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megamacedHi, I have a strange problem with my XFCE Settings Manager. It displays 'Button Label' next to some options. See pic: http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2034/xfcesettingsmanagerzo3.jpg12:41
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cyroshow do i make xfce4-panel auto start12:45
somerville32cyros: Start it and then quit normally12:45
cyrosand it should always start when i reboot12:45
maxamillioncyros: yes, it should12:46
graziemegamaced: what version of xubuntu you using?12:46
kalikianamegamaced: I know this error, I think you need to upgrade xfce12:46
megamacedI am running Xubuntu 6.1012:47
megamacedOriginally it was Breezy server, then Xubuntu Dapper, then Xubuntu Edgy :D12:47
megamacedThe problem happened in Dapper first12:48
megamacedThe Edgy upgrade didn't fix it12:48
cyroshmm i tried quiting and it said "Quitting the session requires that xfces session manager, xfce-session is running but it was not detected please quit xfce via another means"12:48
kalikianamegamaced, You could update manually via the graphical installer12:48
megamacedkalikiana: upgrade to what?12:49
somerville32cyros: press alt+f2 and xfce4-session12:49
kalikianamegamaced, If you install to /usr/bin like the ubuntu package does, it should be doing fine12:49
kalikianamegamaced, To xfce4.4 final12:49
megamacedkalikiana: So you propose I upgrade to Fiesty?12:50
megamacedkalikiana: I was thinking I'd just need to edit a configuration file or something12:50
graziei can see megamaced problem on feisty, but edgy is is fine. Maybe a you've picked up dodgy update?12:50
kalikianamegamaced, No, don't change your Ubuntu setup, just update xfce12:50
megamacedkalikiana: I don't like using unofficial packages though. I prefer to keep within the ubuntu repos12:51
kalikianaI believe the error is in the ubuntu package but the current installer works fine.12:51
graziebut xfce 4.4 isn't available on edgy is it?12:51
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crimsunno, nor will it be.12:51
kalikianamegamaced, So just leave your package and install xfce from the website over it12:51
anon_my desktop didn't load12:52
kalikianaYou could of course create a debian package via checkinstall or dpkg if you want.12:52
graziekalikiana: you think this is a good idea?12:53
anon_the icons, etc12:53
megamacedkalikiana: That'll probably break my system when I upgrade to Fiesty in a few months12:53
anon_xfce4-? in alt-f2?12:53
kalikianagrazie: It is what I'm using and it's working fine.12:53
megamacedkalikiana: I did sudo 'dpkg-reconfigure xfce4-mcs-manager' and that solved some of the buttons labels12:53
kalikianamegamaced, I did that in Dapper and updated to Edgy, there it worked12:53
kalikianaIf you find any other way around it and don't need the xfce final it's ok12:54
megamacedkalikiana: Do you know where the core configuration files for the settings manager are?12:54
kalikianaPersonally I like to have the final anyway12:54
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kalikianamegamaced, ~/.config/xfce I think12:55
megamacedkalikiana: If I were going to install the final XFCE on Edgy, i'd probably backport it myself using Prevu12:56
megamacedbut that would take ages to compile :D12:56
grazieanyone know if there's a maximum file size allowed for attachments on bug reports?12:56
kalikianamegamaced, as I said you can of course create a debian package yourself if you don't like a 'raw' installation. ;)12:56
foogyi just bootet with kernel 2.6.17-14, but before i had 2.6.17-10. now i'm missing some modules, e.g. my wireless adapter does not show up as well as the nvidia module. any idea?12:56
cyrosdamn my panel wont load till i run xfce4-panel but after that i cant even quit, and i try and run xfce4-session and it says its already running12:56
megamacedkalikiana: Yeah, that's what Prevu does. It downloads the Feisty sources and backports them and makes fresh Debian packages :)12:58
foogycan i use my "old" modules with the new kernel? if so, how? i tried to set a symlink in /sys/linux-restricted-modules but it didn't help12:58
cyrosim gonna try an update cause i froze last time and i had to kill it maybe that fucked it up12:58
cyrosim gonna update now12:58
kalikianaah, didn't do such a thing... I'm compiling one or the other svn app anyway :P12:59
Taramhi hyper_ch01:01
PuMpErNiCkLefoogy: No, you have to update the modules, too.01:03
foogyok, let me tell you what i did so far: baked the kernel using make-kpkg, resulting in a .deb file. then i installed this .deb with dpkg -i ...deb. what's missing?01:05
PuMpErNiCkLeInstalling a new nvidia kernel module.01:06
PuMpErNiCkLeThe nvidia driver, being proprietary, doesn't come with the kernel.01:06
foogyok, but why does my wireless card not show up?01:07
PuMpErNiCkLeProbably the same reason.01:08
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mikeh0209has anyone here used xubuntu on a usb stick01:12
mikeh0209is anyone here01:15
ubotuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?01:16
mikeh0209has anyone here used xubuntu on a usb stick01:16
mikeh0209that is my question01:17
somerville32mikeh0209, nope01:17
mikeh0209i am using xubuntu on my 2GB usb stick and i was wondering if anyone here has some tips and or tricks for say saving sessions when running xubuntu on a usb stick01:18
foogyany idea what package to install to use restricted modules with kernel 2.6.17-14? there is only a package for 2.6.17-10 available in synaptic01:19
wisi`m having a problem to use OpenOficce on my Xubuntu, the program is installed, all dependences are OK but it`s not running... Anyone to help me? please01:20
Commander-Crowedoes anyone have a good tut on getting beryl to work in edgy using nvidia drivers? I lost all my bookmarks01:20
megamacedCommander-Crowe: check out the Beryl Wiki: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu01:22
PuMpErNiCkLeCommander-Crowe: AIGLX or XGL?01:22
megamacedAIGLX is the better route to take for Edgy01:23
Commander-CroweXGL I think01:23
Commander-Crowemaybe AIGLX01:23
megamacedCommander-Crowe: you want AIGLX01:23
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Zell_SFcan anyone here give me a direct link to the latest nvidia drivers?01:24
megamacedCommander-Crowe: XGL is pretty much depreachiated now; only good for Dapper01:24
PuMpErNiCkLeZell_SF: Beta, or stable?01:24
Zell_SFstable, I guess01:24
megamacedZell_SF: See this link for repo: http://www.albertomilone.com/instructions.html01:24
Zell_SFnot looking for a repo01:24
PuMpErNiCkLeZell_SF: Which version of Xubuntu?  Edgy?01:25
Zell_SFand I need to reinstall the official driver to get X working again after an update01:25
Zell_SFAnd nvidia's download page hates both the browsers I use for some mysterious reason01:26
megamacedZell_SF: well go to nVidia's website then. LOL01:26
foogygood night!01:26
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Zell_SFI would, but they refuse to give me a direct link I can wget01:26
megamacedWhat browser are you using?01:27
Zell_SFCamino, Safari01:27
PuMpErNiCkLeZell_SF: Final question: which arch? i386?01:27
Zell_SFUh, how would I know that?01:28
PuMpErNiCkLePC or Mac box?01:28
PuMpErNiCkLeThat's a direct link to the latest driver for Edgy.01:29
Zell_SFwhich is rather outdated.01:30
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cyrosxfce still giving me problems can i reinstall it?01:38
cyroswith apt-get?01:38
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DanZhow do I adjust the sound volume?01:46
grazieDanZ: have you added the volume control to the panel?01:48
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HawxyI was thinking about installing ubuntu on a 500mhz G3 iMac, would it be better to go with gnome or kfce?02:43
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j1mcHawxy, you're in the xubuntu IRC channel.  :)  Would you consider installing xubuntu?  :-)02:43
j1mcXfce would be better on that machine than Gnome or KDE.02:44
j1mcoh, sorry, you wrote Kfce . . .   I thought you typed KDE.02:44
j1mcXfce would run better on it than gnome.02:44
HawxyThanks :)02:45
HawxyThe only difference between xubuntu and ubuntu is the GUI right? I'm very new to Linux, I must admit02:45
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Stormx2Hey. How well would Xubuntu run on a pc with a 858MHz processor and 256mb of ram?02:46
somerville32It would run well02:47
HawxyXFCE yes, sorry :)02:47
j1mcStormx2, I run Xubuntu on a PIII 800 w/ 256mb of RAM w/o any problems.  i know that somerville32 runs (or ran) his PC with less RAM w/o any problems either.  :)02:48
somerville32Hawxy, *Xfce02:48
Stormx2my younger brother is running win2000 and the moment and its causing him more trouble than its worth02:48
somerville32Stormx2, You'd probably be able to run Ubuntu on a 800mgz w/ 256mb of ram but you'll find Xubuntu faster.02:49
Stormx2I run ubuntu myself, but then again I have triple his ram and double his processor speed02:50
HawxyMy G3 only has 256mb too02:50
Stormx2the machine has been a gateway/firewall for about 10 years...02:50
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cellofellowwhat's up?03:17
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rizzoI want to set up a command-line xubuntu system to be a printer server03:30
rizzooffhand I assume I want cups03:31
cellofellowcups is the thing. You'll also want to enable the web-based cups configuration system.03:35
rizzoand hpijs for hp-deskjet-5740?03:37
rizzoso says http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_5740 anyway03:37
cellofellowhpijs drivers are installed default anyways I think.03:38
rizzothese weren't03:38
cellofellowoh, oh well then.03:38
rizzothis is a command-line system though.  pretty barebones to start03:38
cellofellowit's no pain to install, though.03:39
rizzoanything special to enable web-cups-admin?03:39
cellofellowum, it's there but read-only so I think you have to fuss about with permissions to get it so you can write to it.03:40
ubotuPrinting in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows03:40
cellofellownot sure how.03:40
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rizzook got to the web admin page, but when I go to "add printer", I get a 40303:53
cellofellowlike I said, read-only03:54
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RememberPOLIs there a way to install build-essential without the CDROM?04:21
somerville32Just install from the internet repositories04:23
RememberPOLhow exactly.04:23
RememberPOL`sudo apt-get install build-essential` prompts me to insert the CDROM04:23
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RememberPOLOkay i had to comment the cdrom line out of sources.list04:25
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rizzoI hosed something04:31
rizzoSetting up cupsys (1.2.4-2ubuntu3) ...04:32
rizzochown: cannot access `/etc/cups/cupsd.conf': No such file or directory04:32
rizzoI can't install cupsys now04:32
rizzonor can i install samba04:32
rizzowouldn't cupsys install that file?04:32
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jt_a7x_3I'm a current Ubuntu user, and I'm looking at some other distros of linux etc... I saw Xubuntu on the site, Is this really just a more minimal OS of ubunty?04:45
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rizzomore or less04:47
rizzoubuntu with xfce instead of gnome04:47
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cellofellowI need a CD ripper that will actually write meta tags to ogg, Grip just isn't doing it.04:48
cellofellowanybody know of one?04:49
cellofellowfor rip?04:50
bigfuzzyjesusoh no04:50
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cellofellow(just so everybody knows, abcde, even though it isn't GUI, seems promising.05:45
rizzocellofellow: I love abcde05:45
rizzoputs everything together perfectly05:45
cellofellowGrip just kept really messing up the ID3 tags when I'd encode as Ogg. I like having the CDDB actually work, instead of my having to do it manually.05:46
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Cippyare there any disadvantages of using Xubuntu as opposed to Ubuntu?05:57
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PuMpErNiCkLeCippy: It doesn't have all the features of Ubuntu; all the main things are there, but a lot of smaller things aren't.06:12
PuMpErNiCkLee.g: smb browsing, graphical menu editing, the desktop manager is kinda clunky... stuff like that.06:13
Cippybecause i'm having problems getting my Ubuntu LiveCD to work06:14
Cippyso I'm considering trying Xubuntu06:14
Cippy(my machine is kinda old)06:14
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PuMpErNiCkLeWhat kind of problems?  It could just be because of too little RAM.06:22
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Cippy^I explain it there06:23
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cellofellowthe world seems to crawl when you're encoding a CD.06:56
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cyberyakis there a xubuntu mirror in North America?07:18
DarthLappyAll the mirrors are the same as for Ubuntu.07:18
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maxamillioncyberyak: you need an iso download mirror or just an apt source mirror?07:21
cyberyakiso dl mirror07:21
maxamillioncyberyak: which release?07:22
cyberyakhrm.  xubuntu 6.1007:22
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cyberyakall the mirrors seem to be in Europe07:22
maxamillioncyberyak: actually .. it looks like our North America mirror for 6.06 went down ... so no, we don't have any mirrors in NA07:23
cyberyakk, thx.  Just making sure I hadn't overlooked something.07:23
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maxamillionnope ... sure didn't07:27
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cyberyakI get decent speed out of the second portugal link.07:32
cyberyakthe first portugal site seems to have a bad link for the "PC (Intel x86) alternate install CD"07:32
maxamilliongood news, where are you geographically located?07:32
maxamillionooo, i will look into that07:33
cyberyakHouston, TX USA.07:33
cyberyaktrying to get around an ACPI issue.07:33
maxamillioncyberyak: lol ... i am from there, just up the road at SHSU for college :)07:33
maxamillioncyberyak: i lived right at 1960 and Jones07:33
cyberyakgood ol' Sam07:33
cyberyakI'm down in the SW corner of 61007:34
cyberyakMeyerland/Westbury area07:34
maxamillionyeah ... its alright, there computer science program here is about average but there are a couple profs who are really good07:34
maxamillionohhh ok, i know that area (vaguely, but i have been there)07:34
cyberyakI have a condo (well actually 2 at the moment) in the galleria.07:35
cyberyakbut I'm in a house down here.07:35
cyberyakI'm not even completely certain it's ACPI, but I have seen similar issues with debian sarge a while back.07:37
cyberyakthe BIOS in the notebook isn't 100%ACPI compliant.07:37
cyberyakbut ACPI thinks it is.07:37
cyberyakand then the unit overheats.07:37
maxamillionhrmmm... ACPI seems to be the cause of problems07:37
cyberyakand shuts down in a less than graceful manner.07:37
maxamillionmaybe apmd would be a better choice?07:38
ubotuapmd: Utilities for Advanced Power Management (APM). In component main, is optional. Version 3.2.2-7ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 57 kB, installed size 280 kB07:38
cyberyakthat's what I did in sarge07:38
maxamillionah ok07:38
cyberyakbut I have to get the alternate install cd.07:38
cyberyakubuntu-desktop has a dep on ACPI07:38
cyberyakand acpi-support07:39
cyberyakand one other package that escapes me.07:39
cyberyakremoving them seems to break stuff.07:39
cyberyakand then I couldn't apt-get them back.07:39
cyberyakthere seems to be some kind of loop in the dependency, but I couldn't figure it out.07:40
cyberyakapt-get -f didn't work07:40
cyberyakall seemed to error out.07:40
cyberyakit was quite hosed.07:41
maxamillionsudo aptitude -f upgrade07:41
cyberyakI should have come in here before I reinstalled the machine07:41
cyberyakI did.07:41
cyberyaksame results.07:41
maxamillionthat might help .... aptitude is normally better at fixing dependancy issues than apt-get07:41
maxamillionoh ...07:41
cyberyakat least I think I did.07:41
cyberyakI screwed with dpkg as well07:42
maxamillioncyberyak: its a little "un-debian" but you could install smart, smart is ... well smart and might be able to figure it out07:42
maxamillionit really is the best package manager out there right now (i still prefer aptitude just because i am a debian faithful, but i must give credit where it is due)07:42
cyberyakunfortunately, I blew the system away when I tried to install with acpi=off07:43
cyberyakit still installs the packages.07:43
cyberyakit just turns it off at the kernel level.07:43
maxamillionmaybe just leave them in place, install apmd and just add acpi to the blacklist file07:43
cyberyakthere's a thought.07:44
cyberyakblacklist them.07:44
PuMpErNiCkLeDoes booting with the 'noacpi' option not work?07:44
cyberyaknoacpi doesn't seem to work, but the acpi=off does07:45
graziemaxamillion: I need a little advice on bug report filing procedure07:45
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cyberyakIf I turn it off at the kernal, then I lose the ability to poll the sensors to see how the system is functioning.07:45
maxamilliongrazie: shoot07:46
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graziemaxamillion: found problems with update-manager & gnome-app-install with no bugs I can see on herd 307:47
graziemaxamillion: but they're both fixed with package updates, so don't bother filing a bug?07:48
maxamilliongrazie: yeah, i wouldn't ... if they fixed them then they are probably old bugs that just got fixed07:48
graziemaxamillion: ok07:49
maxamillionor could have just been part of the upstream devel cycle ... but either way i wouldn't bother because they would probably just say something like "fixed in upstream"07:50
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graziemaxamillion: I know asked about this before, but ubuntu, kubuntu & edubuntu ISOs all have a build IDs, but can't find anything for xubuntu07:52
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maxamilliongrazie: not entirely sure about the build ID, i think its because we haven't officially released a Herd 3 image yet, there is just Herd 3 candidates atm07:59
maxamillioni gotta run ... bbl08:00
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satorianyone know the Link to latest nightly for herd three feisty?08:01
graziesatori: yep..just a sec08:02
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graziesatori: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ReportingResults08:03
satorirad thanks.08:03
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kyle_Hiya people.08:14
kyle_What's goin down?08:14
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kyle_Listen to me!08:33
kyle_All hail king Kyle.08:33
kyle_How did you like that entrance?08:33
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TheSheepkyle_: a little ungrammatical09:21
kyle_Oh, whatever. You know you liked it.09:21
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DarthLappyYour project?10:04
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kalikianaDarthLappy, catfish :)10:10
kalikianaYou don't by chance speake any non-English language?10:11
DarthLappyI don't "speak" them, per se...10:11
TheSheepkalikiana: Polish? :)10:12
kalikianaTheSheep, if you want to do this I wouldn't mind :)10:13
kalikianaMy statistics say that I have two or three polish users.10:13
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hyper_chwhat is that project?10:21
kalikianahyper_ch, http://software.twotoasts.de?page=catfish10:22
hyper_chis there some language file where just the translations can be entered?10:23
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TheSheephyper_ch: you can do it on that page10:24
kalikianahyper_ch, I could give you a po file with strings if you don't like launchpad10:24
hyper_chwell, you have already a german translation?10:26
kalikianayep, I'm German :P10:28
hyper_chand Swiss German Translation? ^^10:28
kalikianaI don't know if there would be differences, I could give you the German po...10:29
hyper_chSchwyzerdtsch isch kompled andersch... sg bloss du hesch das no nie ghrt10:29
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kalikiana|awayhyper_ch, http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/351110:30
kalikiana|awayPastebin doesn't seem to like umlauts or accents. :(10:30
hyper_chI don't think a swiss german translation would be necessary :)10:30
kalikiana|awayDon't they speak two or three languages where you live? *g10:32
hyper_chHmmm, let me see10:32
kalikiana|awayFrench is half complete and I'm not fluent enough there...10:32
kalikiana|awayAnd you speak all these? That might come in handy. :D10:33
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hyper_chnot fuent enough :)10:34
hyper_chfluent :)10:34
kalikiana|phpAnyone else willing to translate? :D10:35
kalikiana|phpI have many Russian referers, so that would be good to have.10:36
hyper_chhow many chinese?10:37
kalikiana|phpcan't say, only few I think10:40
kalikiana|phpBut there are Japanese10:41
kalikiana|phpAnd I like Japanese :)10:42
kalikiana|phpTheSheep, Thank you for what you are currently doing :)10:43
TheSheepkalikiana|php: btw, if you used dbus for communicating with tracker, the daemon would start automagically10:47
TheSheepSorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. Weve recorded what happened, and well fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience. XD10:47
TheSheepjust my luck10:47
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kalikiana|phpTheSheep, don't worry, I'll do dbus support some day in this year - and incidently for me it auto-starts without dbus10:48
kalikiana|phplaunchpad likes to have random errors, just reload and it will probably work :P10:48
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DarthLappyOh yay... I have a memory hog and a CPU hog...11:05
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DarthLappyWell the weird thing is that Gaim is the CPU hog...11:07
DarthLappyFirefox is sorta normal as a memory eater.11:07
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juliuxhi has somebody the xubuntu banner as svg file with the ubuntu title font?11:16
TheSheepjuliux: check the wiki11:19
juliuxTheSheep, there is nothing;)11:19
juliuxTheSheep, there is the xubuntu banner only as a png11:19
TheSheepjuliux: the font is the same as for ubuntu -- it's available on the ubuntu wiki pages11:20
TheSheepjuliux: the logo is available in several formats on the wiki too11:20
juliuxTheSheep, this i kow but i am asking for a ready banner11:21
TheSheepjuliux: ah, best contact the author then :)11:21
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Grey_LokiConnection trouble?01:17
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lejocelynI need to test my memory01:59
lejocelynI've installed memtest86+01:59
lejocelynbut I don't know how touse it01:59
lejocelynand there is no man page02:00
kalikiana|phpI think it's installed by default? It's in grub for me.02:00
lejocelyndo I need to be in single user mode ?02:00
lejocelynok, so I need to go in the grub command line ?02:00
lejocelynbut there, there will be a man page ?02:01
kalikiana|phpChoose it on boot instead of the linux kernel.02:01
kalikiana|phpIsn't it in your bott menu?02:01
lejocelynit is02:01
lejocelynok ok, I'll test02:02
kalikiana|phpActually I never tried to start it, but doesn't running at from grub work?02:02
lejocelynI don't know02:02
lejocelynbut I don't think there are man page in the grub ...02:02
lejocelynand that's the problem02:02
lejocelynanyway, I'll see02:02
kalikiana|phpWhat about google? ;)02:02
lejocelyngoogle doesn't work in grub ...02:03
lejocelynand I don't know exactly what I need to use properly grub02:04
lejocelynso I won't be able to remember everything I read on the Net02:04
kalikiana|phpJust google for some basic commands or tutorial on memtest and write it down.02:05
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kalikiana|phpAny way to get a 'run as superuser' menu for files in Thunar?02:14
kalikiana|phpNevermind, 'gksudo %f' works.02:16
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morphiranyone upgraded their xubuntu to xfce4.4?02:36
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kalikiana|phpmorphir: me :)02:53
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pillodoes it make sense to upgrade to 4.4 and what is the easy to do it on xubuntu6.06 ?03:04
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kalikiana|phppillo: Imho it makes sense to get xfce4.4 stable since the betas had many annoyances. I'd recommend using the graphical installer from xfce.org and installing to /usr/bin03:12
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ssmithHey guys, I'm having trouble with font sizes in XFCE03:30
ssmithon the panel and in thunar they stay really small, and I can't increase the size with the User Interface settings03:30
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michaelpowhat is the name of the app in ubuntu6.06 to burn cd of downloaded iso?03:54
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michaelpook.. the howto say to right click and "writing image to disc", but i'm not sure if it can detect my writer... it keep on asking me to put in cd or cdrw... i have tried many different blank cds and cdrws already...04:04
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TABASCOhi all04:05
michaelpowhat do i do now... help...04:06
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michaelpohow do i check if ubuntu6.06 detected my cdwriter correctly or not?04:17
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Stormx2michaelpo: uhg... we don't know04:37
Stormx2michaelpo: Chances are it has. You can use k3b to burn an ISO04:37
michaelpok3b is kde?04:38
apokryphosa kde-based application, yes. But like all KDE applications, you can run it just fine in gnome/xfce04:40
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heyyouhey all06:09
heyyoui couldnt find an option to download a livecd version of xubunutu... is there one?06:11
Pekkei thought it's the same image where is the installing & live usage....06:13
Pekkeat least i had it that way.06:14
heyyouoh okay06:16
heyyouanother question...06:16
heyyoucan you save files using the livecd version?06:17
Pekkei don't know about that.,,,,,...06:21
heyyouoh okat06:21
heyyoudo you run xubuntu exclusively?06:22
Pekkei had windows xp and xubuntu before, but i got fed up with windows and removed it.06:24
heyyouah okay06:25
heyyouim using a tweaked version of 2k306:25
Pekkebut this is my secondary computer, which i use most of my time when not doing something with Adobes software. I use windows still on my "work" computer, because i have not had a chance to test wine yet....06:27
heyyouoh ok06:27
Pekkeand this is only 800 mhz, so i couldn't run that kind of software on this anyway, but i may install Kubuntu into the other computer, if i get convinced that photoshop, flash 8, illustrator and premiere work fine on Kubuntu... =)06:31
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tictacaddictcan I mount the initrd image with loopback?07:42
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BrendanMHey, for some reason occasionally when I reboot or return from hibernate, a bunch of my panel applets have dissapeared08:18
BrendanMdoes anyone know why this might might be happening?08:19
PuMpErNiCkLeBuggy panels.  It's a fairly common issue.08:19
galorindoes the xubuntu installer pick up existing Linux RAID devices and LVM groups?08:22
TheSheepgalorin: I think it doesn't touch anything if you don't tell it explicitly08:26
galorinok, this'll be fun.  forced downgrade from 64 bit to 32 bit08:26
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sfdsfdscan anyone tell me where a usb disk will be located, on the filesystem, from the commandline?08:47
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sfdsfdsit loads as sdg cut try as i might, i cannot find it08:48
PuMpErNiCkLeDid you mount it?08:49
galorinsfdsfds, it/s /dev/hdg but needs mounting08:49
sfdsfdsthats just it - how is that done with *usb* stuff08:49
sfdsfdsno it appears as /dev/sdg08:49
PuMpErNiCkLeThe same way it's done with any disk.08:49
galorinsmall screaming child affecgting reading and typing08:50
sfdsfdsbut i look in fstab and it says that usb disks are taken care of by udev and are not there, when i try to mount it, it says its not in fstab08:50
sfdsfdsi know what ill try08:51
sfdsfds1 sec08:51
sfdsfdswhats 0xb9 media type :)08:52
sfdsfdsill prob find that in fdisk08:52
noname_has anyone in here used e17?08:53
sfdsfdsbrb (thanks btw)08:53
grazienoname_: only with elive08:54
PuMpErNiCkLeUSB disks are recognized and dealt with by udev, yes.  They may be automounted at /media, depending on the udev rule that applies.08:55
PuMpErNiCkLenoname_: Yeah, about two months ago.08:55
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sfdsfdsfolks, thanks, i was having a blonde moment08:55
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xfrostHello folks, I got a question that respect to thunderbird and firefox, how can I enable the links I made click in thunderbird that opens a new tab in firefox?.08:57
graziePuMpErNiCkLe: e17 on ubuntu?08:57
PuMpErNiCkLegrazie: No, Arch.08:57
graziePuMpErNiCkLe: packaged or from source?08:58
PuMpErNiCkLePackaged, but it was the latest release anyway.08:59
noname_Is e17 good? I mean like usefull or just for style?08:59
PuMpErNiCkLeIt's great, but it's really different.09:00
graziePuMpErNiCkLe: I may have a look at that. thanks09:00
grazienoname_: I think it's great, but everyone knows it needs work09:01
noname_grazie: ok. hm. I think I will stay with xfce for a while then09:02
Grey_LokiIs there a WYSIWYG html editor for Xubuntu, similar to Dreamweaver?09:11
grazieGrey_Loki: nearest thing is nvu09:12
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Grey_Lokihttp://www.nvu.com/index.php ?09:12
grazieGrey_Loki: the WYSIWYG is much better than Dreamweaver imo09:12
grazieGrey_Loki: yes, but it's in the repos09:13
Grey_LokiThanks ;)09:14
grazieGrey_Loki: you'll want bluefish for php, etc09:15
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Grey_LokiI can only do straight HTML coding09:16
Grey_LokiNever got around to learning serverside scripting languages09:17
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drew1313hello all09:18
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drew1313I put xubuntu an an old celeron III W/128 RAM for my brother (he has brain damage) to see if he could learn computers/internet ... It wouldn't have been possable without xubuntu!09:21
foogyhi there. i baked my own kernel, it boots fine, but i'm missing some modules from the linux-restricted-modules package (madwifi and nvidia). where should i start? old kernel is 2.6.17-10, the new is 2.6.17-14 (modules in /lib/modules/
PuMpErNiCkLeYou built it yourself?09:23
foogythe compiler did, if you mean that09:25
drew1313This is probably obvious, but check multivers, and resticted repositories: I use sanaptic packege manager, but I am sure there is a way to get what you need using apt-get: but it is beond my knowlage as I am also new to xubuntu/ubuntu (I use ubunto on 3 of my pcs)09:26
PuMpErNiCkLeYou'll need to build the modules, too.  The nvidia module you can get from nvidia.com, and madwifi is available from madwifi.org.09:26
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Hawxhey guys09:27
PuMpErNiCkLe(They're not included in the main kernel source because of licencing.)09:27
foogythis is what i want to avoid, PuMpErNiCkLe. i hoped that i could use kernel modules that match the kernel version. I tried compiling the madwifi module but it complained that it could not determine the kernel architecture.09:28
PuMpErNiCkLeNot likely to work; kernel modules should be built against the kernel they'll be working with.09:32
HawxI'm installing Xubuntu on my G3 iMac, and it's currently repartitioning the drive (HFS took up all the space before), this won't ruin my OSX installation will it?09:33
foogywhy don't you ask this question before?09:34
drew1313if you told it to resize current patition.. than no it wont:)09:34
foogynot that i know the answer, but if ruins your hfs partition, it's to late know anyway09:34
Hawxfoogy: it's no big deal either way, really09:35
noname_okey guys. I have Xubuntu 6.10. How/where do I change opacity ant other cool stuff?09:36
HawxI wasn't using it at all before anyway09:36
Hawxthanks drew :)09:36
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foogyHawx: I'm really willing to compile new modules, but compiling madwifi fails, telling me that it cannot determine my kernel architecture.09:37
drew1313first time i did that in win NTFS, I had to reinstall windows, because the installer had trouble resising... so a created a partition 1/2 the size of the drive, installed win (fat32, so i could write to it in linux) than installed ubuntu.. nice dule boot setup09:38
foogyit complains about /usr/src/linux/.config, but I copied the .config file from my original xubuntu kernel.09:38
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Hawxfoogy: I'm a complete newbie to Linux, this is the first time I'll have ever installed it. :)09:40
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drew1313once you get used to it you will LOVE it..09:41
Grey_Lokinoname_, opacity of what?09:41
noname_windows and so. in screenshots from xfce-look.org they have opacity of their windows, menus and so on09:42
HawxI think it'll take a looong time to learn linux to a decent level :/09:42
drew1313if it wasn't for xubuntu, and it's light windowing interface, i wouldn't be able to afford a pc for my brother09:43
foogydrew: you need the very last version of xfce09:43
foogythe one delivered with xubuntu does not include that feature yet09:44
foogyyou can download the graphical installer package from xfce.org. worked quite good for me09:44
HawxIs it possible to change from xfce to another gui after installing?09:45
HawxJust out of interest09:45
Grey_LokiHawx, yes, it is.09:45
PuMpErNiCkLefoogy: The version in Xubuntu does support compositing.09:46
drew1313Hawx: hit the forms, ubuntu.com (which has documentation for all ubuntu varents) and I baught a cople of good books) I use ubuntu, and on one pc I use KDE windowing: my brother uses xubuntu ... but I can do everything my stuff can do, but on older hardware09:46
PuMpErNiCkLedrew1313: You'd need to enable compositing in window manager tweaks.09:46
foogyPuMpErNiCkLe: there was no option to do so until i updated to the newest release.09:47
drew1313yea, on this machine i can change "sessions" on log in, and chouse ether gnome, or KDE, so yes you can change..09:47
PuMpErNiCkLefoogy: It's sometimes hidden, but it's still available.09:48
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foogyok, however, it then was visible. but i disabled those effects again. nice to look at, but absolutely useless09:48
Grey_Lokifoogy, so maybe i'm being really dense about this09:49
Grey_LokiBut how do I download said graphical installer?09:49
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Grey_LokiI'm using the sf.net mirror, and it's just giving me a list of files contained :S09:49
tecywiz121hey, how would I make my computer start without gdm, and just go to xfce?09:49
HawxSo does the gui run on top of linux in the same way Win 3.1 ran on top of DOS, or is it more intricate than that?09:49
Grey_LokiHawx, Linux runs as Kernel>X>Window manager09:49
Grey_Loki(I think :P)09:50
drew1313I used sanaptic package manager: xubuntu, kubuntu and ubuntu all use the same base code,09:50
Hawxdrew: they all just have different GUIs?09:51
drew1313sanaptic will pick the required dependancies especially if you chouse a "metapackage"09:51
foogyGrey_Loki: did you even have a look at the xfce.org download page?09:51
drew1313Yes that's all!09:51
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Grey_Lokifoogy, yes. I've just worked it out, though. I was under the impression that the term 'release' meant an all-encompassing file09:51
Grey_LokiRather than an area wherein the actual contents of the release (the binaries, etc) was contained.09:52
kalikianadrew1313, it's synaptic ;)09:52
drew1313for KDE, look up metapackege  kdebase09:53
drew1313yea I know I can't spell for @^:+09:53
kalikianaincidently it's ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop09:53
drew1313but: Gnome, and KDE require 256 megs to run properly09:54
HawxAre Gnome and KDE that much better than xfce?09:55
kalikianaI do prefer XFCE - although RAM doesn't matter to me as I have plenty (1GB)09:55
foogyme too09:56
drew1313no, it is IMHO a matter of prefrence there are heated debates over which is "best" what is best is what you like best!09:57
kalikianaMany people reduce xfce to a de for low ressource machines. That's why I mentioned my ram.09:58
drew1313my prob with KDE is that it loks too much like an M$ .. oh  Im sorry didn't mean to use a bad word:-/09:58
foogyomg, please stop that09:59
kalikianakde is *meant* to resemble windows in a certain way. but that's not why you should ditch it.09:59
nonameDo I need to have "Composition manager" if I want to be able to change the opacity of windows and menus?10:00
grazienoname: i can help you turn on compositor (opacity), but it's a bit fiddly and it's busy in here right now10:00
drew1313I descovered xfce when setting up a pc for my brother and tat is why (only 128 megs RAM), but after using it with him I must admit it is NICE!10:00
kalikiananoname: you can use xfwm4's composition, beryl or compiz (so yes)10:00
nonameI dont have beryl or compiz. I want to use xfwm4's composition10:01
nonameI did find that site10:01
nonameIf you built Xfce against Xorg 6.8.0 or above and selected the feature Composition manager during the installation, you can now go on and enable transparency and window shadows in Xfce.10:01
kalikiananoname, if xgl or aiglx works for you, you can enable composition under 'window manager features' i think10:01
nonameexactly what is xgl?10:02
drew1313well, I am not "ditching KDE" I boot into it for certen things, but I mostly use Gnome10:02
kalikiananoname, for specific questions I'd recommend a visit at #ubuntu-xgl10:02
grazienoname: you just have to do a few file edits (I wouldn't worry about xgl or aiglx for now)10:03
kalikianadrew1313, if you like KDE and hate its visual appearance, you can change it ;)10:03
nonameokey. hm. could you help me to get composite in xfwm4 to work?10:04
nonameim a noob.. just so you know:P10:04
grazienoname: what hardware you using?10:05
nonamehm... 1ghz processor. 768mb ram. 48mb shared graphic10:06
nonameits a laptop... siemens lifebook s601010:06
drew1313Yea, I played around with it I got it tweeked fairly well, I was mostly speaking in general.. It did somthing wierd earler: when I exited the GIMP it took my panals with it: had to restart session10:06
HawxWill Beryl work with xfce?10:06
grazienoname: ok. it may slow you down a bit, so don't be disappointed10:07
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PuMpErNiCkLeHawx: Yeah.10:07
ubotuGTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI10:07
grazienoname: also I'm doing other stuff, so it'll take 15/20 minutes10:07
HawxI saw beryl on digg the other day, it looks cool as hell10:07
nonameI did install beryl for a few weeks ago and tried it. it didn't work perfect. but it was ok10:07
tecywiz121how do you 'get rid of' gdm and have xfce start automatically10:08
Grey_LokiWhat's the apt-get package name thingy for GTK?10:08
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).10:08
Grey_LokiOr, how do I find it out?10:08
nonamegrazie: ok i have time10:08
kalikianaBeryl is way faster than xfwm's composition and it has very handy features apart from visual effects.10:08
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drew1313hemmm maybee that's why gimp took me panels10:09
kalikianaBut I heard X.org is being improved so that xfwm will be faster as well.10:09
kalikianatecywiz121, just uninstall gdm :)10:09
tecywiz121kalikiana, would everything still work right?10:10
tecywiz121kalikiana, beryl is the best thing I have had the pleasure of playing with for linux :D10:11
grazienoname: add this http://pastebin.ca/339094 to the end of /etc/X11/xorg.conf10:11
kalikianatecywiz121, I think so as it worked for many people already - but no guarantee as always ;)10:11
tecywiz121kalikiana, awesome, thanks.  if it doesn't work, would I still have a terminal?10:11
kalikianatecywiz121, I'd say if Beryl is the best linux thingy for you, you still need to get much more into linux ;)10:12
tecywiz121kalikiana, lol, ok, it was the best to look at10:12
kalikianatecywiz121, you'll always have several virtual terminals, like even now10:12
nonamegrazie: done10:12
tecywiz121kalikiana, ok, thanks10:12
grazienoname: in a terminal 'locate xfwm4.xml'10:13
kalikianatecywiz121, ctrl+alt+f1 and ctrl+alt+f7 to switch virtual terminals :)10:13
nonamegrazie: /usr/share/xubuntu-default-settings/accessibility/xfce4/mcs_settings/xfwm4.xml10:13
drew1313gotta go eat: thaks ll it has, as always, been fun10:14
HawxAny idea how long it should take to repartition 50 gig over to Xubuntu from HFS? I think it's been about an hour already10:14
tecywiz121kalikiana, yep :)  Any idea on how to make either gdm/xdm see my home dir?10:14
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tecywiz121kalikiana, sorry, I forgot to mention its a FUSE filesystem, and any user other than mine can't open it.  root can't open it either :P10:15
grazienoname: ok. copy that file to ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/10:15
kalikianatecywiz121, reconfigure fuse for the other users I'd say, no idea where you'd want to see a folder in your display manager10:16
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tecywiz121kalikiana, it sets the $HOME variable, and it it doesn't set it right, nothing works10:16
kalikianatecywiz121, so... a)change the location of home b)reconfigure fuse or c)set $HOME yourself...10:18
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sdac221x_when my battery goes low i get a loud annoying beep, which is particularly ear damaging when i have earphones connected.  how can i change this annoying sound ?  thanks10:18
sdac221x_on edgy xubunu btw10:19
kalikianabut that's only spontaneous, I didn't encounter such a problem until now10:19
nonamegrazie: done10:19
sdac221x_kalikiana:  you didnt encounter sound when battery is low ?10:19
tecywiz121kalikiana, how could I reconfigure fuse?  All the users are members of the fuse group, and that's all I can think of10:19
grazienoname: save anything important and restart X (ctrl+alt+backspace)10:20
kalikianasdac221x_, sry, didn't mean to address you10:20
sdac221x_oh its ok.10:20
kalikianatecywiz121, I am starting fuse on startup as myself == the logged in user; I'm no expert, though10:21
sdac221x_can i install the kde preferences manager (i can't remember its actual name) on xubuntu ? is it safe ?10:21
kalikianasdac221x_, some people report weird behaviour in certain circumstances; theoretically yes10:22
tecywiz121kalikiana, I think a better idea would have been to mount /home/tecywiz121 on fuse instead of the entire home dir10:22
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nonamegrazie: restartet it10:22
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kalikianatecywiz121, Actually that's what I'm doing (although it's in /mnt)10:23
sdac221x_ok another question:   sometimes the panel which contains systray  and is set on "autohide" refuses to autohide ... is this an xfce issue or could it be some of my settings10:23
grazienoname: good. Launch Appplication > Settings > W M Tweaks10:23
nonamegrazie: yep10:24
tecywiz121kalikiana, so how would I set up fuse so that any user can access a mounted folder, because right now it ignores permissions, and only lets the user that mounted it access it10:24
kalikianatecywiz121, as I said I'm mounting it as the current user, so no idea really10:24
grazienoname: just disable and then re-enable something and close10:25
kalikianatecywiz121, you might try to modify the access rights for that folder(?)10:25
tecywiz121kalikiana, with chmod?10:25
nonamegrazie: hm okey..10:25
kalikianatecywiz121, that or Thunar ;)10:26
tecywiz121kalikiana, ok lol10:26
grazienoname: should now have ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/wmtweaks.xml.10:26
tecywiz121kalikiana, lol, the owner is some randomly long number :P10:26
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nonamegrazie: yes I do10:27
grazienoname: edit to this... UseCompositing" type="int" value="1"10:27
nonamegrazie: done10:28
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grazienoname: delete ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop/10:29
ChickenGirlsince I installed Edgy, I don't get an icon in my system tray when there are updates available anymore10:30
ChickenGirlanyone know how to get that back?10:30
nonamegrazie: ok10:31
nonamegrazie: its deleted10:31
grazienoname: reboot and it should be ready to play with using  Applications > Settings > W M Tweaks10:32
nonamegrazie: reboot the computer or just X?10:33
Commander-CroweI finally got iptables configured10:33
grazienoname: reboot to clear cache10:33
nonamegrazie: ok. thanks! I will be back again when I have more problems :p thank you :)10:34
ChickenGirlhmm, is "apt-watch" what I'm looking for?10:34
grazieChickenGirl: you using ubuntu or kubuntu?10:35
graziedon't think apt-watch is installed by default on xubuntu10:35
ChickenGirlah, "update-notifier"? "Daemon which notifies about package updates10:36
ChickenGirlPuts an icon in the user's notification area when package updates are10:36
kalikianaapt-watch requires gnome, that's why it's not in xubuntu10:36
kalikianabut someone said he's changing the dependencies10:36
kalikianaso it'll be in feisty I hope10:36
graziekalikiana: i hope not :)10:37
ChickenGirldid I have it before because I had gnome before?10:37
ChickenGirlI'm straight-up xubuntu now10:37
kalikianagrazie: why not??10:38
grazieChickenGirl: if it was a clean install you must have added it somehow10:38
ChickenGirlI had ubuntu before and then added xubuntu10:38
graziekalikiana: more background ticks, etc10:38
ChickenGirlfor edgy I replaced it with a clean xubuntu install10:39
ChickenGirlubuntu is supposed to have the notification icon, right? I wasn't imagining that?10:39
ChickenGirland then when I installed xubuntu it carried over or something10:40
Commander-CroweNice, we finally have a girl in hee10:40
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kalikianagrazie: I guess it should be quite handy, no idea how good it performs10:40
ChickenGirlyay, I'm a token O.o10:40
foogyyez, yez, yez!!10:40
ChickenGirlgreetings foogy10:41
kalikianaChickenGirl, Maybe you still have some gnome libraries?10:41
grazieChickenGirl: not the best person to ask. fairly new to all *ubuntus10:41
Commander-CroweChickenGirl I'm sure there's something other then sudp apt-get update10:41
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ChickenGirlI had been getting my updates by manually starting update manager, but I'm not good about remembering to do that very often10:42
ChickenGirlgreetings azathoth10:42
Commander-CroweChickenGirl but didn't you say you did a clean installation of Xubuntu? Then there should be no gnome10:42
azathothahoy hoy10:42
ChickenGirlright, I had gnome before, now I don't10:42
azathothhow can i enable dragging on my xfce desktop?10:43
kalikianaChickenGirl, do `apt-cache search gnome` and check if there is still some gnome ;)10:43
foogynow my kernel features setting cpu core voltage  :-)10:43
azathothit's really annoying not being able to drag to select my icons as in every other wm10:43
ChickenGirlkalikiana: when edgy came out I reformatted10:44
foogyackn, azathoth. that would be nice10:44
kalikianaChickenGirl, ah, ok :)10:44
ChickenGirlI'm not trying to get rid of the update notification, I didn't have it anymore and was trying to get it back :p10:44
Commander-Croweazathoth thats a Xfce thing, and i don't think they allow it yet10:44
azathothit seems counter-intuitive and just plain barmy10:44
azathothhaving to ctrl+click everything i want grouped...10:45
kalikianaazathoth, xfce's desktop will be recoded in the future, for now you'll have to wait10:45
Commander-Croweazathoth its resources dependant to have drag and drop, believe it or not10:45
azathothxfce seems to be really lagging behind in the drag+drop stakes... thunar for example can't stand people dragging things around10:45
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azathothreally? but thats crazy10:46
ChickenGirlI've never had a problem with dragging things in thunar10:46
azathothsurely it can be optional10:46
foogyazathoth: use thunar instead10:46
HawxWhat filesystem should I used for this new Xubuntu partition? It looks like it's defaulting to ext310:47
Commander-Croweuse ext3 unless you have a HDD thats 4+ years old10:48
azathothit'd be nicer if you could properly specify where things will go on the xfce-panel10:48
foogyanyone using gaim? how can i disable these "Global" and "SpamScanner" windows when connecting to IRC?10:48
kalikianaHawx, ext3 is good :)10:48
Commander-Crowethen I'd use reiserFS or EXT210:48
azathothinstead of having to add and mess with those seperators and stuff10:48
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HawxCrowe: It's 120gb 7200rpm10:48
azathothabsolute positioning on the panel would be heaven sent methinks...10:48
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ChickenGirlah, there's my icon :)10:49
Commander-CroweHawx you'll be fine10:49
HawxThanks :)10:49
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Hawxoh no, this isn't good10:55
cyberyakfoogy, I don't know, I prefer xchat for IRC10:55
HawxI've gone to System and Install, and it's come up witha a 'Missing command to run.' error10:55
HawxScratch that, I overlooked the shortcut on the desktop. :P10:57
foogybtw: is there any kind of transparent file compression in linux comparable to ntfs?11:05
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Hawx"No NewWorld boot partition was found, the yaboot boot loader requires an Apple_Bootstrap partition"...11:10
Commander-CroweHawx your on a PPC?11:11
HawxG3 iMac11:11
HawxShould I have used HFS instead?11:12
Commander-CroweNot sure11:13
Commander-Crowebut you must've used a PC boot loader11:13
HawxWell I burned the ISO onto CD using Nero in Windows11:13
HawxBut it booted in the Mac so I presumed that was alright11:13
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grazieHawx: i use ppc, what's the problem11:19
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Hawxgrazie: It won't let me install Xubuntu on this new ext3 partition I've made11:19
grazieHawx: what will not let you?11:20
HawxThe Xubuntu installer11:20
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grazieHawx: using live cd? if so how much memory on the machine?11:21
HawxMessage: "Filesystems used by the system (/, /boot, /usr, /var) must be reformattedfor use by this installer"11:21
Hawx"No NewWorld boot partition was found, the yaboot boot loader requires an Apple_Bootstrap partition"...11:21
HawxIt's 256mb11:22
grazieHawx: you should be fine. What where you doing prior to getting those messages11:23
HawxRepartitioning the drive, before I just had one big HFS partition for OSX11:23
HawxI've now made a 39gb ext3 partition11:23
grazieso you compressed the original hfs partition and and made a new ext311:24
grazieHawx: ?11:25
HawxThe original HFS is now 60gb11:26
Hawx(/dev/hda3 if that means anything)11:26
grazieyou need a swap partition. did you create one?11:26
HawxNo, what's a swap partition?11:26
grazieI'd recommend letting the install create the partitions for you.11:27
graziedelete the new ext3 partition and leave as free space11:28
HawxOn the 'prepare disk space' step it only offers me 'Erase entire disk', 'use the largest continous free space' or 'Manually edit partition table'11:28
HawxI was doing the last one as I'd rather not risk losing the OSX if I can avoid it11:28
graziethe installer will then make a swap and a root partition for xubuntu for you11:29
graziegrazie: i.e. 'use the largest continous free space'11:29
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grazieHawx: most savy linux users create a separate /home partition too, but I may be confusing you11:30
Hawxokay, so do I need to delete that ext3 partition before doing that?11:31
_max_i have a pair of headphones plugged into the speaker/headphone-out on my motherboard, alsamixer is set to max, vlc is set to max, but still audio is barely hearable =/ any ideas?11:31
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grazieHawx: I would11:31
HawxAre there any real benefits in putting /home in a separate partition? This is my first time using Linux so I'd like to cut down on the unnecessaries11:32
_max_Hawx: its an easy way of limiting your users to a certain ammount of the systems storage.11:32
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_max_if its a singleuser system theres slim to none reason for doing htat.11:33
HawxIt's just going to be used by me11:33
flashxfusionhey can any of you guys help me with a small problem11:33
flashxfusioni installed the latest xubuntu (6.10) using the alternate cd and i cant login11:34
flashxfusioni picked my username and password during the install11:34
flashxfusionand wen i try to login it gets to the desktop11:34
flashxfusionthen it goes back to the login screen11:34
HawxThanks grazie, looks like it's going to install now :)11:35
grazieif you think you may want to re-install new distros a lot it's a very good idea to have a separate /home. it keep the data separate. The installer might give you the option - I can't remember11:35
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grazieHawx: worry about users and resources later11:35
HawxUnless there's any particular reason to upgrade from 6.10 then I'll stick with this for some time, I think11:36
grazieHawx: if you're using 39M for xubuntu 5M for / should be plenty11:36
HawxI need to learn how to use Linux a lot better before I do anything too complicated11:37
cyberyakI am starting to think that acpi should not be connected to xubuntu-dexktop as a dep.11:37
grazieHawx: I meant 39G and 5G of course11:38
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HawxSure :)11:38
HawxIt's not given me any options yet, we'll see what happens11:39
HawxWhat PPC system are you using grazie?11:39
grazieHawx: I've got a G4 1.25Hz and a G3 B&W 350Mz (someone else has right now)11:40
cyberyakwow, I'm confused.  I just removed acpid acpi-support xubuntu-desktop power-management11:45
cyberyakfirst booted with acpi=off11:45
cyberyakthen removed.11:45
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cyberyakupon reboot without acpi=off on the command line, I do not have apmd running (which it was before), nor do I have acpid running (which I expected as I removed it).11:48
cyberyakbut the fan is under the control of something.11:48
cyberyakso the kernel acpi routines are handling this.11:48
cyberyakactually that last line was a question.11:49
HawxYou lost me after 'wow'.11:49
cyberyakglad I'm not the only one lost.11:50
cyberyakI want/NEED apm instead of acpi11:50
cyberyakI'll screw with this some more11:50
HawxWill it be possible for Xubuntu to read my HFS partition? All my MP3s are stored on there11:56
cyberyakok, how hosed will I be for removing xubuntu-desktop for updating purposes?11:56
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grazieHawx: yes fine, you can even write if journaling is turned off, but wouldn't advise it11:59
Hawxnice :)12:00
inimesekenehello, does edgy xubuntu have the composite extension on by default?12:02
HawxWell it's finished installing so I ejected the disc and pressed Restart Now, and nothing's happened :P12:03
grazieinimesekene: supports it, but it's not turn on probably by default12:03
inimesekeneok, but how do you change resolution in it?12:03
grazieHawx: you may need to use the power switch12:04
HawxYeah it's stopped working entirely now :P12:04
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grazieinimesekene: Applications > Settings > Display Settings12:05
grazieHawx: nothing works?12:05
HawxI've turned it off and on again, here we go12:06
HawxThe mouse pointer was moving but nothing else :P12:06
inimesekenegrazie, but how about refresh rate12:06
grazieinimesekene: any reason you need to change it?12:07
inimesekeneyeah, it's a crt and too low refresh rate hurts eyes12:07
inimesekenecan't go up from 74 hz but using 85 hz on gnome12:08
grazieinimesekene: there's any tool you can run...the name escapes me....anyone else remind me?12:09
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HawxThanks for the help, it's up and running :)12:09
grazieHawx: great. have fun12:09
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