireX> Things like enabling universe and multiverse with a click...
[01:50] <mhb> XVampireX: will be ready for Feisty, I hope
[01:51] <mhb> Hobbsee!!
[01:53] <mhb> XVampireX: those features are in development
[01:53] <XVampireX> Oh, alright :D
[01:53] <XVampireX> But feature freeze soon, no?
[01:53] <mhb> XVampireX: true
[01:53] <Riddell> that's why I'm writing it now
[01:53] <XVampireX> Oh, alright
[01:54] <mhb> XVampireX: and that's why it is 02:00 here and I'm still awake :o)
[01:54] <XVampireX> :)
[01:55] <praetor> Riddell: I just wrote in mail exporting support for kmail, do you want the patch for feisty?
[01:55] <Riddell> praetor: what does it do?
[01:55] <praetor> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=77744
[01:55] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 77744 in general "JJ: add tool to archive all mail" [Wishlist,New] 
[01:55] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!
[01:56] <mhb> XVampireX: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlwaysEnableUniverseMultiverse
[01:56] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[01:56] <praetor> calls ark to compress the users mail folder, creates a new folder on the users desktop kmail_exported_mail, places the archive there and then opens a konqueror in file management mode which displays the mail archive
[01:56] <praetor> ive tested it with kmail's mail import tool and it seems to work
[01:57] <Riddell> praetor: sure sounds good
[01:57] <Riddell> praetor: is the patch in upstream?
[01:57] <praetor> i just submitted it now so not yet
[01:57] <XVampireX> mhb: That sounds really good...
[01:58] <Riddell> praetor: able to send a debdiff to kubuntu-devel?
[01:58] <XVampireX> A little general ubuntu question: Are madwifi drivers already installed by default in edgy?
[01:58] <praetor> i can send you a diff against kmail svn ;)
[01:58] <Riddell> praetor: hmm, it really needs to be against 3.5.6
[01:58] <praetor> ok let me grab the sources for that then
[01:59] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: iirc, yes
[01:59] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: my old wifi card worked by default in edgy, so yeah.  not sure about on the live cd though?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> i think it did there too
[01:59] <XVampireX> And can you people apply a little kde patch? The most notable for me is move to: in right click on file and try to move a file, konqueror crashes, I submitted a bug report for KDE.
[02:00] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: what patch was it?
[02:00] <XVampireX> I don't know, well, I mean, fix it :P
[02:00] <XVampireX> I can give you the bug report
[02:00] <mhb> XVampireX: can you describe the problem in detail?
[02:00] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: probably not.
[02:01] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: if there's a patch, we can apply it, but it probably works better for the kde devels to actually fix the bugs.
[02:01] <XVampireX> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=140867
[02:01] <Riddell> Move To: works fine for me
[02:01] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 140867 in general "Konqueror crashes when I move something into a different directory" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] 
[02:01] <Riddell> although that UI is horrible
[02:02] <XVampireX> Hmm, maybe I should update now, then
[02:04] <Hobbsee> dont cancel the classes that i need to do for my degree!  gah!
[02:05] <XVampireX> how do I ask for a newer version of an application in the repositories (mplayer)
[02:06] <Hobbsee> hooray, spammers
[02:06] <XVampireX> ?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> in #ubuntu and #kubuntu
[02:06] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: upgrade it yourself, or find one of the media team and ask for it.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: probably the latteer
[02:07] <XVampireX> Hmm... Who might that be?
[02:07] <Hobbsee> dont remember offhand
[02:08] <XVampireX> I don't mind compiling a package for everyone to use (I really want to contribute much to ubuntu and linux in general)
[02:08] <XVampireX> But no idea how to make a general package and then submit it
[02:08] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: https://launchpad.net/~debian-multimedia maybe
[02:08] <Hobbsee> ah
[02:08] <Hobbsee> ask crimsun when he comes back
[02:10] <XVampireX> Ah, crimsun talked to me about it, but it was too complicated, s/he gave me some links to the wiki on how to submit a request for package upgrade....
[02:12] <Hobbsee> hrm.  apparently i've contributed to Fooix the Wonder-Toaster
[02:12] <bddebian> er?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> bddebian: the beta of launchpad
[02:13] <bddebian> Ah :-)
[02:14] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes, I was wondering what that was too
[02:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i suspect they're just putting extra stuff in, just to test it out
[02:14] <Hobbsee> hey cool, apparently i'm involved in a couple of specs!~
[02:18] <Hobbsee> i dont think emails to *@localhost will workk
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what's this "feedback request" thing on specs?
[02:20] <Riddell> it means you want people to comment on the spec
[02:20] <Hobbsee> ie, so i'm supposed to comment on the spec?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> hrm, okay
[02:21] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: Maybe you could implement something in launchpad that would mark a package out of date?
[02:22] <XVampireX> Because for example there's a stable mplayer release for a while now
[02:22] <XVampireX> 1.0rc1
[02:22] <Jucato> hm.. in Launchpad, if I set my preferred e-mail address from my @gmail.com to @kubuntu.org (yay!), will it sort of "break" the connection?
[02:23] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: or not, i'm a launchpad dev.
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yes.  dont do it
[02:23] <Jucato> Hobbsee: ooh ok.. thanks for telling me :)
[02:24] <Riddell> XVampireX: report a wishlist bug
[02:24] <Hobbsee> Jucato: it's a bug in LP.  it breaks if you ever try to change where @kubuntu.org points to - same as the @ubuntu ones
[02:24] <Hobbsee> er, might be a bug in the emails
[02:24] <XVampireX> And speaking of adept usability, is there an update manager for it? I don't seem to see one.. I remember there was one before...
[02:24] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: there hasnt been.  there is now, though
[02:24] <XVampireX> Riddell: for updating mplayer or for launchpad?
[02:24] <Jucato> XVampireX: in feisty or in edgy?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: for launchpad
[02:24] <XVampireX> Right now I'm in feisty
[02:25] <Jucato> ah
[02:25] <Jucato> there is an adept_updater.. but I don't know if it could be considered an update manager...
[02:25] <Jucato> there is/was
[02:25] <Hobbsee> ubuntu's update manager got ported over though
[02:25] <XVampireX> Oh, so it should be even better :)
[02:26] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: why are you doing it?
[02:26] <Jucato> yes. all thanks to Riddell!! yay!
[02:26] <Jucato> Hobbsee: because it's fun! :)
[02:26] <Jucato> lol
[02:26] <Hobbsee> Jucato: indeed!  i'm just surprised there are so many :)
[02:26] <Jucato> I hope I didn't start a trend :P
[02:26] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: err, because I like seeing shitloads of text passing by all night... :)
[02:26] <Riddell> XVampireX: for updating mplayer
[02:27] <Jucato> _StefanS_: then you'll love cmake... colorful shitloads of text :)
[02:27] <_StefanS_> whoa
[02:27] <Hobbsee> ahh...
[02:27] <Hobbsee> isnt that a #ubuntu-motu sort of question, as it's in multiverse?
[02:27] <XVampireX> Riddell: Ah, ok :)
[02:27] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ show mplayer | grep Maintainer
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Developers <ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com>
[02:27] <Hobbsee> Original-Maintainer: Ubuntu MOTU Media Team <motumedia@tauware.de>
[02:28] <_StefanS_> I managed to keep my cpu temp to 80 degrees celsius for the past 2 hours.. maybe I should turn off the heat in the house.
[02:28] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: 80 degrees what?
[02:29] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: not fahrenheit. The other one you know.
[02:29] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: look it up :)
[02:29] <Hobbsee> good
[02:30] <n8k99_> in australian?
[02:30] <_StefanS_> its a laptop, the safe temp is 100 degrees.. I'm aiming to get to 90 within an hour :)
[02:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[02:30] <Hobbsee> not this one, though
[02:30] <mhb> I always told Lure people complain about the heat and battery power :o)
[02:30] <Riddell> _StefanS_: you are doing debuild -nc?
[02:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yea
[02:31] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: fujitsu may do it
[02:31] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: Should I email the original maintainer?
[02:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I might be all wrong
[02:31] <Hobbsee> it's a list, you'll get moderated
[02:31] <_StefanS_> Riddell: it cleans every time
[02:31] <Riddell> mm, -nc should stop that
[02:31] <zakame> morning all! :D
[02:32] <Hobbsee> hey zakame!
[02:32] <Jucato> morning zakame!
[02:32] <zakame> hi Hobbsee Jucato!
[02:32] <zakame> almost done now with the feisty upgrade
[02:32] <Jucato> nice
[02:32] <Jucato> finished building the feisty pbuilder...
[02:33] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I think its all the stuff stuffed around the make process that takes the extra time
[02:33] <_StefanS_> stuff stuffed.. i must be very tired
[02:34] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: how long till rc2?
[02:34] <XVampireX> No idea
[02:36] <Jucato> Riddell: excuse me, just wondering... will the terminal emulator-thing for Adept be fixed in Feisty? the one that gives problems when approving licenses like Java's?
[02:37] <Hobbsee> Jucato: ask manchicken that when he comes bakc ;P
[02:37] <Jucato> I think he said Riddell was the one fixing it...
[02:37] <Jucato> bah nvm.. it's not like I can fix it :P
[02:37] <mhb> Jucato: it's not that you can't :o)
[02:37] <Jucato> well technically, I can't yet :P
[02:37] <Riddell> Jucato: yes, it's a priority
[02:38] <mhb> some fixes are really trivial, although it may not be this one
[02:38] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: i'll look into it
[02:39] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: Thank you :)
[02:39] <zakame> where can I help out to fix bugs in? :)
[02:39] <Hobbsee> zakame: kdebase, maybe?
[02:44] <mhb> goodnight folks
[02:45] <_StefanS_> night
[02:53] <zakame> hmm bug #61946, who's working on that?
[02:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 61946 in kdebase "[Edgy Data Loss]  umount progress dialog missing" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/61946
[02:54] <Riddell> zakame: nobody, it's an upstream issue and apparantly not an easy one to fix
[02:56] <zakame> i see... so it's on the kde bugtracker I gather, should we note that on the bug if so?
[03:03] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm off, gave up on the extra settings. And now I reverted, I still get that error from the patches.
[03:03] <_StefanS_> crap
[03:03] <Riddell> _StefanS_: foo
[03:03] <_StefanS_> I wasted 2 hours and now still don't work
[03:04] <_StefanS_> good nite
[03:04] <_StefanS_> I'm off
[03:19] <ScottK> Heya Hobbsee, still wading through trying to get Kmail to do S/MIME.  I know that gpgsm sees the keys OK, so that's not it.  I'll let you know when I figure it out or give up.
[03:19] <Hobbsee> ScottK: cool :)
[03:36] <XVampireX> Are there any plans to work on even more wireless support?
[03:36] <XVampireX> And thinking less about "freedom" ?
[03:36] <Riddell> ?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: explain?
[03:37] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: as in, more wireless support, where the wireless drivers are closed source?
[03:37] <XVampireX> Yes
[03:38] <Hobbsee> the ones that we're allowed to include, we do, iirc
[03:38] <XVampireX> Oh
[03:39] <Hobbsee> stuff that we cant distribute legally, no
[03:39] <XVampireX> Shame :-/
[03:39] <zakame> just making sure... is wlassistant shipped in kubuntu cds right?
[03:39] <Riddell> in edgy yes
[03:40] <Riddell> not in feisty
[03:40] <zakame> what's in feisty?
[03:40] <Riddell> knetworkmanager
[03:40] <XVampireX> How would one configure a wireless card/router/etc... if they don't have an internet connection?
[03:40] <XVampireX> knetworkmanager is really nice :)
[03:41] <zakame> oh... does it do run-parts on the /etc/network/if-{,pre-}{up,down}.d/ scripts?
[03:41] <XVampireX> run parts?
[03:41] <Riddell> no
[03:42] <Hobbsee> night Riddell!
[03:42] <zakame> awww, I wish it had that ;)
[03:42] <zakame> gn8 Riddell
[03:42] <zakame> and thanks
[03:43] <Jucato> night Riddell
[03:43] <XVampireX> Are there any new optimizations in feisty? It seems ALOT faster
[03:43] <XVampireX> And that's not just me, so it's definitely not a feeling
[03:44] <XVampireX> (03:58:02)  Andy:  Fantastic feisty. Have you noticed the performance improvement? Damn.
[03:45] <XVampireX> Good night Riddel, yeah :D
[03:45] <stdin> edgy actually seems slow in comparison and I remember thinking "Wow, this is much faster then dapper"
[03:45] <stdin> s/then/than/
[03:45] <zakame> hehe
[03:46] <XVampireX> I wonder what causes that, newer kernel?
[03:46] <stdin> most likely
[03:46] <stdin> that and cleaner code would be my guess
[03:47] <XVampireX> haha
[03:55] <XVampireX> Linux is really heading to the right place. More so ubuntu derivatives :)
[04:13] <XVampireX> I really like how you also integrate winecfg in KDE/Qt interface in System Settings :)
[04:14] <mstemle> Why on earth would we put winecfg into kde-systemsettings?
[04:15] <Jucato> it's actually already in KControl
[04:15] <Jucato> in Edgy it wasn't put into System Settings, even if Wine was installed
[04:15] <manchicken> Silly konversation.
[04:16] <manchicken> I think it kinda silly to put it into system settings.
[04:16] <Jucato> winecfg itself isn't. it's a KDE frontend to winecfg
[04:16] <XVampireX> manchicken: I mean what Jucato said
[04:17] <manchicken> I don't understand why we'd do that. I wasn't aware we encouraged the use of wine.
[04:17] <XVampireX> Jucato: That's what I said, KDE/Qt interface :)
[04:17] <Jucato> strangely enough, on this new edgy install.. it isn't there anymore.. must be something I installed earlier
[04:17] <XVampireX> haha!
[04:18] <XVampireX> Yeah, I totally agree... we should concentrate on usability instead of just plain making people think they are free
[04:18] <manchicken> Not FSF sermon. Support limitations.
[04:18] <Jucato> anyway, like I said, it's not there by default
[04:18] <Jucato> it just exists. but it's not Kubuntu's doing, afaik
[04:18] <XVampireX> I didn't come over to Linux to see that I don't have the options to use Windows software
[04:18] <manchicken> XVampireX: I would disagree with you there.
[04:19] <manchicken> XVampireX: But it's not our job to support non-free software.
[04:19] <XVampireX> Wine is free
[04:19] <manchicken> But it's not used for those purposes most of the time.
[04:19] <Jucato> (ubuntu supports nvidia-glx...)
[04:19] <XVampireX> Windows software may or may not be free
[04:19] <manchicken> Wine is also quite flakey still.
[04:19] <XVampireX> wine works great for me
[04:19] <manchicken> XVampireX: More often then not it isn't free.
[04:20] <XVampireX> Well yeah, figure why people want to use photoshop first
[04:20] <XVampireX> Oh, one more thing
[04:20] <XVampireX> What is being done for read/write of NTFS?
[04:20] <zakame> ntfs-3g?
[04:20] <XVampireX> Not installed by default?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> mp
[04:20] <Hobbsee> no
[04:20] <XVampireX> Oh
[04:20] <stdin> because it's beta
[04:20] <zakame> yes, very beta
[04:20] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: what the forums tell you != what's actually happening.
[04:21] <zakame> brb, cooking
[04:21] <XVampireX> Maybe for friendliness, you could supply the most needed software as a package on the CD... so people without internet connection could easily install it?
[04:21] <Jucato> brb sleeping
[04:21] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: ndiswrapper is there already
[04:21] <manchicken> XVampireX: CDs only have so much room.
[04:21] <XVampireX> ndiswrapper is on CD? Oh, neat!
[04:21] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: and when you find a cd that has unlimited space....do let me kow
[04:21] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: yes, has been for ages.
[04:21] <XVampireX> Heh :)
[04:22] <Jucato> yes, Ubuntu will be at the forefront of unlimited CD space Live CD's
[04:22] <XVampireX> I thought we had to download it from apt online repositories :(
[04:22] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: i mean, we could include all of main on the cd, if it werent for space
[04:22] <praetor> Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine."
[04:22] <praetor> too rich
[04:22] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: no, that would just be stupid.  even !ndiswrapper tells you that
[04:22] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: DVD version?
[04:22] <XVampireX> you could raise some money with the DVD version you sell in amazon
[04:22] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: most people dont have a dvd burner, nor the bandwidth
[04:23] <XVampireX> Well you sell CDs in amazon, yeah?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> besides, that's been discussed on hte ubuntu-devel mailing list.  go read it :)
[04:23] <Hobbsee> someone does, yeah. not me personally
[04:23] <manchicken> Why does the install media have to be beefy?
[04:23] <XVampireX> I'm not a mailing list guy :(
[04:23] <manchicken> Why not just install minimally and then apt-get the rest?
[04:23] <manchicken> That's what adept is for.
[04:23] <XVampireX> because maybe people don't have the internet connections?
[04:24] <XVampireX> fast or not at all
[04:24] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: yes, but we're not suse/mandrake/{insert other distros with 5 cds}
[04:24] <manchicken> XVampireX: Then how would having it on the DVD, or having it on amazon help them?
[04:24] <XVampireX> They would buy it
[04:24] <XVampireX> You would raise some money
[04:24] <manchicken> How would they buy anything online without internet access?
[04:24] <XVampireX> and could use it for development
[04:25] <XVampireX> how would you know about ubuntu without internet access? :D
[04:25] <manchicken> Development isn't that expensive.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> if you want absolutely everything on cd, then you really need to go for another distro.  or the dvd version.  ubuntu isnt everything to everyone
[04:25] <XVampireX> I don't want everything on the CD
[04:25] <XVampireX> I want the neccessary things
[04:25] <manchicken> And we do our best to provide what is necessary.
[04:25] <Hobbsee> most, if not all, are on there :)
[04:25] <XVampireX> Thank you :)
[04:26] <manchicken> ntfs beta stuff isn't necessary.
[04:26] <manchicken> Matter of fact, it could really damage file systems.
[04:26] <XVampireX> I heard that
[04:26] <manchicken> And that really isn't necessary.
[04:26] <XVampireX> what about FUSE?
[04:26] <Jucato> the Desktop CD's are not meant for intensive recovery anyway (like KNOPPIX)
[04:26] <Hobbsee> it's just what you define as "necessary" isnt what i define as "necessary" nor anyone else's "necessary"
[04:26] <manchicken> Slow, unnecessary, not always the most stable.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> Jucato: mind you, they're getting better.  i think it was time for writing ubiquity that means it's not that full featured yet.
[04:27] <XVampireX> Oh, another thing, what about setting up an internet connection?
[04:27] <manchicken> Jucato: FSF membership card is excellent for recovery ^_^
[04:27] <manchicken> XVampireX: What about it?
[04:27] <XVampireX> For example, I have a speedtouch modem, and I connect via PPTP, how would I set it up?
[04:27] <Jucato> Hobbsee: for installing and running a Live CD, yes it's getting better. but for backupa and recovery like what KNOPPIX offers? maybe not
[04:27] <Jucato> manchicken: bah
[04:28] <Jucato> :P
[04:28] <XVampireX> Right now I'm using a router and I would like a direct connection as I have no idea how to connect directly
[04:28] <Hobbsee> Jucato: true that.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: kppp?  it doesnt work out of the box though.
[04:28] <XVampireX> Ah
[04:28] <Hobbsee> there's a README that documents why
[04:28] <manchicken> Jucato: I learned that the easy way.  Plopped in my membership card when I was having trouble.
[04:28] <XVampireX> That's the pain...
[04:29] <XVampireX> Hope it gets resolved in the future
[04:29] <Jucato> manchicken: I have no plans of applying for membership just for a recovery card :P
[04:29] <manchicken> XVampireX: Most of these weird services don't give their customers enough information to directly connect.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: what's the plan?
[04:29] <manchicken> Jucato: The membership card is merely a fringe benefit.  Supporting GNU is the real benefit ^_^
[04:29] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: Hmm?
[04:29] <Hobbsee> oh.  pain
[04:30] <XVampireX> Well, my plan is to get up and running with python
[04:30] <manchicken> Jucato: They've been donating oodles of money to make free MMORPGs ^_^
[04:30] <XVampireX> So I can help with building interfaces for people who need usability
[04:30] <Jucato> manchicken: hm... I presume you've read what happened to that campaign...
[04:30] <manchicken> Jucato: Doesn't mean they aren't looking for other projects to support.
[04:31] <manchicken> Jucato: gcc and emacs are still worth supporting.
[04:31] <XVampireX> Any idea if Linux Kernel will support force feedback on gamepads?
[04:31] <Jucato> ah of course.. gcc... where would we be without that
[04:31] <manchicken> Jucato: A bunch of source code.
[04:31] <manchicken> Jucato: Not much to do with it.
[04:31] <Jucato> or used another compiler... :D
[04:32] <manchicken> Jucato: Why use anything else when you've already got the best one?
[04:32] <Jucato> it's the only one I know anyway... I mean on Linux.
[04:33] <manchicken> You mean on GNU? ;)
[04:33] <manchicken> They have one for every OS out there.
[04:34] <manchicken> Solaris, OSX, BSD, Win, Haiku, OS/2
[04:34] <manchicken> HPUX, etc.
[04:34] <Jucato> I mean Linux
[04:34] <Jucato> I haven't tried any of those
[04:34] <Jucato> other ones
[04:34] <manchicken> Kernels don't use compilers silly ;)
[04:34] <manchicken> Operating systems use compilers.
[04:34] <manchicken> :P
[04:35] <manchicken> GNU is all I insist on.  GNU with a Darwin kernel feels exactly the same.
[04:35] <manchicken> I tried Debian's GNU/Darwin the other day.
[04:35] <manchicken> I didn't know it until I uname -a'ed it.
[04:36] <manchicken> Was running KDE and everything.
[04:36] <manchicken> Jucato: Yeah, good luck with that ^_^
[04:36] <Jucato> almost noon... and I can't sleep until the garbage truck passes by...
[04:36] <manchicken> Wow.
[04:37] <manchicken> I know that feeling.
[04:37] <manchicken> It's 21:45 CST
[04:37] <zakame> Jucato: have you slept?
[04:37] <Jucato> zakame: yeah.. dunno why I always feel sleepy the past days
[04:38] <zakame> hopefully not tse-tse :(
[04:46] <XVampireX> Last thing
[04:46] <XVampireX> Is there going to be a dialog for kubuntu like gdebi for installing debs?
[04:46] <XVampireX> or are you staying with right click?
[04:46] <zakame> oh shi-, I got hit by a dist-upgrade bug on adept-common and adept-notifier
[04:46] <zakame> bug #82651
[04:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82651 in adept "File overwrite problem" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82651
[04:47] <Jucato> iirc that was a plan. not sure if porting will push through...
[04:47] <XVampireX> You're trying to port it to Qt?
[04:48] <zakame> any workarounds on this?
[04:49] <XVampireX> --force-all
[04:49] <XVampireX> in dpkg
[04:49] <stdin> if in doubt, use the force
[04:50] <XVampireX> :P
[04:50] <zakame> well, aside from that
[04:50] <zakame> confirming the above-mentioned bug...
[04:51] <XVampireX> It should definitely be confirmed
[04:52] <XVampireX> looks like someone did it just now
[04:52] <zakame> that would be me :P
[04:52] <zakame> wb manchicken
[04:52] <manchicken> ty
[04:53] <manchicken> Just switching lappies.
[04:53] <XVampireX> Oh, and for feisty you can add basKet instead of knotes
[04:58] <manchicken> Jucato: Why wouldn't you? ;)
[04:58] <zakame> hehe
[04:58] <Jucato> because I should be sleeping lol
[04:58] <Jucato> brb lunch
[04:58] <manchicken> Then get to it.
[04:58] <Jucato> kain na tayo zakame :D
[04:59] <zakame> still cooking lunch
[04:59] <Jucato> Filipino :P
[04:59] <zakame> Pinoy
[04:59] <manchicken> filipino.
[04:59] <Jucato> manchicken:  that meant "let's eat, zakame"
[04:59] <manchicken> Ah.
[04:59] <Jucato> notice where the comma is, btw
[05:00] <manchicken> heh
[05:00] <Jucato> because "let's eat zakame" would be totally weird...
[05:00] <zakame> lol!
[05:00] <Jucato> not to mention it would probably taste bad :P
[05:00] <manchicken> It's good that you wouldn't want to join others in consuming your buddy zakame ;)
[05:01] <Jucato> hah there are so few Filipino ubuntu members, I'd rather turn us into an endangered specie
[05:02] <manchicken> Nice.
[05:06] <manchicken> anybody know if the adept indicator tooltip patch has been committed yet?
[05:11] <manchicken> XVampireX: You fixed a bug?
[05:11] <XVampireX> Well I reported it, and it seems like it's somehow either fixed itself or something fixed it :)
[05:11] <manchicken> Ah.
[05:12] <XVampireX> the move to: bug I was talking about before, that crashed konqi
[05:14] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: i'm not in favour of that (basket over knotes)
[05:15] <XVampireX> Why?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> because then i cant upload it :P
[05:15] <XVampireX> Oh, well, it has some openusability projects now, so I'm quite sure it'll get even better
[05:15] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: indeed.
[05:15] <XVampireX> but I think the application would be pretty useful
[05:15] <Hobbsee> yes, it is :)
[05:16] <XVampireX> Heh
[05:17] <XVampireX> Why I suggested it was because of Tomboy in Gnome
[05:19] <XVampireX> This is something I like about Linux though, you're a part of community which helps each other. In Windows I felt like I was on my own. And with no choice of learning the operating system I use without resorting to administrator courses
[05:21] <XVampireX> I would like to participate in the ubuntu marketing team though, and then gradually get into development as I learn Python (That's something I just gotta do, but I'm lazy, it seems :P)
[05:23] <manchicken> Hobbsee: You know if Riddell was planning on fixing that missing arrow bug in adept that the support indicator icon patch introduced/
[05:23] <Hobbsee> try #ubuntu-marketing
[05:23] <Hobbsee> manchicken: no idea, havent read the logs of here.
[05:24] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I'm hoping he doesn't fix all my bugs.  If I have zarro boogs I'll have nothing to do in 2 weeks.
[05:24] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:24] <Hobbsee> we can find you something, dont worry :)
[05:24] <manchicken> heh
[05:24] <zakame> would you fix bug #82651 quick quick? :P
[05:24] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82651 in adept "File overwrite problem" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82651
[05:25] <manchicken> zakame: Until feature freeze I'm cramming on features.
[05:25] <zakame> haha
[05:25] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I used synaptic for the first time today.  Very neat.
[05:25] <manchicken> Many ideas to be taken from there.
[05:25] <Hobbsee> manchicken: indeed :)
[05:26] <Hobbsee> zakame: finding a main sponsor will be very hard today
[05:27] <manchicken> zakame: I'm not sure which bugs I'll get to.
[05:27] <manchicken> Though I think a beer would do well to accelerate my progress....
[05:27] <manchicken> brb
[05:28] <zakame> Hobbsee: until then, any workaround on it?
[05:29] <manchicken> Hacker... what an appropriately named beer.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> zakame: sudo dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/deb/adept-common.....deb
[05:29] <Hobbsee> with imbrandon not here most of the time due to work, finding a main sponsor on a weekend is a waste of time, normally
[05:30] <XVampireX> I have a huge problem now
[05:30] <praetor> Konqueror crash-happy for anyone?
[05:30] <praetor> whenever I close it, it seems to crash
[05:30] <XVampireX> I just burned a CD, when I go to media:/ in konqueror, I see a Blank CD-R icon
[05:31] <manchicken> XVampireX: You might have more luck in #kubuntu with that.
[05:31] <zakame> Hobbsee: thanks
[05:31] <XVampireX> When I try to double click it, a Question dialog appears
[05:31] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: use /media/
[05:32] <XVampireX> the one in /media/ shows a cdrom0 with an icon as if it has something, but when I double click it, nothing is inside it, also the same with the icon on the desktop (Which is a link to the cdrom0 it seems)
[05:32] <XVampireX> when I go in console to /media/cdrom0 however....
[05:33] <XVampireX> Ah
[05:33] <XVampireX> refresh did the trick... but that was weird
[05:34] <XVampireX> is that a ban on me? :P
[05:34] <Hobbsee> no
[05:35] <Hobbsee> which bug?
[05:36] <XVampireX> the one I just described
[05:36] <XVampireX> icon in media:/ won't open correctly at all, and /media/cdrom0 doesn't mount correctly (needs to refresh for it to detect the CD inside, it seems)
[05:36] <Hobbsee> you dont need to
[05:36] <Hobbsee> it's known.  it'll just be marked as a dupe
[05:37] <Hobbsee> (it's due to sime's patches, which i cant remember if we're removing or not)
[05:37] <XVampireX> This is even weirder
[05:37] <XVampireX> "The device was successfully unmounted, but the tray could not be opened"
[05:37] <praetor> eject /dev/device
[05:38] <XVampireX> is that also a part of the bug?
[05:39] <XVampireX> oh, ok, that was my fault
[05:39] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I think that decision was tabled.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> right
[05:39] <Hobbsee> who's writing the minutes ofr the meeting?
[05:39] <manchicken> Heh, not me.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> hrm
[05:42] <manchicken> I'm terrible at taking notes.
[05:43] <manchicken> In highschool I took a college prep class.  We had a lesson once where we were to take notes on a lecture, and then our notes were graded.
[05:43] <manchicken> I got a 23%.
[05:44] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:44] <Hobbsee> ouch
[05:44] <manchicken> Yeah.  I don't take notes.
[05:44] <manchicken> I got a 98% on the final though.
[05:44] <XVampireX> congrats
[05:44] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[05:45] <manchicken> That was about 8 years ago.
[05:50] <manchicken> SWEET!  I got my branch merge committed to my trunk branch.
[05:52] <manchicken> Now to fire off a trunk build to verify the merge.
[05:53] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:55] <manchicken> These UI files are weird.
[06:29] <makuseru> will KDE4 be in Kubuntu Fiesty Fawn?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> no
[06:29] <makuseru> when will it be out?
[06:30] <Jucato> makuseru: there's no target date
[06:30] <Jucato> for KDE 4
[06:30] <poningru> makuseru: thats not due till like winter
[06:30] <makuseru> wow
[06:30] <makuseru> another year?
[06:30] <Jucato> no
[06:31] <Jucato> most probably (just probably) 2nd half of this year
[06:31] <makuseru> oh ok
[06:31] <makuseru> why so long
[06:31] <Hobbsee> because it's got major changes in it
[06:31] <Jucato> because it is long... it's not like another release
[06:31] <makuseru> oh
[06:31] <makuseru> ok
[06:31] <Jucato> there are big changes in the source code
[06:32] <poningru> makuseru: keep in mind kde is like a complete rewrite
[06:32] <Jucato> but not from scratch
[06:32] <poningru> right
[06:32] <poningru> they threw away bunch of code
[06:32] <makuseru> i didnt know there were going to be major changes
[06:33] <poningru> ha
[06:33] <poningru> like crazy changes
[06:33] <Jucato> makuseru: KDE 3.x uses Qt 3.x. KDE 4 will be using the new Qt 4.x, so they have to "port" (transfer, change) a lot of code over
[06:33] <makuseru> oh ok
[06:33] <poningru> qt 4 is like crazy
[06:33] <poningru> svg++
[06:33] <poningru> like all the games is like crazy awesome
[06:33] <Jucato> makuseru: and more than just porting code, they also have to implement new stuff
[06:34] <poningru> keep in mind all this stuff will have to run on osx, win and linux
[06:34] <makuseru> what?
[06:34] <poningru> yeah dude
[06:34] <makuseru> KDE on OSX and Win?
[06:34] <poningru> kde4 will run everything on windows osx and linux
[06:34] <poningru> yeah dude
[06:34] <Jucato> um..
[06:35] <Jucato> KDE *apps* will be able to  (can) run on OS X and Win
[06:35] <poningru> right
[06:35] <Jucato> but KDE itself as a whole? most probably not
[06:35] <makuseru> *goes with Jucato on that one*
[06:35] <Jucato> also, a large part of it will depend on whether there will be people who will actually port the KDE apps out of *nix
[06:35] <Jucato> some apps already are
[06:36] <makuseru> im looking foreward to Ubunut Studio
[06:36] <makuseru> Ubuntu*
[06:36] <manchicken> As am I.
[06:37] <makuseru> even if its Gnome and not KDE
[06:37] <Jucato> makuseru: I suggest keeping a watch on http://dot.kde.org which currently has articles on "sneak" previews on what is on KDE 4 already, or what we can expect
[06:37] <makuseru> thanks
[06:37] <poningru> keep in mind I am kinda drunk here
[06:37] <poningru> so...
[06:37] <Jucato> nah! IRCing is fun under the influence :P
[06:37] <makuseru> ha
[06:38] <manchicken> Jucato: Where's your offtopic hammer tonight? ;)(
[06:38] <Jucato> manchicken: I have no power here, Gandalf the Grey
[06:38] <makuseru> Jucatos reign is in #kubuntu?
[06:38] <manchicken> Weaksauce ;)
[06:38] <Jucato> open sores :P
[06:39] <Jucato> makuseru: yes :P
[06:39] <makuseru> thought so
[06:39] <manchicken> Jucato: Freeze oft ware
[06:40] <manchicken> Hobbsee: **I KNOW** how I want to implement changelog display!
[06:40] <Hobbsee> manchicken: woo!
[06:40] <manchicken> It's gonna be a tab in the details view
[06:41] <manchicken> "Developer Changelog"
[06:41] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[06:41] <Jucato> nice!
[06:41] <manchicken> Total UI pwnage is mine.
[06:41] <Jucato> it's like how kpackage does it...
[06:41] <manchicken> I installed Synaptic on my work lappy.
[06:42] <Jucato> kpackage?
[06:42] <manchicken> I set up all three buntus in vmware on my work lappy.
[06:42] <manchicken> Don't know about kpackage.
[06:42] <manchicken> And remember, I didn't set out to work on adept, just the wrong place at the wrong time ;)
[06:42] <manchicken> But it is a fun program to work on.
[06:42] <Jucato> of course. but since you're working already :P
[06:43] <manchicken> Research is for sissies.
[06:43] <manchicken> heh
[06:43] <Jucato> lol
[06:43] <Jucato> then that makes me a sissy, and darn proud of it, if that's the case :P
[06:43] <manchicken> heh
[06:44] <Jucato> anyone adept (no pun) at pbuilder around? :(
[06:46] <manchicken> Fun.
[06:46] <Jucato> I mean, how do you check that??
[06:46] <manchicken> I don't use pbuilder, though I hear it's quite useful.
[06:46] <manchicken> Look in /etc/apt/sources.list
[06:46] <Jucato> hm.. my *own* sources.list? nothing wrong in there.. I can update just fine
[06:47] <Jucato> I'm having trouble with edgy pbuilder's sources.list...
[06:47] <manchicken> It would be in the chroot's pbuilder....
[06:47] <manchicken> Are you doing an edgy pbuilder for testing?
[06:47] <Jucato> for future testing and building.. yes
[06:48] <Jucato> I'm planning to package something ASAP for Feisty, then build it for Edgy too...
[06:48] <manchicken> Ah.
[06:48] <manchicken> I just do all my hacking in chroot.
[06:48] <Jucato> oh...
[06:50] <manchicken> Man, superkaramba likes to crash.
[06:50] <Jucato> you're just unlucky... or used the bad themes :)
[06:50] <manchicken> I love it, but it does get old when it crashes.
[06:50] <manchicken> liquidweather.
[06:50] <manchicken> Though I think I'm on an old version.
[06:50] <Jucato> old version of?
[06:50] <Jucato> LW?
[06:51] <manchicken> Yeah, I'm on 14.3
[06:51] <manchicken> Current is 14.4
[06:51] <Jucato> ah
[06:51] <manchicken> Ah, it's 14.5
[06:52] <Jucato> :P
[06:53] <manchicken> I'm surprised that I'm the only person who's tired of web development.
[06:54] <Jucato> one word: buzz
[06:55] <manchicken> The handful of the guys in my GLUG are telling me that web development is the future, and that C++ and C are obsolete languages that're on the decline.
[06:55] <manchicken> heh
[06:56] <Jucato> ha! and I wonder what language was used to create the stuff that their web apps will run on
[06:58] <manchicken> Evidently, Ruby, PHP, and Java will take over the world.
[06:58] <Jucato> ha
[06:59] <manchicken> God help us all.
[06:59] <n8k99_> COBOL COBOL COBOL
[06:59] <n8k99_> sorry, old twitch in my system
[07:01] <Jucato> heh :P
[07:01] <manchicken> COBOL has its place.
[07:01] <manchicken> Like... banking and insurance software.
[07:01] <manchicken> Mainframes.
[07:04] <n8k99_> yes it does - just like C, C++ ,and  C#  all have their places
[07:04] <n8k99_> heck even Lisp has its place
[07:04] <manchicken> Lisp has a good place.
[07:04] <manchicken> Particularly in my text editor.
[07:04] <n8k99_> have you read Paul Graham?
[07:08] <manchicken> Naw.
[07:08] <zakame> back
[07:08] <zakame> now onf feity, hawt! :D
[07:08] <n8k99_> he is a tremendous advocate of lisp
[07:08] <zakame> fiesta feisty fawn, hehe
[07:13] <n8k99_> manchicken would you do me a favor?
[07:13] <manchicken> n8k99_: I suppose I could try
[07:14] <n8k99_> you do understand coding correct?
[07:15] <manchicken> Sometimes... before the 4th or 5th beer.
[07:15] <n8k99_> i just had to write an analysis for a problem in my algorithmns & logic class
[07:15] <manchicken> You're in luck, I'm about to start number 2.
[07:15] <manchicken> You want a review?
[07:15] <n8k99_> was wondering if you could spot check it for me - its all pseudocode
[07:15] <manchicken> Okay.
[07:15] <manchicken> I must warn you first... I'm very picky
[07:16] <manchicken> Very picky.
[07:16] <n8k99_> good.
[07:16] <manchicken> But I'll give you a look if you want.
[07:16] <manchicken> Pastebin it for me and I'll take a peek.
[07:19] <n8k99_> http://eckenrodehouse.net/kubuntu/UnitPrice.txt
[07:20] <manchicken> What language are you mimicking?
[07:21] <n8k99_> i'm not sure really, maybe java?
[07:22] <n8k99_> i think the point was more to solve the problem than to write code
[07:27] <manchicken> Looks okay
[07:27] <manchicken> Perhaps overengineered.
[07:27] <n8k99_> hmm... how so?
[07:28] <manchicken> Your description doesn't look like it would need so many modules.
[07:29] <n8k99_> i couldnt think of how to do multiple products
[07:30] <n8k99_> without a loop of some sort
[07:31] <n8k99_> but thank you for looking at it
[07:31] <manchicken> No problem.  Just try to think simpler.
[07:31] <n8k99_> i'll work on that
[07:31] <n8k99_> lol
[07:31] <manchicken> Cool.
[07:32] <manchicken> The simple solution is often the best one
[07:32] <n8k99_> right
[07:33] <n8k99_> my head likes things nice and complicated - don't know wy
[07:33] <manchicken> heh
[07:33] <manchicken> Sometimes complicated helps get simple.
[07:34] <n8k99_> cause you get to seewhat isunnecessary?
[07:35] <manchicken> Well, because you get to understand what you're really trying to do.
[07:35] <n8k99_> ah
[07:35] <manchicken> I screwed around in adept for a week before I figured out how to work with the qlistviewitem records.
[07:36] <manchicken> Tried several approaches, thought it was going to be complicated.  Once I figured it out, it couldn't have been simpler.
[07:36] <n8k99_> the what?
[07:37] <n8k99_> oops- i just came at that from the otherside!
[07:37] <manchicken> The QListViewItem records.
[07:40] <zakame> hehe
[07:41] <n8k99_> did that have anything to do with the nifty new way adept opens an item to show the descriptions
[07:43] <Jucato> occam's (ockham) razor: the simplest answer is often the correct/best one...
[07:44] <Jucato> rofl
[07:45] <Jucato> hm.. a turkey with a beard... now I've heard everything :
[07:45] <Jucato> :D
[07:45] <n8k99_> what! all hokies have beards!
[07:45] <Jucato> :)
[07:45] <manchicken> I've gotta find a photo of me.
[07:48] <n8k99_> silly question- this class, being part of the Qt toolset, is used all over KDE not just adept
[07:49] <n8k99_> naturally.
[07:50] <n8k99_> but like in Kmail listing the mails within a folder
[07:50] <manchicken> Yes.
[07:51] <Jucato> in Konqueror list view modes, in Keyboard shortcuts dialog box
[07:51] <n8k99_> copy that
[07:51] <manchicken> Qt stuff is all over KDE.
[07:51] <manchicken> Much of KDE's widget library--if not all--is derived directly from Qt.
[07:51] <n8k99_> i was familiar with the the order, Qt --> KDE
[07:51] <Jucato> hm...
[07:51] <Jucato> don't mind me.. hmm'ing about something else...
[07:52] <n8k99_> just looking at it in a closer perspective now
[07:52] <Jucato> ok that is just weird...
[07:52] <Jucato> heh
[07:52] <n8k99_> what's just weird?
[07:53] <Jucato> something with the list views...
[07:53] <Jucato> trying to confirm...
[07:53] <Jucato> ok... there seems to be two types of lists in KDE/Qt... or there's a bug...
[07:54] <zakame> er?
[07:54] <Jucato> simple test... manchicken, n8k99_, can you arrange/sort columns in Adept's list right now?
[07:55] <manchicken> nope
[07:55] <Jucato> I thought so...
[07:55] <Jucato> I remember being able to do that before
[07:55] <manchicken> I didn't break it.  It's not sortable on edgy.
[07:55] <Jucato> I think it's an upstream bug though, since I noticed this when I was running KDE compiled from SVN
[07:55] <Jucato> heh don't worry, it's not just Adept :P
[07:56] <n8k99_> i can
[07:56] <Jucato> n8k99_: edgy?
[07:56] <n8k99_> um, no feisty
[07:56] <Jucato> er.. what KDE version
[07:56] <n8k99_> 356
[07:56] <Jucato> hmm...
[07:57] <n8k99_> and just did today's update
[07:57] <Jucato> n8k99_: you're clicking on the column titles to sort according to status? so that all the installed packages will be listed first, for example?
[07:57] <n8k99_> yes
[07:57] <Jucato> strange.. very strange...
[07:57] <manchicken> I wonder if someone put it in there.
[07:58] <manchicken> I haven't merged in anybody else's changes for some time.
[07:58] <Jucato> how about this: Keyboard Shortcuts: General Shortcuts tab: can't sort list. Application Shortcuts tab, can sort list
[07:58] <n8k99_> oh wait- that's not working for me, but i can arrange teh columns
[07:58] <Jucato> rawr!!
[07:58] <zakame> heh yakuake's in Lost and Found now
[07:59] <Jucato> must be a 3.5.6 bug or something..
[07:59] <zakame> sorted lists not doable in adept now, but I can sort them in ktorrent
[07:59] <Jucato> yes. I can sort in Konqueror, KMail, Akregator...
[07:59] <zakame> probably another bug in adept's ui
[08:00] <Jucato> zakame: nope...
[08:00] <Jucato> try Keyboard shortcuts too
[08:00] <Jucato> System Settings (or KControl) -> Keyboard Shortcuts
[08:00] <Jucato> You can't sort Global Shortcuts tab, but you can the Application Shortcuts
[08:01] <zakame> yeah, reproducible here
[08:01] <Jucato> must be a 3.5.6 bug... or maybe even 3.5.5 that I didn't notice... weird :P
[08:02] <n8k99_> it works in system settings > ntifications
[08:02] <n8k99_> erm notifications
[08:02] <Jucato> I just love timezones :)
[08:03] <n8k99_> Jucato you should read "Eastern Standard Tribe"
[08:04] <Jucato> xplanet? hm...
[08:04] <manchicken> Okay, I've got my ugly mug on my launchpad.
[08:04] <manchicken> w00t.
[08:04] <manchicken> The net is now less stable.
[08:05] <zakame> hopefully not the wrong side of the mug
[08:05] <Jucato> aaaaHh!! my eyes!!!!
[08:05] <Jucato> https://launchpad.net/~manchicken
[08:05] <Jucato> it burnsssss!
[08:06] <manchicken> heh
[08:07] <n8k99_> sdja'e dfgahsd
[08:07] <Jucato> aaah! my eyes!! it burns again!!!
[08:10] <n8k99_> seems young Juan Carlos has neglected his page
[08:10] <Jucato> of course.. I'm not photogenic :P
[08:10] <Jucato> (although there are lots of pics on my site... :P )
[08:10] <n8k99_> oh like i am!
[08:10] <manchicken> Yeah.
[08:10] <manchicken> Come on man.
[08:11] <manchicken> I did it.
[08:11] <Jucato> hah I don't have a pic that's quite current :D
[08:11] <manchicken> Richard did it.
[08:11] <manchicken> That photo I put up is from a couple months ago.
[08:11] <manchicken> From when I met Richard Stallman.
[08:11] <Jucato> or I don't have a pic that's been cropped around the edges
[08:11] <Jucato> and was inspired by his beard?
[08:11] <n8k99_> i shaved and got a haircut after my run in with RMS
[08:12] <manchicken> I cropped my own photo right here.
[08:12] <manchicken> GIMP skills.
[08:12] <Jucato> hm.. can you still change your pic once you've uploaed it?
[08:12] <zakame> yeah, I've changed several times
[08:12] <n8k99_> better than skill of a gimp
[08:13] <manchicken> http://www.flickr.com/photos/diginux/294150147/in/set-72157594369802498/
[08:13] <manchicken> w00t
[08:13] <imbrandon> Riddell, I have 1.4.5 ready to upload but i'm waiting on 2 things, the ipod support needs libgpod 0.4.2 or greater and its uploaded but its in depwait for a python package to be manualy promoted to main. i poked about it and it should get done today, anyhow just FYI i have this done and ready
[08:13] <Jucato> heh hi imbrandon
[08:13] <zakame> yo imbrandon
[08:14] <imbrandon> ello guys
[08:15] <Lure> imbrandon: great - we started to track flagship apps for inclusion here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps
[08:15] <imbrandon> Lure, rockin
[08:15] <imbrandon> kk
[08:16] <Lure> imbrandon: when is the release date for amarok?
[08:17] <imbrandon> tomarrow
[08:17] <zakame> brb... NM
[08:17] <imbrandon> i have it now , packagers get it early
[08:17] <imbrandon> but the "public" release is tomarrow
[08:20] <Lure> imbrandon: ok, updated wiki
[08:21] <imbrandon> cool thanks Lure
[08:34] <Jucato> manchicken: ha! n8k99_ left before he could see it :P
[08:34] <manchicken> What?
[08:34] <Jucato> hackygotchee
[08:35] <manchicken> Ah.
[08:35] <manchicken> It's almost time to backhand the kittens.
[08:35] <Jucato> see. no beard :)
[08:36] <manchicken> Nice.
[08:36] <manchicken> Hacka!
[08:36] <Jucato> hehe
[08:37] <manchicken> Go for it.
[08:39] <zakame> Jucato: needs more razor
[08:40] <Jucato> heh :)
[08:42] <manchicken> beard
[09:25] <manchicken> Okay, I'm going to go to bed before I have to sacrifice something to elisp in order to get this freaking build to work.
[09:25] <manchicken> Nighty night.
[01:16] <mhb> afternoon
[01:16] <Jucato> hi :)
[01:17] <Hobbsee> hey mhb, Jucato
[01:17] <Jucato> hi Hobbsee!
[01:18] <fdoving> hi all.
[01:18] <fdoving> what's needed for musicbrainz tagging to work with amarok?
[01:18] <fdoving> it tells me it doesn't support mp3 or something.
[02:11] <_StefanS_> hi Riddlos
[02:11] <_StefanS_> Reeedelll
[02:11] <Jucato> O.o
[02:11] <Jucato> Riddel has become an operating system..
[02:11] <_StefanS_> ow
[02:11] <_StefanS_> a robot maybe
[02:11] <_StefanS_> he's been up all night probably
[02:11] <Hobbsee> no, he went to bed...
[02:12] <_StefanS_> ow
[02:21] <Jucato> Hobbsee: still up? :P
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Jucato: yeah.  i went to work tonight
[02:23] <Jucato> aw.. (
[02:23] <Jucato> :(
[02:26] <Jucato> wb n8k99_
[02:27] <n8k99_> thanks
[02:27] <Jucato> n8k99_: you left just before I put up my hackygotchi :P
[02:27] <n8k99_> sorry, it was sleeping tim here
[02:27] <n8k99_> time
[02:28] <Jucato> heh it's ok. at least you didn't get to see it lol
[02:28] <Riddell> imbrandon: any plans to do edgy builds of amarok?
[02:28] <n8k99_> yeah- i would have never got to sleep then!
[02:28] <Jucato> you would... but would be having nightmares :P
[02:28] <imbrandon> Riddell, i can, and had planned on it
[02:29] <imbrandon> as i will have to backport libgpod etc too
[02:29] <Riddell> groovy
[02:29] <Riddell> yes
[02:29] <abattoir> Riddell: hi, yes, i had mailed him... was he angry? :P
[02:29] <zakame> evening all
[02:29] <Jucato> evening zakame!
[02:29] <imbrandon> heya zakame
[02:29] <Jucato> finally edgy pbuilder finished :P
[02:30] <zakame> can someone check out my update on wlassistant on revu? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4252
[02:30] <zakame> yo Jucato imbrandon
[02:31] <n8k99_> is there a list of the most recent changes?
[02:32] <n8k99_> for kubuntu?
[02:32] <zakame> hmm is adept broken? Just tried updating teh pkglist with it it crashed :(
[02:33] <Jucato> thought that was fixed in herd 3
[02:33] <zakame> Jucato: specifically, it shows a dialog telling me there's a new version of kubuntu available, and asks me if I should upgrade... once I click `yes' it crashes
[02:34] <Riddell> abattoir: no, of course not :)
[02:34] <n8k99_> it was doing that in herd 2
[02:34] <Jucato> zakame: yep, that bug in herd 2
[02:35] <praetor> zakame: someone must have changed something in the wizard code then
[02:35] <zakame> heh my version is 2.1.2ubuntu10, should update to ubuntu11 (via aptitude :/)
[02:35] <Riddell> zakame: that's unlikely to help
[02:36] <zakame> Riddell: yeah, probably not... I'll just keep in sync though for the moment
[02:36] <Hobbsee> evening Riddell
[02:37] <zakame> other than that, kubuntu feisty is very very well integrated :) at least no serious dist-upgrade breakage
[02:38] <Jucato> btw, are we going to have a sort of upgrade testing in between RC and Final release? you know, get some people to test dist-upgrade (or the new shiny update manager c/o Riddell) before everyone does?
[02:39] <zakame> hmm according to sched upgrade testing should be just after the 8th
[02:39] <mhb> Jucato: yep, we are
[02:39] <abattoir> Jucato: that's generally part of the test procedure(there's a provision for it in the test matrix)
[02:39] <Jucato> !schedule
[02:39] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:39] <Jucato> hm...
[02:40] <zakame> hm yakuake is `lost and found' in the menu
[02:40] <Jucato> ok... I think I'll be available for that
[02:40] <Jucato> why doesn't ubotu link anymore to the Schedule page?
[02:40] <abattoir> !feisty
[02:40] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[02:41] <Jucato> I know, but before it did link to it... iirc
[02:42] <n8k99_> hmm... new packages
[02:46] <Riddell> Jucato: dist upgrade testing to start next week I hope
[02:47] <zakame> ooh, next week!  I was early then :P
[02:48] <Jucato> oooh ok
[03:13] <abattoir> Riddell: he hasn't replied back to me yet, what did he tell you? if i may ask?
[03:14] <Jucato> (no you may not ask...)
[03:18] <abattoir> :)
[03:19] <zakame> wow the shadow knows on hbo...
[03:19] <zakame> oh, ECHAN
[03:20] <Riddell> abattoir: http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs/ubuntu-meeting-2007-02-01.html
[03:21] <Jucato> whoa... why is mine there...
[03:21] <Jucato> my name I mean...
[03:22] <Riddell> because our meeting of wednesday went over midnight
[03:24] <abattoir> Riddell: aah, ok, i mailed him after that, asking if changes could be made to dbfilter/debconf... i thought he might get cross since i was asking this late...
[03:24] <abattoir> but he himself has said " I won't get round to merging oem-config into ubiquity this time round and clone-and-hacking from u6y instead" , so no worries, i guess :)
[03:25] <abattoir> Riddell: i'll wait for his reply, thanks
[03:41] <allee> zakame: wlassistant: you ignore the /etc/network/pre-up|pre-down dirs.  Any special reason?
[03:42] <zakame> allee: actually I was thinking about that, I should put that in as well, but I'm also thinking about the environment vars that most of the scripts installed there use, like $IFACE
[03:45] <allee> zakame: they are used in if-up|down dirs here too
[03:45] <zakame> allee: I should give some more thought about that integration; should I remove that then, and just put in 0.5.6 with the previous ubuntu changes?
[03:46] <zakame> yeah
[03:47] <allee> zakame: unfortunately yes.  I've no idea how the run-partss scripts work when expected  env vars asre missing.
[03:47] <toma> fwiw, the 6.06 live cd works for me *sigh*
[03:47] <allee> hi toma
[03:48] <toma> hi allee
[03:48] <zakame> allee: ok just give me a minute to roll back the patch and upload to revu again :)
[03:49] <allee> zakame: maybe a simpler approach would be to let wlassistant generate an interface file and call ifup -i /path-to-setup-file
[03:49] <zakame> yeah I thought of that too, maybe putting that somewhere in /var/run or /var/cache?
[03:50] <zakame> that'll need to overhaul the WACommands code altogether
[03:51] <allee> zakame: no idea how intrusive such a change would be.  AFAIK wpa_assistant uses a similar way with interface files, check which dir is used there
[03:52] <zakame> ok, I'll check later :)
[03:53] <allee> zakame: fwiw, maybe working if run-parts for knetworkmanager (does it really not exists?) would be more pressing?
[03:53] <allee> zakame: or do you need/depend on static IF seetup for wlan?
[03:53] <zakame> allee: it appears to be working... I saw a run-parts script for networkmanager a while ago, maybe knetworkmanager just rides on top of that, but I'm not sure
[03:54] <zakame> I'll investigate as much as I can to it as well
[03:57] <zakame> brb
[04:16] <praetor> zakame: i merged riddel's adept branch and tested it, works fine for me
[04:16] <praetor> compiled with a custom metafile to test the new version stuff, and it doesnt crash
[04:17] <zakame> praetor: rocking!
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya
[04:18] <Jucato> hi bddebian
[04:18] <bddebian> Heya Jucato and zakame (again) :_)
[04:18] <Jucato> lol
[04:18] <mhb> Riddell: are the adept l10n fixes I submitted present in current Feisty adept?
[04:21] <mhb> doesn't look like it
[04:32] <XVampireX> Heya :)
[04:33] <XVampireX> Does anyone know about kopete 0.12.4? Any new features other than that patch for making it pretty?
[04:33] <Jucato> #kopete ?
[04:52] <gnomefreak> patches make things pretty? i thought those were skins
[04:53] <Jucato> skins = patches that makes things pretty :D
[04:53] <gnomefreak> :)
[04:53] <Jucato> or rather "skins patch = makes things pretty"
[04:55] <gnomefreak> bbs when this is done building
[04:57] <zakame> always keep a buildlog, no matter what :)
[04:58] <Jucato> I just read that as "builddog"
[04:58] <zakame> lol
[05:12] <zakame> bddebian: yo re-added dh_iconcache in yakuake?
[05:45] <mhb> seele: ping
[05:59] <toma> beryl is fun
[06:06] <seele> mhb: pong
[08:00] <manchicken> wordpress is like so much heroin that I just can't stop injecting into my web site...
[08:00] <manchicken> (bad analogy)
[09:35] <jjesse> gotta love blizzards :) :)
[09:36] <jjesse> nixternal: are you snowbound in chicago?
[10:22] <manchicken> It's not snowing now.
[10:22] <manchicken> Windy and considerably cold though (in Chicago)
[10:24] <Tm_T> manchicken: Define cold.
[10:24] <manchicken> -13*F
[10:25] <Tm_T> Hmm, what's that in celsius?
[10:27] <nixternal> -25
[10:27] <Tm_T> Hmm, that's nice. :)
[10:27] <nixternal> it is a tad bit cold here today
[10:28] <Tm_T> http://www.fmi.fi/weather/local.html?kunta=Joensuu
[10:28] <Tm_T> Warm days been here.
[10:28] <nixternal> jjesse lives right up the street from my old home town, so I know the snow they are getting, we are on the phone with my aunt who lives about 45 minutes south of him
[10:29] <manchicken> Nice.
[10:29] <Tm_T> I'm still waiting -35'C days to come.
[10:29] <nixternal> not me
[10:29] <Tm_T> Really makes you feel confortable in home. ;)
[10:30] <Tm_T> m
[10:33] <manchicken> You Europeans and your celsius.  It's just unamerican.
[10:33] <manchicken> ;)
[10:37] <claydoh> heck warm spell here, I had to remove my outer jacket running the snowblower
[10:38] <claydoh> 25F/-4C
[10:38] <manchicken> heh
[10:38] <mhb> manchicken: it's time for you to forget measuring sizes in "club"s and value in "golden nugget"s :o)
[10:38] <claydoh> it was -9F/-23C earlier this week
[10:39] <manchicken> I'd prefer "beer bottles"
[11:55] <_StefanS_> hi there
[11:59] <manchicken> Hello all you happy people.
[12:01] <mhb> hi _StefanS_