[04:50] <Eleaf> What's up doc?
[04:52] <Eleaf> Respond doccers.
[04:52] <LaserJock> not much
[04:53] <Eleaf> This is vast LaserJock
[04:59] <Eleaf> How can I make documentation?
[05:00] <Eleaf> Would a tutorial be considered documentation?
[05:00] <LaserJock> could be
[05:00] <LaserJock> are you familiar with the Ubuntu help wiki?
[05:00] <LaserJock> http://help.ubuntu.com/community
[05:00] <Eleaf> I am familiar with the wiki
[05:00] <LaserJock> you can add to that, that's a good way to help with documentation
[05:01] <Eleaf> is there a difference with putting stuff just in the normal ubuntu wiki vs. documentation wiki?
[05:01] <LaserJock> you could also help with the documentation that is shipped with Ubuntu/Kubuntu/Xubuntu/Edubuntu
[05:01] <LaserJock> yes there is
[05:01] <Eleaf> what is that?
[05:02] <LaserJock> the normal wiki (wiki.ubuntu.com) is for development coordination
[05:02] <LaserJock> specifications, team todo lists, etc.
[05:02] <Eleaf> I usually see more tutorials on the wiki.ubuntu one.
[05:02] <LaserJock> they shouldn't be
[05:02] <Eleaf> Like how to do things
[05:02] <LaserJock> all "help" type documentation should be on help.ubuntu.com
[05:02] <Eleaf> like mp3 support, etc.
[05:03] <LaserJock> nah, that's been moved to the help wiki
[05:03] <LaserJock> it *used* to be on wiki.u.c
[05:03] <LaserJock> but it was moved and redirects put up
[05:03] <Eleaf> oh I guess so.
[05:03] <Eleaf> I see, redirect.
[05:04] <Eleaf> What should I write something on?
[05:04] <LaserJock> whatever you like
[05:04] <Eleaf> I know but I need suggestions now.
[05:04] <LaserJock> ok
[05:05] <LaserJock> I think https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CategoryCleanup is the current list of wiki pages that need work done on them
[05:06] <Eleaf> LaserJock, is it okay if I make my own art for the pages?
[05:06] <LaserJock> well, you could
[05:06] <LaserJock> but you probably want to be careful not to do too much
[05:07] <LaserJock> you might want to ask the doc team mailing list
[05:07] <LaserJock> about how to best do it
[05:07] <Eleaf> my own icons ;)
[05:08] <Eleaf> or have a waterfall with ponies all over!
[05:09] <LaserJock> hmm, well those might not be very appropriate for the help wiki
[05:10] <Eleaf> it could be.
[05:12] <Eleaf> LaserJock, it says I'm not logged in, but when I log in, it says I'm already logged in.
[05:12] <Eleaf> now it's working..
[05:12] <LaserJock> yeah, so you need to go back to the page you were at before you logged in
[05:13] <Eleaf> I know but even then it wouldn't work.
[05:13] <Eleaf> grr, the ubuntu wiki is so slow..
[05:13] <Eleaf> especially when saving preferences...  Takes about 1 minute to respond..
[05:13] <LaserJock> it can be yes
[05:14] <LaserJock> lots of people use it
[05:16] <Eleaf> still..
[05:17] <Eleaf> xchat annoys me with chanserv, the chanserv output always goes into a random tab I'm not using..
[05:17] <Eleaf> random channel.
[08:45] <Shankar> hello there, can you direct me to the TAMIL LANGUAGE documentation page for ubuntu
[08:46] <LaserJock> Shankar: I really don't know, is there a Tamil LoCo Team?
[08:47] <jsgotangco> hey LaserJock
[08:48] <mpt> Shankar, http://www.ubuntu-tam.org/tamizh/ is probably the best we have at the moment
[08:49] <ShankarGanesh> hello there, can you direct me to the TAMIL LANGUAGE documentation page for ubuntu
[08:49] <ShankarGanesh> * hello there, can you direct me to the TAMIL LANGUAGE documentation page for ubuntu*
[08:49] <mpt> ShankarGanesh, try http://www.ubuntu-tam.org/tamizh/ and  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TamilTeam
[08:50] <ShankarGanesh> thanks guys, i'll definitely contribute
[08:50] <ShankarGanesh> YOU GUYS ROCK!!
[08:51] <mpt> ShankarGanesh, are you interested in helping translate documentation into Tamil?
[08:56] <mpt> ShankarGanes1, are you interested in helping translate documentation into Tamil? You could start here: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/edgy/+source/ubuntu-docs/+translations
[08:56] <ShankarGanes1> thankyou, mpt
[08:58] <mpt> Ah, I was just about to suggest you get in touch with the Tamil translation team, but I see you're already a member :-)
[09:00] <ShankarGanes1> yeah
[09:16] <mpt> Dodgy Indian Internet connections
[11:10] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: philbull * r3746 ubuntu/keeping-safe/C/keeping-safe.xml: Reworked keeping-safe and added new section to it
[11:26] <mdke_> yay!
[11:26] <jsgotangco> yay
[02:14] <popey> mdke: when you are about, I need to speak to you about how we might kick the screencast project up the butt
[02:14] <popey> (including mine)
[02:25] <mdke> popey: ok, later will be better I hope
[02:26] <popey> ok
[02:47] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3747 ubuntu/ (8 files in 8 dirs): fixing lots of links, adding script used to repository for temporary use
[05:41] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3748 edubuntu/ (4 files in 4 dirs): renaming Edubuntu directories to match the rest of the repo
[06:02] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3749 /trunk/Makefile: adding Edubuntu to Makefile for building
[06:11] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3750 edubuntu/ (3 files in 2 dirs): cleaning up and fixing makefiles for Edubuntu
[06:46] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: lucius * r3751 xubuntu/desktopguide/C/introduction.xml: patch from vincent
[07:16] <nixternal> who is lucius?
[07:17] <tonyyarusso> no idea
[07:22] <nixternal> hiya jjesse
[07:24] <jjesse> hiya nixternal
[07:26] <jjesse> still snowing here rich :)
[07:26] <nixternal> jeesh, it is cold, but still sunny
[07:26] <jjesse> yeah, well the snow slowed its mostly blowing
[07:26] <jjesse> its up to my knee :)
[07:29] <mdke> nixternal: he's one of the xubuntu guys
[07:30] <nixternal> never seen him before. Cool, wish we had more Edubuntu and Kubuntu guys :)
[07:30] <mdke> he's been vaguely around for several cycles now
[07:30] <mdke> was originally the only xubuntu guy
[07:30] <mdke> now joined by Cody
[07:30] <nixternal> cool
[07:31] <nixternal> where are all of the Edubuntu people hiding?
[07:31] <mdke> are there edubuntu people?
[07:31] <nixternal> me
[07:32] <nixternal> there is an Edubuntu Documentation team and Handbook Team, but where they all went I have no clue
[07:32] <jjesse> nixternal: I find it funny they are complaining about the rain in miami when we have more snow to deal w/ then we know what to do
[07:34] <nixternal> hehe
[07:34] <nixternal> spam alert
[07:34] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3752 edubuntu/handbook/C/introduction.xml: Handbook introduction.xml cleaning and additional content
[09:10] <nixternal> spam alert
[09:10] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3753 edubuntu/handbook/C/ (bookinfo.xml contribute.xml standalone.xml using.xml): cleaning up the Edubuntu Handbook
[09:22] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3754 teamstuff/doc.ubuntu.com/sidebar.inc.php: added Edubuntu Release Notes to the sidebar at d.u.c
[09:42] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3755 edubuntu/releasenotes/C/releasenotes.xml: cleaning up release notes for Edubuntu
[10:20] <jjesse> wow i'm re-working on my book chpt and it seems like there were a ton of gramatical problems
[10:25] <mpt> "re-working on"?
[10:25] <mpt> jjesse, which book was this?
[10:44] <nixternal> jjesse: there were more than grammatical unfortunately
[10:55] <Burgundavia> mpt: likely the official one, given jjesse wrote the Kubuntu chapter of the first one
[10:58] <Burgundavia> mpt: can you fix LP so it guesses URLs better?
[10:59] <Burgundavia> so when I enter lp.net/83118 it goes to the bug number?
[11:19] <mpt> Burgundavia, Launchpad is more than just a bugtracker
[11:20] <mpt> and lp.net is taken :-)
[11:20] <Burgundavia> mpt: regardless, hitting a number is unlikely to be anything but a bug number
[11:20] <Burgundavia> I was shortening launchpad
[11:20] <Burgundavia> at least you should replace the 404 page with a search page, ala moin
[11:20] <mpt> Yes, one day we will have global search
[11:21] <Burgundavia> why not now?
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[11:21] <Burgundavia> is the db so badly broken?
[11:21] <mpt> Anyway, this is the wrong channel for such talk
[11:21] <Burgundavia> true
[11:42] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3756 ubuntu/ (6 files in 3 dirs): moving some things around
[11:45] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3757 /trunk/ (6 files in 4 dirs): splitting "Windows" document into a separate folder, updating debian/rules accordingly
[11:57] <tonyyarusso> Sometimes I'm disappointed by how small the Server Guide is (I bought it from lulu).  Can someone recommend a more comprehensive text for that sort of thing?
[11:57] <nixternal> howtoforge :)
[11:58] <tonyyarusso> Anything in print?
[11:59] <nixternal> not that I know of
[12:04] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3758 ubuntu/ (3 files in 3 dirs): fixing some more links
[12:05] <CIA-4> Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3759 ubuntu/keeping-safe/C/keeping-safe.xml: fixing remaining links
[12:08] <nixternal> slow down mdke!
[12:08] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:09] <nixternal> DA BEARS!
[12:09] <LaserJock> bah
[12:10] <LaserJock> Colts are gonna kick there butt
[12:10] <nixternal> hehe, I will have some more tonight. I have created an Edubuntu-docs package so I will have the debian/ directory up later
[12:10] <nixternal> omg LaserJock, you just lost friend points
[12:10] <LaserJock> hehe
[12:10] <nixternal> you made me want to cry, I thought there was love, but no!
[12:10] <nixternal> haha
[12:10] <mdke> is your edubuntu-docs package different to ogra's?
[12:10] <LaserJock> well, I like Manning, but it's been a while for the Bears
[12:11] <nixternal> mdke: yes, as it contains the handbook, and more
[12:11] <LaserJock> mdke: ogra wanted us to replace his with what we're doing with the doc team reapo
[12:11] <LaserJock> *repo
[12:11] <nixternal> he told me to make a package a couple of weeks ago, but I tried to put it on LaserJock, and I kind of dropped the ball
[12:11] <nixternal> so I have been busting my ass trying to put a smile on his face
[12:11] <LaserJock> now that there's a bit more activity
[12:11] <LaserJock> ugg, I totally forgot
[12:12] <nixternal> don't worry LaserJock, I have it under control
[12:12] <LaserJock> I worked on it for a bit a while ago
[12:12] <LaserJock> but I've been so insanely busy lately
[12:12] <nixternal> I just installed Herd 3 so I can test my package and perfect it
[12:12] <LaserJock> trying to get RL back in order
[12:12] <nixternal> same here, DA BEARS are on, gotta go :)
[12:12] <crimsun> I hope they LOSE.
[12:13] <nixternal> jesus, none of you people like me
[12:13] <LaserJock> that's just cruel ;-)
[12:13] <nixternal> that's it, I quit
[12:13] <crimsun> yeah, gimme your bandwidth
[12:13] <nixternal> haha
[12:13] <nixternal> later
[12:14] <mdke> LaserJock, nixternal: sounds good
[12:15] <LaserJock> cya mdke
[12:16] <nixternal> g'nite mdke
[12:16] <nixternal> commercials
[12:16] <nixternal> ;)