=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:21] mhb: concrats [12:21] mhb: i'm working on it right now (though i should really be doing homework) but i'll need software properties, which Riddell said will be uploaded tomorrow [12:22] yuriy_: the gtk version is available in update-manager if you want to try it out [12:22] it works exactly the same [12:22] just change software-properties to software-properties-kde for the final thing === Hobbsee waves === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-56-132.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-56-132.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === toma waves [12:32] :) [12:32] hi Hobbsee === manchicken_ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso_ [n=jpetso@N878P005.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@d226-26-139.home.cgocable.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MrWGW [n=wgw@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:57] good afternoon === shnee_ [n=CurtyD13@cblmdm72-241-107-50.buckeyecom.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken__ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:17] stable 2.6.20 is out === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:22] dang it === manchicken_ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:36] meetinglogger, pong , amarok 1.4.5 uploaded to feisty not too long ago, it should hit the next publisher run, edgy packages building now [01:36] brb time to goto the store and grab some dew [01:36] woot :D [01:36] Are there alot of optimizations in 1.4.5? [01:36] because 1.4.4 is still a hog and takes long time to load === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:38] imbrandon! [01:38] oh, bad, beaten by mountain dew [01:39] hehe [01:39] ooh, that was quick [01:39] imbrandon: are you doing edgy builds? [01:39] i dident leave yet and the computer "dinged" [01:39] Riddell, i have the libgpod compiling now for edgy, but if you already and planned on finishing them tonight [01:40] unless you have them already ( doubtfull since i just uploaded it ) [01:40] hmm, I don't see 1.4.5 announced on the amarok website, why do people keep saying it's released? [01:40] imbrandon: can't live without the mt dew.. [01:40] Riddell: It is [01:40] XVampireX: where? [01:40] Riddell: They are lazy [01:42] XVampireX: so where have you seen it? it's not on http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Source [01:42] Riddell, they dident announce it yet [01:42] imbrandon: / Riddell: ponies! [01:42] because it hasent synced to ftp.kde [01:42] Riddell: #amarok [01:43] Riddell: Read the topic in there [01:43] Riddell, < apachelogger> markey: 1.4.5 is on ktown, gets synced to ftp.kde until sunrise (hopefully) ;-) [01:43] so no official web announcement other than IRC yet [01:43] crimsun, !! [01:44] ok, so no major panic [01:44] right [01:44] crimsun!!! [01:44] i made sure hehehe [01:44] imbrandon: making sure you don't package up & distribute a broken pre-release? [01:44] imbrandon: are you planning to do edgy backports on all three platforms? [01:45] ajmitch: has there been a broken pre-release? [01:45] i dont have my ppc running atm ;( but i can cover the other two [01:45] imbrandon: good enough for me === manchicken__ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:45] ajmitch, hehe nah we got the "official" tarbal a few days ago but we arent supose to upload it to the main repos till its "released" [01:45] imbrandon: throw all the files up on a web server somewhere and ping me, I'll put them on kubuntu.org in the European morning [01:45] kk [01:47] Riddell: not that I'm aware of [01:48] fabo: do you plan to upload basket 0.6 to debian soon? would be cool to get it in ubuntu before feature freeze on thursday [01:48] oh, it's ana doing basket, my mistake [01:49] and it's a release candidate, ignore me === Riddell goes to snooze [01:50] gnight Riddell === imbrandon goes to grab some dew === poningru_ [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === MrWGW [n=wgw@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Kopete] === manchicken_ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dyn-129-64-204-24.wireless-bg.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken__ [n=manchick@c-76-16-240-139.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:24] hmm software-properties doesn't seem to work with kdesu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === shnee_ [n=CurtyD13@cblmdm72-241-107-50.buckeyecom.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-153-72.dorm.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === NeoChaosX [n=nael@ppp-71-139-176-111.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === conanswimfas1 [n=conanswi@70.44.160.93.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === conanswimfas1 [n=conanswi@70.44.160.93.res-cmts.sth.ptd.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === ash211 [n=andrew@user-11213f8.dsl.mindspring.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:09] fabo: how is 0.6.0 == 1.0~beta3? [06:09] (basket) [06:17] Riddell: basket 0.6.0 is in ubuntu, has been for quite some itme now. === Jucato sobs at 0.5.0 in edgy... [06:18] there are debs for edgy on the site [06:18] or just build the feisty source for edgy [06:19] heh yeah :) [06:19] I might build from source, as a test of my packaging studies :P [06:20] Hobbsee: was that Amarok 1.4.5 upload only for feisty? === Hobbsee shrugs [06:20] ash211: yeah, think so [06:20] at the moment [06:20] so there's an edgy/dapper release planned? === Hobbsee checks if imbrandon is here [06:21] !info libgpod edgy [06:21] Package libgpod does not exist in edgy [06:21] hrm, maybe. [06:21] edgy at least [06:21] great [06:21] !info libgtkpod edgy [06:21] Package libgtkpod does not exist in edgy [06:21] lol sorry :) [06:21] thanks for uploading that, Hobbsee [06:22] ash211: imbrandon did. i made changes while it was still on his harddrive :) [06:22] hey, whatever works! === Hobbsee discovers aptitude changelog amarok [06:24] that works for adept but not amarok for me [06:24] I wonder why [06:31] afternoon kubuntu devs [06:31] yep, still afternoon for Hobbsee :) [06:32] :) [06:35] yo Hobbsee [06:39] sigh, so the mysql and postgresql backends are completely busted for amarok 1.4.5 in feisty === wgw [n=wgw@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:04] good evening [07:04] ho wgw [07:05] ho? [07:05] that's a new one :) [07:05] I've just been having an agonizing day in terms of GUI development... [07:06] err design === wgw_ [n=wgw@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:11] back sry === wgw_ [n=wgw@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-049-234.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54956DB4.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === firephoto [n=tom@pool-71-115-214-25.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === wgw__ [n=wgw@cpe-75-85-97-183.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:34] kwwii, are you around? === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEA7C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:07] wgw__: yepp === _superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freet15_ [n=freet15@61.49.221.191] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:34] kwii, fyi I'm here === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:24] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/KubuntuFeistyIdeas [09:24] for anyone interested in art stuff :-) [09:24] pretty cool [09:24] let's see if we can't teach the Apple people how to make an OS look nice :-P === Jucato still dreams of the day when we can get a Kubuntu icon in the K Menu :P [09:25] that would be nice [09:25] dare I confess that I find the KDE icon/logo to be annoying? [09:25] it's not as bad as the GNOME foot, but still, it annoys me [09:26] kwwii: iirc Tonio_ mentioned a problem with the fonts? suggesting to switch to DejaVu as default? === Jucato has nothing against the K Menu... just wants to see the Kubuntu "brand" :) [09:26] Jucato: yeah, it appears to be a bug in the kde font handling [09:27] it does not recognize the condensed size because of a problem in the name [09:27] speaking of which, Jucato [09:27] oh [09:27] I was telling kwwii, I was able to get a huge improvement in the font display [09:27] but in order to do it, I had to use proprietary fonts [09:27] wgw__: too bad... :( [09:27] so I'm hoping to find the time at some point this year to do a halfway decent knockoff of Helvetica, and of Futura [09:28] but basically, my solution has been to use the proprietary fonts + medium strength hinting in KDE, with hinting turned completely off in GNOME [09:28] GNOME's hinting distorts the letterforms, especially the upper 33%, and also messes with the kerning [09:29] however, some free fonts might be up to the task [09:29] now in the US, a typeface itself can't be copyrighted [09:29] but a font software program can [09:29] so the trick is basically to rip off the font and get the clone software to do as good or better a job at rendering the letterforms [09:29] and in the US, at any rate, that's legal [09:30] but in other countries? [09:30] kwwii: btw, is there a technical advantage in making the Background.png in the ksplash theme just a symlink to the Kubuntu wallpaper? [09:30] well, that's difficult to say [09:31] however, the font Nimbus Sans is an absolute rip off of Helvetica, and Zurich is an absolte rip off of Univers [09:31] wgw__: which makes it more difficult to implement :) [09:31] and Zurich gets bundled with MS windows [09:31] and Nimbus gets bundled with many UNIXes I've tried [09:31] so I don't think its a problem [09:31] Helvetica and Univers IIRC are owned by a major typefoundry [09:32] at least 50% of the fonts that ship with any Linux do seem to be rip offs, so I don't think its a problem [09:32] the trouble is, they're not good rip offs [09:32] in terms of kerning, and other subtle details [09:32] seem to be vs. actually are... [09:32] Nimbus, for instance, doesn't perform nearly as well as geniune Helvetica or even Arial on Linux [09:33] Jucato: I think that is an issue with updating [09:34] kwwii: hm... ok... :) [09:34] kwwii: btw, were you able to see what I mentioned about the default color scheme in Edgy vs. the one .kcsrc file in kubuntu-default-settings ? [09:37] nope [09:37] what was wrong? [09:38] kwwii: the Default Scheme that is used after installation, is not the same as the kuseven color scheme in kubuntu-default-settings. so basically, there's no way to revert to the exact default Kubuntu scheme once you change it === Jucato tries to prepare some shots... [09:39] hrm, we shold talk to tonio about that [09:39] I changed it for feisty [09:39] ah [09:39] maybe he included that already [09:39] I changed it so it would look better with polyester [09:39] nice :) === Jucato can't wait to upgrade to feisty :) [09:39] we still need to tweak it probably [09:40] with kwwii at the help, how can we go artistically wrong? (is there such a word? :P) [09:41] ;-) === praetor [n=praetor@124-168-66-82.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === praetor [n=praetor@124-168-66-82.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F0061.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:00] ping Lure === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === OdyX [n=Didier@tsf-wpa-1-170.epfl.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:09] my top non-artistic gripes about the ubuntus are the lack of preinstalled Java, and the fact that if you hit "ESC" it won't let you see the boot process in verbose mode [10:09] and also the fact that it's a pain to modify it so that you can run as root (which is actually useful for certain things IMO) [10:10] #1 was due to previous license issues, #2 is due to USplash... [10:10] I take it that since Java is being GPLed, #1 will be addressed? === Jucato doesn't like usplash that much either... but it's hell to install some other splash engine [10:10] although hadn't Java been CDDL'ed previously? [10:10] wgw__: hm.. not installed by default probably... dunno [10:11] that's annoying, since Java is a really useful tool to enable cross platform computing [10:11] and I still don't have it properly configured [10:11] but alas [10:11] Ubuntu makes up for it in other areas [10:11] not everybody needs to use Java... [10:11] I see the Ubuntus, more than any other distros, being the distro that pushes Linux out to the consumer and education markets === praetor [n=praetor@124-168-66-82.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #kubuntu-devel === shnee_ [n=CurtyD13@cblmdm72-241-107-50.buckeyecom.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@67-22-97-187.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === chavo [n=chavo@67-22-97-187.atlsfl.adelphia.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:30] yuriy: pong [10:31] Lure: it doesn't crash without software-properties though, right? [10:31] yuriy: no, it properly reports that adept is probably not installed. [10:31] yuriy: this is why I marked that bug as "Fix Committed" [10:32] ok, just wanted to make sure. is software-properties-kde going to be part of adept? [10:32] yuriy: I do not think so - probably update-manager [10:32] Riddell: ^^^ === \sh_away is now known as \sh === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-52148.0x535a54ca.naenxx10.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:41] <_StefanS_> hi === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:45] hi [10:46] <_StefanS_> I will work on that logout dialog a little later, but just have some regular work to attend to === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:47] <_StefanS_> btw, the windeco you were considering (polyester) have a 1 pixel area around the window when they are maximized, that won't allow you just move the mouse all the way to the upper right to close the window. [10:47] <_StefanS_> thats a usuability issue to me [10:52] Tonio_: hi - got my e-mail [10:52] Lure: hum let me look [10:53] Lure: are the archives frozen ? [10:53] _StefanS_: windeco will still be Crystal. it's the widget style that's changing to polyester [10:53] Tonio_: no [10:53] <_StefanS_> oh :) [10:53] Lure: we isn't kdepim built ? [10:53] Tonio_: FF is on Wed/Thu [10:53] Lure: I uploaded it on friday.... [10:53] Tonio_: you uploaded it? === _StefanS_ gets all confused about the windeco's and styles again... time to sleep [10:53] Lure: yes [10:53] Tonio_: did not come to feisty-changes [10:54] OK: kdepim_3.5.6-0ubuntu3.diff.gz [10:54] This upload awaits approval by a distro manager [10:54] friday [10:54] 3PM [10:54] Tonio_: ask on #ubuntu-devel, but there were plenty of uploads today [10:55] Tonio_: can you send me kopete patch - I can work on MSN and Jabber versions then tonight [10:55] Lure: there is no patch for kopete [10:56] Tonio_: I thought you mentioned grouowise or something? [10:56] Lure: look how the "groupware" plugin works and get the status [10:56] that's the way to do it [10:56] groupwise yes, sorry [10:56] Tonio_: groupwise is in kdepim or kopete/kdenetwork? [10:57] Lure: Tonio_: only groupwise is adapted to work with networkstatus in kopete. see how groupwiseaccount inherits from managedconnectionaccount? [10:57] from the suse guy that did this for groupwise [10:57] Lure: that's in kopete [10:57] Tonio_: thanks, will check this and prepare patches [10:58] Lure: Tonio_: looks like Tollef forgot to let the contents of the queue through after unfreezing feisty [10:58] hehe [10:58] Lure: I'll had the kmail export patch today too [10:58] Tonio_: ok, great - so it will be through soon [10:58] yup [10:58] Tonio_: did the patch work? [10:59] Tonio_: why do we need it? it sounded to me like a feature to be included in upstream first [10:59] i tested it and seemed to work fine [10:59] praetor: the networkstatus patch ? [10:59] Tonio_: the kmail one I wrote [10:59] praetor: ah the export one ? I need to test [10:59] it naturally doesnt work with imap though [10:59] okay [11:01] Lure: I'm adding your kdeutils patch [11:01] Tonio_: ok, thanks. [11:02] Tonio_: we also need new kde-guidance snapshot to make it work [11:02] yes I will too [11:02] Tonio_: yuriy already fixed wineconfig in svn to at least give you error message [11:02] Tonio_: not sure when mhb will be able to commit grubconfig module [11:02] fantastic ;) [11:03] Tonio_: and not clear if we should put wineconfig in separate kde-guidance-wine and only recommend it [11:03] Tonio_: maybe some hard core Linux users will hate to not be able to remove wineconfig from their system [11:04] hum.... needs to be discussed [11:04] Lure: hardcore users do not use kubuntu :) [11:04] they use slackware === _StefanS_ thinks so too [11:04] Tonio_: ;-) [11:05] Lure: seriously I don't mind what supergeeks think and want, they already have the choice with other distros :) [11:05] Tonio_: even I want to get rid of all Windows dependacies (even though that I need MS Office still) [11:05] my concern is my mother and newbies [11:05] Tonio_: yep, but -powermanager was the same concern - people want more flexibility on what they can remove === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:06] Lure: which branch for guidance ? I don't remember ;) [11:07] Lure: well powermanager is different in my opinion cause people might want to use something that work ontheir config [11:07] Tonio_: it is on trunk: /trunk/playground/base/guidance [11:07] Lure: thanks ;) [11:08] Tonio_: it is probably for Riddell to decide what is better - separate package or not - I am leaning towards separate (and only recomend it from kubuntu-meta), but it is not my call to decide === Lure has to run - bbl [11:09] sure, well we'll ask him, but I think I would let it in === _StefanS_ is glad that guidance finally respects the screensaver settings and not just sets it to 5 hours [11:09] Lure: new phrases in guidance ? (sync the po files is a pain so...) ;) === guglielf [n=guglielf@unaffiliated/guglielf] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:16] Tonio_: Riddell was against making it a separate package [11:16] though i don't even think it should be included by default [11:16] yuriy: okay ;) [11:16] that's my feeling too [11:17] Lure: I'll write a script to get the po files for guidance..... too painfull to do it currently === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #kubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@193.170.48.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:53] Lure: guidance uploaded === sahin_w [i=kvirc@nat/hp/x-e005d1a34793eb59] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:08] Tonio_: thanks [12:09] Tonio_: I thought that you use some script to get .po files - this is why I never packaged it myself ;-) [12:10] yuriy: software-properties will be a separate package [12:10] Lure: I lost the script, but I just rewrote it :) [12:10] Lure: pitty than svn2dist doesn't work.... [12:10] Tonio_: I would expect kde has script like that somewher in repo's [12:10] morning Riddell [12:10] Tonio_: how do they do other tar-ball releases? [12:11] Lure: with svn2dist [12:11] Riddell: do you knwo about such script ^^^ [12:11] Lure: but that doesn't work with python apps.... [12:12] yeah, you need svn2dist to get the .po files out [12:15] Riddell: except it doesn't work with guidance ^^ [12:15] it can be made to work, with a bit of persuasion [12:16] Riddell: sure, but well a little bash script does better job :) [12:17] Riddell: I'll add the kmail export patch today [12:17] Riddell: how about adept, do you want me to include the patches sent to kubuntu-devel ? [12:17] Tonio_: I'll do adept today [12:17] Riddell: okay :) [12:17] along with dist upgrade for edgy [12:18] Riddell: I'll try to fix the kcontrol issue today, but I've looked over the net, doesn't seem like an easy job... [12:19] which issue? [12:19] it works perfect for me [12:20] Riddell: kcontrol empty [12:21] Riddell: works on herd3 ? [12:21] yep [12:21] hum [12:21] from the live CD it's all good [12:21] Riddell: still broken here, and reported by lots of people [12:21] what do you have in /etc/xdg/menus/ ? [12:21] Riddell: I have applications-merged and kde-applications-merged [12:22] that's the point, everything is correct [12:22] err, nothing else? [12:22] Riddell: [12:22] applications.menu gnome-screensavers.menu kde-applications-merged kde-screensavers.menu preferences.menu system-settings.menu [12:22] applications-merged kde-applications.menu kde-information.menu kde-settings.menu settings.menu [12:22] that's the full list [12:22] what's in kde-applications-merged ? [12:23] Riddell: kde-essential.menu kde-essential.menu.dpkg-new system-settings-merge.menu [12:25] what's in kde-essential.menu and kde-essential.menu.dpkg-new ? [12:27] Riddell: kde-essential.menu.dpkg-new is a file [12:27] ls kde-essential.menu [12:27] kde-essential.menu [12:28] <_StefanS_> by the way, wasn't the "Settings" menu supposed to be visible in feisty ? [12:29] _StefanS_: no [12:29] Riddell: I already checked all of this.... [12:29] Riddell: can you give me a tar file of your /etc/xdg [12:29] Riddell: I test and compare to check where is the problem === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:30] Riddell: looks like an upgrade broke something, matter of dpkg-reconfigure a package probably as it works on a new installation [12:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok, I just thought you said some days ago [12:31] Riddell: I'm trying to purge and reinstall kdebase-data [12:31] that can do the trick [12:32] Tonio_: kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/menus.tar.gz [12:32] Riddell: thanks :) === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:34] Riddell: apt-get remove --purge kdebase-data && apt-get install kubuntu-desktop fixed the issue [12:34] maybe dpkg-reconfigure kdebase-data is enough though... === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:35] Riddell: okay I'll post the fix on launchpad.... that needs testing in an edgy -> feisty upgrade too [12:35] oh, lots of edgy to feisty upgrade testing to come :) [12:36] hehe === Hobbsee cries [12:37] hey all [12:37] okay new kicker design in kds, let's go ! [12:37] Tonio_: oh? [12:37] Riddell: I'll push kwwii's polyester.rc too [12:38] Tonio_: please tell me why you murdered the kopete interface :( [12:38] Hobbsee: this is a test [12:38] Tonio_: you should add polyester to the seeds as well then [12:39] Hobbsee: don't you like it ? [12:39] Riddell: yes that's the plan :) [12:39] Tonio_: it's growing on me... i like the colour and style - but it's far too long [12:39] Hobbsee: ah... [12:39] ie, seeing too few contacts in the same screen size [12:39] Hobbsee: I can improve that [12:39] cool :) === Hobbsee wishes we can change those blue faces === Hobbsee liked the pretty smiley faces for online, instead of the blue heads [12:41] Tonio_: ^ feature request === yuriy wants aim icons instead of faces [12:41] yuriy: oh? what do they look like? [12:42] or even gaim icons [12:42] Hobbsee: hard to do unfortunately [12:42] Tonio_: how so? [12:42] Hobbsee: that's requires coding as far as I know [12:42] Tonio_: presumably or replacing the image file. [12:43] Hobbsee: the little guy in the aim logo. you can see it in kopete if you go to new account. [12:43] Hobbsee: maybe yes.... well at the moment I'll work on that contact list ;) [12:43] yuriy: ahhh. === Hobbsee might look into it, if she has time [12:44] yaaawn. procrastination is bad for you [12:44] hehe === Hobbsee is visiting a friend in hospital every day or so, + working. not so much time [12:44] (almost 7am here) [12:44] Procrastination isn't bad for you. It's a way of life. [12:45] heh of course [12:46] hmm, no word from imbrandon about amarok packages [12:46] Hobbsee: for kopete if you want standard contact list, just remove the /usr/share/apps/kopete/images/ in appearance, contact [12:47] Riddell: they're in the archive. [12:47] ScottK: indeed! [12:47] Riddell: there's a new patch out tonight though. someone will have to add it in. [12:49] fabo: i wonder why the betas of basket were never uploaded on the main page... [12:50] at least since staying up all night "working" is playing around with blender i can barely complain [12:50] http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture14.png [12:50] Hobbsee: is that better for you ? [12:50] Tonio_: brilliant :D [12:50] much better :) [12:50] Hobbsee: let's go with this :) [12:51] :D [12:51] Riddell: amarok is released [12:51] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm trying right now to determine if the settings have anything to do with the slowdown at logout. [12:52] all: please review https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuApps - please add if you think some flagship app is missing [12:52] <_StefanS_> Riddell: if not, I'm going to look at the image/gray out stuff. [12:53] _StefanS_: it's working pretty well for me [12:54] I could just upload it and see if people start complaining :) [12:54] Riddell: argh ! [12:54] Riddell: /home/tonio/.qt/polyesterstylerc [12:54] goes in .qt cannot be merged with kds settings.... [12:54] Riddell: I'll have to patch the startkde, crappy [12:55] Tonio_: sure it can, lipstikstylerc was in k-d-s [12:55] install to /etc/qt3/ [12:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: oh ? no noticably slowdown after you select "Logout" from kmenu ? [12:55] Riddell: hum good indea indeed [12:55] _StefanS_: not on this machine [12:56] <_StefanS_> Riddell: Great [12:56] KOffice is not going to be default is it? [12:56] praetor: not except krita and kexi [12:56] ok good [12:56] i don't think its up to par with OO atm [12:56] that's what we concluded [12:56] Riddell: ho kds already has a qt-rc-files folder.... I never noticed this, shame on me :) === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_at_home [n=jack@222.131.249.214] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fabo [i=Arme-X@dra38-2-82-233-106-22.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:32] why is my ark context menu in french... [01:32] Riddell: I can't find how kde sets the number of desktops via the minipager [01:32] Riddell: any idea where is that setting ? [01:33] kdesktoprc? [01:34] copy your ~/.kde/share and change it and take the diff [01:34] Riddell: hehe, done it of course, but nothing changes there [01:34] looks external to .kde [01:35] I thought it might be writtent at logout, but no [01:35] can't be [01:35] I can't find where is the change.... [01:36] hmm, transparent desktop pager looks quite nice [01:37] Riddell: what's this ? [01:38] Riddell: hum do you know any way to check for the filesystem for any file changed ? [01:38] I don't know how to do that with linux [01:38] easy on windows.... [01:38] don't know of any wkay [01:39] right transparent is nice :) [01:40] curious, the desktop number isn't set anywhere [01:41] no..... I can't understand this [01:42] Riddell: I have the transparent setting [01:44] Tonio_: find -newer is your friend [01:45] Lure: that checks new files right, not modified files ? [01:45] Tonio_: that checks for files changed newer than specified file [01:45] -mtime ? [01:45] Riddell: mtime is in days [01:46] Tonio_: just do "touch somefile", do the stuff, "find / -never somefile" [01:46] -anewer should help [01:46] :q! [01:46] oups :) [01:48] vi user! [01:48] Riddell: of course, should I use nano ? ;) [01:48] everyone knows all Kubuntu developers user emacs [01:49] I'm not a coder, so just for text files, emacs is a bit.... too much :) === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:51] Riddell: rubbish! [01:51] Riddell: and for unix sysadmins, vi is THE tool, since it is the only one you are sure to find when you are in trouble ;) [01:51] yay, vi!!! === ubijtsa2 [i=ubijtsa@nat/redhat/x-3bb300e97fc2c71f] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === apokryphos cheers [01:51] Riddell: you're outnumbered. === Riddell removes vim-tiny from the kubuntu seeds out of disgust [01:51] Tonio_: except for the crappy versoin distributed with ubuntu now [01:51] yay kate! *gulp* [01:52] Hobbsee: vim-tiny ? it is nice ! === Riddell hugs yuriy and kate [01:52] Riddell: Tonio_ will add vim proper if you do that. [01:52] Tonio_: i dont like it's mode :( [01:52] havent figured out how to easily change it, either [01:52] yuriy: yes, yay kate, nice syntax highlighting :) [01:52]