[02:34] <neoplasticity> hello
[03:16] <neoplasticity> anyone home?
[03:20] <elmo40> nope
[08:06] <RichEd> hey elmo40 ...
[08:50] <elmo40> RichEd: hi
[09:02] <nixternal> someones got mail!  I have just sent the link to the new edubuntu-docs package for Feisty that I created. enjoy!
[09:53] <cbx33> mornin willvdl
[09:53] <RichEd> g'morning cbx33 & willvdl again
[09:53] <cbx33> hey RichEd
[09:53] <cbx33> ogra_ been about yet?
[09:54] <RichEd> !seen ogra
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen ogra - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:54] <willvdl> hey all
[09:54] <RichEd> !seen ogra_
[09:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen ogra_ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:55] <cbx33> howz it going willvdl
[09:56] <RichEd> wasup with the bot and !seen ... have i got my syntax wrong ?
[09:56] <cbx33> no no that's right
[09:56] <cbx33> !seen RichEd
[09:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen riched - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:57] <RichEd> so is ubotu battling to get out of bed today ? was there a bot drinking convention this weekend causing short term memory loss ?
[09:57] <cbx33> what's edubuntugirl been up to
[09:57] <cbx33> she's a naughty girl isn't she
[09:57] <RichEd> but cbx33 to answer your question: nope not from my side ... last chatted to ogra in friday
[09:57] <cbx33> ok
[09:57] <RichEd> he'll be busy busy with tests and feature freeze
[09:58] <cbx33> RichEd, I know that, that's why I need to speak to him
[09:59] <RichEd> edubuntgirl: tell ogra and ogra_ that cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment
[10:00] <RichEd> edubuntugirl: tell ogra that cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment
[10:00] <edubuntugirl> Righto, RichEd!
[10:00] <RichEd> edubuntugirl: tell ogra_ that cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment
[10:00] <edubuntugirl> Righto, RichEd!
[10:00] <RichEd> thanks
[10:00] <cbx33> hah
[10:00] <cbx33> he's gonna get plastered with message
[10:00] <cbx33> s
[10:00] <cbx33> hehehe
[10:05] <highvoltage> cbx33: if you do a !seen it asks ubotu
[10:05] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: seen ogra
[10:05] <edubuntugirl> ogra was last seen on #edubuntu 2 days, 18 hours, 49 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: accroding to firefox --help there is ... [Fri Feb  2 16:16:30 2007] 
[10:05] <cbx33> cool highvoltage
[10:05] <cbx33> thanks dude
[10:06] <willvdl> nobody knows edubuntugirl like highvoltage ..
[10:06] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl for the revolution!
[10:06] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: sorry...
[10:06] <highvoltage> pgg
[10:12] <cbx33> anyone else tested herd3?
[10:13] <RichEd> edubuntugirl: seen ogra_
[10:13] <edubuntugirl> ogra_ was last seen on #edubuntu 5 days, 20 hours, 42 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: ?? [Tue Jan 30 14:31:39 2007] 
[10:14] <smile> edubuntu...girl?
[10:14] <RichEd> hey highvoltage
[10:14] <RichEd> smile ... yep ... we've got a chic bot ... but we're not sexist ... just geeks ;)
[10:15] <highvoltage> hey RichEd
[10:15] <highvoltage> RichEd: ogra and ogra_ are two different nicks, that's why they have different seen times
[10:15] <RichEd> which is why i tested the second option to chek if oliver had been around under his alter ego
[10:16] <RichEd> so thanks ... but was aware of that :)
[10:16] <highvoltage> edubuntu-girl is a symbol of independence and uprising against old people who want to enforce their outdated ways onto the world! :)
[10:16] <highvoltage> (well, since the edubuntugirl posts on the mailing lists, anyway)
[10:28] <willvdl> that old-people-ist!
[11:04] <cbx33> highvoltage, can irssi show several windows at once?
[11:27] <ogra_> hey cbx33
[11:27] <edubuntugirl> ogra_: by the way, RichEd told me to tell you 'cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment' 1 hours, 26 minutes and 48 seconds ago (on Mon Feb  5 11:00:49 2007)
[11:31] <cbx33> hi ogra_
[11:31] <cbx33> pm please
[11:37] <ogra_> cbx33, do you read me ?
[11:37] <ogra_> oh ...
[11:37] <ogra_> hmm
[11:37] <cbx33> no
[11:37] <cbx33> not registered?
[11:37] <cbx33> I'm writing a message
[12:11] <smile> How much Disk Space does Edubuntu require???
[12:12] <RichEd> smile: 2GB for a workable install
[12:14] <smile> ok, thanks
[12:15] <smile> if i install Edubuntu, will i still be able to boot into XP
[12:15] <jsgotangco> RichEd: hey dude
[12:16] <SiCk--> smile, it depends how you partition your drive i'd say
[12:16] <RichEd> smile: yes ... you can choose dual boot option on install ... it will leave your XP untouched ... and will help you make a new partition for edubuntu
[12:16] <RichEd> jsgotangco: 'lo there
[12:17] <smile> xp is on C Drive. i'll install Edubuntu on a section of D Drive patition
[12:17] <smile> oh oki
[12:17] <smile> will it do dual boot by default
[12:17] <RichEd> smile ... not sure if it will boot that way ... rather give it 2GC on C for booting ... and then you can create a shared data section for both operating systems ... FAT32
[12:17] <RichEd> (on D: I mean)
[12:18] <RichEd> re dual bot, it gives you a GRUB menu when you power up, and then you choose which boot you want.
[12:18] <smile> both are NTFS
[12:18] <smile> so i should install on C:?
[12:18] <smile> is it possible to d
[12:18] <RichEd> it's a text menu which loads as soon as the PC firmware loads
[12:18] <RichEd> I'm not sure if it will boot from D: anyone else can you confirm this ?
[12:18] <smile> is it possible to share disk space between Linux and Windows?!
[12:19] <RichEd> smile: note that if you set up a shared data partition as FAT32, both Linux and Windows can read and write to it.
[12:19] <RichEd> If you leave it as NTFS, linux will *read* it by default, but it will not mount the drive as writeable.
[12:19] <RichEd> let me get you a wiki page on dual boot install .... give me a min
[12:20] <smile> do i have to reformat my entire drive into FAT before installing Edubuntu?
[12:20] <jsgotangco> no cookie
[12:21] <RichEd> nope: see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot
[12:21] <RichEd> where it says ubuntu, just read edubuntu ... same principles apply
[12:21] <RichEd> back in a few mins
[01:01] <RichEd> ping ogra, willvdl, rodarvus
[01:02] <RichEd> we're all quite busy today ... so please just update the UES page and Education page if you have changes / updates
[01:02] <ogra> oh, ok
[01:02] <edubuntugirl> ogra: by the way, pygi told me to tell you 'poke me once he's around pls, thanks' 15 hours, 9 minutes and 48 seconds ago (on Sun Feb  4 22:53:02 2007)
[01:02] <edubuntugirl> ogra: by the way, RichEd told me to tell you 'cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment' 3 hours, 2 minutes and 8 seconds ago (on Mon Feb  5 11:00:42 2007)
[01:56] <willvdl> RichEd, pong
[01:57] <willvdl> ah, ok
[02:02] <RichEd> :)
[03:09] <cbx33> ogra, re earlier discussions Edubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" - Alpha i386 (20070201.1)
[03:16] <ogra> cbx33,
[03:17] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-3/feisty-server-i386.list says herd3 has ltsp 0.132
[03:17] <ogra>  ltsp (0.133) feisty; urgency=low
[03:17] <ogra>  .
[03:17] <ogra>    * final switch for pulseaudio support
[03:17] <ogra> ^^^ that was the change that added the pulse-esound-compat plugin
[03:18] <ogra> there was no such dependency on herd3
[03:18] <ogra> so i dont understand what you tested there to get that breakage
[03:21] <cbx33> hmm
[03:21] <cbx33> how odd
[03:21] <ogra> did you doenload updates during install ?
[03:21] <cbx33> do you hve the md5sum there for your iso?
[03:21] <ogra> *download
[03:21] <cbx33> hmmm
[03:21] <cbx33> don't think so but possibly
[03:21] <cbx33> so i will try a reinstall without the net connected
[03:21] <cbx33> sound like a plan?
[03:22] <cbx33> is esound-compat in main yeT?
[03:22] <ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-3/MD5SUMS
[03:22] <ogra> no, thats why i waited with the dep until herd3 was done
[03:23] <cbx33> right
[03:23] <cbx33> well then i must have downloaded updates
[03:23] <cbx33> I'll do it again but disconnect the net
[03:23] <cbx33> seeing as as you saif there is no way it could have been included in herd 3
[03:25] <cbx33> hmm....
[03:26] <cbx33> it says I'm using ltsp-client 0.132
[03:26] <cbx33> ok but 0.133 is installed
[03:26] <cbx33> so yes that's why
[03:27] <ogra> sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ dpkg -s ltsp-client|grep Version
[03:27] <ogra> ??
[03:28] <cbx33> the installed version is 0.133
[03:28] <cbx33> in the main system
[03:28] <cbx33> can i revert my change to get a working chroot?
[03:29] <cbx33> or shall I just apt-get remove and dpkg -i the other pacakges?
[03:31] <ogra> you could wipe your chroot and use universe in an --extra-mirror option
[03:31] <ogra> see man ltsp-build-client :)
[03:31] <cbx33> yeh..... man ltsp-build-client....which I wrote :p
[03:32] <ogra> which is outdated
[03:32] <cbx33> i know
[03:32] <ogra> i need to write a geneartor for it
[03:32] <ogra> so it gets updated according to distro we build on and according to the used plugins
[03:33] <cbx33> indeed
[03:33] <cbx33> i didn't realise it was so huge
[03:33] <cbx33> with the whole plugin system etc
[03:33] <cbx33> only looked at it yesterday
[03:34] <cbx33> sorry sat
[03:34] <cbx33> ok
[03:34] <cbx33> think I have a working deb now
[03:34] <cbx33> just gonna try installing and running
[03:35] <cbx33> is the Xb-Python-Version field ok in my packge?
[03:35] <cbx33> dpkg keeps complaining about it saying it's unknown
[03:35] <ogra> you mean because pbuilder moans ?
[03:35] <ogra> yes, its fine
[03:35] <cbx33> yeh
[03:35] <cbx33> ok
[03:35] <ogra> the warning during build as well
[03:35] <cbx33> pbuilder and debuild
[03:35] <cbx33> hehe
[03:35] <cbx33> yup
[03:35] <ogra> yep
[03:35] <cbx33> ok installing the chroot
[03:35] <ogra> someone should fix that ... but seems nobody is intrested
[03:36] <cbx33> heh
[03:36] <cbx33> it should only be a small fix surely
[03:36] <cbx33> it's bad in a way cos it makes the newer packagers think they are doing something wrong
[03:36] <ogra> right
[03:36] <ogra> not only the new ones :)
[03:36] <cbx33> hah
[03:36] <cbx33> :p
[03:37] <cbx33> ouch
[03:37] <cbx33> ltsp-build-client just failed....
[03:37] <ogra> ok, three MIRs to go ...
[03:37] <cbx33> nice one
[03:37] <ogra> oh, how ?
[03:37] <cbx33> ahhh
[03:37] <cbx33> bzip
[03:37] <cbx33> compressed file ended prematurely
[03:37] <ogra> bzip ?
[03:37] <ogra> weird
[03:37] <cbx33> bzip2
[03:37] <cbx33> yeh
[03:38] <cbx33> I'll re run it
[03:38] <cbx33> it was whilst getting pacakges from universe
[03:38] <cbx33> we don;t need another MIR for tc m do we?
[03:38] <bddebian> Heya
[03:39] <ogra> nope
[03:39] <ogra> just a short notification for the archive admins and new seeding
[03:39] <cbx33> yup
[03:41] <elmo40> ubotu: date
[03:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about date - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:41] <elmo40> what is this bot for?
[03:44] <cbx33> ogra, this ltsp build isn't having much luck i wonder if a reinstall would be quicker :p
[03:51] <juliux> elmo40, it is a wiki bot
[03:51] <juliux> @ssh
[03:51] <juliux> ubotu, ssh
[03:51] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[03:51] <elmo40> ahh, i see
[03:52] <elmo40> so who can tell me what the date is? ;)
[03:52] <elmo40> ubotu: avi
[03:52] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:52] <juliux> elmo40, i have no idea ask in #ubuntu-ops
[03:52] <ogra_> its 14:52 UTC
[03:52] <elmo40> in the #elive room, they have apt. apt will tell you all :-P
[03:52] <ogra_> :)
[03:53] <elmo40> how many bots in here?
[03:53] <elmo40> wasnt ubuntugirl a bot?
[03:53] <ogra_> three at least
[03:53] <ogra_> four even
[03:53] <cbx33> yeh, ogra_ is a bot :p
[03:53] <ogra_> :P
[03:54] <cbx33> hehe
[03:54] <cbx33> grrr
[03:54] <cbx33> USB stopped working my VM for some reasson
[03:54] <ogra> wasnt me
[03:54] <cbx33> bet it was :p
[03:54] <cbx33> hehe
[03:55] <cbx33> right ftp it is then
[03:57] <cbx33> ogra, be prepared for an email in a mo
[03:59] <juliux> ogra, did you think you find time to come one day to essen?
[03:59] <ogra> when ?
[04:00] <ogra> i'm in italy the last feb weekend
[04:00] <juliux> ogra, 17 and 18 february
[04:00] <ogra> no
[04:00] <ogra> 16th is my bday ... i wont work on that weekend
[04:00] <juliux> ahhhh
[04:00] <juliux> so we should come to you and sing a song for you;)
[04:00] <ogra> hehe, yes
[04:01] <ogra> but essen->kassel is quite some distance :)
[04:01] <juliux> if you drive dresden->essen essen->kassel is nothing
[04:02] <ogra> heh, right
[04:02] <ogra> get a car man ....
[04:02] <cbx33> i read that breifley and translated....ogra do you think one day you'll find the time to eat
[04:02] <ogra> you are in germany and supposed to help with the traffic jams
[04:02] <ogra> cbx33, heh
[04:02] <juliux> ogra, lol
[04:02] <ogra> good suggestion btw
[04:03] <cbx33> is this right ogra
[04:03] <cbx33> removing student-c-p wans to remove edubuntu-desktop too
[04:03] <ogra> yep
[04:04] <ogra> seedchange
[04:04] <cbx33> ahh
[04:04] <ogra> i cant change it before the package is in the archive
[04:04] <ogra> just dont forget to reinstall edubuntu-desktop later
[04:05] <cbx33> ok
[04:05] <cbx33> but won;t it try to install student-control-panel?
[04:08] <cbx33> ogra, hmm....it's complaining about importing the module now
[04:08] <cbx33> oh
[04:08] <cbx33> nevermind
[04:13] <nixternal> oi!
[04:14] <cbx33> something has changed in dbus ogra :p
[04:23] <ogra> ogra@edubuntu:~/packages$ sudo ltsp-build-client --extra-mirror http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu universe --chroot test
[04:23] <ogra> ....
[04:23] <ogra> /opt/ltsp/blepp/boot/./vmlinuz -> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/blepp/./vmlinuz
[04:23] <ogra> info: LTSP client installation completed successfully
[04:24] <ogra> works fine with 0.133
[04:24] <ogra> at least for me
[04:24] <cbx33> :p
[04:24] <cbx33> just getting help on my dbus issue
[04:24] <elmo40> are things changing? should i hold on till edubuntu is upgraded to grab the newest version?
[04:25] <cbx33> elmo40, you'll have to wait till april
[04:25] <elmo40> ouch :/
[04:26] <elmo40> why so far? that when ubuntu is changing?
[04:27] <elmo40> 6.10 is latest?
[04:27] <cbx33> yes
[04:29] <elmo40> hey, what is 7.04? Feisty Fawn?
[04:29] <cbx33> that's the release we;'re working on right no
[04:29] <cbx33> w
[04:30] <elmo40> ahh, ok. And that will be due in April, right?
[04:30] <elmo40> now, why is it called DVD version, when it is under 700mb?
[04:33] <cbx33> ogra, at the moment, the plugins were statically linked to the python2.4 folder
[04:34] <cbx33> so /usr/lib/python2.4/site-pacakges/studentdcontropanel/plugins
[04:34] <cbx33> but now of course we use python 2.5 so that doesn't work
[04:34] <cbx33> shouldI statically change the link.....or where else should I point it
[04:35] <cbx33> it reads the plugins by doing an ls of the folder the plugins are in
[04:35] <cbx33> what should I do ogra ?
[04:35] <willvdl> can anyone suggest a decent wireless AP that can do ethernet bridging?
[04:37] <ogra> cbx33, ??
[04:37] <juliux> willvdl, most of the linksys aps
[04:38] <ogra> you shouldnt have to do *anything* with that path
[04:38] <willvdl> juliux, just looking at them now
[04:38] <ogra> just depend on the right python version
[04:38] <juliux> willvdl, linksys is ciscohardware
[04:38] <cbx33> ogra, so how can i traverse the path where the plugins folder is located
[04:38] <cbx33> to find which plugins are there
[04:38] <willvdl> juliux, what about netgear?
[04:38] <juliux> willvdl, bah netgear
[04:38] <juliux> willvdl, the webinterface is bullshit
[04:39] <ogra> cbx33, you dont
[04:39] <ogra> you only import the module
[04:39] <ogra> dont use the path anywhere
[04:39] <cbx33> yeh yeh i know that
[04:39] <willvdl> juliux, don't need one, only need to bridge an ethernet network to an accesspoint providing internet
[04:39] <juliux> willvdl, you can flash most of the linksys aps
[04:39] <cbx33> but....how does it know what modules are available in that dir?
[04:39] <ogra> pycentral will care for all links for the right py versions
[04:39] <ogra> it has a builtin searchpath
[04:40] <cbx33> no no
[04:40] <cbx33> how does tcm
[04:40] <ogra> it==python
[04:40] <juliux> willvdl, hm ok
[04:40] <cbx33> it=tcm
[04:40] <cbx33> tcm does an "ls" on the plugins dir
[04:40] <ogra> have you looked at python-ltsp ?
[04:40] <cbx33> to find the names of the modules to import
[04:40] <ogra> EEK
[04:40] <cbx33> i dissapoint you more and more each day right :p
[04:40] <ogra> look at python-ltsp's __init__.py
[04:40] <cbx33> ok
[04:41] <ogra> just use something like that
[04:41] <willvdl> juliux, just looking for a nice bridge or AP in bridge mode that can handle 20 or so clients
[04:41] <ogra> let the python module handler do the rest for you
[04:41] <ogra> necver use hardcoded paths *anywhere*
[04:41] <cbx33> ogra, as i need to find out the names of the plugins to tie them to the context menu
[04:41] <juliux> willvdl, i work a littlebit more on the edubuntu flyer desing see http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_back.png http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_front.png
[04:42] <ogra> then they should go into /usr/share/tcm ... not into the module dir
[04:42] <juliux> willvdl, then take the bridge you get by your local computer reseller
[04:42] <cbx33> ok
[04:42] <cbx33> I'll move it
[04:42] <cbx33> w00t i have it running
[04:42] <cbx33> now to tart it up for you
[04:43] <elmo40> ahh, nevermind... fiesty DVD is only 680Mb(unfinished?) while edgy DVD is 3.8Gb. How many wm's does the DVD come with?
[04:43] <willvdl> juliux, the reseller is about 5000km away in west africa
[04:43] <willvdl> :)
[04:43] <juliux> willvdl, lol
[04:44] <juliux> elmo40, on the dvd is everything from main, so gnome,kde and xfce i think
[04:44] <elmo40> i see
[04:44] <elmo40> just wondering why it was 3.7Gb ;) It is also an install disc?
[04:45] <juliux> not on the cd
[04:45] <elmo40> hrmm, no seeders for the torrent :(
[04:45] <elmo40> what? the dvd is not installable?
[04:45] <elmo40> only live?
[04:45] <juliux> the dvd is booth
[04:45] <juliux> live and install
[04:45] <elmo40> ok
[04:45] <elmo40> nice script? gui or text?
[04:46] <juliux> you have the grafical install from the livecd and the debian installer
[04:46] <elmo40> ok
[04:47] <elmo40> hrmm, i get an error when trying to dl via torrent. "Failure: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." How do i fix that?
[04:48] <juliux> i think the feisty isos are not yet on the bittorrent tracker
[04:48] <elmo40> this is the edgyDVD
[04:48] <elmo40> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/  from this site
[04:48] <juliux> that is feisty not edgy
[04:49] <juliux> oh no it is booth
[04:50] <elmo40> very odd... i still have an error, but it is downloading :\
[04:51] <juliux> is it fast enough?
[04:51] <elmo40> that edgyDVD, i take it it is not edubuntu?
[04:51] <elmo40> 7kb/s
[04:52] <juliux> there are edubuntu and ubuntu dvds
[04:52] <elmo40> so that page, i guess it is under edubuntu, so it is the edubuntuDVD
[04:57] <willvdl> juliux, the linksys APs have a management web interface right? Any idea why they come with a windows install cd-rom?
[04:57] <juliux> willvdl, no idea
[04:57] <willvdl> odd. they should presumably jsut point you to an IP
[04:58] <willvdl> unless, the cd does that all automatically...
[04:59] <juliux> i realy have no idea, all my wlan ethernet bridges are wrap boards
[04:59] <willvdl> wrap boards?
[04:59] <juliux> yes
[04:59] <willvdl> what's that?
[04:59] <juliux> it is a embedded computer
[04:59] <willvdl> ah. gotcha
[05:00] <juliux> with only 2-3 ethernet ports, a seriell port, a mini-pci slot and a flashcard as harddisk
[05:00] <willvdl> seems most APs can do some kind of bridging mode. this is good news
[05:00] <juliux> and i installed debian on the flashcard
[05:00] <willvdl> right
[05:02] <juliux> you can also flash the linksys aps with a sepcial linux;)
[05:02] <willvdl> I'd rather not :) not yet
[05:02] <willvdl> not naw rather
[05:02] <willvdl> or now even
[05:02] <juliux> it is nice if you can manage your accesspoint via ssh
[05:05] <willvdl> true. will stick to the default. It's not for me
[05:06] <cbx33> ogra, TCM builds and runs
[05:44] <cbx33> ogra, bing bong you have TCM mail :p
[06:01] <cbx33> ping ogra
[06:01] <cbx33> any css styling gurus here?
[06:01] <cbx33> esp with positioning
[06:38] <cbx33> ping highvoltage
[06:39] <cbx33> highvoltage, nevermind
[06:39] <highvoltage> ok :-/
[06:40] <highvoltage> man it's hot
[06:40] <ircusr> hi all
[06:40] <highvoltage> hi ircusr
[06:40] <ircusr> wassup
[06:40] <lordkeiden> hi all. where do i go to find out which linux educational apps are mature enough for a live school with fairly computer iliterate staff?
[06:40] <cbx33> highvoltage, on your blog
[06:40] <highvoltage> just very hot here
[06:40] <cbx33> how did you get the date like that?
[06:41] <highvoltage> I think I'll go swim in a few minutes
[06:41] <cbx33> i think it's really cool
[06:41] <ircusr> I'm planning to offer paid tech support for edubuntu for education institutions
[06:41] <ircusr> is that ok?
[06:41] <highvoltage> ircusr: yep
[06:41] <ircusr> great!
[06:41] <highvoltage> ircusr: you might consider becoming an ubuntu affiliate
[06:41] <ircusr> how do i do that?
[06:41] <highvoltage> ircusr: http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/become/affiliate
[06:41] <lordkeiden> what DE does edubuntu use?
[06:41] <ircusr> gnome
[06:42] <ircusr> right'
[06:42] <highvoltage> ircusr: when you start making some money, you can also become an ubuntu partner
[06:42] <ircusr> ?
[06:42] <ircusr> kool :)
[06:42] <highvoltage> yes, Edubuntu uses GNOME by default
[06:42] <highvoltage> you can install others if you want too as well
[06:42] <highvoltage> cbx33: sorry, I'm not ignoring you :)
[06:42] <lordkeiden> and i assume nothing breaks if you install kde also?
[06:42] <cbx33> highvoltage, np
[06:42] <highvoltage> cbx33: that came with the wordpress theme I'm using, I also think it's quite cool
[06:43] <cbx33> yeh
[06:43] <highvoltage> lordkeiden: nope, installing KDE is fine
[06:43] <cbx33> i wanted to put it on mine
[06:43] <ircusr> i think edubuntu is a great contribution to education
[06:43] <cbx33> hehe
[06:43] <cbx33> :p
[06:43] <lordkeiden> ircusr: i'm doing that now for one christian school.
[06:43] <highvoltage> cbx33: you could probably just steal it out of the css ;)
[06:43] <ircusr> doin what
[06:43] <ircusr> i mean public schools, here in Peru
[06:43] <cbx33> prboably
[06:43] <cbx33> :p
[06:44] <highvoltage> edubuntugirl: google wikipedia peru
[06:44] <lordkeiden> paid support , not for edubuntu, but for the transition to it...
[06:44] <edubuntugirl> highvoltage: ERROR: No matches found
[06:44] <lordkeiden> ircusr: cool.
[06:45] <ircusr> what about edubuntu for colleges?
[06:45] <ircusr> are they planning to support a distro for colleges too?
[06:46] <lordkeiden> i have ubuntu installed. is ther any benefit to installing edubuntu from the repos?
[06:47] <ircusr> i dunno
[06:47] <ircusr> maybe from the educational apps
[06:47] <lordkeiden> afaik, i have every educational app know to linux installed now, at least those from all the ubuntu repos.
[06:48] <ircusr> ah
[06:49] <lordkeiden> anyone know about "Readmaster" by ACE Ministries?
[06:49] <lordkeiden> is there a linux app like it?
[06:50] <ircusr> nope
[06:50] <ircusr> did you contact the school, or did they respond to an add, lordkeiden?
[06:50] <highvoltage> lordkeiden: edubuntu makes it easy to install ubuntu with the educational applications in the repositories, but you can get to an edubuntu setup manually in ubuntu by just installing the packages that are used in edubuntu
[06:50] <highvoltage> (they share the same repositories)
[06:50] <lordkeiden> i should wait for an answer longer =) nope to the first or second ??
[06:51] <ircusr> nope to both
[06:51] <lordkeiden> the school contacted me. a friend is a teacher there, so when they needed a tech contact, she offered me up...
[06:52] <ircusr> ah
[06:52] <ircusr> connections
[06:52] <ircusr> heh?
[06:52] <lordkeiden> highvoltage: afaik, i have done that. so i have edubuntu on steroids then?
[06:53] <lordkeiden> ircusr: imho, connections out perform marketing 100-to1
[06:53] <ircusr> yea
[06:53] <ircusr> they do
[06:53] <ircusr> nobody looks up an add
[06:53] <ircusr> ad
[06:54] <lordkeiden> this 1 client has netted me 17 otheres...
[06:54] <ircusr> really
[06:54] <ircusr> wow
[06:54] <cbx33> lordkeiden, i agree with you there
[06:55] <cbx33> ping ogra
[06:55] <ircusr> i agree too
[06:55] <lordkeiden> churches are pretty loyal to their own....they know i have integrity and skillz, so they offer me up at every chance.
[06:55] <ircusr> what about the public system?
[06:56] <lordkeiden> and no adgenda but the education of the kids.
[06:56] <ircusr> ah
[06:56] <lordkeiden> in public, there is much more red tape...and many adgendas it seems.
[06:56] <ircusr> yea
[06:57] <ircusr> and its the sector that needs the most
[06:57] <lordkeiden> and in my experience, the kids education isn;t always prominent in the mix...
[06:57] <lordkeiden> ircusr: true...
[06:57] <ircusr> damn
[06:57] <lordkeiden> ircusr: ?
[06:58] <ircusr> i wonder if there's a way to break with edubuntu into the public system without all the redtape
[06:58] <lordkeiden> it will take a solid contact to help you find the champion in the school board...
[06:59] <lordkeiden> i would start with a single school...like a pilot school. when there is success there, you have an entire school as your champion to the board...
[07:03] <lordkeiden> u will still have the red tape, but with a school as a champion, you may find that the board *wants* you to get thru it so you can get to work savin them money and improving their test scores with technology.
[07:11] <lordkeiden> are keduca and gcompris good tools? where should i look for truely useful apps? i am a tech guy, so my job in this is to evaluate the stability and features as best as i can, then turn over the apps i like to the educators and let them tell me what is and isn't good, but i don't wanna hand them a bunch of stuff thats still 2 years from being ready fot the classroom.
[07:12] <lordkeiden> i gotta reboot, but please answer. I'll be back soon to see the activity. thanks
[07:35] <lordkeiden> is there a feisty for edubuntu?
[07:39] <Burgwork> yes
[07:40] <lordkeiden> so the packages I get from the feisty repos are not renamed edgy ones?
[07:41] <stgraber> the repos are the same for all edubuntu/ubuntu/kubuntu/xubuntu
[07:41] <stgraber> so if you have set feisty in your sources, you get the feisty packages
[07:43] <lordkeiden> well that's kewl. efficient
[07:59] <ircusr> i want to spread edubuntu over the public system here in peru
[08:18] <cbx33> hey LaserJock
[08:18] <LaserJock> hi Pete
[08:18] <juliux> i have a question, is there commercial support for edubuntu available?
[08:19] <LaserJock> I think  so
[08:19] <LaserJock> but I'm not positive about that
[08:23] <cbx33> ping ogra
[08:24] <highvoltage> LaserJock: hehe, have you seen this before? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lSmI_zsTgA&mode=related&search=
[08:26] <juliux> LaserJock, ok I will ask RichEd
[08:28] <LaserJock> highvoltage: lol
[08:28] <highvoltage> juliux: as far as I understand CAnonical does provide commercial support for edubuntu
[08:29] <juliux> highvoltage, thxs
[08:35] <cbx33> highvoltage, http://www.progbox.co.uk/wordpress/
[08:35] <cbx33> consider it stolen :p
[08:39] <Burgwork> hey LaserJock, cbx33
[08:39] <cbx33> hi Burgwork
[08:40] <cbx33> highvoltage, http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/29/apple-uk-im-a-mac-im-a-pc-smashing-isnt-it/
[08:40] <LaserJock> hi Burgwork
[08:40] <cbx33> LaserJock, did you still need some pygtk stuff done?
[08:41] <LaserJock> cbx33: considering that FF is the 8th I'm considering deferring the menu spec to Feisty+1
[08:41] <cbx33> ok
[08:41] <LaserJock> I'd rather put time into some MIRs to get some more apps on the 2nd CD
[08:42] <LaserJock> ogra: do you have an opinion on ^^ ?
[08:42] <cbx33> well i was gonna say I'm probably gonna be pretty busy the next few days, with book and tcm
[08:43] <LaserJock> mhm
[08:43] <LaserJock> I'm swamped too
[08:52] <willvdl> LaserJock, where is your MIR list again?
[08:52] <LaserJock> willvdl: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JordanMantha/EdubuntuMIRCandidates
[08:53] <LaserJock> although I suspect I won't be able to get many of them this time
[08:53] <LaserJock> the dependencies are a bugger
[08:53] <willvdl> sweet. been thinking about it recently
[08:54] <Burgwork> LaserJock: childsplay is not really that great and duplicates gcompris
[08:54] <willvdl> LaserJock, familiar with http://matplotlib.sourceforge.net/?
[08:56] <LaserJock> willvdl: a bit actually
[08:56] <LaserJock> willvdl: I think scipy + matplotlib is an excellent scientific computing tool
[08:56] <willvdl> been a few years since I played with MAtlab etc.
[08:56] <LaserJock> I use scipy in my research
[08:57] <willvdl> my engineer mates swear by it
[08:57] <LaserJock> and if I did much plotting I'd use matplotlib
[08:57] <LaserJock> yes
[08:57] <LaserJock> they are teaching matlab as an intro to programming in a lot of engineering departments
[08:58] <LaserJock> my younger brother is working on an engineering degree, CAD and Matlab are about the "killer apps"
[08:59] <willvdl> MAtlab as intro to programming? ow
[09:00] <LaserJock> yeah, there is a fair amount of effort in the Python community to get Python there first :-)
[09:00] <willvdl> I jsut remember the matrix conventions being back to front from C :)
[09:00] <willvdl> but never really played with Octave
[09:01] <highvoltage> cbx33: :)
[09:04] <willvdl> LaserJock, we should think about library management systems some time in the future too: http://www.koha.org/  http://www.emilda.org/
[09:04] <LaserJock> cbx33: those are really funny. Somehow I always find British TV to be much funnier
[09:05] <cbx33> hheheh
[09:07] <LaserJock> willvdl: yeah, we need to work on staging these things. Getting packages into Universe, then once they seem stable, secure, and useful promote them to Main
[09:08] <bdoin> hi, GCompris users complained that version 7.2 on dapper crashed in the algebra activity. they tested 7.4 in the next release and it doesn't crash. is there a way to fix the dapper package?
[09:08] <willvdl> strangely library management is not something I've seen pop up on our lists before
[09:08] <willvdl> but my mother is a librarian :)
[09:08] <LaserJock> bdoin: you can request a backport for the dapper-backports repository
[09:09] <bdoin> great, how to request that ?
[09:09] <LaserJock> bdoin: or if the bug has a specific fix, we can backport that fix to 7.2
[09:10] <LaserJock> bdoin: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BackportRequestProcess
[09:11] <bdoin> i did not checked yet precisely but it's probably a one liner. it would be better anyway to have our 7.4 in dapper because the 7.2 is not maintained anymore.
[09:12] <LaserJock> well, the only thing is that the dapper-backports repository isn't as widely used
[09:13] <bdoin> ok so a fix is better
[09:13] <LaserJock> it is, although it's a bit tougher to get it in
[09:14] <LaserJock> you could always try both
[09:14] <LaserJock> get 7.4 backported
[09:14] <highvoltage> heh @ Paul Flint's bug reply
[09:14] <LaserJock> and then try to get 7.2 fixed for people who don't use dapper-backports
[09:16] <LaserJock> highvoltage: hehe, yeah
[09:19] <juliux> cbx33, take a look at http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_back.png and http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_front.png
[09:22] <cbx33> juliux, is this for feisty?
[09:23] <cbx33> nice
[09:23] <cbx33> typo on first word on  front
[09:23] <cbx33> edbuntu
[09:23] <juliux> cbx33, it is still under construction
[09:23] <cbx33> ah ok
[09:23] <cbx33> :p
[09:23] <willvdl> cbx33, more a layout thing at the mo
[09:23] <cbx33> yeh it looks awesome
[09:23] <juliux> cbx33, i copied the text from your BETT flyer
[09:23] <cbx33> better tha nthe one i did
[09:23] <cbx33> ~Yikes
[09:24] <willvdl> cbx33, i copied the text from your BETT flyer:   lol
[09:24] <cbx33> phew thankfuylly not that paragraph
[09:25] <juliux> i only changed the positions and the format
[09:26] <willvdl> cbx33 :) Don't worry, we checked your flyer as well.
[09:26] <cbx33> hehe
[09:26] <cbx33> good
[09:26] <lordkeiden> anyone ever use "Readmaster" from ACE Ministries? anything like it in linux?
[09:26] <cbx33> lordkeiden, what's it do?
[09:27] <juliux> willvdl, what do you think?
[09:27] <willvdl> I like it. I think we need it
[09:29] <lordkeiden> it is a reading program (duh) It dispalys a story for the student to read, erasing the story as they read, forcing then to read at a increasing rate. as they improve their speed, the pace is increased. there is a comprehencion test after each story to gauge their speed vs comprehention.
[09:30] <juliux> willvdl, that is a good answer
[09:31] <willvdl> I practice my good answers :)
[09:32] <juliux> i think about some more color on the back
[09:33] <LaserJock> lordkeiden: I don't know of any, but I don't know every app in Linux either :-)
[09:36] <willvdl> LaserJock, but we were counting on you :P
[09:36] <LaserJock> yikes
[09:36] <willvdl> don't let us down
[09:46] <lordkeiden> too late...i'm crushed...not i gotta go back to windows...all uz of LaserJock...
[09:47] <lordkeiden> (i knew I shouldn't have used the winxp cd for kindleing)
[09:48] <LaserJock> heh
[09:48] <LaserJock> well, you can sometimes run Windows apps in Linux using a program called Wine
[09:50] <lordkeiden> lol...yeah, i know. I can run the app in linux, with wine. the real problem is that the vendor stops renewing licenses for it in june, and it is their "holy grail" app...
[09:51] <LaserJock> hmm, have you googled around?
[09:51] <LaserJock> I've seen mentions of reading apps, but I don't know their feature sets to know if they'll do what you describe
[09:54] <jbrefort> LaserJock, any patch for gchemutils?
[09:55] <LaserJock> jbrefort: how much time do we have?
[09:55] <LaserJock> unfortunately my time is really getting eaten up in RL
[09:55] <jbrefort> 10 days if I'm optimistic
[09:56] <LaserJock> I was made Head Teaching Assistant this semester
[09:56] <LaserJock> and I wasn't planning on any teaching duties whatsoever
[09:56] <jbrefort> but I found several issues today, so it might be a bit more
[09:56] <LaserJock> are you wanting mostly the docs?
[09:56] <jbrefort> and the electronegativity color scheme, may be
[09:57] <LaserJock> k, I'll see what I can do
[09:57] <LaserJock> sorry about not getting these earlier
[09:57] <jbrefort> after next release, only bugs fixes will be accepted until 0.8.0 is out
[09:57] <jbrefort> np, I'm late too, too much work
[09:58] <jbrefort> currently testing a potential crasher...
[09:59] <juliux> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWiring are this pictures still up to date?
[10:36] <cbx33> ping ogra
[11:09] <cbx33> edubuntugirl, tell ogra I'm off for the night....please mail me...if you get the book chapter looked at...Ican then look at it tomrorow morning on the way to work
[11:09] <edubuntugirl> Righto, cbx33!