[12:28] <mhb> _StefanS_: you here?
[12:28] <_StefanS_> yups
[12:28] <_StefanS_> compiling kdebase as usual :)
[12:33] <_StefanS_> are you ? :)
[12:34] <mhb> _StefanS_: yep
[12:34] <mhb> tired, but I'm here
[12:35] <mhb> _StefanS_: I talked to kwwii about your proposal
[12:35] <_StefanS_> yea?
[12:35] <_StefanS_> did he hate it ? :D
[12:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: it depends
[12:36] <mhb> _StefanS_: the idea of changing the shutdown dialog is nice, of course :o)
[12:36] <_StefanS_> I know the picture was rough
[12:36] <_StefanS_> but it was just to have something to show
[12:37] <mhb> _StefanS_: what would be nice is to use similar icons to the GNOME ones
[12:37] <_StefanS_> mhb: yea, i know. I've looked all around but could find a nice set
[12:38] <_StefanS_> mhb: but didn't find anything.
[12:38] <mhb> _StefanS_: try to use the ones in Human/HNOME
[12:38] <mhb> GNOME
[12:38] <mhb> _StefanS_: for starters
[12:38] <_StefanS_> mhb: yep I grab those and use
[12:38] <mhb> _StefanS_: we also discussed the placement
[12:39] <mhb> _StefanS_: the icons should be in two lines
[12:39] <mhb> _StefanS_: the first line is Log Out / Sleep / Hibernate
[12:40] <_StefanS_> okay, and the rest below
[12:41] <_StefanS_> plus a cancel button to the lower right I imagine
[12:41] <mhb> _StefanS_: yep
[12:41] <_StefanS_> goody I'll go do that
[12:42] <mhb> _StefanS_: we can presume Ubuntu has done some usability tests, so we can make a similar one
[12:42] <_StefanS_> mhb: good point.
[12:42] <mhb> _StefanS_: the only difference is that we don't use the on mouseover text descriptions like they do
[12:42] <_StefanS_> mhb: okay, I was going to ask that question
[12:43] <_StefanS_> btw, do you want a window with a titlebar, or just a frame (like default logout)
[12:43] <mhb> a frame, I guess
[12:44] <_StefanS_> I see ubuntu uses that aswell
[12:44] <mhb> Ubuntu uses a frame, KDE default uses a frame too, so that one is clear
[12:46] <mhb> _StefanS_: I guess you could try to make the UI similar to the GNOME one as well
[12:46] <mhb> _StefanS_: I mean - no hard lines
[12:47] <mhb> _StefanS_: http://shots.linuxquestions.org/scaled/Ubuntu%207.04%20Alpha%203/30.gif
[12:47] <_StefanS_> sure
[12:47] <_StefanS_> you still want a similar hover effect, right ?
[12:47] <mhb> _StefanS_: maybe there will be changes in that (I'm not the one in charge here, I just like your idea)
[12:48] <_StefanS_> okay, we'll just change it along the way if needed
[12:48] <mhb> _StefanS_: some button effect would be vital, I guess
[12:49] <_StefanS_> there's currently just a negative effect on it
[12:49] <_StefanS_> I will make it more soft
[12:50] <mhb> _StefanS_: thanks
[12:51] <_StefanS_> no problem, its interesting stuff. Always liked usuability stuff, and prettying up things :)
[12:51] <_StefanS_> after all if you got a capable piece of software its kinda worthless without good ui design.. a clich i know, but true.
[12:53] <mhb> yes, true
[12:53] <mhb> that's bad for the environment :o)
[12:53] <_StefanS_> heh ;)
[12:54] <mhb> please poke me when you have some new screenshots
[12:54] <_StefanS_> they'll just throw in the "auxilary" power switch down at the plant
[12:54] <_StefanS_> sure thing
[01:19] <manchicken> ?
[01:20] <Hobbsee> kopete chat window used to be nice and compact
[01:20] <mhb> Hobbsee!!
[01:20] <mhb> :o)
[01:20] <manchicken> You can change the themes and all that
[01:21] <Hobbsee> it's not a theme change - it's the main window
[01:21] <Hobbsee> http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/
[01:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: sounds like a certain guy named Anthony
[01:22] <Hobbsee> mhb: sorry?
[01:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: does Tonio sound more familiar?
[01:22] <Hobbsee> mhb: yeah, but what's he done?
[01:22] <mhb> Hobbsee: umm... the patches to kopete?
[01:23] <mhb> that make the main window themable?
[01:23] <Hobbsee> argh
[01:23] <mhb> I told him I like things compact
[01:23] <mhb> hope it can be turned off
[01:26] <Hobbsee> mhb: yes.  mind you, feisty is testing.
[01:28] <Hobbsee> mhb: i wonder how one themes it...
[01:28] <mhb> Hobbsee: and testing is using :o)
[01:28] <Hobbsee> hehe
[01:28] <Hobbsee> yes
[01:28] <Hobbsee> it's just annoying that i cant see all the people in the list at a glance.
[01:29] <mhb> now it's like 10 screens of scrolling for me :o)
[01:30] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:30] <Hobbsee> well, neither could i - but it didnt involve anywhere near as much scrolling
[01:30] <praetor> there is a contact limit? :P
[01:30] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:31] <Hobbsee> 120, iirc
[01:31] <mhb> too many friends for Hobbsee
[01:32] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:35] <ajmitch> Hobbsee needs to start rejecting & ostracising some friends
[01:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: heh
[01:35] <Hobbsee> ajmitch: did you want to be first?  :P
[01:35] <ajmitch> sure, why not?
[01:35] <Hobbsee> :P
[01:35] <ajmitch> you never talk to me anyway ;)
[01:36] <mhb> Hobbsee: I think it's a kde-look.org modification - you can try searching there
[01:36] <crimsun> keep your friends close and your enemies closer, eh?
[01:36] <Hobbsee> yeah, i talk to you here instead...
[01:36] <Hobbsee> crimsun: no, i attack my enemies with my Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 
[01:36] <ajmitch> lucky me
[01:37] <mhb> I mean the new one
[01:39] <Hobbsee> yes...
[01:48] <Hobbsee> hrm.  cant figure how to change it
[01:50] <mhb> Hobbsee:
[01:50] <mhb> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=49765
[01:51] <mhb> it seems there are more skins on the net for that
[01:52] <Hobbsee> ahhh...so that's it
[01:53] <Hobbsee> mhb: the chat window is nice
[01:58] <mhb> have you seen the Ubuntu and Kubuntu sharing apps?
[01:58] <mhb> well, the configuration tools
[01:58] <mhb> the Kubuntu one is over-bloated and unusable, and I mean it
[02:08] <Riddell> we looked at that at UDS and decided it was so bad it wasn't possible to fix in KDE 3
[02:10] <mhb> Riddell: by the way, now that even Ubuntu has a systemsettings-like center, wouldn't be more useful to have only one usability study and make both centers according to it?
[02:12] <mhb> but that's more of a feisty+1 idea
[02:12] <mhb> goodnight
[02:12] <_StefanS_> nighty
[02:13] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the fade thing works now. Also with on/off and timing from ksmserverrc.
[02:13] <Riddell> _StefanS_: excellent
[02:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: now I just need some instructions doing the diff correctly.
[02:14] <Riddell> mhb: no, KDE isn't going to use the same settings UI as gnome
[02:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I applied all patches(make -f ... ), and then made my changes to shutdowndlg.h and shutdowndlg.cpp.
[02:15] <Riddell> _StefanS_: download the current sources again, apply current patches again, diff -urN the two source trees
[02:15] <_StefanS_> alright
[02:17] <_StefanS_> btw, the fade is much more usable when you can control timings from the config as well. I'm glad I put them in there.
[02:21] <_StefanS_> I've a got a diff now, want it in an email ?
[02:22] <Riddell> yes please
[02:23] <_StefanS_> there you go
[02:26] <_StefanS_> brb
[02:31] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell
[02:33] <XVampireX> mhb:"  I've then decided to implement an xml theming language that would give to the user complete freedom to build the theme he/she wants."
[02:33] <XVampireX> That's... *drools*
[02:33] <XVampireX> Hmm, will we finally see a real kopete customized for kubuntu? :)
[02:34] <Hobbsee> no
[02:34] <XVampireX> :(
[02:34] <Hobbsee> that'll likely be the new kopete interface....
[02:34] <jjesse> hiya Hobbsee
[02:34] <Hobbsee> for everyone
[02:34] <Hobbsee> hey jjesse!!!!
[02:34] <Hobbsee> the famous author :)
[02:34] <jjesse> anyone having problems booting vmware off fiesty herd 3?
[02:35] <jjesse> Hobbsee: we are under a blizzard warning here and the police are telling people to not drive cause of the snow and drifting
[02:35] <Hobbsee> jjesse: eep!
[02:36] <jjesse> Hobbsee: do you guys get a lot of snow in winter?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> jjesse: nope :)
[02:36] <Hobbsee> none
[02:40] <Riddell> _StefanS_: applies fine, I'll take a look at it tomorrow morning and if it works upload it
[02:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the effect seems rather slow.. and I think I know why.
[02:41] <Riddell> why?
[02:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: inside the slotPaintEffect i read the settings every time its called
[02:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: probably not a good idea :)
[02:42] <Riddell> ah
[02:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: should be placed outside
[02:42] <Riddell> yep
[02:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will correct it, and send you another one very soon.
[02:49] <Riddell> :)
[03:18] <manchicken> Riddell: You still about?
[03:54] <Riddell> manchicken: a bit
[03:55] <manchicken> Were you going to fix that bug with the arrow icon?
[03:55] <Riddell> manchicken: I'd rather you did it first :)
[03:56] <Riddell> I'll wait for you on it
[03:56] <Riddell> and the columns move to the left when expanded
[03:59] <jjesse> should bug #73151 be assigned against ubuntu-iso-tests?
[03:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73151 in openscenegraph "[libopenscenegraph4]  Dependancies Need To Be Updated" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73151
[03:59] <jjesse> doh wrong #
[03:59] <jjesse> bug 83151
[03:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83151 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Herd 3 fails to start X on Inspiron 5100" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83151
[04:00] <manchicken> Riddell: I was actually hoping you wouldn't ^_^
[04:00] <manchicken> Riddell: I'll post a bug for it and make sure to snag it after feature freeze.
[04:00] <Riddell> jjesse: no, it should be against X
[04:01] <jjesse> ok
[04:01] <jjesse> x-server ?
[04:02] <manchicken> Riddell: If you wanted to, could you assign some other bugs that you think I could fix in adept I can take a look at them.
[04:25] <manchicken> Well, it's not crashing anymore.
[04:25] <manchicken> But it ain't working either.
[04:43] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: can i beat that guy in #kubuntu?
[04:43] <ryanakca> umm... /me looks
[04:43] <ryanakca> have fun
[04:43] <Hobbsee> hehe
[04:44] <ryanakca> go head... 28 him :)
[04:51] <manchicken> LMAO
[04:52] <Hobbsee> ouch!
[04:52] <manchicken> All I was doing was clearing and setting breakpoints.
[04:52] <manchicken> heh
[04:52] <manchicken> Who'd you kill in #kubuntu?
[05:08] <manchicken> Okay, so I've got the request going through, but it's not giving me the changelog content.  Interesting.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i didnt.  i was wanting to though
[05:12] <manchicken> Who?  Minataku?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:12] <manchicken> I'm his biggest fan, too ;)
[05:13] <Hobbsee> oh?
[05:21] <manchicken> Yeah.  Guy likes to go around pretending like he is the world's most knowledgeable user.  Many put-downs.
[05:25] <ryanakca> lol
[05:25] <ryanakca> k/b is Hobbsee's friend :)
[05:25] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:27] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: please install vim on your machine.
[05:31] <manchicken> Hobbsee: You know, GNU emacs is always the same no matter where you use it ;)
[05:31] <manchicken> heh
[05:32] <manchicken> I actually put up a blog entry asking for some answers from more advanced vi users about some questions I keep getting.
[05:32] <Hobbsee> manchicken: heh
[05:32] <manchicken> http://www.notsosoft.net
[05:33] <manchicken> If you know vi pretty well, see if you can answer any of my questions.
[05:33] <manchicken> I can hold my own in vi, but I don't know much of the advanced features.
[05:35] <Hobbsee> manchicken: imbrandon is insane.
[05:35] <manchicken> Is he?
[05:35] <Hobbsee> he's a nano user.
[05:36] <Hobbsee> yep
[05:36] <manchicken> If you can use nano, you can use emacs ^_^
[05:38] <Hobbsee> has anyone checked out karchiver?
[05:38] <Hobbsee> it looks neat
[05:40] <manchicken> Wow, gdb was SUCKING my machine dry.
[05:40] <manchicken> 273MB of used ram.
[05:40] <manchicken> No, is karchiver any good?
[05:41] <manchicken> Does it do 7zip?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> dunno
[05:41] <Hobbsee> http://perso.orange.fr/coquelle/karchiver/
[05:44] <manchicken> Worst... logo.... ever
[05:45] <manchicken> The installing patches thing looks neat.
[05:45] <Hobbsee> hehe, yep
[05:45] <manchicken> Works with Gnu
[05:46] <manchicken> GnuPG*
[05:56] <manchicken> Hmm... adept doesn't have a config file it seems...
[05:56] <manchicken> These changes I'm making to adept are going to be very non-upstream friendly.
[05:58] <manchicken> Oh well, named constants will make it less painful to improve better.
[06:03] <manchicken> BOOYA!  Houston, we've got a changelog.
[06:04] <Hobbsee> :D
[06:12] <manchicken> I'm committing it.
[06:13] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:13] <manchicken> Merging in bzr is painful.
[06:13] <manchicken> They really need to fix that.
[06:26] <manchicken> Nice!  It's -17'C actual, -28'C "real-feel" outside.
[06:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:31] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Where is the base adept repository for feisty?
[06:31] <manchicken> I need to see which features have been merged in.
[06:31] <Hobbsee> manchicken: *shrug*
[06:32] <Hobbsee> apt-get source adept would tell you
[06:35] <manchicken> Why the heck isn't bzip2 not in standard build for feisty?  That one seems kinda important to me.
[06:35] <manchicken> Oh well.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> i thought it would be?
[06:35] <manchicken> I would, too.
[06:36] <manchicken> I just had to install it on my feisty chroot that I've been using for a while.
[06:36] <manchicken> Maybe they just had it embedded into tar only....
[06:36] <manchicken> heh
[06:36] <manchicken> I've done that before.
[06:36] <manchicken> What you doing?
[06:36] <Hobbsee> adding changes to imbrandon's amarok
[06:36] <crimsun> manchicken: "standard build" != chroot.
[06:37] <crimsun> manchicken: bzip2 is a dependency of ubuntu-minimal
[06:37] <crimsun> (which is seeded by default)
[06:37] <manchicken> Interesting.
[06:38] <manchicken> Ooh, I'm glad I didn't check that in without testing it first....
[06:38] <manchicken> heh
[06:38] <manchicken> I got changelog into adept_manager, but not adept_updater
[06:38] <manchicken> heh
[06:38] <manchicken> It's there, but it goes BOOM
[06:40] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:45] <manchicken> I found a bomb in the update wizard.
[06:46] <manchicken> w00t!  Not my fault.  Gotta love it.
[06:47] <manchicken> I wonder if anybody else found this one.
[06:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:48] <manchicken> I'm going to submit my patch now anyway.
[08:14] <imbrandon> hobbsee
[08:14] <imbrandon> Setting up vim-full (7.0-035+1ubuntu5) ...
[08:14] <imbrandon> imbrandon@aurora:~$
[10:48] <mhb> morning
[11:41] <Hobbsee> hey mhb!
[11:42] <imbrandon> 01:14 < imbrandon> hobbsee                                                                                                                         serzholi~
[11:42] <imbrandon> 01:14 < imbrandon> Setting up vim-full (7.0-035+1ubuntu5) ...                                                                                      Seveas
[11:42] <imbrandon> 01:14 < imbrandon> imbrandon@aurora:~$
[11:43] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, ^^
[11:43] <Seveas> imbrandon, ?
[11:43] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: woo!!!
[11:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: when you go to deal in amaork again, can you make sure you take from /home/hobbsee/amarok, to grab my changes please?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: and where are those konvi debs?
[11:44] <imbrandon> sorry Seveas , bad paste
[11:44] <Seveas> bad imbrandon
[11:44] <imbrandon> Hobbsee, yea i seen your changes
[11:44] <Seveas> :)
[11:44] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: cool :)
[11:44] <imbrandon> and konvi is comming
[11:44] <Hobbsee> when?
[11:44] <Hobbsee> :)
[11:44] <Seveas> when it's done
[11:45] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: if you dont have hte time, i'll do the repo, etc.
[11:45] <imbrandon> heh when i setup the scripts on aurora to autobuild it again
[11:45] <Hobbsee> (if you hand over hte scripts)
[11:45] <Hobbsee> hehe, go on :)
[11:46] <Hobbsee> imbrandon: way cool.  my version even built!
[11:46] <Hobbsee> (took some more out of debian.install)
[11:46] <imbrandon> huh ? what did you take out?
[11:47] <imbrandon> ugh, i added a bunch but they still neded deps added to work
[11:47] <Hobbsee> ahh.  just can my changes to there, then
[11:47] <Hobbsee> ie, just can amarok.install, and keep your version
[11:47] <Hobbsee> sorry :(
[11:48] <imbrandon> np, what did you remove though?
[11:48] <Hobbsee> diff against your versoin and find out?  a few almost at the bottom
[11:48] <imbrandon> e.g. we dont want regression of features , like no ipod support hehe, thus why its takin a little while to upload
[11:48] <imbrandon> kk
[11:48] <Hobbsee> yeah
[11:53] <imbrandon> me hugs Hobbsee
[11:53] <imbrandon> +/
[11:53] <Hobbsee> :)
[12:09] <fdoving> alt+f2 rocks. it can do math!
[12:09] <Hobbsee> HAHA, NEAT!
[12:09] <Hobbsee> argh, capslock
[12:09] <fdoving> alt+f2 2+2 <enter> cool.
[12:20] <Sime> does anyone use Thunderbird here and noticed that the scrollbar fix for the plastik theme, doesn't actually work?
[12:21] <Sime> I think I know what the fix is.
[02:41] <zakame> evening all
[02:42] <Hobbsee> hey zakame
[02:42] <Hobbsee> zakame: didnt expect to be quoted, you know :)
[02:42] <Jucato> quoted where?
[02:42] <zakame> Hobbsee: lol
[03:17] <ryanakca> wasn't the meeting last week?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: yeah it was
[03:18] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: feel like writing the minutes?  :P
[03:25] <gnomefreak> homeeting wednesday the 7th?
[03:26] <gnomefreak> s/homeeting/meeting
[03:48] <ryanakca> since the meeting was last week, shall I change the /topic?
[03:48] <Riddell> please
[03:49] <ryanakca> anything to add while I'm at it?
[03:49] <Riddell> FF on thursday
[03:50] <ryanakca> FF ?
[03:50] <ryanakca> ah
[03:50] <Jucato> feature freeze
[03:50] <ryanakca> yeah
[03:50] <ryanakca> took me a minute to figure it out. anything else?
[03:50] <mhb> Feisty Fawn Feature Freeze ... FFFF, actually :o)
[03:50] <ryanakca> mhb: lol
[03:52] <ryanakca> hmm... guess not :)
[03:52] <Jucato> Riddell: um. excuse me. there seems to be a bug (not sure if it's a bug really) regarding some list views in KDE 3.5.6 that's affecting Adept. basically, it's not possible to sort the list anymore
[03:52] <Jucato> the only other place I see this happening is Keyboard Shortcuts -> General Shortcuts and Shortcut Sequence tabs
[03:53] <Riddell> probably manchicken's fault :)
[03:54] <Jucato> heh unfortunately it isn't
[03:54] <Riddell> how do you know?
[03:54] <Jucato> I've seen the behavior in the keyboard shortcuts module when I was running KDE SVN
[03:54] <Jucato> (before I reinstalled Kubuntu)
[03:56] <Jucato> strangely enough, I can't think of any other app/module that uses a list view that exhibits this bevahior, so I only have 2 examples...
[03:56] <abattoir> Riddell: hi, i have a patch for os-prober(which is a part of d-i and helps detect installed OSs) which is necessary for grubconfig to work... what's the correct process to get it into ubuntu?
[03:57] <abattoir> Riddell: i've already sent the patch to the debian bts
[03:57] <Riddell> abattoir: report a bug to launchpad.net/ubuntu and poke cjwatson on irc
[03:58] <abattoir> Riddell: great, thanks
[03:58] <Riddell> abattoir: but grubconfig is the guidance tool?
[03:58] <abattoir> Riddell: yes
[03:58] <abattoir> Riddell: the one mhb is working on
[03:59] <Riddell> why does it depend on something done at install time?
[04:00] <mhb> Riddell: the OSes may change after that
[04:00] <Riddell> so grubconfig also uses os-prober?
[04:00] <Lure> Riddell: any idea why KGlobalAccel would not work in ksmserver?
[04:01] <abattoir> it needs to know what are the OSs installed and if there has been any change... d-i uses it during install time to create the menu.lst
[04:01] <Riddell> Lure: nope
[04:02] <Lure> Riddell: I changed the hal code to be able to add shortcuts, but now they do not work
[04:02] <abattoir> Riddell: yes, it does
[04:02] <Lure> Riddell: I suspect it may be related to how KDE is started
[04:02] <Lure> Riddell: so I might need to switch to kmilo + dcop to power-manager (or ksmserver) :-(
[04:03] <Riddell> mm, and pykde doesn't work with KGlobalAccel does it?
[04:04] <Lure> Riddell: no :-(
[04:05] <Lure> Riddell: and dcop does not work with KUniqueApplication in PyKDE - otherwise we could add simple config file to k-d-s :-(
[04:05] <Riddell> never easy
[04:21] <sebas> We might remove dcop from power-manager until it's fixed upstream.
[04:21] <sebas> Sime would opt for that, and I'd rather not add a hack that checks if power-manager is already running.
[04:29] <Lure> sebas: but dcop works with KApplication, right?
[04:29] <Lure> sebas: currently, the only way for laptop keys I see is: kmilo sets KGlobalAccel, does dcopfind power-manager*, calls power-manager action
[04:31] <manchicken> toma: Nice catch on that patch.
[04:32] <toma> manchicken: hehe, wasn't rocket science
[04:32] <toma> my eye fell on it
[04:32] <manchicken> I tried to remove all my unnecessary debug code from there before I committed and posted it.  Oh well ^_^
[04:32] <Jucato> "bomb" manchicken... :)
[04:32] <manchicken> It is a bomb.  When you get to it it goes *BOOM*
[04:32] <toma> manchicken: debug will be disabled by compilation, so there is no need to remove them
[04:33] <manchicken> I almost called the Boston bomb squad.
[04:33] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:33] <manchicken> (reference to current events taking place earlier this week)
[04:33] <manchicken> Yeah, that one was kinda stupid though.
[04:42] <Riddell> sebas: I enabled wineconfig by the way, but it still needs to do something sensible if you don't have wine installed
[04:49] <mhb> seele: one more ping
[04:54] <manchicken> So does anybody know about where someone set up us the bomb with the kubuntu upgrade wizard in the adept_updater?
[04:57] <Riddell> manchicken: ?
[04:58] <manchicken> Riddell: I'm having a problem where when I run through the kubuntu upgrade wizard, it segfauls as soon as I hit the first "next" in the wizard.  It's crashing somewhere in qstring, and I follow the stack trace back and it doesn't seem to be anything I've touched in the stack trace... so I though that perhaps someone else was noticing similar behavior.
[04:59] <zakame> manchicken: can confirm on latest feisty
[04:59] <manchicken> Ooh.
[04:59] <manchicken> You know what that means?  That means I'm not crazy.  That's good.
[04:59] <zakame> actually, even before the latest
[05:00] <Riddell> manchicken: yes, it's a known problem, it's something in the wizard that does it
[05:00] <manchicken> (or at least it reduces the likelihood of my being crazy in this particular instance)
[05:00] <Riddell> I've not looked at what yet
[05:00] <manchicken> Yeah...
[05:00] <manchicken> That bug is getting in the way of my being able to test the changelog inside the updater.
[05:00] <manchicken> I have the changelog working perfectly inside manager.
[05:09] <sebas> Lure: Yes, but KApplications can be launched multiple times, so we'd need to check for that and exit.
[05:11] <sebas> Riddell: I'll have a look when I find some time.
[05:31] <nixternal> toma: if you need doc help with Mailody, let me know
[05:32] <toma> nixternal: oh great! i'll take that offer!
[05:32] <nixternal> hehe, is mailody on KDE svn?
[05:32] <toma> yes
[05:32] <nixternal> OK, I have svn+ssh so it will be easy to work with then
[05:33] <nixternal> I will setup a test imap account and start playing. Is there a wiki with any documentation yet?
[05:33] <toma> nixternal: okay, fdoving already wrote a bit which we need to extend
[05:33] <nixternal> no problem
[05:33] <nixternal> has he done it in docbook?
[05:34] <toma> nixternal: no, we wanted the text first, then pass it on to someone who knows docbook
[05:34] <toma> nixternal: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/pim/mailody/docs/MANUAL?rev=626605&view=auto
[05:34] <nixternal> hrmm, I thought fdoving knew docbook, but none the less. I have all of the KDE docbook templates here, plus the EBN, so that is a good step
[05:35] <toma> nixternal: ok, great. you can also join #mailody
[05:35] <nixternal> OK, I have it already local here with my checkout. I can work on converting that to docbook and just commit it
[05:44] <manchicken> Real quick, anybody know how to get dmesg not to print to ttys?
[05:52] <Sime> Riddell: I'm having a look with refresh eyes at some of those remaining media patch issues, BTW.
[05:53] <Riddell> Sime: ooh, cool
[05:59] <nixternal> manchicken: there was something in the forums that explained how to send it where ever you wanted it to go
[05:59] <manchicken> Aah.
[06:06] <Enola_Gay> hi all
[06:07] <Enola_Gay> The KDE Networkmanager works fine in Feisty Herd 3. Finally it is possible with some wlan hardware to connect to wpa secured routers out of the box.
[06:09] <Enola_Gay> But Kopete doesn't encrypt messages anymore in KDE 3.5.6. With the Edgy KDE 3.5.6 builds too. Should I make a bug report or not since it happens in Feisty too?
[06:09] <mhb> Enola_Gay: I guess you should fill a bug
[06:09] <mhb> Enola_Gay: it's the same here
[06:09] <Enola_Gay> ok
[06:10] <mhb> Enola_Gay: does not encrypt or decrypt?
[06:10] <mhb> Enola_Gay: actually mine does encrypt them
[06:10] <Enola_Gay> mhb: It encrypts correctly but the send messages are shown encrypted in my own log.
[06:10] <Riddell> Enola_Gay: a bug report already exists
[06:10] <mhb> Enola_Gay: but fails to decrypt them
[06:10] <Riddell> asking upstream if it's a known problem would be useful
[06:11] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: thx, haven't found it in launchpad.
[06:11] <Riddell> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141171
[06:11] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 141171 in general "gpg broken with kde 3.5.6 (kopete 0.12.4)" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] 
[06:12] <Enola_Gay> I have just made a comment under https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/63221
[06:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 63221 in kdenetwork "No longer able to decrypt GPG IMs" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] 
[06:12] <Riddell> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134907 gives a work around, although I'm not convinced it would work
[06:12] <Ubugtu> KDE bug 134907 in Cryptography Plugin "No longer able to decrypt GPG IMs" [Normal,New] 
[06:13] <Enola_Gay> thx
[06:34] <Lure> sebas: re powermanager dcop: what is the preffered way:
[06:35] <Lure> 1. suspend/hibernate methods execute action even if not supported by HW
[06:35] <Lure> 2. suspend/hibernate execute action only if HW supports actions & not diables
[06:35] <Lure> 3. suspend/hibernate interface not available if HW not supporting / disabled
[06:36] <Lure> sebas: I think 2. is probably the best
[06:37] <Lure> sebas: we use 1. now, but I am not sure if this is the best
[06:42] <sebas> Lure: Warning and not execute, I think.
[06:42] <sebas> Changing the interface dynamically isn't that nice (or?)
[06:42] <Lure> sebas: warning to notification?
[06:42] <Lure> sebas: yep, 3. is not really nice
[06:43] <sebas> At least to console
[06:45] <Lure> sebas: ok, will just do a warning print
[06:47] <sebas> Lure: THanks
[07:18] <manchicken> I wonder if there's a way to disable kbluetoothd...
[07:19] <Tm_T> dpkg -P ?
[07:20] <manchicken> I don't mind it taking up disk ( I may need to use it tonight ) but I don't want it running at the moment.
[07:20] <manchicken> GDB needs all the resource it can pull.
[07:24] <Tm_T> dcop kbluetoothd MainApplication-Interface quit ?
[07:25] <manchicken> kill -15 works too ^_^
[07:25] <manchicken> I was just hoping there'd be a nicer way of doing that.
[07:25] <Tm_T> =)
[07:25] <Tm_T> How dcop quit is not nice?
[07:25] <manchicken> kill is nicer
[07:25] <manchicken> ^_^
[07:25] <manchicken> For me.
[07:26] <manchicken> Riddell: Well, I've found the cause of the crash.
[07:26] <Riddell> oh?
[07:27] <manchicken> Yeah.  the release notes URL is a null pointer.
[07:27] <manchicken> heh
[07:27] <manchicken> And there was zero checking around it.
[07:28] <manchicken> I'm trying to work a check in there.
[07:29] <jjesse> is it just me or in feisty ubiquity the spot to type your name smaller?  mine barely displays
[07:29] <Riddell> the other question is why that dialogue appears at all when run on feisty
[07:29] <manchicken> That's a fair question.
[07:29] <Riddell> jjesse: works for me, got a screenshot?
[07:29] <jjesse> Riddell: sure, but did it get smaller?
[07:31] <Riddell> jjesse: shouldn't have
[07:31] <jjesse> Riddell: Network
[07:31] <jjesse> do
[07:32] <jjesse> Riddell: http://doc.ubuntu.com/~jjesse/snapshot1.png
[07:33] <manchicken> Well, Riddell, I think your question is going to be the source to the problem.
[07:34] <Riddell> jjesse: looks fine to me
[07:34] <Riddell> jjesse: you want it wider?
[07:34] <jjesse> Riddell: i thought it was wider in the other versions
[07:34] <Riddell> maybe
[07:34] <Riddell> probably my fault
[07:35] <jjesse> its no big deal
[07:35] <Riddell> I'll fix it when I'm next working on ubiquity
[07:35] <seele> mhb: pong
[07:36] <manchicken> Riddell: I bet I know why it's always showing up on edgy.
[07:36] <manchicken> err, feisty
[07:36] <Riddell> manchicken: how's that?
[07:36] <manchicken> Line 104 in upgradewizard....
[07:36] <manchicken> It's actually fetching the meta-release
[07:37] <manchicken> Feisty isn't on that list.
[07:37] <manchicken> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release is the release it's hitting.
[07:38] <manchicken> I'm gonna swim in this and see if I can make it a little more exception-case-tolerant.
[07:38] <Riddell> thanks
[07:39] <manchicken> I need to fix it in order to test the changelog stuff.  heh
[07:39] <manchicken> BTW, I sent out a clean patch for the tooltips thing last night.
[07:39] <Riddell> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release is what we want it to get though
[07:39] <manchicken> Yeah, but we don't want it to misbehave if the user is on a development version.
[07:40] <manchicken> The two options I see we have is to make it so it can ignore missing entries, or we could move development releases in there somehow.
[07:40] <manchicken> Maybe have a second file that it goes to if it can't find the current version in meta-release
[07:40] <Riddell> if it can't find the current version it should give up
[07:41] <manchicken> Okay.
[07:43] <manchicken> That makes sense to me.
[07:46] <gnomefreak> manchicken: congrats on membership :)
[07:47] <manchicken> Much thanks ^_^
[07:48] <gnomefreak> yw
[07:51] <manchicken> Now if only I could remember how to read code...
[07:51] <manchicken> heh
[08:00] <manchicken> Okay I think I found a way to get it to ignore things.
[08:02] <manchicken> *SWEET*
[08:02] <manchicken> Problem solved.
[08:02] <manchicken> Although I still don't understand why it was giving nulls for the version release notes field.
[08:03] <manchicken> It was defaulting to Warty if it couldn't find the distro.
[08:03] <Riddell> that's not good
[08:03] <manchicken> OOH!!!  I know why
[08:03] <manchicken> We didn't start putting notes on until Dapper
[08:04] <manchicken> Now I can fix the problem with the changelogs in the updater.
[08:07] <manchicken> Riddell: If you want, I can send you the patch to kubuntu_upgrader'
[08:07] <manchicken> I'm going to file a bug to help people know that it was a problem and that it has been addressed.
[08:09] <Riddell> manchicken: please do
[08:10] <Riddell> manchicken: I'm pretty sure there is already a bug for that
[08:10] <manchicken> I didn't see one when I looked.
[08:11] <manchicken> I'll double-check.
[08:16] <Riddell> I could be wrong
[08:16] <Riddell> it's happened before
[08:16] <manchicken> Me too ^_^
[08:18] <XVampireX> Oh, people, apparently, there's amarok 1.4.5 out (Final)
[08:18] <XVampireX> If anyone is up for including that...
[08:19] <Riddell> poke imbrandon
[08:19] <manchicken> Riddell: There's your patch.
[08:19] <XVampireX> imbrandon is responsible for amarok?
[08:20] <Riddell> he has the lock
[08:21] <XVampireX> ah
[08:21] <XVampireX> There's also openwengo, which is by the way shaping quite nicely, perhaps this could be used in the future for VoIP in kubuntu?
[08:22] <Riddell> XVampireX: it's too large to be included on the disk, but we have a package in universe
[08:22] <XVampireX> Ah
[08:23] <XVampireX> Version: 2.0.0~rc5-svn8108-3
[08:23] <XVampireX> Hmm, what's that?
[08:23] <Riddell> what it says, an svn snapshot
[08:24] <XVampireX> So it gets updated often in universe aside from UVF?
[08:25] <Riddell> no
[08:32] <manchicken> What's the QA chan?
[08:33] <manchicken> bugs?
[08:33] <fdoving> #ubuntu-bugs
[08:35] <Sime> Riddell: looking at this stuff again... I had a patch that fixed opening CDs from the desktop, but it was too late for inclusion with Edgy. We should put it in Feisty.
[08:35] <Riddell> I wonder if it's already in
[08:35] <Riddell> tonio would know
[08:37] <Sime> I'll have to upgrade my test box to Feisty soon.
[08:37] <Sime> can I see the current patches for Feisy online somewhere?
[08:38] <Riddell> put the feisty deb-src line in sources.list and apt-get update; apt-get source kdelibs kdebase
[08:40] <Sime> Riddell: ok, l'll try that.
[08:40] <manchicken> Riddell: all adept bugs are in https://bugs.launchpad.net/adept/+bugs right?
[08:41] <Riddell> manchicken: yep
[08:41] <Riddell> oh, no
[08:41] <Riddell> that's the product
[08:41] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bugs
[08:43] <manchicken> Ah.
[08:43] <manchicken> Okay.
[08:43] <manchicken> I thought that was a rather short list
[08:44] <manchicken> Do I change that status to in progress, fix committed, or what/
[08:45] <Riddell> fix committed will do
[08:45] <manchicken> Okay.  I'm assigning it to me as well.
[08:46] <jjesse> i noticed that the k menu entry for adept was changed to deal w/ bug #67217 but can we remove the parentheses? and make it just Adept Package Manager instead of Adept Package Manager (Manage Packages) ??
[08:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 67217 in adept "Change the text of Adept's KMenu entry" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67217
[08:47] <manchicken> Bug #80618 is the one I worked on.
[08:47] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80618 in adept "adept-installer crashes when clicking next on 'there seems to be an update' dialog" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80618
[08:47] <Riddell> jjesse: we should change it from Adept Manager to just Adept
[08:53] <jjesse> Riddell: that makes sense
[09:03] <fdoving> who does gnewsense-kde ?
[09:12] <Riddell> fdoving: no idea, would be interesting to find out
[09:15] <XVampireX> There's a little bug with ubuntu, it keeps telling me that: "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:" and shows a long list of packages that it wants to remove... but alot of them are actually required by packages
[09:16] <Riddell> like what?
[09:16] <XVampireX> first line:  liborbit2-dev kscd libtwolame0 krita-data linux-headers-2.6.20-5 kword-data libavahi-compat-howl0 kde-i18n-he gftp-gtk
[09:16] <XVampireX> it has more than that, of course
[09:17] <Riddell> XVampireX: in feisty?
[09:18] <manchicken> Wow, static shock froze my sound card.
[09:19] <manchicken> That just sounds so very... not good.
[09:19] <manchicken> I stuck some FSF DRM warning labels on the part that I felt the shock on.  Hopefully that'll insulate it.
[09:23] <XVampireX> prboom freezes X
[09:23] <ryanakca> manchicken: lol
[09:24] <XVampireX> That kept happening for me in Edgy, and now Feisty
[09:24] <XVampireX> I tried prboom in Arch Linux when I tried it, and it works.
[09:28] <fdoving> Riddell: Christian Fernandez aka 'Rek2' does gnewsense-kde.
[09:28] <fdoving> fyi.
[09:29] <XVampireX> Another thing, supertux froze my system when I quit, using Beryl, don't know if it's related to beryl or not though
[09:29] <XVampireX> Should I file a bug in launchpad?
[09:29] <Riddell> fdoving: thanks
[09:29] <Riddell> XVampireX: try it without beryl and find out where the fault is
[09:30] <Lure> Riddell: I have kmilo solution with dcop ready, but will require new kde-guidance upload first
[09:30] <Lure> Riddell: otherwise it may hang ;-)
[09:30] <Riddell> Lure: good stuff
[09:30] <Riddell> although I'm busy today
[09:31] <fdoving> Lure: any news on the memleak?
[09:31] <Lure> Riddell:  no problem
[09:31] <Riddell> but I can do it tomorrow if tonio or someone doesn't do it first
[09:31] <Lure> fdoving: no news from upstream
[09:31] <Lure> fdoving: I am thinking to run python-debug myself under valgrind :-(
[09:31] <fdoving> Lure: ok. i read the mail-thread you had going with them a few days ago.
[09:31] <Lure> Riddell: I will probably upload it somewhere and drop you and Tonio an e-mail
[09:32] <Lure> fdoving: their patch has no effect (at least on my system) :-(
[09:32] <fdoving> Lure: i could tell from the e-mails :)
[09:33] <fdoving> bbl tv.
[09:36] <mhb> hmm
[09:36] <mhb> we'd have to make a new kde-guidance upload once grubconfig gets in
[09:38] <Lure> Riddell: since I will prepare new kde-guidance package - should we drop wine from k-s-s until it is properly fixed?
[09:39] <Lure> mhb: when do you plan to commit grubconfig?
[09:39] <mhb> Lure: ASAP, I'm waiting on SVN rights, actually.
[09:40] <Lure> mhb: ok, then we should probably wait for this
[09:40] <mhb> Lure: I really hope it can be sorted out tomorrow.
[09:40] <Lure> mhb: are you author of wineconfig?
[09:40] <mhb> I think yuriy_ is
[09:41] <mhb> not sure though
[09:41] <Lure> mhb: I will probably just add a quick patch to prevent running if ~/.wine does not exist
[09:42] <mhb> Lure: yuriy_ is the author, I checked.
[09:44] <Riddell> Lure++
[09:44] <XVampireX> Riddell: If it will still freeze, is there any way to launch it in a safe way that I could debug it?
[09:44] <Lure> Riddell: I will just do a quick hack and yuriy_ can fix it when around
[09:45] <Riddell> XVampireX: I've no idea
[09:46] <XVampireX> Riddell: Oh
[09:47] <manchicken> XVampireX: You may want to contact the upstream folks to see if they've any ideas on that.
[09:49] <XVampireX> manchicken: Will do, thanks :D
[09:49] <manchicken> np
[09:59] <toma> who wants to have the honor of confirming bug 83302 ?
[09:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83302 in mailody "Please sync 0.4.0-1 from debian unstable" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83302
[10:01] <Riddell> toma: done
[10:02] <toma> Riddell: thanks
[10:12] <yuriy_> hi
[10:14] <yuriy_> hi Lure, Riddell, mhb
[10:15] <Lure> yuriy_: hi
[10:15] <Lure> yuriy_: we need you to fix windeconfig ;-)
[10:15] <Lure> yuriy_: it crashes on systems without wine
[10:16] <Lure> yuriy_: bug 82723
[10:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82723 in kde-guidance "wineconfig doesn't work" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82723
[10:16] <yuriy_> the reason i didn't finish it was i needed to get a patch into wine to get something working, but i've now sent in 4 attempts and each time they tell me something new they don't like that they didn't tell me before
[10:16] <yuriy_> but i'll take out that functionality and fix whatever is making it crash and then we can package it
[10:16] <yuriy_> but right now my problem is it seems i forgot my svn password
[10:17] <Lure> yuriy_: you should have used your ssh key for kde svn ;-)
[10:17] <yuriy_> or more accurately, my ssh password
[10:18] <yuriy_> although i'm sure i remember it, but it won't work
[10:18] <Lure> yuriy_: if you provide me a patch, I can test and commit for you
[10:19] <Lure> yuriy_: we will have new svn snapshot uploaded soon (for sure before Wed) and it would be nice if wineconfig works
[10:19] <yuriy_> umm.. when was this packaged? is it a separate binary package from guidance? and does it depend on wine?
[10:22] <Lure> yuriy_: no, Tonio_ just added desktop file, so it is now in k-s-s
[10:22] <Lure> yuriy_: and it does not depend on wine...
[10:22] <Lure> yuriy_: should we make separate package and make it depend on wine?
[10:23] <yuriy_> Lure: i think that would be sensible. though that would put it in universe, right?
[10:23] <Lure> yuriy_: I think so
[10:39] <yuriy_> Lure: if it's not made to depend on wine, is there a way we can have the icon not show up with wine not installed?  albeit it shouldn't crash anyway, but having the icon there wouldn't make much sense too
[10:39] <Lure> yuriy_: this would be special case for k-s-s
[10:40] <Lure> yuriy_: if it needs wine, it should depend on it
[10:40] <Lure> yuriy_: if not, then it should work also w/o
[10:42] <yuriy_> Lure: i'll fix it not to crash, but i think it should depend on it. and i don't think it should be there by default
[10:43] <Lure> yuriy_: then write e-mail to Tonio_ so that he creates new package (kde-guidance-wine) like we have for powermanager
[10:43] <yuriy_> Lure: but if it doesn't depend on it, would it make sense to pop up something like "you need to have wine installed to run windows programs, would you like to install it" and then install it with adeptbatch?
[10:43] <Lure> yuriy_: you could add this into wineconfig
[10:44] <Lure> yuriy_: I think something like this raphink added for samba or nfs (do not recall)
[10:44] <yuriy_> Lure: ok i'll do that then. is that something that can be done through the shell or do i need python bindings?
[10:45] <yuriy_> (what's the difference between adept_batch and command line apt-get or aptitude btw?)
[10:45] <Riddell> adept_batch has a GUI
[10:46] <yuriy_> yeah i guess my question is more like what IS adept_batch, since i always installed codecs myself with aptitude
[10:46] <yuriy_> ok, i see
[10:48] <yuriy_> how do i use it? it doesn't have a man page
[10:48] <Riddell> adept_batch install foo
[10:48] <Riddell> --help should explain
[10:48] <Riddell> amarok's install-mp3 script uses it
[10:48] <yuriy_> Riddell: --help only gives generic information
[10:49] <Riddell> mm, silly
[10:52] <yuriy_> i'll look at amarok's script and see how it's all done. i thought adept_batch had the ability to add repos, but looks like the script does that too...
[10:53] <Riddell> it doesn't
[10:53] <Riddell> yuriy_: software-properties will do though
[10:53] <Riddell> yuriy_: why do you need that?
[10:55] <yuriy_> Riddell: see me and Lure's discussion^ need to make wineconfig a separate package and either make it depend on wine and put it in universe, or not and make it pop up a useful dialog
[10:56] <Riddell> yuriy_: why?
[10:56] <Riddell> "make it pop up a useful dialog" is much preferred
[10:57] <yuriy_> Riddell: in that case i want to make it give the option to install wine, so it would need to enable universe and install it
[10:58] <mhb> universe won't be enabled by default?
[10:58] <yuriy_> is it?
[10:58] <Riddell> mhb: it will, but you can't assume that
[10:58] <Riddell> someone might disable it
[10:58] <mhb> okay then
[10:58] <Riddell> yuriy_: software properties will be uploaded hopefully tomorrow and that'll let you enable repositories with a simple command
[10:59] <Riddell> then use adept_batch to install
[10:59] <Enola_Gay> Is it a know bug or restriction that xv can only display one video at a time?
[10:59] <yuriy_> oh ok :) and my ssh password seems to work this time! :D
[11:01] <yuriy_> Riddell: but do you agree that it should be a separate package, or no?
[11:02] <mhb> if wineconfig were in a separate package, why should it offer to install wine?
[11:03] <Riddell> yuriy_: I don't think so no
[11:03] <Riddell> Enola_Gay: I doubt anyone here uses xv
[11:05] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: What are they using?
[11:06] <Riddell> kaffeine for videos
[11:06] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: Oh, I mean the api, not the Tool.
[11:06] <Enola_Gay> xv= xorg video afaik
[11:06] <Enola_Gay> or something like that
[11:06] <Riddell> ah
[11:07] <Riddell> I've no idea
[11:08] <Enola_Gay> Kaffeine is great but DVDs seems to judder. It is very weird. Avis i. e. work fine.
[11:10] <Enola_Gay> It is not the cache. DVDs have after-images or something like that in Kaffeine.
[11:11] <Riddell> blame xine
[11:11] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: Both, kaffeine and vlc uses xv if they can. If I have video running and start a second player instance or another video player the first player crashes and afterwards I couldn't start any video anymore until x restart. This happesn since Edgy. In old versions I got an video player error that xv is in use.
[11:12] <Enola_Gay> Riddell: I know.
[11:13] <Enola_Gay> Kaffeine was my standard player since Edgy until I needed crop for online recorder videos. Now vlc is my favorite again.
[11:19] <Enola_Gay> *since it has the new gui - don't know if it was released with dapper or edgy
[11:19] <Enola_Gay> cu all
[11:44] <yuriy_> if i use adept_batch and software properties, that means they will have to be dependencies for guidance?
[11:45] <Riddell> yuriy_: well you can always do something sensible if they aren't there
[11:45] <Riddell> just appologise and tell the user to do it by hand
[11:45] <yuriy_> ok
[11:47] <meetinglogger> hey guys
[11:47] <meetinglogger> are there packages of amarok 1.4.5 yet?
[11:47] <Riddell> nope, imbrandon says he has them but hasn't givem to any of us
[11:47] <meetinglogger> :S
[11:48] <meetinglogger> as long as there are some :-)
[11:49] <meetinglogger> imbrandon: ping
[11:53] <nixternal> anyone here install Ubuntu or Edubuntu recently? Is it me or is the "Partitioning" portion not user-friendly?
[11:54] <Riddell> nixternal: it's the new partitioner, I'll be implementing it in kubuntu soon
[11:54] <Riddell> it'll get some improvements
[11:54] <nixternal> Riddell: at least mention in order to delete or add a partition to right click on the one you want to edit
[11:54] <nixternal> I just sat here looking at it with a "wth" look on my face
[11:57] <Riddell> I've not looked at it yet
[11:58] <nixternal> ya, it is pretty bad from a usability standpoint. Just the partitioner
[12:02] <Riddell> "Account for Martin B??hm (martinbohm) created."
[12:02] <Riddell> well done mhb
[12:04] <mhb> Riddell: thanks
[12:05] <Riddell> mhb: going to commit grubconfig?
[12:08] <mhb> Riddell: one or two errors fixed and it's there
[12:09] <mhb> Riddell: it's 00:00 here, so in the morning it should be there
[12:09] <nixternal> create me an account :)
[12:09] <nixternal> superbowl time
[12:10] <mhb> Riddell: although the boys ( Sime_away and sebas ) might want to look at it first before we package that
[12:10] <Riddell> mhb: sure we won't package it until we know it's working, but no need to block on comitting it
[12:12] <nixternal> GO BEARS!
[12:16] <mhb> Riddell: I want to make it work (as in work enough to be testable) before the next packaging of kde-guidance
[12:16] <Riddell> mhb: well we need to get it in before thursday
[12:16] <mhb> yuriy_: when will you have your wineconfig fixes ready?
[12:16] <Riddell> so that's your deadline :)
[12:17] <mhb> Riddell: true, but I don't want to bug anybody on Wednesday with it
[12:17] <Riddell> as soon as do-able would be best basicly
[12:17] <mhb> bye for now