[12:14] <alex_> devilsadvocate: but does give errors
[12:14] <devilsadvocate> alex_, the warnings are ok
[12:15] <alex_> !paste
[12:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:15] <alex_> devilsadvocate: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4033/
[12:15] <alex_> devilsadvocate: I get that for EVERYTHING I launch
[12:16] <christopher> is there a definative guide to installing xgl on kubuntu? I've seen tons of articles, but they are all old and some people post comments that they dont' work.
[12:16] <system_> hi all
[12:17] <devilsadvocate> alex_, thats ok
[12:17] <system_> hello all
[12:17] <system_> any 1 wanna help?
[12:18] <alex_> devilsadvocate: than why do things don't work so often? :S any ideas?
[12:18] <juano__> system_: sure
[12:18] <juano__> system_: whats the issue
[12:18] <devilsadvocate> alex_, no clue
[12:18] <devilsadvocate> alex_, if they work from the terminal they should work normally as well
[12:18] <system_> man
[12:18] <system_> iw anna talk on skype or yahoo
[12:18] <system_> but with voice
[12:18] <devilsadvocate> !question | system_
[12:18] <ubotu> system_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:18] <system_> lol
[12:19] <juano__> alex_: this happens sometimes , running things like 2 or 3 times to get them to work
[12:19] <system_> i just asked mine
[12:19] <juano__> system_: download skype from www.skype.com
[12:19] <alex_> really?
[12:19] <alex_> wow
[12:19] <alex_> that sucks, never had that problem in SuSE
[12:19] <devilsadvocate> alex_, i never had that problem :|
[12:19] <system_> lol
[12:19] <alex_> wierd
[12:19] <system_> my linux is
[12:19] <juano__> alex_: its due to something with the global variables i think
[12:19] <system_> ubuntu
[12:20] <juano__> alex_: its an error not a bug
[12:20] <juano__> alex_: you need to fix something
[12:20] <juano__> alex_: or searching from where are you executing the apps
[12:20] <juano__> alex_: devilsadvocate i never had it
[12:21] <juano__> alex_: i meant it happens sometimes
[12:21] <devilsadvocate> how do i get kdevelop 3.4 on edgy?
[12:21] <juano__> alex_: its caused of a bad setting
[12:21] <juano__> alex_: have you googled it _
[12:21] <h3sp4wn> !info kdevelop3
[12:21] <ubotu> kdevelop3: Dummy package for transition to kdevelop. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.2+dummy1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 36 kB
[12:21] <alex_> juano__: lol, one thing at a time
[12:21] <alex_> juano__: first I need to get my res to work
[12:21] <h3sp4wn> !info kdevelop3 feisty
[12:21] <ubotu> kdevelop3: Dummy package for transition to kdevelop. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.2+dummy1 (feisty), package size 9 kB, installed size 36 kB
[12:22] <devilsadvocate> hmm
[12:22] <h3sp4wn> !info kdevelop
[12:22] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.3.4-1ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7894 kB, installed size 24892 kB
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> !info kdevelop feisty
[12:23] <ubotu> kdevelop: An IDE for Unix/X11. In component universe, is optional. Version 4:3.4.0-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 8567 kB, installed size 26148 kB
[12:23] <h3sp4wn> backport it from feisty if you want it
[12:24] <devilsadvocate> h3sp4wn, manually? dont they usually have a repo i could just add? :P
[12:24] <devilsadvocate> h3sp4wn, dont bother. got it
[12:24] <h3sp4wn> devilsadvocate: you can't just pull packages from feisty or you will end up running feisty
[12:25] <alex_> so it says that I have to put 915resolution 1280 800 into /etc/init.d/boot.local
[12:25] <alex_> but there is no such file
[12:25] <alex_> do I create it?
[12:25] <devilsadvocate> h3sp4wn, there is a repo on kubuntu.orgwith kde3.5.6 for edgy, i guess it also has kdevelop
[12:25] <system_> guys
[12:25] <system_> helloooooooo
[12:25] <Sanne> alex_: this seems to be related to your error messages: http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=7964.0;topicseen and http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1264009
[12:25] <system_> iwanna use yahoo
[12:25] <devilsadvocate> system_, yahoo voice is out of the question on *nix
[12:26] <system_> i wanna use yahoo messenger on ubuntu which is built on debian
[12:26] <system_> u mean its not on *nix?
[12:26] <chavo> there are kdevelop 3.4 packages for edgy http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-356.php
[12:26] <juano__> system_: download SKYPE from www.skype.com
[12:26] <system_> ty
[12:26] <system_> i installed skype
[12:26] <system_> but i wanna yahoo
[12:26] <juano__> system_: to enter yahoo use KOPETE
[12:27] <alex_> Sanne: thanks, I'll try that after I figure out the whole resolution business
[12:27] <system_> with voive
[12:27] <devilsadvocate> system_, talk to yahoo about that. Kopete can do the text
[12:27] <system_> i can us gaim
[12:27] <Sanne> alex_: ok :)
[12:27] <juano__> run kopete i think you can enter yahoo accounts there
[12:27] <juano__> system_: yes
[12:27] <system_> i know
[12:27] <system_> but i want voiceeeeee
[12:27] <system_> not text
[12:27] <system_> :((
[12:28] <devilsadvocate> system_, have a look at yahoo's unix client. thats how much yahoo cares about its non-windows customers
[12:28] <intelikey> is there any way to see when an inode was created ?
[12:29] <system_> lol
[12:29] <system_> ya
[12:29] <alex_> so does anyone know if I need to create boot.local?
[12:29] <intelikey> boot.local ?
[12:29] <rEvolution27> who uses yahoo anyway?
[12:29] <intelikey> for what alex_ ?
[12:30] <devilsadvocate> rEvolution27 +1
[12:30] <alex_> intelikey: I need to add 915resolution 1280 800 there
[12:30] <alex_> intelikey: but the file doesn't exist /etc/init.d/boot.local
[12:30] <cpk1> alex_: just do sudo nanon /etc/init.d/boot.local
[12:30] <cpk1> nano even
[12:30] <Sanne> alex_: isn't it rc.local?
[12:30] <system_> lol
[12:30] <alex_> its not there though
[12:31] <system_> alot of ppl use yahoo
[12:31] <alex_> cpk1: its not there
[12:31] <alex_> the file doesn't exist
[12:31] <intelikey> it will be if you edit id
[12:31] <intelikey> it
[12:31] <cpk1> alex_: it will create it, or if that makes you uncomfortable do sudo touch /etc/init.d/boot.local
[12:31] <cpk1> and then edit it
[12:31] <alex_> ok
[12:31] <alex_> just making sure that that file is part of the system
[12:32] <intelikey> so howto see inode creation time ?
[12:32] <cpk1> it will be when you create it
[12:32] <alex_> it was there by default in suse, but not here
[12:32] <Sanne> alex_: again: isn't it /etc/rc.local?
[12:32] <cpk1> alex_: probably because multiuser scripts go in rc.local
[12:32] <alex_> Sanne: I have no idea, I just go by the instructions that are given on the website
[12:33] <will> anyone know how to check the size of a file from the command prompt?
[12:33] <alex_> and rc.local is not there anyway
[12:33] <intelikey> will ls -l filename
[12:33] <alex_> will: ls -l
[12:33] <intelikey> but i want to know how to see file creation time
[12:33] <cpk1> alex_: /etc/rc.local most certainly is
[12:34] <Sanne> alex_: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy/Hardware#How_to_Correct_the_Graphics_Resolution_.28Intel.29
[12:35] <rEvolution> lol
[12:35] <will> intelikey and alex_: that gave me -r-x--------- 1 root root 0 Jan 30 00:59
[12:35] <rEvolution> alot of ppl use yahoo
[12:35] <rEvolution27> huh?
[12:35] <intelikey> err   i want to know how to see inode creation time.
[12:35] <h3sp4wn> rc.local shouldn't be used its a bsd thing
[12:35] <cpk1> will: so its size is 0, also you can do ls -lh to make the sizes more readable
[12:36] <h3sp4wn> (and suppost to be depreciated)
[12:36] <alex_> h3sp4wn: omg, I am confused like hell
[12:36] <alex_> h3sp4wn: so what do I do then??
[12:36] <h3sp4wn>  use /etc/init.d/skeleton and customise to suit
[12:36] <cpk1> h3sp4wn: let me guess you are supposed to use rc#.d/ ?
[12:36] <will> cpk1: I was afraid of that.  any idea why all of my text files have no size now?
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: or /etc/event.d
[12:37] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: (I only know sysv style)
[12:37] <will> cpk1: I somehow moved my home folder from /home/will to /media/sda5/will and apperently the files lost all but their names in the process
[12:37] <alex_> h3sp4wn and cpk1: http://www.geocities.com/stomljen/readme.html
[12:37] <alex_> it says /etc/init.d/boot.local
[12:37] <intelikey> so nobody knows a way to view inode creation time, or if it's even possable ?
[12:38] <cpk1> hrmm I was having trouble getting a simple line in for loading my iptables on boot, and I had no clue why it wasnt working in rc.local or in rc2.d
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> alex_: that might be on fedora or redhat
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: put it in /etc/network/interfaces using a pre-up or post-up
[12:38] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: (that can be script if you want)
[12:39] <will> I somehow moved my home folder from /home/will to /media/sda5/will and apperently the files lost all but their names in the process.  anyone know what may have happened and if there is any chance of recovery?
[12:39] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: makes as much sense to have that run when the interface goes up as any other way to me
[12:39] <luca_b> intelikey: there should be a way to read a ctime
[12:39] <intelikey> yeah but how ?
[12:40] <h3sp4wn> find -ctime
[12:40] <cpk1> h3sp4wn: this is all it is /sbin/iptables-restore /etc/network/iptables.rules do I need to add a #!/bin/sh too if I put it in interfaces? I am not very good with this stuff
[12:40] <alex_> LOL, it was rc.local after all
[12:40] <alex_> THANKS dudes
[12:40] <alex_> ahhhh, nice and crisp native resolution
[12:41] <intelikey> h3sp4wn but for unknown time how will you use that ?
[12:41] <luca_b> intelikey: Do you know which inode is it?
[12:41] <intelikey> no
[12:41] <luca_b> intelikey: because apparently there is the "debugfs" utlity
[12:41] <intelikey> i know the c time should be within the last 4 weeks
[12:41] <will> anyone know how to search all hard drives for a file from the command prompt
[12:41] <ghazanfar> hello
[12:41] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: pre-up /sbin/iptables-restore /etc/network/iptables.rules
[12:42] <luca_b> that once started, you can get information with a specific inode
[12:42] <luca_b> using stat <inode number> inside debugfs
[12:42] <jmichaelx> to install a .deb package, does one just enter 'dpkg packagename.deb'?
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: dpkg -i
[12:42] <jmichaelx> ahh, ok ty
[12:43] <Sanne> jmichaelx: dpkg -i package (see 'man dpkg' for all the options)
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> cpk1: (last line under iface eth0 or whatever would work)
[12:43] <luca_b> intelikey: you're checking a specific file?
[12:43] <rasengan> hello everyone
[12:44] <intelikey> luca_b looking for a way to identify all files newer than blah
[12:44] <jordo23> !upgrade
[12:44] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[12:44] <cpk1> h3sp4wn: alright thanks, rebooting to see if it works
[12:44] <luca_b> intelikey: ls -il shows inodes associated to files
[12:44] <luca_b> and dirs
[12:44] <cpk1> actually i cant reboot because the other machine connected to this is in the middle of a download
[12:44] <intelikey> luca_b checking.
[12:45] <luca_b> intelikey: but you want to use creation file and not modification file, right?
[12:45] <cpk1> h3sp4wn: I will check it when I get the chance =P
[12:45] <luca_b> intelikey: ls -lc (-c = sort by ctime)
[12:45] <luca_b> intelikey:  actually ls -lct
[12:47] <intelikey> luca_b ls -l lists a timestamp but it's not when the file was created on this fs.  it's when it was first made.  i need a way to check when it was downloaded    backing incrementally  /var/cache/apt/archives/*   i dont want to re-burn all three cd's   just a few houndred meg on one cd that i don't have archived  so i can carry it to a non-networked box.
[12:48] <luca_b> intelikey: I just found this - http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/faq/part3/section-1.html
[12:48] <intelikey> ls -l* doesn't work.
[12:48] <intelikey> looking at that url now
[12:48] <luca_b> intelikey: it basically says you can't get the creation time
[12:48] <luca_b> intelikey: only the last change time
[12:49] <intelikey> figures....
[12:49] <musya> is it possible to get drivers for my keyboard and mouse?
[12:49] <luca_b> musya: depends, you mean extra buttons?
[12:49] <musya> they just freeze up at times
[12:49] <rEvolution> guys
[12:49] <intelikey> but i have files in there that the date is 2004  and the fs is not that old.
[12:49] <SYS0110> i wanna use multi lanugae on gnome
[12:49] <musya> luca_b: no they freeze up on me at times
[12:49] <musya> i dont know why?
[12:50] <luca_b> musya: What motherboard model do you have?
[12:50] <musya> could it be my vidoe card?
[12:50] <musya> im running my monitor through my motherboard
[12:50] <Minataku> intelikey: Do this
[12:50] <Minataku> touch all the files
[12:50] <musya> is there a way too check in terminal
[12:50] <Minataku> Then make a base backup with them
[12:50] <SYS0110> guys
[12:50] <SYS0110> i wanna use multi lanugae on gnome
[12:50] <Minataku> After that, only backup files that change
[12:51] <SYS0110> i wanna use multi language on gnome
[12:51] <luca_b> intelikey: stat is the other command you can check to see everything about a file
[12:51] <luca_b> musya: Depends, what's the make and model of your MB?
[12:51] <intelikey> Minataku good idea  so if i have older files i'll know they are actually newer.
[12:51] <luca_b> musya: some have BIOSes that are far from perfect
[12:51] <Minataku> SYS0110: Please stop asking and wait patiently for an answer.
[12:51] <slyfox> Anyone uses Kopete to connect to google ?
[12:51] <demente> Hi all, I was wondering if it's possible to change the splash screen of amarok.
[12:51] <luca_b> slyfox: Tried once, didn't work too well, so I gave up
[12:51] <Minataku> You're not the king of the universe, we don't have to drop everything to help you
[12:52] <intelikey> SYS0110 also #ubuntu is the channel for gnome support.
[12:52] <SYS0110> well iam waiting, i dint mean to spamm
[12:52] <jordo23> !nvidia
[12:52] <demente> I'm the king of the universe.
[12:52] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[12:52] <demente> I have a badge that says so.
[12:52] <slyfox> luca_b: yeah, because I can connect only rarely
[12:52] <slyfox> luca_b: alternatives ?
[12:52] <Minataku> SYS0110: It's okay, just calm down
[12:52] <Minataku> If nobody answers they're either busy or don't know
[12:52] <luca_b> slyfox: Any jabber client is fine, or do you want voice support?
[12:53] <musya> my computer is pretty old its running an AMD 1600+ and the motherboard cant take a faster proccessor
[12:53] <demente> So, yeah - Amarok splash screens, is it possible to change them? Cos other wise I figure I'm just wasting time.
[12:53] <Minataku> Also, intelikey is right, Ubuntu uses GNOME, Kubuntu uses KDE
[12:53] <luca_b> demente: AFAICT, no
[12:53] <intelikey> stat doesn't even do wildcards  how lame is that.
[12:53] <demente> luca_b: damn. : (
[12:53] <luca_b> musya: do you remember which chipset does your motherboard use? VIA or nForce?
[12:54] <musya> honestly i dont
[12:54] <musya> its not in easy reach right now
[12:54] <intelikey> well i have a work around for now.  thanks for all the effort and ToD guys.
[12:54] <slyfox> luca_b: what otehr jabber clients? Voice would be great, but I sattled down with skype for voice.
[12:54] <musya> is there a driver i need? or is it just the motherboard?
[12:55] <luca_b> slyfox: I use Psi, you can use Gaijim or anything of the sort... Gaim also works
[12:55] <luca_b> musya: I'm trying to figure that out. Open a terminal, type in "lspci" and paste the output on the pastebin (address on channel topic)
[12:56] <slyfox> luca_b: Psi, interesting, what is the website ?
[12:56] <luca_b> slyfox: ubuntu has it in their repositories
[12:56] <jordo23> once I have nvidia's glx driver installed how do I change screen resolution>?
[12:57] <musya> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4037/
[12:57] <slyfox> luca_b: I will google and see if I can find it, I wonder how it looks
[12:57] <musya> the mouse is freaking annoying as hell
[12:57] <demente> luca_b: I prefered the previous one, before Fastforward.
[12:58] <demente> I use Ubuntu, but I always install a set of KDE apps because a lot of them are much better than the Gnome counterparts.
[12:58] <slyfox> luca_b: actually I just followed this post: http://amazing-development.com/archives/2006/01/20/using-google-talk-with-kopete/   and all works
[12:59] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: specify it explicitly in xorg.conf or use xrandr (if you use 9xxx you need Option          "IncludeImplicitMetaModes" "False" in xorg.conf Section "Screen")
[12:59] <demente> ie, Amarok, Konversation, KTorrent, Kopete...
[12:59] <jmichaelx> in my xlog, it gives this error 'GLX is not supported with the Composite extension'. could someone tell me what this might be so that i can get accelerated 3D working again?
[12:59] <luca_b> slyfox: just a matter of apt-getting, anyway, I'll give you the page in a sec
[12:59] <luca_b> slyfox: http://psi.affinix.com/
[12:59] <luca_b> jordo23: drop to a terminal and type "sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and follow through the steps. Make sure to select "nvidia" as driver
[12:59] <luca_b> jordo23: then pick the resolutions you want to support. The highest one will be the one used first
[12:59] <luca_b> musya: looking at it
[12:59] <rEvolution27> how do i disable multiple desktops?
[12:59] <luca_b> musya: ok, your MB uses a VIA chipset
[01:00] <luca_b> musya: do the lock ups happen when you access disk heavily?
[01:00] <musya> nope random times
[01:00] <luca_b> jmichaelx: ATI or NVIDIA video card?
[01:00] <intelikey> rEvolution27 set the number of desktops to 1
[01:00] <musya> sometimes when heavily accessed yea
[01:00] <demente> rEvolution27: why not just... not use them?
[01:00] <jmichaelx> luca_b: nvidia
[01:00] <slyfox> luca_b: thanks. But kopete looks nicer.
[01:00] <luca_b> musya: just for checks, paste me the output of "sudo hdparm /dev/hda"
[01:00] <demente> kopete is the sex.
[01:01] <rEvolution27> i'm using beryl demente
[01:01] <intelikey> oh
[01:01] <intelikey> !beryl
[01:01] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:01] <intelikey> see the channel ^
[01:01] <rEvolution27> no not the beryl
[01:02] <rEvolution27> i want to disable the multiple desktop applet on the taskbar
[01:02] <intelikey> remove it from the taskbar
[01:02] <rEvolution27> how?
[01:02] <intelikey> right click
[01:02] <musya> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/
[01:02] <rEvolution27> oh nvm
[01:03] <rEvolution27> sigh i'm so stupid sometimes
[01:03] <intelikey> no argument form me on that.....  :)
[01:03] <luca_b> slyfox: you're right, that howto worked, thanks
[01:04] <luca_b> musya: address incomplete, shouldn't there be a number after the URL?
[01:04] <slyfox> luca_b: if an error occurs, just press continue and that is it
[01:04] <musya> sorry it showed me an error
[01:04] <musya> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4039/
[01:05] <musya> that will wokr
[01:05] <musya> work*
[01:05] <luca_b> musya: found it
[01:05] <luca_b> musya: DMA enabled, so that rules it out
[01:05] <musya> what DMA anyway?
[01:05] <luca_b> musya: DIrect Memory Access, basically a way to speed up disk access
[01:05] <jordo23> !flash
[01:05] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:05] <ubotu> (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[01:05] <musya> so any idea?
[01:05] <luca_b> musya: slow operation with disk access means it's disabled
[01:06] <luca_b> musya: I'll check something, hold on
[01:06] <jordo23> What's the package and repository for Flash 9
[01:06] <Minataku> Ugh... someone replace the !flash pointer
[01:06] <intelikey> !flash9
[01:06] <ubotu> Flash 9 (Final release) is now available for dapper-backports and edgy-backports. See !backports and !flash
[01:06] <Minataku> That's so stupid, the end-user doesn't have a choice to use Flash or not
[01:06] <Minataku> It should NOT be linked to !multimedia
[01:06] <jordo23> intelikey: thanks
[01:06] <intelikey> Minataku ?
[01:07] <musya> luca_b: ok
[01:07] <luca_b> musya: one last paste... dmesg | tail
[01:07] <Minataku> !flash is !flash9
[01:07] <Minataku> What the crap
[01:07] <h3sp4wn> The end user does hava a choice (I don't use flash at all)
[01:07] <intelikey> Minataku i choose to NOT use flash...   what are you on about ?
[01:07] <Minataku> Why not? You miss out without Flash
[01:08] <luca_b> musya: and a question, USB mouse or PS2?
[01:08] <intelikey> i haven't missed a thing.
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> I have missed out on loads of useless adds
[01:08] <h3sp4wn> *ads
[01:08] <luca_b> Minataku: IMO flash is one of the worst "technologies" ever made for web
[01:08] <Skyblast> Yeah, you miss out on great stuff like animated ads, and youtube. ;)
[01:08] <luca_b> Minataku: it's also vendor-locked
[01:08] <musya> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4040/
[01:08] <Minataku> I use adblock
[01:08] <musya> my monitor has slow reactions too i noticed it drags the screens when you move it around
[01:09] <luca_b> musya: uh oh
[01:09] <musya> the keyboard is ps2 but mouse is usb
[01:09] <Skyblast> I have played with the final version of flash 9 a lot lately
[01:09] <luca_b> musya: [17195695.516000]  hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC }
[01:09] <musya> logitech
[01:09] <Skyblast> It is still not very good
[01:09] <jordo23> What's the package name for flash9 in backports?
[01:09] <luca_b> musya: You may have a failing drive here
[01:09] <Minataku> Skyblast: It's better than the lame Flash 7 player
[01:09] <Skyblast> Yeah definitely
[01:09] <Skyblast> but it still craps out firefox once in a while
[01:09] <Minataku> Which desynched at the drop of a hat
[01:09] <luca_b> musya: I think the errors are caused by the drive
[01:09] <parents> just installed a new nvidia card with a tv out... does anyone know how to get the tv out to work?
[01:09] <Minataku> My only issues were FLV players crapping
[01:09] <h3sp4wn> jordo23: flashplugin-nonfree
[01:10] <Minataku> And that was usually once per video if at all
[01:10] <luca_b> musya: they are DMA errors, I'd suggest you back up your data
[01:10] <Minataku> Oh, yeah, 0x84 is BAD
[01:10] <intelikey> lol
[01:10] <Minataku> musya: Backup your data ASAP
[01:10] <musya> whats that mean exactly? can you kinda hold my hand here for a bit?
[01:10] <Minataku> This is not a drill
[01:10] <Minataku> musya: Forget what it means
[01:10] <Minataku> We'll talk later
[01:11] <Minataku> Right now, back up that data
[01:11] <musya> ok ill back up 1 sec
[01:11] <intelikey> 0x84 is an address.   hdd  or hde   i don't recall which
[01:11] <intelikey> hde
[01:11] <Minataku> intelikey: Negative
[01:11] <musya> anybody know of a good ftp gui
[01:11] <tsdgeos> konqueror?
[01:11] <tsdgeos> kbear?
[01:11] <tsdgeos> gftp?
[01:11] <Minataku> [17195695.516000]  hda: dma_intr: error=0x84 { DriveStatusError BadCRC } <<
[01:11] <Minataku> Screw GUI FTP clients
[01:11] <luca_b> musya: Sorry, can't help you here, I use command line FTP tools
[01:11] <Minataku> Just use ncftp
[01:11] <Minataku> !ncftp
[01:11] <ubotu> ncftp: A user-friendly and well-featured FTP client. In component universe, is optional. Version 2:3.1.9-1 (edgy), package size 441 kB, installed size 1020 kB
[01:11] <luca_b> Minataku: agreed
[01:11] <musya> ok ill ftp it luckly its only code so
[01:11] <h3sp4wn> I use ncftp but only because I have always have lftp is supposed to be better
[01:12] <luca_b> musya: your HD is old?
[01:12] <tsdgeos> btw you know ftp is helluva unsercure, right
[01:12] <tsdgeos> ?
[01:12] <luca_b> tsdgeos: you mean plaintext passwords?
[01:12] <Minataku> "DriveStatusError BadCRC" means the drive is failing consistency checks
[01:12] <tsdgeos> luca_b: that's ti
[01:12] <Minataku> The data that's supposed to be there isn't there
[01:12] <Minataku> And the checksums don't match
[01:12] <musya> yea its old
[01:12] <Minataku> musya: Yeah, get on backing it up ASAP
[01:12] <luca_b> tsdgeos: I usually use sftp or scp, but I fall back to FTP in some cases
[01:12] <musya> about 7 years
[01:13] <Phlosten> musya: kasablanca is a great ftp client
[01:13] <musya> ill back it up right now
[01:13] <luca_b> musya: an HD operative life is about 10 years, I think yours is getting close to dying
[01:13] <Minataku> It IS dying
[01:13] <Minataku> lol
[01:13] <Skyblast> Has anyone tried the beryl 0.2.0 RC1 yet?
[01:13] <luca_b> Skyblast: I did
[01:13] <musya> good thing i asked i would be pissed finals are around the corner
[01:13] <Skyblast> How's it coming along?
[01:13] <luca_b> Skyblast: DON'T use it if you use XGL
[01:13] <jmichaelx> finals in february?
[01:13] <luca_b> Skyblast: beryl-xgl segfaults
[01:14] <Skyblast> At the moment, I have no beryl setup. I haven't put it back on since I reloaded my Kubuntu install a month or so ago
[01:14] <luca_b> Skyblast: on my other box, with a NVIDIA card and AIGLX, goes around well
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> Skyblast: all I know about beryl 0.2.0 RC1 is it had packaging problems RC2 was supposed to fix them
[01:14] <jmichaelx> i had beryl working with xgl..... then i tried to switch to AIGLX, and all has been hell ever since
[01:14] <h3sp4wn> NVIDIA doesn't use AIGLX
[01:14] <Minataku> That's lame... RCs should not get out with critical issues
[01:14] <luca_b> I think XGL is an ugly hack, but it's the only way to use Beryl on my laptop (ATI card)
[01:14] <Minataku> ATI is an ugly hack
[01:15] <Minataku> Hopefully AMD turns them around
[01:15] <Minataku> AMD is an F/OSS supporter
[01:15] <h3sp4wn> (either that or every nvidia drivers supports AIGLX)
[01:15] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: it is a big debate, the docs tell you to use AIGLX with nvidia
[01:15] <Skyblast> I have an ATi card, but luckily mine is old enough then the radeon driver 3d support mostly works
[01:15] <musya> i got a hard drive - external. but i cant send files to it, it says permissions denied
[01:15] <luca_b> Minataku: sadly, yes, but I couldn't find a laptop with good NVIDIA graphics for my price range
[01:15] <jmichaelx> in my xlog, it gives this error 'GLX is not supported with the Composite extension'. could someone tell me what this might be so that i can get accelerated 3D working again?
[01:15] <parents> just installed a new nvidia card with a tv out... does anyone know how to get the tv out to work?
[01:15] <hammer2> hi all wireless trouble here NetGear WG511 and i have a log of whats been done so far pls take a look and tell me if ya can help me http://pastebin.ca/339301
[01:15] <luca_b> jmichaelx: One second, I'll tell you how to fix the composite thing
[01:16] <jmichaelx> luca_b: ty
[01:16] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: AIGLX is the part of xorg that deals with texture_from_pixmap - nvidia doesn't use that it uses its stuff (which is just a wrapper for the windows driver)
[01:16] <luca_b> jmichaelx: in the section "Device" where there is "Driver" "nvidia" etc etc
[01:16] <glimmung> hi all, can someone tell me, what am I supposed to do with an "apt source"?
[01:16] <luca_b> jmichaelx: add this
[01:16] <Skyblast> Right now my Kubuntu is using fglrx. I was seeing if there was any advantage of using it over the radeon driver. There isn't. In fact, fglrx makes some things more annoying for me
[01:16] <luca_b> jmichaelx: Option "AllowGLXWithComposite" "true"
[01:17] <jmichaelx> luca_b: thanks a million
[01:17] <parents> just installed a new nvidia card with a tv out... does anyone know how to get the tv out to work?
[01:17] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ty for the info
[01:17] <musya> any idea on how to let it copy and paste?
[01:17] <luca_b> Skyblast: don't tell me.. radeon doesn't work well on the X600 I have and fglrx bombs in resuming from hibernate
[01:18] <glimmung> im trying to install the latest amarok, but i dont understand the insturctions on this page, could someone explain them to me? http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.4.php
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: fwiw you can use texture_from_pixmap on dapper (xorg 7) with nvidia's drivers (aiglx was not part of xorg then)
[01:18] <Skyblast> Yeah, my friend has an X800 and he has all kinds of hell with it
[01:18] <h3sp4wn> <= X850 should work with free drivers now
[01:19] <luca_b> h3sp4wn: They have some problems with detecting the right monitor setup, I just get a blank screen and a lock up
[01:20] <luca_b> but since I don't use fancy 3D desktops, I'm fine with it (minus with hibernation not working)
[01:20] <alex_> how do I add startup items?
[01:20] <h3sp4wn> luca_b: I tried have tried them with a 9800pro and a 9700pro mobility and they worked pretty well
[01:20] <SYS0110> i wanna use multi language on gnome(i mean switch between 2 languages)
[01:20] <SYS0110> i wanna use multi language on gnome(i mean switch between 2 languages)
[01:20] <luca_b> h3sp4wn: that's what it's inside my brother's VAIO, and in fact he can get hibernation even with fglrx
[01:21] <glimmung> alex_: make a toolbar entry for the apps you want, then move them to ~/.kde/Autostart
[01:21] <musya> luca_b: so what was my exact error stating?
[01:21] <luca_b> musya: as MInataku said
[01:21] <luca_b> musya: data consistency checks were failing
[01:21] <musya> what does that mean?
[01:22] <Skyblast> I only have a 9800SE, so radeon works fine. Maybe later tonight I'll go back to my old config and try beryl with aiglx again
[01:22] <Minataku> More than likely in this case the physical media of the drive was beginning to deteriorate
[01:22] <musya> ah,
[01:22] <stringa> hello...........how do i register kubuntu?
[01:22] <musya> is there a way to back up my whole system?
[01:22] <tsdgeos> lol
[01:22] <Skyblast> Register?
[01:22] <Minataku> stringa: Fill out the registration card and mail it in
[01:22] <h3sp4wn> luca_b: I used suspend2
[01:22] <musya> so i dont have to reinstal everytihing on my new drive
[01:22] <luca_b> h3sp4wn: Never tried it
[01:22] <musya> stringa:  there is no registration
[01:23] <luca_b> musya: do you remember if you made a separate /home partition?
[01:23] <glimmung> can anyone explain to me if these instructions want me to use apt? http://kubuntu.org/announcements/amarok-1.4.4.php
[01:23] <SYS0110> i wanna use multi language on gnome(i mean switch between 2 languages)
[01:23] <SYS0110> i wanna use multi language on gnome(i mean switch between 2 languages)
[01:23] <stringa> i need gcc and when I run sudo apt-get install I always get 'E:\package not found'
[01:23] <musya> luca_b: dont think so i did an automatic partition
[01:23] <Minataku> SYS0110: Please ask in #ubuntu
[01:23] <tsdgeos> stringa: apt-get install gcc ;-)
[01:23] <Minataku> This channel is for the Ubuntu variant Kubuntu which utilizes KDE
[01:23] <luca_b> musya: then you want to back up everything in /home/<username> where username is your actual user name
[01:24] <Minataku> Indeed, everything else can be reinstalled
[01:24] <tsdgeos> stringa: other than that maybe your sources.list sucks and you don't have things there
[01:24] <glimmung> can anyone tell me what do I do with an "apt source"?
[01:24] <stringa> how do i fix that one
[01:24] <luca_b> musya: Suggestion when you reinstall - make up a separate /home partition, it's great when you screw up your system, because user data stays safe
[01:25] <Skyblast> Oh! While I'm thinking about it... does anyone know why MPlayer's icon is all scrambled down in the taskbar area as well as the title bar? This happens in any desktop environment I try on (X)(K)Ubuntu
[01:25] <luca_b> As a matter of fact, I am puzzled that *buntu doesn't use that as default when installing (at least in alternate mode, I never use the liveCD)
[01:25] <musya> luca_b: what do you mean screw up my system? you mean i ruiend my drive?
[01:25] <luca_b> musya: no no no, I was talking about the future
[01:26] <luca_b> musya: next time you install linux
[01:26] <musya> ok
[01:26] <Skyblast> yeah a seperate /home and /boot will save you a lot of trouble sometime
[01:26] <musya> ill look at some barbone kits?
[01:26] <musya> what is the system recs for kubuntu?
[01:26] <musya> or ubuntu?
[01:27] <luca_b> Skyblast: as long as /boot is large enough, I recall making one too lilttle and with 2 kernels it filled up... intrd generation failed and it was a pain to fix
[01:27] <Minataku> Set aside 256MB for /boot
[01:27] <glimmung> can anyone tell me what do I do with an "apt source"?
[01:27] <Minataku> That should provide for several kernels+initrds
[01:27] <luca_b> glimmung: they're meant to be added to the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[01:28] <parents> just installed a new nvidia card with a tv out... does anyone know how to get the tv out to work?
[01:28] <Minataku> You always want more than one
[01:28] <musya> ok
[01:28] <Skyblast> parents: have you tried using the binary drivers?
[01:28] <musya> man, i cant ftp
[01:28] <Minataku> Especially when upgrading, you want the last working one in case the new one fails
[01:28] <musya> i just did ftp host
[01:29] <parents> the nvidia drivers are installed
[01:29] <luca_b> Minataku: usually I keep 3, latest + 2 older ones
[01:29] <musya> and then i do put /home/michae/cs161.zip
[01:29] <musya> and it says no such file?
[01:29] <parents> but i get no signal to the tv.. only during boot.. then when i get to the login, it goes black
[01:29] <Minataku> luca_b: True
[01:29] <Minataku> Which is why I said 256MB
[01:30] <Skyblast> parents: Maybe this will be helpful? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/NvidiaTVOut
[01:30] <stringa> How come Adept Manager doesn't recognize my wireless card?       is that normal?
[01:31] <jordo23> !java
[01:31] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[01:31] <intelikey> 200m+ for boot ?   a kernel + initrd.img takes up about 6m
[01:31] <luca_b> stringa: depends on the wireless card, remember the make and model?
[01:32] <Minataku> intelikey: I don't use an initrd so I erred on the side of caution
[01:32] <Minataku> I can stuff about 6 or 7 kernels into 50MB
[01:32] <stringa> gateway laptop...........i'm online chatting to you with it right now
[01:32] <Minataku> I assumed that the Kubuntu initrd which is stuffed with every boot-critical module would be pretty big
[01:33] <intelikey> Minataku sure.   so 5 X that is kinda  PLENTY  but safe doesn't hurt as bad as sorry.
[01:33] <luca_b> stringa: any chance to find the model?
[01:33] <luca_b> stringa: of the laptop I mean
[01:34] <stringa> CX210X
[01:34] <smaggard> well i got my sftp jail but now my webdirs in the /home folder says access forbidden.. hmmm
[01:34] <goodthing> are there any plans in changing the standard icons with feisty?
[01:34] <intelikey> wow  mount /cdrom  closed the tray to mount it... i don't guess i'd ever tried that before.
[01:35] <goodthing> into tango would make it much more attractive than crystal
[01:36] <luca_b> stringa: it is an intel-based chipset apparently
[01:36] <luca_b> stringa: should be supported on linux
[01:36] <luca_b> stringa: you should try and issue a "sudo modprobe ipw2200" and see what happens
[01:36] <intelikey> hmmm doesn't always work...   mount /disks/cdrom
[01:36] <intelikey> Mountainman: No medium found
[01:36] <luca_b> (in console, of course)
[01:37] <coach> I want to add Kubuntu to my Sabayon linux install (dual boot) can someonr point me to some documentation that might help?
[01:38] <intelikey> but nick: completion always seems to work when you don't want it too....
[01:40] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: i am not trying to say this is a good thing, but i have beryl working with AIGLX....
[01:41] <jmichaelx> with an older nVidia card
[01:42] <coach> beryl works with PClinuxOs and Sabayon out of the box
[01:42] <coach> NP
[01:43] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: aiglx doesn't support nvidia cards
[01:43] <intelikey> and k3b makes me the prettiest coasters you ever did see.............
[01:44] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: are you just saying that even if you can run aiglx with an nvidia card, you shouldn't?
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: grep -i aiglx /var/log/Xorg.0.log (will return nothing with nvidia)
[01:44] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: If you are running aiglx then you will get something similar to |AIGLX enabled|| or so
[01:45] <h3sp4wn> texture_from_pixmap is not aiglx
[01:45] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: ok... i entered that command and got nothing..... i wonder how in the  world beryl is running then?? i do not have xgl installed
[01:46] <intelikey> !beryl | go here for help with
[01:46] <ubotu> go here for help with: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: its using texture_from_pixmap but that can be implimented either by the nvidia driver or AIGLX
[01:47] <jmichaelx> intelikey: sorry about all of the banter about beryl.....   i am just confused about this
[01:47] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: With the newest NVIDIA drivers, the OpenGL calls are supported in the driver itself, with no need for X.org (version 7 and newer) to provide the indirect rendering facility.
[01:47] <jmichaelx> h3sp4wn: that is fascinating but confusing lol
[01:47] <jmichaelx> i see
[01:48] <h3sp4wn> jmichaelx: (that is from the aiglx wikipedia article)
[01:48] <anaryin> 'night everyone
[01:48] <jmichaelx> i am using the nvidia-glx-legacy driver.... the newest... which is not even right for my card, but the right one is not in the repos...
[01:49] <ninHer> hi all
[01:49] <anaryin> I'm having a little problem installing/getting to work a webcam from lifetech... anyone can give me a hand? thanks!
[01:49] <jmichaelx> beryl is working well, but slightly sluggish
[01:49] <krups> core 2 duo decent on ubuntu?  or should i stick to amd64.  if going intel, what packages do i use?
[01:50] <intelikey> !webcam | anaryin
[01:50] <ubotu> anaryin: webcam is now easy to install on Linux; instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:50] <musya> ok i got it backed up now what?
[01:51] <anaryin> thanks :)
[01:56] <intelikey> ok someone remind me, is there a way to force kde "mainly konqueror"  to never use a "trash" ?
[01:57] <Sanne> intelikey: shift-delete (by default) when deleting files, I think.
[01:57] <awilcox> How do I get the default control back?
[01:58] <musya> can you use kubuntu on pentium d? its 64 bit? or does 64 have to be just amd?
[01:58] <awilcox> musya there is an IA64 version
[01:58] <awilcox> Sorry, I need to ask better.
[01:58] <musya> well can i use the amd64 install on intel?
[01:58] <awilcox> Where can I change my network information e.g. IP address, gateway, etc... on the KDE Control Center?
[01:59] <intelikey> Sanne ok   that works for a one shot deal.  but that's not an affective cure...
[01:59] <goodthing> musya: you can put any of i386 or amd64 on that
[01:59] <awilcox> I changed from the default settings handler (I don't remember what it is called) and instead use the KDE Control Center, and can't find a Network Settings.
[01:59] <jmichaelx> intelikey: i don't remember how, but you can also add 'delete' to your menu, and you can even shut the whole trash business off... you would have to poke around
[01:59] <musya> because  i only see x86 for intel
[01:59] <alex_> musya: it works for both AMD64 and EM64T
[01:59] <musya> so amd64 install will work on intel?
[01:59] <musya> ok
[01:59] <musya> thanks
[01:59] <Sanne> intelikey: well, I just swapped the keyboard shortcuts for konqui, other than that, I don't know. Reminds me to look into the trash if something's in it...
[02:00] <awilcox> I am on Linux.
[02:00] <intelikey> jmichaelx yeah got that.  but that still doesn't "prevent" the use of trash cans
[02:00] <goodthing> musya: yeah, but that is just because of the past and how everybody got to know of it
[02:00] <awilcox> argh
[02:00] <awilcox> I mean, I am on Dapper.
[02:00] <musya> ok thanks, you think intel or amd is better for linux?
[02:00] <intelikey> Sanne k   ty
[02:00] <goodthing> musya: currently with core 2 duo it's intel taking the lead
[02:01] <musya> but just like and 64 3700 or pentium d?
[02:01] <jmichaelx> ahhh
[02:02] <musya> goodthing: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=722255&Tab=2&NoMapp=0
[02:02] <awilcox> Older AMDs were terrible, but anything >= Athlon is probably better than Intel
[02:02] <musya> wht do you tink about that?
[02:03] <specialbuddy> how do I get my task bar back?
[02:03] <goodthing> musya: depends, you can buy budget or go sky high in performence. But the model is good en performce better than other desktop cpu's currently...
[02:03] <weedar> So the remote desktop connection isn't vnc compatible?
[02:03] <goodthing> *and
[02:03] <weedar> What do I need to download? :)
[02:03] <Sanne> intelikey: well, my ~/.local/share/Trash is empty, so for me my method seems to work fine.
[02:03] <awilcox> specialbuddy: Is there a button that looks like "<" on the very bottom-right of your screen?
[02:04] <specialbuddy> awilcox I did xkill on it by accident
[02:04] <specialbuddy> so it's gone
[02:04] <marco_> hello,
[02:04] <marco_> someone speak spanish?
[02:04] <awilcox> specialbuddy oh, you can restart KDE
[02:04] <awilcox> !es | marco_
[02:04] <ubotu> marco_: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:04] <jordo23> !java | jordo23
[02:04] <ubotu> jordo23: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[02:04] <specialbuddy> that will bring it back
[02:04] <specialbuddy> ?
[02:04] <awilcox> specialbuddy I believe so, it should
[02:04] <specialbuddy> thanks
[02:04] <specialbuddy> going to try that
[02:05] <awilcox> So how do I change my gateway IP using Kubuntu?  I don't care if it is through shell or GUI, I just need it changed now while I am still connected to IRC :x
[02:05] <goodthing> musya: intel vs amd for linux, well, i think that does not really matter. But that might change when you look at the chipsets which come with them, and to be honest i don't know much about that.
[02:06] <smaggard> i believe its /etc/network/interfaces
[02:06] <musya> k
[02:06] <musya> thanks
[02:06] <smaggard> yup
[02:06] <smaggard> its static right?
[02:06] <awilcox> musya: I find Intel and nForce chipsets easiest
[02:06] <awilcox> smaggard: yes static IP
[02:07] <awilcox> so I change in there and reboot?  or just /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[02:07] <intelikey> i think i got it.   as per howto prevent the use of trash: rm -fr ~/.trash ;touch ~/.trach  # seems to work if i'm not missing something.
[02:07] <musya> k
[02:07] <musya> thanks
[02:07] <intelikey> s/trash/local/g ^
[02:07] <Sanne> intelikey: ah, interesting
[02:08] <awilcox> smaggard: so I change in there and reboot?  or just /etc/init.d/networking restart?
[02:08] <smaggard> yeah
[02:09] <smaggard> u can do the networking restart and its the same as rebooting
[02:09] <specialbuddy> how can I make it so that the wireless comes up without a pass?
[02:09] <smaggard> comes up without a pass .. hmm
[02:10] <specialbuddy> do I have to add my name to that group if I want to use it without a pass
[02:10] <specialbuddy> password
[02:10] <smaggard> iunno.. hm
[02:11] <underdog5004> I've been streaming mp3's from my server for a while now, but when I tried to do it today, I got this message (and it's for all media, not just streamed, nor mp3's): No Plugin found to handly this resource.
[02:12] <underdog5004> a killall kaffeine doesn't work, rebooting doesn't work, and logging out/in doesn't work
[02:12] <underdog5004> actually, they all "work", but none solve my problem.
[02:13] <coach> I need to learn how to boot sabayon linux with Kubuntu, anyone know a source of info?
[02:14] <h3sp4wn> just use the chainloader method (2 copies of grub would be easiest)
[02:14] <christopher> what should I do if dis-upgrade reports a broken package
[02:14] <christopher> ?
[02:14] <coach> h3sp4wn: just google chainloader?
[02:15] <underdog5004> coach, just google dual-boot
[02:15] <underdog5004> coach, grup is a chainloader
[02:15] <coach> k
[02:15] <underdog5004> grub
[02:16] <h3sp4wn> don't install grub to the mbr (to the root partition instead) then chainloader it in the same way as the menu.lst example for windows
[02:16] <underdog5004> ok, never mind, looks like it is just a specific folder on my server...bummer
[02:16] <coach> basicly I am just going to install Kubuntu of free space then add it to grub, correct
[02:16] <intelikey> coach if you don't need to change the kernel just pivot_root into it.
[02:17] <coach> over my head
[02:17] <specialbuddy> does anyone know how to get wireless assistant to work without entering a password, or any other program that is better than this one
[02:18] <intelikey> specialbuddy have init start it for you.
[02:18] <specialbuddy> ok
[02:20] <coach> h3sp4wn: I already have sabayon installed, using Grub do I nee to install Grub again?
[02:20] <h3sp4wn> coach: Don't need to but it is easier to do so
[02:21] <intelikey> alternately you could add that command to the sudoers file    whoever ALL NOPASSWD :/path/filename   # just an example.
[02:21] <jordo23> Anyone ever install Teamspeak?
[02:22] <NightBird> does anyone know why on my system, the sound sometimes works and sometimes doesn't?
[02:22] <coach> h3sp4wn: I guess I'll just have to jump in, this is my expermintal HD anyway
[02:25] <smaggard> yay got it!!\bye
[02:25] <smaggard> g2g
[02:25] <smaggard> gettin the pizza :D
[02:25] <draik> How do I get k3b to burn the hidden files?
[02:25] <draik> I want to backup everything in my /home/user/* and got only the few files that are there and NOT hidden
[02:26] <draik> I want to burn everything to a DVD
[02:26] <leafw> anyone on a thinkpad? How can one disable bluetooth, infrared, and the USB system, dynamically when switching to battery mode?
[02:26] <draik> In total, I have 3.3 GB in /home/user/*
[02:26] <leafw> for thinkpad owners: is acpi or apm recommended? Looks like *both* are available
[02:27] <h3sp4wn> leafw: If acpi is working correctly use acpi
[02:27] <leafw> h3sp4wn : if I select from a menu "suspend", the laptop suspends; if I close the lid, it fails. It's all mamagd by acpi, I think.
[02:27] <leafw> and suspending takes for ever, like, 15 to 30 seconds
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> I would use suspend2
[02:28] <draik> leafw: How does Kubuntu look/function on a Thinkpad? I have been wanting to get one, but not sure yet. What is your opinion?
[02:28] <h3sp4wn> http://www.suspend2.net/
[02:29] <goodthing> draik: go in k3b to the home folder and right click in the files section, choose picture (translated, might be different in eng), show hidden files (add same note here).
[02:29] <leafw> draik : kubuntu looks and works just fine on the thinkpad
[02:29] <leafw> the only problem is the long suspend times
[02:29] <draik> Thank you goodthing
[02:30] <draik> leafw: I would use it for my messaging and such. I leave it on for extended periods of time.
[02:30] <leafw> even beryl/xgl works (byt xgl is buggy, grows in memory usage over time)
[02:30] <leafw> draik : I am a former owner of a powerbook for the last 4 years. I never rebooted my machine (like, once every 6 months or so, by a software update requirement)
[02:31] <leafw> so this inability to sleep/resume fast and reliably is very annoying for my style
[02:31] <leafw> now I have reliable suspend (at last) by disabling powernowd (the freq scaling daemon) before suspending, in a script.
[02:32] <draik> leafw: That is understandable. Unfortunately, I don't have an answer for you. I hope you find what you are looking for and are able to get the results you are looking for.\
[02:32] <leafw> draik : in the thinkwiki pages there is a lot of help and info, check them out
[02:32] <jordo23> Where do you setup a microphone with Kubuntu?
[02:32] <alex_> did anyone have any trouble with intel pro wireless? mine wasn't detected during setup
[02:33] <leafw> draik: it is unfortunate that suspend and battery usage time is so pitifull under linux, compared to osx or even M$
[02:34] <jarn> How do I mount a filesystem so that users can read it?
[02:34] <jarn> It has the users flag in fstab but I still can't read it.
[02:34] <jarn> It's an ntfs filesystem.
[02:34] <Hobbsee> !away | jarn
[02:34] <ubotu> jarn: Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[02:35] <jarn> Oh, I'm sorry.
[02:35] <Minataku> Oh, come on, that's just asinine
[02:35] <Hobbsee> jarn: sudo chown user.user /mnt/windows - change where it's mounted, and your username
[02:35] <Minataku> user:group
[02:35] <Hobbsee> jarn: no problem :)
[02:35] <Minataku> Hobbsee: It's user:group
[02:36] <jarn> Hobbsee: Should I chown it before or after I mount it?
[02:36] <AxlRose> I need some help with the mplayer firefox plug in
[02:36] <AxlRose> I'm tryin to watch some trailers on Yahoo, and  I can only hear sound but no picture
[02:36] <Hobbsee> Minataku: that is true.  however, seeing as the group tends to be the user too...
[02:36] <Minataku> Since when?
[02:36] <Hobbsee> jarn: either.  probably before
[02:36] <Minataku> Is that an Ubuntu thing?
[02:37] <AxlRose> it says Mplayer Plugin, and it shows where the streaming is coming from
[02:37] <Hobbsee> Minataku: unlikely
[02:37] <jarn> Hobbsee: I still get permission denied.
[02:37] <Minataku> All my stuff is ed:users
[02:37] <Hobbsee> jarn: hrm
[02:42] <linuxfanstar> hey
[02:42] <linuxfanstar> how do i configure wifi in kubuntu
[02:43] <HymnToLife> !wireless | linuxfanstar
[02:43] <ubotu> linuxfanstar: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[02:43] <specialbuddy> what's a good way of setting up the programs that run during startup
[02:43] <linuxfanstar> thanks
[02:44] <draik>  goodthing, Do I want to "Follow link now" or "Add symbolic link to project"?
[02:45] <linuxfanstar> these documents are mostly for gnome
[02:46] <linuxfanstar> i know how to set it up in ubuntu
[02:46] <linuxfanstar> system, admin, networking
[02:46] <linuxfanstar> but that menu is not in kubuntu
[02:52] <linuxfanstar> hello can someone help me plz?
[02:55] <draik> specialbuddy: Add a link/shortcut to /home/username/.kde/Autostart/(app-link/shortcut)
[02:57] <foo> How do I select the clock to not be in 24 hour format?
[02:58] <goodthing> draik, well, add link will probably add the linked files, which i assume is not what you'd want. So i would /try/ the first option, but this is new for me too...
[02:58] <draik> goodthing: Ok. I will go with Follow link. Thank you for your assistance
[02:58] <goodthing> in that i never burned hidden folders in /home
[02:59] <goodthing> yw
[02:59] <alex_> does anyone have Intel 3945ABG wireless?
[02:59] <alex_> mine was detected during installation, but wasn't setup
[02:59] <alex_> how do I setup it up?
[03:00] <alex_> anyone?
[03:01] <jarn> What package is the equivalent of gtk-devel?
[03:01] <underdog5004> alex, I'd like to help you. Hold on whilst I google around.
[03:01] <jarn> Something I'm trying to compile to needs it and it's not in the repository.
[03:02] <jarn> Does it just have a different name now or do I need to enable a new repository.
[03:02] <alex_> ok, but google wasn't much of a friend this time
[03:02] <underdog5004> http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/ <== looks pretty good!
[03:02] <alex_> in fact, I found that someone with the same laptop as mine had it working "out of the box"
[03:03] <underdog5004> alex_, check out this site...   http://ipw3945.sourceforge.net/
[03:05] <alex_> and how do I install it?
[03:05] <alex_> compile?
[03:05] <alex_> :(
[03:05] <underdog5004> alex_, lol, gimme a sec
[03:06] <underdog5004> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/scripts-df-external/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2259&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go%21
[03:06] <underdog5004> readme: http://downloadmirror.intel.com/df-support/10315/ENG/Install_and_Support_Notes.txt
[03:07] <underdog5004> look good, alex_ ?
[03:08] <specialbuddy> how do I set up programs to run at start up
[03:08] <alex_> underdog5004: not really, I was hoping it would come with the distribution
[03:08] <alex_> underdog5004: or work out of the box
[03:08] <underdog5004> alex_, you're gonna have to get your hands dirty eventually...I'll walk you through it.
[03:09] <alex_> underdog5004: alright, so I need to get something else first according to the read me correct?
[03:10] <underdog5004> nope, just go to the first link, I think
[03:10] <underdog5004> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/scripts-df-external/filter_results.aspx?strTypes=all&ProductID=2259&OSFullName=Linux*&lang=eng&strOSs=39&submit=Go%21
[03:11] <underdog5004> wait a sec, getting a better link
[03:11] <underdog5004> http://downloadcenter.intel.com/scripts-df-external/confirm.aspx?httpDown=http://downloadmirror.intel.com/df-support/10315/eng/ipw3945-linux-1.2.0.tgz&agr=&ProductID=2259&DwnldId=10315&strOSs=&OSFullName=&lang=eng
[03:11] <underdog5004> just click that to download the driver
[03:12] <alex_> ok
[03:12] <xurpasops> hehe
[03:12] <xurpasops> hello
[03:12] <glin> hehe
[03:12] <alex_> extracted
[03:12] <alex_> now what?
[03:12] <alex_> it says I need to go and get some subsystem
[03:12] <underdog5004> lol, downloading now...
[03:13] <Minataku> alex_: If it says something you don't understand, it's usually a good idea to tell us the whole thing
[03:13] <Minataku> lol
[03:13] <glin> hi people
[03:14] <Minataku> :3
[03:14] <alex_> First, we build and install the ieee80211 subsystem.  You can obtain
[03:14] <alex_> the latest ieee80211 subsystem from http://ieee80211.sf.net.
[03:14] <alex_> looks clear to me... I guess I should download it
[03:15] <Minataku> Go for it
[03:16] <underdog5004> alex_, I'm having trouble extracting the file...sorry. Hold on.
[03:17] <alex_> underdog5004: me too, it doesn't seem to work
[03:17] <alex_> underdog5004: I am using the one from SF.net
[03:18] <alex_> so far so good, "subsystem" is done with... moving on to the driver
[03:18] <alex_> wish me luck
[03:19] <underdog5004> d'l'ing the sf one now...
[03:20] <alex_> I am getting errors
[03:20] <alex_> :(
[03:20] <underdog5004> pastebin | alex_
[03:20] <alex_> !pastebin
[03:20] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[03:21] <specialbuddy> has anyone here got mtpdude to work with kubuntu
[03:21] <alex_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4054/
[03:21] <alex_> underdog5004: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4054/
[03:22] <alex_> that's after executing make in the driver directory
[03:22] <underdog5004> alex_, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-246655.html
[03:22] <underdog5004> he's got the same problem...not sure if it gets solved yet.
[03:23] <alex_> omg I can't believe this.... the suggestion is a full re-install
[03:23] <alex_> DAMN
[03:23] <underdog5004> we can make it work...patience
[03:23] <underdog5004> he was on dapper, not edgy..
[03:24] <Minataku> Yeah, relax
[03:25] <Minataku> There's always a way to fix things in Linux
[03:25] <Minataku> This isn't Windows anymore :D
[03:26] <underdog5004> reading...
[03:27] <alex_> well it says to do sudo make uninstall
[03:27] <alex_> I tried that, not sure if that did anything
[03:27] <underdog5004> alex_, there, at the bottom, when robinsingn  pops in, he gives the solution.
[03:27] <underdog5004> sudo make uninstallfrom within the tarball.
[03:27] <underdog5004> then he open synaptic, and installed the headers and image
[03:27] <alex_> underdog5004: yep
[03:27] <alex_> that's what I just did
[03:27] <intelikey> is there any way to read the file list from an un-fixiated data cd ?
[03:27] <underdog5004> sweet
[03:28] <alex_> underdog5004: hang on
[03:28] <Minataku> You actually read instructions and took initiative
[03:28] <Minataku> You deserve that trophy :D
[03:28] <alex_> LOL oh please... "monkey see, monkey do"
[03:28] <Minataku> lol
[03:28] <underdog5004> that's what's at the heart of the linux community
[03:28] <intelikey> monkeys ?
[03:29] <intelikey> :)
[03:29] <underdog5004> I think people get scared from seeing things like ieee80211 and ipw3945
[03:29] <Minataku> alex_: Except most of the time it's "monkey see, monkey get confused and ask stupid questions about the instructions right in front of them"
[03:29] <Minataku> XD
[03:29] <intelikey> monkeys are at the hart of the penguin community....
[03:29] <jjesse> can you setup kontact to access your google calendar?
[03:29] <alex_> lol
[03:29] <underdog5004> alex_, is it working?
[03:29] <Minataku> "Do I click OK now?"
[03:29] <intelikey> Minataku
[03:29] <specialbuddy> has anyone here got mtp to work with kubuntu?
[03:29] <Minataku> "It's the only damn button in the box! YES! CLICK IT!"
[03:30] <underdog5004> !mtp
[03:30] <intelikey> Minataku i'd say lol   but i'm laughing to hard to type it....
[03:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mtp - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:30] <underdog5004> specialbuddy, what is mtp?
[03:30] <Minataku> intelikey: XD
[03:30] <underdog5004> alex_,  is your wireless working now?
[03:30] <specialbuddy> microsoft transfer protocol or something like that
[03:30] <specialbuddy> it's for mp3 devices
[03:30] <alex_> underdog5004: not yet, hang on
[03:30] <specialbuddy> like the iriver clix
[03:30] <Minataku> lol
[03:30] <underdog5004> clits?
[03:31] <Minataku> Language
[03:31] <Minataku> lol
[03:31] <underdog5004> oh...right, that's not subliminal at all...clix, clits, big difference
[03:31] <specialbuddy> umm...
[03:31] <Minataku> Like the Axe fragrance
[03:31] <underdog5004> specialbuddy, weird, never heard of a protocol for mp3 players
[03:31] <Minataku> Axe Clix smells good
[03:31] <underdog5004> Minataku, exactly.
[03:31] <Minataku> I have Axe Clix deoderant
[03:31] <specialbuddy> yeah
[03:32] <underdog5004> specialbuddy, and you can't access it as a mass-storage device?
[03:32] <Minataku> It was the first stick I saw in the University convience store
[03:32] <Minataku> lol
[03:32] <specialbuddy> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_Transfer_Protocol
[03:32] <Minataku> Turned out to be a really good random purchase
[03:32] <specialbuddy> not very easily
[03:32] <Minataku> specialbuddy: I think Amarok can do that
[03:33] <intelikey> it's not often i record a one liner from irc  but that one ranked the list.   tty4 [greg@~]  cat monkey-C
[03:33] <intelikey> in the kubuntu help channel most of the time it's "monkey see, monkey get confused and ask stupid questions"
[03:33] <Minataku> intelikey: Heehee ^^
[03:33] <intelikey> :)
[03:33] <Minataku> A friend of mine uses (I think it's) Amarok to send stuff to his MP3 player
[03:34] <underdog5004> there's another one...can't think of it though...
[03:34] <underdog5004> !ipod
[03:34] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[03:35] <crazy_bus> How do you download a .deb file from the ubuntu repo's to install on a computer without the internet (I need knetworkmanager) to get the internet working
[03:37] <alex_> underdog5004: nope, I still can't get it to work
[03:38] <alex_> I installed that netowkr manager, and yet the wireless assistant still doesn't see the controller
[03:38] <cpk1> crazy_bus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/
[03:38] <intelikey> you can install it "and there by note the dependancies" then copy it from /var/cache/apt/archives crazy_bus
[03:38] <cpk1> crazy_bus: you will need to download the .deb of knetworkmanager and also all its dependencies if they arent already on the other computer
[03:38] <intelikey> along  with the deps.  ^
[03:39] <crazy_bus> where is the download for the .deb here? http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/source/knetworkmanager
[03:39] <N9NU-|-Linux> I switch from another distro and having trouble install with the GUI with Feisty Release 3. I am programmer and love to mess with code
[03:39] <crazy_bus> all I can see is the sources
[03:40] <intelikey> or you can wget it.  but i'd still sujest the apt-get
[03:40] <cpk1> crazy_bus: http://packages.ubuntu.com/edgy/kde/knetworkmanager
[03:40] <cpk1> crazy_bus: there is a clicky at the top of the page you are at for the link i gave you =)
[03:40] <N9NU-|-Linux> its an AMD 64 4000 4GB nForce 4 mobo
[03:41] <crazy_bus> thanks cpk1
[03:41] <cpk1> crazy_bus: all the ones with a red circle you will need to make sure the computer you are installing this on has or you will need to download them too, it can start to get quite ugly though
[03:42] <alex_> underdog5004: lol, are you still there?
[03:42] <cpk1> crazy_bus: you shouldnt need knetworkmanager to use the internet
[03:42] <crazy_bus> I want to access wireless internet off the livecd to demonstrate it.  And unfortunatly the wireless manager won't work
[03:43] <cpk1> crazy_bus: use iwconfig
[03:43] <cpk1> thats the command line tool
[03:44] <Theory> crazy_bus: if you know the network details wireless manager should work in non-dhcp mode
[03:46] <N9NU-|-Linux> k
[03:46] <crazy_bus> I have never setup wireless with iwconfig before.  All I know is the wireless assistant installed by default isn't working for me
[03:46] <cpk1> crazy_bus: you can start by doing "iwlist scan" that will show you all the networks then you can use iwconfig to put in the necessary options
[03:47] <N9NU-|-Linux> anyohe have any howto or can point me to the right one
[03:47] <Minataku> iwconfig is easy
[03:47] <cpk1> N9NU-|-Linux: there is an ncurses installer too
[03:47] <cpk1> N9NU-|-Linux: its called the alternative installer
[03:48] <crazy_bus> how do you use iwconfig?  The network I'm trying to connect to has wpa-psk
[03:48] <N9NU-|-Linux> ohhh.. so that will ge me the GUI boot/install
[03:49] <Minataku> No
[03:49] <cpk1> N9NU-|-Linux: no, the alternative is the non gui
[03:49] <Minataku> ncurses is TUI
[03:49] <intelikey> huston  we have a problem.
[03:49] <Minataku> Text User Interface
[03:50] <Minataku> It's a compromise between GUI and CLI
[03:50] <N9NU-|-Linux> so kubuntu doesnt have one like Mandriva then
[03:50] <goodthing> just curious, how would a distro builder know what the license of an application should be?
[03:50] <N9NU-|-Linux> thats ok...i definately live via CLI
[03:51] <intelikey> i've got a file i own  in my home dir that i'm editing and i can't save the changes.   so i switch consoles and chmod the thing 644   that should work right ?
[03:51] <goodthing> is there any official wat in that?
[03:51] <Minataku> goodthing: Ask the application developer or check the primary site
[03:51] <Minataku> Or even just check the distribution tarball
[03:51] <intelikey> wrong!  so i chmod it as root    that should work right?
[03:51] <Minataku> The license should be included or listed
[03:51] <underdog5004> alex_, I'm away.
[03:51] <Minataku> intelikey: Yeah, it should
[03:51] <alex_> underdog5004: ok
[03:51] <alex_> :D
[03:52] <cpk1> crazy_bus: hrmm I dont really have much experience with wpa or anything but you could try iwconfig wlan0 (or whatever interface) key passkeyhere although I think it might only take hexadigital
[03:52] <intelikey> wrong again.   even root can't chmod the thing.   it can't be +i i just copied it there from a cd....
[03:52] <N9NU-|-Linux> guess i got spoiled with a fully graphic install
[03:52] <N9NU-|-Linux> no prob
[03:52] <Minataku> sudo chmod 744 file
[03:52] <N9NU-|-Linux> tnx
[03:52] <Minataku> N9NU-|-Linux: TUI isn't bad
[03:52] <intelikey> -r--r--r-- 1 greg root 19491 Jan 17 01:04 Wed_Jan_17_2007.list
[03:52] <Minataku> Try it
[03:52] <cpk1> crazy_bus: iwconfig eth0 key s:password like that actually for passkeys
[03:52] <intelikey> that's the perms on it.
[03:52] <N9NU-|-Linux> ok will do
[03:52] <Minataku> intelikey: So it's 444
[03:52] <intelikey> no matter what i do.
[03:52] <intelikey> yep
[03:53] <Minataku> Change it to 744, if that fails, something is wrong
[03:53] <intelikey> tty3 [greg@~]  chmod 666 Wed_Jan_17_2007.list
[03:53] <intelikey> tty3 [greg@~]  ls -l Wed_Jan_17_2007.list
[03:53] <intelikey> -rw-rw-rw- 1 greg root 19491 Jan 17 01:04 Wed_Jan_17_2007.list
[03:53] <Minataku> 666 not good
[03:53] <cpk1> N9NU-|-Linux: keep in mind that fiesty is in alpha still so maybe you should think about letting them know there are problems with the graphical isntaller
[03:53] <intelikey> i try to save and
[03:53] <intelikey> -r--r--r-- 1 greg root 19491 Jan 17 01:04 Wed_Jan_17_2007.list
[03:53] <goodthing> Minataku: yeah that was what i thought, but that does not make the move of novell proper when they list/make a GPL-ed program  LGPL. That IMO is, well, wrong.
[03:53] <Minataku> intelikey: I guess it won't work then
[03:53] <Minataku> Kill the file
[03:54] <N9NU-|-Linux> ok... i live for cutting edge and i have several machines setup to compare distros
[03:54] <crazy_bus> I typed sudo iwconfig ath0 key s:mypassword
[03:54] <N9NU-|-Linux> its fun
[03:54] <intelikey> heh.  yeah.  that's the first time i have ever seen an editor chmod a file......
[03:54] <Minataku> goodthing: If it's their code they're entitled to relicense as they please... of course it's our right to fork from the last old license point
[03:54] <Minataku> intelikey: It's probably locked
[03:54] <crazy_bus> I typed that and it didn't come up with any errors.  But the internet still wont work
[03:55] <goodthing> Minataku: myeah but it's horrible, does not follow up with the normal ethics...
[03:55] <Minataku> Of course it doesn't
[03:55] <Minataku> lol
[03:56] <intelikey> i just saved as filename+1 chmoded the origenal and tried to save as filename   still cant.
[03:57] <intelikey> tty3 [greg@~]  lsattr Wed_Jan_17_2007.list
[03:57] <intelikey> ----------------- Wed_Jan_17_2007.list
[03:57] <goodthing> well, makes me aware it's good i use kubuntu :)
[03:57] <intelikey> it's immutable but no +i bet set.
[03:57] <intelikey> Minataku locked by ?
[03:58] <Minataku> The editor
[03:58] <intelikey> i closed the editor
[03:59] <intelikey> i just coppied the filename+1 over the filename and opened it agan and can save it.....
[03:59] <Telroth> can someone help me with kernel booting problems? My system refused to boot after a hardware upgrade and even the lilvecd isn't loading. The kernel simiply hangs while booting up
[03:59] <intelikey> makes no sense to me at all.
[03:59] <Minataku> intelikey: Bizarre
[03:59] <intelikey> monkey get confused and ask stupid questions.....
[03:59] <Minataku> lol
[03:59] <intelikey> look for man in big yellow hat....
[04:00] <Minataku> Poop in hat
[04:00] <Minataku> As monkeys are inclined to do
[04:00] <Minataku> XD
[04:00] <intelikey> referanced "curious george"
[04:00] <Minataku> I know
[04:00] <Minataku> X3
[04:01] <Minataku> Telroth: Remove the new hardware if possible
[04:02] <Minataku> Replace with old or leave out if possible
[04:02] <Telroth> eh
[04:02] <Minataku> Then test booting
[04:02] <Telroth> new hardware = new processor, motherboard, graphics card, and ram
[04:02] <Minataku> Telroth: Is it passing POST?
[04:02] <Telroth> windows boots fine
[04:02] <Telroth> so does knoppix 4.0
[04:02] <Minataku> Hm
[04:02] <Minataku> Where does the kernel hang at?
[04:02] <Telroth> it's complaining about my cd drive being "confused"
[04:03] <Telroth> almost instantly
[04:03] <Minataku> Can you 10-finger dump the error?
[04:03] <Telroth> i'll try
[04:03] <crazy_bus> Does  sudo iwconfig ath0 key s:mypassword automaticaly connect you?  Because I typed it but the internet still doesn't work in konqueror
[04:03] <Minataku> Coo
[04:03] <intelikey> that was more different than it was anything else...   but i got it changed finally.   i guess the editor was chmoding it back each time i'd try to save it....
[04:03] <Telroth> linky to pastebin?
[04:03] <Minataku> crazy_bus: Negative, it only puts in the key
[04:03] <intelikey> pastebin.ca
[04:03] <Minataku> intelikey: Perhaps
[04:03] <Minataku> Telroth: Yeah
[04:03] <crazy_bus> what should I do next?
[04:04] <Minataku> crazy_bus: Is it all set up properly?
[04:04] <crazy_bus> I don't know.  I typed in that command and no errors came up
[04:04] <Minataku> If everything is set correctly, use ifconfig to bring the interface down then back up
[04:05] <crazy_bus> what do I do after running ifconfig?
[04:05] <Minataku> It should be working
[04:06] <crazy_bus> It comes up with lots of details but the internet isn't working?
[04:07] <Minataku> crazy_bus: ifconfig down ath0
[04:07] <Minataku> Then
[04:07] <Minataku> ifconfig up ath0
[04:07] <Minataku> Try that
[04:07] <crazy_bus> It tells me ath0: Host name lookup failure
[04:07] <Minataku> Damn... wait... maybe that means that wireless is connected
[04:07] <Minataku> lol
[04:08] <Minataku> dmesg | tail
[04:08] <Minataku> Tell me if it says "Connected [0001] "
[04:08] <Minataku> Or summat
[04:08] <crazy_bus> how do you do that line between dmesg and tail?
[04:08] <crazy_bus> never mind
[04:08] <Minataku> Heehee
[04:09] <crazy_bus> it tells me:  ath0: no IPv6 routers present
[04:09] <Minataku> O.o
[04:10] <intelikey> crazy_bus that "line" is called "pipe"
[04:10] <Minataku> I believe I am stumped, sorry, crazy_bus
[04:10] <crazy_bus> I'll just install knetwork manager then :)
[04:10] <Minataku> intelikey: Just pull your damn pants up before you bend over again
[04:10] <intelikey> that wasn't me...
[04:10] <Minataku> lol
[04:11] <Minataku> Plumber jokes XD
[04:11] <Minataku> Old but still kinda funny
[04:11] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[04:11] <Minataku> rofl
[04:11] <the_hammer> hi all
[04:11] <Minataku> STOP
[04:11] <Minataku> Hammertime
[04:11] <the_hammer> pls tell me theres alot of wireless users here
[04:11] <the_hammer> lol hammer time
[04:11] <Minataku> Sorry, couldn't resist XD
[04:11] <the_hammer> its all good :)
[04:12] <Telroth> Minataku: http://pastebin.ca/339480
[04:12] <Minataku> the_hammer: So what's your wireless issue?
[04:12] <theline> HI! Can anyone help with OO Print problem?
[04:12] <the_hammer> http://pastebin.ca/339040
[04:12] <the_hammer> i reinstalled kubuntu 610 moments ago havbent ran apt-update and all that yet
[04:12] <the_hammer> lappy just sittin beside me while i take a breather before i kick it to mars
[04:13] <Telroth> Minataku, i ejected the cd so that it wouldn't scroll the screen while i was typing, however, if left in the drive, the hda/hdb errors along with the irq #50 errors simply repeat over and over about every 45 seconds
[04:13] <the_hammer> i got 2 internets on it high speed built in and of course the wonderfull headache wireless pcmia card
[04:14] <theline> Can anyone help with OO Print problem?
[04:14] <Minataku> Telroth: Hm... you have a drive configuration issue I think
[04:14] <Minataku> http://lkml.org/lkml/2005/7/29/318
[04:14] <Telroth> Minataku, how would I go about solving that? Both drives work fine in windows, but I know that doesn't help me or you much
[04:14] <Minataku> The reply to that... does that match your issue?
[04:15] <Minataku> Mixed SATA/PATA?
[04:15] <Telroth> Minataku, 1 sata harddrive, 1 pata harddrive, two pata dvd rom drives
[04:15] <Telroth> the dvd roms are on the promary controller
[04:15] <Telroth> pata harddrive is on secondary
[04:15] <Telroth> brb, looking at link
[04:16] <Telroth> *primary
[04:16] <Minataku> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-226277.html <<<<<< !!!
[04:16] <Minataku> See if that has anything
[04:16] <Minataku> I read the first line of the first post (and that's all I read)
[04:16] <Minataku> XD
[04:16] <Minataku> But it was a likely match
[04:16] <Telroth> hmm
[04:16] <Telroth> let me disable sata enhanced mode :)
[04:17] <Minataku> Yeah, that might be faster than upgrading the BIOS
[04:17] <the_hammer> no one can help me with my wireless eh?
[04:17] <Minataku> Which appears to be the solution of that second link XD
[04:17] <Minataku> the_hammer: Sorry, I was taking care of Telroth first
[04:17] <Dr_willis> the_hammer,  after the disasters ive had with wireless... i advise using a HAMMER!
[04:17] <the_hammer> np
[04:17] <the_hammer> lol
[04:17] <intelikey> !wifi | the_hammer
[04:17] <ubotu> the_hammer: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:18] <the_hammer> i been through there and was lost
[04:18] <Dr_willis> had a windows box today.. wirelesswas working all day on it.. then Suddendly! it decided it dident want to connect/get the ip/dns any more...
[04:18] <the_hammer> joy
[04:18] <Dr_willis> got mad - so i crawled under the house and ran wires.
[04:18] <Minataku> Oh dear, that pastebin is a mess
[04:18] <Minataku> Sorry, the_hammer, I can't use that input :(
[04:19] <theline> anyone know about openoffice print problems
[04:19] <the_hammer> well im willing to try something else i reinstalled kubuntu as i said havent even ran any updates so its 100% fresh
[04:19] <Minataku> theline: I'm banking that it's not OOo with the problem
[04:19] <Minataku> the_hammer: Perhaps that's why
[04:19] <theline> all other aps print fine
[04:20] <Minataku> Wire it up and run the updates, perhaps your old installation used ndiswrapper
[04:20] <theline> OO recognizes printer and prints test page from spadmin
[04:20] <Minataku> theline: Hm... weird
[04:20] <dbglt_> is there a way to record output from amarok/from the soundcard?
[04:20] <the_hammer> i plan to run the updates but thought id see if i can find solutions or help before i started cuz if not i think ill try again tomorrow or something
[04:21] <Minataku> dbglt_: Good question
[04:21] <intelikey> dbglt_ yes.    and now get all your warez from 127.0.0.1
[04:21] <darthdual> Anybody, What would you rather use; sun Java Plugin or GCJ Plugin?
[04:21] <Minataku> intelikey: Hey now
[04:21] <theline> Print button says no link to printer... but preview recognizes my printer
[04:22] <dbglt_> intelikey: most amusing. My friend is performing on a stream, and I'd like to record it. Thank you for your rudeness.
[04:22] <intelikey> you're welcome.
[04:22] <darthdual> What' up Minataku, Not railing on Mac today huh?
[04:22] <Minataku> dbglt_: There might well be a way, but I don't know
[04:22] <intelikey> open audacity and start recording....
[04:22] <Minataku> darthdual: I did that earlier elsewhere
[04:23] <Minataku> lol
[04:23] <dbglt_> Minataku: I know there should be a way to pipe output from the soundcard
[04:23] <dbglt_> audacity uses oss, no?
[04:23] <dbglt_> using alsa here
[04:23] <darthdual> I thought you probably did.......hehe
[04:23] <Minataku> Never use just one
[04:23] <dbglt_> or else I can change applications
[04:23] <dbglt_> I think vlc or xine-ui might support recording
[04:23] <Minataku> I compile my kernels with ALSA + OSS Emulation Layer
[04:23] <antibody> hi all...my NetworkManager doesn't come in the tray anymore ...
[04:23] <antibody> why?
[04:23] <intelikey> install sox and type in   man rec
[04:24] <dbglt_> Minataku: I'm using the supplied kubuntu kernel
[04:24] <OlgaB> bbl
[04:24] <Minataku> dbglt_: The fact that it uses ALSA only is a confounding mistake
[04:24] <dbglt_> ah
[04:24] <dbglt_> I'm not sure it uses alsa only. I just assumed
[04:24] <Minataku> dbglt_: Look for /dev/dsp
[04:25] <darthdual> Anyone have any opinions on which java plugin is the best to use for minimal errors.
[04:25] <Minataku> If it exists, it's ALSA + ALSA_OSS
[04:25] <Minataku> darthdual: Sun
[04:25] <antibody> :(
[04:25] <Minataku> Get it from the source
[04:25] <darthdual> What about GCJ, is that one any good?
[04:25] <antibody> no help for me?
[04:25] <dbglt_> Minataku: the device is there, cheers :)
[04:25] <Telroth> darthdual, the one from sun is best
[04:25] <antibody> _NetworkManagerDispatcher is the user daemon right?
[04:25] <Minataku> dbglt_: Good, Kubuntu isn't lame then
[04:25] <Minataku> lol
[04:25] <Telroth> darthdual, apt-get install sun-java5-jdk
[04:26] <darthdual> cool, I fugured it was.
[04:26] <Telroth> darthdual, make sure you hav emultiverse enabled
[04:26] <Telroth> *multiverse
[04:26] <Minataku> antibody: I cannot assist you, sorry
[04:26] <Eruantalon> How do I update from edgy to feisty with the alternate cd?
[04:26] <Minataku> Eruantalon: Carefully ;3
[04:26] <intelikey> antibody beets the monkey off my back too.....
[04:26] <dbglt_> Minataku: I was under the impression that OSS was deprecated?
[04:27] <Minataku> dbglt_: It is, but ALSA provides emulation
[04:27] <antibody> :(
[04:27] <antibody> damn
[04:27] <dbglt_> Minataku: legacy support?
[04:27] <Minataku> dbglt_: Backwards compatibility
[04:27] <Minataku> :3
[04:27] <intelikey> only answered so you would know your weren't being ignored.
[04:27] <dbglt_> ;)
[04:27] <Minataku> Same deal as intelikey here
[04:27] <Telroth> Minataku, thanks, that took care of hda/hdb problems, although kernel still hangs, complaining about IRQ #66 now instead of IRQ #50,  usb error still stands, and i have a pair of usb over-current errors now
[04:28] <Eruantalon> !feisty
[04:28] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[04:28] <Minataku> Telroth: Too many devices on USB bus
[04:28] <dbglt_> antibody: tried killing it and relaunching?
[04:28] <dbglt_> antibody: knetworkmanager?
[04:28] <Minataku> If there are none, check for a short
[04:28] <antibody> dbglt_, yep
[04:28] <antibody> no
[04:28] <antibody> NetworkManager
[04:28] <antibody> and dispatcher
[04:28] <Telroth> Minataku, everything is plugged directly into my mobo except for my mouse, which plugs into my keyboard - also, windows didn't throw any usb errors :/
[04:29] <Minataku> Windows keeps everything to itself
[04:29] <N9NU-|-Linux> another thing i see, is this partioning program ...hmm.. whats the best way to go. I have these options: 1. Guided and manual, HOWEVER, it seems that i end up going in cirlces with either. I have 3 SATA drives (not raid) and i think it sees one of them with a corrupt partition....i never see the options to: delete, renam, etc
[04:29] <Minataku> Windows wouldn't tell you even if the damn thing was on fire
[04:29] <Minataku> You'd have to wait for the smoke before you knew
[04:29] <N9NU-|-Linux> i will run partition magin now
[04:29] <Telroth> actually, it does complain about over-current
[04:29] <Telroth> anyways
[04:29] <Minataku> lol
[04:29] <antibody> dbglt_, I used to use gnome(ubuntu) but karamba make my final appeal :D
[04:29] <Telroth> cd just stareted doing stuff
[04:29] <Minataku> Telroth: Check for a short
[04:29] <Ertain> Hello everyone.  I'm trying to record some video with my webcam and some audio with my microphone.  I'm using mencoder for this.  I've looked on the Kubuntu website and have tried a command shown there.  I can't seem to record my microphone, though.  Any ideas?
[04:29] <Eruantalon> Minataku: Where is the documentation for updating to feisty?
[04:29] <antibody> made*
[04:29] <Minataku> Short circuit, that is
[04:29] <antibody> damn..it was working
[04:30] <intelikey> and if you let the smode out it wont work no more.
[04:30] <Minataku> Look for shards of metal or whatnot that may have gotten onto the board or into the sockets
[04:30] <intelikey> smoke
[04:30] <Minataku> After that, go kick the ass of the guy who sold it to you/put it together
[04:30] <Telroth> Minataku, cd spun up after about 10 minutes, screen went black
[04:30] <Telroth> Minataku, i put it together myself
[04:30] <Telroth> and haven't had any trouble with it except for kubuntu ;)
[04:31] <Minataku> Telroth: Start doing some yoga
[04:31] <Minataku> XD
[04:31] <Telroth> windows, knoppix, everything else works like a charm :P
[04:31] <Minataku> That is kinda bizarre
[04:31] <Minataku> I'd look into the USB overcurrent ASAP though
[04:31] <Minataku> Seriously, check for any obvious short circuits
[04:31] <intelikey> Telroth so use knoppix,
[04:32] <Telroth> intelikey, ubuntu has better repos
[04:32] <Telroth> and the system is configured better :)
[04:32] <intelikey> not if it don't work
[04:32] <Minataku> Uh oh
[04:32] <Hobbsee> Eruantalon: you dont want to upgrade.
[04:32] <Minataku> Audacious exploded
[04:32] <Eruantalon> Hobbsee: Yes I do. Talked to a guy in #ubuntu-kernel :-)
[04:33] <Minataku> Hm
[04:33] <Telroth> ten freaking minutes to boot a system
[04:33] <Minataku> !catchsegv
[04:33] <intelikey> just install the feisty kernel
[04:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about catchsegv - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:33] <Minataku> :O
[04:33] <Minataku> That's a damn Debian tool
[04:33] <Telroth> at least it finally came up
[04:34] <Hobbsee> !upgrade
[04:34] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Eruantalon: ^
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Eruantalon: which guy?
[04:34] <Hobbsee> Eruantalon: you know it's still rather buggy?
[04:34] <Eruantalon> ben_c
[04:34] <Hobbsee> ah, okay
[04:34] <Minataku> Oh, I was wrong
[04:35] <Minataku> Musta been thinking of something else
[04:35] <Minataku> !find segv
[04:35] <Eruantalon> He said that upgrading to the feisty kernel was almost getting all of the major things of feisty anyway
[04:35] <ubotu> Found: libsigsegv-dev
[04:35] <Minataku> !libsigsegv-dev
[04:35] <ubotu> libsigsegv-dev: Library for handling page faults in a portable way. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.4-1 (edgy), package size 19 kB, installed size 84 kB
[04:35] <Minataku> SIGSEGV is not a Page Fault
[04:35] <Minataku> It's a Segmentation Fault >:(
[04:35] <intelikey> go kick so but off....
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Eruantalon: true.  along with other bugs though.  the rule of "dont upgrade your production system to a development release" applies - dual boot is better, if you can
[04:36] <intelikey> they will have nothing to sit on when Minataku gets through with them...
[04:36] <Minataku> lol
[04:36] <Eruantalon> Hobbsee: I need ivtv and feisty is the way to get it
[04:37] <Eruantalon> Hobbsee: Besides I am not producing anything
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Eruantalon: fair enough
[04:37] <Minataku> Hobbsee: How about we dispense with the warnings and help instead
[04:37] <Minataku> lol
[04:37] <Eruantalon> :-D
[04:37] <Hobbsee> Minataku: because i've seen some people attempt to run feisty.  teh forums are full of them.
[04:37] <Eruantalon> I apreciate that you cant know how much time i spent deciding this :-)
[04:37] <Hobbsee> besides, i found the page :)
[04:37] <Minataku> lol
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Eruantalon: change all the "edgy" in /etc/apt/sources.list to "feisty" update, and dist-upgrade.  keep doing it until it's all upgraded
[04:38] <Minataku> I've had little issues when upgrading kernels... of course on Gentoo it's very straightforward and easy
[04:38] <Hobbsee> Minataku: kernels + gcc + libc6 + all the other toolchain stuff?
[04:38] <Eruantalon> As I said i downloaded the alternate cd because I was told that you could upgrade with that
[04:39] <intelikey> Eruantalon run  " sed 's/edgy/feisty/g' /etc/apt/sources.list | sudo tee /etc/apt/sources.list ;sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  "
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Eruantalon: ah yes.  sudo apt-cdrom add, then update
[04:39] <Minataku> Hobbsee: Since when? Just drop in a new kernel
[04:39] <intelikey> if you are serious about upgrading ^
[04:39] <Hobbsee> what intelikey said.  but add the cdrom into the sources list first
[04:39] <Minataku> Like I said, it's far more straightforward and easy on Gentoo
[04:39] <antibody> dbglt_, :/
[04:39] <antibody> knetworkmanager should be in trayicon?
[04:39] <intelikey> yes add the cd first.
[04:39] <Hobbsee> Minataku: yes, but each ubuntu release is not just a kernel update, right?
[04:40] <dbglt_> antibody: aye
[04:40] <intelikey> Hobbsee right.
[04:40] <dwarner> Hello -- I just installed eclipse-gcj in Edgy, and I can't find how to run it. Anybody know what gives?
[04:40] <Minataku> Hobbsee: True, but then it's still a big PIA to update a kernel in Kubuntu nonetheless
[04:40] <Telroth> Minataku, well, i'll be a monkey's uncle. I mismounted the front-usb ports!
[04:40] <Minataku> And PIA doesn't stand for Peripheral Interface Adapter
[04:40] <antibody_> knetworkmanager should be in trayicon?
[04:40] <Minataku> If you know what I mean
[04:41] <antibody_> NetworkManager is running
[04:41] <Minataku> Telroth: That'll do it
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Minataku: of course.  which is why there are dist-upgrades.
[04:41] <antibody_> but I have no way to interact with it?
[04:41] <Telroth> Minataku, got i hope i didn't damage my $200 mobo :(
[04:41] <Minataku> Hobbsee: Why can't it be nice and easy? I configure, compile and drop
[04:41] <intelikey> python information archive Minataku ?
[04:41] <Hobbsee> antibody_: it should be.
[04:41] <intelikey> :)
[04:41] <Minataku> Telroth: Probably not
[04:41] <Hobbsee> Minataku: compiling a new kernel is not "easy"
[04:41] <Minataku> It detected the overcurrent and probably shut the ports down
[04:41] <Minataku> Hobbsee: Yeah it is
[04:42] <Hobbsee> you have an odd definition of easy
[04:42] <antibody_> Hobbsee, :(
[04:42] <Hobbsee> neither is compiling it
[04:42] <Minataku> Hobbsee: Rather, I know precisely how to do it
[04:42] <intelikey> Hobbsee it's pretty easy.  i compiled my first kernel on dapper.
[04:42] <Hobbsee> Minataku: yes, but new users dont.
[04:42] <Minataku> It IS easy, though
[04:42] <Minataku> And IMO, fun
[04:42] <dbglt_> easy just depends on your target audience
[04:42] <surgy> is feisty going to have any good changes? i mean good by not just a bunch of security bs?
[04:42] <Minataku> I love seeing what the new goodies are while I configure it :D
[04:42] <dbglt_> surgy: a few little ones, perhaps
[04:43] <Eruantalon> So... add the cd and then run the intelikey command. That will make sure that the cdrom is used before the net connection?
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Eruantalon: yeah.
[04:43] <trappist> surgy: my favorite one so far is the lowlatency kernel in universe
[04:43] <Minataku> It's as easy as "make menuconfig && make all && make modules_install && make install" then updating grub.conf
[04:43] <Hobbsee> Minataku: why are you running kubuntu, if you like updating kernels, etc?
[04:43] <Minataku> I'm not
[04:43] <Minataku> I'm a Gentoo user
[04:43] <Minataku> lol
[04:43] <Minataku> I'm just here to lend a hand
[04:44] <Minataku> I was lured in by promises of free swag ;3
[04:44] <intelikey> surgy probably nothing "major"   major changes come at end of cycle.  that was dapper/edgy change over.  next is almost a year away.
[04:44] <Telroth> Minataku, kernel still hangs, but no usb over-current errors :D
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Minataku: didnt think so.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> Minataku: free swag?
[04:44] <Minataku> Telroth: Heehee, one more problem down is still one more problem down :D
[04:45] <Minataku> Hobbsee: genii's workplace was gonna trash some Sun kit
[04:45] <server_> hey guys
[04:45] <Minataku> So I swooped in to grab it up instead
[04:45] <Minataku> Then I decided to stay and help out
[04:46] <Minataku> I just don't like how simplification ends up making advanced tasks near impossible
[04:46] <Minataku> Protect the user, punish the administrator
[04:46] <surgy> intelikey: kewl thnx
[04:46] <Minataku> That's Windows philosophy
[04:46] <one> is there something with a gui for kubuntu like daemon tools in window sfor mounting *.bin images ???
[04:46] <Minataku> !iso | one
[04:46] <ubotu> one: To mount an ISO disc image, type "sudo mount -o loop my.iso <mountpoint>" There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before burning. Burning .iso files: see !burn
[04:47] <intelikey> Minataku yeah that ^
[04:47] <Telroth> Minataku, i agree, but that's one thing i've come to like about ubuntu, it allows advanced stuff but will wrap it up and a pretty gui when you need it
[04:47] <Minataku> Telroth: Actually the issue is that it DOESN'T allow advanced stuff
[04:47] <one> thx i try it also with a script but dont works ;_(
[04:47] <Telroth> Minataku, example?
[04:47] <Minataku> Managing software manually confuses the hell out of apt
[04:47] <one> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0,
[04:47] <one>        missing codepage or other error
[04:47] <one>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[04:47] <one>        dmesg | tail  or so
[04:48] <trappist> Minataku: what does ubuntu take away in the name of simplification?
[04:48] <Minataku> Managing software manually confuses the hell out of apt and is highly discouraged <<<<<
[04:48] <intelikey> Minataku it does.  you just have to roll you sleves up and crawl into the box....
[04:48] <Telroth> Minataku, that's why you use Kompile - it builds the software with your specifications, then packs it up nicely in a .deb :)
[04:48] <Minataku> Telroth: There's the rub
[04:48] <Minataku> That's more complicated than "make && sudo make install"
[04:48] <one> is there nothing with a gui ?? ;_(
[04:49] <Minataku> one: Type "file -zrk filename.iso"
[04:49] <Minataku> Tell me what it says
[04:49] <Telroth> right-click on a .tar.gz -> build as .deb & install seems just as easy :)
[04:49] <trappist> Minataku: it doesn't take anything away from you.  you can install software that way, but as with *any* package management system, it's better to make a package or find another way to stay within the package management system.
[04:49] <one> its not a iso its a bin file
[04:49] <Minataku> one: THERE WE GO
[04:49] <one> it says data
[04:49] <Minataku> It's not a pure ISO
[04:49] <trappist> one: convert it to iso with bchunk
[04:49] <Minataku> It needs to be converted
[04:49] <Telroth> Minataku, he said that earlier :P
[04:50] <Minataku> He did?
[04:50] <Minataku> I was probably too busy talking to YOU, Telroth
[04:50] <one> i told yoou in my first question its a bin image
[04:50] <one> *G*
[04:50] <Minataku> Therefore I blame you
[04:50] <Minataku> XD
[04:50] <Telroth> [21:46:40]  <one> is there something with a gui for kubuntu like daemon tools in window sfor mounting *.bin images ???
[04:50] <Minataku> Sorry, one
[04:50] <Telroth> lol
[04:50] <Minataku> My bad XD
[04:50] <intelikey> Minataku or there is the other alternative.  you can remove dpkg from the system and go source only...
[04:50] <Minataku> But yeah, you have to convert it first
[04:50] <one> what about a answer is there anything = *G*
[04:50] <one> argh it all so complicated ;-(
[04:50] <Minataku> one: It's far easier to mount it manually
[04:51] <trappist> one: yes, convert it with bchunk
[04:51] <Minataku> Plus it gets you experience with the CLI
[04:51] <Minataku> Which is very nice
[04:51] <Minataku> Trust me
[04:51] <Minataku> :3
[04:51] <one> but there are 3 cd images , its reason a ausio programm vfor windows and i hope it will works via wine ;-(
[04:51] <Telroth> CLI is AWeSoMe!
[04:51] <Minataku> I do ALL my file management via the CLI
[04:51] <Minataku> Literally all of it
[04:52] <Minataku> I have NO GUI file manager
[04:52] <trappist> one: I got an old version of reason working in an old version of wine, so I'd say your chances are pretty good
[04:52] <Minataku> It depends on the stale version of WINE your edition of Ubuntu is running
[04:52] <cpk1> one: you need bchunk
[04:52] <one> trappist i need / i wanna the 3.0 reason tu run, sucks to change os every time ;-)
[04:52] <Telroth> yay, 10-minute boot sequences
[04:52] <one> then convert all 3 images with bchunk then mount via console
[04:53] <trappist> one: yep
[04:53] <one> and then isntall with wine and it will works probalby ? *G
[04:53] <trappist> that's the idea
[04:53] <cpk1> yeah and hope wine is able to handle the multi cd install
[04:53] <trappist> cedega can do that no problem :)
[04:53] <Minataku> one: If you've been good so far this year and your chi is in the house of ying-yang
[04:53] <Telroth> cedega != wine ;)
[04:53] <Minataku> XD
[04:53] <Minataku> j/k
[04:53] <cpk1> yes but maybe he doesnt want to pay or break the law
[04:53] <one> and hop reason if it works could access my audio samples on another harddisk *G*
[04:54] <Minataku> It may or may not work
[04:54] <Minataku> If it doesn't
[04:54] <trappist> Telroth: cedega is wine... just sorta, wine on steroids
[04:54] <Minataku> !audacity
[04:54] <ubotu> audacity: A fast, cross-platform audio editor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.2.4b-2.1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1850 kB, installed size 5444 kB
 one: If you've been good so far this year and your chi is in the house of ying-yang
[04:54] <Telroth> trappist, expensive steroids
[04:54] <one> wtf ?
[04:54] <Minataku> one: Sorry, lame joke
[04:54] <trappist> Telroth: $15 isn't expensive :)
[04:54] <one> lol i know audacity buts thats just a audio editor
[04:54] <Minataku> It's a full featured audio thingy
[04:54] <jmichaelx> isn't cedega a subscription service?
[04:55] <one> its a audioeditor!
[04:55] <Telroth> trappist, to someone who gets christmas and birthday as his sole sources of income, and has already blow it all on $1000 of new hardware, $15 is a lot :)
[04:55] <Minataku> I made all my later phone recordings with it
[04:55] <intelikey> full featured?
[04:55] <Minataku> The early ones were done with SNDREC32.EXE
[04:55] <Minataku> <.<
[04:55] <cpk1> $15 a month
[04:55] <one> look at reason its a virtual rack with sampler , synthies, drummachines effekts aso
[04:55] <jmichaelx> too much for me....
[04:55] <trappist> cpk1: $5 a month, 3 month minimum
[04:55] <cpk1> o
[04:55] <Telroth> if i had $15 to spare, i'd be playing horizons
[04:56] <jmichaelx> i'm glad i'm not a gamer lol
[04:56] <trappist> and anyway, you can get the cedega source for free and build it yourself.  you'll just be lacking things like safedisc support
[04:56] <Minataku> lol
[04:56] <Minataku> jmichaelx: You're not anything right now thanks to beryl
[04:56] <Telroth> trappist, and directx drivers?
[04:56] <Minataku> XD
[04:56] <trappist> Telroth: all there
[04:56] <Telroth> those are kinda ya know... important?
[04:56] <Telroth> trappist, if they are, why is wine having to write their own?
[04:56] <jmichaelx> Minataku: naaaa, back up and running :-D
[04:56] <Minataku> Sorry, I hope you don't take offense to that
[04:57] <trappist> Telroth: they can't release the safedisc source, as they have it under license
[04:57] <Minataku> Ah! Excellent! :D
[04:57] <jmichaelx> ty ty
[04:57] <jmichaelx> Minataku: no offence lol
[04:57] <Minataku> I'm a retrogamer
[04:57] <Telroth> trappist, that's understandable, i'm referring to the directx thought
[04:57] <trappist> Telroth: cedega donates code back to the wine project.  a lot of the winehq directx stuff is word done by transgaming.
[04:57] <intelikey> trappist that doesn't explain the xd Q
[04:57] <Minataku> All my PC games are emulated
[04:57] <intelikey> dx
[04:57] <Minataku> dx/dy
[04:57] <Minataku> Fear the calculus
[04:58] <jmichaelx> Minataku: i found out that there had been a change in nvidia drivers, and i now needed nvidia-glx-legacy for this card...... the change threw me
[04:58] <Telroth> trappist, last i heard, wine people were pissed because cedega stopped contributing back
[04:58] <Minataku> jmichaelx: Ah
[04:58] <trappist> intelikey: yeah I'm behind in my typing :)
[04:58] <Telroth> trappist, but i havne't been up to date on everything
[04:58] <Minataku> jmichaelx: Yeah, that's the "dead driver"
[04:58] <Minataku> No more updates
[04:58] <Minataku> When the card is EOL for Linux it's tossed in there
[04:58] <trappist> Telroth: I haven't kept up either, that could be true.  but last I heard everybody was pals
[04:58] <Minataku> Better than ATI, though
[04:59] <jmichaelx> lol
[04:59] <Minataku> Who deletes the driver entirely
[04:59] <Minataku> Leaving you stranded unless you buy another card
[04:59] <Minataku> Which is when you burn the ATI card and get an nVidia
[04:59] <jmichaelx> good business
[04:59] <jmichaelx> lol exactly
[04:59] <Minataku> jmichaelx: Supposedly it is, at least it is when you hate F/OSS like ATI
[05:00] <Minataku> I hope AMD turns them around
[05:00] <intelikey> or burn the ati and get something natively supported.
[05:00] <Minataku> AMD has historically been F/OSS friendly
[05:00] <jmichaelx> a lot of people are hoping that
[05:00] <Minataku> Like an Intel card
[05:00] <Minataku> brb, I have to take my pills
[05:01] <jmichaelx> agp is usually out of my league....
[05:01] <one> haha converting and mounting works *G*
[05:01] <jmichaelx> *is buried under old hardware
[05:02] <jmichaelx> lol
[05:03] <jmichaelx> Telroth: i like (most) of my old hardware :-D
[05:03] <Telroth> intelikey, server is in the locked cabinet
[05:04] <Telroth> *points*
[05:04] <Skyblast> Are there any actaul intel video cards or are they all just onboard stuff?
[05:04] <intelikey> :)
[05:04] <jmichaelx> i spent $5 for this machine, $19 for a usb 2.0 card and $50 for the nVidia video
[05:05] <draik> I LOVE KUBUNTU... that is all
[05:05] <jmichaelx> howdy draik :-D
[05:05] <draik> Hello jmichaelx, how is everything?
[05:05] <Skyblast> Kubuntu for all!
[05:05] <jmichaelx> i have made good use of almost all of that PC 100 RAM you sent me
[05:05] <Dr_willis>  Hmm.. ok.. if ANYONE meets the programmers behind Yahoo Messenger... will you please SLAP THEM hard!
[05:05] <jmichaelx> good
[05:05] <draik> I'm glad
[05:06] <Dr_willis> I am having to do way too much 'tech support' for the wife and that idiotic program.
[05:06] <draik> that it went to use, I just had them sitting around
[05:06] <Skyblast> hehe
[05:06] <jmichaelx> it helped me out a bunch
[05:06] <Telroth> Dr_willis, does slap imply the use of a hand?
[05:06] <Skyblast> Yahoo! Messenger.. as seen on To Catch a Predator!
[05:06] <Dr_willis> and she isent even 'using' the program. shes just playing with themes...
[05:06] <draik> Dr_willis: We deal with them at work every so often... will do
[05:06] <Telroth> or can something else be used? *cough*buckshot*cough*
[05:06] <intelikey> impossable.... access to tty's 5-8 is gone....    i've been griping for six months cause they were active at boot time and now they aren't....
[05:06] <Dr_willis> and the &*#&@ program has changed theme versions 100 times it seems.. so none of the ones shes downloading work.. and she cant understand why.
[05:06] <jmichaelx> Dr_willis: beryl?
[05:07] <Dr_willis> jmichaelx,  my wife just HAS to use XP and Yahoo Messenger to hang in chat rooms and 'listen' to these idiots singing country music... badly...
[05:07] <jmichaelx> YIKES
[05:07] <Dr_willis> so every 10 min or so she yells at me to show her how to use the program that i have never ever wanted to use.
[05:07] <Skyblast> I thought Yahoo chat rooms were all closed since all the pedophiles were in them 24/7
[05:07] <intelikey> rant on.
[05:08] <Dr_willis> Skyblast,  the custome-user created ones are.
[05:08] <draik> Dr_willis: Ouch... My girl loves her country music, but she knows I can't really stand it so she usually keeps it to herself
[05:08] <Skyblast> ahh I see
[05:08] <Dr_willis> I want to know when 'instant messenger progrms' became mass-voice chat
[05:08] <draik> !beryl
[05:08] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:08] <Minataku> Back
[05:09] <intelikey> Dr_willis   maybe remove the speakes ???
[05:09] <draik> !source-o-matic
[05:09] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[05:09] <jmichaelx> you can do yahoo voice chat in linux if you use gyachi.... there are probably other programs, too
[05:09] <Telroth> Dr_willis, about the time skype came out :P
[05:09] <Minataku> Dr_willis: Your wife should be forced to use Linux, same with your kids and yourself
[05:09] <Skyblast> You can use Trillian for Yahoo chat as well... I am pretty sure voice chat is supported
[05:09] <Minataku> XD
[05:10] <Minataku> As for keeping her from playing loud, horrible music... that's what the router is there for >:D
[05:10] <jmichaelx> i didn't know that there wa a linux trillian port
[05:10] <Skyblast> There is?
[05:10] <jmichaelx> ok.... i thought that is what you were saying
[05:10] <Skyblast> oh, hehe
[05:10] <intelikey> accidently type in   sudo dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda1        Dr_willis ???
[05:11] <Skyblast> I just meant that if the person was insisting on Windows
[05:11] <Minataku> Sorry, felt like being evil for a second
[05:11] <Minataku> XD
[05:11] <intelikey> hey i'm just trying to help....
[05:11] <jmichaelx> gaim is about all i use.... not into chat rooms.... well, with the exception of IRC
[05:11] <Minataku> IRC is all I use
[05:11] <Minataku> I hate instant messaging
[05:11] <Minataku> I hate cell phones, too
[05:11] <intelikey> cell phone      what's that ?
[05:12] <draik> Hmmm...
[05:12] <Skyblast> I have all the popular IM's services. Might as well, since Kopete uses them. There is no one on my ICQ and Yahoo lists, though. hehe
[05:12] <jmichaelx> intelikey: that is especialy funny coming from you
[05:12] <draik> beryl isn't a package for me to apt-get install
[05:12] <jmichaelx> lol
[05:12] <intelikey> :)
[05:12] <mena> hi
[05:12] <Minataku> I used Skype for a spell but only while they had free SkypeOut
[05:12] <mena> i need some help
[05:12] <Minataku> Which is over now so I don't use it anymore
[05:12] <Minataku> lol
[05:12] <Skyblast> I haven't used Skype in a while
[05:12] <mena> i have a problem with my kubuntu in conecting to the internet
[05:12] <Skyblast> I used to leave it on and weird Chinese people would call me all the time
[05:13] <Minataku> Skyblast: Cool
[05:13] <Minataku> Sorta
[05:13] <Minataku> lol
[05:13] <Minataku> I'm a bit of a phone phreak
[05:13] <jmichaelx> draik: are you wanting to install beryl?
[05:13] <Minataku> Nothing illegal, though
[05:13] <draik> yes sir!
[05:13] <Minataku> I like making recordings of recordings
[05:13] <Minataku> Want to see my archive?
[05:13] <Skyblast> sure
[05:13] <Minataku> http://s95018220.onlinehome.us/random/phreaking/ << :D
[05:13] <Minataku> My other random crap is there too
[05:14] <Minataku> Enjoy any of it
[05:14] <mena> i cant conect to the internet through kubuntu but i cant through Xp ..So what is the problem ...nai idea
[05:14] <Minataku> I recommend http://s95018220.onlinehome.us/random/photochop/ for funnies
[05:14] <jmichaelx> it isn't all  that hard, although i managed to mess X up for half of the day trying to get beryl to work.... i was using the wrong driver
[05:14] <mena> sorry can through XP
[05:14] <Minataku> Keep in mind, all those done in The GIMP
[05:14] <Dr_willis> mena,  wireless? cable? router? ect....
[05:14] <Minataku> Not Photoshop :D
[05:14] <jmichaelx> draik: it is actually very easy
[05:14] <draik> ok\
[05:14] <intelikey> mena  wifi ?
[05:14] <mena> Dr_willis, router
[05:15] <Dr_willis> mena,  #1 - see if you can ping the router.
[05:15] <Dr_willis> #2 - if you can ping the router - double check your dns/gateway settings.
[05:15] <Minataku> I have the only contributor page on www.thisisarecording.com
[05:15] <mena> Dr_willis, on kubuntu
[05:15] <Minataku> And if you haven't guessed it yet, I'm Payphone Ed
[05:15] <Minataku> lol
[05:15] <one> argh need help again installing reason via wine, he wants the second cd, i mountet the second image but there is no ok button only quit so he dont go on cuz he doestnt find the cd ;_(
[05:15] <Skyblast> I am still pondering installing beryl once again... I really don't wanna botch up this nice, relatively new install. Granted, I always make backups of everything I edit, but still..
[05:15] <jmichaelx> draik: you need to read through the docs and pay attention to what kind of video  card you are using.....  then it is basically a matter of adding a repo & key and apt-getting
[05:16] <Skyblast> I wish I had the room(and money) for a testing PC
[05:16] <Minataku> Skyblast: Get a cheapie
[05:16] <Minataku> Thrift stores have nice, cheap PCs suitable for testing purposes
[05:16] <draik> I'm using the nVidia 5700LS 256MB video card
[05:16] <mena> Dr_willis , i can conect through Xp
[05:16] <draik> I have added the repo
[05:16] <Minataku> lol
[05:16] <jmichaelx> Skyblast: you can get PCs for under $20 all over the place.... you should see my apartment:-D
[05:16] <mena> Dr_willis , So why should i ping through it
[05:16] <Skyblast> yeah, I should, and just get a little KVM switch and not have to worry about monitor an dall that
[05:16] <nosferax_> HI! I have a question for the long time user of kubuntu around here... Is it normal that I have to start some program twice for them to run... The first time all i get is a bouncing icon on the screen then it disappear
[05:17] <Minataku> I prefer non-PCs
[05:17] <Minataku> Like I _LOVE_ Sun machines
[05:17] <Minataku> I've got 4 as it is
[05:17] <Minataku> 1 sun4u (Sun Ultra 5, Hazuki)
[05:17] <Minataku> 3 sun4m (Sun SPARCstation 5/170, Dejiko \
[05:17] <draik> and I wanted to apt-get beryl, but it stated that there is no package with that name
[05:17] <jmichaelx> Skyblast: i have a kvm st this desk.... 4 PCs, one monitor/mouse
[05:17] <Skyblast> I have one old PC in my closet but it's a bit too old to be of any major use(P1 MMX 166MHz)
[05:17] <Minataku> Sun SPARCstation LX (4/30), Haruko \
[05:18] <Minataku> Sun SPARCstation 10, Unnamed)
[05:18] <Telroth> draik, added the repos and performed apt-get update?
[05:18] <mena> dr_willis, i have a reply xp ith the ping
[05:18] <Dr_willis> draik,  theres some wiki pages on installing beryl..
[05:18] <draik> yes sir
[05:18] <draik> ok
[05:18] <Telroth> draik, #ubuntu-glx is a good place to beryl/compiz help
[05:18] <jmichaelx> Skyblast: it could still me fun.... put DELI linux on it
[05:18] <draik> I will look for them
[05:18] <Minataku> Skyblast: If it has a large enough HDD, it's good for FreeBSD/i386 6.2-RELEASE
[05:18] <Telroth> it's where i learned how to get it working :)
[05:18] <intelikey> nosferax_ i've been using *buntu sense hoary came out but i dont mess with the pointy clicky thingy much,  at a venture i have to say "no that's not normal"  but what do i know about gui's
[05:18] <Dr_willis> draik,  not that i was able to get it working.. apraently theres some issues at this time with it.
[05:19] <Skyblast> It has a 3.2GB drive in it I believe
[05:19] <mena> dr_willis, So what is the problem with kubuntu bec it was working befor ....
[05:19] <Skyblast> but I have a 10 I could throw in it
[05:19] <Minataku> Mahoro is a Toshiba Satellite 305CDS with a 40GB HDD (lol) and runs 6.1-RELEASE very nicely
[05:19] <jmichaelx> Skyblast: that is tons of room for DELI
[05:19] <draik> Dr_willis: Ummm... about the wiki page... it's about berylium
[05:20] <Minataku> Skyblast: A nice amount for FreeBSD as well
[05:20] <jmichaelx> !beryl
[05:20] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:20] <steven__> is there a command to force close programs??
[05:20] <Minataku> Either 5.5-LEGACY, 6.1-STABLE or 6.2-RELEASE
[05:20] <Minataku> steven__: kill
[05:20] <Minataku> Try it plain at first, if it fails, kill -9
[05:20] <Skyblast> I have very little experience with any of the BSD's.
[05:20] <Skyblast> I tried to install one in vmware once. It did not go well :)
[05:21] <Minataku> Skyblast: It's not that much different from the basic administration level
[05:21] <Skyblast> hmmm
[05:21] <Telroth> giving up on kubuntu for now, running windows :P
[05:21] <Minataku> I'm an OS collector and Unix fanatic, though
[05:21] <Telroth> boots in a nice 30 seconds
[05:21] <Eruantalon> Is there a way to get apt-get to dist-upgrade BUT keep certain packages... that is have some sort of priority. Fx i want to upgrade to feisty but it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop. How can i make sure that key packages are kept?
[05:22] <nosferax_> It doesn't happens all the time, and since the program start on the second try it's not that much of a problem but i wanted to know if i was the only one with this problem
[05:22] <Minataku> I love Unix, all kinds
[05:22] <FB33> how do i fine graphics card id?
[05:22] <Minataku> Except NeXTSTEP... NeXTSTEP/OpenSTEP/Rhapsody/Darwin all suck
[05:22] <steven__> Minataku it didnt work..
[05:22] <Skyblast> Looking up DELI on wikipedia... looks interesting, but I'll happily try FreeBSD as well
[05:22] <Minataku> steven__: You need the pid of the process
[05:22] <steven__> Minataku how do i get that
[05:22] <Minataku> Type "ps -A" then look for the name and grab it's PID
[05:22] <foo>    ] 
[05:23] <foo> How do I select the clock to not be in 24 hour format?
[05:23] <orient2000> I have a problem with mounting another Linux HD. I have in fstab: /dev/sda1 /media/120MB ext3 user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000, 0 0
[05:23] <Minataku> First number is the PID, after that "kill PID" and if it doesn't die, really kill it with "kill -9 PID"
[05:23] <intelikey> foo right click on the clock and configure it ?
[05:23] <tritesnikov> hi all, how do i disable virtual screen resolution? i like to run normally at 1152x864 because my refresh rate is higher, but i like to run games at 1280x960. if i leave all of the Mode configs in xorg.conf, i get a reolution that is larger than the screen. is there a way to disable this behavior without having to remove Mode resolutions from xorg.conf?
[05:24] <Minataku> xrandr
[05:24] <Minataku> !xrandr
[05:24] <ubotu> xrandr: X Rotation, Reflection and Resize utility. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB
[05:24] <foo> intelikey: eh, I could have guessed that... but I don't see the option anywhere... which is why I asked...
[05:24] <orient2000> sudo mount -a
[05:24] <orient2000> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1,
[05:24] <orient2000>        missing codepage or other error
[05:24] <orient2000>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[05:24] <orient2000>        dmesg | tail  or so
[05:24] <steven__> it says no such process:S
[05:24] <Minataku> steven__: It's lying!
[05:24] <steven__> lol
[05:24] <Minataku> ps again
[05:24] <Minataku> Maybe it died while you were trying to kill it
[05:24] <Minataku> XD
[05:24] <intelikey> orient2000 and what is the problem with it ?
[05:25] <Minataku> orient2000: Do what it says
[05:25] <Minataku> dmesg | tail and look for the problem
[05:25] <intelikey> orient2000 oh.  heh i see    sed 's/user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000,//'  that thing.
[05:25] <intelikey> 's/user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000,/defaults/'
[05:25] <orient2000> I have another linux HD with a data I can not access. I can not mount it
[05:26] <Minataku> intelikey: Simplify
[05:26] <steven__> doh! nothing Minataku
[05:26] <intelikey> 's/user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000,/defaults/' orient2000
[05:26] <steven__> its fine..ill restart or soemthing
[05:26] <orient2000> what shoul I white in fstabs?
[05:26] <Minataku> steven__: Is the program still running?
[05:26] <Eruantalon> Is there a way to get apt-get to dist-upgrade BUT keep certain packages... that is have some sort of priority. Fx i want to upgrade to feisty but it wants to remove kubuntu-desktop. How can i make sure that key packages are kept?
[05:26] <Minataku> orient2000: Replace the mount options with "defaults"
[05:26] <steven__> Minataku yes...except it froze
[05:27] <Minataku> Or just "user,auto"
[05:27] <jmichaelx> draik: this is what i followed: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BerylOnEdgy
[05:27] <steven__> thats why im trying to kill it
[05:27] <Minataku> steven__: Okay, "ps -A" and make sure you note the number carefully
[05:27] <Minataku> If you're like me you transposed some numbers
[05:27] <Minataku> lol
[05:27] <Minataku> I do that all the time when I try to kill programs
[05:28] <chris_> hello, I just installed beryl, works great, but I can't get any 3d effects. I've got an nvidia 7400 Go, and it says that there is no support for the GLX_EXT extension it needs. I'm a little suppried because it's a 7000 serise, and 8000 only just can out. Is there some sort of driver i can install to get the extension going?
[05:28] <Minataku> It'll be "27490" and I'll type "27940"
[05:28] <Minataku> chris_: I gotta say, I love how it "works great" when it actually doesn't work properly ;3
[05:28] <intelikey> orient2000 as i was saying  's/user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000,/defaults/'   that means delete   "user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000,"    and   put   "defaults"  in it's place.
[05:28] <intelikey> modem reset got me.
[05:29] <Telroth> chris_, you need the beta nvidia drivers
[05:29] <steven__> Minataku thanks:)
[05:29] <Minataku> steven__: Got it? :D
[05:29] <Telroth> chris_, #ubuntu-gxl can help you :)
[05:29] <tritesnikov> uboto: thanks for the xrandr command, does the trick. however, does that stop games from changing the resolution to higher than what xrandr says, or would it be a game bug if it crashes when trying to change the resolution?
[05:29] <steven__> Minataku:  sure did thanks:)
[05:29] <Minataku> It was the transposed numbers, wasn't it? XD
[05:29] <chris_> Telroth, ok, thanks.
[05:29] <steven__> Minataku: what is the difference between ps and ps -a?
[05:29] <Minataku> steven__: No problem
[05:29] <Minataku> steven__: ps alone only shows what's running from that terminal
[05:29] <jmichaelx> ubotu is not much of a conversationalist
[05:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about is not much of a conversationalist - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <Minataku> ps -a shows every process on the system
[05:30] <jmichaelx> he proved me wrong
[05:30] <Minataku> Rather ps -A
[05:30] <Minataku> Case sensitive
[05:30] <Minataku> !botsnack
[05:30] <intelikey> orient2000   "man fstab "      will reveal to you that *mask is M$ specific settings.  can't mount anything but M$ krap with those settings.
[05:30] <ubotu> Yum!
[05:30] <steven__> really? what is lower case a then Minataku?
[05:30] <mena> !ipv6
[05:30] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[05:30] <Minataku> steven__: I dunno, let me check
[05:30] <mena> !ipv4
[05:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ipv4 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:30] <dhq> hey all
[05:31] <Minataku> -a              Select all processes except session leaders (see getsid(2)) and processes not associated with a terminal.
[05:31] <dhq> i have a rar file which has password feild how do i get the password
[05:31] <Minataku> Something quite technical
[05:31] <Minataku> lol
[05:31] <steven__> thanks anyway Minataku:)
[05:31] <Minataku> steven__: No problem
[05:31] <Minataku> If it happens again check what you typed
[05:31] <intelikey> ps -a will error
[05:31] <Minataku> Like I said I constantly do the same damn thing XD
[05:31] <orient2000> "/dev/sda1 /media/120MB ext3 user,auto,fmask=0177,dmask=0077,uid=1000,/defaults/' orient2000"?
[05:32] <intelikey> idiots removed the -  on -a
[05:32] <Minataku> intelikey: It doesn't error
[05:32] <Minataku> It's a legit option
[05:32] <tritesnikov> uboto: thanks for the xrandr command, does the trick. however, does that stop games from changing the resolution to higher than what xrandr says, or would it be a game bug if it crashes when trying to change the resolution?
[05:32] <Minataku> tritesnikov: Game bug
[05:32] <tritesnikov> alright thanks
[05:33] <tritesnikov> it's a beta anyways, just trying to make suyre
[05:33] <tritesnikov> sure
[05:33] <Minataku> np
[05:33] <intelikey> Minataku ok it's -x that they did that to
[05:33] <intelikey> we used to do ps -aux all the time.  it errors.
[05:33] <Minataku> intelikey: I dunno, I hardly ever use anything but -A or -Af or something
[05:34] <intelikey> ps -A x     is what i normally use.
[05:35] <Telroth> ps aux is what i use
[05:35] <intelikey> Telroth shows the same thing
[05:37] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  /bin/ps -A ux | grep -e U -m 1
[05:37] <intelikey> USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
[05:37] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  /bin/ps aux | grep -e U -m 1
[05:37] <intelikey> USER       PID %CPU %MEM    VSZ   RSS TTY      STAT START   TIME COMMAND
[05:37] <intelikey> look the same to me.
[05:38] <Minataku> Audacious is being a jerk... it's default MP3 decoder has time measuring issues with VBR MP3s
[05:38] <Minataku> >.<
[05:39] <intelikey> actually i use   pid  which is a script i wrote that with out args does ps -A x   and has some nice formatting added to the text.
[05:40] <intelikey> with args it does tricks.
[05:40] <Minataku> lol
[05:40] <intelikey> jumps through hoops
[05:40] <intelikey> poops in hats...
[05:40] <Minataku> XD
[05:40] <intelikey> looks for the man with the big yellow hat..
[05:42] <mena> no can help me to figure out why i cant conect to the net with kubuntu but i can with xp and i was befor be able to conect with kubuntu
[05:42] <mena> no one*
[05:43] <intelikey> mena did you follow what Dr_willis said to you  ^  ?
[05:43] <draik> Well, I installed Beryl and all that good stuff, but now I can't get the manager to run. Any clues?
[05:43] <mena> yes i had a reply
[05:43] <draik> !beryl
[05:43] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:43] <mena> but with xp
[05:44] <intelikey> have to check with linux.  not xp.
[05:44] <mena> how to do with kubuntu is there a command
[05:44] <intelikey> ping
[05:44] <intelikey> man ping
[05:44] <intelikey> man ifconfig
[05:44] <mena> okay i will but if i had
[05:44] <intelikey> nano /etc/resolv.conf
[05:44] <mena> okay
[05:45] <Minataku> Fu...dge
[05:45] <Minataku> My neck hurts
[05:46] <cpk1> resolve.conf only helps if their dns isnt working
[05:47] <Minataku> resolve.conf doesn't help at all. You have to spell it right ;3
[05:47] <cpk1> mena: you able to connect to your router?
[05:47] <cpk1> that is true
[05:48] <FringeJacket> I cant get gaim to install
[05:48] <Minataku> That's probably a good thing
[05:48] <cpk1> FringeJacket: using aptitude?
[05:49] <FringeJacket> to be honest, I just know I did the package and followed what it said for that
[05:50] <FringeJacket> My friend just installed linux on my computer yesterday and it confuses me
[05:50] <revdjenk> Fringejacket, what is the most confusing?
[05:51] <Minataku> FringeJacket: Thank him
[05:51] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, what's bothering you about it?
[05:51] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, ok, open up a konsole (Kmenu->system->konsole)
[05:51] <Dr_willis> given the fighting ive been doing with windows XP lately........ Linux is like a... err... hmm.. i better not say this is a Faimly Channel
[05:52] <underdog5004> Dr_willis, lol, a safe haven?
[05:52] <Dr_willis> I was thinking  "a wife thats goodlooking AND can cook..."
[05:52] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:52] <FringeJacket> ok
[05:53] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, now type sudo apt-get install gaim
[05:53] <Mightily-Oats> hey all... hopefully a quick question... anyone played around with usb headphones?
[05:53] <underdog5004> Mightily-Oats, I have
[05:53] <underdog5004> Plantronics
[05:54] <FringeJacket> it says it can't find the package
[05:54] <Mightily-Oats> ive been given a set of dodgitech usb ones.. and i cant get sound out of them..
[05:54] <Dr_willis> !info gaim
[05:54] <revdjenk> Dr_willis   :)
[05:54] <ubotu> gaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta3.1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1311 kB, installed size 3712 kB
[05:54] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, ok, you need to edit a text file for me.
[05:55] <Mightily-Oats> dmesg picks up the device
[05:55] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, in konsole, type in sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[05:55] <Mightily-Oats> alsamixer -c 2 allows me to control volume... but the sound isnt been directed through them
[05:56] <sasoyna> hi guys anyone work with samba?
[05:56] <Mightily-Oats> is there way to route the sound to a different device?
[05:56] <underdog5004> Mightily-Oats, you may need to use kmix to change the mixer
[05:56] <FringeJacket> ok
[05:57] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, ok, that'll open up a text file that's got a bunch of stuff in it. Basically, delete the #'s from in front of the lines that start with #deb etc..
[05:58] <Mightily-Oats> underdog5004: ok.. changed the mixer.. it allows me to control the volume.. but i dont think the sound is being sent to the usb headphones
[05:58] <underdog5004> Mightily-Oats, Open up kmix and select USB 0x02c3 or whatever it's called?
[05:58] <underdog5004> Mightily-Oats, there should be a dropdown menu in the upper right...
[05:58] <Mightily-Oats> underdog5004: yep.. did that.
[05:58] <FringeJacket> ok, done and saved
[05:58] <underdog5004> Mightily-Oats, and it didn't work?
[05:59] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, ok, now do that other command... sudo apt-get install gaim
[05:59] <Mightily-Oats> nup... sound is still coming out through the soundcard and speakers...
[05:59] <Mightily-Oats> i think it needs to be routed to the new device.. but im not dure how to do that
[05:59] <underdog5004> Mightily-Oats, have you rebooted your computer since you've had your headphones in?
[05:59] <underdog5004> that'll do it...cause I don't know the command to redetect soundcards, lol
[05:59] <mena> intelikey, first i didi it and nothing happend and i got some chosise and then i opened the nano and i found the gateway is right bec its the one i use on xp so any idea
[06:00] <Mightily-Oats> underdog5004: nup... just plugged them in.. should i?
[06:00] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, did it work?
[06:00] <FringeJacket> still doesn't wanna work] 
[06:00] <underdog5004> Mightily-Oats, that's what works for me...
[06:00] <underdog5004> pastebin | FringeJacket
[06:00] <Mightily-Oats> ok... ill try that underdog5004... thanks :)
[06:00] <orient2000> Can I reinstall Kubuntu from root without loosing my data?
[06:00] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, in konsole, type in sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list and copy it over to pastebin
[06:00] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, then give us the address...
[06:00] <smaggard> hello!
[06:00] <intelikey> mena i'm not the one to be asking about networking.  sorry.    i really don't want to mess something up there.
[06:02] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, ?
[06:02] <FringeJacket> what is pastebin?
[06:02] <underdog5004> pastebin | FringeJacket
[06:02] <orient2000> !pastebin
[06:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:02] <intelikey> http://www.pastebin.ca
[06:02] <underdog5004> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[06:02] <intelikey> http://www.pastebin.ca
[06:03] <intelikey> :)
[06:03] <underdog5004> intelikey, that's for canada
[06:03] <mena> intelikey, ok thanks i guess i will renistall kubuntu thaks any way
[06:03] <underdog5004> w/e
[06:03] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, ?
[06:04] <intelikey> underdog5004 that's for people that may or MAY NOT use a gui browser.   the ubuntu pastebin doesn't work with cli browsers.
[06:04] <underdog5004> intelikey, he's using a gui
[06:04] <intelikey> see above statement.
[06:04] <underdog5004> intelikey, truce?
[06:04] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, how you doing?
[06:05] <jarrod> j/#ubunut
[06:05] <FringeJacket> more confused.
[06:05] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, why?
[06:05] <intelikey> besides just because it says .ca     doesn't mean much  the ub one is in .uk
[06:05] <underdog5004> intelikey, ok.
[06:05] <intelikey> uk ca what the diff3  ?
[06:05] <FringeJacket> nevermind, being dumb, gimme a sec\
[06:06] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, k
[06:06] <intelikey> monkey-C  ?
[06:07] <Mightily-Oats> underdog5004: ok.. rebooted.. still no sound through the headphones :(
[06:07] <orient2000> How can I save my files? I have Kubuntu booting but no GUI.
[06:07] <intelikey> !sound | Mightily-Oats
[06:07] <ubotu> Mightily-Oats: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:07] <underdog5004> Mightily-Oats, ok, open up Kmenu->system settings->sound/multimedia
[06:07] <FringeJacket> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4063/
[06:08] <intelikey> orient2000 why no gui ?
[06:08] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, ok, taking a look now
[06:08] <FringeJacket> thank you so much
[06:08] <Mightily-Oats> yep
[06:08] <intelikey> orient2000 you can reconfigure xorg...
[06:08] <orient2000> xserver-xorg-core does not start. I was working on it to long.
[06:08] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, ok, that's not what I want. I want the stuff that's in the kate window (the ones with all the #'s)
[06:08] <Mightily-Oats> tried with sound system on
[06:09] <underdog5004> orient2000, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:09] <underdog5004> orient2000, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[06:09] <orient2000> I did it, nothing works. I just want these files and then reinstall.
[06:09] <intelikey> reinstall to fix gui ?
[06:10] <underdog5004> Mightily-Oats, then in hardware, check override device location, and type in /dev/dsp1
[06:10] <underdog5004> orient2000, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg
[06:10] <FringeJacket> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4064/
[06:10] <orient2000> Ok I will try it.
[06:11] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, ok, that's good. lemme take a look..
[06:11] <intelikey> if you run   sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg    and answer all the questions correctly the gui will work.   then type startx    to test it.
[06:13] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, take a look at this: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4065/    <== delete all the stuff in your /etc/apt/sources.list and replace it with that stuff.
[06:13] <underdog5004> Mightily-Oats, still having problems?
[06:14] <Mightily-Oats> underdog5004: yep. still a no go
[06:14] <underdog5004> ok, instead of /dev/dsp1, do /dev/dsp
[06:15] <intelikey> underdog5004 why didn't you have him just remove the last three lines        or did i miss something ?
[06:15] <Mightily-Oats> underdog5004: nothing this time
[06:15] <Mightily-Oats> either
[06:16] <underdog5004> intelikey, I don't know.
[06:16] <underdog5004> Mightily-Oats, bummer
[06:16] <intelikey> you know that you cut him out of backports
[06:16] <underdog5004> I did? weird...
[06:16] <underdog5004> intelikey, feel free to jump in
[06:16] <underdog5004> I gotta go soon
[06:17] <FringeJacket> not working, luckily RJ is home from work
[06:17] <intelikey> err no you didn't.  i overlooked it
[06:17] <intelikey> it's there.
[06:17] <Mightily-Oats> underdog5004: ok.. ill keep searching... thanks for all ur help
[06:17] <underdog5004> Mightily-Oats, np
[06:17] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, I gotta go... intelikey will help you, though.
[06:17] <underdog5004> bye, y'all.
[06:17] <intelikey> underdog5004 don't leave.
[06:18] <intelikey> i'll quit trubbling you.    i was just curious.
[06:18] <underdog5004> I stick around...can't stay for too long
[06:18] <FringeJacket> don't worry intelikey... I'm bothering RJ with my questions
[06:18] <FringeJacket> thanks for your help underdog
[06:18] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, I'm sticking around for a bit...
[06:19] <draik> WOOHOO
[06:19] <draik> I got beryl working!
[06:19] <crazy_bus> My apt-get has stopped working.  I now get this error message
[06:19] <crazy_bus>  subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 127
[06:19] <crazy_bus> Errors were encountered while processing:
[06:19] <crazy_bus>  gstreamer-editor
[06:19] <crazy_bus> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[06:19] <underdog5004> draik, isn't it beautiful?
[06:19] <jordo23> Does anyone know what I have to do to get a Logitech Headset and MIc working under Kubuntu?
[06:19] <underdog5004> !pastebin | crazy_bus
[06:19] <ubotu> crazy_bus: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:19] <draik> underdog5004: BEYOND that
[06:20] <draik> I'm having so much fun right now just opening a bunch of folders and files just to see them Burn!!!
[06:20] <underdog5004> draik, what video card you using?
[06:20] <draik> nVidia 5700LS 256MB
[06:20] <draik> nVidia GeForce FX 5700LS 256MB
[06:20] <underdog5004> I'm thinkin' bout a 6200 LE
[06:20] <underdog5004> nvidia, of course
[06:20] <draik> I'm thinking about upgrading... PERIOD
[06:20] <underdog5004> draik, lol
[06:21] <draik> I feel like a kid at a candy store
[06:21] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, did you get that copied over?
[06:21] <draik> I'm on my own "sugar rush" from beryl
[06:21] <underdog5004> draik, lol, now YOU can post pretty vids on youtube
[06:21] <crazy_bus> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4067/
[06:21] <orient2000> sudo dpkg... -phigh... gave me debconfig: unable to initialize frontend: KDE, (DISPLAY PROBLEM?), falling back to frontend: Dialog
[06:21] <FringeJacket> yup, didn't work
[06:21] <draik> I was just getting to that, underdog5004...
[06:21] <draik> What do I need to record what I do on my desktop?
[06:21] <draik> what app/pkg/etc?
[06:22] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, you copied what I pasted into your sources.list file and saved it, then did sudo apt-get install gaim?
[06:22] <underdog5004> and it didn't work?
[06:22] <underdog5004> !desktoprecorder
[06:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about desktoprecorder - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:22] <intelikey> orient2000 that's not a problem.    what else ?
[06:22] <FringeJacket> yeah
[06:22] <orient2000> my xorg does not start, thats all
[06:23] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, that should have worked.
[06:23] <underdog5004> orient2000, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:23] <underdog5004> then do startx
[06:23] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, pastebin your sources.list
[06:23] <FringeJacket> I've decided to just go with another method... the non-package method
[06:23] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, huh?
[06:23] <underdog5004> how?
[06:23] <orient2000> I did it before, same think.
[06:23] <intelikey> orient2000 it's not going to automatically start after you configure it.     run    startx      and see if it works or gives errors
[06:23] <dhq> i have a rar file which has password feild how do i get the password
[06:23] <underdog5004> orient2000, what driver did you use?
[06:24] <underdog5004> dhq, ask the person who made the rar
[06:24] <dhq> underdog5004: who made rar
[06:24] <underdog5004> orient2000, vesa will work on _anything_
[06:24] <dhq> !rar
[06:24] <ubotu> rar is a non-free archive format created by Rarsoft. For instructions on accessing .rar files through the Archive Manager view https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression. There is a free (as in speech) unrar utility as well, see !info unrar-free
[06:24] <intelikey> if it error     what are they ?    (ignore lines with 'wacom' in them)
[06:24] <underdog5004> dhq, no, who made the .rar file?
[06:24] <orient2000> was setup automatically. I do not know
[06:25] <dhq> underdog5004: well i got the file online
[06:25] <FringeJacket> the page has alot of options, but I didn't know which other ones wojuld work on my laptop til RJ got back
[06:25] <orient2000> how to change driver?
[06:25] <underdog5004> dhq, to add to you pr0nzor collection?
[06:25] <orient2000> I am not in gui
[06:25] <draik> !istanbul
[06:25] <ubotu> istanbul: Desktop session recorder. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 47 kB, installed size 380 kB
[06:25] <underdog5004> orient2000, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[06:25] <intelikey> underdog5004 vesa will work on most things.  i have a vidio card that vesa wont work on.  others might have simular
[06:25] <underdog5004> the first screen asks for the driver
[06:25] <orient2000> OK I will try again.
[06:26] <dhq> underdog5004: ????
[06:26] <underdog5004> dhq, nothing
[06:26] <intelikey> underdog5004 ok.  gooday and good luck to your penguin
[06:26] <underdog5004> thanks so much!
[06:28] <intelikey> FringeJacket what you working on ?
[06:28] <dhq> underdog5004: do you have any idea on intel grafx cards
[06:29] <intelikey> dhq i810  ?
[06:29] <dhq> intelikey: yup
[06:29] <intelikey> what are you doing to it ?
[06:30] <intelikey> i simply wasn't trying to follow every thouight in the channel
[06:30] <FringeJacket> intelikey, can you be more specific
[06:30] <intelikey> [underdog5004(n=matthew@75.111.25.7)]  can you help FringeJacket?  <<<
[06:31] <intelikey> i can't if i don't know what you are trying to do..
[06:31] <intelikey> from what i gather     install something ?
[06:32] <FringeJacket> install gaim. it should be simple
[06:32] <draik> I'm using beryl... I'm using beryl...
[06:32] <dhq> intelikey: i have a laptop using this drive i am using edgy when i start the laptop ,i can see my mouse and the screen is half the half of the scenn is not visible ,then i have close the lid of my laptop and then the screen is ok ;the when i run kdm i face another problem my mouse appears to look distorted the cursor is fuzzy and all then i have to start my mplayer and then i can see my mouse properly any help
[06:32] <intelikey> !info gaim
[06:32] <ubotu> gaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta3.1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1311 kB, installed size 3712 kB
[06:32] <intelikey> FringeJacket sudo apt-get install gaim
[06:33] <jordo23> I keep getting errors with Ark......is there a better GUI compression utility that isn't GTK+?
[06:33] <Minataku> jordo23: Why GUI?
[06:33] <FringeJacket> "couldn't find package gaim"
[06:33] <Minataku> But to actually answer
[06:33] <Minataku> !fileroller
[06:34] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fileroller - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:34] <Minataku> Unless that's... oh, nvm
[06:34] <Minataku> It's not even in the repos anyway >.<
[06:34] <jordo23> Minataku: For KDE....
[06:34] <Hobbsee> !info gaim
[06:34] <ubotu> gaim: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.0+beta3.1-1ubuntu9 (edgy), package size 1311 kB, installed size 3712 kB
[06:34] <dhq> intelikey: any idea
[06:34] <Minataku> jordo23: I just pack/unpack from the CLI
[06:34] <Hobbsee> it should find gaim...
[06:35] <intelikey> dhq   in /boot/grub/menu.lst    on the kernel line  add vga=781   maybe.
[06:36] <jordo23> Minataku: I honestly don't know compression that well.....how to uncompress a .tar.bz2 file?
[06:36] <intelikey> dhq and on the gui portion of that problem.   you are not using kernel frame buffering for the xorg driver are you ?    grep -ie driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf     to see what driver
[06:36] <dhq> intelikey: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic root=/dev/hda2 ro quiet splash vga=781 " like this
[06:36] <Minataku> jordo23: tar xfj file.tar.bz2
[06:37] <intelikey> FringeJacket sudo apt-get update
[06:37] <Minataku> I unpack those all the time :3
[06:37] <intelikey> dhq yes
[06:37] <intelikey> FringeJacket if that pukes out errors pastebin them.
[06:38] <jordo23> Minataku: When I run that command it just sits there.....wierd
[06:38] <Minataku> Give it a minute
[06:38] <FringeJacket> lovely phrasing
[06:38] <Minataku> bz2 is a heavy compression algo
[06:38] <Minataku> If it's a large file it'll take a bit of time
[06:38] <dhq> intelikey: i am not using frame kernel buffering and i am using driver i810
[06:39] <intelikey> dhq actually the more i think about it.  i'm not sure  781 is what you want....    maybe 791    one works better on CTR the other on flats
[06:39] <jordo23> Minataku: Worked.....thanks...
[06:39] <intelikey> dhq ok.   i'm not sure what is causing the mouse problem then.
[06:39] <Minataku> jordo23: np
[06:40] <dhq> intelikey: so i am on an lcd so which one should i used vga 781 or 791
[06:40] <Minataku> I do all my file administration from the CLI :3
[06:40] <intelikey> dhq i just said i don't remember   try   781   if that's not it change it....
[06:40] <intelikey> it only costs a reboot.
[06:40] <dhq> intelikey: okies thanks dude
[06:40] <intelikey> not like windows never did you that way....
[06:41] <intelikey> youre welcome
[06:41] <dhq> intelikey: when i run xgl my pc gets screwed y doent xgl work :(
[06:41] <Dr_willis>   xgl is a work in progress
[06:41] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:41] <intelikey> i don't know.    you start getting into propritary stuff there and i just back up and watch it crash.
[06:42] <intelikey> and yes cgl is still green.
[06:42] <dhq> intelikey: Dr_willis: even with beryl and aiglx :(
[06:42] <Minataku> Hey
[06:42] <Minataku> nVidia tries
[06:42] <intelikey> !beryl
[06:42] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:42] <Minataku> They're with us, not against us
[06:42] <Dr_willis> and a doze of voodoo, and some waving of the magic wand
[06:42] <Minataku> ATI is our enemy
[06:43] <Minataku> Hopefully not anymore since AMD's buyout
[06:43] <intelikey> if it anit open sourse.  it might as well have M$ stamped on it as far as im concerned.
[06:43] <Dr_willis> video card makers that are pushing newer and newer stuff we dont need..... :)
[06:44] <Dr_willis> we need SLI for our desktops!
[06:44] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:44] <intelikey> s?
[06:45] <Dr_willis> when your video cards have more memory then your last pc... thats progress!
[06:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:45] <intelikey> FringeJacket did apt get an upset stomoch or not ?
[06:46] <intelikey> inDiGestIOn
[06:46] <FringeJacket> not yet
[06:46] <intelikey> good.
[06:47] <FringeJacket> but its still going
[06:47] <intelikey> you must suffer with lots of bandNARROWness  like i do..
[06:47] <intelikey> dialup ?
[06:47] <Minataku> If you've got: Nausea, Heartburn, Indigestion; Upset Stomach... DIARRHEA
[06:47] <Minataku> Sorry X3
[06:48] <intelikey> pepto dismal
[06:48] <Minataku> Hey
[06:48] <Minataku> Pepto is great
[06:48] <ForgeAus> amd bought out ATI?
[06:48] <Minataku> That stuff works wonders
[06:48] <ForgeAus> whats that mean for Video cards?
[06:48] <Minataku> ForgeAus: Where have you been?
[06:48] <intelikey> ForgeAus where you been ?
[06:48] <Minataku> lol
[06:48] <ForgeAus> lol
[06:49] <ForgeAus> I'm here... and there... multitasking
[06:49] <intelikey> ^5
[06:49] <ForgeAus> I'm generally an Asus/intel/ATI guy
[06:49] <ForgeAus> does that mean I'll have to go Nvidia?
[06:49] <ForgeAus> or go AMD + ATI instead?
[06:49] <Minataku> ForgeAus: What kind of rent do you pay on that "Under a rock"? I've heard it's expensive
[06:49] <Minataku> XD
[06:49] <intelikey> probably not.
[06:49] <Minataku> ForgeAus: As a Linux user you should never have been ATI
[06:50] <ForgeAus> well I'm only recently a linux user
[06:50] <Dr_willis> :0
[06:50] <Minataku> Ah
[06:50] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:50] <ForgeAus> I WAS a windows user (and still consider myself partially as such)
[06:50] <Dr_willis> I agree.. but lately ive had decent luck with the few ati cards ive had..
[06:50] <ForgeAus> even though my windows' are kinda dead right now
[06:50] <Dr_willis> which is suprising
[06:50] <ForgeAus> if I fix up my partition problems they're likely to get working again
[06:50] <intelikey> he's a half breed
[06:50] <Minataku> lol
[06:50] <ForgeAus> lol
[06:50] <Minataku> I'm a multibreed
[06:50] <ForgeAus> I'm an equal opportunity OS enthusiast ok?
[06:50] <Minataku> Linux/*BSD/*Solaris
[06:51] <i7ch> hi, can someone send me their /etc/apt/sources.list ? i've just rm'd mine.
[06:51] <Minataku> I'm an OS collector and Unix fanatic
[06:51] <ForgeAus> plus I conside Aros and BSD other OS's that I use
[06:51] <ForgeAus> well I'm mostly new to the *nix side still overall
[06:51] <Minataku> I gotta say
[06:51] <Minataku> I _love_ CDE
[06:51] <ForgeAus> lol
[06:51] <Minataku> Motif's look FTW
[06:51] <ForgeAus> yeah I knew that
[06:52] <ForgeAus> I can't say as I like the diamond-shaped radio buttons
[06:52] <intelikey> you guys are so geeky
[06:52] <ForgeAus> nor the drop-down list boxes motif uses by default
[06:52] <ForgeAus> but thats just aesthetics
[06:52] <Minataku> intelikey: That's nothing, earlier someone was talking about hash as in drugs
[06:52] <Red_Herring> intelikey: durr
[06:52] <Minataku> I said "Here's my hash" and gave them the MD5 hash of my nickname
[06:52] <Minataku> XD
[06:53] <ForgeAus> awww and here I thought you meant tables :)
[06:53] <Minataku> Now THAT'S geeky
[06:53] <i7ch> anyone, please? just send me your /etc/apt/sources.list , if you're running kubuntu 6.10
[06:53] <ForgeAus> why i7ch?
[06:53] <ForgeAus> most of mine is commented out!
[06:53] <intelikey> :)
[06:53] <i7ch> ForgeAus, i'm going to harvest all your secret passwords from it
[06:53] <i7ch> i just deleted mine by accident :/
[06:53] <Red_Herring> hehe
[06:53] <Red_Herring> no one remembers me
[06:53] <ForgeAus> theres gpg's in there but no passwords
[06:53] <Red_Herring> i was here early 06 helpin everyone outz
[06:54] <ForgeAus> ich7 you got a kubuntu liveCD?
[06:54] <ForgeAus> if so copy the sources.lst from there
[06:54] <ForgeAus> easy :)
[06:54] <i7ch> ForgeAus, possibly.. i guess i could get one from there, didn't think of it
[06:54] <i7ch> intelikey, thanks man
[06:54] <ForgeAus> i7ch :) its just one option
[06:54] <intelikey> np
[06:54] <intelikey> brb
[06:55] <i7ch> Red_Herring, dude, early '06! i still remember those days.. you know.. everyone was obsessed about 24 and lost and CSI...
[06:55] <Red_Herring> 24... rofl.
[06:55] <Red_Herring> anywayas who needs help
[06:56] <Minataku> Red_Herring: Nobody
[06:56] <Minataku> We helped them all
[06:56] <Minataku> No more left. Ever.
[06:56] <Minataku> XD
[06:56] <Minataku> (I wish)
[06:56] <Red_Herring> whoah.
[06:56] <Red_Herring> congrats.
[06:56] <Red_Herring> hehe
[06:56] <Minataku> Nah, most Kubuntu users are fairly bright, I mean they switched in the first place, right?
[06:56] <intelikey> well i think i need help      but i dont think you were offering that kind of help.
[06:56] <Minataku> There's obviously hope for them if they did that
[06:56] <Red_Herring> Minataku: i dunno
[06:57] <Red_Herring> i give out mostly kubuntu cds
[06:57] <Red_Herring> not much ubuntu cds
[06:57] <Minataku> I meant *buntu
[06:57] <Minataku> It gets annoying hitting the * all the time
[06:57] <Red_Herring> meh
[06:57] <Red_Herring> get used to it!
[06:57] <Minataku> NEVAR
[06:57] <intelikey> Red_Herring if i said i couldn't get grub to install do you think you could help me ?
[06:57] <Minataku> XD
[06:57] <Red_Herring> sure
[06:57] <Red_Herring> intelikey: more info
[06:58] <i7ch> also, anyone else noticed that azureus from the ubuntu reps has no notification icon? it's just a grey square.
[06:58] <intelikey> well it won't install on this system.   root is on  sda    mbr is on hda
[06:58] <crimsun> i7ch: it's fixed in -proposed
[06:58] <i7ch> crimsun, what's "prposed"?
[06:58] <Red_Herring> haha
[06:58] <Red_Herring> intelikey: yeah
[06:58] <Minataku> The version nobody has
[06:58] <Red_Herring> thatll cause problems
[06:59] <Red_Herring> ummm
[06:59] <Red_Herring> lets see
[06:59] <Red_Herring> how to fix...
[06:59] <Red_Herring> !grub
[06:59] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[06:59] <intelikey> yeah i know.   shame grub can't boot my box...
[06:59] <Red_Herring> tried all that?
[06:59] <intelikey> yeah.
[06:59] <Red_Herring> tried google/
[06:59] <intelikey> yeah.
[07:00] <Red_Herring> hrmmm
[07:00] <intelikey> and the exotic stuff...
[07:00] <Red_Herring> can you get the livecd runnin?
[07:00] <Red_Herring> erm
[07:00] <i7ch> crimsun, is that in backports?
[07:00] <intelikey> sure.
[07:00] <crimsun> i7ch: no, it's in -proposed
[07:00] <intelikey> but it won't help
[07:00] <Red_Herring> what happens when you run 'grub-install'
[07:00] <i7ch> what the hell is -proposed?
[07:01] <intelikey> tty24 [root@~]  grub-install /dev/hda
[07:01] <intelikey> Unknown partition table signature
[07:01] <Red_Herring> hrm
[07:01] <intelikey> and it repetes 14 times
[07:01] <intelikey> The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly.
[07:01] <intelikey> tty24 [root@~] 
[07:02] <intelikey> ends with that ^
[07:02] <Red_Herring> wait so explain the hdd makeup
[07:02] <Red_Herring> you have the boot hd on the IDE hd
[07:02] <Red_Herring> and the root hd on the sata hd?
[07:02] <intelikey> ok root is on   /dev/sda
[07:02] <intelikey> scsi
[07:03] <Red_Herring> intelikey: make a /boot partition in the boot hd
[07:03] <intelikey> mmm no can do.  it has another linux installed on it.
[07:03] <crazy_bus> Can anyone help me fix a apt-get problem?
[07:03] <intelikey> root on /dev/hda
[07:03] <intelikey> Red_Herring see i have no partitions.
[07:04] <Red_Herring> wtf?
[07:04] <Red_Herring> you gotta have partitions
[07:04] <intelikey> i don't use them.
[07:04] <Red_Herring> thats. how. hds. work.
[07:04] <intelikey> no.
[07:04] <intelikey> well i don't have any.
[07:04] <Minataku> You can put the GRUB Stage 1 on the MBR of one HDD and the rest on another
[07:04] <Minataku> intelikey: Your boot HDD must have a partition
[07:04] <intelikey> Minataku yeah but grub can't boot a partitionless hd.
[07:05] <intelikey> Minataku i have none.   not any partitions.
[07:05] <Minataku> Red_Herring: You CAN put a filesystem on a raw device
[07:05] <intelikey> yeas and lilo can boot it.
[07:05] <Red_Herring> well
[07:05] <Red_Herring> try lilo
[07:05] <intelikey> :)
[07:05] <Red_Herring> cuz yeah
[07:05] <Red_Herring> partitions for the win
[07:05] <Minataku> intelikey: Sounds like bullplop to me, unless you actually set it up so that the PC boots right from Cyl0 Track0 Head0
[07:06] <Red_Herring> FringeJacket: pinggggg
[07:06] <Jucato> wow! Red_Herring? in here?!!? wow!
[07:06] <Red_Herring> o.O
[07:06] <Red_Herring> im not allowed to say lilo in here?
[07:06] <intelikey> Minataku you don't have to   lilo reads raw disk address    so it boots it just fine.
[07:06] <Red_Herring> you's lagging FringeJacket
[07:07] <intelikey> but grub uses bios to read files in   so it can't be used on a partitionless disk.
[07:07] <Minataku> intelikey: The issue is that the BIOS needs an MBR to boot from
[07:07] <intelikey> there is an mbr.
[07:07] <Minataku> If the filesystem is the entire device there's no MBR
[07:07] <Red_Herring> eh
[07:07] <intelikey> sure there is.
[07:07] <Red_Herring> the mbr is just 512 bits
[07:07] <Red_Herring> erm
[07:07] <Red_Herring> 512 Bytes
[07:07] <Red_Herring> so it cant take up THAT much
[07:07] <intelikey> yeah
[07:08] <intelikey> the very first 512 bytes of any disk.
[07:08] <Minataku> I don't think the MBR is a reserved area, I think it has to be set aside
[07:08] <Red_Herring> its reserved
[07:08] <intelikey> yep
[07:08] <Jucato> it's a reserved are
[07:08] <Jucato> a.k.a. boot sector (iirc)
[07:08] <Minataku> Hm...
[07:09] <Minataku> Learn something new every day
[07:09] <Red_Herring> hrm
[07:09] <Red_Herring> it appears that FringeJacket has timed out
[07:09] <Jucato> hrmmmm
[07:09] <FringeJacket> what are you talking about?
[07:09] <Red_Herring> either that or she just doesnt like CTCP-PINGs
[07:09] <intelikey> well actually i think we cross bred two terms there.   the mbr is written in the boot sector
[07:10] <alex_> I installed grub-splashes, but how do I change them?
[07:10] <FringeJacket> chill Red
[07:10] <alex_> I mean grub-splashimages
[07:11] <Minataku> I don't use those
[07:11] <FringeJacket> remember... Gprs connection... gotta do things the slow way
[07:11] <Red_Herring> thats true
[07:11] <Minataku> Last time I did, when it went wrong GRUB turned invisible XD
[07:11] <intelikey> so Red_Herring did you decide you couldn't help me install grub ?   lol
[07:11] <Red_Herring> intelikey: try lilo.
[07:11] <Red_Herring> i dont think grub CAN do what you want it to
[07:12] <Minataku> Or maybe LinuxBIOS
[07:12] <intelikey> Red_Herring that's what i said to begin with   :)
[07:12] <alex_> Minataku: either way, how do I change the settings ( I want to change default OS and timeout time)
[07:12] <Minataku> Or quit being a weirdo and partition your damn drives
[07:12] <Red_Herring> intelikey: ...have you tried lilo?
[07:12] <Minataku> lol
[07:12] <Red_Herring> arg now i remembered why i ditched this channel.
[07:12] <intelikey> Red_Herring yeah i use it all the time.  have too
[07:12] <Minataku> alex_: /boot/grub/grub.conf
[07:12] <intelikey> i said that already.  i guess you missed it.
[07:13] <alex_> Minataku: thanks
[07:13] <Minataku> alex_: np
[07:13] <Minataku> Just remember
[07:13] <intelikey> but you wanted to help someone...
[07:13] <Minataku> If it screws up and GRUB turns invisible it's still running fine
[07:13] <Minataku> You just can't see it
[07:13] <Minataku> XD
[07:13] <intelikey> Red_Herring so i thought i'd offer to let you....
[07:13] <Red_Herring> ah
 well i think i need help      but i dont think you were offering
[07:14] <intelikey>             that kind of help.
[07:15] <Red_Herring> sweeet. rocketfeet
[07:15] <Minataku> lol
[07:15] <intelikey> :)
[07:16] <Red_Herring> so who else needs help.
[07:18] <intelikey> well  i have another issue.   ya want to hear about it ?
[07:18] <intelikey> :)
[07:18] <Red_Herring> yesssss
[07:18] <intelikey> su* won't work on this box
[07:19] <victor__> hey
[07:19] <alex_> Minataku: hey, the file grub.conf is not there
[07:19] <Red_Herring> su*?
[07:19] <Red_Herring> victor__: hi.
[07:19] <victor__> hey
[07:19] <Red_Herring> ....hey!
[07:19] <intelikey> the asterisk being a wild card meaning anything
[07:19] <victor__> im having some issues with trying to run wolfenstein enemy territory
[07:19] <victor__> :)
[07:19] <Red_Herring> ohhh
[07:19] <Red_Herring> fun
[07:19] <intelikey> what issues ?
[07:19] <Red_Herring> k go on
[07:20] <Red_Herring> intelikey: as in suse?
[07:20] <Red_Herring> cuz if you wanna know about suse
[07:20] <victor__> when I try to join a server, for some reason, it will not download the content
[07:20] <Red_Herring> go to.... you guessed it #suse
[07:20] <victor__> wait
[07:20] <Red_Herring> victor__: do you have r/w privleges to your .et folder?
[07:20] <victor__> yea
[07:20] <victor__> thats exactly what i was thinking
[07:20] <Minataku> alex_: Perhaps it's menu.lst ?
[07:20] <victor__> i just thought of that right now
[07:20] <intelikey> Red_Herring mmmm actually suse wont run on here cause it's not installed, but that's not prezactly what i meant.
[07:20] <victor__> but i have another noob question
[07:21] <Red_Herring> shoot
[07:21] <alex_> Minataku: lol
[07:21] <alex_> Minataku: thanks
[07:21] <Jucato> bang!
[07:21] <Minataku> np
[07:21] <Minataku> I know I have both and one is a link to the other
[07:21] <Red_Herring> (btw 'sudo chown -R whateverurusernameis ~./et/'
[07:21] <victor__> if wolfenstein crashes, it locks the mouse up and i cant seem to get out of it
[07:21] <intelikey> alex_ /boot/grub/menu.lst
[07:21] <victor__> in windows, i alt-tab and it brings me back to the dekstop
[07:21] <victor__> doesnt work in kde
[07:22] <Minataku> victor__: The mechanical Hitler getting his revenge, eh?
[07:22] <victor__> LOL
[07:22] <victor__> yea
[07:22] <victor__> but otherwise
[07:22] <Red_Herring> umm
[07:22] <victor__> im very impressed with kubuntu
[07:22] <Minataku> victor__: Ctrl+Alt+F1, log in, "ps -A", look for the process, remember the PID, "kill PID"
[07:22] <Red_Herring> 'ctl-alt-f1'
[07:22] <Red_Herring> yeah
[07:22] <Minataku> If that fails, "kill -9 PID"
[07:22] <intelikey> victor__ key combo    ctrl+alt+esc
[07:22] <Red_Herring> killall et.x86 iirc
[07:22] <Red_Herring> or maybe its et.run
[07:23] <Minataku> If THAT fails, put head between knees and cry softly
[07:23] <victor__> doesnt ctrl-alt-f1 bring me to a terminal
[07:23] <victor__> ?
[07:23] <victor__> in full screen
[07:23] <intelikey> see if you can kill the full screen....   if that don't work then more drastic mesures.
[07:23] <Red_Herring> yeah
[07:23] <Minataku> Or if you're not averse to restarting all of X, Ctrl+Alt+BkSp
[07:23] <Red_Herring> but then you switch back by hitting ctrl-alt-f7
[07:23] <victor__> hey!
[07:23] <victor__> thats cool
[07:23] <Minataku> Yeah
[07:23] <Minataku> VTs
[07:23] <victor__> ok let me try to crash enemy territory
[07:24] <Minataku> Thank... well actually, thank Microsoft for Virtual Terminals
[07:24] <victor__> if i leave without saying anything its becuase i wasnt able to get out of the lock
[07:24] <Minataku> VTs came about in Xenix
[07:24] <Minataku> lol
[07:24] <intelikey> when did xenix come out ?
[07:24] <Minataku> Long, long ago
[07:24] <Minataku> In a galazy far, far away
[07:24] <Minataku> j/k
[07:24] <Red_Herring> loooooooong
[07:24] <Minataku> But it was a long time ago
[07:26] <intelikey> just wondered  bsd gnu hurd and linux were all born with tty's    err not sure about bsd
[07:26] <Minataku> They all had TTYs
[07:26] <Minataku> Since before Unix First Edition
[07:26] <intelikey> i said born with.
[07:26] <Minataku> Exactly
[07:26] <Minataku> TTY is short for TeleTYpe
[07:27] <intelikey> unix is old.
[07:27] <Minataku> Nobody actually uses teletypes anymore but the name stuck
[07:27] <Minataku> intelikey: Very old
[07:27] <intelikey> three days older than dirt.
[07:28] <Minataku> All the way back to the 70s at a little place called "Bell Telephone Laboratories"
[07:28] <intelikey> they made unix vefore they made ice-water...
[07:28] <Red_Herring> hehe
[07:28] <intelikey> so Red_Herring about my su sudo kdesu gksudo not working....
[07:28] <Minataku> www.levenez.com/unix
[07:28] <Red_Herring> OHH THOSE su*s
[07:29] <Minataku> The definitive Unix timeline
[07:29] <Red_Herring> intelikey: whats the error when  you try 'sudo'?
[07:29] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  sudo
[07:29] <intelikey> sudo: must be setuid root
[07:29] <intelikey> :)
[07:29] <victor__> hey
[07:29] <victor__> it didnt work
[07:30] <Red_Herring> hehehe
[07:30] <victor__> i made enemy territory crash
[07:30] <Red_Herring> intelikey: you didnt set yourself as a sudoer didja
[07:30] <victor__> by killing the process
[07:30] <victor__> and it looked like kde was stuck in "opengl mode" for lack of a better term
[07:30] <victor__> i couldnt move the mouse
[07:30] <victor__> and some of the hotkeys didnt work
[07:30] <victor__> like alt-tab
[07:31] <intelikey> victor__ if you have to kill it to crash it, aren't we running around in cycrles ?
[07:31] <victor__> im confused
[07:31] <victor__> ?
[07:31] <Red_Herring> intelikey: so you arent set to sudo are you
[07:31] <intelikey> it is crashing on you    normally ?
[07:31] <victor__> well
[07:32] <victor__> i changed the permissions on the et folder
[07:32] <intelikey> Red_Herring want to see my /etc/sudoers ?
[07:32] <victor__> so it should stop happening now
[07:32] <victor__> but what if in future
[07:32] <victor__> it crashes
[07:32] <Red_Herring> intelikey: sure
[07:32] <victor__> i want to be able to get out of it without rebooting
[07:32] <intelikey> # User privilege specification
[07:32] <intelikey> ALL     ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD :ALL
[07:33] <victor__> im trying out some linux games
[07:33] <Red_Herring> wtf?
[07:33] <Red_Herring> intelikey: you crazy mate?
[07:33] <victor__> and so far there ok
[07:33] <intelikey> victor__ alt+SysRQ+R  and  alt+tab
[07:33] <intelikey> Red_Herring no  why ?
[07:33] <intelikey> or maybe why ?
[07:33] <victor__> whats SysRQ?
[07:33] <intelikey> i guess so....  but why ?
[07:33] <victor__> the window key?
[07:34] <Red_Herring> hahaha
[07:34] <Red_Herring> dont use sysrq
[07:34] <intelikey> victor__ normally found with [print-screen] 
[07:34] <Red_Herring> intelikey: thats insanely insecure
[07:34] <victor__> OH
[07:34] <intelikey> Red_Herring i don't think so...
[07:34] <intelikey> and sysRQ+r   just resets the keyboard.
[07:34] <Red_Herring> that anyone can do any root command at all on your system for no password?
[07:35] <intelikey> Red_Herring did you not see the error...  and did you not hear that i couldn't use su* ?
[07:35] <Red_Herring> didja edit it with visudo?
[07:35] <victor__> umm
[07:35] <Red_Herring> and have you enabled su
[07:36] <intelikey> yea visudo    enable ?   i have no passwords...
[07:36] <victor__> any root command with any user without a password
[07:36] <victor__> your just asking for trouble
[07:36] <victor__> like the time i accidently overwrote some libs with older versions
[07:36] <intelikey> victor__ hehhe i don't think so.
[07:36] <victor__> i couldn't even use some basic commands
[07:36] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  sudo su -
[07:36] <intelikey> sudo: must be setuid root
[07:36] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~] 
[07:37] <victor__> is there a way to reset X?
[07:37] <intelikey> don't look dangerous to me...
[07:37] <Red_Herring> intelikey: boot in single user mode
[07:37] <Red_Herring> and run passwd root
[07:37] <Red_Herring> make a password
[07:37] <Red_Herring> and then reboot back in normal mode
[07:37] <intelikey> Red_Herring what for ?    no need to reboot for all that... that's what the root console is for.
[07:38] <intelikey> what shall i set the root passwd ?  how about   x
[07:38] <intelikey> ok the root passwd is now   x
[07:38] <Red_Herring> that works
[07:38] <Red_Herring> x
[07:38] <intelikey> now what ?
[07:38] <Red_Herring> umm
[07:38] <Red_Herring> run su
[07:38] <LaserJock> anybody know if it's possible to add a "drawer" to the panel?
[07:39] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  su
[07:39] <intelikey> Password:
[07:39] <intelikey> Chousuke: Authentication failure
[07:39] <dbglt_> can anyone here recommend some nice looking fonts for a laptop screen?
[07:39] <intelikey> and yes i did type    x    correctly.
[07:39] <Red_Herring> LaserJock: kde or gnome =p
[07:39] <dbglt_> I used arial a lot on my desktop, but for some odd reason, doesn't look as good on the laptop
[07:39] <Red_Herring> dbglt_: deja vu
[07:40] <LaserJock> Red_Herring: kde, or I would have asked in #ubuntu ;-)
[07:40] <Red_Herring> intelikey: k i dunno wtf you did but i got no idea
[07:40] <intelikey> i mounted the system  "nosuid"  :)
[07:40] <Jucato> LaserJock: no drawers. but there's a Quick Launcher applet
[07:41] <intelikey>  /dev/root on / type ext2 (rw,nosuid,nogrpid)
[07:41] <Jucato> LaserJock: or a "hack": make a directory/folder that contains .desktop files for the programs that you want, then use the Quick FIle Browser applet and point to that directory.
[07:42] <LaserJock> Jucato: Quick Launcher will probably work, just wanted to have a few often used apps without taking so much space on the pnel
[07:42] <LaserJock> panel
[07:43] <Jucato> LaserJock: kool. have fun :)
[07:44] <LaserJock> Jucato: trying, I'm usually a gnome guy but I periodically check the Kubuntu side out :-)
[07:44] <intelikey> Red_Herring so with 'nosuid' and no passwds all accounts locked   i have init open one root console for me on tty24  in case i want/need to do any admin things  like start a gui for example...
[07:44] <Jucato> LaserJock: have you tried Katapult for quick launching of apps? (unless you don't consider typing as a quick way :P )
[07:45] <intelikey> Red_Herring are you plumb mad at me yet ?
[07:45] <Mightily-Oats> hey all
[07:45] <intelikey> hey
[07:46] <Mightily-Oats> underdog5004: figured out how to change the default soundcard (or usb headphones)
[07:46] <intelikey> underdog5004 left about an hour ago....
[07:46] <Red_Herring> intelikey: not quite
[07:46] <Mightily-Oats> any one had experience with enemy territory and usb headphones.. or routing sound to another soundcard?
[07:47] <intelikey> should i mention another oddity Red_Herring ?
[07:47] <intelikey> :)
[07:47] <Red_Herring> go ahead
[07:47] <LaserJock> Jucato: oh yeah, I forgot about that. I'm a big QuickSilver fan in OS X
[07:48] <LaserJock> Jucato: how do I use katapult?
[07:48] <Jucato> LaserJock: press Alt+Space
[07:48] <intelikey> like /usr and /local being  symlinks to /   /sbin being a symlink to /bin    meaning all executables are in /bin ....
[07:49] <intelikey> not using 'alternatives' ....     not having /home or /root
[07:49] <LaserJock> Jucato: can you change Katapult settings somewhere?
[07:49] <LaserJock> Jucato: sorry for the silly questions
[07:50] <LaserJock> I should just go bug Hobbsee
[07:50] <Jucato> LaserJock: Katapult can have a systray icon for easy configs but someone hid it by default :P
[07:50] <Jucato> LaserJock: Alt+Space, Ctrl+C to bring up a pop menu
[07:51] <LaserJock> ah perfect
[07:51] <Jucato> nah it's ok. I answer silly questions too :P
[07:51] <intelikey> Red_Herring that's about all....    other than that and the fact that i reconfigured everything....   it's pretty much default.  :)
[07:51] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  mem
[07:51] <intelikey> Mem usage: 14/249 MB (5%)
[07:52] <N9NU-|-Linux> HI. I have one addition question. I am on ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/3.5.6/kubuntu/   and are looking for the 3.5.6 packages that have supposedly been uploaded, but all I have found were pool-edgy --- no Feisty folder
[07:52] <N9NU-|-Linux> am i looking in the wrong place
[07:52] <Jucato> N9NU-|-Linux: just simply dist-upgrade in feisty and you'll have 3.5.6
[07:52] <Jucato> no need to add a special repository
[07:53] <N9NU-|-Linux> ok.tnx. just getting used to doing the package thing upgade automatically is all
[07:53] <Sohrab81> hi guys
[07:53] <Sohrab81> I have a little q about beryl
[07:53] <Jucato> !beryl | Sohrab81
[07:53] <ubotu> Sohrab81: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:53] <poland-bot> Title: The Beryl Project Index page (at forum.beryl-project.org)
[07:53] <Sohrab81> although it is general'
[07:53] <Sohrab81> I know
[07:54] <abattoir> there's a new bot?
[07:54] <Jucato> hm..
[07:54] <Sohrab81>  but I just installed beryl from svn
[07:54] <Sohrab81> and I like to uninstall it
[07:54] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: wha'ts htis now?
[07:54] <Sohrab81> how?
[07:54] <Jucato> Sohrab81: how did you install it? compiled?
[07:54] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: just bugging people here
[07:54] <Hobbsee> poland: please get rid of your bot.
[07:54] <Sohrab81> yeah
[07:54] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: got kubuntu-desktop installed
[07:54] <Sohrab81> the makeall script
[07:54] <intelikey> !stats
[07:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about stats - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:55] <poland-bot> Title: Ubotu factoids (at bots.ubuntulinux.nl)
[07:55] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: nice
[07:55] <Hobbsee> Jucato: poland
[07:55] <Sohrab81> the make uninstall dows not work
[07:55] <intelikey> foxtrot@wnpgmb01dc2-108-101.dynamic.mts.net
[07:56] <Jucato> Sohrab81: if it's from a script, then it probably has an uninstall command. but it's not a "general question" because it's a script from Beryl. might want to ask in #beryl about it
[07:56] <Jucato> tsk tsk.. poland...
[07:56] <Sohrab81> ok
[07:56] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: kmail is pretty darn cool
[07:56] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yes, assuming you're not using imap :)
[07:56] <Sohrab81> Jucato thanks anyway
[07:56] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: I am, and it's still better than evo
[07:57] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: :)
[07:57] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: maybe not as good as Thunderbird, but decent
[07:57] <intelikey> didn't take much did it ?
[07:57] <intelikey> to be better than evo....
[07:58] <intelikey> !info kmail
[07:58] <ubotu> kmail: KDE Email client. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.5-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 2174 kB, installed size 6724 kB
[07:58] <LaserJock> yeah, I used evo all of like 5 min. I think
[07:58] <LaserJock> it ate my IMAP setup and I never looked back
[07:58] <intelikey> thunderbird it 50m installed  or something like that and kmail is 7
[07:59] <Mightily-Oats> is there any way to disable a sound card so everything has to go through a different one?
[07:59] <intelikey> maybe it was 30   i forget
[07:59] <intelikey> !sound
[07:59] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[07:59] <intelikey> did you look there ^
[07:59] <unix_infidel> Mightily-Oats: a simple way to is to just remove the kernel module drivers.
[08:00] <unix_infidel> admittedly not the best way.
[08:00] <intelikey> crude but affective.
[08:00] <Mightily-Oats> intelikey: thanks... been googling everything i can think of
[08:00] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: it's got a rather nasty bug with selecting imap mails, i'm afraid
[08:01] <intelikey> Mightily-Oats i'm not positive it's on those  but i think it is.
[08:01] <Mightily-Oats> unix_infidel: thanks but thats a bit too much.. i need both.. but just the ability to turn one off
[08:02] <unix_infidel> Mightily-Oats: that's what it'll do in essence.
[08:02] <unix_infidel> whenever you need access to it again, just modprobe the correct module and it'll be on in less than a second.
[08:02] <intelikey> and most apps have the ability to select the output    asound and alsa are your friends.
[08:02] <unix_infidel> i'd guess that's how "Disable" on windows works, unless its using some abstract hardware abstraction layer.
[08:03] <crazy_bus> My ext3 and ext3 mounted as ext2 filesystems have being losing files on me.  What can I do?
[08:03] <Mightily-Oats> unix_infidel: oh... that might work.. how do i disable a module?
[08:03] <Mightily-Oats> and i guess.. re enable it?
[08:03] <intelikey> crazy_bus mounted as ext2 it's still loosing data ?
[08:03] <crazy_bus> yep
[08:03] <intelikey> eeeek
[08:03] <unix_infidel> modprobe -r [module]  to "disable" modprobe [module]  to "enable"
[08:04] <Mightily-Oats> intelikey: i used alsoconf.. it works for some things.. but others still default to the first card
[08:04] <intelikey> Mightily-Oats yes thats why i mentioned the app specific settings.
[08:06] <intelikey> crazy_bus as heep mo' betta' n' good.  is to things that never fail to preform flawlessly,   that's  worser than awfulest...
[08:06] <Mightily-Oats> intelikey: i cant figure out the settings for some of the apps... but thanks
[08:07] <Mightily-Oats> unix_infidel: if my cards an intel soundcard would the module to disable be snd_hda_intel?
[08:07] <intelikey> Mightily-Oats np.   and the docs do mention using asound-conf or something to turn one card off   iirc.
[08:07] <unix_infidel> Mightily-Oats: if you want to do it with modprobe, yes if that's your module for your sound card.
[08:07] <unix_infidel> i would recommend doing it intelikey's way though.
[08:08] <intelikey> Mightily-Oats and   lsmod   lists modules that are inserted.... but you knew that.
[08:08] <Mightily-Oats> intelikey: yep.. thanks
[08:08] <crazy_bus> intelikey: can you explain what you said to me?
[08:08] <intelikey> cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:09] <Mightily-Oats> i think id better explain better whats happening... ive been given a logitech usb headset and from what ive seen. it adds itself as a second soundcard
[08:09] <intelikey> crazy_bus just that i feel for you. man.   i just can't reach you.
[08:10] <Mightily-Oats> which means i have to change the default card... i used alsaconf to do this and it works on some apps... but in testing everything i tried enemy territory and it wouldnt hold to the alsaconf setting
[08:10] <intelikey> Mightily-Oats the cat command will reveal the module  i think.
[08:10] <intelikey> cat /proc/asound/cards
[08:11] <Mightily-Oats> intelikey: that shows me the cards installed
[08:11] <smaggard> hey
[08:11] <Mightily-Oats> both the headset and normal card are listed
[08:11] <intelikey> and module names ?
[08:12] <Phlosten> does anyone know if kmail has a better way of filtering imap messages? atm it downloads each and every new message before it moves it, very slow
[08:12] <intelikey> minus snd-  of course.
[08:12] <madbox> how do i install beryl on kubuntu?
[08:12] <Mightily-Oats> didnt doesnt look like it
[08:12] <smaggard> can i like integrate amarok into my taskbar?
[08:12] <intelikey> !beryl | madbox
[08:12] <ubotu> madbox: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[08:12] <madbox> thx, problem though, do I read the ubuntu one..
[08:12] <madbox> also, I have just been confused because I tried installing it on my Ubuntu system but it never worked
[08:13] <intelikey> smaggard does hitting the upper left [X]   not do that ?
[08:13] <madbox> and now that I got kubuntu, and because it doesnt have XGL idk what to do..
[08:13] <smaggard> no i mean like be able to see whats playing and stuff still
[08:13] <smaggard> but yeah right now it will minimize to just the taskbar next to the clock and have just an icon which is ok i guess
[08:13] <intelikey> madbox that's what the  Help in #ubuntu-effects   part is about.
[08:14] <smaggard> its ok if it cant be done its not that big a deal
[08:14] <Mightily-Oats> thanks all... ill leave this sound prob and come back a bit later.. my heads about to explode
[08:14] <intelikey> smaggard you should be able to see what's playing by hovering the mouse on it...
[08:14] <intelikey> ?
[08:15] <smaggard> yeh i know but i thought i saw some desktops with like a mini view of amarok in the taskbar
[08:15] <smaggard> and also the controls
[08:15] <madbox> thx intelikey
[08:15] <intelikey> Mightily-Oats if you catch crimsun around   i think he's the alsa guru...
[08:15] <intelikey> oooops too late.
[08:16] <crazy_bus> intelikey: got any suggestions on what I should do?  Install dapper-drake (keep in mind that my system wasn't deleting files until two weeks ago and I've had edgy installed since launch), get a new harddrive?  Use a different filesystem?
[08:16] <intelikey> madbox np  yw
[08:17] <intelikey> crazy_bus i'd really take a long hard look at that hd.   it's not that the kernel 'can't' do that to you.  it just that it's exscreemly rare.   like hen's teeth chicken's lips or snake hips...
[08:18] <intelikey> all three are pretty rare...
[08:18] <crazy_bus> how do I take a look at the harddrive?  I've done fsck, and fsck -c
[08:18] <draik> Anyone here recommend a good session recorder? Istanbul is a bunch of bull
[08:19] <intelikey> crazy_bus backup anything on it you want to keep and badblocks -w   that drive.  not a partition the whole drive.    not -w write mode is data destructive... it will need to run all night probably.  it will make maybe three passes over the whole drive...
[08:21] <intelikey> crazy_bus from a liveCD of course.    badblocks -wp 5 /dev/hda    or sda  or what ever it is.     you might find the problem that way.  and if not you will know for sure that it's not hardware.
[08:22] <crazy_bus> intelikey: how do you use the badblocks command?  I typed badblock /pathofharddrive but it wouldn't work
[08:22] <intelikey> just like i typed it ^
[08:22] <intelikey> sudo it.
[08:22] <intelikey> sudo badblocks -wp /dev/hda
[08:23] <intelikey> assuming hda for the disk address...
[08:23] <intelikey> sudo badblocks -wp 5 /dev/hda
[08:23] <intelikey> forgot the number... it's getting late.
[08:23] <crazy_bus> do I type -wp or -wp 5?
[08:23] <intelikey> and on that note.  -wp 5
[08:23] <XenThraL> is there a command that sets up all the default options back in the OS?
[08:24] <crazy_bus> can you do the badblocks command on the kubuntu livecd or is there a better way?
[08:26] <crazy_bus> bye I'll log out into the knoppix livecd now
[08:26] <intelikey> XenThraL find ~/ -type d -exec rm -fr '{}' \; ;find ~/ -type f ! -name .bash* -exec rm '{}' \;
[08:27] <XenThraL> ...is that rtfm ?
[08:27] <intelikey> that's everything that the user has set.  system settings would be more dificult.    note that will also remove files in your home dir.   you said all back to default   i took you literally.
[08:28] <XenThraL> think a fresh install would be better then
[08:28] <intelikey> if you didn't want an empty home dir you should say so.
[08:28] <XenThraL> urgh, its so annoying setting up firefox though
[08:28] <XenThraL> and, reinstalling everything
[08:29] <XenThraL> screw it, I'll just format
[08:29] <madbox> Please enter the installation path of the Mozilla, SeaMonkey,
[08:29] <madbox> or Firefox browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla
[08:29] <madbox> dir= /usr/lib/mozilla
[08:29] <madbox> WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path.
[08:29] <intelikey> you can check out of the gui and do rm -fr ~/.kde    and reset most things
[08:29] <madbox> any ideas
[08:30] <intelikey> is it there ?
[08:30] <intelikey> madbox and i don't think you can use a space without a quote
[08:30] <intelikey> dir=/usr/lib/mozilla
[08:30] <intelikey> dir=" /usr/lib/mozilla"  <<< that would work too.
[08:31] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  win= bob
[08:31] <intelikey> bash: ./bob: Permission denied
[08:32] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  win=" bob"
[08:32] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  echo $win
[08:32] <intelikey> bob
[08:32] <intelikey> see    ^
[08:32] <intelikey> Q= ls
[08:32] <intelikey> there is a good test for that  ^
[08:33] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  echo $Q
[08:33] <intelikey> Q=" ls"
[08:33] <intelikey> tty2 [greg@~]  echo $Q
[08:33] <intelikey> ls
[08:33] <phobiac> When I run a game in dosbox, after it starts and I click on the screen it grabs my mouse. Is there anyway to stop dosbox from grabbing the mouse?
[08:33] <intelikey> phobiac in the configs   iirc.
[08:34] <intelikey> in the dosbox  configs
[08:36] <shriram> has anyone setup an ATI mobility radeon x1300 successfully here?
[08:37] <madbox> so whats great about kubuntu compared to ubuntu?
[08:37] <madbox> yes, its my first day on linux
[08:38] <Veric> Mmm...Netsplits, fun.
[08:38] <Veric> I have a Kubuntu related question...Sort of O_o think anyone can help?
[08:41] <hyper_ch> Veric: just ask :)
[08:43] <Veric> Well, I've heard it was possible to play WoW via WINE, does anyone know how this is possible?
[08:44] <Veric> (I'm really new to Kubuntu, so please excuse my lack of understanding of the extremely technical Linux-related terms...)
[08:44] <hyper_ch> Veric: try http://www.ubuntuforums.org --> I think there is a howto for wine
[08:44] <hyper_ch> Veric: I mean for wine and wow
[08:45] <Jucato> there's also a #winehq channel
[08:45] <aliasgherman> Please help me resolving a strange and interesting problem
[08:45] <aliasgherman> It is regarding SFTP
[08:45] <aliasgherman> when I connect to a computer via ssh or sftp command it works fine
[08:46] <aliasgherman> But when I use the GUI interface then
[08:46] <aliasgherman> SFTP says that it cannot communicate to ssh
[08:46] <aliasgherman> please tell me how to resolve that issue
[08:46] <Jucato> aliasgherman: sftp:/ in Konqueror?
[08:47] <hyper_ch> aliasgherman: tried sftp in KFTPGrabber ?
[08:48] <aliasgherman> I tried
[08:49] <aliasgherman> SFP by pressing Alt+  F2 keys
[08:49] <aliasgherman> (RUN COMMAND)
[08:49] <aliasgherman> Also tried it in konquerer
[08:49] <aliasgherman> but it says (Error Talking to SSH)
[08:49] <aliasgherman> Now I always have to use SCP command to transfer files
[08:50] <Jucato> how about fish:/ in Konqueror?
[08:50] <aliasgherman> I donot know about fish? Please tell me its syntax
[08:51] <Jucato> same way you use other kioslaves, like sftp:/
[08:51] <Jucato> (afaik)
[08:51] <aliasgherman> Wait I am trying to do this
[08:51] <underdog5004> fish //ipaddress/path/to/folder
[08:52] <underdog5004> fish://
[08:52] <underdog5004> lol
[08:52] <underdog5004> aliasgherman, fish://ipaddress/path/to/folder
[08:52] <underdog5004> just so you know
[08:53] <aliasgherman> Thankyou very much
[08:53] <aliasgherman> it is working
[08:53] <aliasgherman> and by the way.
[08:54] <Jucato> fish:// worked?
[08:54] <aliasgherman>  SFTP is working in Konquerer. But not working via RUN Command !
[08:54] <Jucato> oh...
[08:54] <Jucato> :)
[08:54] <Jucato> it's not a command, although I think it should have opened in Konqueror if run that way
[08:54] <underdog5004> lol
[08:54] <aliasgherman> Yes ! Fish swims great :)
[08:54] <underdog5004> aliasgherman, just discovered fish the other day...it's so cool
[08:54] <underdog5004> like ftp, but easier
[08:55] <Jucato> sftp:/ and fish:/ both use SSH, afaik.
[08:55] <aliasgherman> Now my second question follows
[08:55] <Jucato> I just don't know the exact diff
[08:56] <aliasgherman> When I tried to login into the PC (Kubuntu 6.10)
[08:56] <ForgeAus> GRRRR I am SOOO annoyed with my ISP
[08:56] <aliasgherman> I entered my password and Login
[08:56] <ForgeAus> getting disconnected in the middle of a download is NOT a good thing
[08:56] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, who you using?
[08:56] <aliasgherman> it accepted and then the monitor blinked
[08:56] <aliasgherman> and then the login screen was back .
[08:56] <dbglt> wget -c :p
[08:56] <aliasgherman> why is that so.
[08:56] <Jucato> ForgeAus: kget?
[08:56] <ForgeAus> just a private dude... he undercuts the cost for me
[08:57] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, oh yeah, I remember now
[08:57] <ForgeAus> kget was fine but sometimes theres downloads it doesn't detect the size of and stuff... so instead of resuming it restarts
[08:57] <ForgeAus> but I'm not sure resuming is a good idea either
[08:57] <ForgeAus> see with thi sISP he uses a "mikrotik?" or something box that has a web-based login...
[08:58] <ForgeAus> and even when I'm using IRC any interent request returns a html page
[08:58] <ForgeAus> It hink the html page (small as it may be) is corrupting my downloads
[08:58] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, what kind of speeds are you getting?
[08:58] <ForgeAus> its only equiv to a 256 k connection but thats all I asked for/wanted
[08:59] <ForgeAus> I'm more concerned about stability than speed
[08:59] <underdog5004> I get that
[08:59] <ForgeAus> plus more speed means I fill up my hard drives quicker! lol
[09:00] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, that's when you hit target for 20 dollar 200 gig hard drives...
[09:00] <ubuntu> hey all
[09:00] <aliasgherman> When I login to Kubuntu. The login screen vanishes and then reappers. How to solve this ?
[09:00] <underdog5004> of course...they fail in a few months....
[09:00] <ForgeAus> I already have 2 160 gig drives
[09:01] <ForgeAus> I've had these for a long itme now
[09:01] <ForgeAus> I always buy good quality hard drives
[09:01] <flo> what does this line nmi_watchdog=0 should do in the grub menu.list? what does'it meen?
[09:01] <underdog5004> lol, Seagates, right? I love seagate...and WD...Maxtor sucks
[09:01] <ForgeAus> (not sure exactly how I managed that but I was willing to pay and got good ones)
[09:01] <ForgeAus> yeah seagate...
[09:01] <ForgeAus> I defaulted to them after Quantum Fireballs
[09:02] <ForgeAus> in fact I even have a drive in my PC I can't even use!
[09:02] <ForgeAus> (due to sata compatibility mode)
[09:02] <underdog5004> Fireballs live up to their name...
[09:02] <ForgeAus> (I can either have primary IDE, + secondary IDE  or sata + 1 IDE or sata + other IDE.... but not all 3)
[09:03] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, that's lame...
[09:03] <ForgeAus> and since I'm dualbooting in 98 I need that compatibility mode
[09:03] <underdog5004> omg...98? why!?!
[09:03] <ForgeAus> hehe its ok just that I have one more IDE drive than my os's/bios can handle
[09:03] <ForgeAus> because I want to
[09:03] <underdog5004> but...98?!?
[09:03] <Lynoure> underdog5004: Games is a common reason
[09:03] <ForgeAus> whats wrong with it?
[09:03] <underdog5004> XP is better than that!
[09:03] <ForgeAus> works fine
[09:03] <aliasgherman> Please consider this problem too.
[09:03] <aliasgherman> When I login to Kubuntu. The login screen vanishes and then reappers. How to solve this ?
[09:03] <ForgeAus> yes I have XP but my XP is broken right now
[09:04] <ForgeAus> (98 is my fallback)
[09:04] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, sucks
[09:04] <underdog5004> I mean, that sucks
[09:04] <ForgeAus> alias.. I have had that problem too
[09:04] <ForgeAus> in a virtual machine tho
[09:04] <underdog5004> aliasgherman, I don't know. I can't help you.
[09:04] <ForgeAus> it may mean your drive's full
[09:04] <ForgeAus> or it could be some other problem that I don't know about
[09:05] <aliasgherman> OK, there is a hint. When i run the command users in console. it returns me User User. (Two User with the same name). Can this be linked ?
[09:05] <underdog5004> despite everyone's best assurances, I still believe that linux (kubuntu in my case) is still pretty buggy...
[09:06] <ForgeAus> Lynoure in my case its actually suprising games isn't the reason
[09:06] <ForgeAus> I rarely use the 98 drive but it feels like a safety blanket...
[09:06] <ForgeAus> so I'm happy its there
[09:06] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, I use a DSL cd as a safety net...
[09:06] <underdog5004> !dsl
[09:06] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[09:07] <underdog5004> whoops...I meant Damn Small Linux
[09:07] <tanlaan> anyone know of a script to change a fresh install of kubuntu into a fresh install of ubuntu? *it will be faster than downloading the iso of ubuntu, and i already have kubuntu*
[09:07] <aliasgherman> Well, if you talk about bugs. Then I have seen that usually right clicking a .odt file on the Desktop crashes the system. We have the same problem on four PCs in our office
[09:07] <ForgeAus> lol yeah I got that too
[09:07] <tanlaan> im expecting there to be like a shell script to do so
[09:07] <ForgeAus> and RIP linux
[09:07] <ForgeAus> and some other recovery/rescue CD
[09:07] <underdog5004> I love linux liveCD's
[09:07] <ForgeAus> me 2
[09:07] <ForgeAus> I tried last night to get PXE up and running
[09:08] <underdog5004> pxe? Is that network booting?
[09:08] <underdog5004> Pre eXecution Environment?
[09:09] <ForgeAus> yes
[09:10] <ForgeAus> (sorry got distracted I had a phone call)
[09:11] <ForgeAus> yeah but the DHCP messed up my DHCP client address
[09:11] <underdog5004> what?! real life is more important than your online friends? you need to re-evaluate your priorities!
[09:11] <ForgeAus> so it kinda killed my internet... (till I uninstalle the server)
[09:11] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, that sucks
[09:11] <ForgeAus> rofl underdog
[09:11] <ForgeAus> maybe I need a DHCP relay instead... but what I really need is to understand the options better
[09:12] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, I generally have a konsole up on my desktop, but sometimes I close it...but when I do, I need it within 5 minutes...lol
[09:12] <ForgeAus> theres a PXE channel anyway
[09:12] <ForgeAus> rofl same
[09:12] <ForgeAus> I have to get used to running apps with a & on the end so I don't need to open new instances of the shell
[09:12] <underdog5004> I just don't get how people can work w/o a gui...even if just for pics on the interwebs...
[09:13] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, does & pipe it to the background?
[09:13] <ForgeAus> um I think & kinda is like a task switcher
[09:13] <underdog5004> s/pipe/fork
[09:13] <ForgeAus> something liket that not entirely sure
[09:14] <ForgeAus> it lets you continue using the console while the app runs along with it
[09:14] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, I see
[09:14] <underdog5004> very usefull
[09:14] <ForgeAus> (normally its a gui app you run with the & but can be others
[09:14] <ForgeAus> yeah
[09:14] <underdog5004> but how to get back to it?
[09:14] <ForgeAus> although some come up with messages during your console session
[09:14] <ForgeAus> that much I aren't sure of
[09:14] <underdog5004> nice
[09:14] <ForgeAus> I think I saw someone do it a long time back at uni
[09:15] <ForgeAus> so there is a way I'm pretty sure
[09:15] <underdog5004> I have to use killall to stop process like that...lol
[09:15] <ForgeAus> I just don't know how
[09:15] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, I prefer screen
[09:15] <ForgeAus> lol well you on'y put things there that you want to stay running
[09:15] <underdog5004> an old unix proggie, but very nice
[09:15] <tanlaan> i know i can us "sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop" *somthing like that* to get something similar to ubuntu, but i want my computer to be identical to a fresh ubuntu install
[09:15] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, I use screen to keep rtorrent running on my server
[09:15] <ForgeAus> and if it eats up your console for a gui app its better to & it so you don't need to keep the console open/or can use it for other things
[09:16] <ForgeAus> I don't think I got rtorrent
[09:16] <underdog5004> tanlaan, sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get remove --purge kubuntu-desktop
[09:16] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, in what fashion?
[09:16] <tanlaan> thank you
[09:16] <ForgeAus> well if you run something.. say kdesu kate
[09:16] <ForgeAus> you don't get a prompt back in your console
[09:17] <ForgeAus> it just runs until you quit the kate app
[09:17] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, right....
[09:17] <ForgeAus> but if you use &
[09:17] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, no, I meant what didn't you get about rtorrent?
[09:17] <ForgeAus> no I meant I don't have that software not that I don't get it
[09:17] <ForgeAus> its obviously a bittorrent client or something of the sort
[09:17] <Jucato> ForgeAus: strangely enough, some apps continue on running now...
[09:18] <Jucato> if you launch them from the CLI without &
[09:18] <underdog5004> !rtorrent | ForgeAus
[09:18] <ubotu> forgeaus: rtorrent: ncurses BitTorrent client based on LibTorrent. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.3-1 (edgy), package size 232 kB, installed size 636 kB
[09:18] <ForgeAus> Jucato I still get messages sometimes from some even with them running
[09:18] <underdog5004> !ncurses
[09:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ncurses - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:18] <Jucato> ForgeAus: weird... what KDE version?
[09:19] <ForgeAus> edgy with kde 3.5.x (not sure which x)
[09:19] <Jucato> unless you added the repo from Kubuntu.org, that would be 3.5.5
[09:19] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, ncurses is a tui (text user interface). It's a compromise between gui and cli
[09:19] <ForgeAus> ahh .6
[09:19] <ForgeAus> 3.5.6
[09:20] <underdog5004> I've got 3.5.6
[09:20] <ForgeAus> yeah I added lotsa repos.. but removed lots 2
[09:20] <Jucato> well I still get some messages, but if I hit Ctrl+C in CLI or close Konsole, the app still runs
[09:20] <Jucato> at least for some
[09:20] <ForgeAus> control C? ... I thought that was meant to quit the app
[09:20] <Jucato> some just close
[09:21] <ForgeAus> Id rather not do that
[09:21] <Jucato> that's what I meant
[09:21] <ForgeAus> seems like some kinda discontinuity between cli and gui
[09:21] <underdog5004> I do killall process_name
[09:21] <ForgeAus> why kill all processes?
[09:22] <ForgeAus> oh the name
[09:22] <ForgeAus> if you know the process name thats kewl
[09:22] <ForgeAus> or the PID
[09:22] <ForgeAus> kill is ok I guess but I'd prefer to quit them in the gui if they're gui apps
[09:22] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, and you can get that from top
[09:22] <ForgeAus> that way cleanly gets you back to the prompt
[09:23] <ForgeAus> as for cli/curses apps I don't know how to switch back to them
[09:23] <tearlow_> Anyone with exceprience with NSF (Nintendo Sound File) that might be able to assist with Amarok?
[09:23] <ForgeAus> NSF? um I  heard of SPC for super nintendo
[09:23] <underdog5004> I was referring to cli apps
[09:23] <ForgeAus> which console is NSF? gamecube?
[09:23] <ForgeAus> NES?
[09:23] <tearlow_> NES 8bit ;-)
[09:23] <XenThraL> whats the name of the module Monitor & Display in the universe?
[09:23] <XenThraL> says it can't load it
[09:24] <ForgeAus> IC
[09:24] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, I do screen, then the process, then I can exit the term and they'll keep running...to get back, I just type in screen -r
[09:24] <underdog5004> good stuff
[09:24] <ForgeAus> interesting underdog
[09:24] <ForgeAus> whats control Z do?
[09:24] <underdog5004> pauses, I think
[09:25] <triker> #kubuntu-es
[09:25] <underdog5004> !screen
[09:25] <ubotu> screen is a terminal multiplexer. See http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2004/3/9/16838/14935 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Screen
[09:26] <ForgeAus> how do you "switch out" of an app like pico?
[09:26] <tearlow_> While using .xine the files sounds as they should but way too aplified it's like you've blown a speak but the mixer settings set alright...
[09:26] <ForgeAus> you can quit it but can you multitask it?
[09:26] <ForgeAus> you could have multiple console sessions open thats one way to multitask with it
[09:27] <ForgeAus> (ok sorry I should say nano)
[09:27] <underdog5004> !nano
[09:27] <ubotu> Text Editors: gedit (GNOME), Kate (KDE), mousepad (Xfce4) | Terminal-based editors: vi/vim, emacs, and nano (user-friendly). | HTML/CSS editors: !html | Programming: !code
[09:28] <ForgeAus> gedit seems pretty generic to me
[09:28] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, I believe you can give each screen a name, then recall that name w/ -r... but I'm not sure...never needed to...
[09:28] <Jucato> at first glance, it seems so. but it's *almost* as powerful as kate
[09:29] <XenThraL> !code
[09:29] <ubotu> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida
[09:29] <ForgeAus> Jucato just in different areas?
[09:29] <ForgeAus> I like Kdevelop
[09:29] <Jucato> ForgeAus: yeah. Kate is still more advanced, not to mention more widely used
[09:29] <ForgeAus> eclipse is big but its good
[09:29] <XenThraL> Code::blocks is great
[09:29] <ForgeAus> pida I don't know anythinga bout
[09:29] <Jucato> (kate kpart is used in more areas than one)
[09:30] <XenThraL> can anyone tell me the monitor & display module?
[09:30] <ForgeAus> vim (so I guess by default gvim) are popular like emacs...
[09:30] <XenThraL> think I somehow uninstalled it
[09:30] <underdog5004> I like vim
[09:30] <Jucato> XenThraL: kde-guidance
[09:30] <underdog5004> much more intuitive that vi
[09:30] <Jucato> XenThraL: sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-guidance
[09:30] <ForgeAus> but personally I hate any editor that you can't type and delete, etc without switching modes...
[09:30] <XenThraL> thank you Jucato
[09:30] <FringeJacket> underdog5004: thanks for helping me before, I got it loaded
[09:30] <ForgeAus> with a gui involved I'm not sure how that changes things, I've never really tried them in gui
[09:30] <XenThraL> seems my major problem with linux is
[09:31] <XenThraL> I keep breaking it
[09:31] <ForgeAus> Xen, I have had that trouble too
[09:31] <ForgeAus> Adept seems to help tho
[09:31] <XenThraL> I get very little done
[09:31] <XenThraL> I mostly just sit around and fidget until it breaks
[09:31] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, awesome!
[09:31] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, what did you have to do?
[09:31] <XenThraL> then i gotta do a fresh install
[09:31] <XenThraL> this is my 4th kubuntu
[09:31] <XenThraL> :/
[09:32] <ForgeAus> Xen not necessarily but a fresh install is an easy way to fix
[09:32] <XenThraL> eh, I tend to do those a lot
[09:32] <ForgeAus> me personally I found I learnt more about it if I didn't start fresh
[09:32] <XenThraL> coming from windows
[09:32] <ForgeAus> but I needed lotsa help (like from here) to do so
[09:32] <notech> sounds like a windows theory
[09:32] <XenThraL> long time windows user, just recently adapting to linux
[09:33] <Jucato> more like a windows habit :)
[09:33] <ForgeAus> yeah same Xen
[09:33] <Jucato> time to slowly get rid of those :)
[09:33] <XenThraL> and not adapting as much as looking at my problems with a hammer and seeing a bunch of nails
[09:33] <ForgeAus> i never had the habit of fresh installing under windows either
[09:33] <XenThraL> ok, I just reinstalled kguidance
[09:33] <ForgeAus> but then I had more of an idea what I was doing in windows... more used to it
[09:33] <XenThraL> can I just ctrl+alt+backspace ?
[09:33] <FringeJacket> underdog5004: I downloaded the whole thing again, and it fixed the one mistake
[09:33] <FringeJacket> it was missing spellchecker
[09:33] <ForgeAus> you can if you want to log in again
[09:34] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, yay!
[09:34] <XenThraL> oh well, here it goes
[09:34] <ForgeAus> or logout from the kmenu
[09:34] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, so, how do you like linux so far?
[09:36] <FringeJacket> underdog5004: I checked my log files and I saw that it had an error in it at in regaurds to spellcheckr, and it got fixed
[09:36] <ForgeAus> wb Xen
[09:36] <XenThraL> worked, thanks again Jucato
[09:36] <FringeJacket> underdog5004: Red_Herring got me hooked, I would've never known the issue wuth xp
[09:36] <Jucato> XenThraL: you're welcome
[09:37] <underdog5004> welcome to the revolution, FringeJacket
[09:37] <FringeJacket> underdog5004: I'm Katie btw, thanks again for your help
[09:37] <underdog5004> whoa...a girl!?! Using Linux?!?
[09:37] <underdog5004> ok, I know, that's an old joke...my gf uses linux (I got her hooked)
[09:38] <ForgeAus> lol underdog
[09:38] <underdog5004> FringeJacket, remember, you just gotta stick w/ it!
[09:38] <KatieS> a girl, a cs new major
[09:38] <underdog5004> cs == computer science?
[09:39] <KatieS> I'm sure there's a few girls in here right?
[09:39] <crimsun> sure. One of the core Kubuntu devs is a "she", too.
[09:39] <KatieS> yup
[09:40] <dbglt> "she"
[09:40] <dbglt> cute.
[09:40] <underdog5004> KatieS, the main secret to using this channel effectively is not even _hinting_ that there is anything feminine about you, otherwise you get pm'ed all over the place to cyber...lol
[09:40] <Jucato> there are some who drop by once in a while
[09:40] <Jucato> actually, the Kubuntu Community Manager is a girl
[09:40] <crimsun> yes, that would be the one I'm referring to ;)
[09:40] <Jucato> :P
[09:41] <crimsun> Sarah and her stick of doom
[09:41] <Jucato> too bad she ain't here :P
[09:41] <ForgeAus> probably too busy to IRC
[09:41] <KatieS> I thought so, I mean I know I'm a bit odd but still
[09:41] <XenThraL> can someone say 'xen' real quick please?
[09:41] <Jucato> nah
[09:41] <XenThraL> (just to test highlight)
[09:41] <underdog5004> xen
[09:41] <XenThraL> thanks
[09:41] <underdog5004> XenThraL,
[09:41] <Jucato> it's almost 8pm over there
[09:41] <Jucato> xen ?
[09:42] <XenThraL> done, thanks
[09:42] <KatieS> underdog5004: I don't do much like a girl... I work on cars and work in the carpenter's shop
[09:43] <underdog5004> nice
[09:43] <Jucato> yeah! a girl who knows how to get the job done :)
[09:43] <underdog5004> I don't do much like a boy...I sit at my computer and kiss my gf...that's about it for my masculinity...
[09:43] <underdog5004> I have a feeling my facial hair is gonna come in any day now
[09:44] <underdog5004> so...on that happy note...
[09:44] <Jucato> by any chance, does anyone know if the Ubuntu's Human icon theme have a blue version for KDE?
[09:44] <KatieS> underdog5004: now if Icould only fix the fact that I have to use my stupid cell phone I'll be happy
[09:45] <underdog5004> what's wrong w/ skype (besides the non-portability?
[09:45] <KatieS> underdog5004: how old are you?!?!?
[09:45] <underdog5004> )
[09:45] <underdog5004> 18
[09:45] <underdog5004> hee hee hee
[09:46] <KatieS> Jucato: yup, I'm aunique girl that way
[09:47] <KatieS> underdog5004: youmake me feel oooooooooold... and I do one thing here and there to make me girly,
[09:48] <KatieS> underdog5004: but nevr cyber.
[09:48] <ForgeAus> um Jucato I think there is one
[09:48] <dbglt> I feel as if I have just walked into an AOL chat room.
[09:48] <XenThraL> unique?
[09:48] <ForgeAus> blubuntu would have one
[09:48] <XenThraL> think thats butcher then car repair :p
[09:48] <ForgeAus> but I don't think you can change gnome apps' icon theme in kde
[09:48] <Jucato> ForgeAus: there's a Human Azul, but none for KDE it seems
[09:49] <KatieS> underdog5004: I meant connecting through my cell phone... gprs style
[09:49] <underdog5004> gprs? like a cell phone modem?
[09:49] <ForgeAus> how about tango?
[09:49] <Jucato> er.. no thanks :)
[09:50] <ForgeAus> no tangerine tango
[09:50] <XenThraL> I have a pretty specific problem
[09:50] <XenThraL> uh
[09:50] <XenThraL> I registered an extension, .cbp
[09:50] <XenThraL> code blocks project
[09:50] <XenThraL> thing is, when I click on the file
[09:50] <XenThraL> it opens a new instance of code blocks
[09:50] <KatieS> underdog5004: yeah, not like calling on a cellphone... cell phone modem
[09:50] <Jucato> ForgeAus: the Tango icons in KDE-Look is a bit of a bother to install, from the looks of it
[09:50] <XenThraL> I want this second file to open in the already existing instance
[09:50] <Lynoure> XenThraL: extention to what?
[09:50] <XenThraL> how would I go about setting that up?
[09:51] <XenThraL> file extension in conqueror
[09:51] <ForgeAus> I dunno how I got them then
[09:51] <XenThraL> myproject.cbp
[09:51] <XenThraL> *.cbp
[09:51] <ForgeAus> prolly one of the packages I got had it built in
[09:51] <underdog5004> KatieS, sounds pretty complicated...I know that most cell phone companies cripple their phones in that respect unless you pay them booku bucks
[09:51] <ForgeAus> I just can't stand ubuntu's brown/orange lol
[09:51] <Jucato> neither can I lol
[09:52] <XenThraL> same here
[09:52] <ForgeAus> but there is blubuntu
[09:52] <Jucato> but I can easily turn GNOME blue anyway
[09:52] <KatieS> underdog5004: I get 230.4 kbps most of the time
[09:52] <dettoaltrimenti> is it safe to delete any program in adept that ends in "-dev"?
[09:53] <Jucato> delete?
[09:53] <dettoaltrimenti> theyre just things for programmers, right
[09:53] <ForgeAus> dettoal not ALL but to uninstall -dev's is often ok
[09:53] <dettoaltrimenti> remove
[09:53] <Jucato> you can't "delete" programs in Adept.
[09:53] <ForgeAus> some apps require the -dev... few but some
[09:53] <Jucato> yes they are used for compiling
[09:53] <Lynoure> XenThraL: man for Code Blocks might give the command line for opening a file, and perhaps using that will help
[09:53] <ForgeAus> any particular -dev your looking to get rid of?
[09:54] <Lynoure> XenThraL: (just guessing, never used the app)
[09:54] <XenThraL> uhm
[09:54] <XenThraL> is there a '--f' flag of sorts that is generally used for this?
[09:54] <ForgeAus> something like eclipse I know requires some -dev's
[09:54] <Lynoure> XenThraL: That's why I recommended checking the man
[09:54] <ForgeAus> mono does too from memory...
[09:54] <ForgeAus> but they're programming things
[09:55] <ForgeAus> as for normal apps none that I can think of offhand
[09:55] <Lynoure> XenThraL: man codeblocks  (or whatever the command for starting it is)
[09:55] <ForgeAus> Code Blocks?
[09:55] <ForgeAus> is that an IDE of some kind?
[09:55] <XenThraL> yes
[09:56] <XenThraL> built on wxWidgets
[09:56] <firecrotch> codeblocks manpage for those who don't have codeblocks: http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/codeblocks.1.html
[09:57] <ForgeAus> is there an app like visula or sanscript for Linux?
[09:58] <firecrotch> I don't see anything in there about opening something in an existing codeblocks instance
[09:58] <XenThraL> indeed
[09:59] <firecrotch> XenThraL:  Doesn't codeblocks have an Open File thing on the File menu?
[09:59] <bxnp> but sanscript is allso availible for linux ForgeAus
[09:59] <XenThraL> yes, but it was more of a matter of learning how to set that up
[09:59] <XenThraL> rather then absolute necessity
[09:59] <firecrotch> Ah, gotcha
[09:59] <ForgeAus> ahh thanx bx :)
[10:00] <ForgeAus> it sprobably not free tho right?
[10:00] <bxnp> yep its not free, but if you already worked with sanscript it would be the logical thing todo and buy the software
[10:01] <bxnp> ForgeAus: any experience making things with ajax
[10:02] <ForgeAus> bxnp not as yet
[10:02] <ForgeAus> mostly just asp.net
[10:02] <bxnp> asp.net no php coding experience
[10:02] <ForgeAus> It was on the PC's at uni I went to ... I kinda liked toying with it...
[10:03] <ForgeAus> not sure what they used it for tho
[10:03] <ForgeAus> (sanscript that is)
[10:03] <ForgeAus> nope no php
[10:03] <ForgeAus> I'm looking into python/boo alot lately
[10:03] <ForgeAus> not interested in perl
[10:04] <bxnp> btw is it just me i have huge lag
[10:04] <XenThraL> 631 ms here (brazil)
[10:05] <bxnp> 57 seconds and i am in holland
[10:05] <bxnp> well no its 218 ms
[10:05] <ForgeAus> 763 but I'm downloading other stuff and Australia here
[10:05] <bxnp> now
[10:05] <underdog5004> how can I check lag time to the irc server?
[10:05] <bxnp> dunno underdog5004 my client shows it
[10:05] <ForgeAus> konversation tells you in the bottom RH corner
[10:05] <underdog5004> lol...I'm using xchat
[10:06] <ForgeAus> different apps you might need to use the ping command
[10:06] <XenThraL> think its an option in xchat
[10:06] <XenThraL> that you have to enable
[10:06] <XenThraL> but not 100% sure
[10:06] <ForgeAus> ie /ping <user> or <self>
[10:06] <KatieS> bottom right corner
[10:06] <ForgeAus> ahh 1 sec... eek its getting worse!
[10:08] <bxnp> anyone experience with ajax
[10:08] <underdog5004> getting about 48 ms
[10:08] <bxnp> yeah well me is at 5 at the moment
[10:08] <devilsadvocate> is there any way to disable apt-index-watch ?
[10:09] <KatieS> y'all, I've got 30s.... be happy
[10:09] <ForgeAus> code blocks looks great!
[10:10] <ForgeAus> any better and it'd rival  sharpdevelop! lol
[10:13] <carefreecamel> do I need to use a lighter or a match on my computer for the firewall to start?
[10:13] <underdog5004> carefreecamel, no.
[10:13] <devilsadvocate> !iptables
[10:13] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[10:14] <carefreecamel> underdog5004, is there a switch that lights it?
[10:14] <carefreecamel> underdog5004, I looked at the inside but I see nothing
[10:14] <underdog5004> carefreecamel, no. Use the iptables command
[10:14] <carefreecamel> underdog5004, it won't burn me will it
[10:14] <carefreecamel> underdog5004, where do the flames come out of, the front?
[10:14] <carefreecamel> underdog5004, the front of the case?
[10:15] <underdog5004> !offtopic | carefreecamel
[10:15] <ubotu> carefreecamel: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[10:15] <carefreecamel> underdog5004, nevermind I do see the penguin holding a match on the website of firestarter, so I take this as a hint, I need a match
[10:15] <underdog5004> Or I could call the ops.
[10:15] <carefreecamel> underdog5004, I will download the pdf instructions
[10:15] <underdog5004> good plan!
[10:15] <carefreecamel> matchmaker matchmaker make me a match
[10:16] <underdog5004> !spam
[10:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about spam - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:16] <carefreecamel> !camelmeat
[10:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about camelmeat - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:17] <underdog5004> !botabuse
[10:17] <ubotu> Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[10:17] <crazy_bus> I typed sudo badblocks -wp5 /dev/hda1 and it didn't come up with any messages.  Does that mean I don't have bad sectors?
[10:21] <_4strO> yop yop
[10:23] <bxnp> i hate lag
[10:24] <KatieS> meeeeeeeee too
[10:30] <Fleebailey66> oops
[10:31] <Fleebailey66> didnt know i could do that
[10:31] <Fleebailey66> heh
[10:31] <Fleebailey66> not enough sleep for to long
[10:31] <Bxnp> lol @ ForgeAus :)
[10:32] <ForgeAus> do what?
[10:32] <Fleebailey66> change topic
[10:32] <Fleebailey66> or it said i did
[10:32] <Fleebailey66> you were to busy casting spells
[10:32] <ForgeAus> well all you need for tha is op privileges
[10:32] <Fleebailey66> =)
[10:32] <ForgeAus> or perhaps a channel service (depending on the network)
[10:33] <underdog5004> how exactly does one _get_ op privs?
[10:33] <ForgeAus> underdog it gets granted
[10:33] <ForgeAus> by people if they know you/care
[10:33] <ForgeAus> but if I were you I'd rather not have ops
[10:33] <ForgeAus> less politics and problems
[10:33] <underdog5004> yeah...I'd prob screw something up.
[10:34] <ForgeAus> hehe nah but you woul dprobably be able to moderate the channel which is something I'm VERY MUCH against...
[10:34] <jordo23> Whenever I click on a download link in Konqueror, it either downloads the file to Kate, or if I shift-click it always tries to download file download.php......how do I fix this?
[10:34] <ForgeAus> I can see how its useful quite breifly in some extreme situations tho
[10:35] <ForgeAus> jordo, perhaps use firefox instead?
[10:35] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, you're against moderation?
[10:35] <ForgeAus> IRC channel moderation? yes very much against it
[10:35] <jordo23> I'm not switching to Firefox.....
[10:36] <jordo23> Konqueror rules....
[10:36] <ForgeAus> during times of channel moderation only operators (or people with + voice mode) can speak
[10:36] <ForgeAus> hehe jordo I agree konqueror is great
[10:36] <ForgeAus> but I don't think it handles that kind of link well
[10:36] <ForgeAus> there may be a way to get it to, but if so I'm not aware of it
[10:37] <jordo23> ForgeAus: Ive seen it work.....I just reinstalled Edgy, need to get it back to how it was...
[10:37] <underdog5004> ForgeAus, I think if you register your nick you get +e privs
[10:37] <underdog5004> not sure what that means, though.
[10:37] <ForgeAus> thats different
[10:38] <ForgeAus> thats a channel services mode
[10:38] <ForgeAus> or network mode or something
[10:38] <ForgeAus> perhaps even user mode
[10:38] <ForgeAus> but its not a channel mode
[10:38] <ForgeAus> (I think it just lets you use /msg's)
[10:38] <underdog5004> ah. I'm un-learned-ed when it comes to irc stuff
[10:39] <ForgeAus> well strictly +e isn't really about irc is more about freenode I think
[10:42] <aliasgherman> How to search for different IRC channels ?
[10:42] <aliasgherman> any command ?
[10:43] <Hobbsee>  /list
[10:43] <ForgeAus> you can use /list
[10:43] <aliasgherman> thanks
[10:43] <ForgeAus> but I don't recommend it if theres a web based list
[10:43] <ForgeAus> www.freenode.net might have one
[10:43] <ForgeAus> or is it .org?
[10:43] <Hobbsee> underdog5004: magic
[10:44] <ForgeAus> the /list command generates lots of traffic...
[10:44] <Hobbsee> yes.  there's lots of channels
[10:44] <ForgeAus> not so bad on smaller networks but on big IRC nets it can be problematic
[10:44] <ForgeAus> (you might get disconnected from the irc server before the list is even complete!
[10:45] <underdog5004> Hobbsee, lol, seems like all the internets run on magic...
[10:45] <ForgeAus> sometimes whne it works it seems like that :)
[10:48] <KatieS> how about people just suggest their favorites?
[10:49] <underdog5004> I like Single White Mochas with Whipped Cream
[10:49] <underdog5004> That's my favorite
[10:50] <nuxil> hi all
[10:50] <underdog5004> hello
[10:51] <nuxil> can you help me with xgl and berly ?
[10:51] <luca_b> !xgl
[10:51] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:51] <nuxil> i cant start my X as a user..
[10:51] <nuxil> only as root
[10:51] <nuxil> its always fun to irc as root :P
[10:51] <underdog5004> nuxil, I've got no experience w/ beryl or Compiz or xgl...sorry
[10:52] <nuxil> underdog5004, ok
[10:52] <Jucato> nuxil: might want to try #ubuntu-xgl for help
[10:52] <Thar> hello
[10:52] <Danzik> Hello
[10:52] <Thar> i have problem with apt
[10:52] <Thar> is this the right place? :P
[10:52] <underdog5004> yep
[10:52] <Thar> ok, so
[10:52] <Jucato> ask away
[10:52] <nuxil> Jucato, #ubuntu-xgl == #ubuntu-effects and im already there
[10:53] <Thar> whe i try to download packages or sth
[10:53] <Thar> *when
[10:53] <nuxil> Jucato, thery are asleep :\
[10:53] <Thar> it always resolves IP adress of repo as localhost
[10:53] <Thar> 127.0.0.1
[10:53] <underdog5004> Thar, pastebin your sources.list
[10:53] <Jucato> !pastebin | Thar
[10:53] <Jucato> hm...
[10:54] <Jucato> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org
[10:54] <Jucato> ubotu: ping
[10:54] <nuxil> Thar, check you resolv.conf maybe ?
[10:54] <luca_b> nuxil: I would folllow the instructions on the Beryl wiki to set up XGL
[10:54] <jordo23> Jucato: Whenever I click on a download link in Konqueror, it either downloads the file to Kate, or if I shift-click it always tries to download file download.php......how do I fix this?
[10:54] <nuxil> luca_b, i did it
[10:54] <Jucato> jordo23: what site is it?
[10:55] <jordo23> Jucato: It's the AERO AIO link on KDElook
[10:55] <jordo23> the download link
[10:55] <Jucato> ah KDE-Look... notorious...
[10:55] <jordo23> tries to download file "download.php" or open the binary in Kate
[10:55] <Jucato> jordo23: hm... tried right-click Save Target As?
[10:55] <jordo23> yeah....tries to save download.php
[10:56] <Jucato> jordo23: otherwise, try to install KGet, and use it as your download manager for Konqueror
[10:56] <Jucato> I believe that solves the roblem
[10:56] <ForgeAus> are alll .tgz's slackware packages? or not?
[10:56] <Jucato> problem*
[10:56] <jordo23> Jucato: I have Kget running.....
[10:56] <Jucato> jordo23: is it integrated w/ Konqueror?
[10:56] <ForgeAus> I know slackware binaries copy over fine into kubuntu but things like configuration and source are different stories......
[10:56] <luca_b> ForgeAus: most of them, but some people also use .tgz for source packaging
[10:57] <Jucato> jordo23: KGet -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Advanced tab -> Use KGet as download manager for Konqueror
[10:57] <ForgeAus> (and as to if the binaries run or if they need other files is another story too)
[10:57] <ForgeAus> (ie I still havn't got gslapt up and running lol)
[10:57] <jordo23> Jucato: Yeah.....already selected.....
[10:58] <Jucato> hm..
[10:58] <ForgeAus> its probably dangerous to use it even if I do get it working
[10:58] <Jucato> jordo23: can you give me the URL to that page?
[10:58] <Thar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4079/
[10:58] <luca_b> ForgeAus: just asking, why do you want to use Slack packages on *ubuntu?
[10:58] <jordo23> http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=24626
[10:58] <ForgeAus> luca some of the packages I downloaded (forgot what for now) but they were slackware ones
[10:59] <jordo23> Jucato: Then click on the download link...
[10:59] <ForgeAus> so I just copied over installpkg (pkgtools) and it worked!
[10:59] <Jucato> ok
[10:59] <ForgeAus> but that was because it was a binary...
[10:59] <luca_b> ForgeAus: and perhaps a statically linked one
[10:59] <ForgeAus> source ones are um... a different story...
[10:59] <Jucato> jordo23: yeah I can confirm that.
[10:59] <jordo23> KGET wont download it from the url address either....
[10:59] <luca_b> ForgeAus: when you start to dive in the mattsrs of shared libraries, you get problem
[10:59] <lerva> does kubuntu come with some ftp client??
[10:59] <ForgeAus> as long as your careful you may be able to use .tgz's but don't expect it to work! lol
[10:59] <jordo23> Jucato: explain.....
[11:00] <jordo23> same thing happen to you?
[11:00] <ForgeAus> luca I need a few symbolic links
[11:00] <Jucato> jordo23: faulty PHP is the only thing I can think of
[11:00] <ForgeAus> xfree and xorg don't always put things in the same place...
[11:00] <luca_b> ForgeAus: I wouldn't try, I almost messed up my box just by using normal packages alone
[11:00] <jordo23> Jucato: Are you able to download the file?
[11:00] <ForgeAus> but other than that... not too much trouble sofar
[11:00] <Jucato> jordo23: in kget, click on the paste button and paste this: http://aerolinux.free.fr/aero_aio.skz
[11:00] <ForgeAus> hehe luca I've been there done that
[11:00] <Jucato> jordo23: no. I'm experiencing the same thing as you
[11:00] <ForgeAus> messed up with ubuntu packages
[11:00] <luca_b> ForgeAus: actually xorg changed the position of X11R6 directory
[11:00] <ForgeAus> but also fixed up messed ubuntu packages
[11:01] <ForgeAus> well it exists in both locations
[11:01] <Danzik> Erm, how do I update my display drivers?
[11:01] <malik> my god i have never seen more than 350 nicks in kubuntu channel but there are almost 850+ nicks in ubuntu
[11:01] <ForgeAus> its just the bits of it underneath aren't um synchronized
[11:01] <ForgeAus> (nor should they be I take it)
[11:01] <luca_b> Danzik: depends if you need to update or not, what card do you have?
[11:01] <jordo23> Jucato: Yeah....that worked.....
[11:01] <ForgeAus> ubuntu's popular :)
[11:01] <luca_b> ForgeAus: fglrx bailed out once because of that
[11:02] <jordo23> Where'd you get the link?
[11:02] <Danzik> nvidia.  I have the drivers on my desktop but, it gives me the following message in terminal
[11:02] <Danzik> sh: Can't open NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run
[11:02] <ForgeAus> luca to be honest I'm having trouble with linux and numbers... versions, etc...
[11:02] <ForgeAus> its all so... depenant
[11:02] <jordo23> Jucato: Where'd you get the link?
[11:02] <ForgeAus> but once I learn more about it I might be able to understand it better...
[11:03] <Jucato> jordo23: when it tries to open the link in Kate, a little dialog box will popup, trying to download it first before opening in Kate. I just very quickly copy the URL in that box and paste it in kget
[11:03] <ForgeAus> awww luca left!
[11:03] <malik> so can i ask this question and it may be a tupid one but .......... whats the reason behind more ppl using ubuntu than kubuntu?
[11:03] <ForgeAus> malik popularity
[11:03] <ForgeAus> ubuntu's the name most people know and since kubuntu is based on it...
[11:03] <ForgeAus> fewer people are aware of kubuntu
[11:04] <ForgeAus> at least in theory
[11:04] <ForgeAus> wb luca
[11:04] <luca_b> ForgeAus: XGL crash - glad I have also the regular Xorg running
[11:04] <ForgeAus> lol
[11:04] <ForgeAus> did you ubuntu-ize your slackware or something?
[11:04] <jordo23> Jucato: Yeah.....it's just that specific link.,..
[11:04] <jordo23> Jucato: I tested some others....
[11:05] <Thar> malik: also, most ppl thing gnome is a 'lightweight', compared to kde
[11:05] <Jucato> yep. I find KDE-Look notorious for those kinds of links
[11:05] <luca_b> ForgeAus: was saying that especially with libraries, application programming interfaces (APIs) and application binary interfaces (ABIs) sometimes change
[11:05] <KatieS> malik personal choice
[11:05] <ForgeAus> Jucato sure is
[11:05] <malik> i havent tried ubuntu that much only for few days and then i went back to fedora but then i got sick of em releasing new version every six mnths and i cudnt be bothered downloading 5 cdz every now n then, so i decided to try kubuntu and so far i am liking it
[11:06] <luca_b> ForgeAus: therefore mixing programs that rely on different versions of a library can lead to uhm... trouble?
[11:06] <ForgeAus> change is good... but you have to be dynamic enough to handle the change in other areas
[11:06] <ForgeAus> thats the problem
[11:06] <jordo23> Jucato: Why is it that ARK never opens an archive file without giving me errors.....the file still extracts.....but I get an error and a dialog EVERY time...
[11:06] <luca_b> Jucato: I usually use KGetHotNewStuff to avoid problems with the *-apps pages
[11:06] <Jucato> jordo23: dunno...
[11:07] <Jucato> luca_b: some apps/themes aren't accessible through KGHNS... like superkaramba themes
[11:07] <luca_b> jordo23: which type of archive?
[11:07] <Danzik> Hmm...what does this mean?  "sh: Can't open NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-1.0-9746-pkg2.run"
[11:07] <luca_b> Jucato: you mean, some of them?
[11:07] <Jucato> luca_b: I think so. can't remember exactly... been a while since I used SK..
[11:08] <luca_b> Danzik: why do you need to upgrade your drivers? I'm not trying to discourage you, just telling it that with drivers "if it' ain't broke, don't fix it"
[11:08] <Jucato> but icon themes, mouse cursor themes, color schemes, you can't get those from KGHNS iirc
[11:08] <luca_b> Jucato: I got some of my themes via that
[11:08] <luca_b> Jucato: yes you are right
[11:08] <luca_b> Jucato: but for SK it works, though it bombs sometimes
[11:09] <Danzik> It seems to only allow me to choose 1024x768 rez
[11:09] <malik> see thats what i mean , one cannot even join the darn #fedora channel without a registered nick, not a biggie but still a pain
[11:09] <luca_b> Danzik: that is not a driver issue, more like a configuration issue
[11:09] <dettoaltrimenti> Does KDE only work with the x-window system?
[11:09] <lerva> hmm.. what seems to be problem since my programs seem to close themselfs automatically sometimes... adept closes every now and then...
[11:09] <luca_b> dettoaltrimenti: currently, yes, or with something that provides X11
[11:10] <luca_b> dettoaltrimenti: we will see for KDE 4
[11:10] <Danzik> I see
[11:10] <Thar> it seems to work on windows (partially)
[11:10] <Thar> and since win doesn't have x11...
[11:10] <dettoaltrimenti> is there another alternative besides KDE and gnome, that is less resource intensive? I have a very bad computer
[11:10] <jordo23> Jucato: tar.gz
[11:10] <jordo23> Usually
[11:11] <Jucato> jordo23: luca_bwas the one asking
[11:11] <luca_b> dettoaltrimenti: XFCE (on Xubuntu by default), fluxbox, blackbox
[11:11] <jordo23> luca_b: tar.gz
[11:11] <Thar> dettoaltrrimenti: also windowmaker, fvwm
[11:11] <jordo23> Usually
[11:11] <jordo23> :)
[11:11] <Thar> fvwm-crystal looks pretty nice, and consumse minimal of system resources
[11:11] <luca_b> jordo23: I think I lost something on the way, can you recap?
[11:11] <KatieS> night all
[11:11] <malik> multimedia-wise which distro is better?.........kubuntu or ubuntu?
[11:12] <luca_b> malik: they have the same foundations, so they're equal IMO
[11:12] <Thar> both are bad
[11:12] <dettoaltrimenti> and is there a terminal command I can use to stop kde and replace it with xfce? once i've downloaded it, I mean- or do I have to change some system file
[11:12] <Thar> since in both you must use programs with gtk and qt
[11:12] <malik> Thar: so what u think which other linux flavour is better?
[11:12] <Thar> dettoaltrimenti: you must change session on startup
[11:13] <jordo23> luca_b: Ark geeps giving me errors on .tar.gz files vbut still extracts them fine.....just ALWAYS get a dialog box and error warning...
[11:13] <Thar> malik: noone...
[11:13] <Jucato> luca_b: oh yeah, SK has the KGHNS too... but right now.. it ain't working for me...
[11:13] <malik> LOLz
[11:13] <Thar> as far as programmers of multimedia apps use differend libs
[11:13] <Thar> no desktop environment is better
[11:13] <dettoaltrimenti> will the session 'xfce' or 'fluxbox' show up automatically after I have downloaded it?
[11:13] <luca_b> Thar: I use kaffeine (video) and amarok (audio), both QT apps
[11:14] <Thar> luca_b: yes, but it is a 'normal' set off apps
[11:14] <Thar> i mean, something for music, something for films
[11:14] <malik> can we run amarok on ubuntu?
[11:14] <Thar> gnome have it's own apps for that
[11:14] <ForgeAus> ok of course you can
[11:14] <Jucato> malik: yes
[11:15] <Thar> but by multimedia-oriented distro, i understand something like ubuntu-studio will be...
[11:15] <dettoaltrimenti> malik- amarok is definately the best audio player- it works perfectly with ipods
[11:15] <ForgeAus> Jucato does ubuntu have qt libraries? (the same way kubuntu has gtk right?)
[11:15] <Jucato> ForgeAus: nope. quite unfair, eh? :P
[11:15] <ForgeAus> lol
[11:16] <ForgeAus> in fact what of Gnome can't kubuntu run?
[11:16] <triker> !time
[11:16] <ubotu> time: The GNU time program for measuring cpu resource usage. In component main, is standard. Version 1.7-21 (edgy), package size 31 kB, installed size 144 kB
[11:16] <Jucato> the only reason Kubuntu has GTK libs is I think for gtkpod and amarok
[11:16] <Thar> amarok... isn't it written in qt?
[11:16] <ForgeAus> whats gtkpod?
[11:17] <ForgeAus> um written in qt?
[11:17] <Jucato> yes Amarok uses Qt. but I think it needs gtkpod for iPod support
[11:17] <ForgeAus> lol
[11:17] <ForgeAus> ah Jucato I see
[11:17] <Thar> exactly: lol oO
[11:17] <ForgeAus> that answers my question
[11:17] <Jucato> !gtkpod
[11:17] <ubotu> gtkpod: manage songs and playlists on an Apple iPod. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.99.4-1ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 481 kB, installed size 1992 kB
[11:17] <luca_b> !libgtkpod
[11:17] <malik> so amarok is basically gnome based app fitted in kubuntu?
[11:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libgtkpod - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:17] <Jucato> but I'm not 100% sure anyway
[11:17] <luca_b> it only uses the lib AFAIK
[11:18] <Thar> malik: no
[11:18] <Jucato> malik: no
[11:18] <Thar> it's qt- based, as kde is
[11:18] <luca_b> (but I don't know, I don't own an ipod)
[11:18] <Thar> it use lib written in gtk, though
[11:18] <Thar> for manageing ipods
[11:18] <Jucato> Amarok is KDE/Qt. but it uses gtkpod, an already existing program, for iPod support
[11:18] <Thar> sorry for my engligh...
[11:18] <Jucato> rather than reinvent the wheel
[11:19] <malik> so amarok will be more happy in KDE than Gnome?
[11:19] <Jucato> of course
[11:19] <Jucato> but again, I'm not 100% sure on the Amarok-gtkpod thing
[11:19] <dettoaltrimenti> does openoffice use myspell? If so, do any programs in kubuntu use ispell?
[11:20] <ciro> !java
[11:20] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[11:20] <ForgeAus> ispell aspell myspell... we all spell?
[11:20] <luca_b> dettoaltrimenti: KDE can set a spell checking engine
[11:20] <luca_b> app-wide AFAIK
[11:21] <ForgeAus> 1 spell to rule them all :)
[11:21] <Thar> :D
[11:21] <luca_b> ForgeAus: most programs use aspell now
[11:21] <luca_b> ForgeAus: AFAIK ispell is bound to disappear
[11:21] <Thar> but still, anyone cen help me eith my apt? :] 
[11:21] <Thar> *w
[11:22] <luca_b> Thar: I lost the pastebin
[11:22] <Thar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4079/
[11:22] <ForgeAus> luca sounds ok... if it doesn't stop old things from working
[11:22] <malik> one probs guyz when i goto root folder no longer there are hidden files .........everything is visible ........before i had to click on show hidden files to see the contents of the root folder apart from home and media folders in root folder.........any idea what is causing this?
[11:22] <swami> hmm  anyone knows a humn interface fpr workong with sockets...
[11:23] <swami> a developer tool
[11:23] <swami> ?
[11:23] <ForgeAus> malik your running as a user not as root
[11:23] <dettoaltrimenti> luca_b do you know is there any difference performance wise between ispell and myspell?
[11:23] <ForgeAus> show hidden files shouldn't be the default anyway
[11:23] <luca_b> Thar: what do you get if you type "host security.ubuntu.com"?
[11:23] <ForgeAus> unless you set it that way
[11:24] <luca_b> dettoaltrimenti: unsure, I spell check by hand or have someone check it
[11:24] <Thar> security.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.138
[11:24] <luca_b> it resolves
[11:24] <malik> ForgeAus: yes but i dont want to see all the tree of root folder in koqi sidebar
[11:25] <luca_b> Thar: odd, want to post the output of sudo apt-get update on pastebin?
[11:25] <Thar> yeah, i'm already doing that :] 
[11:25] <malik> ForgeAus: i just want to see the Home and Media folders in root tree in konqi sidebar........any idea how can i go back to that?
[11:27] <ForgeAus> run it from super user account?
[11:27] <Thar> luca_b: i'm using polish langapack... so unfortunately apt talks to me in polish
[11:28] <ForgeAus> (ie login as root or use kdesu konqueror from console)
[11:28] <luca_b> Thar: easy, just do
[11:28] <Thar> but sense of all is visible, without knowing that language :] 
[11:28] <luca_b> Thar: "LC_ALL=C sudo apt-get update"
[11:28] <luca_b> it will defautl to English, and only for that command (so it won't mess up your locale)
[11:29] <ForgeAus> what are emblems?
[11:29] <Thar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4085/
[11:29] <Thar> here it is
[11:30] <luca_b> Thar: any proxies set up?
[11:30] <Thar> none...
[11:30] <luca_b> Thar: looks like it though
[11:30] <Thar> i know
[11:31] <luca_b> Thar: nothing about your ISP on this?
[11:31] <Thar> well, today is saturday, so i won't contact anyone
[11:31] <Thar> but... just hinking...
[11:31] <Thar> *t
[11:31] <Thar> if it would be something about proxy...
[11:32] <ForgeAus> eek saturday ... I keep forgetting you guys on the other side of the world!
[11:32] <ForgeAus> its Sunday here!...
[11:32] <ForgeAus> late Sunday
[11:32] <luca_b> ForgeAus: sme
[11:32] <luca_b> ForgeAus: not so late here though
[11:32] <Thar> or other things, it would mess up all internet apps, arent it?
[11:32] <Thar> ForeAus: the same with me... i'm forgetting too :P
[11:33] <ForgeAus> unless yesterday wasn't saturday or I'm forgetting something lol
[11:33] <luca_b> Thar: yes
[11:33] <lerva> I'm using kubuntu on my laptop... touchpad is way too sensitive. Do you know any program which can adjust that?
[11:33] <Thar> ...including konversation, wich i use now
[11:34] <Thar> swiftfox for pastebin, etc
[11:34] <luca_b> Thar: but proxies are handled differently by different applications
[11:34] <masterk> can someone help me install kismet?
[11:34] <ForgeAus> but then it HAD to be saturday then because I watched MutantX on Foxtel which is only on Saturday
[11:34] <luca_b> I mean, there are different configs
[11:34] <masterk> it says i need to configure it..
[11:35] <Thar> so...
[11:35] <ForgeAus> I already got firefox and seamonkey I don't think I want swiftfox 2
[11:35] <luca_b> Thar: cat /etc/apt/apt.conf
[11:35] <luca_b> in pastebin
[11:35] <luca_b> (I'm trying to diagnose this)
[11:36] <luca_b> Thar: also cat /etc/wgetrc
[11:36] <Thar> you sure in pastebin...? it's one line only
[11:36] <luca_b> well
[11:36] <luca_b> if not, just paaste here
[11:36] <luca_b> paste
[11:36] <Danzik> Hmm...Still the same rez
[11:36] <luca_b> if it's this short
[11:36] <Thar> APT::Authentication::TrustCDROM "true";
[11:36] <luca_b> Thar, ok, that rules it out
[11:37] <luca_b> let's see wgetrc
[11:37] <dettoaltrimenti> is any part of gnome required for running KDE? I have a lot of gnome libraries even though im not running it
[11:37] <luca_b> dettoaltrimenti: no, but some GTK apps installed on your system may need them
[11:37] <ForgeAus> hmm wget kget gwget... all to*get*her now...
[11:38] <Thar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4086/
[11:38] <Thar> ...should i try wget works? :)
[11:39] <luca_b> Thar: ok, let's do the large and man-killing thing
[11:39] <luca_b> it will produce a  LARGE output of test so be prepared
[11:39] <luca_b> Thar: LC_ALL=C sudo strace apt-get update
[11:40] <ForgeAus> is Feisty going to use that nuvola or Nuovext or whatever icon theme?
[11:40] <luca_b> ForgeAus: unsure, I'd love Oxygen personally
[11:41] <ForgeAus> oxygen, dunno that one
[11:41] <snowrichard> hello
[11:41] <luca_b> ForgeAus: theme for KDE4, not yet releaed
[11:41] <luca_b> ForgeAus: http://oxygen-icons.org for a preview
[11:42] <ForgeAus> oh thats why I hadn't heard of it
[11:43] <ForgeAus> feisty won't be kde4 for a long time most likely
[11:43] <luca_b> ForgeAus: yes, but the icons could be used
[11:43] <ForgeAus> hehe *could*
[11:43] <ForgeAus> theres a few herds to come
[11:43] <luca_b> also because Nuno Pineiro and Kenneth Wlmer from Oxygen team are in charge of Feisty artwork
[11:44] <ForgeAus> Jucato said there are 6 in total expected (theres already at least one)
[11:44] <Thar> probably stupid question... how to deal with output not suiting konsole window?
[11:44] <luca_b> Thar: let me check
[11:44] <Thar> i mean, it's large
[11:45] <Thar> and scrolling up makes it only to some moment
[11:45] <snowrichard> use less or more ?
[11:45] <binks> ok quick q. is it safe to upgrade to fiesty from edgy yet
[11:45] <luca_b> Thar: LC_ALL=C sudo strace apt-get update 2> somefile.txt
[11:45] <luca_b> binks: nope
[11:45] <binks> ok ill stick with edgy cheers
[11:46] <ForgeAus> I like edgy :)
[11:46] <binks> i admit edgy is by far the best os i have ever used
[11:46] <Danzik> So, if I want to edit my config file, how do that?  It won't let me from the Gui
[11:46] <snowrichard> I'm running the 64 bit version on here, works fine
[11:46] <binks> and trust me ive tried a few
[11:46] <luca_b> Thor: better yet LC_ALL=C sudo strace apt-get update &> somefile.txt
[11:47] <ForgeAus> um is Kde going to implement .ico support?
[11:47] <Thar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4087/
[11:47] <ForgeAus> and/or gnome emblems?
[11:47] <ForgeAus> (two simple/easy addons, depending on the way they manage them I guess)
[11:47] <luca_b> Danzik: you can set resolution from system settings I think
[11:47] <Danzik> It only gives me three options
[11:48] <binks> you need to edit xorg.conf i think to add more resolutions
[11:48] <ForgeAus> and your video card/monitor has to be able to handle them
[11:49] <binks> well of course my dear watson
[11:49] <luca_b> Thar: argghh, still no clue, try use wget
[11:49] <Thar> tryed
[11:49] <binks> i have the biggest redbull and vodka hangover of all time
[11:49] <ForgeAus> lol no **** sherlock
[11:49] <luca_b> Thar: it works?
[11:49] <Thar> no
[11:49] <Mez> ForgeAus, .ico - it already sort of does ... but why would you want bitmaps for icons
[11:50] <binks> :)
[11:50] <luca_b> Thar: ah!
[11:50] <Mez> and gnome emblems, arent they just svgs ?
[11:50] <Thar> also trying to download from localhost
[11:50] <ForgeAus> Mez I don't but it would make wine easier
[11:50] <luca_b> Thar: can you do the trick again?
[11:50] <Mez> ForgeAus, ah yes, true indeed
[11:50] <luca_b> Thar: LC_ALL=C strace wget URL &> somefile.txt
[11:50] <luca_b> where URL is where you want to get it
[11:50] <luca_b> Thar: also do ls ~/.wgetrc
[11:51] <luca_b> and see if it lists something
[11:51] <luca_b> Thar: also sudo ls /root/.wgetrc
[11:51] <waylandbill> binks: redbull and vodka together? doesn't sound tasty. I had some mudslides myself last night, so the stoli got some use.
[11:52] <binks> redbull and vodka is great on the night but ill pay all day for it my dancing was like REALLY dancin i was john travolta last night
[11:52] <luca_b> Thar: last but not least "echo $http_proxy"
[11:53] <Thar> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4089/
[11:53] <Thar> output from strace wget
[11:54] <Thar> those two says that there is no such file
[11:54] <luca_b> Thar: aha! "Error parsing proxy URL http://localhost:4001"
[11:54] <voicu> uh, any sniffing programs for linux? it's for... research purposes :D
[11:54] <Thar> and echo $http_proxy points at localhost:4001
[11:54] <luca_b> Thar: there! That's why!
[11:54] <underdog5004> good night, all
[11:54] <underdog5004> or, good morning
[11:54] <luca_b> Thar: try doing export http_proxy=""
[11:54] <luca_b> then apt-get update as normal
[11:55] <voicu> !sniff
[11:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sniff - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:55] <voicu> !sniffing
[11:55] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sniffing - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:55] <luca_b> voicu: ethereal is what you need
[11:55] <Thar> luca_b: works now :D
[11:55] <voicu> ok, thanks luca_b
[11:56] <luca_b> Thar: should have figured sooner... command-line tools use that as proxy
[11:56] <Thar> oh
[11:57] <Thar> any thoughts why? yesterday it was fine and working
[11:57] <luca_b> Thar: have you set it unintentionally in the past?
[11:57] <luca_b> perhaps some script
[11:57] <Thar> i don't think so...
[11:57] <binks> voicu have you tried doze apps under wine for sniffing
[11:57] <luca_b> Thar: have you installed something related to proxies like privoxy?
[11:57] <Thar> maybe tor? but i have it quite long and nothing like that happened
[11:58] <voicu> binks, no. i try to use as many linux applications as possible. forget about ms :P
[11:59] <luca_b> Thar: what gives "aptitude search jap"?
[11:59] <luca_b> Thar: just for my personal interest
[11:59] <binks> just becuase its written for doze doesnt mean dont use it thats narrow minded sorry
[11:59] <luca_b> don't do it Thar, I just checked myself
[11:59] <Thar> ok :P
[11:59] <luca_b> that port is used for some anyonymity software, usually
[12:00] <Thar> ...like tor?
[12:00] <luca_b> Thar: may be
[12:01] <voicu> binks: don't give me that cliche man. i know, it's just that programs for windows use a different way of thinking (like filestructure) and i want to get used to working in linux and oher unix type oses
[12:01] <Thar> aha!
[12:01] <Thar> i have privoxy running
[12:01] <Thar> dunno why, but that probably is that oO
[12:02] <luca_b> Thar: then probably the post-install script set your proxy like that
[12:02] <binks> nu sorry but if something is good at what its written for then why reinvent the wheel just use it dhcpforce is by far the best sniffer out there
[12:02] <luca_b> Thar: if you don't want to give up on privacy, but still be able to use it without resetting the proxy
[12:02] <Thar> luca_b: maybe... i've installed it about a month ago, and everything was fine
[12:02] <luca_b> Thar: a good idea would be setting an alias
[12:03] <luca_b> Thar: in your .bash_profile
[12:03] <Thar> luca_b: i'll try it
[12:03] <luca_b> Thar: like alias apt-get='http_proxy="" apt-get'
[12:04] <Thar> thaks
[12:04] <Thar> *n
[12:04] <luca_b> put it in ~/.bash_profile and it will be automatically used when you log in
[12:04] <voicu> binks, i didn't say that. i only wanted to see how sniffing works, to clarify something in my mind. if i really need a good sniffer, i may use dhcpforce in wine (or any other windows app), why not... but until then i'm going to stick to my unix plan :P
[12:04] <dettoaltrimenti_> how do I go into kdm theme manager?
[12:05] <Thar> dettoaltrimenti_: in kde control
[12:05] <luca_b> dettoaltrimenti_: alt-f2 then type kcontrol, you get an extended control panel
[12:05] <binks> ok love ya
[12:05] <dettoaltrimenti_> thanks- is there any way to get to that control center from the kmenu?
[12:06] <Thar> dettoaltrimenti_: if you dont have it, you can add it
[12:06] <luca_b> dettoaltrimenti_: perhaps there is an entry directly in the KMenu
[12:07] <luca_b> I don't use kmenu so I don't know
[12:07] <luca_b> (I only alt-f2 things or use the command line usually)
[12:09] <raeez> !apt-fix
[12:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about apt-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:09] <raeez> !adept-fix
[12:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-fix - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:11] <daftvader> hi
[12:11] <daftvader> can someone show me how to move the icons on the kde panel?
[12:11] <daftvader> i can't move my trash can or my task bar
[12:14] <Thar> daftvader: it's normal
[12:14] <Thar> for trash
[12:14] <Thar> you should set something in panel settings, bu i don't know how it is in english locale
[12:15] <Thar> look --> advanced i think...
[12:15] <MotorCityMadMan> under system settings/kde components/default app/setting firefox as default will not stick. any help on this ?
[12:16] <ForgeAus> hmmm ubuntu ultimate edition...
[12:16] <larson9999> kmenu still has issues
[12:16] <ForgeAus> get this it come from the popularity of a christmas edition!
[12:16] <daftvader> huh?
[12:16] <ForgeAus> if you think I'm joking go  here: http://ubuntusoftware.info/ultimate/index.html
[12:16] <daftvader> i accidentally clear my menu items
[12:17] <daftvader> and now my trash can and system tray and task bar is all stuck on the left hand side
[12:17] <ForgeAus> it snot kubuntu however... too gnome-ish for me
[12:17] <Thar> oh my... yet another ubuntu
[12:17] <daftvader> yes sorry
[12:17] <daftvader> please educate me on how to fix this up
[12:18] <ForgeAus> lol Thar, theres several of them
[12:18] <Thar> ForgeAus: i know, and i think too much of them :P
[12:18] <Thar> there is too much of them, i mean
[12:19] <daftvader> nvm
[12:19] <daftvader> i worked it out
[12:19] <daftvader> thanx
[12:20] <Thar> adding some packages and customizing look, it's all can be done by user after installation
[12:20] <Thar> or by script...
[12:21] <Thar> well, seems like some people have too much money, willing to spent it on bandwidth for isos ;)
[12:23] <binks> lol @ Thar why would he do that seems a bit ego for me
[12:23] <binks> wunder if hell pay my next bill
[12:24] <dettoaltrimenti_> can I just change the way my login screen looks (the one right before the splash screen)?
[12:24] <Thar> dettoaltrimenti_: yes, you can
[12:25] <dettoaltrimenti_> where is it in kcontrol? I can't seem to find it
[12:25] <Thar> on top in left panel
[12:25] <Thar> 'administration' settings or something like that
[12:26] <Thar> 'KDM Theme Manager'
[12:32] <sinthetek> wow
[12:32] <sinthetek> i'm still in here
[12:32] <sinthetek> i forgot about this screen
[12:33] <sinthetek> oh well, since i'm still here...
[12:34] <crparr> Hi! I am playing around with dualhead using an Intel 855GM onbiard graphics card. Has anyone got dualhead working with xinerama? If yes, may I please have a look at your xorg.conf?
[12:34] <sinthetek> anyone know why kubuntu would detect/use a usb wifi device fine as a livecd but not once it's installed?
[12:38] <sinthetek> i could figure it out if i was local to the machine but i'm trying to guide a long distance friend over the phone....
[12:39] <sinthetek> it would be nice if i could tell her specifically what to do rather than ask her to sift through logfiles and iwconfig/ifconfig output with no idea what she's looking for and i'm not quite sure either
[12:40] <sinthetek> lsusb, lspci etc
[12:41] <devilsadvocate> sinthetek, i believe the live cd is more packed with compatibility softawre than a vailla install. The kernel is same, though, s if it worked there you shouldnt have to recopile the kernel
[12:42] <h3sp4wn> sinthetek: check she has matching linus-restricted modules installed for the kernel she is using
[12:43] <h3sp4wn> (if an update comes from -security securitu restricted is often not there)
[12:44] <sinthetek> hrm...ok, so there's no chance some of the kernel mods aren't missing or there could be a hotplug malfunction or something with udev maybe?
[12:44] <sinthetek> haha, so much stuff it could be... grr
[12:45] <sinthetek> does the install automatically update the system? it was so long since i installed it for my lil sis i forgot
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> the kernel module are all in linux-image or restricted modules
[12:45] <h3sp4wn> the chances are she would run adept updater if prompted
[12:47] <yura> Hi guys, What is the best program for visual editing simple HTML
[12:47] <yura> ?
[12:48] <h3sp4wn> vim
[12:48] <yura> Recently started using Nvu, it's quiet OK, but has some bugs, I thought you can propose something better
[12:48] <Tm_T> yura: Have you tried Kate?
[12:49] <Tm_T> (what is visual editing?)
[12:49] <yura> sorry, mean WYSIWYG
[12:49] <Tm_T> I see.
[12:50] <yura> ,Not playing with TAGs
[12:51] <sinthetek> ok, thanks you guys
[12:52] <ForgeAus> you guys know how I was joking about a fluxbuntu?... apparently its not a joke! THERE IS A fluxbuntu!
[12:53] <yura> Is Kate WYSIWYG?
[12:53] <h3sp4wn> yura: nvu is unmaintained
[12:53] <yura> ,I don't think so
[12:54] <yura> What is alternative to nvu?
[12:54] <ForgeAus> Kate wysiwyg? um its probably not meant to be
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> bluefish
[12:54] <ForgeAus> its not a word processor its just a text-editor... a good one at that!
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> !info nvu feisty
[12:54] <ubotu> nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB
[12:54] <h3sp4wn> doesn't exist in feisty because its unmaintained
[12:56] <ForgeAus> is quanta an alternative?
[12:56] <ForgeAus> (however you spell it)
[12:56] <snowrichard> I like quanta
[12:57] <snowrichard> to edit php and html
[12:57] <h3sp4wn> is quanta wysiwyg
[12:57] <snowrichard> no
[12:57] <ForgeAus> I've never used it I just knew it was webdev related
[01:00] <ForgeAus> DreamLinux looks cute... with a MacOSX-like  taskbar/kicker/whateverucallit
[01:00] <ForgeAus> but I think its based around opera web-browser
[01:00] <h3sp4wn> engage is quite mac os like
[01:01] <ForgeAus> engage?
[01:02] <ForgeAus> wow is Linux Mint based on ubuntu? the installer and design look like it
[01:03] <ForgeAus> of course has an green and aqua theme tho
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> Linux mint is just ubuntu + codecs and stuff afaik
[01:03] <h3sp4wn> ForgeAus: Laucher thing part of e17 but works stand alone
[01:03] <ForgeAus> obviously I'm checking through screenshots of OS's
[01:04] <nuxil> where are the icons for the mouse themes installed ?
[01:04] <yura> Just tried Quanta, but It doesn't show pictures in wysiwyg editor
[01:05] <yura> don't know why, and it doesn't show all page, the bottom part is truncated
[01:05] <Jucato> nuxil: I think in /usr/share/icons
[01:06] <Danzik> I have a question...
[01:06] <nuxil> ok
[01:07] <Danzik> How would I go about changing my resolution.  The highest resolution in System settings it 1024x768
[01:08] <anti_system32_> hello
[01:09] <Danzik> hi
[01:11] <look2me> mkiuy
[01:12] <look2me> witajcie
[01:14] <SFry> Bonjour
[01:15] <look2me> moze ktos jest tu z polski
[01:16] <abattoir> !pl
[01:16] <ubotu> Mozesz uzyskac pomoc w jezyku polskim na #ubuntu-pl
[01:16] <cntb> when I do imaging especially from sda to hda I need to reconstruct fstab and mtab . what command can help me do it ?
[01:16] <cntb> redetect drives in rescue env and mangae to grub  boot
[01:16] <cntb> abattoir: ideas?
[01:17] <cntb> !grub
[01:17] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[01:17] <abattoir> cntb: what do you mean by 'imaging', using dd to copy from one disk to another?
[01:20] <look2me> ubotu ja z tamtad
[01:20] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ja z tamtad - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:23] <cntb> abattoir: yes
[01:23] <cntb> but not dd
[01:23] <cntb> acronis or ghost
[01:23] <cntb> acronis in this case
[01:24] <cntb> abattoir: now fstab is all wrong
[01:24] <cntb> abattoir: must be a way in rescue environment to reconstruct fstab
[01:24] <cntb> also UUID belong to old drive
[01:26] <Jucato> abattoir is here?!?!?!
[01:31] <faraday> hello?
[01:31] <_arafat> !xpath
[01:31] <faraday> how can i mount my ipod in kubuntu?+
[01:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xpath - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:32] <faraday> it doesn't work
[01:32] <faraday> can someone help me?
[01:32] <lotusleaf> faraday: you can ask in #ubuntu too if people are asleep or busy here
[01:33] <Tm_T> faraday: Have you looked from help.ubuntu.com/community ?
[01:33] <faraday> hm the problem is, that my english is very, very bad (i guess)
[01:33] <faraday> is there a german channel?
[01:33] <Jucato> !de
[01:33] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[01:33] <faraday> thx! :D
[01:34] <dhq> what does this mean GL_ARB_fragment_program is missing
[01:41] <Frederick> folks after running apt-get update it gets idle in the fetching headers process any ideas?
[01:43] <yelonek> !sdl
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sdl - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:43] <abattoir> cntb: sorry, i don't know
[01:43] <dhq> what does this mean GL_ARB_fragment_program is missing
[01:43] <yelonek> !sdl-config
[01:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sdl-config - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:44] <Jucato> yelonek: what are you looking for?
[01:44] <yelonek> Jucato: i have this game Lgeneral which i'm trying to compile
[01:45] <yelonek> ./config says
[01:45] <yelonek> checking for sdl-config... no
[01:45] <yelonek> checking for SDL - version >= 1.1.4... no
[01:45] <Jucato> !libsdl1.2-dev
[01:45] <ubotu> libsdl1.2-dev: Simple DirectMedia Layer development files. In component main, is optional. Version 1.2.10-3ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 708 kB, installed size 2756 kB
[01:45] <yelonek> configure: error: lib SDL >=1.1.4 is needed
[01:45] <slow-motion> hallo
[01:46] <Jucato> yelonek: ^^^
[01:46] <yelonek> Jucato: how was i supposed to know that ? :>
[01:47] <Jucato> you could have asked... or apt-cache search :)
[01:47] <yelonek> i used adept manager to check for sdl
[01:48] <yelonek> but there's many libraries with sdl in their names
[01:48] <yelonek> i was puzzled which one i should install
[01:48] <Jucato> when compiling and configure complains about something missing, you should look for the -dev package
[01:48] <yelonek> how did you know ?
[01:49] <yelonek> but it says development - i don't want to develop anything
[01:49] <Jucato> that package contains the headers and libraries for SDL, which you apparently need
[01:49] <Jucato> compiling = a form of developing :P
[01:50] <ForgeAus> hehe
[01:50] <ForgeAus> helps if you know how to code it first
[01:51] <Jucato> well, not really... compiling is just a matter of entering the right commands with the right options... most of the time :P
[01:51] <ForgeAus> hehe
[01:51] <yelonek> i know c++ a bit, but worked in MS Visual Studio
[01:51] <ForgeAus> sometimes the wrong ones work better... but its quite rare
[01:52] <yelonek> when I tried KDevelop it spit sth that i have to create configure first
[01:52] <ForgeAus> sometimes the space between a bug and a feature is quite grey...
[01:53] <ForgeAus> KDevelop is fine... shouldn't be much trouble
[01:53] <yelonek> when it says development i think that they're still working on it, it may be unstable and so on
[01:53] <ForgeAus> which version of Visual studio?.. 6 or .NET ?
[01:53] <ForgeAus> Managed apps are quite different...
[01:54] <ForgeAus> you might look into Mono for managed application development
[01:54] <ForgeAus> I heard theres some work on C# coming for Kdevelop
[01:55] <yelonek> hmm, i would have to check which version it was 2005 .NET but i'm not sure
[01:56] <ForgeAus> yeah 2005 is .NET
[01:56] <ForgeAus> 2002 and 2003 are the ones that actually state .NET but everything since has been based on .NET (with C++ for non-managed apps)
[01:57] <yelonek> ho ho ho, first succesfull compilation :)
[01:57] <yelonek> although no sound and music ;)
[01:58] <ForgeAus> what exactly are you compiling?
[01:59] <yelonek> LGeneral: http://lgames.sourceforge.net/index.php?project=LGeneral
[02:03] <yelonek> btw what does ./ in bash mean ?
[02:03] <Jucato> current directory
[02:04] <Jucato>  ./configure means run the configure script/program, which is in the current directory
[02:04] <ForgeAus> is it likely that fluxbuntu will join Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu as one of the three?? (note I'm ignoring edubuntu for now)
[02:04] <Jucato> ForgeAus: not likely, afaik
[02:04] <Jucato> or haven't read any juicy "rumors" about it
[02:05] <yelonek> what should i do if i compiled a program and then I decided i don't want it anymore ?
[02:05] <yelonek> how do i get rid of it ?
[02:05] <Jucato> if you installed it with configure, make, make install, running "make uninstall" in the same directory (where you ran make) will uninstall it
[02:06] <Jucato> presuming you a) didn't delete that directory and b) you didn't delete the Makefile
[02:06] <kernel32> aldi
[02:06] <ForgeAus> same as DOS ./ is current ../ is parent (cept that the / is not \ otherwise same... but no drive letter thats all)
[02:07] <Jucato> the difference is that in DOS, you don't need to specify that the program is in the current directory
[02:07] <ForgeAus> yeah but isn't that because current is built into the path evironemnt variable somwhoe?
[02:07] <Jucato> both DOS and BASH have PATHs but in DOS, the current directory is always searched first. in BASH, it is never searched at all
[02:08] <ForgeAus> waht ./ can't be added to bash's path?
[02:08] <Jucato> for security reasons...
[02:08] <yelonek> Jucato: and what if i did remove it ?
[02:08] <ForgeAus> or rather . even
[02:08] <Tm_T> ForgeAus: Why should it?
[02:08] <Jucato> yelonek: you'll have to manually delete every reference to it...
[02:08] <yelonek> omg :] 
[02:09] <Jucato> yelonek: each and every file it installed...
[02:09] <Jucato> that's just afaik... I maybe wrong
[02:09] <ForgeAus> TmT so you don't need to refer to it by ./ when you want to run something th ere
[02:09] <yelonek> that's bloody not user-friendly :P
[02:09] <ForgeAus> I'm lazy I want things convenient
[02:09] <Tm_T> ForgeAus: Err, that should _not_ be problem.
[02:09] <abattoir> hi Tm_T :)
[02:09] <Tm_T> Hi abattoir
[02:09] <Jucato> ForgeAus: so that any person can run a script/program in your user directory?
[02:09] <ForgeAus> Tm_T uh? why not?
[02:10] <Jucato> yelonek: since when did compiling anything become user friendly :P
[02:10] <ForgeAus> user directory? ./ is current directory
[02:10] <ForgeAus> besides who's running anything on my PC but me?
[02:10] <Jucato> ForgeAus: remote access?
[02:10] <yelonek> Jucato: lots of stuff has to be compiled
[02:10] <yelonek> everything that's not in repository
[02:10] <ForgeAus> it would be dumb to allow remote access to someone you don't trust right?
[02:10] <Jucato> yelonek: hm... depends.. that's why we have packages :)
[02:11] <ForgeAus> yelonek even some stuff that is in a repository (I think)
[02:11] <yelonek> yeah, but everyone gives code, rarely packages
[02:11] <yelonek> and it have to be deb packages
[02:11] <yelonek> to make it worse
[02:11] <Jucato> ForgeAus: maybe... just remember that anything in your user directory, which is presumably where you'll be running your ./ script doesn't need any permission/notification to execute
[02:11] <Jucato> yelonek: well, not everyone. some are kind enough to package too
[02:11] <ForgeAus> Jucato? your confusing me
[02:11] <ForgeAus> your saying ./ = home directory?
[02:12] <ForgeAus> I don't get that...
[02:12] <yelonek> ~ is home ?
[02:12] <ForgeAus> ./ is wherever on your HDD you are at the time
[02:12] <ForgeAus> yelonek yes
[02:12] <yelonek> so ./ is current
[02:12] <ForgeAus> with ./ its dynamic you could run your script anywhere
[02:12] <ForgeAus> whats that gog to do with a user directory?
[02:12] <Jucato> ForgeAus: when do you usually have to explicitly run a script with ./script? when that script/program isn't in the system owned directories like /usr/bin
[02:12] <Mightily-Oats> hey... ok... back again... i was on earlier about a sound card issue... still havent figured it.. im hoping someone might.. kinda stuck :(
[02:13] <Jucato> meaning, if you're running ./script, most likely than not, you are in your own /home or in a directory owned by your user
[02:13] <ForgeAus> um.. wait first your saying script... I'm talkign about any executable
[02:13] <Jucato> meaning, while your system (root owned directories) are safe, your user data isn't
[02:13] <yelonek> i read an article that said GNU Linux is ready for desktop :] 
[02:13] <Jucato> ForgeAus: notice "script/program"
[02:13] <yelonek> definitely not
[02:13] <ForgeAus> secondly (this seems like a hell of a lot of assumptions here)... I could be running it from anywhere...
[02:13] <Jucato> yelonek: desktop users don't usually compile stuff :D
[02:14] <Mightily-Oats> has anyone had experience with usb headsets in linux (or routing sound from one sound card to another?)
[02:14] <ForgeAus> I didn't have any particular directory in mind
[02:14] <ForgeAus> presumably wher you install something to
[02:14] <Jucato> ForgeAus: true, but you don't have normall access to anywhere except your /home
[02:14] <yelonek> Jucato: but if i want any game, i go to game's website and it says: here's the code, have fun
[02:14] <ForgeAus> (admittedly if its a binary you tend ot put it in /usr/bin anyway)
[02:14] <yelonek> Jucato: how am i supposed to get this game without compiling ??
[02:14] <ForgeAus> fair enough,
[02:15] <Jucato> yelonek: true.. but is it Linux's fault now that the game provider doesn't provide a package for Linux?
[02:15] <ForgeAus> back to root issues again
[02:15] <Jucato> ForgeAus:  or /usr/local/bin, etc
[02:16] <yelonek> Jucato: i thought linux is a community too
[02:16] <yelonek> as a community it is not ready for desktop
[02:16] <Jucato> yelonek: "Linux" is a laaaarge community
[02:16] <ForgeAus> Linux is an OS, people make a community
[02:16] <Jucato> sorry
[02:16] <ForgeAus> but yeah there are communities based around linux distributions
[02:16] <Jucato> yelonek: "Linux" *HAS* a laaaarge community
[02:16] <HymnToLife> ForgeAus, Linux is a kernel, GNU and Linux make an OS :p
[02:17] <ForgeAus> Hymm, yes technically
[02:17] <ForgeAus> so sue me for being simplistic?
[02:17] <yelonek> community of programmers i think :>
[02:18] <Jucato> yelonek: hm... really? have you encountered the *whole* community, form other distros, from other projects, from other countries, to be able to conclude that?
[02:18] <Jucato> anyway, we're going offtopic here...
[02:18] <Jucato> whether you think Linux is ready for the desktop or not is your opinion. and I will respect that and leave it alone
[02:20] <ForgeAus> if I wanted ./ in my path how, theoretically would I go about it?
[02:20] <yelonek> meh
[02:20] <ForgeAus> presumably theres some text file (like an .ini?) or script that sets the environment variables
[02:21] <ForgeAus> although being linux it tends to be .conf more than .ini right?
[02:21] <Jucato> actually, it's more of .bashrc or .bash_profile
[02:21] <ForgeAus> oh yeah heard of .bashrc, I should have known that one
[02:21] <Jucato> but I've had my own problems with PATH's before so I can't give an exact answer
[02:28] <yelonek> i'm feeling disillusioned ;(
[02:28] <yelonek> byes
[02:29] <Jucato> !lgeneral
[02:29] <ubotu> lgeneral: A "Panzer General" - like game. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.1-4 (edgy), package size 464 kB, installed size 1756 kB
[02:30] <ForgeAus> lol
[02:30] <Mightily-Oats> has anyone had experience with usb headsets in linux (or routing sound from one sound card to another?)
[02:30] <Jucato> yes, Linux is definitely not ready for the Desktop... for those who have replaced their brains with their mice...
[02:30] <ForgeAus> possibly someone has but I haven't Mightily...
[02:31] <Jucato> no idea Mightily-Oats... sorry you've had to ask all day... :(
[02:31] <ForgeAus> I dunno I'd agree that Linux IS ready for the desktop its just not... easy thats all
[02:32] <lotusleaf> ForgeAus: most "easy" people are filled with problems and diseases, or prone to either, much like easy operating systems
[02:32] <Jucato> changing to something new is never easy. it requires an open mind more than new skills, though
[02:32] <ForgeAus> depending on what your doing with your PC, but me being so used to Windows... finds it easier...
[02:32] <lotusleaf> ForgeAus: I'd rather enjoy a complex OS, like I enjoy complex people
[02:32] <ForgeAus> lotus, interesting perspective
[02:32] <ForgeAus> and yes most people are complicated
[02:32] <lotusleaf> ForgeAus: I said complex, not complicated
[02:32] <Mightily-Oats> Jucato: im sorry ive been such a pain.. im trying everything.. i can now get sound through the headsets.. in everything except for enemy territory.. main reason i got them
[02:33] <Jucato> simple people are boring... like a square...
[02:33] <ForgeAus> lotus, both will do
[02:33] <ForgeAus> (when talking about people)
[02:33] <lotusleaf> ForgeAus: I like habaneros
[02:33] <ForgeAus> hehe Jucato I heard a good saying once : if you think I'm weird I think your boring!
[02:33] <Jucato> Mightily-Oats: no you're not a pain. and I imagine you're in pain... have you tried other means of support? forums? mailing list?
[02:34] <ForgeAus> Habanerous is a word I haven't come across as yet, so I hope you'll excuse me if I don't understand it...
[02:34] <lotusleaf> ForgeAus: I like the saying "make people think that they're thinking and they'll love you, make them actually think and they will hate you."
[02:34] <Mightily-Oats> yep..... google... ubuntu forums... looking up usb headsets, dual soundcards, disabling one sound card and routing sound
[02:34] <Mightily-Oats> the usb headset acts like its own soundcard
[02:34] <Mightily-Oats> doesnt use the computers one
[02:34] <ForgeAus> I don't know I like thinking... mostly
[02:34] <vega__> yesterday i have tried to instal kubuntu on my laptop (toshiba l10) but the installation stopped at %14
[02:37] <vega__> i have selected 5.6 gb partition to install i think that my ram is not enough (256 mb)
[02:37] <vega__> how can i activate swap partition
[02:37] <Mightily-Oats> Jucato: just had a brainwave.. what if its not the card not liking the game... but the command i have to run to get the game to work
[02:37] <vega__> or how can i install kubuntu from konsole
[02:38] <vega__> i dont want kubuntu to open like i live cd
[02:38] <dettoaltrimenti_> why not vega__?
[02:38] <Mightily-Oats> vega__: try the alternate cd :)
[02:38] <vega__> because my ram is not enough
[02:39] <abhinay> how to install minimal kubuntu-desktop ?
[02:39] <abhinay> iam using Gnome
[02:40] <Jucato> abhinay: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/kde
[02:40] <Jucato> that guide would be useful
[02:40] <ForgeAus> kubuntu-desktop isn't very minimal
[02:40] <dettoaltrimenti_> fluxbox, blackbox, and xfce are good minimal desktops
[02:40] <ForgeAus> but I think you mean to install kubuntu-desktop and remove ubuntu-desktop
[02:40] <dettoaltrimenti_> I think....
[02:41] <Jucato> it's the only kubuntu-desktop.. so it's both minimal and max :)
[02:42] <ForgeAus> yes as someone said the kubuntu-desktop package is quite small, but the dependancies are massive!
[02:43] <ForgeAus> well not extremely massive but pretty big
[02:43] <Jucato> the dependencies of kubuntu-desktop (without ubuntu-desktop installed first) is 1 CD :D
[02:44] <ForgeAus> around 700mb
[02:44] <ForgeAus> dettoal yeah your right all three are minimal but not as functional as KDE imho
[02:44] <vega__> can i install kubuntu to an extended partition
[02:45] <ForgeAus> extended partition? um possibly
[02:45] <ForgeAus> if its fat32 you can read/write it from Kubuntu, but I would only suggest doing so if you didn't have other options available
[02:46] <ForgeAus> not sure about booting from there
[02:46] <ForgeAus> although there is a grub for dos
[02:46] <dettoaltrimenti_> what is the name of the bar at the bottom of the screen, and what are some replacements to the default one in kubuntu?
[02:47] <ForgeAus> NTFS doesn't come in extended partitions does it?
[02:47] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: Kicker the KDE Panel?
[02:47] <ForgeAus> kicker is the name of kbuuntu's "taskbar"
[02:47] <MuJ> kde's
[02:47] <Jucato> although technically, it's not the taskbar... :P
[02:47] <dettoaltrimenti_> yes jucato- the task manager, k-menu, clock, trash, those things
[02:47] <ForgeAus> ok yes kde's
[02:48] <dettoaltrimenti_> I've seen some that half is on the top of the screen, half is on the bottom- others look like mac's dock
[02:48] <ForgeAus> hehe the taskbar is only part of it I get it, yes but windows users tend to refer to the entire thing as the "taskbar"...
[02:48] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: yep. it's Kicker. alternatives would be those Mac OS X dock apps like kxdocker
[02:48] <ForgeAus> even in windows I think its likely technically incorrect
[02:48] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: you can have a Mac OS X-like top panel for Main menus
[02:48] <ForgeAus> I like kooldock
[02:49] <dettoaltrimenti_> and if I install kxdocker or another kind, where can I change the settings to make it load every time I load ubuntu?
[02:49] <ForgeAus> you can even install applets into the menu!
[02:49] <Jucato> dettoaltrimenti_: right-click on the desktop -> Configure Desktop -> Behavior -> Menu bar at the top of the screen
[02:50] <ForgeAus> um that doesn't make kxdocker load by default :) but it does make the menu work like MacOS
[02:50] <ForgeAus> (top screen one)
[02:51] <Jucato> ForgeAus: dettoaltrimenti_: you can have a Mac OS X-like top panel for Main menus
[02:51] <vega__> http://debianadmin.com/copper/displayimage.php?pid=286&fullsize=1  i had rea
[02:51] <Jucato> I said the top panel...
[02:51] <ForgeAus> Baghira is a macosx-like theme too
[02:51] <ForgeAus> its quite nice
[02:51] <ForgeAus> even comes with its own kmenu replacement menu
[02:52] <vega__> i had reach this step but the installation did not format the partition i selected
[02:52] <ForgeAus> I tried it it was fun.. but I prefered not using it
[02:52] <ForgeAus> plus I like blue better than white/grey...
[02:52] <ForgeAus> and I couldn't quite get the minimize/maximize "pips" to look coloured like some version of Aqua does...
[02:53] <ForgeAus> but that was probably more because I wasn't sure how to do so
[02:53] <ForgeAus> Baghira is HIGHLY configurable
[02:54] <ForgeAus> Jucato then don't look into AROS
[02:54] <ForgeAus> (it can run as an OS or like an app ("hosted") )
[02:54] <austin_> what happens in this chat room?
[02:54] <ForgeAus> AmigaOS3.1 compatible
[02:54] <ForgeAus> hehe mostly people ask for help with kubuntu
[02:55] <austin_> as i thort oh well
[02:55] <austin_> :)
[02:55] <ForgeAus> (erm sorry I forgot to put the API in there.. AmigaOS 3.1 API compatible)
[02:55] <lotusleaf> austin_: #kubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu-offtopic for more fun :)
[02:55] <austin_> thanx lotusleaf :)
[02:56] <lotusleaf> austin_: yw :)
[02:56] <ForgeAus> if you use it as a native OS tho you have to use SFF or SFS as your partition type... which I don't think parted (and/or qtparted and/or gparted)  recognise
[02:56] <ForgeAus> but there are linux kernels with SFS and/or SFF built in...
[02:57] <ForgeAus> there doesn't seem to be much apps and stuff to actually DO in it sofar tho...
[02:59] <ForgeAus> strangely amiwm looks like more like the standard Commodore Amiga500 desktop but is hardly at all configurable, but AROS is like a suped up version that is very configurable... but doesn't run as a display manager... its either an OS of its own (native) or like an app (hosted) - like I mentioned before...
[03:07] <nagyv> are there any know memory problems with ubuntu? the past week it started to hand for unkown reasons. Although I have quite a lot of memory. (512swap, 1G RAM). I think it is related to KTorrent, but not sure, and don't know which logs to check.
[03:10] <nixclusive> hello everybody..
[03:10] <ForgeAus> um Jucato I think I just found out what you meant about GEdit
[03:10] <ForgeAus> its plugin interface makes it very nicely extensible
[03:10] <ForgeAus> and it also has built in syntax highlighting that I didn't notice
[03:10] <ForgeAus> (unless it was a plugin that was already on)
[03:11] <ForgeAus> hey nix
[03:11] <ForgeAus> sup?
[03:11] <nixclusive> very nice here.. how're u?
[03:12] <ForgeAus> nagyv  don't know if there is a memory log or if ktorrent keeps one but perhaps you could try monitorinng the system with ksysguard
[03:12] <ForgeAus> great nix..
[03:12] <nixclusive> just watching the channel scroll by.. please go ahead.
[03:12] <ForgeAus> (nix it is in the system menu somewhere)
[03:12] <ForgeAus> lol lag?
[03:12] <ForgeAus> yay! I think I got mandriva now!
[03:13] <ForgeAus> 98% of it sofar anyhow
[03:13] <ForgeAus> can't wait to mess with metisse
[03:13] <ForgeAus> hehe and hopefully confirm to myself why/how much I like Kubuntu better
[03:16] <chris_> #join kubuntu-cn
[03:17] <nagyv> hmm, it was not ktorrent. I had to restart again.
[03:18] <ForgeAus> nagyv ksysguard might be more helpful to you
[03:18] <ForgeAus> you can set monitors/graphs of things in it
[03:18] <ForgeAus> you can also use it (with root priveleges) to kill apps and stuff
[03:18] <vega__> i dont want kubuntu installation cd to open desktop and just want to begin installation. so do i have to download alternate cd
[03:18] <nagyv> ForgeAus: the problem is that it won't start once my system starts hanging
[03:19] <vega__> http://ftp.ticklers.org/releases.ubuntu.org/releases/kubuntu/edgy/kubuntu-6.10-alternate-i386.iso
[03:19] <Jucato> vega__: the alternate install cd
[03:19] <ForgeAus> nagyv if your systems hanging it might give you a clue as to whats causing it to hang tho? ...
[03:19] <Jucato> vega__: if you don't have enough RAM to run the desktop CD
[03:20] <ForgeAus> I might check otu whats in the alternative CD
[03:20] <vega__> yes i think that was the problem
[03:20] <Jucato> ForgeAus: the same stuff, but Alternate CD is a text/ncurses-based installer with more install options
[03:21] <ForgeAus> more install options? what kinda options?
[03:21] <Jucato> ForgeAus: installing a command-line (X-less) system, OEM installation, expert installations, etc
[03:22] <ForgeAus> yeah well text/ncurses I figured would be command line... OEM doesn't apply and I'm certainly not an Expert but wouldn't have hurt to see what else the installer could have done
[03:22] <craftycorner> how can i check a dvd for corrupt files with out spending 6 hrs watching eaach video?
[03:22] <ForgeAus> (not that th eLiveCD installer ins't configurable enough (at least with the whole partitioning thing)
[03:23] <Jucato> ForgeAus: more of like being able to choose which modules are installed, where GRUB is installed to, RAID and LVM support, more filesystems to choose from
[03:24] <nagyv> I think this is the best info I could find: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4115/
[03:24] <ForgeAus> oh ok nothing I needed to worry about...  hmm except perhaps LVM
[03:24] <ForgeAus> whats that?
[03:25] <Jucato> !lvm
[03:25] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[03:25] <nagyv> this is a syslog
[03:25] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[03:26] <nixclusive> @BluesKaj Hello there..
[03:28] <BluesKaj> hi nixclusive
[03:33] <ForgeAus> Jucato thanx thats kewl I like LVM but I don't think I'll use it
[03:37] <akrus> how to change eth3->eth2 usage?
[03:40] <ForgeAus> grrr! I spent all day getting this mandriva iso and it dosn't work :(
[03:43] <devilsadvocate> is there any reasonably fast way of making everything on kde smaller?
[03:45] <LjL> devilsadvocate: look at the screen from further away
[03:45] <devilsadvocate> LjL, I'm not laughing
[03:46] <spawn57> devilsadvocate: everything, smaller?
[03:46] <LjL> good to know. anyway, you can make fonts smaller of course, and are your DPI set correctly?
[03:46] <devilsadvocate> LjL, ok.. let me put it this way. Is there any way to increase the efficieny of the screen real estate
[03:46] <LjL> you won't be able to make bitmaps smaller for sure, unless you chance the resolution
[03:46] <h3sp4wn> akrus: could use ifrename or maybe a udev rule in /etc/udev/rules.d
[03:46] <devilsadvocate> as in fonts, icons, panels, the works
[03:46] <LjL> devilsadvocate: probably, how does http://ljl.byethost14.com/annotatedkde.png look?
[03:46] <devilsadvocate> im at 1024x768
[03:46] <spawn57> shrink the fonts, that helps alot
[03:47] <LjL> that's in 1400x1050 note
[03:47] <LjL> so you probably want smaller fonts (or, better, lower DPI) on 1024x768
[03:47] <ubuntu> hay all how does one mount a linux parititon rw in a live cd?
[03:47] <devilsadvocate> can I lower the dpi manually?
[03:48] <LjL> devilsadvocate: for starters, do a  xdpyinfo | grep dimension , pick up a ruler, and see if they're correct
[03:48] <spawn57> LjL: heheh that desktop looks almost like mine
[03:48] <LjL> google can convert from inches to millimeters and back easily, if you don't have millimeters on the ruler
[03:48] <LjL> spawn57: as in the hideous amount of randomly scatter icons is concerned? :P
[03:49] <devilsadvocate> hmm.. thats one big monito LjL
[03:49] <spawn57> naw as in the apple os menu, with teh kde programs button on the top left, and the storage panel applet, recycle bin, system tray and time on the top right
[03:49] <LjL> mine? not really, 17", i just keep a high resolution
[03:50] <spawn57> your res is higher than mine heh
[03:50] <LjL> spawn57: ah yes. the mac-style menu is probably the one toy feature i love the most in KDE
[03:50] <LjL> even though i never was a Mac user
[03:50] <spawn57> same
[03:50] <spawn57> same!
[03:50] <spawn57> haha
[03:50] <LjL> i was an amiga user though, and that had top-menus too (though a bit different)
[03:50] <larson9999> mac style menu?
[03:51] <zorglu_> !adept
[03:51] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[03:51] <LjL> larson9999: yeah, you know, with the current program's menu bar being at the top of the screen instead of in a window... look at my screenshot and you'll understand
[03:51] <elyon225> What is the chmod command to change a directory (and all subdirs) to allow ALL users to read/write to it?
[03:51] <LjL> right click on desktop / configure desktop / mac-os style menubar
[03:51] <spawn57> oh really?
[03:51] <LjL> elyon225: chmod -R a+rw directory
[03:52] <spawn57> never really used amiga, tried out BeOS though but couldn't do much with it
[03:52] <elyon225> LjL: I swear I've tried that (I fumbled with all kinds of combinations).  The --help isn't very helpful in that regard ;)
[03:52] <LjL> spawn57: BeOS really has very little do with with AmigaOS, despite some claims to the contrary
[03:52] <LjL> Ubotu, tell elyon225 about permissions | elyon225, see the private message from Ubotu
[03:52] <LjL> you're right, the manpage isn't too informative either
[03:53] <spawn57> LjL: you dont' seem to make use of virtual windows though
[03:53] <elyon225> LjL: But that worked spendidly, thank you.
[03:53] <LjL> spawn57: what are virtual windows?
[03:53] <larson9999> LjL: oh, i understand.  just can't stand that :)
[03:53] <spawn57> you know Desktop 1, Desktop 2, Destkop 3 ...etc
[03:53] <spawn57> ..hmm virtual desktops I mean
[03:54] <LjL> larson9999: well, we all love KDE's configurability. but it has at least two advantages: 1) you waste less screen estate 2) you have "infinite-height" menu buttons to click on, you don't have to aim with the mouse
[03:54] <LjL> spawn57: ah - no, never quite liked that. on the Amiga i used something similar, but it was different enough
[03:55] <LjL> the AmigaOS had screens, and "big" applications normally started on their own screen. but it wasn't really the same as virtual desktops in X
[03:55] <spawn57> ah, I not too fond of'em but I do make use of it, to save screen space, I have too many windwos open
[03:55] <LjL> spawn57: well, to be honest my long time of Windows usage has gotten me into the habit of keeping everything maximized
[03:56] <LjL> so in a way i do still have different "screens", simply in the form of maximized windows
[03:56] <LjL> devilsadvocate: found out if the current DPI settings were correct?
[03:57] <spawn57> LjL: i see
[03:57] <larson9999> LjL: i'm not partial to kde.  i use kde, gnome, and xfce with no particular preference.  but i do make them all look pretty much the same.  the windows look that i got accustomed to over the years.  i too keep everything maximized.  and don't like tabbed browsing because i'm used to alt+tabing.  :)
[03:57] <devilsadvocate> LjL, looking for a ruler :|
[03:57] <ubuntu> can anyone help me mount my linux partition with write access..
[03:57] <devilsadvocate> but they look ok
[03:57] <ubuntu> i keep getting access is denied
[03:58] <spawn57> LjL: can't do that with things like kopete though..well you can, but I hate to
[03:58] <LjL> devilsadvocate: well, if they look ok, then probably you should just decrease font size. also, can't you set a higher resolution? 1024x768 really is a bit claustrophobic for today's KDE, honestly
[03:58] <devilsadvocate> LjL, close enouh. a centimeter or so wrong
[03:58] <spawn57> ubuntu : is it an windows ntfs partition? or a linux ext3 partition?
[03:58] <ubuntu> it is a linux ext2 partition
[03:59] <devilsadvocate> i just found out that i cant increase res beyond 1024. last time i tried my screen scrolled
[03:59] <ubuntu> i am running off of the kubuntu live cd, at the moment and need write access to the ext2 partition
[03:59] <LjL> devilsadvocate: not even 1152x864?
[03:59] <h3sp4wn> if you have mounted it you will be able to write to it with sudo
[03:59] <devilsadvocate> btw, i also realized that i'm at a wrong refresh rate
[03:59] <devilsadvocate> i have a feeling i have driver issues.. and that too with an intel 815 :|
[04:00] <spawn57> you need to mount it with rw options, that's -o rw I think
[04:00] <LjL> devilsadvocate: well if the refresh rates are set wrong for your monitor, then it's possible that higher resolutions don't work even if they *should* work
[04:00] <LjL> devilsadvocate: do you have your monitor's manual or specs?
[04:00] <LjL> devilsadvocate: ideally, you need the horizontal and vertical sync rates. though if you don't have them, they should be easily enough guessable
[04:00] <ubuntu> using the console i can make a folder, why can't i use konqueror, or is there a way to make knoqueror sudo
[04:00] <spawn57> yeap, kdesu konqueror
[04:00] <LjL> ubuntu: kdesu konqueror
[04:01] <devilsadvocate> LjL, i think i have the manual. gimme a minute to check
[04:01] <ubuntu> sweet!
[04:02] <LjL> ubuntu: don't be too fond of using konqueror as root though, only when it's really necessary
[04:02] <h3sp4wn> It is never necessary
[04:02] <LjL> h3sp4wn: if you are willing to use the shell, sure
[04:03] <devilsadvocate> LjJ, "For DV playback and smooth video playback, we recommend the following resolutio
[04:03] <devilsadvocate>  efresh rates: 1024 x 768/75 Hz or lower.
[04:03] <devilsadvocate> " .. Its an old monitor :P
[04:03] <ubuntu> kdesu worked, I OWE  you all. I have no clue where i would be if i didn't have this channel
[04:03] <devilsadvocate> and thats all it says
[04:03] <LjL> devilsadvocate: that *probably* means that 1024x768 is the only one that can go as high as 75Hz... still, might not really be the case. and if you can get 1152x864 at, say, 72Hz, i think it's a better compromise
[04:04] <ubuntu__> live cd is awesome... just burnt my hard drive so have to stick with kubuntu-live for a while.... :D
[04:04] <LjL> devilsadvocate: but try to find if there's the horizontal and vertical sync rates specified anywhere
[04:04] <LjL> devilsadvocate: should be four figures
[04:04] <devilsadvocate> LjL, I agree, esp. since  its now using 60 Hz
[04:04] <LjL> devilsadvocate: 60Hz is an eye killer
[04:04] <ubuntu> ubuntu_burnt harddrive = not fun times
[04:04] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu__: there is faster ones if you are doing to be using it alot
[04:05] <devilsadvocate> no, the manual doesnt have sync rates
[04:05] <devilsadvocate> its the manual to my laptop, which i was able to download
[04:06] <devilsadvocate> not the monitor per se
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> 60Hz is fine on an lcd
[04:06] <h3sp4wn> (recommended by the manual of mine)
[04:07] <lotusleaf> 60hz is like pouring lemon juice into the eyes by strobe light
[04:07] <devilsadvocate> :)
[04:07] <doubledpsycho> i blame windows for burning my hard drive... didnt use that piece of **** for months and a single login killed my harddrive... at least i got rid of winows... too bad linux had to burn aswel
[04:08] <devilsadvocate> how can i force the monitor to higher states? xorg.conf?
[04:08] <ubuntu__> i insert kubuntu desktop cd and want to install kubuntu cd Exec=kdesu --nonewdcop ubiquity kde-ui
[04:08] <Rumo_> yes devilsadvocate
[04:08] <devilsadvocate> hm. hope this works :P
[04:08] <ubuntu__> is this the command to install kubuntu from konsole
[04:09] <akrus> someone to help? :)
[04:09] <akrus> KDE stopped mounting SD cards & CDs
[04:09] <akrus> and some Card Reader help needed :3
[04:09] <h3sp4wn> lotusleaf: only on a crt
[04:09] <LjL> devilsadvocate: oh wait, laptop? so an LCD?
[04:09] <LjL> then Hz doesn't count
[04:09] <devilsadvocate> LjL, yeah
[04:09] <lotusleaf> h3sp4wn: ah
[04:10] <LjL> 60Hz should be fine mostly
[04:10] <doubledpsycho> a had a weird bug with SD cards... they did mount on insert, but alsa hung along with that = no sound
[04:10] <devilsadvocate> is the i810 the friver i need for an intel 815, or can i try to use something else?
[04:10] <LjL> devilsadvocate: just do this then,  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg , hit Enter on all of the defaults (they'll be fine) except for resolution and sync rates
[04:11] <LjL> devilsadvocate: when asked about sync rates, select the "medium" option, and tell it that you can get 1280x960 at 60Hz (try that - if you don't get a working screen, try 1152x864 at 60Hz)
[04:11] <devilsadvocate> ok. thanks LjL . I'll let you know if it works
[04:11] <LjL> and of course, select 1280x960 or 1152x864 respectively as the highest resolution checked, in the resolution selection screen
[04:12] <LjL> devilsadvocate: if you have previously modified xorg.conf *manually*, this will possibly wipe out the changes. but it'll make a backup in /etc/X11
[04:12] <devilsadvocate> no.. i made no manual changes this time. I managed to kill X last time :D
[04:12] <h3sp4wn> devilsadvocate: On i810 maybe you want the modesetting driver
[04:12] <LjL> devilsadvocate: you're comfortable with using a textmode console, i suppose, to restore it if things go bad and you don't get an X screen?
[04:13] <devilsadvocate> LjL, sure
[04:13] <devilsadvocate> np
[04:13] <devilsadvocate> h3sp4wn, what is this driver called?
[04:13] <devilsadvocate> in the list
[04:13] <LjL> ok then, play around as much as you like, as long as you know how to restore the backup ;) and it's nothing more than a "sudo cp" command
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting
[04:13] <h3sp4wn> !info xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting
[04:14] <ubotu> Package xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting does not exist in edgy, edgy-seveas
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> !info xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting feisty
[04:14] <ubotu> xserver-xorg-video-i810-modesetting: X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver (modesetting). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.5.git20061014.ac1-1ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 153 kB, installed size 420 kB (Only available for alpha amd64 arm hppa hurd-i386 i386 ia64 kfreebsd-i386 m68k mips mipsel netbsd-i386 powerpc)
[04:14] <h3sp4wn> backport from feisty
[04:14] <LjL> h3sp4wn: the modesetting driver? what does that mean?
[04:14] <devilsadvocate> hmm... i'll be upgrading to fiesty on wednesday anyway
[04:15] <h3sp4wn> LjL: you don't need 815 resolution or whatever its called
[04:15] <BluesKaj> devilsadvocate, why upgrade ...are you a developer ?
[04:15] <h3sp4wn> and if you switch from using the onboard lcd to another it makes that stuff easier
[04:15] <devilsadvocate> no BluesKaj , but i like the breakage :)
[04:15] <BluesKaj> :)
[04:16] <LjL> hm i guess there's something about this card that i don't have a clue about
[04:17] <devilsadvocate> the usual aspect ration is 3:4 right?
[04:17] <LjL> 4:3
[04:18] <BluesKaj> some of the new larger lcd scrns are 16x9 , but he std is still 4x3
[04:19] <devilsadvocate> i wont see changes in xorg.conf reflect until i restart X right?
[04:19] <LjL> devilsadvocate: right
[04:20] <LjL> devilsadvocate: and logging off and in again is *not* restarting, for the record
[04:20] <LjL> log off and then ctrl+alt+backspace
[04:20] <devilsadvocate> k
[04:23] <ubuntu> what is the command to activate swap partition
[04:23] <ubuntu>  /dev/hda6
[04:24] <LjL> ubuntu: sudo swapon -a
[04:24] <LjL> will activate every listed swap partition
[04:25] <willys_fueguino> hello, I need wom help here: the task-bar appears when kde it's starting and then hides and I can't get to it
[04:26] <willys_fueguino> *some
[04:26] <DSG01> hi
[04:26] <Jucato> willys_fueguino: press Alt+F2, type in "kcontrol" then go to Desktop -> Panels and check/reset the position of the panel
[04:27] <DSG01> what is better ubuntu or Debian ??
[04:27] <esaym> where is the defualt cgi-bin in apache2? /usr/lib/cgi-bin?
[04:28] <ubuntu> ljl i am using installation cd  i think that command did not work
[04:28] <willys_fueguino> Jucato: thanks...
[04:29] <ubuntu> i open kinfocenter
[04:29] <posingaspopular> jucato rocks!
[04:29] <Jucato> O.o
[04:29] <ubuntu> swap is not activated
[04:29] <lotusleaf> "Listen. Discuss. Learn. Ubuntu in action." http://www.ubuntulive.com/
[04:29] <willys_fueguino> the thing is that misteriously one day to another the panel disappeared and I didn't know why :-/
[04:30] <ubuntu> the command did not give any error
[04:31] <ubuntu> so will i have to start kde again to activate swap
[04:32] <LjL> ubuntu, well, the CD will only use swap if it detects there is a swap partition present, i believe. actually, it probably does weird things with swap
[04:33] <h3sp4wn> ubuntu is quite a lousy live cd
[04:33] <victor__> ?
[04:34] <ubuntu> it says not implemented
[04:35] <h3sp4wn> ideally you want the livecd copied into swap so its not running off the cd - at least kanotix / sidux does this
[04:35] <akrus> Jucato: could you help me with some messages?
[04:36] <Jucato> akrus: I can try. no promises :)
[04:36] <akrus> Jucato: any help will be appreciated hehe
[04:36] <akrus> [33450.560000]  attempt to access beyond end of device
[04:36] <akrus> [33450.560000]  sdc: rw=0, want=2128749, limit=1967616
[04:36] <victor__> hey
[04:36] <victor__> i need some help
[04:36] <akrus> this happens five times with different want=
[04:36] <victor__> i mounted a samba share
[04:36] <akrus> (that's dmesg)
[04:36] <Jucato> uh oh...
[04:36] <victor__> but i dont have write access to it
[04:36] <Jucato> sorry, I don't do hardware :(
[04:36] <akrus> that's when SD card is mounted
[04:37] <akrus> ok maybe another msg
[04:37] <akrus> Read 32 bytes at 1093349376:Input/output error
[04:37] <akrus> that's when fsck /dev/hdc1
[04:37] <akrus> with another SD card it's ok
[04:37] <Snake> Hey guys
[04:37] <akrus> on PocketPC/vmware+windows everything seems ok
[04:37] <draik> Hello everyone
[04:38] <draik> How is everyone doing today?
[04:38] <akrus> draik: seems ok :)
[04:38] <Jucato> hi draik
[04:38] <Snake> Who knows a thing or 2 about grub?
[04:38] <akrus> draik: and how are you? :)
[04:38] <draik> Hello Jucato, akrus
[04:38] <Jucato> akrus: sorry, totally clueles.. :(
[04:38] <akrus> Snake: for example?
[04:38] <akrus> Jucato: it's really hard to live without PocketPC copy :(
[04:38] <Jucato> hi Snake!
[04:38] <Snake> I'm trying to restore it after I just installed linux, but I dont know what to use for hd(x.x)
[04:39] <Snake> hey Jucato, how ya been??
[04:39] <draik> akrus: I'm doing well. I have Beryl on my desktop running smoother than silk and I'm in the process of successfully recovering my laptop to an older configuration
[04:39] <Snake> s/linux/windows
[04:39] <Jucato> Snake: doing fine. doing fine :)
[04:39] <Jucato> !grub
[04:39] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:39] <Jucato> Snake: you tried that ^^
[04:39] <Snake> tried it
[04:39] <draik> akrus: How about you? How are you doing today?
[04:39] <Snake> I get grub when I boot, but then it says the devices cannot be found
[04:40] <draik> Hey Jucato, I can't seem to mount my cdrom drive in Kubuntu. It says it's hdc, but it won't mount it
[04:40] <draik> any clues?
[04:40] <Jucato> Snake: that's when you've selected the menu entry for Ubuntu kernel?
[04:40] <akrus> draik: everything sucks, I cannot connect my SD card to Linux whereas Windows under vmware mounts it ok
[04:40] <akrus> draik: error messages?
[04:40] <devilsadvocate> LjL, no luck. Monitor went blank
[04:40] <Jucato> draik: you don't mount cd drives manually. they're automounted when you put in something
[04:41] <draik> akrus: Is it a known bug? I would go to http://www.google.com/linux and see if there is a known issue and fix
[04:41] <devilsadvocate> h3sp4wn, you were saying something about 815resolution?
[04:41] <LjL> devilsadvocate: tried 1182x864 too?
[04:41] <LjL> 1152 that is
[04:41] <devilsadvocate> LjL, i am going to do that in a little while
[04:42] <draik> akrus: The error message I'm getting is that /dev/hdc is not a device
[04:42] <draik> or similar
[04:42] <devilsadvocate> thought i'd google around a bit first
[04:42] <Tox> how to make gnome tray netstat tool visible on kde panel or tray ?
[04:42] <akrus> something new to me o_O
[04:42] <draik> I just popped out the CD that was in my laptop and popped it back in. I hope it reads
[04:42] <LjL> Tox: hm, i think it should be, tray protocol is standardized
[04:42] <Tox> twhat do u mean ?
[04:43] <Jucato> Tox: which means you can't use gnome panel applets on kicker (kde panel). and vice versa
[04:43] <marc__> hi
[04:45] <Tox> LjL: then can you advice me a tool to monitor netstat and directly configure network as it is on gnome netstat ?
[04:45] <LjL> Tox: i mean that GNOME programs that put icons in the tray should work with the KDE tray, too, and viceversa
[04:45] <Tox> LjL: yes i got it
[04:45] <LjL> Tox: dunno, knetworkapplet?
[04:45] <LjL> !knetworkapplet
[04:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knetworkapplet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <LjL> uh?
[04:46] <LjL> whops sorry
[04:46] <LjL> !knetworkmanager
[04:46] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 213 kB, installed size 1448 kB
[04:46] <Tox> LjL: :) tnx ill try it
[04:46] <LjL> but, perhaps that's not a tray applet... since i somehow read "applet" where it said "manager" =)
[04:46] <LjL> yeah it's an applet
[04:47] <Tox> LjL: hmm .. i can't find it
[04:48] <LjL> Tox: can't find the package, or can't find the program after installing it?
[04:48] <Tox> LjL: oh ...i need install it ? i thought it's default package
[04:48] <Tox> well .. trying
[04:49] <LjL> no it isn't
[04:49] <Tox> ok
[04:50] <craftycorner> having trouble burning cd/dvd's
[04:50] <craftycorner> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4127/  over look the ">"
[04:50] <craftycorner> that's what the log looks like
[04:52] <Tox> LjL: i found it on synaptic it wasn't instaled
[04:52] <Tox> LjL: tnx!
[04:52] <craftycorner> something is wrong with my buffer...i think
[04:52] <draik> Jucato: It won't read it
[04:52] <draik> My desktop will, but not my laptop
[04:53] <Jucato> oh...
[04:54] <draik> Hmmm...
[04:54] <draik> It says "No medium found"
[04:54] <draik> I placed a DVD in a CD/DVD rom... ???
[04:55] <craftycorner> did u unzip?
[04:55] <craftycorner> if it was downloaded, I'll bet my ram it was a rar or zip
[04:56] <craftycorner> oh crap, got to go
[04:59] <devilsadvocate> how do i change resolution from the command line? my kcontrol is messed up somehow :|
[04:59] <Jucato> !xconfig | devilsadvocate
[04:59] <ubotu> devilsadvocate: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[04:59] <ForgeAus> http://www.mslinux.org/
[05:00] <devilsadvocate> can it _change_ my resolution? i've just reconfigured xorg
[05:00] <draik> Jucato: Figured it out
[05:01] <Jucato> draik: wow that was fast
[05:01] <draik> Jucato: It takes a while, but the issue was that I wasn't fast enough to realize my mistake of idiocy
[05:02] <Jucato> oh? what was the problem, btw?
[05:02] <draik> The dvd-rom in my laptop is from 1999/2000... it can read DVDs, but has issues with DVD+RW
[05:02] <draik> well, DVD+/-RW
[05:03] <Jucato> aaah
[05:03] <draik> outdated tech
[05:03] <Jucato> :)
[05:04] <draik> I'm going to save up and buy my fiance a nice laptop and I'm going to put things on there that will ENRAGE her sister who just got a new computer back in November when I went with them to go buy their desktop.
[05:04] <Jucato> hah
[05:05] <draik> I really don't like the way my fiance's sister is treating my fiance so I'm going to beat her at what she thinks she's better at
[05:05] <Jucato> lol
[05:05] <Jucato> :P
[05:06] <BluesKaj> that'll just make her more angry
[05:06] <BluesKaj> draik, she obviously has something to prove to you
[05:06] <Minataku> !xrandr | devilsadvocate
[05:06] <ubotu> devilsadvocate: xrandr: X Rotation, Reflection and Resize utility. In component main, is optional. Version 1:1.0.2-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 9 kB, installed size 60 kB
[05:06] <draik> BluesKaj: True. But the point is that she will be stranded at home while my fiance and I go out at nights since her bf is now miles away
[05:06] <draik> BluesKaj: I doubt that
[05:07] <Minataku> Why nobody thought of that already is beyond me
[05:07] <draik> Goodnight Jucato
[05:07] <devilsadvocate> thanks Minataku
[05:07] <Minataku> np
[05:07] <BluesKaj> oooh, nasty nasty :)
[05:07] <Minataku> xrandr has saved me before
[05:07] <h3sp4wn> Minataku: doesn't work with intel
[05:07] <draik> Yes, I know
[05:07] <Minataku> h3sp4wn: It's pure X
[05:07] <h3sp4wn> Minataku: Unless you use the modesetting driver
[05:07] <Minataku> It works period
[05:07] <Jucato> night draik!
[05:07] <h3sp4wn> Minataku: Doesn't - and of that I am certain
[05:07] <BluesKaj> sleep well, Jucato
[05:08] <jamesarthur> are ubuntu repos just slow today?? i rebooted and they are still only 12 K.............
[05:08] <Jucato> you guys throwing me out already? lol
[05:08] <draik> lol
[05:08] <Minataku> h3sp4wn: Hm.... are you positive?
[05:08] <devilsadvocate> hmm... it outputs my resolutions. let me try the options
[05:08] <BluesKaj> thought you were gonna sack out , Jucato
[05:08] <Jucato> I said I was preparing to :P
[05:08] <BluesKaj> OK
[05:08] <h3sp4wn> Minataku: that is why 815resolution or whatever is needed
[05:08] <draik> well, we're preparing to boot you then :P
[05:08] <Minataku> Because I have a cheap Trident card in Piyoko here and it works just fine
[05:09] <Minataku> h3sp4wn: That sucks
[05:09] <h3sp4wn> Minataku: modesetting driver works fine but you have to backport it from feisty if you want it
[05:09] <BluesKaj> the capslock script is defeated after every apt-get update , it seems
[05:09] <devilsadvocate> 815resoluion is not in the repos
[05:10] <Minataku> h3sp4wn: Nah, I use Gentoo, I just didn't know that xrandr failed on Intel cards
[05:10] <devilsadvocate> !855resolution
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 855resolution - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <Minataku> Thanks for the tip, h3sp4wn, sorry for giving you crap about it XD
[05:10] <abattoir> info !915resolution
[05:11] <LjL> !915resolution
[05:11] <ubotu> 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2-4ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 14 kB, installed size 128 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[05:11] <abattoir> devilsadvocate: i think that replaces it
[05:11] <devilsadvocate> abattoir, yeah. found it. thanks
[05:11] <Minataku> devilsadvocate: If you have an Intel chipset then use that instead XD
[05:12] <Minataku> Otherwise xrandr should be sufficient
[05:12] <angasule> help! I need somebody, not just anybody! One of the accounts (only one) of another computer decided it doesn't like the keyboard, I can only write 'f' and 'F' (using the left shift only), keyboard lights don't work
[05:14] <Minataku> angasule: Check that the owner of that account didn't do something stupid like try to change his default keymap or something
[05:14] <Minataku> Other than that, check if "u" works... if it does, he's telling you something and strike the account
[05:14] <Minataku> XD
[05:14] <angasule> Minataku: hahahaha I'll check the keymap, my dad probably screwed it up 'accidentally'
[05:15] <Minataku> lol
[05:15] <devilsadvocate> 915 resolution dos dot work with the intel 815
[05:15] <devilsadvocate> does not*
[05:16] <jp> #mediaplace
[05:16] <jp> #aivanet
[05:17] <drkm> how do I mount a windows shared folder from ubuntu?
[05:18] <Minataku> Hey, what programs give access to Yahoo Messenger service?
[05:18] <Jucato> Kopete
[05:19] <Minataku> Jucato: You're like me when I say I'm going to sleep, aren't you
[05:19] <Minataku> lol
[05:19] <Jucato> yes
[05:19] <Jucato> I'm about to go really in a few minutes
[05:19] <Tm_T> Jucato: Yeah, sure you do.
[05:19] <Jucato> just waited for something to finish downloading
[05:20] <BluesKaj> Jucato, are you in SG ?
[05:20] <BluesKaj> or manila
[05:20] <devilsadvocate> Minataku, kopete, gaim
[05:20] <Jucato> BluesKaj: near manila
[05:20] <BluesKaj> right
[05:20] <BluesKaj> late there now
[05:21] <drkm> how do I mount a windows shared folder from ubuntu? ?
[05:21] <Jucato> 12:20 AM
[05:21] <BluesKaj> not too late
[05:21] <Jucato> for me it is :P
[05:21] <spawn57> it's only 12:30 ..
[05:21] <angasule> ok, I found out *all* keys work, but only in the keyboard repeat, that is, nothing happens on first press, I have to hold them down till the autorepeat kicks in
[05:22] <lameriuga> HELP, can somebody help me to install yahoo messenger on kubuntu
[05:22] <BluesKaj> what's the command to see the ntfs partition
[05:22] <angasule> I disabled auto repeat, and that didn't solve it (it just 'repeats' a single time, but I have a 1 second delay anyway)
[05:22] <angasule> !yahoo messenger
[05:22] <BluesKaj> lameriuga, try amsn ...it should work
[05:22] <spawn57> lameriuga: or you can use kopete
[05:23] <angasule> BluesKaj: amsn does yahoo as well? it's uglier than the original MSN anyway
[05:23] <lameriuga> spawn57:  on this computer will work more users
[05:24] <spawn57> lameriuga: with more than one user? kopete? as in more than one account?
[05:25] <lameriuga> spawn57: how to put on kopete for each account passs
[05:25] <lameriuga> spawn57:  I will use this comp on insternet cafe
[05:26] <spawn57> lameriuga: settings -> configure
[05:26] <spawn57> lameriuga: click on 'accounts' on  the left side, then hit new to add the account you want.
[05:27] <BluesKaj> you can use your existing yahoo login , for example "user@yahoo.com"
[05:28] <lameriuga> yes and
[05:28] <angasule> I have a particular account on a computer, in which the keyboard only works through autorepeat, upon hitting a key nothing happens, initially, until the autorepeat kicks in
[05:29] <lameriuga> spawn57:  and how to sign out, to sign in anther user
[05:29] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: there's always this if you want to use it: http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php
[05:29] <BluesKaj> !amsn
[05:29] <ubotu> amsn: An MSN messenger written in tcl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.95-2.1 (edgy), package size 2261 kB, installed size 7752 kB
[05:29] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: see the instructions on that page for "Debian Linux"
[05:29] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: it works on Ubuntu, though I recommend something else
[05:30] <lameriuga> lotusleaf: it give me an error
[05:30] <spawn57> change the account's settings.
[05:30] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: have you tried gaim? #gaim
[05:31] <lameriuga> lotusleaf:  no
[05:31] <BluesKaj> what about kopete ?
[05:31] <spawn57> he's using that now
[05:31] <BluesKaj> for yahoo
[05:31] <spawn57> ...hmm kopete isn't really designed for the whole public use sign in/sign out use
[05:32] <ForgeAus> has anyone here ever edited/added a wikipedia page?
[05:32] <ForgeAus> to en.wikipedia.org's wiki I mean
[05:32] <lotusleaf> ForgeAus: #wikipedia
[05:32] <ForgeAus> I know I come from there
[05:33] <lameriuga> spawn57:  yes and I need ymessenger for public
[05:33] <spawn57> lameriuga: i don't know one that you can use..
[05:33] <Minataku> Perhaps some kind of a read-only home dir for public accounts that doesn't save any data?
[05:34] <Minataku> Well, read-only would fail but...
[05:34] <angasule> Minataku: delete on logout or something like that
[05:34] <Minataku> I'm sure there has to be some way to set up KDE for public use, like wipe the directory Yeah
[05:34] <lameriuga> spawn57: i can use this  http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php but I can`t install it
[05:34] <Minataku> Then autologin after it's replaced as "public" or whatever
[05:35] <lameriuga> spawn57: I`am new to linux :)
[05:35] <angasule> I really need some help :( I have a particular account on a computer, in which the keyboard only works through autorepeat, upon hitting a key nothing happens, initially, until the autorepeat kicks in
[05:35] <spawn57> try downloading the debian file and installing it, it might work =S
[05:36] <Minataku> angasule: Sorry, that issue stumps me >.<
[05:36] <angasule> I'll go poke that computer till it gives up
[05:36] <Minataku> lol
[05:38] <BluesKaj> i wonder if that yahoo debian file will install
[05:38] <spawn57> damn that doesn't work, i just tried installing it heh
[05:38] <spawn57> dependencies
[05:39] <znugb1> how do you see quicktime movies in Firefox on Kubuntu?
[05:40] <steven_> can someone help me with my sound
[05:40] <steven_> its being weird
[05:40] <steven_> its like...overdriving my guitar when i plug it in..although the regular sound for music and stuff is fine
[05:41] <GiiX> how large files do the filesystem ext3 handle?
[05:43] <goodthing> GiiX: -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3
[05:43] <lameriuga> lotusleaf: can you help me to install yahoo messenger from  http://messenger.yahoo.com/unix.php
[05:43] <steven_> can someone help me with my sound? its being weird...its overdriving my guitar when i plug it in...although the regular sound (music and stuff) is normal..
[05:43] <lameriuga> lotusleaf:  i tried but I cant
[05:43] <lameriuga> :)
[05:43] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: you said you received an error, correct?
[05:43] <angasule> solved it!
[05:44] <lameriuga> lotusleaf: yes
[05:44] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: the instructions are pretty simple, the same for installing any .deb file manually
[05:44] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: I cannot help you any further, the instructions say it all, I have no experience with it
[05:44] <angasule> Minataku: 'slow keys' was activated through a gesture, I disabled it and gestures (and made fun of him while I was at it)
[05:44] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: in fact I recommend you use something else like gaim
[05:44] <angasule> thanks for all the fish!
[05:45] <lameriuga> lotusleaf: ok, where can i download gaim
[05:45] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: open synaptic and search for gaim and install it
[05:45] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: or adept if you use that
[05:45] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: or at the command line sudo apt-get install gaim
[05:46] <lameriuga> lotusleaf: ok, thx
[05:46] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: see #gaim for gaim specific questions, or #ubuntu if no one in here answers
[05:46] <lotusleaf> lameriuga: yw
[05:47] <GiiX2> goodthing: thanks :)
[05:50] <BluesKaj> ok, yahoo needs xlibs pkg in order to run on edgy
[05:51] <oem> ciao a tutti
[05:52] <oem> d
[05:55] <draik> !beryl
[05:55] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:04] <frojnd> \o hello :)
[06:05] <znugb1> how do you see quicktime movies in Firefox on Kubuntu?
[06:06] <BjoeHrn> Hey
[06:06] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[06:06] <BjoeHrn> Does anyone can help me to start gimp correctly? It starts after a system upgrade only with black windows
[06:06] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:07] <BjoeHrn> I get this error: http://nopaste.biz/?12104
[06:07] <BluesKaj> !quicktime
[06:07] <dvazquez> i am working in backporting nagios2, but i have a this problem
[06:08] <dvazquez> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${source:Version}
[06:08] <dvazquez> dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${binary:Version}
[06:08] <dvazquez> dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `debian/nagios2/DEBIAN/control' near line 6 package `nagios2':
[06:08] <dvazquez>  `Depends' field, reference to `nagios2-common': error in version: version string is empty
[06:08] <dvazquez> any clue?
[06:09] <BluesKaj> znugb1, the mplayer plugin handle squicktime , http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[06:09] <znugb1> BluesKaj: thank you!
[06:09] <BluesKaj> yer welcome znugb1
[06:10] <frojnd> Where can I find this plugin for firefox? Unknown plugin (application/x-mplayer2) this is when I wanna listen music (sample) through amazon...
[06:10] <frojnd> when I click on an icon of windows media player
[06:13] <BluesKaj> frojnd, same as above , http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[06:14] <jmichaelx> !compiz
[06:14] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[06:15] <theline> Hi... anyone know why KDE prints all apps except from OpenOffice?
[06:22] <Bon3-Crush3r> salu tout le monde je vien d'installer kubuntu sur mon ordinateur en tant que 2nd systme d'xploitation et je voudrais savoir si il vous ne conetriez pas un bon tuto pour commenc sous linux ??
[06:22] <redelk> Hi for all
[06:22] <redelk> someone from Brazil?
[06:23] <jhutchins> !br
[06:24] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br  ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigada.
[06:24] <jhutchins> Not a patient one I guess.
[06:25] <theline> Anyone know why KDE won't print in OpenOfice but prints all other apps?
[06:26] <lerva> just a little question.. how I can use konqueror as a root user?
[06:26] <jhutchins> lerva: Why?
[06:27] <lerva> just to overwrite my firefox bookmark.html with other one
[06:27] <lerva> I know how to that on konsole, just eager to know how to do it with konqueror
[06:27] <jhutchins> theline: Not sure, but I've seen at least one version of OO where you have to set the printer up in OO itself instead of relying on the one configured for your sytem.  It seems to me there's a utility to do so, it's in the docs.
[06:28] <jhutchins> lerva: Shouldn't have anything to do with root.  If it's "your" file, you should have write/delete permissions.
[06:29] <jhutchins> lerva: I'm not trying to be elitist or secretive with you, it's just that there are good reasons not to run any GUI thing as root, and if you need to do something as root, doing it from the command line usually requires a little bit clearer idea of what you're actually doing.
[06:29] <mce> can i ask you how to download install kde 3.5.6
[06:29] <lerva> the file I need to overwrite is owned by root
[06:30] <jhutchins> lerva: Hah!  See, you've already been running this as root that you shouldn't have!
[06:30] <lerva> and I can't do that... I can edit it if i right click --> edit as root.
[06:30] <lerva> I have already done something wrong? :)
[06:31] <lerva> my first weekend with linux :)
[06:32] <jatos> hey
[06:33] <jatos> I am trying to use a compile they uses LD (FreeBASIC), and LD chucks up the error cannot find -lc
[06:33] <jhutchins> mce: Somebody needs to update the bot for 3.5.6, take a look at this and see if you can figure hot to do it:
[06:33] <jhutchins> !kde-latest
[06:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kde-latest - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:34] <kristjan> is it possible to make my own bin folder in my home; so that I can run stuff that is there like I can do with /usr/bin ?
[06:34] <jhutchins> !latestkde
[06:34] <ubotu> The latest version of KDE is 3.5.4, and Kubuntu packages are available at: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-354.php
[06:34] <jhutchins> gr, not the factoid I want. sorry.
[06:35] <Eruantalon> Is there an irc channel for lirc somewhere?
[06:35] <jhutchins> Eruantalon: There is one, but nobody's in it.
[06:35] <phpnub> anyone ever have Xorg not create a cursor but still be able to use the mouse?
[06:39] <gan|y|med> hi
[06:40] <Eruantalon> jhutchins: How do I find out wether there are any plans to release a stable version anytime soon?
[06:40] <jhutchins> Eruantalon: I'd look for their web site.
[06:41] <Eruantalon> I can't find any good information
[06:41] <jhutchins> Eruantalon: Last time I looked at LIRC there wasn't much activity, it was pretty much up to the user to fix the code himself, but that was quite a while ago.
[06:41] <jatos> is their any Synaptic like package manager that uses QT?
[06:42] <jatos> because I find QT really irritating but I don't want multiple APIs in use as it slows down my system
[06:42] <Eruantalon> My problem is that in feisty lirc is broken because the current stable version is broken with 2.6.20 kernel but it IS working with cvs. But i don't think the cvs version will be part of stable feisty?
[06:43] <h3sp4wn> jatos: If you hate qt then use gnome
[06:43] <Eruantalon> jatos: adept?
[06:43] <jatos> sorry, I mean't to say Adept
[06:43] <anonymeeee> can anyone recommend a good antivirus for ubuntu?
[06:43] <jatos> please excuse mixing the names up...
[06:44] <hatta> use aptitude
[06:44] <jatos> anonymeeee: why do you need an antivirus?
[06:44] <nagyv> !antivirus | anonymeeee
[06:44] <ubotu> anonymeeee: antivirus is something you don't really need on Linux, unless you serve windows clients. ClamAV and aegis are decent linux virusscanners. Also see !linuxvirus
[06:44] <h3sp4wn> Eruantalon: 2.6.20 is not even released -
[06:44] <anonymeeee> I download files on my ubuntu box then transport them to my windows box
[06:44] <jatos> ah, www.grisoft.com
[06:44] <Eruantalon> h3sp4wn: Feisty.
[06:44] <hatta> I like f-prot
[06:44] <hatta> the linux version is free
[06:44] <jatos> AVG is a pretty good antivirus, with a Linux version
[06:44] <jatos> kk
[06:45] <jhutchins> clam's good.
[06:45] <anonymeeee> cool thanks
[06:45] <jatos> AVG has free Linux version, its just hidden away a little
[06:45] <h3sp4wn> Eruantalon: you don't understand what I am saying - they are upto 2.6.20-rc7
[06:45] <mgu> KDE 3.5.6 in Kubuntu feisty: how can I make Konsole use bash instead of
[06:45] <mgu>       sh? changing the command in the "Session" tab in the settings menu
[06:45] <mgu>       apparently has no effect.
[06:45] <anonymeeee> ya, I just tried to download avg, it's in rpm format
[06:45] <anonymeeee> I don't know how to handle that with ubuntu
[06:46] <nagyv> anonymeeee: I think you can find clamav in adept
[06:46] <nagyv> !alien
[06:46] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[06:46] <anonymeeee> thank you naguv
[06:46] <lameriuga> /.ame $$?*
[06:46] <nagyv> !alien | anonymeeee
[06:46] <ubotu> anonymeeee: please see above
[06:47] <leopartux> at the end i have installed kubuntu
[06:47] <Eruantalon> h3sp4wn: Linux version 2.6.20-6-generic is what i am running. Besides it is a bug in lirc as far as i can tell
[06:48] <phpnub> Anyone know why xorg wouldn't draw a cursor?
[06:48] <anonymeeee> !alien | anonymeeee
[06:48] <anonymeeee> ?
[06:48] <h3sp4wn> Eruantalon: It is unreasonable to expect people to release stable versions until linus has actually released the kernel
[06:49] <anonymeeee> !alien
[06:49] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[06:49] <Eruantalon> ah that is what you mean.
[06:50] <dettoaltrimenti_> I installed a theme, then stopped using it, but it changed all the font colors on my computer! how can I change them back?
[06:50] <Eruantalon> h3sp4wn: But anyways that is what I was wondering. Wether there will be a new release of lirc before feisty is frozen. It would suck to have broken lirc for 6 mount in (k)ubuntu.
[06:50] <anonymeeee> !alien not found at the command prompt
[06:50] <ubotu> alien: install non-native packages with dpkg. In component main, is optional. Version 8.64 (edgy), package size 101 kB, installed size 276 kB
[06:50] <h3sp4wn> Eruantalon: Even if its frozen - if a package is completely broken it can be fixed
[06:51] <johgli> Hi ich habe mir gestern den Nvidia-kernel installiert und wenn ich jetzt mit STRG+ALT+F1 in die Konsole wechsel ist alles schwarz, ich kann zwar Befehle ausfhren aber nichts sehen. Wei jemand woran das liegt?
[06:51] <Eruantalon> h3sp4wn: Well it is not completely broken just the support for mceusb and mceusb2
[06:51] <anonymeeee> what's component main?
[06:52] <anonymeeee> where's component main?
[06:52] <anonymeeee> what's dpkg?
[06:52] <h3sp4wn> !dpkg
[06:52] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[06:53] <johgli> Yesterday I installed the nvidia-kernel but now I can't see anything in the console (STRG+ALT+F1) anyone knows how to solve this?
[06:53] <h3sp4wn> !main
[06:53] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:53] <phpnub> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dpkg
[06:53] <anonymeeee> !dpkg
[06:53] <anonymeeee> !main
[06:53] <phpnub> anyone ever have Xorg not create the cursor?
[06:54] <anonymeeee> is dpkg something I need to install?
[06:54] <anonymeeee> or is already on my system?
[06:54] <phpnub> should be on the system
[06:54] <look2me> #ubuntu-pl
[06:55] <nagyv> anonymeeee: it is already on your system, but
[06:55] <nagyv> anonymeeee: you have to set up your package manager to look for packages in non-default repositories too
[06:56] <nagyv> !repositories | anonymeeee
[06:56] <ubotu> anonymeeee: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[06:56] <anonymeeee> bash: ubuntu-pl: command not found
[06:57] <nagyv> anonymeeee: you will have to replace/edit your /etc/apt/sources.list file, a quite good sources.list file could be found at ubuntuguide.org
[06:58] <nagyv> anonymeeee: #ubuntu-pl is the polish irc channel (just like this is the english one). write /join #ubuntu-pl where you write the messages, or just click on #ubuntu-pl
[07:02] <frojnd> why cdrom can't recognize data ond dvd..
[07:03] <frojnd> if I put it in with windows it recognize it..
[07:03] <frojnd> strange is that that's the only dvd that can't be loaded on linux
[07:03] <frojnd> :S
[07:03] <nagyv> frojnd: two possibilities, you did not installed the necessary program
[07:03] <nagyv> frojnd: or you just have to refresh konqueror (or change to another dir under /media)
[07:03] <frojnd> what do u mean not instal necessary program
[07:03] <nagyv> !DVD | frojnd
[07:04] <ubotu> frojnd: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[07:04] <thompa> Hi, I cant seem to get my printer to work, always worked before. hp 1018
[07:04] <thompa> !cups
[07:04] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[07:04] <frojnd> nagyv: DVD as rom but data is not video
[07:05] <nagyv> frojnd: then try refreshing the konqueror window or browse the other folders under /meda
[07:05] <nagyv> frojnd: from time to time I also have this problem
[07:05] <frojnd> I do /media
[07:05] <frojnd> and I see cdrom0
[07:05] <frojnd> but when I click on it nothing is there
[07:06] <nagyv> and you do not see anything else, like cdrom (without 0)
[07:07] <anonymeeee> no such channel #ubuntu-pl
[07:07] <nagyv> anonymeeee: there is, at least on my internet :)
[07:07] <anonymeeee> I followed the directions on the wiki to update my repositories
[07:07] <M_Fatih> hi, i need fiest fawn herd 3's download mirror... where i can find?
[07:07] <thompa> anyone can help me get printer up?
[07:08] <nagyv> !feisty fawn
[07:08] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:08] <anonymeeee> no matter, I can't speak polish no how
[07:08] <nagyv> anonymeeee: now you can try to install what you wanted (alien, clamav or sth else)
[07:08] <M_Fatih> hi, i need fiest fawn herd 3's download mirror... where i can find?
[07:08] <thompa> i added printer with cups, but cant print, test page or anything
[07:09] <nagyv> M_Fatih: thompa if we can help we will!
[07:09] <nagyv> !feisty fawn | M_Fatih
[07:09] <ubotu> M_Fatih: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:10] <nagyv> !patience
[07:10] <ubotu> The people in this channel are volunteers. Your attitude will determine how fast you are helped. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:10] <anonymeeee> thank you nagyv
[07:10] <nagyv> anonymeeee: welcome :)
[07:11] <drkm> can anyone recommend some bulk file rename application?
[07:11] <M_Fatih> but i need mirror, i' downloading sooo slowly
[07:11] <thompa> I think the problem is with foo packages, but I cant be sure I am purging them all correctly, Somehow I need to start over
[07:13] <nagyv> M_Fatih, thompa you can also try in the #ubuntu channel. Your problems are not necessarily Kubuntu related.
[07:13] <goodthing> drkm: krename or mrename does the job, last one is command-line
[07:14] <theshadow> is there an easy way to hope between window managers?
[07:14] <jordo23> Anyone know how to get a USB mic configured for Kubuntu?
[07:14] <anonymeeee> it's not so easy to install stuff with linux, but I'm getting the hang of it none the less
[07:14] <thompa> nagyv, i just happen to be in kubuntu is all
[07:15] <drkm> goodthing: are you good with krename, I am trying to use it but don't know how to do something I need..
[07:15] <nagyv> theshadow: what do you mean exactly?
[07:15] <gsasha> jordo23: Dunno, I have a mic (actually, a wireless headset) from Logitech, and it kinda works by itself when I plug it in.
[07:16] <antibody>  hi all one simple question! why isn't NetworkManager+gnome/kde in the CD default install?is there any reason?where can I make a official request to put it in it?
[07:16] <nagyv> anonymeeee: I prefer the Linux way rather then the MS one. You just have to get used to find almost everything at one place (Adept), but for this you have to set up that place first (sources.list). :)
[07:16] <theshadow> nagyv: well if I have beryl and KDE installed what if I want to swap between them?
[07:16] <nagyv> anonymeeee: btw, if you decide to download the rpm package, then I think it would be better to compile it from source if it is possible
[07:17] <jordo23> gsasha: Where do you adjust it?  In Kmix?
[07:17] <nagyv> antibody: probably you can do it only for feisty
[07:17] <nagyv> !feisty fawn | antibody
[07:17] <ubotu> antibody: The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[07:17] <antibody> nagyv: sure..I'm using feisty now :D but I think it's a good think to be "from start"
[07:18] <anonymeeee> is alien an antivirus program or something to help me install rpm?
[07:18] <gsasha> jordo23: yes, but you probably have to restart kmix after you plug in the mic
[07:18] <anonymeeee> how do I access it?
[07:18] <anonymeeee> !alien
[07:18] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[07:18] <leopartux_> i have just installad kubuntu . what is the root password
[07:19] <nagyv> theshadow: for the time being beryl build on KDE, so it is not really correct to say changing between them. When I tried beryl once there was a configuration utility, that placed itself in the system tray.
[07:19] <nagyv> !sudo leopartux_
[07:19] <ubotu> sudo: Provide limited super user privileges to specific users. In component main, is important. Version 1.6.8p12-4ubuntu5 (edgy), package size 161 kB, installed size 396 kB
[07:19] <nagyv> !sudo | leopartux_
[07:19] <ubotu> leopartux_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:19] <theshadow> nagyv: okie doke. Well lets hope for the best then lol
[07:19] <drkm> goodthing: are you good with krename, I am trying to use it but don't know how to do something I need..
[07:20] <nagyv> theshadow: I am sure that you can find some more elaborate docs in the wikis
[07:21] <goodthing> drkm: you can choose two different profiles, a wizard or the advanced one
[07:22] <goodthing> drkm: regular expressions might come in handy there
[07:22] <r3vo> how do i stop programs from putting files and folders in my home folder?
[07:24] <Dr_willis> r3vo,  depends on the program i guess...
[07:24] <Dr_willis> thats where they are supposed to put things.
[07:24] <r3vo> well can i make them invisible?
[07:25] <Dr_willis> the idea of a 'invisble' file is not really doable.. things begging with a . are 'hidden'
[07:25] <Dr_willis> but they are just hidden because many programs overlook them
[07:28] <r3vo> i guess i'll just create a home folder inside my home folder to keep my file folders lol
[07:28] <Dr_willis> keeping things organized is a good idea
[07:28] <r3vo> i tend to be a neat freak
[07:28] <Dr_willis> some people use their Desktop dir as their Home
[07:29] <Dr_willis> I have links in my /home/Userdir that point to my spare hard drives for extra storage
[07:29] <theshadow> So I installed beryl but ... I'm not seeing any change from KDE... and I can't seem to change themes. Would anyone have a suggestion?
[07:29] <Dr_willis> find a few beryl howtos/wikis and follow them
[07:29] <binks> i have /home on a separate drive
[07:29] <Dr_willis> you dont 'just install beryl'
[07:29] <nagyv> !beryl
[07:29] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:29] <Dr_willis> theres some other things ya need to do.
[07:29] <r3vo> id you start beryl-manager?
[07:30] <r3vo> All i have on my desktop is a link to my documents on the windows partition
[07:31] <ubuntu> hola?
[07:32] <Dr_willis> Hmm..
[07:32] <r3vo> ok I have an interesting question... I have kubuntu on this pc, ubuntu on another, xp on another and os X on another... and I want them all to be use the printer on my kubuntu machine. How can I gat thema ll to see it?
[07:33] <JorgeCHile> as it is the Spanish channel????????????'
[07:33] <nagyv> with samba
[07:33] <Dr_willis> !es
[07:33] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:33] <r3vo> samba?
[07:33] <JorgeCHile> thx
[07:33] <Dr_willis> r3vo,  samba and cups
[07:33] <nagyv> samba
[07:33] <florent_> bonsoir a tous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[07:33] <nagyv> !fr
[07:33] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[07:33] <r3vo> k i'll check it out
[07:33] <nagyv> bonsoir :)
[07:34] <r3vo> gracias amigos!
[07:34] <binks> er is that not spanish lol
[07:34] <r3vo> lol
[07:35] <firecrotch> !es | r3vo
[07:35] <ubotu> r3vo: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:35] <firecrotch> I kid, I kid
[07:35] <slyfox> What is Xorg ? in the Proccess Menu in KSystem Guard ?
[07:35] <slyfox> It is eating 56% cpu now ?
[07:36] <firecrotch> slyfox: It's graphical backend for Linux
[07:36] <slyfox> firecrotch: Any idea why it is so high at the moment? I have nothing in 3D running
[07:37] <MustafaTemizel> hi all. I'm using Kubuntu 6.06 Live now. I've SPDIF out but no sound. Could someone help me?
[07:37] <r3vo> Do you have speakers? j/k
[07:37] <MustafaTemizel> lol yes
[07:38] <r3vo> :)
[07:38] <slyfox> Firetech: It is quite now.
[07:38] <anonymeeee> still there nagyv?
[07:38] <ForgeAus> um try the mixer
[07:38] <ForgeAus> you may need to turn it off mute or something
[07:38] <nagyv> anonymeeee: yep
[07:39] <firecrotch> slyfox: Could be a lot of things
[07:39] <ForgeAus> (there should be a speaker icon - Kmix) in the system tray)
[07:39] <anonymeeee> sorry, slow learner I guess:-/
[07:39] <ForgeAus> for volumes, etc...
[07:39] <anonymeeee> sudo alien -d avg71flm-r30-a0791.i386.rpm
[07:39] <ForgeAus> spdif is likely to be one of the volumes you can set
[07:39] <anonymeeee> gave me an err
[07:39] <nagyv> MustafaTemizel: did you tried to play mp3s or something supported?
[07:39] <ForgeAus> at least for my sound-card
[07:40] <anonymeeee> Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package avg71flm: postinst postrm preinst prerm
[07:40] <anonymeeee> Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts.
[07:40] <anonymeeee> avg71flm_r30-1_i386.deb generated
[07:40] <ForgeAus> (onboard realtek)
[07:40] <nagyv> anonymeeee: I do not really now alien, sorry. I just knew that it exists, but prefer clamav.
[07:40] <MustafaTemizel> I'm using Kaffeine and watching DVB now
[07:40] <nagyv> anonymeeee: now you have to install the deb file with dpkg -i /path/to/file.deb
[07:40] <MustafaTemizel> video is OK but no sound
[07:40] <firecrotch> slyfox: Maybe a problem with whatever video driver you're using
[07:40] <slyfox> firecrotch: It works ok now.
[07:41] <firecrotch> slyfox: well, if it doesn't keep happening, I'd say everything is fine then
[07:42] <MustafaTemizel> card 0: CK804 [NVidia CK804] , device 2: Intel ICH - IEC958 [NVidia CK804 - IEC958] 
[07:42] <slyfox> Firetech: One very strange probelm I had yeterday was that when I opened Katapult, it would freeze and there is no way I could turn it off. All other programs worked partially because of it, even Terminal, it opened but I could not type anything in it. I tried to end session and relogin, but again, as soon as I launched Katapult, same crap would happen with it. Only after restart everything started working. Very
[07:42] <slyfox> strange.
[07:43] <firecrotch> slyfox:  strange indeed
[07:43] <Firetech> slyfox: check your tab completion...
[07:43] <slyfox> Firetech: tab complition? I am a noob in Linux, please tell me what it is.
[07:44] <Firetech> not helping your problem, but you're highlighting me instead of firecrotch all the time...
[07:44] <slyfox> *completion
[07:44] <slyfox> uhh sorry !
[07:44] <anonymeeee> I couldn't find any documentation on clamv
[07:44] <anonymeeee> dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[07:44] <anonymeeee> in the wiki anyway
[07:45] <binks> anyone no of a good tutorial for beging pyqt4
[07:45] <binks> beggining
[07:45] <nagyv> anonymeeee: close adept
[07:45] <anonymeeee> once I closed adept
[07:45] <anonymeeee> i get the error Errors were encountered while processing:
[07:45] <anonymeeee>  /path/to/file.deb
[07:45] <nagyv> binks: there is a link on dev.kde, if I remember well
[07:46] <binks> whats dev.kde an irc chan
[07:46] <anonymeeee> what's pyqt4?
[07:46] <nagyv> anonymeeee: instead of /path/to/file.deb write the path to the file that alien just created for you
[07:46] <nagyv> binks: a website
[07:46] <binks> pyqt4 is a gui builder for kde apps
[07:46] <binks> ok ill google it
[07:46] <nagyv> binks: I think dev.kde.org, but not sure
[07:46] <anonymeeee> how do I know what/where that file is?
[07:47] <nagyv> anonymeeee: I think it is in the same directory that you were running alien
[07:47] <anonymeeee> oh, i seee
[07:48] <nagyv> !tab
[07:48] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[07:48] <nagyv> !tab | anonymeeee
[07:48] <ubotu> anonymeeee: please see above
[07:49] <binks> no not dev.kde.org an google give pants results for it
[07:49] <nagyv> binks: http://developer.kde.org/
[07:49] <nagyv> binks: http://developer.kde.org/language-bindings/python/index.html
[07:50] <binks> cheers m8
[07:50] <binks> ill now read my night away:):)
[07:50] <slyfox> Crap, Xorg is still eating 50% cpu ! :(
[07:51] <jhutchins> anonymeeee: You should find good documentation for clamav on their website.
[07:51] <jhutchins> anonymeeee: Don't expect ubuntu to have re-documented everything.
[07:51] <firecrotch> slyfox:  Are you doing anything very graphics intensive?
[07:52] <binks> nagyv just what i neede thanx alot
[07:52] <slyfox> firecrotch: no, just kopete, skype, amarok, firefox, konversation, kontact and knotes and ksystem guard
[07:52] <binks> later all
[07:52] <anonymeeee> it looks to be working
[07:52] <nagyv> binks: you were really lucky, I was searching for it 2 days ago
[07:53] <binks> loool have you started it then or do u already prog
[07:53] <jhutchins> slyfox: skype, kopete, and amarok are all likely culprits, they tend to do background stuff.
[07:53] <firecrotch> slyfox: you do have a bit going on though... what are your system's specs?
[07:53] <Dr_willis> !find kcleansweep
[07:53] <ubotu> Package/file kcleansweep does not exist in edgy
[07:53] <slyfox> firecrotch: I think I found it, It is the Skype chat window ! ? Why though ?
[07:53] <anonymeeee> how would I ad my new avg program to my start menu?
[07:53] <nagyv> binks: I am an economist, and do programming just for fun.
[07:53] <slyfox> firecrotch: Intel centrino mobile 2.0 ghz and 2 gig ram and 128 video nvidia GO6600
[07:53] <jhutchins> slyfox: Is there an animation or something that's changing a lot about that display?
[07:54] <firecrotch> slyfox: could be a problem with the driver for your video card
[07:54] <binks> abit like me im a service manager for bmw and program in vb.net at work for fun but want to start in nix for fun too
[07:54] <slyfox> firecrotch: I think the driver is fin,
[07:55] <slyfox> jhutchins: No, no serious anuamtion, just animated smiles
[07:55] <slyfox> Skype sucks :)
[07:55] <binks> can i get konversation to quote peoples name when i reply to them in irc#
[07:55] <Admiral_Chicago> binks: sure just hit tab
[07:56] <binks> tab does nothing
[07:56] <r3vo> anybody know how to do video screen caputure in lunux?
[07:57] <KatieS> start the name binks
[07:57] <r3vo> tab is neat!
[07:57] <binks> KatieS: arr cheers
[07:57] <dddude55> boohahaha
[07:57] <dddude55> my network dissappeared lol
[07:57] <binks> oh i love neat tricks so i dont have to type
[07:58] <binks> right kids need to be bathed bbl
[07:59] <jaysims> I'm trying to manually install java and to do that I have to put in a password for su.  I just installed Kubuntu this week from the live CD.  What is the default password?
[07:59] <r3vo> anyone for the video screen capture? or am I going to have to hold my camcorder up to the screen.
[07:59] <Admiral_Chicago> jaysims: log in password
  "password" did not work.
[08:01] <firecrotch> jaysims: it's the password that you use to log in, not "password"
[08:01] <nagyv> jaysims: probably your the root account is not yet enabled
[08:01] <nagyv> !sudo | jaysims
[08:01] <ubotu> jaysims: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:01] <dddude55> jaysims: the default su password is your pass
[08:01] <dddude55> !quicktime
[08:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:01] <nagyv> dddude55: afaik there is no such thing as a default root pass. You can give a password to root using sudo password
[08:02] <dddude55> i see
[08:02] <Admiral_Chicago> no root by default
[08:02] <jaysims> my password did not work. I logged out and logged back in to make sure I was using the correct password.  It does not work for su.
[08:02] <main> hello
[08:02] <nagyv> !sudo | jaysims
[08:02] <ubotu> jaysims: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[08:02] <nagyv> jaysims: read the wiki please!
[08:02] <main> something must be wrong with me
[08:02] <main> arrgg
[08:02] <jaysims> OK
[08:03] <nagyv> !ask | main
[08:03] <ubotu> main: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:03] <main> how the hell do u change volume in kde?
[08:03] <main> i feel like shooting myself
[08:03] <KatieS> main same buttons as windows
[08:03] <nagyv> main: you mean music volume?
[08:03] <main> all sound
[08:03] <r3vo> kmixer
[08:03] <main> same buttons
[08:03] <main> where is that at?
[08:03] <jhutchins> main: You need to have kmix running.
[08:03] <nagyv> main: just as KatieS wrote it, there is a speaker in the system bar, click on it
[08:04] <underdog5004> main, under kmenu>multimedia
[08:04] <jhutchins> Or Alt-F2 kmix
[08:04] <r3vo> or go to kmenu>multimedia
[08:04] <main> i dont think its there
[08:04] <main> man
[08:04] <main> its not
[08:04] <main> lol
[08:04] <KatieS> nagyv: thanks for putting it in better words
[08:04] <jhutchins> main Alt-F2 kmix
[08:05] <main> doesnt work
[08:05] <main> getting run command window
[08:05] <anonymeeee> nagyv: avg isn't working....how do I know if clamv is on my system and working?
[08:05] <jhutchins> main: How 'doesn't work'
[08:05] <jhutchins> Right, put kmix in the run command, hit enter.
[08:05] <nagyv> KatieS: welcome :) but it seems there is some other problem
[08:05] <jhutchins> anonymeeee: locate clam, ps ax
[08:05] <jhutchins> sorry
[08:05] <main> still doesnt work
[08:05] <main> cant run it
[08:05] <jhutchins> anonymeeee: locate clam, ps ax | grep clam
[08:06] <r3vo> check if it's installed in adept
[08:06] <main> yeah
[08:06] <jhutchins> main: Open a terminal, try to run kmix in it, see what it says.
[08:06] <main> lol
[08:06] <knoppix> hay all, i have  a error 15: file not found after i select linux from grub
[08:06] <anonymeeee> it appears to be installed in adept
[08:06] <main> not fouund
[08:06] <main> ill check adept
[08:06] <KatieS> nagyv: I'm just surprised I could even begin to offer advice since I just got kub on friday night
[08:06] <anonymeeee> ok, what's the grep command to sift through all that to find clam
[08:07] <KatieS> nagyv: dude, nagy is my first boyfriends last name.
[08:07] <nagyv> KatieS: cool, just continue so! hmm, this is my last name too. Is he Hungarian?
[08:07] <jhutchins> Why would kmix not get installed?
[08:08] <main> i have no idea
[08:08] <main> it wasnt
[08:08] <main> im isntalling now
[08:08] <main> never had so much trouble trying to turn down volume..
[08:08] <r3vo> lol
[08:08] <nagyv> anonymeeee: grep will give you those lines of the output which contain its argument
[08:08] <main> k next problem
[08:09] <main> how do i turn off these password prompts that show up everywhere i go
[08:09] <main> ?
[08:09] <main> im logged on as admin but it still asks me for password everytime i try to change something
[08:09] <the_hammer> hi is there anyone here with pcmia wireless cards?
[08:10] <main> how do u turn it offf?
[08:10] <main> ??
[08:10] <BluesKaj> change what ?
[08:10] <the_hammer> hi is there anyone here with pcmia wireless cards?
[08:10] <the_hammer> ??
[08:10] <dma147> good evening...
[08:11] <main> like just system settings
[08:11] <main> it keeps asking me for the password everytime i try to chage things
[08:11] <r3vo> it there for a reason main
[08:11] <dma147> I only can find howtos to install (k)ubuntu on an intel based macbook... but I want to install kubuntu on a PowerBook G3 ppc... any links please?
[08:11] <BluesKaj> that's the nature of linux security , passwords are required for changing major settings etc
[08:12] <main> how do i get rid of it?
[08:12] <MrMagic> main: you don't
[08:12] <main> argg
[08:12] <r3vo> main use a shorter password
[08:12] <BluesKaj> not sure , i just type in the pw
[08:12] <main> yeah i guess i have to
[08:12] <jhutchins> main: What kinds of things are you changing?
[08:12] <main> it uses up too much finger energy
[08:13] <main> like my network settings
[08:13] <main> most of the system settings
[08:13] <MrMagic> you change your network settings every few hours or what?
[08:13] <main> yeah pretty much
[08:13] <jhutchins> Oh.
[08:13] <BluesKaj> well main, then you'd better get yer fingers limbered up if yer gonna use linux :)
[08:13] <main> arrgg
[08:14] <jhutchins> main: You're going through the system menu, and you have to click administrator mode each time?
[08:14] <main> pretty much
[08:14] <KatieS> main I have to agree with BluesKaj... linux is alot of typing get used to it
[08:14] <main> yeah
[08:14] <main> i jsut installed this last night
[08:14] <jhutchins> Is that kcontrol you're running?
[08:14] <Eruantalon> KatieS: If you want to do anything nonstandard anyway.
[08:15] <main> kcontrol?
[08:15] <main> its the system setting folder
[08:15] <jhutchins> main: Try this: alt-F2, type in kdesu kcontrol  and hit enter.
[08:15] <main> k
[08:15] <BluesKaj> he's using sys/settings jhutchins
[08:15] <jhutchins> Should only ask for your password once, you can make multiple changes without closing it.
[08:15] <nagyv> main: but the best thing in typing is that after a while it gets faster then moving the mouse
[08:15] <KatieS> Eruantalon: isn't that the point of linux?
[08:15] <main> k
[08:15] <main> thats better
[08:16] <jhutchins> The way kubuntu's set up though, you're gonna have a password to change network settings one way or another.
[08:16] <main> mann
[08:16] <main> whatever ill get used to it
 worked like a charm.  Thanks for the link.
[08:16] <nagyv> KatieS: it's just one of the points :)
[08:16] <main> this is my second day using linux....i need to start cramming
[08:17] <main> i cant even install a program
[08:17] <pirate-king> how do you change nautilus splash screen color?
[08:17] <pirate-king> hello
[08:17] <r3vo> I think there's a way for you to stay a super user for 15 minutes
[08:17] <jhutchins> main: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/DOS-Win-to-Linux-HOWTO.html
[08:17] <Dr_willis> r3vo,  sudo -s
[08:17] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:17] <r3vo> that shold help main
[08:18] <Dr_willis> r3vo,  some people argue that  staying super user for any legenth of time is  a potential security issue..
[08:18] <jhutchins> r3vo: There are a number of ways, but running as super user is not the way you're supposed to deal with kubuntu.
[08:18] <KatieS> nagyv: i love typing
[08:18] <main> thanks for the link jhutchins
[08:18] <r3vo> I agree.. I was looking for a solution for main's problem :)
[08:18] <main> im gonna need to memorize this thing
[08:18] <main> super?
[08:19] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: I believe -i is preferred.
[08:19] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  im old-skool and always install 'sux' anyway and use that. :)
[08:19] <lupine_85> does anyone know any decent GUI video editing apps?
[08:19] <Danker> Hi
[08:19] <lupine_85> I'm not after anything complicated :) just stiching videos together and stuff
[08:20] <main> hey umm wats the equivalent of "cd.." in konsole?
[08:20] <jhutchins> lupine_85: avidemux, cinelerra
[08:20] <Dr_willis> lupine_85,  the few ive tried have been lackin in ways.. theres kino. and somthing else..
[08:20] <jhutchins> main: cd ..
[08:20] <fdoving> main: 'cd ..'
[08:20] <Dr_willis> main,  unlearn your dos lazy lack of spaces habbit.
[08:20] <r3vo> lupine_85: kino, avidemux...
[08:20] <lupine_85> mm, avidemux I've tried and was crap :p
[08:20] <main> haha
[08:20] <lupine_85> will try the others, thanks
[08:20] <main> wow that was it a space
[08:20] <HymnToLife> main, cd ..
[08:20] <Dr_willis> dos taught SOO many bad habbits..
[08:20] <main> i had to keep closing console last night to go back
[08:21] <Dr_willis> alias 'cd..' = 'cd ..'
[08:21] <Danker> I my native language is not english... os could someone say what does "took on board a variety of influences"? I dont know what does mean "took on board"....
[08:21] <Dr_willis> alias '..' = 'cd ..'
[08:21] <jhutchins> Danker: Included, incorporated
[08:21] <HymnToLife> !offtopic | Danker
[08:21] <ubotu> Danker: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:21] <main> k
[08:21] <Danker> What does mean*
[08:21] <Dr_willis> main,  it pays to spend a few hrs reading some bash tutorials. :)
[08:21] <Danker> thanks :)
[08:21] <main> yeah this is gonna take long
[08:22] <Dr_willis> darn  alias '..' = 'cd ..'   wont work
[08:22] <Dr_willis> long? bah.. bash makes SENCE
[08:22] <main> okay next question
[08:22] <Dr_willis> alias '..'='cd ..'
[08:22] <main> how do i play windows media player embedded videos
[08:22] <main> ?
[08:22] <main> on websites
[08:22] <Dr_willis> heh - note NO spaces  _=_
[08:22] <nagyv> main: in firefox?
[08:22] <main> cant find the plug in
[08:22] <main> yeah
[08:22] <jhutchins> It's often said of linux that it has a very steep learning curve.  There are a LOT of things you need to know just to get started, but once you know them things just keep getting easier.
[08:23] <Dr_willis> With linux - you learn the fundamentals. :) the rest falls into place
[08:23] <jhutchins> !mdeia
[08:23] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mdeia - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:23] <jhutchins> !media
[08:23] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[08:23] <r3vo> yeh i need to find out how to learn these things jhutchins
[08:23] <nagyv> main install kaffeine-mozilla
[08:23] <jhutchins> !codecs
[08:23] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:23] <main> this shouldnt be too hard to learn
[08:23] <r3vo> does automatix incule these codecs?
[08:23] <Dr_willis> depends on what part you want to learn first.
[08:23] <jhutchins> main: Basically you need to have the right player and codec installed, and possibly a pluggin.
[08:23] <Dr_willis> Dont use automatix... just DONT...
[08:24] <r3vo> i did :(
[08:24] <nagyv> main then set up firefox to handle the mms protocol (links where starting with mss:// instead of http://), you can google for this
[08:24] <main> and itl run windows media player emmbedded videos?
[08:24] <ibert> hi! suddenly my I can't get my usb stick mounted. "wrong fstype, bas option etc." is the error message. kernel is 2.6.15.26-386
[08:24] <nagyv> main: yes
[08:24] <Dr_willis> theres no guarrentee that anything will play ALL .wmv file sunder linux. :)
[08:24] <main> argg...
[08:24] <Dr_willis> but with the right codec stuff installed.. i can play most all video files i find.
[08:24] <ibert> reinstalles hal &  udev, no result
[08:25] <ibert> any idea?
[08:25] <Dr_willis> theres wmv files that you DONT/Cant play under windows - without some Idiotic-spyware-virual-codecs installed.
[08:25] <Dr_willis> but we never go to "those" kind of sites... :)
[08:25] <r3vo> oh really doc?
[08:26] <Dr_willis> theres a lot of XXX wmv's out that try to force you to install codec packs that have spyware/worse in them.
[08:26] <r3vo> i suppose you should only browse these sites in lynx
[08:26] <main> ehh
[08:26] <Dr_willis> 'if you see a .wmv  - just let it be'
[08:26] <Dr_willis> "friends dont let friends use wmv"
[08:26] <r3vo> lol
[08:26] <main> i dont download wmv
[08:26] <Dr_willis> "wmv = windows munching virus"
[08:26] <main> but i wanna have option of watching them if there embedded
[08:27] <Dr_willis> ive gotten cartoon networks streaming stuff working :)
[08:27] <main> its irritating to see a big blank on a webpage that shouldnt be theere
[08:27] <Dr_willis> i cant think of any sites that use .wmv that way
[08:27] <binks> Dr_willis:  lol you not buting pista then
[08:27] <nuxil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BoU75XKaO8&mode=related&search=
[08:27] <BluesKaj> yeah, Dr_willis agreed, a friend had his windows pc totally unuseable after getting some of those files ...had to use Ultimate Boot disk to rescue the OS , then it had to be done in safe mode and that was a chore
[08:27] <binks> buying
[08:27] <nuxil> what kind og kmenu is that guy using ?
[08:27] <r3vo> what open codecs are used online?
[08:28] <Dr_willis> r3vo,  that flash stuff seems to be taking over...
[08:28] <Dr_willis> not sure what cartoonnetwork uses.
[08:28] <r3vo> flash is open?
[08:28] <Dr_willis> online sites dont care about open...
[08:28] <Dr_willis> they dont care about much of anything.
[08:28] <main> any of u guy have that novell xgl thing installed?
[08:28] <Admiral_Chicago> flash is *not* open
[08:28] <r3vo> lol
[08:28] <Dr_willis> name the open codecs out? i can think of.. like 2
[08:28] <nuxil> main, yes
[08:29] <Dr_willis> :)
[08:29] <Admiral_Chicago> you can create flash content on open presenter though
[08:29] <main> is it worth it?
[08:29] <binks> main i had it installed why so u ask
[08:29] <r3vo> i wish people would use open codecs more
[08:29] <nuxil> main, its fun..
[08:29] <main> not irritating?
[08:29] <nuxil> not for me
[08:29] <binks> i hated it
[08:29] <main> k
[08:29] <ubuntu> -] \'\
[08:29] <main> does it slow everything down?
[08:29] <nuxil> main, i get almoust 850 fps with xgl on my desktop ;)
[08:30] <binks> you can still turn it on/off if you install with beryl
[08:30] <main> wats ur specs?
[08:30] <r3vo> i use aiglx
[08:30] <main> nuxil?
[08:30] <nuxil> main, gforce 8800,, 2 gb ram amd 64 xp 3700+
[08:31] <binks> arr thats why our in nix then not powerfull enough for vista ;)
[08:31] <r3vo> nuxil: i want to know how to run beryl on an old pc
[08:31] <main> hmm
[08:32] <nuxil> r3vo, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BoU75XKaO8&mode=related&search=  this guy use a old pc
[08:32] <kareao> newbie question... how do I start kde? i tried to switch user, and it throw me to text based os.. how I restart kde? now using live cd...
[08:32] <r3vo> nuxil yeh that's what i was watching
[08:32] <main> seems like its running fine
[08:32] <binks> main i ran iit on a p4 prescot with 1gb ram and  ati9600  it was fine just not for my taste'
[08:33] <main> k
[08:33] <main> maybe ill try it
[08:33] <binks> kareao:  startx
[08:33] <main> as soon as i learn to install programs hahahahhaa
[08:33] <kareao> ok, thanks a lot!
[08:33] <binks> sudo apt-get your app
[08:34] <main> k...
[08:34] <r3vo> binks: sudo apt-get install your app?
[08:35] <draik> r3vo: Caught it before I did
[08:35] <main> u run it in the folder right?
[08:35] <AxlRose> can anyone help me with the mozilla-mplayer plugin
[08:35] <draik> I knew something didn't look right
[08:35] <r3vo> :)
[08:35] <main> crap
[08:35] <Admiral_Chicago> AxlRose: what is the question
[08:35] <main> k umm im getting no  compiler
[08:35] <main> everytime i try to run ./config on a folder
[08:35] <AxlRose> Admiral_Chicago:  when I try to watch movie trailers on yahoo.com all I get is sounds and no video
[08:36] <r3vo> i've never been able to compile programs ilke that :(
[08:36] <main> that im trying to ccompile and install
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> main: did you install build-essentials
[08:36] <nagyv> !build-essentials | main
[08:36] <ubotu> main: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[08:36] <main> yeah arg more installing
[08:36] <draik> main: Did you already do    sudo apt-get install build-essential   ?
[08:36] <main> i knew it
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> AxlRose: mplayer doesn't work irrc
[08:36] <r3vo> nagyv that'd explain it!
[08:36] <AxlRose> Admiral_Chicago:  it shows the Mplayer background..and where it's streaming from
[08:36] <Admiral_Chicago> AxlRose: give me a second
[08:36] <BluesKaj> main, cd to the folder first
[08:36] <main> iyeah i did cd
[08:37] <main> i dont think i have build essentials
[08:37] <nagyv> main: you don't have it installed by default
[08:37] <draik> main, without the s at the end
[08:37] <draik> main: do.....      sudo apt-get install build-essential
[08:37] <main> k
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> AxlRose: hmm, mplayer is the right player
[08:38] <main> resource unavilable
[08:38] <r3vo> i'm going to hang around irc until i know everything there is to know about linux :)
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> AxlRose: check out #ubuntu-mozillateam
[08:38] <main> exactly...
[08:38] <Admiral_Chicago> ask there.
[08:39] <AxlRose> Admiral_Chicago:  did u get a a video to load?
[08:39] <main> yeah ill run package manager
[08:39] <polo> Hi veryone!
[08:39] <Admiral_Chicago> AxlRose: I don't go on yahoo
[08:39] <anonymeeee> nagyv: I got an err trying to use clam
[08:40] <anonymeeee> root@imatech-desktop:/# clamtk
[08:40] <anonymeeee> Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:   at /usr/bin/clamtk line 22.
[08:40] <BluesKaj> ho polo
[08:40] <nagyv> anonymeeee: sorry, I don't know what this means, hopefully someone else will be able to help you out
[08:41] <r3vo> what's clam?
[08:41] <main> alright basicly
[08:41] <main> to compile and run an app
[08:41] <main> u do ./compile
[08:41] <main> make and install?
[08:41] <polo> i'd like to share some files with friends so i'm looking forward to install a ftp server, does anyone know one for kubuntu with a nice interface?
[08:41] <main> right?
[08:42] <r3vo> ./configure, make, make install i THINK
[08:42] <r3vo> ask someone esle :)
[08:43] <main> lemme try
[08:43] <r3vo> what you trying to install main?
[08:43] <jhutchins> main: Um, you really don't want to be compiling stuff the day after you start using linux.
[08:44] <r3vo> can anyone help me use samba or something else to send files to my printer over the network?
[08:44] <theshadow> every time I try to do sudo apt-get build-dep mplayer it says it can't find a package for that. Yet I have the Edgy universe and multiverse defined in the sources.list file. anyone have an idea?
[08:45] <KatieS> jhutchins: I did it
[08:46] <jhutchins> main: What is it you're trying to install?
[08:46] <BluesKaj> the shadow try: sudo apt-get install mplayer
[08:46] <jhutchins> r3vo: I'm at a bit of a disadvantage for walk-throughs because I don't have a kubuntu box here, but I can try to help you.
[08:46] <main> some volume app
[08:46] <r3vo> please i would love that
[08:47] <jhutchins> main: You shouldn't need to do that.
[08:47] <jhutchins> main: It's best to find and install the package built for kubuntu.
[08:47] <main> my laptop volume and mute keys dont work
[08:47] <jhutchins> main: That's a matter of setting up xorg to recognize them.
[08:48] <main> i tried
[08:48] <jhutchins> main: So again, what package?
[08:48] <r3vo> main you trying to install kmix?
[08:48] <main> no i have kmix isntalled
[08:48] <main> some know paackage
[08:48] <main> knob*
[08:49] <main> its supposeto be an easy volume control
[08:49] <main> k im over it
[08:49] <main> ill stick with kmix
[08:49] <main> im also trying to install a theme manager
[08:49] <main> but it says "cant find x"
[08:50] <main> after i do config
[08:51] <nuxil> anyone got "kickoff" for edgy amd 64 ?
[08:51] <Admiral_Chicago> nuxil: feisty does
[08:52] <main> is there a package i can get to icompile and install program easily?
[08:52] <revolution27> how to i get a black terminal background in gnome?
[08:53] <BluesKaj> revolution27, this a kubuntu chat , try #ubuntu
[08:53] <nuxil> Admiral_Chicago, do you think it will work in edgy ?
[08:53] <BluesKaj> we're 99% kde in here
[08:53] <revolution27> sorry... just thought there might be a few gnome people here too
[08:53] <revolution27> lol
[08:53] <plugs> !restricted
[08:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:54] <BluesKaj> :) np revolution27
[08:54] <revolution27> i'm setting up my dad's pc with gnome.. that's why
[08:54] <revolution27> i'm a kde guy too
[08:54] <Minataku> I know it's off-topic, but you all should definitely read this >>> http://www.research.ibm.com/gsal/tcpa/tcpa_rebuttal.pdf
[08:54] <BluesKaj> oh he would definitely like kde better ...iknow i do and I'm 63 and retired
[08:54] <Admiral_Chicago> nuxil: can't say, I haven't been on Edge in several months
[08:55] <revolution27> lol i thought gnome would be an easier to use interface for him
[08:55] <nuxil> Admiral_Chicago, where can i get it from?
[08:55] <jhutchins> revolution27: WHat do you need with samba?  (There's also #samba )
[08:55] <revolution27> who ever thought white terminals were a good idea? lol
[08:55] <BluesKaj> actually no revolution27, if he's used to windows , kde will be fmore familiar
[08:55] <nuxil> Admiral_Chicago, i wanna try
[08:56] <revolution27> weh gnome is kinda mac-like
[08:56] <revolution27> he seems to like it so far
[08:57] <BluesKaj> does yer dad use a mac?
[08:58] <theshadow> BluesKaj: Yes I have it tells me "Package mplayer is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package mplayer has no installation candidate"
[08:58] <revolution27> no... but... oh nevermind... let's not get into interface discussions here
[08:58] <Admiral_Chicago> nuxil: you could try to do apt-get install kicker-kickoff
[08:59] <BluesKaj> theshadow, http://www.mplayerhq.hu/design7/dload.html
[09:01] <BluesKaj> theshadow, you will have to add that repository to your sources list
[09:01] <apollo> hi
[09:02] <Minataku> TCPA is not the bad technology, Palladium is
[09:02] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: mplayer should be in plf if nowhere else.
[09:04] <jhutchins> theshadow: check out plf.zarb.org, pretty sure they have it.
[09:04] <revolution27> anyone use songbird?
[09:04] <nuxil> Admiral_Chicago, nop.. no such app
[09:04] <jhutchins> msg Minataku Off topic.
[09:04] <jhutchins> Oops.
[09:04] <Minataku> jhutchins: Please do not PRIVMSG me again
[09:05] <BluesKaj> yeah jhutchins , I
[09:05] <BluesKaj> i'm surprised he doesn't have it but it's unofficial
[09:06] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: License issues with the kodec, they keep it off-continent from us americans.
[09:07] <jhutchins> s/kodec/codec - I've been at this terminal too long.
[09:07] <BluesKaj> yeah, there are no repos in canada, which has no issues , so far at least
[09:07] <Minataku> jhutchins: And actually, it's technically on topic, since it's an important issue and part of why a number of people are switching to Linux nowadays
[09:08] <Minataku> It's very important to know what is what, especially when you're trying to escape from it
[09:08] <jhutchins> It has nothing to do with kubuntu support.  Please take it elsewhere.
[09:09] <jhutchins> go start #tcpa if you want.
[09:09] <Minataku> jhutchins: You are being extremely rude
[09:13] <BluesKaj> jhutchins, that plf.zarb.org is a mandriva site
[09:15] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: mplayer is in the repos
[09:15] <BluesKaj> theshadow, this site is also agood one : http://3v1n0.tuxfamily.org/dists/edgy/3v1n0/
[09:16] <jhutchins> BluesKaj: They do ubuntu packages too
[09:16] <dwidmann|sleep> ack, I feel like I must be feeling 10 orders of magnitude worse than awful :\
[09:16] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: they are in multiverse
[09:16] <BluesKaj> gnomefreak, apparently not in theshadow's sources list
[09:16] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: in ubuntu;s multiverse it is
[09:16] <theshadow> BluesKaj: ty
[09:17] <BluesKaj> maybe he has the universe  multiverse sources commented
[09:18] <j__> hello, I get "Access denied" when I try copy files to my hda1, what should I do?
[09:18] <revolution27> how do i find the ip address of this pc?
[09:19] <dwidmann> http://www.ipaddress.com would probably be a good start
[09:19] <revolution27> thanks
[09:19] <j__> found a thread at Gparted forums that said somebody had posted the solution at Ubuntu forums but I sure didn't find it
[09:19] <dwidmann> wait, that was it afterall :)
[09:19] <Minataku> There's also whatismyip.com I believe
[09:19] <revolution27> yeh... i wanted the local ip addy
[09:20] <Minataku> revolution27: Oh, on the LAN?
[09:20] <revolution27> yeh
[09:20] <Minataku> Go to a terminal and type iwconfig
[09:20] <revolution27> ok
[09:20] <Minataku> That should give you the IP
[09:20] <Minataku> Oh
[09:20] <Minataku> sudo
[09:20] <Minataku> Doesn't work as normal user, sorry
[09:21] <BluesKaj> theshadow :  kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list , the make sure there is no # in front of the sources that are similar to this "deb http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy main restricted universe multiverse"
[09:21] <revolution27> no wireless extensions
[09:21] <Minataku> revolution27: Doh, sorry again... my brain must be fried
[09:21] <Minataku> Type "netstat"
[09:21] <Minataku> The first set will have a field titled "Local Address"
[09:22] <Minataku> Ignore what's after the :
[09:22] <Minataku> That's just the port used for that particular connection
[09:22] <revolution27> ok i got it
[09:22] <revolution27> thanks
[09:22] <Minataku> np
[09:22] <revolution27> not i need to find the name of my printer
[09:22] <Minataku> Sorry for the braindead answers
[09:22] <[Don_Huan] > Hi
[09:22] <Minataku> Hi
[09:22] <revolution27> they're better than no answers
[09:23] <Minataku> revolution27: True
[09:23] <Minataku> lol
[09:23] <Minataku> And I eventally got to the right answer
[09:23] <Minataku> XD
[09:23] <revolution27> yep
[09:23] <theshadow> BluesKaj: Its not commented out, but I just decided to build it from source... I really miss freeBSD's ports collection :S
[09:25] <j__> about my hard disk problem, apparently the drive is mounted as root (I guess), how do I fix that? is there a fstab guide somewhere, I have no idea what all the options do
[09:25] <BluesKaj> ok theshadow did you add those sources  and sudo apt-get update , cuz mplayer should be available after doing so.
[09:25] <theshadow> BluesKaj: yes sir I did
[09:25] <theshadow> but at this point I'm 60% done building
[09:26] <BluesKaj> another tip theshadow , for firefox & mplayer , check this out http://mplayerplug-in.sourceforge.net/
[09:27] <theshadow> BluesKaj: yea I was going to look into the mplayer ff plugin after I got mplayer running ;)
[09:27] <BluesKaj> theshadow, cool , you should be good to go then :)
[09:29] <Admiral_Chicago> nuxil: then it's not in Edgy, it is in Feisty
[09:29] <Admiral_Chicago> AFK
[09:29] <nuxil> Admiral_Chicago, got a link to a feisty repo where it is. so i can dl it and try
[09:30] <j__> can somebody copy the line for a working mounted ext3 partition from their fstab for me? pretty please? I've been trying to make this work for like 4hrs now
[09:30] <jhutchins> theshadow: One of the reasons to stick with packaged files it that it makes the package database aware of them, and it won't overwrite them; it can use them when other packages want to call or link to them.
[09:31] <Minataku> jhutchins: Sorry, but I feel that occasional off-topic things which are important issues to the entire community as a whole are acceptable, as are completely off-topic serious news events which are important to everyone, as long as discussions about are taken to the off-topic location
[09:31] <nuxil> Admiral_Chicago, i found a i386 version of it to edgy.. but im on a 64 bit install.. and i dont feel like puting it in a 32 bit env
[09:31] <Admiral_Chicago> i run 32 bit for that reason alone
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> plus, parallel computing is better than 64 bit
[09:32] <premier_> The meter at the bottom of my screen says that my cpu is at 53C, and the fan isnt kicking in (im running a laptop)  I powered it off for five minutes, unplugged the power cord, but It still is in the high 40s
[09:32] <Minataku> Not to mention x64's less prevalent support
[09:33] <Admiral_Chicago> Moore's Law, but that's a conversation for #kubuntu-offtopic
[09:33] <Minataku> premier_: Mine (before I locked it on) used to kick on around 45C
[09:33] <premier_> okay
[09:33] <Minataku> premier_: Is it idling at 53C?
[09:33] <premier_> can I lock it on or something?
[09:33] <premier_> idiling?
[09:33] <Minataku> Or is it under load at 53C?
[09:33] <Minataku> premier_: It depends on whether the ACPI interface is known and a driver exists
[09:33] <Minataku> What kind of laptop is it?
[09:34] <premier_> well, I was playing homeworld, but I havent started that since I powered it off for five minutes
[09:34] <Minataku> Games will always drive the CPU temp up because the CPU is doing a lot of work
[09:34] <premier_> dell inspiron E1705, aka 9600.  Ive had some trouble with the acpi, but usually that fan works
[09:34] <premier_> how can I force on the fan?
[09:35] <j__> nm, found a guide that will maybe sort this out (not that anyone was answering in the first place)
[09:35] <Minataku> Hm...
[09:36] <premier_> its at 47 now, but before it got up to 61
[09:36] <Minataku> premier_: Yeah, usually the fan is completely hardware controlled with only software overrides
[09:36] <premier_> okay
[09:36] <Minataku> I'd say around 64C is the notice point
[09:36] <Minataku> 70C the warning point
[09:36] <revolution27> so i've been trying to network my printer. I went over to the other computer and added a new printer with the URI ipp://192.168.0.102/printers/photosmart and it doesn't seem to be working... What did i do wrong?
[09:36] <Minataku> 80C the danger point
[09:36] <premier_> I might have been to 73 before, but now recently
[09:36] <revolution27> that's pretty high
[09:37] <Minataku> Check that the fan hasn't failed
[09:37] <premier_> Will the BIOS menu have any info on this
[09:37] <premier_> How do I know if the fan has failed?
[09:37] <khatahn> hi, i just changed from CRT monitor into widescreen LCD monitor. what should i do to get the proper resolution for this? edit xorg.conf by hand?
[09:37] <Minataku> premier_: The only way I can think of at the moment is to take it out and hook it up to +5VDC
[09:38] <premier_> take apart my laptop?
[09:38] <Minataku> Which is a difficult task for a laptop
[09:38] <revolution27> or listen really close to hear the fan :)
[09:38] <BluesKaj> J_ will this help .. /dev/hda3 <mount\040point> auto users,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[09:38] <Minataku> !find dell
[09:38] <ubotu> File dell found in ntp-doc, xkb-data, xkb-data-legacy
[09:38] <Minataku> Hm
[09:38] <premier_> revolution27: No I can hear it pretty well when its running
[09:38] <Minataku> !search dell
[09:38] <ubotu> Found: ops-#kubuntu-offtopic, ops-#kubuntu, blender
[09:38] <Minataku> <.<
[09:38] <Minataku> !find acpi
[09:38] <ubotu> Found: acpi, acpi-support, acpid, acpidump, acpitool (and 4 others)
[09:39] <premier_> !acpi
[09:39] <ubotu> acpi: displays information on ACPI devices. In component main, is optional. Version 0.09-1 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB (Only available for i386 ia64 amd64)
[09:39] <Minataku> premier_: I can't stand Dell, so I have no clue how to/if you can maniuplate the ACPI on Dell laptops
[09:39] <premier_> pos
[09:40] <premier_> this laptop was kinda crummy in windows, and its linux support is attrocious
[09:40] <Minataku> Trash it and get a Toshiba
[09:41] <Minataku> Dell is lousy, they churn out cheap crap
[09:41] <premier_> ati graphics card, my intel dual core crash "Soft Lockup of CPU#0" about 1/4 of boots
[09:41] <Minataku> Slap it together with some duct tape and paperclips, sell it at 1000% profit
[09:41] <Minataku> That's Dell's strategy
[09:41] <BluesKaj> hehe Minataku , my daughter just bought a toshiba, and she knows very little about computers in general
[09:42] <Minataku> BluesKaj: She's either smart or lucky that she made the right choice
[09:42] <BluesKaj> the price was right
[09:42] <Minataku> Nice
[09:42] <Minataku> Toshiba isn't the cheapest but they're top quality
[09:43] <Minataku> You get what you pay for, but with Toshiba you get more
[09:44] <Raven301> I have not problem with my Dell laptop inspiron 1300 - Running Kubuntu edje with kernel 2.6.19.2-01 :)
[09:46] <revolution27> arrrgh i accidentally kicked the power button on my ubuntu pc, now it says can't access tty; job contol turned off
[09:46] <BluesKaj> Minataku,
[09:46] <BluesKaj> http://www.futureshop.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&MSCSProfile=3C79F0C7EA3162B29078EFCFF8C1FEE5A23B658FB6CD4503BF979262A5414AA8BA2DF5FBCE188246B866C41147856B04A2AD808E576093A38C85CD00F0EBDD91104553C42FF4B1051AD717F2DA3A2541682B53FB4264AA44A71F840C4B5D8FDB8A9A756FFD29F67C4CB1C636663487071EC6B1BCD79BCF94FCF1ABEA955CA66B8B08EF6227032612A6BE0AD2EDCE9354F7133463D725381A994C9C1F0B07F6DA4FB5D748D4CA499D6527B6788F3D61ACB107
[09:46] <BluesKaj> B2FDFF342E96EECAC68B53F9DC359907C1271774FF9012F265FA503AA879EC18895F3FC268F8E5FA739682FCA497&sku_id=0665000FS10080317&catid=#
[09:46] <premier_> Is there anything I can do so I can safely run my game again?
[09:46] <premier_> that was a long url
[09:46] <BluesKaj> oops sorry
[09:47] <Minataku> lol
[09:47] <revolution27> wow
[09:47] <BluesKaj> I'll try again with tiny
[09:48] <jhutchins> BluesKaj:Um, yeah.
[09:48] <BluesKaj> Minataku, http://tinyurl.com/2ul7tn
[09:49] <jhutchins> I think you get the best quality from linovo.  Compaq/HP is pretty good.  Winbooks are good deals for the price, but not as repairable as Linovo or HP.
[09:50] <ventrix> hello
[09:50] <ventrix> i'm trying to install xgl from this guide http://www.biodesign.com.ar/blog/?p=25
[09:50] <Minataku> LEnovo
[09:50] <Minataku> *Lenovo
[09:50] <jhutchins> Thank you, yes.
[09:50] <revolution27> ok guys, x can't start.... should I re-install it? and how?
[09:50] <Minataku> Sorry, my shift-finger is slow
[09:50] <jhutchins> Actually, when I worked with them they were still all IBM, so I have an excuse :)
[09:50] <Minataku> revolution27: Slow down
[09:50] <ventrix> when I'm trying to do "wget http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/1609B551.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -"
[09:51] <Minataku> jhutchins: Heh, I still think "IBM Thinkpad" too
[09:51] <ventrix> i get gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found.
[09:51] <ventrix> what can I do?
[09:51] <Minataku> revolution27: Check /var/log/Xorg.0.log for why it's not starting
[09:51] <Minataku> Start from the bottom
[09:51] <jhutchins> revolution27: also try startx from a console session, that will show errors too.
[09:52] <Minataku> Ignore anything about fonts or /dev/wacom
[09:52] <Wazzzaaa> i have also a problem with that ventrix
[09:52] <Minataku> Those are bogus errors caused by someone not packaging X11R7 correctly for Kubuntu
[09:52] <Wazzzaaa> when i do: wget http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/root@lupine.me.uk.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
[09:53] <Wazzzaaa> i get the error: "Cannot write to ***.gpg (Broken pipe)"
[09:53] <Wazzzaaa> anyone familiar with this?
[09:54] <ventrix> when I'm trying to do "wget http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/1609B551.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -"  I get "gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found."
[09:54] <revolution27> something about api mismatch.... the nvidia kernel module has a differentversion to the x module
[09:54] <Wazzzaaa> im using kubuntu edgy
[09:54] <Minataku> Ah
[09:54] <jhutchins> Wazzzaaa: Only to the extent that I know beryl is alpha software and pretty much expected to be broken most of the time for most people.
[09:54] <Minataku> revolution27: Which did you just change?
[09:54] <Minataku> The nvidia kernel module or X11?
[09:55] <revolution27> umm
[09:55] <jhutchins> ventrix: try doing it in two different steps.
[09:55] <Minataku> One of them changed
[09:55] <Minataku> Did you just do an update?
[09:55] <Wazzzaaa> does that mean that I have to try it another time jhutchins ?
[09:55] <Minataku> revolution27: Type out the entire error
[09:55] <jhutchins> Wazzzaaa: Seriously, that's the sum of my knowledge on beryl.
[09:55] <revolution27> yes a big update... I also installed the nvidia driver and i changed xorg.conf
[09:55] <ventrix> Did it already
[09:56] <Minataku> There ya go
[09:56] <Minataku> revolution27: Update all of Xorg
[09:56] <ventrix> but nothing happens
[09:56] <revolution27> how?
[09:56] <Wazzzaaa> ok
[09:56] <revolution27> this sucks!!!
[09:57] <Wazzzaaa> and could you answer my question please :)
[09:57] <Minataku> revolution27: Through the package manager
[09:57] <revolution27> k
[09:58] <revolution27> and that would be apt-get update?
[09:58] <ventrix> any suggestions?
[09:59] <revolution27> ?
[10:00] <dwidmann> revolution27: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:00] <BluesKaj> ok I've got beryl installed , but when i try to launch it from the cli after loging into Xgl it get this : Support for non power of two textures missing
[10:01] <revolution27> ohh... I get so annoyed when things like that happen so easily
[10:01] <nuxil> !kickoff
[10:01] <ubotu> Kickoff is a new KDE menu replacement developed by openSUSE. See http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2331
[10:02] <theshadow> Ok I did something bad but I don't know what... I just restarted and it didn't load KDE it just brought me to the console login.
[10:02] <revolution27> dpkg returned an error code...
[10:03] <BluesKaj> theshadow, startkde
[10:03] <revolution27> parse error in file /var/lib/dpkg/available
[10:03] <dwidmann> theshadow: well, X failed to start. type "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log" is where X's errors can be found.
[10:04] <dwidmann> erm, wow, nothing I say makes sense today.
[10:04] <Minataku> revolution27: Uh oh... that doesn't sound very good
[10:04] <revolution27> yeh it isn't
[10:04] <revolution27> are there any options apart from full re-install?
[10:05] <dwidmann> Minataku: revolution27: A type of not good I've never seen before
[10:05] <revolution27> sigh
[10:05] <revolution27> why?!?!? all I did was kick the power
[10:05] <Eruantalon> What is the simplest way to use samba securerly?
[10:05] <revolution27> why can't there be a repair button....
[10:06] <Minataku> I wonder
[10:06] <Minataku> revolution27: Slow down now
[10:06] <dwidmann> Eruantalon: erm, set up a password if you're worried about security with it, also set "security" to "user" or so in the samba configuration
[10:06] <Eruantalon> between two kubuntu boxes that is
[10:06] <Eruantalon> dwidmann: Well i've never been able to get anything but share to work
[10:06] <Minataku> revolution27: Type "sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/available /var/lib/dpkg/-available-
[10:06] <Eruantalon> it just access denied all the time
[10:07] <dwidmann> Eruantalon: and I've never bothered to use anything but share ... hehehe
[10:07] <Eruantalon> Well even that doesn't work now.
[10:07] <revolution27> with no spaces?
[10:07] <Eruantalon> Is share a security risk if no firewall is present?
[10:07] <main> hello
[10:07] <Minataku> revolution27: Then try to update again
[10:07] <dwidmann> Eruantalon: there is a firewall present, whether you like it or not.
[10:07] <Minataku> revolution27: Type it as it's presented
[10:07] <dwidmann> iptables.
[10:08] <Minataku> Completely intact and without "s
[10:08] <main> anyone know how to get streaming embedded .wmv videos to work ?
[10:08] <Eruantalon> dwidmann: Ok so no firewall activated that is not blocking anything
[10:08] <ventrix> when I'm trying to do "wget http://ubuntu.beryl-project.org/1609B551.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -"  I get "gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found."
[10:08] <main> cuz im been look for awhile and cant find a good explanation
[10:08] <dwidmann> Eruantalon: it's active whether you like it or not :P
[10:09] <main> ?
[10:09] <Minataku> If that fails then type "sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/-available- /var/lib/dpkg/available" to put it back then ask someone else because I'm just guessing here
[10:09] <Minataku> lol
[10:09] <Eruantalon> Is it wrong of me to try to use the samba module in kcontrol?
[10:09] <dwidmann> Eruantalon: anyhow, what I do for the sake of security is I disable erm, what would it be called, writing to the share?
[10:09] <Eruantalon> Yes
[10:09] <dwidmann> "People" can view my share, access files, but not remove/delete/add things
[10:10] <dwidmann> Secure enough for me anyhow
[10:10] <Eruantalon> But for one thing a need write capabilities for some users AND i don't want my files exposed to the entire internet
[10:11] <Eruantalon> are encrpyted passwords standard?
[10:11] <Minataku> They should be
[10:11] <revolution27> got errors again
[10:11] <Minataku> Storing passwords in plain text is stupid
[10:11] <Eruantalon> never mind. It seems that the standard button in kcontrol has no effect...
[10:11] <dwidmann> Eruantalon: not sure about for Samba. Linux passwords are encrypted in /etc/shadow ...
[10:11] <Minataku> revolution27: Just saying you got an error doesn't help us
[10:12] <Minataku> If you get an error, please tell us what the error is
[10:12] <Eruantalon> dwidmann: It is a little different when you send the passwords over the net
[10:12] <dwidmann> I do believe samba probably uses some sort of encryption, not sure how good it is.
[10:12] <Minataku> It's from Microsoft
[10:12] <Minataku> How good can it be
[10:12] <revolution27> failed to open package into file /var/lib/dpkg/available for reading: no such file or directory
[10:12] <Minataku> revolution27: Okay, do this
[10:12] <dwidmann> Eruantalon: if it's being sent over the net, it'd best be done in ssh/https/sftp or something
[10:12] <Minataku> "sudo mv /var/lib/dpkg/-available- /var/lib/dpkg/available" to put it back
[10:13] <Minataku> Then hang around because I'm completely stumped
[10:13] <revolution27> Minataku: i type slow.. that's why... i just warned you more errors were coming :0
[10:13] <Eruantalon> net/network/lan/wan whatever
[10:13] <revolution27> omg
[10:13] <revolution27> lol
[10:13] <Minataku> revolution27: Ah, I'm sorry then
[10:13] <revolution27> no you are still helping
[10:14] <Minataku> I meant for telling you to type it out
[10:14] <revolution27> i might just do a re-install since i only installed the os today
[10:14] <dwidmann> revolution27: I wonder what "sudo apt-get -f install" would do
[10:14] <Minataku> revolution27: Go for it
[10:14] <Minataku> lol
[10:14] <Minataku> It's easier when there's nothing to replace/reconfigure
[10:15] <revolution27> dwidmann:  nothing
[10:15] <dwidmann> revolution27: nothing good, or nothing bad?
[10:15] <revolution27> 0 udated, 0 installed, 1 not upgraded
[10:15] <revolution27> 0 upgraded*
[10:16] <erhanr> revolution27:  sudo apt-get install --reinstall <package>
[10:16] <erhanr> did you try it ?
[10:17] <revolution27> what package?
[10:17] <erhanr> your problem packet
[10:17] <revolution27> dpkg/available?
[10:18] <slyfox> Stable Linux Kernel 2.6.20 Released. Does this mean we will have an auto update or we will only see thin in the next Kubuntu ?
[10:18] <revolution27> anyone?
[10:18] <LjL> slyfox: the latter
[10:18] <Minataku> Oooooh... 2.6.20
[10:18] <dwidmann> slyfox: it's in Feisty right now
[10:19] <Minataku> Thanks for the news
[10:19] <slyfox> When is Feisty scheduled for ?
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> using it now as a matter of fact
[10:19] <dwidmann> slyfox: April
[10:19] <Admiral_Chicago> April 19th, tentative
[10:20] <slyfox> Ok.
[10:20] <Minataku> Or do it yourself
[10:20] <slyfox> Side question. Do you preffer Online or Offline Calendar ?
[10:20] <Minataku> I believe there's a guide on how to do it
[10:20] <Minataku> !kernel
[10:20] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[10:20] <Minataku> "if you're convinced you do"
[10:20] <Minataku> I hate that
[10:20] <revolution27> i got the same parse error
[10:21] <Minataku> revolution27: You will, I just wanted to put it back since my "fix" didn't work
[10:21] <Minataku> revolution27: Hang around and ask someone else, I have no idea how to fix that issue
[10:21] <dwidmann> Minataku: which also reminds me ... the old kernel howto was better than the current if I remember right, or, worded nicer at least.
[10:21] <revolution27> no for what erhanr said
[10:22] <vexx> does anyone know where could i find an edgy driver for audigy sound cards?
[10:22] <Minataku> revolution27: Oh, sorry
[10:22] <vexx> pls
[10:22] <revolution27> i'm so lost now...
[10:22] <Tm_T> vexx: Hm?
[10:22] <Minataku> dwidmann: Let me guess, all sorts of "you're an idiot for doing this" "why are you reading this" "are you stupid?" kind of things?
[10:22] <Tm_T> vexx: No dirvers already in edgy?
[10:22] <vexx> nope
[10:22] <revolution27> Is there anyway to re-install everything that was damaged?
[10:23] <vexx> it doesn't work
[10:23] <Tm_T> How it doesn't work?
[10:23] <Minataku> I hate how they discourage people from exploring Linux, but then again when everything is obfuscated to "just work" I guess they have to
[10:23] <vexx> i started the music but nothing
[10:23] <revolution27> oh i wish everything would "just work"
[10:23] <Tm_T> vexx: That doesn't mean there's no drivers. ;)
[10:23] <dwidmann> Minataku: yeah, those things
[10:24] <vexx> ok. i'll try to make it work. but i'm a newbee
[10:24] <Minataku> dwidmann: Compiling your own kernel is easy and fun
[10:25] <Tm_T> vexx: Aaudigy 2?
[10:25] <revolution27> should i re-install x?
[10:25] <revolution27> what is dpkg?
[10:25] <Minataku> It's really just an exercise in knowing what hardware your computer has and for everything else, reading the explanation
[10:25] <dwidmann> !dpkg | revolution27
[10:25] <erhanr> revolution27: what is your main problem ?
[10:25] <ubotu> revolution27: dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[10:26] <revolution27> my problem is i kicked the power cord and now i'm getting alot of errors
[10:26] <Minataku> His /var/whatever/dkpg/available is bad
[10:26] <Tm_T> vexx: Anyway, check mixer settings, kmix is one app for that.
[10:26] <dwidmann> revolution27: try this: dpkg --audit && dpkg --clear-avail && sudo apt-get update
[10:26] <Minataku> Thanks, dwidmann
[10:27] <vexx> ok thanks. it is audigy 1
[10:27] <Tm_T> vexx: Should work just fine.
[10:28] <revolution27> same parse error
[10:28] <tuxt3k> teste
[10:28] <dwidmann> drat
[10:28] <revolution27> near line 1
[10:29] <sdac221x_> can me how to modify the default system beep sound in xubuntu edgy ?
[10:29] <BluesKaj> ok, "Support for non power of two textures missing", this the message when trying launch beryl ...any ideas how to fix this ?
[10:29] <dwidmann> revolution27: last resort time indeed, "sudo dpkg --reconfigure dpkg apt"
[10:30] <sdac221x_> i meant can someone tell me...
[10:30] <revolution27> ok then
[10:30] <Minataku> Heh, I've had my SPARCstation 10 w/ NeXTSTEP/risc 3.3 running the starfield screensaver for the past 16-some hours
[10:30] <dwidmann> sdac221x_: I don't know ... I could tell you how to do it in KDE though ... hehe
[10:31] <sdac221x_> oops sorry just realized im in kubuntu room instead of ubuntu.   i can install the KDE system manger but i hear it causes some problems on xfce
[10:31] <dwidmann> Minataku: any reason why?
[10:31] <tuxt3k> salut
[10:31] <revolution27> ok dwidmann i got some output
[10:31] <cntb> transitioning existong installation from sda7 to hda7 thru acronis same layout different interface
[10:31] <Minataku> dwidmann: Mainly because I'm not using the SPARCstation 10
[10:31] <tuxt3k> where are other chat room ?
[10:31] <dwidmann> revolution27: oh?
[10:31] <revolution27> oh wait
[10:31] <Minataku> I just have it running that while I'm not playing with it
[10:31] <Minataku> BTW: NeXTSTEP sucks
[10:31] <dwidmann> tuxt3k: which one are you looking for?
[10:31] <Minataku> lol
[10:32] <revolution27> unknown option --reconfigure
[10:32] <dwidmann> oops
[10:32] <dwidmann> my fault
[10:32] <dwidmann> sudo dpkg-reconfigure dpkg apt
[10:32] <dwidmann> there we go
[10:33] <adaptr> tuxt3k: use /list - there are over 3000
[10:33] <revolution27> dpkg-reconfigure is not installe
[10:33] <draik> Ugh
[10:33] <dwidmann> revolution27: ??!!
[10:33] <draik> Ok. Now Beryl is getting buggy
[10:33] <revolution27> how bad is it?
[10:34] <cntb> grub-installed and stops at ALERT! /dev/sda7 does not exist. Dropping to a shell !
[10:34] <dwidmann> revolution27: sounds bad to me
[10:34] <ubuntu_> hay all having a bit of problem installing. When i get to prepare mount points, it complains about No root file system
[10:34] <cntb> BusyBox v1.1.3
[10:34] <revolution27> any more ideas?
[10:34] <dwidmann> cntb: have you rearranged drives or anything?
[10:35] <dwidmann> revolution27: ummm, errrrrrr, well, I might have one.
[10:35] <revolution27> it seems like i'm taking up most of this chat.... should we make a new chanell?
[10:35] <revolution27> what is it?
[10:35] <cntb> ty dwidmann same layout acronis does it perfectly for me
[10:35] <cntb> dwidmann:  winxp is up
[10:35] <dwidmann> revolution27: well, you need to somehow or another install the "debconf" package.
[10:36] <ubuntu_> can anyone help my install problem?
[10:36] <cntb> but in ubnutu must replace all sda s to hda's
[10:36] <revolution27> can i do that with the cd?
[10:36] <cntb> ubuntu_ pls chg nick
[10:37] <cntb>   /nick your-new-nick
[10:37] <OlgaB> brb coffeee
[10:37] <dwidmann> revolution27: Ummmm, well the live cd doesn't actually have the mini-repository of packages on it, it has a SquashFS file system that it uses ...
[10:38] <revolution27> oh
[10:38] <dwidmann> cntb: try changing the device in the grub menu to see if you can find one that will boot.
[10:38] <dwidmann> Maybe sda7 really doesn't exist is what I mean
[10:39] <cntb> dwidmann: boots but now stops not finding root FS
[10:39] <cntb> grub-installed and stops at ALERT! /dev/sda7 does not exist. Dropping to a shell !
[10:39] <dwidmann> cntb: you might need to change it in a couple places
[10:39] <revolution27> if you are helping me can you join channell #revo please so we don't take up the whole chat
[10:39] <cntb> also gives BusyBox v1.1.3
[10:40] <cntb> or PM each other revolution27
[10:40] <dwidmann> cntb: did you use a seperate /boot partition?
[10:40] <revolution27> well you can get alot of people in a channel
[10:40] <adaptr> revolution27: not unless your problem will be guaranteed useless to anybody else.. sharing is what it's all about
[10:41] <adaptr> revolution27: try to keep your response down to the essentials, and you won't swamp every body :)
[10:41] <revolution27> :'(
[10:41] <cntb> no separate home
[10:41] <revolution27> hmm
[10:43] <ibert_> hi! When kontact isn't closed properly, the inbox of my imap account is renamed from german "Posteingang" to the english "INBOX", and I can't synchronize anymore... any german speaking imap&kmail user in here?
[10:45] <leopartux> is there a root password for kubuntu. i have just installed kubuntu
[10:45] <cntb> !de | ibert_
[10:45] <ubotu> ibert_: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[10:45] <LjL> Ubotu, tell leopartux about root | leopartux, see the private message from Ubotu
[10:45] <dwidmann> leopartux: no, the root account is disabled by default.
[10:45] <cntb> !sudo | leopartux
[10:46] <ubotu> leopartux: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:47] <leopartux> thanks you all
[10:47] <dwidmann> oh why not, for good measure:
[10:47] <dwidmann> !kdesu
[10:47] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[10:48] <johny> hey, I have no direct rendering, already done what was to be done and still nothing. i'm using Kubuntu edgy with kernel 2.6.17.10-generic
[10:48] <plugs> Help, i just moved a bunch of files to "folder//folder" and now Konqueror can't see them!
[10:49] <cntb> johny what graphic card ?
[10:49] <johny> cntb: Radeon 9700 Mobility (laptop) 256 RAM
[10:49] <cntb> !ati | johny
[10:49] <ubotu> johny: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:50] <leopartux> system settings - personal - regional and language -     there are only 2 languages how can i add more languages
[10:50] <revolution27> can anyone crecommend any books/resources on learning linux/debian/whatever?
[10:51] <johny> cntb: thanks man, but ?.ve already done all those things from here http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Edgy_Installation_Guide
[10:51] <underdog5004> !ubuntuguide
[10:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntuguide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:51] <underdog5004> !ubuntu-guide
[10:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-guide - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:51] <revolution27> i mean the real nitty gritty
[10:52] <BluesKaj> johny, this one more helpful : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-c966b2cb7c82944d6883f27a2896725db3b90a3a
[10:52] <cntb> underdog5004: what are you trying
[10:52] <underdog5004> cntb, meh, I know of a guide for ubuntu, but I can't remember the url...it's the official one...I'm too lazy to google for it...
[10:52] <johny> BluesKaj: thanks
[10:53] <revolution27> I think orielly has a book on linux.... well a few... I might check those out
[10:53] <victor_> im trying to access my NTFS-drive from the cd but i get 'An unknown error occurred' when doing so from konqueror
[10:54] <johny> how to set konqueror to open a webpage on when its start?
[10:55] <johny> I didn't find this in settings
[10:55] <Eruantalon> Can anyone help me get samba to work? Or should I just give up and use nfs?
[10:57] <johny> is it possible to use hardware acceleration without the ati's proprietary driver, but using the open-source one?
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> johny: <= X850 == yes
[10:58] <Eruantalon> johny: As far is I know yes. But it isn't fast
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> Anything that is not X1000 + is fine
[10:58] <h3sp4wn> (except a few mobile chipsets)
[10:59] <leopartux> where is the folder of screensaver files
[10:59] <johny> but my ATi card is really difficult to install
[10:59] <johny> leopartux: KDE or GNOME?
[10:59] <BluesKaj> Eruantalon, smb4k and komba2 , will setup samba
[11:00] <leopartux> kde
[11:00] <OlgaB> back
[11:00] <leopartux> i am using kubuntu
[11:01] <johny> leopartux: try /usr/share/appInk/System/ScreenSavers
[11:03] <manu_> hi
[11:03] <Eruantalon> BluesKaj: smb4k seems to only be an smb browser. There is nothing for setting up the serve
[11:03] <alex_> so did anyone have any luck compiling the ipw3945 drivers?
[11:03] <manu_> someone can help me with this simple script?  it doesnt work -> bad substitution
[11:03] <manu_> im creating a superkaramba theme
[11:03] <manu_> http://paste.debian.net/21381
[11:04] <manu_> i'm a very noob in shell scripting
[11:04] <manu_> :/
[11:04] <OlgaB> brb
[11:09] <leopartux> johny thanks  i have just read your message. i was trying to find it.
[11:09] <manu_> leopartux: can you help me plz?
[11:11] <leopartux> i dont think so because i have just installed kubuntu
[11:11] <leopartux> i am trying to learn
[11:13] <alex_> so no one with intel pro 3945 here?
[11:13] <manu_> alex_: can you help plz?
[11:13] <manu_> dont know aht in the script is wrong
[11:13] <manu_> its in the line with echo
[11:13] <manu_> :(
[11:14] <underdog5004> alex_, hey, sorry about bailing...
[11:14] <underdog5004> alex_, no joy?
[11:14] <alex_> underdog5004: well, it didn't work
[11:14] <underdog5004> bummer.
[11:14] <alex_> underdog5004: the network manager didn't solve that
[11:15] <underdog5004> alex_, bummer...I'm out of ideas...sorry
[11:15] <alex_> manu_: sorry, I don't know what's wrong with that script
[11:15] <alex_> underdog5004: I wish the drivers would just compile :(
[11:15] <alex_> :'(
[11:15] <underdog5004> lol, are you getting errors?
[11:16] <manu_> alex_ if you copy the lines and create a .sh file my bash says bad substitution in the echo line
[11:16] <manu_> if i put the first line into console and press enter and then echo and press enter it works
[11:16] <manu_> there should be 1:2 in the output
[11:16] <alex_> manu_: I am not too good with scripting, so I can't help sorry
[11:16] <manu_> and other people sayed it works manually
[11:16] <manu_> but that damn script not
[11:17] <underdog5004> manu_, did you prefix the .sh with #!/bin/bash
[11:17] <underdog5004> or is it the other way around?
[11:17] <leopartux> there are only 2 languages how can i add more languages
[11:18] <underdog5004> manu_, in the beginning of the script, first line, it should say, #!/bin/bash
[11:18] <underdog5004> manchicken|away, or !#/bin/bash...can't remember
[11:19] <manu_> underdog5004: http://paste.debian.net/21381
[11:19] <manu_> like this
[11:19] <underdog5004> manu_, , or !#/bin/bash...can't remember
[11:19] <underdog5004> uh...h/o
[11:19] <manu_> :/ error in the echo line
[11:20] <underdog5004> manu
[11:20] <manu_> underdog5004:
[11:20] <underdog5004> uh...I don't know much about bash scripting...sorry...can't help you...
[11:21] <manu_> underdog5004: do you know someone
[11:21] <underdog5004> manu_, maybe genii, but he's not here...
[11:21] <manu_> in germany its 11:21pm i want to go to bed but i want to finish this script and its only an error beetween this two lines
[11:22] <underdog5004> manu_, maybe the semi-colon after the http:// line
[11:22] <manu_> underdog5004: m
[11:22] <underdog5004> that's all I can see...seems like
[11:23] <underdog5004> ; is only for C and C++...I'm probably wrong, though
[11:23] <dwidmann> You're wrong
[11:23] <underdog5004> I knew it...darn!
[11:23] <manu_> dwidmann:  me?
[11:23] <dwidmann> No, underdog5004
[11:23] <manu_> can you help? :)
[11:23] <manu_> it would be great
[11:24] <Red_Herring> go bears.
[11:24] <dwidmann> perhaps, I'm looking at it, the whole german thing is throwing me off a bit though
[11:24] <underdog5004> manu_, what's the script supposed to do?
[11:24] <dwidmann> the only thing I'm wondering about at the moment, is the colons in the echo line
[11:25] <manu_> underdog5004: you know perhaps the live ticker of your favorite soccer team
[11:25] <underdog5004> gotcha
[11:25] <manu_> the script gets the html file of my favorite team where the current goals are shown and ctaches it
[11:26] <manu_> my aim is to biuld it in a superkaramba theme
[11:26] <manu_> dwidmann: why?
[11:26] <dwidmann> manu_ try this: http://paste.debian.net/21383
[11:26] <manu_> i found this commands in the net and changed them to match my wishes
[11:27] <narcosis> hey, how do i install drivers for my soundblaster x-fi sound card?
[11:27] <dwidmann> narcosis: short story is, you don't, IIRC
[11:27] <crimsun> and you won't.
[11:27] <crimsun> not for a good. long. while.
[11:27] <narcosis> oh.
[11:27] <narcosis> so uh
[11:28] <narcosis> do i have to use onboard sound?
[11:28] <johny> narcosis: try to go on the producer's webpage and find some info there
[11:28] <dwidmann> narcosis: that or buy yourself a supported sound card
[11:29] <narcosis> k thanks
[11:29] <manu_> dwidmann: now does it work but 33:3 says that i only want to geht the letters between letter 33 and letter 36
[11:29] <manu_> and that would be 2:1
[11:29] <narcosis> oh and also, i tried installing nvidia linux display drivers but it told me to turn off X
[11:29] <manu_> so i get <td class="ticker_ergebnis">2:1</td>
[11:29] <manu_> of the html file
[11:29] <narcosis> so i ran it in CLI
[11:29] <dwidmann> manu: hmmmmm
[11:30] <narcosis> and it says something about having no kernel
[11:30] <manu_> and this html tags dont look nice in superkaramba
[11:30] <manu_> manually it works
[11:30] <dwidmann> manu_: try tacking it on the 33:36 onto what I pasted a few minutes ago
[11:30] <manu_> dwidmann try this 2 lines manually and with shell script you see manually it works in script not
[11:30] <dwidmann> will it work?
[11:30] <manu_> only without 33:3
[11:31] <dwidmann> Hmm
[11:31] <manu_> dwidmann:  <td class="ticker_ergebnis">2:1</td>:33:3
[11:31] <manu_> no it adds it only
[11:32] <alex_> underdog5004: LOL, dude
[11:32] <underdog5004> alex_, huh?
[11:32] <alex_> underdog5004: the drivers come pre-installed with edgy.... ahahahahaahah
[11:32] <underdog5004> alex_, omfg!
[11:32] <alex_> underdog5004: wireless intel pro 3945abg
[11:32] <anonymeeee> !azureus
[11:32] <ubotu> azureus is a popular bittorent client written in Java, installation instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AzureusHowTo
[11:32] <alex_> underdog5004: I can't beleive this, I couldn't find that info even in google
[11:32] <alex_> underdog5004: lol, all that was missing was the daemon... and that's all
[11:33] <alex_> underdog5004: sweet, wireless works now... woohoo
[11:33] <underdog5004> alex_, so it's working now!
[11:33] <underdog5004> yay!
[11:33] <underdog5004> alex_, doesn't it feel good knowing you _made_ your computer work the way you want it to?
[11:33] <alex_> haha, for future adventurers, let them know that the drivers are preinstalled on edgy
[11:33] <alex_> underdog5004: ohhh yeaaaaa
[11:33] <cgreer> Hello everyone!
[11:33] <alex_> underdog5004: especially in linux
[11:33] <alex_> :D
[11:33] <cgreer> yeah for ubuntu
[11:34] <dwidmann> I think I've figured it out .... hmm, one sec manu_
[11:34] <manu_> dwidmann: wow cool :)
[11:34] <JRH3K5> I've just done cp -R ~/* /media/hda4/.  Within ~/ are symbolic links to /media/hdc1 - is there a way to confirm that the contents of /media/hdc1 were copied to /media/hda4, and not just a symbolic link to /media/hdc1?
[11:35] <dwidmann> figured something out anyway
[11:35] <ssmasud__> any NS2 experts over here?
[11:36] <manu_> dwidmann: i'm excited
[11:36] <dwidmann> manu_: if only this would work better .. I'm failing at testing because it's failing to fetch the file
[11:37] <alex_> test
[11:37] <alex_> w00t
[11:37] <alex_> :(
[11:37] <alex_> test
[11:38] <manu_> dwidmann: which file?
[11:38] <underdog5004> yay
[11:38] <underdog5004> alex_ made it!
[11:38] <alex_> yep
[11:38] <dwidmann> manu_: the one it fetches with wget ... it's just sitting here on "connecting"
[11:38] <manu_> dwidmann: here it works
[11:38] <dwidmann> come to think of it manu_, I probably have that port blocked or something
[11:39] <alex_> underdog5004: haha, now I just need to write a program that takes over the world, and I am all set
[11:39] <manu_> dwidmann: hm... its just a internetsite
[11:39] <dwidmann> yep, that was it
[11:39] <manu_> put it in your browser and get it manually
[11:39] <underdog5004> step 1: get wireless working
[11:39] <underdog5004> step 2: ???
[11:39] <underdog5004> step 3: Profit!
[11:39] <ootinyoo> I downloaded ubuntu 6.10 and can't get my comp to boot it....any ideas
[11:40] <alex_> step 4: take over the world
[11:40] <jarn> I heard that amarok 1.4.5 is coming out today, does anyone know if that's true?
[11:40] <underdog5004> ootinyoo, did you burn the iso as an iso and not as a file?
[11:40] <dwidmann> manu: in the script, the port is specified, note the :81 in the URL
[11:40] <dwidmann> jarn: I don't know, why not check amarok.kde.org?
[11:41] <ootinyoo> not sure underdog...will have to look....but pretty sure as an iso
[11:41] <jarn> dwidmann: I did, it doesn't say anything.
[11:41] <underdog5004> ootinyoo, what did you use to burn it?
[11:41] <manu_> dwidmann: hm so you cant help me?
[11:41] <manu_> because of the port
[11:42] <manu_> i upload you the source of the site? so you can delete the part with wget?
[11:42] <alex_> how do I add the knetworkmanager to startup programs?
[11:42] <manu_> dwidmann: http://paste.debian.net/21385
[11:42] <alex_> where is it located?
[11:43] <dwidmann> manu: I'll be a few minutes
[11:43] <ootinyoo> under dog....you mean what kind of disk?  or program?
[11:43] <dwidmann> jarn: well, not like it'll hurt to wait, I'll check something for you though
[11:43] <alex_> ln -s knetworkmanager ~/.kde/Autostart/knetworkmanager.... let me guess that's not going to work is it?
[11:43] <alex_> I need the full path right?
[11:43] <narcosis> how do i use ./configure to install?
[11:44] <manu_> dwidmann: okay i will be only till 12 o clock, but then i have to get a bit of slepp
[11:44] <manu_> *sleep
[11:44] <manu_> its nice that you help me
[11:44] <alex_> ahhh, I think I foudn it, /usr/bin/knetworkmanager
[11:44] <underdog5004> ootinyoo, I prefer Alex Fienmans Isorecorder (google for it) to burn isos. If you are sure you burnt it correctly, go into your bios (you'll need to hit a certain key on boot, like F1, tab, delete) and make sure the boot order is correct. You want IDE/ATAPI cdrom drive to be ahead of Hard drive
[11:45] <dwidmann> manu_: and when will 12 be? It's only 5:46 here
[11:46] <dwidmann> manu_I've found the problem
[11:46] <underdog5004> randomly, kaffeine will refuse to play files that I access remotely from my server.
[11:46] <underdog5004> It says that xiine doesn't have the right plugin.
[11:46] <underdog5004> weird...
[11:46] <dwidmann> change 33:3 to 29:3
[11:47] <underdog5004> or rather, No plugin found to handle this resources
[11:47] <dwidmann> wait, that's not right either :\
[11:47] <dominic_> virtualbox anyone?
[11:47] <dwidmann> gah
[11:48] <dwidmann> and now it has the nerve to work
[11:48] <underdog5004> ride the split
[11:48] <dwidmann> manu_: KSC_TICKER="$(wget -A 'html' -O 'ksc_ticker.txt' http://ticker.ksc.de:81/ticker.html; cat ksc_ticker.txt | sed -n '14p')"  && echo ${KSC_TICKER:33:3}
[11:49] <dwidmann> exactly as is seems to work .... that was frustrating
[11:51] <manu_> dwidmann: here it doesnt work
[11:52] <manu_> what have you changed also? i try it in a *.sh data
[11:52] <manu_> dwidmann: in console it dows work
[11:52] <manu_> *does
[11:52] <dwidmann> I'm just running it in the shell for now ... or is this wrong .... oh, it is :\
[11:52] <dwidmann> one sec while I turn it into a script and try again
[11:53] <manu_> dwidmann: in my shell it runs also perfectly but not in a *.sh file
[11:53] <manu_> :/
[11:53] <tanlaan> hello everyone
[11:53] <dominic_> hallo tanlan
[11:54] <underdog5004> randomly, kaffeine will refuse to play files that I access remotely from my server.
[11:54] <underdog5004> or rather, No plugin found to handle this resources
[11:54] <ootinyoo> not sure underdog...will have to look....but pretty sure as an iso
[11:54] <underdog5004> It says that xiine doesn't have the right plugin.
[11:55] <johann> you have to mount your "remote files"
[11:55] <underdog5004> johann, they are mounted...
[11:55] <dwidmann> manu_: it seems to be working here, though i would like to quiet down wget, and it just doesn't seem to want to listen
[11:56] <gaytan> hola
[11:56] <LjL> !es
[11:56] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:56] <manu_> dows it really worh as abash script file?
[11:56] <tanlaan> I've just made my computer resemble windows vista, which makes it look pretty slick, but I was wondering if anyone knew of ways to change the splash screen, the shutdown splash screen *i think they are the same*, and if there is any way to change it, right after the log on screen there is a pop up showing that things like nautilus and etc. are loading
[11:56] <johann> underdog5004
[11:56] <ootinyoo> I put the DVD+RW  in and it says it is an ISO Image file
[11:56] <johann> underdog5004
[11:56] <johann> ?samba
[11:57] <dwidmann> manu_: I've got it
[11:57] <underdog5004> johann, yes?
[11:57] <underdog5004> They are mounted on my server
[11:57] <kelevra> hola
[11:57] <ootinyoo> The error says ----> Disk failure.
[11:58] <johann> ok, but you have to mount it on you computer where you want to play them
[11:58] <manu_> dwidmann: 8-) show me! :)
[11:58] <underdog5004> johann, but I've been able to listen to them w/o anything special...I just type in ftp://192.168.1.104/rtorrent/downloads in the playlist field in Kaffeine
[11:59] <dwidmann> manu_: http://paste.debian.net/21388
[11:59] <underdog5004> johann, then I'm able to browse my music and pull it over song by song
[12:00] <kelevra> hola hay alguien en casa
[12:00] <leopartux> i can not connect internet from konqueror bu i can connect from this program
[12:00] <underdog5004> !es
[12:00] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:00] <johann> hmm
[12:00] <johann> does kaffeine work with local files
[12:00] <K`zan> Hi folks, trying to copy a document with xsane, it apparently wants lpr but I have cups, anyone know how I can get this to print to cups?
[12:01] <underdog5004> leopartux, puedes ir al canal de #kubuntu-es como esta: /join #kubuntu-es
[12:01] <leopartux> i can not speak spanish
[12:01] <manu_> dwidmann: also get substition bug
[12:02] <kelevra> saoy nuevo
[12:02] <manu_> i go now
[12:02] <stdin> K`zan: lpr uses cups
[12:02] <manu_> but thank you very much
[12:02] <kelevra> soy nuevo
[12:02] <LjL> kelevra: escrive /join #ubuntu-es
[12:02] <dwidmann> manu_: that's weird, it worked flawlessly for me ...
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> lpr uses lpd (at least here)
[12:02] <h3sp4wn> nothing to do with cups
[12:02] <manu_> i come perhaps tomorrow
[12:02] <underdog5004> kele, puedes ir al canal de #kubuntu-es como esta: /join #kubuntu-es
[12:02] <manu_> bye
[12:02] <underdog5004> kelevra, , puedes ir al canal de #kubuntu-es como esta: /join #kubuntu-es
[12:02] <underdog5004> sorry about all that
[12:02] <stdin> mine prints to cups printer (remote)
[12:02] <dwidmann> bye manu_
[12:02] <K`zan> stdin: Hummm, I keep getting messages about "broken pipes" and as near as I can tell I have no lpr on the system ?!?
[12:04] <hatta> K`zan, use papers?
[12:04] <K`zan> LOL, Would be simpler to just drive down to kinkos :-).
[12:05] <Gunrun> aha
[12:05] <Gunrun> guys, I am having problems installing ubuntu on my G4 powerpc, is kubuntu likely to be any different?
[12:06] <Gunrun> this is the screen that greets me when I start ubuntu: http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8308/p1010507lz1.jpg
[12:06] <kirke> Hello, I have a question, how can I program C in linux?
[12:07] <underdog5004> !C++
[12:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about c++ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:07] <tanlaan> kirke: do you know how to program C on any other machine?
[12:07] <underdog5004> !C
[12:07] <Gunrun> http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Programming/Building_C_programs_on_Linux
[12:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about c - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:07] <Gunrun> used google
[12:07] <wardemir> hi
[12:07] <Gunrun> now can you help with my question? lol
[12:07] <kirke> yes, in windows is just donwloading an IDE
[12:07] <kirke> an everything functions ok.
[12:08] <underdog5004> kirke, there are ides for linux as well
[12:08] <kirke> I download the KDevelop but does not works.
[12:08] <stdin> !C#
[12:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about c# - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:08] <stdin> !code
[12:08] <underdog5004> !Anjuta
[12:08] <tanlaan> kirke: download essential-utils *is that right?*
[12:08] <ubotu> Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, eclipse, pida
[12:08] <ubotu> anjuta: A GNOME development IDE, for C/C++. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.2-2ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 1494 kB, installed size 3760 kB
[12:09] <stdin> ahh, that's the one
[12:09] <underdog5004> yay, I win!
[12:09] <Gunrun> :(
[12:09] <plugs> how do i access a shared windows folder on my network?
[12:09] <tanlaan> Gunrun: im sorry, but I can't help you with your problem
[12:09] <juano_> plugs: samba
[12:09] <tanlaan> Can anyone else help Gunrun?
[12:10] <underdog5004> Gunrun, sorry, but I've had no experience w/ Macs
[12:10] <juano_> plugs: check out /etc/samba/smb.conf
[12:10] <plugs> okay i'll look
[12:10] <tanlaan> Gunrun: had any luck in the #ubuntu channel?
[12:10] <Gunrun> well, does it look like (from my screenshot: http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8308/p1010507lz1.jpg ) it is a problem with GNOME or the *buntu kernel
[12:10] <Gunrun> been in there a while
[12:10] <juano_> plugs: you can change security = user to security = share  , or establish users with security = user , with username and pass
[12:11] <Gunrun> crap sorry, no idea what happened with that gap
[12:11] <plugs> once i've done that, how do i get there in konqueror?
[12:11] <underdog5004> Gunrun, whoa...that looks serious...
[12:11] <underdog5004> maybe kubuntu will be better...couldn't tell you why...
[12:11] <juano_> plugs: smb://winmachine
[12:11] <Gunrun> it looks like every module is failing
[12:12] <Gunrun> and if I run the install it basically goes aaaaa and references stuff in ect/usr or something
[12:12] <tanlaan> Gunrun: you may want to go download another ISO
[12:12] <plugs> yes!
[12:12] <Gunrun> ok
[12:12] <juano_> plugs: where winmachine is pc name, or you can do smb://pcsipnumber
[12:12] <Gunrun> I will get kubuntu anyway, because I like kde, and dislike brown
[12:12] <underdog5004> Gunrun, did you d/l it direct, or use bittorrent?
[12:12] <Gunrun> downloaded it direct
[12:12] <Gunrun> from the first eu mirror
[12:13] <tanlaan> Gunrun: haha ok, sounds good, it shouldnt take that long to download
[12:13] <devilsadvocate> Gunrun, thats the live cd?
[12:13] <Gunrun> yes
[12:13] <underdog5004> Gunrun, use bittorrent, automatic error checking
[12:13] <Gunrun> ah ok
[12:13] <Gunrun> bit torrent is slow thogh
[12:13] <Gunrun> my ISP caps it at 50kbps
[12:13] <plugs> i got it, thanks juano_ but now i tried copying things and i got access denied, time to sudo around till i get it
[12:13] <underdog5004> or, just get the md5 sum...
[12:13] <Gunrun> well, using the check on the CD it passes it
[12:13] <underdog5004> Gunrun, that sucks...is that just for BT?
[12:13] <Gunrun> yeah
[12:13] <juano_> plugs: u copying from ubuntu to winmachine ?
[12:13] <Gunrun> oh, and scanning for servers in Steam
[12:14] <underdog5004> Gunrun, might want to check out BT encryption...
[12:14] <plugs> yes
[12:14] <Gunrun> its not that, it is when I make lots of connections to lots of different IPs
[12:14] <juano_> plugs: and getting that error ?
[12:14] <underdog5004> ah
[12:14] <juano_> plugs: or from win to ubuntu ?
[12:14] <plugs> right.
[12:14] <Gunrun> how fast is shipit?
[12:14] <plugs> Ubuntu to windows, error.
[12:14] <underdog5004> Gunrun, month and a half to the US...
[12:14] <Gunrun> damn
[12:15] <devilsadvocate> does anyone here know anything about getting a program that can tunnel socks requests through a http proxy?
[12:15] <Gunrun> would be faster to grab it on dialup
[12:15] <juano_> plugs: in windows check that the permissions on folder are good
[12:15] <underdog5004> Gunrun, yep
[12:15] <juano_> plugs: right click the folder, sharing --> share on network , etc
[12:15] <Gunrun> what is the difference between the DVD of kubuntu and the CD?
[12:15] <plugs> ah i think youre right
[12:15] <plugs> i dont think it's allowed to change files.
[12:15] <Gunrun> I can only see torrents for the DVD
[12:15] <plugs> i'll try that