gnomefreakin making a control file the part depends: $(shlibs:depends) i would leave $(shlibs: than list the build depends after that) and what would i put between each depend12:18
gnomefreakis this what it should look like? Depends: ${shlibs:automake1.9 build-essential cvs libpango1.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev libgconf2-dev  libglitz-glx-dev  librsvg2-dev checkinstall libglade2-dev libxcomposite-dev libtool libgtop2-dev}12:19
gesergnomefreak: pick any non-complex package to see how is should look like12:21
gesergnomefreak: you have a line starting with Build-Depends which lists all needed package to build12:21
geserand you have a line Depends for each package stating the runtime depends12:22
gnomefreaknot from what im reading :( someone might want to change the guide than?12:22
geserthe value ${shlibs:depends} gets filled during the build by some debhelper script12:23
geserso you get the current dependency automatically and don't need to do it everytime manually12:24
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gnomefreakok i see where it gets the depends from. the file im scared to death to make 12:27
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crimsunwhat's "this"?12:28
gesergnomefreak: why are you trying to package?12:28
crimsun(and your checkinstall is showing.)12:28
gnomefreakyeah i removed all that checkinstall was a mistake12:28
gnomefreakah i know wher ei can get the files from and just edit them as needed (that might work for the rules file)12:29
crimsunheh, you should try cdbs.12:30
gesergnomefreak: look if there is a package similar to what you want packaged and spy there :)12:31
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gnomefreakim looking for it atm12:31
gnomefreakgood thing its not going into ubuntu repos :)12:32
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FujitsuHi zul.01:54
Hobbseehey Fujitsu!  hey zul!01:56
zulhey Hobbsee how goes the stick?01:57
Hobbseethe stick goes :)01:59
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gnomefreakin the control file section is the repo that the package is in right?02:11
bddebianHeya gang02:11
Hobbseeuh, no.  doesnt say at all, actually02:11
Hobbseegnomefreak: 602:11
Hobbseegnomefreak: ^02:11
gnomefreakit says Section: unknown  should that be changed?02:12
Hobbseegnomefreak: what's the package?02:13
gnomefreakin show it says universe/graphics02:14
Hobbseecheck the debian maintainers guide - it's sections like kde, gnome, etc02:14
Hobbseeah.  02:14
=== Hobbsee shrugs
Hobbseecould be what it's supposed to be02:14
gnomefreakok makes sence02:14
Fujitsugnomefreak: The archive admins add the universe/, so you just need the section.02:16
gnomefreakah ok02:16
Fujitsuuniverse is the component, graphics is the section. You only need the section.02:17
gnomefreakcool :)02:17
bddebianw00t we're under 20 new merges :-)02:20
FujitsuBetter than Edgy, at any rate.02:23
=== Fujitsu reduces the number further.
Fujitsu(although I presume a number of them have sync requests filed)02:23
bddebianNot too many that are left I don't think.  Though I know maildir-bulletin does ;-)02:24
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Fujitsu4 of the new ones need no action, as they were fake syncs due to stuffed Debian versioning.02:26
FujitsuSo we're down to 14 or so.02:26
bddebianxbvl is unbuildable afaict02:27
bddebianUnless we bring back libGLw02:27
FujitsuAFAIK too.02:27
FujitsuWe need a comments field :(02:27
FujitsuWe should have one on our own MoM for Feisty+1, so it's just a short-term problem.02:28
HobbseeFujitsu: our own one?02:30
Hobbseeanyoen interested in updating mplayer, btw?02:30
FujitsuHobbsee, yes, it is planned to have our own.02:30
FujitsuHobbsee, I might take a look, if it's not too horrible.02:30
HobbseeFujitsu: neat :)02:30
HobbseeFujitsu: okay02:30
TheMusoc/me prepares to go indoor rock climbing.02:32
HobbseeTheMuso: nice!!!02:32
zakamemorning all02:32
bddebianHeya zakame02:32
zakameTheMuso: that's rocking02:32
zakameyo bddebian!02:32
TheMusozakame: haha yeah.02:32
HobbseeFujitsu: looking into it now02:38
FujitsuHobbsee, I am too.02:38
FujitsuAny other nice new upstream versions we want?02:40
=== TheMuso heads out. LSR can wait. :)
HobbseeFujitsu: make sure you grab that patch for the vulnerability, too02:40
gnomefreakcrap so close02:43
ademani realize this is off topic but can anyone PM me and help me with the ATI drivers?  #ubuntu is being useless02:43
gnomefreakhow do i get depends inside pbuilder02:44
Hobbseegnomefreak: build whatever you're trying to, it'll fail in configure?02:44
gnomefreakyes missing a lib02:45
ademangnomefreak:  hrm? your debian/control should have Build-Depend: ListOfPackagesNeededToBuild02:45
gnomefreakit does ill check to see if it has libart02:45
ademannote you'll have to dpkg-buildpackage again for those changes to take effect02:47
gnomefreaki running debuild -S again02:47
FujitsuThat'll do too.02:48
gnomefreakthan the pbuilder command02:48
ademanwhat's the difference between dpkg-buildpackage and debuild?02:48
bddebianNot much02:48
ademanany advantages one way or the other?02:49
gnomefreakisnt debuild used only with debhelper?02:49
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ademani know i've used debhelper with dpkg-buildpackage, so i dunno02:49
Hobbseeno, both use debhelper02:49
Hobbseedebuild requires devscripts installed02:49
somerville32Do we usually complete all the merges?02:51
gnomefreakyay its installing them02:52
Fujitsusomerville32, not as far as I know... But we can get very close, and we've got more time now.02:53
somerville32Fujitsu, I guess my real question is, "Are we doing good this release?"02:53
zakamefreeze's on 15th right?02:53
gnomefreaki guess since its still failing on libart i should add libart-2.0-2-dev packages too?02:54
Fujitsuzakame, UVF is the 8th.02:54
Fujitsusomerville32, better than Edgy, I think.02:54
zakameoh, thanks02:54
gnomefreakit doesnt matter how many time i run debuild right?02:55
somerville32gnomefreak, You need to run it to rebuild the source package02:56
gnomefreakbut running it 3 times isnt gonna make 3 sources is it?02:56
somerville32It overwrites it02:56
gnomefreakok cool02:56
Hobbseegnomefreak: yeah, you need the -dev package.  03:04
gnomefreaki took most from build-dep scribus-ng :)03:04
gnomefreakso far so good03:04
gnomefreakim kind of scared of lintian03:05
gnomefreakoh yeah its grabbing alot of packages now. im betting that part is right now03:06
HobbseeFujitsu: fails on --enable-vortis, if you havent already found out03:07
FujitsuI'm still checking-out the bzr branch.03:08
Hobbseebah.  didnt even know there was one.03:08
FujitsuIn the README in the old source package, it says there is.03:08
FujitsuAnd a good thing to.03:08
Fujitsubzr-maintained packages are goooood.03:08
Hobbseehehe :)03:09
Fujitsu(especially when there's a fairly large delta)03:09
FujitsuWhy is bzr so slow!?03:12
zakameI thought you was praising it? :P03:13
FujitsuIt is good, but rather slow.03:13
FujitsuAnd I note that Debian now has a mplayer package.03:13
=== Fujitsu looks.
NafalloFujitsu: because it's not written for speed? :-)03:13
zakameoh, amenucc's03:14
=== Fujitsu looks to see if we can sync/merge to that.
NafalloFujitsu: they have probably thrown out most of the stuff people want...03:15
_jaldharAnyone here going to ubucon?03:15
FujitsuThis is true; I just noticed that it was in main.03:15
somerville32Is debian using python 2.5?03:16
FujitsuSo, stuff Debian in this case.03:16
NafalloFujitsu: better to keep ours and keep it up-to-date I think :-)03:16
FujitsuLooks like it.03:16
NafalloFujitsu: so feel free to package new upstream version ;-)03:16
FujitsuThat's what I'm doing :)03:17
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Fujitsu(once these stupid branches check out)03:17
FujitsuHi minghua.03:17
minghuaHello Fujitsu03:17
Fujitsubddebian, why didn't you request a sync of u++?03:20
bddebianmd5sum mismatch, no?03:21
FujitsuWouldn't that put it on the manual list?03:21
bddebianIt didn't for Istanbul03:21
FujitsuHow strange.03:22
FujitsuDo we want to remove mozilla? Debian did some time ago.03:22
bddebianStill has a lot of rdepends, doesn't it? (Though yes, I think we should remove it) :-)03:23
FujitsuIndeed, it does.03:23
=== Fujitsu checks what Debian did.
FujitsuThey seem to be mostly mozilla | www-browser03:24
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gnomefreaki keep getting a damn 404 error :(03:27
gnomefreakwhat do you do if pbuilder cant grab a depend because of a 404 error from repo?03:28
Fujitsupbuilder update03:31
zakamedoes cowbuilder work now in feisty? I can't seem to even --create it03:32
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zakameyeah, from cowdancer03:42
zakamealternate to pbuilder, avoids extracting base.tgzs...03:43
zakameI tried creating a base-cow now but it borks saying cowbuilder can't be found in the chroot's repositories check03:44
Fujitsuzakame: How does it do it without extracting them? Just cleans the directory up?03:48
zakameFujitsu: yeah iirc, its copy-on-write03:53
FujitsuSounds similar to LVM snapshots.03:54
FujitsuHm, I should probably do a license audit on the delta... But it's biiig.03:56
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gnomefreaklibarts is starting to work on my nerves :(03:57
DarkMageZgnomefreak, luckily kde4 is getting rid of arts03:58
gnomefreakDarkMageZ: than the upstream needs to get rid of it as a depends03:58
gnomefreaki think i know what happened but will find out03:58
gnomefreaklast time i running this tonight 04:05
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gnomefreakis there an easy fast way to fix this error? checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!04:53
gnomefreaki woul dlove to finish this before deb04:53
FujitsuNafallo, around?04:53
FujitsuAh, I see not.04:53
NafalloFujitsu: pong @ 4:53 ;-)04:54
FujitsuYou seem to be the master of recent mplayer uploads.04:55
FujitsuWhat's the process for a new upstream? Put it in upstream-ubuntu first, then merge to ubuntu, then resolve conflicts... Then what?04:55
Nafallooh. no idea. I haven't really tried that :-)04:56
Nafallolocally I do for example gajim/bzr/{tarball,ubuntu}04:56
FujitsuBut you did the last mplahyer new upstream, didn't you?04:57
Nafalloand then bzr import tarballs to tarball and commit and then merge with ubuntu :-)04:57
Nafallohmm. no idea. I did the repacking upstream wanted :-)04:57
NafalloI don't think I upgraded it04:58
Nafalloages ago anyway :-P04:58
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sistpotygn8 everyone05:00
Nafallosiretart: night :-)05:01
bddebianGnight sistpoty05:01
ajmitchnight sistpoty :)05:01
NafalloI must have reminded him about the time :-P05:01
bddebianSick bastards :-)05:02
NafalloI have a LugRadio-marathon ffs :-P05:03
Nafallohave taken me two-three days now :-)05:03
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NafalloI'm on s3e3 :-)05:03
ajmitchaway from computers05:03
Fujitsuajmitch, impossible!05:03
ajmitchbut true!05:03
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FujitsuWow, my mplayer source package actually built from bzr. I'm impressed.05:04
ajmitchI worry that you sound surprised05:05
FujitsuIt's mplayer, the upstream needed to be modified a lot, and it's in bzr.05:05
FujitsuNone of which increase my confidence.05:05
Nafalloshall I look at it for you?05:06
FujitsuNot yet, I think I know what I'm doing now.05:07
Nafallohehe :-)05:07
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bddebianGnight Nafallo05:29
ScottKActually all I had to do was complain and then it wasn't so hard ...05:33
bddebianHeya LaserJock05:34
LaserJockhi bddebian 05:34
LaserJockbddebian: how are things?05:36
bddebianGoing man thanks.  You?05:37
LaserJockjust got back from a conference05:38
bddebianA Laser Conference? :-)05:39
ajmitchhello LaserJock 05:42
LaserJockbddebian: yes05:42
LaserJockbddebian: kinda05:42
LaserJockhi ajmitch 05:42
LaserJockuggg, lots of FTBFS05:43
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ajmitchLaserJock: might as well get working on them then05:45
LaserJockwell, ever time I got to these conferences I realize how much I need to focus on research05:47
bddebianI'll try to hit some when I think I can't get through any more merges which is getting VERY close :-)05:47
FujitsuLaserJock: Note that about 1/3 of them are false, due to schroot issues.05:50
LaserJockFujitsu: yeah, it's hard to work with that many false positives05:58
FujitsuYou can eliminate them by looking for larger logs.05:59
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LaserJockwell, I'm going to bed06:13
LaserJockcya all tomorrow06:13
FujitsuGoodnight, Laser_away.06:14
bddebianGnight Laser_away06:16
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joejaxxanyone awake?07:45
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FujitsuGo to bed, imbrandon!09:46
Fujitsu(or did you just wake up?)09:47
imbrandoni just got to work09:47
imbrandonno sleeep for me09:47
imbrandonwell got to work 3 hours ago09:47
imbrandonbut just now logging in etc09:47
imbrandonwasup Fujitsu ?09:48
imbrandonmaybe i'll blog tonight , i havent done that in a while09:48
FujitsuWell, I've just finished yet another compilation of mplayer 1.0rc1, and it seems to be working this time.09:48
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imbrandonhrm i wish there was an archive admin awake09:51
imbrandonto push a manual main promotion09:51
FujitsuThere are 6 now, you know?09:51
FujitsuSurely one of them is up...09:52
imbrandon6 now ? wow09:52
Fujitsuseb128 and Mithrandir.09:52
FujitsuAlthough I'm not sure if seb128 has the requisite accounts yet.09:53
ajmitchhey imbrandon 09:54
imbrandonheya ajmitch 09:54
FujitsuEvening, ajmitch.09:54
ajmitchall the active archive admins seem to be in the same timezone now09:55
imbrandonwow haha09:55
imbrandonwhat timezone?09:55
Fujitsuajmitch, other than infinity, I presume.09:55
ajmitchFujitsu: I said active09:55
ajmitchhave you seen him round at all this year?09:55
FujitsuHe was away for a while.09:56
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Fujitsu(ie. on holidays)09:56
ajmitchimbrandon: UTC+1 or +2, I think09:56
Fujitsuseb128 is somewhere else as well, isn't he?09:56
ajmitchactually no, UTC & UTC+109:56
ajmitchseb128 is in paris09:56
ajmitchso they're all in the UK or europe09:56
FujitsuOh, and we've got pitti.09:56
imbrandonpitti is german09:56
FujitsuSo, Germany, France, UK. All rather similar :-/09:57
imbrandonyup, all in EU09:57
ajmitchand infinity was never really in any 1 .au timezone09:57
ajmitchhe kept odd hours09:58
imbrandonkinda like me ;)09:58
FujitsuHrm, so an archive admin is actually up. Impossible.09:59
ajmitchhardly impossible09:59
ajmitchtollef is one of the married ones now :)09:59
FujitsuThis is true.09:59
ajmitch21:59 < imbrandon> Mithrandir, pweeease and thank you :)10:01
ajmitchnow I need a new f-spot10:03
Fujitsuimbrandon, seems you were lucky and it got depwaited... Quite a lot seem to not, these days.10:03
ajmitchimbrandon: need this for amarok?10:04
Fujitsuajmitch: What's this new F-Spot?10:04
ajmitchFujitsu: 0.3.310:04
imbrandonajmitch, yes10:04
ajmitch0.3.2 has a few bugs that are annoying10:04
FujitsuI noticed.10:04
imbrandonactualy i needed that for libgpod 0.4.2 witch inturn i need for amarok10:04
ajmitchI've been promised a new release before UVF10:04
FujitsuI've noticed it vanishes without a trace a little more than I'd expect.10:05
imbrandonajmitch, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps10:05
ajmitch0.3.3 is mainly just bugfixes10:05
ajmitchI like having a friendly upstream10:05
ajmitchwho will adjust their releases to match ubuntu10:05
FujitsuA friendly upstream? Does such a thing exist?10:05
FujitsuThat does sound ideal, ajmitch.10:06
imbrandonFujitsu, hehe yea konversation and amarok both talor to ubuntu releases10:06
ajmitchI've stayed with the main developer of another package I maintain, in melbourne10:06
imbrandonwell mostly10:06
ajmitchas well as being good friends with some others10:06
FujitsuI've met a total of.... Zero FOSS developers in real life.10:07
ajmitchFujitsu: that's hard to believe still10:07
FujitsuNo Ubuntuers or DDs either :-/10:08
ajmitchI thought you'd had at least 1 debian-melb meetup?10:08
FujitsuNothing ever came of the one I could have attended, and I was at school for the other.10:08
ajmitcheven I've met more DDs in melbourne than you have :)10:08
ajmitchso next time I'm over I'll have to meetup10:08
imbrandonwe need more people in KC to be ubuntu/DD people10:08
imbrandonchi seems to have alot and KC is bigger10:09
ajmitchsince I'll probably end up staying with my friend in ringwood10:09
imbrandonkansas city10:09
ajmitchimbrandon: yeah, it sucks only have 5 (or is it 6?) DDs in this town10:09
Fujitsuajmitch, what is the population of said place?10:09
imbrandonajmitch, we have 0 and i'm the only ubuntu guy afaik10:09
ajmitch120K peopl10:09
FujitsuNot at all bad.10:09
imbrandonin a town of 2+ mil ( counting suburbs )10:10
ajmitchimbrandon: that's bad10:10
ajmitchI'm the only ubuntu dev currently10:10
FujitsuWe've got 3 (or perhaps 3.5) million people, quite a number of DDs, and one Ubuntu dev.10:10
imbrandonhell our lug only has 20 or so peeps that show up regularly, we have more people at work that use linux than come to lug meetings10:10
Fujitsu(plus infinity, but... he sort of counts)10:11
imbrandoni need to check on the KC population , thats was purely an semi-educated guess10:11
ajmitchah, classic australian music on last.fm10:11
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ajmitchoh well10:12
imbrandonahh looks like 2.7 million in the actual city limits + more in the suburbs10:12
imbrandonso i was a tad off10:13
imbrandonprobably closer to 3.5 all togather then10:13
ajmitchnot a small city then10:13
imbrandonnope not small, just suprisingly no DD's here afaik10:14
ajmitchcompared to dunedin, yeah10:14
imbrandonwow someone bit my computer area meme kinda late on planet10:15
ajmitchI don't think I want to follow that meme :)10:20
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ajmitchbut I cheat since 1 monitor is hooked up to a dead box10:22
imbrandoni have 2 monitors in my main work area10:23
imbrandonone isnt hooked up atm10:23
imbrandon( the crt )10:23
imbrandonand my lappy off to the side but its not in the pic10:23
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ajmitchyeah, but I like my 3200x1200 desktop :)10:26
imbrandonsomeday i'll get another 22'' and run dual head10:27
imbrandonwont be for a few more months though10:27
imbrandonunless i get a raise10:27
siretart3200x1200 is neat10:27
ajmitchhey siretart 10:28
siretartat work, we have 1920x1200 desktops, I think10:28
siretarthuhu ajmitch 10:28
imbrandonheya siretart 10:28
siretarthuhu imbrandon 10:28
imbrandonyea i run 4x 1600x1200 at work10:28
imbrandon( 4 x 17in lcd )10:28
ajmitchyeah I hate you now10:30
ajmitchbut that's ok10:30
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imbrandonheh , lemme find some batteries and i'll take some pics of the DC10:31
imbrandoni've been meaning to anyhow10:31
imbrandoni have a cheap camera here but its dead10:32
ajmitchyou at work now?10:32
imbrandonfor 5 or so more hours10:33
imbrandonits a slow night10:33
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imbrandonajmitch, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/gsi/10:43
imbrandoncrappy pics but the camera here sucks10:44
imbrandonworse than mine at home hehe10:44
imbrandonbut give you a rough idea of the DC10:45
Fujitsuimbrandon: I want one. :P10:48
siretartquad head?10:49
imbrandonsiretart, two dual head nvida cards10:49
imbrandonFujitsu, one what ?10:49
FujitsuThat setup.10:49
imbrandonheh thats my work setup, i actualy like my home setup better for useability10:50
imbrandonhonestly two widescreens > 4 smaller ones10:51
siretartimbrandon: what/where are you working?10:51
imbrandonsiretart, i work at one of the largest colo / managed hosting facilities in the US10:51
imbrandonthus i get the rackspace and bandwidth for free for my buildfarm ( from yesterdays convo )10:52
imbrandonas an employyee perk10:52
imbrandonhttp://www.gsihosting.com/clients/  <-- some of our customers10:53
imbrandonsiretart, ^^10:53
siretartimpressive :)10:54
ajmitchimbrandon: interesting setup10:54
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imbrandoni'd take better pics of the actual racks but some have company logo's that we arent allowed via PCI to disclose etc10:55
imbrandonand i'd get my arse chewed/fired10:56
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FujitsuWhat do you actually do?10:56
imbrandonFujitsu, sysadmin for ubuntu/centos/solaris boxen10:57
imbrandonfor some of our managed clients and our company internal servers10:57
FujitsuOther than the CentOS, that sounds good.10:57
imbrandonyea the cent boxes will eventualy get phased out, but with over 1k in production it takes a while10:58
FujitsuHow many boxen do you have in total?10:58
imbrandonbetween the two DC's and the offsite backup facility about 5 to 6 k10:58
ajmitcha small number10:59
imbrandonyea really not that many considering the stuff we do10:59
imbrandonmore and more they are getting virtualized10:59
imbrandonwe have a few esx servers now10:59
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imbrandonhum, got quiet11:41
imbrandonapt-cache search wildfire11:46
ajmitchapt-cache search life11:46
imbrandonare there any jabber servers in the repos ?11:46
ajmitchdarn, can't install one11:46
ajmitchsure there are11:47
imbrandonwildfire dosent seem to be11:47
imbrandonlol @ life11:47
ajmitchjabberd2, ejabberd11:47
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imbrandonlike ubuntu-roxorz.tld or i-heart-ubuntu.tld11:48
imbrandonor some such , just for fun11:48
Fujitsuejabberd works well, I use it on ubuntu.org.au.11:48
imbrandonhrm do jabber servers automaticly talk to one another ? or would i have to "peer" with like jabber.org or something ?11:51
imbrandone.g. if i set this up @whateverichoose.blah can still talk to other jabber service users like gmail and jabber.org{,.au} etc ?11:52
Fujitsu(unless you disable it manually)11:53
imbrandonhum could even through some kinda free webmail too i guess11:53
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imbrandonany sugestions ona  catchy ubuntuish domain for free jabber/webmail for general users?11:54
Fujitsuubuntu.net! Almost definitely taken, though.11:54
imbrandonmaybe i should make a contest for the best name and give that person a bigger disk quota and pop3 access 11:54
imbrandonor something11:54
ajmitchor whatever misspellings you can manage11:55
imbrandonumail.com ( like gmail ) , nah toooooo lame11:59
imbrandonand not everyone would catch it i dont think11:59
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imbrandonhum ok if i do run a "contest" for a domain name , any sugestions on collecting the data ? i hate to have it all jumbled in say comments to a blogpost12:12
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imbrandonlater ajmitch 12:19
ajmitchyeah, that may put a few people off12:21
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imbrandonhehe SLEEP !!12:21
zulthis channel is logged isnt it ;)12:21
imbrandonafaik all *ubuntu* are12:21
imbrandonatleaste most12:21
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cbx33nn ajmitch 12:27
imbrandonheya cbx33 12:29
cbx33hi imbrandon 12:29
cbx33howz it going?12:29
imbrandongood good 12:29
cbx33busy busy I take it?12:29
imbrandonfinished stage one of the motu farm12:29
imbrandonyea lately really busy12:29
imbrandonand thinking about a new project heheh12:30
imbrandonas seen above12:30
cbx33I only saw it from thinking of a contest for a doamin name ;)12:31
imbrandon04:54 < imbrandon> any sugestions ona  catchy ubuntuish domain for free jabber/webmail for general users?               12:31
cbx33ahhh nice12:31
zulmeh...fsf sucks..12:32
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cbx33yeh....I clearly havn't woken up yet12:32
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cbx33imbrandon, you're a KDE dude12:33
cbx33how hard is it to start deving gui apps for the kde environment12:34
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imbrandonheya hoora_214 12:34
imbrandonerr Hobbsee 12:34
imbrandondamn tab button12:34
imbrandoncbx33, quite easy if you go the pyqt route, basic apps in less than a day12:34
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cbx33hi Hobbsee 12:35
Hobbseehey cbx33 :)12:35
imbrandons/pyqt/pykde also12:35
cbx33imbrandon, see I've been working on TCM recently12:35
cbx33and we split it into front end backend12:35
cbx33so that we could develop a KDE front end12:35
cbx33at the moment no one has stepped forward12:35
cbx33so I'm thinking I may do it12:35
cbx33obviously not this release12:36
gnomefreakwhat do i doo with this error? its during pbuiilder build. checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!12:36
imbrandonright on, thats what ubiguity etc does, pygtk / py{qt,kde}12:36
cbx33I'd not have time but maybe next - is it clode to pygtk?12:36
cbx33same method of working?12:36
cbx33signal handlers etc?12:36
imbrandonjust no .glade's, use qtdesigner to make .ui's then pyuic to convert them to .py and off you go12:37
imbrandonor import kde and the .ui directly and no pyuic needed12:37
imbrandondepends on how you like to work12:37
cbx33well i use glade quite a lot12:38
cbx33but also do a lot of it by hand12:38
StevenKimbrandon: Is the ppc build.i.c up?12:38
cbx33like signal connecting that kinda thing12:38
imbrandonif you use glade to do your pygtk apps , qt designer and pyqt/pykde will be right at home to you12:38
cbx33what's the diff with pykde and pyqt?12:38
imbrandonStevenK, not yet, i have to reload it, i fubard it last night12:38
StevenKimbrandon: Bozo! :-P12:39
imbrandoncbx33, pyqt is pure qt and pykde has the kde extensions12:39
imbrandonsee this is where gnome people get confused12:39
imbrandonok think about it like this , gtk != gnome 12:39
cbx33we gnomeians are simple folk12:39
imbrandonqt != kde12:39
imbrandonqt is just the widgets , kde is the widgest plus more kde specific widgets ( like html widgets etc ) that are qt overrides and plus some other nongui libs12:40
imbrandonkinda like the relationship between gtk and gnomelibs12:41
StevenKimbrandon: Re-read that "qt is just..." sentence and cringe...12:41
imbrandonwhereas gtk != gnome but gnome == gtk+++12:41
imbrandonStevenK, hehe, its hard to explain, but i think he see's what i'm getting aty12:42
Hobbseeimbrandon: or glade and gtk?12:42
Hobbseeimbrandon: where's amarok, btw?12:42
imbrandonnah, glade is qt designer of gtk12:42
imbrandonHobbsee, sitting on my hdd , i had to wait till mith pushed libgpod 0.4.212:43
imbrandonit will get uploaded this morning12:43
imbrandonplus i couldent upload it before the 4th tech anyhow since thats when they will release it "publicly"12:43
imbrandonbut its built and ready to go12:43
imbrandonerr 12:44
Hobbseeimbrandon: did it push correctly?12:44
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imbrandondid what push correc5tly?12:44
imbrandonyea about an hour ago it did12:44
imbrandonits built now as of 5am my time12:44
imbrandonthus i'll upload amarok 1.4.5 here in a few ( but i cant backport it or announce it for 18+ hours because amarok team hasent officialy released it yet )12:45
imbrandonand they tend to get mad when that happens12:45
cbx33i get it imbrandon 12:45
Hobbseeyeah, but you can give us prerelease debs for testing.12:46
Hobbseeimbrandon: you fixed teh bugs assigned to me, presumably?12:46
imbrandonthey are in the results dir on build.imbrandon.com12:46
imbrandonHobbsee, most of them, i'll get the rest before i upload12:46
Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:~$ ssh imbrandon12:46
Hobbseessh: connect to host build.imbrandon.com port 5022: Connection refused12:46
imbrandonnot 502212:47
imbrandonjust 2212:47
imbrandonits a brand new box12:47
imbrandonnew rules , accounts from LP etc etc etc12:47
imbrandoni need to write up some docs about it12:47
Hobbseeimbrandon: nice of you to actually...you know...tell the people who have shells on it :)12:47
imbrandonmaybe i'll do that today and email them to -devel12:47
Hobbseeimbrandon: somerville's been wanting to know waht's happening12:48
StevenKLike sysadmins notify people.12:48
imbrandonyea all of ubuntu{,-core}-dev has accounts12:48
imbrandonand somerville isnt a motu yet12:48
imbrandonso no account for him , got to limit it somehow12:48
Hobbseeahh, i thought that you said you had given him an account.  or that was his belief, anyway12:49
imbrandoni did on the old old old voyager box12:49
imbrandonnot since i made the "farm"12:49
imbrandonthis one automaticly gets the ssh keys from LP for those groups and makes acounts based on your LP name12:50
imbrandonand imports new keys every few hours12:50
imbrandonso less "admin" for me12:50
Hobbseeimbrandon: precisely *which* results dir?  the one i was expecting has nothing12:50
imbrandon /storage/pbuilders/feisty/results12:51
imbrandonif its not there i need to make a new run of it12:51
Hobbseehobbsee@aurora:/storage/pbuilders/feisty/result$ ls -la12:51
imbrandoni need to make a new run of it anyhow12:51
Hobbseetotal 012:51
Hobbseedrwxrwxr-t 2 imbrandon imbrandon  48 2007-02-02 08:31 .12:51
Hobbseedrwxr-xr-x 6 imbrandon imbrandon 208 2007-02-02 07:20 ..12:51
Hobbseeseems os12:51
imbrandoni'll make a rebuild here in a few minutes then12:51
Hobbseegrab the bugs assigned to me when you do :)12:51
imbrandoni will12:51
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gnomefreakthese are the last lines of sudo pbuilder-feisty build ../*.dsc.  http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/338389  is there something im missing?12:52
ubotuWhen a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   xorg-dev12:52
imbrandonlooks like its missing a build-dep gnomefreak 12:52
Hobbseegnomefreak: ^12:52
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Hobbseegnomefreak: but see teh description of it first12:53
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gnomefreakok ill try it again. ive been missing depends all over the place so ive been adding them one by one and the errors go away :)12:54
Hobbseeyep :)12:55
imbrandonHobbsee, new test build started so you can play with it, but not all the fixes are in there yet01:05
imbrandoni'll let you know when its done01:05
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Hobbseeimbrandon: cool, okay01:05
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gnomefreakin the build depends do i libart2 and libart2-dev or can i just go with all -dev packages and forget the non -dev ones?01:18
gnomefreaklibart2 was example i already fixed the libart depedns01:20
StevenKYou should just be able to get away with the -dev packages, since they mostly all depend on the library packages anyway01:21
gnomefreakok cool if it fails to build this time i wil replace all reg. packages and just use the -dev ones (does this go with libc6 also?01:21
StevenKYou do not need to Build-Depend on libc6-dev01:22
StevenKIf it's in build-essential, don't add it to Build-Depends01:22
gnomefreakk :)01:22
Fujitsusiretart, around?01:31
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imbrandonwow the FSF gonna screw Novell ?01:42
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phanaticimbrandon: i hope they won't. that would be stupid01:46
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phanaticgnomefreak: have a look at /.01:52
imbrandonfree software foundation , e.g. the copyright holder to all GNU software01:52
imbrandongnomefreak, ^^01:52
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imbrandonphanatic, actualy i think it would be fantastic, make a deal with the devil and lay in your own bed after its made01:53
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=== gnomefreak think this is bad: error: cannot find input file: scribus/doc/Makefile.in
imbrandongnomefreak, screwed again ? your still being screwed every day that goes by that they havent abolished the deal with MS01:54
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gnomefreakshould i try updating pbuilder to fix the makefile.in error above02:11
gnomefreaklmao @ that link02:13
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gnomefreakok found a makefile.in in the Cmake dir. can i just mkdir /path/scribus/doc and copy the makefile.in to the new doc folder?02:21
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gnomefreakthe common mistake page doesnt even list this issue. but i think im gonna eat breakfast than figure the makefile issue out02:29
zakameevening all02:29
zakamecan someone check out my update on wlassistant on revu? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=425202:30
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cbx33hi does anyone know the bug number of the bug which causes the d-i to crash when scanning for cd rom02:41
cbx33I know I have to turn off an option on the kernel line02:41
cbx33but I can't remember what it is02:41
cbx33something/pcmcia=false i think02:42
cbx33anyone shed any light?02:42
phanaticcbx33: it's mentioned in the herd3 announcement02:42
cbx33ahh thanks phanatic 02:42
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zakamehi allee02:43
alleezakame: hi, news from wlassistant? :)02:43
zakameI've prepared the new wlassistant, its on revu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=425202:43
alleezakame: cool!! I'll have a look02:44
zakamethanks :) not much has changed, although I've to edit the interfaces diff a bit02:46
zakamealso I've still to check if my run-parts integration is correct, although it seems fine when I tested it02:46
alleezakame: I've to find a AP without WPA before I can test02:48
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gnomefreakpbuilder creates makefiles.* but doesnt create makefile.in. is there something that I and doing wrong or is this pbuilder. here is the error i get: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/33850703:34
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zakamegnomefreak: did you try rebuilding the autotools stuff?03:35
gnomefreaki just ran update for pbuilder and trying it again but startange feeling updating pbuilder isnt gonna help03:35
gnomefreakzakame: no how do i go about that?03:35
zakamegnomefreak: no, I mean did you update the package-to-be-built's autotools stuff (touching configure.in, Makefile.am, etc) before trying to build?03:37
gnomefreaki was building this for the most part from the packaging guide and it didnt say anything about that03:39
zakamecan you paste a full buildlog, I mean the stuff right before your previous paste?03:41
gnomefreakyeah it should be done soon the other one is lost a little further up from where i gave you03:42
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gnomefreakzakame: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/338519 if i need to go higher up let me know i just changes the scrollback and wont let me go much further without restarting term03:46
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zakamegnomefreak: the trick is in `pbuilder ... 2>&1 | tee ../buildlog` ;)03:47
zakameand pasting ../buildlog03:47
gnomefreakim gonna have to rebuild this i think im looking at it and there is a typo on one of the file names that i fixed and pbuilder doesnt loo like it changed with my change03:47
gnomefreak./scribbus-ng-debhelper should only have 1 b in scribus03:48
gnomefreakunless you see something else03:50
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gnomefreakthats exactly what it is 03:52
gnomefreakill rebuild it from scratch and see what happens thank you03:52
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bddebianHeya gang04:17
zakameyo bddebian!04:17
bddebianHi zakame04:18
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imbrandonheya bddebian 04:31
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bddebianHi imbrandon04:32
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gnomefreakdamn typo caused issues for 18 hours *slaps self hard*04:50
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zakamegnomefreak: awww04:56
gnomefreakin about an hour we will find out if it fails again.04:57
zakametakes that long to build?04:57
gnomefreakzakame: i cleared pbuilder and ther eare alot of depends04:57
gnomefreakthere are 04:57
cbx33what was the typo in gnomefreak ?04:58
gnomefreak118 of them04:58
cbx33dang it04:59
gnomefreakcbx33: scribbus instead of scribus one of the commands i ran (thinking dh_make) put that typo in control and changelog04:59
gnomefreakif i can find a way to shortent he depends i will think about it05:00
gnomefreakit may have been when i renamed the file to -debhelper but its all fixed now for the time being05:01
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gnomefreaksuch pretty colors when there are no errors :)05:23
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cbx33gnomefreak, pretty colours?05:53
cbx33can someone help me out with mychroot?  I't not able to access the internet at all05:54
gnomefreakyeah pink green blue05:54
cbx33pretty colours for what?05:54
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gnomefreakwhile its building (maybe plugins)05:54
cbx33oooh....you got me interested now ;)05:55
gnomefreakyou mean this isnt normal?05:55
cbx33i have proc mounted in the fstab05:55
cbx33but my chroot still isn't accessing the internet05:55
cbx33any ideas05:55
cbx33gnomefreak, I've never seen it05:55
cbx33think i got it05:56
gnomefreakdoesnt seem so colorful the second time around :(05:57
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cbx33i wanna see05:57
ScottKcbx33: I haven't had to change mounts when I did a chroot.05:57
cbx33it was my resolv.conf05:57
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gnomefreaki forgot to log the build the first time so im doing it again so we will see if it gets pretty05:58
ScottKSo you have it working now?05:58
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gnomefreakScottK: i dont know perl either05:59
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cbx33gnomefreak, i'm curoius how are you/where are you building05:59
gnomefreakin pbuilder05:59
cbx33i don't get pretty colours06:00
gnomefreakwonders if i have a term log06:00
cbx33I don;t get pretty colours06:01
cbx33must be a shell thing06:01
cbx33i pbuild all the time06:01
gnomefreakit might be06:01
gnomefreakthis time no colors06:03
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cbx33are you pbuilding in feisty#?06:04
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gnomefreakcbx33: yes06:04
cbx33maybe fesity pbuilder has colours06:04
gnomefreaknext one i build we will find out. this one i hoping is for the most part done06:05
imbrandoni build in feisty and have no colours :(06:10
imbrandonanyhow bbiab06:10
cbx33gnomefreak, where did you get these pretty colours from06:13
cbx33we must fid out06:13
gnomefreakno sure06:13
gnomefreakmaybe terminal settings06:13
cbx33it is my lifes mission06:13
cbx33u use standard06:13
gnomefreaki dont think so06:13
cbx33oh what you use?06:13
gnomefreakill post the conf06:13
cbx33just realluy interested06:14
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phanatichey coNP 06:14
coNPhey phanatic & all!06:15
gnomefreakcbx33: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/33870106:16
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cbx33though I can't see anything relating directly to pbuilder there06:18
gnomefreaknope 06:18
cbx33was it pbuider or make output ?06:19
gnomefreakit was pbuilder-feisty <command>06:20
cbx33is pbuilder-fesity an alias?06:21
Nafallono, it's a small script06:21
gnomefreakits Laser's script iirc06:22
gnomefreaksomeone care to tell me if this is bad? http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/33870506:22
gnomefreakthose are ok?06:22
Nafalloit's included in pbuilder06:22
Nafallo/usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/ or so06:23
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imbrandongnomefreak, in other words delete debian/*.{ex,EX}06:42
imbrandonand fix your X build deps06:42
gnomefreakoh i can cool :)06:42
gnomefreakx build deps?06:42
imbrandonE: scribus-ng-debhelper source: build-depends-on-obsolete-package build-depends: xlibs-dev06:42
imbrandonN:   The package build-depends on a package that has been superseded.06:43
gnomefreakah ok i can work that out06:43
imbrandonE: scribus-ng-debhelper source: build-depends-on-x-metapackage build-depends: xorg-dev06:43
imbrandonN:   Packages must not build-depend on X Window System metapackages.06:43
imbrandonN:   06:43
Nafalloimbrandon: pastebin next time. oki?06:43
imbrandonN:   The metapackages xorg, xorg-dev, x-window-system, x-window-system-dev,06:43
imbrandonN:   and x-window-system-core exist only for the benefit of users and06:43
imbrandonN:   should not be used in package build dependencies.06:43
imbrandonbut yea , that ^^06:44
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gnomefreakwill look into it today ty :)06:44
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gnomefreakwell i dont see any depends errors :) its building so we shall see07:17
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gnomefreaknow i only have one warning. if someone gets time how do i fix this or does it need to be fixed at all? http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/33881107:38
ScottKWould you pastebind debian/changelog?07:39
ScottKgnomefreak: ^^^07:40
gnomefreakScottK: thats the changlog :(07:45
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gnomefreaki didnt know if i should add ubuntu's changelog to it07:46
gnomefreakoops that should be sat07:46
gnomefreakbut i doubt that s the issue07:46
crimsunyou're probably missing the orig.tar.gz07:46
crimsunwhere's the upstream tarball?07:47
gesergnomefreak: what's the filename for the orig.tar.gz?07:47
gnomefreakah let me see07:47
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gnomefreakits in the folder i made for building this and its called scribus-ng_1.3.3.7.dfsg.orig.tar.gz07:48
gnomefreakfolder i made so i didnt clutter up ~/07:48
crimsunthat's precisely why you're getting the error.07:49
crimsunnote the name of the source package in debian/changelog07:49
crimsunthen compare that with the name of your orig.tar.gz07:49
gnomefreakbut the guide told me to add -debhelper to it07:50
gnomefreakoh the -107:50
gnomefreakok removed the -1 from the end is that all?07:50
crimsunno, it's the part in the orig.tar.gz before the _07:50
crimsunyour changelog entry uses scribus-ng-debhelper07:51
crimsuntherefore your orig.tar.gz must be named scribus-ng-debhelper_1.3.3.7.dfsg.orig.tar.gz07:51
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crimsunI'm not convinced, however, that's what you want. What are you attempting?07:51
gnomefreakok can i just rename it?07:51
crimsunAre you generating a new binary package from the scribus-ng source package?07:52
gnomefreakbulding this package since ours is a lower version07:52
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crimsunok, so no, you're not generating a new binary package from the scribus-ng source package; instead you're generating a newer upstream version of the source package.07:52
gnomefreakoh thats not good07:52
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crimsunI'm pretty certain that's what you want, in fact.07:53
gesergnomefreak: take the current package in Ubuntu and uupdate to the new upstream version07:54
gnomefreakso instead of building it in debian dir build it in ubuntu dir?07:54
crimsunif you're targeting feisty, use what geser stated, or (and this is preferred) file a sync request against feisty's current scribus-ng source package requesting a sync from Debian unstable/main07:54
gnomefreaki thought that was only for merges07:55
geserDebian has a newer version?07:55
geserthan sync from it07:55
crimsunuse https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scribus-ng/+filebug , and follow https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html07:56
crimsunafterward, subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors LP team07:56
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gnomefreakthey want the changelog in the ubuntu debian dir. right?08:04
geserfor the sync request?08:06
gesercopy all new changelog entries (from the Debian package) after
gnomefreakthere wasnt any08:07
gnomefreakcome to this about it there had to be08:07
geseryou need to copy the changelog entry for
gnomefreakah oops08:08
geserthat's the only one after the version which is currently in feisty08:11
geseryou may want to test in a pbuilder if the package from Debian builds on Ubuntu08:12
gnomefreaki had it already just had to look for it08:12
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gnomefreakits done. i uploaded the whole file just incase they needed more08:14
Adri2000geser: can you look at this sync request https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opencv/+bug/83086 ? there is an ubuntu change to drop, but I think we should rather keep it, what do you think?08:16
UbugtuMalone bug 83086 in opencv "[Sync Request]  opencv (1.0.0-1) from debian experimental/main to universe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  08:16
gesercurrenty looking at it08:17
Adri2000the change is:08:18
Adri2000-Replaces: python2.3-opencv (<= 0.9.7-3)08:18
Adri2000+Replaces: python2.3-opencv (<= 0.9.7-3), python2.4-opencv (<= 0.9.7-3)08:18
Adri2000and same with Conflicts:08:18
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geserAdri2000: it needs to be merged08:22
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gesergnomefreak: you should add the *new* changelog entry not the ones we already have08:39
gesergnomefreak: I've added the missing parts and ACKed it08:39
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geserhi ajmitch 08:52
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gnomefreakthank you geser 10:37
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Adri2000geser: I will upload the opencv merge, ok?10:41
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Adri2000and also, I will upload mozilla-stumbleupon (merge)10:47
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geserAdri2000: it's ok with me10:48
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LaserJocksure is busy around here11:17
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TheMusoHey MOTUs.11:34
geserhi TheMuso 11:35
LaserJockhi TheMuso 11:38
TheMusoHey LaserJock. Was the conference successful?11:38
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LaserJockpretty much11:42
LaserJockpeople seemed to like my poster ok11:43
LaserJockand I got some potential postdoc contacts11:43
nixternalLaserJock: latex question for you12:06
nixternalin order to fix this bug for Plucker documentation, it has to build .tex files12:06
nixternaland also in the configure.in I noticed latex2html12:06
nixternalif I was to depend on latex2html it in turn depends on tetex*.12:07
nixternaland this will build out the tex files. do you know of any "shortcuts" as the tetex-* downloads are fairly large12:08
nixternalfor a depend12:08
nixternalactually, probably wouldn't be so bad but the us.archive suck for me12:08
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