[12:47] <MagicFab> hi sorry to bother. I have abuse on a loco team channel and their op is not there
[12:47] <MagicFab> repeat cursing in #ubuntu-lat
[12:47] <nalioth> no ops?
[12:48] <MagicFab> their op is out
[12:48] <nalioth> somerville32: no habla espanol?
[12:48] <somerville32> no babla espanol :)
[12:48] <MagicFab> well, llok for mierda and anal
[12:49] <MagicFab> [g3o]  and [GuS] 
[12:49] <nalioth> MagicFab: yo habla poquito espanol
[12:49] <nalioth> and somerville32 doesn't need an education starting with those words   :D
[12:50] <MagicFab> defecar = go take a shit
[12:50] <nalioth> yes, i know.
[12:50] <Music_Shuffle> Well, technically, the vete is the 'you go' part of that
[12:50] <MagicFab> tx
[12:51] <nalioth> i only speak Tex-Mex, so have to think a bit on what i'm seeing , but i get the picture  :)
[12:52] <MagicFab> tx., I think hey got it.
[12:54] <MagicFab> so, this [GuS]  guy is back. I can't spend much time on it, I am on shift @ canonical support.
[12:54] <nalioth> i'll keep an eye out
[12:56] <MagicFab> kthx
[01:59] <apokryphos> weird, no idea what happened with the channel. I definitely set +if (and of course, people wouldn't have instantly been thrown into -effects if that wasn't the case). Oh well
[02:00] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: you need access 25
[02:00] <gnomefreak> oh for setting guard atleast
[02:00] <apokryphos> that doesn't have anything to do with it though
[02:01] <apokryphos> if it's +i, then no-one can join
[02:01] <apokryphos> how come?
[02:01] <gnomefreak> too hard
[02:01] <gnomefreak> way too hard
[02:01] <apokryphos> I see
[02:01] <gnomefreak> no debian dir.
[02:06] <LjL> ok a bit too many of these now
[02:06] <LjL> the ones i've seen were all 88.232
[02:06] <LjL> so, highlight time
[02:07] <Hobbsee> SportChick: freenode staffers
[02:07] <apokryphos> SportChick: there's a lot of spammers in ubuntu channels
[02:07] <apokryphos> #ubuntu and #kubuntu
[02:08] <SportChick> aha
[02:08] <apokryphos> well, there's been a few. Posting... pornography I guess.
[02:08] <LjL> tonyyarusso: do you think yipe wants a cookie?
[02:08] <tonyyarusso> LjL: maybe
[02:08] <apokryphos> and #kubuntu-offtopic -- weird
[02:08] <tonyyarusso> c'mon...stick with the food now
[02:08] <LjL> apokryphos: yeah they actually *started* there
[02:09] <LjL> tonyyarusso: heh yeah
[02:09] <apokryphos> who even knows about that channel? :/
[02:09] <tonyyarusso> yeah really
[02:09] <LjL> apokryphos: probably using some script that just chooses random channels..
[02:09] <SportChick> there are two staffers online - feel free to ping one of us if you see someone doing it - I'm not watching every channel, but will respond to a ping
[02:09] <tonyyarusso> And the didn't hit #ubuntu-offtopic, the one that actually has traffic.
[02:09] <tonyyarusso> *they
[02:10] <SportChick> apokryphos: any consistency in the spammers' nicks?
[02:10] <LjL> SportChick: no, but the IPs all begin with 88.232 from what i've seen now, and the message is always the same
[02:11] <tonyyarusso> Yeah, just the ip and message, not nick
[02:11] <SportChick> ljl will you paste one to me?
[02:11] <SportChick> join/nick/message?
[02:11] <LjL> SportChick: oh, and the realname seems to be "-" in at least two cases
[02:11] <LjL> SportChick: sure hold on
[02:11] <SportChick> thanks
[02:12] <apokryphos> ok, off to bed, see you
[02:13] <LjL> they seem to be doing it manually
[02:13] <LjL> at least judging from the fact the number of "::::" and "..." isn't consistent
[02:14] <LjL> (in the spam message that is)
[02:28] <LjL> !vmware
[02:28] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"). For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[02:28] <LjL> !no vmware is <reply> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware
[02:28] <ubotu> I'll remember that, LjL
[03:45] <effie_jayx> jenda, ping
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> I thought we had a ban on him from before...
[04:23] <willys_fueguino> Night everyone ;-)
[04:25] <elkbuntu> willys_fueguino is here for guidance in running a channel. currently he ops for #ubuntu-lat. i believe he might need some advice on how to counter trolls, that doesnt involve forwarding an ubuntu namespace channel out of the ubuntu namespace
[04:26] <tonyyarusso> Why forwarding rather than banning?  what sorts of trolls?
[04:27] <elkbuntu> willys_fueguino, will you talk with tonyyarusso?
[04:27] <Minataku> Well, if they're trolling in English I can help out
[04:27] <willys_fueguino> yes...
[04:27] <willys_fueguino> I'm thinking how to say it
[04:27] <Minataku> Otherwise I have the critical difficulty of not understanding what they're saying
[04:28] <Minataku> lol
[04:28] <willys_fueguino> (I'm pretty nervous)
[04:28] <willys_fueguino> Well the problem was..
[04:28] <willys_fueguino> #ubuntu-lat is a sort of support + offtopic channel...
[04:28] <willys_fueguino> and sometimes
[04:29] <Minataku> My channel protection style isn't the typical Freenode style, either, but that really just serves to increase my efficiency
[04:29] <Hobbsee> Minataku: *grin* - if they're in all caps, that's probably an indication that they're flaming.  or spamming
[04:29] <willys_fueguino> we use to say bad words... it's a normal thing over there...
[04:29] <tonyyarusso> "used to" I hope is key there.
[04:29] <willys_fueguino> We managed the channel that way for 6 months +
[04:30] <willys_fueguino> But now...
[04:30] <SportChick> wn8
[04:30] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, not really with the spanish speakers
[04:30] <willys_fueguino> mm...
[04:30] <Minataku> Hobbsee: Not necessarily, I use caps when I'm actually yelling about something, for example
[04:30] <willys_fueguino> The channel users don't respect the CoC
[04:31] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: good point
[04:31] <Minataku> Like "WAIT! STOP! DON'T DO THAT!"
[04:31] <tonyyarusso> willys_fueguino: majority or a handful?
[04:31] <willys_fueguino> So as we have troubles with that...
[04:31] <willys_fueguino> tonyyarusso: almost *everyone*
[04:31] <willys_fueguino> so...
[04:31] <willys_fueguino> now I'm forwarding the channel to another one...
[04:32] <Minataku> Ah, yes, the new "namespace" thing
[04:32] <willys_fueguino> where the ubuntu CoC isn't respected...
[04:32] <willys_fueguino> It's not ubuntu named
[04:32] <willys_fueguino> (##libre)
[04:32] <Minataku> Freenode is a rather bizarre network when traditional IRC practices are involved
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> Forwarding the entire channel, or users?
[04:32] <willys_fueguino> Well...
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee
[04:32] <willys_fueguino> the entire channel
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> Minataku: (that's why I like it)
[04:32] <tonyyarusso> hmm
[04:32] <Minataku> tonyyarusso: lol
[04:33] <Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser
[04:33] <willys_fueguino> so..
[04:33] <willys_fueguino> This is a "temporary" solution...
[04:33] <Minataku> I can't stand it, I walk into a channel with no ops and I think "Something is up here"
[04:33] <tonyyarusso> lol
[04:33] <Minataku> Then I have to remind myself that this is Freenode and up is down and so on
[04:33] <Minataku> XD
[04:34] <Amaranth> Minataku: freenode isn't really an "IRC network"
[04:34] <willys_fueguino> So the  channel users are forwarded to that channel so they become aware of the situation....
[04:34] <Amaranth> it's a communication system for open source users and developers that happens to use the IRC protocol :)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: you forgot the <pedant> and </pedant> tags there
[04:35] <Minataku> lol
[04:35] <willys_fueguino> many of them doesn't like rules and that's what make the channel "friendly"
[04:35] <willys_fueguino> (at least for us)
[04:35] <willys_fueguino> So..
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> willys_fueguino: Okay; I'd suggest no longer forwarding the entire channel.  banforward all of you current users if you like, but I'd take off the channel one.
[04:35] <Minataku> Yes, yes, I remember lilo and his somewhat confusing ways very well, rest his awesome soul
[04:35] <tonyyarusso> That way, if a new person shows up, they'll get into a sparsely populated but respectful channel, rather than the madhouse.
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> Keep an eye on the madhouse, and if there are users that look sane, unban them and /invite them back.
[04:36] <willys_fueguino> tonyyarusso: I wouln't say that's a "madhouse"
[04:36] <tonyyarusso> Enforce strictly to maintain the cleaned room.
[04:36] <willys_fueguino> XDD
[04:36] <Minataku> Just remember that looks can be decieving
[04:36] <elkbuntu> Minataku, the ban can be reinstated as easily as it was removed ;)
[04:36] <willys_fueguino> then... 1 set a topic that reflects the situation
[04:37] <Minataku> For example, I may seem at times like a perfectly sane and well-adjusted individual
[04:37] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[04:37] <Minataku> LjL and Jucato could attest otherwise
[04:37] <Minataku> lol
[04:37] <willys_fueguino> 2 let the users know that the temporary channel is ##libre
[04:37] <Amaranth> Minataku: I'm thinking you're taking this conversation in a direction you won't enjoy.
[04:37] <willys_fueguino> 3 Stop forwarding the users....
[04:37] <willys_fueguino> Would that be correct?
[04:37] <Minataku> Amaranth: Well, if you can't rag on yourself then you _really_ have a problem, right?
[04:38] <tonyyarusso> willys_fueguino: stop forwarding _some_ users - let the good ones stay, but keep the rabble elsewhere.
[04:39] <willys_fueguino> tonyyarusso: I'm leting go #ubuntu-lat
[04:41] <willys_fueguino> tonyyarusso: and the channel owner and the others one will too
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> willys_fueguino: 'k
[04:41] <tonyyarusso> willys_fueguino: no need to carry the +o usually, 'specially with a script
[04:42] <willys_fueguino> tonyyarusso: hahah I forgot I had the +o
[04:42] <willys_fueguino> XDD
[04:42] <willys_fueguino> (I'm not used to carry that)
[04:43] <willys_fueguino> tonyyarusso: I'm forwarding everyone 'cause the biggest number of our users were there because of the regulations we had...
[04:43] <willys_fueguino> We are EXTREMELY flexible on rules...
[04:44] <willys_fueguino> We don't like bans...
[04:44] <willys_fueguino> but if it has to be done...
[04:44] <willys_fueguino> we do it.
[04:44] <somerville32> willys_fueguino, If you want to be flexible, then thats ok
[04:44] <somerville32> willys_fueguino, Just make sure people respect the CoC though
[04:44] <willys_fueguino> But when we think that's necesary
[04:44] <gnomefreak> win 18
[04:44] <gnomefreak> oops
[04:44] <Minataku> If I have a +o I carry it all the time, it's good to have the show of authority sometimes
[04:45] <willys_fueguino> somerville32: But to stop having problems like this.. We are going to another channel temporarily where users don't HAVE to respect the ubunteros CoC
[04:45] <somerville32> willys_fueguino, There is no need to force everyone there
[04:46] <willys_fueguino> somerville32: mm... good point...
[04:47] <effie_jayx> willys_fueguino,  I thing ou are inviting them to act up a bit...
[04:48] <willys_fueguino> "act up"??
[04:48] <effie_jayx> If I were to have a channel wehre the topic reads something like... "Here be Bad Words and Cursing and mature talk, Beware"
[04:49] <effie_jayx> you can open a space for it.. .yes... but don't encourage it...
[04:49] <willys_fueguino> effie_jayx: that's a warning to "under-age" users...
[04:49] <effie_jayx> yes
[04:50] <effie_jayx> but a white letter for the others...
[04:50] <willys_fueguino> mm... I don't think the guys on the channel consider that like "that"..
[04:51] <willys_fueguino> anyway... being a "offtopic" channel...
[04:51] <effie_jayx> willys_fueguino,  just my opinion...
[04:51] <effie_jayx> check the ubuntu-offtopic channel...
[04:51] <willys_fueguino> *it's
[04:51] <willys_fueguino> effie... not "oficial" ubuntu channel...
[04:51] <effie_jayx> willys_fueguino,  true..
[04:52] <willys_fueguino> effie_jayx: like an GNU/linux opinions channel
[04:52] <effie_jayx> willys_fueguino,  mmkey... it was just an opinion...
[04:52] <Minataku> Yarr... there be bad words and cursing and mature talk ahead, beware, ye scurvy dog
[04:52] <Minataku> Sorry, couldn't resist
[04:52] <willys_fueguino> XDDD
[04:53] <willys_fueguino> well... We're moving temporarily the #ubuntu.lat community to a non-related channel
[04:59] <mefistofeles> so... let me get this straight... by using the word "ubuntu" (for example) we have no choice but to follow their rules?
[04:59] <willys_fueguino> *their CoC
[04:59] <mefistofeles> so it's not much free as in freedom hehe
[04:59] <effie_jayx> mefistofeles, "the coc is supposed to be abided even if not signed, because it is what structures the community atmosphere"
[04:59] <tonyyarusso> mefistofeles: Sure it is.  It's just not free as in "do whatever random disrespectful and immature stuff you want".
[05:00] <effie_jayx> mefistofeles,  a friend tought me that
[05:00] <elkbuntu> mefistofeles, it is more a case that if a channel is not going to abide by the Ubuntu CoC, it shouldnt be a channel representing part of the Ubuntu community
[05:01] <elkbuntu> and as jono once said, the CoC basically says 'dont be an idiot'
[05:01] <willys_fueguino> lol!
[05:02] <willys_fueguino> mmmm...
[05:02] <elkbuntu> except he used 'twat' instead of idiot, but im not sure how well that translates across
[05:02] <willys_fueguino> me neither elkbuntu :-S
[05:02] <mefistofeles> wait
[05:02] <mefistofeles> I read :P
[05:02] <elkbuntu> willys_fueguino, it's another word for female genitalia ;)
[05:02] <willys_fueguino> "it is what structures the community atmosphere" ==> not entirely truth
[05:02] <MagicFab> elkbuntu, someone is actually asking if the mere use of the Ubuntu name ina channel name is enough to have it "covered" by the CoC
[05:02] <willys_fueguino> elkbuntu: lol!!! XDDDD
[05:03] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  the d word works fine
[05:03] <MagicFab> and for reference, the answer is "Canonical asks nicely": https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[05:03] <mefistofeles> elkbuntu: well... so..if I make a channel with the word ubuntu on it..Im then inside the ubuntu community right?
[05:03] <MagicFab> "When participating in Ubuntu IRC channels, please abide by the [WWW]  Code of Conduct."
[05:03] <mefistofeles> we (as users of #ubuntu-lat) were never taken into account as ubuntu members
[05:03] <tonyyarusso> mefistofeles: yes.
[05:03] <mefistofeles> well not until today
[05:04] <elkbuntu> mefistofeles, it's not as in Member, but rather participant
[05:04] <mefistofeles> or ubuntu community...dont know what's the exact word
[05:04] <mefistofeles> elkbuntu: yeah..that
[05:05] <mefistofeles> ok... well I think I got this clear now
[05:05] <MagicFab> ah, so mefistofeles was here - sorry, didn't notice
[05:05] <mefistofeles> MagicFab: heh np
[05:05] <willys_fueguino> hahahah
[05:06] <mefistofeles> on the other hand
[05:06] <mefistofeles> how is freenode's CoC facing ubuntu's CoC?
[05:06] <mefistofeles> hmm..how to ask hmm
[05:06] <mefistofeles> I mean... ubuntu's CoC cant "break" freenode's CoC..right?
[05:06] <tonyyarusso> Freenode is a little bit broader, but still applies.  It's on freenode.net, I believe under "policies"
[05:06] <elkbuntu> mefistofeles, of course not
[05:07] <mefistofeles> yeah... ok...thats good
[05:07] <elkbuntu> mefistofeles, the ubuntu irc guidelines just takes the freenode policy a bit further
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Madpilot
[05:08] <mefistofeles> elkbuntu: ok...
[05:08] <Madpilot> hi Kamping_Kaiser
[05:08] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[05:09] <mefistofeles> this may spund silly....what about something called... madbuntu or something like that?
[05:09] <mefistofeles> will ubuntu's CoC apply to them?
[05:10] <elkbuntu> mefistofeles, not sure
[05:10] <mefistofeles> or take for example...fluxbuntu
[05:10] <mefistofeles> thats a better choice
[05:10] <mefistofeles> elkbuntu: hehe ok..I got to read the policies
[05:10] <mefistofeles> just wondering
[05:16] <mefistofeles> got another question :S heh
[05:16] <mefistofeles> is there a way to have a channel with "ubuntu" in the title and not being involved with ubuntu's CoC ... like putting in the topic "This channel is not supported by ubuntu" or anything like that
[05:17] <mefistofeles> we dont want to loose the channel..but we dont agree with ubuntu's CoC
[05:18] <mefistofeles> I may have to ask this to freenode's staff heh
[05:19] <effie_jayx> mefistofeles,  what in the CoC is not to your liking?
[05:19] <mefistofeles> effie_jayx: well for example the so called "bad words" in channel
[05:19] <tonyyarusso> LjL's theory just died.
[05:20] <tonyyarusso> SportChick: New host: @24-151-18-087.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com
[05:20] <effie_jayx> the ... be respectthere is nothing of that... there is a more general clause in the ubuntu CoC
[05:20] <effie_jayx> it is
[05:20] <effie_jayx> Be respectful
[05:20] <effie_jayx> that's all...
[05:20] <mefistofeles> well this problem started cuz of someone saying "mierda" in a channel ... heh
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> SportChick: nvm, ignore that.  I mistyped.  It was actually another 88.232.  You can leave that host alone.  :S
[05:21] <mefistofeles> thats "shit" for enlgish...
[05:21] <effie_jayx> did he offend anyone? directly
[05:21] <mefistofeles> not at all
[05:21] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: I'm beginning to wonder about banning 88.232.* - we've had these all day.
[05:21] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: yeah, he happened to do that just after i op'd...nice coincidence
[05:22] <Hobbsee> would probably make sense - depending on who else is using that hostmask
[05:22] <mefistofeles> Im going to make an example..I hope it works
[05:22] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: any way to check that?
[05:22] <mefistofeles> for example... "I lost my wallet" - "oh shit!"
[05:22] <Hobbsee> i thought /who 88.232.* would
[05:22] <Hobbsee> [15:22]  [Who]  C|zZZz is n=asura@88.232.72.14 (gaim)
[05:22] <Hobbsee> [15:22]  [Who]  End of /WHO list for 88.232.*
[05:22] <mefistofeles> that kind of "shit" was lol
[05:23] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Doesn't look familiar, so I doubt they'll come by anyway.
[05:23] <effie_jayx> mefistofeles, mmm I see... but someone surely got offended...
[05:24] <mefistofeles> well Magicfab warned him because of that... and som,e other...dont remember the nick banned another for saying that as well
[05:24] <mefistofeles> and in our own channel..they just took over the channel without notifying the admins
[05:25] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: I think I'm going to.  *sigh*
[05:25] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: heh, smart
[05:26] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: It can just be *!*@88.232.*, right?  doesn't need to be *!*@88.232.*.* or anything silly?
[05:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, first is ok
[05:26] <tonyyarusso> good
[05:26] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: first is fine, iirc
[05:26] <Hobbsee> bf them to here
[05:27] <tonyyarusso> you sure you want that?
[05:28] <Hobbsee> what about any false positives?
[05:28] <tonyyarusso> I'm thinking.
[05:31] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: Okay, it's a Turkish ISP.  #1, we have very few Turkish users, #2, they won't be in the English channel, #3, that just seems like a suspicious place to be coming from IP-wise : my conclusion, the cost/benefit analysis of a false positive or two versus just spamming this channel instead is probably worth it for the 24 or 48 hours.
[05:31] <Minataku> Another one from 88.232
[05:32] <Minataku> [23:28:57]  * Boo1 (n=Boo1@88.232.72.20) has joined #kubuntu (Spammed and left)
[05:32] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: cool, excellent
[05:32] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: do anywhere you have ops and I don't I think...
[05:34] <Hobbsee> i cant in -motu or -meeting
[05:34] <Hobbsee> done the rest though
[05:34] <Hobbsee> got k-o too
[05:35] <tonyyarusso> good stuff
[05:37] <mneptok> oho!
[05:37] <Hobbsee> mneptok!!!!
[05:37] <mneptok> the #ubuntu-lat conversation has started
[05:38] <mneptok> H to the O to the B to the B to the S to the E to the E!
[05:38] <elkbuntu> the thought of you in cheerleader garb has the ability to scar
[05:38] <Hobbsee> hahahhaha
[05:38] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:38] <effie_jayx> lol
[05:39] <mneptok> *\o*\  /*o/*  *\o/*
[05:39] <tonyyarusso> gah
[05:40] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, Hobbsee you guys think it's bad? I've met him, i have a more realistic mental image
[05:40] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: hehe, at least I don't have a visual
[05:40] <joejaxx> lol mneptok
[05:41] <elkbuntu> joejaxx, knows my pain!
[05:41] <effie_jayx> elkbuntu,  XD
[05:41] <joejaxx> elkbuntu: hahaha
[05:41] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: no wonder you went crazy....
[05:41] <mneptok> ohjeez. it's joejaxx.
[05:42] <mneptok> he's wunna them Negro footbahll playuhs. y'all know whut THAY-YUH lahk.
[05:42] <elkbuntu> hearing mneptok describing that would have to have been the funniest thing that whole week
[05:43] <mneptok> it was .... surreal.
[05:43] <mneptok> i about had to tie joejaxx to his seat to keep him from punching the guy in the yarbles, while laughing.
[05:43] <elkbuntu> i wish i could have been there, alas, i was busy yelling at the other bus driver for wanting to take us to that other place
[05:44] <mneptok> which, in hindsight, might have been cool. a homocide committed while laughing.
[05:44] <elkbuntu> mneptok, he'd be a perfect candidate for The Joker in the next batman incarnation
[05:45] <mneptok> but then joejaxx would be in jail, which wouldn't be so cool, i s'pose. at least not for him.
[05:45] <Amaranth> mneptok doesn't look scary
[05:45] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, nah, not compared to you
[05:45] <effie_jayx> lol
[05:46] <effie_jayx> it could read you guys forever
[05:46] <mneptok> MAH WAHF YEWZED T'BE A MAY'YUN!
[05:46] <Hobbsee> !u
[05:46] <ubotu> Unless you're Dutch, the letter 'U' is not a pronoun.  If you want to be taken more seriously, please bother to type out the extra letters in "you".  The same goes for "why", "because", "anyone", and so on..
[05:46] <Amaranth> mneptok: although i gotta say, you're the kind of guy that would look natural holding a chainsaw
[05:46] <mneptok> Amaranth: which end?
[05:47] <Amaranth> depends, did you bring me flowers?
[05:47] <mneptok> uhhh ... yes?
[05:47] <Amaranth> alright, you can hold the handle
[05:47] <mneptok> brb. gotta go buy .... ummm .... Twizzlers.
[05:49] <Amaranth> I can see it now, mneptok flying down the road on one of those super-scooters wielding a chainsaw
[05:49] <elkbuntu> Amaranth, in cheerleader garb
[05:49] <Amaranth> totally
[05:50] <Amaranth> it's bring it own meets fast and the furious meets texas chainsaw massacre
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> err...
[05:50] <tonyyarusso> -offtopic seems to have become the site of marriage proposals now.  weirdos
[05:51] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:51] <Amaranth> that reminds me, can someone add me to !ops?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> in which channel?
[05:52] <Amaranth> all the ubuntu ones
[05:52] <Amaranth> i thought #ubuntu-* shared a factoid
[05:53] <Hobbsee> didnt think so
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> !ops-#ubuntu-offtopic
[05:53] <tonyyarusso> argh
[05:54] <tonyyarusso> ...
[05:54] <tonyyarusso> !-offtopic-#ubuntu-offtopic
[05:54] <ubotu> offtopic-#ubuntu-offtopic is <alias> offtopic4offtopic - added by Mez on 2007-01-22 02:20:08
[05:55] <Amaranth> !find ops
[05:55] <ubotu> Found: libatomic-ops-dev, autopsy, cheops, cheops-ng, freepops (and 5 others)
[05:55] <Amaranth> bleh, not what i wanted
[05:55] <Seeker`> does that just find people with "ops" in their name?
[05:55] <tonyyarusso> Looks like namespaces DO share them.  So the regular !ops is the one he wants.
[05:57] <tonyyarusso> Amaranth, Hobbsee: done
[05:57] <Hobbsee> ah right
[05:57] <Amaranth> thanks
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> Seeker`, packages
[05:59] <Seeker`> 5am is too early :S
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[05:59] <effie_jayx> nalioth, I want contrl in ubuntu-lat
[06:00] <effie_jayx> I can op that channel
[06:00] <Seeker`> however, its spread over 5 cds, and they make you use a horrible downloader, which is prone to failing
[06:00] <effie_jayx> they are moking the staffers there...
[06:00] <Seeker`> and i can only download overnight so i dont annoy housemates
[06:01] <Seeker`> so i need to check on the downloads regularly :(
[06:01] <Minataku> Seeker`: You should be klined for that
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> Seeker`, and your telling us...
[06:02] <Minataku> Seeker`: If you're dependent on XP, do NOT upgrade to Vista
[06:02] <Minataku> It kills your XP key
[06:02] <Seeker`> Minataku: I've got a spare hard drive to install it on. And it isn't an upgrade version.
[06:02] <Minataku> Seeker`: Either way, you're a fool for doing it in the first place
[06:03] <Seeker`> Minataku: I dont want to label something as rubbish unless I have tried it myself
[06:03] <Minataku> Seeker`: You can't take the word of credible organizations such as the EFF, FSF and GNU?
[06:04] <elkbuntu> Minataku, please behave
[06:04] <Seeker`> Minataku: I would like to see what it is like for myself, and i have an empty 80G hard drive in my computer
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> i thought he/she was
[06:04] <Minataku> He, and I am
[06:05] <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, calling someone stupid for wanting to get first hand experience is not very nice
[06:05] <elkbuntu> s/stupid/a fool/
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm not going to argue the point, suffice to say i agree installing vista to decide you dont like it seems silly to me
[06:06] <Minataku> Sorry, that was out of line
[06:06] <Minataku> But I just can't imagine installing Vista for any reason other than the computer belonging to my archenemy
[06:07] <Minataku> Which is where I said
[06:07] <Minataku> Seeker`: You can't take the word of credible organizations such as the EFF, FSF and GNU?
[06:07] <elkbuntu> lets stop this now before it gets ugly
[06:08] <Seeker`> ok
[06:08] <elkbuntu> Minataku, that's the bandwagon he's talking about
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[06:13] <Minataku> Seeker`: Sorry for getting bent out of shape and insulting you
[06:13] <Seeker`> Minataku: Thats ok. I can understand where you are coming from
[06:13] <Minataku> :3
[06:13] <Minataku> Night
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> sleep well
[06:14] <Seeker`> night
[06:26] <SportChick> tonyyarusso: sorry i wasn't here at the time, anyway
[06:26] <effie_jayx> ok
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> SportChick: 'tis okay - probably better that way since I was wrong anyway!
[06:26] <effie_jayx> here is the deal.. and stop me if I am overreacting...
[06:26] <effie_jayx> :D
[06:26] <SportChick> hehe
[06:27] <SportChick> tonyyarusso: no worries :)
[06:28] <effie_jayx> the channel ubuntu-lat is nt happy about ops being there... they have laughed at you and have decided to hang aorund another channel while you are there
[06:28] <effie_jayx> they will return once they are gone...
[06:29] <effie_jayx> I meant to say
[06:29] <effie_jayx> YOU are gone
[06:29] <effie_jayx> :S
[06:29] <effie_jayx> I just thought you might have missed that ... got lost in translation or something...
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: you talking to me?
[06:32] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  I just wanted to check
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: I'm in ##libre, not #ubuntu-lat anyway
[06:32] <effie_jayx> nope...
[06:33] <effie_jayx> they moved to a new one
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> haha
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> I should just follow and see how far they go.
[06:33] <effie_jayx> #net-room
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> (Undernet?  ;)  )
[06:33] <effie_jayx> they are on freenode...
[06:33] <effie_jayx> but the thing is in the mean time
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> for now :P
[06:34] <effie_jayx> there are good people in the channel that are being affected by their behavior
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[06:34] <effie_jayx> and evetually they will loose the channel
[06:35] <effie_jayx> just because the ops where not doing what they were supposed to
[06:35] <ubotu> In #kubuntu, Minataku said: !DRM is Digital Restrictions Management; read about it at defectivebydesign.org
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> so invite the good people back to the real one.
[06:35] <effie_jayx> it's late night in south america
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> aargh
[06:35] <effie_jayx> the larks will log to the channel and find confusion
[06:35] <effie_jayx> that 's tomorrow morning
[06:36] <willys_fueguino> yes tonyyarusso?
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: /invited willy if you want to talk to him about it for a bit.
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> willys_fueguino: ^^
[06:36] <effie_jayx> hey willys_fueguino ...
[06:36] <effie_jayx> listen I am not satisfied at all with the resolution of things in ubuntu-lat
[06:37] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  willys_fueguino  can't do a thing... he is not an admin anymore
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> ohp
[06:37] <effie_jayx> willys_fueguino,  as you know I have always been supportive
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: so you're right.  Okay, well discuss generally, and we'll see about technical access later.
[06:38] <willys_fueguino> effie_jayx: yes you were/are
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> Seveas, nalioth: ping
[06:38] <effie_jayx> willys_fueguino,  I am
[06:38] <effie_jayx> I long every day
[06:39] <willys_fueguino> effie_jayx: I'm not an op ther anymore...
[06:39] <effie_jayx> ok
[06:39] <willys_fueguino> effie_jayx: but I'll discuss those things on a meeting today
[06:39] <willys_fueguino> You are ALL invited...
[06:39] <effie_jayx> please voice my complaint...
[06:39] <effie_jayx> I am not acting as an op of an ubuntu channel
[06:40] <effie_jayx> I am talking as a regular user of ubuntu-lat
[06:40] <willys_fueguino> effie_jayx: I'll voice your complaint...
[06:41] <willys_fueguino> effie_jayx: but I think that if you could be there it would be better
[06:41] <effie_jayx> willys_fueguino,  it is important to consider that when redirecting you did not ask your users if they wanted to be redirected... and I am totally against "Libertinaje" ... rather than Libertad....
[06:42] <willys_fueguino> effie_jayx: mm... guess than I understand you now...
[06:42] <willys_fueguino> (I'm kind of anarchic)
[06:42] <willys_fueguino> bah I don't know how to spell that
[06:42] <effie_jayx> willys_fueguino, and I'm too mucho of a goodie goodie
[06:42] <effie_jayx> thanks tonyyarusso
[06:42] <willys_fueguino> spanglish?? LOL!!!
[06:43] <effie_jayx> typo ;)
[06:44] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: Hopefully this gets taken care of soon
[06:44] <willys_fueguino> effie_jayx: It's not something personal against our users, as you would know, many of them agree with my thoughts
[06:44] <effie_jayx> willys_fueguino,  please let me know the time and date of the meeting an I will surely be there...
[06:44] <effie_jayx> willys_fueguino,  many ... but all?
[06:44] <effie_jayx> willys_fueguino,  and believe me... it is not personal...
[06:45] <willys_fueguino> effie_jayx: it's at 20 PM argentinian time... /msg Smeagol [time]  for checking the local hour over here...
[06:45] <willys_fueguino> many of them != all...
[06:46] <willys_fueguino> That's why I disabled the forwarding...
[06:46] <effie_jayx> and I apreciate it greatly
[06:46] <willys_fueguino> tonyyarusso maded me change my mind bout that
[06:47] <effie_jayx> now... the fact that the staffers where in the channel and your community moked was not nice either
[06:47] <effie_jayx> and not smart at all...
[06:59] <willys_fueguino> well I'll leave now... excuse me
[07:05] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  ping
[07:06] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: pong
[07:06] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  did you get to read my request...
[07:06] <effie_jayx> ?
[07:06] <tonyyarusso> which would that be?
[07:06] <tonyyarusso> (ie, probably, but can't keep everything straight atm)
[07:07] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  op at ubuntu-lat... but I take it back...
[07:07] <effie_jayx> I don't need more trouble... let them deal with their problems...
[07:07] <effie_jayx> I was but a mere user there... offering help
[07:07] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: I don't have the authority to grant that anyway.
[07:08] <tonyyarusso> You could potentially get ops and use them only sometimes of course.
[07:08] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  I know
[07:08] <effie_jayx> but if it ever comes up... becuase I did ask for it... just say .. I am not interested
[07:09] <effie_jayx> willy:fenguino has told me the channel is not waht it was...
[07:09] <tonyyarusso> okay
[07:09] <effie_jayx> and that's why he is not admin
[07:11] <effie_jayx> Well I'm off...
[07:11] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso,  thanks for reading :D
[07:12] <tonyyarusso> yw
[11:56] <ubotu> In ubotu, zorglu_ said: !strigi is an application which index the files on your desktop. homepage: http://www.vandenoever.info/software/strigi/ package: http://strigi.sourceforge.net/index.php/Binary_packages
[11:59] <ubotu> In ubotu, mneptok said: jIRCii is feature rich, well designed, free, cross platform GUI IRC client written in Java that provides the same IRC experience on Linux, Windows, and OSX. requires a recent Sun JRE and is available at http://jirc.hick.org
[12:22] <ubotu> In #ubuntu-offtopic, nothlit said: !fspot is <alias> f-spot
[01:14] <Seveas> !f-spot
[01:14] <ubotu> f-spot: personal photo management application. In component main, is optional. Version 0.2.1-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 573 kB, installed size 3396 kB
[01:14] <Seveas> can't alias there :)
[01:17] <Hobbsee> hey Seveas
[01:17] <Seveas> ola
[01:19] <gnomefreak> good morning
[02:13] <jrib> hello, can everything here be merged? http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi?search=timebased
[02:16] <gnomefreak> i dont see why not with the feisty one as the main
[02:21] <Seveas> !no timetable is <alias> release
[02:21] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[02:21] <Seveas> !no schedule is <alias> release
[02:21] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[02:22] <Seveas> !no timebasedreleases is <alias> release
[02:22] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[02:22] <Seveas> funky
[02:22] <Seveas> bug in bot
[02:22] <Seveas> !timebasedreleases
[02:22] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[02:22] <PriceChild> Another one :O
[04:30] <LjL> gee
[04:30] <LjL> i'm slow enough by myself
[04:30] <LjL> but chanserv doesn't help *at all* lately
[04:31] <LjL> Seveas: i'd have been faster for that matter, if chanserv didn't take like 7 seconds to op me
[04:31] <apokryphos> yeah, it took ages to go through
[04:31] <LjL> same thing happened yesterday too... annoying
[04:32] <Seveas> blame nalioth, jenda, rob and SportChick :)
[04:32] <Seveas> (I love highlighting)
[04:32] <jenda> Not me!
[04:32] <LjL> evil :P
[04:32] <jenda> my connection has been really poor these past days :(
[04:32] <Seveas> jenda, mine as well
[04:32] <LjL> now it's fast. of course. when nothing's going on, it's fast :P
[04:32] <Seveas> but I'm on hotel wifi :)
[04:33] <jenda> hehe :)
[04:33] <jenda> Oh, I forgot
[04:33] <jenda> Seveas: what are we blamed for?
[04:33] <LjL> jenda: want a complete list? :P
[04:33] <LjL> hm i'll check out something
[04:33] <jenda> hehe :)
[04:34] <Seveas> LOL
[04:34] <Seveas> oops
[04:34] <Seveas> so much for LjL
[04:39] <Seveas> SportChick, am I that ugly that looking at me makes you sad?
[04:40] <SportChick> no, I can't figure out what you're blaming me for or why!
[04:40] <SportChick> mean Seveas :p
[04:41] <Seveas> SportChick, I blame freenode staff for chanserv being slow
[04:41] <SportChick> puh
[04:41] <SportChick> I'm blissfully ignorant :)
[04:41] <SportChick> blame the _technical_ staff
[04:42] <LjL> just turn that wheel faster! we need the clock speed! ;P
[04:43] <LjL> or try switching from pascalines to relays, perhaps you can plan for valves later
[04:47] <Seveas> @lart SportChick
[04:47] <SportChick> @lart Seveas
[04:47] <SportChick> hrm
[04:47] <LjL> tsk tsk
[04:48] <SportChick> does ubugtu use the same database as jbot?
[04:48] <Seveas> no
[04:48] <SportChick> seems very similar
[04:48] <SportChick> @weather klax
[04:48] <Seveas> maybe the one who operates jbot grabbed my larts :)
[04:48] <SportChick> there's no a in Sportchick :p
[04:48] <LjL> SportChick: no, but there is in seveas
[04:48] <SportChick> doubt it :)
[04:48] <SportChick> jbot's been around for ages
[04:49] <SportChick> but then perhaps ubugtu has too :)
[04:49] <Seveas> only a year
[04:49] <Seveas> I grabbed larts from the old ubotu
[04:49] <SportChick> jbot is on ##essy
[04:49] <SportChick> and some other channels
[04:49] <SportChick> but he is also the same as ibot, purl and apt
[04:49] <SportChick> they all have the same database
[04:50] <Seveas> yeah, ubotu and apt were the same once
[04:50] <LjL> bot programmers are well known for having no imagination
[04:50] <SportChick> aha
[04:50] <Seveas> but ubugtu has newer larts as well
[04:50] <Seveas> @lart 33 SportChick
[04:50] <Seveas> @lart 34 SportChick
[04:50] <Seveas> @lart 35 SportChick
[04:50] <Seveas> @lart 36 SportChick
[04:50] <SportChick> does ubugtu spell better than jbot?
[04:50] <Seveas> @lart 37 SportChick
[04:50] <Seveas> @lart 38 SportChick
[04:50] <SportChick> hehe
[04:50] <Seveas> @lart 32 SportChick
[04:50] <Seveas> @lart 31 SportChick
[04:50] <LjL> @lart 28 Seves
[04:50] <SportChick> Seveas: come visit jbot :)
[04:51] <Seveas> no
[04:51] <SportChick> oh
[04:51] <Seveas> busy
[04:51] <SportChick> sorry
[04:51] <Seveas> so stop poking me :p
[05:05] <Pricey> What's with the opping on the netsplit? :)
[05:05] <LjL> Pricey: you never know... :)
[05:05] <Pricey> hehe ok :)
[05:05] <Pricey> "just incase" :)
[05:05] <gnomefreak> its SportChick that caused that ;)
[05:05] <LjL> well netsplits can be caused by DoS attacks. at least they might
[05:05] <Pricey> who else :P
[05:06] <gnomefreak> !aiglx-#ubuntu-effects
[05:06] <ubotu> AIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop. Supported cards: Nvidia: "new-legacy" (i.e. >GeForce4 + others) ATI: Radeon 7000 through 9250 (r100 and r200 generations), Intel: i830 through i945 and possible Via, Sis and S3 Savage. Howto: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/AIGLX
[05:06] <SportChick> gnomefreak: grrrr, if you guys keep blaming me for everything I'm leaving :p
[05:08] <gnomefreak> ty lol
[05:08] <gnomefreak> hes gonna get annoying (not you Pricey)
[05:08] <gnomefreak> crap
[05:08] <PriceChild> what?
[05:09] <gnomefreak> trying to remember how to invite myself to a channel
[05:09] <PriceChild> :)
[05:09] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: /cs invite #channel
[05:10] <apokryphos> ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] : An access level of [51]  is required for [INVITE]  on #ubuntu-xgl
[05:10] <gnomefreak> ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- An access level of [51]  is required for  [INVITE]  on #ubuntu-xgl
[05:10] <apokryphos> now that is something I haven't seen before 8)
[05:10] <gnomefreak> i know why i think
[05:11] <PriceChild> :)
[05:11] <PriceChild> ?
[05:11] <gnomefreak> nalioth: you around?
[05:11] <apokryphos> staffer closed it down?
[05:11] <PriceChild> nalioth's powers?
[05:11] <PriceChild> haha :)
[05:11] <gnomefreak> the way he closed it we cant invite us to it. i just wanted to clean ban list
[05:12] <apokryphos> if you had level 25+ you could do it from here :P
[05:12] <PriceChild> :)
[05:12] <SportChick> hehe gnomefreak
[05:12] <gnomefreak> i dont think i had 30 in there
[05:12] <apokryphos> yup, just 10
[05:12] <PriceChild> you've only got 10 gnomefreak
[05:13] <PriceChild> hehe you've stooped to my level :)
[05:13] <gnomefreak> SportChick: can you open #ubuntu-xgl or atleast invite me in there somehow
[05:14] <SportChick> gnomefreak: checking to see if I can
[05:14] <gnomefreak> ty
[05:15] <gnomefreak> never mind
[05:15] <gnomefreak> it doesnt look like there is any bans
[05:15] <SportChick> somehow cmdinvite got turned off
[05:16] <gnomefreak> that would do it
[05:16] <SportChick> unforunately, I can't touch it without a GC asking
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[05:16] <gnomefreak> ty for looking at it
[05:18] <Seveas> SportChick, I'm gc
[05:18] <Seveas> I ask :)
[05:18] <SportChick> ok
[05:18] <gnomefreak> lol ty seveas
[05:18] <SportChick> Seveas: you want us to turn cmdinvite back on, correct?:
[05:19] <gnomefreak> SportChick: i just want the ban list cleared it can go back the way it is after
[05:19] <Seveas> SportChick, yeah, that'll do
[05:19] <apokryphos> after? I don't think we plan on re-opening it
[05:19] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: we dont
[05:20] <Seveas> apokryphos, I think he meant the cmdinvite thing
[05:20] <gnomefreak> thats why cmdinvite can be turned back off
[05:21] <gnomefreak> sweet pretty colors when no errors :)
[05:21] <SportChick> gnomefreak: you should have an invite momentarily
[05:21] <SportChick> as in now :)
[05:21] <gnomefreak> ty
[05:21] <gnomefreak> nope
[05:21] <SportChick> sure
[05:21] <SportChick> no?
[05:21] <apokryphos> still on, it seems
[05:21] <gnomefreak> im in ty bear
[05:22] <SportChick> ah ok
[05:22] <gnomefreak> ok it can be closed
[05:22] <gnomefreak> ty
[05:23] <gnomefreak> thanking someone that isnt even here
[05:24] <SportChick> gnomefreak: hehe
[05:25] <SportChick> gnomefreak: BearPerson did your bidding on my request :)
[05:25] <gnomefreak> SportChick: thank him for me please :)
[05:25] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, ?
[05:25] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: kbrooks
[05:25] <PriceChild> grrrrrrrrrr
[05:25] <gnomefreak> lol
[05:26] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: he seems to be unbanned from all channels by the looks of it
[05:26] <gnomefreak> hes not a beginner
[05:27] <gnomefreak> hes young and he was/maybe still is easyubuntu devel
[05:27] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, is kbrooks someone known?
[05:27] <gnomefreak> oh yeah
[05:27] <apokryphos> Seveas: can we turn on +J ?
[05:28] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: hes been baned from most of the main channels for a long time
[05:28] <PriceChild> ok :S
[05:28] <Seveas> gnomefreak, now we can
[05:28] <gnomefreak> apokryphos: he meant you i think
[05:29] <Seveas> err yeah
[05:29] <LjL> PriceChild: yes, i don't think he's an attacker...?
[05:29] <apokryphos> these bots are one-hit wonders. Never return after the original. Annoying.
[05:29] <PriceChild> apokryphos, want more fun? :)
[05:33] <apokryphos> nah, it is better for sure, but it means that our eventual +Rr don't do anything, since they're one-hit wonders
[05:33] <apokryphos> and it's all so quick :/. Not like the old bots
[05:34] <apokryphos> but you know, little kids with scripts get bored on the weekend
[05:35] <ubotu> In ubotu, erUSUL said: es is Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:35] <ubotu> In ubotu, erUSUL said: es is Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:36] <Seveas> !es
[05:36] <ubotu> Para Espaol por favor usen #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendrn mas ayuda.
[05:39] <ubotu> In ubotu, erUSUL said: es is If you are lookin for help in spanish please join the channels #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es or #edubuntu-es, there you will get more help.
[05:40] <Seveas> !es is <reply> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:40] <apokryphos> :/
[05:40] <ubotu> es is already known
[05:40] <Seveas> apokryphos, I asked him for that ;)
[05:40] <Seveas> !no es is <reply> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:40] <ubotu> I'll remember that, Seveas
[05:40] <Seveas> !es
[05:40] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:40] <apokryphos> ah, ok
[05:40] <Seveas> !es > erusul
[05:49] <apokryphos> ok, join throttling on now. Let's see how it goes.
[05:50] <gnomefreak> what is 10,3? 10 users in 3seconds?
[05:52] <LjL> read the stuff at freenode.net, i won't even attempt explaining it since i'll never quite understand it myself :P
[05:52] <LjL> i guess i short write it down in C to have a chance of understanding it ;)
[05:52] <gnomefreak> :)
[05:55] <apokryphos> gnomefreak: yeah
[05:55] <gnomefreak> k ty
[06:02] <LjL> should we say in the -unregged topic that people can try joining #ubuntu again if they are overflowed there, or better to just make them register as usual?
[06:03] <apokryphos> hm, let me play with it. It shouldn't be getting any innocents.
[06:03] <LjL> apokryphos: those who who joined weren't, you think?
[06:03] <apokryphos> I'm not sure, but I'll test
[06:04] <LjL> well there didn't seem to be that many joins when octal joined... so i guess he did in on purpose
[06:06] <apokryphos> yeah, I tested the settings and they seem fine enough
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> We throttle #ubuntu now?
[06:09] <apokryphos> yeah
[06:09] <tonyyarusso> good to know
[07:18] <gnomefreak> for now atleast
[07:29] <tonyyarusso> odd one in -meeting if anyone's interested.
[07:30] <gnomefreak> odd == understatment
[07:34] <Minataku> Is he still in there?
[07:35] <gnomefreak> no
[07:35] <Minataku> Aw... I missed the fun
[07:35] <Minataku> XD
[07:35] <tonyyarusso> now he's at -marketing :P
[07:35] <Minataku> lol
[07:35] <mc44> clearly on a mission to convert us all to jabber
[07:36] <Minataku> Isn't that that failed IM protocol?
[07:36] <Minataku> It was big stuff for a couple months then nobody ever heard of it again?
[07:38] <tsmithe> still around
[07:38] <tsmithe> google talk uses it
[07:39] <Minataku> Ah
[07:49] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: Have you had a chance to beat your head against a wall about -lat yet?
[07:50] <Seveas> what's up with -lat?
[07:50] <Minataku> Who wants a laugh? http://www.gearlog.com/2007/02/flashback_1983_the_microsoft_m.php :3
[07:51] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: They apparently had lots of CoC issues, and ended up just forwarding the channel outside the Ubuntu namespace so they wouldn't have to worry about it, and...I don't even know quite what else since I don't speak Spanish really.
[07:51] <Seveas> hmm
[07:52] <Minataku> Yeah, I was here listening to it all and it was pretty interesting, to say the least
[07:52] <Minataku> Apparantly it was created in the first place more-or-less outside the CoC
[07:52] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: willys_feguino (or however you spell that) and effie_jax are familiar I think.
[07:53] <Minataku> It was a rather social channel where the members had all sorts of camaraderie like a group of people would in a sports bar
[07:53] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: At last check it was forwarding to ##libre, were I am idling now.
[07:53] <Minataku> Swearing, mature talk, and so on
[07:53] <Minataku> Once they tried to become official, suddenly being under a very restrictive CoC wasn't anyone's cup of tea
[07:54] <Minataku> So the channel seems to be technically closed more or less, forwarding to ##libre as tonyyarusso said
[07:54] <Minataku> Or at least that's what I got from all of it
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> Oh, and there's a bot on the access list.
[07:55] <tonyyarusso> Don't know what this means, but "HorD> seveas est en -lat ahora"
[07:56] <Minataku> seveas is in -lat now
[07:56] <Minataku> I believe
[07:56] <Seveas> yeah
[07:56] <Seveas> the channel is not forwarding currently
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> ah
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> good
[07:56] <Minataku> My Spanish is extremely rusty considering after I finished it in HS I forgot all of it
[07:56] <Minataku> lol
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> My Spanish is rubbed off of friends who took it :S
[07:56] <tonyyarusso> my parents are fluent though
[07:56] <Seveas> heh
[07:57] <Minataku> Heehee, kinda like my Japanese
[07:57] <Seveas> I'm *extremely busy* now, I just broke ubotu and it'll take a while to fix
[07:57] <Minataku> Which is purely from watching anime
[07:57] <Minataku> Seveas: Dropped a wrench in the gears?
[07:57] <Seveas> Minataku, sort of
[07:58] <Minataku> Ouch
[07:58] <Seveas> no, planned
[07:59] <PriceChild> Seveas, can code anything, even fixes.... we shouldn't be worrying... should we? :P
[07:59] <Seveas> not yet
[07:59] <PriceChild> LjL, ubotwo ?
[07:59] <tonyyarusso> :P
[08:00] <mc44> dont worry, Im sure he's just converting the code to C for optimisation purposees
[08:02] <tonyyarusso> I have just been given a cool script for any irssi users out there btw, for switching between lots of windows in another way.
[08:03] <apokryphos> killall irssi && kvirc ?
[08:04] <SportChick> tonyyarusso: hehe
[08:05] <Minataku> Oooooooooh... 56F in my room
[08:05] <apokryphos> +J obviously won't know about DCC sends
[08:06] <Minataku> Seveas: As long as you backed up ubotu before embarking on a serious modification
[08:07] <Seveas> Minataku, of course
[08:07] <Seveas> Minataku, http://launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots/+code
[08:07] <apokryphos> actually, +J is pretty good. It puts all DCC exploit victims in one place ;-)
[08:08] <PriceChild> apokryphos, you planned that 8-)
[08:08] <SportChick> :)
[08:08] <Minataku> Seveas: The we're all safe. ^^
[08:09] <Minataku> s/The/Then/
[08:09] <tonyyarusso> I is a K-line like a network remove or kickban?  (ie, can they come back anytime soon?)
[08:10] <Seveas> network ban
[08:10] <tonyyarusso> Also, I have a hilight on dcc, but it doesn't trigger when it's not in the channel, like this time.  Any way around that?
[08:11] <nalioth> gnomefreak: after bad mouthing me, have you gotten -xgl sorted?
[08:11] <apokryphos> nalioth: yeah :P
[08:11] <gnomefreak> yes its all down :) i was playing i was blaming SportChick this morning so i had to blame someone else
[08:12] <Minataku> k-line (case sensitive, remember) is a ban from a single server on a network
[08:12] <SportChick> gnomefreak: _now_ what am I being blamed for?
[08:12] <gnomefreak> SportChick: nothing :)
[08:12] <Minataku> g-line is a ban from _every_ server on a network
[08:12] <Minataku> Also related is a z-line, which refuses connections from a particular IP before they're even allowed to connect
[08:13] <SportChick> good morning nalioth, sweety
[08:13] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: So why net channels bans on K-lined bots?
[08:13] <Minataku> k and g let them connect then if they're matched they're dropped
[08:13] <tonyyarusso> Minataku: ah
[08:14] <Minataku> I'm a former IRC Operator from a defunct network, so I know all this stuff
[08:15] <mc44> hence ubuntu :)
[08:15] <mc44> doh, wreong channel
[08:16] <Minataku> I hate when that happens
[08:16] <Minataku> Or worse, when I have the wrong desktop
[08:17] <Minataku> And type a command into XChat instead of an xterm
[08:17] <Minataku> X3
[08:17] <tonyyarusso> yay ljl
[08:18] <nalioth> hi y'all
[08:18] <apokryphos> hi nalioth
[09:02] <phos-phoros> I assume, if the issue regarding the disconnections was not fit, I would not be here?
[09:02] <phos-phoros> s/fit/fixed
[09:02] <LjL> phos-phoros: what issue?
[09:02] <tonyyarusso> phos-phoros: Actually, you would still be able to join, but we test it.
[09:02] <tonyyarusso> LjL: exploit
[09:03] <tonyyarusso> phos-phoros: join ##tonyyarusso for your test
[09:03] <phos-phoros> tonyyarusso, would you mind testing it.
[09:03] <phos-phoros> ok
[09:03] <LjL> but you're already in #ubuntu
[09:03] <apokryphos> LjL: wasn't banned.
[09:03] <apokryphos> sent to -unregged
[09:03] <LjL> ah
[09:03] <tonyyarusso> phos-phoros: Looks good.
[09:03] <LjL> no forwards anymore?
[09:04] <PriceChild> LjL, +J
[09:04] <LjL> ah right, they all rejoin together...
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> LjL: Depends - the ones that don't get shunted by the J will
[09:04] <phos-phoros> ok
[09:04] <apokryphos> it's good, because it throws them all into one place where we can tell them, and it stops their /join spam immediately after
[09:04] <tonyyarusso> phos-phoros: (PS, don't repeat the line I said, ever)
[09:05] <LjL> sure
[09:05] <phos-phoros> you don't think by chance, coincidentally I dropped...while those users were making use of that \exploit?
[09:05] <LjL> could put that in the -unregged topic perhaps
[09:05] <phos-phoros> tonyyarusso, sure thing.
[09:05] <tonyyarusso> phos-phoros: That happens sometimes, but rarely.
[09:05] <LjL> phos-phoros: it can happen, it's not very likely but it can happen
[09:05] <LjL> if you quit with 104 connection reset by peer, right after an exploit, well chances are...
[09:05] <phos-phoros> tonyyarusso, I'll change back to the default port, and would you mind trying the exploit again?
[09:06] <tonyyarusso> phos-phoros: sure
[09:06] <LjL> phos-phoros, at any rate there is nothing to be lost connecting to 8001
[09:06] <tonyyarusso> LjL: It happens though.
[09:06] <phos-phoros> iirc, the issue for myself was resolved with a firmware upgrade, some time ago.
[09:06] <phos-phoros> ok, brb.
[09:06] <apokryphos> quite definitely a vlnerability in your router
[09:06] <apokryphos> it was the exact second as the others :P
[09:07] <LjL> dunno, there's been a few people saying they had it already fixed, but then they still disconnected
[09:07] <LjL> my guess is that they, uhm. but whatever.
[09:07] <phos-phoros> tonyyarusso, mind trying that again?
[09:08] <tonyyarusso> phos-phoros: /join again
[09:08] <Minataku> Is this "s?ar?k?y?lo??er" again or that DCC 0000000000000000(and so on)?
[09:08] <Minataku> Note letters replaced to defuse it
[09:09] <LjL> latter
[09:09] <tonyyarusso> phos-phoros: still looks fine.
[09:09] <tonyyarusso> ...
[09:09] <Minataku> Ah
[09:09] <phos-phoros> good.
[09:09] <Seveas> start.key.logg.er is not used anymore
[09:09] <Seveas> antivirus is easier updated than router firmware
[09:09] <Minataku> True
[09:10] <Minataku> But there's always the chance that someone's subscription expired before that fix
[09:10] <tonyyarusso> LjL, apokryphos: I can't get him to quit with the regular port.  You want to try?  Could actually be fine.
[09:10] <Minataku> Since if you don't pay Symantec their protection fee, bad things happen to you
[09:10] <Minataku> XD
[09:10] <Minataku> Well, COULD happen, at any rate
[09:17] <tonyyarusso> apokryphos: do you have to connect via 8001 or something?
[09:17] <apokryphos> to stop it, yeah
[09:18] <tonyyarusso> ah.  that explains your error msg
[09:41] <PuMpErNiCkLe> woo
[11:05] <PriceChild> Seveas, woo fixed? :)
[11:06] <somerville32> moo
[11:06] <Seeker`> baaaa
[11:07] <tonyyarusso> neigh
[11:08] <Seeker`> woof
[11:08] <PriceChild> woof
[11:08] <PriceChild> damn :(
[11:08] <Seeker`> beatcha
[11:08] <Seeker`> meow
[11:08] <tonyyarusso> *munch**munch*
[11:08] <somerville32> caw caw
[11:09] <tonyyarusso> what am I?
[11:09] <somerville32> Seveas eating a spammer?
[11:09] <tonyyarusso> nope
[11:09] <somerville32> Seveas eating a crunchy spammer?
[11:09] <tonyyarusso> Nope
[11:09] <tonyyarusso> A grue!
[11:10] <somerville32> Oh, so ompaul?
[11:10] <subzero2000> So, how does one go about rejoining #ubuntu after the FixDCC article on help.ubuntu.com?
[11:10] <somerville32> ;] 
[11:10] <tonyyarusso> somerville32: haha
[11:11] <nalioth> subzero2000: join #subzerotest
[11:11] <ompaul> .... what
[11:12] <somerville32> ompaul: The grue, according to scholars of the Great Underground Empire, is a sinister, lurking presence in the dark places of the earth. Its favorite diet is either adventurers or enchanters, but its insatiable appetite is tempered by its extreme fear of light.
[11:12] <ompaul> somerville32, I'll get back to you next week with a laugh about that
[11:12] <ompaul> s
[11:13] <nalioth> subzero2000: you are not currently banned in #ubuntu
[11:13] <subzero2000> Thank you.
[11:17] <subzero2000> nalioth -> I seem to still be getting directed to #ubuntu-read-topic. Is there a reason why?
[11:17] <LjL> subzero2000: yes i suppose, you are affected by a router problem... have you read the topic?
[11:17] <ublender> er, #ubuntu-read-topic sent me here... something about I had to change my server to chat.freenode.net/8001. DONE. so what now?
[11:18] <Seveas> ublender, join #blendertest
[11:18] <subzero2000> I did what it suggested. I changed to port 8001. Is that sufficient, or do I need to also upgrade my router's firmware?
[11:18] <Seeker`> can someone test if i am vulnerable?
[11:18] <ublender> ok, i'm there
[11:18] <LjL> subzero2000: it is sufficient, i will test you if you don't mind
[11:18] <nalioth> let me look again, subzero2000
[11:18] <subzero2000> I don't mind.
[11:19] <LjL> subzero2000: you're ok, i'll let you join momentarily
[11:19] <Seveas> ublender, ban removed
[11:19] <LjL> nalioth: uh? you did that?
[11:19] <LjL> his quit i mean
[11:20] <nalioth> LjL: nope
[11:20] <nalioth> subzero2000: you should be fixed up
[11:20] <Seveas> %editors
[11:20] <ubotu> Seveas, gnomefreak, apokryphos, thoreauputic, Hobbsee, bimberi, nalioth, Madpilot, LjL, Riddell, imbrandon, uniq, spec, LaserJock, mez, Jucato, trappist, Hawkwind, abattoir, zorglu_, tonyyarusso, elkbuntu, ompaul, PriceChild
[11:20] <subzero2000> Thanks, that lifted the ban, although the DCC file transfer crashed my copy of Colloquy.
[11:20] <LjL> Seveas, nalioth, btw, i suggest you use CTCP. for some reason, we had a user who wouldn't go down with PRIVMSG
[11:21] <Seveas> adding/editing factoids currently is broken
[11:21] <PriceChild> grrr... annoying people pinging me :P
[11:21] <Seveas> PriceChild, this was for a reason
[11:21] <nalioth> LjL: huh?
[11:21] <LjL> nalioth: with the exploit.
[11:21] <PriceChild> I was only joking sorry Seveas :)
[11:21] <Seveas> I'll fix the bot tomorrow
[11:22] <gnomefreak> PriceChild: ignore him ive seen him the past few days "just saying crap"
[11:23] <PriceChild> gnomefreak, yeah sorry... he's just been constantly trying to tell me I'm wrong the past few days :(
[11:23] <Seveas> who?
[11:23] <gnomefreak> aiglx_works_now:
[11:24] <ompaul> PriceChild, and gnomefreak ^^ who as Seveas said
[11:25] <gnomefreak> see gnomefreak above
[11:25] <ompaul> gnomefreak, can't see as that is outside my current window - it might be logged :) or you can pm
 aiglx_works_now:
[11:25] <gnomefreak> aiglx_works_now him
[11:26] <PriceChild> tsmithe`, hehe... found a way aroudn? :)
[11:26] <tsmithe`> PriceChild, eh?
[11:26] <tsmithe`> around what?
[11:26] <PriceChild> Nothing.... :)
[11:26] <tsmithe`> oooh
[11:26] <tsmithe`> of course!
[11:27] <xelados> I followed the instructions on ubuntu.com to fix the DCCexploit using Fix 1. Can I be allowed back into #ubuntu?
[11:27] <LjL> xelados: sure, let me test you
[11:27] <xelados> k
[11:28] <xelados> It says I received a malformed DCC request, with the contents of "aaaaa', etc
[11:29] <LjL> it's ok
[11:29] <Seveas> LjL, what's the command you use to test?
[11:29] <xelados> Thanks! :)
[11:29] <LjL> you can join
[11:29] <SportChick> nalioth: I'm always lost - that's why they always blame me for stuff :(
[11:29] <Seveas> (pm it :))
[11:32] <ompaul> Seveas, I thought that a pm might not work in some cases
[11:32] <nalioth> it doesn't
[11:33] <Minataku> Hey, uh... #kubuntu lacks chmode +t
[11:33] <tonyyarusso> that's not good
[11:33] <Minataku> While we're on the topic, #kubuntu-offtopic is the same
[11:33] <nalioth> tonyyarusso: it's not needed
[11:33] <nalioth> Minataku: it's not needed
[11:34] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: Oh?
[11:34] <tonyyarusso> how come?
[11:34] <Minataku> Yeah it is
[11:34] <nalioth> because folks behave in those channels
[11:34] <Minataku> I just tested it in #kubuntu-offtopic
[11:34] <Minataku> It's definitely needed
[11:34] <LjL> as long as people don't mess around, why should it be needed?
[11:34] <tonyyarusso> Minataku: he means socially, not technically ;)
[11:34] <Minataku> nalioth: No, people just don't realize it's not on
[11:35] <tonyyarusso> gotcha
[11:35] <Minataku> tonyyarusso: Ah
[11:35] <nalioth> Minataku: the channels have been this way for years
[11:35] <nalioth> we are aware of their status
[11:35] <Minataku> LjL: People are used to it being on, look at me, I've been in there for two weeks and just noticed it's off
[11:35] <Minataku> nalioth: Not of the "prevention" mind, are you? X3
[11:36] <Minataku> nalioth: Do you keep your house and car unlocked, too?
[11:36] <Seeker`> Minataku: There is a difference between channel topics and cars.
[11:36] <nalioth> i do.
[11:36] <Minataku> Seeker`: It's the issue of misplaced trust
[11:37] <Minataku> Sure, just because nothing happens for X amount of time doesn't mean it'll never happen
[11:37] <nalioth> Minataku: oh, it happens.
[11:37] <nalioth> Minataku: we ban the miscreants and continue
[11:41] <gnomefreak> Minataku: /msg chanserv info #channel     will tell you what chan modes are set you dont need to change the topic to find out and /msg chansev is easier and faster
[11:41] <Minataku> gnomefreak: Actually they're listed in XChat's titlebar if I've selected that channel
[11:41] <Minataku> That's how I finally noticed that +t was missing
[11:41] <Minataku> lol
[11:42] <Minataku> I actually looked up there for some undefined reason
[12:04] <effie_jayx> jenda,  ping
[12:05] <jenda> effie_jayx: pong
[12:05] <effie_jayx> jenda,  I need some advice on a bot I have in the ubuntu-ve channel
[12:05] <effie_jayx> I want to add shedule capabilities
[12:06] <jenda> oh
[12:06] <effie_jayx> any docs or anything around I could read?
[12:06] <jenda> effie_jayx: The only thing I know about that bot is that smurf owns it...
[12:06] <jenda> ...and the only thing I know about smurf is that you can find him in #ubuntu-locoteams ;)
[12:06] <effie_jayx> :D
[12:06] <effie_jayx> cool
[12:07] <effie_jayx> jenda,  thanks
[12:07] <jenda> np
[12:14] <Seveas> effie_jayx, locobot does only logging and nothing else.
[12:15] <effie_jayx> Seveas,  waht about the bot in meeting that tells times of meetings
[12:15] <Seveas> that's ubugtu
[12:16] <effie_jayx> Seveas,  I am interested in a similar one but not for a ubuntu channel... the local LUG is hopping to have one that can help organizing and informing...
[12:17] <effie_jayx> Seveas,  what keywords would help me find info about those kinds of bots
[12:17] <Seveas> !help
[12:17] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[12:20] <effie_jayx> thanks Seveas