[12:17] <TheMuso> Gah this synth is laggy.
[12:22] <TheMuso> Hobbsee!
[12:26] <Hobbsee> hey TheMuso!
[12:27] <pochu> do you know to which package network-monitor belongs?
[12:27] <sistpoty> pochu: dpkg -S is your friend ;)
[12:27] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee:
[12:27] <Hobbsee> hey sistpoty :)
[12:27] <pochu> sistpoty: I have enough friends ;)
[12:28] <pochu> thanks :)
[12:28] <sistpoty> np
[12:28] <pochu> not found :S
[12:28] <sistpoty> pochu: then you could try apt-file or the search on packages.ubuntu.com
[12:28] <pochu> sistpoty: going to try, thanks!
[12:29] <Hobbsee> apt-cache showsrc foo
[12:29] <Hobbsee> or just apt-cache madison foo
[12:30] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: if network-monitor would have been it's own package and not been included in gnome-applets or something like that ;-)
[12:30] <Hobbsee> Nafallo: it'll give you the binary name, and the source
[12:30] <Hobbsee> aww darn, it doesnt get it...
[12:30] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: no, it won't :-)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> it works if you try with kopete, for eg
[12:31] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: that's because kopete is included in the kopete package :-)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> no it's not
[12:31] <Hobbsee> (not anymore)
[12:31] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: it's not? :-)
[12:31] <Hobbsee> yep.  i filed the removal request
[12:32] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: according to my feisty-changes kopete binary package is built from kdenetwork source.
[12:33] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: so it IS it's own package :-)
[12:35] <LaserJock> Hobbsee: removal requests only remove the source packages, the binaries stick around
[12:36] <Nafallo> Hobbsee: nm-applet binary from the package network-manager-gnome doesn't work with apt-get show nm-applet though :-)
[12:42] <Adri2000> http://librarian.launchpad.net/6204008/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-powerpc.amsn_0.96%2Bdfsg1-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz < any idea about that?
[12:44] <crimsun> poke pitti about it during work hours
[12:44] <Adri2000> crimsun: do you think it's a buildd issue?
[12:45] <crimsun> it may be, I don't have a ppc to try
[12:45] <sistpoty> well, this looks suspicious: objcopy: Unable to recognise the format of the input file `./usr/share/amsn/utils/Tclxml/libTclxml3.1.so'
[12:46] <Adri2000> it also failed and sparc and ia64 but built fine on i386 and amd64
[12:49] <sistpoty> Adri2000: my guess is that the shared object which causes the build to fail is i386... (maybe not getting built but taken from somewhere?)
[12:52] <Adri2000> amsn-0.96+dfsg1/utils/Tclxml/libTclxml3.1.so < yes, it's already in the tarball and is probably not built
[12:53] <sistpoty> Adri2000: hm... and it's not there on amd64 at all
[12:54] <sistpoty> oops, looking at an older version
[12:55] <Adri2000> utils/Tclxml/ doesn't exist in 0.95
[12:58] <sistpoty> Adri2000: if you look at clean in rules, there are some shared objects getting removed. maybe adding this one as well is all that's needed to fix building.:wq
[12:58] <sistpoty> -:wp ;)
[01:01] <Adri2000> yep
[01:02] <Adri2000> they are only removed from the source directory, rm -f ./utils/TkCximage/TkCximage.so
[01:03] <Adri2000> some are moved from /usr/share/ to /usr/lib/
[01:04] <Adri2000> I'm not sure why the .so is shipped in the tarball
[01:04] <ajmitch> because upstream are idiots?
[01:09] <sistpoty> lol... what's wrong today? /me is in a bad mood today as well
[01:10] <Nafallo> dooh
[01:10] <ajmitch> sistpoty: we've just been having fun with code at work
[01:10] <Nafallo> s/siretart/sistpoty/
[01:11] <Adri2000> sistpoty: do you think that if I remove the .so file during the clean rule, it will be recreated for each arch and then it will work?
[01:12] <sistpoty> Adri2000: just try and see if it's there... if not, it's probably not redistributable (since sources are missing) or the build system is broken
[01:12] <sistpoty> s/not redistributable/not redistributable in universe/
[01:26] <Adri2000> sistpoty: no, it's not recreated :(
[01:40] <sistpoty> Adri2000: I've done some searching... seems like the shared object is taken from http://tclxml.sourceforge.net/tclxml.html
[01:41] <sistpoty> Adri2000: which might be in the package tclxml
[01:42] <sistpoty> Adri2000: so you could simply add a link to usr/lib/Tclxml3.1/libTclxml3.1.so and a hard dependency on it
[01:43] <sistpoty> (so that would be a little bit hacky, but I wouldn't know how to determine tcl dependencies to a library right now)
[01:44] <ajmitch> a little bit hacky?
[01:45] <sistpoty> ajmitch: got a clue how to find out shared library dependencies of tcl-scripts?
[01:45] <Burgundavia> pochu: ping re: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/75409
[01:45] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75409 in compiz "Missing dependency" [Undecided,In progress]  
[01:46] <pochu> Burgundavia: desktop-effects depends on compiz. compiz depends on compiz-core. compiz-core suggest compiz-gnome or compiz-kde
[01:46] <pochu> Burgundavia: the fix: compiz-core depends on "compiz-gnome | compiz-kde"
[01:46] <pochu> right?
[01:47] <Burgundavia> pochu: I think so. It wasn't clear exactly what you were doing with that bug
[01:47] <ajmitch> sistpoty: I don't touch tcl
[01:47] <sistpoty> hehe
[01:47] <Burgundavia> I also don't want to step on your toes with compiz
[01:47] <Nafallo> isn't desktop-effects gnome-specific? :-)
[01:48] <Burgundavia> Nafallo: desktop-effects is written in pygtk, yes
[01:48] <Nafallo> maybe it's better to make that depends on compiz-gnome or something? :-)
[01:48] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: I just realized why Userful installs amsn by default: because it is written in tcl and we love tcl for some cracked reason
[01:49] <ajmitch> makes perfect sense
[01:49] <Burgundavia> just like hitting your head against a wall makes perfect sense
[01:49] <Burgundavia> have i mentioned we have a developer being paid full time to redevelop LTSP?
[01:50] <ajmitch> makes perfect sense (again)
[01:51] <crimsun> is said developer also using beryl?
[01:51] <Adri2000> sistpoty: is it really needed to do all that? if I just remove the .so file, it works...
[01:52] <Burgundavia> crimsun: that would be really crack
[01:52] <ajmitch> Burgundavia: are you not sad that beryl won't be shipped in feisty by default?
[01:52] <Burgundavia> ajmitch: not really
[01:53] <ajmitch> even compiz is broken enough
[01:53] <Burgundavia> compiz needs more aggressive testing
[01:53] <crimsun> I'd sad as a moocow :/
[01:53] <crimsun> I'm, even
[01:53] <Burgundavia> they should have turned it on by default as the beginning fo the cycle and let the bug reports flow in
[01:53] <Nafallo> ajmitch: oh!? it isn't? :-)
[01:53] <ajmitch> compiz lasts about 30 seconds on my laptop before I get sick of the bugs & turn it off
[01:54] <crimsun> 30? that's impressive
[01:54] <sistpoty> Adri2000: well, the shared object is referenced in usr/share/amsn/utils/Tclxml/pkgIndex.tcl... so figuring out if the file says it's needed or rather one of an alternative might give more clues
[01:54] <ajmitch> at most
[01:54] <TheMuso> Is there a beryl howto on the wiki?
[01:54] <crimsun> it makes my desktop immediately unusable after logging in
[01:55] <imbrandon> i hoped that died
[01:55] <crimsun> TheMuso: yeah, beryl-project, or #ubuntu-effects
[01:55] <ajmitch> imbrandon: we'll stop soon
[01:55] <Burgundavia> TheMuso: there is a one word wiki: don't
[01:55] <sistpoty> Adri2000: but I guess if amsn works fine w.o., you could remove it... but please watch out if bugs get reported then ;)
[01:55] <Burgundavia> apparently it is now in debian, beryl that is
[01:55] <Burgundavia> anyway, have to run
[01:55] <ajmitch> imbrandon: I thought you were stocking up on your addictions?
[01:56] <ajmitch> heh
[01:58] <Adri2000> sistpoty: ok
[02:10] <sistpoty> crimsun, StevenK, siretart: can you give me an ack for SRU https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmms-sid/+bug/82692 ?
[02:10] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82692 in xmms-sid "[SRU]  xmms-sid broken in edgy" [Undecided,Needs info]  
[02:10] <sistpoty> (and please look at the version number, it looks kinda wrong to me, but maybe I'm just tired)
[02:10] <ajmitch> hm
[02:11] <ajmitch> & update a couple of apps I use
[02:11] <crimsun> sistpoty: acked.
[02:11] <sistpoty> ajmitch: we need every help we can get ;)
[02:11] <sistpoty> crimsun: thx
[02:12] <ajmitch> sistpoty: yeah, zope2.9 has some issues, i think they may be SRU rather than security though
[02:12] <ajmitch> I have to check them further
[02:12] <sistpoty> ajmitch: thanks to keescook, -security is moving pretty fast ;)
[02:12] <ajmitch> bug 80317
[02:12] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 80317 in zope2.9 "Critical bug in Zope 2.9.5 (Edgy)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/80317
[02:13] <ajmitch> oh well, i can bug you about it for SRU anyway :)
[02:14] <sistpoty> ajmitch: patch looks sane for SRU ;)
[02:14] <ajmitch> hah
[02:14] <ajmitch> I don't think the attached patch was the appropriate fix
[02:15] <ajmitch> hm no, according to the changelog it was
[02:16] <sistpoty> well, I can't tell if it was the right fix w.o. looking at logger... but it's sane as in small and unintrusive ;)
[02:16] <ajmitch> yep
[02:16] <ajmitch> their bug tracker is just confusing
[02:17] <ajmitch> & it doesn't help that people were arguing about the fix in another bug
[02:18] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:20] <sistpoty> I wonder, if I ever get enough testers for the xmms-sid sru... strange enough I happen to have a large sid collection, but who else does?
[02:21] <ajmitch> yeah, it could be a problem trying to get testers for universe stuff
[02:22] <sistpoty> indeed... and not just for such uncommon packages... maybe asking around in #ubuntu or sending to #ubuntu-users ml might get us some feedback
[02:25] <ajmitch> or (shudder) the forums
[02:25] <sistpoty> hehe
[02:27] <pochu> hey guys: if I've just changed 2 lines in /debian/control, is normally to have a 115KB of diff.gz?
[02:27] <pochu> (1.4 MB of diff inside the gz)
[02:27] <pochu> I can't understand it :(
[02:27] <azeem> well, check what files the diff touches
[02:28] <azeem> could be autotools are run in the clean target
[02:28] <sistpoty> pochu: the .diff.gz is always the difference between the orig.tar.gz and the extracted source package... so if it was large before your change it will stay large after the 2-line change
[02:28] <pochu> sistpoty: ok, thanks!
[02:28] <pochu> :)
[02:28] <azeem> eh, that as well
[02:28] <sistpoty> pochu: if you want a diff between packages, use debdiff <old-dsc-file> <new-dsc-file>
[02:29] <pochu> sistpoty: I think I don't need a diff :) but thanks anyway
[02:31] <pochu> could you guys sponsor an upload :) bug 75409
[02:31] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75409 in compiz "Missing dependency" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75409
[02:32] <geser> the debdiff would be enough
[02:33] <sistpoty> pochu: ^^ :P
[02:33] <pochu> do you want the debdiff?
[02:33] <geser> and even preferable
[02:34] <pochu> I think sebastien told me that the .dsc and the .diff.gz were enough :)
[02:34] <pochu> but np :)
[02:34] <pochu> one minute ;)
[02:40] <pochu> done :)
[02:40] <pochu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/75409
[02:40] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75409 in compiz "Missing dependency" [Undecided,In progress]  
[02:52] <TheMuso> bah. Any idea why OpenOffice is not letting me edit a document straight away? If i use the arrow keyso to move up and down, the document scrolls like a web page.
[02:52] <TheMuso> Any ideas how I change this?
[02:52] <TheMuso> This is a pretty much fresh install of feisty.
[02:52] <TheMuso> i.e about two days old.
[02:55] <pochu> need a sponsor :) any volunteer? :)
[02:56] <Nafallo> compiz is like crack. I don't even wanna try it :-)
[02:57] <pochu> :)
[02:57] <pochu> Nafallo: do you need to test each package you are going to upload, even if they have already been tested?
[02:58] <Nafallo> yes
[02:58] <Nafallo> and my development system is dead atm ;-)
[02:58] <pochu> :)
[02:58] <pochu> any other MOTU ^_^
[02:58] <TheMuso> pochu: Try me again in a week or so. :)
[02:59] <pochu> hehe
[02:59] <Nafallo> s/MOTU/crack\ smoker/ :-)
[02:59] <TheMuso> Still getting comfrotable with trusting my own work that goes up.
[02:59] <TheMuso> Nafallo: ROFL
[02:59] <pochu> I can't understand why you play so much with / :S
[02:59] <pochu> s/blabla/dkjf
[02:59] <pochu> :)
[02:59] <TheMuso> Because when one gets used to using sed, it becomes a habbit. :)
[03:02] <pochu> have you seen bug 83348?
[03:02] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83348 in gnome-app-install "Need more applications" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83348
[03:02] <pochu> it's pretty annoying :)
[03:02] <ajmitch> yes, it's humourous
[03:02] <pochu> :)
[03:03] <Nafallo> lol
[03:03] <sistpoty> let's assign it to sabdfl *g*
[03:03] <pochu> :)
[03:04] <pochu> we can change the bug number to bug 2 :)
[03:04] <Nafallo> s/oa/ou/
[03:05] <sistpoty> ok, reassigned :)
[03:06] <Nafallo> lol
[03:09] <sistpoty> even more info added :)
[03:10] <pochu> :)
[03:10] <pochu> sistpoty: could we also have windows in the gnome-app-shop ;)
[03:11] <sistpoty> hrhr
[03:12] <sistpoty> pochu: sure: http://www.degredo.net/
[03:12] <ajmitch> heh
[03:12] <pochu> :)
[03:12] <ajmitch> sistpoty: naughty sistpoty, giving sabdfl more work to do
[03:12] <sistpoty> yay, /me is a little bit naughty tonight *g*
[03:13] <pochu> sistpoty: even better: http://theblog.europe2blog.fr/the_blog/images/vista.jpg
[03:13] <sistpoty> *g*
[03:17] <sistpoty> pochu: what do I need to do to get cool effects for kde with compiz?
[03:17] <pochu> sistpoty: upload my package :)
[03:17] <pochu> sistpoty: install compiz?
[03:17] <pochu> :-P
[03:17] <sistpoty> pochu: I want to test it before uploading (builds fine)
[03:18] <pochu> sistpoty: moment
[03:18] <crimsun> you also need steel ribs in case your monitor explodes from all the BLING.
[03:18] <sistpoty> argl *g*
[03:18] <pochu> I think "compiz --replace"
[03:18] <pochu> sistpoty: try that :)
[03:19] <sistpoty> well, s.th. changed... but no cool effect yet *g*
[03:19] <sistpoty> oh, and I can't change workspaces any longer *g*
[03:19] <Nafallo> siretart: cracksmoker!
[03:19] <sistpoty> -ENOCRACK
[03:19] <crimsun> (you didn't need workspaces anyhow!)
[03:19] <Nafallo> dooh
[03:19] <Nafallo> siretart: that was for sistpoty :-)
[03:20] <sistpoty> oh, and the decorations are gone
[03:20] <pochu> sistpoty: those are known issues :)
[03:20] <pochu> sistpoty: remove ~/.gconf/apps/compiz
[03:20] <pochu> and restart compiz
[03:20] <pochu> you will have decorations
[03:21] <pochu> sistpoty: or enable them in the gconf keys
[03:21] <pochu> but it's easy to remove the directory ;)
[03:21] <pochu> there are a lot of bugs with compiz :(
[03:21] <pochu> and I think most of them are gconf-related :)
[03:23] <pochu> lol
[03:23] <pochu> he has crashed :)
[03:23] <sistpoty> grml... restart compiz was a bad idea *g*
[03:23] <pochu> :)
[03:23] <Nafallo> siretart: I told you it was crack :-)
[03:24] <Nafallo> but FFS!
[03:24] <pochu> sistpoty: did you read me?
[03:24] <Nafallo> s/ siretart / sistpoty /
[03:24] <sistpoty> pochu: yep...
[03:24] <sistpoty> (kvirc's highlight popup still worked, but nothing else)
[03:25] <pochu> sistpoty: I haven't tested it with kubuntu :(
[03:26] <sistpoty> pochu: I don't have ~/.gconf/apps/compiz
[03:26] <pochu> lol
[03:26] <pochu> oh
[03:26] <pochu> you are using kde :)
[03:26] <pochu> gconf is gnome, right?
[03:26] <sistpoty> yep
[03:27] <pochu> where does kde save that?
[03:27] <sistpoty> but I have .gconf still *g*
[03:27] <pochu> hehe
[03:27] <pochu> :(
[03:27] <sistpoty> no idea? where would compiz-kde put it?
[03:27] <pochu> I've never used kde
[03:27] <sistpoty> kde saves stuff in .kde
[03:27] <pochu> gnome rocks :)
[03:27] <pochu> sistpoty: then look there ;)
[03:27] <sistpoty> no... in my entire home dir is nothing that's called compiz
[03:28] <pochu> lol
[03:28] <pochu> sistpoty: and running compiz crashes your wm?
[03:28] <TheMuso> FOund my problem.
[03:28] <TheMuso> For some reason, accessing it over an nfs share makes it behave differently.
[03:29] <sistpoty> pochu: it doesn't really crash it... stopping compiz crashes it (or makes it pretty useless)
[03:29] <pochu> stopping compiz?
[03:29] <pochu> oh!
[03:29] <pochu> you should stop it with
[03:29] <pochu> something --replace
[03:29] <pochu> in gnome it's gtksomething :)
[03:29] <pochu> one moment ;)
[03:29] <sistpoty> lol, just like windows... push start to stop windows *g*
[03:30] <pochu> :)
[03:30] <sistpoty> ok, I give up on compiz... nothing usable in /usr/share/doc/compiz{-kde}, no man page...
[03:31] <sistpoty> however it builds and installs fine, so I guess I'll just upload it
[03:31] <pochu> sistpoty: I think for gnome is this: gtk-window-decorator --replace
[03:31] <pochu> but don't know for kde... :(
[03:32] <pochu> could I talk to you guys something offtopic? :)
[03:32] <pochu> or not here?
[03:32] <sistpoty> pochu: back to compiz: you shouldn't make changelog entries wider than 80 chars
[03:33] <pochu> oh, didn't know
[03:33] <pochu> thanks!
[03:33] <pochu> sistpoty: could you fix it?
[03:33] <sistpoty> pochu: sure
[03:33] <pochu> :)
[03:33] <pochu> thanks!
[03:34] <pochu> sistpoty: I shouldn't or I can't?
[03:35] <ajmitch> shouldn't
[03:36] <ajmitch> you'll have angry developers calling your house in the middle of the night
[03:37] <pochu> :)
[03:42] <sistpoty> ok, now I'm off to bed
[03:42] <sistpoty> gn8 everyone
[03:42] <ajmitch> night sistpoty 
[03:59] <LaserJock> darn, I missed sistopty
[04:00] <pochu> buy guys!
[04:00] <pochu> see you :)
[04:04] <bddebian> Heya
[04:07] <LaserJock> woot! Colts kicked butt :-)
[04:08] <bddebian> :'-(
[04:08] <bddebian> LaserJock: I almost have a present for you :-)
[04:08] <LaserJock> exciting
[04:09] <LaserJock> I somehow feel bad about the Bears losing
[04:09] <bddebian> They deserved though after that fiasco :-(
[04:09] <TheMuso> Bah! Thats not football!!
[04:10] <LaserJock> of course it is ;-)
[04:10] <TheMuso> The only game that can be called football is the world game!
[04:10] <TheMuso> Known here as soccer.
[04:10] <LaserJock> heh
[04:10] <bddebian> Oh, you mean SOCCER? :)
[04:10] <LaserJock> America==World ;-)
[04:11] <TheMuso> Ummm. I think not.
[04:12] <LaserJock> darn
[04:12] <ajmitch> TheMuso: don't shatter their little illusions
[04:13] <TheMuso> ajmitch: hahaha
[04:14] <LaserJock> heh
[04:15] <LaserJock> no illusions, I just think it was dumb to have 2 different sports named the same
[04:16] <LaserJock> football seems to fit soccer better
[04:16] <LaserJock> you mostly throw the ball in our football
[04:16] <bddebian> traitor
[04:16] <LaserJock> sorry bddebian 
[04:16] <LaserJock> it just seems more logical
[04:16] <LaserJock> but I don't know what we'd call football
[04:17] <LaserJock> "the game formerly known as football"
[04:17] <bddebian> oblongball
[04:20] <zul> ill merge xen-tools tomorrow..
[05:04] <LaserJock> you guys know of any issues with terminals just becoming unresponsive?
[05:05] <TheMuso> Nope.
[05:05] <crimsun> "terminals" being...?
[05:05] <LaserJock> gnome-terminal or konsole
[05:05] <crimsun> sure, I have [out of my own stupidity] 
[05:05] <LaserJock> when I ssh places sometimes it just freezes
[05:08] <LaserJock> crimsun: what was your stupidity? perhaps I'm being stupid and don't even know it ;-)
[05:08] <crimsun> ^s
[05:10] <LaserJock> hmm, I have done that before
[05:10] <LaserJock> but I don't know think that has been the issue lately
[05:14] <ScottK> The only time I've had terminals freeze is if I reboot a remote server via SSH and don't manage to log out before it goes down.  I've had the get VERY slow when trying to SSH through a high latency/packet loss connection.
[05:16] <LaserJock> hmm, well that's odd
[05:30] <Burgundavia> LaserJock: freezing is often a hardware issue
[05:46] <LaserJock> Burgundavia: but it's only the terminal and I can open up a  new tab and it's fine
[05:55] <TheMuso> c
[06:30] <zakame> afternoon MOTUs
[06:37] <LaserJock> hi zakame 
[06:38] <zakame> hi LaserJock, merging wxwindows2.4 now :)
[06:40] <TheMuso> Hey zakame 
[06:41] <zakame> yo TheMuso :D
[06:58] <joejaxx> well that was interesting
[07:35] <LaserJock> joejaxx: hi
[07:37] <joejaxx> LaserJock: hello
[07:37] <joejaxx> LaserJock: how are you today?
[07:44] <LaserJock> oh, I'm doing
[07:44] <joejaxx> that is good
[07:44] <LaserJock> somehow I need like a 1 month vacation
[07:45] <joejaxx> yeah i feel that way sometimes as well
[07:50] <ajmitch> only 1 month?
[07:53] <joejaxx> ajmitch: :P
[07:59] <LaserJock> ajmitch: I'd get bored after too long
[08:00] <LaserJock> wow, interesting comments in -devel
[08:02] <TheMuso> ooooo threatening.
[08:04] <ajmitch> from such a *tough* nick, too
[08:04] <TheMuso> haha
[08:04] <TheMuso> and he was k-lined too.
[08:05] <TheMuso> Something to do with kicked I *think*.
[08:05] <ajmitch> "ill get my uncle after you" is such a show of strength ;)
[08:07] <tepsipakki> yep.. there are times when I'm proud of being Finnish :P
[08:07] <ajmitch> heh
[08:07] <joejaxx> lol
[08:08] <TheMuso> haha
[08:09] <joejaxx> wow haha
[08:09] <joejaxx> i maxed on 1.25GB of ram
[08:11] <ajmitch> using up 1.25GB of RAM is quite easy
[08:11] <joejaxx> yeah but that is all the ram i have :P
[08:11] <joejaxx> mostly everything is swapping now
[08:13] <joejaxx> :P
[08:13] <joejaxx> how much ram do you have total?
[08:13] <ajmitch> in the desktop? 4GB
[08:13] <TheMuso> wow
[08:13] <joejaxx> nice
[08:13] <ajmitch> laptop runs with 1GB RAM, 1GB swap
[08:13] <joejaxx> too bad this laptop does not take 4gb
[08:14] <ajmitch> yeah, mine will only take 2GB
[08:14] <zakame> cool
[08:14] <ajmitch> but I haven't needed to upgrade it
[08:53] <crimsun> sweet.
[08:53] <crimsun> crimsun@garnish:/media/disk/crimsun/git/ubuntu-2.6$ git branch -D hda-fixes
[08:53] <crimsun> Deleted branch hda-fixes.
[08:55] <Fujitsu> ... sweet?
[08:55] <Fujitsu> How is it a good thing that you deleted that?
[08:55] <Fujitsu> Is it all merged?
[08:56] <crimsun> yep.
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Yay :)
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Very good!
[08:56] <Fujitsu> crimsun saves the world (of sound) yet again.
[08:57] <crimsun> well, I still have a few thousand lines for Realtek HDA, but I'm not terribly worried
[10:03] <cbx33> is the fact that oodraw not having any desktop icon fixed in feisty?
[10:03] <cbx33> and oo math
[10:44] <Adri2000> hi \sh 
[10:47] <Adri2000> \sh: you always forget the "s" when you change the Maintainer field, it's Ubuntu MOTU DeveloperS
[10:48] <Adri2000> \sh: and authbind is in main
[10:48] <\sh> Adri2000: arg...
[10:49] <\sh> looks like that my train travel fcked up my brain ;)
[10:49] <StevenK> Adri2000: \sh is trying to deny the existance of the rest of us. :-P
[10:49] <Adri2000> :p
[10:49] <StevenK> "What? I'm the only MOTU!" etc etc
[10:50] <\sh> StevenK: lol
[10:50] <\sh> Adri2000: changin my mistake
[10:52] <\sh> fix uploaded authbind ;)
[10:52] <Adri2000> :)
[10:53] <\sh> StevenK: The "s" from DeveloperS is not on my way of my fingers sometimes ;) I'll take more attention next time ;)
[10:53] <StevenK> Heh
[10:54] <\sh> time for a cigarette
[10:55] <Tonio_> hi, I uploaded kdepim on friday afternoon, upload is still in the queue, is there a reason for this ?
[10:55] <Tonio_> sorry wrong channel....
[10:58] <Adri2000> btw, are we sure *how* we should change the maintainer field or still not?
[11:08] <TheMuso> Adri2000: IMO it makes sense. I am not changing all packages I upload however, as there are packages that I myself am happy to maintain, as I know how they work, are packaged, and am in contact with upstream for them.
[11:10] <Adri2000> TheMuso: you mean the 0ubuntuX packages (not in debian) you packaged and maintain in ubuntu?
[11:11] <TheMuso> Adri2000: No, not only those. There are packages that are in Debian that I am happy to maintain in universe, as I'm contact with the debian maintainer and upstream anyway.
[11:12] <Adri2000> ok
[01:13] <StevenK> geser: GAH! *Don't* run scons in the clean target!
[01:13] <geser> StevenK: it's already in the Debian package
[01:13] <StevenK> Then file a nastygram, it's wrong.
[01:14] <StevenK> Just because the Debian package does something dumb doesn't mean we have to.
[01:14] <geser> what to call instead?
[01:14] <StevenK> I hope upstream didn't write debian/rules
[01:15] <StevenK> geser: Why do you need to call scons anyway?
[01:16] <geser> it looks like xmms2 is using scons instead make
[01:16] <StevenK> I figured that, but why does it need to call it in the clean target?
[01:17] <geser> shouldn't be something like "make clean" be called in the clean target?
[01:18] <StevenK> Yes, but only if you can do so without invoking something like ./configure
[01:18] <StevenK> Where's Fujitsu when you want him? He can quote about this stuff.
[01:20] <geser> don't ask me why scons does a configure before it removes files
[01:20] <StevenK> Probably because it hasn't been run before.
[01:20] <geser> but how does this explains why scons can't find a c compiler?
[01:20] <StevenK> It doesn't, but I thought I'd try. Which I can't reproduce.
[01:26] <Nafallo> -ENOFUJITSU
[01:50] <highvoltage> 5675445
[01:50] <Nafallo> ehrm
[02:37] <fernando> hi all, how to use dbootstrap with a proxy auth?
[03:38] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:07] <isaric> A hope for http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4238 is possible ?
[04:08] <bddebian> I'll try to get to it in a little bit
[04:13] <nixternal> boo
[04:13] <isaric> thanks
[04:15] <bddebian> Heya nixternal
[04:16] <nixternal> well howdy
[04:40] <gnomefreak> whats with the 3 updates for l-r-m and nvidia-glx? im getting kind of scared to restart X seeing all them
[04:50] <bddebian> If I repack the upstream tarball, am I supposed to give it some version identifying so? i.e. foo_1.0+REPACKED-0ubuntu1 or some such?
[05:36] <gimmiedacash> how do I get privoxy from feisty in edgy? the privoxy version in edgy is several years old
[05:41] <bddebian> Do I just need to chmod +x on the following lintian warning?:
[05:41] <bddebian> W: bibus: script-not-executable ./usr/share/bibus/CodecChoice.py
[05:50] <slomo> bddebian: or remove the #! from the file
[05:50] <slomo> bddebian: depending on whether it is meant to be executed directly or is only imported somewhere else
[05:50] <bddebian> slomo: Thx
[06:28] <somerville32> I'm doing an SRU and the current package version is 6.05.5. Should I make it 6.05.6 or 6.05.5.1 ?
[06:29] <geser> somerville32: no debian revision?
[06:30] <somerville32> I think this is what we would call a native package
[06:30] <somerville32> It is xubuntu-docs
[06:30] <giskard> imbrandon, ping
[06:30] <geser> somerville32: 6.05.5ubuntu0.1
[06:30] <geser> that's a native package
[06:31] <geser> but on the other hand it's an ubuntu-only package, hmm
[06:32] <geser> I guess 6.05.5.1 would be also ok
[06:33] <somerville32> Ok :)
[06:35] <geser> somerville32: you might want to ask pitti or cjwatson
[07:33] <rexbron> hey, after a package has been accepted and built, how long until it is in the repos
[07:33] <rexbron> ?
[07:34] <geser> for already known packages till the next publisher run which is iirc once an hour
[07:35] <geser> new binary packages need to go through archive admins
[07:36] <rexbron> ok
[07:36] <bddebian> Laser_away: If you get a minute:  http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4256
[07:40] <geser> bddebian: shouldn't be the version 1.3.0-0ubuntu1 instead of 1.3.0-1ubuntu1?
[07:40] <bddebian> Gah, yes
[08:16] <geser> bddebian: looks like if it's enough if bibus build-depends on python-all (without the -dev)
[08:17] <LaserJock> bddebian: still around?
[08:18] <DktrKranz> hi guys
[08:18] <DktrKranz> a user suffers from bug 83457
[08:18] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83457 in python2.5 "python2.5-minimal_2.5ubutnu5 fails to install in Feisty" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83457
[08:19] <DktrKranz> it seems latest update of python2.5 breaks something
[08:25] <ScottK> DktrKranz: You might ask in #ubuntu+1 as that channel is focuse on Feisty.  Python is not a Universe package, so this probably isn't the best place to be asking.
[08:26] <DktrKranz> thanks ScottK ;)
[08:29] <_Enchained> Hi
[08:30] <_Enchained> if I make a package with newer version than the one on revu, what should we do ? archive the older and uplaod the newer ?
[08:31] <LaserJock> did you upload the original one?
[08:34] <Adri2000> _Enchained: just upload, nothing else to do
[08:35] <_Enchained> it's a new release
[08:35] <_Enchained> v1.2 to 1.2
[08:35] <LaserJock> Adri2000: if the original was uploaded by somebody else he should talk to them first
[08:35] <LaserJock> _Enchained: but did you upload 1.2?
[08:35] <_Enchained> no
[08:35] <_Enchained> 1.1 to 1.2 sorry
[08:35] <_Enchained> I've maked the 1.1 version
[08:36] <_Enchained> and now it's 1.2
[08:36] <LaserJock> ok, then maybe email the person that uploaded 1.1 to see if they were working on it
[08:36] <_Enchained> it's me ;)
[08:37] <_Enchained> As I won't work on 1.1 again, it could be deleted no ?
[08:37] <LaserJock> _Enchained: argg, I asked you before if you were the one who uploaded it and you said no
[08:38] <_Enchained> ^^ I said no for "did you upload 1.2" ;)
[08:38] <LaserJock> and you told me 1.2 was the old version ;-)
[08:38] <LaserJock> just upload the new version
[08:39] <_Enchained> I restart :
[08:39] <giskard> imbrandon, ping
[08:39] <_Enchained> I've uploaded 1.1 version on revu
[08:40] <_Enchained> the package was rejected
[08:40] <_Enchained> After talking to upstream to solve problems
[08:40] <_Enchained> He has released a new version 1.2
[08:40] <_Enchained> with corrections
[08:40] <_Enchained> etc
[08:40] <Adri2000> (was rejected from the NEW queue)
[08:40] <_Enchained> yes Adri2000
[08:41] <_Enchained> so there is no version of this software actually
[08:41] <_Enchained> I just upload the new version ?
[08:41] <Adri2000> yep :)
[08:42] <LaserJock> yes, you can upload right over the old package
[08:43] <LaserJock> I just wanted to make sure you weren't  hijacking somebody else's package without them knowing about it(which happens sometimes)
[08:43] <crimsun> just make sure you hijack all of the scientific packages
[08:43] <LaserJock> :-)
[08:47] <_Enchained> in fact someone already maked an "unofficial" package for edgy
[08:47] <_Enchained> but I think it doesn't matter
[08:47] <LaserJock> too bad they didn't put it on REVU
[08:48] <TheMuso> Hey MOTUs.
[08:48] <LaserJock> hi TheMuso 
[08:49] <LaserJock> gonna upload something today? :-)
[08:50] <TheMuso> probably, once I sort out the stability of one of my boxes.
[08:50] <TheMuso> I THink maybe something is on the way out in it.
[08:56] <stgraber> Anyone knows how I'm supposed to package a java software ?
[08:58] <somerville32> stgraber, You could look at an example.
[08:59] <LaserJock> like beyond just any old package?
[09:18] <zachtib> hi, i emailed the mailing list about getting a package synced, and i followed the directions, but I'm having some trouble
[09:18] <LaserJock> what's the trouble?
[09:19] <zachtib> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/83462 << that's the bug i filed, but someone said "you need a developer to ACK your sync first" and i don't know what they mean
[09:19] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83462 in Ubuntu "Sync Deluge 0.4.1 into Feisty" [Undecided,Needs info]  
[09:20] <LaserJock> zachtib: ah, that just means you need to get a MOTU (Ubuntu Universe Developer) to OK the sync
[09:20] <LaserJock> it's just so we can weed out bad requests before they go to the archive admins
[09:21] <zachtib> ok, makes sense.  its a very minor change, i only put out 0.4.1 so that it would make it into feisty.  basically, just a clean source tarball and better menu entries,
[09:22] <LaserJock> k, I'll have a look and approve ACK it ok?
[09:22] <zachtib> ok, thanks
[09:23] <LaserJock> zachtib: in the future you don't want to subscribe the ubuntu-archive right away, but subscribe ubuntu-universe-sponsors
[09:24] <LaserJock> sorry for the confusion there
[09:24] <zachtib> LaserJock: ok, i was just going by the wiki page
[09:24] <LaserJock> yeah, I know
[09:24] <LaserJock> it's written from the perspective of a dev filing the sync request
[09:25] <LaserJock> so it should be clearer on what to do for non-devs
[09:25] <zachtib> gotcha
[09:25] <ScottK> LaserJock: If I edit the page, will you review it to make sure I got it right?
[09:25] <LaserJock> ScottK: the sync page?
[09:25] <ScottK> Yeah
[09:25] <Adri2000> zachtib: also I forgot to say that you need to assign the bug to the package deluge-torrent ;)
[09:26] <ScottK> To make it clearer for non-devs.
[09:26] <Adri2000> good idea schultmc 
[09:26] <Adri2000> good idea ScottK 
[09:26] <zachtib> Adri2000: yeah, i forgot how to assign a package after i submitted it.  i realized that about 2 sec after i sent it
[09:26] <Adri2000> (sorry schultmc)
[09:26] <schultmc> heh
[09:26] <schultmc> np
[09:28] <LaserJock> ScottK: sure
[09:28] <ScottK> OK
[09:28] <ScottK> If you want a main package synched and are not a dev, who do you subscribe to the bug?
[09:29] <LaserJock> I *think* ubuntu-sponsors
[09:29] <Adri2000> ubuntu-main-sponsors
[09:29] <ScottK> Thanks.
[09:29] <crimsun> ugg, more spam.
[09:29] <LaserJock> Adri2000: ah yeah, that's the one
[09:30] <LaserJock> crimsun: better then getting yelled at by ubuntu-archive
[09:30] <LaserJock> I think :-)
[09:38] <ScottK> LaserJock: Updated https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess - I have to run and pick up #2 daughter from school, but if needed will fix anything when I get back (~30 min).
[09:38] <LaserJock> k, thanks
[09:39] <LaserJock> ScottK: looks ok to me, mdz can spiff it up if he likes
[09:44] <bddebian> OK, what have I missed? :-)
[09:45] <LaserJock> nothing
[09:45] <bddebian> Where do NEW binaries sit after they build successfuly?
[09:45] <LaserJock> nothing can happen when you are gone
[09:45] <bddebian> LaserJock: Did you check out REVU? :)
[09:45] <LaserJock> bddebian: not quite yet, just a brief glance
[09:45] <Adri2000> ScottK: Fix released is set by the archive admin. once you have filed the sync request (and once u-u-s have acked it, if you are not a developer), you don't need to do anything else
[09:45] <bddebian> But you saw what it was?
[09:45] <LaserJock> they go to the NEW queue again for approval
[09:45] <LaserJock> bddebian: yes, I did, thank you very much
[09:46] <bddebian> LaserJock: It's hideous packaging but it does seem to work
[09:50] <bddebian> do be do be doo
[09:55] <bddebian> Do we have any wiki page on using the merge script?
[09:58] <ScottK> Adri2000: Are you sure.  So far on the one's I've done the archive admins have just set Fix Committed.  IIRC, I was told (here or via e-mail by an archive admin, not sure) that I was supposed to mark it released after it built.
[09:59] <Adri2000> ScottK: really? bug number of this sync request?
[10:00] <LaserJock> ScottK: we often do that for MOTU sponsorships, I'm not sure what ubuntu-archive does
[10:00] <LaserJock> I think pitti marks them Fix Released
[10:00] <ScottK> OK.
[10:01] <ScottK> Maybe I should change it to "if the archive marks if fix committed, then you should..."
[10:02] <_Enchained> hay bddebian
[10:02] <_Enchained> (do you want some work ? :p)
[10:03] <ScottK> Adri2000 and LaserJock - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess - better?
[10:04] <bddebian> Heya _Enchained
[10:05] <_Enchained> bddebian: when you can, take a look at http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4229 :)
[10:05] <_Enchained> plz
[10:07] <LaserJock> ScottK: seems ok to me
[10:07] <ScottK> Thanks.
[10:08] <LaserJock> zachtib: I've given the OK for your sync request, now you can just wait for the archive admins to do their magic :-)
[10:08] <zachtib> LaserJock: tyvm
[10:09] <ScottK> zachtib: Would you please look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess - I've revised it - and see if it makes sense to you...
[10:09] <LaserJock> zachtib: np, thanks for getting ahold of us and filing the bug
[10:09] <zachtib> ScottK: yeah, looks good
[10:10] <ScottK> Thanks.
[10:11] <sistpoty> hi folks
[10:12] <_Enchained> LaserJock: the new versionis on revu if you want to look at : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4258
[10:13] <_Enchained> version*
[10:13] <LaserJock> hi sistpoty 
[10:13] <sistpoty> hi LaserJock
[10:13] <bddebian> Heya sistpoty
[10:13] <sistpoty> hi bddebian
[10:16] <bddebian> _Enchained: The .deb is pretty much empty..??
[10:16] <_Enchained> bddebian: Oo I look at it
[10:17] <_Enchained> working on dvd95 ATM
[10:20] <Adri2000> LaserJock: archive admins won't be happy with #83462 because the changelog is missing
[10:22] <LaserJock> bah
[10:24] <ajmitch> hi all
[10:24] <sistpoty> hi ajmitch
[10:24] <_Enchained> hi ajmitch
[10:24] <somerville32> hi ajmitch 
[10:25] <ScottK> bddebian: Did you get a chance to look at Bug #83176?  It's you favorite package all over again...
[10:25] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83176 in courier "courier: merge new debian version 0.53.3-4" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83176
[10:25] <LaserJock> Adri2000: fine, added
[10:25] <LaserJock> hi ajmitch 
[10:27] <bddebian> ScottK: No, I'm hiding
[10:27] <ScottK> Should be the same as the last one.  The new update just adds a few translations.
[10:34] <TheMuso> Hey all.
[10:34] <geser> LaserJock: could you add bug 36586 to your list of malone bugs? it would make it easier for ubuntu-universe-sponsors to find out which source package that bug/mail belongs to
[10:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 36586 in malone "please mention the source package in bug mails" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/36586
[10:34] <TheMuso> ...again
[10:35] <sistpoty> hi TheMuso
[10:35] <ajmitch> geser: about the best we have the is source package in the mail headers
[10:36] <TheMuso> Anybody working on mini-dinstall?
[10:37] <TheMuso> or is that a fakesync etc?
[10:38] <LaserJock> geser: I thought I had that one already, looks like I didn't
[10:38] <LaserJock> geser: as ajmitch said, they seem to think having it in the header is "good enough"
[10:38] <geser> TheMuso: from http://merges.ubuntu.com/m/mini-dinstall/mini-dinstall_0.6.21ubuntu2.patch I'd say it's a fakesync
[10:39] <LaserJock> it still bugs me though...
[10:39] <sistpoty> LaserJock: bugs me as well
[10:39] <LaserJock> it's kinda weird to have to turn on "all headers" or something just to figure out what package a bug belongs too
[10:39] <LaserJock> especially when pitti renames the bugs to "Fixed" or something
[10:40] <bddebian> Heya ajmitch
[10:40] <TheMuso> geser: Right I thought so.
[10:40] <bddebian> Gaaah freakin' kbd-chooser
[10:41] <sistpoty> yay... I want to know the source package as the first thing of a bug mail... it's easier to open the bug link than to browse through the headers to get this info.
[10:41] <sistpoty> bddebian: seems like noone wants to touch it *g*
[10:41] <bddebian> sistpoty: I'm trying but it's hideous :-(
[10:42] <geser> in most cases I'm to lazy look for the X-Launchpad header and prefer to open the url instead
[10:42] <LaserJock> geser: added, thanks
[10:42] <bddebian> I actually asked for a syn early on ;-)
[10:42] <bddebian> Err sync even
[10:42] <sistpoty> bddebian: cool, great :)
[10:42] <bddebian> And cjwatsin said no freakin way
[10:44] <TheMuso> bddebian: hahaha
[10:44] <geser> bddebian: I think nobody wants to touch it because it in the d-i section
[10:44] <_Enchained> Adri2000: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4259
[10:44] <sistpoty> is it still used anywhere?
[10:48] <_Enchained> bddebian: I found the problem on greycstoration : I've changed the binary package name to "gimp-greycstoration" in debian/control (like gpocentek said), and then the deb doesn't content any file...
[10:48] <_Enchained> do you know why ?...
[10:49] <_Enchained> sorry, I just found my error (in rules)
[10:49] <_Enchained> :)
[10:49] <bddebian> _Enchained: ... :-)
[10:50] <_Enchained> (I hadn't changed the destination directory in rules...)
[10:50] <_Enchained> :s
[10:55] <_Enchained> bddebian: better :) http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4260
[10:55] <_Enchained> (and dvd95 is updated too ;) )
[11:29] <_Enchained> bddebian: thanks for you review
[11:29] <bddebian> NP
[11:30] <_Enchained> there is also Ooodi2 if you want lol
[11:30] <_Enchained> http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4142
[11:30] <_Enchained> I d'ont know if all is ok...
[11:30] <_Enchained> I modified a bit the standard installation
[11:53] <bddebian> Later folks