=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === null_ [n=null@g624-9034.itee.uq.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tmh__ [n=tmh_@tonih.iki.fi] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jeffou [n=jeff@ip216-239-73-146.vif.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:14] thom: are you going to fosdem? :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-devel === poningru_ [n=poningru@adsl-074-245-140-197.sip.gnv.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] hi, when will be a kernel based on 2.6.20 final? [02:02] Soon [02:02] you should check for working nvidia drivers... there was a change since rc6 [02:03] The most recent kernel is post-rc6 anyway [02:04] but not final? [02:04] mjg59: when the latest patch_sigmatel changes are merged, feedback from testing on your Intel Mac would be appreciated [02:04] why dont you use only libata? [02:04] crimsun: Don't have one right at the moment, but when I do again I will do [02:04] crimsun: cjwatson has the one I used to have [02:04] mjg59: ah ok, many thanks [02:05] Kano: Because not all libata drivers are complete [02:14] which aren't? === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable096.205-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:17] isnt it a bit stupid to have both the same time [02:17] piix 0x00008086 0x0000245b [02:17] ata_piix 0x00008086 0x0000245b [02:18] both for same hardware === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:29] with that there are 229 pci ids with more than one driver [02:29] grep drivers/ata modules.dep |sed -r 's/.*\/(.*)\.ko:.*/-e \1/'|sort -u|xargs grep modules.pcimap|awk '{print $2" "$3" "$4" "$5" "$6" "$7" "$8}'|sort -d|wc -l [02:29] 229 [02:32] or 31 modules which share pci ids [02:33] grep drivers/ata modules.dep |sed -r 's/.*\/(.*)\.ko:.*/-e \1/'|sort -u|xargs grep modules.pcimap|awk '{print $2" "$3" "$4" "$5" "$6" "$7" "$8}'|sort -d|sed -r 's/(.*)/-e "\1"/'|xargs grep modules.pcimap|cut -f1 -d' '|sort -u|wc -l [02:34] do you really think thats usefull [02:35] of course they share ids. they both support the same hardware. [02:35] but they could not work the same time [02:35] so? [02:35] only one of em [02:36] maybe better find pci ids which are only supported by old ide [02:45] grep drivers/ide modules.dep|sed -r 's/.*\/(.*)\.ko:.*/-e "^\1 "/'|sort -u|xargs grep modules.pcimap|awk '{print $2" "$3" "$4" "$5" "$6" "$7" "$8}'|sed -r 's/(.*)/-e "\1"/'|xargs grep modules.pcimap|awk '{print $2" "$3" "$4" "$5" "$6" "$7" "$8}'|sort|uniq -u|sed -r 's/(.*)/-e "\1"/'|xargs grep modules.pcimap|sort -u|wc -l [02:45] 71 [02:46] uniq ids only for old driver, but these could be matched by generic patterns maybe too [02:49] which are preffered? [02:49] in case of dups === xhaker [n=xhaker@a213-22-28-177.cpe.netcabo.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:54] any special probing sequence? [02:54] crimsun, noticed your upload of alsa-lib, and I have something I feel you're the one to ask. [02:54] crimsun, what alsa version for the final feisty release? === xhaker is one of those using acer + alc883 [03:01] xhaker: which part of alsa are you asking about? 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[10:14] mvo_: Riddell: I several issues in software-properties and python-apt. would be nice if you you upload them mvo_ [10:15] glatzor: merging python-apt now [10:15] mvo_: the update-manager separation branch is also up-to-date === concept10 [n=concept1@ppp-70-251-155-119.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] [10:16] glatzor: I will merge that one next and upload them === jsgotangco [i=3a47330c@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:17] mvo_: thanks a lot === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-59-77.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@242-98.dial.nortenet.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:18] glatzor: cheers! thanks for working on the branch! [10:19] mvo_: software-properties currently has got some waiting_for_implementation issues regarding the mirror support (if you choose a mirror from the chooser it won't be used). but i haven't had the time to fix it. I think that is more important to get the KDE stuff in [10:20] mvo_: perhaps I find the time to the this on my today's train ride :) [10:20] to do this [10:20] mvo_, glatzor hi [10:20] hey jsgotangco! [10:20] how is the german g-a-i connection hehe [10:21] glatzor: agreed [10:21] mvo_: jsgotangco: i have to prepare for work. [10:21] glatzor: ok, see you later! [10:23] ok later === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Kagou [n=Kagou@88.140.37.149] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:40] Riddell: I am going to split show_distro in init_distro and show_distro soon === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TerminX [i=675e0f08@adsl-68-122-3-132.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [i=3a47330c@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:47] ogra_, *ping* please pm me when you're around. thanks === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-16-211.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-16-211.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:54] crimsun: happy to help test patch_sigmatel if you tell me what it is and how I can test it ;-) [10:55] hi, I uploaded kdepim on friday afternoon, upload is still in the queue, is there a reason for this ? === pochu [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:57] Tonio_: looks like Tollef forgot to let the contents of the queue through after unfreezing feisty [10:57] Tonio_: I've done it now [10:58] cjwatson: hehe, okay ;), that can happen :) === webben [n=benjamin@82.153.214.13] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@vpn-nat.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:59] Does anyone know if there are any statistics available on which packages are downloaded from the Ubuntu (or Debian or indeed any) repository? === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] I'd be interested to find out how many downloads there are of some of the alternative browsers and Emacspeak. [11:04] webben: the closest thing we have is poopcon.ubuntu.com [11:05] mvo_, thanks :) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:09] um, i believe he means popcon.ubuntu.com [11:10] not sure i want to know if the former even exists [11:11] is feisty frozen wrt new translatable strings already? [11:11] cjwatson: What is the absolute latest that something can be seeded before ff? [11:11] Chipzz: no [11:13] mvo_: sorry for bugging you again, but could you take a look at that patch I pointed you at a couple of days ago? IMHO, it's nice polish, and the patch is only a couple of lines really [11:13] TheMuso: Thursday [11:14] seb128: is there even such a thing as a string freeze? :) [11:14] Chipzz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule [11:15] oh, still a month away [11:15] I expected it to be sooner really ;) [11:16] feisty is still not opened on rosetta anyway [11:16] so no real point to freeze strings [11:17] carlos: how did the experiment go about rosetta + feisty? === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F43A0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:19] pitti: not as good as it should, we are still doing some tests to see how to do it faster [11:19] morning [11:19] ogra_, pitti: ping? [11:19] hi fabbione [11:19] hey pitti === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] cjwatson: Thanks. [11:20] pitti: could you be so kind to look at bug #83059? I am not sure if it's gnome-power-manager or hal that's exporting info at random [11:20] Malone bug 83059 in Ubuntu "Hibernation button only appears after second time in Feisty Herd 3" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83059 [11:20] TheMuso: (but pushing the deadline is deprecated) [11:20] fabbione: that's already fixed [11:21] i have seen it happening on powerpc too (while we were in Olso) [11:21] fabbione: could you try pinging right people about bugs? [11:21] fabbione: ogra is maintaining that package [11:21] seb128: he did [11:21] seb128: i did ping both ogra and pitti... [11:21] seb128: good morning, btw *hug* [11:21] seb128: because i was not sure what the fault was [11:21] hey pitti :) [11:21] seb128: and i was asking for information.. [11:21] cjwatson: I understand that the sooner the better is preferable. Just wondering as espeak is approved for main, but as far as I know is not seeded. At this point, I'd rather wait till Wednesday to seed it, as there is a new release due on Tuesday that I'd like to get in first. [11:21] While its still in Universe. [11:22] fabbione: did you install the update package from friday which ships the autostart desktop again? [11:22] fabbione: it looked like you were trying to get people fixing bugs you point again === seb128 hugs pitti [11:22] seb128: this bug is from hw-cert on herd-3. machines don't get upgraded. we certify the release [11:23] seb128: it would be nice if you could speak with your manager about that. [11:23] about what? [11:23] TheMuso: why does that matter, isn't that just a bug-fix release? [11:23] seb128: about me reassining bugs to people [11:23] heno: Not sure. === jinty [n=jinty@64.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] fabbione: I don't need to, I'm happy to fix support bugs, I'll not fix random bugs you point though [11:23] TheMuso: I would suggest seeding it before Feature Freeze and then address bugs afterwards [11:24] seb128: it's not a random bug.. it comes from the support center [11:24] well, then make clear the procedure [11:24] I'm in late on this conversation, but I assume that's the deadline cjwatson was referring to [11:24] seb128: could you be so kind to explain to me what is not clear? [11:25] seb128: so that we can actually fix that? [11:25] it looks like you point random bugs to random people and try to make them fix them [11:25] thom: cool :) [11:25] seb128: ok sec.. [11:25] nobody told me I was supposed to fix your bugs, so I'll no do until I'm asked to do so [11:26] The README and FAQ for popcon.ubuntu.com are both down. Are the voting figures effectively votes received /this/ week? Or are they on a longer cycle? [11:26] fabbione, thats fixed with my last upload, did you upgrade after herd3 ? [11:27] ogra_: as i said to seb128 , we don't upgrade the machines. we certify the milestone [11:28] oh, ok [11:28] well, its broken on the milestone [11:28] TheMuso: I'm with heno on this === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] o kok fine [11:29] we'll have enough madness around FF without adding this ;) [11:30] fabbione: but now we know that the milestone is broken, so would it hurt to test the fix? [11:30] cjwatson: of course we can test the fix. I was only looking for somebody to tell me where the bug was because i am not familiar with that part of distro [11:30] cjwatson: can I just request the seed change of you here, or in some other format? eSpeak seeded for the CD, Festival un-seeded [11:31] fabbione, the autostart file wasnt installed so g-p-m isnt run ... if you want to reproduce: if you start the power preferences applet g-p-m is started in the background ... if that fixes the logout screen, thats the bug [11:31] heno: festival doesn't seem to be seeded? [11:31] heno: anyway, seems like a good time for you to learn how to make seed changes yourself :) [11:31] ogra_: thanks for the details. can you please add it to the bug in LP so that cr3 can double-test [11:31] ? [11:31] heno: oh, you aren't in ubuntu-core-dev [11:31] (i can't copy paste from this machine atm) [11:31] oki [11:32] cjwatson: no, I think I've tried pushing seed changes before without luck [11:32] heno: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/germinate-output/feisty/rdepends/ALL/festival [11:33] heno: ^-- indicates that festival is in main due to dependencies, not due to being explicitly seeded [11:33] specifically the libgnome-speech3 dependency [11:34] cjwatson: dholbach has gnome-speech ready to be uploaded with a dependncy on libespeak1. [11:34] As far as I am aware when I was talking to him last. [11:35] cjwatson: so libgnome-speech3 depends on festival? [11:35] heno: Are we dropping festival completely? [11:36] right, so libgnome-speech should depend on eSpeak and recommend festival I guess [11:36] Festival should stay in Main IMO but be dropped from the CD [11:37] heno: If we are going to recommmend festival, gnome-speech's festival driver will probably ahve to be in its own package. [11:38] TheMuso: why, can you not install that driver without installing festival? [11:38] Gnome-speech can have a festival driver present and festival not be available, but I think it would make things confusing if there was a festival option there, but no speech was heard. [11:39] TheMuso: that should just be uploaded, and then espeak can be promoted [11:39] heno: yes [11:39] heno: if festival is to stay in main, it needs to be added to the supported seed. dholbach should be able to do that [11:40] ok, and we should probably remove gnopernicus from main now, It's ot much supported anymore [11:41] cjwatson: ok, I'll email dholbach with these requests === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@monga.dorianet.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra scratches his head, wondering where that alsa-plugins accepted mail come from [11:46] *comes [11:53] siretart: gxine is main and now build-depends on xulrunner, which isn't in main. I suggest you either revert your change or talk to pitti about xulrunner in main. === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] yet another firefox copy in main? only if ffox itself uses xulrunner [11:54] switch it !! === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti redirects ogra's enthusiasm towards asac [11:57] :) === elkbuntu looks purposefully at ogra. [11:59] xulrunner to main? waouh :) === seb128 runs [11:59] *g* [12:00] :) [12:00] hello :) [12:00] elkbuntu, i'm on it ... [12:00] ogra, thanks. === sahin_w [i=kvirc@nat/hp/x-e005d1a34793eb59] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:03] pitti: firefox not using xulrunner is an upstream problem, right? [12:03] Chipzz: I don't know anything about xulrunner === jamesh [n=james@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:04] Chipzz: not exactly I would say :) ... mozilla plans to switch to xulrunner for firefox 3 [12:04] hey asac! [12:05] hello pitti [12:05] asac: yes. WAY too late [12:05] slomo: ping [12:05] yes ... for feisty there will be no xulrunner [12:05] they should have switched for firefox 2 [12:05] pitti: pong [12:06] slomo: not sure whether you got my q last week: do you actually get apport reports from mono program crashes in current feisty? [12:06] slomo: whenever I kill -SEGV a mono program, mono intercepts the signal, prints out its stuff and then just exits the program [12:06] slomo: apport isn't even triggered [12:06] slomo: (context: I wanted to add the mono blacklisting) [12:07] asac: I don't get it anyway... isn't postponing that creating more of a maintenance nightmare anyway? [12:07] pitti: hmm, i didn't get a new crash since some time... but when testing now with -SEGV it just crashes... something must've changed in apport then (as mono wasn't changed in months) :/ [12:07] Chipzz: maybe ... anyway, its not supported by mozilla.org; so what can we do? [12:07] slomo: but as I said, apport is not even triggered. hmm [12:08] slomo: ok, so I leave this at it is for now [12:08] pitti: probably the best until someone touches mono to add apport magic :) [12:08] so how can I get the power to change all firefox bugs? e.g. severity? [12:08] asac, siretart: easiest is IMHO to build gxine against firefox, not xulrunner [12:08] asac: hrrrm, I was somehow under the mistaken impression that you were related to mozilla development ;) [12:10] asac: you probably need to become member of the bugsquad team; can anyone confirm? cjwatson? [12:11] Chipzz: related .. yes ... but not deeply involved atm ;). [12:11] only members of the QA team can change severity [12:12] Adri2000: package maintainer too, right? [12:13] ubuntu-dev and ubuntu-core-dev can since they are members of ubuntu-qa, otherwise I don't think so [12:14] pitti: to change importance you need to be a member of ubuntuQA, and to be a member of ubuntuQA you need to be a member of the BugSquad :) [12:14] pochu, you don't need to be a member of the bugsquad. [12:14] oups: Adri2000: didn't see your message ;) [12:14] Fujitsu: not? I think yes :) [12:15] No. [12:15] but sfllaw knows it :) [12:15] Fujitsu: then? [12:16] Being a member of bugsquad isn't a requirement. ubuntu(-core)-dev are implicitly members of ubuntu-qa, among others. [12:18] pochu: it's the most common way, but not a requirement. People who contribute reliably to the ISO testing team should also qualify for Ubuntu QA [12:19] I agreed this with sfllaw in Oslo [12:19] didn't know :) [12:19] pochu: are you in Ubuntu QA yet? [12:19] this is from the wiki: In order to join: [12:19] * [12:19] sign up: with the BugSquad. [12:19] heno: not, but I would like to join in the next hug day :) [12:19] heno: February 14th :) [12:20] didn't I encourage you do join, I meant to [12:20] pochu: you should join the bugsquad, it's a great team === geser [n=michael@ubuntu/member/geser] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:20] heno: I'm a bugsquad member :) [12:21] pochu: but if you just sign up to Ubuntu QA I'll see that you are approved [12:21] ? [12:21] heno: he shouldnt have a problem at all [12:21] I've already agreed your case with Simon [12:22] which case? mine? I can't understand you :( [12:25] pochu: yes, just apply on Launchpad for Ubuntu QA [12:25] pochu: your contributions to organising ISO testing are enough [12:26] no need to wait for hug day [12:26] heno: ok :) I haven't done that because I read on the wiki about triaging and the hug day [12:26] however, I will come to the hug day :D [12:26] heno: sorry about not seeing your questions before today, but I haven't been watching work channels, I was hacking on photo stuff all weekend. [12:27] Mithrandir: sounds sensible. We'll just leave it as it is now I think [12:27] heno: about the iso team, some people still reports in the forum. I've asked them to report the real bugs to Launchpad, but don't know if I should ask them to make their reports to the iso tracker. Should I? [12:28] heno: yes, I just need to fix up the script (and put it in bzr somewhere so you can get at it) [12:28] Mithrandir: need to think about how this will hold up/scale to more demanding release phases [12:28] Mithrandir: cool, thanks [12:28] heno: also I've read your mail to the -devel list. If you need some help, just tell me what can I do [12:29] pochu: ok, thanks. I think you are right to point people at filing Launchpad bugs They could also file ISO test comments (I've now posted Herd 3 tracker bugs) === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] heno: ok, I'll do it === pochu_ [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pochu [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman_ is now known as GmanAFK === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] doko: do you plan to ask for a sync of the new ttf-dejavu from Debian? [01:01] seb128: IMO we should update to the new upstream release [01:01] doko: Would it be possible to make a ttf-dejavu-lgc version? [01:01] doko: they have a newer version, is there yet another new version upstream? [01:02] doko: That builds the Latin-Greek-Cyrillic only versions of these fonts? [01:02] Apparently, the Chinese character sets for DejaVu do not look very good. [01:02] Mithrandir: pitti: I have to apologize, I didn't notice that gxine was promoted to main. Darren did a lot of work to fix gxine issues with gtk 2.10. I tried to get the package so that we can sync it from debian, but obviously, this won't work [01:02] Mithrandir: Hi, now that herd3 is out have you some time to look at the build failure of xmms2? It builds in a pbuilder, during lucas' rebuild and on Debian's buildds but not on ours. [01:04] Checking for working C compiler... no [01:04] OPTION CC MUST POINT TO A VALID C COMPILER! [01:04] haha === fabbione [n=fabbione@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] geser: I have no idea about it, really. [01:05] geser: upload a new version where you run the configure with -x or its equivalent. === fabbione [n=fabbione@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] seb128: didn't see that; yes, 2.14 sounds fine [01:06] doko: ok, can you do a sync request then please? ;) [01:07] seb128, doko: I can sync it right away if you want to [01:07] sfllaw: looks good, but one week before ff? if you do have the time please go ahead [01:07] pitti: please do [01:07] pitti: please do if doko is ok [01:07] oh, hm, Mithrandir seems to do syncs ATM [01:07] ok, he is, then do ;) [01:08] seb128: Are we sticking with bug 81608? [01:08] Malone bug 81608 in kubuntu-default-settings "Please use DejaVu Sans Condensed as the default font" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/81608 [01:08] If so, I will upload a version that does LGC. [01:09] sfllaw: well, looks like that need discussion, maybe somebody should mail the ubuntu-devel-discuss list about it? [01:09] seb128: Are you planning to revert? [01:09] revert what? [01:10] we didn't change anything yet [01:10] Oh, I thought you had uploaded something... [01:10] Never mind. === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TeTeT_ [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@wing-commander.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] when you change your home IP range ... remember to update the ACL of your DNS server [01:19] Hah [01:19] Done that myself === chuck_ [n=bob@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] hey === jack_at_home [n=jack@222.131.249.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] hi zul === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cr3 [n=marc@pdpc/supporter/bronze/cr3] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] heya pitti === pitti hugs Hobbsee, hi! [01:34] :D === Hobbsee hugs pitti back [01:35] pitti: requestsync needs to be upgraded not to break when a package isnt in the ubuntu archive yet. [01:35] (ie, when a package is new to ubuntu) [01:35] Hobbsee: specifying a '0' basever (3rd argument) doesn't work as a workaround? [01:39] pitti: didnt try === Hobbsee wonders what I: mailody [universe] -> mailody_0.4.0~rc2-1 [universe] . means [01:39] (where that's the old versoin) [01:40] Hobbsee: that's just some debug output of sync-source (in particular, the current overrides) [01:40] pitti: oh right. so it can be ignored. [01:41] pitti: it seems not. [01:49] ogra: sorry do you have the bug number for the missing g-p-m file? it's not in the changelog [01:50] (so i can mark duplicate etc. etc.) === jack_wyt [n=jack@211.154.174.45] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:51] cjwatson: which package will you be uploading the braille script with, brltty, casper? I'e has dome updated work from Dave and would like to compare and sync === ubijtsa2 [i=ubijtsa@nat/redhat/x-3bb300e97fc2c71f] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [01:51] Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kimdaba/+bug/83162 ; a small reason would be nice. [01:51] Malone bug 83162 in kimdaba "please remove kimdaba from the archive (feisty)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] === nags [n=nags@61.246.50.214] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] heno: brltty I think === Spads [n=spacehob@195.248.90.24] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:52] I did a chunk of it on Friday but got stalled for a bit - I'll take it up again today or tomorrow [01:53] Mithrandir: i'm positive i put one in there. [01:53] heno: I'm interested in the braille feature, is there any spec, or something? [01:53] Mithrandir: oh bugger it [01:53] cjwatson: ok, thanks. feel free to send me whatever you have by mail as well to look over [01:53] Mithrandir: maybe only the original bug did. done. upstream renamed it [01:54] Hobbsee: ok, what's the new name? [01:54] Mithrandir: kphotoalbum [01:54] thanks [01:54] cjwatson: or better, yet: I'll just send you what Dave sent me [01:54] Mithrandir: :) [01:55] pochu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Specs/BrailleSupport [01:55] heno: thanks! === cypher1 [n=cypher1@59.96.38.181] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.15.208.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pirast [n=martin@p508B28FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos_ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vernes [n=CpR@cc896526-a.zlr1.dr.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter [n=till@bl8-124-30.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:15] I have a question about the uplaod of a new package and its availability. See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/m2300w/0.51-0ubuntu2 [02:16] tkamppeter: #ubuntu-motu === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] pochu: it's fine here [02:18] so, this channel is only for anouncements? [02:18] One can see on the left that m2300w was successfully built on all platforms, but on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/m2300w/ only the source packages show up and not the binaries. How long will it take until the binary packages appear? [02:18] cjwatson: ok :) [02:18] vernes: no [02:19] vernes: this channel is for discussion and coordination among Ubuntu developers === Hobbsee wonders if that's sitting in binary NEW still [02:19] ah, ok [02:19] tkamppeter: undetermined - it's in the NEW queue [02:19] s/still//g [02:19] The last message got broken, here it is again: One can see on the left that m2300w was successfully built on all platforms, but on http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/universe/m/m2300w/ only the source packages show up and not the binaries. How long will it take until the binary packages appear? [02:20] tkamppeter: you can see the NEW queue here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue [02:21] tkamppeter: is the split of m2300w-ppds really worth it? that package is tiny [02:21] Thanks, cjwatson, some weeks ago I asked here where I can see the NEW queue and no one answered me. [02:22] tkamppeter: there are some much bigger files in m2300w - if there's to be a split at all it should be those files that are split out, if they're architecture-independent; if they're not, I'd just put the lot in one binary package [02:25] The split is because other printer driver packages were built in a similar way. [02:26] But it seems that the package was in general accepted this way because the source was accepted. [02:27] So for me it was strange that the binary was correctly built but not uploaded. [02:34] binary packages with new names are *always* held in the new queue [02:35] always always always [02:35] tkamppeter: the person processing the source probably didn't notice. I'm noticing now, and recommending that it be done differently [02:35] I'll accept the binaries anyway for now, but I recommend that you rethink the split [02:36] or it wasn't split when the source was uploaded. And it's hard to judge sizes when all you have is the source package. === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:43] pitti: ping ? maininclusionqueue show kde-style-polyester has been approved, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportKdeStylePolyester doesn't... [02:44] pitti: is it really being proceed ? In case yes I will change the kubuntu-desktop seed [02:44] Tonio_: pitti didn't handle it, iwj did === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === brottman [n=brianr@216.120.143.226] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:45] Is there any iptables-based firewalling script that still works on feisty? [02:45] Riddell: okay [02:45] Tonio_: and I've added it to the seeds [02:46] Tonio_: so now we go back to pitti to ask him to promote it :) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:49] hunger: firestarter [02:49] Nafallo: firehol is still borked:-( [02:49] Nafallo: Have you tried that recently? [02:50] hunger: I run it atm. === giskard [n=giskard@213-140-22-74.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:57] iwj: right, if you approve a MIR, you need to change the wiki page, too [02:59] Tonio_: it has been promoted earlier by Mithrandir [02:59] pitti: Err, didn't I ? [03:00] I meant to update both the page for the review itself and the queue page. [03:00] apparently not [03:00] Let me fix that. [03:01] I must have forgotten to save the page or something. [03:01] doko, seb128: I just synced ttf-dejavu [03:01] Mithrandir: I've uploaded a new xmms2 which prints now the config.log if scons fails [03:02] Mithrandir: but I can't make much sense from the build log: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6221835/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-i386.xmms2_0.2DrHouse-3.1ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [03:02] pitti: yes Riddell told me thanks :) just the MIR page missed the info so I wanted to be sure :) === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A65252.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:04] pitti: Fixed, sorry. [03:04] iwj: no worries, thanks [03:06] pitti: thank you [03:10] geser:' [03:10] gcc -o .sconf_temp/conftest_0.o -c -O2 -Wall -g .sconf_temp/conftest_0.c [03:10] /bin/sh: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' [03:10] it's executing gcc, which appears to be a symlink to /bin/sh or something? [03:11] Chipzz: check the next line in the log [03:13] geser: where does that env call come from? [03:13] oh, right [03:14] Mithrandir: I don't know === chrisj [n=tortoise@82.152.223.112] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:14] it seems to be unhappy about the HASH(0x82db558)="" which has snuck into the environment [03:15] BenC: hm, it seems we get invalid core dumps pretty often now -- since the kernel already reaps the crashed process before writing to stdin is finished, may it be possible that parts of the core dump get lost? [03:15] heh [03:15] pitti: it's possible [03:16] pitti: I can look into the wait4 stuff I did before [03:20] BenC: you did ping me yesterday === brottman [n=brianr@216.120.143.226] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] doko: You have an atheros wifi, right? [03:20] BenC: yes, non-working :) [03:20] doko: Can you test the latest (6.4) lrm in feisty and tell me if it works? [03:20] could someone sync nfs-utils from experimental? [03:21] tepsipakki: did you test the new version? [03:21] tepsipakki: if you tried it open a sync bug and get somebody confirming it [03:22] pitti: hmm, actually no [03:22] seb128: I was about to [03:25] FYI, "UbuntuSpec:launchpad-spec-name" now works on wiki.ubuntu.com [03:25] which saves all the [https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/launchpad-spec-name launchpad-spec-name] nonsense [03:25] yay [03:25] cjwatson: nice [03:25] nice [03:26] Mithrandir: looks like the env call comes from Scons [03:28] why is it that on my systems none of the scripts in /etc/network/if-up.d are run for eth*? I'm pretty sure it works for some === ivoks [n=ivoks@7-90.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:30] Mithrandir: but I don't know where the HASH came from. does perhaps the buildd set it? [03:30] BenC: it's not yet in the archive [03:31] It's built, maybe you can get it from launchpad [03:31] it's from sbuild, it's a perl thingy. === chrisj [n=tortoise@82.152.223.112] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:32] looks like a stringified hash reference [03:32] $ perl -le '%foo = (); print \%foo' [03:32] HASH(0x100158b4) [03:32] doko: http://librarian.launchpad.net/6220771/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-6-generic_2.6.20.1-6.4_i386.deb === pirast [n=martin@p508B28FA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] doko: or for amd64 http://librarian.launchpad.net/6220744/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20-6-generic_2.6.20.1-6.4_amd64.deb === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] and how do I avoid it? [03:33] get somebody to fix that sbuild bug? :) [03:33] probably infinity === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === pitti sings 'Another one bites the dust' and marks increase-hwdb-participation as implemented [03:37] mvo: "software-properties-gtk has no installation candidate" ;) === tkamppeter [n=till@bl7-105-64.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] oh it's in the queue === jonib1 [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonib1 [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [03:38]