TheMuso | Gah this synth is laggy. | 12:17 |
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TheMuso | Hobbsee! | 12:22 |
Hobbsee | hey TheMuso! | 12:26 |
pochu | do you know to which package network-monitor belongs? | 12:27 |
sistpoty | pochu: dpkg -S is your friend ;) | 12:27 |
sistpoty | hi Hobbsee: | 12:27 |
Hobbsee | hey sistpoty :) | 12:27 |
pochu | sistpoty: I have enough friends ;) | 12:27 |
pochu | thanks :) | 12:28 |
sistpoty | np | 12:28 |
pochu | not found :S | 12:28 |
sistpoty | pochu: then you could try apt-file or the search on packages.ubuntu.com | 12:28 |
pochu | sistpoty: going to try, thanks! | 12:28 |
Hobbsee | apt-cache showsrc foo | 12:29 |
Hobbsee | or just apt-cache madison foo | 12:29 |
Nafallo | Hobbsee: if network-monitor would have been it's own package and not been included in gnome-applets or something like that ;-) | 12:30 |
Hobbsee | Nafallo: it'll give you the binary name, and the source | 12:30 |
Hobbsee | aww darn, it doesnt get it... | 12:30 |
Nafallo | Hobbsee: no, it won't :-) | 12:30 |
Hobbsee | it works if you try with kopete, for eg | 12:31 |
Nafallo | Hobbsee: that's because kopete is included in the kopete package :-) | 12:31 |
Hobbsee | no it's not | 12:31 |
Hobbsee | (not anymore) | 12:31 |
Nafallo | Hobbsee: it's not? :-) | 12:31 |
Hobbsee | yep. i filed the removal request | 12:31 |
Nafallo | Hobbsee: according to my feisty-changes kopete binary package is built from kdenetwork source. | 12:32 |
Nafallo | Hobbsee: so it IS it's own package :-) | 12:33 |
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LaserJock | Hobbsee: removal requests only remove the source packages, the binaries stick around | 12:35 |
Nafallo | Hobbsee: nm-applet binary from the package network-manager-gnome doesn't work with apt-get show nm-applet though :-) | 12:36 |
Adri2000 | http://librarian.launchpad.net/6204008/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-powerpc.amsn_0.96%2Bdfsg1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz < any idea about that? | 12:42 |
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crimsun | poke pitti about it during work hours | 12:44 |
Adri2000 | crimsun: do you think it's a buildd issue? | 12:44 |
crimsun | it may be, I don't have a ppc to try | 12:45 |
sistpoty | well, this looks suspicious: objcopy: Unable to recognise the format of the input file `./usr/share/amsn/utils/Tclxml/libTclxml3.1.so' | 12:45 |
Adri2000 | it also failed and sparc and ia64 but built fine on i386 and amd64 | 12:46 |
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sistpoty | Adri2000: my guess is that the shared object which causes the build to fail is i386... (maybe not getting built but taken from somewhere?) | 12:49 |
Adri2000 | amsn-0.96+dfsg1/utils/Tclxml/libTclxml3.1.so < yes, it's already in the tarball and is probably not built | 12:52 |
sistpoty | Adri2000: hm... and it's not there on amd64 at all | 12:53 |
sistpoty | oops, looking at an older version | 12:54 |
Adri2000 | utils/Tclxml/ doesn't exist in 0.95 | 12:55 |
sistpoty | Adri2000: if you look at clean in rules, there are some shared objects getting removed. maybe adding this one as well is all that's needed to fix building.:wq | 12:58 |
sistpoty | -:wp ;) | 12:58 |
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Adri2000 | yep | 01:01 |
Adri2000 | they are only removed from the source directory, rm -f ./utils/TkCximage/TkCximage.so | 01:02 |
Adri2000 | some are moved from /usr/share/ to /usr/lib/ | 01:03 |
Adri2000 | I'm not sure why the .so is shipped in the tarball | 01:04 |
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ajmitch | because upstream are idiots? | 01:04 |
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sistpoty | lol... what's wrong today? /me is in a bad mood today as well | 01:09 |
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Nafallo | dooh | 01:10 |
ajmitch | sistpoty: we've just been having fun with code at work | 01:10 |
Nafallo | s/siretart/sistpoty/ | 01:10 |
Adri2000 | sistpoty: do you think that if I remove the .so file during the clean rule, it will be recreated for each arch and then it will work? | 01:11 |
sistpoty | Adri2000: just try and see if it's there... if not, it's probably not redistributable (since sources are missing) or the build system is broken | 01:12 |
sistpoty | s/not redistributable/not redistributable in universe/ | 01:12 |
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Adri2000 | sistpoty: no, it's not recreated :( | 01:26 |
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sistpoty | Adri2000: I've done some searching... seems like the shared object is taken from http://tclxml.sourceforge.net/tclxml.html | 01:40 |
sistpoty | Adri2000: which might be in the package tclxml | 01:41 |
sistpoty | Adri2000: so you could simply add a link to usr/lib/Tclxml3.1/libTclxml3.1.so and a hard dependency on it | 01:42 |
sistpoty | (so that would be a little bit hacky, but I wouldn't know how to determine tcl dependencies to a library right now) | 01:43 |
ajmitch | a little bit hacky? | 01:44 |
sistpoty | ajmitch: got a clue how to find out shared library dependencies of tcl-scripts? | 01:45 |
Burgundavia | pochu: ping re: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/75409 | 01:45 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 75409 in compiz "Missing dependency" [Undecided,In progress] | 01:45 |
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pochu | Burgundavia: desktop-effects depends on compiz. compiz depends on compiz-core. compiz-core suggest compiz-gnome or compiz-kde | 01:46 |
pochu | Burgundavia: the fix: compiz-core depends on "compiz-gnome | compiz-kde" | 01:46 |
pochu | right? | 01:46 |
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Burgundavia | pochu: I think so. It wasn't clear exactly what you were doing with that bug | 01:47 |
ajmitch | sistpoty: I don't touch tcl | 01:47 |
sistpoty | hehe | 01:47 |
Burgundavia | I also don't want to step on your toes with compiz | 01:47 |
Nafallo | isn't desktop-effects gnome-specific? :-) | 01:47 |
Burgundavia | Nafallo: desktop-effects is written in pygtk, yes | 01:48 |
Nafallo | maybe it's better to make that depends on compiz-gnome or something? :-) | 01:48 |
Burgundavia | ajmitch: I just realized why Userful installs amsn by default: because it is written in tcl and we love tcl for some cracked reason | 01:48 |
ajmitch | makes perfect sense | 01:49 |
Burgundavia | just like hitting your head against a wall makes perfect sense | 01:49 |
Burgundavia | have i mentioned we have a developer being paid full time to redevelop LTSP? | 01:49 |
ajmitch | makes perfect sense (again) | 01:50 |
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crimsun | is said developer also using beryl? | 01:51 |
Adri2000 | sistpoty: is it really needed to do all that? if I just remove the .so file, it works... | 01:51 |
Burgundavia | crimsun: that would be really crack | 01:52 |
ajmitch | Burgundavia: are you not sad that beryl won't be shipped in feisty by default? | 01:52 |
Burgundavia | ajmitch: not really | 01:52 |
ajmitch | even compiz is broken enough | 01:53 |
Burgundavia | compiz needs more aggressive testing | 01:53 |
crimsun | I'd sad as a moocow :/ | 01:53 |
crimsun | I'm, even | 01:53 |
Burgundavia | they should have turned it on by default as the beginning fo the cycle and let the bug reports flow in | 01:53 |
Nafallo | ajmitch: oh!? it isn't? :-) | 01:53 |
ajmitch | compiz lasts about 30 seconds on my laptop before I get sick of the bugs & turn it off | 01:53 |
crimsun | 30? that's impressive | 01:54 |
sistpoty | Adri2000: well, the shared object is referenced in usr/share/amsn/utils/Tclxml/pkgIndex.tcl... so figuring out if the file says it's needed or rather one of an alternative might give more clues | 01:54 |
ajmitch | at most | 01:54 |
TheMuso | Is there a beryl howto on the wiki? | 01:54 |
crimsun | it makes my desktop immediately unusable after logging in | 01:54 |
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imbrandon | i hoped that died | 01:55 |
crimsun | TheMuso: yeah, beryl-project, or #ubuntu-effects | 01:55 |
ajmitch | imbrandon: we'll stop soon | 01:55 |
Burgundavia | TheMuso: there is a one word wiki: don't | 01:55 |
sistpoty | Adri2000: but I guess if amsn works fine w.o., you could remove it... but please watch out if bugs get reported then ;) | 01:55 |
Burgundavia | apparently it is now in debian, beryl that is | 01:55 |
Burgundavia | anyway, have to run | 01:55 |
ajmitch | imbrandon: I thought you were stocking up on your addictions? | 01:55 |
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ajmitch | heh | 01:56 |
Adri2000 | sistpoty: ok | 01:58 |
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sistpoty | crimsun, StevenK, siretart: can you give me an ack for SRU https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-sid/+bug/82692 ? | 02:10 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 82692 in xmms-sid "[SRU] xmms-sid broken in edgy" [Undecided,Needs info] | 02:10 |
sistpoty | (and please look at the version number, it looks kinda wrong to me, but maybe I'm just tired) | 02:10 |
ajmitch | hm | 02:10 |
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ajmitch | & update a couple of apps I use | 02:11 |
crimsun | sistpoty: acked. | 02:11 |
sistpoty | ajmitch: we need every help we can get ;) | 02:11 |
sistpoty | crimsun: thx | 02:11 |
ajmitch | sistpoty: yeah, zope2.9 has some issues, i think they may be SRU rather than security though | 02:12 |
ajmitch | I have to check them further | 02:12 |
sistpoty | ajmitch: thanks to keescook, -security is moving pretty fast ;) | 02:12 |
ajmitch | bug 80317 | 02:12 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 80317 in zope2.9 "Critical bug in Zope 2.9.5 (Edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/80317 | 02:12 |
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ajmitch | oh well, i can bug you about it for SRU anyway :) | 02:13 |
sistpoty | ajmitch: patch looks sane for SRU ;) | 02:14 |
ajmitch | hah | 02:14 |
ajmitch | I don't think the attached patch was the appropriate fix | 02:14 |
ajmitch | hm no, according to the changelog it was | 02:15 |
sistpoty | well, I can't tell if it was the right fix w.o. looking at logger... but it's sane as in small and unintrusive ;) | 02:16 |
ajmitch | yep | 02:16 |
ajmitch | their bug tracker is just confusing | 02:16 |
ajmitch | & it doesn't help that people were arguing about the fix in another bug | 02:17 |
sistpoty | hehe | 02:18 |
sistpoty | I wonder, if I ever get enough testers for the xmms-sid sru... strange enough I happen to have a large sid collection, but who else does? | 02:20 |
ajmitch | yeah, it could be a problem trying to get testers for universe stuff | 02:21 |
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sistpoty | indeed... and not just for such uncommon packages... maybe asking around in #ubuntu or sending to #ubuntu-users ml might get us some feedback | 02:22 |
ajmitch | or (shudder) the forums | 02:25 |
sistpoty | hehe | 02:25 |
pochu | hey guys: if I've just changed 2 lines in /debian/control, is normally to have a 115KB of diff.gz? | 02:27 |
pochu | (1.4 MB of diff inside the gz) | 02:27 |
pochu | I can't understand it :( | 02:27 |
azeem | well, check what files the diff touches | 02:27 |
azeem | could be autotools are run in the clean target | 02:28 |
sistpoty | pochu: the .diff.gz is always the difference between the orig.tar.gz and the extracted source package... so if it was large before your change it will stay large after the 2-line change | 02:28 |
pochu | sistpoty: ok, thanks! | 02:28 |
pochu | :) | 02:28 |
azeem | eh, that as well | 02:28 |
sistpoty | pochu: if you want a diff between packages, use debdiff <old-dsc-file> <new-dsc-file> | 02:28 |
pochu | sistpoty: I think I don't need a diff :) but thanks anyway | 02:29 |
pochu | could you guys sponsor an upload :) bug 75409 | 02:31 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 75409 in compiz "Missing dependency" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75409 | 02:31 |
geser | the debdiff would be enough | 02:32 |
sistpoty | pochu: ^^ :P | 02:33 |
pochu | do you want the debdiff? | 02:33 |
geser | and even preferable | 02:33 |
pochu | I think sebastien told me that the .dsc and the .diff.gz were enough :) | 02:34 |
pochu | but np :) | 02:34 |
pochu | one minute ;) | 02:34 |
pochu | done :) | 02:40 |
pochu | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/75409 | 02:40 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 75409 in compiz "Missing dependency" [Undecided,In progress] | 02:40 |
TheMuso | bah. Any idea why OpenOffice is not letting me edit a document straight away? If i use the arrow keyso to move up and down, the document scrolls like a web page. | 02:52 |
TheMuso | Any ideas how I change this? | 02:52 |
TheMuso | This is a pretty much fresh install of feisty. | 02:52 |
TheMuso | i.e about two days old. | 02:52 |
pochu | need a sponsor :) any volunteer? :) | 02:55 |
Nafallo | compiz is like crack. I don't even wanna try it :-) | 02:56 |
pochu | :) | 02:57 |
pochu | Nafallo: do you need to test each package you are going to upload, even if they have already been tested? | 02:57 |
Nafallo | yes | 02:58 |
Nafallo | and my development system is dead atm ;-) | 02:58 |
pochu | :) | 02:58 |
pochu | any other MOTU ^_^ | 02:58 |
TheMuso | pochu: Try me again in a week or so. :) | 02:58 |
pochu | hehe | 02:59 |
Nafallo | s/MOTU/crack\ smoker/ :-) | 02:59 |
TheMuso | Still getting comfrotable with trusting my own work that goes up. | 02:59 |
TheMuso | Nafallo: ROFL | 02:59 |
pochu | I can't understand why you play so much with / :S | 02:59 |
pochu | s/blabla/dkjf | 02:59 |
pochu | :) | 02:59 |
TheMuso | Because when one gets used to using sed, it becomes a habbit. :) | 02:59 |
pochu | have you seen bug 83348? | 03:02 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 83348 in gnome-app-install "Need more applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83348 | 03:02 |
pochu | it's pretty annoying :) | 03:02 |
ajmitch | yes, it's humourous | 03:02 |
pochu | :) | 03:02 |
Nafallo | lol | 03:03 |
sistpoty | let's assign it to sabdfl *g* | 03:03 |
pochu | :) | 03:03 |
pochu | we can change the bug number to bug 2 :) | 03:04 |
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Nafallo | s/oa/ou/ | 03:04 |
sistpoty | ok, reassigned :) | 03:05 |
Nafallo | lol | 03:06 |
sistpoty | even more info added :) | 03:09 |
pochu | :) | 03:10 |
pochu | sistpoty: could we also have windows in the gnome-app-shop ;) | 03:10 |
sistpoty | hrhr | 03:11 |
sistpoty | pochu: sure: http://www.degredo.net/ | 03:12 |
ajmitch | heh | 03:12 |
pochu | :) | 03:12 |
ajmitch | sistpoty: naughty sistpoty, giving sabdfl more work to do | 03:12 |
sistpoty | yay, /me is a little bit naughty tonight *g* | 03:12 |
pochu | sistpoty: even better: http://theblog.europe2blog.fr/the_blog/images/vista.jpg | 03:13 |
sistpoty | *g* | 03:13 |
sistpoty | pochu: what do I need to do to get cool effects for kde with compiz? | 03:17 |
pochu | sistpoty: upload my package :) | 03:17 |
pochu | sistpoty: install compiz? | 03:17 |
pochu | :-P | 03:17 |
sistpoty | pochu: I want to test it before uploading (builds fine) | 03:17 |
pochu | sistpoty: moment | 03:18 |
crimsun | you also need steel ribs in case your monitor explodes from all the BLING. | 03:18 |
sistpoty | argl *g* | 03:18 |
pochu | I think "compiz --replace" | 03:18 |
pochu | sistpoty: try that :) | 03:18 |
sistpoty | well, s.th. changed... but no cool effect yet *g* | 03:19 |
sistpoty | oh, and I can't change workspaces any longer *g* | 03:19 |
Nafallo | siretart: cracksmoker! | 03:19 |
sistpoty | -ENOCRACK | 03:19 |
crimsun | (you didn't need workspaces anyhow!) | 03:19 |
Nafallo | dooh | 03:19 |
Nafallo | siretart: that was for sistpoty :-) | 03:19 |
sistpoty | oh, and the decorations are gone | 03:20 |
pochu | sistpoty: those are known issues :) | 03:20 |
pochu | sistpoty: remove ~/.gconf/apps/compiz | 03:20 |
pochu | and restart compiz | 03:20 |
pochu | you will have decorations | 03:20 |
pochu | sistpoty: or enable them in the gconf keys | 03:21 |
pochu | but it's easy to remove the directory ;) | 03:21 |
pochu | there are a lot of bugs with compiz :( | 03:21 |
pochu | and I think most of them are gconf-related :) | 03:21 |
pochu | lol | 03:23 |
pochu | he has crashed :) | 03:23 |
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sistpoty | grml... restart compiz was a bad idea *g* | 03:23 |
pochu | :) | 03:23 |
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Nafallo | siretart: I told you it was crack :-) | 03:23 |
Nafallo | but FFS! | 03:24 |
pochu | sistpoty: did you read me? | 03:24 |
Nafallo | s/ siretart / sistpoty / | 03:24 |
sistpoty | pochu: yep... | 03:24 |
sistpoty | (kvirc's highlight popup still worked, but nothing else) | 03:24 |
pochu | sistpoty: I haven't tested it with kubuntu :( | 03:25 |
sistpoty | pochu: I don't have ~/.gconf/apps/compiz | 03:26 |
pochu | lol | 03:26 |
pochu | oh | 03:26 |
pochu | you are using kde :) | 03:26 |
pochu | gconf is gnome, right? | 03:26 |
sistpoty | yep | 03:26 |
pochu | where does kde save that? | 03:27 |
sistpoty | but I have .gconf still *g* | 03:27 |
pochu | hehe | 03:27 |
pochu | :( | 03:27 |
sistpoty | no idea? where would compiz-kde put it? | 03:27 |
pochu | I've never used kde | 03:27 |
sistpoty | kde saves stuff in .kde | 03:27 |
pochu | gnome rocks :) | 03:27 |
pochu | sistpoty: then look there ;) | 03:27 |
sistpoty | no... in my entire home dir is nothing that's called compiz | 03:27 |
pochu | lol | 03:28 |
pochu | sistpoty: and running compiz crashes your wm? | 03:28 |
TheMuso | FOund my problem. | 03:28 |
TheMuso | For some reason, accessing it over an nfs share makes it behave differently. | 03:28 |
sistpoty | pochu: it doesn't really crash it... stopping compiz crashes it (or makes it pretty useless) | 03:29 |
pochu | stopping compiz? | 03:29 |
pochu | oh! | 03:29 |
pochu | you should stop it with | 03:29 |
pochu | something --replace | 03:29 |
pochu | in gnome it's gtksomething :) | 03:29 |
pochu | one moment ;) | 03:29 |
sistpoty | lol, just like windows... push start to stop windows *g* | 03:29 |
pochu | :) | 03:30 |
sistpoty | ok, I give up on compiz... nothing usable in /usr/share/doc/compiz{-kde}, no man page... | 03:30 |
sistpoty | however it builds and installs fine, so I guess I'll just upload it | 03:31 |
pochu | sistpoty: I think for gnome is this: gtk-window-decorator --replace | 03:31 |
pochu | but don't know for kde... :( | 03:31 |
pochu | could I talk to you guys something offtopic? :) | 03:32 |
pochu | or not here? | 03:32 |
sistpoty | pochu: back to compiz: you shouldn't make changelog entries wider than 80 chars | 03:32 |
pochu | oh, didn't know | 03:33 |
pochu | thanks! | 03:33 |
pochu | sistpoty: could you fix it? | 03:33 |
sistpoty | pochu: sure | 03:33 |
pochu | :) | 03:33 |
pochu | thanks! | 03:33 |
pochu | sistpoty: I shouldn't or I can't? | 03:34 |
ajmitch | shouldn't | 03:35 |
ajmitch | you'll have angry developers calling your house in the middle of the night | 03:36 |
pochu | :) | 03:37 |
sistpoty | ok, now I'm off to bed | 03:42 |
sistpoty | gn8 everyone | 03:42 |
ajmitch | night sistpoty | 03:42 |
LaserJock | darn, I missed sistopty | 03:59 |
pochu | buy guys! | 04:00 |
pochu | see you :) | 04:00 |
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bddebian | Heya | 04:04 |
LaserJock | woot! Colts kicked butt :-) | 04:07 |
bddebian | :'-( | 04:08 |
bddebian | LaserJock: I almost have a present for you :-) | 04:08 |
LaserJock | exciting | 04:08 |
LaserJock | I somehow feel bad about the Bears losing | 04:09 |
bddebian | They deserved though after that fiasco :-( | 04:09 |
TheMuso | Bah! Thats not football!! | 04:09 |
LaserJock | of course it is ;-) | 04:10 |
TheMuso | The only game that can be called football is the world game! | 04:10 |
TheMuso | Known here as soccer. | 04:10 |
LaserJock | heh | 04:10 |
bddebian | Oh, you mean SOCCER? :) | 04:10 |
LaserJock | America==World ;-) | 04:10 |
TheMuso | Ummm. I think not. | 04:11 |
LaserJock | darn | 04:12 |
ajmitch | TheMuso: don't shatter their little illusions | 04:12 |
TheMuso | ajmitch: hahaha | 04:13 |
LaserJock | heh | 04:14 |
LaserJock | no illusions, I just think it was dumb to have 2 different sports named the same | 04:15 |
LaserJock | football seems to fit soccer better | 04:16 |
LaserJock | you mostly throw the ball in our football | 04:16 |
bddebian | traitor | 04:16 |
LaserJock | sorry bddebian | 04:16 |
LaserJock | it just seems more logical | 04:16 |
LaserJock | but I don't know what we'd call football | 04:16 |
LaserJock | "the game formerly known as football" | 04:17 |
bddebian | oblongball | 04:17 |
zul | ill merge xen-tools tomorrow.. | 04:20 |
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LaserJock | you guys know of any issues with terminals just becoming unresponsive? | 05:04 |
TheMuso | Nope. | 05:05 |
crimsun | "terminals" being...? | 05:05 |
LaserJock | gnome-terminal or konsole | 05:05 |
crimsun | sure, I have [out of my own stupidity] | 05:05 |
LaserJock | when I ssh places sometimes it just freezes | 05:05 |
LaserJock | crimsun: what was your stupidity? perhaps I'm being stupid and don't even know it ;-) | 05:08 |
crimsun | ^s | 05:08 |
LaserJock | hmm, I have done that before | 05:10 |
LaserJock | but I don't know think that has been the issue lately | 05:10 |
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ScottK | The only time I've had terminals freeze is if I reboot a remote server via SSH and don't manage to log out before it goes down. I've had the get VERY slow when trying to SSH through a high latency/packet loss connection. | 05:14 |
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LaserJock | hmm, well that's odd | 05:16 |
Burgundavia | LaserJock: freezing is often a hardware issue | 05:30 |
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LaserJock | Burgundavia: but it's only the terminal and I can open up a new tab and it's fine | 05:46 |
TheMuso | c | 05:55 |
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zakame | afternoon MOTUs | 06:30 |
LaserJock | hi zakame | 06:37 |
zakame | hi LaserJock, merging wxwindows2.4 now :) | 06:38 |
TheMuso | Hey zakame | 06:40 |
zakame | yo TheMuso :D | 06:41 |
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joejaxx | well that was interesting | 06:58 |
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LaserJock | joejaxx: hi | 07:35 |
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joejaxx | LaserJock: hello | 07:37 |
joejaxx | LaserJock: how are you today? | 07:37 |
LaserJock | oh, I'm doing | 07:44 |
joejaxx | that is good | 07:44 |
LaserJock | somehow I need like a 1 month vacation | 07:44 |
joejaxx | yeah i feel that way sometimes as well | 07:45 |
ajmitch | only 1 month? | 07:50 |
joejaxx | ajmitch: :P | 07:53 |
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LaserJock | ajmitch: I'd get bored after too long | 07:59 |
LaserJock | wow, interesting comments in -devel | 08:00 |
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TheMuso | ooooo threatening. | 08:02 |
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ajmitch | from such a *tough* nick, too | 08:04 |
TheMuso | haha | 08:04 |
TheMuso | and he was k-lined too. | 08:04 |
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TheMuso | Something to do with kicked I *think*. | 08:05 |
ajmitch | "ill get my uncle after you" is such a show of strength ;) | 08:05 |
tepsipakki | yep.. there are times when I'm proud of being Finnish :P | 08:07 |
ajmitch | heh | 08:07 |
joejaxx | lol | 08:07 |
TheMuso | haha | 08:08 |
joejaxx | wow haha | 08:09 |
joejaxx | i maxed on 1.25GB of ram | 08:09 |
ajmitch | using up 1.25GB of RAM is quite easy | 08:11 |
joejaxx | yeah but that is all the ram i have :P | 08:11 |
joejaxx | mostly everything is swapping now | 08:11 |
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joejaxx | :P | 08:13 |
joejaxx | how much ram do you have total? | 08:13 |
ajmitch | in the desktop? 4GB | 08:13 |
TheMuso | wow | 08:13 |
joejaxx | nice | 08:13 |
ajmitch | laptop runs with 1GB RAM, 1GB swap | 08:13 |
joejaxx | too bad this laptop does not take 4gb | 08:13 |
ajmitch | yeah, mine will only take 2GB | 08:14 |
zakame | cool | 08:14 |
ajmitch | but I haven't needed to upgrade it | 08:14 |
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crimsun | sweet. | 08:53 |
crimsun | crimsun@garnish:/media/disk/crimsun/git/ubuntu-2.6$ git branch -D hda-fixes | 08:53 |
crimsun | Deleted branch hda-fixes. | 08:53 |
Fujitsu | ... sweet? | 08:55 |
Fujitsu | How is it a good thing that you deleted that? | 08:55 |
Fujitsu | Is it all merged? | 08:55 |
crimsun | yep. | 08:56 |
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Fujitsu | Yay :) | 08:56 |
Fujitsu | Very good! | 08:56 |
Fujitsu | crimsun saves the world (of sound) yet again. | 08:56 |
crimsun | well, I still have a few thousand lines for Realtek HDA, but I'm not terribly worried | 08:57 |
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cbx33 | is the fact that oodraw not having any desktop icon fixed in feisty? | 10:03 |
cbx33 | and oo math | 10:03 |
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Adri2000 | hi \sh | 10:44 |
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Adri2000 | \sh: you always forget the "s" when you change the Maintainer field, it's Ubuntu MOTU DeveloperS | 10:47 |
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Adri2000 | \sh: and authbind is in main | 10:48 |
\sh | Adri2000: arg... | 10:48 |
\sh | looks like that my train travel fcked up my brain ;) | 10:49 |
StevenK | Adri2000: \sh is trying to deny the existance of the rest of us. :-P | 10:49 |
Adri2000 | :p | 10:49 |
StevenK | "What? I'm the only MOTU!" etc etc | 10:49 |
\sh | StevenK: lol | 10:50 |
\sh | Adri2000: changin my mistake | 10:50 |
\sh | fix uploaded authbind ;) | 10:52 |
Adri2000 | :) | 10:52 |
\sh | StevenK: The "s" from DeveloperS is not on my way of my fingers sometimes ;) I'll take more attention next time ;) | 10:53 |
StevenK | Heh | 10:53 |
\sh | time for a cigarette | 10:54 |
Tonio_ | hi, I uploaded kdepim on friday afternoon, upload is still in the queue, is there a reason for this ? | 10:55 |
Tonio_ | sorry wrong channel.... | 10:55 |
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Adri2000 | btw, are we sure *how* we should change the maintainer field or still not? | 10:58 |
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TheMuso | Adri2000: IMO it makes sense. I am not changing all packages I upload however, as there are packages that I myself am happy to maintain, as I know how they work, are packaged, and am in contact with upstream for them. | 11:08 |
Adri2000 | TheMuso: you mean the 0ubuntuX packages (not in debian) you packaged and maintain in ubuntu? | 11:10 |
TheMuso | Adri2000: No, not only those. There are packages that are in Debian that I am happy to maintain in universe, as I'm contact with the debian maintainer and upstream anyway. | 11:11 |
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Adri2000 | ok | 11:12 |
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StevenK | geser: GAH! *Don't* run scons in the clean target! | 01:13 |
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geser | StevenK: it's already in the Debian package | 01:13 |
StevenK | Then file a nastygram, it's wrong. | 01:13 |
StevenK | Just because the Debian package does something dumb doesn't mean we have to. | 01:14 |
geser | what to call instead? | 01:14 |
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StevenK | I hope upstream didn't write debian/rules | 01:14 |
StevenK | geser: Why do you need to call scons anyway? | 01:15 |
geser | it looks like xmms2 is using scons instead make | 01:16 |
StevenK | I figured that, but why does it need to call it in the clean target? | 01:16 |
geser | shouldn't be something like "make clean" be called in the clean target? | 01:17 |
StevenK | Yes, but only if you can do so without invoking something like ./configure | 01:18 |
StevenK | Where's Fujitsu when you want him? He can quote about this stuff. | 01:18 |
geser | don't ask me why scons does a configure before it removes files | 01:20 |
StevenK | Probably because it hasn't been run before. | 01:20 |
geser | but how does this explains why scons can't find a c compiler? | 01:20 |
StevenK | It doesn't, but I thought I'd try. Which I can't reproduce. | 01:20 |
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Nafallo | -ENOFUJITSU | 01:26 |
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highvoltage | 5675445 | 01:50 |
Nafallo | ehrm | 01:50 |
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fernando | hi all, how to use dbootstrap with a proxy auth? | 02:37 |
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bddebian | Heya gang | 03:38 |
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isaric | A hope for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4238 is possible ? | 04:07 |
bddebian | I'll try to get to it in a little bit | 04:08 |
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nixternal | boo | 04:13 |
isaric | thanks | 04:13 |
bddebian | Heya nixternal | 04:15 |
nixternal | well howdy | 04:16 |
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gnomefreak | whats with the 3 updates for l-r-m and nvidia-glx? im getting kind of scared to restart X seeing all them | 04:40 |
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bddebian | If I repack the upstream tarball, am I supposed to give it some version identifying so? i.e. foo_1.0+REPACKED-0ubuntu1 or some such? | 04:50 |
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gimmiedacash | how do I get privoxy from feisty in edgy? the privoxy version in edgy is several years old | 05:36 |
bddebian | Do I just need to chmod +x on the following lintian warning?: | 05:41 |
bddebian | W: bibus: script-not-executable ./usr/share/bibus/CodecChoice.py | 05:41 |
slomo | bddebian: or remove the #! from the file | 05:50 |
slomo | bddebian: depending on whether it is meant to be executed directly or is only imported somewhere else | 05:50 |
bddebian | slomo: Thx | 05:50 |
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somerville32 | I'm doing an SRU and the current package version is 6.05.5. Should I make it 6.05.6 or 6.05.5.1 ? | 06:28 |
geser | somerville32: no debian revision? | 06:29 |
somerville32 | I think this is what we would call a native package | 06:30 |
somerville32 | It is xubuntu-docs | 06:30 |
giskard | imbrandon, ping | 06:30 |
geser | somerville32: 6.05.5ubuntu0.1 | 06:30 |
geser | that's a native package | 06:30 |
geser | but on the other hand it's an ubuntu-only package, hmm | 06:31 |
geser | I guess 6.05.5.1 would be also ok | 06:32 |
somerville32 | Ok :) | 06:33 |
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geser | somerville32: you might want to ask pitti or cjwatson | 06:35 |
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rexbron | hey, after a package has been accepted and built, how long until it is in the repos | 07:33 |
rexbron | ? | 07:33 |
geser | for already known packages till the next publisher run which is iirc once an hour | 07:34 |
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geser | new binary packages need to go through archive admins | 07:35 |
rexbron | ok | 07:36 |
bddebian | Laser_away: If you get a minute: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4256 | 07:36 |
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geser | bddebian: shouldn't be the version 1.3.0-0ubuntu1 instead of 1.3.0-1ubuntu1? | 07:40 |
bddebian | Gah, yes | 07:40 |
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geser | bddebian: looks like if it's enough if bibus build-depends on python-all (without the -dev) | 08:16 |
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LaserJock | bddebian: still around? | 08:17 |
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DktrKranz | hi guys | 08:18 |
DktrKranz | a user suffers from bug 83457 | 08:18 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 83457 in python2.5 "python2.5-minimal_2.5ubutnu5 fails to install in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83457 | 08:18 |
DktrKranz | it seems latest update of python2.5 breaks something | 08:19 |
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ScottK | DktrKranz: You might ask in #ubuntu+1 as that channel is focuse on Feisty. Python is not a Universe package, so this probably isn't the best place to be asking. | 08:25 |
DktrKranz | thanks ScottK ;) | 08:26 |
_Enchained | Hi | 08:29 |
_Enchained | if I make a package with newer version than the one on revu, what should we do ? archive the older and uplaod the newer ? | 08:30 |
LaserJock | did you upload the original one? | 08:31 |
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Adri2000 | _Enchained: just upload, nothing else to do | 08:34 |
_Enchained | it's a new release | 08:35 |
_Enchained | v1.2 to 1.2 | 08:35 |
LaserJock | Adri2000: if the original was uploaded by somebody else he should talk to them first | 08:35 |
LaserJock | _Enchained: but did you upload 1.2? | 08:35 |
_Enchained | no | 08:35 |
_Enchained | 1.1 to 1.2 sorry | 08:35 |
_Enchained | I've maked the 1.1 version | 08:35 |
_Enchained | and now it's 1.2 | 08:36 |
LaserJock | ok, then maybe email the person that uploaded 1.1 to see if they were working on it | 08:36 |
_Enchained | it's me ;) | 08:36 |
_Enchained | As I won't work on 1.1 again, it could be deleted no ? | 08:37 |
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LaserJock | _Enchained: argg, I asked you before if you were the one who uploaded it and you said no | 08:37 |
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_Enchained | ^^ I said no for "did you upload 1.2" ;) | 08:38 |
LaserJock | and you told me 1.2 was the old version ;-) | 08:38 |
LaserJock | just upload the new version | 08:38 |
_Enchained | I restart : | 08:39 |
giskard | imbrandon, ping | 08:39 |
_Enchained | I've uploaded 1.1 version on revu | 08:39 |
_Enchained | the package was rejected | 08:40 |
_Enchained | After talking to upstream to solve problems | 08:40 |
_Enchained | He has released a new version 1.2 | 08:40 |
_Enchained | with corrections | 08:40 |
_Enchained | etc | 08:40 |
Adri2000 | (was rejected from the NEW queue) | 08:40 |
_Enchained | yes Adri2000 | 08:40 |
_Enchained | so there is no version of this software actually | 08:41 |
_Enchained | I just upload the new version ? | 08:41 |
Adri2000 | yep :) | 08:41 |
LaserJock | yes, you can upload right over the old package | 08:42 |
LaserJock | I just wanted to make sure you weren't hijacking somebody else's package without them knowing about it(which happens sometimes) | 08:43 |
crimsun | just make sure you hijack all of the scientific packages | 08:43 |
LaserJock | :-) | 08:43 |
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_Enchained | in fact someone already maked an "unofficial" package for edgy | 08:47 |
_Enchained | but I think it doesn't matter | 08:47 |
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LaserJock | too bad they didn't put it on REVU | 08:47 |
TheMuso | Hey MOTUs. | 08:48 |
LaserJock | hi TheMuso | 08:48 |
LaserJock | gonna upload something today? :-) | 08:49 |
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TheMuso | probably, once I sort out the stability of one of my boxes. | 08:50 |
TheMuso | I THink maybe something is on the way out in it. | 08:50 |
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stgraber | Anyone knows how I'm supposed to package a java software ? | 08:56 |
somerville32 | stgraber, You could look at an example. | 08:58 |
LaserJock | like beyond just any old package? | 08:59 |
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zachtib | hi, i emailed the mailing list about getting a package synced, and i followed the directions, but I'm having some trouble | 09:18 |
LaserJock | what's the trouble? | 09:18 |
zachtib | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/83462 << that's the bug i filed, but someone said "you need a developer to ACK your sync first" and i don't know what they mean | 09:19 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 83462 in Ubuntu "Sync Deluge 0.4.1 into Feisty" [Undecided,Needs info] | 09:19 |
LaserJock | zachtib: ah, that just means you need to get a MOTU (Ubuntu Universe Developer) to OK the sync | 09:20 |
LaserJock | it's just so we can weed out bad requests before they go to the archive admins | 09:20 |
zachtib | ok, makes sense. its a very minor change, i only put out 0.4.1 so that it would make it into feisty. basically, just a clean source tarball and better menu entries, | 09:21 |
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LaserJock | k, I'll have a look and approve ACK it ok? | 09:22 |
zachtib | ok, thanks | 09:22 |
LaserJock | zachtib: in the future you don't want to subscribe the ubuntu-archive right away, but subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors | 09:23 |
LaserJock | sorry for the confusion there | 09:24 |
zachtib | LaserJock: ok, i was just going by the wiki page | 09:24 |
LaserJock | yeah, I know | 09:24 |
LaserJock | it's written from the perspective of a dev filing the sync request | 09:24 |
LaserJock | so it should be clearer on what to do for non-devs | 09:25 |
zachtib | gotcha | 09:25 |
ScottK | LaserJock: If I edit the page, will you review it to make sure I got it right? | 09:25 |
LaserJock | ScottK: the sync page? | 09:25 |
ScottK | Yeah | 09:25 |
Adri2000 | zachtib: also I forgot to say that you need to assign the bug to the package deluge-torrent ;) | 09:25 |
ScottK | To make it clearer for non-devs. | 09:26 |
Adri2000 | good idea schultmc | 09:26 |
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Adri2000 | good idea ScottK | 09:26 |
zachtib | Adri2000: yeah, i forgot how to assign a package after i submitted it. i realized that about 2 sec after i sent it | 09:26 |
Adri2000 | (sorry schultmc) | 09:26 |
schultmc | heh | 09:26 |
schultmc | np | 09:26 |
LaserJock | ScottK: sure | 09:28 |
ScottK | OK | 09:28 |
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ScottK | If you want a main package synched and are not a dev, who do you subscribe to the bug? | 09:28 |
LaserJock | I *think* ubuntu-sponsors | 09:29 |
Adri2000 | ubuntu-main-sponsors | 09:29 |
ScottK | Thanks. | 09:29 |
crimsun | ugg, more spam. | 09:29 |
LaserJock | Adri2000: ah yeah, that's the one | 09:29 |
LaserJock | crimsun: better then getting yelled at by ubuntu-archive | 09:30 |
LaserJock | I think :-) | 09:30 |
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ScottK | LaserJock: Updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess - I have to run and pick up #2 daughter from school, but if needed will fix anything when I get back (~30 min). | 09:38 |
LaserJock | k, thanks | 09:38 |
LaserJock | ScottK: looks ok to me, mdz can spiff it up if he likes | 09:39 |
bddebian | OK, what have I missed? :-) | 09:44 |
LaserJock | nothing | 09:45 |
bddebian | Where do NEW binaries sit after they build successfuly? | 09:45 |
LaserJock | nothing can happen when you are gone | 09:45 |
bddebian | LaserJock: Did you check out REVU? :) | 09:45 |
LaserJock | bddebian: not quite yet, just a brief glance | 09:45 |
Adri2000 | ScottK: Fix released is set by the archive admin. once you have filed the sync request (and once u-u-s have acked it, if you are not a developer), you don't need to do anything else | 09:45 |
bddebian | But you saw what it was? | 09:45 |
LaserJock | they go to the NEW queue again for approval | 09:45 |
LaserJock | bddebian: yes, I did, thank you very much | 09:45 |
bddebian | LaserJock: It's hideous packaging but it does seem to work | 09:46 |
bddebian | do be do be doo | 09:50 |
bddebian | Do we have any wiki page on using the merge script? | 09:55 |
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ScottK | Adri2000: Are you sure. So far on the one's I've done the archive admins have just set Fix Committed. IIRC, I was told (here or via e-mail by an archive admin, not sure) that I was supposed to mark it released after it built. | 09:58 |
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Adri2000 | ScottK: really? bug number of this sync request? | 09:59 |
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LaserJock | ScottK: we often do that for MOTU sponsorships, I'm not sure what ubuntu-archive does | 10:00 |
LaserJock | I think pitti marks them Fix Released | 10:00 |
ScottK | OK. | 10:00 |
ScottK | Maybe I should change it to "if the archive marks if fix committed, then you should..." | 10:01 |
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_Enchained | hay bddebian | 10:02 |
_Enchained | (do you want some work ? :p) | 10:02 |
ScottK | Adri2000 and LaserJock - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess - better? | 10:03 |
bddebian | Heya _Enchained | 10:04 |
_Enchained | bddebian: when you can, take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4229 :) | 10:05 |
_Enchained | plz | 10:05 |
LaserJock | ScottK: seems ok to me | 10:07 |
ScottK | Thanks. | 10:07 |
LaserJock | zachtib: I've given the OK for your sync request, now you can just wait for the archive admins to do their magic :-) | 10:08 |
zachtib | LaserJock: tyvm | 10:08 |
ScottK | zachtib: Would you please look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess - I've revised it - and see if it makes sense to you... | 10:09 |
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LaserJock | zachtib: np, thanks for getting ahold of us and filing the bug | 10:09 |
zachtib | ScottK: yeah, looks good | 10:09 |
ScottK | Thanks. | 10:10 |
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sistpoty | hi folks | 10:11 |
_Enchained | LaserJock: the new versionis on revu if you want to look at : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4258 | 10:12 |
_Enchained | version* | 10:13 |
LaserJock | hi sistpoty | 10:13 |
sistpoty | hi LaserJock | 10:13 |
bddebian | Heya sistpoty | 10:13 |
sistpoty | hi bddebian | 10:13 |
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bddebian | _Enchained: The .deb is pretty much empty..?? | 10:16 |
_Enchained | bddebian: Oo I look at it | 10:16 |
_Enchained | working on dvd95 ATM | 10:17 |
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Adri2000 | LaserJock: archive admins won't be happy with #83462 because the changelog is missing | 10:20 |
LaserJock | bah | 10:22 |
ajmitch | hi all | 10:24 |
sistpoty | hi ajmitch | 10:24 |
_Enchained | hi ajmitch | 10:24 |
somerville32 | hi ajmitch | 10:24 |
ScottK | bddebian: Did you get a chance to look at Bug #83176? It's you favorite package all over again... | 10:25 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 83176 in courier "courier: merge new debian version 0.53.3-4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83176 | 10:25 |
LaserJock | Adri2000: fine, added | 10:25 |
LaserJock | hi ajmitch | 10:25 |
bddebian | ScottK: No, I'm hiding | 10:27 |
ScottK | Should be the same as the last one. The new update just adds a few translations. | 10:27 |
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TheMuso | Hey all. | 10:34 |
geser | LaserJock: could you add bug 36586 to your list of malone bugs? it would make it easier for ubuntu-universe-sponsors to find out which source package that bug/mail belongs to | 10:34 |
Ubugtu | Malone bug 36586 in malone "please mention the source package in bug mails" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36586 | 10:34 |
TheMuso | ...again | 10:34 |
sistpoty | hi TheMuso | 10:35 |
ajmitch | geser: about the best we have the is source package in the mail headers | 10:35 |
TheMuso | Anybody working on mini-dinstall? | 10:36 |
TheMuso | or is that a fakesync etc? | 10:37 |
LaserJock | geser: I thought I had that one already, looks like I didn't | 10:38 |
LaserJock | geser: as ajmitch said, they seem to think having it in the header is "good enough" | 10:38 |
geser | TheMuso: from http://merges.ubuntu.com/m/mini-dinstall/mini-dinstall_0.6.21ubuntu2.patch I'd say it's a fakesync | 10:38 |
LaserJock | it still bugs me though... | 10:39 |
sistpoty | LaserJock: bugs me as well | 10:39 |
LaserJock | it's kinda weird to have to turn on "all headers" or something just to figure out what package a bug belongs too | 10:39 |
LaserJock | especially when pitti renames the bugs to "Fixed" or something | 10:39 |
bddebian | Heya ajmitch | 10:40 |
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TheMuso | geser: Right I thought so. | 10:40 |
bddebian | Gaaah freakin' kbd-chooser | 10:40 |
sistpoty | yay... I want to know the source package as the first thing of a bug mail... it's easier to open the bug link than to browse through the headers to get this info. | 10:41 |
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sistpoty | bddebian: seems like noone wants to touch it *g* | 10:41 |
bddebian | sistpoty: I'm trying but it's hideous :-( | 10:41 |
geser | in most cases I'm to lazy look for the X-Launchpad header and prefer to open the url instead | 10:42 |
LaserJock | geser: added, thanks | 10:42 |
bddebian | I actually asked for a syn early on ;-) | 10:42 |
bddebian | Err sync even | 10:42 |
sistpoty | bddebian: cool, great :) | 10:42 |
bddebian | And cjwatsin said no freakin way | 10:42 |
TheMuso | bddebian: hahaha | 10:44 |
geser | bddebian: I think nobody wants to touch it because it in the d-i section | 10:44 |
_Enchained | Adri2000: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4259 | 10:44 |
sistpoty | is it still used anywhere? | 10:44 |
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_Enchained | bddebian: I found the problem on greycstoration : I've changed the binary package name to "gimp-greycstoration" in debian/control (like gpocentek said), and then the deb doesn't content any file... | 10:48 |
_Enchained | do you know why ?... | 10:48 |
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_Enchained | sorry, I just found my error (in rules) | 10:49 |
_Enchained | :) | 10:49 |
bddebian | _Enchained: ... :-) | 10:49 |
_Enchained | (I hadn't changed the destination directory in rules...) | 10:50 |
_Enchained | :s | 10:50 |
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_Enchained | bddebian: better :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4260 | 10:55 |
_Enchained | (and dvd95 is updated too ;) ) | 10:55 |
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_Enchained | bddebian: thanks for you review | 11:29 |
bddebian | NP | 11:29 |
_Enchained | there is also Ooodi2 if you want lol | 11:30 |
_Enchained | http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4142 | 11:30 |
_Enchained | I d'ont know if all is ok... | 11:30 |
_Enchained | I modified a bit the standard installation | 11:30 |
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bddebian | Later folks | 11:53 |
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