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neoplasticityhello02:34
neoplasticityanyone home?03:16
elmo40nope03:20
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RichEdhey elmo40 ...08:06
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elmo40RichEd: hi08:50
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nixternalsomeones got mail!  I have just sent the link to the new edubuntu-docs package for Feisty that I created. enjoy!09:02
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cbx33mornin willvdl09:53
RichEdg'morning cbx33 & willvdl again09:53
cbx33hey RichEd09:53
cbx33ogra_ been about yet?09:53
RichEd!seen ogra09:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seen ogra - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:54
willvdlhey all09:54
RichEd!seen ogra_09:54
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seen ogra_ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:54
cbx33howz it going willvdl09:55
RichEdwasup with the bot and !seen ... have i got my syntax wrong ?09:56
cbx33no no that's right09:56
cbx33!seen RichEd09:56
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about seen riched - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi09:56
RichEdso is ubotu battling to get out of bed today ? was there a bot drinking convention this weekend causing short term memory loss ?09:57
cbx33what's edubuntugirl been up to09:57
cbx33she's a naughty girl isn't she09:57
RichEdbut cbx33 to answer your question: nope not from my side ... last chatted to ogra in friday09:57
cbx33ok09:57
RichEdhe'll be busy busy with tests and feature freeze09:57
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cbx33RichEd, I know that, that's why I need to speak to him09:58
RichEdedubuntgirl: tell ogra and ogra_ that cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment09:59
RichEdedubuntugirl: tell ogra that cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment10:00
edubuntugirlRighto, RichEd!10:00
RichEdedubuntugirl: tell ogra_ that cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment10:00
edubuntugirlRighto, RichEd!10:00
RichEdthanks10:00
cbx33hah10:00
cbx33he's gonna get plastered with message10:00
cbx33s10:00
cbx33hehehe10:00
highvoltagecbx33: if you do a !seen it asks ubotu10:05
highvoltageedubuntugirl: seen ogra10:05
edubuntugirlogra was last seen on #edubuntu 2 days, 18 hours, 49 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: accroding to firefox --help there is ... [Fri Feb  2 16:16:30 2007] 10:05
cbx33cool highvoltage10:05
cbx33thanks dude10:05
willvdlnobody knows edubuntugirl like highvoltage ..10:06
highvoltageedubuntugirl for the revolution!10:06
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: sorry...10:06
highvoltagepgg10:06
cbx33anyone else tested herd3?10:12
RichEdedubuntugirl: seen ogra_10:13
edubuntugirlogra_ was last seen on #edubuntu 5 days, 20 hours, 42 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: ?? [Tue Jan 30 14:31:39 2007] 10:13
smileedubuntu...girl?10:14
RichEdhey highvoltage10:14
RichEdsmile ... yep ... we've got a chic bot ... but we're not sexist ... just geeks ;)10:14
highvoltagehey RichEd10:15
highvoltageRichEd: ogra and ogra_ are two different nicks, that's why they have different seen times10:15
RichEdwhich is why i tested the second option to chek if oliver had been around under his alter ego10:15
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RichEdso thanks ... but was aware of that :)10:16
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highvoltageedubuntu-girl is a symbol of independence and uprising against old people who want to enforce their outdated ways onto the world! :)10:16
highvoltage(well, since the edubuntugirl posts on the mailing lists, anyway)10:16
willvdlthat old-people-ist!10:28
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cbx33highvoltage, can irssi show several windows at once?11:04
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ogra_hey cbx3311:27
edubuntugirlogra_: by the way, RichEd told me to tell you 'cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment' 1 hours, 26 minutes and 48 seconds ago (on Mon Feb  5 11:00:49 2007)11:27
cbx33hi ogra_11:31
cbx33pm please11:31
ogra_cbx33, do you read me ?11:37
ogra_oh ...11:37
ogra_hmm11:37
cbx33no11:37
cbx33not registered?11:37
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cbx33I'm writing a message11:37
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smileHow much Disk Space does Edubuntu require???12:11
RichEdsmile: 2GB for a workable install12:12
smileok, thanks12:14
smileif i install Edubuntu, will i still be able to boot into XP12:15
jsgotangcoRichEd: hey dude12:15
SiCk--smile, it depends how you partition your drive i'd say12:16
RichEdsmile: yes ... you can choose dual boot option on install ... it will leave your XP untouched ... and will help you make a new partition for edubuntu12:16
RichEdjsgotangco: 'lo there12:16
smilexp is on C Drive. i'll install Edubuntu on a section of D Drive patition12:17
smileoh oki12:17
smilewill it do dual boot by default12:17
RichEdsmile ... not sure if it will boot that way ... rather give it 2GC on C for booting ... and then you can create a shared data section for both operating systems ... FAT3212:17
RichEd(on D: I mean)12:17
RichEdre dual bot, it gives you a GRUB menu when you power up, and then you choose which boot you want.12:18
smileboth are NTFS12:18
smileso i should install on C:?12:18
smileis it possible to d12:18
RichEdit's a text menu which loads as soon as the PC firmware loads12:18
RichEdI'm not sure if it will boot from D: anyone else can you confirm this ?12:18
smileis it possible to share disk space between Linux and Windows?!12:18
RichEdsmile: note that if you set up a shared data partition as FAT32, both Linux and Windows can read and write to it.12:19
RichEdIf you leave it as NTFS, linux will *read* it by default, but it will not mount the drive as writeable.12:19
RichEdlet me get you a wiki page on dual boot install .... give me a min12:19
smiledo i have to reformat my entire drive into FAT before installing Edubuntu?12:20
jsgotangcono cookie12:20
RichEdnope: see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot12:21
RichEdwhere it says ubuntu, just read edubuntu ... same principles apply12:21
RichEdback in a few mins12:21
RichEdping ogra, willvdl, rodarvus01:01
RichEdwe're all quite busy today ... so please just update the UES page and Education page if you have changes / updates01:02
ograoh, ok01:02
edubuntugirlogra: by the way, pygi told me to tell you 'poke me once he's around pls, thanks' 15 hours, 9 minutes and 48 seconds ago (on Sun Feb  4 22:53:02 2007)01:02
edubuntugirlogra: by the way, RichEd told me to tell you 'cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment' 3 hours, 2 minutes and 8 seconds ago (on Mon Feb  5 11:00:42 2007)01:02
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willvdlRichEd, pong01:56
willvdlah, ok01:57
RichEd:)02:02
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cbx33ogra, re earlier discussions Edubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" - Alpha i386 (20070201.1)03:09
ogracbx33,03:16
ograhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-3/feisty-server-i386.list says herd3 has ltsp 0.13203:17
ogra ltsp (0.133) feisty; urgency=low03:17
ogra .03:17
ogra   * final switch for pulseaudio support03:17
ogra^^^ that was the change that added the pulse-esound-compat plugin03:17
ograthere was no such dependency on herd303:18
ograso i dont understand what you tested there to get that breakage03:18
cbx33hmm03:21
cbx33how odd03:21
ogradid you doenload updates during install ?03:21
cbx33do you hve the md5sum there for your iso?03:21
ogra*download03:21
cbx33hmmm03:21
cbx33don't think so but possibly03:21
cbx33so i will try a reinstall without the net connected03:21
cbx33sound like a plan?03:21
cbx33is esound-compat in main yeT?03:22
ograhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-3/MD5SUMS03:22
ograno, thats why i waited with the dep until herd3 was done03:22
cbx33right03:23
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cbx33well then i must have downloaded updates03:23
cbx33I'll do it again but disconnect the net03:23
cbx33seeing as as you saif there is no way it could have been included in herd 303:23
cbx33hmm....03:25
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cbx33it says I'm using ltsp-client 0.13203:26
cbx33ok but 0.133 is installed03:26
cbx33so yes that's why03:26
ograsudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ dpkg -s ltsp-client|grep Version03:27
ogra??03:27
cbx33the installed version is 0.13303:28
cbx33in the main system03:28
cbx33can i revert my change to get a working chroot?03:28
cbx33or shall I just apt-get remove and dpkg -i the other pacakges?03:29
ograyou could wipe your chroot and use universe in an --extra-mirror option03:31
ograsee man ltsp-build-client :)03:31
cbx33yeh..... man ltsp-build-client....which I wrote :p03:31
ograwhich is outdated03:32
cbx33i know03:32
ograi need to write a geneartor for it03:32
ograso it gets updated according to distro we build on and according to the used plugins03:32
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cbx33indeed03:33
cbx33i didn't realise it was so huge03:33
cbx33with the whole plugin system etc03:33
cbx33only looked at it yesterday03:33
cbx33sorry sat03:34
cbx33ok03:34
cbx33think I have a working deb now03:34
cbx33just gonna try installing and running03:34
cbx33is the Xb-Python-Version field ok in my packge?03:35
cbx33dpkg keeps complaining about it saying it's unknown03:35
ograyou mean because pbuilder moans ?03:35
ograyes, its fine03:35
cbx33yeh03:35
cbx33ok03:35
ograthe warning during build as well03:35
cbx33pbuilder and debuild03:35
cbx33hehe03:35
cbx33yup03:35
ograyep03:35
cbx33ok installing the chroot03:35
ograsomeone should fix that ... but seems nobody is intrested03:35
cbx33heh03:36
cbx33it should only be a small fix surely03:36
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cbx33it's bad in a way cos it makes the newer packagers think they are doing something wrong03:36
ograright03:36
ogranot only the new ones :)03:36
cbx33hah03:36
cbx33:p03:36
cbx33ouch03:37
cbx33ltsp-build-client just failed....03:37
ograok, three MIRs to go ...03:37
cbx33nice one03:37
ograoh, how ?03:37
cbx33ahhh03:37
cbx33bzip03:37
cbx33compressed file ended prematurely03:37
ograbzip ?03:37
ograweird03:37
cbx33bzip203:37
cbx33yeh03:37
cbx33I'll re run it03:38
cbx33it was whilst getting pacakges from universe03:38
cbx33we don;t need another MIR for tc m do we?03:38
bddebianHeya03:38
ogranope03:39
ograjust a short notification for the archive admins and new seeding03:39
cbx33yup03:39
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elmo40ubotu: date03:41
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about date - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi03:41
elmo40what is this bot for?03:41
cbx33ogra, this ltsp build isn't having much luck i wonder if a reinstall would be quicker :p03:44
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juliuxelmo40, it is a wiki bot03:51
juliux@ssh03:51
juliuxubotu, ssh03:51
ubotuSSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/03:51
elmo40ahh, i see03:51
elmo40so who can tell me what the date is? ;)03:52
elmo40ubotu: avi03:52
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats03:52
juliuxelmo40, i have no idea ask in #ubuntu-ops03:52
ogra_its 14:52 UTC03:52
elmo40in the #elive room, they have apt. apt will tell you all :-P03:52
ogra_:)03:52
elmo40how many bots in here?03:53
elmo40wasnt ubuntugirl a bot?03:53
ogra_three at least03:53
ogra_four even03:53
cbx33yeh, ogra_ is a bot :p03:53
ogra_:P03:53
cbx33hehe03:54
cbx33grrr03:54
cbx33USB stopped working my VM for some reasson03:54
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ograwasnt me03:54
cbx33bet it was :p03:54
cbx33hehe03:54
cbx33right ftp it is then03:55
cbx33ogra, be prepared for an email in a mo03:57
juliuxogra, did you think you find time to come one day to essen?03:59
ograwhen ?03:59
ograi'm in italy the last feb weekend04:00
juliuxogra, 17 and 18 february04:00
ograno04:00
ogra16th is my bday ... i wont work on that weekend04:00
juliuxahhhh04:00
juliuxso we should come to you and sing a song for you;)04:00
ograhehe, yes04:00
ograbut essen->kassel is quite some distance :)04:01
juliuxif you drive dresden->essen essen->kassel is nothing04:01
ograheh, right04:02
ograget a car man ....04:02
cbx33i read that breifley and translated....ogra do you think one day you'll find the time to eat04:02
ograyou are in germany and supposed to help with the traffic jams04:02
ogracbx33, heh04:02
juliuxogra, lol04:02
ogragood suggestion btw04:02
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cbx33is this right ogra04:03
cbx33removing student-c-p wans to remove edubuntu-desktop too04:03
ograyep04:03
ograseedchange04:04
cbx33ahh04:04
ograi cant change it before the package is in the archive04:04
ograjust dont forget to reinstall edubuntu-desktop later04:04
cbx33ok04:05
cbx33but won;t it try to install student-control-panel?04:05
cbx33ogra, hmm....it's complaining about importing the module now04:08
cbx33oh04:08
cbx33nevermind04:08
nixternaloi!04:13
cbx33something has changed in dbus ogra :p04:14
ograogra@edubuntu:~/packages$ sudo ltsp-build-client --extra-mirror http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu universe --chroot test04:23
ogra....04:23
ogra/opt/ltsp/blepp/boot/./vmlinuz -> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/blepp/./vmlinuz04:23
ograinfo: LTSP client installation completed successfully04:23
ograworks fine with 0.13304:24
ograat least for me04:24
cbx33:p04:24
cbx33just getting help on my dbus issue04:24
elmo40are things changing? should i hold on till edubuntu is upgraded to grab the newest version?04:24
cbx33elmo40, you'll have to wait till april04:25
elmo40ouch :/04:25
elmo40why so far? that when ubuntu is changing?04:26
elmo406.10 is latest?04:27
cbx33yes04:27
elmo40hey, what is 7.04? Feisty Fawn?04:29
cbx33that's the release we;'re working on right no04:29
cbx33w04:29
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elmo40ahh, ok. And that will be due in April, right?04:30
elmo40now, why is it called DVD version, when it is under 700mb?04:30
cbx33ogra, at the moment, the plugins were statically linked to the python2.4 folder04:33
cbx33so /usr/lib/python2.4/site-pacakges/studentdcontropanel/plugins04:34
cbx33but now of course we use python 2.5 so that doesn't work04:34
cbx33shouldI statically change the link.....or where else should I point it04:34
cbx33it reads the plugins by doing an ls of the folder the plugins are in04:35
cbx33what should I do ogra ?04:35
willvdlcan anyone suggest a decent wireless AP that can do ethernet bridging?04:35
ogracbx33, ??04:37
juliuxwillvdl, most of the linksys aps04:37
ograyou shouldnt have to do *anything* with that path04:38
willvdljuliux, just looking at them now04:38
ograjust depend on the right python version04:38
juliuxwillvdl, linksys is ciscohardware04:38
cbx33ogra, so how can i traverse the path where the plugins folder is located04:38
cbx33to find which plugins are there04:38
willvdljuliux, what about netgear?04:38
juliuxwillvdl, bah netgear04:38
juliuxwillvdl, the webinterface is bullshit04:38
ogracbx33, you dont04:39
ograyou only import the module04:39
ogradont use the path anywhere04:39
cbx33yeh yeh i know that04:39
willvdljuliux, don't need one, only need to bridge an ethernet network to an accesspoint providing internet04:39
juliuxwillvdl, you can flash most of the linksys aps04:39
cbx33but....how does it know what modules are available in that dir?04:39
ograpycentral will care for all links for the right py versions04:39
ograit has a builtin searchpath04:39
cbx33no no04:40
cbx33how does tcm04:40
ograit==python04:40
juliuxwillvdl, hm ok04:40
cbx33it=tcm04:40
cbx33tcm does an "ls" on the plugins dir04:40
ograhave you looked at python-ltsp ?04:40
cbx33to find the names of the modules to import04:40
ograEEK04:40
cbx33i dissapoint you more and more each day right :p04:40
ogralook at python-ltsp's __init__.py04:40
cbx33ok04:40
ograjust use something like that04:41
willvdljuliux, just looking for a nice bridge or AP in bridge mode that can handle 20 or so clients04:41
ogralet the python module handler do the rest for you04:41
ogranecver use hardcoded paths *anywhere*04:41
cbx33ogra, as i need to find out the names of the plugins to tie them to the context menu04:41
juliuxwillvdl, i work a littlebit more on the edubuntu flyer desing see http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_back.png http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_front.png04:41
ograthen they should go into /usr/share/tcm ... not into the module dir04:42
juliuxwillvdl, then take the bridge you get by your local computer reseller04:42
cbx33ok04:42
cbx33I'll move it04:42
cbx33w00t i have it running04:42
cbx33now to tart it up for you04:42
elmo40ahh, nevermind... fiesty DVD is only 680Mb(unfinished?) while edgy DVD is 3.8Gb. How many wm's does the DVD come with?04:43
willvdljuliux, the reseller is about 5000km away in west africa04:43
willvdl:)04:43
juliuxwillvdl, lol04:43
juliuxelmo40, on the dvd is everything from main, so gnome,kde and xfce i think04:44
elmo40i see04:44
elmo40just wondering why it was 3.7Gb ;) It is also an install disc?04:44
juliuxnot on the cd04:45
elmo40hrmm, no seeders for the torrent :(04:45
elmo40what? the dvd is not installable?04:45
elmo40only live?04:45
juliuxthe dvd is booth04:45
juliuxlive and install04:45
elmo40ok04:45
elmo40nice script? gui or text?04:45
juliuxyou have the grafical install from the livecd and the debian installer04:46
elmo40ok04:46
elmo40hrmm, i get an error when trying to dl via torrent. "Failure: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." How do i fix that?04:47
juliuxi think the feisty isos are not yet on the bittorrent tracker04:48
elmo40this is the edgyDVD04:48
elmo40http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/  from this site04:48
juliuxthat is feisty not edgy04:48
juliuxoh no it is booth04:49
elmo40very odd... i still have an error, but it is downloading :\04:50
juliuxis it fast enough?04:51
elmo40that edgyDVD, i take it it is not edubuntu?04:51
elmo407kb/s04:51
juliuxthere are edubuntu and ubuntu dvds04:52
elmo40so that page, i guess it is under edubuntu, so it is the edubuntuDVD04:52
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willvdljuliux, the linksys APs have a management web interface right? Any idea why they come with a windows install cd-rom?04:57
juliuxwillvdl, no idea04:57
willvdlodd. they should presumably jsut point you to an IP04:57
willvdlunless, the cd does that all automatically...04:58
juliuxi realy have no idea, all my wlan ethernet bridges are wrap boards04:59
willvdlwrap boards?04:59
juliuxyes04:59
willvdlwhat's that?04:59
juliuxit is a embedded computer04:59
willvdlah. gotcha04:59
juliuxwith only 2-3 ethernet ports, a seriell port, a mini-pci slot and a flashcard as harddisk05:00
willvdlseems most APs can do some kind of bridging mode. this is good news05:00
juliuxand i installed debian on the flashcard05:00
willvdlright05:00
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juliuxyou can also flash the linksys aps with a sepcial linux;)05:02
willvdlI'd rather not :) not yet05:02
willvdlnot naw rather05:02
willvdlor now even05:02
juliuxit is nice if you can manage your accesspoint via ssh05:02
willvdltrue. will stick to the default. It's not for me05:05
cbx33ogra, TCM builds and runs05:06
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cbx33ogra, bing bong you have TCM mail :p05:44
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cbx33ping ogra06:01
cbx33any css styling gurus here?06:01
cbx33esp with positioning06:01
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cbx33ping highvoltage06:38
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cbx33highvoltage, nevermind06:39
highvoltageok :-/06:39
highvoltageman it's hot06:40
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ircusrhi all06:40
highvoltagehi ircusr06:40
ircusrwassup06:40
lordkeidenhi all. where do i go to find out which linux educational apps are mature enough for a live school with fairly computer iliterate staff?06:40
cbx33highvoltage, on your blog06:40
highvoltagejust very hot here06:40
cbx33how did you get the date like that?06:40
highvoltageI think I'll go swim in a few minutes06:41
cbx33i think it's really cool06:41
ircusrI'm planning to offer paid tech support for edubuntu for education institutions06:41
ircusris that ok?06:41
highvoltageircusr: yep06:41
ircusrgreat!06:41
highvoltageircusr: you might consider becoming an ubuntu affiliate06:41
ircusrhow do i do that?06:41
highvoltageircusr: http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/become/affiliate06:41
lordkeidenwhat DE does edubuntu use?06:41
ircusrgnome06:41
ircusrright'06:42
highvoltageircusr: when you start making some money, you can also become an ubuntu partner06:42
ircusr?06:42
ircusrkool :)06:42
highvoltageyes, Edubuntu uses GNOME by default06:42
highvoltageyou can install others if you want too as well06:42
highvoltagecbx33: sorry, I'm not ignoring you :)06:42
lordkeidenand i assume nothing breaks if you install kde also?06:42
cbx33highvoltage, np06:42
highvoltagecbx33: that came with the wordpress theme I'm using, I also think it's quite cool06:42
cbx33yeh06:43
highvoltagelordkeiden: nope, installing KDE is fine06:43
cbx33i wanted to put it on mine06:43
ircusri think edubuntu is a great contribution to education06:43
cbx33hehe06:43
cbx33:p06:43
lordkeidenircusr: i'm doing that now for one christian school.06:43
highvoltagecbx33: you could probably just steal it out of the css ;)06:43
ircusrdoin what06:43
ircusri mean public schools, here in Peru06:43
cbx33prboably06:43
cbx33:p06:43
highvoltageedubuntugirl: google wikipedia peru06:44
lordkeidenpaid support , not for edubuntu, but for the transition to it...06:44
edubuntugirlhighvoltage: ERROR: No matches found06:44
lordkeidenircusr: cool.06:44
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ircusrwhat about edubuntu for colleges?06:45
ircusrare they planning to support a distro for colleges too?06:45
lordkeideni have ubuntu installed. is ther any benefit to installing edubuntu from the repos?06:46
ircusri dunno06:47
ircusrmaybe from the educational apps06:47
lordkeidenafaik, i have every educational app know to linux installed now, at least those from all the ubuntu repos.06:47
ircusrah06:48
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lordkeidenanyone know about "Readmaster" by ACE Ministries?06:49
lordkeidenis there a linux app like it?06:49
ircusrnope06:50
ircusrdid you contact the school, or did they respond to an add, lordkeiden?06:50
highvoltagelordkeiden: edubuntu makes it easy to install ubuntu with the educational applications in the repositories, but you can get to an edubuntu setup manually in ubuntu by just installing the packages that are used in edubuntu06:50
highvoltage(they share the same repositories)06:50
lordkeideni should wait for an answer longer =) nope to the first or second ??06:50
ircusrnope to both06:51
lordkeidenthe school contacted me. a friend is a teacher there, so when they needed a tech contact, she offered me up...06:51
ircusrah06:52
ircusrconnections06:52
ircusrheh?06:52
lordkeidenhighvoltage: afaik, i have done that. so i have edubuntu on steroids then?06:52
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lordkeidenircusr: imho, connections out perform marketing 100-to106:53
ircusryea06:53
ircusrthey do06:53
ircusrnobody looks up an add06:53
ircusrad06:53
lordkeidenthis 1 client has netted me 17 otheres...06:54
ircusrreally06:54
ircusrwow06:54
cbx33lordkeiden, i agree with you there06:54
cbx33ping ogra06:55
ircusri agree too06:55
lordkeidenchurches are pretty loyal to their own....they know i have integrity and skillz, so they offer me up at every chance.06:55
ircusrwhat about the public system?06:55
lordkeidenand no adgenda but the education of the kids.06:56
ircusrah06:56
lordkeidenin public, there is much more red tape...and many adgendas it seems.06:56
ircusryea06:56
ircusrand its the sector that needs the most06:57
lordkeidenand in my experience, the kids education isn;t always prominent in the mix...06:57
lordkeidenircusr: true...06:57
ircusrdamn06:57
lordkeidenircusr: ?06:57
ircusri wonder if there's a way to break with edubuntu into the public system without all the redtape06:58
lordkeidenit will take a solid contact to help you find the champion in the school board...06:58
lordkeideni would start with a single school...like a pilot school. when there is success there, you have an entire school as your champion to the board...06:59
lordkeidenu will still have the red tape, but with a school as a champion, you may find that the board *wants* you to get thru it so you can get to work savin them money and improving their test scores with technology.07:03
lordkeidenare keduca and gcompris good tools? where should i look for truely useful apps? i am a tech guy, so my job in this is to evaluate the stability and features as best as i can, then turn over the apps i like to the educators and let them tell me what is and isn't good, but i don't wanna hand them a bunch of stuff thats still 2 years from being ready fot the classroom.07:11
lordkeideni gotta reboot, but please answer. I'll be back soon to see the activity. thanks07:12
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lordkeidenis there a feisty for edubuntu?07:35
Burgworkyes07:39
lordkeidenso the packages I get from the feisty repos are not renamed edgy ones?07:40
stgraberthe repos are the same for all edubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu07:41
stgraberso if you have set feisty in your sources, you get the feisty packages07:41
lordkeidenwell that's kewl. efficient07:43
ircusri want to spread edubuntu over the public system here in peru07:59
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cbx33hey LaserJock08:18
LaserJockhi Pete08:18
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juliuxi have a question, is there commercial support for edubuntu available?08:18
LaserJockI think  so08:19
LaserJockbut I'm not positive about that08:19
cbx33ping ogra08:23
highvoltageLaserJock: hehe, have you seen this before? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lSmI_zsTgA&mode=related&search=08:24
juliuxLaserJock, ok I will ask RichEd08:26
LaserJockhighvoltage: lol08:28
highvoltagejuliux: as far as I understand CAnonical does provide commercial support for edubuntu08:28
juliuxhighvoltage, thxs08:29
cbx33highvoltage, http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/08:35
cbx33consider it stolen :p08:35
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Burgworkhey LaserJock, cbx3308:39
cbx33hi Burgwork08:39
cbx33highvoltage, http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/apple-uk-im-a-mac-im-a-pc-smashing-isnt-it/08:40
LaserJockhi Burgwork08:40
cbx33LaserJock, did you still need some pygtk stuff done?08:40
LaserJockcbx33: considering that FF is the 8th I'm considering deferring the menu spec to Feisty+108:41
cbx33ok08:41
LaserJockI'd rather put time into some MIRs to get some more apps on the 2nd CD08:41
LaserJockogra: do you have an opinion on ^^ ?08:42
cbx33well i was gonna say I'm probably gonna be pretty busy the next few days, with book and tcm08:42
LaserJockmhm08:43
LaserJockI'm swamped too08:43
willvdlLaserJock, where is your MIR list again?08:52
LaserJockwillvdl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates08:52
LaserJockalthough I suspect I won't be able to get many of them this time08:53
LaserJockthe dependencies are a bugger08:53
willvdlsweet. been thinking about it recently08:53
BurgworkLaserJock: childsplay is not really that great and duplicates gcompris08:54
willvdlLaserJock, familiar with http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/?08:54
LaserJockwillvdl: a bit actually08:56
LaserJockwillvdl: I think scipy + matplotlib is an excellent scientific computing tool08:56
willvdlbeen a few years since I played with MAtlab etc.08:56
LaserJockI use scipy in my research08:56
willvdlmy engineer mates swear by it08:57
LaserJockand if I did much plotting I'd use matplotlib08:57
LaserJockyes08:57
LaserJockthey are teaching matlab as an intro to programming in a lot of engineering departments08:57
LaserJockmy younger brother is working on an engineering degree, CAD and Matlab are about the "killer apps"08:58
willvdlMAtlab as intro to programming? ow08:59
LaserJockyeah, there is a fair amount of effort in the Python community to get Python there first :-)09:00
willvdlI jsut remember the matrix conventions being back to front from C :)09:00
willvdlbut never really played with Octave09:00
highvoltagecbx33: :)09:01
willvdlLaserJock, we should think about library management systems some time in the future too: http://www.koha.org/  http://www.emilda.org/09:04
LaserJockcbx33: those are really funny. Somehow I always find British TV to be much funnier09:04
cbx33hheheh09:05
LaserJockwillvdl: yeah, we need to work on staging these things. Getting packages into Universe, then once they seem stable, secure, and useful promote them to Main09:07
bdoinhi, GCompris users complained that version 7.2 on dapper crashed in the algebra activity. they tested 7.4 in the next release and it doesn't crash. is there a way to fix the dapper package?09:08
willvdlstrangely library management is not something I've seen pop up on our lists before09:08
willvdlbut my mother is a librarian :)09:08
LaserJockbdoin: you can request a backport for the dapper-backports repository09:08
bdoingreat, how to request that ?09:09
LaserJockbdoin: or if the bug has a specific fix, we can backport that fix to 7.209:09
LaserJockbdoin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportRequestProcess09:10
bdoini did not checked yet precisely but it's probably a one liner. it would be better anyway to have our 7.4 in dapper because the 7.2 is not maintained anymore.09:11
LaserJockwell, the only thing is that the dapper-backports repository isn't as widely used09:12
bdoinok so a fix is better09:13
LaserJockit is, although it's a bit tougher to get it in09:13
LaserJockyou could always try both09:14
LaserJockget 7.4 backported09:14
highvoltageheh @ Paul Flint's bug reply09:14
LaserJockand then try to get 7.2 fixed for people who don't use dapper-backports09:14
LaserJockhighvoltage: hehe, yeah09:16
juliuxcbx33, take a look at http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_back.png and http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_front.png09:19
cbx33juliux, is this for feisty?09:22
cbx33nice09:23
cbx33typo on first word on  front09:23
cbx33edbuntu09:23
juliuxcbx33, it is still under construction09:23
cbx33ah ok09:23
cbx33:p09:23
willvdlcbx33, more a layout thing at the mo09:23
cbx33yeh it looks awesome09:23
juliuxcbx33, i copied the text from your BETT flyer09:23
cbx33better tha nthe one i did09:23
cbx33~Yikes09:23
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willvdlcbx33, i copied the text from your BETT flyer:   lol09:24
cbx33phew thankfuylly not that paragraph09:24
juliuxi only changed the positions and the format09:25
willvdlcbx33 :) Don't worry, we checked your flyer as well.09:26
cbx33hehe09:26
cbx33good09:26
lordkeidenanyone ever use "Readmaster" from ACE Ministries? anything like it in linux?09:26
cbx33lordkeiden, what's it do?09:26
juliuxwillvdl, what do you think?09:27
willvdlI like it. I think we need it09:27
lordkeidenit is a reading program (duh) It dispalys a story for the student to read, erasing the story as they read, forcing then to read at a increasing rate. as they improve their speed, the pace is increased. there is a comprehencion test after each story to gauge their speed vs comprehention.09:29
juliuxwillvdl, that is a good answer09:30
willvdlI practice my good answers :)09:31
juliuxi think about some more color on the back09:32
LaserJocklordkeiden: I don't know of any, but I don't know every app in Linux either :-)09:33
willvdlLaserJock, but we were counting on you :P09:36
LaserJockyikes09:36
willvdldon't let us down09:36
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lordkeidentoo late...i'm crushed...not i gotta go back to windows...all uz of LaserJock...09:46
lordkeiden(i knew I shouldn't have used the winxp cd for kindleing)09:47
LaserJockheh09:48
LaserJockwell, you can sometimes run Windows apps in Linux using a program called Wine09:48
lordkeidenlol...yeah, i know. I can run the app in linux, with wine. the real problem is that the vendor stops renewing licenses for it in june, and it is their "holy grail" app...09:50
LaserJockhmm, have you googled around?09:51
LaserJockI've seen mentions of reading apps, but I don't know their feature sets to know if they'll do what you describe09:51
jbrefortLaserJock, any patch for gchemutils?09:54
LaserJockjbrefort: how much time do we have?09:55
LaserJockunfortunately my time is really getting eaten up in RL09:55
jbrefort10 days if I'm optimistic09:55
LaserJockI was made Head Teaching Assistant this semester09:56
LaserJockand I wasn't planning on any teaching duties whatsoever09:56
jbrefortbut I found several issues today, so it might be a bit more09:56
LaserJockare you wanting mostly the docs?09:56
jbrefortand the electronegativity color scheme, may be09:56
LaserJockk, I'll see what I can do09:57
LaserJocksorry about not getting these earlier09:57
jbrefortafter next release, only bugs fixes will be accepted until 0.8.0 is out09:57
jbrefortnp, I'm late too, too much work09:57
jbrefortcurrently testing a potential crasher...09:58
juliuxhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWiring are this pictures still up to date?09:59
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cbx33ping ogra10:36
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cbx33edubuntugirl, tell ogra I'm off for the night....please mail me...if you get the book chapter looked at...Ican then look at it tomrorow morning on the way to work11:09
edubuntugirlRighto, cbx33!11:09
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