[07:48] <nysosym> hi there
[07:49] <coz_> hello
[07:49] <nysosym> hi coz_, how are u?
[07:49] <coz_> nysosym, i am fine how about yourself:)
[07:50] <nysosym> i'm fine to :D
[07:50] <nysosym> do u have any problem, where i can help u? :D
[07:51] <coz_> nysosym, no thanks just come in to see if there is a conversation going on
[07:51] <nysosym> hehe yes :D
[07:56] <nysosym> brb
[07:56] <coz_> ok
[07:59] <darkmatter> hiya nysosym
[07:59] <nysosym> hi darkmatter :D
[07:59] <nysosym> whats going on? :D
[08:00] <darkmatter> working on the "live mockup" of Glory (with the MorningGlory colorscheme)... sooner I finalize everything... the sooner I can start on the engine code
[08:00] <nysosym> darkmatter: nice, can is see them?
[08:01] <darkmatter> well... the current "release" is kinda shoddy (imho) but people were pestering me for it
[08:01] <darkmatter> one sec
[08:02] <darkmatter> I'll linky
[08:02] <darkmatter> nysosym, http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=52050
[08:03] <darkmatter> noe... the windeco is not the themes... I'll hopefully start on the proper decorations later today... I'vealready changed the text entries, lines, and shadows/frames from what is seen there
[08:04] <darkmatter> atm... I'm working on the new tabs n range n scroll n progress
[08:04] <darkmatter> then I'll probably ignore the buttons for the moment and tackle the panel
[08:04] <darkmatter> *now... not noe
[08:04] <darkmatter> :P
[08:05] <nysosym> very nice, i use it now :D
[08:05] <darkmatter> lol
[08:05] <darkmatter> thank you
[08:05] <coz_> darkmatter, pestering you? what kind of moron would do that ?? :)
[08:05] <darkmatter> lol
[08:06] <darkmatter> coz_ tsmithe n PingunZ... thats what kind of moron xD
[08:06] <darkmatter> j/k
[08:06] <darkmatter> boy.. I can be soo mean sometimes
[08:06] <coz_> darkmatter, oh I thought you were coing to say coz_
[08:06] <coz_> :)
[08:06] <darkmatter> yeah... him too
[08:06] <coz_> darkmatter, damn that guy what the hell is his poblem ??
[08:06] <coz_> lol
[08:07] <darkmatter> dunno.... maybe you should ask him;)
[08:07] <coz_> darkmatter, probebly the same problems that darkmatter matter guy has :)
[08:07] <darkmatter> hehe
[08:08] <darkmatter> yo' coz_ wrong channel n all... but is emerald behaving with the svn on your end?
[08:08] <coz_> darkmatter, in all seriousness i am reall glad youare doing this, it is nice an am looking forward to the finished product
[08:09] <darkmatter> thnx
[08:09] <darkmatter> :)
[08:09] <coz_> darkmatter, so far it is why what is going on with yours
[08:09] <nysosym> darkmatter: i didn't has the time to make a complete mockup, but i have improved some dialoges. Would u see them?
[08:09] <darkmatter> the engine will be some major work... but it should be worth it
[08:09] <darkmatter> coz_ graphicall bugs
[08:09] <coz_> darkmatter, nvidia?
[08:10] <darkmatter> button states "sticking" with some themes
[08:10] <darkmatter> yup
[08:10] <darkmatter> nysosym, sure
[08:10] <darkmatter> linky
[08:10] <coz_> darkmatter,  may be nvidia bug in driver having problems witht hat
[08:10] <coz_> ok guys i am taking a break be back later i guess darkmatter talk later :)
[08:10] <nysosym> new copy dialog: http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newfilecopydialogkw8.png
[08:11] <darkmatter> nysosym, looks good :)
[08:11] <nysosym> new replace dialog: http://img501.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newreplacedialogss5.png
[08:11] <darkmatter> :)
[08:11] <nysosym> darkmatter: that's only some improvements, that i do in a few minutes ^^
[08:11] <darkmatter> :)
[08:12] <darkmatter> looks great except for that inhumane human theme :P
[08:12] <nysosym> ^^
[08:12] <nysosym> yes, i know :D
[08:13] <darkmatter> seriously.... they just butchered the ui n fried several thousand retinas with that thing
[08:13] <darkmatter> my poor eyes are still recovering
[08:13] <darkmatter> ;)
[08:14] <darkmatter> thats one area where ubuntu is seriously lacking... the gfx department
[08:16] <nysosym> darkmatter: yes, that's true, but the a stable and fast system, has a higher priority as new icon or something like that ^^
[08:16] <kwwii> I question what is so bad about the human theme?
[08:18] <nysosym> kwwii: the buttons are toooo big, the gloss (i think we have seen enough gloss (apple, windows ect.)), something like that
[08:18] <darkmatter> nysosym, true... but they really are unrelated issues. Ubuntu just needs a more... hmmm.... I guess a more 'dedicated' art team.... *shrug*
[08:19] <kwwii> nysosym: I agree that the gloss thing is getting old slowly, but at the moment, we have nothing better
[08:19] <kwwii> and now we do kinda have a dedicated art team
[08:19] <kwwii> *me*
[08:19] <nysosym> kwwii: semi gloss is a nice thing, but difficult to render
[08:19] <kwwii> :-)
[08:20] <kwwii> even if you use semi-gloss people will see it as glossy
[08:20] <kwwii> just not as glossy as before
[08:21] <nysosym> hmm there are difference between semi gloss and semi gloss, important is the crown
[08:21] <darkmatter> kwwii, its not balanced... the theme needs to be glossed down a bit (have the widgets at least look better against the flat bg... also needs to make better use of the available palette... the charamely, peachy, and bright orange dont really mix well
[08:22] <darkmatter> makes it seem... welll... not meaning to insult anyone... but human looks gaudy and unprofessional
[08:22] <kwwii> darkmatter: yes, we could improve on things, that is true
[08:23] <nysosym> darkmatter: i don't think so, the human style, looks professional, but there some little issues to make them perfect.
[08:23] <kwwii> I think that after the problems in edgy with artwork one of the most important things now is to enable the theme-teams to do their work so that perhaps one day in the future we can move forward with new stuff
[08:24] <darkmatter> nysosym, I mean the overall feel it provides... the themes fine otherwise... a bit plastic for my tastes... but the actual designs ok
[08:25] <darkmatter> but most see the interface a whole... they dont go... "ooooo... those grippers look nice" ;)
[08:25] <darkmatter> but all in all human is good
[08:25] <darkmatter> just need polishing
[08:25] <darkmatter> *s
[08:26] <kwwii> actually, the scrollbars handles is one of the things I like most
[08:26] <darkmatter> kwwii, yes... the handles are well done
[08:26] <kwwii> but the window decoration looks a bit old
[08:27] <darkmatter> well... it is only a modded clearlooks2.. so yeah.... its been done
[08:32] <nysosym> some ideas in a few minutes: http://img525.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zeichnungwn7.png
[08:33] <nysosym> what do u think darkmatter :D
[08:33] <kwwii> nysosym: I dig the circular desktop tool...great idea
[08:34] <nysosym> thx :D
[08:34] <darkmatter> nysosym, radial navigation rocks... good job
[08:34] <kwwii> I did some work on ideas like this (new file interaction methods) but didn't think of using a circle like that
[08:34] <nysosym> i know there are a lot improvements
[08:35] <BHSPitMonkey> "prgrams. automaicly sorted in cathegorys."
[08:35] <BHSPitMonkey> :D
[08:35] <nysosym> and darkmatter, this would be compatible with the multitpuch screen :D
[08:35] <BHSPitMonkey> reminds me of the tims
[08:35] <BHSPitMonkey> and the Sims
[08:36] <nysosym> BHSPit, yes, sorry i made these in a few minuts
[08:36] <BHSPitMonkey> yeah
[08:36] <nysosym> i improve that, mom ^^
[08:37] <BHSPitMonkey> I hate when people use that term.
[08:37] <BHSPitMonkey> Because I never process it the way it's intended to be processed.
[08:38] <nysosym> ok, than i remove that word, sry english isn't my primary language ^^
[08:38] <BHSPitMonkey> no worries
[08:38] <BHSPitMonkey> I can only imagine the day when computers are just multi-touch displays, and the mouse/keyboard are obsolete
[08:39] <BHSPitMonkey> I like the mouse and all... but it's just primitive at this point ^^
[08:39] <nysosym> BHSPitMonkey: i think in 5 years are multitouch screen standard :D
[08:39] <darkmatter> ubuntu-LCARS ;)
[08:39] <BHSPitMonkey> it makes my mouth water...
[08:39] <nysosym> BHSPitMonkey: yes, that's truly amazing! :D
[08:39] <BHSPitMonkey> lol
[08:40] <BHSPitMonkey> darkmatter, that should be a shell for linux
[08:40] <darkmatter> yes
[08:41] <kwwii> I actually used the lcars enlightement theme 8 years ago
[08:45] <nysosym> kwwii: sure, but today we have much faster pc's we can make many more nice effects with them :D
[08:47] <BHSPitMonkey> that wasn't the point, nysosym :P
[08:47] <BHSPitMonkey> it was minimalistic
[08:47] <nysosym> BHSPitMonkey: sure, but when i see these, i think it's very inconsistent :D http://themes.freshmeat.net/screenshots/21679/23065/
[08:50] <BHSPitMonkey> lol
[08:54] <kwwii> nysosym: true
[08:54] <kwwii> now you just need an lcars icon theme
[08:54] <kwwii> make one and then call it an accesability theme ;-)
[08:55] <nysosym> yes ^^
[09:38] <nysosym> re
[09:48] <darkmatter> hmmm.... the nimbus icons r pretty
[09:48] <darkmatter> hehe
[09:49] <nysosym> nimbus?
[09:50] <darkmatter> solaris nevada b56 icons
[09:50] <darkmatter> from solaris's new default theme
[09:50] <darkmatter> I'm testing them on ubuntu :O
[09:52] <darkmatter> not all ar playing nice though... so futzing arownd with the theme to get it to comply
[09:53] <nysosym> ahh cool :D
[09:55] <darkmatter> its using older metaphors... just some renaming methinks
[10:00] <nysosym> hehe ^^
[10:02] <nysosym> i like the icons from the oxygene icons at most. Simply and not so glossy :D
[10:03] <kwwii> ;-)
[10:03] <kwwii> thanks
[10:03] <nysosym> kwwii: u are the developer of oxygen? O.o
[10:04] <kwwii> nysosym: yepp
[10:04] <kwwii> one of three core artists
[10:04] <nysosym> kwwii: amazing, nice to meet u :D
[10:06] <nysosym> but, there is one thing, it would be nice, to have specific mimetype icons for example a text like "mpg" inside the movie clap. :D
[10:08] <kwwii> two things have held us back from that so far:
[10:09] <kwwii> not sure if a normal user really cares, as long as it plays when they click
[10:09] <kwwii> and including text in icons is a major no-no
[10:09] <kwwii> not to mention that there are soo many icons to finish ;-)
[10:10] <nysosym> kwwii: sure, but text in icons work in osx :D
[10:10] <kwwii> I think that in some icons there is no way around it
[10:12] <nysosym> ok, anyway i love them :D
[10:13] <nysosym> which program do u use to create them?
[10:14] <kwwii> inkscape
[10:15] <kwwii> and sometimes illustrator
[10:17] <nysosym> well, one more question, how many icons are completed? Or is that a proprietary information ;)
[10:19] <kwwii> the icons are in svn :-)
[10:19] <kwwii> about 700 I guess
[10:19] <kwwii> we are putting them in kdelibs soon
[10:21] <nysosym> kwwii: wow, i see them on svn :D
[10:23] <nysosym> i should switch to kde ^^
[10:25] <kwwii> lol
[10:26] <darkmatter> mwahaha.... got nimbus working
[10:26] <darkmatter> the gtk is way to plasticky though
[10:27] <nysosym> kwwii: u are a german :)
[10:27] <nysosym> my primary language ^^
[10:28] <kwwii> nysosym: actually, I am not a german
[10:28] <kwwii> I only play one on tv
[10:28] <kwwii> I have lived in germany for 11 years though
[10:28] <elkbuntu> howdy kwwii :)
[10:28] <kwwii> howdy elkbuntu
[10:29] <darkmatter> hmm... the gtk engine is kinda buggy with newer stuff like the slab too
[10:29] <nysosym> kwwii: ok, where are u born? :)
[10:30] <darkmatter> nysosym, wanna fall over laughing???
[10:31] <nysosym> darkmatter: why?
[10:31] <darkmatter> one sec... sreenie comming
[10:31] <nysosym> ok :D
[10:32] <kwwii> nysosym: usa
[10:32] <nysosym> ahh very cool, i love san francisco :D
[10:33] <darkmatter> http://img363.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshotwo2.png <---- solbuntu
[10:33] <darkmatter> eek!!!
[10:33] <darkmatter> thats a scary gtk theme
[10:33] <darkmatter> :P
[10:34] <darkmatter> hiya klepas
[10:34] <darkmatter> nysosym, you do not want to see what xchat looks like with that theme
[10:34] <nysosym> darkmatter: rofl :D
[10:34] <darkmatter> *shudders
[10:35] <nysosym> darkmatter: sure sure :D
[10:35] <darkmatter> the icons are kinda nice though
[10:36] <darkmatter> nysosym, http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=screenshot1lu1.png
[10:36] <darkmatter> terrifyingly busy
[10:36] <darkmatter> o_o
[10:36] <darkmatter> ...
[10:37] <nysosym> darkmatter: ohh god, there doesn't match anything O.o...
[10:38] <darkmatter> yeah... I know
[10:38] <darkmatter> I just wanted to se what it looked like and errr... it looks better in the opensolaris screenshots
[10:40] <darkmatter> nysosym, it looks like a throwback from gtk+1
[10:40] <nysosym> yes ^^
[10:40] <darkmatter> circa 1999 xD
[10:40] <darkmatter> but its cairo apparently
[10:40] <darkmatter> eep
[10:41] <darkmatter> I guess I wont dual boot nevada ;)
[10:41] <nysosym> hehe :D
[10:47] <nysosym> hi andreasn
[10:47] <andreasn> hey nysosym
[10:47] <nysosym> how are u? :D
[10:51] <andreasn> just fine, overslept a bit, so I'm going to get some breakfast before I start working
[10:51] <andreasn> but other than that, everything is cool
[10:51] <andreasn> what about you?
[10:54] <nysosym> andreasn: just the same like u :D
[10:58] <darkmatter> nysosym, I'm going to see how long I can use this theme before my brain melts :P
[11:00] <nysosym> darkmatter: have fun :D
[11:00] <nysosym> i stop the time
[11:47] <nysosym> i was a little bit bored and have created my idea with "real" windows :D
[11:47] <nysosym> http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?image=zeichnungwn5.png
[03:47] <sfllaw> Hello.
[03:48] <sfllaw> Is the GDM theme for Ubuntu changing for Feisty?
[03:50] <kwwii> sfllaw: not very much
[03:50] <kwwii> sfllaw: probably only minor artwork updates
[03:51] <sfllaw> kwwii: So the Edgy one will look modern?
[03:52] <kwwii> hehe, yeah, something like that
[03:52] <kwwii> it will probably get a slightly different logo I guess
[03:53] <sfllaw> Is there one already done up?
[03:54] <sfllaw> A mockup is fine, as I need a photograph of a laptop running 7.04.
[03:55] <kwwii> erm, not quite yet
[03:55] <kwwii> still working on a new logo
[03:55] <sfllaw> Ah.
[03:55] <sfllaw> Well, then I suppose we'll have to do with the old one.
[03:55] <sfllaw> Thanks.
[03:55] <kwwii> sorry I couldn't help more
[03:56] <sfllaw> No worries.
[03:56] <kwwii> when do you need it by?
[03:56] <kwwii> I might have a mockup done in a day or two
[03:58] <sfllaw> End of the week, for CJA.
[03:58] <sfllaw> But would it be different enough to be seen from far away?
[04:03] <kwwii> no, not really that different
[04:03] <sfllaw> Good.
[04:03] <sfllaw> Thanks!
[04:04] <troy_s> For the love of god kwwii -- round the fecking entry box area with a svg
[04:04] <troy_s> We had that in edgy, and for some reason it left again
[04:10] <kwwii> hehe
[04:10] <kwwii> well, playing with xml files for gdm is probably further down on my list of things to do in the next few weeks
[08:25] <nysosym> good evening :)
[09:41] <troy_s> floral grunge
[12:10] <coz_> evening all
[12:10] <vdepizzol> hello
[12:10] <coz_> vdepizzol, hey
[12:11] <vdepizzol> I'm creating a new layout for ubuntu-brazil website. Any suggestion? http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1219/ubuntuhomejn0.png
[12:11] <coz_> nice colors