[12:41] <megamaced> Hi, I have a strange problem with my XFCE Settings Manager. It displays 'Button Label' next to some options. See pic: http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2034/xfcesettingsmanagerzo3.jpg
[12:45] <cyros> how do i make xfce4-panel auto start
[12:45] <somerville32> cyros: Start it and then quit normally
[12:45] <cyros> and it should always start when i reboot
[12:46] <maxamillion> cyros: yes, it should
[12:46] <grazie> megamaced: what version of xubuntu you using?
[12:46] <kalikiana> megamaced: I know this error, I think you need to upgrade xfce
[12:47] <megamaced> I am running Xubuntu 6.10
[12:47] <megamaced> Originally it was Breezy server, then Xubuntu Dapper, then Xubuntu Edgy :D
[12:48] <megamaced> The problem happened in Dapper first
[12:48] <megamaced> The Edgy upgrade didn't fix it
[12:48] <cyros> hmm i tried quiting and it said "Quitting the session requires that xfces session manager, xfce-session is running but it was not detected please quit xfce via another means"
[12:48] <kalikiana> megamaced, You could update manually via the graphical installer
[12:49] <megamaced> kalikiana: upgrade to what?
[12:49] <somerville32> cyros: press alt+f2 and xfce4-session
[12:49] <kalikiana> megamaced, If you install to /usr/bin like the ubuntu package does, it should be doing fine
[12:49] <kalikiana> megamaced, To xfce4.4 final
[12:50] <megamaced> kalikiana: So you propose I upgrade to Fiesty?
[12:50] <megamaced> kalikiana: I was thinking I'd just need to edit a configuration file or something
[12:50] <grazie> i can see megamaced problem on feisty, but edgy is is fine. Maybe a you've picked up dodgy update?
[12:50] <kalikiana> megamaced, No, don't change your Ubuntu setup, just update xfce
[12:51] <megamaced> kalikiana: I don't like using unofficial packages though. I prefer to keep within the ubuntu repos
[12:51] <kalikiana> I believe the error is in the ubuntu package but the current installer works fine.
[12:51] <grazie> but xfce 4.4 isn't available on edgy is it?
[12:51] <crimsun> no, nor will it be.
[12:51] <kalikiana> megamaced, So just leave your package and install xfce from the website over it
[12:52] <anon_> my desktop didn't load
[12:52] <kalikiana> You could of course create a debian package via checkinstall or dpkg if you want.
[12:53] <grazie> kalikiana: you think this is a good idea?
[12:53] <anon_> the icons, etc
[12:53] <megamaced> kalikiana: That'll probably break my system when I upgrade to Fiesty in a few months
[12:53] <anon_> xfce4-? in alt-f2?
[12:53] <kalikiana> grazie: It is what I'm using and it's working fine.
[12:53] <megamaced> kalikiana: I did sudo 'dpkg-reconfigure xfce4-mcs-manager' and that solved some of the buttons labels
[12:53] <kalikiana> megamaced, I did that in Dapper and updated to Edgy, there it worked
[12:54] <kalikiana> If you find any other way around it and don't need the xfce final it's ok
[12:54] <megamaced> kalikiana: Do you know where the core configuration files for the settings manager are?
[12:54] <kalikiana> Personally I like to have the final anyway
[12:55] <kalikiana> megamaced, ~/.config/xfce I think
[12:56] <megamaced> kalikiana: If I were going to install the final XFCE on Edgy, i'd probably backport it myself using Prevu
[12:56] <megamaced> but that would take ages to compile :D
[12:56] <grazie> anyone know if there's a maximum file size allowed for attachments on bug reports?
[12:56] <kalikiana> megamaced, as I said you can of course create a debian package yourself if you don't like a 'raw' installation. ;)
[12:56] <foogy> i just bootet with kernel 2.6.17-14, but before i had 2.6.17-10. now i'm missing some modules, e.g. my wireless adapter does not show up as well as the nvidia module. any idea?
[12:56] <cyros> damn my panel wont load till i run xfce4-panel but after that i cant even quit, and i try and run xfce4-session and it says its already running
[12:58] <megamaced> kalikiana: Yeah, that's what Prevu does. It downloads the Feisty sources and backports them and makes fresh Debian packages :)
[12:58] <foogy> can i use my "old" modules with the new kernel? if so, how? i tried to set a symlink in /sys/linux-restricted-modules but it didn't help
[12:58] <cyros> im gonna try an update cause i froze last time and i had to kill it maybe that fucked it up
[12:58] <cyros> im gonna update now
[12:59] <kalikiana> ah, didn't do such a thing... I'm compiling one or the other svn app anyway :P
[01:01] <Taram> hi hyper_ch
[01:03] <PuMpErNiCkLe> foogy: No, you have to update the modules, too.
[01:05] <foogy> ok, let me tell you what i did so far: baked the kernel using make-kpkg, resulting in a .deb file. then i installed this .deb with dpkg -i ...deb. what's missing?
[01:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Installing a new nvidia kernel module.
[01:06] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The nvidia driver, being proprietary, doesn't come with the kernel.
[01:07] <foogy> ok, but why does my wireless card not show up?
[01:08] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Probably the same reason.
[01:12] <mikeh0209> has anyone here used xubuntu on a usb stick
[01:15] <mikeh0209> is anyone here
[01:16] <somerville32> yup
[01:16] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !anyone
[01:16] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:16] <mikeh0209> has anyone here used xubuntu on a usb stick
[01:17] <mikeh0209> that is my question
[01:17] <somerville32> mikeh0209, nope
[01:18] <mikeh0209> i am using xubuntu on my 2GB usb stick and i was wondering if anyone here has some tips and or tricks for say saving sessions when running xubuntu on a usb stick
[01:19] <foogy> any idea what package to install to use restricted modules with kernel 2.6.17-14? there is only a package for 2.6.17-10 available in synaptic
[01:20] <wis> i`m having a problem to use OpenOficce on my Xubuntu, the program is installed, all dependences are OK but it`s not running... Anyone to help me? please
[01:20] <Commander-Crowe> does anyone have a good tut on getting beryl to work in edgy using nvidia drivers? I lost all my bookmarks
[01:22] <megamaced> Commander-Crowe: check out the Beryl Wiki: http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu
[01:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Commander-Crowe: AIGLX or XGL?
[01:23] <Commander-Crowe> beryl
[01:23] <megamaced> AIGLX is the better route to take for Edgy
[01:23] <Commander-Crowe> XGL I think
[01:23] <Commander-Crowe> maybe AIGLX
[01:23] <megamaced> Commander-Crowe: you want AIGLX
[01:24] <Zell_SF> can anyone here give me a direct link to the latest nvidia drivers?
[01:24] <megamaced> Commander-Crowe: XGL is pretty much depreachiated now; only good for Dapper
[01:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Zell_SF: Beta, or stable?
[01:24] <Zell_SF> stable, I guess
[01:24] <megamaced> Zell_SF: See this link for repo: http://www.albertomilone.com/instructions.html
[01:24] <Zell_SF> not looking for a repo
[01:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Zell_SF: Which version of Xubuntu?  Edgy?
[01:25] <Zell_SF> yes
[01:25] <Zell_SF> and I need to reinstall the official driver to get X working again after an update
[01:26] <Zell_SF> And nvidia's download page hates both the browsers I use for some mysterious reason
[01:26] <megamaced> Zell_SF: well go to nVidia's website then. LOL
[01:26] <megamaced> oh
[01:26] <foogy> good night!
[01:26] <Zell_SF> I would, but they refuse to give me a direct link I can wget
[01:27] <megamaced> What browser are you using?
[01:27] <Zell_SF> Camino, Safari
[01:27] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Zell_SF: Final question: which arch? i386?
[01:28] <Zell_SF> Uh, how would I know that?
[01:28] <PuMpErNiCkLe> PC or Mac box?
[01:28] <Zell_SF> Pc
[01:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/restricted/l/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.17/nvidia-glx_1.0.8776+2.6.17.7-10.1_i386.deb
[01:29] <PuMpErNiCkLe> That's a direct link to the latest driver for Edgy.
[01:30] <Zell_SF> which is rather outdated.
[01:38] <cyros> xfce still giving me problems can i reinstall it?
[01:38] <cyros> with apt-get?
[01:46] <DanZ> how do I adjust the sound volume?
[01:48] <grazie> DanZ: have you added the volume control to the panel?
[02:38] <Hawxy> hey
[02:43] <Hawxy> I was thinking about installing ubuntu on a 500mhz G3 iMac, would it be better to go with gnome or kfce?
[02:43] <j1mc> Hawxy, you're in the xubuntu IRC channel.  :)  Would you consider installing xubuntu?  :-)
[02:44] <j1mc> Xfce would be better on that machine than Gnome or KDE.
[02:44] <j1mc> oh, sorry, you wrote Kfce . . .   I thought you typed KDE.
[02:44] <j1mc> Xfce would run better on it than gnome.
[02:45] <Hawxy> Thanks :)
[02:45] <Hawxy> The only difference between xubuntu and ubuntu is the GUI right? I'm very new to Linux, I must admit
[02:46] <Stormx2> Hey. How well would Xubuntu run on a pc with a 858MHz processor and 256mb of ram?
[02:47] <somerville32> It would run well
[02:47] <Hawxy> XFCE yes, sorry :)
[02:48] <j1mc> Stormx2, I run Xubuntu on a PIII 800 w/ 256mb of RAM w/o any problems.  i know that somerville32 runs (or ran) his PC with less RAM w/o any problems either.  :)
[02:48] <Stormx2> Goodo
[02:48] <somerville32> Hawxy, *Xfce
[02:48] <Stormx2> my younger brother is running win2000 and the moment and its causing him more trouble than its worth
[02:48] <somerville32> hehe
[02:49] <somerville32> Stormx2, You'd probably be able to run Ubuntu on a 800mgz w/ 256mb of ram but you'll find Xubuntu faster.
[02:50] <Stormx2> I run ubuntu myself, but then again I have triple his ram and double his processor speed
[02:50] <Hawxy> My G3 only has 256mb too
[02:50] <Stormx2> the machine has been a gateway/firewall for about 10 years...
[03:17] <cellofellow> what's up?
[03:30] <rizzo> I want to set up a command-line xubuntu system to be a printer server
[03:31] <rizzo> offhand I assume I want cups
[03:35] <cellofellow> cups is the thing. You'll also want to enable the web-based cups configuration system.
[03:37] <rizzo> and hpijs for hp-deskjet-5740?
[03:37] <rizzo> so says http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_5740 anyway
[03:37] <cellofellow> uhuh.
[03:38] <cellofellow> hpijs drivers are installed default anyways I think.
[03:38] <rizzo> these weren't
[03:38] <cellofellow> oh, oh well then.
[03:38] <rizzo> this is a command-line system though.  pretty barebones to start
[03:39] <cellofellow> it's no pain to install, though.
[03:39] <rizzo> anything special to enable web-cups-admin?
[03:40] <cellofellow> um, it's there but read-only so I think you have to fuss about with permissions to get it so you can write to it.
[03:40] <cellofellow> !cups
[03:40] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[03:40] <rizzo> thanks
[03:40] <cellofellow> not sure how.
[03:53] <rizzo> ok got to the web admin page, but when I go to "add printer", I get a 403
[03:54] <rizzo> hm
[03:54] <cellofellow> like I said, read-only
[04:21] <RememberPOL> Is there a way to install build-essential without the CDROM?
[04:23] <somerville32> Yup.
[04:23] <somerville32> Just install from the internet repositories
[04:23] <RememberPOL> how exactly.
[04:23] <RememberPOL> `sudo apt-get install build-essential` prompts me to insert the CDROM
[04:25] <RememberPOL> Okay i had to comment the cdrom line out of sources.list
[04:31] <rizzo> I hosed something
[04:32] <rizzo> Setting up cupsys (1.2.4-2ubuntu3) ...
[04:32] <rizzo> chown: cannot access `/etc/cups/cupsd.conf': No such file or directory
[04:32] <rizzo> I can't install cupsys now
[04:32] <rizzo> nor can i install samba
[04:32] <rizzo> wouldn't cupsys install that file?
[04:44] <jt_a7x_3> Hi
[04:45] <jt_a7x_3> I'm a current Ubuntu user, and I'm looking at some other distros of linux etc... I saw Xubuntu on the site, Is this really just a more minimal OS of ubunty?
[04:45] <jt_a7x_3> ubuntu*
[04:47] <rizzo> more or less
[04:47] <rizzo> ubuntu with xfce instead of gnome
[04:47] <rizzo> oh
[04:47] <rizzo> Is there a way to look up what package provides /etc/cups/cupsd.conf?
[04:48] <cellofellow> I need a CD ripper that will actually write meta tags to ogg, Grip just isn't doing it.
[04:49] <cellofellow> anybody know of one?
[04:50] <bigfuzzyjesus> xfburn?
[04:50] <cellofellow> for rip?
[04:50] <bigfuzzyjesus> oh no
[04:50] <bigfuzzyjesus> nvm
[05:45] <cellofellow> (just so everybody knows, abcde, even though it isn't GUI, seems promising.
[05:45] <cellofellow> )
[05:45] <rizzo> cellofellow: I love abcde
[05:45] <rizzo> puts everything together perfectly
[05:45] <cellofellow> :)
[05:46] <cellofellow> Grip just kept really messing up the ID3 tags when I'd encode as Ogg. I like having the CDDB actually work, instead of my having to do it manually.
[05:57] <Cippy> are there any disadvantages of using Xubuntu as opposed to Ubuntu?
[06:12] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Cippy: It doesn't have all the features of Ubuntu; all the main things are there, but a lot of smaller things aren't.
[06:13] <PuMpErNiCkLe> e.g: smb browsing, graphical menu editing, the desktop manager is kinda clunky... stuff like that.
[06:14] <Cippy> ok
[06:14] <Cippy> because i'm having problems getting my Ubuntu LiveCD to work
[06:14] <Cippy> so I'm considering trying Xubuntu
[06:14] <Cippy> (my machine is kinda old)
[06:22] <PuMpErNiCkLe> What kind of problems?  It could just be because of too little RAM.
[06:23] <Cippy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=352143
[06:23] <Cippy> ^I explain it there
[06:56] <cellofellow> the world seems to crawl when you're encoding a CD.
[07:18] <cyberyak> is there a xubuntu mirror in North America?
[07:18] <DarthLappy> All the mirrors are the same as for Ubuntu.
[07:21] <maxamillion> cyberyak: you need an iso download mirror or just an apt source mirror?
[07:21] <cyberyak> iso dl mirror
[07:22] <maxamillion> cyberyak: which release?
[07:22] <cyberyak> hrm.  xubuntu 6.10
[07:22] <cyberyak> all the mirrors seem to be in Europe
[07:23] <maxamillion> cyberyak: actually .. it looks like our North America mirror for 6.06 went down ... so no, we don't have any mirrors in NA
[07:23] <maxamillion> :(
[07:23] <cyberyak> k, thx.  Just making sure I hadn't overlooked something.
[07:27] <maxamillion> nope ... sure didn't
[07:32] <cyberyak> I get decent speed out of the second portugal link.
[07:32] <cyberyak> the first portugal site seems to have a bad link for the "PC (Intel x86) alternate install CD"
[07:32] <maxamillion> good news, where are you geographically located?
[07:33] <maxamillion> ooo, i will look into that
[07:33] <cyberyak> Houston, TX USA.
[07:33] <cyberyak> trying to get around an ACPI issue.
[07:33] <maxamillion> cyberyak: lol ... i am from there, just up the road at SHSU for college :)
[07:33] <maxamillion> cyberyak: i lived right at 1960 and Jones
[07:33] <cyberyak> good ol' Sam
[07:34] <cyberyak> I'm down in the SW corner of 610
[07:34] <cyberyak> Meyerland/Westbury area
[07:34] <maxamillion> yeah ... its alright, there computer science program here is about average but there are a couple profs who are really good
[07:34] <maxamillion> ohhh ok, i know that area (vaguely, but i have been there)
[07:35] <cyberyak> I have a condo (well actually 2 at the moment) in the galleria.
[07:35] <cyberyak> but I'm in a house down here.
[07:37] <cyberyak> I'm not even completely certain it's ACPI, but I have seen similar issues with debian sarge a while back.
[07:37] <cyberyak> the BIOS in the notebook isn't 100%ACPI compliant.
[07:37] <cyberyak> but ACPI thinks it is.
[07:37] <cyberyak> and then the unit overheats.
[07:37] <maxamillion> hrmmm... ACPI seems to be the cause of problems
[07:37] <cyberyak> and shuts down in a less than graceful manner.
[07:38] <maxamillion> maybe apmd would be a better choice?
[07:38] <maxamillion> !apmd
[07:38] <ubotu> apmd: Utilities for Advanced Power Management (APM). In component main, is optional. Version 3.2.2-7ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 57 kB, installed size 280 kB
[07:38] <cyberyak> that's what I did in sarge
[07:38] <maxamillion> ah ok
[07:38] <cyberyak> but I have to get the alternate install cd.
[07:38] <cyberyak> ubuntu-desktop has a dep on ACPI
[07:39] <cyberyak> and acpi-support
[07:39] <cyberyak> and one other package that escapes me.
[07:39] <cyberyak> removing them seems to break stuff.
[07:39] <cyberyak> and then I couldn't apt-get them back.
[07:40] <cyberyak> there seems to be some kind of loop in the dependency, but I couldn't figure it out.
[07:40] <cyberyak> apt-get -f didn't work
[07:40] <cyberyak> --configure
[07:40] <cyberyak> --reconfigure
[07:40] <cyberyak> all seemed to error out.
[07:41] <cyberyak> it was quite hosed.
[07:41] <maxamillion> sudo aptitude -f upgrade
[07:41] <cyberyak> I should have come in here before I reinstalled the machine
[07:41] <cyberyak> I did.
[07:41] <cyberyak> same results.
[07:41] <maxamillion> that might help .... aptitude is normally better at fixing dependancy issues than apt-get
[07:41] <maxamillion> oh ...
[07:41] <maxamillion> hrmm
[07:41] <cyberyak> at least I think I did.
[07:42] <cyberyak> I screwed with dpkg as well
[07:42] <maxamillion> cyberyak: its a little "un-debian" but you could install smart, smart is ... well smart and might be able to figure it out
[07:42] <maxamillion> it really is the best package manager out there right now (i still prefer aptitude just because i am a debian faithful, but i must give credit where it is due)
[07:43] <cyberyak> unfortunately, I blew the system away when I tried to install with acpi=off
[07:43] <cyberyak> it still installs the packages.
[07:43] <maxamillion> interesting
[07:43] <cyberyak> it just turns it off at the kernel level.
[07:43] <maxamillion> maybe just leave them in place, install apmd and just add acpi to the blacklist file
[07:44] <cyberyak> there's a thought.
[07:44] <cyberyak> blacklist them.
[07:44] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Does booting with the 'noacpi' option not work?
[07:45] <cyberyak> noacpi doesn't seem to work, but the acpi=off does
[07:45] <grazie> maxamillion: I need a little advice on bug report filing procedure
[07:45] <cyberyak> If I turn it off at the kernal, then I lose the ability to poll the sensors to see how the system is functioning.
[07:46] <cyberyak> kernel
[07:46] <maxamillion> grazie: shoot
[07:47] <grazie> maxamillion: found problems with update-manager & gnome-app-install with no bugs I can see on herd 3
[07:48] <grazie> maxamillion: but they're both fixed with package updates, so don't bother filing a bug?
[07:48] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah, i wouldn't ... if they fixed them then they are probably old bugs that just got fixed
[07:49] <grazie> maxamillion: ok
[07:50] <maxamillion> or could have just been part of the upstream devel cycle ... but either way i wouldn't bother because they would probably just say something like "fixed in upstream"
[07:52] <grazie> maxamillion: I know asked about this before, but ubuntu, kubuntu & edubuntu ISOs all have a build IDs, but can't find anything for xubuntu
[07:59] <maxamillion> grazie: not entirely sure about the build ID, i think its because we haven't officially released a Herd 3 image yet, there is just Herd 3 candidates atm
[08:00] <maxamillion> i gotta run ... bbl
[08:01] <satori> anyone know the Link to latest nightly for herd three feisty?
[08:02] <grazie> satori: yep..just a sec
[08:03] <grazie> satori: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ReportingResults
[08:03] <satori> rad thanks.
[08:14] <kyle_> Hiya people.
[08:14] <kyle_> What's goin down?
[08:33] <kyle_> Peoples?
[08:33] <kyle_> Listen to me!
[08:33] <kyle_> Now!
[08:33] <kyle_> All hail king Kyle.
[08:33] <kyle_> Shazam..
[08:33] <kyle_> How did you like that entrance?
[09:21] <TheSheep> kyle_: a little ungrammatical
[09:21] <kyle_> Oh, whatever. You know you liked it.
[09:46] <hyper_ch> hiho
[10:04] <DarthLappy> Your project?
[10:10] <kalikiana> DarthLappy, catfish :)
[10:10] <kalikiana> https://translations.launchpad.net/catfish/+translations
[10:10] <DarthLappy> Fishcat
[10:10] <DarthLappy> :D
[10:11] <kalikiana> You don't by chance speake any non-English language?
[10:11] <DarthLappy> I don't "speak" them, per se...
[10:12] <TheSheep> kalikiana: Polish? :)
[10:13] <kalikiana> TheSheep, if you want to do this I wouldn't mind :)
[10:13] <kalikiana> My statistics say that I have two or three polish users.
[10:21] <hyper_ch> what is that project?
[10:22] <kalikiana> hyper_ch, http://software.twotoasts.de?page=catfish
[10:23] <hyper_ch> is there some language file where just the translations can be entered?
[10:24] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you can do it on that page
[10:24] <kalikiana> hyper_ch, I could give you a po file with strings if you don't like launchpad
[10:26] <hyper_ch> well, you have already a german translation?
[10:28] <kalikiana> yep, I'm German :P
[10:28] <hyper_ch> :)
[10:28] <hyper_ch> and Swiss German Translation? ^^
[10:29] <kalikiana> I don't know if there would be differences, I could give you the German po...
[10:29] <hyper_ch> Schwyzerdtsch isch kompled andersch... sg bloss du hesch das no nie ghrt
[10:29] <hyper_ch> ^^
[10:30] <kalikiana|away> hyper_ch, http://deadbeefbabe.org/paste/3511
[10:30] <kalikiana|away> Pastebin doesn't seem to like umlauts or accents. :(
[10:30] <hyper_ch> I don't think a swiss german translation would be necessary :)
[10:32] <kalikiana|away> Don't they speak two or three languages where you live? *g
[10:32] <hyper_ch> Hmmm, let me see
[10:32] <hyper_ch> French
[10:32] <hyper_ch> italian
[10:32] <hyper_ch> Croatian
[10:32] <kalikiana|away> French is half complete and I'm not fluent enough there...
[10:32] <hyper_ch> Russsian
[10:33] <kalikiana|away> And you speak all these? That might come in handy. :D
[10:34] <hyper_ch> not fuent enough :)
[10:34] <hyper_ch> fluent :)
[10:35] <kalikiana|php> Anyone else willing to translate? :D
[10:36] <kalikiana|php> I have many Russian referers, so that would be good to have.
[10:37] <hyper_ch> how many chinese?
[10:40] <kalikiana|php> can't say, only few I think
[10:41] <kalikiana|php> But there are Japanese
[10:42] <kalikiana|php> And I like Japanese :)
[10:43] <kalikiana|php> TheSheep, Thank you for what you are currently doing :)
[10:47] <TheSheep> kalikiana|php: btw, if you used dbus for communicating with tracker, the daemon would start automagically
[10:47] <TheSheep> Sorry, something just went wrong in Launchpad. Weve recorded what happened, and well fix it as soon as possible. Apologies for the inconvenience. XD
[10:47] <TheSheep> just my luck
[10:48] <kalikiana|php> TheSheep, don't worry, I'll do dbus support some day in this year - and incidently for me it auto-starts without dbus
[10:48] <kalikiana|php> launchpad likes to have random errors, just reload and it will probably work :P
[11:05] <DarthLappy> Oh yay... I have a memory hog and a CPU hog...
[11:07] <DarthLappy> :O
[11:07] <DarthLappy> Well the weird thing is that Gaim is the CPU hog...
[11:07] <DarthLappy> Firefox is sorta normal as a memory eater.
[11:16] <juliux> hi has somebody the xubuntu banner as svg file with the ubuntu title font?
[11:19] <TheSheep> juliux: check the wiki
[11:19] <juliux> TheSheep, there is nothing;)
[11:19] <juliux> TheSheep, there is the xubuntu banner only as a png
[11:20] <TheSheep> juliux: the font is the same as for ubuntu -- it's available on the ubuntu wiki pages
[11:20] <TheSheep> juliux: the logo is available in several formats on the wiki too
[11:21] <juliux> TheSheep, this i kow but i am asking for a ready banner
[11:21] <TheSheep> juliux: ah, best contact the author then :)
[11:22] <juliux> ok
[01:14] <slow-motion> hallo
[01:16] <Grey_Loki> 'lo
[01:17] <Grey_Loki> Connection trouble?
[01:58] <lejocelyn> hi
[01:59] <kalikiana|php> hi
[01:59] <lejocelyn> I need to test my memory
[01:59] <lejocelyn> I've installed memtest86+
[01:59] <lejocelyn> but I don't know how touse it
[02:00] <lejocelyn> and there is no man page
[02:00] <lejocelyn> :(
[02:00] <kalikiana|php> I think it's installed by default? It's in grub for me.
[02:00] <lejocelyn> do I need to be in single user mode ?
[02:00] <lejocelyn> ok, so I need to go in the grub command line ?
[02:01] <lejocelyn> but there, there will be a man page ?
[02:01] <kalikiana|php> Choose it on boot instead of the linux kernel.
[02:01] <kalikiana|php> Isn't it in your bott menu?
[02:01] <lejocelyn> it is
[02:02] <lejocelyn> ok ok, I'll test
[02:02] <kalikiana|php> Actually I never tried to start it, but doesn't running at from grub work?
[02:02] <lejocelyn> I don't know
[02:02] <kalikiana|php> s/at/it
[02:02] <lejocelyn> but I don't think there are man page in the grub ...
[02:02] <lejocelyn> and that's the problem
[02:02] <lejocelyn> anyway, I'll see
[02:02] <kalikiana|php> What about google? ;)
[02:03] <lejocelyn> google doesn't work in grub ...
[02:04] <lejocelyn> and I don't know exactly what I need to use properly grub
[02:04] <lejocelyn> so I won't be able to remember everything I read on the Net
[02:05] <kalikiana|php> Just google for some basic commands or tutorial on memtest and write it down.
[02:07] <lejocelyn> yep
[02:14] <kalikiana|php> Any way to get a 'run as superuser' menu for files in Thunar?
[02:16] <kalikiana|php> Nevermind, 'gksudo %f' works.
[02:36] <morphir> anyone upgraded their xubuntu to xfce4.4?
[02:53] <kalikiana|php> morphir: me :)
[03:04] <pillo> does it make sense to upgrade to 4.4 and what is the easy to do it on xubuntu6.06 ?
[03:12] <kalikiana|php> pillo: Imho it makes sense to get xfce4.4 stable since the betas had many annoyances. I'd recommend using the graphical installer from xfce.org and installing to /usr/bin
[03:30] <ssmith> Hey guys, I'm having trouble with font sizes in XFCE
[03:30] <ssmith> on the panel and in thunar they stay really small, and I can't increase the size with the User Interface settings
[03:48] <slow-motion> bye
[03:54] <michaelpo> what is the name of the app in ubuntu6.06 to burn cd of downloaded iso?
[04:04] <michaelpo> ok.. the howto say to right click and "writing image to disc", but i'm not sure if it can detect my writer... it keep on asking me to put in cd or cdrw... i have tried many different blank cds and cdrws already...
[04:05] <TABASCO> hi all
[04:06] <michaelpo> what do i do now... help...
[04:17] <michaelpo> how do i check if ubuntu6.06 detected my cdwriter correctly or not?
[04:37] <Stormx2> michaelpo: uhg... we don't know
[04:37] <Stormx2> michaelpo: Chances are it has. You can use k3b to burn an ISO
[04:38] <michaelpo> k3b is kde?
[04:40] <apokryphos> a kde-based application, yes. But like all KDE applications, you can run it just fine in gnome/xfce
[06:09] <heyyou> hey all
[06:11] <heyyou> i couldnt find an option to download a livecd version of xubunutu... is there one?
[06:13] <Pekke> i thought it's the same image where is the installing & live usage....
[06:14] <Pekke> at least i had it that way.
[06:16] <heyyou> oh okay
[06:16] <heyyou> nice
[06:16] <heyyou> another question...
[06:17] <heyyou> can you save files using the livecd version?
[06:21] <Pekke> i don't know about that.,,,,,...
[06:21] <heyyou> oh okat
[06:22] <heyyou> do you run xubuntu exclusively?
[06:23] <Pekke> yes
[06:24] <Pekke> i had windows xp and xubuntu before, but i got fed up with windows and removed it.
[06:25] <heyyou> ah okay
[06:25] <heyyou> im using a tweaked version of 2k3
[06:25] <Pekke> yep
[06:27] <Pekke> but this is my secondary computer, which i use most of my time when not doing something with Adobes software. I use windows still on my "work" computer, because i have not had a chance to test wine yet....
[06:27] <heyyou> oh ok
[06:27] <heyyou> hmm
[06:31] <Pekke> and this is only 800 mhz, so i couldn't run that kind of software on this anyway, but i may install Kubuntu into the other computer, if i get convinced that photoshop, flash 8, illustrator and premiere work fine on Kubuntu... =)
[07:42] <tictacaddict> can I mount the initrd image with loopback?
[08:18] <BrendanM> Hey, for some reason occasionally when I reboot or return from hibernate, a bunch of my panel applets have dissapeared
[08:19] <BrendanM> does anyone know why this might might be happening?
[08:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Buggy panels.  It's a fairly common issue.
[08:22] <galorin> does the xubuntu installer pick up existing Linux RAID devices and LVM groups?
[08:26] <TheSheep> galorin: I think it doesn't touch anything if you don't tell it explicitly
[08:26] <galorin> ok, this'll be fun.  forced downgrade from 64 bit to 32 bit
[08:46] <sfdsfds> hello
[08:47] <sfdsfds> can anyone tell me where a usb disk will be located, on the filesystem, from the commandline?
[08:48] <sfdsfds> it loads as sdg cut try as i might, i cannot find it
[08:48] <sfdsfds> s/cut/but/g
[08:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Did you mount it?
[08:49] <galorin> sfdsfds, it/s /dev/hdg but needs mounting
[08:49] <sfdsfds> thats just it - how is that done with *usb* stuff
[08:49] <sfdsfds> no it appears as /dev/sdg
[08:49] <PuMpErNiCkLe> The same way it's done with any disk.
[08:50] <galorin> small screaming child affecgting reading and typing
[08:50] <sfdsfds> but i look in fstab and it says that usb disks are taken care of by udev and are not there, when i try to mount it, it says its not in fstab
[08:51] <sfdsfds> i know what ill try
[08:51] <sfdsfds> 1 sec
[08:51] <sfdsfds> brb
[08:52] <sfdsfds> right
[08:52] <sfdsfds> whats 0xb9 media type :)
[08:52] <sfdsfds> ill prob find that in fdisk
[08:53] <noname_> has anyone in here used e17?
[08:53] <sfdsfds> brb (thanks btw)
[08:54] <grazie> noname_: only with elive
[08:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> USB disks are recognized and dealt with by udev, yes.  They may be automounted at /media, depending on the udev rule that applies.
[08:55] <PuMpErNiCkLe> noname_: Yeah, about two months ago.
[08:55] <sfdsfds> folks, thanks, i was having a blonde moment
[08:57] <xfrost> Hello folks, I got a question that respect to thunderbird and firefox, how can I enable the links I made click in thunderbird that opens a new tab in firefox?.
[08:57] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: e17 on ubuntu?
[08:57] <PuMpErNiCkLe> grazie: No, Arch.
[08:58] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: packaged or from source?
[08:59] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Packaged, but it was the latest release anyway.
[08:59] <noname_> Is e17 good? I mean like usefull or just for style?
[09:00] <PuMpErNiCkLe> It's great, but it's really different.
[09:00] <grazie> PuMpErNiCkLe: I may have a look at that. thanks
[09:01] <grazie> noname_: I think it's great, but everyone knows it needs work
[09:02] <noname_> grazie: ok. hm. I think I will stay with xfce for a while then
[09:10] <Grey_Loki> Hmm
[09:11] <Grey_Loki> Is there a WYSIWYG html editor for Xubuntu, similar to Dreamweaver?
[09:12] <grazie> Grey_Loki: nearest thing is nvu
[09:12] <Grey_Loki> http://www.nvu.com/index.php ?
[09:12] <grazie> Grey_Loki: the WYSIWYG is much better than Dreamweaver imo
[09:13] <grazie> Grey_Loki: yes, but it's in the repos
[09:13] <Grey_Loki> Super
[09:14] <Grey_Loki> Thanks ;)
[09:14] <grazie> np
[09:15] <grazie> Grey_Loki: you'll want bluefish for php, etc
[09:16] <Grey_Loki> PHwhatnow?
[09:16] <Grey_Loki> I can only do straight HTML coding
[09:17] <Grey_Loki> Never got around to learning serverside scripting languages
[09:18] <drew1313> hello all
[09:21] <drew1313> I put xubuntu an an old celeron III W/128 RAM for my brother (he has brain damage) to see if he could learn computers/internet ... It wouldn't have been possable without xubuntu!
[09:22] <foogy> hi there. i baked my own kernel, it boots fine, but i'm missing some modules from the linux-restricted-modules package (madwifi and nvidia). where should i start? old kernel is 2.6.17-10, the new is 2.6.17-14 (modules in /lib/modules/2.6.17.14-ubuntu1-uservcore).
[09:23] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You built it yourself?
[09:25] <foogy> the compiler did, if you mean that
[09:26] <drew1313> This is probably obvious, but check multivers, and resticted repositories: I use sanaptic packege manager, but I am sure there is a way to get what you need using apt-get: but it is beond my knowlage as I am also new to xubuntu/ubuntu (I use ubunto on 3 of my pcs)
[09:26] <PuMpErNiCkLe> You'll need to build the modules, too.  The nvidia module you can get from nvidia.com, and madwifi is available from madwifi.org.
[09:27] <Hawx> hey guys
[09:27] <PuMpErNiCkLe> (They're not included in the main kernel source because of licencing.)
[09:28] <foogy> this is what i want to avoid, PuMpErNiCkLe. i hoped that i could use kernel modules that match the kernel version. I tried compiling the madwifi module but it complained that it could not determine the kernel architecture.
[09:32] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Not likely to work; kernel modules should be built against the kernel they'll be working with.
[09:33] <Hawx> I'm installing Xubuntu on my G3 iMac, and it's currently repartitioning the drive (HFS took up all the space before), this won't ruin my OSX installation will it?
[09:34] <foogy> why don't you ask this question before?
[09:34] <drew1313> if you told it to resize current patition.. than no it wont:)
[09:34] <foogy> not that i know the answer, but if ruins your hfs partition, it's to late know anyway
[09:35] <Hawx> foogy: it's no big deal either way, really
[09:36] <noname_> okey guys. I have Xubuntu 6.10. How/where do I change opacity ant other cool stuff?
[09:36] <Hawx> I wasn't using it at all before anyway
[09:36] <Hawx> thanks drew :)
[09:37] <foogy> Hawx: I'm really willing to compile new modules, but compiling madwifi fails, telling me that it cannot determine my kernel architecture.
[09:38] <drew1313> first time i did that in win NTFS, I had to reinstall windows, because the installer had trouble resising... so a created a partition 1/2 the size of the drive, installed win (fat32, so i could write to it in linux) than installed ubuntu.. nice dule boot setup
[09:38] <foogy> it complains about /usr/src/linux/.config, but I copied the .config file from my original xubuntu kernel.
[09:40] <Hawx> foogy: I'm a complete newbie to Linux, this is the first time I'll have ever installed it. :)
[09:41] <drew1313> once you get used to it you will LOVE it..
[09:41] <Grey_Loki> noname_, opacity of what?
[09:42] <noname_> windows and so. in screenshots from xfce-look.org they have opacity of their windows, menus and so on
[09:42] <Hawx> I think it'll take a looong time to learn linux to a decent level :/
[09:43] <drew1313> if it wasn't for xubuntu, and it's light windowing interface, i wouldn't be able to afford a pc for my brother
[09:43] <foogy> drew: you need the very last version of xfce
[09:44] <foogy> the one delivered with xubuntu does not include that feature yet
[09:44] <foogy> you can download the graphical installer package from xfce.org. worked quite good for me
[09:45] <Hawx> Is it possible to change from xfce to another gui after installing?
[09:45] <Hawx> Just out of interest
[09:45] <Grey_Loki> Hawx, yes, it is.
[09:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> foogy: The version in Xubuntu does support compositing.
[09:46] <drew1313> Hawx: hit the forms, ubuntu.com (which has documentation for all ubuntu varents) and I baught a cople of good books) I use ubuntu, and on one pc I use KDE windowing: my brother uses xubuntu ... but I can do everything my stuff can do, but on older hardware
[09:46] <PuMpErNiCkLe> drew1313: You'd need to enable compositing in window manager tweaks.
[09:47] <foogy> PuMpErNiCkLe: there was no option to do so until i updated to the newest release.
[09:47] <drew1313> yea, on this machine i can change "sessions" on log in, and chouse ether gnome, or KDE, so yes you can change..
[09:48] <PuMpErNiCkLe> foogy: It's sometimes hidden, but it's still available.
[09:48] <foogy> ok, however, it then was visible. but i disabled those effects again. nice to look at, but absolutely useless
[09:49] <Hawx> Thanks
[09:49] <Grey_Loki> foogy, so maybe i'm being really dense about this
[09:49] <Grey_Loki> But how do I download said graphical installer?
[09:49] <Grey_Loki> I'm using the sf.net mirror, and it's just giving me a list of files contained :S
[09:49] <tecywiz121> hey, how would I make my computer start without gdm, and just go to xfce?
[09:49] <Hawx> So does the gui run on top of linux in the same way Win 3.1 ran on top of DOS, or is it more intricate than that?
[09:49] <Grey_Loki> Hawx, Linux runs as Kernel>X>Window manager
[09:50] <Grey_Loki> (I think :P)
[09:50] <Hawx> hmm
[09:50] <drew1313> I used sanaptic package manager: xubuntu, kubuntu and ubuntu all use the same base code,
[09:51] <Hawx> drew: they all just have different GUIs?
[09:51] <drew1313> sanaptic will pick the required dependancies especially if you chouse a "metapackage"
[09:51] <foogy> Grey_Loki: did you even have a look at the xfce.org download page?
[09:51] <drew1313> Yes that's all!
[09:51] <Grey_Loki> foogy, yes. I've just worked it out, though. I was under the impression that the term 'release' meant an all-encompassing file
[09:52] <Grey_Loki> Rather than an area wherein the actual contents of the release (the binaries, etc) was contained.
[09:52] <Hawx> okay
[09:52] <kalikiana> drew1313, it's synaptic ;)
[09:53] <drew1313> for KDE, look up metapackege  kdebase
[09:53] <drew1313> yea I know I can't spell for @^:+
[09:53] <kalikiana> incidently it's ubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop
[09:53] <drew1313> :-/
[09:54] <drew1313> but: Gnome, and KDE require 256 megs to run properly
[09:55] <Hawx> Are Gnome and KDE that much better than xfce?
[09:55] <kalikiana> I do prefer XFCE - although RAM doesn't matter to me as I have plenty (1GB)
[09:56] <foogy> me too
[09:57] <drew1313> no, it is IMHO a matter of prefrence there are heated debates over which is "best" what is best is what you like best!
[09:58] <kalikiana> Many people reduce xfce to a de for low ressource machines. That's why I mentioned my ram.
[09:58] <drew1313> my prob with KDE is that it loks too much like an M$ .. oh  Im sorry didn't mean to use a bad word:-/
[09:59] <foogy> omg, please stop that
[09:59] <kalikiana> kde is *meant* to resemble windows in a certain way. but that's not why you should ditch it.
[10:00] <noname> Do I need to have "Composition manager" if I want to be able to change the opacity of windows and menus?
[10:00] <grazie> noname: i can help you turn on compositor (opacity), but it's a bit fiddly and it's busy in here right now
[10:00] <drew1313> I descovered xfce when setting up a pc for my brother and tat is why (only 128 megs RAM), but after using it with him I must admit it is NICE!
[10:00] <kalikiana> noname: you can use xfwm4's composition, beryl or compiz (so yes)
[10:01] <noname> I dont have beryl or compiz. I want to use xfwm4's composition
[10:01] <noname> http://www.os-works.com/documentation/xfce-installers/4.2.0/xfce-installer/#setting-up-gdm
[10:01] <noname> I did find that site
[10:01] <noname> If you built Xfce against Xorg 6.8.0 or above and selected the feature Composition manager during the installation, you can now go on and enable transparency and window shadows in Xfce.
[10:01] <kalikiana> noname, if xgl or aiglx works for you, you can enable composition under 'window manager features' i think
[10:02] <noname> exactly what is xgl?
[10:02] <drew1313> well, I am not "ditching KDE" I boot into it for certen things, but I mostly use Gnome
[10:02] <kalikiana> noname, for specific questions I'd recommend a visit at #ubuntu-xgl
[10:03] <grazie> noname: you just have to do a few file edits (I wouldn't worry about xgl or aiglx for now)
[10:03] <kalikiana> drew1313, if you like KDE and hate its visual appearance, you can change it ;)
[10:04] <noname> okey. hm. could you help me to get composite in xfwm4 to work?
[10:04] <noname> im a noob.. just so you know:P
[10:05] <grazie> noname: what hardware you using?
[10:06] <noname> hm... 1ghz processor. 768mb ram. 48mb shared graphic
[10:06] <noname> its a laptop... siemens lifebook s6010
[10:06] <drew1313> Yea, I played around with it I got it tweeked fairly well, I was mostly speaking in general.. It did somthing wierd earler: when I exited the GIMP it took my panals with it: had to restart session
[10:06] <Hawx> Will Beryl work with xfce?
[10:07] <grazie> noname: ok. it may slow you down a bit, so don't be disappointed
[10:07] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Hawx: Yeah.
[10:07] <Grey_Loki> !gtk
[10:07] <ubotu> GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI
[10:07] <Hawx> Sweet
[10:07] <grazie> noname: also I'm doing other stuff, so it'll take 15/20 minutes
[10:07] <Hawx> I saw beryl on digg the other day, it looks cool as hell
[10:07] <noname> I did install beryl for a few weeks ago and tried it. it didn't work perfect. but it was ok
[10:08] <tecywiz121> how do you 'get rid of' gdm and have xfce start automatically
[10:08] <Grey_Loki> What's the apt-get package name thingy for GTK?
[10:08] <Commander-Crowe> !iptables
[10:08] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[10:08] <Grey_Loki> Or, how do I find it out?
[10:08] <noname> grazie: ok i have time
[10:08] <kalikiana> Beryl is way faster than xfwm's composition and it has very handy features apart from visual effects.
[10:09] <drew1313> hemmm maybee that's why gimp took me panels
[10:09] <kalikiana> But I heard X.org is being improved so that xfwm will be faster as well.
[10:09] <kalikiana> tecywiz121, just uninstall gdm :)
[10:10] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, would everything still work right?
[10:11] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, beryl is the best thing I have had the pleasure of playing with for linux :D
[10:11] <grazie> noname: add this http://pastebin.ca/339094 to the end of /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[10:11] <kalikiana> tecywiz121, I think so as it worked for many people already - but no guarantee as always ;)
[10:11] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, awesome, thanks.  if it doesn't work, would I still have a terminal?
[10:12] <kalikiana> tecywiz121, I'd say if Beryl is the best linux thingy for you, you still need to get much more into linux ;)
[10:12] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, lol, ok, it was the best to look at
[10:12] <kalikiana> tecywiz121, you'll always have several virtual terminals, like even now
[10:12] <noname> grazie: done
[10:12] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, ok, thanks
[10:13] <grazie> noname: in a terminal 'locate xfwm4.xml'
[10:13] <kalikiana> tecywiz121, ctrl+alt+f1 and ctrl+alt+f7 to switch virtual terminals :)
[10:13] <noname> grazie: /usr/share/xubuntu-default-settings/accessibility/xfce4/mcs_settings/xfwm4.xml
[10:14] <drew1313> gotta go eat: thaks ll it has, as always, been fun
[10:14] <Hawx> Any idea how long it should take to repartition 50 gig over to Xubuntu from HFS? I think it's been about an hour already
[10:14] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, yep :)  Any idea on how to make either gdm/xdm see my home dir?
[10:15] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, sorry, I forgot to mention its a FUSE filesystem, and any user other than mine can't open it.  root can't open it either :P
[10:15] <grazie> noname: ok. copy that file to ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/
[10:16] <kalikiana> tecywiz121, reconfigure fuse for the other users I'd say, no idea where you'd want to see a folder in your display manager
[10:16] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, it sets the $HOME variable, and it it doesn't set it right, nothing works
[10:18] <kalikiana> tecywiz121, so... a)change the location of home b)reconfigure fuse or c)set $HOME yourself...
[10:18] <sdac221x_> when my battery goes low i get a loud annoying beep, which is particularly ear damaging when i have earphones connected.  how can i change this annoying sound ?  thanks
[10:19] <sdac221x_> on edgy xubunu btw
[10:19] <kalikiana> but that's only spontaneous, I didn't encounter such a problem until now
[10:19] <noname> grazie: done
[10:19] <sdac221x_> kalikiana:  you didnt encounter sound when battery is low ?
[10:19] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, how could I reconfigure fuse?  All the users are members of the fuse group, and that's all I can think of
[10:20] <grazie> noname: save anything important and restart X (ctrl+alt+backspace)
[10:20] <kalikiana> sdac221x_, sry, didn't mean to address you
[10:20] <sdac221x_> oh its ok.
[10:21] <kalikiana> tecywiz121, I am starting fuse on startup as myself == the logged in user; I'm no expert, though
[10:21] <sdac221x_> can i install the kde preferences manager (i can't remember its actual name) on xubuntu ? is it safe ?
[10:22] <kalikiana> sdac221x_, some people report weird behaviour in certain circumstances; theoretically yes
[10:22] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, I think a better idea would have been to mount /home/tecywiz121 on fuse instead of the entire home dir
[10:22] <noname> grazie: restartet it
[10:22] <noname> restarted*
[10:23] <kalikiana> tecywiz121, Actually that's what I'm doing (although it's in /mnt)
[10:23] <sdac221x_> ok another question:   sometimes the panel which contains systray  and is set on "autohide" refuses to autohide ... is this an xfce issue or could it be some of my settings
[10:23] <grazie> noname: good. Launch Appplication > Settings > W M Tweaks
[10:24] <noname> grazie: yep
[10:24] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, so how would I set up fuse so that any user can access a mounted folder, because right now it ignores permissions, and only lets the user that mounted it access it
[10:24] <kalikiana> tecywiz121, as I said I'm mounting it as the current user, so no idea really
[10:25] <grazie> noname: just disable and then re-enable something and close
[10:25] <kalikiana> tecywiz121, you might try to modify the access rights for that folder(?)
[10:25] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, with chmod?
[10:25] <noname> grazie: hm okey..
[10:26] <kalikiana> tecywiz121, that or Thunar ;)
[10:26] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, ok lol
[10:26] <grazie> noname: should now have ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/wmtweaks.xml.
[10:26] <tecywiz121> kalikiana, lol, the owner is some randomly long number :P
[10:27] <noname> grazie: yes I do
[10:27] <grazie> noname: edit to this... UseCompositing" type="int" value="1"
[10:28] <noname> grazie: done
[10:29] <grazie> noname: delete ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop/
[10:30] <ChickenGirl> since I installed Edgy, I don't get an icon in my system tray when there are updates available anymore
[10:30] <ChickenGirl> anyone know how to get that back?
[10:31] <noname> grazie: ok
[10:31] <noname> grazie: its deleted
[10:32] <grazie> noname: reboot and it should be ready to play with using  Applications > Settings > W M Tweaks
[10:33] <noname> grazie: reboot the computer or just X?
[10:33] <Commander-Crowe> ah
[10:33] <Commander-Crowe> I finally got iptables configured
[10:33] <grazie> noname: reboot to clear cache
[10:34] <noname> grazie: ok. thanks! I will be back again when I have more problems :p thank you :)
[10:34] <ChickenGirl> hmm, is "apt-watch" what I'm looking for?
[10:35] <grazie> ChickenGirl: you using ubuntu or kubuntu?
[10:35] <ChickenGirl> xubuntu
[10:35] <grazie> don't think apt-watch is installed by default on xubuntu
[10:36] <ChickenGirl> ah, "update-notifier"? "Daemon which notifies about package updates
[10:36] <ChickenGirl> Puts an icon in the user's notification area when package updates are
[10:36] <ChickenGirl> available."
[10:36] <kalikiana> apt-watch requires gnome, that's why it's not in xubuntu
[10:36] <kalikiana> but someone said he's changing the dependencies
[10:36] <kalikiana> so it'll be in feisty I hope
[10:37] <grazie> kalikiana: i hope not :)
[10:37] <ChickenGirl> did I have it before because I had gnome before?
[10:37] <ChickenGirl> I'm straight-up xubuntu now
[10:38] <kalikiana> grazie: why not??
[10:38] <grazie> ChickenGirl: if it was a clean install you must have added it somehow
[10:38] <ChickenGirl> I had ubuntu before and then added xubuntu
[10:38] <grazie> kalikiana: more background ticks, etc
[10:39] <ChickenGirl> for edgy I replaced it with a clean xubuntu install
[10:39] <ChickenGirl> ubuntu is supposed to have the notification icon, right? I wasn't imagining that?
[10:40] <ChickenGirl> and then when I installed xubuntu it carried over or something
[10:40] <Commander-Crowe> Nice, we finally have a girl in hee
[10:40] <Commander-Crowe> here
[10:40] <kalikiana> grazie: I guess it should be quite handy, no idea how good it performs
[10:40] <ChickenGirl> yay, I'm a token O.o
[10:40] <foogy> yez, yez, yez!!
[10:41] <ChickenGirl> greetings foogy
[10:41] <kalikiana> ChickenGirl, Maybe you still have some gnome libraries?
[10:41] <foogy> hi
[10:41] <grazie> ChickenGirl: not the best person to ask. fairly new to all *ubuntus
[10:41] <Commander-Crowe> ChickenGirl I'm sure there's something other then sudp apt-get update
[10:42] <ChickenGirl> I had been getting my updates by manually starting update manager, but I'm not good about remembering to do that very often
[10:42] <ChickenGirl> greetings azathoth
[10:42] <Commander-Crowe> ChickenGirl but didn't you say you did a clean installation of Xubuntu? Then there should be no gnome
[10:42] <azathoth> ahoy hoy
[10:42] <ChickenGirl> right, I had gnome before, now I don't
[10:43] <azathoth> how can i enable dragging on my xfce desktop?
[10:43] <kalikiana> ChickenGirl, do `apt-cache search gnome` and check if there is still some gnome ;)
[10:43] <foogy> now my kernel features setting cpu core voltage  :-)
[10:43] <azathoth> it's really annoying not being able to drag to select my icons as in every other wm
[10:44] <ChickenGirl> kalikiana: when edgy came out I reformatted
[10:44] <foogy> ackn, azathoth. that would be nice
[10:44] <kalikiana> ChickenGirl, ah, ok :)
[10:44] <ChickenGirl> I'm not trying to get rid of the update notification, I didn't have it anymore and was trying to get it back :p
[10:44] <Commander-Crowe> azathoth thats a Xfce thing, and i don't think they allow it yet
[10:44] <azathoth> it seems counter-intuitive and just plain barmy
[10:45] <azathoth> having to ctrl+click everything i want grouped...
[10:45] <kalikiana> azathoth, xfce's desktop will be recoded in the future, for now you'll have to wait
[10:45] <Commander-Crowe> azathoth its resources dependant to have drag and drop, believe it or not
[10:45] <azathoth> xfce seems to be really lagging behind in the drag+drop stakes... thunar for example can't stand people dragging things around
[10:46] <azathoth> really? but thats crazy
[10:46] <ChickenGirl> I've never had a problem with dragging things in thunar
[10:46] <azathoth> surely it can be optional
[10:46] <foogy> azathoth: use thunar instead
[10:47] <Hawx> What filesystem should I used for this new Xubuntu partition? It looks like it's defaulting to ext3
[10:48] <Commander-Crowe> use ext3 unless you have a HDD thats 4+ years old
[10:48] <azathoth> it'd be nicer if you could properly specify where things will go on the xfce-panel
[10:48] <foogy> anyone using gaim? how can i disable these "Global" and "SpamScanner" windows when connecting to IRC?
[10:48] <kalikiana> Hawx, ext3 is good :)
[10:48] <Commander-Crowe> then I'd use reiserFS or EXT2
[10:48] <azathoth> instead of having to add and mess with those seperators and stuff
[10:48] <Hawx> Crowe: It's 120gb 7200rpm
[10:48] <azathoth> absolute positioning on the panel would be heaven sent methinks...
[10:49] <ChickenGirl> ah, there's my icon :)
[10:49] <Commander-Crowe> Hawx you'll be fine
[10:49] <Hawx> Thanks :)
[10:55] <Hawx> oh no, this isn't good
[10:55] <cyberyak> foogy, I don't know, I prefer xchat for IRC
[10:55] <Hawx> I've gone to System and Install, and it's come up witha a 'Missing command to run.' error
[10:57] <Hawx> Scratch that, I overlooked the shortcut on the desktop. :P
[11:05] <foogy> btw: is there any kind of transparent file compression in linux comparable to ntfs?
[11:10] <Hawx> "No NewWorld boot partition was found, the yaboot boot loader requires an Apple_Bootstrap partition"...
[11:11] <Commander-Crowe> Hawx your on a PPC?
[11:11] <Hawx> Yeah
[11:11] <Hawx> G3 iMac
[11:12] <Hawx> Should I have used HFS instead?
[11:13] <Commander-Crowe> Not sure
[11:13] <Hawx> :/
[11:13] <Commander-Crowe> but you must've used a PC boot loader
[11:13] <Hawx> Well I burned the ISO onto CD using Nero in Windows
[11:13] <Hawx> But it booted in the Mac so I presumed that was alright
[11:17] <Hawx> ...
[11:19] <grazie> Hawx: i use ppc, what's the problem
[11:19] <Hawx> grazie: It won't let me install Xubuntu on this new ext3 partition I've made
[11:20] <grazie> Hawx: what will not let you?
[11:20] <Hawx> The Xubuntu installer
[11:21] <grazie> Hawx: using live cd? if so how much memory on the machine?
[11:21] <Hawx> Message: "Filesystems used by the system (/, /boot, /usr, /var) must be reformattedfor use by this installer"
[11:21] <Hawx> "No NewWorld boot partition was found, the yaboot boot loader requires an Apple_Bootstrap partition"...
[11:22] <Hawx> It's 256mb
[11:23] <grazie> Hawx: you should be fine. What where you doing prior to getting those messages
[11:23] <Hawx> Repartitioning the drive, before I just had one big HFS partition for OSX
[11:23] <Hawx> I've now made a 39gb ext3 partition
[11:23] <Hawx> "/dev/hda2"
[11:24] <grazie> so you compressed the original hfs partition and and made a new ext3
[11:25] <grazie> Hawx: ?
[11:25] <Hawx> Yeah
[11:26] <Hawx> The original HFS is now 60gb
[11:26] <Hawx> (/dev/hda3 if that means anything)
[11:26] <grazie> you need a swap partition. did you create one?
[11:26] <Hawx> No, what's a swap partition?
[11:27] <grazie> I'd recommend letting the install create the partitions for you.
[11:28] <grazie> delete the new ext3 partition and leave as free space
[11:28] <Hawx> On the 'prepare disk space' step it only offers me 'Erase entire disk', 'use the largest continous free space' or 'Manually edit partition table'
[11:28] <Hawx> I was doing the last one as I'd rather not risk losing the OSX if I can avoid it
[11:29] <grazie> the installer will then make a swap and a root partition for xubuntu for you
[11:29] <grazie> grazie: i.e. 'use the largest continous free space'
[11:30] <grazie> Hawx: most savy linux users create a separate /home partition too, but I may be confusing you
[11:31] <Hawx> okay, so do I need to delete that ext3 partition before doing that?
[11:31] <_max_> i have a pair of headphones plugged into the speaker/headphone-out on my motherboard, alsamixer is set to max, vlc is set to max, but still audio is barely hearable =/ any ideas?
[11:31] <grazie> Hawx: I would
[11:31] <Hawx> okay
[11:32] <Hawx> Are there any real benefits in putting /home in a separate partition? This is my first time using Linux so I'd like to cut down on the unnecessaries
[11:32] <_max_> Hawx: its an easy way of limiting your users to a certain ammount of the systems storage.
[11:33] <_max_> if its a singleuser system theres slim to none reason for doing htat.
[11:33] <Hawx> It's just going to be used by me
[11:33] <flashxfusion> hey can any of you guys help me with a small problem
[11:34] <flashxfusion> i installed the latest xubuntu (6.10) using the alternate cd and i cant login
[11:34] <flashxfusion> i picked my username and password during the install
[11:34] <flashxfusion> and wen i try to login it gets to the desktop
[11:34] <flashxfusion> then it goes back to the login screen
[11:35] <Hawx> Thanks grazie, looks like it's going to install now :)
[11:35] <grazie> if you think you may want to re-install new distros a lot it's a very good idea to have a separate /home. it keep the data separate. The installer might give you the option - I can't remember
[11:35] <grazie> Hawx: worry about users and resources later
[11:36] <Hawx> Unless there's any particular reason to upgrade from 6.10 then I'll stick with this for some time, I think
[11:36] <grazie> Hawx: if you're using 39M for xubuntu 5M for / should be plenty
[11:37] <Hawx> I need to learn how to use Linux a lot better before I do anything too complicated
[11:37] <cyberyak> I am starting to think that acpi should not be connected to xubuntu-dexktop as a dep.
[11:38] <cyberyak> *xubuntu-desktop
[11:38] <grazie> Hawx: I meant 39G and 5G of course
[11:38] <Hawx> Sure :)
[11:39] <Hawx> It's not given me any options yet, we'll see what happens
[11:39] <Hawx> What PPC system are you using grazie?
[11:40] <grazie> Hawx: I've got a G4 1.25Hz and a G3 B&W 350Mz (someone else has right now)
[11:44] <Hawx> Nie
[11:44] <Hawx> Nice
[11:45] <cyberyak> wow, I'm confused.  I just removed acpid acpi-support xubuntu-desktop power-management
[11:45] <cyberyak> first booted with acpi=off
[11:45] <cyberyak> then removed.
[11:48] <cyberyak> upon reboot without acpi=off on the command line, I do not have apmd running (which it was before), nor do I have acpid running (which I expected as I removed it).
[11:48] <cyberyak> but the fan is under the control of something.
[11:48] <cyberyak> so the kernel acpi routines are handling this.
[11:49] <cyberyak> actually that last line was a question.
[11:49] <Hawx> You lost me after 'wow'.
[11:49] <cyberyak> heheheh.
[11:49] <Hawx> :)
[11:50] <cyberyak> glad I'm not the only one lost.
[11:50] <cyberyak> I want/NEED apm instead of acpi
[11:50] <cyberyak> I'll screw with this some more
[11:56] <Hawx> Will it be possible for Xubuntu to read my HFS partition? All my MP3s are stored on there
[11:56] <cyberyak> ok, how hosed will I be for removing xubuntu-desktop for updating purposes?
[11:59] <grazie> Hawx: yes fine, you can even write if journaling is turned off, but wouldn't advise it
[12:00] <Hawx> nice :)
[12:02] <inimesekene> hello, does edgy xubuntu have the composite extension on by default?
[12:03] <Hawx> Well it's finished installing so I ejected the disc and pressed Restart Now, and nothing's happened :P
[12:03] <grazie> inimesekene: supports it, but it's not turn on probably by default
[12:03] <inimesekene> ok, but how do you change resolution in it?
[12:04] <grazie> Hawx: you may need to use the power switch
[12:04] <Hawx> Yeah it's stopped working entirely now :P
[12:05] <grazie> inimesekene: Applications > Settings > Display Settings
[12:05] <grazie> Hawx: nothing works?
[12:06] <Hawx> I've turned it off and on again, here we go
[12:06] <Hawx> The mouse pointer was moving but nothing else :P
[12:06] <inimesekene> grazie, but how about refresh rate
[12:07] <grazie> inimesekene: any reason you need to change it?
[12:07] <inimesekene> yeah, it's a crt and too low refresh rate hurts eyes
[12:08] <inimesekene> can't go up from 74 hz but using 85 hz on gnome
[12:09] <grazie> inimesekene: there's any tool you can run...the name escapes me....anyone else remind me?
[12:09] <Hawx> Thanks for the help, it's up and running :)
[12:09] <grazie> Hawx: great. have fun