=== pitux [n=pitux@21-95-20-190.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === cafuego_ [n=cafuego@caffeine.mel.cc.com.au] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@cpe-76-179-82-249.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@cpe-76-179-82-249.maine.res.rr.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust513.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === neoplasticity [n=neo@63.237.23.210] has joined #edubuntu [02:34] hello [03:16] anyone home? [03:20] nope === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d42919.wlks.losch.net] has joined #edubuntu === the_5th_wheel [n=edd@kalfu.slipgate.za.net] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.102.134] has joined #edubuntu [08:06] hey elmo40 ... === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.49.221.191] has joined #edubuntu [08:50] RichEd: hi === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:02] someones got mail! I have just sent the link to the new edubuntu-docs package for Feisty that I created. enjoy! === eroniusmaximus [n=a@gk010.leo-net.jp] has left #edubuntu [] === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [09:53] mornin willvdl [09:53] g'morning cbx33 & willvdl again [09:53] hey RichEd [09:53] ogra_ been about yet? [09:54] !seen ogra [09:54] Sorry, I don't know anything about seen ogra - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [09:54] hey all [09:54] !seen ogra_ [09:54] Sorry, I don't know anything about seen ogra_ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [09:55] howz it going willvdl [09:56] wasup with the bot and !seen ... have i got my syntax wrong ? [09:56] no no that's right [09:56] !seen RichEd [09:56] Sorry, I don't know anything about seen riched - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [09:57] so is ubotu battling to get out of bed today ? was there a bot drinking convention this weekend causing short term memory loss ? [09:57] what's edubuntugirl been up to [09:57] she's a naughty girl isn't she [09:57] but cbx33 to answer your question: nope not from my side ... last chatted to ogra in friday [09:57] ok [09:57] he'll be busy busy with tests and feature freeze === RichEd is concerned about cbx33 and edubuntu girl ... and the naughty flirting angle [09:58] RichEd, I know that, that's why I need to speak to him [09:59] edubuntgirl: tell ogra and ogra_ that cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment [10:00] edubuntugirl: tell ogra that cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment [10:00] Righto, RichEd! [10:00] edubuntugirl: tell ogra_ that cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment [10:00] Righto, RichEd! [10:00] thanks [10:00] hah [10:00] he's gonna get plastered with message [10:00] s [10:00] hehehe [10:05] cbx33: if you do a !seen it asks ubotu [10:05] edubuntugirl: seen ogra [10:05] ogra was last seen on #edubuntu 2 days, 18 hours, 49 minutes and 0 seconds ago, saying: accroding to firefox --help there is ... [Fri Feb 2 16:16:30 2007] [10:05] cool highvoltage [10:05] thanks dude [10:06] nobody knows edubuntugirl like highvoltage .. [10:06] edubuntugirl for the revolution! [10:06] highvoltage: sorry... [10:06] pgg [10:12] anyone else tested herd3? [10:13] edubuntugirl: seen ogra_ [10:13] ogra_ was last seen on #edubuntu 5 days, 20 hours, 42 minutes and 37 seconds ago, saying: ?? [Tue Jan 30 14:31:39 2007] [10:14] edubuntu...girl? [10:14] hey highvoltage [10:14] smile ... yep ... we've got a chic bot ... but we're not sexist ... just geeks ;) [10:15] hey RichEd [10:15] RichEd: ogra and ogra_ are two different nicks, that's why they have different seen times [10:15] which is why i tested the second option to chek if oliver had been around under his alter ego === Feral_Kid [n=FeralKid@red-corp-201.170.30.210.telnor.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:16] so thanks ... but was aware of that :) === Feral_Kid [n=FeralKid@red-corp-201.170.30.210.telnor.net] has left #edubuntu ["Ex-Chat"] [10:16] edubuntu-girl is a symbol of independence and uprising against old people who want to enforce their outdated ways onto the world! :) [10:16] (well, since the edubuntugirl posts on the mailing lists, anyway) [10:28] that old-people-ist! === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === SiCk-- [i=wakeupha@cpc2-blfs2-0-0-cust190.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu [11:04] highvoltage, can irssi show several windows at once? === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === pete [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #edubuntu === jinty [n=jinty@64.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:27] hey cbx33 [11:27] ogra_: by the way, RichEd told me to tell you 'cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment' 1 hours, 26 minutes and 48 seconds ago (on Mon Feb 5 11:00:49 2007) [11:31] hi ogra_ [11:31] pm please [11:37] cbx33, do you read me ? [11:37] oh ... [11:37] hmm [11:37] no [11:37] not registered? === ogra_ is now known as ogra [11:37] I'm writing a message === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [12:11] How much Disk Space does Edubuntu require??? [12:12] smile: 2GB for a workable install [12:14] ok, thanks [12:15] if i install Edubuntu, will i still be able to boot into XP [12:15] RichEd: hey dude [12:16] smile, it depends how you partition your drive i'd say [12:16] smile: yes ... you can choose dual boot option on install ... it will leave your XP untouched ... and will help you make a new partition for edubuntu [12:16] jsgotangco: 'lo there [12:17] xp is on C Drive. i'll install Edubuntu on a section of D Drive patition [12:17] oh oki [12:17] will it do dual boot by default [12:17] smile ... not sure if it will boot that way ... rather give it 2GC on C for booting ... and then you can create a shared data section for both operating systems ... FAT32 [12:17] (on D: I mean) [12:18] re dual bot, it gives you a GRUB menu when you power up, and then you choose which boot you want. [12:18] both are NTFS [12:18] so i should install on C:? [12:18] is it possible to d [12:18] it's a text menu which loads as soon as the PC firmware loads [12:18] I'm not sure if it will boot from D: anyone else can you confirm this ? [12:18] is it possible to share disk space between Linux and Windows?! [12:19] smile: note that if you set up a shared data partition as FAT32, both Linux and Windows can read and write to it. [12:19] If you leave it as NTFS, linux will *read* it by default, but it will not mount the drive as writeable. [12:19] let me get you a wiki page on dual boot install .... give me a min [12:20] do i have to reformat my entire drive into FAT before installing Edubuntu? [12:20] no cookie [12:21] nope: see here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot [12:21] where it says ubuntu, just read edubuntu ... same principles apply [12:21] back in a few mins [01:01] ping ogra, willvdl, rodarvus [01:02] we're all quite busy today ... so please just update the UES page and Education page if you have changes / updates [01:02] oh, ok [01:02] ogra: by the way, pygi told me to tell you 'poke me once he's around pls, thanks' 15 hours, 9 minutes and 48 seconds ago (on Sun Feb 4 22:53:02 2007) [01:02] ogra: by the way, RichEd told me to tell you 'cbx33 would like a word with him when he has a moment' 3 hours, 2 minutes and 8 seconds ago (on Mon Feb 5 11:00:42 2007) === pipedrea1 [n=pipedrea@kingklip.aims.ac.za] has joined #edubuntu === jack_at_home [n=jack@222.131.249.214] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu [01:56] RichEd, pong [01:57] ah, ok [02:02] :) === pirast [n=martin@p508B28FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [03:09] ogra, re earlier discussions Edubuntu 7.04 "Feisty Fawn" - Alpha i386 (20070201.1) [03:16] cbx33, [03:17] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-3/feisty-server-i386.list says herd3 has ltsp 0.132 [03:17] ltsp (0.133) feisty; urgency=low [03:17] . [03:17] * final switch for pulseaudio support [03:17] ^^^ that was the change that added the pulse-esound-compat plugin [03:18] there was no such dependency on herd3 [03:18] so i dont understand what you tested there to get that breakage [03:21] hmm [03:21] how odd [03:21] did you doenload updates during install ? [03:21] do you hve the md5sum there for your iso? [03:21] *download [03:21] hmmm [03:21] don't think so but possibly [03:21] so i will try a reinstall without the net connected [03:21] sound like a plan? [03:22] is esound-compat in main yeT? [03:22] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/releases/feisty/herd-3/MD5SUMS [03:22] no, thats why i waited with the dep until herd3 was done [03:23] right === froud [n=sean@dsl-242-133-48.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [03:23] well then i must have downloaded updates [03:23] I'll do it again but disconnect the net [03:23] seeing as as you saif there is no way it could have been included in herd 3 [03:25] hmm.... === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco waves [03:26] it says I'm using ltsp-client 0.132 [03:26] ok but 0.133 is installed [03:26] so yes that's why [03:27] sudo chroot /opt/ltsp/i386/ dpkg -s ltsp-client|grep Version [03:27] ?? [03:28] the installed version is 0.133 [03:28] in the main system [03:28] can i revert my change to get a working chroot? [03:29] or shall I just apt-get remove and dpkg -i the other pacakges? [03:31] you could wipe your chroot and use universe in an --extra-mirror option [03:31] see man ltsp-build-client :) [03:31] yeh..... man ltsp-build-client....which I wrote :p [03:32] which is outdated [03:32] i know [03:32] i need to write a geneartor for it [03:32] so it gets updated according to distro we build on and according to the used plugins === pirast [n=martin@p508B28FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [03:33] indeed [03:33] i didn't realise it was so huge [03:33] with the whole plugin system etc [03:33] only looked at it yesterday [03:34] sorry sat [03:34] ok [03:34] think I have a working deb now [03:34] just gonna try installing and running [03:35] is the Xb-Python-Version field ok in my packge? [03:35] dpkg keeps complaining about it saying it's unknown [03:35] you mean because pbuilder moans ? [03:35] yes, its fine [03:35] yeh [03:35] ok [03:35] the warning during build as well [03:35] pbuilder and debuild [03:35] hehe [03:35] yup [03:35] yep [03:35] ok installing the chroot [03:35] someone should fix that ... but seems nobody is intrested [03:36] heh [03:36] it should only be a small fix surely === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #edubuntu [03:36] it's bad in a way cos it makes the newer packagers think they are doing something wrong [03:36] right [03:36] not only the new ones :) [03:36] hah [03:36] :p [03:37] ouch [03:37] ltsp-build-client just failed.... [03:37] ok, three MIRs to go ... [03:37] nice one [03:37] oh, how ? [03:37] ahhh [03:37] bzip [03:37] compressed file ended prematurely [03:37] bzip ? [03:37] weird [03:37] bzip2 [03:37] yeh [03:38] I'll re run it [03:38] it was whilst getting pacakges from universe [03:38] we don;t need another MIR for tc m do we? [03:38] Heya [03:39] nope [03:39] just a short notification for the archive admins and new seeding [03:39] yup === cbx33 should really learn about apt-cache [03:41] ubotu: date [03:41] Sorry, I don't know anything about date - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [03:41] what is this bot for? [03:44] ogra, this ltsp build isn't having much luck i wonder if a reinstall would be quicker :p === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AF8CD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [03:51] elmo40, it is a wiki bot [03:51] @ssh [03:51] ubotu, ssh [03:51] SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ [03:51] ahh, i see [03:52] so who can tell me what the date is? ;) [03:52] ubotu: avi [03:52] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [03:52] elmo40, i have no idea ask in #ubuntu-ops [03:52] its 14:52 UTC [03:52] in the #elive room, they have apt. apt will tell you all :-P [03:52] :) [03:53] how many bots in here? [03:53] wasnt ubuntugirl a bot? [03:53] three at least [03:53] four even [03:53] yeh, ogra_ is a bot :p [03:53] :P [03:54] hehe [03:54] grrr [03:54] USB stopped working my VM for some reasson === ogra_ is now known as ogra [03:54] wasnt me [03:54] bet it was :p [03:54] hehe [03:55] right ftp it is then [03:57] ogra, be prepared for an email in a mo [03:59] ogra, did you think you find time to come one day to essen? [03:59] when ? [04:00] i'm in italy the last feb weekend [04:00] ogra, 17 and 18 february [04:00] no [04:00] 16th is my bday ... i wont work on that weekend [04:00] ahhhh [04:00] so we should come to you and sing a song for you;) [04:00] hehe, yes [04:01] but essen->kassel is quite some distance :) [04:01] if you drive dresden->essen essen->kassel is nothing [04:02] heh, right [04:02] get a car man .... [04:02] i read that breifley and translated....ogra do you think one day you'll find the time to eat [04:02] you are in germany and supposed to help with the traffic jams [04:02] cbx33, heh [04:02] ogra, lol [04:02] good suggestion btw === ogra goes to find some late breakfast [04:03] is this right ogra [04:03] removing student-c-p wans to remove edubuntu-desktop too [04:03] yep [04:04] seedchange [04:04] ahh [04:04] i cant change it before the package is in the archive [04:04] just dont forget to reinstall edubuntu-desktop later [04:05] ok [04:05] but won;t it try to install student-control-panel? [04:08] ogra, hmm....it's complaining about importing the module now [04:08] oh [04:08] nevermind [04:13] oi! [04:14] something has changed in dbus ogra :p [04:23] ogra@edubuntu:~/packages$ sudo ltsp-build-client --extra-mirror http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu universe --chroot test [04:23] .... [04:23] /opt/ltsp/blepp/boot/./vmlinuz -> /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/blepp/./vmlinuz [04:23] info: LTSP client installation completed successfully [04:24] works fine with 0.133 [04:24] at least for me [04:24] :p [04:24] just getting help on my dbus issue [04:24] are things changing? should i hold on till edubuntu is upgraded to grab the newest version? [04:25] elmo40, you'll have to wait till april [04:25] ouch :/ [04:26] why so far? that when ubuntu is changing? [04:27] 6.10 is latest? [04:27] yes [04:29] hey, what is 7.04? Feisty Fawn? [04:29] that's the release we;'re working on right no [04:29] w === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [04:30] ahh, ok. And that will be due in April, right? [04:30] now, why is it called DVD version, when it is under 700mb? [04:33] ogra, at the moment, the plugins were statically linked to the python2.4 folder [04:34] so /usr/lib/python2.4/site-pacakges/studentdcontropanel/plugins [04:34] but now of course we use python 2.5 so that doesn't work [04:34] shouldI statically change the link.....or where else should I point it [04:35] it reads the plugins by doing an ls of the folder the plugins are in [04:35] what should I do ogra ? [04:35] can anyone suggest a decent wireless AP that can do ethernet bridging? [04:37] cbx33, ?? [04:37] willvdl, most of the linksys aps [04:38] you shouldnt have to do *anything* with that path [04:38] juliux, just looking at them now [04:38] just depend on the right python version [04:38] willvdl, linksys is ciscohardware [04:38] ogra, so how can i traverse the path where the plugins folder is located [04:38] to find which plugins are there [04:38] juliux, what about netgear? [04:38] willvdl, bah netgear [04:38] willvdl, the webinterface is bullshit [04:39] cbx33, you dont [04:39] you only import the module [04:39] dont use the path anywhere [04:39] yeh yeh i know that [04:39] juliux, don't need one, only need to bridge an ethernet network to an accesspoint providing internet [04:39] willvdl, you can flash most of the linksys aps [04:39] but....how does it know what modules are available in that dir? [04:39] pycentral will care for all links for the right py versions [04:39] it has a builtin searchpath [04:40] no no [04:40] how does tcm [04:40] it==python [04:40] willvdl, hm ok [04:40] it=tcm [04:40] tcm does an "ls" on the plugins dir [04:40] have you looked at python-ltsp ? [04:40] to find the names of the modules to import [04:40] EEK [04:40] i dissapoint you more and more each day right :p [04:40] look at python-ltsp's __init__.py [04:40] ok [04:41] just use something like that [04:41] juliux, just looking for a nice bridge or AP in bridge mode that can handle 20 or so clients [04:41] let the python module handler do the rest for you [04:41] necver use hardcoded paths *anywhere* [04:41] ogra, as i need to find out the names of the plugins to tie them to the context menu [04:41] willvdl, i work a littlebit more on the edubuntu flyer desing see http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_back.png http://ubuntu.juliux.de/edubuntu_front.png [04:42] then they should go into /usr/share/tcm ... not into the module dir [04:42] willvdl, then take the bridge you get by your local computer reseller [04:42] ok [04:42] I'll move it [04:42] w00t i have it running [04:42] now to tart it up for you [04:43] ahh, nevermind... fiesty DVD is only 680Mb(unfinished?) while edgy DVD is 3.8Gb. How many wm's does the DVD come with? [04:43] juliux, the reseller is about 5000km away in west africa [04:43] :) [04:43] willvdl, lol [04:44] elmo40, on the dvd is everything from main, so gnome,kde and xfce i think [04:44] i see [04:44] just wondering why it was 3.7Gb ;) It is also an install disc? [04:45] not on the cd [04:45] hrmm, no seeders for the torrent :( [04:45] what? the dvd is not installable? [04:45] only live? [04:45] the dvd is booth [04:45] live and install [04:45] ok [04:45] nice script? gui or text? [04:46] you have the grafical install from the livecd and the debian installer [04:46] ok [04:47] hrmm, i get an error when trying to dl via torrent. "Failure: Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker." How do i fix that? [04:48] i think the feisty isos are not yet on the bittorrent tracker [04:48] this is the edgyDVD [04:48] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/edubuntu/dvd/current/ from this site [04:48] that is feisty not edgy [04:49] oh no it is booth [04:50] very odd... i still have an error, but it is downloading :\ [04:51] is it fast enough? [04:51] that edgyDVD, i take it it is not edubuntu? [04:51] 7kb/s [04:52] there are edubuntu and ubuntu dvds [04:52] so that page, i guess it is under edubuntu, so it is the edubuntuDVD === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #edubuntu [04:57] juliux, the linksys APs have a management web interface right? Any idea why they come with a windows install cd-rom? [04:57] willvdl, no idea [04:57] odd. they should presumably jsut point you to an IP [04:58] unless, the cd does that all automatically... [04:59] i realy have no idea, all my wlan ethernet bridges are wrap boards [04:59] wrap boards? [04:59] yes [04:59] what's that? [04:59] it is a embedded computer [04:59] ah. gotcha [05:00] with only 2-3 ethernet ports, a seriell port, a mini-pci slot and a flashcard as harddisk [05:00] seems most APs can do some kind of bridging mode. this is good news [05:00] and i installed debian on the flashcard [05:00] right === nothlit [n=nothlit@pcd648079.netvigator.com] has joined #edubuntu [05:02] you can also flash the linksys aps with a sepcial linux;) [05:02] I'd rather not :) not yet [05:02] not naw rather [05:02] or now even [05:02] it is nice if you can manage your accesspoint via ssh [05:05] true. will stick to the default. It's not for me [05:06] ogra, TCM builds and runs === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.102.134] has joined #edubuntu === nothlit [n=nothlit@pcd648079.netvigator.com] has left #edubuntu [] [05:44] ogra, bing bong you have TCM mail :p === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [06:01] ping ogra [06:01] any css styling gurus here? [06:01] esp with positioning === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu === joumetal [n=joumetal@laku34.adsl.netsonic.fi] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [06:38] ping highvoltage === lordkeiden [n=lordkeid@68-188-193-183.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu [06:39] highvoltage, nevermind [06:39] ok :-/ [06:40] man it's hot === ircusr [n=ircusr@201.230.178.146] has joined #edubuntu === highvoltage gets into cooler clothes [06:40] hi all [06:40] hi ircusr [06:40] wassup [06:40] hi all. where do i go to find out which linux educational apps are mature enough for a live school with fairly computer iliterate staff? [06:40] highvoltage, on your blog [06:40] just very hot here [06:40] how did you get the date like that? [06:41] I think I'll go swim in a few minutes [06:41] i think it's really cool [06:41] I'm planning to offer paid tech support for edubuntu for education institutions [06:41] is that ok? [06:41] ircusr: yep [06:41] great! [06:41] ircusr: you might consider becoming an ubuntu affiliate [06:41] how do i do that? [06:41]