alex_devilsadvocate: but does give errors12:14
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devilsadvocatealex_, the warnings are ok12:14
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)12:15
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alex_devilsadvocate: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4033/12:15
alex_devilsadvocate: I get that for EVERYTHING I launch12:15
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christopheris there a definative guide to installing xgl on kubuntu? I've seen tons of articles, but they are all old and some people post comments that they dont' work.12:16
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system_hi all12:16
devilsadvocatealex_, thats ok12:17
system_hello all12:17
system_any 1 wanna help?12:17
alex_devilsadvocate: than why do things don't work so often? :S any ideas?12:18
juano__system_: sure12:18
juano__system_: whats the issue12:18
devilsadvocatealex_, no clue12:18
devilsadvocatealex_, if they work from the terminal they should work normally as well12:18
system_iw anna talk on skype or yahoo12:18
system_but with voice12:18
devilsadvocate!question | system_12:18
ubotusystem_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)12:18
juano__alex_: this happens sometimes , running things like 2 or 3 times to get them to work12:19
system_i just asked mine12:19
juano__system_: download skype from www.skype.com12:19
alex_that sucks, never had that problem in SuSE12:19
devilsadvocatealex_, i never had that problem :|12:19
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system_my linux is12:19
juano__alex_: its due to something with the global variables i think12:19
juano__alex_: its an error not a bug12:20
juano__alex_: you need to fix something12:20
juano__alex_: or searching from where are you executing the apps12:20
juano__alex_: devilsadvocate i never had it12:20
juano__alex_: i meant it happens sometimes12:21
devilsadvocatehow do i get kdevelop 3.4 on edgy?12:21
juano__alex_: its caused of a bad setting12:21
juano__alex_: have you googled it _12:21
h3sp4wn!info kdevelop312:21
ubotukdevelop3: Dummy package for transition to kdevelop. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.2+dummy1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 36 kB12:21
alex_juano__: lol, one thing at a time12:21
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alex_juano__: first I need to get my res to work12:21
h3sp4wn!info kdevelop3 feisty12:21
ubotukdevelop3: Dummy package for transition to kdevelop. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.2+dummy1 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 36 kB12:21
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h3sp4wn!info kdevelop12:22
ubotukdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB12:22
h3sp4wn!info kdevelop feisty12:23
ubotukdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 8567 kB, installed size 26148 kB12:23
h3sp4wnbackport it from feisty if you want it12:23
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devilsadvocateh3sp4wn, manually? dont they usually have a repo i could just add? :P12:24
devilsadvocateh3sp4wn, dont bother. got it12:24
h3sp4wndevilsadvocate: you can't just pull packages from feisty or you will end up running feisty12:24
alex_so it says that I have to put 915resolution 1280 800 into /etc/init.d/boot.local12:25
alex_but there is no such file12:25
alex_do I create it?12:25
devilsadvocateh3sp4wn, there is a repo on kubuntu.orgwith kde3.5.6 for edgy, i guess it also has kdevelop12:25
Sannealex_: this seems to be related to your error messages: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7964.0;topicseen and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=126400912:25
system_iwanna use yahoo12:25
devilsadvocatesystem_, yahoo voice is out of the question on *nix12:25
system_i wanna use yahoo messenger on ubuntu which is built on debian12:26
system_u mean its not on *nix?12:26
chavothere are kdevelop 3.4 packages for edgy http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php12:26
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juano__system_: download SKYPE from www.skype.com12:26
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system_i installed skype12:26
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system_but i wanna yahoo12:26
juano__system_: to enter yahoo use KOPETE12:26
alex_Sanne: thanks, I'll try that after I figure out the whole resolution business12:27
system_with voive12:27
devilsadvocatesystem_, talk to yahoo about that. Kopete can do the text12:27
system_i can us gaim12:27
Sannealex_: ok :)12:27
juano__run kopete i think you can enter yahoo accounts there12:27
juano__system_: yes12:27
system_i know12:27
system_but i want voiceeeeee12:27
system_not text12:27
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devilsadvocatesystem_, have a look at yahoo's unix client. thats how much yahoo cares about its non-windows customers12:28
intelikeyis there any way to see when an inode was created ?12:28
alex_so does anyone know if I need to create boot.local?12:29
intelikeyboot.local ?12:29
rEvolution27who uses yahoo anyway?12:29
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intelikeyfor what alex_ ?12:29
devilsadvocaterEvolution27 +112:30
alex_intelikey: I need to add 915resolution 1280 800 there12:30
alex_intelikey: but the file doesn't exist /etc/init.d/boot.local12:30
cpk1alex_: just do sudo nanon /etc/init.d/boot.local12:30
cpk1nano even12:30
Sannealex_: isn't it rc.local?12:30
alex_its not there though12:30
system_alot of ppl use yahoo12:31
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alex_cpk1: its not there12:31
alex_the file doesn't exist12:31
intelikeyit will be if you edit id12:31
cpk1alex_: it will create it, or if that makes you uncomfortable do sudo touch /etc/init.d/boot.local12:31
cpk1and then edit it12:31
alex_just making sure that that file is part of the system12:31
intelikeyso howto see inode creation time ?12:32
cpk1it will be when you create it12:32
alex_it was there by default in suse, but not here12:32
Sannealex_: again: isn't it /etc/rc.local?12:32
cpk1alex_: probably because multiuser scripts go in rc.local12:32
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alex_Sanne: I have no idea, I just go by the instructions that are given on the website12:32
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willanyone know how to check the size of a file from the command prompt?12:33
alex_and rc.local is not there anyway12:33
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intelikeywill ls -l filename12:33
alex_will: ls -l12:33
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intelikeybut i want to know how to see file creation time12:33
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cpk1alex_: /etc/rc.local most certainly is12:33
Sannealex_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy/Hardware#How_to_Correct_the_Graphics_Resolution_.28Intel.2912:34
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willintelikey and alex_: that gave me -r-x--------- 1 root root 0 Jan 30 00:5912:35
rEvolutionalot of ppl use yahoo12:35
intelikeyerr   i want to know how to see inode creation time.12:35
h3sp4wnrc.local shouldn't be used its a bsd thing12:35
cpk1will: so its size is 0, also you can do ls -lh to make the sizes more readable12:35
h3sp4wn(and suppost to be depreciated)12:36
alex_h3sp4wn: omg, I am confused like hell12:36
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alex_h3sp4wn: so what do I do then??12:36
h3sp4wn use /etc/init.d/skeleton and customise to suit12:36
cpk1h3sp4wn: let me guess you are supposed to use rc#.d/ ?12:36
willcpk1: I was afraid of that.  any idea why all of my text files have no size now?12:36
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h3sp4wncpk1: or /etc/event.d12:37
h3sp4wncpk1: (I only know sysv style)12:37
willcpk1: I somehow moved my home folder from /home/will to /media/sda5/will and apperently the files lost all but their names in the process12:37
alex_h3sp4wn and cpk1: http://www.geocities.com/stomljen/readme.html12:37
alex_it says /etc/init.d/boot.local12:37
intelikeyso nobody knows a way to view inode creation time, or if it's even possable ?12:37
cpk1hrmm I was having trouble getting a simple line in for loading my iptables on boot, and I had no clue why it wasnt working in rc.local or in rc2.d12:38
h3sp4wnalex_: that might be on fedora or redhat12:38
h3sp4wncpk1: put it in /etc/network/interfaces using a pre-up or post-up12:38
h3sp4wncpk1: (that can be script if you want)12:38
willI somehow moved my home folder from /home/will to /media/sda5/will and apperently the files lost all but their names in the process.  anyone know what may have happened and if there is any chance of recovery?12:39
h3sp4wncpk1: makes as much sense to have that run when the interface goes up as any other way to me12:39
luca_bintelikey: there should be a way to read a ctime12:39
intelikeyyeah but how ?12:39
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h3sp4wnfind -ctime12:40
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cpk1h3sp4wn: this is all it is /sbin/iptables-restore /etc/network/iptables.rules do I need to add a #!/bin/sh too if I put it in interfaces? I am not very good with this stuff12:40
alex_LOL, it was rc.local after all12:40
alex_THANKS dudes12:40
alex_ahhhh, nice and crisp native resolution12:40
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intelikeyh3sp4wn but for unknown time how will you use that ?12:41
luca_bintelikey: Do you know which inode is it?12:41
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luca_bintelikey: because apparently there is the "debugfs" utlity12:41
intelikeyi know the c time should be within the last 4 weeks12:41
willanyone know how to search all hard drives for a file from the command prompt12:41
h3sp4wncpk1: pre-up /sbin/iptables-restore /etc/network/iptables.rules12:41
luca_bthat once started, you can get information with a specific inode12:42
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luca_busing stat <inode number> inside debugfs12:42
jmichaelxto install a .deb package, does one just enter 'dpkg packagename.deb'?12:42
h3sp4wnjmichaelx: dpkg -i12:42
jmichaelxahh, ok ty12:42
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Sannejmichaelx: dpkg -i package (see 'man dpkg' for all the options)12:43
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h3sp4wncpk1: (last line under iface eth0 or whatever would work)12:43
luca_bintelikey: you're checking a specific file?12:43
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rasenganhello everyone12:43
intelikeyluca_b looking for a way to identify all files newer than blah12:44
ubotuSee http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)12:44
cpk1h3sp4wn: alright thanks, rebooting to see if it works12:44
luca_bintelikey: ls -il shows inodes associated to files12:44
luca_band dirs12:44
cpk1actually i cant reboot because the other machine connected to this is in the middle of a download12:44
intelikeyluca_b checking.12:44
luca_bintelikey: but you want to use creation file and not modification file, right?12:45
cpk1h3sp4wn: I will check it when I get the chance =P12:45
luca_bintelikey: ls -lc (-c = sort by ctime)12:45
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luca_bintelikey:  actually ls -lct12:45
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intelikeyluca_b ls -l lists a timestamp but it's not when the file was created on this fs.  it's when it was first made.  i need a way to check when it was downloaded    backing incrementally  /var/cache/apt/archives/*   i dont want to re-burn all three cd's   just a few houndred meg on one cd that i don't have archived  so i can carry it to a non-networked box.12:47
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luca_bintelikey: I just found this - http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part3/section-1.html12:48
intelikeyls -l* doesn't work.12:48
intelikeylooking at that url now12:48
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luca_bintelikey: it basically says you can't get the creation time12:48
luca_bintelikey: only the last change time12:48
musyais it possible to get drivers for my keyboard and mouse?12:49
luca_bmusya: depends, you mean extra buttons?12:49
musyathey just freeze up at times12:49
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intelikeybut i have files in there that the date is 2004  and the fs is not that old.12:49
SYS0110i wanna use multi lanugae on gnome12:49
musyaluca_b: no they freeze up on me at times12:49
musyai dont know why?12:49
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luca_bmusya: What motherboard model do you have?12:50
musyacould it be my vidoe card?12:50
musyaim running my monitor through my motherboard12:50
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Minatakuintelikey: Do this12:50
Minatakutouch all the files12:50
musyais there a way too check in terminal12:50
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MinatakuThen make a base backup with them12:50
SYS0110i wanna use multi lanugae on gnome12:50
MinatakuAfter that, only backup files that change12:50
SYS0110i wanna use multi language on gnome12:51
luca_bintelikey: stat is the other command you can check to see everything about a file12:51
luca_bmusya: Depends, what's the make and model of your MB?12:51
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intelikeyMinataku good idea  so if i have older files i'll know they are actually newer.12:51
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luca_bmusya: some have BIOSes that are far from perfect12:51
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MinatakuSYS0110: Please stop asking and wait patiently for an answer.12:51
slyfoxAnyone uses Kopete to connect to google ?12:51
dementeHi all, I was wondering if it's possible to change the splash screen of amarok.12:51
luca_bslyfox: Tried once, didn't work too well, so I gave up12:51
MinatakuYou're not the king of the universe, we don't have to drop everything to help you12:51
intelikeySYS0110 also #ubuntu is the channel for gnome support.12:52
SYS0110well iam waiting, i dint mean to spamm12:52
dementeI'm the king of the universe.12:52
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto12:52
dementeI have a badge that says so.12:52
slyfoxluca_b: yeah, because I can connect only rarely12:52
slyfoxluca_b: alternatives ?12:52
MinatakuSYS0110: It's okay, just calm down12:52
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MinatakuIf nobody answers they're either busy or don't know12:52
luca_bslyfox: Any jabber client is fine, or do you want voice support?12:52
musyamy computer is pretty old its running an AMD 1600+ and the motherboard cant take a faster proccessor12:53
dementeSo, yeah - Amarok splash screens, is it possible to change them? Cos other wise I figure I'm just wasting time.12:53
MinatakuAlso, intelikey is right, Ubuntu uses GNOME, Kubuntu uses KDE12:53
luca_bdemente: AFAICT, no12:53
intelikeystat doesn't even do wildcards  how lame is that.12:53
dementeluca_b: damn. : (12:53
luca_bmusya: do you remember which chipset does your motherboard use? VIA or nForce?12:53
musyahonestly i dont12:54
musyaits not in easy reach right now12:54
intelikeywell i have a work around for now.  thanks for all the effort and ToD guys.12:54
slyfoxluca_b: what otehr jabber clients? Voice would be great, but I sattled down with skype for voice.12:54
musyais there a driver i need? or is it just the motherboard?12:54
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luca_bslyfox: I use Psi, you can use Gaijim or anything of the sort... Gaim also works12:55
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luca_bmusya: I'm trying to figure that out. Open a terminal, type in "lspci" and paste the output on the pastebin (address on channel topic)12:55
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slyfoxluca_b: Psi, interesting, what is the website ?12:56
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luca_bslyfox: ubuntu has it in their repositories12:56
jordo23once I have nvidia's glx driver installed how do I change screen resolution>?12:56
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slyfoxluca_b: I will google and see if I can find it, I wonder how it looks12:57
musyathe mouse is freaking annoying as hell12:57
dementeluca_b: I prefered the previous one, before Fastforward.12:57
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dementeI use Ubuntu, but I always install a set of KDE apps because a lot of them are much better than the Gnome counterparts.12:58
slyfoxluca_b: actually I just followed this post: http://amazing-development.com/archives/2006/01/20/using-google-talk-with-kopete/   and all works12:58
h3sp4wnjordo23: specify it explicitly in xorg.conf or use xrandr (if you use 9xxx you need Option          "IncludeImplicitMetaModes" "False" in xorg.conf Section "Screen")12:59
dementeie, Amarok, Konversation, KTorrent, Kopete...12:59
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jmichaelxin my xlog, it gives this error 'GLX is not supported with the Composite extension'. could someone tell me what this might be so that i can get accelerated 3D working again?12:59
luca_bslyfox: just a matter of apt-getting, anyway, I'll give you the page in a sec12:59
luca_bslyfox: http://psi.affinix.com/12:59
luca_bjordo23: drop to a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and follow through the steps. Make sure to select "nvidia" as driver12:59
luca_bjordo23: then pick the resolutions you want to support. The highest one will be the one used first12:59
luca_bmusya: looking at it12:59
rEvolution27how do i disable multiple desktops?12:59
luca_bmusya: ok, your MB uses a VIA chipset12:59
luca_bmusya: do the lock ups happen when you access disk heavily?01:00
musyanope random times01:00
luca_bjmichaelx: ATI or NVIDIA video card?01:00
intelikeyrEvolution27 set the number of desktops to 101:00
musyasometimes when heavily accessed yea01:00
dementerEvolution27: why not just... not use them?01:00
jmichaelxluca_b: nvidia01:00
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slyfoxluca_b: thanks. But kopete looks nicer.01:00
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luca_bmusya: just for checks, paste me the output of "sudo hdparm /dev/hda"01:00
dementekopete is the sex.01:00
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rEvolution27i'm using beryl demente01:01
ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects01:01
intelikeysee the channel ^01:01
rEvolution27no not the beryl01:01
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rEvolution27i want to disable the multiple desktop applet on the taskbar01:02
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intelikeyremove it from the taskbar01:02
intelikeyright click01:02
rEvolution27oh nvm01:02
rEvolution27sigh i'm so stupid sometimes01:03
intelikeyno argument form me on that.....  :)01:03
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luca_bslyfox: you're right, that howto worked, thanks01:03
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luca_bmusya: address incomplete, shouldn't there be a number after the URL?01:04
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slyfoxluca_b: if an error occurs, just press continue and that is it01:04
musyasorry it showed me an error01:04
musyathat will wokr01:05
luca_bmusya: found it01:05
luca_bmusya: DMA enabled, so that rules it out01:05
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musyawhat DMA anyway?01:05
luca_bmusya: DIrect Memory Access, basically a way to speed up disk access01:05
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats01:05
ubotu(Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash01:05
musyaso any idea?01:05
luca_bmusya: slow operation with disk access means it's disabled01:05
luca_bmusya: I'll check something, hold on01:06
jordo23What's the package and repository for Flash 901:06
MinatakuUgh... someone replace the !flash pointer01:06
ubotuFlash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash01:06
MinatakuThat's so stupid, the end-user doesn't have a choice to use Flash or not01:06
MinatakuIt should NOT be linked to !multimedia01:06
jordo23intelikey: thanks01:06
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intelikeyMinataku ?01:06
musyaluca_b: ok01:07
luca_bmusya: one last paste... dmesg | tail01:07
Minataku!flash is !flash901:07
MinatakuWhat the crap01:07
h3sp4wnThe end user does hava a choice (I don't use flash at all)01:07
intelikeyMinataku i choose to NOT use flash...   what are you on about ?01:07
MinatakuWhy not? You miss out without Flash01:07
luca_bmusya: and a question, USB mouse or PS2?01:08
intelikeyi haven't missed a thing.01:08
h3sp4wnI have missed out on loads of useless adds01:08
luca_bMinataku: IMO flash is one of the worst "technologies" ever made for web01:08
SkyblastYeah, you miss out on great stuff like animated ads, and youtube. ;)01:08
luca_bMinataku: it's also vendor-locked01:08
MinatakuI use adblock01:08
musyamy monitor has slow reactions too i noticed it drags the screens when you move it around01:08
luca_bmusya: uh oh01:09
musyathe keyboard is ps2 but mouse is usb01:09
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SkyblastI have played with the final version of flash 9 a lot lately01:09
luca_bmusya: [17195695.516000]  hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }01:09
SkyblastIt is still not very good01:09
jordo23What's the package name for flash9 in backports?01:09
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luca_bmusya: You may have a failing drive here01:09
MinatakuSkyblast: It's better than the lame Flash 7 player01:09
SkyblastYeah definitely01:09
Skyblastbut it still craps out firefox once in a while01:09
MinatakuWhich desynched at the drop of a hat01:09
luca_bmusya: I think the errors are caused by the drive01:09
parentsjust installed a new nvidia card with a tv out... does anyone know how to get the tv out to work?01:09
MinatakuMy only issues were FLV players crapping01:09
h3sp4wnjordo23: flashplugin-nonfree01:09
MinatakuAnd that was usually once per video if at all01:10
luca_bmusya: they are DMA errors, I'd suggest you back up your data01:10
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MinatakuOh, yeah, 0x84 is BAD01:10
Minatakumusya: Backup your data ASAP01:10
musyawhats that mean exactly? can you kinda hold my hand here for a bit?01:10
MinatakuThis is not a drill01:10
Minatakumusya: Forget what it means01:10
MinatakuWe'll talk later01:10
MinatakuRight now, back up that data01:11
musyaok ill back up 1 sec01:11
intelikey0x84 is an address.   hdd  or hde   i don't recall which01:11
Minatakuintelikey: Negative01:11
musyaanybody know of a good ftp gui01:11
Minataku[17195695.516000]  hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } <<01:11
MinatakuScrew GUI FTP clients01:11
luca_bmusya: Sorry, can't help you here, I use command line FTP tools01:11
MinatakuJust use ncftp01:11
ubotuncftp: A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.1.9-1 (edgy), package size 441 kB, installed size 1020 kB01:11
luca_bMinataku: agreed01:11
musyaok ill ftp it luckly its only code so01:11
h3sp4wnI use ncftp but only because I have always have lftp is supposed to be better01:11
luca_bmusya: your HD is old?01:12
tsdgeosbtw you know ftp is helluva unsercure, right01:12
luca_btsdgeos: you mean plaintext passwords?01:12
Minataku"DriveStatusError BadCRC" means the drive is failing consistency checks01:12
tsdgeosluca_b: that's ti01:12
MinatakuThe data that's supposed to be there isn't there01:12
MinatakuAnd the checksums don't match01:12
musyayea its old01:12
Minatakumusya: Yeah, get on backing it up ASAP01:12
luca_btsdgeos: I usually use sftp or scp, but I fall back to FTP in some cases01:12
musyaabout 7 years01:12
Phlostenmusya: kasablanca is a great ftp client01:13
musyaill back it up right now01:13
luca_bmusya: an HD operative life is about 10 years, I think yours is getting close to dying01:13
MinatakuIt IS dying01:13
SkyblastHas anyone tried the beryl 0.2.0 RC1 yet?01:13
luca_bSkyblast: I did01:13
musyagood thing i asked i would be pissed finals are around the corner01:13
SkyblastHow's it coming along?01:13
luca_bSkyblast: DON'T use it if you use XGL01:13
jmichaelxfinals in february?01:13
luca_bSkyblast: beryl-xgl segfaults01:13
SkyblastAt the moment, I have no beryl setup. I haven't put it back on since I reloaded my Kubuntu install a month or so ago01:14
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luca_bSkyblast: on my other box, with a NVIDIA card and AIGLX, goes around well01:14
h3sp4wnSkyblast: all I know about beryl 0.2.0 RC1 is it had packaging problems RC2 was supposed to fix them01:14
jmichaelxi had beryl working with xgl..... then i tried to switch to AIGLX, and all has been hell ever since01:14
h3sp4wnNVIDIA doesn't use AIGLX01:14
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MinatakuThat's lame... RCs should not get out with critical issues01:14
luca_bI think XGL is an ugly hack, but it's the only way to use Beryl on my laptop (ATI card)01:14
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MinatakuATI is an ugly hack01:14
MinatakuHopefully AMD turns them around01:15
MinatakuAMD is an F/OSS supporter01:15
h3sp4wn(either that or every nvidia drivers supports AIGLX)01:15
jmichaelxh3sp4wn: it is a big debate, the docs tell you to use AIGLX with nvidia01:15
SkyblastI have an ATi card, but luckily mine is old enough then the radeon driver 3d support mostly works01:15
musyai got a hard drive - external. but i cant send files to it, it says permissions denied01:15
luca_bMinataku: sadly, yes, but I couldn't find a laptop with good NVIDIA graphics for my price range01:15
jmichaelxin my xlog, it gives this error 'GLX is not supported with the Composite extension'. could someone tell me what this might be so that i can get accelerated 3D working again?01:15
parentsjust installed a new nvidia card with a tv out... does anyone know how to get the tv out to work?01:15
hammer2hi all wireless trouble here NetGear WG511 and i have a log of whats been done so far pls take a look and tell me if ya can help me http://pastebin.ca/33930101:15
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luca_bjmichaelx: One second, I'll tell you how to fix the composite thing01:15
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jmichaelxluca_b: ty01:16
h3sp4wnjmichaelx: AIGLX is the part of xorg that deals with texture_from_pixmap - nvidia doesn't use that it uses its stuff (which is just a wrapper for the windows driver)01:16
luca_bjmichaelx: in the section "Device" where there is "Driver" "nvidia" etc etc01:16
glimmunghi all, can someone tell me, what am I supposed to do with an "apt source"?01:16
luca_bjmichaelx: add this01:16
SkyblastRight now my Kubuntu is using fglrx. I was seeing if there was any advantage of using it over the radeon driver. There isn't. In fact, fglrx makes some things more annoying for me01:16
luca_bjmichaelx: Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"01:16
jmichaelxluca_b: thanks a million01:17
parentsjust installed a new nvidia card with a tv out... does anyone know how to get the tv out to work?01:17
jmichaelxh3sp4wn: ty for the info01:17
musyaany idea on how to let it copy and paste?01:17
luca_bSkyblast: don't tell me.. radeon doesn't work well on the X600 I have and fglrx bombs in resuming from hibernate01:17
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glimmungim trying to install the latest amarok, but i dont understand the insturctions on this page, could someone explain them to me? http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.4.php01:18
h3sp4wnjmichaelx: fwiw you can use texture_from_pixmap on dapper (xorg 7) with nvidia's drivers (aiglx was not part of xorg then)01:18
SkyblastYeah, my friend has an X800 and he has all kinds of hell with it01:18
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h3sp4wn<= X850 should work with free drivers now01:18
luca_bh3sp4wn: They have some problems with detecting the right monitor setup, I just get a blank screen and a lock up01:19
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luca_bbut since I don't use fancy 3D desktops, I'm fine with it (minus with hibernation not working)01:20
alex_how do I add startup items?01:20
h3sp4wnluca_b: I tried have tried them with a 9800pro and a 9700pro mobility and they worked pretty well01:20
SYS0110i wanna use multi language on gnome(i mean switch between 2 languages)01:20
SYS0110i wanna use multi language on gnome(i mean switch between 2 languages)01:20
luca_bh3sp4wn: that's what it's inside my brother's VAIO, and in fact he can get hibernation even with fglrx01:20
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glimmungalex_: make a toolbar entry for the apps you want, then move them to ~/.kde/Autostart01:21
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musyaluca_b: so what was my exact error stating?01:21
luca_bmusya: as MInataku said01:21
luca_bmusya: data consistency checks were failing01:21
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musyawhat does that mean?01:21
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SkyblastI only have a 9800SE, so radeon works fine. Maybe later tonight I'll go back to my old config and try beryl with aiglx again01:22
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MinatakuMore than likely in this case the physical media of the drive was beginning to deteriorate01:22
stringahello...........how do i register kubuntu?01:22
musyais there a way to back up my whole system?01:22
Minatakustringa: Fill out the registration card and mail it in01:22
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h3sp4wnluca_b: I used suspend201:22
musyaso i dont have to reinstal everytihing on my new drive01:22
luca_bh3sp4wn: Never tried it01:22
musyastringa:  there is no registration01:22
luca_bmusya: do you remember if you made a separate /home partition?01:23
glimmungcan anyone explain to me if these instructions want me to use apt? http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.4.php01:23
SYS0110i wanna use multi language on gnome(i mean switch between 2 languages)01:23
SYS0110i wanna use multi language on gnome(i mean switch between 2 languages)01:23
stringai need gcc and when I run sudo apt-get install I always get 'E:\package not found'01:23
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musyaluca_b: dont think so i did an automatic partition01:23
MinatakuSYS0110: Please ask in #ubuntu01:23
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tsdgeosstringa: apt-get install gcc ;-)01:23
MinatakuThis channel is for the Ubuntu variant Kubuntu which utilizes KDE01:23
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luca_bmusya: then you want to back up everything in /home/<username> where username is your actual user name01:23
MinatakuIndeed, everything else can be reinstalled01:24
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tsdgeosstringa: other than that maybe your sources.list sucks and you don't have things there01:24
glimmungcan anyone tell me what do I do with an "apt source"?01:24
stringahow do i fix that one01:24
luca_bmusya: Suggestion when you reinstall - make up a separate /home partition, it's great when you screw up your system, because user data stays safe01:24
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SkyblastOh! While I'm thinking about it... does anyone know why MPlayer's icon is all scrambled down in the taskbar area as well as the title bar? This happens in any desktop environment I try on (X)(K)Ubuntu01:25
luca_bAs a matter of fact, I am puzzled that *buntu doesn't use that as default when installing (at least in alternate mode, I never use the liveCD)01:25
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musyaluca_b: what do you mean screw up my system? you mean i ruiend my drive?01:25
luca_bmusya: no no no, I was talking about the future01:25
luca_bmusya: next time you install linux01:26
Skyblastyeah a seperate /home and /boot will save you a lot of trouble sometime01:26
musyaill look at some barbone kits?01:26
musyawhat is the system recs for kubuntu?01:26
musyaor ubuntu?01:26
luca_bSkyblast: as long as /boot is large enough, I recall making one too lilttle and with 2 kernels it filled up... intrd generation failed and it was a pain to fix01:27
MinatakuSet aside 256MB for /boot01:27
glimmungcan anyone tell me what do I do with an "apt source"?01:27
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MinatakuThat should provide for several kernels+initrds01:27
luca_bglimmung: they're meant to be added to the /etc/apt/sources.list file01:27
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parentsjust installed a new nvidia card with a tv out... does anyone know how to get the tv out to work?01:28
MinatakuYou always want more than one01:28
Skyblastparents: have you tried using the binary drivers?01:28
musyaman, i cant ftp01:28
MinatakuEspecially when upgrading, you want the last working one in case the new one fails01:28
musyai just did ftp host01:28
parentsthe nvidia drivers are installed01:29
luca_bMinataku: usually I keep 3, latest + 2 older ones01:29
musyaand then i do put /home/michae/cs161.zip01:29
musyaand it says no such file?01:29
parentsbut i get no signal to the tv.. only during boot.. then when i get to the login, it goes black01:29
Minatakuluca_b: True01:29
MinatakuWhich is why I said 256MB01:29
Skyblastparents: Maybe this will be helpful? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut01:30
stringaHow come Adept Manager doesn't recognize my wireless card?       is that normal?01:30
ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository01:31
intelikey200m+ for boot ?   a kernel + initrd.img takes up about 6m01:31
luca_bstringa: depends on the wireless card, remember the make and model?01:31
Minatakuintelikey: I don't use an initrd so I erred on the side of caution01:32
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MinatakuI can stuff about 6 or 7 kernels into 50MB01:32
stringagateway laptop...........i'm online chatting to you with it right now01:32
MinatakuI assumed that the Kubuntu initrd which is stuffed with every boot-critical module would be pretty big01:32
intelikeyMinataku sure.   so 5 X that is kinda  PLENTY  but safe doesn't hurt as bad as sorry.01:33
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luca_bstringa: any chance to find the model?01:33
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luca_bstringa: of the laptop I mean01:33
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smaggardwell i got my sftp jail but now my webdirs in the /home folder says access forbidden.. hmmm01:34
goodthingare there any plans in changing the standard icons with feisty?01:34
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intelikeywow  mount /cdrom  closed the tray to mount it... i don't guess i'd ever tried that before.01:34
goodthinginto tango would make it much more attractive than crystal01:35
luca_bstringa: it is an intel-based chipset apparently01:36
luca_bstringa: should be supported on linux01:36
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luca_bstringa: you should try and issue a "sudo modprobe ipw2200" and see what happens01:36
intelikeyhmmm doesn't always work...   mount /disks/cdrom01:36
intelikeyMountainman: No medium found01:36
luca_b(in console, of course)01:36
coachI want to add Kubuntu to my Sabayon linux install (dual boot) can someonr point me to some documentation that might help?01:37
intelikeybut nick: completion always seems to work when you don't want it too....01:38
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jmichaelxh3sp4wn: i am not trying to say this is a good thing, but i have beryl working with AIGLX....01:40
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jmichaelxwith an older nVidia card01:41
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coachberyl works with PClinuxOs and Sabayon out of the box01:42
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h3sp4wnjmichaelx: aiglx doesn't support nvidia cards01:43
intelikeyand k3b makes me the prettiest coasters you ever did see.............01:43
jmichaelxh3sp4wn: are you just saying that even if you can run aiglx with an nvidia card, you shouldn't?01:44
h3sp4wnjmichaelx: grep -i aiglx /var/log/Xorg.0.log (will return nothing with nvidia)01:44
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h3sp4wnjmichaelx: If you are running aiglx then you will get something similar to |AIGLX enabled|| or so01:44
h3sp4wntexture_from_pixmap is not aiglx01:45
jmichaelxh3sp4wn: ok... i entered that command and got nothing..... i wonder how in the  world beryl is running then?? i do not have xgl installed01:45
intelikey!beryl | go here for help with01:46
ubotugo here for help with: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects01:46
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h3sp4wnjmichaelx: its using texture_from_pixmap but that can be implimented either by the nvidia driver or AIGLX01:47
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jmichaelxintelikey: sorry about all of the banter about beryl.....   i am just confused about this01:47
h3sp4wnjmichaelx: With the newest NVIDIA drivers, the OpenGL calls are supported in the driver itself, with no need for X.org (version 7 and newer) to provide the indirect rendering facility.01:47
jmichaelxh3sp4wn: that is fascinating but confusing lol01:47
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jmichaelxi see01:47
h3sp4wnjmichaelx: (that is from the aiglx wikipedia article)01:48
anaryin'night everyone01:48
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jmichaelxi am using the nvidia-glx-legacy driver.... the newest... which is not even right for my card, but the right one is not in the repos...01:48
ninHerhi all01:49
anaryinI'm having a little problem installing/getting to work a webcam from lifetech... anyone can give me a hand? thanks!01:49
jmichaelxberyl is working well, but slightly sluggish01:49
krupscore 2 duo decent on ubuntu?  or should i stick to amd64.  if going intel, what packages do i use?01:49
intelikey!webcam | anaryin01:50
ubotuanaryin: webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras01:50
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musyaok i got it backed up now what?01:50
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anaryinthanks :)01:51
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intelikeyok someone remind me, is there a way to force kde "mainly konqueror"  to never use a "trash" ?01:56
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Sanneintelikey: shift-delete (by default) when deleting files, I think.01:57
awilcoxHow do I get the default control back?01:57
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musyacan you use kubuntu on pentium d? its 64 bit? or does 64 have to be just amd?01:58
awilcoxmusya there is an IA64 version01:58
awilcoxSorry, I need to ask better.01:58
musyawell can i use the amd64 install on intel?01:58
awilcoxWhere can I change my network information e.g. IP address, gateway, etc... on the KDE Control Center?01:58
intelikeySanne ok   that works for a one shot deal.  but that's not an affective cure...01:59
goodthingmusya: you can put any of i386 or amd64 on that01:59
awilcoxI changed from the default settings handler (I don't remember what it is called) and instead use the KDE Control Center, and can't find a Network Settings.01:59
jmichaelxintelikey: i don't remember how, but you can also add 'delete' to your menu, and you can even shut the whole trash business off... you would have to poke around01:59
musyabecause  i only see x86 for intel01:59
alex_musya: it works for both AMD64 and EM64T01:59
musyaso amd64 install will work on intel?01:59
Sanneintelikey: well, I just swapped the keyboard shortcuts for konqui, other than that, I don't know. Reminds me to look into the trash if something's in it...01:59
awilcoxI am on Linux.02:00
intelikeyjmichaelx yeah got that.  but that still doesn't "prevent" the use of trash cans02:00
goodthingmusya: yeah, but that is just because of the past and how everybody got to know of it02:00
awilcoxI mean, I am on Dapper.02:00
musyaok thanks, you think intel or amd is better for linux?02:00
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intelikeySanne k   ty02:00
goodthingmusya: currently with core 2 duo it's intel taking the lead02:00
musyabut just like and 64 3700 or pentium d?02:01
musyagoodthing: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=722255&Tab=2&NoMapp=002:02
awilcoxOlder AMDs were terrible, but anything >= Athlon is probably better than Intel02:02
musyawht do you tink about that?02:02
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specialbuddyhow do I get my task bar back?02:03
goodthingmusya: depends, you can buy budget or go sky high in performence. But the model is good en performce better than other desktop cpu's currently...02:03
weedarSo the remote desktop connection isn't vnc compatible?02:03
weedarWhat do I need to download? :)02:03
Sanneintelikey: well, my ~/.local/share/Trash is empty, so for me my method seems to work fine.02:03
awilcoxspecialbuddy: Is there a button that looks like "<" on the very bottom-right of your screen?02:03
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specialbuddyawilcox I did xkill on it by accident02:04
specialbuddyso it's gone02:04
marco_someone speak spanish?02:04
awilcoxspecialbuddy oh, you can restart KDE02:04
awilcox!es | marco_02:04
ubotumarco_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.02:04
jordo23!java | jordo2302:04
ubotujordo23: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository02:04
specialbuddythat will bring it back02:04
awilcoxspecialbuddy I believe so, it should02:04
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specialbuddygoing to try that02:04
awilcoxSo how do I change my gateway IP using Kubuntu?  I don't care if it is through shell or GUI, I just need it changed now while I am still connected to IRC :x02:05
goodthingmusya: intel vs amd for linux, well, i think that does not really matter. But that might change when you look at the chipsets which come with them, and to be honest i don't know much about that.02:05
smaggardi believe its /etc/network/interfaces02:06
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smaggardits static right?02:06
awilcoxmusya: I find Intel and nForce chipsets easiest02:06
awilcoxsmaggard: yes static IP02:06
awilcoxso I change in there and reboot?  or just /etc/init.d/networking restart?02:07
intelikeyi think i got it.   as per howto prevent the use of trash: rm -fr ~/.trash ;touch ~/.trach  # seems to work if i'm not missing something.02:07
intelikeys/trash/local/g ^02:07
Sanneintelikey: ah, interesting02:07
awilcoxsmaggard: so I change in there and reboot?  or just /etc/init.d/networking restart?02:08
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smaggardu can do the networking restart and its the same as rebooting02:09
specialbuddyhow can I make it so that the wireless comes up without a pass?02:09
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smaggardcomes up without a pass .. hmm02:09
specialbuddydo I have to add my name to that group if I want to use it without a pass02:10
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smaggardiunno.. hm02:10
underdog5004I've been streaming mp3's from my server for a while now, but when I tried to do it today, I got this message (and it's for all media, not just streamed, nor mp3's): No Plugin found to handly this resource.02:11
underdog5004a killall kaffeine doesn't work, rebooting doesn't work, and logging out/in doesn't work02:12
underdog5004actually, they all "work", but none solve my problem.02:12
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coachI need to learn how to boot sabayon linux with Kubuntu, anyone know a source of info?02:13
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h3sp4wnjust use the chainloader method (2 copies of grub would be easiest)02:14
christopherwhat should I do if dis-upgrade reports a broken package02:14
coachh3sp4wn: just google chainloader?02:14
underdog5004coach, just google dual-boot02:15
underdog5004coach, grup is a chainloader02:15
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h3sp4wndon't install grub to the mbr (to the root partition instead) then chainloader it in the same way as the menu.lst example for windows02:16
underdog5004ok, never mind, looks like it is just a specific folder on my server...bummer02:16
coachbasicly I am just going to install Kubuntu of free space then add it to grub, correct02:16
intelikeycoach if you don't need to change the kernel just pivot_root into it.02:16
coachover my head02:17
specialbuddydoes anyone know how to get wireless assistant to work without entering a password, or any other program that is better than this one02:17
intelikeyspecialbuddy have init start it for you.02:18
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coachh3sp4wn: I already have sabayon installed, using Grub do I nee to install Grub again?02:20
h3sp4wncoach: Don't need to but it is easier to do so02:20
intelikeyalternately you could add that command to the sudoers file    whoever ALL NOPASSWD :/path/filename   # just an example.02:21
jordo23Anyone ever install Teamspeak?02:21
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NightBirddoes anyone know why on my system, the sound sometimes works and sometimes doesn't?02:22
coachh3sp4wn: I guess I'll just have to jump in, this is my expermintal HD anyway02:22
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smaggardyay got it!!\bye02:25
smaggardgettin the pizza :D02:25
draikHow do I get k3b to burn the hidden files?02:25
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draikI want to backup everything in my /home/user/* and got only the few files that are there and NOT hidden02:25
draikI want to burn everything to a DVD02:26
leafwanyone on a thinkpad? How can one disable bluetooth, infrared, and the USB system, dynamically when switching to battery mode?02:26
draikIn total, I have 3.3 GB in /home/user/*02:26
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leafwfor thinkpad owners: is acpi or apm recommended? Looks like *both* are available02:26
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h3sp4wnleafw: If acpi is working correctly use acpi02:27
leafwh3sp4wn : if I select from a menu "suspend", the laptop suspends; if I close the lid, it fails. It's all mamagd by acpi, I think.02:27
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leafwand suspending takes for ever, like, 15 to 30 seconds02:27
h3sp4wnI would use suspend202:28
draikleafw: How does Kubuntu look/function on a Thinkpad? I have been wanting to get one, but not sure yet. What is your opinion?02:28
goodthingdraik: go in k3b to the home folder and right click in the files section, choose picture (translated, might be different in eng), show hidden files (add same note here).02:29
leafwdraik : kubuntu looks and works just fine on the thinkpad02:29
leafwthe only problem is the long suspend times02:29
draikThank you goodthing02:29
draikleafw: I would use it for my messaging and such. I leave it on for extended periods of time.02:30
leafweven beryl/xgl works (byt xgl is buggy, grows in memory usage over time)02:30
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leafwdraik : I am a former owner of a powerbook for the last 4 years. I never rebooted my machine (like, once every 6 months or so, by a software update requirement)02:30
leafwso this inability to sleep/resume fast and reliably is very annoying for my style02:31
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leafwnow I have reliable suspend (at last) by disabling powernowd (the freq scaling daemon) before suspending, in a script.02:31
draikleafw: That is understandable. Unfortunately, I don't have an answer for you. I hope you find what you are looking for and are able to get the results you are looking for.\02:32
leafwdraik : in the thinkwiki pages there is a lot of help and info, check them out02:32
jordo23Where do you setup a microphone with Kubuntu?02:32
alex_did anyone have any trouble with intel pro wireless? mine wasn't detected during setup02:32
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leafwdraik: it is unfortunate that suspend and battery usage time is so pitifull under linux, compared to osx or even M$02:33
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jarnHow do I mount a filesystem so that users can read it?02:34
jarnIt has the users flag in fstab but I still can't read it.02:34
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jarnIt's an ntfs filesystem.02:34
Hobbsee!away | jarn02:34
ubotujarn: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines02:34
jarnOh, I'm sorry.02:35
MinatakuOh, come on, that's just asinine02:35
Hobbseejarn: sudo chown user.user /mnt/windows - change where it's mounted, and your username02:35
Hobbseejarn: no problem :)02:35
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MinatakuHobbsee: It's user:group02:35
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jarnHobbsee: Should I chown it before or after I mount it?02:36
AxlRoseI need some help with the mplayer firefox plug in02:36
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AxlRoseI'm tryin to watch some trailers on Yahoo, and  I can only hear sound but no picture02:36
HobbseeMinataku: that is true.  however, seeing as the group tends to be the user too...02:36
MinatakuSince when?02:36
Hobbseejarn: either.  probably before02:36
MinatakuIs that an Ubuntu thing?02:36
AxlRoseit says Mplayer Plugin, and it shows where the streaming is coming from02:37
HobbseeMinataku: unlikely02:37
jarnHobbsee: I still get permission denied.02:37
MinatakuAll my stuff is ed:users02:37
Hobbseejarn: hrm02:37
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linuxfanstarhow do i configure wifi in kubuntu02:42
HymnToLife!wireless | linuxfanstar02:43
ubotulinuxfanstar: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs02:43
specialbuddywhat's a good way of setting up the programs that run during startup02:43
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draik goodthing, Do I want to "Follow link now" or "Add symbolic link to project"?02:44
linuxfanstarthese documents are mostly for gnome02:45
linuxfanstari know how to set it up in ubuntu02:46
linuxfanstarsystem, admin, networking02:46
linuxfanstarbut that menu is not in kubuntu02:46
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linuxfanstarhello can someone help me plz?02:52
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draikspecialbuddy: Add a link/shortcut to /home/username/.kde/Autostart/(app-link/shortcut)02:55
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fooHow do I select the clock to not be in 24 hour format?02:57
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goodthingdraik, well, add link will probably add the linked files, which i assume is not what you'd want. So i would /try/ the first option, but this is new for me too...02:58
draikgoodthing: Ok. I will go with Follow link. Thank you for your assistance02:58
goodthingin that i never burned hidden folders in /home02:58
alex_does anyone have Intel 3945ABG wireless?02:59
alex_mine was detected during installation, but wasn't setup02:59
alex_how do I setup it up?02:59
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jarnWhat package is the equivalent of gtk-devel?03:01
underdog5004alex, I'd like to help you. Hold on whilst I google around.03:01
jarnSomething I'm trying to compile to needs it and it's not in the repository.03:01
jarnDoes it just have a different name now or do I need to enable a new repository.03:02
alex_ok, but google wasn't much of a friend this time03:02
underdog5004http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ <== looks pretty good!03:02
alex_in fact, I found that someone with the same laptop as mine had it working "out of the box"03:02
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underdog5004alex_, check out this site...   http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/03:03
alex_and how do I install it?03:05
underdog5004alex_, lol, gimme a sec03:05
underdog5004readme: http://downloadmirror.intel.com/df-support/10315/ENG/Install_and_Support_Notes.txt03:06
underdog5004look good, alex_ ?03:07
specialbuddyhow do I set up programs to run at start up03:08
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alex_underdog5004: not really, I was hoping it would come with the distribution03:08
alex_underdog5004: or work out of the box03:08
underdog5004alex_, you're gonna have to get your hands dirty eventually...I'll walk you through it.03:08
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alex_underdog5004: alright, so I need to get something else first according to the read me correct?03:09
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underdog5004nope, just go to the first link, I think03:10
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underdog5004wait a sec, getting a better link03:11
underdog5004just click that to download the driver03:11
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alex_now what?03:12
alex_it says I need to go and get some subsystem03:12
underdog5004lol, downloading now...03:12
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Minatakualex_: If it says something you don't understand, it's usually a good idea to tell us the whole thing03:13
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glinhi people03:13
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alex_First, we build and install the ieee80211 subsystem.  You can obtain03:14
alex_the latest ieee80211 subsystem from http://ieee80211.sf.net.03:14
alex_looks clear to me... I guess I should download it03:14
MinatakuGo for it03:15
underdog5004alex_, I'm having trouble extracting the file...sorry. Hold on.03:16
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alex_underdog5004: me too, it doesn't seem to work03:17
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alex_underdog5004: I am using the one from SF.net03:17
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alex_so far so good, "subsystem" is done with... moving on to the driver03:18
alex_wish me luck03:18
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underdog5004d'l'ing the sf one now...03:19
alex_I am getting errors03:20
underdog5004pastebin | alex_03:20
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)03:20
specialbuddyhas anyone here got mtpdude to work with kubuntu03:21
alex_underdog5004: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4054/03:21
alex_that's after executing make in the driver directory03:22
underdog5004alex_, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-246655.html03:22
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underdog5004he's got the same problem...not sure if it gets solved yet.03:22
alex_omg I can't believe this.... the suggestion is a full re-install03:23
underdog5004we can make it work...patience03:23
underdog5004he was on dapper, not edgy..03:23
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MinatakuYeah, relax03:24
MinatakuThere's always a way to fix things in Linux03:25
MinatakuThis isn't Windows anymore :D03:25
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alex_well it says to do sudo make uninstall03:27
alex_I tried that, not sure if that did anything03:27
underdog5004alex_, there, at the bottom, when robinsingn  pops in, he gives the solution.03:27
underdog5004sudo make uninstallfrom within the tarball.03:27
underdog5004then he open synaptic, and installed the headers and image03:27
alex_underdog5004: yep03:27
alex_that's what I just did03:27
intelikeyis there any way to read the file list from an un-fixiated data cd ?03:27
alex_underdog5004: hang on03:28
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MinatakuYou actually read instructions and took initiative03:28
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MinatakuYou deserve that trophy :D03:28
alex_LOL oh please... "monkey see, monkey do"03:28
underdog5004that's what's at the heart of the linux community03:28
intelikeymonkeys ?03:28
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underdog5004I think people get scared from seeing things like ieee80211 and ipw394503:29
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Minatakualex_: Except most of the time it's "monkey see, monkey get confused and ask stupid questions about the instructions right in front of them"03:29
intelikeymonkeys are at the hart of the penguin community....03:29
jjessecan you setup kontact to access your google calendar?03:29
underdog5004alex_, is it working?03:29
Minataku"Do I click OK now?"03:29
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specialbuddyhas anyone here got mtp to work with kubuntu?03:29
Minataku"It's the only damn button in the box! YES! CLICK IT!"03:29
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intelikeyMinataku i'd say lol   but i'm laughing to hard to type it....03:30
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about mtp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:30
underdog5004specialbuddy, what is mtp?03:30
Minatakuintelikey: XD03:30
underdog5004alex_,  is your wireless working now?03:30
specialbuddymicrosoft transfer protocol or something like that03:30
specialbuddyit's for mp3 devices03:30
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alex_underdog5004: not yet, hang on03:30
specialbuddylike the iriver clix03:30
underdog5004oh...right, that's not subliminal at all...clix, clits, big difference03:31
MinatakuLike the Axe fragrance03:31
underdog5004specialbuddy, weird, never heard of a protocol for mp3 players03:31
MinatakuAxe Clix smells good03:31
underdog5004Minataku, exactly.03:31
MinatakuI have Axe Clix deoderant03:31
underdog5004specialbuddy, and you can't access it as a mass-storage device?03:32
MinatakuIt was the first stick I saw in the University convience store03:32
MinatakuTurned out to be a really good random purchase03:32
specialbuddynot very easily03:32
Minatakuspecialbuddy: I think Amarok can do that03:32
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intelikeyit's not often i record a one liner from irc  but that one ranked the list.   tty4 [greg@~]  cat monkey-C03:33
intelikeyin the kubuntu help channel most of the time it's "monkey see, monkey get confused and ask stupid questions"03:33
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Minatakuintelikey: Heehee ^^03:33
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MinatakuA friend of mine uses (I think it's) Amarok to send stuff to his MP3 player03:33
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underdog5004there's another one...can't think of it though...03:34
ubotuFor information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod03:34
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crazy_busHow do you download a .deb file from the ubuntu repo's to install on a computer without the internet (I need knetworkmanager) to get the internet working03:35
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alex_underdog5004: nope, I still can't get it to work03:37
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alex_I installed that netowkr manager, and yet the wireless assistant still doesn't see the controller03:38
cpk1crazy_bus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/03:38
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intelikeyyou can install it "and there by note the dependancies" then copy it from /var/cache/apt/archives crazy_bus03:38
cpk1crazy_bus: you will need to download the .deb of knetworkmanager and also all its dependencies if they arent already on the other computer03:38
intelikeyalong  with the deps.  ^03:38
crazy_buswhere is the download for the .deb here? http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/source/knetworkmanager03:39
N9NU-|-LinuxI switch from another distro and having trouble install with the GUI with Feisty Release 3. I am programmer and love to mess with code03:39
crazy_busall I can see is the sources03:39
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intelikeyor you can wget it.  but i'd still sujest the apt-get03:40
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cpk1crazy_bus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/kde/knetworkmanager03:40
cpk1crazy_bus: there is a clicky at the top of the page you are at for the link i gave you =)03:40
N9NU-|-Linuxits an AMD 64 4000 4GB nForce 4 mobo03:40
crazy_busthanks cpk103:41
cpk1crazy_bus: all the ones with a red circle you will need to make sure the computer you are installing this on has or you will need to download them too, it can start to get quite ugly though03:41
alex_underdog5004: lol, are you still there?03:42
cpk1crazy_bus: you shouldnt need knetworkmanager to use the internet03:42
crazy_busI want to access wireless internet off the livecd to demonstrate it.  And unfortunatly the wireless manager won't work03:42
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cpk1crazy_bus: use iwconfig03:43
cpk1thats the command line tool03:43
Theorycrazy_bus: if you know the network details wireless manager should work in non-dhcp mode03:44
crazy_busI have never setup wireless with iwconfig before.  All I know is the wireless assistant installed by default isn't working for me03:46
cpk1crazy_bus: you can start by doing "iwlist scan" that will show you all the networks then you can use iwconfig to put in the necessary options03:46
N9NU-|-Linuxanyohe have any howto or can point me to the right one03:47
Minatakuiwconfig is easy03:47
cpk1N9NU-|-Linux: there is an ncurses installer too03:47
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cpk1N9NU-|-Linux: its called the alternative installer03:47
crazy_bushow do you use iwconfig?  The network I'm trying to connect to has wpa-psk03:48
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N9NU-|-Linuxohhh.. so that will ge me the GUI boot/install03:48
cpk1N9NU-|-Linux: no, the alternative is the non gui03:49
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Minatakuncurses is TUI03:49
intelikeyhuston  we have a problem.03:49
MinatakuText User Interface03:49
MinatakuIt's a compromise between GUI and CLI03:50
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N9NU-|-Linuxso kubuntu doesnt have one like Mandriva then03:50
goodthingjust curious, how would a distro builder know what the license of an application should be?03:50
N9NU-|-Linuxthats ok...i definately live via CLI03:50
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intelikeyi've got a file i own  in my home dir that i'm editing and i can't save the changes.   so i switch consoles and chmod the thing 644   that should work right ?03:51
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goodthingis there any official wat in that?03:51
Minatakugoodthing: Ask the application developer or check the primary site03:51
MinatakuOr even just check the distribution tarball03:51
intelikeywrong!  so i chmod it as root    that should work right?03:51
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MinatakuThe license should be included or listed03:51
underdog5004alex_, I'm away.03:51
Minatakuintelikey: Yeah, it should03:51
alex_underdog5004: ok03:51
cpk1crazy_bus: hrmm I dont really have much experience with wpa or anything but you could try iwconfig wlan0 (or whatever interface) key passkeyhere although I think it might only take hexadigital03:52
intelikeywrong again.   even root can't chmod the thing.   it can't be +i i just copied it there from a cd....03:52
N9NU-|-Linuxguess i got spoiled with a fully graphic install03:52
N9NU-|-Linuxno prob03:52
Minatakusudo chmod 744 file03:52
MinatakuN9NU-|-Linux: TUI isn't bad03:52
intelikey-r--r--r-- 1 greg root 19491 Jan 17 01:04 Wed_Jan_17_2007.list03:52
MinatakuTry it03:52
cpk1crazy_bus: iwconfig eth0 key s:password like that actually for passkeys03:52
intelikeythat's the perms on it.03:52
N9NU-|-Linuxok will do03:52
Minatakuintelikey: So it's 44403:52
intelikeyno matter what i do.03:52
MinatakuChange it to 744, if that fails, something is wrong03:53
intelikeytty3 [greg@~]  chmod 666 Wed_Jan_17_2007.list03:53
intelikeytty3 [greg@~]  ls -l Wed_Jan_17_2007.list03:53
intelikey-rw-rw-rw- 1 greg root 19491 Jan 17 01:04 Wed_Jan_17_2007.list03:53
Minataku666 not good03:53
cpk1N9NU-|-Linux: keep in mind that fiesty is in alpha still so maybe you should think about letting them know there are problems with the graphical isntaller03:53
intelikeyi try to save and03:53
intelikey-r--r--r-- 1 greg root 19491 Jan 17 01:04 Wed_Jan_17_2007.list03:53
goodthingMinataku: yeah that was what i thought, but that does not make the move of novell proper when they list/make a GPL-ed program  LGPL. That IMO is, well, wrong.03:53
Minatakuintelikey: I guess it won't work then03:53
MinatakuKill the file03:53
N9NU-|-Linuxok... i live for cutting edge and i have several machines setup to compare distros03:54
crazy_busI typed sudo iwconfig ath0 key s:mypassword03:54
N9NU-|-Linuxits fun03:54
intelikeyheh.  yeah.  that's the first time i have ever seen an editor chmod a file......03:54
Minatakugoodthing: If it's their code they're entitled to relicense as they please... of course it's our right to fork from the last old license point03:54
Minatakuintelikey: It's probably locked03:54
crazy_busI typed that and it didn't come up with any errors.  But the internet still wont work03:54
goodthingMinataku: myeah but it's horrible, does not follow up with the normal ethics...03:55
MinatakuOf course it doesn't03:55
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intelikeyi just saved as filename+1 chmoded the origenal and tried to save as filename   still cant.03:56
intelikeytty3 [greg@~]  lsattr Wed_Jan_17_2007.list03:57
intelikey----------------- Wed_Jan_17_2007.list03:57
goodthingwell, makes me aware it's good i use kubuntu :)03:57
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intelikeyit's immutable but no +i bet set.03:57
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intelikeyMinataku locked by ?03:57
MinatakuThe editor03:58
intelikeyi closed the editor03:58
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intelikeyi just coppied the filename+1 over the filename and opened it agan and can save it.....03:59
Telrothcan someone help me with kernel booting problems? My system refused to boot after a hardware upgrade and even the lilvecd isn't loading. The kernel simiply hangs while booting up03:59
intelikeymakes no sense to me at all.03:59
Minatakuintelikey: Bizarre03:59
intelikeymonkey get confused and ask stupid questions.....03:59
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intelikeylook for man in big yellow hat....03:59
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MinatakuPoop in hat04:00
MinatakuAs monkeys are inclined to do04:00
intelikeyreferanced "curious george"04:00
MinatakuI know04:00
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MinatakuTelroth: Remove the new hardware if possible04:01
MinatakuReplace with old or leave out if possible04:02
MinatakuThen test booting04:02
Telrothnew hardware = new processor, motherboard, graphics card, and ram04:02
MinatakuTelroth: Is it passing POST?04:02
Telrothwindows boots fine04:02
Telrothso does knoppix 4.004:02
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MinatakuWhere does the kernel hang at?04:02
Telrothit's complaining about my cd drive being "confused"04:02
Telrothalmost instantly04:03
MinatakuCan you 10-finger dump the error?04:03
Telrothi'll try04:03
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crazy_busDoes  sudo iwconfig ath0 key s:mypassword automaticaly connect you?  Because I typed it but the internet still doesn't work in konqueror04:03
intelikeythat was more different than it was anything else...   but i got it changed finally.   i guess the editor was chmoding it back each time i'd try to save it....04:03
Telrothlinky to pastebin?04:03
Minatakucrazy_bus: Negative, it only puts in the key04:03
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Minatakuintelikey: Perhaps04:03
MinatakuTelroth: Yeah04:03
crazy_buswhat should I do next?04:03
Minatakucrazy_bus: Is it all set up properly?04:04
crazy_busI don't know.  I typed in that command and no errors came up04:04
MinatakuIf everything is set correctly, use ifconfig to bring the interface down then back up04:04
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crazy_buswhat do I do after running ifconfig?04:05
MinatakuIt should be working04:05
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crazy_busIt comes up with lots of details but the internet isn't working?04:06
Minatakucrazy_bus: ifconfig down ath004:07
Minatakuifconfig up ath004:07
MinatakuTry that04:07
crazy_busIt tells me ath0: Host name lookup failure04:07
MinatakuDamn... wait... maybe that means that wireless is connected04:07
Minatakudmesg | tail04:08
MinatakuTell me if it says "Connected [0001] "04:08
MinatakuOr summat04:08
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crazy_bushow do you do that line between dmesg and tail?04:08
crazy_busnever mind04:08
crazy_busit tells me:  ath0: no IPv6 routers present04:09
intelikeycrazy_bus that "line" is called "pipe"04:10
MinatakuI believe I am stumped, sorry, crazy_bus04:10
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crazy_busI'll just install knetwork manager then :)04:10
Minatakuintelikey: Just pull your damn pants up before you bend over again04:10
intelikeythat wasn't me...04:10
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MinatakuPlumber jokes XD04:11
MinatakuOld but still kinda funny04:11
MinatakuSorry X304:11
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the_hammerhi all04:11
the_hammerpls tell me theres alot of wireless users here04:11
the_hammerlol hammer time04:11
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MinatakuSorry, couldn't resist XD04:11
the_hammerits all good :)04:11
TelrothMinataku: http://pastebin.ca/33948004:12
Minatakuthe_hammer: So what's your wireless issue?04:12
thelineHI! Can anyone help with OO Print problem?04:12
the_hammeri reinstalled kubuntu 610 moments ago havbent ran apt-update and all that yet04:12
the_hammerlappy just sittin beside me while i take a breather before i kick it to mars04:12
TelrothMinataku, i ejected the cd so that it wouldn't scroll the screen while i was typing, however, if left in the drive, the hda/hdb errors along with the irq #50 errors simply repeat over and over about every 45 seconds04:13
the_hammeri got 2 internets on it high speed built in and of course the wonderfull headache wireless pcmia card04:13
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thelineCan anyone help with OO Print problem?04:14
MinatakuTelroth: Hm... you have a drive configuration issue I think04:14
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TelrothMinataku, how would I go about solving that? Both drives work fine in windows, but I know that doesn't help me or you much04:14
MinatakuThe reply to that... does that match your issue?04:14
MinatakuMixed SATA/PATA?04:15
TelrothMinataku, 1 sata harddrive, 1 pata harddrive, two pata dvd rom drives04:15
Telroththe dvd roms are on the promary controller04:15
Telrothpata harddrive is on secondary04:15
Telrothbrb, looking at link04:15
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Minatakuhttp://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-226277.html <<<<<< !!!04:16
MinatakuSee if that has anything04:16
MinatakuI read the first line of the first post (and that's all I read)04:16
MinatakuBut it was a likely match04:16
Telrothlet me disable sata enhanced mode :)04:16
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MinatakuYeah, that might be faster than upgrading the BIOS04:17
the_hammerno one can help me with my wireless eh?04:17
MinatakuWhich appears to be the solution of that second link XD04:17
Minatakuthe_hammer: Sorry, I was taking care of Telroth first04:17
Dr_willisthe_hammer,  after the disasters ive had with wireless... i advise using a HAMMER!04:17
intelikey!wifi | the_hammer04:17
ubotuthe_hammer: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs04:17
the_hammeri been through there and was lost04:18
Dr_willishad a windows box today.. wirelesswas working all day on it.. then Suddendly! it decided it dident want to connect/get the ip/dns any more...04:18
Dr_willisgot mad - so i crawled under the house and ran wires.04:18
MinatakuOh dear, that pastebin is a mess04:18
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MinatakuSorry, the_hammer, I can't use that input :(04:18
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thelineanyone know about openoffice print problems04:19
the_hammerwell im willing to try something else i reinstalled kubuntu as i said havent even ran any updates so its 100% fresh04:19
Minatakutheline: I'm banking that it's not OOo with the problem04:19
Minatakuthe_hammer: Perhaps that's why04:19
thelineall other aps print fine04:19
MinatakuWire it up and run the updates, perhaps your old installation used ndiswrapper04:20
thelineOO recognizes printer and prints test page from spadmin04:20
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Minatakutheline: Hm... weird04:20
dbglt_is there a way to record output from amarok/from the soundcard?04:20
the_hammeri plan to run the updates but thought id see if i can find solutions or help before i started cuz if not i think ill try again tomorrow or something04:20
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Minatakudbglt_: Good question04:21
intelikeydbglt_ yes.    and now get all your warez from
darthdualAnybody, What would you rather use; sun Java Plugin or GCJ Plugin?04:21
Minatakuintelikey: Hey now04:21
thelinePrint button says no link to printer... but preview recognizes my printer04:21
dbglt_intelikey: most amusing. My friend is performing on a stream, and I'd like to record it. Thank you for your rudeness.04:22
intelikeyyou're welcome.04:22
darthdualWhat' up Minataku, Not railing on Mac today huh?04:22
Minatakudbglt_: There might well be a way, but I don't know04:22
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intelikeyopen audacity and start recording....04:22
Minatakudarthdual: I did that earlier elsewhere04:22
dbglt_Minataku: I know there should be a way to pipe output from the soundcard04:23
dbglt_audacity uses oss, no?04:23
dbglt_using alsa here04:23
darthdualI thought you probably did.......hehe04:23
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MinatakuNever use just one04:23
dbglt_or else I can change applications04:23
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dbglt_I think vlc or xine-ui might support recording04:23
MinatakuI compile my kernels with ALSA + OSS Emulation Layer04:23
antibodyhi all...my NetworkManager doesn't come in the tray anymore ...04:23
intelikeyinstall sox and type in   man rec04:23
dbglt_Minataku: I'm using the supplied kubuntu kernel04:24
Minatakudbglt_: The fact that it uses ALSA only is a confounding mistake04:24
dbglt_I'm not sure it uses alsa only. I just assumed04:24
Minatakudbglt_: Look for /dev/dsp04:24
darthdualAnyone have any opinions on which java plugin is the best to use for minimal errors.04:25
MinatakuIf it exists, it's ALSA + ALSA_OSS04:25
Minatakudarthdual: Sun04:25
MinatakuGet it from the source04:25
darthdualWhat about GCJ, is that one any good?04:25
antibodyno help for me?04:25
dbglt_Minataku: the device is there, cheers :)04:25
Telrothdarthdual, the one from sun is best04:25
antibody_NetworkManagerDispatcher is the user daemon right?04:25
Minatakudbglt_: Good, Kubuntu isn't lame then04:25
Telrothdarthdual, apt-get install sun-java5-jdk04:25
darthdualcool, I fugured it was.04:26
Telrothdarthdual, make sure you hav emultiverse enabled04:26
Minatakuantibody: I cannot assist you, sorry04:26
EruantalonHow do I update from edgy to feisty with the alternate cd?04:26
MinatakuEruantalon: Carefully ;304:26
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intelikeyantibody beets the monkey off my back too.....04:26
dbglt_Minataku: I was under the impression that OSS was deprecated?04:26
Minatakudbglt_: It is, but ALSA provides emulation04:27
dbglt_Minataku: legacy support?04:27
Minatakudbglt_: Backwards compatibility04:27
intelikeyonly answered so you would know your weren't being ignored.04:27
MinatakuSame deal as intelikey here04:27
TelrothMinataku, thanks, that took care of hda/hdb problems, although kernel still hangs, complaining about IRQ #66 now instead of IRQ #50,  usb error still stands, and i have a pair of usb over-current errors now04:27
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ubotuThe next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+104:28
MinatakuTelroth: Too many devices on USB bus04:28
dbglt_antibody: tried killing it and relaunching?04:28
dbglt_antibody: knetworkmanager?04:28
MinatakuIf there are none, check for a short04:28
antibodydbglt_, yep04:28
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antibodyand dispatcher04:28
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TelrothMinataku, everything is plugged directly into my mobo except for my mouse, which plugs into my keyboard - also, windows didn't throw any usb errors :/04:28
MinatakuWindows keeps everything to itself04:29
N9NU-|-Linuxanother thing i see, is this partioning program ...hmm.. whats the best way to go. I have these options: 1. Guided and manual, HOWEVER, it seems that i end up going in cirlces with either. I have 3 SATA drives (not raid) and i think it sees one of them with a corrupt partition....i never see the options to: delete, renam, etc04:29
MinatakuWindows wouldn't tell you even if the damn thing was on fire04:29
MinatakuYou'd have to wait for the smoke before you knew04:29
N9NU-|-Linuxi will run partition magin now04:29
Telrothactually, it does complain about over-current04:29
antibodydbglt_, I used to use gnome(ubuntu) but karamba make my final appeal :D04:29
Telrothcd just stareted doing stuff04:29
MinatakuTelroth: Check for a short04:29
ErtainHello everyone.  I'm trying to record some video with my webcam and some audio with my microphone.  I'm using mencoder for this.  I've looked on the Kubuntu website and have tried a command shown there.  I can't seem to record my microphone, though.  Any ideas?04:29
EruantalonMinataku: Where is the documentation for updating to feisty?04:29
MinatakuShort circuit, that is04:29
antibodydamn..it was working04:29
intelikeyand if you let the smode out it wont work no more.04:30
MinatakuLook for shards of metal or whatnot that may have gotten onto the board or into the sockets04:30
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MinatakuAfter that, go kick the ass of the guy who sold it to you/put it together04:30
TelrothMinataku, cd spun up after about 10 minutes, screen went black04:30
TelrothMinataku, i put it together myself04:30
Telrothand haven't had any trouble with it except for kubuntu ;)04:30
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MinatakuTelroth: Start doing some yoga04:31
Telrothwindows, knoppix, everything else works like a charm :P04:31
MinatakuThat is kinda bizarre04:31
MinatakuI'd look into the USB overcurrent ASAP though04:31
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MinatakuSeriously, check for any obvious short circuits04:31
intelikeyTelroth so use knoppix,04:31
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Telrothintelikey, ubuntu has better repos04:32
Telrothand the system is configured better :)04:32
intelikeynot if it don't work04:32
MinatakuUh oh04:32
HobbseeEruantalon: you dont want to upgrade.04:32
MinatakuAudacious exploded04:32
EruantalonHobbsee: Yes I do. Talked to a guy in #ubuntu-kernel :-)04:32
Telrothten freaking minutes to boot a system04:33
intelikeyjust install the feisty kernel04:33
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about catchsegv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi04:33
MinatakuThat's a damn Debian tool04:33
Telrothat least it finally came up04:33
ubotuSee http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)04:34
HobbseeEruantalon: ^04:34
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HobbseeEruantalon: which guy?04:34
HobbseeEruantalon: you know it's still rather buggy?04:34
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Hobbseeah, okay04:34
MinatakuOh, I was wrong04:34
MinatakuMusta been thinking of something else04:35
Minataku!find segv04:35
EruantalonHe said that upgrading to the feisty kernel was almost getting all of the major things of feisty anyway04:35
ubotuFound: libsigsegv-dev04:35
ubotulibsigsegv-dev: Library for handling page faults in a portable way. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4-1 (edgy), package size 19 kB, installed size 84 kB04:35
MinatakuSIGSEGV is not a Page Fault04:35
MinatakuIt's a Segmentation Fault >:(04:35
intelikeygo kick so but off....04:35
HobbseeEruantalon: true.  along with other bugs though.  the rule of "dont upgrade your production system to a development release" applies - dual boot is better, if you can04:36
intelikeythey will have nothing to sit on when Minataku gets through with them...04:36
EruantalonHobbsee: I need ivtv and feisty is the way to get it04:36
EruantalonHobbsee: Besides I am not producing anything04:37
HobbseeEruantalon: fair enough04:37
MinatakuHobbsee: How about we dispense with the warnings and help instead04:37
HobbseeMinataku: because i've seen some people attempt to run feisty.  teh forums are full of them.04:37
EruantalonI apreciate that you cant know how much time i spent deciding this :-)04:37
Hobbseebesides, i found the page :)04:37
HobbseeEruantalon: change all the "edgy" in /etc/apt/sources.list to "feisty" update, and dist-upgrade.  keep doing it until it's all upgraded04:38
MinatakuI've had little issues when upgrading kernels... of course on Gentoo it's very straightforward and easy04:38
HobbseeMinataku: kernels + gcc + libc6 + all the other toolchain stuff?04:38
EruantalonAs I said i downloaded the alternate cd because I was told that you could upgrade with that04:38
intelikeyEruantalon run  " sed 's/edgy/feisty/g' /etc/apt/sources.list | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list ;sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  "04:39
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HobbseeEruantalon: ah yes.  sudo apt-cdrom add, then update04:39
MinatakuHobbsee: Since when? Just drop in a new kernel04:39
intelikeyif you are serious about upgrading ^04:39
Hobbseewhat intelikey said.  but add the cdrom into the sources list first04:39
MinatakuLike I said, it's far more straightforward and easy on Gentoo04:39
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antibodydbglt_, :/04:39
antibodyknetworkmanager should be in trayicon?04:39
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intelikeyyes add the cd first.04:39
HobbseeMinataku: yes, but each ubuntu release is not just a kernel update, right?04:39
dbglt_antibody: aye04:40
intelikeyHobbsee right.04:40
dwarnerHello -- I just installed eclipse-gcj in Edgy, and I can't find how to run it. Anybody know what gives?04:40
MinatakuHobbsee: True, but then it's still a big PIA to update a kernel in Kubuntu nonetheless04:40
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TelrothMinataku, well, i'll be a monkey's uncle. I mismounted the front-usb ports!04:40
MinatakuAnd PIA doesn't stand for Peripheral Interface Adapter04:40
antibody_knetworkmanager should be in trayicon?04:40
MinatakuIf you know what I mean04:40
antibody_NetworkManager is running04:41
MinatakuTelroth: That'll do it04:41
HobbseeMinataku: of course.  which is why there are dist-upgrades.04:41
antibody_but I have no way to interact with it?04:41
TelrothMinataku, got i hope i didn't damage my $200 mobo :(04:41
MinatakuHobbsee: Why can't it be nice and easy? I configure, compile and drop04:41
intelikeypython information archive Minataku ?04:41
Hobbseeantibody_: it should be.04:41
MinatakuTelroth: Probably not04:41
HobbseeMinataku: compiling a new kernel is not "easy"04:41
MinatakuIt detected the overcurrent and probably shut the ports down04:41
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MinatakuHobbsee: Yeah it is04:41
Hobbseeyou have an odd definition of easy04:42
antibody_Hobbsee, :(04:42
Hobbseeneither is compiling it04:42
MinatakuHobbsee: Rather, I know precisely how to do it04:42
intelikeyHobbsee it's pretty easy.  i compiled my first kernel on dapper.04:42
HobbseeMinataku: yes, but new users dont.04:42
MinatakuIt IS easy, though04:42
MinatakuAnd IMO, fun04:42
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dbglt_easy just depends on your target audience04:42
surgyis feisty going to have any good changes? i mean good by not just a bunch of security bs?04:42
MinatakuI love seeing what the new goodies are while I configure it :D04:42
dbglt_surgy: a few little ones, perhaps04:42
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EruantalonSo... add the cd and then run the intelikey command. That will make sure that the cdrom is used before the net connection?04:43
HobbseeEruantalon: yeah.04:43
trappistsurgy: my favorite one so far is the lowlatency kernel in universe04:43
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MinatakuIt's as easy as "make menuconfig && make all && make modules_install && make install" then updating grub.conf04:43
HobbseeMinataku: why are you running kubuntu, if you like updating kernels, etc?04:43
MinatakuI'm not04:43
MinatakuI'm a Gentoo user04:43
MinatakuI'm just here to lend a hand04:43
MinatakuI was lured in by promises of free swag ;304:44
intelikeysurgy probably nothing "major"   major changes come at end of cycle.  that was dapper/edgy change over.  next is almost a year away.04:44
TelrothMinataku, kernel still hangs, but no usb over-current errors :D04:44
HobbseeMinataku: didnt think so.04:44
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HobbseeMinataku: free swag?04:44
MinatakuTelroth: Heehee, one more problem down is still one more problem down :D04:44
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MinatakuHobbsee: genii's workplace was gonna trash some Sun kit04:45
server_hey guys04:45
MinatakuSo I swooped in to grab it up instead04:45
MinatakuThen I decided to stay and help out04:45
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MinatakuI just don't like how simplification ends up making advanced tasks near impossible04:46
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MinatakuProtect the user, punish the administrator04:46
surgyintelikey: kewl thnx04:46
MinatakuThat's Windows philosophy04:46
oneis there something with a gui for kubuntu like daemon tools in window sfor mounting *.bin images ???04:46
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Minataku!iso | one04:46
ubotuone: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn04:46
intelikeyMinataku yeah that ^04:47
TelrothMinataku, i agree, but that's one thing i've come to like about ubuntu, it allows advanced stuff but will wrap it up and a pretty gui when you need it04:47
MinatakuTelroth: Actually the issue is that it DOESN'T allow advanced stuff04:47
onethx i try it also with a script but dont works ;_(04:47
TelrothMinataku, example?04:47
MinatakuManaging software manually confuses the hell out of apt04:47
onemount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,04:47
one       missing codepage or other error04:47
one       In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try04:47
one       dmesg | tail  or so04:47
trappistMinataku: what does ubuntu take away in the name of simplification?04:48
MinatakuManaging software manually confuses the hell out of apt and is highly discouraged <<<<<04:48
intelikeyMinataku it does.  you just have to roll you sleves up and crawl into the box....04:48
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TelrothMinataku, that's why you use Kompile - it builds the software with your specifications, then packs it up nicely in a .deb :)04:48
MinatakuTelroth: There's the rub04:48
MinatakuThat's more complicated than "make && sudo make install"04:48
oneis there nothing with a gui ?? ;_(04:48
Minatakuone: Type "file -zrk filename.iso"04:49
MinatakuTell me what it says04:49
Telrothright-click on a .tar.gz -> build as .deb & install seems just as easy :)04:49
trappistMinataku: it doesn't take anything away from you.  you can install software that way, but as with *any* package management system, it's better to make a package or find another way to stay within the package management system.04:49
oneits not a iso its a bin file04:49
Minatakuone: THERE WE GO04:49
oneit says data04:49
MinatakuIt's not a pure ISO04:49
trappistone: convert it to iso with bchunk04:49
MinatakuIt needs to be converted04:49
TelrothMinataku, he said that earlier :P04:49
MinatakuHe did?04:50
MinatakuI was probably too busy talking to YOU, Telroth04:50
onei told yoou in my first question its a bin image04:50
MinatakuTherefore I blame you04:50
Telroth[21:46:40]  <one> is there something with a gui for kubuntu like daemon tools in window sfor mounting *.bin images ???04:50
MinatakuSorry, one04:50
MinatakuMy bad XD04:50
intelikeyMinataku or there is the other alternative.  you can remove dpkg from the system and go source only...04:50
MinatakuBut yeah, you have to convert it first04:50
onewhat about a answer is there anything = *G*04:50
oneargh it all so complicated ;-(04:50
Minatakuone: It's far easier to mount it manually04:50
trappistone: yes, convert it with bchunk04:51
MinatakuPlus it gets you experience with the CLI04:51
MinatakuWhich is very nice04:51
MinatakuTrust me04:51
onebut there are 3 cd images , its reason a ausio programm vfor windows and i hope it will works via wine ;-(04:51
TelrothCLI is AWeSoMe!04:51
MinatakuI do ALL my file management via the CLI04:51
MinatakuLiterally all of it04:51
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MinatakuI have NO GUI file manager04:52
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trappistone: I got an old version of reason working in an old version of wine, so I'd say your chances are pretty good04:52
MinatakuIt depends on the stale version of WINE your edition of Ubuntu is running04:52
cpk1one: you need bchunk04:52
onetrappist i need / i wanna the 3.0 reason tu run, sucks to change os every time ;-)04:52
Telrothyay, 10-minute boot sequences04:52
onethen convert all 3 images with bchunk then mount via console04:52
trappistone: yep04:53
oneand then isntall with wine and it will works probalby ? *G04:53
trappistthat's the idea04:53
cpk1yeah and hope wine is able to handle the multi cd install04:53
trappistcedega can do that no problem :)04:53
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Minatakuone: If you've been good so far this year and your chi is in the house of ying-yang04:53
Telrothcedega != wine ;)04:53
cpk1yes but maybe he doesnt want to pay or break the law04:53
oneand hop reason if it works could access my audio samples on another harddisk *G*04:53
MinatakuIt may or may not work04:54
MinatakuIf it doesn't04:54
trappistTelroth: cedega is wine... just sorta, wine on steroids04:54
ubotuaudacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1850 kB, installed size 5444 kB04:54
one<Minataku> one: If you've been good so far this year and your chi is in the house of ying-yang04:54
Telrothtrappist, expensive steroids04:54
onewtf ?04:54
Minatakuone: Sorry, lame joke04:54
trappistTelroth: $15 isn't expensive :)04:54
onelol i know audacity buts thats just a audio editor04:54
MinatakuIt's a full featured audio thingy04:54
jmichaelxisn't cedega a subscription service?04:54
oneits a audioeditor!04:55
Telrothtrappist, to someone who gets christmas and birthday as his sole sources of income, and has already blow it all on $1000 of new hardware, $15 is a lot :)04:55
MinatakuI made all my later phone recordings with it04:55
intelikeyfull featured?04:55
MinatakuThe early ones were done with SNDREC32.EXE04:55
cpk1$15 a month04:55
onelook at reason its a virtual rack with sampler , synthies, drummachines effekts aso04:55
jmichaelxtoo much for me....04:55
trappistcpk1: $5 a month, 3 month minimum04:55
Telrothif i had $15 to spare, i'd be playing horizons04:55
jmichaelxi'm glad i'm not a gamer lol04:56
trappistand anyway, you can get the cedega source for free and build it yourself.  you'll just be lacking things like safedisc support04:56
Minatakujmichaelx: You're not anything right now thanks to beryl04:56
Telrothtrappist, and directx drivers?04:56
trappistTelroth: all there04:56
Telroththose are kinda ya know... important?04:56
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Telrothtrappist, if they are, why is wine having to write their own?04:56
jmichaelxMinataku: naaaa, back up and running :-D04:56
MinatakuSorry, I hope you don't take offense to that04:56
trappistTelroth: they can't release the safedisc source, as they have it under license04:57
MinatakuAh! Excellent! :D04:57
jmichaelxty ty04:57
jmichaelxMinataku: no offence lol04:57
MinatakuI'm a retrogamer04:57
Telrothtrappist, that's understandable, i'm referring to the directx thought04:57
trappistTelroth: cedega donates code back to the wine project.  a lot of the winehq directx stuff is word done by transgaming.04:57
intelikeytrappist that doesn't explain the xd Q04:57
MinatakuAll my PC games are emulated04:57
MinatakuFear the calculus04:57
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jmichaelxMinataku: i found out that there had been a change in nvidia drivers, and i now needed nvidia-glx-legacy for this card...... the change threw me04:58
Telrothtrappist, last i heard, wine people were pissed because cedega stopped contributing back04:58
Minatakujmichaelx: Ah04:58
trappistintelikey: yeah I'm behind in my typing :)04:58
Telrothtrappist, but i havne't been up to date on everything04:58
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Minatakujmichaelx: Yeah, that's the "dead driver"04:58
MinatakuNo more updates04:58
MinatakuWhen the card is EOL for Linux it's tossed in there04:58
trappistTelroth: I haven't kept up either, that could be true.  but last I heard everybody was pals04:58
MinatakuBetter than ATI, though04:58
MinatakuWho deletes the driver entirely04:59
MinatakuLeaving you stranded unless you buy another card04:59
MinatakuWhich is when you burn the ATI card and get an nVidia04:59
jmichaelxgood business04:59
jmichaelxlol exactly04:59
Minatakujmichaelx: Supposedly it is, at least it is when you hate F/OSS like ATI04:59
MinatakuI hope AMD turns them around05:00
intelikeyor burn the ati and get something natively supported.05:00
MinatakuAMD has historically been F/OSS friendly05:00
jmichaelxa lot of people are hoping that05:00
MinatakuLike an Intel card05:00
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Minatakubrb, I have to take my pills05:00
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jmichaelxagp is usually out of my league....05:01
onehaha converting and mounting works *G*05:01
jmichaelx*is buried under old hardware05:01
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=== Telroth just cleared out of old hardware ^.^
jmichaelxTelroth: i like (most) of my old hardware :-D05:03
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Telrothintelikey, server is in the locked cabinet05:03
SkyblastAre there any actaul intel video cards or are they all just onboard stuff?05:04
jmichaelxi spent $5 for this machine, $19 for a usb 2.0 card and $50 for the nVidia video05:04
draikI LOVE KUBUNTU... that is all05:05
jmichaelxhowdy draik :-D05:05
draikHello jmichaelx, how is everything?05:05
SkyblastKubuntu for all!05:05
jmichaelxi have made good use of almost all of that PC 100 RAM you sent me05:05
Dr_willis Hmm.. ok.. if ANYONE meets the programmers behind Yahoo Messenger... will you please SLAP THEM hard!05:05
draikI'm glad05:05
Dr_willisI am having to do way too much 'tech support' for the wife and that idiotic program.05:06
draikthat it went to use, I just had them sitting around05:06
jmichaelxit helped me out a bunch05:06
TelrothDr_willis, does slap imply the use of a hand?05:06
SkyblastYahoo! Messenger.. as seen on To Catch a Predator!05:06
Dr_willisand she isent even 'using' the program. shes just playing with themes...05:06
draikDr_willis: We deal with them at work every so often... will do05:06
Telrothor can something else be used? *cough*buckshot*cough*05:06
intelikeyimpossable.... access to tty's 5-8 is gone....    i've been griping for six months cause they were active at boot time and now they aren't....05:06
Dr_willisand the &*#&@ program has changed theme versions 100 times it seems.. so none of the ones shes downloading work.. and she cant understand why.05:06
jmichaelxDr_willis: beryl?05:06
Dr_willisjmichaelx,  my wife just HAS to use XP and Yahoo Messenger to hang in chat rooms and 'listen' to these idiots singing country music... badly...05:07
Dr_willisso every 10 min or so she yells at me to show her how to use the program that i have never ever wanted to use.05:07
SkyblastI thought Yahoo chat rooms were all closed since all the pedophiles were in them 24/705:07
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intelikeyrant on.05:07
Dr_willisSkyblast,  the custome-user created ones are.05:08
draikDr_willis: Ouch... My girl loves her country music, but she knows I can't really stand it so she usually keeps it to herself05:08
Skyblastahh I see05:08
Dr_willisI want to know when 'instant messenger progrms' became mass-voice chat05:08
ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects05:08
intelikeyDr_willis   maybe remove the speakes ???05:09
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic05:09
jmichaelxyou can do yahoo voice chat in linux if you use gyachi.... there are probably other programs, too05:09
TelrothDr_willis, about the time skype came out :P05:09
MinatakuDr_willis: Your wife should be forced to use Linux, same with your kids and yourself05:09
SkyblastYou can use Trillian for Yahoo chat as well... I am pretty sure voice chat is supported05:09
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MinatakuAs for keeping her from playing loud, horrible music... that's what the router is there for >:D05:10
jmichaelxi didn't know that there wa a linux trillian port05:10
SkyblastThere is?05:10
jmichaelxok.... i thought that is what you were saying05:10
Skyblastoh, hehe05:10
intelikeyaccidently type in   sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda1        Dr_willis ???05:10
SkyblastI just meant that if the person was insisting on Windows05:11
MinatakuSorry, felt like being evil for a second05:11
intelikeyhey i'm just trying to help....05:11
jmichaelxgaim is about all i use.... not into chat rooms.... well, with the exception of IRC05:11
MinatakuIRC is all I use05:11
MinatakuI hate instant messaging05:11
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MinatakuI hate cell phones, too05:11
intelikeycell phone      what's that ?05:11
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SkyblastI have all the popular IM's services. Might as well, since Kopete uses them. There is no one on my ICQ and Yahoo lists, though. hehe05:12
jmichaelxintelikey: that is especialy funny coming from you05:12
draikberyl isn't a package for me to apt-get install05:12
MinatakuI used Skype for a spell but only while they had free SkypeOut05:12
menai need some help05:12
MinatakuWhich is over now so I don't use it anymore05:12
SkyblastI haven't used Skype in a while05:12
menai have a problem with my kubuntu in conecting to the internet05:12
SkyblastI used to leave it on and weird Chinese people would call me all the time05:12
MinatakuSkyblast: Cool05:13
MinatakuI'm a bit of a phone phreak05:13
jmichaelxdraik: are you wanting to install beryl?05:13
MinatakuNothing illegal, though05:13
draikyes sir!05:13
MinatakuI like making recordings of recordings05:13
MinatakuWant to see my archive?05:13
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Minatakuhttp://s95018220.onlinehome.us/random/phreaking/ << :D05:13
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MinatakuMy other random crap is there too05:13
MinatakuEnjoy any of it05:14
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menai cant conect to the internet through kubuntu but i cant through Xp ..So what is the problem ...nai idea05:14
MinatakuI recommend http://s95018220.onlinehome.us/random/photochop/ for funnies05:14
jmichaelxit isn't all  that hard, although i managed to mess X up for half of the day trying to get beryl to work.... i was using the wrong driver05:14
menasorry can through XP05:14
MinatakuKeep in mind, all those done in The GIMP05:14
Dr_willismena,  wireless? cable? router? ect....05:14
MinatakuNot Photoshop :D05:14
jmichaelxdraik: it is actually very easy05:14
intelikeymena  wifi ?05:14
menaDr_willis, router05:14
Dr_willismena,  #1 - see if you can ping the router.05:15
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Dr_willis#2 - if you can ping the router - double check your dns/gateway settings.05:15
MinatakuI have the only contributor page on www.thisisarecording.com05:15
menaDr_willis, on kubuntu05:15
MinatakuAnd if you haven't guessed it yet, I'm Payphone Ed05:15
oneargh need help again installing reason via wine, he wants the second cd, i mountet the second image but there is no ok button only quit so he dont go on cuz he doestnt find the cd ;_(05:15
SkyblastI am still pondering installing beryl once again... I really don't wanna botch up this nice, relatively new install. Granted, I always make backups of everything I edit, but still..05:15
jmichaelxdraik: you need to read through the docs and pay attention to what kind of video  card you are using.....  then it is basically a matter of adding a repo & key and apt-getting05:15
SkyblastI wish I had the room(and money) for a testing PC05:16
MinatakuSkyblast: Get a cheapie05:16
MinatakuThrift stores have nice, cheap PCs suitable for testing purposes05:16
draikI'm using the nVidia 5700LS 256MB video card05:16
menaDr_willis , i can conect through Xp05:16
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draikI have added the repo05:16
jmichaelxSkyblast: you can get PCs for under $20 all over the place.... you should see my apartment:-D05:16
menaDr_willis , So why should i ping through it05:16
Skyblastyeah, I should, and just get a little KVM switch and not have to worry about monitor an dall that05:16
nosferax_HI! I have a question for the long time user of kubuntu around here... Is it normal that I have to start some program twice for them to run... The first time all i get is a bouncing icon on the screen then it disappear05:16
MinatakuI prefer non-PCs05:17
MinatakuLike I _LOVE_ Sun machines05:17
MinatakuI've got 4 as it is05:17
Minataku1 sun4u (Sun Ultra 5, Hazuki)05:17
Minataku3 sun4m (Sun SPARCstation 5/170, Dejiko \05:17
draikand I wanted to apt-get beryl, but it stated that there is no package with that name05:17
jmichaelxSkyblast: i have a kvm st this desk.... 4 PCs, one monitor/mouse05:17
SkyblastI have one old PC in my closet but it's a bit too old to be of any major use(P1 MMX 166MHz)05:17
MinatakuSun SPARCstation LX (4/30), Haruko \05:17
MinatakuSun SPARCstation 10, Unnamed)05:18
Telrothdraik, added the repos and performed apt-get update?05:18
menadr_willis, i have a reply xp ith the ping05:18
Dr_willisdraik,  theres some wiki pages on installing beryl..05:18
draikyes sir05:18
Telrothdraik, #ubuntu-glx is a good place to beryl/compiz help05:18
jmichaelxSkyblast: it could still me fun.... put DELI linux on it05:18
draikI will look for them05:18
MinatakuSkyblast: If it has a large enough HDD, it's good for FreeBSD/i386 6.2-RELEASE05:18
Telrothit's where i learned how to get it working :)05:18
intelikeynosferax_ i've been using *buntu sense hoary came out but i dont mess with the pointy clicky thingy much,  at a venture i have to say "no that's not normal"  but what do i know about gui's05:18
Dr_willisdraik,  not that i was able to get it working.. apraently theres some issues at this time with it.05:18
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SkyblastIt has a 3.2GB drive in it I believe05:19
menadr_willis, So what is the problem with kubuntu bec it was working befor ....05:19
Skyblastbut I have a 10 I could throw in it05:19
MinatakuMahoro is a Toshiba Satellite 305CDS with a 40GB HDD (lol) and runs 6.1-RELEASE very nicely05:19
jmichaelxSkyblast: that is tons of room for DELI05:19
draikDr_willis: Ummm... about the wiki page... it's about berylium05:19
MinatakuSkyblast: A nice amount for FreeBSD as well05:20
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ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects05:20
steven__is there a command to force close programs??05:20
MinatakuEither 5.5-LEGACY, 6.1-STABLE or 6.2-RELEASE05:20
Minatakusteven__: kill05:20
MinatakuTry it plain at first, if it fails, kill -905:20
SkyblastI have very little experience with any of the BSD's.05:20
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SkyblastI tried to install one in vmware once. It did not go well :)05:20
MinatakuSkyblast: It's not that much different from the basic administration level05:21
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Telrothgiving up on kubuntu for now, running windows :P05:21
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MinatakuI'm an OS collector and Unix fanatic, though05:21
Telrothboots in a nice 30 seconds05:21
EruantalonIs there a way to get apt-get to dist-upgrade BUT keep certain packages... that is have some sort of priority. Fx i want to upgrade to feisty but it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop. How can i make sure that key packages are kept?05:21
nosferax_It doesn't happens all the time, and since the program start on the second try it's not that much of a problem but i wanted to know if i was the only one with this problem05:22
MinatakuI love Unix, all kinds05:22
FB33how do i fine graphics card id?05:22
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MinatakuExcept NeXTSTEP... NeXTSTEP/OpenSTEP/Rhapsody/Darwin all suck05:22
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steven__Minataku it didnt work..05:22
SkyblastLooking up DELI on wikipedia... looks interesting, but I'll happily try FreeBSD as well05:22
Minatakusteven__: You need the pid of the process05:22
steven__Minataku how do i get that05:22
MinatakuType "ps -A" then look for the name and grab it's PID05:22
foo   ] 05:22
fooHow do I select the clock to not be in 24 hour format?05:23
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orient2000I have a problem with mounting another Linux HD. I have in fstab: /dev/sda1 /media/120MB ext3 user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000, 0 005:23
MinatakuFirst number is the PID, after that "kill PID" and if it doesn't die, really kill it with "kill -9 PID"05:23
intelikeyfoo right click on the clock and configure it ?05:23
tritesnikovhi all, how do i disable virtual screen resolution? i like to run normally at 1152x864 because my refresh rate is higher, but i like to run games at 1280x960. if i leave all of the Mode configs in xorg.conf, i get a reolution that is larger than the screen. is there a way to disable this behavior without having to remove Mode resolutions from xorg.conf?05:23
ubotuxrandr: X Rotation, Reflection and Resize utility. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB05:24
foointelikey: eh, I could have guessed that... but I don't see the option anywhere... which is why I asked...05:24
orient2000sudo mount -a05:24
orient2000mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,05:24
orient2000       missing codepage or other error05:24
orient2000       In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try05:24
orient2000       dmesg | tail  or so05:24
steven__it says no such process:S05:24
Minatakusteven__: It's lying!05:24
Minatakups again05:24
MinatakuMaybe it died while you were trying to kill it05:24
intelikeyorient2000 and what is the problem with it ?05:24
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Minatakuorient2000: Do what it says05:25
Minatakudmesg | tail and look for the problem05:25
intelikeyorient2000 oh.  heh i see    sed 's/user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000,//'  that thing.05:25
orient2000I have another linux HD with a data I can not access. I can not mount it05:25
Minatakuintelikey: Simplify05:26
steven__doh! nothing Minataku05:26
intelikey's/user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000,/defaults/' orient200005:26
steven__its fine..ill restart or soemthing05:26
orient2000what shoul I white in fstabs?05:26
Minatakusteven__: Is the program still running?05:26
EruantalonIs there a way to get apt-get to dist-upgrade BUT keep certain packages... that is have some sort of priority. Fx i want to upgrade to feisty but it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop. How can i make sure that key packages are kept?05:26
Minatakuorient2000: Replace the mount options with "defaults"05:26
steven__Minataku yes...except it froze05:26
MinatakuOr just "user,auto"05:27
jmichaelxdraik: this is what i followed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy05:27
steven__thats why im trying to kill it05:27
Minatakusteven__: Okay, "ps -A" and make sure you note the number carefully05:27
MinatakuIf you're like me you transposed some numbers05:27
MinatakuI do that all the time when I try to kill programs05:27
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chris_hello, I just installed beryl, works great, but I can't get any 3d effects. I've got an nvidia 7400 Go, and it says that there is no support for the GLX_EXT extension it needs. I'm a little suppried because it's a 7000 serise, and 8000 only just can out. Is there some sort of driver i can install to get the extension going?05:28
MinatakuIt'll be "27490" and I'll type "27940"05:28
Minatakuchris_: I gotta say, I love how it "works great" when it actually doesn't work properly ;305:28
intelikeyorient2000 as i was saying  's/user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000,/defaults/'   that means delete   "user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000,"    and   put   "defaults"  in it's place.05:28
intelikeymodem reset got me.05:28
Telrothchris_, you need the beta nvidia drivers05:29
steven__Minataku thanks:)05:29
Minatakusteven__: Got it? :D05:29
Telrothchris_, #ubuntu-gxl can help you :)05:29
tritesnikovuboto: thanks for the xrandr command, does the trick. however, does that stop games from changing the resolution to higher than what xrandr says, or would it be a game bug if it crashes when trying to change the resolution?05:29
steven__Minataku:  sure did thanks:)05:29
MinatakuIt was the transposed numbers, wasn't it? XD05:29
chris_Telroth, ok, thanks.05:29
steven__Minataku: what is the difference between ps and ps -a?05:29
Minatakusteven__: No problem05:29
Minatakusteven__: ps alone only shows what's running from that terminal05:29
jmichaelxubotu is not much of a conversationalist05:29
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about is not much of a conversationalist - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:29
Minatakups -a shows every process on the system05:30
jmichaelxhe proved me wrong05:30
MinatakuRather ps -A05:30
MinatakuCase sensitive05:30
intelikeyorient2000   "man fstab "      will reveal to you that *mask is M$ specific settings.  can't mount anything but M$ krap with those settings.05:30
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steven__really? what is lower case a then Minataku?05:30
ubotuTo disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv405:30
Minatakusteven__: I dunno, let me check05:30
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ipv4 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:30
dhqhey all05:30
Minataku-a              Select all processes except session leaders (see getsid(2)) and processes not associated with a terminal.05:31
dhqi have a rar file which has password feild how do i get the password05:31
MinatakuSomething quite technical05:31
steven__thanks anyway Minataku:)05:31
Minatakusteven__: No problem05:31
MinatakuIf it happens again check what you typed05:31
intelikeyps -a will error05:31
MinatakuLike I said I constantly do the same damn thing XD05:31
orient2000"/dev/sda1 /media/120MB ext3 user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000,/defaults/' orient2000"?05:31
intelikeyidiots removed the -  on -a05:32
Minatakuintelikey: It doesn't error05:32
MinatakuIt's a legit option05:32
tritesnikovuboto: thanks for the xrandr command, does the trick. however, does that stop games from changing the resolution to higher than what xrandr says, or would it be a game bug if it crashes when trying to change the resolution?05:32
Minatakutritesnikov: Game bug05:32
tritesnikovalright thanks05:32
tritesnikovit's a beta anyways, just trying to make suyre05:33
intelikeyMinataku ok it's -x that they did that to05:33
intelikeywe used to do ps -aux all the time.  it errors.05:33
Minatakuintelikey: I dunno, I hardly ever use anything but -A or -Af or something05:33
intelikeyps -A x     is what i normally use.05:34
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Telrothps aux is what i use05:35
intelikeyTelroth shows the same thing05:35
intelikeytty2 [greg@~]  /bin/ps -A ux | grep -e U -m 105:37
intelikeyUSER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND05:37
intelikeytty2 [greg@~]  /bin/ps aux | grep -e U -m 105:37
intelikeyUSER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND05:37
intelikeylook the same to me.05:37
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MinatakuAudacious is being a jerk... it's default MP3 decoder has time measuring issues with VBR MP3s05:38
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intelikeyactually i use   pid  which is a script i wrote that with out args does ps -A x   and has some nice formatting added to the text.05:39
intelikeywith args it does tricks.05:40
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intelikeyjumps through hoops05:40
intelikeypoops in hats...05:40
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intelikeylooks for the man with the big yellow hat..05:40
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menano can help me to figure out why i cant conect to the net with kubuntu but i can with xp and i was befor be able to conect with kubuntu05:42
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menano one*05:42
intelikeymena did you follow what Dr_willis said to you  ^  ?05:43
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draikWell, I installed Beryl and all that good stuff, but now I can't get the manager to run. Any clues?05:43
menayes i had a reply05:43
ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects05:43
menabut with xp05:43
intelikeyhave to check with linux.  not xp.05:44
menahow to do with kubuntu is there a command05:44
intelikeyman ping05:44
intelikeyman ifconfig05:44
menaokay i will but if i had05:44
intelikeynano /etc/resolv.conf05:44
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MinatakuMy neck hurts05:45
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cpk1resolve.conf only helps if their dns isnt working05:46
Minatakuresolve.conf doesn't help at all. You have to spell it right ;305:47
cpk1mena: you able to connect to your router?05:47
cpk1that is true05:47
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FringeJacketI cant get gaim to install05:48
MinatakuThat's probably a good thing05:48
cpk1FringeJacket: using aptitude?05:48
FringeJacketto be honest, I just know I did the package and followed what it said for that05:49
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FringeJacketMy friend just installed linux on my computer yesterday and it confuses me05:50
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revdjenkFringejacket, what is the most confusing?05:50
MinatakuFringeJacket: Thank him05:51
underdog5004FringeJacket, what's bothering you about it?05:51
underdog5004FringeJacket, ok, open up a konsole (Kmenu->system->konsole)05:51
Dr_willisgiven the fighting ive been doing with windows XP lately........ Linux is like a... err... hmm.. i better not say this is a Faimly Channel05:51
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underdog5004Dr_willis, lol, a safe haven?05:52
Dr_willisI was thinking  "a wife thats goodlooking AND can cook..."05:52
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underdog5004FringeJacket, now type sudo apt-get install gaim05:53
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Mightily-Oatshey all... hopefully a quick question... anyone played around with usb headphones?05:53
underdog5004Mightily-Oats, I have05:53
FringeJacketit says it can't find the package05:54
Mightily-Oatsive been given a set of dodgitech usb ones.. and i cant get sound out of them..05:54
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Dr_willis!info gaim05:54
revdjenkDr_willis   :)05:54
ubotugaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta3.1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1311 kB, installed size 3712 kB05:54
underdog5004FringeJacket, ok, you need to edit a text file for me.05:54
Mightily-Oatsdmesg picks up the device05:55
underdog5004FringeJacket, in konsole, type in sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list05:55
Mightily-Oatsalsamixer -c 2 allows me to control volume... but the sound isnt been directed through them05:55
sasoynahi guys anyone work with samba?05:56
Mightily-Oatsis there way to route the sound to a different device?05:56
underdog5004Mightily-Oats, you may need to use kmix to change the mixer05:56
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underdog5004FringeJacket, ok, that'll open up a text file that's got a bunch of stuff in it. Basically, delete the #'s from in front of the lines that start with #deb etc..05:57
Mightily-Oatsunderdog5004: ok.. changed the mixer.. it allows me to control the volume.. but i dont think the sound is being sent to the usb headphones05:58
underdog5004Mightily-Oats, Open up kmix and select USB 0x02c3 or whatever it's called?05:58
underdog5004Mightily-Oats, there should be a dropdown menu in the upper right...05:58
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Mightily-Oatsunderdog5004: yep.. did that.05:58
FringeJacketok, done and saved05:58
underdog5004Mightily-Oats, and it didn't work?05:58
underdog5004FringeJacket, ok, now do that other command... sudo apt-get install gaim05:59
Mightily-Oatsnup... sound is still coming out through the soundcard and speakers...05:59
Mightily-Oatsi think it needs to be routed to the new device.. but im not dure how to do that05:59
underdog5004Mightily-Oats, have you rebooted your computer since you've had your headphones in?05:59
underdog5004that'll do it...cause I don't know the command to redetect soundcards, lol05:59
menaintelikey, first i didi it and nothing happend and i got some chosise and then i opened the nano and i found the gateway is right bec its the one i use on xp so any idea05:59
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Mightily-Oatsunderdog5004: nup... just plugged them in.. should i?06:00
underdog5004FringeJacket, did it work?06:00
FringeJacketstill doesn't wanna work] 06:00
underdog5004Mightily-Oats, that's what works for me...06:00
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underdog5004pastebin | FringeJacket06:00
Mightily-Oatsok... ill try that underdog5004... thanks :)06:00
orient2000Can I reinstall Kubuntu from root without loosing my data?06:00
underdog5004FringeJacket, in konsole, type in sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and copy it over to pastebin06:00
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underdog5004FringeJacket, then give us the address...06:00
intelikeymena i'm not the one to be asking about networking.  sorry.    i really don't want to mess something up there.06:00
underdog5004FringeJacket, ?06:02
FringeJacketwhat is pastebin?06:02
underdog5004pastebin | FringeJacket06:02
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)06:02
underdog5004intelikey, that's for canada06:03
menaintelikey, ok thanks i guess i will renistall kubuntu thaks any way06:03
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underdog5004FringeJacket, ?06:03
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intelikeyunderdog5004 that's for people that may or MAY NOT use a gui browser.   the ubuntu pastebin doesn't work with cli browsers.06:04
underdog5004intelikey, he's using a gui06:04
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intelikeysee above statement.06:04
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underdog5004intelikey, truce?06:04
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underdog5004FringeJacket, how you doing?06:04
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FringeJacketmore confused.06:05
underdog5004FringeJacket, why?06:05
intelikeybesides just because it says .ca     doesn't mean much  the ub one is in .uk06:05
underdog5004intelikey, ok.06:05
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intelikeyuk ca what the diff3  ?06:05
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FringeJacketnevermind, being dumb, gimme a sec\06:05
underdog5004FringeJacket, k06:06
intelikeymonkey-C  ?06:06
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Mightily-Oatsunderdog5004: ok.. rebooted.. still no sound through the headphones :(06:07
orient2000How can I save my files? I have Kubuntu booting but no GUI.06:07
intelikey!sound | Mightily-Oats06:07
ubotuMightily-Oats: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP306:07
underdog5004Mightily-Oats, ok, open up Kmenu->system settings->sound/multimedia06:07
intelikeyorient2000 why no gui ?06:08
underdog5004FringeJacket, ok, taking a look now06:08
FringeJacketthank you so much06:08
intelikeyorient2000 you can reconfigure xorg...06:08
orient2000xserver-xorg-core does not start. I was working on it to long.06:08
underdog5004FringeJacket, ok, that's not what I want. I want the stuff that's in the kate window (the ones with all the #'s)06:08
Mightily-Oatstried with sound system on06:08
underdog5004orient2000, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg06:09
underdog5004orient2000, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg06:09
orient2000I did it, nothing works. I just want these files and then reinstall.06:09
intelikeyreinstall to fix gui ?06:09
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underdog5004Mightily-Oats, then in hardware, check override device location, and type in /dev/dsp106:10
underdog5004orient2000, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg06:10
orient2000Ok I will try it.06:10
underdog5004FringeJacket, ok, that's good. lemme take a look..06:11
intelikeyif you run   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    and answer all the questions correctly the gui will work.   then type startx    to test it.06:11
underdog5004FringeJacket, take a look at this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4065/    <== delete all the stuff in your /etc/apt/sources.list and replace it with that stuff.06:13
underdog5004Mightily-Oats, still having problems?06:13
Mightily-Oatsunderdog5004: yep. still a no go06:14
underdog5004ok, instead of /dev/dsp1, do /dev/dsp06:14
intelikeyunderdog5004 why didn't you have him just remove the last three lines        or did i miss something ?06:15
Mightily-Oatsunderdog5004: nothing this time06:15
underdog5004intelikey, I don't know.06:16
underdog5004Mightily-Oats, bummer06:16
intelikeyyou know that you cut him out of backports06:16
underdog5004I did? weird...06:16
underdog5004intelikey, feel free to jump in06:16
underdog5004I gotta go soon06:16
FringeJacketnot working, luckily RJ is home from work06:17
intelikeyerr no you didn't.  i overlooked it06:17
intelikeyit's there.06:17
Mightily-Oatsunderdog5004: ok.. ill keep searching... thanks for all ur help06:17
underdog5004Mightily-Oats, np06:17
underdog5004FringeJacket, I gotta go... intelikey will help you, though.06:17
underdog5004bye, y'all.06:17
intelikeyunderdog5004 don't leave.06:17
intelikeyi'll quit trubbling you.    i was just curious.06:18
underdog5004I stick around...can't stay for too long06:18
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FringeJacketdon't worry intelikey... I'm bothering RJ with my questions06:18
FringeJacketthanks for your help underdog06:18
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underdog5004FringeJacket, I'm sticking around for a bit...06:18
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draikI got beryl working!06:19
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crazy_busMy apt-get has stopped working.  I now get this error message06:19
crazy_bus subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 12706:19
crazy_busErrors were encountered while processing:06:19
crazy_bus gstreamer-editor06:19
crazy_busE: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)06:19
underdog5004draik, isn't it beautiful?06:19
jordo23Does anyone know what I have to do to get a Logitech Headset and MIc working under Kubuntu?06:19
underdog5004!pastebin | crazy_bus06:19
ubotucrazy_bus: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)06:19
draikunderdog5004: BEYOND that06:19
draikI'm having so much fun right now just opening a bunch of folders and files just to see them Burn!!!06:20
underdog5004draik, what video card you using?06:20
draiknVidia 5700LS 256MB06:20
draiknVidia GeForce FX 5700LS 256MB06:20
underdog5004I'm thinkin' bout a 6200 LE06:20
underdog5004nvidia, of course06:20
draikI'm thinking about upgrading... PERIOD06:20
underdog5004draik, lol06:20
draikI feel like a kid at a candy store06:21
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underdog5004FringeJacket, did you get that copied over?06:21
draikI'm on my own "sugar rush" from beryl06:21
underdog5004draik, lol, now YOU can post pretty vids on youtube06:21
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orient2000sudo dpkg... -phigh... gave me debconfig: unable to initialize frontend: KDE, (DISPLAY PROBLEM?), falling back to frontend: Dialog06:21
FringeJacketyup, didn't work06:21
draikI was just getting to that, underdog5004...06:21
draikWhat do I need to record what I do on my desktop?06:21
draikwhat app/pkg/etc?06:21
underdog5004FringeJacket, you copied what I pasted into your sources.list file and saved it, then did sudo apt-get install gaim?06:22
underdog5004and it didn't work?06:22
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about desktoprecorder - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:22
intelikeyorient2000 that's not a problem.    what else ?06:22
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orient2000my xorg does not start, thats all06:22
underdog5004FringeJacket, that should have worked.06:23
underdog5004orient2000, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg06:23
underdog5004then do startx06:23
underdog5004FringeJacket, pastebin your sources.list06:23
FringeJacketI've decided to just go with another method... the non-package method06:23
underdog5004FringeJacket, huh?06:23
orient2000I did it before, same think.06:23
intelikeyorient2000 it's not going to automatically start after you configure it.     run    startx      and see if it works or gives errors06:23
dhqi have a rar file which has password feild how do i get the password06:23
underdog5004orient2000, what driver did you use?06:23
underdog5004dhq, ask the person who made the rar06:24
dhqunderdog5004: who made rar06:24
underdog5004orient2000, vesa will work on _anything_06:24
uboturar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free06:24
intelikeyif it error     what are they ?    (ignore lines with 'wacom' in them)06:24
underdog5004dhq, no, who made the .rar file?06:24
orient2000was setup automatically. I do not know06:24
dhqunderdog5004: well i got the file online06:25
FringeJacketthe page has alot of options, but I didn't know which other ones wojuld work on my laptop til RJ got back06:25
orient2000how to change driver?06:25
underdog5004dhq, to add to you pr0nzor collection?06:25
orient2000I am not in gui06:25
ubotuistanbul: Desktop session recorder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 380 kB06:25
underdog5004orient2000, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg06:25
intelikeyunderdog5004 vesa will work on most things.  i have a vidio card that vesa wont work on.  others might have simular06:25
underdog5004the first screen asks for the driver06:25
orient2000OK I will try again.06:25
dhqunderdog5004: ????06:26
underdog5004dhq, nothing06:26
intelikeyunderdog5004 ok.  gooday and good luck to your penguin06:26
underdog5004thanks so much!06:26
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intelikeyFringeJacket what you working on ?06:28
dhqunderdog5004: do you have any idea on intel grafx cards06:28
intelikeydhq i810  ?06:29
dhqintelikey: yup06:29
intelikeywhat are you doing to it ?06:29
intelikeyi simply wasn't trying to follow every thouight in the channel06:30
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FringeJacketintelikey, can you be more specific06:30
intelikey[underdog5004(n=matthew@]  can you help FringeJacket?  <<<06:30
intelikeyi can't if i don't know what you are trying to do..06:31
intelikeyfrom what i gather     install something ?06:31
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FringeJacketinstall gaim. it should be simple06:32
draikI'm using beryl... I'm using beryl...06:32
dhqintelikey: i have a laptop using this drive i am using edgy when i start the laptop ,i can see my mouse and the screen is half the half of the scenn is not visible ,then i have close the lid of my laptop and then the screen is ok ;the when i run kdm i face another problem my mouse appears to look distorted the cursor is fuzzy and all then i have to start my mplayer and then i can see my mouse properly any help06:32
intelikey!info gaim06:32
ubotugaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta3.1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1311 kB, installed size 3712 kB06:32
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intelikeyFringeJacket sudo apt-get install gaim06:32
jordo23I keep getting errors with Ark......is there a better GUI compression utility that isn't GTK+?06:33
Minatakujordo23: Why GUI?06:33
FringeJacket"couldn't find package gaim"06:33
MinatakuBut to actually answer06:33
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about fileroller - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:34
MinatakuUnless that's... oh, nvm06:34
MinatakuIt's not even in the repos anyway >.<06:34
jordo23Minataku: For KDE....06:34
Hobbsee!info gaim06:34
ubotugaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta3.1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1311 kB, installed size 3712 kB06:34
dhqintelikey: any idea06:34
Minatakujordo23: I just pack/unpack from the CLI06:34
Hobbseeit should find gaim...06:34
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intelikeydhq   in /boot/grub/menu.lst    on the kernel line  add vga=781   maybe.06:35
jordo23Minataku: I honestly don't know compression that well.....how to uncompress a .tar.bz2 file?06:36
intelikeydhq and on the gui portion of that problem.   you are not using kernel frame buffering for the xorg driver are you ?    grep -ie driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf     to see what driver06:36
dhqintelikey: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash vga=781 " like this06:36
Minatakujordo23: tar xfj file.tar.bz206:36
intelikeyFringeJacket sudo apt-get update06:37
MinatakuI unpack those all the time :306:37
intelikeydhq yes06:37
intelikeyFringeJacket if that pukes out errors pastebin them.06:37
jordo23Minataku: When I run that command it just sits there.....wierd06:38
MinatakuGive it a minute06:38
FringeJacketlovely phrasing06:38
Minatakubz2 is a heavy compression algo06:38
MinatakuIf it's a large file it'll take a bit of time06:38
dhqintelikey: i am not using frame kernel buffering and i am using driver i81006:38
intelikeydhq actually the more i think about it.  i'm not sure  781 is what you want....    maybe 791    one works better on CTR the other on flats06:39
jordo23Minataku: Worked.....thanks...06:39
intelikeydhq ok.   i'm not sure what is causing the mouse problem then.06:39
Minatakujordo23: np06:39
dhqintelikey: so i am on an lcd so which one should i used vga 781 or 79106:40
MinatakuI do all my file administration from the CLI :306:40
intelikeydhq i just said i don't remember   try   781   if that's not it change it....06:40
intelikeyit only costs a reboot.06:40
dhqintelikey: okies thanks dude06:40
intelikeynot like windows never did you that way....06:40
intelikeyyoure welcome06:41
dhqintelikey: when i run xgl my pc gets screwed y doent xgl work :(06:41
Dr_willis  xgl is a work in progress06:41
intelikeyi don't know.    you start getting into propritary stuff there and i just back up and watch it crash.06:41
intelikeyand yes cgl is still green.06:42
dhqintelikey: Dr_willis: even with beryl and aiglx :(06:42
MinatakunVidia tries06:42
ubotuBeryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects06:42
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MinatakuThey're with us, not against us06:42
Dr_willisand a doze of voodoo, and some waving of the magic wand06:42
MinatakuATI is our enemy06:42
MinatakuHopefully not anymore since AMD's buyout06:43
intelikeyif it anit open sourse.  it might as well have M$ stamped on it as far as im concerned.06:43
Dr_willisvideo card makers that are pushing newer and newer stuff we dont need..... :)06:43
Dr_williswe need SLI for our desktops!06:44
Dr_williswhen your video cards have more memory then your last pc... thats progress!06:45
intelikeyFringeJacket did apt get an upset stomoch or not ?06:45
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FringeJacketnot yet06:46
FringeJacketbut its still going06:47
intelikeyyou must suffer with lots of bandNARROWness  like i do..06:47
intelikeydialup ?06:47
MinatakuIf you've got: Nausea, Heartburn, Indigestion; Upset Stomach... DIARRHEA06:47
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MinatakuSorry X306:47
intelikeypepto dismal06:48
MinatakuPepto is great06:48
ForgeAusamd bought out ATI?06:48
MinatakuThat stuff works wonders06:48
ForgeAuswhats that mean for Video cards?06:48
MinatakuForgeAus: Where have you been?06:48
intelikeyForgeAus where you been ?06:48
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ForgeAusI'm here... and there... multitasking06:49
ForgeAusI'm generally an Asus/intel/ATI guy06:49
ForgeAusdoes that mean I'll have to go Nvidia?06:49
ForgeAusor go AMD + ATI instead?06:49
MinatakuForgeAus: What kind of rent do you pay on that "Under a rock"? I've heard it's expensive06:49
intelikeyprobably not.06:49
MinatakuForgeAus: As a Linux user you should never have been ATI06:49
ForgeAuswell I'm only recently a linux user06:50
ForgeAusI WAS a windows user (and still consider myself partially as such)06:50
Dr_willisI agree.. but lately ive had decent luck with the few ati cards ive had..06:50
ForgeAuseven though my windows' are kinda dead right now06:50
Dr_williswhich is suprising06:50
ForgeAusif I fix up my partition problems they're likely to get working again06:50
intelikeyhe's a half breed06:50
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MinatakuI'm a multibreed06:50
ForgeAusI'm an equal opportunity OS enthusiast ok?06:50
i7chhi, can someone send me their /etc/apt/sources.list ? i've just rm'd mine.06:51
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MinatakuI'm an OS collector and Unix fanatic06:51
ForgeAusplus I conside Aros and BSD other OS's that I use06:51
ForgeAuswell I'm mostly new to the *nix side still overall06:51
MinatakuI gotta say06:51
MinatakuI _love_ CDE06:51
MinatakuMotif's look FTW06:51
ForgeAusyeah I knew that06:51
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ForgeAusI can't say as I like the diamond-shaped radio buttons06:52
intelikeyyou guys are so geeky06:52
ForgeAusnor the drop-down list boxes motif uses by default06:52
ForgeAusbut thats just aesthetics06:52
Minatakuintelikey: That's nothing, earlier someone was talking about hash as in drugs06:52
Red_Herringintelikey: durr06:52
MinatakuI said "Here's my hash" and gave them the MD5 hash of my nickname06:52
ForgeAusawww and here I thought you meant tables :)06:53
MinatakuNow THAT'S geeky06:53
i7chanyone, please? just send me your /etc/apt/sources.list , if you're running kubuntu 6.1006:53
ForgeAuswhy i7ch?06:53
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ForgeAusmost of mine is commented out!06:53
i7chForgeAus, i'm going to harvest all your secret passwords from it06:53
i7chi just deleted mine by accident :/06:53
Red_Herringno one remembers me06:53
ForgeAustheres gpg's in there but no passwords06:53
Red_Herringi was here early 06 helpin everyone outz06:53
ForgeAusich7 you got a kubuntu liveCD?06:54
ForgeAusif so copy the sources.lst from there06:54
ForgeAuseasy :)06:54
i7chForgeAus, possibly.. i guess i could get one from there, didn't think of it06:54
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i7chintelikey, thanks man06:54
ForgeAusi7ch :) its just one option06:54
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i7chRed_Herring, dude, early '06! i still remember those days.. you know.. everyone was obsessed about 24 and lost and CSI...06:55
Red_Herring24... rofl.06:55
Red_Herringanywayas who needs help06:55
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MinatakuRed_Herring: Nobody06:56
MinatakuWe helped them all06:56
MinatakuNo more left. Ever.06:56
Minataku(I wish)06:56
MinatakuNah, most Kubuntu users are fairly bright, I mean they switched in the first place, right?06:56
intelikeywell i think i need help      but i dont think you were offering that kind of help.06:56
MinatakuThere's obviously hope for them if they did that06:56
Red_HerringMinataku: i dunno06:56
Red_Herringi give out mostly kubuntu cds06:57
Red_Herringnot much ubuntu cds06:57
MinatakuI meant *buntu06:57
MinatakuIt gets annoying hitting the * all the time06:57
Red_Herringget used to it!06:57
intelikeyRed_Herring if i said i couldn't get grub to install do you think you could help me ?06:57
Red_Herringintelikey: more info06:57
i7chalso, anyone else noticed that azureus from the ubuntu reps has no notification icon? it's just a grey square.06:58
intelikeywell it won't install on this system.   root is on  sda    mbr is on hda06:58
crimsuni7ch: it's fixed in -proposed06:58
i7chcrimsun, what's "prposed"?06:58
Red_Herringintelikey: yeah06:58
MinatakuThe version nobody has06:58
Red_Herringthatll cause problems06:58
Red_Herringlets see06:59
Red_Herringhow to fix...06:59
ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto06:59
intelikeyyeah i know.   shame grub can't boot my box...06:59
Red_Herringtried all that?06:59
Red_Herringtried google/06:59
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intelikeyand the exotic stuff...07:00
Red_Herringcan you get the livecd runnin?07:00
i7chcrimsun, is that in backports?07:00
crimsuni7ch: no, it's in -proposed07:00
intelikeybut it won't help07:00
Red_Herringwhat happens when you run 'grub-install'07:00
i7chwhat the hell is -proposed?07:00
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intelikeytty24 [root@~]  grub-install /dev/hda07:01
intelikeyUnknown partition table signature07:01
intelikeyand it repetes 14 times07:01
intelikeyThe file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.07:01
intelikeytty24 [root@~] 07:01
intelikeyends with that ^07:02
Red_Herringwait so explain the hdd makeup07:02
Red_Herringyou have the boot hd on the IDE hd07:02
Red_Herringand the root hd on the sata hd?07:02
intelikeyok root is on   /dev/sda07:02
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Red_Herringintelikey: make a /boot partition in the boot hd07:03
intelikeymmm no can do.  it has another linux installed on it.07:03
crazy_busCan anyone help me fix a apt-get problem?07:03
intelikeyroot on /dev/hda07:03
intelikeyRed_Herring see i have no partitions.07:03
Red_Herringyou gotta have partitions07:04
intelikeyi don't use them.07:04
Red_Herringthats. how. hds. work.07:04
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intelikeywell i don't have any.07:04
MinatakuYou can put the GRUB Stage 1 on the MBR of one HDD and the rest on another07:04
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Minatakuintelikey: Your boot HDD must have a partition07:04
intelikeyMinataku yeah but grub can't boot a partitionless hd.07:04
intelikeyMinataku i have none.   not any partitions.07:05
MinatakuRed_Herring: You CAN put a filesystem on a raw device07:05
intelikeyyeas and lilo can boot it.07:05
Red_Herringtry lilo07:05
Red_Herringcuz yeah07:05
Red_Herringpartitions for the win07:05
Minatakuintelikey: Sounds like bullplop to me, unless you actually set it up so that the PC boots right from Cyl0 Track0 Head007:05
Red_HerringFringeJacket: pinggggg07:06
Jucatowow! Red_Herring? in here?!!? wow!07:06
Red_Herringim not allowed to say lilo in here?07:06
intelikeyMinataku you don't have to   lilo reads raw disk address    so it boots it just fine.07:06
Red_Herringyou's lagging FringeJacket07:06
intelikeybut grub uses bios to read files in   so it can't be used on a partitionless disk.07:07
Minatakuintelikey: The issue is that the BIOS needs an MBR to boot from07:07
intelikeythere is an mbr.07:07
MinatakuIf the filesystem is the entire device there's no MBR07:07
intelikeysure there is.07:07
Red_Herringthe mbr is just 512 bits07:07
Red_Herring512 Bytes07:07
Red_Herringso it cant take up THAT much07:07
intelikeythe very first 512 bytes of any disk.07:08
MinatakuI don't think the MBR is a reserved area, I think it has to be set aside07:08
Red_Herringits reserved07:08
Jucatoit's a reserved are07:08
Jucatoa.k.a. boot sector (iirc)07:08
MinatakuLearn something new every day07:09
Red_Herringit appears that FringeJacket has timed out07:09
FringeJacketwhat are you talking about?07:09
Red_Herringeither that or she just doesnt like CTCP-PINGs07:09
intelikeywell actually i think we cross bred two terms there.   the mbr is written in the boot sector07:09
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alex_I installed grub-splashes, but how do I change them?07:10
FringeJacketchill Red07:10
alex_I mean grub-splashimages07:10
MinatakuI don't use those07:11
FringeJacketremember... Gprs connection... gotta do things the slow way07:11
Red_Herringthats true07:11
MinatakuLast time I did, when it went wrong GRUB turned invisible XD07:11
intelikeyso Red_Herring did you decide you couldn't help me install grub ?   lol07:11
Red_Herringintelikey: try lilo.07:11
Red_Herringi dont think grub CAN do what you want it to07:11
MinatakuOr maybe LinuxBIOS07:12
intelikeyRed_Herring that's what i said to begin with   :)07:12
alex_Minataku: either way, how do I change the settings ( I want to change default OS and timeout time)07:12
MinatakuOr quit being a weirdo and partition your damn drives07:12
Red_Herringintelikey: ...have you tried lilo?07:12
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Red_Herringarg now i remembered why i ditched this channel.07:12
intelikeyRed_Herring yeah i use it all the time.  have too07:12
Minatakualex_: /boot/grub/grub.conf07:12
intelikeyi said that already.  i guess you missed it.07:12
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alex_Minataku: thanks07:13
Minatakualex_: np07:13
MinatakuJust remember07:13
intelikeybut you wanted to help someone...07:13
MinatakuIf it screws up and GRUB turns invisible it's still running fine07:13
MinatakuYou just can't see it07:13
intelikeyRed_Herring so i thought i'd offer to let you....07:13
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intelikey<intelikey> well i think i need help      but i dont think you were offering07:14
intelikey            that kind of help.07:14
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Red_Herringsweeet. rocketfeet07:15
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Red_Herringso who else needs help.07:16
intelikeywell  i have another issue.   ya want to hear about it ?07:18
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intelikeysu* won't work on this box07:18
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alex_Minataku: hey, the file grub.conf is not there07:19
Red_Herringvictor__: hi.07:19
intelikeythe asterisk being a wild card meaning anything07:19
victor__im having some issues with trying to run wolfenstein enemy territory07:19
intelikeywhat issues ?07:19
Red_Herringk go on07:19
Red_Herringintelikey: as in suse?07:20
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Red_Herringcuz if you wanna know about suse07:20
victor__when I try to join a server, for some reason, it will not download the content07:20
Red_Herringgo to.... you guessed it #suse07:20
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Red_Herringvictor__: do you have r/w privleges to your .et folder?07:20
victor__thats exactly what i was thinking07:20
Minatakualex_: Perhaps it's menu.lst ?07:20
victor__i just thought of that right now07:20
intelikeyRed_Herring mmmm actually suse wont run on here cause it's not installed, but that's not prezactly what i meant.07:20
victor__but i have another noob question07:20
alex_Minataku: lol07:21
alex_Minataku: thanks07:21
MinatakuI know I have both and one is a link to the other07:21
Red_Herring(btw 'sudo chown -R whateverurusernameis ~./et/'07:21
victor__if wolfenstein crashes, it locks the mouse up and i cant seem to get out of it07:21
intelikeyalex_ /boot/grub/menu.lst07:21
victor__in windows, i alt-tab and it brings me back to the dekstop07:21
victor__doesnt work in kde07:21
Minatakuvictor__: The mechanical Hitler getting his revenge, eh?07:22
victor__but otherwise07:22
victor__im very impressed with kubuntu07:22
Minatakuvictor__: Ctrl+Alt+F1, log in, "ps -A", look for the process, remember the PID, "kill PID"07:22
MinatakuIf that fails, "kill -9 PID"07:22
intelikeyvictor__ key combo    ctrl+alt+esc07:22
Red_Herringkillall et.x86 iirc07:22
Red_Herringor maybe its et.run07:22
MinatakuIf THAT fails, put head between knees and cry softly07:23
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victor__doesnt ctrl-alt-f1 bring me to a terminal07:23
victor__in full screen07:23
intelikeysee if you can kill the full screen....   if that don't work then more drastic mesures.07:23
MinatakuOr if you're not averse to restarting all of X, Ctrl+Alt+BkSp07:23
Red_Herringbut then you switch back by hitting ctrl-alt-f707:23
victor__thats cool07:23
victor__ok let me try to crash enemy territory07:23
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MinatakuThank... well actually, thank Microsoft for Virtual Terminals07:24
victor__if i leave without saying anything its becuase i wasnt able to get out of the lock07:24
MinatakuVTs came about in Xenix07:24
intelikeywhen did xenix come out ?07:24
MinatakuLong, long ago07:24
MinatakuIn a galazy far, far away07:24
MinatakuBut it was a long time ago07:24
intelikeyjust wondered  bsd gnu hurd and linux were all born with tty's    err not sure about bsd07:26
MinatakuThey all had TTYs07:26
MinatakuSince before Unix First Edition07:26
intelikeyi said born with.07:26
MinatakuTTY is short for TeleTYpe07:26
intelikeyunix is old.07:27
MinatakuNobody actually uses teletypes anymore but the name stuck07:27
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Minatakuintelikey: Very old07:27
intelikeythree days older than dirt.07:27
MinatakuAll the way back to the 70s at a little place called "Bell Telephone Laboratories"07:28
intelikeythey made unix vefore they made ice-water...07:28
intelikeyso Red_Herring about my su sudo kdesu gksudo not working....07:28
Red_HerringOHH THOSE su*s07:28
MinatakuThe definitive Unix timeline07:29
Red_Herringintelikey: whats the error when  you try 'sudo'?07:29
intelikeytty2 [greg@~]  sudo07:29
intelikeysudo: must be setuid root07:29
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victor__it didnt work07:29
victor__i made enemy territory crash07:30
Red_Herringintelikey: you didnt set yourself as a sudoer didja07:30
victor__by killing the process07:30
victor__and it looked like kde was stuck in "opengl mode" for lack of a better term07:30
victor__i couldnt move the mouse07:30
victor__and some of the hotkeys didnt work07:30
victor__like alt-tab07:30
intelikeyvictor__ if you have to kill it to crash it, aren't we running around in cycrles ?07:31
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victor__im confused07:31
Red_Herringintelikey: so you arent set to sudo are you07:31
intelikeyit is crashing on you    normally ?07:31
victor__i changed the permissions on the et folder07:32
intelikeyRed_Herring want to see my /etc/sudoers ?07:32
victor__so it should stop happening now07:32
victor__but what if in future07:32
victor__it crashes07:32
Red_Herringintelikey: sure07:32
victor__i want to be able to get out of it without rebooting07:32
intelikey# User privilege specification07:32
intelikeyALL     ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD :ALL07:32
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victor__im trying out some linux games07:33
Red_Herringintelikey: you crazy mate?07:33
victor__and so far there ok07:33
intelikeyvictor__ alt+SysRQ+R  and  alt+tab07:33
intelikeyRed_Herring no  why ?07:33
intelikeyor maybe why ?07:33
victor__whats SysRQ?07:33
intelikeyi guess so....  but why ?07:33
victor__the window key?07:33
Red_Herringdont use sysrq07:34
intelikeyvictor__ normally found with [print-screen] 07:34
Red_Herringintelikey: thats insanely insecure07:34
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intelikeyRed_Herring i don't think so...07:34
intelikeyand sysRQ+r   just resets the keyboard.07:34
Red_Herringthat anyone can do any root command at all on your system for no password?07:34
intelikeyRed_Herring did you not see the error...  and did you not hear that i couldn't use su* ?07:35
Red_Herringdidja edit it with visudo?07:35
Red_Herringand have you enabled su07:35
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intelikeyyea visudo    enable ?   i have no passwords...07:36
victor__any root command with any user without a password07:36
victor__your just asking for trouble07:36
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victor__like the time i accidently overwrote some libs with older versions07:36
intelikeyvictor__ hehhe i don't think so.07:36
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victor__i couldn't even use some basic commands07:36
intelikeytty2 [greg@~]  sudo su -07:36
intelikeysudo: must be setuid root07:36
intelikeytty2 [greg@~] 07:36
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victor__is there a way to reset X?07:37
intelikeydon't look dangerous to me...07:37
Red_Herringintelikey: boot in single user mode07:37
Red_Herringand run passwd root07:37
Red_Herringmake a password07:37
Red_Herringand then reboot back in normal mode07:37
intelikeyRed_Herring what for ?    no need to reboot for all that... that's what the root console is for.07:37
intelikeywhat shall i set the root passwd ?  how about   x07:38
intelikeyok the root passwd is now   x07:38
Red_Herringthat works07:38
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intelikeynow what ?07:38
Red_Herringrun su07:38
LaserJockanybody know if it's possible to add a "drawer" to the panel?07:38
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intelikeytty2 [greg@~]  su07:39
intelikeyChousuke: Authentication failure07:39
dbglt_can anyone here recommend some nice looking fonts for a laptop screen?07:39
intelikeyand yes i did type    x    correctly.07:39
Red_HerringLaserJock: kde or gnome =p07:39
dbglt_I used arial a lot on my desktop, but for some odd reason, doesn't look as good on the laptop07:39
Red_Herringdbglt_: deja vu07:39
LaserJockRed_Herring: kde, or I would have asked in #ubuntu ;-)07:40
Red_Herringintelikey: k i dunno wtf you did but i got no idea07:40
intelikeyi mounted the system  "nosuid"  :)07:40
JucatoLaserJock: no drawers. but there's a Quick Launcher applet07:40
intelikey /dev/root on / type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nogrpid)07:41
JucatoLaserJock: or a "hack": make a directory/folder that contains .desktop files for the programs that you want, then use the Quick FIle Browser applet and point to that directory.07:41
LaserJockJucato: Quick Launcher will probably work, just wanted to have a few often used apps without taking so much space on the pnel07:42
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JucatoLaserJock: kool. have fun :)07:43
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LaserJockJucato: trying, I'm usually a gnome guy but I periodically check the Kubuntu side out :-)07:44
intelikeyRed_Herring so with 'nosuid' and no passwds all accounts locked   i have init open one root console for me on tty24  in case i want/need to do any admin things  like start a gui for example...07:44
JucatoLaserJock: have you tried Katapult for quick launching of apps? (unless you don't consider typing as a quick way :P )07:44
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intelikeyRed_Herring are you plumb mad at me yet ?07:45
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Mightily-Oatshey all07:45
Mightily-Oatsunderdog5004: figured out how to change the default soundcard (or usb headphones)07:46
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intelikeyunderdog5004 left about an hour ago....07:46
Red_Herringintelikey: not quite07:46
Mightily-Oatsany one had experience with enemy territory and usb headphones.. or routing sound to another soundcard?07:46
intelikeyshould i mention another oddity Red_Herring ?07:47
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Red_Herringgo ahead07:47
LaserJockJucato: oh yeah, I forgot about that. I'm a big QuickSilver fan in OS X07:47
LaserJockJucato: how do I use katapult?07:48
JucatoLaserJock: press Alt+Space07:48
intelikeylike /usr and /local being  symlinks to /   /sbin being a symlink to /bin    meaning all executables are in /bin ....07:48
intelikeynot using 'alternatives' ....     not having /home or /root07:49
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LaserJockJucato: can you change Katapult settings somewhere?07:49
LaserJockJucato: sorry for the silly questions07:49
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LaserJockI should just go bug Hobbsee07:50
JucatoLaserJock: Katapult can have a systray icon for easy configs but someone hid it by default :P07:50
JucatoLaserJock: Alt+Space, Ctrl+C to bring up a pop menu07:50
LaserJockah perfect07:51
Jucatonah it's ok. I answer silly questions too :P07:51
intelikeyRed_Herring that's about all....    other than that and the fact that i reconfigured everything....   it's pretty much default.  :)07:51
intelikeytty2 [greg@~]  mem07:51
intelikeyMem usage: 14/249 MB (5%)07:51
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N9NU-|-LinuxHI. I have one addition question. I am on ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5.6/kubuntu/   and are looking for the 3.5.6 packages that have supposedly been uploaded, but all I have found were pool-edgy --- no Feisty folder07:52
N9NU-|-Linuxam i looking in the wrong place07:52
JucatoN9NU-|-Linux: just simply dist-upgrade in feisty and you'll have 3.5.607:52
Jucatono need to add a special repository07:52
N9NU-|-Linuxok.tnx. just getting used to doing the package thing upgade automatically is all07:53
Sohrab81hi guys07:53
Sohrab81I have a little q about beryl07:53
Jucato!beryl | Sohrab8107:53
ubotuSohrab81: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects07:53
poland-botTitle: The Beryl Project Index page (at forum.beryl-project.org)07:53
Sohrab81although it is general'07:53
Sohrab81I know07:53
abattoirthere's a new bot?07:54
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Sohrab81 but I just installed beryl from svn07:54
Sohrab81and I like to uninstall it07:54
HobbseeLaserJock: wha'ts htis now?07:54
JucatoSohrab81: how did you install it? compiled?07:54
LaserJockHobbsee: just bugging people here07:54
Hobbseepoland: please get rid of your bot.07:54
LaserJockHobbsee: got kubuntu-desktop installed07:54
Sohrab81the makeall script07:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about stats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:55
poland-botTitle: Ubotu factoids (at bots.ubuntulinux.nl)07:55
HobbseeLaserJock: nice07:55
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HobbseeJucato: poland07:55
Sohrab81the make uninstall dows not work07:55
JucatoSohrab81: if it's from a script, then it probably has an uninstall command. but it's not a "general question" because it's a script from Beryl. might want to ask in #beryl about it07:56
Jucatotsk tsk.. poland...07:56
LaserJockHobbsee: kmail is pretty darn cool07:56
HobbseeLaserJock: yes, assuming you're not using imap :)07:56
Sohrab81Jucato thanks anyway07:56
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LaserJockHobbsee: I am, and it's still better than evo07:56
HobbseeLaserJock: :)07:57
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LaserJockHobbsee: maybe not as good as Thunderbird, but decent07:57
intelikeydidn't take much did it ?07:57
intelikeyto be better than evo....07:57
intelikey!info kmail07:58
ubotukmail: KDE Email client. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2174 kB, installed size 6724 kB07:58
LaserJockyeah, I used evo all of like 5 min. I think07:58
LaserJockit ate my IMAP setup and I never looked back07:58
intelikeythunderbird it 50m installed  or something like that and kmail is 707:58
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Mightily-Oatsis there any way to disable a sound card so everything has to go through a different one?07:59
intelikeymaybe it was 30   i forget07:59
ubotuIf you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP307:59
intelikeydid you look there ^07:59
unix_infidelMightily-Oats: a simple way to is to just remove the kernel module drivers.07:59
unix_infideladmittedly not the best way.08:00
intelikeycrude but affective.08:00
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Mightily-Oatsintelikey: thanks... been googling everything i can think of08:00
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HobbseeLaserJock: it's got a rather nasty bug with selecting imap mails, i'm afraid08:00
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intelikeyMightily-Oats i'm not positive it's on those  but i think it is.08:01
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Mightily-Oatsunix_infidel: thanks but thats a bit too much.. i need both.. but just the ability to turn one off08:01
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unix_infidelMightily-Oats: that's what it'll do in essence.08:02
unix_infidelwhenever you need access to it again, just modprobe the correct module and it'll be on in less than a second.08:02
intelikeyand most apps have the ability to select the output    asound and alsa are your friends.08:02
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unix_infideli'd guess that's how "Disable" on windows works, unless its using some abstract hardware abstraction layer.08:02
crazy_busMy ext3 and ext3 mounted as ext2 filesystems have being losing files on me.  What can I do?08:03
Mightily-Oatsunix_infidel: oh... that might work.. how do i disable a module?08:03
Mightily-Oatsand i guess.. re enable it?08:03
intelikeycrazy_bus mounted as ext2 it's still loosing data ?08:03
unix_infidelmodprobe -r [module]  to "disable" modprobe [module]  to "enable"08:03
Mightily-Oatsintelikey: i used alsoconf.. it works for some things.. but others still default to the first card08:04
intelikeyMightily-Oats yes thats why i mentioned the app specific settings.08:04
intelikeycrazy_bus as heep mo' betta' n' good.  is to things that never fail to preform flawlessly,   that's  worser than awfulest...08:06
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Mightily-Oatsintelikey: i cant figure out the settings for some of the apps... but thanks08:06
Mightily-Oatsunix_infidel: if my cards an intel soundcard would the module to disable be snd_hda_intel?08:07
intelikeyMightily-Oats np.   and the docs do mention using asound-conf or something to turn one card off   iirc.08:07
unix_infidelMightily-Oats: if you want to do it with modprobe, yes if that's your module for your sound card.08:07
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unix_infideli would recommend doing it intelikey's way though.08:07
intelikeyMightily-Oats and   lsmod   lists modules that are inserted.... but you knew that.08:08
Mightily-Oatsintelikey: yep.. thanks08:08
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crazy_busintelikey: can you explain what you said to me?08:08
intelikeycat /proc/asound/cards08:08
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Mightily-Oatsi think id better explain better whats happening... ive been given a logitech usb headset and from what ive seen. it adds itself as a second soundcard08:09
intelikeycrazy_bus just that i feel for you. man.   i just can't reach you.08:09
Mightily-Oatswhich means i have to change the default card... i used alsaconf to do this and it works on some apps... but in testing everything i tried enemy territory and it wouldnt hold to the alsaconf setting08:10
intelikeyMightily-Oats the cat command will reveal the module  i think.08:10
intelikeycat /proc/asound/cards08:10
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Mightily-Oatsintelikey: that shows me the cards installed08:11
Mightily-Oatsboth the headset and normal card are listed08:11
intelikeyand module names ?08:11
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Phlostendoes anyone know if kmail has a better way of filtering imap messages? atm it downloads each and every new message before it moves it, very slow08:12
intelikeyminus snd-  of course.08:12
madboxhow do i install beryl on kubuntu?08:12
Mightily-Oatsdidnt doesnt look like it08:12
smaggardcan i like integrate amarok into my taskbar?08:12
intelikey!beryl | madbox08:12
ubotumadbox: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects08:12
madboxthx, problem though, do I read the ubuntu one..08:12
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madboxalso, I have just been confused because I tried installing it on my Ubuntu system but it never worked08:12
intelikeysmaggard does hitting the upper left [X]   not do that ?08:13
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madboxand now that I got kubuntu, and because it doesnt have XGL idk what to do..08:13
smaggardno i mean like be able to see whats playing and stuff still08:13
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smaggardbut yeah right now it will minimize to just the taskbar next to the clock and have just an icon which is ok i guess08:13
intelikeymadbox that's what the  Help in #ubuntu-effects   part is about.08:13
smaggardits ok if it cant be done its not that big a deal08:14
Mightily-Oatsthanks all... ill leave this sound prob and come back a bit later.. my heads about to explode08:14
intelikeysmaggard you should be able to see what's playing by hovering the mouse on it...08:14
smaggardyeh i know but i thought i saw some desktops with like a mini view of amarok in the taskbar08:15
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smaggardand also the controls08:15
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madboxthx intelikey08:15
intelikeyMightily-Oats if you catch crimsun around   i think he's the alsa guru...08:15
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intelikeyoooops too late.08:15
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crazy_busintelikey: got any suggestions on what I should do?  Install dapper-drake (keep in mind that my system wasn't deleting files until two weeks ago and I've had edgy installed since launch), get a new harddrive?  Use a different filesystem?08:16
intelikeymadbox np  yw08:16
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intelikeycrazy_bus i'd really take a long hard look at that hd.   it's not that the kernel 'can't' do that to you.  it just that it's exscreemly rare.   like hen's teeth chicken's lips or snake hips...08:17
intelikeyall three are pretty rare...08:18
crazy_bushow do I take a look at the harddrive?  I've done fsck, and fsck -c08:18
draikAnyone here recommend a good session recorder? Istanbul is a bunch of bull08:18
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intelikeycrazy_bus backup anything on it you want to keep and badblocks -w   that drive.  not a partition the whole drive.    not -w write mode is data destructive... it will need to run all night probably.  it will make maybe three passes over the whole drive...08:19
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intelikeycrazy_bus from a liveCD of course.    badblocks -wp 5 /dev/hda    or sda  or what ever it is.     you might find the problem that way.  and if not you will know for sure that it's not hardware.08:21
crazy_busintelikey: how do you use the badblocks command?  I typed badblock /pathofharddrive but it wouldn't work08:22
intelikeyjust like i typed it ^08:22
intelikeysudo it.08:22
intelikeysudo badblocks -wp /dev/hda08:22
intelikeyassuming hda for the disk address...08:23
intelikeysudo badblocks -wp 5 /dev/hda08:23
intelikeyforgot the number... it's getting late.08:23
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crazy_busdo I type -wp or -wp 5?08:23
intelikeyand on that note.  -wp 508:23
XenThraLis there a command that sets up all the default options back in the OS?08:23
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crazy_buscan you do the badblocks command on the kubuntu livecd or is there a better way?08:24
crazy_busbye I'll log out into the knoppix livecd now08:26
intelikeyXenThraL find ~/ -type d -exec rm -fr '{}' \; ;find ~/ -type f ! -name .bash* -exec rm '{}' \;08:26
XenThraL...is that rtfm ?08:27
intelikeythat's everything that the user has set.  system settings would be more dificult.    note that will also remove files in your home dir.   you said all back to default   i took you literally.08:27
XenThraLthink a fresh install would be better then08:28
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intelikeyif you didn't want an empty home dir you should say so.08:28
XenThraLurgh, its so annoying setting up firefox though08:28
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XenThraLand, reinstalling everything08:28
XenThraLscrew it, I'll just format08:29
madboxPlease enter the installation path of the Mozilla, SeaMonkey,08:29
madboxor Firefox browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla08:29
madboxdir= /usr/lib/mozilla08:29
madboxWARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.08:29
intelikeyyou can check out of the gui and do rm -fr ~/.kde    and reset most things08:29
madboxany ideas08:29
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intelikeyis it there ?08:30
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intelikeymadbox and i don't think you can use a space without a quote08:30
intelikeydir=" /usr/lib/mozilla"  <<< that would work too.08:30
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intelikeytty2 [greg@~]  win= bob08:31
intelikeybash: ./bob: Permission denied08:31
intelikeytty2 [greg@~]  win=" bob"08:32
intelikeytty2 [greg@~]  echo $win08:32
intelikeysee    ^08:32
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intelikeyQ= ls08:32
intelikeythere is a good test for that  ^08:32
intelikeytty2 [greg@~]  echo $Q08:33
intelikeyQ=" ls"08:33
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intelikeytty2 [greg@~]  echo $Q08:33
phobiacWhen I run a game in dosbox, after it starts and I click on the screen it grabs my mouse. Is there anyway to stop dosbox from grabbing the mouse?08:33
intelikeyphobiac in the configs   iirc.08:33
intelikeyin the dosbox  configs08:34
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shriramhas anyone setup an ATI mobility radeon x1300 successfully here?08:36
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madboxso whats great about kubuntu compared to ubuntu?08:37
madboxyes, its my first day on linux08:37
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VericMmm...Netsplits, fun.08:38
VericI have a Kubuntu related question...Sort of O_o think anyone can help?08:38
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hyper_chVeric: just ask :)08:41
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VericWell, I've heard it was possible to play WoW via WINE, does anyone know how this is possible?08:43
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Veric(I'm really new to Kubuntu, so please excuse my lack of understanding of the extremely technical Linux-related terms...)08:44
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hyper_chVeric: try http://www.ubuntuforums.org --> I think there is a howto for wine08:44
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hyper_chVeric: I mean for wine and wow08:44
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Jucatothere's also a #winehq channel08:45
aliasghermanPlease help me resolving a strange and interesting problem08:45
aliasghermanIt is regarding SFTP08:45
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aliasghermanwhen I connect to a computer via ssh or sftp command it works fine08:45
aliasghermanBut when I use the GUI interface then08:46
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aliasghermanSFTP says that it cannot communicate to ssh08:46
aliasghermanplease tell me how to resolve that issue08:46
Jucatoaliasgherman: sftp:/ in Konqueror?08:46
hyper_chaliasgherman: tried sftp in KFTPGrabber ?08:47
aliasghermanI tried08:48
aliasghermanSFP by pressing Alt+  F2 keys08:49
aliasgherman(RUN COMMAND)08:49
aliasghermanAlso tried it in konquerer08:49
aliasghermanbut it says (Error Talking to SSH)08:49
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aliasghermanNow I always have to use SCP command to transfer files08:49
Jucatohow about fish:/ in Konqueror?08:50
aliasghermanI donot know about fish? Please tell me its syntax08:50
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Jucatosame way you use other kioslaves, like sftp:/08:51
aliasghermanWait I am trying to do this08:51
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underdog5004fish //ipaddress/path/to/folder08:51
underdog5004aliasgherman, fish://ipaddress/path/to/folder08:52
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underdog5004just so you know08:52
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aliasghermanThankyou very much08:53
aliasghermanit is working08:53
aliasghermanand by the way.08:53
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Jucatofish:// worked?08:54
aliasgherman SFTP is working in Konquerer. But not working via RUN Command !08:54
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Jucatoit's not a command, although I think it should have opened in Konqueror if run that way08:54
aliasghermanYes ! Fish swims great :)08:54
underdog5004aliasgherman, just discovered fish the other day...it's so cool08:54
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underdog5004like ftp, but easier08:54
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Jucatosftp:/ and fish:/ both use SSH, afaik.08:55
aliasghermanNow my second question follows08:55
JucatoI just don't know the exact diff08:55
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aliasghermanWhen I tried to login into the PC (Kubuntu 6.10)08:56
ForgeAusGRRRR I am SOOO annoyed with my ISP08:56
aliasghermanI entered my password and Login08:56
ForgeAusgetting disconnected in the middle of a download is NOT a good thing08:56
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underdog5004ForgeAus, who you using?08:56
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aliasghermanit accepted and then the monitor blinked08:56
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aliasghermanand then the login screen was back .08:56
dbgltwget -c :p08:56
aliasghermanwhy is that so.08:56
JucatoForgeAus: kget?08:56
ForgeAusjust a private dude... he undercuts the cost for me08:56
underdog5004ForgeAus, oh yeah, I remember now08:57
ForgeAuskget was fine but sometimes theres downloads it doesn't detect the size of and stuff... so instead of resuming it restarts08:57
ForgeAusbut I'm not sure resuming is a good idea either08:57
ForgeAussee with thi sISP he uses a "mikrotik?" or something box that has a web-based login...08:57
ForgeAusand even when I'm using IRC any interent request returns a html page08:58
ForgeAusIt hink the html page (small as it may be) is corrupting my downloads08:58
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underdog5004ForgeAus, what kind of speeds are you getting?08:58
ForgeAusits only equiv to a 256 k connection but thats all I asked for/wanted08:58
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ForgeAusI'm more concerned about stability than speed08:59
underdog5004I get that08:59
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ForgeAusplus more speed means I fill up my hard drives quicker! lol08:59
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underdog5004ForgeAus, that's when you hit target for 20 dollar 200 gig hard drives...09:00
ubuntuhey all09:00
aliasghermanWhen I login to Kubuntu. The login screen vanishes and then reappers. How to solve this ?09:00
underdog5004of course...they fail in a few months....09:00
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ForgeAusI already have 2 160 gig drives09:00
ForgeAusI've had these for a long itme now09:01
ForgeAusI always buy good quality hard drives09:01
flowhat does this line nmi_watchdog=0 should do in the grub menu.list? what does'it meen?09:01
underdog5004lol, Seagates, right? I love seagate...and WD...Maxtor sucks09:01
ForgeAus(not sure exactly how I managed that but I was willing to pay and got good ones)09:01
ForgeAusyeah seagate...09:01
ForgeAusI defaulted to them after Quantum Fireballs09:01
ForgeAusin fact I even have a drive in my PC I can't even use!09:02
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ForgeAus(due to sata compatibility mode)09:02
underdog5004Fireballs live up to their name...09:02
ForgeAus(I can either have primary IDE, + secondary IDE  or sata + 1 IDE or sata + other IDE.... but not all 3)09:02
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underdog5004ForgeAus, that's lame...09:03
ForgeAusand since I'm dualbooting in 98 I need that compatibility mode09:03
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underdog5004omg...98? why!?!09:03
ForgeAushehe its ok just that I have one more IDE drive than my os's/bios can handle09:03
ForgeAusbecause I want to09:03
Lynoureunderdog5004: Games is a common reason09:03
ForgeAuswhats wrong with it?09:03
underdog5004XP is better than that!09:03
ForgeAusworks fine09:03
aliasghermanPlease consider this problem too.09:03
aliasghermanWhen I login to Kubuntu. The login screen vanishes and then reappers. How to solve this ?09:03
ForgeAusyes I have XP but my XP is broken right now09:03
ForgeAus(98 is my fallback)09:04
underdog5004ForgeAus, sucks09:04
underdog5004I mean, that sucks09:04
ForgeAusalias.. I have had that problem too09:04
ForgeAusin a virtual machine tho09:04
underdog5004aliasgherman, I don't know. I can't help you.09:04
ForgeAusit may mean your drive's full09:04
ForgeAusor it could be some other problem that I don't know about09:04
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aliasghermanOK, there is a hint. When i run the command users in console. it returns me User User. (Two User with the same name). Can this be linked ?09:05
underdog5004despite everyone's best assurances, I still believe that linux (kubuntu in my case) is still pretty buggy...09:05
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ForgeAusLynoure in my case its actually suprising games isn't the reason09:06
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ForgeAusI rarely use the 98 drive but it feels like a safety blanket...09:06
ForgeAusso I'm happy its there09:06
underdog5004ForgeAus, I use a DSL cd as a safety net...09:06
ubotuSetting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE09:06
underdog5004whoops...I meant Damn Small Linux09:07
tanlaananyone know of a script to change a fresh install of kubuntu into a fresh install of ubuntu? *it will be faster than downloading the iso of ubuntu, and i already have kubuntu*09:07
aliasghermanWell, if you talk about bugs. Then I have seen that usually right clicking a .odt file on the Desktop crashes the system. We have the same problem on four PCs in our office09:07
ForgeAuslol yeah I got that too09:07
tanlaanim expecting there to be like a shell script to do so09:07
ForgeAusand RIP linux09:07
ForgeAusand some other recovery/rescue CD09:07
underdog5004I love linux liveCD's09:07
ForgeAusme 209:07
ForgeAusI tried last night to get PXE up and running09:07
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underdog5004pxe? Is that network booting?09:08
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underdog5004Pre eXecution Environment?09:08
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ForgeAus(sorry got distracted I had a phone call)09:10
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ForgeAusyeah but the DHCP messed up my DHCP client address09:11
underdog5004what?! real life is more important than your online friends? you need to re-evaluate your priorities!09:11
ForgeAusso it kinda killed my internet... (till I uninstalle the server)09:11
underdog5004ForgeAus, that sucks09:11
ForgeAusrofl underdog09:11
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ForgeAusmaybe I need a DHCP relay instead... but what I really need is to understand the options better09:11
underdog5004ForgeAus, I generally have a konsole up on my desktop, but sometimes I close it...but when I do, I need it within 5 minutes...lol09:12
ForgeAustheres a PXE channel anyway09:12
ForgeAusrofl same09:12
ForgeAusI have to get used to running apps with a & on the end so I don't need to open new instances of the shell09:12
underdog5004I just don't get how people can work w/o a gui...even if just for pics on the interwebs...09:12
underdog5004ForgeAus, does & pipe it to the background?09:13
ForgeAusum I think & kinda is like a task switcher09:13
ForgeAussomething liket that not entirely sure09:13
ForgeAusit lets you continue using the console while the app runs along with it09:14
underdog5004ForgeAus, I see09:14
underdog5004very usefull09:14
ForgeAus(normally its a gui app you run with the & but can be others09:14
underdog5004but how to get back to it?09:14
ForgeAusalthough some come up with messages during your console session09:14
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ForgeAusthat much I aren't sure of09:14
ForgeAusI think I saw someone do it a long time back at uni09:14
ForgeAusso there is a way I'm pretty sure09:15
underdog5004I have to use killall to stop process like that...lol09:15
ForgeAusI just don't know how09:15
underdog5004ForgeAus, I prefer screen09:15
ForgeAuslol well you on'y put things there that you want to stay running09:15
underdog5004an old unix proggie, but very nice09:15
tanlaani know i can us "sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop" *somthing like that* to get something similar to ubuntu, but i want my computer to be identical to a fresh ubuntu install09:15
underdog5004ForgeAus, I use screen to keep rtorrent running on my server09:15
ForgeAusand if it eats up your console for a gui app its better to & it so you don't need to keep the console open/or can use it for other things09:15
ForgeAusI don't think I got rtorrent09:16
underdog5004tanlaan, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop09:16
underdog5004ForgeAus, in what fashion?09:16
tanlaanthank you09:16
ForgeAuswell if you run something.. say kdesu kate09:16
ForgeAusyou don't get a prompt back in your console09:16
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ForgeAusit just runs until you quit the kate app09:17
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underdog5004ForgeAus, right....09:17
ForgeAusbut if you use &09:17
underdog5004ForgeAus, no, I meant what didn't you get about rtorrent?09:17
ForgeAusno I meant I don't have that software not that I don't get it09:17
ForgeAusits obviously a bittorrent client or something of the sort09:17
JucatoForgeAus: strangely enough, some apps continue on running now...09:17
Jucatoif you launch them from the CLI without &09:18
underdog5004!rtorrent | ForgeAus09:18
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ubotuforgeaus: rtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-1 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 636 kB09:18
ForgeAusJucato I still get messages sometimes from some even with them running09:18
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ncurses - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:18
JucatoForgeAus: weird... what KDE version?09:18
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ForgeAusedgy with kde 3.5.x (not sure which x)09:19
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Jucatounless you added the repo from Kubuntu.org, that would be 3.5.509:19
underdog5004ForgeAus, ncurses is a tui (text user interface). It's a compromise between gui and cli09:19
ForgeAusahh .609:19
underdog5004I've got 3.5.609:20
ForgeAusyeah I added lotsa repos.. but removed lots 209:20
Jucatowell I still get some messages, but if I hit Ctrl+C in CLI or close Konsole, the app still runs09:20
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Jucatoat least for some09:20
ForgeAuscontrol C? ... I thought that was meant to quit the app09:20
Jucatosome just close09:20
ForgeAusId rather not do that09:21
Jucatothat's what I meant09:21
ForgeAusseems like some kinda discontinuity between cli and gui09:21
underdog5004I do killall process_name09:21
ForgeAuswhy kill all processes?09:21
ForgeAusoh the name09:22
ForgeAusif you know the process name thats kewl09:22
ForgeAusor the PID09:22
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ForgeAuskill is ok I guess but I'd prefer to quit them in the gui if they're gui apps09:22
underdog5004ForgeAus, and you can get that from top09:22
ForgeAusthat way cleanly gets you back to the prompt09:22
ForgeAusas for cli/curses apps I don't know how to switch back to them09:23
tearlow_Anyone with exceprience with NSF (Nintendo Sound File) that might be able to assist with Amarok?09:23
ForgeAusNSF? um I  heard of SPC for super nintendo09:23
underdog5004I was referring to cli apps09:23
ForgeAuswhich console is NSF? gamecube?09:23
tearlow_NES 8bit ;-)09:23
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XenThraLwhats the name of the module Monitor & Display in the universe?09:23
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XenThraLsays it can't load it09:23
underdog5004ForgeAus, I do screen, then the process, then I can exit the term and they'll keep running...to get back, I just type in screen -r09:24
underdog5004good stuff09:24
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ForgeAusinteresting underdog09:24
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ForgeAuswhats control Z do?09:24
underdog5004pauses, I think09:24
ubotuscreen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen09:25
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ForgeAushow do you "switch out" of an app like pico?09:26
tearlow_While using .xine the files sounds as they should but way too aplified it's like you've blown a speak but the mixer settings set alright...09:26
ForgeAusyou can quit it but can you multitask it?09:26
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ForgeAusyou could have multiple console sessions open thats one way to multitask with it09:26
ForgeAus(ok sorry I should say nano)09:27
ubotuText Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code09:27
ForgeAusgedit seems pretty generic to me09:28
underdog5004ForgeAus, I believe you can give each screen a name, then recall that name w/ -r... but I'm not sure...never needed to...09:28
Jucatoat first glance, it seems so. but it's *almost* as powerful as kate09:28
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ubotuProgramming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida09:29
ForgeAusJucato just in different areas?09:29
ForgeAusI like Kdevelop09:29
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JucatoForgeAus: yeah. Kate is still more advanced, not to mention more widely used09:29
ForgeAuseclipse is big but its good09:29
XenThraLCode::blocks is great09:29
ForgeAuspida I don't know anythinga bout09:29
Jucato(kate kpart is used in more areas than one)09:29
XenThraLcan anyone tell me the monitor & display module?09:30
ForgeAusvim (so I guess by default gvim) are popular like emacs...09:30
XenThraLthink I somehow uninstalled it09:30
underdog5004I like vim09:30
JucatoXenThraL: kde-guidance09:30
underdog5004much more intuitive that vi09:30
JucatoXenThraL: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-guidance09:30
ForgeAusbut personally I hate any editor that you can't type and delete, etc without switching modes...09:30
XenThraLthank you Jucato09:30
FringeJacketunderdog5004: thanks for helping me before, I got it loaded09:30
ForgeAuswith a gui involved I'm not sure how that changes things, I've never really tried them in gui09:30
XenThraLseems my major problem with linux is09:30
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XenThraLI keep breaking it09:31
ForgeAusXen, I have had that trouble too09:31
ForgeAusAdept seems to help tho09:31
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XenThraLI get very little done09:31
XenThraLI mostly just sit around and fidget until it breaks09:31
underdog5004FringeJacket, awesome!09:31
underdog5004FringeJacket, what did you have to do?09:31
XenThraLthen i gotta do a fresh install09:31
XenThraLthis is my 4th kubuntu09:31
ForgeAusXen not necessarily but a fresh install is an easy way to fix09:32
XenThraLeh, I tend to do those a lot09:32
ForgeAusme personally I found I learnt more about it if I didn't start fresh09:32
XenThraLcoming from windows09:32
ForgeAusbut I needed lotsa help (like from here) to do so09:32
notechsounds like a windows theory09:32
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XenThraLlong time windows user, just recently adapting to linux09:32
Jucatomore like a windows habit :)09:33
ForgeAusyeah same Xen09:33
Jucatotime to slowly get rid of those :)09:33
XenThraLand not adapting as much as looking at my problems with a hammer and seeing a bunch of nails09:33
ForgeAusi never had the habit of fresh installing under windows either09:33
XenThraLok, I just reinstalled kguidance09:33
ForgeAusbut then I had more of an idea what I was doing in windows... more used to it09:33
XenThraLcan I just ctrl+alt+backspace ?09:33
FringeJacketunderdog5004: I downloaded the whole thing again, and it fixed the one mistake09:33
FringeJacketit was missing spellchecker09:33
ForgeAusyou can if you want to log in again09:33
underdog5004FringeJacket, yay!09:34
XenThraLoh well, here it goes09:34
ForgeAusor logout from the kmenu09:34
underdog5004FringeJacket, so, how do you like linux so far?09:34
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FringeJacketunderdog5004: I checked my log files and I saw that it had an error in it at in regaurds to spellcheckr, and it got fixed09:36
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ForgeAuswb Xen09:36
XenThraLworked, thanks again Jucato09:36
FringeJacketunderdog5004: Red_Herring got me hooked, I would've never known the issue wuth xp09:36
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JucatoXenThraL: you're welcome09:36
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underdog5004welcome to the revolution, FringeJacket09:37
FringeJacketunderdog5004: I'm Katie btw, thanks again for your help09:37
underdog5004whoa...a girl!?! Using Linux?!?09:37
underdog5004ok, I know, that's an old joke...my gf uses linux (I got her hooked)09:37
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ForgeAuslol underdog09:38
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underdog5004FringeJacket, remember, you just gotta stick w/ it!09:38
KatieSa girl, a cs new major09:38
underdog5004cs == computer science?09:38
KatieSI'm sure there's a few girls in here right?09:39
crimsunsure. One of the core Kubuntu devs is a "she", too.09:39
underdog5004KatieS, the main secret to using this channel effectively is not even _hinting_ that there is anything feminine about you, otherwise you get pm'ed all over the place to cyber...lol09:40
Jucatothere are some who drop by once in a while09:40
Jucatoactually, the Kubuntu Community Manager is a girl09:40
crimsunyes, that would be the one I'm referring to ;)09:40
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crimsunSarah and her stick of doom09:41
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Jucatotoo bad she ain't here :P09:41
ForgeAusprobably too busy to IRC09:41
KatieSI thought so, I mean I know I'm a bit odd but still09:41
XenThraLcan someone say 'xen' real quick please?09:41
XenThraL(just to test highlight)09:41
Jucatoit's almost 8pm over there09:41
Jucatoxen ?09:41
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XenThraLdone, thanks09:42
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KatieSunderdog5004: I don't do much like a girl... I work on cars and work in the carpenter's shop09:42
Jucatoyeah! a girl who knows how to get the job done :)09:43
underdog5004I don't do much like a boy...I sit at my computer and kiss my gf...that's about it for my masculinity...09:43
underdog5004I have a feeling my facial hair is gonna come in any day now09:43
underdog5004so...on that happy note...09:44
Jucatoby any chance, does anyone know if the Ubuntu's Human icon theme have a blue version for KDE?09:44
KatieSunderdog5004: now if Icould only fix the fact that I have to use my stupid cell phone I'll be happy09:44
underdog5004what's wrong w/ skype (besides the non-portability?09:45
KatieSunderdog5004: how old are you?!?!?09:45
underdog5004hee hee hee09:45
KatieSJucato: yup, I'm aunique girl that way09:46
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KatieSunderdog5004: youmake me feel oooooooooold... and I do one thing here and there to make me girly,09:47
KatieSunderdog5004: but nevr cyber.09:48
ForgeAusum Jucato I think there is one09:48
dbgltI feel as if I have just walked into an AOL chat room.09:48
ForgeAusblubuntu would have one09:48
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XenThraLthink thats butcher then car repair :p09:48
ForgeAusbut I don't think you can change gnome apps' icon theme in kde09:48
JucatoForgeAus: there's a Human Azul, but none for KDE it seems09:48
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KatieSunderdog5004: I meant connecting through my cell phone... gprs style09:49
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underdog5004gprs? like a cell phone modem?09:49
ForgeAushow about tango?09:49
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Jucatoer.. no thanks :)09:49
ForgeAusno tangerine tango09:50
XenThraLI have a pretty specific problem09:50
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XenThraLI registered an extension, .cbp09:50
XenThraLcode blocks project09:50
XenThraLthing is, when I click on the file09:50
XenThraLit opens a new instance of code blocks09:50
KatieSunderdog5004: yeah, not like calling on a cellphone... cell phone modem09:50
JucatoForgeAus: the Tango icons in KDE-Look is a bit of a bother to install, from the looks of it09:50
XenThraLI want this second file to open in the already existing instance09:50
LynoureXenThraL: extention to what?09:50
XenThraLhow would I go about setting that up?09:50
XenThraLfile extension in conqueror09:51
ForgeAusI dunno how I got them then09:51
ForgeAusprolly one of the packages I got had it built in09:51
underdog5004KatieS, sounds pretty complicated...I know that most cell phone companies cripple their phones in that respect unless you pay them booku bucks09:51
ForgeAusI just can't stand ubuntu's brown/orange lol09:51
Jucatoneither can I lol09:51
XenThraLsame here09:52
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ForgeAusbut there is blubuntu09:52
Jucatobut I can easily turn GNOME blue anyway09:52
KatieSunderdog5004: I get 230.4 kbps most of the time09:52
dettoaltrimentiis it safe to delete any program in adept that ends in "-dev"?09:52
dettoaltrimentitheyre just things for programmers, right09:53
ForgeAusdettoal not ALL but to uninstall -dev's is often ok09:53
Jucatoyou can't "delete" programs in Adept.09:53
ForgeAussome apps require the -dev... few but some09:53
Jucatoyes they are used for compiling09:53
LynoureXenThraL: man for Code Blocks might give the command line for opening a file, and perhaps using that will help09:53
ForgeAusany particular -dev your looking to get rid of?09:53
LynoureXenThraL: (just guessing, never used the app)09:54
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XenThraLis there a '--f' flag of sorts that is generally used for this?09:54
ForgeAussomething like eclipse I know requires some -dev's09:54
LynoureXenThraL: That's why I recommended checking the man09:54
ForgeAusmono does too from memory...09:54
ForgeAusbut they're programming things09:54
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ForgeAusas for normal apps none that I can think of offhand09:55
LynoureXenThraL: man codeblocks  (or whatever the command for starting it is)09:55
ForgeAusCode Blocks?09:55
ForgeAusis that an IDE of some kind?09:55
XenThraLbuilt on wxWidgets09:56
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firecrotchcodeblocks manpage for those who don't have codeblocks: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/codeblocks.1.html09:56
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ForgeAusis there an app like visula or sanscript for Linux?09:57
firecrotchI don't see anything in there about opening something in an existing codeblocks instance09:58
firecrotchXenThraL:  Doesn't codeblocks have an Open File thing on the File menu?09:59
bxnpbut sanscript is allso availible for linux ForgeAus09:59
XenThraLyes, but it was more of a matter of learning how to set that up09:59
XenThraLrather then absolute necessity09:59
firecrotchAh, gotcha09:59
ForgeAusahh thanx bx :)09:59
ForgeAusit sprobably not free tho right?10:00
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bxnpyep its not free, but if you already worked with sanscript it would be the logical thing todo and buy the software10:00
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bxnpForgeAus: any experience making things with ajax10:01
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ForgeAusbxnp not as yet10:02
ForgeAusmostly just asp.net10:02
bxnpasp.net no php coding experience10:02
ForgeAusIt was on the PC's at uni I went to ... I kinda liked toying with it...10:02
ForgeAusnot sure what they used it for tho10:03
ForgeAus(sanscript that is)10:03
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ForgeAusnope no php10:03
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ForgeAusI'm looking into python/boo alot lately10:03
ForgeAusnot interested in perl10:03
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bxnpbtw is it just me i have huge lag10:04
XenThraL631 ms here (brazil)10:04
bxnp57 seconds and i am in holland10:05
bxnpwell no its 218 ms10:05
ForgeAus763 but I'm downloading other stuff and Australia here10:05
underdog5004how can I check lag time to the irc server?10:05
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bxnpdunno underdog5004 my client shows it10:05
ForgeAuskonversation tells you in the bottom RH corner10:05
underdog5004lol...I'm using xchat10:05
ForgeAusdifferent apps you might need to use the ping command10:06
XenThraLthink its an option in xchat10:06
XenThraLthat you have to enable10:06
XenThraLbut not 100% sure10:06
ForgeAusie /ping <user> or <self>10:06
KatieSbottom right corner10:06
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ForgeAusahh 1 sec... eek its getting worse!10:06
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bxnpanyone experience with ajax10:08
underdog5004getting about 48 ms10:08
bxnpyeah well me is at 5 at the moment10:08
devilsadvocateis there any way to disable apt-index-watch ?10:08
KatieSy'all, I've got 30s.... be happy10:09
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ForgeAuscode blocks looks great!10:09
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ForgeAusany better and it'd rival  sharpdevelop! lol10:10
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carefreecameldo I need to use a lighter or a match on my computer for the firewall to start?10:13
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underdog5004carefreecamel, no.10:13
ubotuUbuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).10:13
carefreecamelunderdog5004, is there a switch that lights it?10:14
carefreecamelunderdog5004, I looked at the inside but I see nothing10:14
underdog5004carefreecamel, no. Use the iptables command10:14
carefreecamelunderdog5004, it won't burn me will it10:14
carefreecamelunderdog5004, where do the flames come out of, the front?10:14
carefreecamelunderdog5004, the front of the case?10:14
underdog5004!offtopic | carefreecamel10:15
ubotucarefreecamel: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!10:15
carefreecamelunderdog5004, nevermind I do see the penguin holding a match on the website of firestarter, so I take this as a hint, I need a match10:15
underdog5004Or I could call the ops.10:15
carefreecamelunderdog5004, I will download the pdf instructions10:15
underdog5004good plan!10:15
carefreecamelmatchmaker matchmaker make me a match10:15
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about spam - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:16
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about camelmeat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi10:16
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ubotuPlease investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...10:17
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crazy_busI typed sudo badblocks -wp5 /dev/hda1 and it didn't come up with any messages.  Does that mean I don't have bad sectors?10:17
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_4strOyop yop10:21
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bxnpi hate lag10:23
KatieSmeeeeeeeee too10:24
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Fleebailey66didnt know i could do that10:31
Fleebailey66not enough sleep for to long10:31
Bxnplol @ ForgeAus :)10:31
ForgeAusdo what?10:32
Fleebailey66change topic10:32
Fleebailey66or it said i did10:32
Fleebailey66you were to busy casting spells10:32
ForgeAuswell all you need for tha is op privileges10:32
ForgeAusor perhaps a channel service (depending on the network)10:32
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underdog5004how exactly does one _get_ op privs?10:33
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ForgeAusunderdog it gets granted10:33
ForgeAusby people if they know you/care10:33
ForgeAusbut if I were you I'd rather not have ops10:33
ForgeAusless politics and problems10:33
underdog5004yeah...I'd prob screw something up.10:33
ForgeAushehe nah but you woul dprobably be able to moderate the channel which is something I'm VERY MUCH against...10:34
jordo23Whenever I click on a download link in Konqueror, it either downloads the file to Kate, or if I shift-click it always tries to download file download.php......how do I fix this?10:34
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ForgeAusI can see how its useful quite breifly in some extreme situations tho10:34
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ForgeAusjordo, perhaps use firefox instead?10:35
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underdog5004ForgeAus, you're against moderation?10:35
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ForgeAusIRC channel moderation? yes very much against it10:35
jordo23I'm not switching to Firefox.....10:35
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jordo23Konqueror rules....10:36
ForgeAusduring times of channel moderation only operators (or people with + voice mode) can speak10:36
ForgeAushehe jordo I agree konqueror is great10:36
ForgeAusbut I don't think it handles that kind of link well10:36
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ForgeAusthere may be a way to get it to, but if so I'm not aware of it10:36
jordo23ForgeAus: Ive seen it work.....I just reinstalled Edgy, need to get it back to how it was...10:37
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underdog5004ForgeAus, I think if you register your nick you get +e privs10:37
underdog5004not sure what that means, though.10:37
ForgeAusthats different10:37
ForgeAusthats a channel services mode10:38
ForgeAusor network mode or something10:38
ForgeAusperhaps even user mode10:38
ForgeAusbut its not a channel mode10:38
ForgeAus(I think it just lets you use /msg's)10:38
underdog5004ah. I'm un-learned-ed when it comes to irc stuff10:38
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ForgeAuswell strictly +e isn't really about irc is more about freenode I think10:39
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aliasghermanHow to search for different IRC channels ?10:42
aliasghermanany command ?10:42
Hobbsee /list10:43
ForgeAusyou can use /list10:43
ForgeAusbut I don't recommend it if theres a web based list10:43
ForgeAuswww.freenode.net might have one10:43
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ForgeAusor is it .org?10:43
Hobbseeunderdog5004: magic10:43
ForgeAusthe /list command generates lots of traffic...10:44
Hobbseeyes.  there's lots of channels10:44
ForgeAusnot so bad on smaller networks but on big IRC nets it can be problematic10:44
ForgeAus(you might get disconnected from the irc server before the list is even complete!10:44
underdog5004Hobbsee, lol, seems like all the internets run on magic...10:45
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ForgeAussometimes whne it works it seems like that :)10:45
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KatieShow about people just suggest their favorites?10:48
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underdog5004I like Single White Mochas with Whipped Cream10:49
underdog5004That's my favorite10:49
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nuxilhi all10:50
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nuxilcan you help me with xgl and berly ?10:51
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects10:51
nuxili cant start my X as a user..10:51
nuxilonly as root10:51
nuxilits always fun to irc as root :P10:51
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underdog5004nuxil, I've got no experience w/ beryl or Compiz or xgl...sorry10:51
nuxilunderdog5004, ok10:52
Jucatonuxil: might want to try #ubuntu-xgl for help10:52
Thari have problem with apt10:52
Tharis this the right place? :P10:52
Tharok, so10:52
Jucatoask away10:52
nuxilJucato, #ubuntu-xgl == #ubuntu-effects and im already there10:52
Tharwhe i try to download packages or sth10:53
nuxilJucato, thery are asleep :\10:53
Tharit always resolves IP adress of repo as localhost10:53
underdog5004Thar, pastebin your sources.list10:53
Jucato!pastebin | Thar10:53
Jucatoubotu: ping10:54
nuxilThar, check you resolv.conf maybe ?10:54
luca_bnuxil: I would folllow the instructions on the Beryl wiki to set up XGL10:54
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jordo23Jucato: Whenever I click on a download link in Konqueror, it either downloads the file to Kate, or if I shift-click it always tries to download file download.php......how do I fix this?10:54
nuxilluca_b, i did it10:54
Jucatojordo23: what site is it?10:54
jordo23Jucato: It's the AERO AIO link on KDElook10:55
jordo23the download link10:55
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Jucatoah KDE-Look... notorious...10:55
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jordo23tries to download file "download.php" or open the binary in Kate10:55
Jucatojordo23: hm... tried right-click Save Target As?10:55
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jordo23yeah....tries to save download.php10:55
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Jucatojordo23: otherwise, try to install KGet, and use it as your download manager for Konqueror10:56
JucatoI believe that solves the roblem10:56
ForgeAusare alll .tgz's slackware packages? or not?10:56
jordo23Jucato: I have Kget running.....10:56
Jucatojordo23: is it integrated w/ Konqueror?10:56
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ForgeAusI know slackware binaries copy over fine into kubuntu but things like configuration and source are different stories......10:56
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luca_bForgeAus: most of them, but some people also use .tgz for source packaging10:56
Jucatojordo23: KGet -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Advanced tab -> Use KGet as download manager for Konqueror10:57
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ForgeAus(and as to if the binaries run or if they need other files is another story too)10:57
ForgeAus(ie I still havn't got gslapt up and running lol)10:57
jordo23Jucato: Yeah.....already selected.....10:57
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ForgeAusits probably dangerous to use it even if I do get it working10:58
Jucatojordo23: can you give me the URL to that page?10:58
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luca_bForgeAus: just asking, why do you want to use Slack packages on *ubuntu?10:58
ForgeAusluca some of the packages I downloaded (forgot what for now) but they were slackware ones10:58
jordo23Jucato: Then click on the download link...10:59
ForgeAusso I just copied over installpkg (pkgtools) and it worked!10:59
ForgeAusbut that was because it was a binary...10:59
luca_bForgeAus: and perhaps a statically linked one10:59
ForgeAussource ones are um... a different story...10:59
Jucatojordo23: yeah I can confirm that.10:59
jordo23KGET wont download it from the url address either....10:59
luca_bForgeAus: when you start to dive in the mattsrs of shared libraries, you get problem10:59
lervadoes kubuntu come with some ftp client??10:59
ForgeAusas long as your careful you may be able to use .tgz's but don't expect it to work! lol10:59
jordo23Jucato: explain.....10:59
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jordo23same thing happen to you?11:00
ForgeAusluca I need a few symbolic links11:00
Jucatojordo23: faulty PHP is the only thing I can think of11:00
ForgeAusxfree and xorg don't always put things in the same place...11:00
luca_bForgeAus: I wouldn't try, I almost messed up my box just by using normal packages alone11:00
jordo23Jucato: Are you able to download the file?11:00
ForgeAusbut other than that... not too much trouble sofar11:00
Jucatojordo23: in kget, click on the paste button and paste this: http://aerolinux.free.fr/aero_aio.skz11:00
ForgeAushehe luca I've been there done that11:00
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Jucatojordo23: no. I'm experiencing the same thing as you11:00
ForgeAusmessed up with ubuntu packages11:00
luca_bForgeAus: actually xorg changed the position of X11R6 directory11:00
ForgeAusbut also fixed up messed ubuntu packages11:00
ForgeAuswell it exists in both locations11:01
DanzikErm, how do I update my display drivers?11:01
malikmy god i have never seen more than 350 nicks in kubuntu channel but there are almost 850+ nicks in ubuntu11:01
ForgeAusits just the bits of it underneath aren't um synchronized11:01
ForgeAus(nor should they be I take it)11:01
luca_bDanzik: depends if you need to update or not, what card do you have?11:01
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jordo23Jucato: Yeah....that worked.....11:01
ForgeAusubuntu's popular :)11:01
luca_bForgeAus: fglrx bailed out once because of that11:01
jordo23Where'd you get the link?11:02
Danziknvidia.  I have the drivers on my desktop but, it gives me the following message in terminal11:02
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Danziksh: Can't open NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run11:02
ForgeAusluca to be honest I'm having trouble with linux and numbers... versions, etc...11:02
ForgeAusits all so... depenant11:02
jordo23Jucato: Where'd you get the link?11:02
ForgeAusbut once I learn more about it I might be able to understand it better...11:02
Jucatojordo23: when it tries to open the link in Kate, a little dialog box will popup, trying to download it first before opening in Kate. I just very quickly copy the URL in that box and paste it in kget11:03
ForgeAusawww luca left!11:03
malikso can i ask this question and it may be a tupid one but .......... whats the reason behind more ppl using ubuntu than kubuntu?11:03
ForgeAusmalik popularity11:03
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ForgeAusubuntu's the name most people know and since kubuntu is based on it...11:03
ForgeAusfewer people are aware of kubuntu11:03
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ForgeAusat least in theory11:04
ForgeAuswb luca11:04
luca_bForgeAus: XGL crash - glad I have also the regular Xorg running11:04
ForgeAusdid you ubuntu-ize your slackware or something?11:04
jordo23Jucato: Yeah.....it's just that specific link.,..11:04
jordo23Jucato: I tested some others....11:04
Tharmalik: also, most ppl thing gnome is a 'lightweight', compared to kde11:05
Jucatoyep. I find KDE-Look notorious for those kinds of links11:05
luca_bForgeAus: was saying that especially with libraries, application programming interfaces (APIs) and application binary interfaces (ABIs) sometimes change11:05
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KatieSmalik personal choice11:05
ForgeAusJucato sure is11:05
maliki havent tried ubuntu that much only for few days and then i went back to fedora but then i got sick of em releasing new version every six mnths and i cudnt be bothered downloading 5 cdz every now n then, so i decided to try kubuntu and so far i am liking it11:05
luca_bForgeAus: therefore mixing programs that rely on different versions of a library can lead to uhm... trouble?11:06
ForgeAuschange is good... but you have to be dynamic enough to handle the change in other areas11:06
ForgeAusthats the problem11:06
jordo23Jucato: Why is it that ARK never opens an archive file without giving me errors.....the file still extracts.....but I get an error and a dialog EVERY time...11:06
luca_bJucato: I usually use KGetHotNewStuff to avoid problems with the *-apps pages11:06
Jucatojordo23: dunno...11:06
Jucatoluca_b: some apps/themes aren't accessible through KGHNS... like superkaramba themes11:07
luca_bjordo23: which type of archive?11:07
DanzikHmm...what does this mean?  "sh: Can't open NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run"11:07
luca_bJucato: you mean, some of them?11:07
Jucatoluca_b: I think so. can't remember exactly... been a while since I used SK..11:07
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luca_bDanzik: why do you need to upgrade your drivers? I'm not trying to discourage you, just telling it that with drivers "if it' ain't broke, don't fix it"11:08
Jucatobut icon themes, mouse cursor themes, color schemes, you can't get those from KGHNS iirc11:08
luca_bJucato: I got some of my themes via that11:08
luca_bJucato: yes you are right11:08
luca_bJucato: but for SK it works, though it bombs sometimes11:08
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DanzikIt seems to only allow me to choose 1024x768 rez11:09
maliksee thats what i mean , one cannot even join the darn #fedora channel without a registered nick, not a biggie but still a pain11:09
luca_bDanzik: that is not a driver issue, more like a configuration issue11:09
dettoaltrimentiDoes KDE only work with the x-window system?11:09
lervahmm.. what seems to be problem since my programs seem to close themselfs automatically sometimes... adept closes every now and then...11:09
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luca_bdettoaltrimenti: currently, yes, or with something that provides X1111:09
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luca_bdettoaltrimenti: we will see for KDE 411:10
DanzikI see11:10
Tharit seems to work on windows (partially)11:10
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Tharand since win doesn't have x11...11:10
dettoaltrimentiis there another alternative besides KDE and gnome, that is less resource intensive? I have a very bad computer11:10
jordo23Jucato: tar.gz11:10
Jucatojordo23: luca_bwas the one asking11:11
luca_bdettoaltrimenti: XFCE (on Xubuntu by default), fluxbox, blackbox11:11
jordo23luca_b: tar.gz11:11
Thardettoaltrrimenti: also windowmaker, fvwm11:11
Tharfvwm-crystal looks pretty nice, and consumse minimal of system resources11:11
luca_bjordo23: I think I lost something on the way, can you recap?11:11
KatieSnight all11:11
malikmultimedia-wise which distro is better?.........kubuntu or ubuntu?11:11
luca_bmalik: they have the same foundations, so they're equal IMO11:12
Tharboth are bad11:12
dettoaltrimentiand is there a terminal command I can use to stop kde and replace it with xfce? once i've downloaded it, I mean- or do I have to change some system file11:12
Tharsince in both you must use programs with gtk and qt11:12
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malikThar: so what u think which other linux flavour is better?11:12
Thardettoaltrimenti: you must change session on startup11:12
jordo23luca_b: Ark geeps giving me errors on .tar.gz files vbut still extracts them fine.....just ALWAYS get a dialog box and error warning...11:13
Tharmalik: noone...11:13
Jucatoluca_b: oh yeah, SK has the KGHNS too... but right now.. it ain't working for me...11:13
Tharas far as programmers of multimedia apps use differend libs11:13
Tharno desktop environment is better11:13
dettoaltrimentiwill the session 'xfce' or 'fluxbox' show up automatically after I have downloaded it?11:13
luca_bThar: I use kaffeine (video) and amarok (audio), both QT apps11:13
Tharluca_b: yes, but it is a 'normal' set off apps11:14
Thari mean, something for music, something for films11:14
malikcan we run amarok on ubuntu?11:14
Thargnome have it's own apps for that11:14
ForgeAusok of course you can11:14
Jucatomalik: yes11:14
Tharbut by multimedia-oriented distro, i understand something like ubuntu-studio will be...11:15
dettoaltrimentimalik- amarok is definately the best audio player- it works perfectly with ipods11:15
ForgeAusJucato does ubuntu have qt libraries? (the same way kubuntu has gtk right?)11:15
JucatoForgeAus: nope. quite unfair, eh? :P11:15
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ForgeAusin fact what of Gnome can't kubuntu run?11:16
ubotutime: The GNU time program for measuring cpu resource usage. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7-21 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 144 kB11:16
Jucatothe only reason Kubuntu has GTK libs is I think for gtkpod and amarok11:16
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Tharamarok... isn't it written in qt?11:16
ForgeAuswhats gtkpod?11:16
ForgeAusum written in qt?11:17
Jucatoyes Amarok uses Qt. but I think it needs gtkpod for iPod support11:17
ForgeAusah Jucato I see11:17
Tharexactly: lol oO11:17
ForgeAusthat answers my question11:17
ubotugtkpod: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.4-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 481 kB, installed size 1992 kB11:17
malikso amarok is basically gnome based app fitted in kubuntu?11:17
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about libgtkpod - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:17
Jucatobut I'm not 100% sure anyway11:17
luca_bit only uses the lib AFAIK11:17
Tharmalik: no11:18
Jucatomalik: no11:18
Tharit's qt- based, as kde is11:18
luca_b(but I don't know, I don't own an ipod)11:18
Tharit use lib written in gtk, though11:18
Tharfor manageing ipods11:18
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JucatoAmarok is KDE/Qt. but it uses gtkpod, an already existing program, for iPod support11:18
Tharsorry for my engligh...11:18
Jucatorather than reinvent the wheel11:18
malikso amarok will be more happy in KDE than Gnome?11:19
Jucatoof course11:19
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Jucatobut again, I'm not 100% sure on the Amarok-gtkpod thing11:19
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dettoaltrimentidoes openoffice use myspell? If so, do any programs in kubuntu use ispell?11:19
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ubotuTo install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository11:20
ForgeAusispell aspell myspell... we all spell?11:20
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luca_bdettoaltrimenti: KDE can set a spell checking engine11:20
luca_bapp-wide AFAIK11:20
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ForgeAus1 spell to rule them all :)11:21
luca_bForgeAus: most programs use aspell now11:21
luca_bForgeAus: AFAIK ispell is bound to disappear11:21
Tharbut still, anyone cen help me eith my apt? :] 11:21
luca_bThar: I lost the pastebin11:22
ForgeAusluca sounds ok... if it doesn't stop old things from working11:22
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malikone probs guyz when i goto root folder no longer there are hidden files .........everything is visible ........before i had to click on show hidden files to see the contents of the root folder apart from home and media folders in root folder.........any idea what is causing this?11:22
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swamihmm  anyone knows a humn interface fpr workong with sockets...11:22
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swamia developer tool11:23
ForgeAusmalik your running as a user not as root11:23
dettoaltrimentiluca_b do you know is there any difference performance wise between ispell and myspell?11:23
ForgeAusshow hidden files shouldn't be the default anyway11:23
luca_bThar: what do you get if you type "host security.ubuntu.com"?11:23
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ForgeAusunless you set it that way11:23
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luca_bdettoaltrimenti: unsure, I spell check by hand or have someone check it11:24
Tharsecurity.ubuntu.com has address
luca_bit resolves11:24
malikForgeAus: yes but i dont want to see all the tree of root folder in koqi sidebar11:24
luca_bThar: odd, want to post the output of sudo apt-get update on pastebin?11:25
Tharyeah, i'm already doing that :] 11:25
malikForgeAus: i just want to see the Home and Media folders in root tree in konqi sidebar........any idea how can i go back to that?11:25
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ForgeAusrun it from super user account?11:27
Tharluca_b: i'm using polish langapack... so unfortunately apt talks to me in polish11:27
ForgeAus(ie login as root or use kdesu konqueror from console)11:28
luca_bThar: easy, just do11:28
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Tharbut sense of all is visible, without knowing that language :] 11:28
luca_bThar: "LC_ALL=C sudo apt-get update"11:28
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luca_bit will defautl to English, and only for that command (so it won't mess up your locale)11:28
ForgeAuswhat are emblems?11:29
Tharhere it is11:29
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luca_bThar: any proxies set up?11:30
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luca_bThar: looks like it though11:30
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Thari know11:30
luca_bThar: nothing about your ISP on this?11:31
Tharwell, today is saturday, so i won't contact anyone11:31
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Tharbut... just hinking...11:31
Tharif it would be something about proxy...11:31
ForgeAuseek saturday ... I keep forgetting you guys on the other side of the world!11:32
ForgeAusits Sunday here!...11:32
ForgeAuslate Sunday11:32
luca_bForgeAus: sme11:32
luca_bForgeAus: not so late here though11:32
Tharor other things, it would mess up all internet apps, arent it?11:32
TharForeAus: the same with me... i'm forgetting too :P11:32
ForgeAusunless yesterday wasn't saturday or I'm forgetting something lol11:33
luca_bThar: yes11:33
lervaI'm using kubuntu on my laptop... touchpad is way too sensitive. Do you know any program which can adjust that?11:33
Thar...including konversation, wich i use now11:33
Tharswiftfox for pastebin, etc11:34
luca_bThar: but proxies are handled differently by different applications11:34
masterkcan someone help me install kismet?11:34
ForgeAusbut then it HAD to be saturday then because I watched MutantX on Foxtel which is only on Saturday11:34
luca_bI mean, there are different configs11:34
masterkit says i need to configure it..11:34
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ForgeAusI already got firefox and seamonkey I don't think I want swiftfox 211:35
luca_bThar: cat /etc/apt/apt.conf11:35
luca_bin pastebin11:35
luca_b(I'm trying to diagnose this)11:35
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luca_bThar: also cat /etc/wgetrc11:36
Tharyou sure in pastebin...? it's one line only11:36
luca_bif not, just paaste here11:36
DanzikHmm...Still the same rez11:36
luca_bif it's this short11:36
TharAPT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";11:36
luca_bThar, ok, that rules it out11:36
luca_blet's see wgetrc11:37
dettoaltrimentiis any part of gnome required for running KDE? I have a lot of gnome libraries even though im not running it11:37
luca_bdettoaltrimenti: no, but some GTK apps installed on your system may need them11:37
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ForgeAushmm wget kget gwget... all to*get*her now...11:37
Thar...should i try wget works? :)11:38
luca_bThar: ok, let's do the large and man-killing thing11:39
luca_bit will produce a  LARGE output of test so be prepared11:39
luca_bThar: LC_ALL=C sudo strace apt-get update11:39
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ForgeAusis Feisty going to use that nuvola or Nuovext or whatever icon theme?11:40
luca_bForgeAus: unsure, I'd love Oxygen personally11:40
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ForgeAusoxygen, dunno that one11:41
luca_bForgeAus: theme for KDE4, not yet releaed11:41
luca_bForgeAus: http://oxygen-icons.org for a preview11:41
ForgeAusoh thats why I hadn't heard of it11:42
ForgeAusfeisty won't be kde4 for a long time most likely11:43
luca_bForgeAus: yes, but the icons could be used11:43
ForgeAushehe *could*11:43
ForgeAustheres a few herds to come11:43
luca_balso because Nuno Pineiro and Kenneth Wlmer from Oxygen team are in charge of Feisty artwork11:43
ForgeAusJucato said there are 6 in total expected (theres already at least one)11:44
Tharprobably stupid question... how to deal with output not suiting konsole window?11:44
luca_bThar: let me check11:44
Thari mean, it's large11:44
Tharand scrolling up makes it only to some moment11:45
snowricharduse less or more ?11:45
binksok quick q. is it safe to upgrade to fiesty from edgy yet11:45
luca_bThar: LC_ALL=C sudo strace apt-get update 2> somefile.txt11:45
luca_bbinks: nope11:45
binksok ill stick with edgy cheers11:45
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ForgeAusI like edgy :)11:46
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binksi admit edgy is by far the best os i have ever used11:46
DanzikSo, if I want to edit my config file, how do that?  It won't let me from the Gui11:46
snowrichardI'm running the 64 bit version on here, works fine11:46
binksand trust me ive tried a few11:46
luca_bThor: better yet LC_ALL=C sudo strace apt-get update &> somefile.txt11:46
ForgeAusum is Kde going to implement .ico support?11:47
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ForgeAusand/or gnome emblems?11:47
ForgeAus(two simple/easy addons, depending on the way they manage them I guess)11:47
luca_bDanzik: you can set resolution from system settings I think11:47
DanzikIt only gives me three options11:47
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binksyou need to edit xorg.conf i think to add more resolutions11:48
ForgeAusand your video card/monitor has to be able to handle them11:48
binkswell of course my dear watson11:49
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luca_bThar: argghh, still no clue, try use wget11:49
binksi have the biggest redbull and vodka hangover of all time11:49
ForgeAuslol no **** sherlock11:49
luca_bThar: it works?11:49
MezForgeAus, .ico - it already sort of does ... but why would you want bitmaps for icons11:49
luca_bThar: ah!11:50
Mezand gnome emblems, arent they just svgs ?11:50
Tharalso trying to download from localhost11:50
ForgeAusMez I don't but it would make wine easier11:50
luca_bThar: can you do the trick again?11:50
MezForgeAus, ah yes, true indeed11:50
luca_bThar: LC_ALL=C strace wget URL &> somefile.txt11:50
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luca_bwhere URL is where you want to get it11:50
luca_bThar: also do ls ~/.wgetrc11:50
luca_band see if it lists something11:51
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luca_bThar: also sudo ls /root/.wgetrc11:51
waylandbillbinks: redbull and vodka together? doesn't sound tasty. I had some mudslides myself last night, so the stoli got some use.11:51
binksredbull and vodka is great on the night but ill pay all day for it my dancing was like REALLY dancin i was john travolta last night11:52
luca_bThar: last but not least "echo $http_proxy"11:52
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Tharoutput from strace wget11:53
Tharthose two says that there is no such file11:54
luca_bThar: aha! "Error parsing proxy URL http://localhost:4001"11:54
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voicuuh, any sniffing programs for linux? it's for... research purposes :D11:54
Tharand echo $http_proxy points at localhost:400111:54
luca_bThar: there! That's why!11:54
underdog5004good night, all11:54
underdog5004or, good morning11:54
luca_bThar: try doing export http_proxy=""11:54
luca_bthen apt-get update as normal11:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about sniff - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:55
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about sniffing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi11:55
luca_bvoicu: ethereal is what you need11:55
Tharluca_b: works now :D11:55
voicuok, thanks luca_b11:55
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luca_bThar: should have figured sooner... command-line tools use that as proxy11:56
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Tharany thoughts why? yesterday it was fine and working11:57
luca_bThar: have you set it unintentionally in the past?11:57
luca_bperhaps some script11:57
Thari don't think so...11:57
binksvoicu have you tried doze apps under wine for sniffing11:57
luca_bThar: have you installed something related to proxies like privoxy?11:57
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Tharmaybe tor? but i have it quite long and nothing like that happened11:57
voicubinks, no. i try to use as many linux applications as possible. forget about ms :P11:58
luca_bThar: what gives "aptitude search jap"?11:59
luca_bThar: just for my personal interest11:59
binksjust becuase its written for doze doesnt mean dont use it thats narrow minded sorry11:59
luca_bdon't do it Thar, I just checked myself11:59
Tharok :P11:59
luca_bthat port is used for some anyonymity software, usually11:59
Thar...like tor?12:00
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luca_bThar: may be12:00
voicubinks: don't give me that cliche man. i know, it's just that programs for windows use a different way of thinking (like filestructure) and i want to get used to working in linux and oher unix type oses12:01
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Thari have privoxy running12:01
Thardunno why, but that probably is that oO12:01
luca_bThar: then probably the post-install script set your proxy like that12:02
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binksnu sorry but if something is good at what its written for then why reinvent the wheel just use it dhcpforce is by far the best sniffer out there12:02
luca_bThar: if you don't want to give up on privacy, but still be able to use it without resetting the proxy12:02
Tharluca_b: maybe... i've installed it about a month ago, and everything was fine12:02
luca_bThar: a good idea would be setting an alias12:02
luca_bThar: in your .bash_profile12:03
Tharluca_b: i'll try it12:03
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luca_bThar: like alias apt-get='http_proxy="" apt-get'12:03
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luca_bput it in ~/.bash_profile and it will be automatically used when you log in12:04
voicubinks, i didn't say that. i only wanted to see how sniffing works, to clarify something in my mind. if i really need a good sniffer, i may use dhcpforce in wine (or any other windows app), why not... but until then i'm going to stick to my unix plan :P12:04
dettoaltrimenti_how do I go into kdm theme manager?12:04
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Thardettoaltrimenti_: in kde control12:05
luca_bdettoaltrimenti_: alt-f2 then type kcontrol, you get an extended control panel12:05
binksok love ya12:05
dettoaltrimenti_thanks- is there any way to get to that control center from the kmenu?12:05
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Thardettoaltrimenti_: if you dont have it, you can add it12:06
luca_bdettoaltrimenti_: perhaps there is an entry directly in the KMenu12:06
luca_bI don't use kmenu so I don't know12:07
luca_b(I only alt-f2 things or use the command line usually)12:07
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about apt-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about adept-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi12:09
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daftvadercan someone show me how to move the icons on the kde panel?12:11
daftvaderi can't move my trash can or my task bar12:11
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Thardaftvader: it's normal12:14
Tharfor trash12:14
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Tharyou should set something in panel settings, bu i don't know how it is in english locale12:14
Tharlook --> advanced i think...12:15
MotorCityMadManunder system settings/kde components/default app/setting firefox as default will not stick. any help on this ?12:15
ForgeAushmmm ubuntu ultimate edition...12:16
larson9999kmenu still has issues12:16
ForgeAusget this it come from the popularity of a christmas edition!12:16
ForgeAusif you think I'm joking go  here: http://ubuntusoftware.info/ultimate/index.html12:16
daftvaderi accidentally clear my menu items12:16
daftvaderand now my trash can and system tray and task bar is all stuck on the left hand side12:17
ForgeAusit snot kubuntu however... too gnome-ish for me12:17
Tharoh my... yet another ubuntu12:17
daftvaderyes sorry12:17
daftvaderplease educate me on how to fix this up12:17
ForgeAuslol Thar, theres several of them12:18
TharForgeAus: i know, and i think too much of them :P12:18
Tharthere is too much of them, i mean12:18
daftvaderi worked it out12:19
Tharadding some packages and customizing look, it's all can be done by user after installation12:20
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Tharor by script...12:20
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Tharwell, seems like some people have too much money, willing to spent it on bandwidth for isos ;)12:21
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binkslol @ Thar why would he do that seems a bit ego for me12:23
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binkswunder if hell pay my next bill12:23
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dettoaltrimenti_can I just change the way my login screen looks (the one right before the splash screen)?12:24
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Thardettoaltrimenti_: yes, you can12:24
dettoaltrimenti_where is it in kcontrol? I can't seem to find it12:25
Tharon top in left panel12:25
Thar'administration' settings or something like that12:25
Thar'KDM Theme Manager'12:26
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sintheteki'm still in here12:32
sintheteki forgot about this screen12:32
sinthetekoh well, since i'm still here...12:33
crparrHi! I am playing around with dualhead using an Intel 855GM onbiard graphics card. Has anyone got dualhead working with xinerama? If yes, may I please have a look at your xorg.conf?12:34
sinthetekanyone know why kubuntu would detect/use a usb wifi device fine as a livecd but not once it's installed?12:34
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sintheteki could figure it out if i was local to the machine but i'm trying to guide a long distance friend over the phone....12:38
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sinthetekit would be nice if i could tell her specifically what to do rather than ask her to sift through logfiles and iwconfig/ifconfig output with no idea what she's looking for and i'm not quite sure either12:39
sintheteklsusb, lspci etc12:40
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devilsadvocatesinthetek, i believe the live cd is more packed with compatibility softawre than a vailla install. The kernel is same, though, s if it worked there you shouldnt have to recopile the kernel12:41
h3sp4wnsinthetek: check she has matching linus-restricted modules installed for the kernel she is using12:42
h3sp4wn(if an update comes from -security securitu restricted is often not there)12:43
sinthetekhrm...ok, so there's no chance some of the kernel mods aren't missing or there could be a hotplug malfunction or something with udev maybe?12:44
sinthetekhaha, so much stuff it could be... grr12:44
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sinthetekdoes the install automatically update the system? it was so long since i installed it for my lil sis i forgot12:45
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h3sp4wnthe kernel module are all in linux-image or restricted modules12:45
h3sp4wnthe chances are she would run adept updater if prompted12:45
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yuraHi guys, What is the best program for visual editing simple HTML12:47
yuraRecently started using Nvu, it's quiet OK, but has some bugs, I thought you can propose something better12:48
Tm_Tyura: Have you tried Kate?12:48
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Tm_T(what is visual editing?)12:49
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yurasorry, mean WYSIWYG12:49
Tm_TI see.12:49
yura,Not playing with TAGs12:50
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sinthetekok, thanks you guys12:51
ForgeAusyou guys know how I was joking about a fluxbuntu?... apparently its not a joke! THERE IS A fluxbuntu!12:52
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yuraIs Kate WYSIWYG?12:53
h3sp4wnyura: nvu is unmaintained12:53
yura,I don't think so12:53
yuraWhat is alternative to nvu?12:54
ForgeAusKate wysiwyg? um its probably not meant to be12:54
ForgeAusits not a word processor its just a text-editor... a good one at that!12:54
h3sp4wn!info nvu feisty12:54
ubotunvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB12:54
h3sp4wndoesn't exist in feisty because its unmaintained12:54
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ForgeAusis quanta an alternative?12:56
ForgeAus(however you spell it)12:56
snowrichardI like quanta12:56
snowrichardto edit php and html12:57
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h3sp4wnis quanta wysiwyg12:57
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ForgeAusI've never used it I just knew it was webdev related12:57
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ForgeAusDreamLinux looks cute... with a MacOSX-like  taskbar/kicker/whateverucallit01:00
ForgeAusbut I think its based around opera web-browser01:00
h3sp4wnengage is quite mac os like01:00
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ForgeAuswow is Linux Mint based on ubuntu? the installer and design look like it01:02
ForgeAusof course has an green and aqua theme tho01:03
h3sp4wnLinux mint is just ubuntu + codecs and stuff afaik01:03
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h3sp4wnForgeAus: Laucher thing part of e17 but works stand alone01:03
ForgeAusobviously I'm checking through screenshots of OS's01:03
nuxilwhere are the icons for the mouse themes installed ?01:04
yuraJust tried Quanta, but It doesn't show pictures in wysiwyg editor01:04
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yuradon't know why, and it doesn't show all page, the bottom part is truncated01:05
Jucatonuxil: I think in /usr/share/icons01:05
DanzikI have a question...01:06
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DanzikHow would I go about changing my resolution.  The highest resolution in System settings it 1024x76801:07
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look2memoze ktos jest tu z polski01:15
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ubotuMozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl01:16
cntbwhen I do imaging especially from sda to hda I need to reconstruct fstab and mtab . what command can help me do it ?01:16
cntbredetect drives in rescue env and mangae to grub  boot01:16
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cntbabattoir: ideas?01:16
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ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto01:17
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abattoircntb: what do you mean by 'imaging', using dd to copy from one disk to another?01:17
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look2meubotu ja z tamtad01:20
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ja z tamtad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:20
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cntbabattoir: yes01:23
cntbbut not dd01:23
cntbacronis or ghost01:23
cntbacronis in this case01:23
cntbabattoir: now fstab is all wrong01:24
cntbabattoir: must be a way in rescue environment to reconstruct fstab01:24
cntbalso UUID belong to old drive01:24
Jucatoabattoir is here?!?!?!01:26
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faradayhow can i mount my ipod in kubuntu?+01:31
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xpath - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:32
faradayit doesn't work01:32
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faradaycan someone help me?01:32
lotusleaffaraday: you can ask in #ubuntu too if people are asleep or busy here01:32
Tm_Tfaraday: Have you looked from help.ubuntu.com/community ?01:33
faradayhm the problem is, that my english is very, very bad (i guess)01:33
faradayis there a german channel?01:33
ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de01:33
faradaythx! :D01:33
dhqwhat does this mean GL_ARB_fragment_program is missing01:34
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Frederickfolks after running apt-get update it gets idle in the fetching headers process any ideas?01:41
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about sdl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:43
abattoircntb: sorry, i don't know01:43
dhqwhat does this mean GL_ARB_fragment_program is missing01:43
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about sdl-config - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:43
Jucatoyelonek: what are you looking for?01:44
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yelonekJucato: i have this game Lgeneral which i'm trying to compile01:44
yelonek./config says01:45
yelonekchecking for sdl-config... no01:45
yelonekchecking for SDL - version >= 1.1.4... no01:45
ubotulibsdl1.2-dev: Simple DirectMedia Layer development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10-3ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 708 kB, installed size 2756 kB01:45
yelonekconfigure: error: lib SDL >=1.1.4 is needed01:45
Jucatoyelonek: ^^^01:46
yelonekJucato: how was i supposed to know that ? :>01:46
Jucatoyou could have asked... or apt-cache search :)01:47
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yeloneki used adept manager to check for sdl01:47
yelonekbut there's many libraries with sdl in their names01:48
yeloneki was puzzled which one i should install01:48
Jucatowhen compiling and configure complains about something missing, you should look for the -dev package01:48
yelonekhow did you know ?01:48
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=== Jucato vaguely remembers compiling something that needed that :P
yelonekbut it says development - i don't want to develop anything01:49
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Jucatothat package contains the headers and libraries for SDL, which you apparently need01:49
Jucatocompiling = a form of developing :P01:49
ForgeAushelps if you know how to code it first01:50
Jucatowell, not really... compiling is just a matter of entering the right commands with the right options... most of the time :P01:51
yeloneki know c++ a bit, but worked in MS Visual Studio01:51
ForgeAussometimes the wrong ones work better... but its quite rare01:51
yelonekwhen I tried KDevelop it spit sth that i have to create configure first01:52
ForgeAussometimes the space between a bug and a feature is quite grey...01:52
ForgeAusKDevelop is fine... shouldn't be much trouble01:53
yelonekwhen it says development i think that they're still working on it, it may be unstable and so on01:53
ForgeAuswhich version of Visual studio?.. 6 or .NET ?01:53
ForgeAusManaged apps are quite different...01:53
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ForgeAusyou might look into Mono for managed application development01:54
ForgeAusI heard theres some work on C# coming for Kdevelop01:54
yelonekhmm, i would have to check which version it was 2005 .NET but i'm not sure01:55
ForgeAusyeah 2005 is .NET01:56
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ForgeAus2002 and 2003 are the ones that actually state .NET but everything since has been based on .NET (with C++ for non-managed apps)01:56
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yelonekho ho ho, first succesfull compilation :)01:57
yelonekalthough no sound and music ;)01:57
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ForgeAuswhat exactly are you compiling?01:58
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yelonekLGeneral: http://lgames.sourceforge.net/index.php?project=LGeneral01:59
yelonekbtw what does ./ in bash mean ?02:03
Jucatocurrent directory02:03
Jucato ./configure means run the configure script/program, which is in the current directory02:04
ForgeAusis it likely that fluxbuntu will join Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu as one of the three?? (note I'm ignoring edubuntu for now)02:04
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JucatoForgeAus: not likely, afaik02:04
Jucatoor haven't read any juicy "rumors" about it02:04
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yelonekwhat should i do if i compiled a program and then I decided i don't want it anymore ?02:05
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yelonekhow do i get rid of it ?02:05
Jucatoif you installed it with configure, make, make install, running "make uninstall" in the same directory (where you ran make) will uninstall it02:05
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Jucatopresuming you a) didn't delete that directory and b) you didn't delete the Makefile02:06
ForgeAussame as DOS ./ is current ../ is parent (cept that the / is not \ otherwise same... but no drive letter thats all)02:06
Jucatothe difference is that in DOS, you don't need to specify that the program is in the current directory02:07
ForgeAusyeah but isn't that because current is built into the path evironemnt variable somwhoe?02:07
Jucatoboth DOS and BASH have PATHs but in DOS, the current directory is always searched first. in BASH, it is never searched at all02:07
ForgeAuswaht ./ can't be added to bash's path?02:08
Jucatofor security reasons...02:08
yelonekJucato: and what if i did remove it ?02:08
ForgeAusor rather . even02:08
Tm_TForgeAus: Why should it?02:08
Jucatoyelonek: you'll have to manually delete every reference to it...02:08
yelonekomg :] 02:08
Jucatoyelonek: each and every file it installed...02:09
Jucatothat's just afaik... I maybe wrong02:09
ForgeAusTmT so you don't need to refer to it by ./ when you want to run something th ere02:09
yelonekthat's bloody not user-friendly :P02:09
ForgeAusI'm lazy I want things convenient02:09
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Tm_TForgeAus: Err, that should _not_ be problem.02:09
abattoirhi Tm_T :)02:09
Tm_THi abattoir02:09
JucatoForgeAus: so that any person can run a script/program in your user directory?02:09
ForgeAusTm_T uh? why not?02:09
Jucatoyelonek: since when did compiling anything become user friendly :P02:10
ForgeAususer directory? ./ is current directory02:10
ForgeAusbesides who's running anything on my PC but me?02:10
JucatoForgeAus: remote access?02:10
yelonekJucato: lots of stuff has to be compiled02:10
yelonekeverything that's not in repository02:10
ForgeAusit would be dumb to allow remote access to someone you don't trust right?02:10
Jucatoyelonek: hm... depends.. that's why we have packages :)02:10
ForgeAusyelonek even some stuff that is in a repository (I think)02:11
yelonekyeah, but everyone gives code, rarely packages02:11
yelonekand it have to be deb packages02:11
yelonekto make it worse02:11
JucatoForgeAus: maybe... just remember that anything in your user directory, which is presumably where you'll be running your ./ script doesn't need any permission/notification to execute02:11
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Jucatoyelonek: well, not everyone. some are kind enough to package too02:11
ForgeAusJucato? your confusing me02:11
ForgeAusyour saying ./ = home directory?02:11
ForgeAusI don't get that...02:12
yelonek~ is home ?02:12
ForgeAus./ is wherever on your HDD you are at the time02:12
ForgeAusyelonek yes02:12
yelonekso ./ is current02:12
ForgeAuswith ./ its dynamic you could run your script anywhere02:12
ForgeAuswhats that gog to do with a user directory?02:12
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JucatoForgeAus: when do you usually have to explicitly run a script with ./script? when that script/program isn't in the system owned directories like /usr/bin02:12
Mightily-Oatshey... ok... back again... i was on earlier about a sound card issue... still havent figured it.. im hoping someone might.. kinda stuck :(02:12
Jucatomeaning, if you're running ./script, most likely than not, you are in your own /home or in a directory owned by your user02:13
ForgeAusum.. wait first your saying script... I'm talkign about any executable02:13
Jucatomeaning, while your system (root owned directories) are safe, your user data isn't02:13
yeloneki read an article that said GNU Linux is ready for desktop :] 02:13
JucatoForgeAus: notice "script/program"02:13
yelonekdefinitely not02:13
ForgeAussecondly (this seems like a hell of a lot of assumptions here)... I could be running it from anywhere...02:13
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Jucatoyelonek: desktop users don't usually compile stuff :D02:13
Mightily-Oatshas anyone had experience with usb headsets in linux (or routing sound from one sound card to another?)02:14
ForgeAusI didn't have any particular directory in mind02:14
ForgeAuspresumably wher you install something to02:14
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JucatoForgeAus: true, but you don't have normall access to anywhere except your /home02:14
yelonekJucato: but if i want any game, i go to game's website and it says: here's the code, have fun02:14
ForgeAus(admittedly if its a binary you tend ot put it in /usr/bin anyway)02:14
yelonekJucato: how am i supposed to get this game without compiling ??02:14
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ForgeAusfair enough,02:14
Jucatoyelonek: true.. but is it Linux's fault now that the game provider doesn't provide a package for Linux?02:15
ForgeAusback to root issues again02:15
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JucatoForgeAus:  or /usr/local/bin, etc02:15
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yelonekJucato: i thought linux is a community too02:16
yelonekas a community it is not ready for desktop02:16
Jucatoyelonek: "Linux" is a laaaarge community02:16
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ForgeAusLinux is an OS, people make a community02:16
ForgeAusbut yeah there are communities based around linux distributions02:16
Jucatoyelonek: "Linux" *HAS* a laaaarge community02:16
HymnToLifeForgeAus, Linux is a kernel, GNU and Linux make an OS :p02:16
ForgeAusHymm, yes technically02:17
ForgeAusso sue me for being simplistic?02:17
yelonekcommunity of programmers i think :>02:17
Jucatoyelonek: hm... really? have you encountered the *whole* community, form other distros, from other projects, from other countries, to be able to conclude that?02:18
Jucatoanyway, we're going offtopic here...02:18
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Jucatowhether you think Linux is ready for the desktop or not is your opinion. and I will respect that and leave it alone02:18
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ForgeAusif I wanted ./ in my path how, theoretically would I go about it?02:20
ForgeAuspresumably theres some text file (like an .ini?) or script that sets the environment variables02:20
ForgeAusalthough being linux it tends to be .conf more than .ini right?02:21
Jucatoactually, it's more of .bashrc or .bash_profile02:21
ForgeAusoh yeah heard of .bashrc, I should have known that one02:21
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Jucatobut I've had my own problems with PATH's before so I can't give an exact answer02:21
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yeloneki'm feeling disillusioned ;(02:28
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ubotulgeneral: A "Panzer General" - like game. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1-4 (edgy), package size 464 kB, installed size 1756 kB02:29
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Mightily-Oatshas anyone had experience with usb headsets in linux (or routing sound from one sound card to another?)02:30
Jucatoyes, Linux is definitely not ready for the Desktop... for those who have replaced their brains with their mice...02:30
ForgeAuspossibly someone has but I haven't Mightily...02:30
Jucatono idea Mightily-Oats... sorry you've had to ask all day... :(02:31
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ForgeAusI dunno I'd agree that Linux IS ready for the desktop its just not... easy thats all02:31
lotusleafForgeAus: most "easy" people are filled with problems and diseases, or prone to either, much like easy operating systems02:32
Jucatochanging to something new is never easy. it requires an open mind more than new skills, though02:32
ForgeAusdepending on what your doing with your PC, but me being so used to Windows... finds it easier...02:32
lotusleafForgeAus: I'd rather enjoy a complex OS, like I enjoy complex people02:32
ForgeAuslotus, interesting perspective02:32
ForgeAusand yes most people are complicated02:32
lotusleafForgeAus: I said complex, not complicated02:32
Mightily-OatsJucato: im sorry ive been such a pain.. im trying everything.. i can now get sound through the headsets.. in everything except for enemy territory.. main reason i got them02:32
Jucatosimple people are boring... like a square...02:33
ForgeAuslotus, both will do02:33
ForgeAus(when talking about people)02:33
lotusleafForgeAus: I like habaneros02:33
ForgeAushehe Jucato I heard a good saying once : if you think I'm weird I think your boring!02:33
JucatoMightily-Oats: no you're not a pain. and I imagine you're in pain... have you tried other means of support? forums? mailing list?02:33
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ForgeAusHabanerous is a word I haven't come across as yet, so I hope you'll excuse me if I don't understand it...02:34
lotusleafForgeAus: I like the saying "make people think that they're thinking and they'll love you, make them actually think and they will hate you."02:34
Mightily-Oatsyep..... google... ubuntu forums... looking up usb headsets, dual soundcards, disabling one sound card and routing sound02:34
Mightily-Oatsthe usb headset acts like its own soundcard02:34
Mightily-Oatsdoesnt use the computers one02:34
ForgeAusI don't know I like thinking... mostly02:34
vega__yesterday i have tried to instal kubuntu on my laptop (toshiba l10) but the installation stopped at %1402:34
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vega__i have selected 5.6 gb partition to install i think that my ram is not enough (256 mb)02:37
vega__how can i activate swap partition02:37
Mightily-OatsJucato: just had a brainwave.. what if its not the card not liking the game... but the command i have to run to get the game to work02:37
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vega__or how can i install kubuntu from konsole02:37
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vega__i dont want kubuntu to open like i live cd02:38
dettoaltrimenti_why not vega__?02:38
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Mightily-Oatsvega__: try the alternate cd :)02:38
vega__because my ram is not enough02:38
abhinayhow to install minimal kubuntu-desktop ?02:39
abhinayiam using Gnome02:39
Jucatoabhinay: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde02:40
Jucatothat guide would be useful02:40
ForgeAuskubuntu-desktop isn't very minimal02:40
dettoaltrimenti_fluxbox, blackbox, and xfce are good minimal desktops02:40
ForgeAusbut I think you mean to install kubuntu-desktop and remove ubuntu-desktop02:40
dettoaltrimenti_I think....02:40
Jucatoit's the only kubuntu-desktop.. so it's both minimal and max :)02:41
ForgeAusyes as someone said the kubuntu-desktop package is quite small, but the dependancies are massive!02:42
ForgeAuswell not extremely massive but pretty big02:43
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Jucatothe dependencies of kubuntu-desktop (without ubuntu-desktop installed first) is 1 CD :D02:43
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ForgeAusaround 700mb02:44
ForgeAusdettoal yeah your right all three are minimal but not as functional as KDE imho02:44
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vega__can i install kubuntu to an extended partition02:44
ForgeAusextended partition? um possibly02:45
ForgeAusif its fat32 you can read/write it from Kubuntu, but I would only suggest doing so if you didn't have other options available02:45
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ForgeAusnot sure about booting from there02:46
ForgeAusalthough there is a grub for dos02:46
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dettoaltrimenti_what is the name of the bar at the bottom of the screen, and what are some replacements to the default one in kubuntu?02:46
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ForgeAusNTFS doesn't come in extended partitions does it?02:47
Jucatodettoaltrimenti_: Kicker the KDE Panel?02:47
ForgeAuskicker is the name of kbuuntu's "taskbar"02:47
Jucatoalthough technically, it's not the taskbar... :P02:47
dettoaltrimenti_yes jucato- the task manager, k-menu, clock, trash, those things02:47
ForgeAusok yes kde's02:47
dettoaltrimenti_I've seen some that half is on the top of the screen, half is on the bottom- others look like mac's dock02:48
ForgeAushehe the taskbar is only part of it I get it, yes but windows users tend to refer to the entire thing as the "taskbar"...02:48
Jucatodettoaltrimenti_: yep. it's Kicker. alternatives would be those Mac OS X dock apps like kxdocker02:48
ForgeAuseven in windows I think its likely technically incorrect02:48
Jucatodettoaltrimenti_: you can have a Mac OS X-like top panel for Main menus02:48
ForgeAusI like kooldock02:48
dettoaltrimenti_and if I install kxdocker or another kind, where can I change the settings to make it load every time I load ubuntu?02:49
ForgeAusyou can even install applets into the menu!02:49
Jucatodettoaltrimenti_: right-click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Behavior -> Menu bar at the top of the screen02:49
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ForgeAusum that doesn't make kxdocker load by default :) but it does make the menu work like MacOS02:50
ForgeAus(top screen one)02:50
JucatoForgeAus: dettoaltrimenti_: you can have a Mac OS X-like top panel for Main menus02:51
vega__http://debianadmin.com/copper/displayimage.php?pid=286&fullsize=1  i had rea02:51
JucatoI said the top panel...02:51
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ForgeAusBaghira is a macosx-like theme too02:51
ForgeAusits quite nice02:51
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ForgeAuseven comes with its own kmenu replacement menu02:51
vega__i had reach this step but the installation did not format the partition i selected02:52
ForgeAusI tried it it was fun.. but I prefered not using it02:52
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ForgeAusplus I like blue better than white/grey...02:52
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ForgeAusand I couldn't quite get the minimize/maximize "pips" to look coloured like some version of Aqua does...02:52
ForgeAusbut that was probably more because I wasn't sure how to do so02:53
ForgeAusBaghira is HIGHLY configurable02:53
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ForgeAusJucato then don't look into AROS02:54
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ForgeAus(it can run as an OS or like an app ("hosted") )02:54
austin_what happens in this chat room?02:54
ForgeAusAmigaOS3.1 compatible02:54
ForgeAushehe mostly