[12:28] _StefanS_: you here? [12:28] <_StefanS_> yups [12:28] <_StefanS_> compiling kdebase as usual :) [12:33] <_StefanS_> are you ? :) [12:34] _StefanS_: yep [12:34] tired, but I'm here [12:35] _StefanS_: I talked to kwwii about your proposal [12:35] <_StefanS_> yea? [12:35] <_StefanS_> did he hate it ? :D [12:36] _StefanS_: it depends [12:36] _StefanS_: the idea of changing the shutdown dialog is nice, of course :o) [12:36] <_StefanS_> I know the picture was rough [12:36] <_StefanS_> but it was just to have something to show [12:37] _StefanS_: what would be nice is to use similar icons to the GNOME ones [12:37] <_StefanS_> mhb: yea, i know. I've looked all around but could find a nice set [12:38] <_StefanS_> mhb: but didn't find anything. [12:38] _StefanS_: try to use the ones in Human/HNOME [12:38] GNOME [12:38] _StefanS_: for starters [12:38] <_StefanS_> mhb: yep I grab those and use [12:38] _StefanS_: we also discussed the placement [12:39] _StefanS_: the icons should be in two lines [12:39] _StefanS_: the first line is Log Out / Sleep / Hibernate [12:40] <_StefanS_> okay, and the rest below [12:41] <_StefanS_> plus a cancel button to the lower right I imagine [12:41] _StefanS_: yep === _StefanS_ is booting ubuntu to steal the Human icons [12:41] <_StefanS_> goody I'll go do that [12:42] _StefanS_: we can presume Ubuntu has done some usability tests, so we can make a similar one [12:42] <_StefanS_> mhb: good point. [12:42] _StefanS_: the only difference is that we don't use the on mouseover text descriptions like they do [12:42] <_StefanS_> mhb: okay, I was going to ask that question [12:43] <_StefanS_> btw, do you want a window with a titlebar, or just a frame (like default logout) [12:43] a frame, I guess [12:44] <_StefanS_> I see ubuntu uses that aswell [12:44] Ubuntu uses a frame, KDE default uses a frame too, so that one is clear [12:46] _StefanS_: I guess you could try to make the UI similar to the GNOME one as well [12:46] _StefanS_: I mean - no hard lines [12:47] _StefanS_: http://shots.linuxquestions.org/scaled/Ubuntu%207.04%20Alpha%203/30.gif [12:47] <_StefanS_> sure [12:47] <_StefanS_> you still want a similar hover effect, right ? [12:47] _StefanS_: maybe there will be changes in that (I'm not the one in charge here, I just like your idea) [12:48] <_StefanS_> okay, we'll just change it along the way if needed [12:48] _StefanS_: some button effect would be vital, I guess [12:49] <_StefanS_> there's currently just a negative effect on it [12:49] <_StefanS_> I will make it more soft [12:50] _StefanS_: thanks [12:51] <_StefanS_> no problem, its interesting stuff. Always liked usuability stuff, and prettying up things :) [12:51] <_StefanS_> after all if you got a capable piece of software its kinda worthless without good ui design.. a clich i know, but true. [12:53] yes, true === _StefanS_ finally found good use for the T7600. Compiling kde 24/7 all day, all year [12:53] that's bad for the environment :o) [12:53] <_StefanS_> heh ;) [12:54] please poke me when you have some new screenshots [12:54] <_StefanS_> they'll just throw in the "auxilary" power switch down at the plant [12:54] <_StefanS_> sure thing === mhb goes back to coding === _StefanS_ does too. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee wonders who did what to kopete.... [01:19] ? [01:20] kopete chat window used to be nice and compact [01:20] Hobbsee!! [01:20] :o) [01:20] You can change the themes and all that [01:21] it's not a theme change - it's the main window [01:21] http://buntudot.org/people/~hobbsee/ [01:22] Hobbsee: sounds like a certain guy named Anthony [01:22] mhb: sorry? [01:22] Hobbsee: does Tonio sound more familiar? [01:22] mhb: yeah, but what's he done? [01:22] Hobbsee: umm... the patches to kopete? [01:23] that make the main window themable? [01:23] argh [01:23] I told him I like things compact [01:23] hope it can be turned off === oslo [n=Lancelot@alf94-5-82-225-102-119.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:26] mhb: yes. mind you, feisty is testing. [01:28] mhb: i wonder how one themes it... [01:28] Hobbsee: and testing is using :o) [01:28] hehe [01:28] yes [01:28] it's just annoying that i cant see all the people in the list at a glance. === Hobbsee gets out her Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! === mhb has so many people there that he couldn't do that anyway [01:29] now it's like 10 screens of scrolling for me :o) [01:30] haha [01:30] well, neither could i - but it didnt involve anywhere near as much scrolling === Hobbsee hit the msn contact limit a few years ago [01:30] there is a contact limit? :P [01:30] yep [01:31] 120, iirc [01:31] too many friends for Hobbsee [01:32] heh [01:35] Hobbsee needs to start rejecting & ostracising some friends [01:35] ajmitch: heh [01:35] ajmitch: did you want to be first? :P [01:35] sure, why not? [01:35] :P [01:35] you never talk to me anyway ;) [01:36] Hobbsee: I think it's a kde-look.org modification - you can try searching there [01:36] keep your friends close and your enemies closer, eh? [01:36] yeah, i talk to you here instead... [01:36] crimsun: no, i attack my enemies with my Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [01:36] lucky me === mhb thinks that kopete skin could be improved a bit [01:37] I mean the new one [01:39] yes... === shnee_ [n=CurtyD13@cblmdm72-241-107-50.buckeyecom.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jikanter [n=jordan@c-24-12-220-77.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:48] hrm. cant figure how to change it === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:50] Hobbsee: [01:50] http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=49765 [01:51] it seems there are more skins on the net for that [01:52] ahhh...so that's it [01:53] mhb: the chat window is nice === poningru [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:58] have you seen the Ubuntu and Kubuntu sharing apps? [01:58] well, the configuration tools [01:58] the Kubuntu one is over-bloated and unusable, and I mean it [02:08] we looked at that at UDS and decided it was so bad it wasn't possible to fix in KDE 3 [02:10] Riddell: by the way, now that even Ubuntu has a systemsettings-like center, wouldn't be more useful to have only one usability study and make both centers according to it? [02:12] but that's more of a feisty+1 idea === mhb goes to sleep so he can concentrate more on feisty+0 tomorrow :o) [02:12] goodnight [02:12] <_StefanS_> nighty [02:13] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the fade thing works now. Also with on/off and timing from ksmserverrc. [02:13] _StefanS_: excellent [02:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: now I just need some instructions doing the diff correctly. [02:14] mhb: no, KDE isn't going to use the same settings UI as gnome [02:15] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I applied all patches(make -f ... ), and then made my changes to shutdowndlg.h and shutdowndlg.cpp. [02:15] _StefanS_: download the current sources again, apply current patches again, diff -urN the two source trees [02:15] <_StefanS_> alright [02:17] <_StefanS_> btw, the fade is much more usable when you can control timings from the config as well. I'm glad I put them in there. [02:21] <_StefanS_> I've a got a diff now, want it in an email ? [02:22] yes please [02:23] <_StefanS_> there you go [02:26] <_StefanS_> brb === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:31] morning Riddell === ryanakca_ [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:33] mhb:" I've then decided to implement an xml theming language that would give to the user complete freedom to build the theme he/she wants." [02:33] That's... *drools* [02:33] Hmm, will we finally see a real kopete customized for kubuntu? :) [02:34] no [02:34] :( [02:34] that'll likely be the new kopete interface.... [02:34] hiya Hobbsee [02:34] for everyone [02:34] hey jjesse!!!! [02:34] the famous author :) [02:34] anyone having problems booting vmware off fiesty herd 3? [02:35] Hobbsee: we are under a blizzard warning here and the police are telling people to not drive cause of the snow and drifting [02:35] jjesse: eep! [02:36] Hobbsee: do you guys get a lot of snow in winter? [02:36] jjesse: nope :) [02:36] none === ryanakca [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:40] _StefanS_: applies fine, I'll take a look at it tomorrow morning and if it works upload it [02:40] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the effect seems rather slow.. and I think I know why. [02:41] why? === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: inside the slotPaintEffect i read the settings every time its called [02:41] <_StefanS_> Riddell: probably not a good idea :) [02:42] ah [02:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: should be placed outside [02:42] yep [02:42] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will correct it, and send you another one very soon. === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:49] :) === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-82-104.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-82-104.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:18] Riddell: You still about? === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:54] manchicken: a bit [03:55] Were you going to fix that bug with the arrow icon? [03:55] manchicken: I'd rather you did it first :) [03:56] I'll wait for you on it [03:56] and the columns move to the left when expanded [03:59] should bug #73151 be assigned against ubuntu-iso-tests? [03:59] Malone bug 73151 in openscenegraph "[libopenscenegraph4] Dependancies Need To Be Updated" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/73151 [03:59] doh wrong # [03:59] bug 83151 [03:59] Malone bug 83151 in Ubuntu "Kubuntu Herd 3 fails to start X on Inspiron 5100" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83151 [04:00] Riddell: I was actually hoping you wouldn't ^_^ [04:00] Riddell: I'll post a bug for it and make sure to snag it after feature freeze. [04:00] jjesse: no, it should be against X [04:01] ok [04:01] x-server ? [04:02] Riddell: If you wanted to, could you assign some other bugs that you think I could fix in adept I can take a look at them. === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-82-104.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-82-104.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-82-104.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:25] Well, it's not crashing anymore. [04:25] But it ain't working either. === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:43] ryanakca: can i beat that guy in #kubuntu? [04:43] umm... /me looks === ryanakca can't see why not [04:43] have fun === ryanakca looks [04:43] hehe [04:44] go head... 28 him :) [04:51] LMAO === manchicken crashed gdb [04:52] ouch! [04:52] All I was doing was clearing and setting breakpoints. [04:52] heh [04:52] Who'd you kill in #kubuntu? === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A742EC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:08] Okay, so I've got the request going through, but it's not giving me the changelog content. Interesting. [05:09] manchicken: i didnt. i was wanting to though [05:12] Who? Minataku? [05:12] yes [05:12] I'm his biggest fan, too ;) [05:13] oh? [05:21] Yeah. Guy likes to go around pretending like he is the world's most knowledgeable user. Many put-downs. [05:25] lol [05:25] k/b is Hobbsee's friend :) [05:25] hehe [05:27] imbrandon: please install vim on your machine. === Hobbsee cant cope with this crappy vim substitute [05:31] Hobbsee: You know, GNU emacs is always the same no matter where you use it ;) [05:31] heh === manchicken trolls a bit [05:32] I actually put up a blog entry asking for some answers from more advanced vi users about some questions I keep getting. [05:32] manchicken: heh [05:32] http://www.notsosoft.net === Hobbsee doesnt know emacs [05:33] If you know vi pretty well, see if you can answer any of my questions. [05:33] I can hold my own in vi, but I don't know much of the advanced features. === shnee_ [n=CurtyD13@cblmdm72-241-107-50.buckeyecom.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee neither === Hobbsee just knows enough to get her by. [05:35] manchicken: imbrandon is insane. [05:35] Is he? [05:35] he's a nano user. [05:36] yep [05:36] If you can use nano, you can use emacs ^_^ [05:38] has anyone checked out karchiver? [05:38] it looks neat === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-82-104.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:40] Wow, gdb was SUCKING my machine dry. [05:40] 273MB of used ram. [05:40] No, is karchiver any good? [05:41] Does it do 7zip? [05:41] dunno [05:41] http://perso.orange.fr/coquelle/karchiver/ [05:44] Worst... logo.... ever [05:45] The installing patches thing looks neat. [05:45] hehe, yep === Hobbsee wonders about throwing amarok into bzr [05:45] Works with Gnu [05:46] GnuPG* === Hobbsee just requested a sync to get it into ubuntu [05:56] Hmm... adept doesn't have a config file it seems... [05:56] These changes I'm making to adept are going to be very non-upstream friendly. [05:58] Oh well, named constants will make it less painful to improve better. [06:03] BOOYA! Houston, we've got a changelog. === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:04] :D [06:12] I'm committing it. [06:13] :) [06:13] Merging in bzr is painful. [06:13] They really need to fix that. [06:26] Nice! It's -17'C actual, -28'C "real-feel" outside. [06:30] heh [06:31] Hobbsee: Where is the base adept repository for feisty? [06:31] I need to see which features have been merged in. [06:31] manchicken: *shrug* [06:32] apt-get source adept would tell you === orkid [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242373347.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:35] Why the heck isn't bzip2 not in standard build for feisty? That one seems kinda important to me. [06:35] Oh well. [06:35] i thought it would be? [06:35] I would, too. [06:36] I just had to install it on my feisty chroot that I've been using for a while. === Hobbsee rebuilds amarok after her changes, and after rm-ing the dir by mistake [06:36] Maybe they just had it embedded into tar only.... [06:36] heh [06:36] I've done that before. [06:36] What you doing? [06:36] adding changes to imbrandon's amarok [06:36] manchicken: "standard build" != chroot. [06:37] manchicken: bzip2 is a dependency of ubuntu-minimal [06:37] (which is seeded by default) [06:37] Interesting. [06:38] Ooh, I'm glad I didn't check that in without testing it first.... [06:38] heh [06:38] I got changelog into adept_manager, but not adept_updater [06:38] heh [06:38] It's there, but it goes BOOM [06:40] ah [06:45] I found a bomb in the update wizard. [06:46] w00t! Not my fault. Gotta love it. [06:47] I wonder if anybody else found this one. [06:48] :) [06:48] I'm going to submit my patch now anyway. === orkid [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242373347.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-039-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:14] hobbsee [08:14] Setting up vim-full (7.0-035+1ubuntu5) ... 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Seveas [11:42] 01:14 < imbrandon> imbrandon@aurora:~$ [11:43] Hobbsee, ^^ [11:43] imbrandon, ? [11:43] imbrandon: woo!!! [11:44] imbrandon: when you go to deal in amaork again, can you make sure you take from /home/hobbsee/amarok, to grab my changes please? [11:44] imbrandon: and where are those konvi debs? [11:44] sorry Seveas , bad paste [11:44] bad imbrandon [11:44] Hobbsee, yea i seen your changes [11:44] :) [11:44] imbrandon: cool :) [11:44] and konvi is comming [11:44] when? [11:44] :) [11:44] when it's done [11:45] imbrandon: if you dont have hte time, i'll do the repo, etc. [11:45] heh when i setup the scripts on aurora to autobuild it again [11:45] (if you hand over hte scripts) [11:45] hehe, go on :) === manchicken_ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:46] imbrandon: way cool. my version even built! [11:46] (took some more out of debian.install) [11:46] huh ? what did you take out? [11:47] ugh, i added a bunch but they still neded deps added to work === imbrandon groans [11:47] ahh. just can my changes to there, then === Hobbsee only copied. [11:47] ie, just can amarok.install, and keep your version [11:47] sorry :( [11:48] np, what did you remove though? [11:48] diff against your versoin and find out? a few almost at the bottom [11:48] e.g. we dont want regression of features , like no ipod support hehe, thus why its takin a little while to upload [11:48] kk [11:48] yeah [11:53] me hugs Hobbsee [11:53] +/ === OdyX [n=Didier@vpn-epfl-a057.epfl.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:53] :) === praetor_ [n=praetor@124-168-120-65.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:09] alt+f2 rocks. it can do math! [12:09] HAHA, NEAT! [12:09] argh, capslock [12:09] alt+f2 2+2 cool. [12:20] does anyone use Thunderbird here and noticed that the scrollbar fix for the plastik theme, doesn't actually work? 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[02:42] Hobbsee: lol === OdyX [n=Didier@vpn-epfl-b112.epfl.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:17] wasn't the meeting last week? [03:17] ryanakca: yeah it was [03:18] ryanakca: feel like writing the minutes? :P === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.51.188.73] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX_ [n=Didier@tsf-wpa-2-201.epfl.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:25] homeeting wednesday the 7th? [03:26] s/homeeting/meeting === manchicken|away [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken|away [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:48] since the meeting was last week, shall I change the /topic? [03:48] please [03:49] anything to add while I'm at it? [03:49] FF on thursday [03:50] FF ? [03:50] ah [03:50] feature freeze [03:50] yeah [03:50] took me a minute to figure it out. anything else? [03:50] Feisty Fawn Feature Freeze ... FFFF, actually :o) [03:50] mhb: lol === Bent [n=bent@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:52] hmm... guess not :) === ..[topic/#kubuntu-devel:ryanakca] : Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty/+specs | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | Feature Freeze this Thursday! [03:52] Riddell: um. excuse me. there seems to be a bug (not sure if it's a bug really) regarding some list views in KDE 3.5.6 that's affecting Adept. basically, it's not possible to sort the list anymore [03:52] the only other place I see this happening is Keyboard Shortcuts -> General Shortcuts and Shortcut Sequence tabs [03:53] probably manchicken's fault :) [03:54] heh unfortunately it isn't [03:54] how do you know? [03:54] I've seen the behavior in the keyboard shortcuts module when I was running KDE SVN [03:54] (before I reinstalled Kubuntu) [03:56] strangely enough, I can't think of any other app/module that uses a list view that exhibits this bevahior, so I only have 2 examples... [03:56] Riddell: hi, i have a patch for os-prober(which is a part of d-i and helps detect installed OSs) which is necessary for grubconfig to work... what's the correct process to get it into ubuntu? [03:57] Riddell: i've already sent the patch to the debian bts [03:57] abattoir: report a bug to launchpad.net/ubuntu and poke cjwatson on irc [03:58] Riddell: great, thanks [03:58] abattoir: but grubconfig is the guidance tool? [03:58] Riddell: yes === neversfelde_ [n=chrman@195.71.20.74] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:58] Riddell: the one mhb is working on === Jucato is excited to see it... === mhb is excited to finish it .o) [03:59] why does it depend on something done at install time? [04:00] Riddell: the OSes may change after that [04:00] so grubconfig also uses os-prober? [04:00] Riddell: any idea why KGlobalAccel would not work in ksmserver? [04:01] it needs to know what are the OSs installed and if there has been any change... d-i uses it during install time to create the menu.lst [04:01] Lure: nope [04:02] Riddell: I changed the hal code to be able to add shortcuts, but now they do not work [04:02] Riddell: yes, it does [04:02] Riddell: I suspect it may be related to how KDE is started [04:02] Riddell: so I might need to switch to kmilo + dcop to power-manager (or ksmserver) :-( [04:03] mm, and pykde doesn't work with KGlobalAccel does it? [04:04] Riddell: no :-( === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde_ is now known as neversfelde [04:05] Riddell: and dcop does not work with KUniqueApplication in PyKDE - otherwise we could add simple config file to k-d-s :-( [04:05] never easy === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:21] We might remove dcop from power-manager until it's fixed upstream. [04:21] Sime would opt for that, and I'd rather not add a hack that checks if power-manager is already running. === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [04:29] sebas: but dcop works with KApplication, right? [04:29] sebas: currently, the only way for laptop keys I see is: kmilo sets KGlobalAccel, does dcopfind power-manager*, calls power-manager action [04:31] toma: Nice catch on that patch. === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:32] manchicken: hehe, wasn't rocket science [04:32] my eye fell on it [04:32] I tried to remove all my unnecessary debug code from there before I committed and posted it. Oh well ^_^ [04:32] "bomb" manchicken... :) [04:32] It is a bomb. When you get to it it goes *BOOM* [04:32] manchicken: debug will be disabled by compilation, so there is no need to remove them [04:33] I almost called the Boston bomb squad. [04:33] Heya gang [04:33] (reference to current events taking place earlier this week) [04:33] Yeah, that one was kinda stupid though. [04:42] sebas: I enabled wineconfig by the way, but it still needs to do something sensible if you don't have wine installed === jpetso_ [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso_ is now known as jpetso [04:49] seele: one more ping [04:54] So does anybody know about where someone set up us the bomb with the kubuntu upgrade wizard in the adept_updater? [04:57] manchicken: ? [04:58] Riddell: I'm having a problem where when I run through the kubuntu upgrade wizard, it segfauls as soon as I hit the first "next" in the wizard. It's crashing somewhere in qstring, and I follow the stack trace back and it doesn't seem to be anything I've touched in the stack trace... so I though that perhaps someone else was noticing similar behavior. [04:59] manchicken: can confirm on latest feisty [04:59] Ooh. [04:59] You know what that means? That means I'm not crazy. That's good. [04:59] actually, even before the latest [05:00] manchicken: yes, it's a known problem, it's something in the wizard that does it [05:00] (or at least it reduces the likelihood of my being crazy in this particular instance) [05:00] I've not looked at what yet [05:00] Yeah... [05:00] That bug is getting in the way of my being able to test the changelog inside the updater. [05:00] I have the changelog working perfectly inside manager. === meduxa [n=agustin@84.Red-217-127-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso_ [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:09] Lure: Yes, but KApplications can be launched multiple times, so we'd need to check for that and exit. [05:11] Riddell: I'll have a look when I find some time. [05:31] toma: if you need doc help with Mailody, let me know [05:32] nixternal: oh great! i'll take that offer! [05:32] hehe, is mailody on KDE svn? [05:32] yes [05:32] OK, I have svn+ssh so it will be easy to work with then [05:33] I will setup a test imap account and start playing. Is there a wiki with any documentation yet? [05:33] nixternal: okay, fdoving already wrote a bit which we need to extend [05:33] no problem [05:33] has he done it in docbook? [05:34] nixternal: no, we wanted the text first, then pass it on to someone who knows docbook [05:34] nixternal: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/pim/mailody/docs/MANUAL?rev=626605&view=auto [05:34] hrmm, I thought fdoving knew docbook, but none the less. I have all of the KDE docbook templates here, plus the EBN, so that is a good step === manchicken [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:35] nixternal: ok, great. you can also join #mailody [05:35] OK, I have it already local here with my checkout. I can work on converting that to docbook and just commit it [05:44] Real quick, anybody know how to get dmesg not to print to ttys? === pina [n=salt@unaffiliated/pina] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:52] Riddell: I'm having a look with refresh eyes at some of those remaining media patch issues, BTW. [05:53] Sime: ooh, cool [05:59] manchicken: there was something in the forums that explained how to send it where ever you wanted it to go [05:59] Aah. === Enola_Gay [n=enola@dslb-084-056-243-255.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:06] hi all [06:07] The KDE Networkmanager works fine in Feisty Herd 3. Finally it is possible with some wlan hardware to connect to wpa secured routers out of the box. [06:09] But Kopete doesn't encrypt messages anymore in KDE 3.5.6. With the Edgy KDE 3.5.6 builds too. Should I make a bug report or not since it happens in Feisty too? [06:09] Enola_Gay: I guess you should fill a bug [06:09] Enola_Gay: it's the same here [06:09] ok [06:10] Enola_Gay: does not encrypt or decrypt? [06:10] Enola_Gay: actually mine does encrypt them [06:10] mhb: It encrypts correctly but the send messages are shown encrypted in my own log. [06:10] Enola_Gay: a bug report already exists [06:10] Enola_Gay: but fails to decrypt them [06:10] asking upstream if it's a known problem would be useful [06:11] Riddell: thx, haven't found it in launchpad. [06:11] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=141171 [06:11] KDE bug 141171 in general "gpg broken with kde 3.5.6 (kopete 0.12.4)" [Normal,Resolved: duplicate] [06:12] I have just made a comment under https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdenetwork/+bug/63221 [06:12] Malone bug 63221 in kdenetwork "No longer able to decrypt GPG IMs" [Unknown,Unconfirmed] [06:12] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134907 gives a work around, although I'm not convinced it would work [06:12] KDE bug 134907 in Cryptography Plugin "No longer able to decrypt GPG IMs" [Normal,New] [06:13] thx [06:34] sebas: re powermanager dcop: what is the preffered way: [06:35] 1. suspend/hibernate methods execute action even if not supported by HW [06:35] 2. suspend/hibernate execute action only if HW supports actions & not diables [06:35] 3. suspend/hibernate interface not available if HW not supporting / disabled [06:36] sebas: I think 2. is probably the best [06:37] sebas: we use 1. now, but I am not sure if this is the best === XVampireX [n=serge@unaffiliated/xvampirex] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p5495736E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:42] Lure: Warning and not execute, I think. === kwwii_ is now known as kwwii [06:42] Changing the interface dynamically isn't that nice (or?) [06:42] sebas: warning to notification? [06:42] sebas: yep, 3. is not really nice [06:43] At least to console [06:45] sebas: ok, will just do a warning print === Lure still hopes that he can make ksmserver work somehow... === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:47] Lure: THanks === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-039-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pina [n=salt@unaffiliated/pina] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === jjesse [n=jjesse@ppp-69-221-253-25.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:18] I wonder if there's a way to disable kbluetoothd... [07:19] dpkg -P ? [07:20] I don't mind it taking up disk ( I may need to use it tonight ) but I don't want it running at the moment. [07:20]