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TheMusoGah this synth is laggy.12:17
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TheMusoHobbsee!12:22
Hobbseehey TheMuso!12:26
pochudo you know to which package network-monitor belongs?12:27
sistpotypochu: dpkg -S is your friend ;)12:27
sistpotyhi Hobbsee:12:27
Hobbseehey sistpoty :)12:27
pochusistpoty: I have enough friends ;)12:27
pochuthanks :)12:28
sistpotynp12:28
pochunot found :S12:28
sistpotypochu: then you could try apt-file or the search on packages.ubuntu.com12:28
pochusistpoty: going to try, thanks!12:28
Hobbseeapt-cache showsrc foo12:29
Hobbseeor just apt-cache madison foo12:29
NafalloHobbsee: if network-monitor would have been it's own package and not been included in gnome-applets or something like that ;-)12:30
HobbseeNafallo: it'll give you the binary name, and the source12:30
Hobbseeaww darn, it doesnt get it...12:30
NafalloHobbsee: no, it won't :-)12:30
Hobbseeit works if you try with kopete, for eg12:31
NafalloHobbsee: that's because kopete is included in the kopete package :-)12:31
Hobbseeno it's not12:31
Hobbsee(not anymore)12:31
NafalloHobbsee: it's not? :-)12:31
Hobbseeyep.  i filed the removal request12:31
NafalloHobbsee: according to my feisty-changes kopete binary package is built from kdenetwork source.12:32
NafalloHobbsee: so it IS it's own package :-)12:33
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LaserJockHobbsee: removal requests only remove the source packages, the binaries stick around12:35
NafalloHobbsee: nm-applet binary from the package network-manager-gnome doesn't work with apt-get show nm-applet though :-)12:36
Adri2000http://librarian.launchpad.net/6204008/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-powerpc.amsn_0.96%2Bdfsg1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz < any idea about that?12:42
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crimsunpoke pitti about it during work hours12:44
Adri2000crimsun: do you think it's a buildd issue?12:44
crimsunit may be, I don't have a ppc to try12:45
sistpotywell, this looks suspicious: objcopy: Unable to recognise the format of the input file `./usr/share/amsn/utils/Tclxml/libTclxml3.1.so'12:45
Adri2000it also failed and sparc and ia64 but built fine on i386 and amd6412:46
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sistpotyAdri2000: my guess is that the shared object which causes the build to fail is i386... (maybe not getting built but taken from somewhere?)12:49
Adri2000amsn-0.96+dfsg1/utils/Tclxml/libTclxml3.1.so < yes, it's already in the tarball and is probably not built12:52
sistpotyAdri2000: hm... and it's not there on amd64 at all12:53
sistpotyoops, looking at an older version12:54
Adri2000utils/Tclxml/ doesn't exist in 0.9512:55
sistpotyAdri2000: if you look at clean in rules, there are some shared objects getting removed. maybe adding this one as well is all that's needed to fix building.:wq12:58
sistpoty-:wp ;)12:58
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Adri2000yep01:01
Adri2000they are only removed from the source directory, rm -f ./utils/TkCximage/TkCximage.so01:02
Adri2000some are moved from /usr/share/ to /usr/lib/01:03
Adri2000I'm not sure why the .so is shipped in the tarball01:04
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ajmitchbecause upstream are idiots?01:04
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sistpotylol... what's wrong today? /me is in a bad mood today as well01:09
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Nafallodooh01:10
ajmitchsistpoty: we've just been having fun with code at work01:10
Nafallos/siretart/sistpoty/01:10
Adri2000sistpoty: do you think that if I remove the .so file during the clean rule, it will be recreated for each arch and then it will work?01:11
sistpotyAdri2000: just try and see if it's there... if not, it's probably not redistributable (since sources are missing) or the build system is broken01:12
sistpotys/not redistributable/not redistributable in universe/01:12
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Adri2000sistpoty: no, it's not recreated :(01:26
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sistpotyAdri2000: I've done some searching... seems like the shared object is taken from http://tclxml.sourceforge.net/tclxml.html01:40
sistpotyAdri2000: which might be in the package tclxml01:41
sistpotyAdri2000: so you could simply add a link to usr/lib/Tclxml3.1/libTclxml3.1.so and a hard dependency on it01:42
sistpoty(so that would be a little bit hacky, but I wouldn't know how to determine tcl dependencies to a library right now)01:43
ajmitcha little bit hacky?01:44
sistpotyajmitch: got a clue how to find out shared library dependencies of tcl-scripts?01:45
Burgundaviapochu: ping re: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/7540901:45
UbugtuMalone bug 75409 in compiz "Missing dependency" [Undecided,In progress]  01:45
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pochuBurgundavia: desktop-effects depends on compiz. compiz depends on compiz-core. compiz-core suggest compiz-gnome or compiz-kde01:46
pochuBurgundavia: the fix: compiz-core depends on "compiz-gnome | compiz-kde"01:46
pochuright?01:46
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Burgundaviapochu: I think so. It wasn't clear exactly what you were doing with that bug01:47
ajmitchsistpoty: I don't touch tcl01:47
sistpotyhehe01:47
BurgundaviaI also don't want to step on your toes with compiz01:47
Nafalloisn't desktop-effects gnome-specific? :-)01:47
BurgundaviaNafallo: desktop-effects is written in pygtk, yes01:48
Nafallomaybe it's better to make that depends on compiz-gnome or something? :-)01:48
Burgundaviaajmitch: I just realized why Userful installs amsn by default: because it is written in tcl and we love tcl for some cracked reason01:48
ajmitchmakes perfect sense01:49
Burgundaviajust like hitting your head against a wall makes perfect sense01:49
Burgundaviahave i mentioned we have a developer being paid full time to redevelop LTSP?01:49
ajmitchmakes perfect sense (again)01:50
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crimsunis said developer also using beryl?01:51
Adri2000sistpoty: is it really needed to do all that? if I just remove the .so file, it works...01:51
Burgundaviacrimsun: that would be really crack01:52
ajmitchBurgundavia: are you not sad that beryl won't be shipped in feisty by default?01:52
Burgundaviaajmitch: not really01:52
ajmitcheven compiz is broken enough01:53
Burgundaviacompiz needs more aggressive testing01:53
crimsunI'd sad as a moocow :/01:53
crimsunI'm, even01:53
Burgundaviathey should have turned it on by default as the beginning fo the cycle and let the bug reports flow in01:53
Nafalloajmitch: oh!? it isn't? :-)01:53
ajmitchcompiz lasts about 30 seconds on my laptop before I get sick of the bugs & turn it off01:53
crimsun30? that's impressive01:54
sistpotyAdri2000: well, the shared object is referenced in usr/share/amsn/utils/Tclxml/pkgIndex.tcl... so figuring out if the file says it's needed or rather one of an alternative might give more clues01:54
ajmitchat most01:54
TheMusoIs there a beryl howto on the wiki?01:54
crimsunit makes my desktop immediately unusable after logging in01:54
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imbrandoni hoped that died01:55
crimsunTheMuso: yeah, beryl-project, or #ubuntu-effects01:55
ajmitchimbrandon: we'll stop soon01:55
BurgundaviaTheMuso: there is a one word wiki: don't01:55
sistpotyAdri2000: but I guess if amsn works fine w.o., you could remove it... but please watch out if bugs get reported then ;)01:55
Burgundaviaapparently it is now in debian, beryl that is01:55
Burgundaviaanyway, have to run01:55
ajmitchimbrandon: I thought you were stocking up on your addictions?01:55
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ajmitchheh01:56
Adri2000sistpoty: ok01:58
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sistpotycrimsun, StevenK, siretart: can you give me an ack for SRU https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-sid/+bug/82692 ?02:10
UbugtuMalone bug 82692 in xmms-sid "[SRU]  xmms-sid broken in edgy" [Undecided,Needs info]  02:10
sistpoty(and please look at the version number, it looks kinda wrong to me, but maybe I'm just tired)02:10
ajmitchhm02:10
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ajmitch& update a couple of apps I use02:11
crimsunsistpoty: acked.02:11
sistpotyajmitch: we need every help we can get ;)02:11
sistpotycrimsun: thx02:11
ajmitchsistpoty: yeah, zope2.9 has some issues, i think they may be SRU rather than security though02:12
ajmitchI have to check them further02:12
sistpotyajmitch: thanks to keescook, -security is moving pretty fast ;)02:12
ajmitchbug 8031702:12
UbugtuMalone bug 80317 in zope2.9 "Critical bug in Zope 2.9.5 (Edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8031702:12
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ajmitchoh well, i can bug you about it for SRU anyway :)02:13
sistpotyajmitch: patch looks sane for SRU ;)02:14
ajmitchhah02:14
ajmitchI don't think the attached patch was the appropriate fix02:14
ajmitchhm no, according to the changelog it was02:15
sistpotywell, I can't tell if it was the right fix w.o. looking at logger... but it's sane as in small and unintrusive ;)02:16
ajmitchyep02:16
ajmitchtheir bug tracker is just confusing02:16
ajmitch& it doesn't help that people were arguing about the fix in another bug02:17
sistpotyhehe02:18
sistpotyI wonder, if I ever get enough testers for the xmms-sid sru... strange enough I happen to have a large sid collection, but who else does?02:20
ajmitchyeah, it could be a problem trying to get testers for universe stuff02:21
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sistpotyindeed... and not just for such uncommon packages... maybe asking around in #ubuntu or sending to #ubuntu-users ml might get us some feedback02:22
ajmitchor (shudder) the forums02:25
sistpotyhehe02:25
pochuhey guys: if I've just changed 2 lines in /debian/control, is normally to have a 115KB of diff.gz?02:27
pochu(1.4 MB of diff inside the gz)02:27
pochuI can't understand it :(02:27
azeemwell, check what files the diff touches02:27
azeemcould be autotools are run in the clean target02:28
sistpotypochu: the .diff.gz is always the difference between the orig.tar.gz and the extracted source package... so if it was large before your change it will stay large after the 2-line change02:28
pochusistpoty: ok, thanks!02:28
pochu:)02:28
azeemeh, that as well02:28
sistpotypochu: if you want a diff between packages, use debdiff <old-dsc-file> <new-dsc-file>02:28
pochusistpoty: I think I don't need a diff :) but thanks anyway02:29
pochucould you guys sponsor an upload :) bug 7540902:31
UbugtuMalone bug 75409 in compiz "Missing dependency" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7540902:31
geserthe debdiff would be enough02:32
sistpotypochu: ^^ :P02:33
pochudo you want the debdiff?02:33
geserand even preferable02:33
pochuI think sebastien told me that the .dsc and the .diff.gz were enough :)02:34
pochubut np :)02:34
pochuone minute ;)02:34
pochudone :)02:40
pochuhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/7540902:40
UbugtuMalone bug 75409 in compiz "Missing dependency" [Undecided,In progress]  02:40
TheMusobah. Any idea why OpenOffice is not letting me edit a document straight away? If i use the arrow keyso to move up and down, the document scrolls like a web page.02:52
TheMusoAny ideas how I change this?02:52
TheMusoThis is a pretty much fresh install of feisty.02:52
TheMusoi.e about two days old.02:52
pochuneed a sponsor :) any volunteer? :)02:55
Nafallocompiz is like crack. I don't even wanna try it :-)02:56
pochu:)02:57
pochuNafallo: do you need to test each package you are going to upload, even if they have already been tested?02:57
Nafalloyes02:58
Nafalloand my development system is dead atm ;-)02:58
pochu:)02:58
pochuany other MOTU ^_^02:58
TheMusopochu: Try me again in a week or so. :)02:58
pochuhehe02:59
Nafallos/MOTU/crack\ smoker/ :-)02:59
TheMusoStill getting comfrotable with trusting my own work that goes up.02:59
TheMusoNafallo: ROFL02:59
pochuI can't understand why you play so much with / :S02:59
pochus/blabla/dkjf02:59
pochu:)02:59
TheMusoBecause when one gets used to using sed, it becomes a habbit. :)02:59
pochuhave you seen bug 83348?03:02
UbugtuMalone bug 83348 in gnome-app-install "Need more applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8334803:02
pochuit's pretty annoying :)03:02
ajmitchyes, it's humourous03:02
pochu:)03:02
Nafallolol03:03
sistpotylet's assign it to sabdfl *g*03:03
pochu:)03:03
pochuwe can change the bug number to bug 2 :)03:04
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Nafallos/oa/ou/03:04
sistpotyok, reassigned :)03:05
Nafallolol03:06
sistpotyeven more info added :)03:09
pochu:)03:10
pochusistpoty: could we also have windows in the gnome-app-shop ;)03:10
sistpotyhrhr03:11
sistpotypochu: sure: http://www.degredo.net/03:12
ajmitchheh03:12
pochu:)03:12
ajmitchsistpoty: naughty sistpoty, giving sabdfl more work to do03:12
sistpotyyay, /me is a little bit naughty tonight *g*03:12
pochusistpoty: even better: http://theblog.europe2blog.fr/the_blog/images/vista.jpg03:13
sistpoty*g*03:13
sistpotypochu: what do I need to do to get cool effects for kde with compiz?03:17
pochusistpoty: upload my package :)03:17
pochusistpoty: install compiz?03:17
pochu:-P03:17
sistpotypochu: I want to test it before uploading (builds fine)03:17
pochusistpoty: moment03:18
crimsunyou also need steel ribs in case your monitor explodes from all the BLING.03:18
sistpotyargl *g*03:18
pochuI think "compiz --replace"03:18
pochusistpoty: try that :)03:18
sistpotywell, s.th. changed... but no cool effect yet *g*03:19
sistpotyoh, and I can't change workspaces any longer *g*03:19
Nafallosiretart: cracksmoker!03:19
sistpoty-ENOCRACK03:19
crimsun(you didn't need workspaces anyhow!)03:19
Nafallodooh03:19
Nafallosiretart: that was for sistpoty :-)03:19
sistpotyoh, and the decorations are gone03:20
pochusistpoty: those are known issues :)03:20
pochusistpoty: remove ~/.gconf/apps/compiz03:20
pochuand restart compiz03:20
pochuyou will have decorations03:20
pochusistpoty: or enable them in the gconf keys03:21
pochubut it's easy to remove the directory ;)03:21
pochuthere are a lot of bugs with compiz :(03:21
pochuand I think most of them are gconf-related :)03:21
pochulol03:23
pochuhe has crashed :)03:23
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sistpotygrml... restart compiz was a bad idea *g*03:23
pochu:)03:23
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Nafallosiretart: I told you it was crack :-)03:23
Nafallobut FFS!03:24
pochusistpoty: did you read me?03:24
Nafallos/ siretart / sistpoty /03:24
sistpotypochu: yep...03:24
sistpoty(kvirc's highlight popup still worked, but nothing else)03:24
pochusistpoty: I haven't tested it with kubuntu :(03:25
sistpotypochu: I don't have ~/.gconf/apps/compiz03:26
pochulol03:26
pochuoh03:26
pochuyou are using kde :)03:26
pochugconf is gnome, right?03:26
sistpotyyep03:26
pochuwhere does kde save that?03:27
sistpotybut I have .gconf still *g*03:27
pochuhehe03:27
pochu:(03:27
sistpotyno idea? where would compiz-kde put it?03:27
pochuI've never used kde03:27
sistpotykde saves stuff in .kde03:27
pochugnome rocks :)03:27
pochusistpoty: then look there ;)03:27
sistpotyno... in my entire home dir is nothing that's called compiz03:27
pochulol03:28
pochusistpoty: and running compiz crashes your wm?03:28
TheMusoFOund my problem.03:28
TheMusoFor some reason, accessing it over an nfs share makes it behave differently.03:28
sistpotypochu: it doesn't really crash it... stopping compiz crashes it (or makes it pretty useless)03:29
pochustopping compiz?03:29
pochuoh!03:29
pochuyou should stop it with03:29
pochusomething --replace03:29
pochuin gnome it's gtksomething :)03:29
pochuone moment ;)03:29
sistpotylol, just like windows... push start to stop windows *g*03:29
pochu:)03:30
sistpotyok, I give up on compiz... nothing usable in /usr/share/doc/compiz{-kde}, no man page...03:30
sistpotyhowever it builds and installs fine, so I guess I'll just upload it03:31
pochusistpoty: I think for gnome is this: gtk-window-decorator --replace03:31
pochubut don't know for kde... :(03:31
pochucould I talk to you guys something offtopic? :)03:32
pochuor not here?03:32
sistpotypochu: back to compiz: you shouldn't make changelog entries wider than 80 chars03:32
pochuoh, didn't know03:33
pochuthanks!03:33
pochusistpoty: could you fix it?03:33
sistpotypochu: sure03:33
pochu:)03:33
pochuthanks!03:33
pochusistpoty: I shouldn't or I can't?03:34
ajmitchshouldn't03:35
ajmitchyou'll have angry developers calling your house in the middle of the night03:36
pochu:)03:37
sistpotyok, now I'm off to bed03:42
sistpotygn8 everyone03:42
ajmitchnight sistpoty 03:42
LaserJockdarn, I missed sistopty03:59
pochubuy guys!04:00
pochusee you :)04:00
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bddebianHeya04:04
LaserJockwoot! Colts kicked butt :-)04:07
bddebian:'-(04:08
bddebianLaserJock: I almost have a present for you :-)04:08
LaserJockexciting04:08
LaserJockI somehow feel bad about the Bears losing04:09
bddebianThey deserved though after that fiasco :-(04:09
TheMusoBah! Thats not football!!04:09
LaserJockof course it is ;-)04:10
TheMusoThe only game that can be called football is the world game!04:10
TheMusoKnown here as soccer.04:10
LaserJockheh04:10
bddebianOh, you mean SOCCER? :)04:10
LaserJockAmerica==World ;-)04:10
TheMusoUmmm. I think not.04:11
LaserJockdarn04:12
ajmitchTheMuso: don't shatter their little illusions04:12
TheMusoajmitch: hahaha04:13
LaserJockheh04:14
LaserJockno illusions, I just think it was dumb to have 2 different sports named the same04:15
LaserJockfootball seems to fit soccer better04:16
LaserJockyou mostly throw the ball in our football04:16
bddebiantraitor04:16
LaserJocksorry bddebian 04:16
LaserJockit just seems more logical04:16
LaserJockbut I don't know what we'd call football04:16
LaserJock"the game formerly known as football"04:17
bddebianoblongball04:17
zulill merge xen-tools tomorrow..04:20
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LaserJockyou guys know of any issues with terminals just becoming unresponsive?05:04
TheMusoNope.05:05
crimsun"terminals" being...?05:05
LaserJockgnome-terminal or konsole05:05
crimsunsure, I have [out of my own stupidity] 05:05
LaserJockwhen I ssh places sometimes it just freezes05:05
LaserJockcrimsun: what was your stupidity? perhaps I'm being stupid and don't even know it ;-)05:08
crimsun^s05:08
LaserJockhmm, I have done that before05:10
LaserJockbut I don't know think that has been the issue lately05:10
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ScottKThe only time I've had terminals freeze is if I reboot a remote server via SSH and don't manage to log out before it goes down.  I've had the get VERY slow when trying to SSH through a high latency/packet loss connection.05:14
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LaserJockhmm, well that's odd05:16
BurgundaviaLaserJock: freezing is often a hardware issue05:30
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LaserJockBurgundavia: but it's only the terminal and I can open up a  new tab and it's fine05:46
TheMusoc05:55
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zakameafternoon MOTUs06:30
LaserJockhi zakame 06:37
zakamehi LaserJock, merging wxwindows2.4 now :)06:38
TheMusoHey zakame 06:40
zakameyo TheMuso :D06:41
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joejaxxwell that was interesting06:58
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LaserJockjoejaxx: hi07:35
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joejaxxLaserJock: hello07:37
joejaxxLaserJock: how are you today?07:37
LaserJockoh, I'm doing07:44
joejaxxthat is good07:44
LaserJocksomehow I need like a 1 month vacation07:44
joejaxxyeah i feel that way sometimes as well07:45
ajmitchonly 1 month?07:50
joejaxxajmitch: :P07:53
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LaserJockajmitch: I'd get bored after too long07:59
LaserJockwow, interesting comments in -devel08:00
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TheMusoooooo threatening.08:02
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ajmitchfrom such a *tough* nick, too08:04
TheMusohaha08:04
TheMusoand he was k-lined too.08:04
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TheMusoSomething to do with kicked I *think*.08:05
ajmitch"ill get my uncle after you" is such a show of strength ;)08:05
tepsipakkiyep.. there are times when I'm proud of being Finnish :P08:07
ajmitchheh08:07
joejaxxlol08:07
TheMusohaha08:08
joejaxxwow haha08:09
joejaxxi maxed on 1.25GB of ram08:09
ajmitchusing up 1.25GB of RAM is quite easy08:11
joejaxxyeah but that is all the ram i have :P08:11
joejaxxmostly everything is swapping now08:11
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joejaxx:P08:13
joejaxxhow much ram do you have total?08:13
ajmitchin the desktop? 4GB08:13
TheMusowow08:13
joejaxxnice08:13
ajmitchlaptop runs with 1GB RAM, 1GB swap08:13
joejaxxtoo bad this laptop does not take 4gb08:13
ajmitchyeah, mine will only take 2GB08:14
zakamecool08:14
ajmitchbut I haven't needed to upgrade it08:14
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crimsunsweet.08:53
crimsuncrimsun@garnish:/media/disk/crimsun/git/ubuntu-2.6$ git branch -D hda-fixes08:53
crimsunDeleted branch hda-fixes.08:53
Fujitsu... sweet?08:55
FujitsuHow is it a good thing that you deleted that?08:55
FujitsuIs it all merged?08:55
crimsunyep.08:56
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FujitsuYay :)08:56
FujitsuVery good!08:56
Fujitsucrimsun saves the world (of sound) yet again.08:56
crimsunwell, I still have a few thousand lines for Realtek HDA, but I'm not terribly worried08:57
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cbx33is the fact that oodraw not having any desktop icon fixed in feisty?10:03
cbx33and oo math10:03
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Adri2000hi \sh 10:44
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Adri2000\sh: you always forget the "s" when you change the Maintainer field, it's Ubuntu MOTU DeveloperS10:47
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Adri2000\sh: and authbind is in main10:48
\shAdri2000: arg...10:48
\shlooks like that my train travel fcked up my brain ;)10:49
StevenKAdri2000: \sh is trying to deny the existance of the rest of us. :-P10:49
Adri2000:p10:49
StevenK"What? I'm the only MOTU!" etc etc10:49
\shStevenK: lol10:50
\shAdri2000: changin my mistake10:50
\shfix uploaded authbind ;)10:52
Adri2000:)10:52
\shStevenK: The "s" from DeveloperS is not on my way of my fingers sometimes ;) I'll take more attention next time ;)10:53
StevenKHeh10:53
\shtime for a cigarette10:54
Tonio_hi, I uploaded kdepim on friday afternoon, upload is still in the queue, is there a reason for this ?10:55
Tonio_sorry wrong channel....10:55
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Adri2000btw, are we sure *how* we should change the maintainer field or still not?10:58
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TheMusoAdri2000: IMO it makes sense. I am not changing all packages I upload however, as there are packages that I myself am happy to maintain, as I know how they work, are packaged, and am in contact with upstream for them.11:08
Adri2000TheMuso: you mean the 0ubuntuX packages (not in debian) you packaged and maintain in ubuntu?11:10
TheMusoAdri2000: No, not only those. There are packages that are in Debian that I am happy to maintain in universe, as I'm contact with the debian maintainer and upstream anyway.11:11
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Adri2000ok11:12
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StevenKgeser: GAH! *Don't* run scons in the clean target!01:13
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geserStevenK: it's already in the Debian package01:13
StevenKThen file a nastygram, it's wrong.01:13
StevenKJust because the Debian package does something dumb doesn't mean we have to.01:14
geserwhat to call instead?01:14
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StevenKI hope upstream didn't write debian/rules01:14
StevenKgeser: Why do you need to call scons anyway?01:15
geserit looks like xmms2 is using scons instead make01:16
StevenKI figured that, but why does it need to call it in the clean target?01:16
gesershouldn't be something like "make clean" be called in the clean target?01:17
StevenKYes, but only if you can do so without invoking something like ./configure01:18
StevenKWhere's Fujitsu when you want him? He can quote about this stuff.01:18
geserdon't ask me why scons does a configure before it removes files01:20
StevenKProbably because it hasn't been run before.01:20
geserbut how does this explains why scons can't find a c compiler?01:20
StevenKIt doesn't, but I thought I'd try. Which I can't reproduce.01:20
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Nafallo-ENOFUJITSU01:26
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highvoltage567544501:50
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fernandohi all, how to use dbootstrap with a proxy auth?02:37
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bddebianHeya gang03:38
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isaricA hope for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4238 is possible ?04:07
bddebianI'll try to get to it in a little bit04:08
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nixternalboo04:13
isaricthanks04:13
bddebianHeya nixternal04:15
nixternalwell howdy04:16
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gnomefreakwhats with the 3 updates for l-r-m and nvidia-glx? im getting kind of scared to restart X seeing all them04:40
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bddebianIf I repack the upstream tarball, am I supposed to give it some version identifying so? i.e. foo_1.0+REPACKED-0ubuntu1 or some such?04:50
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gimmiedacashhow do I get privoxy from feisty in edgy? the privoxy version in edgy is several years old05:36
bddebianDo I just need to chmod +x on the following lintian warning?:05:41
bddebianW: bibus: script-not-executable ./usr/share/bibus/CodecChoice.py05:41
slomobddebian: or remove the #! from the file05:50
slomobddebian: depending on whether it is meant to be executed directly or is only imported somewhere else05:50
bddebianslomo: Thx05:50
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somerville32I'm doing an SRU and the current package version is 6.05.5. Should I make it 6.05.6 or 6.05.5.1 ?06:28
gesersomerville32: no debian revision?06:29
somerville32I think this is what we would call a native package06:30
somerville32It is xubuntu-docs06:30
giskardimbrandon, ping06:30
gesersomerville32: 6.05.5ubuntu0.106:30
geserthat's a native package06:30
geserbut on the other hand it's an ubuntu-only package, hmm06:31
geserI guess 6.05.5.1 would be also ok06:32
somerville32Ok :)06:33
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gesersomerville32: you might want to ask pitti or cjwatson06:35
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rexbronhey, after a package has been accepted and built, how long until it is in the repos07:33
rexbron?07:33
geserfor already known packages till the next publisher run which is iirc once an hour07:34
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gesernew binary packages need to go through archive admins07:35
rexbronok07:36
bddebianLaser_away: If you get a minute:  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=425607:36
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geserbddebian: shouldn't be the version 1.3.0-0ubuntu1 instead of 1.3.0-1ubuntu1?07:40
bddebianGah, yes07:40
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geserbddebian: looks like if it's enough if bibus build-depends on python-all (without the -dev)08:16
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LaserJockbddebian: still around?08:17
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DktrKranzhi guys08:18
DktrKranza user suffers from bug 8345708:18
UbugtuMalone bug 83457 in python2.5 "python2.5-minimal_2.5ubutnu5 fails to install in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8345708:18
DktrKranzit seems latest update of python2.5 breaks something08:19
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ScottKDktrKranz: You might ask in #ubuntu+1 as that channel is focuse on Feisty.  Python is not a Universe package, so this probably isn't the best place to be asking.08:25
DktrKranzthanks ScottK ;)08:26
_EnchainedHi08:29
_Enchainedif I make a package with newer version than the one on revu, what should we do ? archive the older and uplaod the newer ?08:30
LaserJockdid you upload the original one?08:31
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Adri2000_Enchained: just upload, nothing else to do08:34
_Enchainedit's a new release08:35
_Enchainedv1.2 to 1.208:35
LaserJockAdri2000: if the original was uploaded by somebody else he should talk to them first08:35
LaserJock_Enchained: but did you upload 1.2?08:35
_Enchainedno08:35
_Enchained1.1 to 1.2 sorry08:35
_EnchainedI've maked the 1.1 version08:35
_Enchainedand now it's 1.208:36
LaserJockok, then maybe email the person that uploaded 1.1 to see if they were working on it08:36
_Enchainedit's me ;)08:36
_EnchainedAs I won't work on 1.1 again, it could be deleted no ?08:37
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LaserJock_Enchained: argg, I asked you before if you were the one who uploaded it and you said no08:37
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_Enchained^^ I said no for "did you upload 1.2" ;)08:38
LaserJockand you told me 1.2 was the old version ;-)08:38
LaserJockjust upload the new version08:38
_EnchainedI restart :08:39
giskardimbrandon, ping08:39
_EnchainedI've uploaded 1.1 version on revu08:39
_Enchainedthe package was rejected08:40
_EnchainedAfter talking to upstream to solve problems08:40
_EnchainedHe has released a new version 1.208:40
_Enchainedwith corrections08:40
_Enchainedetc08:40
Adri2000(was rejected from the NEW queue)08:40
_Enchainedyes Adri200008:40
_Enchainedso there is no version of this software actually08:41
_EnchainedI just upload the new version ?08:41
Adri2000yep :)08:41
LaserJockyes, you can upload right over the old package08:42
LaserJockI just wanted to make sure you weren't  hijacking somebody else's package without them knowing about it(which happens sometimes)08:43
crimsunjust make sure you hijack all of the scientific packages08:43
LaserJock:-)08:43
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_Enchainedin fact someone already maked an "unofficial" package for edgy08:47
_Enchainedbut I think it doesn't matter08:47
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LaserJocktoo bad they didn't put it on REVU08:47
TheMusoHey MOTUs.08:48
LaserJockhi TheMuso 08:48
LaserJockgonna upload something today? :-)08:49
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TheMusoprobably, once I sort out the stability of one of my boxes.08:50
TheMusoI THink maybe something is on the way out in it.08:50
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stgraberAnyone knows how I'm supposed to package a java software ?08:56
somerville32stgraber, You could look at an example.08:58
LaserJocklike beyond just any old package?08:59
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zachtibhi, i emailed the mailing list about getting a package synced, and i followed the directions, but I'm having some trouble09:18
LaserJockwhat's the trouble?09:18
zachtibhttps://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/83462 << that's the bug i filed, but someone said "you need a developer to ACK your sync first" and i don't know what they mean09:19
UbugtuMalone bug 83462 in Ubuntu "Sync Deluge 0.4.1 into Feisty" [Undecided,Needs info]  09:19
LaserJockzachtib: ah, that just means you need to get a MOTU (Ubuntu Universe Developer) to OK the sync09:20
LaserJockit's just so we can weed out bad requests before they go to the archive admins09:20
zachtibok, makes sense.  its a very minor change, i only put out 0.4.1 so that it would make it into feisty.  basically, just a clean source tarball and better menu entries,09:21
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LaserJockk, I'll have a look and approve ACK it ok?09:22
zachtibok, thanks09:22
LaserJockzachtib: in the future you don't want to subscribe the ubuntu-archive right away, but subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors09:23
LaserJocksorry for the confusion there09:24
zachtibLaserJock: ok, i was just going by the wiki page09:24
LaserJockyeah, I know09:24
LaserJockit's written from the perspective of a dev filing the sync request09:24
LaserJockso it should be clearer on what to do for non-devs09:25
zachtibgotcha09:25
ScottKLaserJock: If I edit the page, will you review it to make sure I got it right?09:25
LaserJockScottK: the sync page?09:25
ScottKYeah09:25
Adri2000zachtib: also I forgot to say that you need to assign the bug to the package deluge-torrent ;)09:25
ScottKTo make it clearer for non-devs.09:26
Adri2000good idea schultmc 09:26
=== ScottK was the one that pointed him at that page.
Adri2000good idea ScottK 09:26
zachtibAdri2000: yeah, i forgot how to assign a package after i submitted it.  i realized that about 2 sec after i sent it09:26
Adri2000(sorry schultmc)09:26
schultmcheh09:26
schultmcnp09:26
LaserJockScottK: sure09:28
ScottKOK09:28
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ScottKIf you want a main package synched and are not a dev, who do you subscribe to the bug?09:28
LaserJockI *think* ubuntu-sponsors09:29
Adri2000ubuntu-main-sponsors09:29
ScottKThanks.09:29
crimsunugg, more spam.09:29
LaserJockAdri2000: ah yeah, that's the one09:29
LaserJockcrimsun: better then getting yelled at by ubuntu-archive09:30
LaserJockI think :-)09:30
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ScottKLaserJock: Updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess - I have to run and pick up #2 daughter from school, but if needed will fix anything when I get back (~30 min).09:38
LaserJockk, thanks09:38
LaserJockScottK: looks ok to me, mdz can spiff it up if he likes09:39
bddebianOK, what have I missed? :-)09:44
LaserJocknothing09:45
bddebianWhere do NEW binaries sit after they build successfuly?09:45
LaserJocknothing can happen when you are gone09:45
bddebianLaserJock: Did you check out REVU? :)09:45
LaserJockbddebian: not quite yet, just a brief glance09:45
Adri2000ScottK: Fix released is set by the archive admin. once you have filed the sync request (and once u-u-s have acked it, if you are not a developer), you don't need to do anything else09:45
bddebianBut you saw what it was?09:45
LaserJockthey go to the NEW queue again for approval09:45
LaserJockbddebian: yes, I did, thank you very much09:45
bddebianLaserJock: It's hideous packaging but it does seem to work09:46
bddebiando be do be doo09:50
bddebianDo we have any wiki page on using the merge script?09:55
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ScottKAdri2000: Are you sure.  So far on the one's I've done the archive admins have just set Fix Committed.  IIRC, I was told (here or via e-mail by an archive admin, not sure) that I was supposed to mark it released after it built.09:58
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Adri2000ScottK: really? bug number of this sync request?09:59
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LaserJockScottK: we often do that for MOTU sponsorships, I'm not sure what ubuntu-archive does10:00
LaserJockI think pitti marks them Fix Released10:00
ScottKOK.10:00
ScottKMaybe I should change it to "if the archive marks if fix committed, then you should..."10:01
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_Enchainedhay bddebian10:02
_Enchained(do you want some work ? :p)10:02
ScottKAdri2000 and LaserJock - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess - better?10:03
bddebianHeya _Enchained10:04
_Enchainedbddebian: when you can, take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4229 :)10:05
_Enchainedplz10:05
LaserJockScottK: seems ok to me10:07
ScottKThanks.10:07
LaserJockzachtib: I've given the OK for your sync request, now you can just wait for the archive admins to do their magic :-)10:08
zachtibLaserJock: tyvm10:08
ScottKzachtib: Would you please look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess - I've revised it - and see if it makes sense to you...10:09
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LaserJockzachtib: np, thanks for getting ahold of us and filing the bug10:09
zachtibScottK: yeah, looks good10:09
ScottKThanks.10:10
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sistpotyhi folks10:11
_EnchainedLaserJock: the new versionis on revu if you want to look at : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=425810:12
_Enchainedversion*10:13
LaserJockhi sistpoty 10:13
sistpotyhi LaserJock10:13
bddebianHeya sistpoty10:13
sistpotyhi bddebian10:13
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bddebian_Enchained: The .deb is pretty much empty..??10:16
_Enchainedbddebian: Oo I look at it10:16
_Enchainedworking on dvd95 ATM10:17
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Adri2000LaserJock: archive admins won't be happy with #83462 because the changelog is missing10:20
LaserJockbah10:22
ajmitchhi all10:24
sistpotyhi ajmitch10:24
_Enchainedhi ajmitch10:24
somerville32hi ajmitch 10:24
ScottKbddebian: Did you get a chance to look at Bug #83176?  It's you favorite package all over again...10:25
UbugtuMalone bug 83176 in courier "courier: merge new debian version 0.53.3-4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8317610:25
LaserJockAdri2000: fine, added10:25
LaserJockhi ajmitch 10:25
bddebianScottK: No, I'm hiding10:27
ScottKShould be the same as the last one.  The new update just adds a few translations.10:27
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TheMusoHey all.10:34
geserLaserJock: could you add bug 36586 to your list of malone bugs? it would make it easier for ubuntu-universe-sponsors to find out which source package that bug/mail belongs to10:34
UbugtuMalone bug 36586 in malone "please mention the source package in bug mails" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3658610:34
TheMuso...again10:34
sistpotyhi TheMuso10:35
ajmitchgeser: about the best we have the is source package in the mail headers10:35
TheMusoAnybody working on mini-dinstall?10:36
TheMusoor is that a fakesync etc?10:37
LaserJockgeser: I thought I had that one already, looks like I didn't10:38
LaserJockgeser: as ajmitch said, they seem to think having it in the header is "good enough"10:38
geserTheMuso: from http://merges.ubuntu.com/m/mini-dinstall/mini-dinstall_0.6.21ubuntu2.patch I'd say it's a fakesync10:38
LaserJockit still bugs me though...10:39
sistpotyLaserJock: bugs me as well10:39
LaserJockit's kinda weird to have to turn on "all headers" or something just to figure out what package a bug belongs too10:39
LaserJockespecially when pitti renames the bugs to "Fixed" or something10:39
bddebianHeya ajmitch10:40
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TheMusogeser: Right I thought so.10:40
bddebianGaaah freakin' kbd-chooser10:40
sistpotyyay... I want to know the source package as the first thing of a bug mail... it's easier to open the bug link than to browse through the headers to get this info.10:41
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sistpotybddebian: seems like noone wants to touch it *g*10:41
bddebiansistpoty: I'm trying but it's hideous :-(10:41
geserin most cases I'm to lazy look for the X-Launchpad header and prefer to open the url instead10:42
LaserJockgeser: added, thanks10:42
bddebianI actually asked for a syn early on ;-)10:42
bddebianErr sync even10:42
sistpotybddebian: cool, great :)10:42
bddebianAnd cjwatsin said no freakin way10:42
TheMusobddebian: hahaha10:44
geserbddebian: I think nobody wants to touch it because it in the d-i section10:44
_EnchainedAdri2000: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=425910:44
sistpotyis it still used anywhere?10:44
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_Enchainedbddebian: I found the problem on greycstoration : I've changed the binary package name to "gimp-greycstoration" in debian/control (like gpocentek said), and then the deb doesn't content any file...10:48
_Enchaineddo you know why ?...10:48
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_Enchainedsorry, I just found my error (in rules)10:49
_Enchained:)10:49
bddebian_Enchained: ... :-)10:49
_Enchained(I hadn't changed the destination directory in rules...)10:50
_Enchained:s10:50
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_Enchainedbddebian: better :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=426010:55
_Enchained(and dvd95 is updated too ;) )10:55
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_Enchainedbddebian: thanks for you review11:29
bddebianNP11:29
_Enchainedthere is also Ooodi2 if you want lol11:30
_Enchainedhttp://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=414211:30
_EnchainedI d'ont know if all is ok...11:30
_EnchainedI modified a bit the standard installation11:30
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bddebianLater folks11:53
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