[12:18] <gnomefreak> in making a control file the part depends: $(shlibs:depends) i would leave $(shlibs: than list the build depends after that) and what would i put between each depend
[12:19] <gnomefreak> is this what it should look like? Depends: ${shlibs:automake1.9 build-essential cvs libpango1.0-dev libgtk2.0-dev libgconf2-dev  libglitz-glx-dev  librsvg2-dev checkinstall libglade2-dev libxcomposite-dev libtool libgtop2-dev}
[12:19] <crimsun> no
[12:20] <gnomefreak> :(
[12:21] <geser> gnomefreak: pick any non-complex package to see how is should look like
[12:21] <geser> gnomefreak: you have a line starting with Build-Depends which lists all needed package to build
[12:22] <geser> and you have a line Depends for each package stating the runtime depends
[12:22] <gnomefreak> not from what im reading :( someone might want to change the guide than?
[12:23] <geser> the value ${shlibs:depends} gets filled during the build by some debhelper script
[12:23] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:24] <geser> so you get the current dependency automatically and don't need to do it everytime manually
[12:27] <gnomefreak> ok i see where it gets the depends from. the file im scared to death to make 
[12:28] <crimsun> what's "this"?
[12:28] <geser> gnomefreak: why are you trying to package?
[12:28] <crimsun> (and your checkinstall is showing.)
[12:28] <gnomefreak> yeah i removed all that checkinstall was a mistake
[12:29] <gnomefreak> ah i know wher ei can get the files from and just edit them as needed (that might work for the rules file)
[12:30] <crimsun> heh, you should try cdbs.
[12:31] <geser> gnomefreak: look if there is a package similar to what you want packaged and spy there :)
[12:31] <gnomefreak> im looking for it atm
[12:32] <gnomefreak> good thing its not going into ubuntu repos :)
[01:50] <TheMuso> Hobbsee!
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee!!!111!!ONE
[01:52] <Hobbsee> TheMuso!
[01:53] <zul> hey
[01:54] <Fujitsu> Hi zul.
[01:56] <Hobbsee> hey Fujitsu!  hey zul!
[01:57] <zul> hey Hobbsee how goes the stick?
[01:59] <Hobbsee> the stick goes :)
[02:11] <gnomefreak> in the control file section is the repo that the package is in right?
[02:11] <bddebian> Heya gang
[02:11] <Hobbsee> uh, no.  doesnt say at all, actually
[02:11] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: 6
[02:11] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ^
[02:12] <gnomefreak> it says Section: unknown  should that be changed?
[02:13] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: what's the package?
[02:13] <gnomefreak> scribus-mg
[02:13] <gnomefreak> ng
[02:14] <gnomefreak> in show it says universe/graphics
[02:14] <Hobbsee> check the debian maintainers guide - it's sections like kde, gnome, etc
[02:14] <Hobbsee> ah.  
[02:14] <Hobbsee> could be what it's supposed to be
[02:14] <gnomefreak> ok makes sence
[02:16] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: The archive admins add the universe/, so you just need the section.
[02:16] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[02:17] <Fujitsu> universe is the component, graphics is the section. You only need the section.
[02:17] <gnomefreak> cool :)
[02:20] <bddebian> w00t we're under 20 new merges :-)
[02:23] <Fujitsu> Yay!
[02:23] <Fujitsu> Better than Edgy, at any rate.
[02:23] <Fujitsu> (although I presume a number of them have sync requests filed)
[02:24] <bddebian> Not too many that are left I don't think.  Though I know maildir-bulletin does ;-)
[02:26] <Fujitsu> 4 of the new ones need no action, as they were fake syncs due to stuffed Debian versioning.
[02:26] <Fujitsu> So we're down to 14 or so.
[02:27] <bddebian> xbvl is unbuildable afaict
[02:27] <bddebian> Unless we bring back libGLw
[02:27] <Fujitsu> AFAIK too.
[02:27] <Fujitsu> Yep.
[02:27] <Fujitsu> We need a comments field :(
[02:28] <bddebian> Yep
[02:28] <Fujitsu> We should have one on our own MoM for Feisty+1, so it's just a short-term problem.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: our own one?
[02:30] <Hobbsee> anyoen interested in updating mplayer, btw?
[02:30] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, yes, it is planned to have our own.
[02:30] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I might take a look, if it's not too horrible.
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: neat :)
[02:30] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: okay
[02:32] <TheMuso> c/me prepares to go indoor rock climbing.
[02:32] <Hobbsee> TheMuso: nice!!!
[02:32] <zakame> morning all
[02:32] <bddebian> Heya zakame
[02:32] <zakame> TheMuso: that's rocking
[02:32] <zakame> yo bddebian!
[02:32] <TheMuso> zakame: haha yeah.
[02:38] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: looking into it now
[02:38] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, I am too.
[02:40] <Fujitsu> Any other nice new upstream versions we want?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: make sure you grab that patch for the vulnerability, too
[02:43] <gnomefreak> crap so close
[02:43] <ademan> i realize this is off topic but can anyone PM me and help me with the ATI drivers?  #ubuntu is being useless
[02:44] <gnomefreak> how do i get depends inside pbuilder
[02:44] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: build whatever you're trying to, it'll fail in configure?
[02:45] <gnomefreak> yes missing a lib
[02:45] <ademan> gnomefreak:  hrm? your debian/control should have Build-Depend: ListOfPackagesNeededToBuild
[02:45] <gnomefreak> it does ill check to see if it has libart
[02:47] <ademan> note you'll have to dpkg-buildpackage again for those changes to take effect
[02:47] <gnomefreak> i running debuild -S again
[02:48] <Fujitsu> That'll do too.
[02:48] <gnomefreak> than the pbuilder command
[02:48] <ademan> what's the difference between dpkg-buildpackage and debuild?
[02:48] <bddebian> Not much
[02:49] <ademan> any advantages one way or the other?
[02:49] <gnomefreak> isnt debuild used only with debhelper?
[02:49] <ademan> i know i've used debhelper with dpkg-buildpackage, so i dunno
[02:49] <Hobbsee> no, both use debhelper
[02:49] <Hobbsee> debuild requires devscripts installed
[02:51] <somerville32> Do we usually complete all the merges?
[02:52] <gnomefreak> yay its installing them
[02:53] <Fujitsu> somerville32, not as far as I know... But we can get very close, and we've got more time now.
[02:53] <somerville32> Fujitsu, I guess my real question is, "Are we doing good this release?"
[02:53] <zakame> freeze's on 15th right?
[02:54] <gnomefreak> i guess since its still failing on libart i should add libart-2.0-2-dev packages too?
[02:54] <Fujitsu> zakame, UVF is the 8th.
[02:54] <Fujitsu> somerville32, better than Edgy, I think.
[02:54] <zakame> oh, thanks
[02:55] <gnomefreak> it doesnt matter how many time i run debuild right?
[02:56] <somerville32> gnomefreak, You need to run it to rebuild the source package
[02:56] <gnomefreak> but running it 3 times isnt gonna make 3 sources is it?
[02:56] <somerville32> No
[02:56] <somerville32> It overwrites it
[02:56] <gnomefreak> ok cool
[03:04] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yeah, you need the -dev package.  
[03:04] <gnomefreak> i took most from build-dep scribus-ng :)
[03:04] <gnomefreak> so far so good
[03:05] <gnomefreak> im kind of scared of lintian
[03:06] <gnomefreak> oh yeah its grabbing alot of packages now. im betting that part is right now
[03:07] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: fails on --enable-vortis, if you havent already found out
[03:08] <Fujitsu> I'm still checking-out the bzr branch.
[03:08] <Hobbsee> bah.  didnt even know there was one.
[03:08] <Fujitsu> In the README in the old source package, it says there is.
[03:08] <Fujitsu> And a good thing to.
[03:08] <Fujitsu> *too
[03:08] <Fujitsu> bzr-maintained packages are goooood.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> hehe :)
[03:09] <Fujitsu> (especially when there's a fairly large delta)
[03:12] <Fujitsu> Why is bzr so slow!?
[03:13] <zakame> I thought you was praising it? :P
[03:13] <Fujitsu> It is good, but rather slow.
[03:13] <Fujitsu> And I note that Debian now has a mplayer package.
[03:13] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: because it's not written for speed? :-)
[03:14] <zakame> oh, amenucc's
[03:15] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: they have probably thrown out most of the stuff people want...
[03:15] <_jaldhar> Anyone here going to ubucon?
[03:15] <Fujitsu> This is true; I just noticed that it was in main.
[03:16] <somerville32> Is debian using python 2.5?
[03:16] <Fujitsu> So, stuff Debian in this case.
[03:16] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: better to keep ours and keep it up-to-date I think :-)
[03:16] <Fujitsu> Looks like it.
[03:16] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: so feel free to package new upstream version ;-)
[03:17] <Fujitsu> That's what I'm doing :)
[03:17] <Fujitsu> (once these stupid branches check out)
[03:17] <Fujitsu> Hi minghua.
[03:17] <Nafallo> hehe
[03:17] <minghua> Hello Fujitsu
[03:20] <Fujitsu> bddebian, why didn't you request a sync of u++?
[03:21] <bddebian> md5sum mismatch, no?
[03:21] <Fujitsu> Wouldn't that put it on the manual list?
[03:21] <bddebian> It didn't for Istanbul
[03:22] <Fujitsu> How strange.
[03:22] <Fujitsu> Do we want to remove mozilla? Debian did some time ago.
[03:23] <bddebian> Still has a lot of rdepends, doesn't it? (Though yes, I think we should remove it) :-)
[03:23] <Fujitsu> Indeed, it does.
[03:24] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[03:24] <Fujitsu> They seem to be mostly mozilla | www-browser
[03:24] <bddebian> Yeah.
[03:27] <gnomefreak> i keep getting a damn 404 error :(
[03:28] <gnomefreak> what do you do if pbuilder cant grab a depend because of a 404 error from repo?
[03:31] <Fujitsu> pbuilder update
[03:32] <zakame> does cowbuilder work now in feisty? I can't seem to even --create it
[03:40] <bddebian> cowbuilder?
[03:42] <zakame> yeah, from cowdancer
[03:43] <zakame> alternate to pbuilder, avoids extracting base.tgzs...
[03:43] <bddebian> Hmm
[03:44] <zakame> I tried creating a base-cow now but it borks saying cowbuilder can't be found in the chroot's repositories check
[03:48] <Fujitsu> zakame: How does it do it without extracting them? Just cleans the directory up?
[03:53] <zakame> Fujitsu: yeah iirc, its copy-on-write
[03:54] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[03:54] <Fujitsu> Sounds similar to LVM snapshots.
[03:54] <zakame> yeah
[03:56] <Fujitsu> Hm, I should probably do a license audit on the delta... But it's biiig.
[03:57] <gnomefreak> libarts is starting to work on my nerves :(
[03:58] <DarkMageZ> gnomefreak, luckily kde4 is getting rid of arts
[03:58] <gnomefreak> DarkMageZ: than the upstream needs to get rid of it as a depends
[03:58] <gnomefreak> i think i know what happened but will find out
[04:05] <gnomefreak> last time i running this tonight 
[04:53] <gnomefreak> is there an easy fast way to fix this error? checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[04:53] <gnomefreak> i woul dlove to finish this before deb
[04:53] <gnomefreak> bed
[04:53] <Fujitsu> Nafallo, around?
[04:53] <Fujitsu> Ah, I see not.
[04:54] <Nafallo> Fujitsu: pong @ 4:53 ;-)
[04:54] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[04:55] <Fujitsu> You seem to be the master of recent mplayer uploads.
[04:55] <Fujitsu> What's the process for a new upstream? Put it in upstream-ubuntu first, then merge to ubuntu, then resolve conflicts... Then what?
[04:56] <Nafallo> oh. no idea. I haven't really tried that :-)
[04:56] <Nafallo> locally I do for example gajim/bzr/{tarball,ubuntu}
[04:57] <Fujitsu> But you did the last mplahyer new upstream, didn't you?
[04:57] <Nafallo> and then bzr import tarballs to tarball and commit and then merge with ubuntu :-)
[04:57] <Fujitsu> *mplayer
[04:57] <Fujitsu> OK.
[04:57] <Nafallo> hmm. no idea. I did the repacking upstream wanted :-)
[04:58] <Nafallo> I don't think I upgraded it
[04:58] <Nafallo> ages ago anyway :-P
[04:58] <Fujitsu> Yah.
[05:00] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[05:01] <Nafallo> siretart: night :-)
[05:01] <bddebian> Gnight sistpoty
[05:01] <ajmitch> night sistpoty :)
[05:01] <Nafallo> I must have reminded him about the time :-P
[05:02] <bddebian> Sick bastards :-)
[05:02] <zakame> hehe
[05:03] <Nafallo> I have a LugRadio-marathon ffs :-P
[05:03] <Nafallo> have taken me two-three days now :-)
[05:03] <Nafallo> I'm on s3e3 :-)
[05:03] <ajmitch> away from computers
[05:03] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, impossible!
[05:03] <ajmitch> but true!
[05:04] <Fujitsu> Wow, my mplayer source package actually built from bzr. I'm impressed.
[05:05] <ajmitch> I worry that you sound surprised
[05:05] <Fujitsu> It's mplayer, the upstream needed to be modified a lot, and it's in bzr.
[05:05] <Fujitsu> None of which increase my confidence.
[05:06] <Nafallo> shall I look at it for you?
[05:07] <Fujitsu> Not yet, I think I know what I'm doing now.
[05:07] <Nafallo> hehe :-)
[05:25] <Nafallo> gn{att,ight}
[05:29] <bddebian> Gnight Nafallo
[05:33] <ScottK> Actually all I had to do was complain and then it wasn't so hard ...
[05:34] <bddebian> Heya LaserJock
[05:34] <LaserJock> hi bddebian 
[05:36] <LaserJock> bddebian: how are things?
[05:37] <bddebian> Going man thanks.  You?
[05:38] <LaserJock> decent
[05:38] <LaserJock> just got back from a conference
[05:39] <bddebian> A Laser Conference? :-)
[05:42] <ajmitch> hello LaserJock 
[05:42] <LaserJock> bddebian: yes
[05:42] <LaserJock> bddebian: kinda
[05:42] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch 
[05:43] <LaserJock> uggg, lots of FTBFS
[05:45] <ajmitch> LaserJock: might as well get working on them then
[05:46] <LaserJock> hmm
[05:47] <LaserJock> well, ever time I got to these conferences I realize how much I need to focus on research
[05:47] <bddebian> I'll try to hit some when I think I can't get through any more merges which is getting VERY close :-)
[05:50] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Note that about 1/3 of them are false, due to schroot issues.
[05:58] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yeah, it's hard to work with that many false positives
[05:59] <Fujitsu> You can eliminate them by looking for larger logs.
[06:13] <LaserJock> well, I'm going to bed
[06:13] <LaserJock> cya all tomorrow
[06:14] <Fujitsu> Goodnight, Laser_away.
[06:16] <bddebian> Gnight Laser_away
[07:45] <joejaxx> anyone awake?
[07:45] <joejaxx> :(
[07:49] <lifeless> no
[07:51] <Fujitsu> (and sleep-updating-mplayer)
[07:57] <joejaxx> :(
[09:46] <Fujitsu> Go to bed, imbrandon!
[09:47] <Fujitsu> (or did you just wake up?)
[09:47] <imbrandon> i just got to work
[09:47] <imbrandon> no sleeep for me
[09:47] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[09:47] <imbrandon> well got to work 3 hours ago
[09:47] <imbrandon> but just now logging in etc
[09:47] <imbrandon> ;)
[09:48] <imbrandon> wasup Fujitsu ?
[09:48] <imbrandon> maybe i'll blog tonight , i havent done that in a while
[09:48] <Fujitsu> Well, I've just finished yet another compilation of mplayer 1.0rc1, and it seems to be working this time.
[09:50] <imbrandon> nice
[09:51] <imbrandon> hrm i wish there was an archive admin awake
[09:51] <Fujitsu> Why?
[09:51] <imbrandon> to push a manual main promotion
[09:51] <Fujitsu> There are 6 now, you know?
[09:52] <Fujitsu> Surely one of them is up...
[09:52] <imbrandon> 6 now ? wow
[09:52] <Fujitsu> seb128 and Mithrandir.
[09:53] <Fujitsu> Although I'm not sure if seb128 has the requisite accounts yet.
[09:54] <ajmitch> hey imbrandon 
[09:54] <imbrandon> heya ajmitch 
[09:54] <Fujitsu> Evening, ajmitch.
[09:55] <ajmitch> evening
[09:55] <ajmitch> all the active archive admins seem to be in the same timezone now
[09:55] <imbrandon> wow haha
[09:55] <imbrandon> what timezone?
[09:55] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, other than infinity, I presume.
[09:55] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: I said active
[09:55] <ajmitch> have you seen him round at all this year?
[09:55] <Fujitsu> True.
[09:56] <Fujitsu> He was away for a while.
[09:56] <Fujitsu> (ie. on holidays)
[09:56] <ajmitch> imbrandon: UTC+1 or +2, I think
[09:56] <Fujitsu> seb128 is somewhere else as well, isn't he?
[09:56] <ajmitch> actually no, UTC & UTC+1
[09:56] <ajmitch> seb128 is in paris
[09:56] <ajmitch> so they're all in the UK or europe
[09:56] <imbrandon> figures
[09:56] <Fujitsu> Oh, and we've got pitti.
[09:56] <ajmitch> germany
[09:56] <imbrandon> pitti is german
[09:57] <Fujitsu> So, Germany, France, UK. All rather similar :-/
[09:57] <imbrandon> yup, all in EU
[09:57] <ajmitch> and infinity was never really in any 1 .au timezone
[09:58] <Fujitsu> Er?
[09:58] <ajmitch> he kept odd hours
[09:58] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[09:58] <imbrandon> kinda like me ;)
[09:59] <Fujitsu> Hrm, so an archive admin is actually up. Impossible.
[09:59] <ajmitch> yeah
[09:59] <ajmitch> hardly impossible
[09:59] <ajmitch> tollef is one of the married ones now :)
[09:59] <Fujitsu> This is true.
[10:01] <ajmitch> 21:59 < imbrandon> Mithrandir, pweeease and thank you :)
[10:02] <ajmitch> sickening
[10:02] <imbrandon> lol
[10:03] <ajmitch> now I need a new f-spot
[10:03] <Fujitsu> imbrandon, seems you were lucky and it got depwaited... Quite a lot seem to not, these days.
[10:03] <imbrandon> yea
[10:04] <ajmitch> imbrandon: need this for amarok?
[10:04] <Fujitsu> ajmitch: What's this new F-Spot?
[10:04] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: 0.3.3
[10:04] <imbrandon> ajmitch, yes
[10:04] <ajmitch> 0.3.2 has a few bugs that are annoying
[10:04] <Fujitsu> I noticed.
[10:04] <imbrandon> actualy i needed that for libgpod 0.4.2 witch inturn i need for amarok
[10:04] <ajmitch> I've been promised a new release before UVF
[10:05] <Fujitsu> I've noticed it vanishes without a trace a little more than I'd expect.
[10:05] <imbrandon> ajmitch, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps
[10:05] <ajmitch> 0.3.3 is mainly just bugfixes
[10:05] <ajmitch> I like having a friendly upstream
[10:05] <ajmitch> who will adjust their releases to match ubuntu
[10:05] <Fujitsu> A friendly upstream? Does such a thing exist?
[10:06] <ajmitch> sure
[10:06] <Fujitsu> That does sound ideal, ajmitch.
[10:06] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, hehe yea konversation and amarok both talor to ubuntu releases
[10:06] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:06] <ajmitch> I've stayed with the main developer of another package I maintain, in melbourne
[10:06] <imbrandon> well mostly
[10:06] <ajmitch> as well as being good friends with some others
[10:07] <Fujitsu> I've met a total of.... Zero FOSS developers in real life.
[10:07] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: that's hard to believe still
[10:08] <Fujitsu> No Ubuntuers or DDs either :-/
[10:08] <ajmitch> I thought you'd had at least 1 debian-melb meetup?
[10:08] <Fujitsu> Nothing ever came of the one I could have attended, and I was at school for the other.
[10:08] <ajmitch> even I've met more DDs in melbourne than you have :)
[10:08] <Fujitsu> Haha.
[10:08] <imbrandon> lol
[10:08] <ajmitch> so next time I'm over I'll have to meetup
[10:08] <imbrandon> we need more people in KC to be ubuntu/DD people
[10:09] <imbrandon> chi seems to have alot and KC is bigger
[10:09] <ajmitch> since I'll probably end up staying with my friend in ringwood
[10:09] <Fujitsu> KC?
[10:09] <imbrandon> kansas city
[10:09] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[10:09] <ajmitch> imbrandon: yeah, it sucks only have 5 (or is it 6?) DDs in this town
[10:09] <Fujitsu> ajmitch, what is the population of said place?
[10:09] <imbrandon> ajmitch, we have 0 and i'm the only ubuntu guy afaik
[10:09] <ajmitch> 120K peopl
[10:09] <Fujitsu> Not at all bad.
[10:10] <ajmitch> yeah
[10:10] <imbrandon> in a town of 2+ mil ( counting suburbs )
[10:10] <ajmitch> imbrandon: that's bad
[10:10] <imbrandon> yea
[10:10] <ajmitch> I'm the only ubuntu dev currently
[10:10] <Fujitsu> We've got 3 (or perhaps 3.5) million people, quite a number of DDs, and one Ubuntu dev.
[10:10] <imbrandon> hell our lug only has 20 or so peeps that show up regularly, we have more people at work that use linux than come to lug meetings
[10:11] <Fujitsu> (plus infinity, but... he sort of counts)
[10:11] <imbrandon> i need to check on the KC population , thats was purely an semi-educated guess
[10:11] <ajmitch> ah, classic australian music on last.fm
[10:11] <ajmitch> AC/DC
[10:12] <ajmitch> oh well
[10:12] <imbrandon> ahh looks like 2.7 million in the actual city limits + more in the suburbs
[10:13] <imbrandon> so i was a tad off
[10:13] <imbrandon> probably closer to 3.5 all togather then
[10:13] <ajmitch> not a small city then
[10:13] <imbrandon> 2,744,687
[10:14] <imbrandon> nope not small, just suprisingly no DD's here afaik
[10:14] <ajmitch> compared to dunedin, yeah
[10:15] <imbrandon> wow someone bit my computer area meme kinda late on planet
[10:15] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:20] <ajmitch> haha
[10:20] <ajmitch> I don't think I want to follow that meme :)
[10:20] <imbrandon> hehe
[10:22] <ajmitch> but I cheat since 1 monitor is hooked up to a dead box
[10:23] <imbrandon> i have 2 monitors in my main work area
[10:23] <imbrandon> one isnt hooked up atm
[10:23] <imbrandon> ( the crt )
[10:23] <imbrandon> and my lappy off to the side but its not in the pic
[10:25] <imbrandon> hum
[10:26] <ajmitch> yeah, but I like my 3200x1200 desktop :)
[10:27] <imbrandon> someday i'll get another 22'' and run dual head
[10:27] <imbrandon> wont be for a few more months though
[10:27] <imbrandon> unless i get a raise
[10:27] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:27] <siretart> 3200x1200 is neat
[10:28] <ajmitch> hey siretart 
[10:28] <siretart> at work, we have 1920x1200 desktops, I think
[10:28] <siretart> huhu ajmitch 
[10:28] <imbrandon> heya siretart 
[10:28] <siretart> huhu imbrandon 
[10:28] <imbrandon> yea i run 4x 1600x1200 at work
[10:28] <imbrandon> ( 4 x 17in lcd )
[10:30] <ajmitch> yeah I hate you now
[10:30] <ajmitch> but that's ok
[10:30] <siretart> lol
[10:31] <imbrandon> heh , lemme find some batteries and i'll take some pics of the DC
[10:31] <imbrandon> i've been meaning to anyhow
[10:32] <imbrandon> i have a cheap camera here but its dead
[10:32] <ajmitch> you at work now?
[10:33] <imbrandon> yea
[10:33] <imbrandon> for 5 or so more hours
[10:33] <imbrandon> its a slow night
[10:43] <imbrandon> ajmitch, http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/gsi/
[10:43] <imbrandon> err
[10:43] <imbrandon> http://www.imbrandon.com/misc/gsi/workstation.jpg
[10:44] <imbrandon> crappy pics but the camera here sucks
[10:44] <imbrandon> worse than mine at home hehe
[10:45] <imbrandon> but give you a rough idea of the DC
[10:45] <imbrandon> gives*
[10:48] <Fujitsu> imbrandon: I want one. :P
[10:49] <siretart> quad head?
[10:49] <imbrandon> siretart, two dual head nvida cards
[10:49] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, one what ?
[10:49] <Fujitsu> That setup.
[10:50] <imbrandon> heh thats my work setup, i actualy like my home setup better for useability
[10:51] <imbrandon> honestly two widescreens > 4 smaller ones
[10:51] <siretart> imbrandon: what/where are you working?
[10:51] <imbrandon> siretart, i work at one of the largest colo / managed hosting facilities in the US
[10:52] <imbrandon> thus i get the rackspace and bandwidth for free for my buildfarm ( from yesterdays convo )
[10:52] <imbrandon> as an employyee perk
[10:53] <imbrandon> http://www.gsihosting.com/clients/  <-- some of our customers
[10:53] <imbrandon> siretart, ^^
[10:54] <siretart> impressive :)
[10:54] <ajmitch> imbrandon: interesting setup
[10:55] <imbrandon> i'd take better pics of the actual racks but some have company logo's that we arent allowed via PCI to disclose etc
[10:56] <imbrandon> and i'd get my arse chewed/fired
[10:56] <imbrandon> ;)
[10:56] <Fujitsu> What do you actually do?
[10:57] <imbrandon> Fujitsu, sysadmin for ubuntu/centos/solaris boxen
[10:57] <imbrandon> for some of our managed clients and our company internal servers
[10:57] <Fujitsu> Aha.
[10:57] <Fujitsu> Other than the CentOS, that sounds good.
[10:58] <imbrandon> yea the cent boxes will eventualy get phased out, but with over 1k in production it takes a while
[10:58] <Fujitsu> Wow!
[10:58] <Fujitsu> How many boxen do you have in total?
[10:58] <imbrandon> between the two DC's and the offsite backup facility about 5 to 6 k
[10:59] <ajmitch> a small number
[10:59] <imbrandon> yea really not that many considering the stuff we do
[10:59] <imbrandon> more and more they are getting virtualized
[10:59] <imbrandon> we have a few esx servers now
[11:41] <imbrandon> hum, got quiet
[11:44] <ajmitch> yep
[11:46] <imbrandon> apt-cache search wildfire
[11:46] <imbrandon> err
[11:46] <imbrandon> hum
[11:46] <ajmitch> heh
[11:46] <ajmitch> apt-cache search life
[11:46] <imbrandon> are there any jabber servers in the repos ?
[11:46] <ajmitch> darn, can't install one
[11:47] <ajmitch> sure there are
[11:47] <imbrandon> wildfire dosent seem to be
[11:47] <imbrandon> lol @ life
[11:47] <ajmitch> jabberd2, ejabberd
[11:47] <ajmitch> jabber
[11:48] <imbrandon> like ubuntu-roxorz.tld or i-heart-ubuntu.tld
[11:48] <imbrandon> or some such , just for fun
[11:48] <Fujitsu> ejabberd works well, I use it on ubuntu.org.au.
[11:49] <imbrandon> ;)
[11:51] <imbrandon> hrm do jabber servers automaticly talk to one another ? or would i have to "peer" with like jabber.org or something ?
[11:52] <imbrandon> e.g. if i set this up @whateverichoose.blah can still talk to other jabber service users like gmail and jabber.org{,.au} etc ?
[11:53] <Fujitsu> Automagic.
[11:53] <imbrandon> cool
[11:53] <Fujitsu> (unless you disable it manually)
[11:53] <imbrandon> hum could even through some kinda free webmail too i guess
[11:54] <imbrandon> any sugestions ona  catchy ubuntuish domain for free jabber/webmail for general users?
[11:54] <Fujitsu> ubuntu.net! Almost definitely taken, though.
[11:54] <imbrandon> maybe i should make a contest for the best name and give that person a bigger disk quota and pop3 access 
[11:54] <imbrandon> or something
[11:55] <ajmitch> ubuntu-is-t3h-1337.net
[11:55] <imbrandon> heh
[11:55] <ajmitch> or whatever misspellings you can manage
[11:56] <imbrandon> hehe
[11:59] <imbrandon> umail.com ( like gmail ) , nah toooooo lame
[11:59] <imbrandon> and not everyone would catch it i dont think
[11:59] <imbrandon> ubumail.
[12:12] <imbrandon> hum ok if i do run a "contest" for a domain name , any sugestions on collecting the data ? i hate to have it all jumbled in say comments to a blogpost
[12:19] <imbrandon> later ajmitch 
[12:20] <zul> zulrocksyoursocksoff.net
[12:20] <imbrandon> heh
[12:20] <ajmitch> hah
[12:21] <imbrandon> bddebianisagod.net
[12:21] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:21] <ajmitch> yeah, that may put a few people off
[12:21] <imbrandon> hehe SLEEP !!
[12:21] <zul> this channel is logged isnt it ;)
[12:21] <imbrandon> yea
[12:21] <imbrandon> afaik all *ubuntu* are
[12:21] <imbrandon> atleaste most
[12:23] <imbrandon> irunubuntu.com
[12:27] <cbx33> nn ajmitch 
[12:29] <imbrandon> heya cbx33 
[12:29] <cbx33> hi imbrandon 
[12:29] <cbx33> howz it going?
[12:29] <imbrandon> good good 
[12:29] <cbx33> excellent
[12:29] <cbx33> busy busy I take it?
[12:29] <imbrandon> finished stage one of the motu farm
[12:29] <imbrandon> yea lately really busy
[12:30] <imbrandon> and thinking about a new project heheh
[12:30] <imbrandon> as seen above
[12:30] <cbx33> awesome
[12:31] <cbx33> I only saw it from thinking of a contest for a doamin name ;)
[12:31] <imbrandon> 04:54 < imbrandon> any sugestions ona  catchy ubuntuish domain for free jabber/webmail for general users?               
[12:31] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:31] <cbx33> ahhh nice
[12:32] <zul> meh...fsf sucks..
[12:32] <cbx33> jabuntmail
[12:32] <cbx33> heh
[12:32] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:32] <cbx33> yeh....I clearly havn't woken up yet
[12:32] <imbrandon> i-r-heart-ubuntu.net
[12:33] <cbx33> hehe
[12:33] <cbx33> imbrandon, you're a KDE dude
[12:34] <cbx33> how hard is it to start deving gui apps for the kde environment
[12:34] <imbrandon> heya hoora_214 
[12:34] <imbrandon> err Hobbsee 
[12:34] <imbrandon> damn tab button
[12:34] <imbrandon> lol
[12:34] <imbrandon> cbx33, quite easy if you go the pyqt route, basic apps in less than a day
[12:35] <cbx33> hi Hobbsee 
[12:35] <Hobbsee> hehe
[12:35] <Hobbsee> hey cbx33 :)
[12:35] <imbrandon> s/pyqt/pykde also
[12:35] <cbx33> imbrandon, see I've been working on TCM recently
[12:35] <cbx33> and we split it into front end backend
[12:35] <cbx33> so that we could develop a KDE front end
[12:35] <cbx33> at the moment no one has stepped forward
[12:35] <cbx33> so I'm thinking I may do it
[12:36] <cbx33> obviously not this release
[12:36] <gnomefreak> what do i doo with this error? its during pbuiilder build. checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[12:36] <imbrandon> right on, thats what ubiguity etc does, pygtk / py{qt,kde}
[12:36] <cbx33> I'd not have time but maybe next - is it clode to pygtk?
[12:36] <cbx33> s/clode/close
[12:36] <imbrandon> yea
[12:36] <cbx33> same method of working?
[12:36] <cbx33> signal handlers etc?
[12:36] <imbrandon> yup
[12:37] <imbrandon> just no .glade's, use qtdesigner to make .ui's then pyuic to convert them to .py and off you go
[12:37] <imbrandon> or import kde and the .ui directly and no pyuic needed
[12:37] <imbrandon> depends on how you like to work
[12:38] <cbx33> yeh
[12:38] <cbx33> well i use glade quite a lot
[12:38] <cbx33> but also do a lot of it by hand
[12:38] <StevenK> imbrandon: Is the ppc build.i.c up?
[12:38] <cbx33> like signal connecting that kinda thing
[12:38] <imbrandon> if you use glade to do your pygtk apps , qt designer and pyqt/pykde will be right at home to you
[12:38] <cbx33> what's the diff with pykde and pyqt?
[12:38] <imbrandon> StevenK, not yet, i have to reload it, i fubard it last night
[12:39] <StevenK> imbrandon: Bozo! :-P
[12:39] <imbrandon> cbx33, pyqt is pure qt and pykde has the kde extensions
[12:39] <imbrandon> see this is where gnome people get confused
[12:39] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:39] <cbx33> hehe
[12:39] <cbx33> indeed
[12:39] <imbrandon> ok think about it like this , gtk != gnome 
[12:39] <cbx33> we gnomeians are simple folk
[12:39] <imbrandon> qt != kde
[12:40] <imbrandon> qt is just the widgets , kde is the widgest plus more kde specific widgets ( like html widgets etc ) that are qt overrides and plus some other nongui libs
[12:41] <imbrandon> kinda like the relationship between gtk and gnomelibs
[12:41] <StevenK> imbrandon: Re-read that "qt is just..." sentence and cringe...
[12:41] <imbrandon> whereas gtk != gnome but gnome == gtk+++
[12:42] <imbrandon> StevenK, hehe, its hard to explain, but i think he see's what i'm getting aty
[12:42] <imbrandon> s/y//
[12:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: or glade and gtk?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> maybe?
[12:42] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: where's amarok, btw?
[12:42] <imbrandon> nah, glade is qt designer of gtk
[12:43] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, sitting on my hdd , i had to wait till mith pushed libgpod 0.4.2
[12:43] <imbrandon> it will get uploaded this morning
[12:43] <imbrandon> plus i couldent upload it before the 4th tech anyhow since thats when they will release it "publicly"
[12:43] <imbrandon> :)
[12:43] <imbrandon> but its built and ready to go
[12:44] <imbrandon> built*
[12:44] <imbrandon> err 
[12:44] <imbrandon> nvm
[12:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: did it push correctly?
[12:44] <imbrandon> did what push correc5tly?
[12:44] <Hobbsee> libgpod
[12:44] <imbrandon> yea about an hour ago it did
[12:44] <imbrandon> its built now as of 5am my time
[12:45] <imbrandon> thus i'll upload amarok 1.4.5 here in a few ( but i cant backport it or announce it for 18+ hours because amarok team hasent officialy released it yet )
[12:45] <imbrandon> and they tend to get mad when that happens
[12:45] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:45] <cbx33> i get it imbrandon 
[12:45] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:45] <cbx33> thanks
[12:46] <Hobbsee> yeah, but you can give us prerelease debs for testing.
[12:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: you fixed teh bugs assigned to me, presumably?
[12:46] <imbrandon> they are in the results dir on build.imbrandon.com
[12:46] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, most of them, i'll get the rest before i upload
[12:46] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:46] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ ssh imbrandon
[12:46] <Hobbsee> ssh: connect to host build.imbrandon.com port 5022: Connection refused
[12:47] <imbrandon> not 5022
[12:47] <imbrandon> just 22
[12:47] <imbrandon> its a brand new box
[12:47] <imbrandon> new rules , accounts from LP etc etc etc
[12:47] <imbrandon> i need to write up some docs about it
[12:47] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: nice of you to actually...you know...tell the people who have shells on it :)
[12:47] <imbrandon> maybe i'll do that today and email them to -devel
[12:48] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: somerville's been wanting to know waht's happening
[12:48] <StevenK> Like sysadmins notify people.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> heh
[12:48] <imbrandon> yea all of ubuntu{,-core}-dev has accounts
[12:48] <imbrandon> and somerville isnt a motu yet
[12:48] <imbrandon> so no account for him , got to limit it somehow
[12:49] <Hobbsee> ahh, i thought that you said you had given him an account.  or that was his belief, anyway
[12:49] <imbrandon> i did on the old old old voyager box
[12:49] <imbrandon> not since i made the "farm"
[12:50] <imbrandon> this one automaticly gets the ssh keys from LP for those groups and makes acounts based on your LP name
[12:50] <imbrandon> and imports new keys every few hours
[12:50] <imbrandon> so less "admin" for me
[12:50] <imbrandon> ;)
[12:50] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: precisely *which* results dir?  the one i was expecting has nothing
[12:51] <imbrandon>  /storage/pbuilders/feisty/results
[12:51] <imbrandon> if its not there i need to make a new run of it
[12:51] <Hobbsee> hobbsee@aurora:/storage/pbuilders/feisty/result$ ls -la
[12:51] <imbrandon> i need to make a new run of it anyhow
[12:51] <Hobbsee> total 0
[12:51] <Hobbsee> drwxrwxr-t 2 imbrandon imbrandon  48 2007-02-02 08:31 .
[12:51] <Hobbsee> drwxr-xr-x 6 imbrandon imbrandon 208 2007-02-02 07:20 ..
[12:51] <imbrandon> actualy
[12:51] <Hobbsee> seems os
[12:51] <imbrandon> yea
[12:51] <Hobbsee> *so
[12:51] <imbrandon> i'll make a rebuild here in a few minutes then
[12:51] <Hobbsee> grab the bugs assigned to me when you do :)
[12:51] <imbrandon> i will
[12:52] <gnomefreak> these are the last lines of sudo pbuilder-feisty build ../*.dsc.  http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/338389  is there something im missing?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> !xincludes
[12:52] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   xorg-dev
[12:52] <imbrandon> looks like its missing a build-dep gnomefreak 
[12:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ^
[12:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: but see teh description of it first
[12:54] <gnomefreak> ok ill try it again. ive been missing depends all over the place so ive been adding them one by one and the errors go away :)
[12:55] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[01:05] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, new test build started so you can play with it, but not all the fixes are in there yet
[01:05] <imbrandon> i'll let you know when its done
[01:05] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool, okay
[01:18] <gnomefreak> in the build depends do i libart2 and libart2-dev or can i just go with all -dev packages and forget the non -dev ones?
[01:20] <gnomefreak> libart2 was example i already fixed the libart depedns
[01:21] <StevenK> You should just be able to get away with the -dev packages, since they mostly all depend on the library packages anyway
[01:21] <gnomefreak> ok cool if it fails to build this time i wil replace all reg. packages and just use the -dev ones (does this go with libc6 also?
[01:22] <StevenK> You do not need to Build-Depend on libc6-dev
[01:22] <gnomefreak> k
[01:22] <StevenK> If it's in build-essential, don't add it to Build-Depends
[01:22] <gnomefreak> k :)
[01:31] <Fujitsu> siretart, around?
[01:42] <imbrandon> wow the FSF gonna screw Novell ?
[01:46] <phanatic> imbrandon: i hope they won't. that would be stupid
[01:51] <gnomefreak> fsf?
[01:52] <phanatic> gnomefreak: have a look at /.
[01:52] <imbrandon> free software foundation , e.g. the copyright holder to all GNU software
[01:52] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, ^^
[01:52] <gnomefreak> ah
[01:53] <imbrandon> phanatic, actualy i think it would be fantastic, make a deal with the devil and lay in your own bed after its made
[01:54] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, screwed again ? your still being screwed every day that goes by that they havent abolished the deal with MS
[01:55] <gnomefreak> true
[02:03] <zul> meh...politics
[02:08] <imbrandon> http://youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno
[02:11] <gnomefreak> should i try updating pbuilder to fix the makefile.in error above
[02:13] <gnomefreak> lmao @ that link
[02:16] <elkbuntu> lol
[02:21] <gnomefreak> ok found a makefile.in in the Cmake dir. can i just mkdir /path/scribus/doc and copy the makefile.in to the new doc folder?
[02:29] <gnomefreak> the common mistake page doesnt even list this issue. but i think im gonna eat breakfast than figure the makefile issue out
[02:29] <zakame> evening all
[02:30] <zakame> can someone check out my update on wlassistant on revu? http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4252
[02:41] <cbx33> hi does anyone know the bug number of the bug which causes the d-i to crash when scanning for cd rom
[02:41] <cbx33> I know I have to turn off an option on the kernel line
[02:41] <cbx33> but I can't remember what it is
[02:42] <cbx33> something/pcmcia=false i think
[02:42] <cbx33> anyone shed any light?
[02:42] <phanatic> cbx33: it's mentioned in the herd3 announcement
[02:42] <cbx33> ahh thanks phanatic 
[02:43] <zakame> hi allee
[02:43] <allee> zakame: hi, news from wlassistant? :)
[02:43] <zakame> I've prepared the new wlassistant, its on revu: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4252
[02:44] <allee> zakame: cool!! I'll have a look
[02:46] <zakame> thanks :) not much has changed, although I've to edit the interfaces diff a bit
[02:46] <zakame> also I've still to check if my run-parts integration is correct, although it seems fine when I tested it
[02:48] <allee> zakame: I've to find a AP without WPA before I can test
[03:34] <gnomefreak> pbuilder creates makefiles.* but doesnt create makefile.in. is there something that I and doing wrong or is this pbuilder. here is the error i get: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/338507
[03:35] <zakame> gnomefreak: did you try rebuilding the autotools stuff?
[03:35] <gnomefreak> i just ran update for pbuilder and trying it again but startange feeling updating pbuilder isnt gonna help
[03:35] <gnomefreak> zakame: no how do i go about that?
[03:37] <zakame> gnomefreak: no, I mean did you update the package-to-be-built's autotools stuff (touching configure.in, Makefile.am, etc) before trying to build?
[03:37] <gnomefreak> no
[03:39] <gnomefreak> i was building this for the most part from the packaging guide and it didnt say anything about that
[03:40] <zakame> oh
[03:41] <zakame> can you paste a full buildlog, I mean the stuff right before your previous paste?
[03:42] <gnomefreak> yeah it should be done soon the other one is lost a little further up from where i gave you
[03:46] <gnomefreak> zakame: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/338519 if i need to go higher up let me know i just changes the scrollback and wont let me go much further without restarting term
[03:47] <zakame> gnomefreak: the trick is in `pbuilder ... 2>&1 | tee ../buildlog` ;)
[03:47] <zakame> and pasting ../buildlog
[03:47] <gnomefreak> im gonna have to rebuild this i think im looking at it and there is a typo on one of the file names that i fixed and pbuilder doesnt loo like it changed with my change
[03:48] <gnomefreak> ./scribbus-ng-debhelper should only have 1 b in scribus
[03:50] <gnomefreak> unless you see something else
[03:52] <gnomefreak> thats exactly what it is 
[03:52] <gnomefreak> ill rebuild it from scratch and see what happens thank you
[04:17] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:17] <zakame> yo bddebian!
[04:18] <bddebian> Hi zakame
[04:31] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[04:32] <bddebian> Hi imbrandon
[04:50] <gnomefreak> damn typo caused issues for 18 hours *slaps self hard*
[04:56] <zakame> gnomefreak: awww
[04:57] <gnomefreak> in about an hour we will find out if it fails again.
[04:57] <zakame> takes that long to build?
[04:57] <gnomefreak> zakame: i cleared pbuilder and ther eare alot of depends
[04:57] <gnomefreak> there are 
[04:58] <zakame> ah
[04:58] <cbx33> eeek
[04:58] <cbx33> what was the typo in gnomefreak ?
[04:58] <gnomefreak> 118 of them
[04:59] <cbx33> dang it
[04:59] <gnomefreak> cbx33: scribbus instead of scribus one of the commands i ran (thinking dh_make) put that typo in control and changelog
[05:00] <cbx33> noooo
[05:00] <gnomefreak> if i can find a way to shortent he depends i will think about it
[05:01] <gnomefreak> it may have been when i renamed the file to -debhelper but its all fixed now for the time being
[05:23] <gnomefreak> such pretty colors when there are no errors :)
[05:53] <cbx33> gnomefreak, pretty colours?
[05:54] <cbx33> can someone help me out with mychroot?  I't not able to access the internet at all
[05:54] <gnomefreak> yeah pink green blue
[05:54] <cbx33> pretty colours for what?
[05:54] <gnomefreak> while its building (maybe plugins)
[05:55] <cbx33> oooh....you got me interested now ;)
[05:55] <cbx33> hehe
[05:55] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:55] <gnomefreak> you mean this isnt normal?
[05:55] <cbx33> i have proc mounted in the fstab
[05:55] <cbx33> but my chroot still isn't accessing the internet
[05:55] <cbx33> any ideas
[05:55] <cbx33> gnomefreak, I've never seen it
[05:56] <cbx33> ahhh
[05:56] <cbx33> think i got it
[05:57] <gnomefreak> doesnt seem so colorful the second time around :(
[05:57] <cbx33> i wanna see
[05:57] <cbx33> :(
[05:57] <ScottK> cbx33: I haven't had to change mounts when I did a chroot.
[05:57] <cbx33> it was my resolv.conf
[05:58] <gnomefreak> i forgot to log the build the first time so im doing it again so we will see if it gets pretty
[05:58] <ScottK> Ah
[05:58] <ScottK> So you have it working now?
[05:58] <cbx33> yup
[05:58] <ScottK> OK.
[05:59] <gnomefreak> ScottK: i dont know perl either
[05:59] <gnomefreak> people*
[05:59] <cbx33> gnomefreak, i'm curoius how are you/where are you building
[05:59] <gnomefreak> in pbuilder
[06:00] <cbx33> i don't get pretty colours
[06:00] <gnomefreak> wonders if i have a term log
[06:00] <cbx33> gnome/kde?
[06:00] <gnomefreak> gnome
[06:00] <cbx33> gnome-terminal?
[06:00] <gnomefreak> yes
[06:01] <cbx33> I don;t get pretty colours
[06:01] <cbx33> must be a shell thing
[06:01] <cbx33> i pbuild all the time
[06:01] <gnomefreak> it might be
[06:03] <gnomefreak> this time no colors
[06:04] <cbx33> are you pbuilding in feisty#?
[06:04] <gnomefreak> cbx33: yes
[06:04] <cbx33> ah
[06:04] <cbx33> maybe fesity pbuilder has colours
[06:05] <gnomefreak> next one i build we will find out. this one i hoping is for the most part done
[06:06] <cbx33> ok
[06:10] <imbrandon> i build in feisty and have no colours :(
[06:10] <imbrandon> anyhow bbiab
[06:13] <cbx33> gnomefreak, where did you get these pretty colours from
[06:13] <cbx33> we must fid out
[06:13] <gnomefreak> no sure
[06:13] <gnomefreak> maybe terminal settings
[06:13] <cbx33> it is my lifes mission
[06:13] <cbx33> u use standard
[06:13] <cbx33> gnome-terminal
[06:13] <cbx33> ?
[06:13] <gnomefreak> i dont think so
[06:13] <cbx33> oh what you use?
[06:13] <gnomefreak> ill post the conf
[06:14] <cbx33> heheh
[06:14] <cbx33> sorry
[06:14] <cbx33> just realluy interested
[06:14] <phanatic> hey coNP 
[06:15] <coNP> hey phanatic & all!
[06:16] <gnomefreak> cbx33: http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/338701
[06:16] <cbx33> thanks
[06:17] <gnomefreak> np
[06:18] <cbx33> though I can't see anything relating directly to pbuilder there
[06:18] <gnomefreak> nope 
[06:19] <cbx33> was it pbuider or make output ?
[06:20] <gnomefreak> it was pbuilder-feisty <command>
[06:21] <cbx33> is pbuilder-fesity an alias?
[06:21] <Nafallo> no, it's a small script
[06:22] <gnomefreak> its Laser's script iirc
[06:22] <cbx33> ahh
[06:22] <gnomefreak> someone care to tell me if this is bad? http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/338705
[06:22] <Nafallo> no
[06:22] <gnomefreak> those are ok?
[06:22] <Nafallo> it's included in pbuilder
[06:22] <gnomefreak> oh
[06:23] <Nafallo> /usr/share/doc/pbuilder/examples/ or so
[06:42] <imbrandon> gnomefreak, in other words delete debian/*.{ex,EX}
[06:42] <imbrandon> and fix your X build deps
[06:42] <gnomefreak> oh i can cool :)
[06:42] <imbrandon> ;)
[06:42] <gnomefreak> x build deps?
[06:42] <imbrandon> #
[06:42] <imbrandon> E: scribus-ng-debhelper source: build-depends-on-obsolete-package build-depends: xlibs-dev
[06:43] <imbrandon> #
[06:43] <imbrandon> N:
[06:43] <imbrandon> #
[06:43] <imbrandon> N:   The package build-depends on a package that has been superseded.
[06:43] <imbrandon> #
[06:43] <gnomefreak> ah ok i can work that out
[06:43] <imbrandon> N:
[06:43] <imbrandon> #
[06:43] <imbrandon> E: scribus-ng-debhelper source: build-depends-on-x-metapackage build-depends: xorg-dev
[06:43] <imbrandon> #
[06:43] <imbrandon> N:
[06:43] <imbrandon> #
[06:43] <imbrandon> N:   Packages must not build-depend on X Window System metapackages.
[06:43] <imbrandon> #
[06:43] <imbrandon> N:   
[06:43] <imbrandon> #
[06:43] <Nafallo> imbrandon: pastebin next time. oki?
[06:43] <imbrandon> N:   The metapackages xorg, xorg-dev, x-window-system, x-window-system-dev,
[06:43] <imbrandon> #
[06:43] <imbrandon> N:   and x-window-system-core exist only for the benefit of users and
[06:43] <imbrandon> #
[06:43] <imbrandon> N:   should not be used in package build dependencies.
[06:43] <imbrandon> #
[06:43] <imbrandon> N:errr
[06:43] <imbrandon> whoops
[06:44] <imbrandon> but yea , that ^^
[06:44] <Nafallo> :-P
[06:44] <gnomefreak> will look into it today ty :)
[07:17] <gnomefreak> well i dont see any depends errors :) its building so we shall see
[07:38] <gnomefreak> now i only have one warning. if someone gets time how do i fix this or does it need to be fixed at all? http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/338811
[07:39] <ScottK> Would you pastebind debian/changelog?
[07:40] <ScottK> *pastebin
[07:40] <ScottK> gnomefreak: ^^^
[07:44] <gnomefreak> yep
[07:45] <gnomefreak> http://gnomefreak.pastebin.ca/338820
[07:45] <gnomefreak> ScottK: thats the changlog :(
[07:46] <gnomefreak> i didnt know if i should add ubuntu's changelog to it
[07:46] <gnomefreak> oops that should be sat
[07:46] <gnomefreak> but i doubt that s the issue
[07:46] <crimsun> you're probably missing the orig.tar.gz
[07:47] <crimsun> where's the upstream tarball?
[07:47] <geser> gnomefreak: what's the filename for the orig.tar.gz?
[07:47] <gnomefreak> ah let me see
[07:48] <gnomefreak> its in the folder i made for building this and its called scribus-ng_1.3.3.7.dfsg.orig.tar.gz
[07:48] <gnomefreak> folder i made so i didnt clutter up ~/
[07:49] <crimsun> that's precisely why you're getting the error.
[07:49] <crimsun> note the name of the source package in debian/changelog
[07:49] <crimsun> then compare that with the name of your orig.tar.gz
[07:50] <gnomefreak> but the guide told me to add -debhelper to it
[07:50] <gnomefreak> oh the -1
[07:50] <gnomefreak> ok removed the -1 from the end is that all?
[07:50] <crimsun> no, it's the part in the orig.tar.gz before the _
[07:51] <crimsun> your changelog entry uses scribus-ng-debhelper
[07:51] <gnomefreak> k
[07:51] <crimsun> therefore your orig.tar.gz must be named scribus-ng-debhelper_1.3.3.7.dfsg.orig.tar.gz
[07:51] <crimsun> I'm not convinced, however, that's what you want. What are you attempting?
[07:51] <gnomefreak> ok can i just rename it?
[07:52] <crimsun> Are you generating a new binary package from the scribus-ng source package?
[07:52] <gnomefreak> bulding this package since ours is a lower version
[07:52] <gnomefreak> yes
[07:52] <crimsun> ok, so no, you're not generating a new binary package from the scribus-ng source package; instead you're generating a newer upstream version of the source package.
[07:52] <gnomefreak> oh thats not good
[07:53] <crimsun> I'm pretty certain that's what you want, in fact.
[07:53] <crimsun> however--
[07:54] <geser> gnomefreak: take the current package in Ubuntu and uupdate to the new upstream version
[07:54] <gnomefreak> so instead of building it in debian dir build it in ubuntu dir?
[07:54] <crimsun> if you're targeting feisty, use what geser stated, or (and this is preferred) file a sync request against feisty's current scribus-ng source package requesting a sync from Debian unstable/main
[07:55] <gnomefreak> i thought that was only for merges
[07:55] <geser> Debian has a newer version?
[07:55] <geser> than sync from it
[07:56] <crimsun> use https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/scribus-ng/+filebug , and follow https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html
[07:56] <crimsun> afterward, subscribe the ubuntu-universe-sponsors LP team
[07:57] <gnomefreak> k
[08:04] <gnomefreak> they want the changelog in the ubuntu debian dir. right?
[08:06] <geser> for the sync request?
[08:06] <gnomefreak> yes
[08:07] <geser> copy all new changelog entries (from the Debian package) after 1.3.3.6.dfsg-1
[08:07] <gnomefreak> there wasnt any
[08:07] <geser> http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/scribus-ng/current/changelog
[08:07] <gnomefreak> come to this about it there had to be
[08:08] <gnomefreak> ty
[08:08] <geser> you need to copy the changelog entry for 1.3.3.7.dfsg-1
[08:08] <gnomefreak> ah oops
[08:11] <geser> that's the only one after the version which is currently in feisty
[08:12] <geser> you may want to test in a pbuilder if the package from Debian builds on Ubuntu
[08:12] <gnomefreak> i had it already just had to look for it
[08:14] <gnomefreak> its done. i uploaded the whole file just incase they needed more
[08:16] <Adri2000> geser: can you look at this sync request https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/opencv/+bug/83086 ? there is an ubuntu change to drop, but I think we should rather keep it, what do you think?
[08:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83086 in opencv "[Sync Request]  opencv (1.0.0-1) from debian experimental/main to universe" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  
[08:17] <geser> currenty looking at it
[08:18] <Adri2000> the change is:
[08:18] <Adri2000> -Replaces: python2.3-opencv (<= 0.9.7-3)
[08:18] <Adri2000> +Replaces: python2.3-opencv (<= 0.9.7-3), python2.4-opencv (<= 0.9.7-3)
[08:18] <Adri2000> and same with Conflicts:
[08:22] <geser> Adri2000: it needs to be merged
[08:39] <geser> gnomefreak: you should add the *new* changelog entry not the ones we already have
[08:39] <geser> gnomefreak: I've added the missing parts and ACKed it
[08:52] <ajmitch> morning
[08:52] <geser> hi ajmitch 
[10:37] <gnomefreak> thank you geser 
[10:40] <geser> np
[10:41] <Adri2000> geser: I will upload the opencv merge, ok?
[10:47] <Adri2000> and also, I will upload mozilla-stumbleupon (merge)
[10:48] <geser> Adri2000: it's ok with me
[11:17] <LaserJock> sure is busy around here
[11:34] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[11:35] <geser> hi TheMuso 
[11:38] <LaserJock> hi TheMuso 
[11:38] <TheMuso> Hey LaserJock. Was the conference successful?
[11:42] <LaserJock> pretty much
[11:43] <LaserJock> people seemed to like my poster ok
[11:43] <LaserJock> and I got some potential postdoc contacts
[12:06] <nixternal> LaserJock: latex question for you
[12:06] <nixternal> in order to fix this bug for Plucker documentation, it has to build .tex files
[12:06] <nixternal> and also in the configure.in I noticed latex2html
[12:07] <nixternal> if I was to depend on latex2html it in turn depends on tetex*.
[12:08] <nixternal> and this will build out the tex files. do you know of any "shortcuts" as the tetex-* downloads are fairly large
[12:08] <nixternal> for a depend
[12:08] <nixternal> actually, probably wouldn't be so bad but the us.archive suck for me