[12:32] <PriceChild> LjL, I give him 5 minutes... 8-)
[12:32] <LjL> PriceChild: if only it were as easy as that... i somehow doubt it ;)
[12:33] <PriceChild> hehe... yet another reason why I'm not an op :)
[12:36] <LjL> PriceChild: i'm just saying i don't think it'll be 5 minutes :P that's for the very obvious trolls
[12:36] <PriceChild> yeah suppose
[12:36] <PriceChild> slight exageration...
[12:47] <LjL> apokryphos: is that drugs or what they're talking about?
[12:48] <apokryphos> only one I've heard of is tylenol
[12:48] <apokryphos> and I think that's like paracetamol
[12:48] <PriceChild> pain killer
[12:48] <PriceChild> asthma sufferers I think...
[12:48] <LjL> alright, i mean as long as they're talking "drugs" as in "medicine"
[12:51] <LjL> [00:50:52]  <rainwalker> apaulm: you sound like an advertisemment <- or like a boring troll
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> yeah
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> Unfortunately we don't kick for boring
[12:51] <LjL> no, but we kick for troll when it's obvious enough
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> yes
[12:51] <LjL> hope it doesn't take too long for it to be
[12:51] <tonyyarusso> waiting
[12:52] <LjL> who's josys36 now... sigh. he found out nobody was listening to him and needed a clone? :\
[12:53] <tonyyarusso> LjL: huh?
[12:53] <LjL> nevermind, just weird-looking randomish nickname, and he immediately asked about his beer... made me think of a clone or friend
[12:53] <LjL> but he's been in #ubuntu for a while i see
[12:56] <tonyyarusso> grabbing food.  bb to watch the idiot in a moment
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> He found a button.
[01:04] <LjL> tonyyarusso: i figured it would have been more painful
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> LjL: I only did a 10-minuter this time, but consider that plenty warning for anything.
[01:08] <LjL> tonyyarusso: queried you or shut up?
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> LjL: nothing yet
[01:08] <LjL> ah wait
[01:08] <LjL> i think there's still +z set?
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> although, I totally thought I had prefixed that one to __mikm with /msg
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> whoop
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> yes, still +z
[01:08] <elkbuntu> josys was in ubuntu-women yesterday and said: <josys36> So where do you find these Ubuntu women?
[01:08] <LjL> so he won't notice he's muted ;)
[01:08] <tonyyarusso> LjL: ahahaa
[01:08] <elkbuntu> so, consider as a potential troll
[01:09] <tonyyarusso> even better
[01:09] <LjL> elkbuntu: hm. then my feeling about him when he joined couldn't be *so* wrong... =)
[01:09] <tonyyarusso> LjL: why didn't we try that on you know who ages ago?
[01:09] <LjL> tonyyarusso: you know who would realize, and you know who is here for the record :P
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> I know :)
[01:10] <LjL> you know who else has quit
[01:10] <elkbuntu> oh man... he's here?
[01:10] <LjL> let's see josys now
[01:10] <LjL> elkbuntu: no not that one...
[01:10] <PriceChild> lol
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> LjL: And, as expected, after less than 10 minutes they get bored and quit :)
[01:43] <gnomefreak> LjL: im betting his issue is config somewhere but since he decided to do what he did ill pass him off
[02:03] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:05] <SportChick> :)
[02:49] <tonyyarusso> *!*@88.232.* still on the loose.
[02:49] <tonyyarusso> SportChick, Giuly2 [n=Giuly2@88.232.73.189 if you haven't already K-lined.
[02:49] <LjL> in our channels?
[02:50] <LjL> i think i'll ban the "-" realname... is there any clients that defaults to that?
[02:50] <tonyyarusso> LjL: No.
[02:50] <tonyyarusso> #wordpress.
[02:50] <LjL> but wait, 88.232 itself is banned i guess
[02:50] <tonyyarusso> yep
[02:53] <LjL> there's a codestr0m online with 88.232, and that one has gaim as realname...
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> LjL: The gaim user is okay.
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> There are one or two legit.
[02:54] <SportChick> tonyyarusso: he was already klined
[02:54] <tonyyarusso> SportChick: 'k
[03:15] <effie_jayx> hehe
[03:39] <nalioth> does anyone know of the 88.232 ip range is banned from #ubuntu ?
[03:40] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: yes.
[03:40] <tonyyarusso> 21:39 -!- 384 - #ubuntu: ban *!*@88.232.* [by tonyyarusso, 71170 secs ago] 
[03:41] <mneptok> 20:05 DCC received CTCP SEND with invalid parameters from FartingLady
[03:41] <mneptok> pity i missed that
[03:41] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: Everywhere Hobbsee or I have access, actually.
[03:41] <mneptok> i would have accepted anything FartingLady was sending
[03:47] <Minataku> rofl
[03:48] <Minataku> Even if it was a malformed DCC?
[03:57] <mneptok> dammit! i said *anything*!
[03:57] <mneptok> :)
[04:09] <Minataku> XD
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> Curiosity: How many channels are there larger than #ubuntu on Freenode?
[04:20] <elkbuntu> gentoo
[04:20] <elkbuntu> as in, #gentoo
[04:20] <elkbuntu> and that's by 9
[04:21] <elkbuntu> #gentoo 926, #ubuntu 917
[04:21] <tonyyarusso> heh, ok
[04:21] <tonyyarusso> fewer than I thought
[04:22] <elkbuntu> wtf... i just got: -Ubugtu- Error: Could not parse XML returned by Ubuntu: unbound prefix: line 28, column 8
[04:23] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, i think however that you'll find ubuntu has the overwhelmingly larger namespace ;)
[04:23] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Yeah
[04:23] <elkbuntu> then again, they seem to be working on that gap too :-/
[04:24] <elkbuntu> lawl
[04:25] <elkbuntu> well.. they have more channels, but less in those channels
[04:26] <elkbuntu> i could have sworn ubuntu was ahead of gentoo on both of those fronts.. but oh well
[05:01] <cables> Hi, can someone test me for the exploit? I updated my router's firmware.
[05:38] <tonyyarusso> I should do that
[06:23] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, beat me to it in #ubuntu...
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I've been watching that one since before you joined.
[06:24] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Did something exciting just happen?
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> PuMpErNiCkLe: Nah.  Regular old !language
[06:25] <PuMpErNiCkLe> ah well
[06:28] <mneptok> ididots.
[06:28] <mneptok> you're ALL ididots.
[06:29] <SportChick> tonyyarusso: you never went to sleep?
[06:29] <mneptok> the "oomph" of calling someone an idiot is greatly tempered by an inability to type the word correctly.
[06:29] <Madpilot> not sure about idiots, but we all volunteered as ops, so that brings our sanity into question, at least ;)
[06:30] <tonyyarusso> SportChick: Umm...
[06:30] <tonyyarusso> crud
[06:30] <SportChick> hehe
[06:30] <tonyyarusso> SportChick: It's not bad yet.  Only 00:30.
[06:30] <SportChick> tonyyarusso: must have been an hour or two ago when you said nn
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: Tell SportChick how often I actually go to bed for real.
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> :P
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> I was so considering it
[06:31] <SportChick> hehe tonyyarusso
[06:31] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, you have an allergy to sleep, don't you? ;)
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> But, I'm paying attention to a Digg thing for a moment
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: yeah
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> Gives me hives like none other
[06:32] <mneptok> SportChick: no offense, not knowing you and all, but an IRC nick with "Chick" it it seems at least masochistic, if not downright self abusive.
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> :)
[06:32] <mneptok> SportChick: your /msg logs must be a thing of horrific beauty.
[06:32] <tonyyarusso> /nick toniyarusso
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> don't we all...
[06:33] <Hobbsee> SportChick: mneptok's a bastard, you'll have to get used to him.
[06:33] <mneptok> arr.
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> ouch
[06:33] <mneptok> too old.
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> What was the ice age like mneptok ?
[06:34] <mneptok> cold, mostly.
[06:34] <tonyyarusso> Any cute squirrels get hit by lightening?
[06:35] <tonyyarusso> HA!
[06:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> SportChick: You don't know my measurements, do you?
[06:36] <SportChick> tonyyarusso: it's your PRESENCE that matters :)
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> aaaahh
[06:36] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: 34C?
[06:36] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: my LEG isn't even 34.
[06:36] <Madpilot> mneptok, I was waiting for something along those "lines" ;)
[06:37] <Madpilot> tonyyarusso, if your legs were 34" around, I'd be... wondering what species you were, actually...
[06:37] <tonyyarusso> Madpilot: I meant long.
[06:37] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: ummm ... i should hope a single leg has a smaller circomference than does your torso ...
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: ^^
[06:38] <mneptok> circumference, too
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> argh
[06:38] <mneptok> omg i said cum
[06:38] <tonyyarusso> Fine, I'll check for you what my torso is :P
[06:38] <mneptok> in front of a *GIRL*!
[06:38] <Madpilot> @lart mneptok
[06:38] <mneptok> mmm .... dusty.
[06:39] <Hobbsee> @lart 28 mneptok
[06:39] <SportChick> @tonyyarusso++
[06:40] <mneptok> SportChick: short list.
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> eh, not as bad as I thought.  Guess the torso is like 32/33.
[06:40] <SportChick> longer than the *other* list
[06:40] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: and cup size?
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> It's waist that's the laugher.
[06:40] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: non-existent.
[06:41] <SportChick> @madpilot++
[06:41] <SportChick> @hobsee++
[06:42] <SportChick> @mneptok--
[06:42] <mneptok> yay! i'm unique!
[07:04] <elkbuntu> SportChick, does actioning violence on people who do not display manners count for displaying manners?
[07:04] <SportChick> elkbuntu: ?
[07:04] <mneptok> hehehehe
[07:05] <mneptok> type it slower.
[07:05] <Madpilot> sometimes a clout on the back of the head can be a learning tool
[07:05] <elkbuntu> SportChick, if, for instance, i now do: '/me thwumps mneptok', would that be bad manners?
[07:05] <mneptok> Madpilot: running for US president?
[07:05] <SportChick> elkbuntu: given the recipient, of course not :)
[07:06] <elkbuntu> ooh goodie
[07:06] <Madpilot> mneptok, the current occupant of that office might be in need of some education, yes ;)
[07:08] <elkbuntu> Madpilot, educating someone usually implies their ability to comprehend and the brainspace the absorb information ;)
[07:10] <nalioth> and the ability to act upon the new information
[07:11] <elkbuntu> nalioth, indeed
[07:25] <Madpilot> SportChick, strange, surreal & regrettable conversations are inevitable around mneptok - it seems to be a field he generates
[07:25] <elkbuntu> SportChick, are you completely sure you're suited to this IRC environment?
[07:25] <elkbuntu> yay, someone voted for me!
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: I haven't voted yet either - thinkin' about it
[07:26] <nalioth> Please vote for ME!
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> ......
[07:26] <tonyyarusso> nalioth: hush up - you can't have TWO seats
[07:27] <SportChick> elkbuntu: I have my own little corner of irc carved out - I retreat there when necessary :)
[07:27] <SportChick> vote for me!
[07:27] <mneptok> i'll vote for whoever will appoint me Treasurer. or Magical Fairy Princess With A Winged Talking Unicorn And Flowers All Over Her.
[07:27] <elkbuntu> lol
[07:28] <elkbuntu> use it in your corner
[07:28] <mneptok> (i.e. deodorant)
[07:28] <elkbuntu> basically
[07:28] <SportChick> elkbuntu: hehe
[07:29] <elkbuntu> mneptok, that is one thing i found strange at UDS... people were suprisingly hygenic
[07:30] <elkbuntu> meanwhile, by the end of LCA week... the theatres smelled like trash cans from the cumulative odor of certain people wearing the conf shirts for 5 days straight
[07:31] <mneptok> elkbuntu: nation of convicts etc etc yadda yadda ad infinitum et astra
[07:31] <Madpilot> ah, convention people who don't bother bathing - glad to see that's a near-universal phenom...
[07:37] <mneptok> when one of the compositing managers allows people to set the flying toasters as their desktop, Linux will have officially jumped the shark.
[08:30] <mneptok> Tonight - Flurries ending this evening then clearing. Wind southwest 20 km/h. Low minus 21. Cold  wind chill minus 30
[08:30] <mneptok> why did i move here?
[08:46] <Madpilot> skiing?
[08:47] <mneptok> well, the night schedule sorta prevents that, so .... :/
[09:39] <elkbuntu> mneptok, x-r00t-x is a known, i've got kb poised
[09:42] <elkbuntu> gah, dinner. if either he or concept10 gives attitude, you've got my support to injure their egos
[09:42] <jenda> elkbuntu: don't we have a 'no drunks' sign on the door to #ubuntu?
[09:43] <jenda> now wasn't there a mode that wouldn't let anyone with over 0.05% in their blood...
[09:58] <Seveas> warning
[09:58] <Seveas> concept10 incoming here
[09:58] <concept10> mneptok, why did you ban me
[09:59] <mneptok> concept10: because i warned you repeatedly to stop certain behavior, and you chose to ignore those warnings.
[10:00] <concept10> you didnt warn me, I didnt do anything that warrants a warning
[10:00] <Seveas> concept10, please get sober before joining #ubuntu
[10:00] <concept10> I only asked that you stop messaging me and you kick/banned me
[10:01] <mneptok> concept10: i did not send you private messages. i addressed you on a public channel.
[10:01] <concept10> Seveas, I was kidding, I get kick/banned for this reason
[10:01] <mneptok> concept10: if you do not want to be spoken to on a public channel, do not /join a public channel.
[10:01] <Seveas> concept10, you were misbehahaving, that's why you were banned afaics
[10:02] <Seveas> but I didn't see all of what happened
[10:02] <concept10> mneptok, I did nothing that warrants a ban.  You have to wake up
[10:02] <concept10> mneptok, does that warrant a ban if I say do not talk to me?
[10:02] <concept10> You have got to be kidding me
[10:03] <mneptok> concept10: such remarks only serve to further my belief that the ban was warranted.
[10:03] <concept10> mneptok, Please dont abuse ops
[10:03] <concept10> I did nothing to anyone in the channel
[10:03] <concept10> including you
[10:03] <Seveas> concept10, please don't drink & misbehave on irc...
[10:03] <concept10> Seveas, please look at the log
[10:04] <concept10> I did not say anything hurtful to anyone
[10:04] <concept10> look at the log yourself
[10:04] <Seveas> I did
[10:04] <mneptok> 03:41 < concept10> SurfnKid, Did I ask your input, kid>
[10:04] <Seveas> you ask offtopic things and pick on people who answer
[10:04] <Seveas> and you're drunk
[10:04] <Seveas> and bragging about it
[10:05] <Seveas> sober up, then rejoin
[10:05] <concept10> Seveas, come on.  I have been around this community since the start, and this is what I get for someone asking me something crazy?
[10:06] <concept10> This isnt right
[10:06] <Seveas> concept10, even people who have been around for a long time still have to behave
[10:06] <mneptok> what crazy thing did someone ask you?
[10:07] <concept10> He asked me something crazy, I responded crazy, do you ban everyone for that reason?
[10:07] <mneptok> concept10: and for the record, if Seveas asks me to stop certain behavior, i do. regardless of my connection to Ubuntu.
[10:07] <jenda> concept10: you were disrespectful towards other inhabitants of the channel.
[10:07] <concept10> No, you banned me because I told you to stop addressing me
[10:07] <concept10> he was disrespectful towards me
[10:07] <jenda> concept10: and, you were off topic.
[10:07] <concept10> Who decides the disrespect?
 anyone here under 25 years old>
[10:08] <jenda> concept10: to be honest, the operators do.
[10:08] <concept10> Offtopic, I agree
[10:08] <jenda> concept10> SurfnKid, Did I ask your input, kid>
[10:08] <concept10> did I do something worth banning? No.
[10:08] <jenda> disrespectful?
 sorry, im superbowl party drunk
[10:08] <jenda> drunk.
[10:08] <mneptok> concept10: i banned you because you were rude to SurfnKid, denied being rude when warned by elkbuntu, and then repeatedly told me to stop speaking to you. if you want ops to treat you with respect, show a little yourself.
[10:09] <concept10> jenda, kid - was a play on his name
[10:09] <concept10> how am I supposed to know your ops
[10:09] <elkbuntu> concept10, there are 4 ops here that have agreed that your actions were inexcusable. arguing is not going to get you any further. the ban will likely be for only 24 hours, by which time your BAC will have abated and you will have recovered from the hangover.
[10:09] <concept10> I only asked for you to stop talking to me
[10:10] <concept10> No more arguing
[10:10] <Seveas> concept10, that attitude is so horribly wrong
[10:10] <concept10> I like Ubuntu
[10:10] <Seveas> you have to respect everybody, not just ops
[10:10] <mneptok> concept10: you don't know who are ops. you treat *everyone* with a degree of respect.
[10:10] <concept10> Seveas, has helped me much in the past
[10:10] <elkbuntu> concept10, for future "/cs access #channel list" will help you
[10:11] <concept10> I just think the ban is too much
[10:11] <jenda> concept10: it's only 24 hours.
[10:11] <elkbuntu> concept10, consider it cooling off time, and go cool off
[10:11] <mneptok> concept10: and clearly the ops disagree.
[10:11] <jenda> concept10: quite reasonable, considering you're drunk.
[10:11] <concept10> I would agree too if I was ops
[10:11] <Seveas> concept10, you're on wafer thin ice there
[10:11] <concept10> jenda, you dont know if im drunk or lying
[10:11] <mneptok> concept10: arguing about it only makes me look really, REALLY smart for banning you. and you don't want that, do you ... ? ;)
[10:12] <concept10> Im sorry
[10:12] <concept10> Im not trying to argue
[10:12] <concept10> but I have to defend myself
[10:12] <mneptok> and yet you are.
[10:12] <elkbuntu> concept10, go enjoy the party you're at
[10:12] <concept10> I cant let someone tell me whatever they want to
[10:13] <mneptok> or go draw the word "mneptok" on a blank piece of paper and then pee on it out by the shed.
[10:13] <jenda> Aren't people allowed to say whatever they want?
[10:13] <mneptok> that would be cathartic.
[10:13] <concept10> mneptok, Yes. You are really smart.  You made a good decision for the community.  Thanks for you support
[10:13] <jenda> ...unless it's against the medium policies...
[10:14] <concept10> Maybe I went overboard, maybe by "        "   banning, ---->  overboard
[10:14] <concept10> its useless trying to argue my point here
[10:14] <Seveas> concept10, we're going in circles here. I suggest that you stop
[10:14] <elkbuntu> concept10, sorry, but you're not gaining any ground whatsoever. just go enjoy the party you're at
[10:14] <Tm_T> :)
[10:14] <concept10> Seveas, I respect you. I will stop
[10:15] <concept10> Thanks Seveas
[10:15] <Tm_T> concept10: Have fun in irc'n'life. :)
[10:16] <Tm_T> Yes, those two can be in one sentence. ;)
[10:16] <Seveas> life?
[10:16] <Seveas> what's that?
[10:16] <jenda> Tm_T: fun and life in one sentence?
[10:16] <Tm_T> Seveas: Irc is life, didn't you know?
[10:16] <jenda> oh
[10:16] <jenda> in that case...
[10:16] <Tm_T> ;)
[10:16] <mneptok> Seveas: what happens between a pnigout and reconnect.
[10:16] <concept10> Seveas, so he can crack on me and I cant do the same?
[10:17] <jenda> mneptok: I totally hate those times... and they happen very often lately, too.
[10:17] <Tm_T> concept10: IF you hava arguments against his arguments.
[10:17] <Seveas> mneptok, ah, you mean coffee :)
[10:17] <Tm_T> concept10: It's not arguing contest.
[10:17] <concept10> OPS > USER
[10:17] <Tm_T> :/
[10:17] <Seveas> concept10, I asked you nicely to stop, multiple times
[10:17] <Tm_T> I'm normal user, atleast I think I am.

[10:18] <Seveas> since that's clearly not working, I have to mute
[10:18] <Tm_T> I just have to take responsibility to keep peace where I am pointed to.
[10:18] <Tm_T> Anyway, I wish fun moments in irc to you all guys, now some car racing in public street. ->
[10:19] <Tm_T> (Taking mom to tax office)
[10:23] <Madpilot> mneptok, no cloak this morning?
[10:24] <mneptok> Madpilot: i never have one.
[10:24] <Madpilot> no? I thought you used to run with montreal.canonical.something?
[10:25] <Seveas> Madpilot, that's an actual hostename :)
[10:25] <mneptok> not a cloak
[10:25] <Madpilot> ah
[10:25] <mneptok> cloaks use / not .
[10:25] <mneptok> (afaik)
[10:25] <Madpilot> looked cloakish, no great string of alphanumerics like most IPs
[10:26] <elkbuntu> reverse dns lookup can do that
[10:26] <elkbuntu> iir
[10:26] <elkbuntu> iirc*
[10:27] <mneptok> i should prolly petition to get myself the @magical/fairy/princess cloak
[10:27] <elkbuntu> that would be.. interesting
[10:29] <mneptok> check your zipper. your UNBRIDLED SPITEFUL JEALOUSY is showing.
[10:29] <mneptok> *muah*
[10:33] <jenda> mneptok: just have a look at nal.ioth's cloak for "." :)
[10:33] <jenda> mneptok: btw, would you like a cloak?
[10:33] <Seveas> jenda, the magical fairy one :)
[10:34] <mneptok> hehehe
[10:34] <jenda> 
[10:34] <Seveas> jenda, or ubuntu/pony/woody :)
[10:34] <jenda> hehe :)
[10:34] <mneptok> jenda: ah. seems '.' is only used within descriptor-ish fields for cloaked hosts
[10:34] <jenda> Seveas: you know that I can take that as a GC request, right? :)
[10:35] <jenda> mneptok: actually, it's when you have multiple cloaks. And only sometimes at that :)
[10:35] <Seveas> jenda, unfortunately I'm not allowed to give him a pony
[10:35] <mneptok> Seveas: did i ever show you the e-mail i sent to the internal mailing list when the pony announcement was made? :)
[10:35] <jenda> damn.
[10:35] <Seveas> mneptok, no
[10:36] <mneptok> sec ....
[10:36] <jenda> I should've just done it when I had your 'authorization'...
[10:36] <Seveas> jenda, give him the cloak for now and remov it in a few hours ;)
[10:36] <jenda> the pony? :)
[10:36] <Seveas> yeah
[10:36] <Seveas> ubuntu/pony/woodt
[10:37] <Seveas> woody*
[10:37] <jenda> haha...
[10:37] <jenda> alright
[10:37] <mneptok> http://birdhouse.org/pony.txt
[10:37] <mneptok> bah. perms. sec.
[10:37] <elkbuntu> im good at that trick too
[10:37] <mneptok> done
[10:38] <Seveas> Hard Luck
[10:38] <Seveas> Sorry, the page you requested: /pony.txt
[10:38] <Seveas> does not exist on birdhouse.org.
[10:38] <mneptok> gumh
[10:38] <mneptok> http://birdhouse.org/~mnep/pony.txt
[10:38] <mneptok> there we go :)
[10:39] <Seveas> roflol
[10:39] <elkbuntu> Seveas, it is truely a roflcopter moment
[10:39] <Seveas> it is indeed
[10:40] <mneptok> i was .... excited.
[10:41] <jenda> stylus?
[10:41] <jenda> 
[10:41] <Seveas> mneptok, that's an understatement :)
[10:41] <stylus> Hey jenda :)
[10:41] <stylus> I see  as a box. :o
[10:41] <elkbuntu> mneptok, excited in an innocent schoolgirl way, right?
[10:42] <Madpilot> stylus, which IRC app are you using?
[10:42] <mneptok> Seveas: mark the occasion well. "mneptok" and "understatement" in the same setanece will have a lot of people questioning your ability to reason clearly. ;)
[10:42] <stylus> mIRC, atm. That explains why. ;)
[10:42] <jenda> Seveas: it seems the pony is just inaccessible ;)
[10:43] <Seveas> jenda, ?
[10:43] <jenda> I can't get anyone to turn it on :)
[10:43] <Seveas> heh
[10:43] <elkbuntu> jenda, no response or a no response?
[10:44] <jenda> Got a response.
[10:44] <jenda> One cloak coming.
[10:44] <jenda> :)
[10:44] <elkbuntu> yay
[10:44] <mneptok> http://mneptok.com/pony-cd-cover.jpg should convince them of my seriousness
[10:44] <mneptok> :)
[10:45] <jenda> * [mneptok]  (n=mneptok@ubuntu/pony/woody/mneptok): Kurt von Finck
[10:45] <mneptok> wheee!
[10:45] <elkbuntu> bwahah
[10:45] <mneptok> Freenode gave me a Woody!
[10:45] <elkbuntu> blog time mneptok
[10:45] <elkbuntu> oh... dear
[10:45] <jenda> mneptok: not at all - freenode gives you whatever Seveas asks for ;)
[10:46] <jenda> happened to me twice this year.
[10:46] <jenda> :)
[10:47] <jenda> my chair has 4 bolts which hold it in  place... two are gone... and the remaining two loosen slowly, and whenever one of them falls out, the chair collapses to one side or the other :)
[10:47] <mneptok> holy cow! an EtienneG!
[10:48] <EtienneG> mneptok, Seveas had me check your whois info
[10:48] <elkbuntu> EtienneG, you didnt hurt yourself falling off your chair did you?
[10:48] <mneptok> EtienneG: my reputation seems not only to proceed me, but do so in measurements of light years.
[10:49] <EtienneG> no ... I was kind of expecting it, actually
[10:49] <elkbuntu> EtienneG, then you'd also be expecting: <mneptok> Freenode gave me a Woody!
[10:50] <EtienneG> still a pretty good one, anyway :)
[10:51] <mneptok> time to go downstairs for a smoke, and to awaken the security guard.
[10:51] <mneptok> :/
[10:51] <elkbuntu> awakening security is always a good idea
[10:52] <elkbuntu> as is a smoke, afk also
[01:44] <Tm_T> @karma tm_t
[01:44] <Tm_T> Hmm.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> nalioth: rob ping?
[02:39] <Hobbsee> only one regular person has ops in -bugs - that needs fixing.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> + -meeting
[02:41] <apokryphos> -devel doesn't have many ops, too
[02:41] <Hobbsee> indeed
[02:41] <Hobbsee> which one?
[02:42] <gnomefreak> btw there is a !staff trigger now for in here iirc
[02:42] <apokryphos> #u-devel ; I'd say #kubuntu-devel is probably ok
[02:42] <apokryphos> heh
[02:42] <apokryphos> !search staff
[02:42] <ubotu> Found: staff-#ubuntu-ops, staff*
[02:43] <apokryphos> !staff*
[02:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about staff* - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:43] <apokryphos> hm
[02:43] <Seveas> (the * means deleted)
[02:43] <Seeker`> how do you add freenode staff to the channel access list?
[02:43] <Seveas> !info apokryphos edgy
[02:43] <ubotu> Package apokryphos does not exist in edgy
[02:43] <apokryphos> Seeker`: add *@freenode/staff/*
[02:43] <gnomefreak> ok lied used to have !staff
[02:43] <Seveas> !find Hobbsee dapper
[02:43] <apokryphos> ok, cool
[02:43] <Seveas> ^!staff stil exist, but only in here
[02:44] <ubotu> Package/file hobbsee does not exist in dapper
[02:44] <gnomefreak> ah
[02:44] <gnomefreak> damn no hobbsee package :(
[02:44] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: ah yes.  i did get ops in that
[02:44] <Seveas> !ubotu
[02:44] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:44] <Seveas> !
[02:44] <apokryphos> Seveas: might be a good idea to have a way to view the deleted factoid
[02:44] <Seveas> apokryphos, undelete it :)
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Seveas: can you give some of the regulars ops in -bugs, please?
[02:44] <Seveas> sire
[02:44] <Seveas> sure*
[02:45] <Seveas> not now, am in class
[02:45] <apokryphos> pay attention!
[02:45] <Hobbsee> Seveas: heh.
[02:46] <Seeker`> What level are you meant to add them at?
[02:46] <PriceChild> 10?
[02:47] <gnomefreak> anything under 10 is pretty much useless
[02:47] <PriceChild> mneptok, how much xp you got? :)
[02:48] <Seveas> he has vista
[02:48] <PriceChild> Seveas, pay attention! :)
[02:48] <mneptok> PriceChild: already upgraded to Vista Home Consumer Desktop Media Basic Upgrade Edition.
[02:48] <PriceChild> ewwwwww :)
[02:48] <apokryphos> Seeker`: you can /cs level #channel list to get a run down of the different levels
[02:48] <Hobbsee> mneptok: you insane thing.
[02:49] <Hobbsee> @lart mneptok
[02:49] <apokryphos> Seeker`: only real difference between 10 and 25+ is use of the CLEAR command. Ops 30 or above can add new ops
[02:49] <Seeker`> apokryphos: I was just wondering what level freenode staff should be added to the channel as
[02:49] <apokryphos> Seeker`: oh, same as any other ops in the channel. Below 30 though.
[02:51] <apokryphos> Seeker`: what channel is that?
[02:51] <Hobbsee> @lart mneptok for missing
[02:51] <Seeker`> apokryphos: #ubuntu-scribes
[02:52] <apokryphos> Seeker`: note that there's no difference between 10 and 15 :P
[02:52] <apokryphos> or 10-19
[02:52] <Seeker`> shoudl there be?
[02:52] <apokryphos> nope
[02:52] <apokryphos> just noticed you had one person on 10, and one 15
[02:53] <Seeker`> 15 allows akick modification
[02:53] <apokryphos> why would you use akick though?
[02:54] <apokryphos> automatically kick when they enter the channel
[02:54] <Seeker`> i dont know :P
[02:54] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[02:54] <apokryphos> no point in it, really.
[02:54] <apokryphos> if you don't want them in the channel then ban them :P
[02:55] <Hobbsee> akicking would be *far* more fun :)
[02:55] <Seeker`> what does that clear command do?
[02:55] <apokryphos> Seeker`: see /cs help clear
[02:55] <apokryphos> i.e. for clearing all bans, or removing all users from the channel, etc
[02:55] <Seeker`> cool
[02:56] <PriceChild> wow that clear is powerful... :P
[02:56] <apokryphos> Seeker`: it's also the one way to kick staffers :P
[02:56] <Hobbsee> neat
[02:56] <mneptok> Hobbsee: if you can find a client that automatically accepts invites, setting a bot to /invite and then akick *really* massages that sadist streak.
[02:56] <Hobbsee> mneptok: heh
[02:57] <Seeker`> mneptok: and then hope the user has auto-rejoin enabled
[02:57] <apokryphos> who here has autorejoin enabled? ;-)
[02:57] <mneptok> "if you can find a client that automatically accepts invites"  ;)
[02:58] <Seeker`> mneptok: If they have autorejoin after kick enabled, you only need to issue one invite
[02:58] <apokryphos> where's GazzaK when you need him :P
[02:58] <Seeker`> heh
[02:58] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: hahaha
[02:58] <Seeker`> it seems quiet without him around
[02:58] <Hobbsee> mneptok: that's Seveas, right?
[02:59] <mneptok> that who?
[02:59] <Seeker`> apokryphos: Maybe its an experiment we need to save for when he reappears next week
[03:00] <Hobbsee> er, that was to apokryphos
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Seveas: PAY ATTENTION!  *cracks whip*
[03:01] <PriceChild> :)
[03:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> :|
[03:01] <Hobbsee> Seveas: to your lecture!  duh.
[03:02] <Seveas> it's boring
[03:02] <Seveas> I already know what he's saying
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Seveas: then you can do the ops :)
[03:02] <mneptok> Hobbsee: you have a banana peel and an old newspaper stuck to your butt.
[03:02] <Hobbsee> mneptok: you've got the wrong girl
[03:02] <mneptok> Hobbsee: i meant "when i think of you"
[03:03] <Hobbsee> s/you/my girlfriend/g
[03:03] <apokryphos> heh
[03:03] <apokryphos> err
[03:03] <apokryphos> there
[03:03] <Hobbsee> hehehe
[03:03] <apokryphos> erm
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> :S
[03:04] <mneptok> and you don't even need the invite.
[03:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> this is floody
[03:04] <Hobbsee> mneptok: how's this for evil?
[03:04] <mneptok> Hobbsee: hold me.
[03:04] <Hobbsee> right, now we can gossip about seveas, anyway :P
[03:04] <apokryphos> argh
[03:04] <Hobbsee> haha
[03:04] <PriceChild> Lol....
[03:04] <PriceChild> lol
[03:04] <apokryphos> [14:00:12]  ChanServ [ChanServ@services.] : [Seveas]  was not found on the autoremove list for #ubuntu-ops
[03:04] <apokryphos> I don't know why it''s enforcing it still
[03:04] <Hobbsee> now you've killed it!
[03:05] <PriceChild> Oh dear....
[03:05] <effie_jayx> :O
[03:05] <apokryphos> there
[03:05] <apokryphos> argh
[03:05] <Seeker`> Help! I think we need an op in here!
[03:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> happy ?
[03:05] <apokryphos> Seveas: well wasn't that a fun parade
[03:05] <Seeker`> oh...wait...
[03:06] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: how'd you do that?
[03:06] <SportChick> awww who banned Seveas?!? :(
[03:06] <Hobbsee> heya SportChick
[03:06] <apokryphos> Hobbsee: with autorem. I don't recommend anyone use it who has that script enabled :P
[03:06] <gnomefreak> SportChick: who hell more important how
[03:06] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:07] <apokryphos> autorem automatically uses the person's mask I see if they try to join with a given nick
[03:07] <Seveas> hmm, someone needs to have his access removed
[03:07] <apokryphos> I vote for Seveas ;-)
[03:07] <apokryphos> :O
[03:07] <mneptok> ooo! me! ME! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD PICK ME!
[03:08] <Hobbsee> damn, too slow
[03:09] <mneptok> wait ....
[03:09] <mneptok> *sigh*
[03:09] <Hobbsee> @ubuntu/pony/woody/mneptok?
[03:09] <Hobbsee> interesting...
[03:09] <PriceChild> Hobbsee, I asked that a few minutes ago :)
[03:09] <mneptok> i wore it just for you.
[03:09] <Hobbsee> nice :)
[03:09] <apokryphos> Seveas: demoted? :O
[03:09] <mneptok> it shows off my pony, *and* my woody.
[03:10] <Seveas> apokryphos, 10 is normal :)
[03:10] <mneptok> yean, says the person always shaking her "long stick" at us.
[03:10] <Seveas> only irc council should have more ;p
[03:10] <apokryphos> Seveas: me and Hobbsee have 30 since we're super #kubuntu contacts
[03:10] <Hobbsee> Seveas: when does that get decided?
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> mneptok, her+long stick? what are you insinuating :S
[03:11] <Seveas> Hobbsee, when does what get decided?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: yes, but i think we should get it everywehre :P
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Seveas: irc council
[03:11] <mneptok> Kamping_Kaiser: do i have to DCC you a map?
[03:11] <Seveas> next wednesday
[03:11] <mneptok> ;)
[03:11] <Seveas> when I have all votes
[03:11] <Hobbsee> Seveas: as in, tomorrow?
[03:11] <Hobbsee> or as in 8+ days?
[03:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> mneptok, quite likely.
[03:11] <Seveas> 8+
[03:11] <Hobbsee> right
[03:11] <apokryphos> Seveas: anyone who can add new ops to the team should have it, really
[03:11] <Seveas> sorry :)
[03:11] <apokryphos> autoremove can actually be useful, I've decided
[03:12] <Seveas> apokryphos, and only the council can add ops to the team :)
[03:12] <apokryphos> for someone evading a ban by using different IPs, it can automatically ban all of those IPs it tries to use
[03:12] <mneptok> oh.
[03:13] <Hobbsee> mneptok: my Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  is not attached to me.  duh
[03:13] <apokryphos> Seveas: perhaps we'll wait till those things are clarified, because me and Hobbsee can add ops for #kubuntu
[03:14] <apokryphos> i.e. and "It is generally encouraged to add only council-approved operators to access lists of channels, but a channel contact person is free to add other operators at his discretion."
[03:24] <Seeker`> what is a channel contacT?
[03:24] <apokryphos> we abuse the term, really
[03:24] <apokryphos> strictly speaking, it's the person in /cs info #channel
[03:24] <apokryphos> but we use the term to often mean someone who has authority enough to i.e. add new ops in a channel, too
[03:25] <apokryphos> a group contact would be someone who ultimately has control for #channel*
[03:29] <Hobbsee> !seen haggai
[03:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about seen haggai - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:29] <PriceChild> something's broken.... :P
[03:29] <Hobbsee> oh.  does exist.
[03:29] <Seveas> seen has been removed
[03:29] <Seveas> use seenserv
[03:29] <Seveas> /ss seen haggai
[03:29] <Hobbsee> yes, i did.
[03:30] <Hobbsee> (afterwards)
[03:30] <Seveas> /seenserv seen haggai
[03:30] <Seveas> /ss goes to statsserv, useless
[03:30] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:32] <Hobbsee> night all!
[03:32] <Seeker`> night
[03:33] <Seeker`> apokryphos: So group contact is the person that registered the channel, and channel contact is anyone who can modify the access list?
[03:34] <PriceChild> night meanie
[03:34] <PriceChild> Seeker`, group contact is like sev eas for ubuntu...
[03:35] <PriceChild> he "owns" all #ubuntu* channels
[03:35] <Seeker`> ah, ok. i get you now
[03:35] <PriceChild> however some channels have their own group contact, like #ubuntuforums has zenwhen
[03:44] <Amaranth> PriceChild: no, #ubuntuforums has Sevea^s
[03:44] <PriceChild> argh sorry
[03:45] <PriceChild> i meant channel contact
[05:36] <bronson> apokryphos: how can I test?
[05:50] <apokryphos> bronson: ok, you're good to go.
[05:50] <apokryphos> you can join #ubuntu now
[05:51] <bronson> apokryphos: thanks.
[05:53] <Murf__> Can I get some help getting these ports changed over?? :-)
[05:53] <nalioth> what kind of help, Murf__ ?
[05:53] <Murf__> I'm following the instructions in FixDCCExploit for XChat, but it's not going well.
[05:54] <Murf__> I can't find the GUI where I'm supposed to be changing this stuff.
[05:55] <Murf__> The instructions say go to X-chat > server list etc, but I'm not finding that menu anywhere.
[05:55] <apokryphos> network list, then? What else is in that menu?
[05:55] <ubotu> In ubotu, thespirit said: what way is it dangerous?
[05:56] <apokryphos> !bot > thespirit
[05:57] <Murf__> The only thing that comes close is the Freenode Channel LIst GUI but it doesn't give me an offer to edit anything.
[05:57] <nalioth> how do you connect to the server, Murf__ ?
[05:58] <Murf__> From the Freenode Channel List, which pops up the thing I'm typing in now, also with no edit options.
[05:58] <apokryphos> Murf__: what's in your xchat menu?
[05:58] <Murf__> Hold on a sec. THis is my first day on this system...complete noob.
[05:58] <nalioth> apokryphos: he's using xchat-GNOME
[05:59] <nalioth> no wonder it aint working
[05:59] <Murf__> haha
[05:59] <apokryphos> Amaranth: how would you do it there?
[05:59] <Amaranth> do what?
[05:59] <Amaranth> sorry, really busy
[05:59] <apokryphos> change the port to 8001
[05:59] <Murf__> There are instructions for XChat Gnome at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit
[05:59] <Murf__> But they don't seem quite right
[06:00] <apokryphos> nalioth: xchat gnome has tree view for channels
[06:00] <Amaranth> edit->preferences
[06:00] <Amaranth> networks in the left side
[06:00] <apokryphos> this should be added/changed in the Wiki
[06:00] <Amaranth> double click on freenode on the right
[06:00] <nalioth> apokryphos: i'm aware of what is it (and what it isn't)
[06:00] <Amaranth> click the servers tab
[06:01] <apokryphos> nalioth: tree views is good :P
[06:01] <Amaranth> change irc.freenode.net to irc.freenode.net/8001
[06:03] <Murf__> Got it!
[06:04] <apokryphos> ok, now reconnect with it
[06:04] <Murf__> ok. thanks
[06:04] <apokryphos> ok, updated the wiki
[06:05] <apokryphos> not fixed
[06:06] <apokryphos> Murf: it wasn't fixed. Are you sure you're connecting on 8001?
[06:06] <Murf> let me go back and check that screen to see what it says.
[06:06] <apokryphos> ok
[06:07] <nalioth> Murf: are you using xchat-gnome by choice or just because it was there?
[06:08] <Murf> the server tab says 8001, so that at least took...but I'll rejoin...
[06:08] <Murf> Well, it's just what was there. What would you recommend?
[06:08] <nalioth> regular xchat
[06:08] <apokryphos> if you're connecting on 8001 it should be fine
[06:08] <apokryphos> try reconnecting with that
[06:09] <Murf> Is regular XChat another package I need to install or can I just call it up from the terminal???
[06:10] <Murf> I'm not seeing any menu option for it.
[06:10] <apokryphos> you would have to install it; don't worry about that for now though
[06:10] <nalioth> i suspect you'll need to install it using your favorite apt frontend
[06:10] <somerville32> Murf: You also have to enable Universe.
[06:11] <Murf> How do I enable Universe?
[06:12] <nalioth> !tell Murf about multiverse
[06:12] <nalioth> Murf: while you're there, enable multiverse too
[06:12] <nalioth> you'll get about 30,000 more programs to choose from
[06:17] <Murf> I really appreciate the help. I just installed Ubuntu yesterday and had a really cool bonfire with my XP cd's.
[06:19] <nalioth> hopefully you were upwind
[06:20] <SportChick> ohhh
[06:22] <SportChick> Murf: hehe, that reminded me of this (compliments of jenda): http://media1.yourdailymedia.com/files/vistainstallation.wmv
[06:28] <Murf> Sportchick, that's funny. The URL has changed a little though if anybody else is interested. Just search for Vista INstallation at www.yourdailymedia.com
[06:28] <SportChick> heh
[06:30] <effie_jayx> SportChick,  http://youtube.com/watch?v=FVbf9tOGwno ;)
[06:31] <SportChick> effie_jayx: excellent :)
[06:31] <SportChick> ty
[06:41] <hoarycripple> hi I was forwarded here after fixing the DCC exlpoit.  I'm now connected to freenode via port 8001.  can I join #ubuntu again?
[06:41] <apokryphos> hoarycripple: one sec, you will be tested
[06:41] <apokryphos> hoarycripple: ok, you're good to go
[06:42] <hoarycripple> thanks, can I now auto join or do I need to come back here?
[06:42] <apokryphos> you can join #ubuntu directly now
[06:42] <hoarycripple> thank you.
[06:42] <Mez> apokryphos, /msg test?
[06:42] <apokryphos> a /ctcp dcc test
[06:43] <apokryphos> they always expose the vulnerability if it's there
[06:43] <apokryphos> testing in a plain channel doesn't always do it
[06:43] <Mez> apokryphos, I thought it was only through a channel message it worked?
[06:43] <apokryphos> nope. In fact, sometimes a channel message *won't* work, but a /ctcp to the user will.
[06:44] <apokryphos> on some routers, anyway
[06:44] <nalioth> Mez: some of the firmware upgrades don't address the problem
[06:44] <Mez> /ctcp user DCC <insert crud here> ????
[06:46] <apokryphos> dcc send, at least
[07:30] <ubotu> In ubotu, LjL said: !no webcam is <reply> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[07:31] <PriceChild> identify!!! :)
[07:31] <LjL> alright, ubotu identifies me by hostmask now, i'll stop doing this :P
[07:32] <gnomefreak> Seveas: when you get a minute, can we get ubugtu to track mozilla's bug tracker? we have a maintainer for mozilla from debian and he thinks he /win 20
[07:33] <gnomefreak> he would like it* - /win 20
[07:33] <Seveas> /win 20?
[07:33] <Seveas> mozilla bug 1123
[07:33] <Ubugtu> Mozilla bug 1123 in Aurora/RDF BE "8bit characters in TITLE tag, UTF8" [Normal,Verified: fixed]  http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1123
[07:33] <gnomefreak> thats to switch windows
[07:33] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[07:34] <Seveas> has been in there for a while now
[07:34] <gnomefreak> a couple days. i didnt know he was the new maintainer till this morning
[07:35] <gnomefreak> he just told me he meant shorter command but i think thats a bit harder like bz#<bugnumber>
[07:35] <gnomefreak> hes happy with it just the way it is :)
[07:35] <gnomefreak> ignore me ive been working too hard
[07:36] <apokryphos> you can have it as "bug somenumber" if you want
[07:36] <apokryphos> Seveas would just need to change the snarfTarget for you, in that channel
[07:36] <Seveas> gnomefreak, 'bug XXX' does malone, can't have it do mozilla bugzilla as well
[07:36] <apokryphos> ok, I'm out
[07:36] <Seveas> you have to choose :)
[07:36] <gnomefreak> k
[07:37] <gnomefreak> we can leave it :)
[07:37] <gnomefreak> .win 20
[07:37] <Seveas> and being the ubuntu team, i'd say you need malone as default
[07:37] <gnomefreak> damn
[07:38] <SportChick> hehe gnomefreak ...I do that all the time
[07:38] <gnomefreak> Seveas: thats fine
[07:39] <Seveas> m bug 123123
[07:39] <Seveas> mo bug 123123
[07:44] <gnomefreak> @schedule new_york
[07:44] <Ubugtu> Schedule for America/New_York: 05 Feb 15:00: Mozilla Team | 07 Feb 07:00: Edubuntu | 08 Feb 11:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Feb 17:00: LoCo Teams | 13 Feb 11:00: Forum Council | 13 Feb 15:00: Technical Board
[07:44] <gnomefreak> about time
[07:58] <maxamillion> hiya PriceChild
[07:58] <PriceChild> Hello :)
[08:02] <Mez> !search involved
[08:02] <ubotu> Found:
[08:02] <Mez> wheres th "getting involved" page
[08:02] <somerville32> !involve
[08:02] <somerville32> err..
[08:02] <somerville32> :/
[08:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about involve - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:04] <Mez> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate?highlight=%28contribute%29
[08:04] <Mez> !contribute
[08:04] <ubotu> To contribute and help out with Ubuntu, see http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate
[08:08] <jenda> * automatix (n=automati@unaffiliated/automatix) has joined #ubuntu-es
[08:08] <jenda> WTF!!!
[08:08] <LjL> there's just talking about automatix now in #ubuntu...
[08:08] <LjL> actually, arguing against it not being bad
[08:09] <maxamillion> .....
[08:11] <LjL> actually, there's automatix trolls to the attack en masse, i'd say
[08:11] <jenda> Seveas: was I wrong in thinking the IRC council was officially recognised by the CC?
[08:11] <Seveas> jenda, for now yes
[08:12] <Seveas> I want to get it governance/processes working before going to the CC
[08:13] <jenda> ok
[08:17] <ompaul> 05:00 UTC I shall send you all some snores for that one ;-)
[08:17] <ompaul> I will be fast asleep
[08:18] <ompaul> perhaps that is a good thing :)
[08:20] <Tm_T> Hi kids.
[08:22] <ompaul> that I doubt
[08:23] <ompaul> you're even
[08:24] <Mez> Seveas, surely, as the "IRC team" is recognised as an entity by the CC, then the management is up to that team, meaning the IRC council is recognised
[08:25] <jenda> Seveas: you think you could join #ubuntu-es?
[08:25] <Seveas> jenda, not for a meting
[08:25] <jenda> why not?
[08:26] <Seveas> no time
[08:27] <jenda> ok
[08:27] <jenda> Pelicano is there, and 1, he can voice himself in the moderated channel where jono is trying to speak, 2, he refuses to speak english.
[08:27] <jenda> but meh
[08:31] <effie_jayx> jenda... i don't think they are bing fair with Pelicano
[08:31] <effie_jayx> but that's just me
[08:31] <jenda> effie_jayx: ok
[08:31] <Mez> jenda, Is bueno the translator?
[08:31] <jenda> effie_jayx: I can't know, really - but I've heard many complaints about him, and he has been very impolite to me, personally.
[08:31] <jenda> Mez: no idea.
[08:31] <effie_jayx> jenda... mmm I see...
[08:55] <gnomefreak> .win 20
[08:55] <Mez> hmm
[08:55] <Mez> I need ops in here
[08:56] <Mez> or at least the ability to use /invite
[08:57] <PriceChild> Don't we all Mez ;)
[08:57] <Mez> !pastebin
[08:57] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:00] <Mez> chanserv is down!
[09:01] <PriceChild> Mez, shh :)
[09:01] <PriceChild> fine for me..
[09:01] <Mez> laggy
[09:01] <PriceChild> lol
[09:03] <Mez> ompaul, now that's customer service
[09:03] <Mez> I think thats the first time I've seen a user respond to the ops in the correct manner
[09:03] <ompaul> :)
[09:04] <Mez> cept for the
[09:04] <Mez> !repeat
[09:04] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly, if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[09:07] <effie_jayx> jenda: tough meeting there...
[09:07] <jenda> gah.
[09:07] <jenda> effie_jayx: which loco are you from?
[09:07] <effie_jayx> jenda: the loco structure is not well understood in latin america
[09:08] <effie_jayx> venezuela
[09:08] <jenda> cool.
[09:08] <jenda> I'm writing jono an email.
[09:08] <jenda> you think you could give me a few comments on it?
[09:08] <effie_jayx> ok we can discuss later... I guess..
[09:08] <effie_jayx> sure...
[09:08] <jenda> what's your email?
[09:08] <effie_jayx> efrain@ubuntu.org.ve
[09:09] <jenda> sent
[09:09] <effie_jayx> cool
[09:10] <effie_jayx> mruiz and I were discussing this earlier.. the locos in latin america lack structure... basic IRC, Mailing list, Web
[09:10] <jenda> indeed.
[09:11] <effie_jayx> the argentina team just got their IRC together... they are spread all over the IRC
[09:11] <nalioth> ompaul: jzl seems to be a paste-a-holic
[09:11] <ompaul> aye
[09:16] <somerville32> If you press (left) alt, shift, then num lock, you can control your mouse with the numberpad
[09:19] <PriceChild> haha
[09:20] <PriceChild> I can't figure out right click
[09:20] <TheSheep> somerville32: reading the mailing list? :)
[09:20] <somerville32> lol
[09:20] <somerville32> I can't figure out right click either
[09:20] <somerville32> TheSheep: :)
[09:21] <TheSheep> somerville32: 5
[09:21] <somerville32> 5 is just a click
[09:21] <somerville32> Oh wait
[09:21] <somerville32> Maybe it shift 5?
[09:21] <TheSheep> 0 is just a click
[09:21] <somerville32> Then it isn't working right
[09:22] <somerville32> 5 isn't giving me context menus
[09:22] <TheSheep> somerville32: works for me
[09:22] <TheSheep> sorry, + is normal click
[09:22] <TheSheep> 0 seemsto be that drag-and drop lock
[09:22] <somerville32> It isn't working for me
[09:23] <MagicFab> elkbuntu, or any other ops around ?
[09:23] <somerville32> MagicFab: Whats up? :)
[09:23] <MagicFab> sorry to bother again, but repeated language abuse on #ubuntu-lat
[09:24] <MagicFab> I've repeatedly warned against it, many other users have been invited by its op and are finding this ubuntu channel with people cursing and acting up on it.
[09:26] <MagicFab> brb
[09:37] <jenda> Seveas: ping?
[09:41] <MagicFab> It's a recurring problem and some users are just bragging about registering other ubuntu- channels where it's safe to assume the language abuse will continue - just evading any members capability to remind of the CoC
[09:43] <LjL> i read that "growls at ljl"...
[09:45] <SportChick> hehe LjL
[09:46] <LjL> what about #ubuntu-lat? i suppose only Sevas can do something about that if there's no local ops present?
[09:51] <nalioth> LjL: do they need ops in #ubuntu-lat now?
[09:51] <nalioth> what do you mean by "local ops" ?
[09:52] <Seveas> jenda, ?
[09:52] <LjL> nalioth: their own ops. see magicfab above
[09:52] <Nafallo> Seveas: !
[09:53] <Nafallo> any other freenode staff
[09:53] <Nafallo> ?!
[09:53] <jenda> Seveas: I spoke to pelicano, about that channel-set-to-private, and all I can get out of him is that you agreed with it, and that he will change it if you ask him to.
[09:53] <jenda> Nafallo?
[09:53] <Seveas> wtf
[09:53] <Nafallo> three users just got klined
[09:53] <SportChick> Nafallo: ?
[09:53] <Seveas> he's lying
[09:53] <Nafallo> I wanna know why
[09:54] <Nafallo> ozamosi, Bobcat and LadyFrost
[09:54] <Seveas> jenda, but I'm sure the +s is the least of the problems there
[09:54] <jenda> Seveas: the above regarding #ubuntu-es, which is set to private.
[09:54] <jenda> Yes, Seveas, that's true.
[09:54] <Seveas> !staff
[09:54] <ubotu> Hey nalioth, jenda, rob or SportChick! I could use a bit of your time :)
[09:54] <Seveas> :)
[09:54] <Nafallo> all of them good members of Ubuntu Sweden
[09:54] <SportChick> Seveas: :p
[09:54] <Nafallo> haha
[09:54] <Seveas> SportChick, fix it
[09:54] <Seveas> NOW! :)
[09:54] <jenda> hehe
[09:54] <Seveas> jenda, but I'm sure the +s is the least of the problems there <-- I meant #ubuntu-es as well
[09:55] <SportChick> Nafallo: what is the hostname?
[09:55] <jenda> Seveas: indeed.
[09:55] <SportChick> of the three that got klined
[09:55] <SportChick> Seveas: fix what?
[09:55] <jenda> Seveas: but it would help with a current pressing issue - it could be months before a competent team gets control of the channel.
[09:55] <Nafallo> how can I tell? :-)
[09:55] <Seveas> jenda, what's so pressing?
[09:55] <Seveas> SportChick, they are cloaked :)
[09:56] <SportChick> Nafallo: on their departure message, it should provide the hostname
[09:56] <SportChick> oh, what was the cloak?
[09:56] <nalioth> Nafallo: they were using the wrong tor system
[09:56] <Seveas> SportChick, and quitmsgs don't have hosts
[09:56] <Nafallo> * ozamosi har avslutat (K-lined)
[09:56] <Nafallo> * Bobcat har avslutat (K-lined)
[09:56] <Nafallo> * LadyFrost har avslutat (K-lined)
[09:56] <SportChick> Nafallo: tell them to turn off their tor exit connections and then get back to us
[09:56] <LjL> well, that's not three users, the first two at least are clones
[09:56] <jenda> Seveas: well, my head's currently full, of the just-passed-meeting, but this particular small channel mode issue makes it impossible for the channel users to find help/operators.
[09:56] <Nafallo> okidoki. :-)
[09:56] <Nafallo> thanks
[09:57] <Nafallo> LjL: bnc :-)
[09:57] <LjL> i see
[09:58] <jenda> Seveas: do you have time to read an email?
[09:58] <Seveas> jenda, /cs access #ubuntu-es list
[09:58] <Seveas> wfm
[09:58] <Seveas> btw, that access list is HORRENDOUSLY INSECURE
[09:58] <jenda> wfm?
[09:59] <Seveas> works for me
[09:59] <jenda> yes
[09:59] <jenda> but, Seveas, you have access 30
[09:59] <Seveas> 29
[09:59] <jenda> err
[09:59] <jenda> 29
[09:59] <jenda> -ChanServ- An access level of [1]  is required for [ACCESS LIST]  on #ubuntu-es
[09:59] <nalioth> hybrid: you're wrong, seveas has 10000 on that list
[09:59] <jenda> /cs info #ubuntu-es
[09:59] <jenda> -ChanServ- Channel [#ubuntu-es]  is private
[10:00] <Seveas> I'd like to keep it that way until the channel list is less insecure
[10:00] <Seveas> it's seriously bad
[10:00] <Seveas> anyone can get access when they see the list
[10:00] <Seveas> up to level 29
[10:01] <nalioth> Seveas: i wonder how that list even works
[10:01] <jenda> Seveas: not really - I believe you have to be identified on the nick in question.
[10:01] <Seveas> seriously, how long will it take before someone competent takes over that channel?
[10:01] <Seveas> jenda, not with access entries like nick!*@*
[10:01] <LjL> bwahaha
[10:02] <LjL> that doesn't take someone *competent* :P
[10:02] <LjL> it just takes someone who's heard this conversation
[10:02] <Seveas> LjL, I mean when will someone competent take over pelicanos duties as leader
[10:03] <LjL> ah
[10:05] <SportChick> LjL: you scared them all off
[10:05] <Nafallo> SportChick: ozamosi says it's off now :-)
[10:06] <SportChick> one moment
[10:07] <SportChick> Nafallo: tell him to reconnect
[10:07] <jenda> Seveas: I'll check that - but it'll take at least 14 days till the next meeting, and I believe it won't get settled there either.
[10:07] <SportChick> Nafallo: let him know that if he turns that back on, he'll just end up klined again though
[10:08] <Seveas> jenda, keep the access list private until then
[10:08] <Nafallo> SportChick: thanks. I will :-)
[10:08] <SportChick> Seveas: may I pm?
[10:08] <Seveas> SportChick, always
[10:08] <jenda> Seveas: alrighty.
[10:09] <LjL> SportChick: who, the -es guys? they darn well be scared!
[10:09] <SportChick> LjL: yep hehe
[10:10] <jenda> Seveas: no, I can't gain access, even if I change my nick to one of those.
[10:11] <Seveas> jenda, that's a relief
[10:11] <LjL> can unregistered users have chanserv access at all?
[10:11] <jenda> I hope nobody notices me joining under an ops nick :)
[10:11] <jenda> LjL: AFAIK, no.
[10:11] <LjL> then that's why i suppose
[10:12] <LjL> as long as they don't have nick*!*@*...
[10:12] <jenda> well...
[10:12] <jenda> they do.
[10:12] <LjL> note the first star
[10:12] <jenda> oh
[10:12] <jenda> of course ;)
[10:26] <somerville32> Where is Mez when you need him?
[10:46] <Amaranth> hey Mez, Burgwork
[10:46] <Mez> hi Amaranth
[10:47] <Amaranth> Mez: PM?
[10:47] <jenda> Don't!
[10:47] <jenda> It's a trap!
[10:47] <jenda> 
[10:47] <Mez> Amaranth, what for ?
[10:48] <Amaranth> your server
[10:48] <Mez> is it fucked again ?
[10:48] <Amaranth> nah, just a little problem with wordpress
[10:49] <Mez> ah cool, #web ?
[10:49] <Amaranth> do you have some setting disabled that would make wordpress not be able to talk to akismet.net?
[10:49] <Amaranth> not really something for #web :)
[10:50] <Mez> oh, akismet works with my WP
[10:50] <Amaranth> let me try again
[10:50] <Amaranth> the server was acting weird at the time
[10:50] <Amaranth> jumping between less than a second and 20 seconds to render the admin interface
[10:51] <Mez> Amaranth, one sec
[10:52] <Amaranth> yay it worked this time
[10:52] <Amaranth> nevermind then
[10:52] <Amaranth> no more comment spam for me :)
[10:52] <Mez> 11 hours ago was this by any chance ?
[10:52] <Amaranth> nah
[10:52] <Amaranth> closer to 24
[10:53] <Mez> ah, well the server was having issues this mrning
[10:53] <Mez> I rebooted it
[10:54] <Amaranth> maybe the reboot fixed my problem
[10:55] <Mez> probably
[10:55] <Mez> it fixes lots of problems
[10:55] <Mez> i cant find out why it just ... dies now and then
[10:56] <Amaranth> heh
[10:58] <Mez> it's like it's running windows
[11:20] <Mez> Amaranth, is the server broken again for you
[11:26] <Seeker`> is there a channel that new teams should go to for help?
[11:35] <LjL> yes, the #ubuntu-es ops don't have a clue at all.
[11:37] <LjL> besides - are they actually trying to make #ubuntu-es a channel for *spanish* (not spanish *speaking*) people only, and move everybody else to #ubuntu-lat? is that what magicfab was saying? that seems to be what they were saying now. and claiming that it's jono who's decided so, if i got that correctly... i hope i didn't.
[11:39] <jenda> LjL: no.
[11:40] <jenda> Jono did try to push for that.
[11:40] <jenda> But I think he won't manage. I hope he won't - and I hope we'll manage to convince him :)
[11:40] <jenda> Not even the spanish people want that.
[11:41] <LjL> i'm not normally involved with the -es channels, or with anything that's not english actually
[11:41] <LjL> but i'd oppose that totally
[11:41] <LjL> it's like saying that *i* shouldn't come to #ubuntu because i'm not english/american/whatever
[11:41] <LjL> that's incredibly stupid
[11:42] <nalioth> and it won't fly very long
[11:42] <LjL> i hope it won't fly at all
[11:43] <LjL> the #ubuntu-es op who doesn't have a clue about what linux is is already making jokes of my spelling, unless i'm very much mistaken, instead of arguing for his (non-existent) point... he discovers i'm not spanish, he shows me the way out? no, not really, that's not the way
[11:48] <jenda> LjL: I believe jono didn't really investigate the problems there, and was solving stuff that wasn't really an issue at all. I don't blame him - he's got tons on his schedule, but it'll have to be addressed again.
[11:49] <LjL> is there any relevant meeting log or something?
[11:49] <jenda> (he came in and +m'd the channel, and had a talk, with comments from -es-comments, but that was it)
[11:49] <jenda> LoCobot log'd it.
[11:49] <LjL> i'll look
[11:49] <LjL> !logs
[11:49] <ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[11:50] <LjL> besides, there's already been some complaining about both -es and -lat in here, which means something is wrong, and from what i can begin to understand, it's probably more than something
[11:50] <Mez> neone want a game of frozen bubble 2
[11:51] <jenda> LjL: it's way more than the channels.
[12:01] <LjL> jenda: got a date for the jono talk, to know which log to read?
[12:01] <jenda> LjL: today, 19:00 UTC
[12:01] <jenda> or yesterday, if you're more than UTC :)
[12:02] <LjL> yeah, 0:01 here ;P
[12:09] <LjL> gee is locobot's site slow
[12:11] <yipe> thanks nalioth
[12:12] <yipe> so how long am I muted in -offtopic?
[12:15] <Tm_T> Ok.
[12:15] <yipe> :D
[12:17] <yipe> so.... when can I chat in u-offtopic again?
[12:19] <nalioth> yipe: when your mute is lifted.  (and i don't know when that will be, but it will be revisited in the future)
[12:20] <yipe> revisited eh?
[12:21] <yipe> I still think this is a bit much for a brief summary of a dream
[12:21] <yipe> it's not like I went into nasty detail or something
[12:21] <nalioth> yipe: be that as it may.
[12:25] <yipe> +z?
[12:25] <Seveas> hey Hobbsee
[12:25] <yipe> what's that mean? Isn't that the one where only ops can see what you say?
[12:26] <Hobbsee> hey all
[12:26] <Hobbsee> yes
[12:26] <Hobbsee> hey Seveas!!!!
[12:27] <nalioth> yipe: that is correct
[12:27] <Hobbsee> heya nalioth
[12:27] <nalioth> hi Hobbsee
[12:27] <nalioth> Hobbsee: what did you need earlier?
[12:27] <yipe> so I assume that since you two can see me that people with voice can see it too
[12:27] <nalioth> Hobbsee: or, 'did you get sorted' ?