[12:26] <BenC> No, the amd64 alt cd was oversized, so I did the i386
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[01:58] <BenC> crimsun: ping
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[02:06] <crazy_rzt> Hi
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[02:08] <crazy_rzt> ip route add default table 222 proto static nexthop via $GW1 dev $IF1 nexthop via $GW2 dev $IF2
[02:08] <crazy_rzt> With this line(and others...) i have Load-Balance and redundancy working 100%.
[02:08] <crazy_rzt> But, i dont need this Load-Balance, only redundancy.
[02:08] <crazy_rzt> what i need to do to not nexthop every pkt? only if a iface goes down?
[02:09] <zul> crazy_rzt: try #ubuntu this isnt a support channel
[02:09] <crazy_rzt> ok sorry
[02:10] <crazy_rzt> thkz for advice
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[06:00] <crimsun> BenC: pong
[06:14] <BenC> crimsun: I have a new laptop that has hda sound, and alsa recognizes it, and acts like it's working, but no sound is coming out
[06:14] <BenC> checked alsamixer and all
[06:14] <BenC> has two codecs
[06:14] <BenC> Codec: SigmaTel ID 7634
[06:15] <BenC> Codec: Motorola Si3054
[06:16] <crimsun> erg, I'll need to backport those fixes
[06:17] <crimsun> BenC: please file a bug and subscribe ubuntu-audio to it, and I'll try to address that this weekend
[06:18] <BenC> crimsun: Thanks
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[12:34] <zul> heh...https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SimpleVirtualization
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[03:26] <BenC> mjg59: ping
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[04:31] <fabbione> BenC: thanks dude
[04:32] <fabbione> http://hera.kernel.org/git/?p=linux/kernel/git/steve/gfs2-2.6-nmw.git;a=summary
[04:32] <fabbione> BenC: i need you to pull from that tree for the next kernel
[04:32] <fabbione> there are important bug fixes for GFS2
[04:32] <fabbione> including a fix for a deadlock that makes it impossible to use
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[04:33] <fabbione> the nmw tree is basically bug fixes for "Next Merge Window"
[04:33] <fabbione> so it's safe to pull
[04:38] <BenC> Ok
[04:39] <BenC> fabbione: Can you email that to me so I can make sure I remember?
[04:39] <fabbione> BenC: sure. i will do that when i am back to the office.
[04:39] <fabbione> the network at the hotel stinks
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[06:08] <BenC> kylem: I got my ia32 architecture manuals, did you get yours?
[06:09] <fabbione> BenC: we have a fix for GFS1
[06:09] <fabbione> for .20
[06:09] <BenC> cool
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[06:10] <fabbione> they commit it yesterday in CVS
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[06:26] <Eruantalon> Is the ivtv driver included by default in the prpposed feisty kernel?
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[06:33] <kylem> BenC, didn't order them yet.
[06:33] <BenC> kylem: Make sure you give them a shipping address and not a postal address :)
[06:33] <BenC> my package got all the way here via DHL before they noticed that it was going to a PO Box
[06:33] <kylem> hehe.
[06:33] <BenC> Eruantalon: Yes
[06:34] <BenC> nice books though
[06:34] <kylem> yeah, when i ordered the itanium manuals a few years back, they came like next day.
[06:34] <Eruantalon> BenC: Can I upgrade to the feisty kernel without upgrading the rest of the system as it is still unstable?
[06:35] <BenC> Eruantalon: You can, but it isn't supported...e.g. it works (I do it), but there may be unforseen problems
[06:36] <Eruantalon> would that be 2.6.20-6.11 then?
[06:36] <BenC> plus, you'll have to upgrade module-init-tools and initramfs-tools to, which means libc6, which means you just grabbed some important feisty parts already
[06:36] <BenC> yes
[06:36] <Eruantalon> BenC: So just doing feisty would be simpler? I just need ivtv...
[06:37] <BenC> not simpler, just that you might as well take the plunge
[06:37] <BenC> feisty isn't totally unstable right now
[06:37] <BenC> I'm running it on my laptop, and haven't had any problems yet
[06:37] <Eruantalon> BenC: Ok. I think i might do it. It's just that i was hoping to make this install a rather stable one( it is for my server that going to run mythtv)
[06:38] <BenC> Eruantalon: I would say a server install is very stable in feisty right now
[06:39] <BenC> most of the instability would be in desktop stuff
[06:39] <Eruantalon> BenC: Ah. But is not just server: also mythtvfrontend and similar stuff. But if it is just applications chrashing now and then that would really be a problem
[06:40] <BenC> there's no crashing
[06:41] <Eruantalon> oops. i meant to write not a problem.
[06:41] <BenC> if you want ivtv, take the jump, else wait for April 20th
[06:41] <Eruantalon> BenC: It is tempting. Btw any difference when running kubuntu?
[06:42] <BenC> these are questions for #ubuntu, I can only tell you that the kernel is stable
[06:43] <Eruantalon> ok. thanks
[06:46] <Eruantalon> A kernel related question. If I am using only kernel, that is no closed source drivers or outside stuff then a freeze of my computer because of an app would be a kernel bug(or hardware) or is it so that apps will always inherently be able to crash even a bugfree kernel?
[06:47] <Eruantalon> Is the platform constructed so that a userspace app will be able to lay down the entire system or is that considered a bug when that happens?
[06:48] <cjb> Eruantalon: Yes, you can make the argument that any crash is a kernel bug.
[06:48] <Eruantalon> cjb: Unless bad hardware or closed drivers... right?
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[06:49] <kylem> wrong.
[06:50] <kylem> it's entirely plausible, and in most cases, very likely, that X will wedge your machine.
[06:51] <cjb> that's because X is a kernel driver ;-)
[06:51] <Eruantalon> cjb: Yes isn't it?
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[08:24] <Eruantalon> BenC: When upgrading to feisty will it be necessary to remove old modules etc. from the old kernel or will they not conflict?
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[08:40] <BenC> Eruantalon: of course we handle that...else upgrades would be pretty busted
[08:40] <Eruantalon> BenC: You guys are good aren't you :-)
[08:41] <Nafallo> ofcourse they are :-)
[08:41] <Nafallo> they are the best. sabdfl hired them...
[08:41] <Eruantalon> just waiting for the cd-image to finish 2h lefts
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[10:38] <mjg59> BenC: Online now - context?
[10:41] <BenC> mjg59: nm, I think
[10:41] <BenC> basically rt2x00 wont compile with dscape
[10:41] <BenC> it has hwmode stuff in it's local dscape that isn't in the wireless-dev one
[10:41] <mjg59> Yeah, I think we had that conversation already :)
[10:41] <mjg59> Eh. Pain.
[10:41] <BenC> so I resorted to disabling rt2x00 and using strictly rt2x00-legacy
[10:41] <kylem> fucking muppets.
[10:41] <mjg59> Ok, I'll look into it
[10:41] <mjg59> I have none of the hardware
[10:42] <mjg59> But if it builds, we're all good
[10:42] <BenC> Neither do I
[10:42] <BenC> it only affects rt61 and rt73
[10:42] <BenC> rt2[45] 00 was already built with -legacy since the CVS stuff doesn't actually work for my rt2500pci
[10:43] <mjg59> Ha
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[11:13] <Eruantalon> Will there be more lirc support in the feisty kernel?
[11:15] <Eruantalon> included by default that is
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