[01:41] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83341 in firefox (main) "Everytime on http://centrum.cz in e-mail web "clinent"  Firefox crash..." [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83341
[02:17] <crimsun> gnomefreak: I've built FF before, yes. What do you need?
[02:18] <gnomefreak> crimsun: i cant use debians version so what do i use for upstream
[02:18] <crimsun> err...?
[02:18] <gnomefreak> i assume the tar from mozilla
[02:18] <crimsun> (missing context here)
[02:19] <gnomefreak> crimsun: ok building scribus i had to apt-get source it from ubutnu and download debians version
[02:19] <gnomefreak> is it the same (except mozilla's tar instead of debians)
[02:20] <gnomefreak> or can i just apt-get source firefox and build that?
[02:26] <gnomefreak> from what i gather with looking at the wikis on building packages we get the source the dsc and the diff from debian. firefox is no longer in debian. that is wher eim confused
[03:55] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83358 in firefox (main) "Didn't download from personal web page" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83358
[11:53] <asac> morning :)
[11:56] <gnomefreak> mmorning :(
[12:13] <asac> gnomefreak: why so sad?
[12:13] <gnomefreak> asac: long day
[12:13] <asac> oh :) ... where are you based?
[12:15] <gnomefreak> US
[12:15] <gnomefreak> its gonna be very long day here
[12:19] <asac>  yeah I think so :P its already 1200 here in germany ;)
[12:19] <gnomefreak> its 6:19am here
[12:19] <gnomefreak> been up for 3 hours already
[12:25] <asac> gnomefreak: thats insane :)
[12:26] <gnomefreak> yep i never sleep much
[12:27] <asac> actually, I regularly go to bed at 4 am ;)
[12:28] <gnomefreak> i go to bed around 8 and i dont fall asleep till around 1ish
[12:29] <asac> gnomefreak: hmm you should be doing some sports then :) ... at least it helped for me
[12:31] <asac> gnomefreak: I just requested to join your team :) ... ah ... I am the new mozillas maintainer for ubuntu ... in case you wonder ;)
[12:39] <gnomefreak> you are
[12:39] <gnomefreak> damn ive been meaning to get you started on the fun stuff ;)
[12:40] <gnomefreak> you have been approved :)
[12:43] <asac> gnomefreak: thanks :)
[12:44] <asac> so what is on the agenda for todays meeting?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> asac: if you get a chance theres a bug that i think needed to be fixed but not sure if you would handle it or another team/person when you get time can you please take a look at it and do what you think is best? bug # is bug 48714  i would say its no hurry since its been there forever :)
[12:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 48714 in firefox ""Getting started" and "Latest Headlines" not localized." [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/48714
[12:45] <gnomefreak> i have agenda page let me look it up
[12:45] <gnomefreak> here is the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Meetings
[12:47] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: you around?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: we have debugging package for thunderbird in pitti's debug repo but only for feisty afaik. mozilla-thunderbird-dbgsym.  i will see if i cant get up with him to see if he will add it to hes edgy repo atleast. i hope i will have answer by meeting time
[12:50] <asac> gnomefreak: whenever you are in doubt about a bug or think there is something that needs be fixed, just let me know.
[12:55] <asac> gnomefreak: I will produce a -dbg package for tbird in future ... at least for feisty this is mandatory
[12:56] <gnomefreak> oh cool ty
[12:59] <asac> can someone reproduce bug 15166
[12:59] <asac> ?
[01:00] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 15166 in firefox "Firefox high cpu when downloading a fle of an "unknown file size"" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/15166
[01:00] <gnomefreak> ill look and see i think i can still start 2.0 from here
[01:00] <asac> maybe my machine is too fast or its gone
[01:01] <asac> test urls are here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123334
[01:01] <Ubugtu> Mozilla bug 123334 in File Handling "File downloading is extremely slow when the Content-Length header is missing" [Normal,Reopened] 
[01:01] <asac> how does ubugtu recognize mozilla bugs?
[01:02] <asac> bz#123334
[01:02] <asac> hmm
[01:02] <asac> silence ;)
[01:04] <gnomefreak> asac: have you heard if we are adding tb2.0 in feisty?
[01:05] <asac> if it ships in time ... then I might try
[01:05] <asac> its not out upstream
[01:05] <asac> iirc, plan is sometime in feb ... but that might as well be pushed back.
[01:07] <asac> gnomefreak: fyi ... blockers for thunderbird 2: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?keywords_type=nowords&keywords=fixed1.8.1+verified1.8.1+fixed1.8.1.1+verified1.8.1.1+fixed1.8.1.2+verified1.8.1.2&field0-0-0=flagtypes.name&type0-0-0=equals&value0-0-0=blocking-thunderbird2%2B&order=map_assigned_to.login_name,bugs.bug_id
[01:07] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83042 in firefox (main) "Firefox just disappears on some links" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83042
[01:08] <gnomefreak> oh it could be a while than
[01:09] <asac> you can follow blockers et al here: http://tinderbox.mozilla.org/showbuilds.cgi?tree=Mozilla1.8
[01:13] <gnomefreak> ty
[01:16] <gnomefreak> i cant seem to get 2.0 working no matter what symlinks i remove so i will use live cd to check sometime today
[01:17] <asac> you run ff 3?
[01:17] <asac> can you try if you see it there?
[01:17] <asac> I see almost the same behaviour for trunk and 1.8 branch ... so it shouldn't matter
[01:18] <gnomefreak> yeah
[01:18] <gnomefreak> its not there in the upstream ff3 but i will try after its fully updated
[01:19] <asac> what kind of machine do you have?
[01:19] <gnomefreak> i have a breakfast meeting so after that i will run it
[01:19] <gnomefreak> dell p4
[01:19] <asac> hmmm probably too fast too?
[01:19] <gnomefreak> peice of crap if you ask me
[01:20] <gnomefreak> i have edgy pc upstairs 450 p2
[01:20] <gnomefreak> i can try it there later also :)
[01:20] <asac> :) ... dell should really stop to use chips with dell specific ids
[01:20] <gnomefreak> ok ill be back i have to get to meeting.
[01:20] <asac> yeah ... if it doesn't show up there then its not a bug :)
[01:20] <asac> sure
[02:21] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: sounds like a good plan
[02:21] <gnomefreak> cool
[02:21] <Admiral_Chicago> just got out the shower, brb
[02:31] <Admiral_Chicago> class now
[02:43] <gnomefreak> someone shoot me for being so damn stupid :(
[02:43] <gnomefreak> do we have connections upstream mozilla?
[02:43] <asac> somehow :)
[02:43] <asac> what do you need?
[02:44] <gnomefreak> ff3 is messed up on latest nightly
[02:45] <gnomefreak> cant bookmark pages it brings up just the window top frame
[02:46] <asac> you run nightly builds ... I did a build yesterday ... let me try
[02:46] <gnomefreak> nightly on ff3.0 yeah. but i missed a few weeks so it could have been in that time
[02:48] <asac> hmmm ... i can bookmark here
[02:48] <gnomefreak> i cant :(
[02:49] <gnomefreak> maybe ill rebuild it the crap way later
[02:52] <gnomefreak> did you build a deb for it or the short way of untarring it and symlinking it?
[02:57] <gnomefreak> thats weird now it works. i moved the bookmarks.html out and now it works
[03:02] <asac> gnomefreak: I build from CVS for now ... I wanted to test the high cpu download-manager bug
[03:03] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe the trunk was broken at some point and breached your bookmarks.html ?
[03:03] <gnomefreak> could have been but they work now
[03:04] <asac> your old bookmarks.html too?
[03:04] <gnomefreak> asac: the new one
[03:04] <gnomefreak> the one that ff3 uses since i installed it
[03:05] <gnomefreak> i just moved them into ~/ and than back now they work
[03:07] <asac> gnomefreak: good ... if you do, consider to call the package firefox-snapshot or something. we actually might want that in the archive at some point.
[03:07] <asac> if you have questions about debs feel free to ask :)
[03:14] <gnomefreak> we could really use extensions for alpha/beta releases
[03:16] <asac> sorry .... extensions?
[03:16] <asac> ah ... your mean extensions to the package name ... yes, probably ... though
[03:16] <asac> we have to figure out with upstreams trademark policy first
[03:17] <asac> at least if we put it in the official archive.
[03:17] <asac> as a matter of fact, they don't call their alpha/beta builds firefox either
[03:17] <asac> but "Bon Echo", "Minefield", etc.
[03:18] <gnomefreak> yeah :( mozilla confused me with that
[03:19] <asac> I will have to figure out ... maybe its ok to name the package firefox-trunk .... but keep the code-name branding.
[03:20] <asac> including the ugly "earth logo" :)
[03:20] <gnomefreak> we have the red yellow and blue one now :)
[03:21] <gnomefreak> debian doesnt have a build of ff still do they?
[03:25] <asac> no ... unlikely that they will in the near future
[03:25] <asac> ups pm :)
[03:25] <asac> gnomefreak: for mozillas we are now mostly on our own
[03:27] <asac> yeah ... patches need to be adapted
[03:29] <gnomefreak> well for the next hour i will see what can be done. i dont do syncing and i doubt the devel team would concider it ill brb phone
[03:39] <asac> great ;)
[03:41] <gnomefreak> we wanna test these downlaods using firefox not wget right?
[03:43] <gnomefreak> weird i get a scrolling progress bar
[03:43] <gnomefreak> seems to be "normal" on 3.0
[03:44] <gnomefreak> other than the way the bar moves but that can be new
[03:45] <asac> downloads with firefox ... yes
[03:46] <asac> the bar moves ... thats right ... the bug is about high-cpu usage if you download a file which has no content-length given
[03:46] <asac> and download-manager is open.
[03:46] <asac> do you see that?
[03:47] <gnomefreak> 3.1
[03:47] <gnomefreak> thats not too bad for cpu usage on the one without content
[03:47] <asac> same for the "without content-length" and the "with content-length" download?
[03:47] <gnomefreak> hasnt started with yet
[03:47] <asac> is this on P2 ?
[03:47] <gnomefreak> p4 1.7ghz
[03:48] <gnomefreak> sometime this afternoon i will try edgy and ff2
[03:48] <gnomefreak> on the p2
[03:48] <asac> yeah ... at best on p2
[03:48] <asac> great
[03:48] <asac> i saw this issue this weekend on my girlfriends machine ... which is pIII 700
[03:49] <asac> unfortunately i have no access to it now  :/
[03:49] <asac> saw this on edgy
[03:51] <gnomefreak> brb ill go try it real fast now
[03:52] <asac> nothing to hurry
[03:52] <gnomefreak> see the progress bar is showing the right way on the one with the content
[03:52] <gnomefreak> right == moves as the download progresses
[03:53] <gnomefreak> the onther one just kept scrolling didnt move with download
[03:53] <gnomefreak> bug 123334
[03:54] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[03:54] <gnomefreak> i will ping seveas later and see if we cant get ubugtu to do upstream bugs too
[03:55] <gnomefreak> seems normal here other than the  way the progress bar moves
[03:58] <gnomefreak> IMHO mozilla needs to stop using auto tools and let us compile it
[03:58] <gnomefreak> brb running up to test it
[04:10] <gnomefreak> re-producable in edgy with a p2 450mhz
[04:21] <gnomefreak> ok wth is chris burgan?
[04:21] <gnomefreak> s/wth/ who the hell
[04:31] <gnomefreak> asac: is this of any help? http://librarian.launchpad.net/5024080/_usr_lib_firefox_firefox-bin.1000.crash on why it crashed? i dont see anything that pops out at me
[04:33] <asac> gnomefreak: downloading ... which bug is it?
[04:35] <Ubugtu> New bug: #71048 in firefox (main) "Crash when removing private data" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71048
[04:36] <gnomefreak> bug 71107
[04:36] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 71107 in firefox "Firefox crashes when visiting nytimes.com" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71107
[04:37] <gnomefreak> i willing to bet its either the site or a flash issue but nothing jumps out at me
[04:43] <asac> ... there is no backtrace, just a core dump?
[04:43] <gnomefreak> thats what he attached
[04:43] <gnomefreak> its most likely flash. ther eis a flash video on the site
[04:44] <gnomefreak> i dont see anything java related on site
[04:46] <gnomefreak> im gonna ask for hte full report
[05:00] <asac> gnomefreak: maybe as upstream bugzilla shorthand syntax something like bz#231232
[05:00] <asac> gnomefreak: ok ... you could reproduce download thing ... nice :) ... even with 3.0 ?
[05:01] <asac> gnomefreak: do you know how to build deb packages?
[05:01] <asac> gnomefreak: I have a patch for the download thing ... maybe you try ;)
[05:13] <gnomefreak> not with 3.0 only my feisty has 3.0 edgy is stock ff
[05:15] <gnomefreak> using debhelper i have built 1  but if its as simple as just apt-get source firefox and build it from the ubuntu version shouldnt be too bad. i just have to learn how to add the patch
[05:16] <asac> good :) ... for now you can directly patch /usr/lib/firefox/ ... but I have first to figure out how to make the patch accessible :)
[05:18] <gnomefreak> k just let me know when and i will let you know if any issues.
[05:18] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/DownloadProgressListener.patch
[05:18] <gnomefreak> this is for feisty right?
[05:18] <asac> hmmm
[05:18] <asac> should not matter
[05:18] <asac> the patch is now done against edgy
[05:18] <gnomefreak> do i need to create a edgy pbuilder?
[05:19] <asac> nono
[05:19] <asac> for now you can patch /usr/lib/firefox directly
[05:19] <asac> if that fixes it, I will provide a fix for the sources.
[05:19] <asac> cd to /usr/lib/firefox/
[05:19] <asac> then
[05:19] <asac> patch -p1 < /tmp/XXX.patch
[05:19] <asac> as root obviously
[05:19] <gnomefreak> XXX?
[05:20] <asac> yeah DownloadProgressListener.patch
[05:20] <asac> :)
[05:20] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[05:21] <asac> gavins: ping
[05:24] <gnomefreak> do i need to make the /temp dir?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> ther eisnt one there
[05:25] <asac> no ... just assumed that you download it there ... or is there some temp dir in the patch?
[05:26] <gnomefreak> testing
[05:30] <gnomefreak> the download in top stays around the same Xorg spikes but i think i know the reason for that. i would say it fixed it
[05:31] <asac> hmmm .... what Xorg spikes?
[05:32] <gnomefreak> asac: it the window itself. i used the link for ubuntu bug tracker its a flash video
[05:32] <gnomefreak> its off of myspace
[05:32] <asac> ok ... but without content-length header?
[05:33] <gnomefreak> i am gonna try the other ones it didnt say. accourding to the report if i understood right he said its unknow size/file but its known here so i will try other links from upstream
[05:40] <asac> yes try the ones from bugzilla
[05:40] <gnomefreak> asac: if i move the downloader around it spikes to 35+%
[05:40] <asac> ok ... on a slow machine that might be reasonable ... and unrelated :)
[05:41] <asac> would be nice to know for sure, that you get high cpu usage before the patch on that machine ... and considerably lower cpu usage after patch
[05:41] <asac> (without moving window around)
[05:42] <gnomefreak> comparing the 2 on this pc no content is 20+% higher
[05:42] <gnomefreak> than with content
[05:43] <asac> without patch on slow pc?
[05:43] <gnomefreak> they are much lower cpu
[05:56] <gnomefreak> ok on a slow as hell pc atm
[05:58] <asac> sorry for the pain you have to suffer ;)
[05:58] <gnomefreak> its all good
[05:59] <gnomefreak> ok where am i putting this? in /usr/lib?
[05:59] <asac> please test firt if you can see the bug
[05:59] <asac> e.g. default firefox install ... test content-length and no-content-length example
[05:59] <gnomefreak> k
[05:59] <asac> you need the url?
[06:00] <Ubugtu> New bug: #47564 in firefox (main) "closes when scrolling" [Medium,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/47564
[06:00] <asac> gnomefreak: for your convenience: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123334#c2
[06:00] <gnomefreak> ty
[06:00] <Ubugtu> Mozilla bug 123334 in File Handling "File downloading is extremely slow when the Content-Length header is missing" [Normal,Reopened] 
[06:01] <gnomefreak> asac: im being bugged. someone wants to know if we can get sunbird in repos
[06:01] <asac> not yet ... sunbird is not getting released from stable mozilla branches ... so not maintainable (e.g. security/stability updates)
[06:02] <gnomefreak> oh hell yeah up around 52+%
[06:02] <asac> great ... and significant lower for "with-content-length" ?
[06:03] <asac> just downloading and watching the download-manager?
[06:03] <gnomefreak> gonna run the other one in a minute
[06:03] <gnomefreak> yes download manager
[06:03] <asac> don't need to finish download ;)
[06:03] <gnomefreak> i know
[06:03] <gnomefreak> i was answering him
[06:04] <asac> was ment as a bad joke ;)
[06:04] <gnomefreak> between 2 and 10%
[06:04] <asac> ok ... so considerably lower?
[06:05] <asac> good ... then try to patch
[06:05] <asac> ;)
[06:05] <gnomefreak> asac: do me a big favor look at bug 75494 for him he doesnt like the word no
[06:05] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 75494 in Ubuntu "Include mozilla sunbird on Feisty repositories" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/75494
[06:05] <gnomefreak> ok cd to /usr/lib?
[06:07] <asac> yes .... but then with -p0
[06:07] <asac> or -p1 if you are in firefox (strip off one directory at the beginning of the path)
[06:08] <gnomefreak> what was the path?
[06:08] <asac> the url?
[06:08] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/
[06:08] <gnomefreak> asac: the path to put it in i cant remember it and dude is working on my nerves already
[06:09] <asac> hehe
[06:09] <asac> ok
[06:09] <gnomefreak> :)
[06:09] <asac> 17:19 < asac> cd to /usr/lib/firefox/
[06:09] <asac> 17:19 < asac> then
[06:09] <asac> 17:19 < asac> patch -p1 < /tmp/XXX.patch
[06:09] <asac> http://people.ubuntu.com/~asac/DownloadProgressListener.patch
[06:12] <gnomefreak> ok lets find out :)
[06:14] <gnomefreak> about 20% less cpu as long as you dont move it
[06:14] <asac> hmm ... but still more then with content?
[06:14] <gnomefreak> it spiked up to 55% for like a second than back down to around 30%ish
[06:15] <asac> ok
[06:15] <gnomefreak> without is more with is unchanged
[06:16] <asac> good ... you saw in the console the file that was patches?
[06:16] <gnomefreak> yes
[06:16] <asac> can you open it and tweak the interval variable
[06:16] <asac> ?
[06:16] <asac> its set to 500
[06:16] <gnomefreak> patching file chrome/toolkit/content/mozapps/downloads/DownloadProgressListener.js
[06:16] <asac> try 5000 ... and if that does not improve try even 500000
[06:16] <asac> :)
[06:16] <asac> i mean ... getting cpu usage down to about the same that without has
[06:17] <gnomefreak> can i change it here? and just save the changes?
[06:17] <asac> sure
[06:17] <asac> you might have to revert by reinstalling in the end :)
[06:17] <gnomefreak> ok im gonna have a smoke and see what i can do with it :)
[06:17] <gnomefreak> ah np
[06:17] <asac> sure ;) thanks a lot.
[06:19] <gnomefreak> it fun :)
[06:22] <gnomefreak> how can i tell what its set to? i dont see 500 anywher ein it
[06:22] <gnomefreak> @@ -50,6 +50,10 @@
[06:22] <gnomefreak> +50,10?
[06:25] <asac> search for interval in the file
[06:25] <asac> its set almost at top iirc
[06:25] <asac> something like
[06:25] <asac> var interval = 500;
[06:25] <asac> in chrome/toolkit/content/mozapps/downloads/DownloadProgressListener.js
[06:25] <gnomefreak> oh ok
[06:28] <gnomefreak> asac: after saving it should i try sudo patch -p1 < again?
[06:30] <asac> no
[06:30] <asac> by patching you modified the file already
[06:30] <gnomefreak> k
[06:30] <asac> so if you didn't revert that ... then its ok
[06:30] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[06:32] <gnomefreak> brb gonna fix screen res :(
[06:36] <gnomefreak> asac: how high can i make that number? with it set to 500,000 (without the ,) im getting around 36-38% cpu still high
[06:37] <gnomefreak> 33 atm
[06:37] <asac> hmmm ... so it makes no difference?
[06:37] <asac> i think 500000 is too large
[06:37] <gnomefreak> not looking like it
[06:37] <asac> 5000 is the same as 500 ?
[06:37] <gnomefreak> about little less but not alot
[06:37] <gnomefreak> 5000 == 500000
[06:38] <asac> wierd ;)
[06:38] <gnomefreak> 500 was maybe 5-10% differnet than 5000
[06:39] <asac> hmm ... hard to say. ... maybe one need to fix the /rotating/ progress bar too
[06:39] <gnomefreak> only the non-content has the rotating bar though the other one is the right bar
[06:40] <asac> i guess it contributes most of the performance-panelty that is left to compared with content-elgnth
[06:40] <asac> yeah ... the rotating bar is the one that requires generically more redraws
[06:40] <asac> thats why it still eats up lots of cpu cycles
[06:41] <asac> anyway thanks ... if its really better than without patch then we already have solved half the issue :)
[06:42] <gnomefreak> its about 20%ish better than without the patch
[06:43] <gnomefreak> im wondering if cleaning my download history would make a difference
[06:43] <asac> yeah ... I guess it fixes the most serious issue ... that the download UI wants to update each time the network has new data :)
[06:43] <asac> maybe
[06:43] <asac> give it a try
[06:43] <asac> might even be the reason why I don't see ithere :)
[06:43] <asac> have no download history :)
[06:44] <gnomefreak> ah
[06:44] <gnomefreak> still running around 35%
[06:45] <asac> ok
[06:45] <gnomefreak> lol maybe i should upgrade to latest firefox?
[06:45] <gnomefreak> in not running 2.0.0 on this pc
[06:45] <asac> hehe
[06:46] <asac> :)
[06:46] <asac> try
[06:46] <asac> though I have seen this on 2.0.0.(1?) on my girl-friends computer
[06:46] <asac> so it should be there too
[06:46] <gnomefreak> 2.0+0dfsg-0ubuntu3 is the one im running
[06:47] <gnomefreak> latest 2.0.0.1+0dfsg-0ubuntu0.6.10
[06:47] <gavins> asac: pong
[06:50] <gnomefreak> ok im gonna go back to my feisty pc.
[07:05] <Admiral_Chicago> hehe, I almost planned another meeting today during our meeting
[07:05] <gnomefreak> please dont ;)
[07:07] <Admiral_Chicago> it was for my COMAP planning, supplies we need etc. Changed that meeting to 6 PM, 22 UTC here
[07:07] <gnomefreak> is everyone coming?
[07:07] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: btw if you havent figured it out yet asac is the new mozilla maintainer :)
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> mozilla...the browser?
[07:10] <Admiral_Chicago> is everyone coming to the meeting? I assume so.
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> we are all attending according to the wiki, except David
[07:11] <gnomefreak> mozilla == firefox tb so on
[07:11] <asac> ... for mozilla based applications aka firefox/thunderbird/whatever :)
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> okay i see, i have my head in history still
[07:11] <gnomefreak> he replaces iwj since he gave up mozilla
[07:12] <Admiral_Chicago> sounds like a good deal
[07:12] <Admiral_Chicago> it seems like the lists are down or my intrawebs are acting odd
[07:13] <gnomefreak> what lists?
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> my cached memory is ridiculous right now.
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> ubuntu ones...
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> nvm, it's my network
[07:15] <Admiral_Chicago> the change to Karma is pretty ridiculous
[07:15] <Admiral_Chicago> I'm down to 20K from 22 despite having done work...
[07:15] <gnomefreak> i wrote an email to stub this morning about it
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> plus, there was a freeze on it for a long time, when I did a *lot* of work that got disregarded.
[07:16] <gnomefreak> stub == one of the "big guys" of LP
[07:16] <Admiral_Chicago> ah i see
[07:18] <gnomefreak> whos doing minutes this meeting?
[07:18] <Admiral_Chicago> i assume Alex, he did them last time
[07:19] <Admiral_Chicago> I would but I won't have time to organize etc.
[07:19] <Admiral_Chicago> the only reason I am in here is because I'm on my lunch break
[07:19] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: you coming to meeting?
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> any idea how to create a new window to message someone in IRSSI
[07:20] <Admiral_Chicago> if i do /msg nick it goes to my network window
[07:20] <gnomefreak> it shouldnt
[07:20] <asac> i have a pmsg window
[07:21] <asac> one for all pmsg sessions
[07:21] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: are you in more than 20 windows?
[07:21] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: no
[07:22] <Admiral_Chicago> i think it's bitlbee
[07:22] <gnomefreak> mine works if i /msg Admiral_Chicago <message> it will show up in new window
[07:23] <Admiral_Chicago> mine will show up in the Freenode / Bitlbee network info
[07:23] <gnomefreak> most likely bitlbee than
[07:23] <Admiral_Chicago> does that on FN too...let me try
[07:24] <Admiral_Chicago> same thing. maybe it's my windows setting
[07:28] <asac>  ?  /SET use_msgs_window OFF
[07:29] <AlexLatchford> gnomefreak: yes, however I may be a little later
[07:29] <AlexLatchford> late*
[07:29] <gnomefreak> for meeting i hope you mean
[07:29] <AlexLatchford> have to be at a meeting tonight at 7 for about an hour
[07:29] <Admiral_Chicago> that did it asac thanks
[07:30] <asac> np
[07:30] <AlexLatchford> hopefully I will be home at like 8.10 or beofre
[07:30] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: will you do minutes?
[07:30] <AlexLatchford> yeah sure
[07:30] <gnomefreak> cool
[07:30] <gnomefreak> asac: we want mozilla tracker added in here right?
[07:30] <Admiral_Chicago> brb, gotta fix this
[07:31] <asac> do we have channel logs?
[07:32] <asac> gnomefreak: a shorthand ... i think urls already work
[07:32] <asac> something like bz#000xxx to get info about bugzilla bug 000xxx
[07:32] <asac> maybe there is already such a thing?
[07:33] <gnomefreak> asac: should be just bug <number>
[07:34] <gnomefreak> its mozilla bug 123
[07:34] <Ubugtu> Mozilla bug 123 in XFE "Form menus not wide enough" [Minor,Verified: wontfix]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123
[07:34] <asac> then I am happy :)
[07:36] <AlexLatchford> mozilla bug 1
[07:36] <AlexLatchford> heh
[07:37] <gnomefreak> lol i must be special :)
[07:38] <asac> mozilla bug 235123
[07:38] <Ubugtu> Mozilla bug 235123 in General "link in Frame doesn't find correct target frame" [Normal,Resolved: worksforme]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=235123
[07:39] <gnomefreak> there is no bug 1 on mozilla maybe
[07:39] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 1 in ichthux "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[07:39] <AlexLatchford> lol shh
[07:39] <asac> maybe it needs to be a valid bug number
[07:39] <AlexLatchford> yeah probably
[07:39] <asac> :-P
[07:39] <gnomefreak> btw it will still do malone as default
[07:39] <AlexLatchford> when did that get setup?
[07:39] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: a while ago i think
[07:39] <asac> nice ;) ... default malone is ok too i guess
[07:40] <AlexLatchford> well we will be using Malone more than Mozilla Bugzilla, so it makes sense
[07:41] <asac> gnomefreak: no chance :)
[07:41] <gnomefreak> ;)
[07:41] <Admiral_Chicago> arg, now not all my servers aren't connecting
[07:41] <asac> its always been a pita ... but most bugs do indeed already exist
[07:42] <asac> for crashers we no other chance then looking up talkbacks or searching for arbitrary method names in the stacktrace
[07:43] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[07:43] <AlexLatchford> wrong channel :P
[07:44] <gnomefreak> no it works in -ops and everyother channel
[07:45] <AlexLatchford> ooer
[07:45] <AlexLatchford> @schedule london
[07:45] <gnomefreak> its off in here
[07:45] <AlexLatchford> oh right lol
[07:45] <gnomefreak> i went to ops to get it
[07:46] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: #ubuntu-ops :) its where us ops hang out
[07:46] <AlexLatchford> aha ok
[07:46] <AlexLatchford> fancy
[07:47] <gnomefreak> just another channel for me to autojoin
[07:47] <AlexLatchford> lol yeah
[07:47] <gnomefreak> i autojoin 20 with another 15 on alias
[07:48] <AlexLatchford> yeah I autojoin about 20 or so now
[07:48] <AlexLatchford> across GIMPNET, Mozilla and Freenode
[07:48] <asac> fortunately, I did a major /LEAVE recently .... now down to 11 channels.
[07:49] <gnomefreak> i maybe doing that soon atleast 2-3 channels
[07:51] <AlexLatchford> Cya in an hour people
[08:48] <crimsun> we're on in 12 mins?
[08:51] <asac> ack
[08:54] <gnomefreak> ok i made it back in time :)
[08:54] <crimsun> sack
[08:56] <crimsun> let's gooo firefox
[08:56] <crimsun> silly 31.7 kB/s
[08:57] <gnomefreak> thats about what i get on download :(
[09:34] <Admiral_Chicago> Bug #83118 should be Ubuntu
[09:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83118 in Ubuntu "Some components are non-free" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83118
[09:34] <Admiral_Chicago> keescook: Ubuntu decides the policy, the package does not
[09:35] <keescook> Admiral_Chicago: ah, whoops
[09:35] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: -meeting?
[09:35] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: not time isn't it?
[09:35] <gnomefreak> its been going on
[09:35] <gnomefreak> 35 minutes now
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> hi!
[10:48] <AlexLatchford> :)
[10:48] <AlexLatchford> Well are we going to set one up?
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> we have John, David, you and I on it
[10:48] <AlexLatchford> cool
[10:48] <Admiral_Chicago> if 2 of us say we will give someone a membership, they are in
[10:49] <AlexLatchford> seems reasonable
[10:49] <AlexLatchford> brb
[10:52] <gnomefreak> if you run into bugs where ff has a depends issue please let me know thats an easy fix 80% of time and lets me work on packaging
[10:53] <Admiral_Chicago> okay I can remember that
[10:57] <gnomefreak> who thinks adding colorzilla to repos is a good idea?
[10:57] <AlexLatchford> well at the moment its completely broken
[10:58] <gnomefreak> bug 81964
[10:58] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 81964 in firefox "Firefox segfaults in Feisty with a profile from Edgy" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/81964
[10:58] <AlexLatchford> I emailed the author and the fix he gave me wasn't working
[10:58] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: i tried that already with this bug
[10:58] <AlexLatchford> well its not completely broken, but the eyedropper thing isn;t working, which is what most people use it for
[10:59] <AlexLatchford> there was the response I got from the developer on the mailing list somewhere
[11:00] <gnomefreak> lets see if asac whats to even think about touching that first. i think it sa bad idea personally because its crap. but a good idea in the sense we can keep track of it
[11:01] <AlexLatchford> well all people are going to is install it from Mozilla Add-ons site, then report it as a bug under Firefox
[11:01] <AlexLatchford> yes
[11:01] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: more for us to close
[11:01] <AlexLatchford> yes
[11:01] <gnomefreak> we nee da addons bug tracker
[11:01] <gnomefreak> need a
[11:01] <gnomefreak> is there one?
[11:01] <Admiral_Chicago> as in extension for us?
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> we don't track extensions.
[11:02] <AlexLatchford> erm, dont think there is an add-ons tracker as such
[11:02] <gnomefreak> Admiral_Chicago: as in a place we can say here file it <here to get help>
[11:02] <AlexLatchford> Let me ask in #qa in Mozilla IRC
[11:02] <gnomefreak> upstream dont support them ubutnu dont support them
[11:02] <Admiral_Chicago> gnomefreak: oh I see
[11:02] <gnomefreak> i suggest we close them and dont look back
[11:02] <gnomefreak> cuts our bugs in half
[11:03] <gnomefreak> IMHO if upstream cant suppoort something why should we
[11:03] <Admiral_Chicago> good point
[11:03] <AlexLatchford> I agree, but thats not the attitude to have, its still a part of the software, its a key feature to many people having extensions in firefox
[11:04] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: in that case do we support anything that someone installs on thier pc no matter what? where do we draw the line?
[11:04] <AlexLatchford> hmm ok
[11:04] <AlexLatchford> got me on that one
[11:04] <gnomefreak> i would be glasd to support it
[11:05] <gnomefreak> but we dont have the man power to do it
[11:05] <gnomefreak> we have at tops 3 coders
[11:05] <AlexLatchford> eah I guess
[11:06] <gnomefreak> but like i said i will get with asac in the next 48 hours and see what he thinks to adding suppport for some addons. the problem <addon#1> only has one person taking care of it kind of hurts us if he decides to not support it any more
[11:06] <AlexLatchford> yes
[11:07] <gnomefreak> i would like to see us hav ea bunch of them but i think we should *write* thema nd support them
[11:07] <gnomefreak> instead of relying on someone we cant get intouch with
[11:07] <AlexLatchford> I personally think we should not support the binary versions of it, which Ubuntu maintins
[11:08] <AlexLatchford> but when we get bugs when the user installed it from addons.Mozilla.org then that bug should be sent upstream
[11:08] <AlexLatchford> this way we are not responsible, but we still keep that bug open to watch it
[11:08] <AlexLatchford> but should we keep it open.. meh
[11:08] <gnomefreak> but i dont think we should have open bugs when upstream is the only ones dealing with it
[11:08] <AlexLatchford> hmm yeah I suppose
[11:09] <AlexLatchford> I see your point
[11:09] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: i will agree with you if we can get bugs under 300
[11:09] <AlexLatchford> but until then its not worth it
[11:09] <gnomefreak> or under 100 ;)
[11:09] <AlexLatchford> lol
[11:09] <AlexLatchford> don't think that will happen for a while
[11:09] <gnomefreak> i closed a bunch today
[11:10] <Admiral_Chicago> cool. gk
[11:10] <Admiral_Chicago> gj*
[11:10] <gnomefreak> sometime this week we need to talk to david asac and whoever else
[11:10] <AlexLatchford> well thing is, closing is all well and good
[11:10] <AlexLatchford> alot fo them need to be closed
[11:10] <AlexLatchford> but alot of them also need fixing
[11:10] <AlexLatchford> when you see it though, hardly any a week get fixed
[11:11] <AlexLatchford> there are hundreds of confirmed bugs in the list, but no-one is taking responsibility to fix them
[11:12] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: now we have a maintainer i see bugs being worked on more. today me and asac worked tested a patch for a bug
[11:12] <AlexLatchford> we have a maintainer?
[11:12] <asac> actually we should check anyway if the bug already exist ... linking it to upstream bug instead of closing it is more user-friendly and will inform the reporter if bug gets fixed.
[11:12] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: yes asac is
[11:12] <AlexLatchford> oh right ok
[11:12] <gnomefreak> im closing bugs that are old no info bleh
[11:12] <gnomefreak> notice all the bugs i send to your mail are old ones
[11:13] <gnomefreak> clean old ones work on new ones :)
[11:13] <AlexLatchford> yes
[11:13] <gnomefreak> asac: are we shipping that patch or you gonna work on the progress bar?
[11:14] <asac> yes ... if they are not reproducible anymore and reporter is unavailable, closing bugs from time to time is good.
[11:14] <asac> the procedure for patch inclusion is - due to mozilla trademark policy - not that easy
[11:14] <gnomefreak> oh
[11:14] <asac> we get approval from them as soon as we have a good patch
[11:14] <gnomefreak> ok works for me
[11:14] <asac> then we can include it ... but i might press them so we get fast approval
[11:15] <gnomefreak> asac: only if you can :)
[11:15] <asac> for the download patch ... I will try to address progress window issue too
[11:15] <AlexLatchford> (This process just seems to get more complicated everytime I delve into it)
[11:15] <gnomefreak> AlexLatchford: what one?
[11:15] <AlexLatchford> reporting/triaging/fixing/releasing bugs
[11:16] <AlexLatchford> I am just learning the fixing stage now lol
[11:16] <AlexLatchford> (who it entails)
[11:16] <AlexLatchford> what even
[11:16] <AlexLatchford> seems to be 20 steps to fix a simple bug
[11:17] <asac> i expect to commit a good amount of my time to communicate with upstream in order to get patches approved ... so if you don't want to bother it, you don't have to ;)
[11:21] <AlexLatchford> what language is firefox written in?
[11:22] <gnomefreak> a few afaik
[11:22] <AlexLatchford> whats the main ones?
[11:22] <asac> there are different levels
[11:22] <gnomefreak> java :)
[11:22] <asac> C++ is the core
[11:23] <asac> then you have xul (xml for GUI description)
[11:23] <asac> and js (to implement user interaction)
[11:23] <asac> you could compare implementing the firefox main window more like developing a javascript enabled webapplication
[11:23] <asac> of course its different ... but just to give a hint
[11:24] <AlexLatchford> oh right ok
[11:24] <gnomefreak> im gonna work on a ff build for practice tonight to se if i undertand it right. i have a feeling its a bit differnet than building scribus
[11:25] <asac> probably ;)
[11:25] <AlexLatchford> lol, think my lack of experience in the actually release of fixes is hindering me
[11:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83483 in firefox (main) "[feisty]  Unable to install an extension" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83483
[11:25] <AlexLatchford> I haven't ever worked on development of this scale and trying to get my head around it is a little hard
[11:25] <gnomefreak> since ther eis no debian files to change i assume i just change ubuntus changlog rules control than dh_build tha pbuilder
[11:26] <asac> you want to build the package or upstream source directly?
[11:26] <gnomefreak> asac: rebuild like if i added patch
[11:27] <asac> ah ... ok so rebuilding ubuntu package with patches ... that should be pretty similar to scribus
[11:27] <gnomefreak> version number goes up one. i cant image it s too hard
[11:27] <asac> yes
[11:28] <asac> gnomefreak: if you setup questions i can answer on wiki
[11:30] <asac> very well.
[11:30] <asac> ok. i am off for today. cu and n8
[11:31] <gnomefreak> night
[12:06] <AlexLatchford> ok minutes are out
[12:07] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks AlexLatchford
[12:07] <Admiral_Chicago> did you mail the list+
[12:07] <AlexLatchford> yeah am going to now
[12:07] <Admiral_Chicago> thanks, dinner now
[12:10] <Ubugtu> New bug: #70797 in firefox (main) "firefox crash while trying to save a pdf (dup-of: 45008)" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70797
[12:25] <Ubugtu> New bug: #83497 in firefox (main) "Firefox plugin installer crashes- 7.04 Herd 3" [Undecided,Needs info]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83497