[12:18] <crimsun> so it build-depends on latex2html?
[12:18] <crimsun> what's the actual bug? it doesn't ship with html docs?
[12:20] <nixternal> 28701
[12:20] <nixternal> bug 28701
[12:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 28701 in plucker "plucker-desktop: help window empty" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/28701
[12:20] <nixternal> not it doesn't ship with html docs
[12:21] <nixternal> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4034/
[12:21] <nixternal> that is not right
[12:21] <nixternal> for one silly little package
[12:22] <nixternal> a package that hasn't been maintained for over 2 years at that, but is the only one I know of
[12:29] <crimsun> does it fix that bug?
[12:29] <plugwash> you say its not right but if you haven't done much building on the system before you can expect that
[12:29] <plugwash> some dependency chains are pretty long
[12:39] <nixternal> crimsun: I just finished building it, I am going to install it on my feisty box now
[12:41] <nixternal> argh, this bug is annoying the hell out of me
[12:42] <nixternal> it is not installing the docs anywhere. time to step away and come back in a few I guess
[12:42] <crimsun> nixternal: does it need debian/foo.install entries?
[12:42] <nixternal> it already has them crimsun 
[12:42] <crimsun> [if you don't do it from within debian/rules, that it] 
[12:42] <crimsun> that is
[12:43] <crimsun> where "it" and "them" are...
[12:43] <nixternal> plucker-docs.install as a matter of fact
[12:43] <nixternal> debian/plucker*.install
[12:44] <crimsun> do they refer to the proper locations in debian/foo/... ?
[12:46] <nixternal> plucker-doc.install contans just   #DOCS#
[12:47] <nixternal> hrmm, those are the wrong docs, derr, the other docs are in debian/rules that I am concerned about
[12:48] <nixternal> I just found it
[12:49] <nixternal> silly makefile has BUILD_MANUAL = no
[12:49] <nixternal> err, rules that is
[12:49] <crimsun> so. Cough.
[12:49] <nixternal> hah
[12:49] <nixternal> shhhh
[12:49] <nixternal> it was one of those get up and walk away moments
[12:49] <nixternal> but the Makefile for the docs calls for latex and latex2html
[12:50] <nixternal> so I am afraid latex2html will have to remain a depends unless we don't want to close that bug
[12:51] <nixternal> what are the chances of me personally building them out to html, and then creating a patch that will install them?
[12:51] <crimsun> that's ugly
[12:51] <crimsun> and why would you want that as a Depends?
[12:51] <nixternal> ya it is, let me build this out and test again
[12:52] <nixternal> w/o that in depends, the documentation will not build
[12:52] <crimsun> ...so you mean Build-Depends?
[12:52] <nixternal> correct, I am sorry
[01:22] <LaserJock> nixternal: sorry, had to take a trip Sheriff's office
[01:23] <LaserJock> nixternal: looks like crimsun got you straightened out
[01:23] <nixternal> LaserJock: I told you no more dealing them buntudrugs
[01:24] <nixternal> LaserJock: ya, he pointed me in the right direction, but that entire package is god awful. I am going to grab the unstable again from Debian and test it out
[01:24] <nixternal> bbiaf, shrimp jumbalayah is calling me (boy I killed the spelling on that)
[01:27] <Hobbsee> nixternal: which is it?
[01:34] <ajmitch> good afternoon
[01:34] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch 
[01:38] <TheMuso> Heya ajmitch.
[01:50] <nixternal> Hobbsee: Plucker && Plucker-desktop
[01:51] <Hobbsee> ahhh'
[01:59] <LaserJock> hi Hobbsee 
[02:24] <Hobbsee> hey LaserJock!
[02:24] <LaserJock> :-)
[03:32] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:45] <ScottK> Heya bddebian.
[03:46] <bddebian> Hi ScottK
[03:46] <ScottK> Which list is the best one to look at?
[03:52] <StevenK> Well, that's one way to tell people Windows product keys
[03:55] <ScottK> Heh!
[04:36] <LaserJock> bddebian!
[04:38] <bddebian> HEya LaserJock
[04:38] <Fujitsu> Hi LaserJock.
[04:38] <Fujitsu> Hi bddebian.
[04:38] <bddebian> Hi Fujitsu
[04:38] <LaserJock> ScottK: http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe.html is still pretty good
[04:38] <LaserJock> hi Fujitsu 
[04:39] <LaserJock> I would sort of combine that with ajmitch's list (can't remember URL)
[04:39] <LaserJock> to prioritize
[04:39] <Fujitsu> (and preferably new upstreams are prioritised, obviously.
[04:40] <LaserJock> yep
[04:40] <LaserJock> if ubuntu-archive is keeping up with sync requests the merges.u.c list is helpful
[04:40] <Fujitsu> Any new sciencey upstreams we want, LaserJock?
[04:41] <bddebian> I'm still working on tilp2
[04:42] <Fujitsu> bddebian, I feel your pain.
[04:42] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: http://tiber.tauware.de/~laserjock/motuscience/all.html#outdatedandlocalinB
[04:42] <bddebian> libticonv and libticables2 got accepted so far
[04:42] <LaserJock> there a few new upstreams
[04:42] <LaserJock> bddebian: excellent
[04:42] <LaserJock> you know, I've got a number of apps that I'd love to see packaged up
[04:42] <LaserJock> but I don't think I have time
[04:43] <bddebian> Make us a list :-)
[04:43] <LaserJock> I think I have one
[04:43] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, that's... a little old.
[04:43] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: is it?
[04:43] <Fujitsu> (see mine for comparison, http://people.ubuntu.org.au/~fujitsu/motuscience/versions/)
[04:43] <Fujitsu> And look at the date on yours.
[04:43] <Fujitsu> It's no longer Nov 1.
[04:44] <Fujitsu> And we're not in such a dire situation as that page suggests
[04:44] <bddebian> heh
[04:44] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: doh
[04:44] <Eleaf> hello master of the universe and it is know and here you are.
[04:44] <LaserJock> I forgot it should have motuscience/fiesty/all.html
[04:44] <Hobbsee> hey Eleaf 
[04:45] <Eleaf> Hobbsee, you are there.
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Eleaf: of course
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: did you get mplayer done, btw?
[04:45] <Eleaf> it was vast.
[04:45] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, it works, but I've not dared to bzr push or upload it yet.
[04:45] <LaserJock> plotdrop is just dumb (my mistake) and we'll wait until I do a new upstream in Debian
[04:45] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ahhh.  then again it is feisty
[04:45] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, how was it a mistake?
[04:45] <Fujitsu> Oh, the differing upstream tarball?
[04:46] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I had a stinkin' patch-stamp in my .orig.tar.gz :(
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: did you have one of those for kde?
[04:46] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, one of what?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> [14:43]  <Fujitsu> (see mine for comparison, http://people.ubuntu.org.au/~fujitsu/motuscience/versions/)
[04:46] <Fujitsu> The version lists?
[04:46] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> yes
[04:46] <Fujitsu> I can whip one up in a couple of minutes.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: btw, did you know you have a shell on brandon's machine, if you need it
[04:46] <Fujitsu> (if you've got a package list, or a section to look at)
[04:46] <Hobbsee> cool, thanks :)
[04:46] <Fujitsu> I did know that, yes.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> section is kde
[04:47] <Fujitsu> Ah, smart.
[04:47] <LaserJock> bddebian: bibus is the one I think we really need to get into Feisty
[04:47] <Fujitsu> Eek, yeah.
[04:47] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee, he did...
[04:47] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: where are they?
[04:48] <Fujitsu> Erased by his cron-job, I'd guess.
[04:48] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[04:49] <bddebian> LaserJock: OK
[04:49] <LaserJock> bddebian: http://bibus-biblio.sourceforge.net/ is the webpage
[04:49] <LaserJock> bddebian: I'd actually like to get it into Main
[04:50] <LaserJock> but I don't think we have time
[04:50] <LaserJock> for Feisty anyway
[04:50] <Fujitsu> I had a look at it, and it's not exactly pleasant.
[04:50] <chillywilly> omg, it's freezing cold here
[04:51] <chillywilly> -8F
[04:51] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: bibus?
[04:51] <bddebian> eeks
[04:51] <Fujitsu> LaserJock, yeah.
[04:51] <bddebian> Fujitsu: What is pleasant to you? :-)
[04:51] <Fujitsu> Not bibus, nor mplayer.
[04:51] <Fujitsu> Something with a sane build system.
[04:51] <bddebian> heh
[04:51] <chillywilly> bddebian: wind chill is like -28F
[04:51] <Fujitsu> And without a lot of embedded libs.
[04:51] <LaserJock> well, I usually think that if it wasn't in Debian/Ubuntu already there is probably a reason
[04:52] <LaserJock> but bibus is a very often used program I think
[04:53] <bddebian> chillywilly: Dude, and I thought it wsa cold here
[04:54] <chillywilly> you ain't got nothin' on WI baby
[04:54] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: http://people.ubuntu.org.au/~fujitsu/kde/versions/kde.html (it's currently using the superset of the packages in Sid and Feisty; that can be changed if you wish)
[04:57] <Hobbsee> anyone know what CXXFLAGS := -fno-stack-protector translates to in cdbs?
[04:58] <Fujitsu> Similar, perhaps? I don't know.
[04:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83053 in twisted-web2 "AttributeError: components.Interface" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83053
[05:06] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: the bugtracker is very...pink...
[05:07] <Fujitsu> Which one?
[05:07] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: the beta
[05:07] <Hobbsee> ubuntu
[05:07] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[05:07] <Fujitsu> It's pink now!?
[05:07] <Fujitsu> I didn't notice...
[05:08] <Fujitsu> Oh, just the usual.
[05:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:09] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:09] <Hobbsee> guess i should check for bugs though
[05:10] <Fujitsu> Perhaps.
[05:10] <Fujitsu> I note you're missing quite a few packages.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> right, nothing of interest.
[05:10] <Hobbsee> oh?
[05:11] <Fujitsu> Yeah, at the bottom of the versions page it shows you're missing some packages that are in sid.
[05:11] <Hobbsee> kde-style-polyester 	1.0~beta1-1 	NOTFOUND 	PTS BTS buildlog 	p.u.c LP bugs builds changes
[05:11] <Hobbsee> that at least is wrong
[05:11] <Fujitsu> How?
[05:12] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ madison kde-style-polyester
[05:12] <Hobbsee> kde-style-polyester | 1.0-0ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/universe Packages
[05:12] <Hobbsee> kde-style-polyester | 1.0-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[05:12] <Hobbsee>  polyester | 1.0-0ubuntu1 | http://mirror.pacific.net.au feisty/universe Sources
[05:12] <Hobbsee>  polyester | 1.0-0ubuntu1 | http://archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Sources
[05:12] <Hobbsee> oh, you've done it by binary packages, so if the source is different...
[05:12] <Fujitsu> No, that's sources, AFAIK...
[05:13] <LaserJock> is beta run on the current database?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: yep
[05:13] <Fujitsu> Only staging isn't. beta/edge are.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: what's staging?
[05:14] <Fujitsu> staging is on a scratch database, synced from production daily.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:14] <Hobbsee> edge is?
[05:15] <Fujitsu> New features, not quite ready for production.
[05:15] <Fujitsu> I believe apport uses it for filing bugs.
[05:15] <Fujitsu> Hm, and there's demo.launchpad.net, which is on yet another DB.
[05:15] <LaserJock> yikes
[05:16] <LaserJock> that's way too many LPs :-)
[05:16] <Fujitsu> They all have their purposes.
[05:17] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: ahhh
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:20] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Have the LP people prioritised the bugs or anything similar?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: may as well
[05:24] <Fujitsu> I've been using it for 24 hours, so I guess it isn't totally broken.
[05:31] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: kiko is working on it
[05:31] <Fujitsu> LaserJock: Sounds positive.
[05:32] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I've got http://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/Launchpad
[05:32] <LaserJock> yeah, we'll see
[05:32] <LaserJock> I think we'll win some and lose some
[05:33] <LaserJock> he said your bug for +subscribedbugs was tough to do
[05:35] <Fujitsu> +packagebugs, you mean?
[05:43] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: yeah, sorry
[05:44] <LaserJock> I don't know why it's tough
[05:44] <Fujitsu> It really can't be that difficult...
[05:44] <LaserJock> but I'm keeping it on the Top 5 list because it really makes team package maintanence tough
[05:44] <Fujitsu> It does.
[05:44] <crimsun> Hobbsee: DEB_MAKE_ENVVARS := CXXFLAGS="-fno-stack-protector"
[05:45] <Hobbsee> crimsun: ahhh....i'd wondered if it was that.
[05:45] <Fujitsu> They do similar things on the other bug pages, and surely postgres would be doing most of the work.
[05:50] <ScottK> LaserJock: Thanks.  I have another Postfix routing issue I'm sorting out, but if I get it done before I flame out for the night I'll try and knock something out.
[05:50] <LaserJock> Fujitsu: I don't know, I'll try to poke around some more. it seems like it should be trivial
[05:51] <Fujitsu> Yeah... Though I can't imagine that kiko would be lieing like that.
[05:52] <LaserJock> they must have something funky going on underneath, that's all I can think of
[05:52] <Fujitsu> Really, really funky.
[05:52] <Fujitsu> (and worthy of immediate destruction, if it's bad enough to make fixing that bug tough)
[05:53] <LaserJock> well, that's why I think bradb said 1.0
[05:53] <Fujitsu> But we really could do with it sooner :(
[05:53] <Fujitsu> (or the XML-RPC interface)
[05:54] <LaserJock> yeah
[05:54] <LaserJock> I said an xml-rpc or just having better plain-textable data was very important
[05:55] <LaserJock> the other thing is PPA
[05:55] <Fujitsu> PPA isn't high on my priority list, personally.
[05:55] <LaserJock> every time I look at something build related it seems like PPA will provide the answer
[05:56] <LaserJock> well, PPA itself no (except for a restricted PPA that would give use MOTU buildds)
[05:56] <LaserJock> but it seems like to get to PPA they are having to fix things that are relevent to MOTU
[05:56] <Fujitsu> Actually, it would give us access to other arches, so I agree. High
[05:58] <LaserJock> PPA itself will only give us i386 I think
[05:58] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[05:58] <LaserJock> but if we get a restricted one (only building from Ubuntu repos) we can get the others
[05:58] <LaserJock> PPA will run via Xen
[05:59] <LaserJock> so that's what restricts the arch
[06:01] <Fujitsu> OK.
[06:02] <LaserJock> but elmo said they had a bunch of machines they had intended to use as community buildds
[06:02] <LaserJock> so if we hook them up to a restricted PPA I think we'd have a reasonable buildd farm
[06:02] <Fujitsu> Possibly.
[06:33] <LaserJock> man, amarok is kinda hefty
[06:34] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: it is.  what are you doing wiht it?
[06:34] <LaserJock> installing kubuntu-desktop :-)
[06:34] <crimsun> he's trying to carry it to Mars
[06:34] <Hobbsee> LaserJock: ahh :)
[06:34] <Hobbsee> crimsun: well that's a bit silly :P
[06:34] <LaserJock> yeah, I'd strap it to a rocket if I wanted to do that
[06:36] <Hobbsee> hehe
[06:36] <Fujitsu> It's been going for some 45 minutes now, and hasn't passed the fetching of the old branch yet.
[06:36] <Fujitsu> (it's still transferring a lot of data, however)
[06:36] <Hobbsee> ow
[06:36] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[06:37] <Fujitsu> It is insanely slow.
[06:37] <Fujitsu> I don't think it's meant for branches of around 2700 files.
[06:37] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: PEDAL FASTER!!!
[06:40] <Fujitsu> (note that this is only the upstream branch, not the debianised one)
[06:40] <Fujitsu> So another loooong wait after this.
[06:41] <LaserJock> seems like we should be able to rsync this stuff or something
[06:57] <LaserJock> hmm, I've never really read ./ before
[06:57] <LaserJock> kinda interesting, but mostly boring
[06:57] <crimsun> I miss the older days when it was actually a decent blog
[06:57] <crimsun> now it's just a trolled blog
[06:58] <Fujitsu> Really, really trolled.
[06:58] <Fujitsu> It sometimes has some good stories.
[06:58] <Fujitsu> And the new theme sucks.
[06:58] <LaserJock> it's a blog?
[06:58] <LaserJock> where have I been
[06:59] <LaserJock> I thought it was a news site
[06:59] <Fujitsu> It's a news aggregator thing.
[06:59] <crimsun> it really is a blog
[06:59] <Fujitsu> Actually, no.
[06:59] <Fujitsu> It's a list of topics for trolls.
[06:59] <Fujitsu> Nothing more.
[07:00] <crimsun> ok, I'll accept that sadly
[07:00] <LaserJock> I didn't know that
[07:00] <LaserJock> (well, I know the troll thing, that's why I've never really gone there)
[07:01] <LaserJock> I found a nvidia class action suit thing
[07:01] <LaserJock> some MS internal emails (supposedly)
[07:01] <Fujitsu> I skim over the titles most days to see if there's anything interesting happening, but that's about it.
[07:01] <Fujitsu> They are! From the current case.
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Rather interesting emails they are, too.
[07:01] <Fujitsu> Some 3000 pieces of evidence, a lot of them emails.
[07:02] <Fujitsu> Some of which have some rather interesting content.
[07:02] <LaserJock> you can tell how any even smallish threat to MS monopoly just gets them upset
[07:02] <LaserJock> Bill Gates saying he's losing sleep because of the Java threat
[07:02] <Fujitsu> ?
[07:02] <Fujitsu> Ah.
[07:03] <LaserJock> it's like, "OMG, somebody could make an alternative OS out of Java, CRUSH IT"
[07:03] <Fujitsu> See http://www.iowaconsumercase.org/011107/PX_2768.pdf
[07:04] <Fujitsu> (from the J++ product manager, too)
[07:05] <Fujitsu> Rather aggressive towards Java, it seems.
[07:05] <Fujitsu> Even that long ago.
[07:06] <ScottK> I looked at usbmount from the merges page and I'm not sure if it should be merged or left alone.  The only changes we don't already have in Ubuntu are packaging changes in debian/control - Here's the relevant changelog entry: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4068/ - this would be easy enough for even me to merge, but does it need it?
[07:08] <Fujitsu> It needs to be merged.
[07:08] <Fujitsu> Well, should be.
[07:08] <ScottK> OK.  I'll do it then.
[07:08] <ScottK> Shouldn't take long...
[07:09] <Fujitsu> Best to get those changes, as they're there for a reason.
[07:09] <ScottK> OK.
[07:09] <Fujitsu> I misread your question, hence the revision of my answer.
[07:27] <ScottK> That's done.  Maybe one more before bed..
[07:50] <Fujitsu> Almost half way through the push... This is insane!
[07:51] <zakame> Fujitsu: insane?
[07:51] <LaserJock> wow, that is insane
[07:54] <Fujitsu> Hm, uploading at 5kilobits/s, and that's not the fault of my connection.
[07:55] <Fujitsu> So LP is really slow, or something between here and there is stuffed.
[07:56] <zakame> hmm LP sure does seem to be slow
[07:56] <zakame> I mean I've to reload pages to get them fully through now
[08:00] <ScottK> Courier has a new version already.  So I redid the merge.  It takes longer than I want to stay up to build, so good night all.
[08:01] <zakame> good night ScottK, and thanks :)
[08:18] <imbrandon> hum
[08:18] <Fujitsu> Hi imbrandon.
[08:18] <imbrandon> heya Fujitsu 
[08:20] <LaserJock> hi imbrandon 
[08:21] <zakame> yo imbrandon
[08:24] <Fujitsu> It finished!
[08:24] <LaserJock> heh
[08:24] <LaserJock> how long?
[08:26] <Fujitsu> I didn't time it... But well over 2.5 hours.
[08:26] <Fujitsu> .. and it hasn't shown up on LP yet... It'd better not have failed!
[08:27] <LaserJock> man, I really wish I could figure out what opera setups were all about
[08:27] <crimsun> blah, upstream renamed i810-modesetting to intel
[08:27] <Fujitsu> crimsun, I'm sure I saw it named as such during Edgy...
[08:28] <crimsun> it was, and then we synced with Debian unstable (with the new name) and had the old one removed, and now this.
[08:29] <crimsun> doesn't really matter this release; we'll likely keep the current name since I don't have enough resources to backport all these fixes without dragging in a newer [required]  libdrm and rebuilding the whole stack
[08:29] <Fujitsu> Sounds unpleasant.
[08:38] <imbrandon> hum, any perl gurus got a half sec?
[08:47] <siretart_> heya folks
[08:51] <LaserJock> hi siretart_ 
[08:51] <siretart_> huhu LaserJock 
[08:52] <siretart_> can anyone confirm the sftp server on bazaar.launchpad.net is down?
[09:02] <Fujitsu> siretart_, I'm uploading something to it now (albeit at less than 1KB/s), so no.
[09:02] <Fujitsu> beta.launchpad.net has vanished, however. So something strange is going on.
[09:12] <imbrandon> siretart_, yea its realy realy slow right now for what ever reason
[09:26] <zakame> is LP being DoSsed? I hope not :/
[09:28] <Fujitsu> siretart_, it's .launchpad.net, there's a bug filed about the wrong URL being displayed in the UI.
[09:29] <siretart_> aaah, that explains
[09:30] <siretart_> MUCH better
[09:31] <Fujitsu> In fact, 2 bugs.
[09:31] <Fujitsu> Recent, too.
[09:31] <Fujitsu> Must be a recent change.
[10:33] <zakame> Hobbsee: go go go
[10:34] <Hobbsee> ah.  a bit of manual linking, and it behaves.
[10:37] <zorglu_> q. i have a ubuntu packages, i put the files which are dynamic and must be kept accross reboot in /var/lib/myprogname... is that the proper place ? is there a more suitable one ?
[10:48] <ivoks> zorglu_: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#VARLIBVARIABLESTATEINFORMATION
[10:48] <zorglu_> thanks
[11:41] <imbrandon> hrm
[11:41] <imbrandon> is perl or python faster? ( at say parsing a log file ) 
[12:02] <imbrandon> woot, i rock ..... ZeroDivisionError: integer division or modulo by zero
[12:08] <lotusleaf> imbrandon: kubuntu is my savior
[12:13] <imbrandon> lotusleaf, heh glad to hear it
[12:13] <imbrandon> bbiab, time to put a new backplane in this box
[02:24] <giskard> who was doing beryl?
[02:24] <Hobbsee> giskard: imbrandon
[02:24] <giskard> Hobbsee, right
[02:24] <giskard> thank you
[02:42] <zakame> evening folks
[02:49] <zakame> is ajmitch's RC missing fixes list the latest?
[03:01] <vivia> hi, i was looking for packaging of amsn and they told me to come here, i hope it's the right place... i am a developer of amsn and, since i saw that nobody is creating the 0.96 package, i thought i'd do it myself (0.97 will be out in a couple of months anyway). do i just have to follow the instructions in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New or is there anything else i should read? can i ask here if i have any questions during the process?
[03:02] <Hobbsee> vivia: you might do better to get it into debian, then we can sync it...
[03:02] <Hobbsee> !developerresources
[03:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about developerresources - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:02] <Hobbsee> vivia: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Documentation  is useful
[03:02] <Hobbsee> but i'd put it into debian
[03:03] <Hobbsee> vivia: contact Original-Maintainer: Theodore Karkoulis <bilbo@debian.org>
[03:04] <Adri2000> there is already http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=396314
[03:04] <Ubugtu> Debian bug 396314 in amsn "aMSN 0.96rc1 is out!" [Wishlist,Open]  
[03:04] <vivia> yes, and i created one for 0.96 final some time ago but i still got no feedback on that...
[03:04] <zakame> besides we've got 3, 4 days until freeze
[03:05] <vivia> ubuntuforums is full of people trying to install it (in amsn we only officially provide an autopackage, but it seems to not work for some people)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> zakame: that's feature freeze, nto upstream version freeze, right?
[03:05] <Adri2000> UVF is Feb 8th
[03:05] <Adri2000> FF is one week later I think
[03:05] <zakame> I reckon both? see the sched?
[03:06] <zakame> oh right, yeah, one week
[03:06] <zakame> actually 22
[03:06] <vivia> besides, a lot of people are creating debs for tcl/tk 8.5a (still not final but supports antialiasing) and amsn compiled for these debs, shall i try to make packages for those as well? :D another distro (i think FC6) officially includes 8.5 now...besides i've been using (self-compiled) 8.5 for some time now, seems more stable than 8.4
[03:09] <gnomefreak> Adri2000: im seeign FF and UVF on same date feb 8th
[03:10] <Adri2000> gnomefreak: not for universe
[03:10] <zakame> gnomefreak: ff for main is on the 8
[03:11] <gnomefreak> ah ok its UVF universe on the 8th
[03:13] <Adri2000> argh, amsn-0.96.orig/debian/
[03:14] <Hobbsee> Adri2000: and some non-free stuff in there, too
[03:14] <vivia> Hobbsee: no non-free stuff iirc??......
[03:15] <Hobbsee> vivia: apparently debian thinks there is.  the dfsg in the version number
[03:15] <vivia> ah yes, they had contacted us about some icons which we then removed
[03:15] <Adri2000> skins/default/winicons/ and ctadverts.tcl
[03:16] <vivia> Adri2000: i think we had changed that in the tarball, can you give me the link of where you downloaded it? anyway, if in doubt, just remove that dir, it's useless for linux
[03:16] <vivia> let me check ctadverts
[03:17] <vivia> not used either, remove it :)
[03:18] <Adri2000> vivia: and did you add the debian/ directory in 0.96 or was it already here in 0.95?
[03:19] <vivia> it was already there, it's used for "make deb"
[03:19] <vivia> we used to provide such debs as amsn official from the amsn webpage
[03:20] <vivia> i have amsn 0.95 installed here and it doesn't include debian/ either... guess it's useless when running and not building
[03:20] <gnomefreak> to rebuild firefox do we not grab deians version sinse its not firefox anymore? just grab ubuntus version and build off that?
[03:20] <gnomefreak> debians*
[03:23] <Adri2000> vivia: I'll upload 0.96 asap
[03:24] <vivia> Adri2000: thanx a lot !!!!! :) how about tcl/tk 8.5 as i mentioned above? if it can be included even if it's still alpha, i can learn how to package by starting from there :)
[03:28] <Adri2000> vivia: it's not in debian I guess?
[03:29] <vivia> no it's not... FC6 (iirc) is the first distro to include it
[03:30] <Adri2000> anyway we don't have enough time before UVF, and I think we will wait for debian to include it, it's not a minor change
[03:31] <vivia> ok np. i'll contact the debian people. thanx a lot :) how about when amsn 0.97 is out? shall i contact debian and ask them to include it again or can i come back here?
[03:33] <Adri2000> depends... if it's still alpha I don't think debian or ubuntu will include it
[03:34] <vivia> no, i mean about amsn 0.97 final :D just like with 0.96 now
[03:36] <geser> vivia: if etch is released when amsn 0.97 gets released it should be easy to get it into debian (if the maintainer is responsive)
[03:36] <geser> we can sync then from debian
[03:37] <vivia> geser: the maintainer doesn't seem to be responsive, 0.96 has been out for two months, and i bet it's going to be less than a month for 0.97
[03:38] <Adri2000> if the maintainer is really unresponsive for too long, someone else will probably take over the package
[03:39] <zakame> vivia: you could probably confer to debian-devel if the maintainer is unresponsive or MIA
[03:39] <vivia> how long is "too long" ? and what does MIA stand for?
[03:39] <geser> vivia: Debian is in freeze now for etch
[03:41] <zakame> Missing In Action
[03:41] <geser> vivia: we will be in freeze too if amsn 0.97 releases in one month so it probably won't be included then
[03:41] <zakame> hopefully not Killed In Action ;)
[03:44] <vivia> geser: ok, so how can i know when/if it will be included? (amsn forums are full of people "i use ubuntu, how can i install 0.96?" or "i have 0.95 and this problem" "fixed in 0.96" "ok, how do i install 0.96?" this is why i'm bugging you that much :))
[03:45] <geser> vivia: amsn 0.96 will get in (if Adri2000 uploads) but for amsn 0.97 it will be to late
[03:46] <vivia> geser: ok, i understood it so far, but my point is, there will come a time for 0.97, right? :D
[03:46] <vivia> Adri2000: again, thanx a lot :)
[03:46] <geser> vivia: yes, when development for feisty+1 starts
[03:47] <vivia> geser: perfect. thanx!:)
[03:56] <zakame> anyone doing a merge for wxwindows2.4?
[04:33] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:34] <bddebian> Anyone awake? I have a dumb question :-)
[04:36] <lotusleaf> and for your next question?
[04:36] <lotusleaf> :P
[04:36] <bddebian> wth are foo.postinst.debhelper files?  Just examples?
[04:36] <Nafallo> ROTFLMGAO
[04:41] <zakame> wth?
[04:41] <zakame> lol
[04:42] <bddebian> That's funny?
[04:45] <zakame> er ECHAN
[04:49] <geser> gnomefreak: yes, they replaced firefox with iceweasel
[04:50] <zakame> geser: not GNU Iceweasel, right? just the branding
[04:50] <gnomefreak> im getting replies on ubuntus firefox about debians firefox doing the same thing :( veriosn 2.0.0.1 
[04:50] <geser> yes, it's the firefox code but without the firefox branding
[04:51] <gnomefreak> should i have him file it on iceweasel?
[06:19] <imbrandon> bddebian, examples i think
[06:19] <bddebian> Heya imbrandon, thx
[06:19] <imbrandon> heya bddebian 
[06:20] <gnomefreak> hey guys wants a local app i acn use for a bug report?
[06:23] <gnomefreak> firefox needs more languages for latest headlines and it works upstream so i assume its simply ubuntu's ff build
[06:23] <gnomefreak> so i would like to assign this to a local team
[06:27] <enyc> ** bugs with # 78005 77485 (SRU updates for qpsmtpd) need other people to install the package, configure it todo something (like deliver all mail to a maildir/) ('sudo dpkg-reconfigure qpsmtpd') and reboot, check the service still running and post "WorksForMe" comments, thanks ;-) **
[07:30] <Zic_> hello
[07:31] <Zic_> An admin of REVU can re-sync the keyring please ?
[07:36] <AnAnt> hello
[07:36] <AnAnt> ping bddebian 
[07:37] <AnAnt> I have some questions
[07:38] <AnAnt> is it correct for *.so files to exist in /usr/share/<package_name>/lib directory ?
[07:38] <AnAnt> also another question about package versioning
[07:38] <AnAnt> if my package is new (never entered Ubuntu before), should the package version be -0ubuntu1 or it could be -0ubuntu4 ?
[07:39] <bddebian> No shared libraries should be in /usr/lib
[07:39] <bddebian> Version should be 0ubuntu1
[07:41] <AnAnt> bddebian: thanks
[07:45] <AnAnt> bddebian: oh, btw: HIDE
[07:45] <bddebian> :-)
[07:45] <AnAnt> gotta go , bye
[08:02] <ScottK> bddebian: Guess what - I new version of Courier got release.  I redid the merge...   [Bug 83176]   Have fun...
[08:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83176 in courier "courier: merge new debian version 0.53.3-4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83176
[08:32] <vivia> Adri2000: thanx :)
[08:36] <Adri2000> vivia: np ;) I'm currently testing the package, it seems to work but when I try Help -> About, it says "the requested file has not been translated into the current language yet" (even if I use the program in english), any idea?
[08:37] <vivia> Adri2000: mv ~/.amsn ~/.amsn_backup and try launching amsn again?.... (VERY WEIRD)
[08:37] <Adri2000> same
[08:38] <vivia> let me see
[08:39] <vivia> lol, someone has a funny one here
[08:39] <vivia> did you copy README to destination directory?
[08:40] <vivia> http://pastebin.ca/340421   <-- there you go
[08:41] <Adri2000> vivia: this is not the error I have
[08:42] <vivia> transnotexists The requested file has not been translated into the current language yet.   <-- wasn't it this one?
[08:43] <vivia> besides, it's in the proc aboutWindow ....  triple-check your README, this is my guess
[08:43] <Adri2000> /usr/share/amsn/README ?
[08:43] <vivia> yes
[08:44] <Adri2000> ok, it's better now
[08:44] <Adri2000> in fact the debian package moves /usr/share/amsn/README to /usr/share/doc/amsn/README
[08:45] <Adri2000> and same for TODO, FAQ, HELP, ...
[08:46] <vivia> ouch, TODO is outdated :S FAQ too, the menu redirects to the wiki... anyway
[08:46] <vivia> is it patched to read README from /usr/share/doc/amsn ?
[08:47] <Adri2000> no, that is the problem
[08:47] <Adri2000> vivia: README, is it the only file needed and read by the program?
[08:48] <vivia> i think so, let me commit something and i'll check it in a minute... do you want a patch?
[08:49] <Adri2000> no, I think I will just cp /usr/share/amsn/README /usr/share/doc/amsn/README instead of mv it
[08:49] <vivia> doc_files       := docs INSTALL CREDITS FAQ GNUGPL HELP README TODO AGREEMENT remote.help   <-- are these the ones that you copy?
[08:49] <vivia> anything more?
[08:51] <Adri2000> docs/*, AGREEMENT, TODO, FAQ, HELP, README, CREDITS, are moved to /usr/share/doc/amsn/
[08:52] <vivia> CREDITS and HELP are read, and i have a question about TODO, let me see
[08:52] <Adri2000> INSTALL and GNUGPL are removed
[08:58] <vivia> no, TODO isn't read (phew). just HELP, README and CREDITS
[08:59] <vivia> ah, also docs/* ... needed :S
[08:59] <Adri2000> ok
[08:59] <Adri2000> ah?
[08:59] <vivia> otherwise README and HELP will only appear in english
[09:00] <vivia> brb, got a huge fly in my room :S
[09:00] <Adri2000> in which part of the program is HELP read?
[09:02] <vivia> in the chatwindow, help menu
[09:03] <Adri2000> ok
[09:07] <Adri2000> so, CREDITS, HELP, README, and docs/* for localised README and HELP, right?
[09:09] <vivia> right...
[09:22] <sistpoty> hi folks
[09:22] <ajmitch> hey sistpoty 
[09:22] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[09:40] <ajmitch> sistpoty: so, universe is ready for UVF? :)
[09:41] <sistpoty> ajmitch: we do have a few days left, don't we? ;)
[09:48] <ajmitch> sure, a few days for everyone to do work :)
[09:49] <ajmitch> one problem - we haven't agreed on the process for uvf approvals, same as last release with motu-uvf?
[09:50] <ajmitch> currently that's only dholbach, siretart & slomo
[09:50] <ajmitch> aha, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess 
[09:50] <slomo> ajmitch: want to take my job? :)
[09:50] <sistpoty> ajmitch: that's right... imo we shouldn't change the process
[09:50] <ajmitch> slomo: not if you're going to be around to handle it
[09:51] <siretart> hey sistpoty, hi ajmitch 
[09:52] <sistpoty> hi siretart
[09:52] <siretart> *yawn*
[09:52] <ajmitch> hey siretart 
[09:52] <ajmitch> ok, so we have 2 of the uvf team here who now know that they're goign to be flooded with bugs in a week :)
[09:52] <sistpoty> siretart, slomo: how exactly did you handle uvf last release? need >= n acks or just any member of the team to give an ack?
[09:53] <sistpoty> and do you think the team with its current members will suffice to handle the requests?
[09:54] <siretart> IIRC we required 2/3 acks
[09:54] <geser> what should happen to the old open uvf bugs?
[09:54] <siretart> geser: get the packages updated ASAP :)
[09:54] <slomo> ajmitch: not sure if i have enough free time this release... we'll see ;)
[09:54] <slomo> sistpoty: yep, 2/3 acks
[09:54] <sistpoty> ah, k
[09:55] <ajmitch> slomo: well, 2/4, really :)
[09:55] <ajmitch> geser: there's 1 bug still assigned to motu-uvf
[09:55] <geser> and 2 subscribed bugs
[09:55] <sistpoty> ajmitch: who was #4?
[09:55] <vivia> Adri2000: is the package ok?
[09:55] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I was
[09:56] <slomo> ajmitch: so let's do 2/4 agani and it's fine... anyway, brb ;)
[09:56] <ajmitch> sistpoty: in a 'temporary' manner :)
[09:56] <Adri2000> vivia: currently building, it should be ok now
[09:56] <sistpoty> ajmitch: ah...
[09:57] <sistpoty> slomo, siretart, ajmitch: 2/4 would sound very sane to me ;)
[09:57] <ajmitch> since membership was only for a release, and I was in too many teams :)
[09:57] <geser> siretart: should the old uvf bugs be rejected or "fix released" if the version is in feisty?
[09:57] <ajmitch> geser: it doesn't really matter, but I'd say fix released
[10:01] <siretart> geser: I'd also say fix released
[10:02] <siretart> gnah, /me needs to get up at 6am tomorrow, and is already tired
[10:03] <siretart> slomo: do you still use cryptsetup? perhaps in a feisty setup?
[10:03] <Nafallo> haha
[10:03] <Nafallo> siretart seeks guineapigs ;-)
[10:04] <siretart> slomo: if yes, I uploaded a new upstream version of cryptsetup to feisty today, the debian changelog did sound to me that we really want this for kernels > 2.6.19
[10:04] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[10:04] <siretart> Nafallo: all cryptsetup users are guineapigs now :)
[10:05] <siretart> anyway, it did work for me, even with non-root filesystems mounted at boot time
[10:05] <sistpoty> hi TheMuso
[10:05] <siretart> according to the bug lists on launchpad, it seems that it needs quite some love to have encrypted root
[10:06] <ajmitch> hey TheMuso 
[10:07] <siretart> huhu TheMuso 
[10:15] <Adri2000> vivia: amsn 0.96 uploaded ;)
[10:27] <vivia> Adri2000: thanx a lot!!! :)
[10:27] <pochu> vivia: from?
[10:28] <vivia> pochu: from what?
[10:28] <pochu> country. spain?
[10:28] <vivia> greece
[10:28] <pochu> and your name?
[10:28] <pochu> "el mundo en que crei..."
[10:28] <pochu> :)
[10:28] <vivia> yes, it's a song from shakira and i love this song :)
[10:29] <TheMuso> What is the MOTU team used for on lp these days?
[10:29] <crimsun> largely, nothing
[10:29] <crimsun> historically it was for bug triaging
[10:29] <TheMuso> Right.
[10:31] <geser> has the motu merge team any use nowadays?
[10:33] <sistpoty> geser: no... it was only used back then when we used my small webtool to keep track of who is doing what merge
[10:33] <crimsun> pirast: please adhere to sync request protocol
[10:34] <pirast> crimsun, sorry I don't understand :-P
[10:34] <pirast> what is sync request protocol
[10:34] <crimsun> pirast: i.e., don't subscribe ubuntu-archive; subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors; follow https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-August/000181.html
[10:34] <Adri2000> and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess
[10:35] <pirast> crimsun, i am sorry
[10:35] <crimsun> np
[10:36] <pirast> huh.. i cant unsubscribe ubuntu-archive :-(
[10:37] <mooey> howdy. im trying to fix a bug in the gnome-panel package. i've altered the code, but when i rebuild the packages with 'dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot' it complains that it cant find @cdbs@ as a dependancy. tacking -d to the end of the dpkg-buildpackage command doesn't help as dpkg-source complains later in the process. removing the dependancy from debian/control would work but it reappears each time i try to build >_>
[10:37] <sistpoty> mooey: do you have all build-dependencies installed?
[10:38] <mooey> sistpoty, yea. apart from @cdbs@ which appears to be some sort of directive - its not an actual dependancy
[10:38] <Nafallo> mooey: apt-get build-dep gnome-panel
[10:38] <mooey> all the deps it needs to build are installed, its just that it depends on the package '@cdbs@' which isn't actually a package
[10:38] <Nafallo> !info cdbs
[10:38] <ubotu> cdbs: common build system for Debian packages. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.46ubuntu6 (edgy), package size 121 kB, installed size 428 kB
[10:38] <mooey> that package is installed
[10:39] <Nafallo> ah!
[10:39] <Nafallo> you want that other package :-P
[10:39] <mooey> but its not that which it depends on, its literally: '@cdbs@'
[10:39] <pirast> n8 guys
[10:39] <mooey> i assume something is supposed to process it and replace it with some further dependancies
[10:41] <Nafallo> why can't I remember what the damn package is called? :-)
[10:43] <mooey> ;-(
[10:43] <sistpoty> mooey: it's a bug in the package build system... 
[10:44] <mooey> sistpoty, a known one?
[10:45] <sistpoty> mooey: well, a bug in the package actually, since it tries to create the build-dependencies during build
[10:45] <siretart> good n8
[10:45] <sistpoty> mooey: simply remove @cdbs@ from the control file
[10:45] <sistpoty> gn8 siretart
[10:46] <Nafallo> sistpoty: it's needed ;-)
[10:47] <sistpoty> wow... wtf? uploaders.mk is 3v1l! *g*
[10:47] <Nafallo> sistpoty: the package I don't remember does thing like fix control.in -> control aswell :-)
[10:47] <sistpoty> Nafallo: and that's a grave policy violation
[10:48] <mooey> it appears to build when i forcibly remove it from control & control.in. i need a faster pc :-)
[10:48] <Nafallo> sistpoty: don't blame me ;-)
[10:49] <sistpoty> hehe
[11:07] <rc-1> hi, its defiantly not ready yet but im writing a GPL chess/go variants (and more to come) games server, and was wondering if once it was finished i could possibly get the client into a repo :?)
[11:08] <crimsun> rc-1: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New
[11:08] <crimsun> please, please read the topic.
[11:09] <rc-1> crimsun, sorry :( thanks for link though
[11:52] <LaserJock> crimsun: we have a topic?!? ;-)
[11:54] <ajmitch> LaserJock: we do?
[11:55] <LaserJock> ajmitch: that's what he said anyway
[11:56] <LaserJock> that's one thing I don't like about irssi, it's easy for me to miss the channel topic
[11:56] <crimsun> ...err, it's at the top of your buffer?
[11:56] <LaserJock> but it's one line and you don't even see it all
[11:57] <TheMuso> LaserJock: /topic is your friend.
[11:58] <LaserJock> yeah, but I have to remember to do that
[11:59] <TheMuso> aww
 but it's hard! </barbie>
[11:59] <TheMuso> haha
[11:59] <LaserJock> well, yeah. I just don't think of it
[12:00] <LaserJock> I just find it easier with xchat or other GUI IRC clients
[12:00] <crimsun> sure, with their tooltips and multiline topics
[12:00] <crimsun> they're just pampering you
[12:01] <LaserJock> :)
[12:01] <sistpoty> don't forget the nice nick coloring :P
[12:02] <LaserJock> oh yes, the blessed nick coloring
[12:02] <tsmithe> that's the best feature!
[12:02] <LaserJock> sistpoty: I changed my LP id just for you ;-)
[12:03] <sistpoty> LaserJock: thanks :)=
[12:03] <crimsun> I've always found Konversation's coloring a bit bizarre
[12:03] <LaserJock> what is ctcp?
[12:03] <crimsun> cowtippingchemistprotocol
[12:03] <LaserJock> haha
[12:03] <LaserJock> crimsun: have you been drinking? ;-)
[12:04] <tsmithe> i use it to see what people's clients are
[12:04] <crimsun> from the firehose that is ubuntu-bugs.
[12:04] <tsmithe> ie, /ctcp <person> version
[12:04] <LaserJock> crimsun: that'll get you a little punchy for sure
[12:05] <tsmithe> LaserJock, "Darwin i386"?
[12:05] <LaserJock> OS X 
[12:05] <tsmithe> oh of course. you mean you're not using ubuntu?!
[12:05] <pochu> >tsmithe< CTCP VERSION
[12:05] <pochu> -tsmithe- VERSION xchat 2.8.0 Ubuntu
[12:05] <pochu> as that? :)
[12:05] <tsmithe> yeah
[12:06] <LaserJock> tsmithe: not for my work desktop no
[12:06] <tsmithe> tsk tsk
[12:06] <LaserJock> I did for a while
[12:07] <LaserJock> but my boss doesn't want me "playing around"
[12:07] <tsmithe> hehe
[12:07] <LaserJock> I do have a fiesty machine at work though
[12:07] <LaserJock> an older machine that we aren't using for anything
[12:07] <LaserJock> and I run Ubuntu at home
[12:08] <sistpoty> sheesh, I've to turn of ctcp, otherwise ppl. might figure that I'm using vista+messenger *g*
[12:08] <LaserJock> :-)
[12:09] <LaserJock> hmm, so it tells me when somebody requests ctcp version
[12:09] <LaserJock> is that because it can be used by attackers?
[12:10] <crimsun> well, no
[12:10] <crimsun> FreeNode versions you iirc
[12:10] <crimsun> (on client connect)
[12:10] <crimsun> versioning, like Linux usage, has gotten a bad rap
[12:10] <crimsun> cos you know only hackers [sic]  use Linux
[12:13] <Nafallo> lol
[12:14] <Nafallo> my ex girlfriend and she who is likely to be my next are NOT hackers ;-)