[12:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83132 in firefox (main) "Firefox freezes Ubuntu Suddenly - Reboot needed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83132
[12:41] <crimsun> I find it difficult to believe that FF is causing these system freezes
[12:42] <crimsun> is it trampling something in ram? (stacksmashing would be caught)
[12:42] <crimsun> is it triggering an X driver boog?
[12:49] <Admiral_Chicago> i won't mock biology, just realize we physicist created the A bomb :)
[12:50] <crimsun> you mean the mathematicians, but whatever.
[01:26] <gnomefreak> im willing to bet bug 83132 beryl is causing the freeze. it does it with latest beryl :)
[01:26] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83132 in firefox "Firefox freezes Ubuntu Suddenly - Reboot needed" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83132
[01:27] <gnomefreak> reboot isnt needed hes just impatiant(sp)
[06:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83171 in firefox (main) "www.sony.com bug when using the menu" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83171
[11:50] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83194 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when switching video mode at filecabi.net" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83194
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83197 in firefox (main) "crash on wine" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83197
[01:33] <gnomefreak> guys we need a few :responses made for the wiki. if someone whats to right them let me know (im not good with coming up with responses
[03:21] <gnomefreak> who has rebult ff lately?
[03:26] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83229 in firefox (main) "could not close window with ctrl-W until I clicked on the	background" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83229
[05:00] <gnomefreak> anyone know why firefox-dom-inspector is not in the LP source-packages when trying to set source package on a bug?
[05:03] <gnomefreak> seems to be built in firefox :(
[06:06] <Ubugtu> New bug: #45357 in firefox (main) "Firefox does not react on keyboard input anymore when opening certain pages" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/45357
[06:14] <gnomefreak> crimsun: you here?
[06:51] <Ubugtu> New bug: #52646 in firefox (main) "send link does nothing" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52646
[07:01] <Ubugtu> New bug: #63201 in firefox (main) "spreadsheet.google.com freezes the whole system" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/63201
[07:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #65694 in firefox (main) "bookmark crash" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/65694
[07:11] <asac> hi! ... is this the normal pace at which serious bugs come in?
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: those aren't serious bugs
[07:11] <asac> :)
[07:12] <gnomefreak> those are being closed by me
[07:12] <gnomefreak> lol
[07:12] <Admiral_Chicago> those are mostly crash reports.
[07:12] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks john
[07:12] <gnomefreak> notice either rejected or fix released
[07:12] <gnomefreak> :)
[07:13] <asac> so what is the policy ... on crashers ? :)
[07:13] <gnomefreak> asac: file a ug report :)
[07:13] <gnomefreak> bug even
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: well, with crashes we close most of them because they aren't reproduceable
[07:14] <Admiral_Chicago> secondly, many of them are due to flash, totem, et al
[07:15] <asac> aha ... is flash, totem a temporary issue or a regression?
[07:15] <Admiral_Chicago> not sure what you mean
[07:18] <asac> I mean ... since when get that 'many' crash reports filed that are due to flash? was this introduced by some recent upload?
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> asac: no, it was fixed by a recent upload (Flash player 9) that was updated after 2 years
[07:20] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83270 in firefox (main) "Firefox closed down after completing the loading of a page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83270
[07:20] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: i got a bug if you want to look at it and give your opinion if you have time. bug #83229
[07:20] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83229 in firefox "could not close window with ctrl-W until I clicked on the	background" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83229
[07:21] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: which one
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> oh i see
[07:22] <gnomefreak> the bug above for you to opinion on
[07:25] <Admiral_Chicago> i don't understand this statement "ounds like you had to click the emtpy space becasue the firefox window wasnt the focused window."
[07:26] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: if you have terminl open with firefox behind it that key combo wont do anything (firefox in background == not focused
[07:26] <gnomefreak> )*
[07:28] <Admiral_Chicago> okay so I have a window open (gobby) and gobby focus. Fx is in the background, no focus. then what am I supposed to do
[07:30] <gnomefreak> he states he has to click on ff background anywhere than use the key combo. makes me think he has window open infront of ff
[07:31] <asac> assume you have firefox open ... click on the desktop next to it -> window gets deactivated ... loses focus .... then no input will go to ffox
[07:31] <gnomefreak> so try it without clicking on ff background
[07:32] <Admiral_Chicago> I had Akregator open in front of it (with focus) and I hit ctrl + W and nothing happened
[07:32] <gnomefreak> correctme if im wrong but to use ff under wine you need windows version of ff and windows version of flash coorect?
[07:32] <Admiral_Chicago> yes
[07:33] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: thats what makes me think it is users fault
[07:33] <gnomefreak> good :)
[07:34] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: seems like we don't want an unfocused window reacting to keystrokes no?
[07:34] <gnomefreak> we only want focused windows reacting to key strokes
[07:34] <asac> mozillas used to have hard-to-reproduce focus bugs. Hard to say if this report is really about such a case.
[07:34] <gnomefreak> other wise you will end up with major issues
[07:35] <Admiral_Chicago> exactly.
[07:35] <gnomefreak> not sure if i should wait for his reply but i assume so
[07:35] <Admiral_Chicago> well it is Rob Collins, he wouldn't be leaving a bug report if it wasn't good
[07:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #67604 in firefox (main) "Firefox crashes when closing the window" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/67604
[07:47] <AlexLatchford> Good work today John
[07:49] <gnomefreak> ty AlexLatchford
[07:50] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: i have one of your bugs in my window atm not sure what the hell to do with it. i think its totem causing ff to crash :(
[07:50] <AlexLatchford> number?
[07:51] <gnomefreak> bug 69382
[07:51] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 69382 in firefox "Firefox freezes on audio files when right clicking, Save Link As" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69382
[07:51] <gnomefreak> i just commented on it
[07:51] <AlexLatchford> hmm ok
[07:51] <AlexLatchford> (just updating wiki, 1 sec)
[07:53] <AlexLatchford> Hmm I have seen this bug happening quite a bit
[07:53] <AlexLatchford> gimme 10 minutes to look for duplicates
[07:54] <gnomefreak> ty make sure they are all using gstreamer :)
[07:54] <AlexLatchford> yeah I will do
[07:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69315 in firefox (main) "random crash" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69315
[07:55] <gnomefreak> thank you
[07:57] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/72018
[07:57] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 72018 in firefox "crash gtk_style_realize Segfault when clicking back after failing to watch a video" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[07:57] <AlexLatchford> It doesn't say which plugin that user is using though
[07:57] <AlexLatchford> but the behaviour seems similar
[07:58] <AlexLatchford> also.. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/77564
[07:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 77564 in firefox "Crash while trying to save an rtf from a GoogleMail email (but had just failed to open an rm file with Totem)" [Medium,Unconfirmed] 
[07:58] <AlexLatchford> might be of interest
[07:59] <gnomefreak> looking
[08:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69382 in firefox (main) "Firefox freezes on audio files when right clicking, Save Link As" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69382
[08:02] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm this bug is a good one i think i will add a response to wiki. thank you :)
[08:04] <gnomefreak> gonna add one about totem versiona nd what package
[08:04] <gnomefreak> have to think of how to say it
[08:04] <AlexLatchford> hmm j
[08:04] <AlexLatchford> k even
[08:05] <asac> so -gstreamer makes ff crash but -xine not?
[08:07] <gnomefreak> asac: when they answer we will know. but -gstreamer has had crash issues in past where -xine didnt
[08:08] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: what do you think of: Which totem pacakge do you have installed?
[08:08] <gnomefreak> Which version of the totem package is installed?
[08:09] <gnomefreak> would like to make it  a bit easier to understand but not sure how to word it
[08:09] <gnomefreak> ah ha
[08:09] <AlexLatchford> meh, I have -xine installed
[08:09] <AlexLatchford> haven't had too many problems with it
[08:10] <AlexLatchford> some videos wont play, but no crashes
[08:11] <gnomefreak> well its up there. feel free to change it if you think it can be worded better.
[08:14] <AlexLatchford> okay, I have the responses list on my todo, along with /Bugs and /Bugs/Triage so it will get a make over soon enough :)
[08:15] <AlexLatchford> I have cleaned up most of the rest of the wiki, just needs a few more things done to it on the actual main pages now
[08:16] <AlexLatchford> lol, I am the opposite
[08:19] <asac> gnomefreak: which page did you edit?
[08:20] <gnomefreak> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs/Triage/Responses?action=show
[08:22] <gnomefreak> we need to come up with a more general part instead of My IBM T43 had the same problem.
[08:23] <gnomefreak> Some people have reported that their IBM T43 had the same problem. maybe?
[08:23] <asac> hmmm ... maybe it would be better to ask for a complete list of plugins as well as extensions in response to crash reports? e.g. like opening about:plugins and providing some info from there?
[08:24] <gnomefreak> i thought of that and had asked someone to do that but. its a long list (mostly java related)
[08:24] <asac> yeah ... from what I have seen so far, the apport stuff is nice, but tends to trigger lots of duplicates. which are a pita to deal with properly.
[08:24] <asac> who did you talk with?
[08:24] <gnomefreak> some bug i did today
[08:24] <gnomefreak> i asked for it
[08:25] <asac> ah okay
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69522 in firefox (main) "/tmp/_usr_lib_firefox_firefox-bin.souko0.crash" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69522
[08:25] <asac> i currently look at about:plugins ... sadly I cannot identify from that info if its a -gstreamer or -xine totem :/
[08:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #69460 in firefox (main) "Crashes after filling up my disk space" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/69460
[08:27] <gnomefreak> you can but let me check
[08:28] <gnomefreak> thought you could. i remember seeing xine in them before but with ff 3.0 and feisty i dont see it like that anymore
[08:28] <gnomefreak> cant remember if i even have totem-xine installed
[08:28] <gnomefreak> there were depends issues earlier in devel
[08:28] <asac> i have edgy ... and don't see it either
[08:31] <asac> hmmm totem-xine ships from universe ... same for -gstreamer?
[08:33] <gnomefreak> gstreamer is in main
[08:33] <gnomefreak> i believe its installed from installer
[08:34] <asac> interesting ... totem-gstreamer is in main .. totem-xine is in universe/gnome ... but both are build from same source :)
[08:35] <gnomefreak> xine has restricted formats in it
[08:36] <gnomefreak> it plays most of w32codecs by default
[08:36] <gnomefreak> opening a popup crashes ff? dont open the damn pop ups
[08:36] <asac> hehe
[08:39] <Admiral_Chicago> AxlRose: ask gnomefreak i think he's around
[08:40] <Admiral_Chicago> also AlexLatchford might be able to help
[08:40] <gnomefreak> huh?
[08:40] <AxlRose> excellent
[08:40] <AxlRose> I've got a question for you concerning the mplayer plugin
[08:41] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: ask it we might beable to help
[08:41] <AxlRose> gnomefreak:  I'm trying to watch a movie trailer on yahoo.com...and all  I get is sound and now picture
[08:41] <AxlRose> gnomefreak:  *no picture
[08:41] <AxlRose> gnomefreak:  it shows the mplayer plugin logo, and where the streaming is comming from
[08:42] <gnomefreak> what extentsion is the file? does it work if you download it and play it
[08:42] <asac> AxlRose: missing codec?
[08:42] <AxlRose> I don't think I can download it...it streams
[08:43] <gnomefreak> should beable to but that is up to yahoo if they let you.
[08:43] <gnomefreak> asac: you have mplayer installed
[08:43] <gnomefreak> or AlexLatchford do you?
[08:44] <asac> unfortunately not .... but I remember to remember :) that mplayer (once) will not completely give up if for instance video codec is missing but audio is there.
[08:44] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: your on edgy?
[08:44] <asac> AxlRose: how did you install it?
[08:45] <AxlRose> yes edgu
[08:45] <AxlRose> *edgy
[08:45] <AxlRose> and I installed it using Automatix
[08:45] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70024 in firefox (main) "Crash in Firefox when printing" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70024
[08:47] <gnomefreak> well that leaves me out of this. im done tracking issues for automatix (try asking in #automatix?)
[08:48] <asac> hmm cannot install it ... no support for amd64
[08:48] <asac> AxlRose: does mplayer work correctly otherwise?
[08:48] <AxlRose> asac:  sure does
[08:52] <asac> try to install  all codecs if you haven't done so already ... otherwise ... its hard to say.
[08:53] <asac> sorry :-/
[08:53] <AxlRose> where would I find the codecs?
[08:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83288 in mozilla-firefox-adblock (universe) "firefox adblock doesn't work" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83288
[08:56] <gnomefreak> ubotu tell AxlRose about restricted
[08:56] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: check your pm
[08:56] <asac> hmmm don't know which package it is ... there should be a w32codecs package available somewhere
[08:57] <AxlRose> gnomefreak: I don't get a pm
[08:57] <gnomefreak> asac: i have a deb on my site :)
[08:57] <gnomefreak> is taht all you need is the w32codecs?
[08:57] <asac> gnomefreak: yeah then ... AxlRose try that :)
[08:57] <asac> maybe ... just digging around ;)
[08:58] <gnomefreak> think i uploaded it on the new site
[08:58] <gnomefreak> if you give me a minute i will upload it
[08:58] <AxlRose> there is nothing with w32codecs in the name in adept
[08:58] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: you wont find it there
[08:59] <AxlRose> oh
[08:59] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: give me a few minutes
[08:59] <AxlRose> k
[08:59] <asac> AxlRose: be warned it, might be illegal afaik :-P
[08:59] <gnomefreak> im uploading them now i will giv eyou link when its done
[08:59] <AxlRose> k
[09:00] <gnomefreak> about 15 minutes or so
[09:01] <AlexLatchford> meh, was in the shower.
[09:02] <AlexLatchford> link me to the video in question please
[09:02] <AlexLatchford> dig about in the html code, see if the actual format is supported
[09:03] <AlexLatchford> AxlRose: ping
[09:03] <AxlRose> http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1808716430/info
[09:03] <AlexLatchford> ta
[09:05] <AlexLatchford> hmm the video plays for me using -xine, seems to be in .wmv format
[09:05] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: the older ones are here http://www.youmortals.com/ubuntu/packages/ not much is different
[09:05] <AlexLatchford> ttp://mediaframe.yahoo.com/buildlist.asp?p=movies&f=1808716430&type=t&t=Transformers&id=1540540-180626&m=wmv&r=1000&l=SAV&ext=1
[09:05] <AlexLatchford> http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/buildlist.asp?p=movies&f=1808716430&type=t&t=Transformers&id=1540540-180626&m=wmv&r=1000&l=SAV&ext=1
[09:05] <gnomefreak> changed things around and havent gotten all the uploads done in the new place
[09:06] <gnomefreak> they are wmv the w32codecs should do it
[09:06] <AlexLatchford> yes
[09:07] <AxlRose> so it's not playing because mplayer doesn't support wmv?
[09:07] <AlexLatchford> no mplayer should support it
[09:07] <gnomefreak> correct
[09:07] <AxlRose> so what do I need the codecs for
[09:07] <gnomefreak> wmv == window media video
[09:07] <asac> AxlRose: the package you installed does not ship the codec ... thats all
[09:07] <AlexLatchford> no wait
[09:08] <gnomefreak> the w32codecs on the link i gave you above
[09:08] <AlexLatchford> the format it is using is .asf, the streaming format
[09:08] <AxlRose> I know what mwv stands for lol :P
[09:09] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: do yuou know if they are DRM encoded?
[09:09] <gnomefreak> the wmv hes trying to watch
[09:09] <AlexLatchford> hmm, no idea
[09:10] <AxlRose> AlexLatchford: so do I need to install the codec or not
[09:10] <gnomefreak> w32codecs wont play DRM encoded wmvs
[09:10] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: yes
[09:10] <AxlRose> because if it's potentially illegal i don't want to install it :P
[09:10] <AxlRose> if I don't need to
[09:10] <AxlRose> alright
[09:11] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: This package is not available from the Ubuntu repositories due to licensing and legal restrictions
[09:11] <AxlRose> well no ones gonna bust down my door are they :P
[09:11] <AlexLatchford> well I presume its not, I am using totem-xine and I can see the file
[09:12] <gnomefreak> btw autocrapix has them but i strongly advise you to not use it at all
[09:12] <AlexLatchford> I would install the totem-xine plugin for firefox, it seems to do the job on most embedded movies
[09:12] <AxlRose> I can try that
[09:12] <AlexLatchford> hmm, but that doesn't really solve the bug lol
[09:14] <AxlRose> AlexLatchford: should totem-xine show up in adept?
[09:14] <asac> AxlRose: search for codecs
[09:14] <asac> install xine extra plugin
[09:15] <AlexLatchford> adept is synaptic for KDE right?
[09:15] <AxlRose> i get libxine-extracodecs
[09:15] <AxlRose> yes
[09:15] <AlexLatchford> should do then yes
[09:16] <AxlRose> do I need to have totem installed for this to work lol
[09:17] <AxlRose> ohh I think found it
[09:17] <AxlRose> totem-mozilla ???
[09:17] <AlexLatchford> yes
[09:17] <asac> but then you won't use mplayer anymore I guess :)
[09:18] <AxlRose> how do I specify which plugin firefox uses?
[09:18] <AlexLatchford> I would suppose you would uninstall the other one
[09:19] <asac> maybe the plugin packages do even conflict?
[09:19] <gnomefreak> totem and totem-xine ther eis also a totem-xine-plugin or totem-plugin
[09:21] <AxlRose> i installed totem-mozilla...tried the video...still no luck!!
[09:21] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: you didnt install totem-xine
[09:22] <AxlRose> gnomefreak:  i think it was already intalled
[09:22] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: open synaptic and serach for totem install totem-xine and if you se ea plugin  for totem install it
[09:24] <AxlRose> Now it says:  Video codec not handled Windows media player 9
[09:24] <gnomefreak> im taking the rest of day for other work. dont forget meeting in -meeting tomorrow (i think)
[09:24] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: its most likely DRM encoded
[09:25] <AxlRose> AlexLatchford said it worked from him...didn't he?
[09:25] <asac> Ack ;)
[09:25] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: apt-cache policy totem-xine
[09:25] <AlexLatchford> hmm
[09:26] <gnomefreak> what doe sit say version installed?
[09:26] <AxlRose> 2.
[09:26] <AxlRose> 2.16.2
[09:29] <AxlRose> also it looks like totem-xine uninstalled totem-mozilla
[09:29] <gnomefreak> like it should
[09:30] <AxlRose> k
[09:32] <asac> does kde/kubuntu have (parts of) gnome by default? for instance, gnome-control-panel or at least gconftool-2 ?
[09:32] <Admiral_Chicago> no
[09:32] <AxlRose> ok...so i restarted firefox...and tried to watch the video again and it says I don't even have a plugin for watching videos installed
[09:35] <asac> hmm actually bug 52646 is a valid bug ... its about the lack of proper kde integration of firefox
[09:35] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 52646 in firefox "send link does nothing" [Medium,Rejected]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/52646
[09:39] <gnomefreak> asac: nope not valid because you can set thunderbird and firefox as defaults
[09:39] <asac> when?
[09:39] <asac> where?
[09:40] <gnomefreak> i do it all the time
[09:40] <asac> in about:config?
[09:40] <asac> or kde?
[09:40] <gnomefreak> ff in update-alternatives and thunderbird in the system settings
[09:40] <gnomefreak> in kde
[09:41] <gnomefreak> oh and feisty will havebetter intergation
[09:41] <asac> yeah ... there is a debconf script for thunderbird ... but none for firefox
[09:41] <AxlRose> firefox is my default
[09:41] <gnomefreak> asac: update-alternatives for firefox
[09:41] <AxlRose> and I didn't do anything special
[09:42] <gnomefreak> AxlRose: gnome or kde?
[09:42] <asac> ah :)
[09:42] <AxlRose> KDE
[09:42] <gnomefreak> just because people file bugs without asking for support isnt our problem
[09:43] <gnomefreak> bugs are problems with programs not people
[09:47] <asac> how about an enhancement bug?
[09:48] <gnomefreak> wishlist?
[09:48] <asac> yes
[09:49] <asac> enhance kde integration - mailto: handler is not configurable in kde control panel?
[09:49] <asac> i guess its control center ;)
[09:49] <asac> isn't it?
[10:22] <asac> ok, have a nice evening :) cu
[10:27] <crimsun> gnomefreak: in and out this afternoon
[10:53] <gnomefreak> crimsun: have you ever built firefox for ubuntu? i want to try my hand at it but debian nolonger has it so im not sure how to do it maybe gran ubuntus and instead of debian grab mozillas build?
[10:58] <AlexLatchford> man trying to write a mutli-user permission and grouping system is a little harder than it seems
[11:05] <Ubugtu> New bug: #48617 in firefox (main) "galeon says it is Firefox via ssh URI" [Low,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48617