[12:38] <maxamillion> PriceChild: seeeeeeee
[12:38] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[12:40] <crimsun> "seeeeeeee"?
[12:40] <crimsun> the world has gone mad!
[12:40] <maxamillion> crimsun: lol
[12:41] <maxamillion> crimsun: Pricey was saying that i was a "real op" because i op a bigger channel than he does, and i proved him wrong because his channel is in fact larger in population
[12:41] <crimsun> "his" being?
[12:41] <PriceChild> #ubuntuforums :)
[12:42] <crimsun> how many in there?
[12:42] <maxamillion> 78
[12:42] <crimsun> pssht
[12:42] <PriceChild> hee
[12:42] <crimsun> take a look at #ubuntu
[12:43] <maxamillion> i would rather not visit the zoo right now
[12:43] <crimsun> being an op isn't necessarily a good thing ;)
[12:43] <maxamillion> yeah, i know
[12:46] <PriceChild> responsibility not a privelage and all that :)
[12:55] <systest> maxamillion: FWIW, the latest netboot gave me the option to install the various desktops after it installed the base
[12:56] <maxamillion> systest: oh, that's awesome ... i will keep that in mind if anyone brings up the question again
[12:56] <PriceChild> netboot of what distro?
[12:56] <systest> agreed, nice surprise
[12:57] <systest> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/edgy/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/netboot.tar.gz
[12:57] <systest> ubuntu edgy
[12:57] <maxamillion> awesome, thanks for the tip
[12:59] <maxamillion> i'm getting off work, bbl
[01:45] <grazie> !gtk+
[01:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gtk+ - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:13] <keb> anyone know how i get xchat to be actually transparent with beryl
[02:19] <PuMpErNiCkLe> !info transset
[02:19] <ubotu> transset: X transparency manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.1.0+cvs.20041114-0ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 52 kB
[02:21] <keb> thanks
[03:29] <Wally> Could someone please tell me how to find my graphics card model in Xubuntu?  I'm inexperienced with Linux.
[03:30] <crimsun> lspci -v |grep -i graphic
[03:31] <Wally> Thank you!
[03:32] <Wally> Do I just type that in terminal?
[03:34] <Wally> Oh, I found it.  Thank you again!
[04:36] <keb> what is the command that starts the facility which lets me rightclick on the desktop to get a menu?
[04:39] <PuMpErNiCkLe> xfdesktop
[04:39] <keb> thanks
[04:39] <keb> dunno why mine crashed
[05:26] <Commander-Crowe> WHO'S WINNING THE SUPER BOWL?!?!?!
[05:29] <keb> We are, by not participating!
[05:29] <keb> :P
[05:29] <keb> i'm cheering for xubuntu myself
[05:29] <Commander-Crowe> you not from here?
[05:30] <keb> i'm here, where are you?
[05:30] <Commander-Crowe> hell
[05:30] <keb> that can't be fun
[05:31] <Commander-Crowe> it was 76 today
[05:31] <Commander-Crowe> wadaya know
[05:31] <keb> warm
[05:31] <ZellSF> Xubuntu doesn't have some sort of firewall enabled by default?
[05:33] <Commander-Crowe> no
[05:34] <ZellSF> damn
[05:34] <ZellSF> I can't get active mode to work in DC++ for some reason
[05:35] <keb> do you have a router?
[05:35] <ZellSF> Yes, but it's properly configured
[05:37] <keb> does DC++ use UPnP to configure itself to the router or do you have to set the ports etc
[05:38] <ZellSF> I set the ports
[05:39] <ZellSF> meh, I'm just going to restart the damn router and see if it is causing issues
[05:39] <keb> ok good luck
[05:56] <Commander-Crowe> I need something I can use to browser my samba network
[06:00] <ZellSF> will there be a kernel update to 2.6.17-11 in the official repos?
[06:08] <Commander-Crowe> ZellSF for edgy thats what it is
[06:08] <Commander-Crowe> for Feisty it'll be the latest
[06:08] <ZellSF> yes, I meant for Edgy
[06:09] <ZellSF> will Edgy get the 2.6.17.11 kernel?
[06:11] <Commander-Crowe> it already has it
[06:11] <ZellSF> what
[06:11] <ZellSF> no
[06:11] <Commander-Crowe> or, rather the 2.6.17.11
[06:11] <Commander-Crowe> or, rather the 2.6.17.10
[06:11] <ZellSF> Yes, it has .10, not .11
[06:12] <keb> does .11 have special support for DC++
[06:12] <ZellSF> No
[06:12] <Commander-Crowe> so
[06:12] <Commander-Crowe> the is nor true difference between the two
[06:12] <Commander-Crowe> no
[06:12] <Commander-Crowe> you'f have to move all the way up to 2.6.19.2 to get some differences
[06:12] <ZellSF> .11 doesn't have a ptrace bug
[06:13] <ZellSF> which likes messing up copy protection in cedega
[06:13] <Commander-Crowe> oh?
[06:14] <PuMpErNiCkLe> Seeing as they've skipped .17.11 to .17.14, I wouldn't hold your breath.
[06:15] <ZellSF> that's what they say at least
[06:15] <Commander-Crowe> I'd jsut recomile your kernel up to 2.6.19.2 (or .3 if its out)
[06:15] <ZellSF> damn
[06:15] <ZellSF> oh well, there's other ways to get past copy protection.
[06:15] <ZellSF> though, that really shouldn't be needed with games you have legally :/
[06:37] <xfrost> How can I made that thunderbird open the links in a new tab in firefox?.
[09:43] <cyros> hey guys my xfce desktop wont fully load, i could do alt+F2 and do xfce4-panel but after that im not able to quit the session i get errors
[09:43] <cyros> is there anyway to reinstall xfce4?
[09:44] <cyros> can i login into failsafe terminal and apt-get remove xfce4?
[09:45] <gabkdlly> cyros: I don't see why not. Although, I think xfce4 is just a meta-package. To really remove stuff you would have to follow up with "apt-get autoremove"
[09:46] <gabkdlly> but I can't say whether that would solve your problem
[09:47] <esc_on_anakin> morning
[09:48] <cyros> hmm
[09:49] <cyros> it says xfce4 is not installed, so not removed
[09:50] <gabkdlly> cyros: xubuntu-desktop is probably the package you are looking for
[09:51] <cyros> nice its going
[09:51] <cyros> lets see how this turns out
[09:51] <cyros> :)
[09:57] <cyros> ahh damn it wants the disc
[10:02] <grumpymole> evening, or rather *ning
[10:03] <grumpymole> anyone know the reason why the right Alt key is disabled on a standard Xubuntu install?
[10:03] <grumpymole> Option         "XkbOptions"    "lv3:ralt_switch"
[10:03] <grumpymole> in xorg.conf
[10:10] <Commander-Crowe> hey
[10:10] <cyros> is there anyway i could make it get xubuntu-desktop from the net instead of the cd?
[10:10] <Commander-Crowe> yeah
[10:11] <Commander-Crowe> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[10:11] <cyros> it askes for the CD
[10:11] <Commander-Crowe> ooh
[10:11] <Commander-Crowe> yeha you can block it via the /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:16] <cyros> ahh its time for a reinstall
[10:37] <elementz> hi everybody
[10:37] <elementz> need help regarding the styling of xfce
[10:38] <elementz> how do i enable true transparency for windows? what is the composite manager? can i apt-get it?
[10:38] <elementz> help highly appreciated ;-)
[10:44] <cyros> im gonna try out fluxbuntu
[10:44] <adrian15> Hi. I have some question about Xubuntu. 1) Is it ok for installing it into a 64MB RAM system (alternate 6.10) ? 2) Once installed or being installing can I select language Spanish? 3) Is there any default application that lets you control services so that startup is faster ?
[10:55] <grazie> adrian15: On the Live CD there's a option to add the language pack during the install, so I'd guess the alternate gives a similar option, but I can't guarantee it.
[10:55] <adrian15> grazie: language pack means download it from internet ?
[10:56] <grazie> adrian15: yes and it is quite big
[10:56] <grazie> adrian15: It's no problem to add languages after the install
[10:57] <grazie> adrian15: Don't think there's a particular app to tweak startup services, but we can help you tweak your system
[10:58] <adrian15> grazie: As long as I want to use 6.10 to have the newer applications I think it has something like upstart
[10:58] <adrian15> grazie: and upstart I suppose it is different from the system V init isn't it ? there are not more SXX files, aren't there ?
[10:58] <TheSheep> there is system->services
[10:59] <TheSheep> but sysv-rc-conf gives you more control
[10:59] <adrian15> TheSheep: In 6.10
[10:59] <adrian15> TheSheep: ?
[10:59] <TheSheep> or just do it manually in /etc/rc.*
[10:59] <grazie> adrian15: 64M is on the low side, I think you may find it a bit slow but why not try?
[10:59] <TheSheep> adrian15: yes, it was in 6.06 too
[11:00] <adrian15> grazie: I thought about damn small linux but I suppose it has no spanish support
[11:00] <TheSheep> adrian15: debian :)
[11:01] <TheSheep> or slack
[11:01] <adrian15> TheSheep: I do not like slack.
[11:01] <adrian15> TheSheep: Debian is always too old.
[11:02] <adrian15> It is incredible 73 people on #xubuntu I did not know it was so popular.
[11:02] <TheSheep> adrian15: funny, ubuntu takes its packages from debian and they are not old :D
[11:02] <adrian15> TheSheep: but what about the kernel ?
[11:02] <grazie> adrian15: with that memory I'd be looking at FluxBox or similar for WM myself
[11:03] <esc_on_anakin> what will you need the "very" latest kernel for?
[11:03] <TheSheep> adrian15: better compile it yourself, for better performance
[11:03] <esc_on_anakin> there is that too
[11:04] <adrian15> esc_on_anakin: well, you're right.
[11:04] <adrian15> grazie: fluxbuntu maybe ?
[11:04] <cyros> im installing fluxbuntu right now
[11:05] <cyros> im liking it already even from the live cd
[11:05] <adrian15> cyros: does it have firefox ?
[11:05] <cyros> yea
[11:05] <grazie> adrian15: I've not tried it myself, although I've previously added FluxBox package with good results
[11:05] <esc_on_anakin> but there is of course the problem with using debain-stable , cause there some of the stuff really is too old
[11:06] <adrian15> esc_on_anakin: debian-stable... are you talking about fluxbuntu, xubuntu or debian-stable ?
[11:06] <esc_on_anakin> for example i'd love to have the latest squid on one of my servers, but as it runs a custom-debain-stable i.e. debian-edu its not really available
[11:07] <esc_on_anakin> the debian-stable i use is skolelinux/debian-edu
[11:07] <esc_on_anakin> debain comes in many flavours, i haven't quite understood what they all do
[11:07] <esc_on_anakin> stable unstable experimental testing
[11:08] <esc_on_anakin> anyway stable is the one with all the old packages
[11:08] <esc_on_anakin> !stable
[11:08] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[11:09] <esc_on_anakin> !testing
[11:09] <ubotu> For information on how to help test the next release of Xubuntu and for the results matrix, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Xubuntu/Current
[11:09] <esc_on_anakin> not even sure what x/flux/ubuntu are based on.. oups.. TheSheep ???
[11:13] <esc_on_anakin> any of you know what IP range is reserved for class C networks?
[11:13] <adrian15> grazie: I think I will try xubuntu because it seems easier and fancier than fluxbuntu and if it does not convince my boss I'll put fluxbuntu.
[11:14] <esc_on_anakin> hmmm, xubuntu is great
[11:14] <esc_on_anakin> and the XFCE window manager is a tad fancier than fluxbox
[11:15] <esc_on_anakin> i have xubuntu on a few machines at home
[11:15] <adrian15> esc_on_anakin: with 64 MB ram ?
[11:15] <esc_on_anakin> you can always, install xubuntu, and then add a fluxbox desktop on top of that
[11:15] <esc_on_anakin> tight...
[11:16] <adrian15> tight what does mean ?
[11:16] <esc_on_anakin> my smallest machine is a 230 Mhz Pentium MMx 128 MB ram
[11:16] <elementz> need help regarding xfce4 and composite manager -> enabled composite in xorg.conf -> but i get no composite tab under window settings
[11:16] <esc_on_anakin> i'm not sure it will be enough
[11:17] <elementz> esc_on_anakin, are you talking to me?
[11:17] <esc_on_anakin> no, sorry am talking to adrian15
[11:17] <elementz> esc_on_anakin, oh ok
[11:18] <grazie> adrian15: you don't need to download fluxbuntu to try fluxbox...as esc_on_anakin says...
[11:18] <elementz> esc_on_anakin, do you happen to be familiar with composite manager for xfce?
[11:18] <esc_on_anakin> adrian15, i would try installing xubuntu, and if its too slow, maybe you can aptitude fluxbox .. depends on your hdd space
[11:18] <elementz> or maybe grazie is?
[11:19] <esc_on_anakin> no, no idea about transparency yet, command line junky here :-)
[11:19] <esc_on_anakin> i just have a terminal
[11:19] <esc_on_anakin> and a desktop pager
[11:19] <elementz> esc_on_anakin, lol
[11:19] <elementz> esc_on_anakin, not bad
[11:20] <grazie> elementz: it's a bit fiddly to set up...what version of xubuntu?
[11:20] <esc_on_anakin> hence i use XFCE and Fluxbox, XFCE cause i can see whats going on on my desktops, and fluxbox for slow machines
[11:20] <cyros> just use fluxbuntu
[11:21] <elementz> grazie:actually i am using fluxbuntu updated to edgy then installed xfce via apt-get
[11:21] <esc_on_anakin> but i've never spent more than an hour setting them up, i just kinda setup a bunch of ways of starting xterm or Terminal or aterm and i'm set
[11:21] <cyros> yea thats what i need to do after is update to edgy
[11:21] <cyros> elementz: was that hard to do?
[11:22] <elementz> cyros, no not really
[11:22] <elementz> cyros, just updated the repositories and ran apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:22] <grazie> elementz: TheSheep is the man to ask, but if he's not about I can talk you through it
[11:22] <cyros> sweet
[11:23] <elementz> grazie, i don't mind either way ;-) TheSheep you there and willing to help?
[11:24] <elementz> grazie, guess he's out - so if you don't mind your help would be appreciated ;-)
[11:25] <adrian15> esc_on_anakin: grazie ok thank you
[11:26] <elementz> grazie, i am running edgy eft and xfce 4.3.99.2 (Xfce 4.4 RC2)"
[11:26] <grazie> elementz: have you restarted X since updating /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[11:27] <elementz> yep via alt ctrl backspace
[11:27] <grazie> elementz: find xfwm4.xml on your system
[11:29] <elementz> i've got it twice -> one is locate in my home folder the other one is located under my share folder
[11:31] <grazie__> elementz: Applications > Settings > W M Tweaks
[11:31] <cyros> fluxbuntu is sweet :)
[11:31] <elementz> yep - no composite tab there
[11:32] <grazie__> elementz: disable and re-enable something and close
[11:32] <elementz> ok
[11:33] <elementz> no change
[11:33] <elementz> what about the xfwm4.xml file?
[11:34] <grazie__> elementz: you had a local copy so that's sorted
[11:34] <grazie__> elementz: you should now also have ~/.config/xfce4/mcs_settings/wmtweaks.xml
[11:36] <elementz> ok
[11:37] <grazie__> edit the file and change  > UseCompositing" type="int" value="1"
[11:38] <elementz> done
[11:39] <grazie__> delete ~/.cache/xfce4/desktop/ and reboot. All should be working
[11:40] <elementz> grazie, how would i do that again? 'rm' does not work
[11:40] <grazie__> rm -fdr
[11:41] <elementz> ok restarting
[11:42] <grazie__> elementz: restarting X maybe not do it, reboot
[11:43] <elementz> grazie_, i am ;-)
[11:44] <elementz> grazie_, it's working now! thx a lot!
[11:44] <grazie__> good
[11:44] <elementz> grazie_, may i ask two more quick questions?
[11:45] <Dh3Y0> my c compiler wont create executables when i try to install hydrogen
[11:46] <Dh3Y0> it says so when i type in ./configure
[11:46] <elementz> grazie_, prob is, when i resize the panel (make it smaller) the icons get really way too small
[11:49] <elementz> grazie_, prob is, when i resize the panel (make it smaller) the icons get really way too small
[11:50] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: install build-essential
[11:50] <Dh3Y0> yeah
[11:50] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak;  can i pm
[11:50] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: yes for a bit
[11:50] <grazie> elementz: make it a bit bigger then :)
[11:51] <Dh3Y0> um im not registered so i cant
[11:51] <Dh3Y0> anywho this is what i got wen i try to get the build essential
[11:51] <elementz> grazie, one more, if i may: is there a way to style the panel too? i mean style in a way that it goes with the theme?
[11:52] <Dh3Y0> Err http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.2
[11:52] <Dh3Y0>   404 Not Found [IP: 195.248.90.35 80] 
[11:52] <Dh3Y0> Err http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main libc6-i686 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.2
[11:52] <Dh3Y0>   404 Not Found [IP: 195.248.90.35 80] 
[11:52] <Dh3Y0> Err http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main libc6-dev 2.3.6-0ubuntu20.2  404 Not Found [IP: 195.248.90.35 80] 
[11:52] <Dh3Y0> Get:1 http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com dapper-updates/main dpkg-dev 1.13.11ubuntu7 [163kB] 
[11:52] <Dh3Y0> Fetched 163kB in 19s (8222B/s)
[11:52] <Dh3Y0> Failed to fetch http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6_2.3.6-0ubuntu20.2_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 195.248.90.35 80] 
[11:52] <Dh3Y0> Failed to fetch http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-i686_2.3.6-0ubuntu20.2_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 195.248.90.35 80] 
[11:52] <Dh3Y0> Failed to fetch http://lk.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/g/glibc/libc6-dev_2.3.6-0ubuntu20.2_i386.deb  404 Not Found [IP: 195.248.90.35 80] 
[11:52] <Dh3Y0> E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
[11:52] <grazie> !pastebin | Dh3Y0
[11:52] <ubotu> Dh3Y0: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:52] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0:  please dont paste in here
[11:53] <Dh3Y0> sorry thats why i asked to pm
[11:53] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: remove the country code from the repos
[11:53] <Dh3Y0> how do i do that
[11:53] <gnomefreak> take ou the "lk." and than run sudo apt-get update
[11:53] <grazie> elementz: don't really understand your question
[11:53] <gnomefreak> s/ou/out
[11:54] <Dh3Y0> stilll i dont understand
[11:55] <elementz> grazie, the panel/taskbar does not change it's appearance when i change the window styling -> apply a theme: is there a way to change it's appearance too?
[11:56] <grazie> elementz: what change do you expect? I'm new to xfce, but I wouldn't expect the panel to change in the way you describe.
[11:56] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak; i dont konw how to remove the country code from the repos
[11:56] <esc_on_anakin> i'm such a dork sometimes, just locked myself out of my own router.. haha
[11:57] <grazie> esc_on_anakin: oh dear!
[11:57] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: gksu "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list" when its open let me know
[11:57] <elementz> grazie, well, people seem to do it somehow if you look at screenshots of their desktops...
[11:58] <grazie> elementz: like I said...I'm a newbie
[11:58] <esc_on_anakin> wasn't too hard to fix, as you can see :-) not a problem for you to break stuff, if you can figure out how to fix it :-)
[11:58] <elementz> grazie, np thx anyways for your help
[11:58] <esc_on_anakin> lunchtime
[11:58] <grazie> elementz: np
[11:59] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak; its open
[12:00] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: ok for ever line take lk. out
[12:00] <gnomefreak> make sure all 3 are taken out the l the k the .
[12:00] <Dh3Y0> ok
[12:01] <elementz> grazie, just to show you what i mean http://www.xfce-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=13548&file1=13548-1.jpg&file2=13548-2.jpg&file3=&name=MacOS-X+Aqua+Theme
[12:02] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak; i ve done that but now i cant save the changes it says, "cant open file to write"
[12:02] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: did you use gksu
[12:02] <grazie> elementz: what is it you want me to see?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: the command is gksu gedit /etc/apt/sources.list but put the " from gedit and at end
[12:03] <elementz> grazie, the look of the panel/taskbar...
[12:03] <Dh3Y0> ok lemme try again
[12:03] <grazie> elementz: the stripes?
[12:04] <elementz> grazie, yep
[12:05] <grazie> elementz: I'd have thought that was part of the theme yes, but dock at the bottom is not
[12:05] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak; i m gettin sudo:gedit: command not found
[12:06] <elementz> grazie, yeah guessed that too - but still none of the themes ever changed the look of the panel anyways
[12:06] <grazie> elementz: dunno
[12:06] <elementz> grazie, np - was just trying to show you what i meant ;-)
[12:06] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: again its gksu gedit
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: type exactly what i give you on the next line i type to you (leave your nick off)
[12:07] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak; this is what i wrote (gksu "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list")
[12:07] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: gksu "gedit /etc/apt/sources.list"
[12:08] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: and it doesnt open?
[12:08] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: do you have gedit installed?
[12:08] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak;  no it doesnt
[12:08] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak; idk, i m a newb too
[12:09] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: hold on let me finish something first
[12:09] <Dh3Y0> kk
[12:11] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:11] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak; that opened it :)
[12:12] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: now use the arrow keys to move around
[12:12] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: do you see the first lk.archive.ubuntu
[12:12] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak; yeah deleting the "lk."s
[12:13] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak; how do i save the changes
[12:13] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: when thats done to save use ctrl+o
[12:14] <gnomefreak> it will ask you if you want to save it yes you do
[12:14] <gnomefreak> than ctrl+x to close it
[12:15] <gnomefreak> Dh3Y0: when its closed in terminal type sudo apt-get update
[12:16] <Dh3Y0> ya
[12:16] <Dh3Y0> done
[12:17] <Dh3Y0> gnomefreak; now i apt-get install build-essential ?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> yes
[12:37] <Dh3Y0> what is QT and how do i get it
[12:40] <esc_on_anakin> !qt
[12:40] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[12:55] <firefish> !gtk
[12:55] <ubotu> GTK is the !GIMP toolkit, which forms the base of !GNOME and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI
[01:00] <cyros> when i do a dist-upgrade does that upgrade my packages as well like firefox?
[01:01] <firefish> of course
[01:01] <cyros> ok just checking thanks
[01:06] <grazie> cyros: does your newly installed fluxbox come with a file manager?
[01:07] <grazie> s/fluxbox/fluxbuntu/
[01:58] <cyros> yea rox
[02:01] <cyros> ehh shit i think i broke it
[02:01] <cyros> i did a dist-upgrade and it wont load fluxbox all the way now :/
[02:10] <grazie> cyros: oh dear! tis still a test release. I'd like to give it a try on ppc, but it's not ready yet
[02:11] <cyros> hmm im not sure what messed it up but im gonna give it another go, it was running really nice before
[02:33] <foogy> hi! where do I place commands that should be executed on suspend/hibernate?
[02:49] <Se2> hello
[02:49] <Se2> is there any torrent client for xubuntu?
[02:49] <Se2> :)
[02:52] <Se2> ?
[02:53] <cyros> Ctorrent
[02:54] <cyros> thats my guess :)
[02:54] <Se2> ok
[02:54] <Se2> cyros
[02:54] <Se2> what media player for xubuntu
[02:55] <Se2> to install
[02:55] <Se2> Ctorrent - there is no matching application available
[02:56] <Se2> Azureus will work ??
[02:56] <Se2> vyros
[02:57] <Se2> cyros
[02:57] <Se2> man
[03:03] <cyros> umm
[03:06] <cyros> yea Azureus might be ur best shot
[03:07] <cyros> http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Edgy#How_to_install_P2P_BitTorrent_Client_.28Azureus.29
[03:07] <WallyT> Excuse me, I'm beginning an attempt to put XGL on my system, but I don't know if my graphics card is 3D accelerator compatible, could someone direct me to a site with a list, etc.?
[03:14] <stonekeeper> Hi Guys! A friend of mine just installed xubuntu on an old laptop. He claims that he installed all his dial-up properties fine but he couldn't find a way of "activating" it. I wasn't with him so sorry if this isn't clear enough. Looking around, it seems that he'd need xfce-modem-lights. Is this part of xubuntu? Any tips on how to actually dial up? thanks.
[03:17] <foogy> where do I place commands that should be executed on suspend/hibernate?
[03:18] <foogy> there are some scripts in /etc/acpi/ but they look like "do not modify me!". so there may be a better place for my own commands
[03:45] <Se2> hi
[03:51] <Se2> is here anyone
[03:52] <geo_> hi
[03:53] <Se2> where i can see software list for xubuntu
[03:53] <Se2> anyone know
[03:53] <Se2> geo hi
[03:53] <geo_> go to other/add/remove on the menu
[03:54] <Se2> ok, but there is also software for kde, gnome
[03:54] <geo_> is that what you're looking for?
[03:54] <Se2> i don't know relly
[03:54] <geo_> well (i think) everything on there works on lxbuntu
[03:55] <Se2> hm
[03:55] <Se2> ok
[03:55] <Se2> -)
[03:55] <geo_> cause I have xubuntu on my laptop and ubuntu on my desktop and some of the programs from ubuntu aren't on the xubuntu list
[03:56] <Se2> geo_ i have installed e-banshee and don't know from where to run it, or it name to run it from terminal
[03:57] <Se2> and it doesn't apper anywere-)
[03:57] <Se2> what media player is good for xubuntu
[03:57] <Se2> ?
[03:58] <geo_> hmm
[03:58] <Se2> and for movies
[03:58] <geo_> I havn't heard of anyone using banshee
[03:58] <geo_> well usually people use a different one for movies than music
[03:59] <geo_> I use amarok for music and gxine for movies
[03:59] <Se2> gxine is a little slow..
[03:59] <Se2> no?
[03:59] <Se2> -)
[04:00] <Se2> he crashed 3time when try to play music
[04:00] <geo_> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=36388&highlight=xubuntu+music
[04:00] <geo_> did you install the other codecs?
[04:00] <Se2> no
[04:00] <geo_> you have to install extra codecs for restricted files
[04:00] <geo_> like mp3 and mpeg
[04:01] <Se2> i want to install them now probaly
[04:01] <geo_> file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktopguide/C/multimedia.html
[04:01] <Se2> ok, thanks
[04:01] <geo_> np :)
[04:02] <cyros> vlc
[04:02] <geo_> I thought the same thing about gxine at first though, it works fine with the codecs though, lol
[04:03] <Se2> i'm first day in linux..
[04:03] <Se2> -))
[04:03] <Se2> Linux Kernel 2.6.20 Released
[04:31] <grazie> can ALL ubuntu packages be built from source from the src repos?
[04:41] <TheSheep> grazie: seems so, I think they are build automatically
[04:50] <grazie> TheSheep: yeah, most packages are downloaded as pre-built binaries. And there quite a few -dev packages too, but not for every package
[04:51] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: how can I see through what port a program tries to transmit data?
[04:51] <grazie> TheSheep: I just want to know how pull down the source from the repos rather go elsewhere
[04:52] <tuna-fish-> does anyone know a good replacement for xfdesktop? it seems to leak memory (a lot of it, given time. I just termed it at 200MB)  and crashes every now and then
[04:53] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: nestat -a -p
[04:53] <tuna-fish-> or is there a new and improved version somewhere?
[04:53] <TheSheep> tuna-fish-: it's fixed a little in edgy and completely in feisty
[04:54] <grazie> tuna-fish-: xfesktop is pretty much integral to xfce. xfce 4.4 sorts a lot problems
[04:54] <TheSheep> tuna-fish-: you can also install the 4.4 from xfce.org
[04:54] <tuna-fish-> do I have to isntall the whole xfce or can I just grab the xfdesktop?
[04:56] <hyper_ch> hmm, doesn't help :(
[04:56] <grazie> tuna-fish-: it would be sensible to install the whole of xfce. kalikiana|rejoin has done this I think
[04:57] <Se2> hello
[04:57] <Se2> what is the local url of Faq
[04:57] <Se2> for xubuntu
[04:57] <Se2> to open it in firefox
[04:58] <Se2> -)
[04:58] <Grey_Loki> So i'm trying to install the latest version of XFCE using the graphical installer available from their website, but it says that I need to have the latest version of GTK.
[04:59] <Grey_Loki> Doing a search for GTK in Synaptic turns up hundreds of results, though - is it even possible to apt-get it?
[04:59] <Se2> oh
[04:59] <Se2> there probaly the history is saved
[04:59] <Se2> ))
[05:00] <Se2> of urls..
[05:00] <geo_> I sent it to you earlier se2, lol
[05:01] <grazie> Grey_Loki: do you think you might be trying to do something you're not quite up to yet?
[05:01] <geo_> file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html
[05:02] <Grey_Loki> Possibly, I suppose
[05:02] <Grey_Loki> I'm a bit of an upgrade-a-holic
[05:02] <geo_> grey_loki I'm by far no expert but I think the apt-get gets the latest version?
[05:03] <grazie> Grey_Loki: try the Feisty test release or be a little more patient
[05:03] <tuna-fish-> is it possible to upgrade to feisty not by the cd but from specifying a feisty repo?
[05:04] <grazie> tuna-fish-: not a sensible thing to do right now
[05:04] <tuna-fish-> I know :)
[05:04] <Grey_Loki> grazie, I think i'll try being more virtuous ;)
[05:05] <grazie> lol. a bit boring though
[05:05] <Grey_Loki> geo_, I was just asking what the specific package name is, since 'gtk' gave me no hits using apt-get, and too many using Synaptic.
[05:06] <geo_> what are you trying to fix?
[05:07] <Grey_Loki> Nothing
[05:08] <maxamillion> where is the release file .... i can't remember where the file is but its something like "cat /some/file.release"
[05:09] <Grey_Loki> I just saw some purty things in xfce-look, and found out that they are only available in the latest version of XFCE
[05:09] <Grey_Loki> Transparency, etc
[05:09] <grazie> Grey_Loki: the thing is if you try to upgrade to xfce 4.4 outside the package manager and it borks, nobody will help you...you're on your own matey :)
[05:09] <grazie> Grey_Loki: no.
[05:09] <grazie> Grey_Loki: you can set up compositor now!
[05:10] <Grey_Loki> The compwhatitor?
[05:10] <grazie> transparency!
[05:11] <geo_> grey_loki I think that's fiesty
[05:12] <geo_> well to clarify some people were talking about how cool it is in fiesty, I don't know how/if you can get it to work on edgy
[05:12] <grazie> geo_: no. it's supported by edgy, it just not turned on properly
[05:12] <geo_> I stand corrected then, lol
[05:13] <grazie> I think there should be a wiki page TheSheep should write
[05:13] <grazie> if he's got time
[05:14] <grazie> loads of people ask about it
[05:16] <stonekeeper> ooh.. seems more people are on now, I'll reask my question: A friend of mine just installed xubuntu on an old laptop. He claims that he installed all his dial-up properties fine but he couldn't find a way of "activating" it. I wasn't with him so sorry if this isn't clear enough. Looking around, it seems that he'd need xfce-modem-lights. Is this part of xubuntu? Any tips on how to actually dial up? thanks.
[05:16] <tuna-fish-> nah, stability is overrated. Downloading herd3 iso now :)
[05:17] <maxamillion> lol
[05:17] <Grey_Loki> stonekeeper, for that sort of thing, I would run 'gksudo network-admin', and see what it turns up
[05:17] <grazie> tuna-fish-: Should I quote that next time you have a problem?
[05:17] <tuna-fish-> feel free.
[05:17] <grazie> :)
[05:18] <stonekeeper> Grey_Loki: i pointed him at the standard networking client but he said there was no activate button
[05:18] <maxamillion> stonekeeper: if xfce-modem-lights is an actual component/tool/plug-in for xfce, it can be installed on xubuntu
[05:19] <grazie> maxamillion: can ALL ubuntu packages be built from source from the src repos?
[05:20] <maxamillion> grazie: uhmmm... yes they should be able to be as long as you have the build-essentials package
[05:20] <stonekeeper> maxamillion: but he can't get online! :) he says that whenever he tries to install anything it tries to go online!
[05:21] <maxamillion> stonekeeper: ah ... yes, that could become a problem
[05:21] <grazie> maxamillion: so what's the difference in apt-get then (so you don't pull down the binaries)
[05:21] <geo_> ok I have a question too it seems the alarm in orage doesn't work or I'm missing something? can some tell me how to get it working or suggest another desktop calendar that's better for setting alarms
[05:21] <maxamillion> grazie: more or less, yes .... but i think apt-get and apt-src are completely independant applications that both comply with apt
[05:22] <maxamillion> grazie: wait ... nvm
[05:23] <grazie> maxamillion: Ah! use apt-src? Is that what I was missing,,,still new to apt
[05:24] <maxamillion> grazie: no, it doesn't seem like apt-src exists, i might have made that up ... gimme a minute to figure this out (i never compile anything)
[05:25] <grazie> maxamillion: i've looked at lots of links, but mostly ones where people are failing
[05:25] <grazie> i can build the kernel no problems
[05:25] <maxamillion> grazie: no ... apt-src exists, just doesn't appear to be installed by default
[05:25] <maxamillion> grazie: ok.... thought i was going crazy for a minute there
[05:25] <grazie> I'll read up
[05:26] <geo_> hmm
[05:26] <maxamillion> grazie: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/admin/apt-src
[05:26] <grazie> great, thanks maxamillion
[05:26] <maxamillion> grazie: np
[05:27] <geo_> no calendar gurus?
[05:27] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah ... so apparently i was right and apt-src is completly independant from apt-get and is just apt compliant for source packages .... the man page hosted here http://pwet.fr/man/linux/commandes/p/apt_src
[05:27] <maxamillion> geo_: can't say i am :(
[05:28] <grazie> geo_: I'm not either, but people usually like orage
[05:28] <Grey_Loki> Orage++
[05:28] <maxamillion> grazie: he can't get the orage alarms to work
[05:28] <Grey_Loki> I use it all the time for my Uni projects, etc
[05:28] <maxamillion> 10:22 < geo_> ok I have a question too it seems the alarm in orage doesn't work  or I'm missing something? can some tell me how to get it working  or suggest another desktop calendar that's better for setting  alarms
[05:29] <grazie> not got round to playing with yet
[05:30] <grazie> maxamillion: did you have success with graveman?
[05:30] <maxamillion> grazie: still haven't found anything i need to burn
[05:31] <grazie> maxamillion: also how do you recall messages?
[05:33] <maxamillion> grazie: recall messages?
[05:33] <grazie> maxamillion: geo_'s message just now?
[05:34] <grazie> maxamillion: 10:22 < geo_> ok I have a question...
[05:35] <maxamillion> grazie: well ... i use irssi, just used "page up" and then copy and pasted the message
[05:35] <grazie> maxamillion: but you weren't logged then?
[05:36] <grazie> maxamillion: i see...time zones
[05:36] <maxamillion> grazie: no, irssi does the default .... timestamps next to every post
[05:36] <maxamillion> that*
[05:37] <maxamillion> grazie: i do have a server that logs for me though .... see the user notMax? ... that's my log server
[05:37] <grazie> maxamillion: no. 10:22 there is 16:22 here... that's what confused me.
[05:38] <maxamillion> grazie: ooooh, yeah ... 10:22 is what time it is on my machine (and where i am sitting)
[05:39] <geo_> hmm
[05:40] <grazie> Grey_Loki: tell geo_ how to set alarms that work :)
[05:41] <Grey_Loki> geo_, double click the Orage icon in the system tray, find the date you want to set an alarm for, doubleclick it, then (in the new window that pops up), click the 'New' button (Top left), and then the 'Alarm' tab
[05:41] <tuuksi> hello
[05:42] <maxamillion> leaphisto: hello
[05:42] <leaphisto> how do i mount my sda5?
[05:42] <Grey_Loki> (Well, the entire window is for an 'appointment', the 'Alarm' tab just designates what sound to play, and when to play it
[05:43] <maxamillion> leaphisto: sudo mount /dev/sda5
[05:43] <geo_> ok, my issues is I did that, set the alarm for 3 minutes from then, and waited
[05:43] <maxamillion> leaphisto: if that says its not in the /etc/fstab then we will have to edit the fstab accordingly
[05:44] <geo_> time came and passed no sound, and nothing popped up
[05:44] <grazie> maxamillion: we need a wiki page for turning on compositor on edgy, loads of people ask about it
[05:44] <Grey_Loki> geo_, did you create an appointment to go with it?
[05:44] <geo_> you mean the general tab?
[05:45] <geo_> if so yes
[05:46] <Grey_Loki> You definately clicked the 'save' button, too, rather than just closing the window, right?
[05:46] <geo_> yes
[05:47] <Grey_Loki> My only guess is that you've not got an audio application set up
[05:47] <maxamillion> grazie: yeah, i know .... i will write one up by the end of the day (just need to work out specifics on how to get it functioning first ;) ) ...
[05:48] <Grey_Loki> (In the main orage window, Edit>Preferences>Sound
[05:48] <maxamillion> anyhoo, i have class and then an exam
[05:48] <Grey_Loki> If it's not that, I can't help you, i'm afraid
[05:48] <Grey_Loki> maxamillion, good luck :P
[05:48] <maxamillion> Grey_Loki: thankies
[05:48] <grazie> max_at_class: yeah, good luck
[05:48] <geo_> aha
[05:48] <geo_> well right now it says "play" in that box
[05:50] <Grey_Loki> Yeah, mine too
[05:50] <geo_> if I wanted to set it to let's say amarok, would I just write amarok in there?
[05:50] <Grey_Loki> Uh-huh
[05:50] <Grey_Loki> Plus whatever flags you'd use
[05:51] <Commander-Crowe> hey all
[05:51] <grazie> hi Commander-Crowe
[06:01] <Commander-Crowe> yikes
[06:01] <Commander-Crowe> I'm downloading a bunch of stuff, and it keeps slowing down
[06:01] <Commander-Crowe> it'll speed up for a few seconds then slow down to like 5KB/s
[06:05] <Commander-Crowe> hey somerville32
[06:05] <somerville32> Hi
[06:11] <Commander-Crowe> somerville32 you don't have the problem of fluctuating download speeds for apt-get or synaptics do you?
[06:12] <leaphisto> max_at_class: how do you suggest i should change my /etc/fstab?
[06:12] <Grey_Loki> leaphisto, how about 'gksudo mousepad /etc/fstab'?
[06:14] <leaphisto> Grey_Loki: yes...
[06:14] <leaphisto> i prefer nano
[06:17] <leaphisto> Grey_Loki: rather what should I write there?
[06:24] <grazie> leaphisto: what kind of partition is /dev/sda5?
[06:26] <leaphisto> grazie: logical
[06:27] <grazie> leaphisto: what kind of file system has it been formatted to?
[06:27] <leaphisto> ext3
[06:27] <grazie> leaphisto: have created a mount point yet?
[06:28] <leaphisto> nope, how do I do that?
[06:28] <grazie> what do you call this partition or what is it for?
[06:28] <leaphisto> it's for samba-sharing
[06:29] <leaphisto> just storing files'nstuff
[06:29] <grazie> for use with windows?
[06:29] <Commander-Crowe> whats a good telnet program?
[06:29] <somerville32> leaphisto, Whats the problem?
[06:29] <Commander-Crowe> other then telnet from terminal
[06:29] <somerville32> Commander-Crowe, putty
[06:30] <leaphisto> somerville32: just trying to mount my new sata-hd to xubuntu
[06:30] <Commander-Crowe> ooh?
[06:30] <leaphisto> grazie: well, mostly with xbox
[06:31] <somerville32> leaphisto, Can you pastebin the output of  `sudo lshw -C disks` please?
[06:31] <leaphisto> somerville32: I'd love to.
[06:32] <leaphisto> but it just rolls some stuff around when i type that
[06:32] <somerville32> Pardon?
[06:32] <leaphisto> like IDE SATA and stuff quickly
[06:32] <leaphisto> it doesn't print anything
[06:32] <somerville32> Oops
[06:32] <somerville32> get rid of the s on the end
[06:33] <somerville32> sudo lshw -C disk
[06:34] <leaphisto> you sure you want me to paste ALL in here? :)
[06:34] <leaphisto> if i msg it to you.
[06:34] <somerville32> !pastebin
[06:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:36] <leaphisto> okay.
[06:36] <leaphisto> cool
[06:37] <leaphisto> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4308/
[06:37] <leaphisto> there
[06:41] <torrrrr> I have a network problem...	
[06:41] <torrrrr> torrrrr	can't ping even on the LAN	
[06:41] <torrrrr> torrrrr	The network seems to be up though, static IP
[06:45] <somerville32> leaphisto, Can you pastebin /etc/fstab ?
[06:46] <mlittle> newb question: how do i edit sources.info to include universe and multiverse?
[06:46] <mlittle> it's acting like a read only file
[06:48] <torrrrr> hello?
[06:49] <mlittle> hi
[06:49] <leaphisto> somerville32: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4310/
[06:50] <somerville32> mlittle, You mean sources.list
[06:50] <somerville32> mlittle, and Applications > System > Software Sources
[06:51] <Se2> hello
[06:51] <Se2> is there any way to make xubuntu to run a little better? he is very slow
[06:51] <Se2> slower then windows xp
[06:52] <somerville32> Se2: System stats?
[06:52] <Se2> laptop , 248RAM, 1,4Ghz, 64Mb geForce
[06:52] <somerville32> Interesting
[06:53] <somerville32> I run Xubuntu on a 333mhz w/ 256mb of ram, 32mb S3 and it runs really well for me.
[06:53] <Se2> what is interesting..-)
[06:53] <mlittle> somerville: many thanks
[06:53] <Se2> maybe it's need to update system?
[06:53] <Se2> becouse it's run very slow..
[06:54] <somerville32> leaphisto, Try this: sudo mkdir /media/sda1; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1
[06:54] <leaphisto> okay
[06:55] <Se2> i think kubuntu will run greater then xubuntu or gnome
[06:55] <Commander-Crowe> whats a good OpenGL lib that iCan use for wine?
[06:56] <leaphisto> somerville32: mount: you must specify the filesystem
[06:56] <leaphisto> type
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[06:57] <somerville32> leaphisto, Have you formatted the disk yet?
[06:57] <Se2> firefox started in 30sec.
[06:57] <Se2> :(
[06:57] <Se2> =)
[06:57] <somerville32> Se2: What ever works for you :)
[06:58] <leaphisto> somerville32: yeah
[06:58] <somerville32> leaphisto, So you did: mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1 ?
[06:58] <Se2> the kubuntu is faster
[06:59] <Se2> =] 
[06:59] <leaphisto> somerville32: i used cfdisk
[06:59] <Se2> hey
[06:59] <somerville32> leaphisto, So you just setup the partition. You didn't make the filesystem yet.
[06:59] <somerville32> leaphisto, sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1
[07:00] <Se2> anyone know how to make in amarok the cyrillic available ?
[07:00] <somerville32> Se2: Maybe the reason Xubuntu is slow is because you're running all kinds of kde applications?
[07:00] <Se2> somerviile32
[07:00] <leaphisto> somerville: mke2fs 1.39 (29-May-2006)
[07:00] <leaphisto> /dev/sda1: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock
[07:00] <Se2> i didn't know
[07:00] <Se2> heh
[07:00] <ptitdav69> hello, just a quick question (sorry for my english, I'm french)
[07:00] <Se2> i run some kde applications
[07:00] <Se2> :D
[07:00] <Se2> :d
[07:01] <ptitdav69> when the xubuntu herd-3 images will be available ?
[07:01] <Grey_Loki> !herd
[07:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about herd - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:01] <Grey_Loki> !herd-3
[07:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about herd-3 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:01] <Grey_Loki> (This is for me, btw)
[07:01] <Se2> somerville32, what media player is designed for xubuntu?
[07:01] <cyberyak> what graphical front-end for apt does xubuntu use?
[07:02] <leaphisto> cyberyak: synaptic
[07:02] <cyberyak> thanx.
[07:02] <leaphisto> np
[07:02] <somerville32> ptitdav69: As soon as possible test it :)
[07:02] <leaphisto> somerville32: as you noticed it didn't work :(
[07:03] <ptitdav69> ok somerville32, thanks :)
[07:03] <somerville32> leaphisto, Right.
[07:03] <somerville32> ptitdav69, Feel free to help with that!! :)
[07:03] <ptitdav69> oki :)
[07:03] <Se2> lol, the winamp is more small and more faster etc. etc. and use minimum memorie than that amarok
[07:04] <leaphisto> somerville32: it said the following: mke2fs 1.39 (29-May-2006)
[07:04] <leaphisto> /dev/sda1: Invalid argument passed to ext2 library while setting up superblock
[07:04] <somerville32> Se2: You might try Exaile or beep media player
[07:04] <Se2> lol
[07:04] <Se2> ok;0
[07:04] <Se2> ok;)
[07:04] <somerville32> leaphisto, What did you type?
[07:04] <Se2> but for movies?
[07:04] <somerville32> Se2: VLC or gxine
[07:04] <Se2> ok
[07:05] <Se2> but for p2p client ...
[07:05] <leaphisto> somerville32: sudo mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1
[07:05] <Se2> ok, thanks
[07:05] <somerville32> leaphisto, Use cfdisk to change /dev/sda1 to a primary partition
[07:05] <leaphisto> okay
[07:11] <Se2> fuck
[07:12] <somerville32> !language
[07:12] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[07:12] <Se2> :((((((((((((
[07:12] <Se2> i'm bored
[07:12] <Se2> of this slowest
[07:13] <Se2> system
[07:13] <grazie> leaphisto: didn't you want to just mount /dev/sda5 in /etc/fstab? I hope you had nothing important on /dev/sda1 'cos it looks like you've just zapped it.
[07:13] <Se2> 1minute trying to access add/remove applications
[07:13] <somerville32> Se2: I'd say something is wrong.
[07:14] <somerville32> grazie: /dev/sda5 doesn't exist.
[07:14] <Se2> ill try to restart linux
[07:26] <leaphisto> somerville32: it works flawlessly now
[07:26] <leaphisto> thankyou
[07:27] <somerville32> leaphisto, no problem :)
[07:28] <Grey_Loki> Is there a good .swf viewer program for Linux?
[07:28] <Grey_Loki> I've been trying to create a HTML page with this little .swf in it, but I lack the coding knowledge to make it anything but a downloadable link, which brings me back to square one
[07:40] <somerville32> !software | Grey_Loki
[07:40] <ubotu> Grey_Loki: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents and !Offline
[07:40] <somerville32> :)
[08:22] <drx0drx> greetings, can anyone help me with "unknown filesystem type 'LVM2_member' " when mounting a partition /dev/sdb2 to a mountpoint?
[08:26] <TheSheep> drx0drx: seems like it contains a part of lvm volume, not actual filesysytem
[08:26] <TheSheep> !lvm | drx0drx
[08:26] <ubotu> drx0drx: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[08:27] <drx0drx> TheSheep, true, it's an ext3 partition in an LVM volume from another system... how do I mount it here?
[08:27] <TheSheep> drx0drx: the howto should cover that
[08:28] <TheSheep> or at least contain helpful links
[08:28] <TheSheep> I don't have much experience with lvm myself
[08:28] <drx0drx> TheSheep, I'm a bit of a newbie, but i think that's how i got to mkdir /mnt/mountpoint mount /dev/sdb /mnt/mountpoint, but I don't know what to do about the error
[08:29] <TheSheep> drx0drx: basically, you need to mount a virstual lvm device, not the partition itself
[08:29] <TheSheep> drx0drx: to do that, you must have lvm configured the same way as on the original system
[08:30] <drx0drx> TheSheep, this is a second hard drive in a system that also has an LVM partition, is that what you mean?
[08:31] <TheSheep> drx0drx: please read that howto, it should clear some things for you
[08:32] <drx0drx> TheSheep, which howto?
[08:32] <TheSheep> drx0drx: the one ubotu told you about several lines ago
[08:33] <drx0drx> TheSheep, that one tells you how to mount a /dev/hdn to a mountpoint, but it doesn't talk about LVM volumes nor mention the error
[08:34] <TheSheep> http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/whatisvolman.html
[08:35] <drx0drx> TheSheep, thanks!
[08:57] <hpp3> #ubuntuforums kicked me over here, but i have a more general question
[08:57] <hpp3> i am using xubuntu and was looking on ubuntuforums about editing/changing mime types
[08:58] <drx0drx> can anyone tell me why I have a lost+found where my files used to be?
[08:58] <hpp3> figured out how to do it through the file manager (thunar) but wondered what the file was where that info is actually stored
[08:59] <hpp3> drx0drx: is it a remote folder?
[08:59] <hpp3> like on samba or nfs?
[09:00] <drx0drx> hpp3, no, it's a local SATA drive (not present when OS installed)
[09:00] <hpp3> hmm... so it just suddenly gave you a lost+found one day?
[09:01] <hpp3> usually those files get made when you format a drive like makext2fs /dev/urdrive
[09:02] <drx0drx> hpp3, no just ran install with recovery b/c it wouldn't mount, NO format
[09:02] <leaphisto> can you remove the lost+found folder?
[09:02] <hpp3> so your files are probably still on it.
[09:03] <hpp3> suspicious that it wouldn't mount
[09:03] <hpp3> did the install recovery process give you any info on that drive as it was doing its thing?
[09:04] <drx0drx> hpp3, I installed Windows and someone told me that it may incorrectly number partitions and overwrite parition table, the repair threw a "bad superblock" error but couldn't fix it
[09:05] <hpp3> ooh, did you install Win before or after Ubuntu?
[09:06] <drx0drx> hpp3, after
[09:07] <hpp3> mmm... bad
[09:07] <hpp3> standard advice is to install Windows first, if you are going to dual boot
[09:08] <hpp3> chances are, windows did mess up something, but I couldn't say for sure exactly what
[09:08] <drx0drx> hpp3, well, any hope of recovering my files from the LVM/ext3 partition?
[09:08] <somerville32> !grub
[09:08] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[09:09] <hpp3> hmmm... have you tried using a live disk to see if you can at least see the disk contents
[09:09] <hpp3> good advice that grub
[09:09] <hpp3> at least restore the method to get back to Linux
[09:10] <drx0drx> hpp3, I can mount the LVM ext3 partition manually, it just has no files.  I don't care so much about saving Linux & repairing GRUB as I do about the 40 hours of work that went into the files on the volume (unless that's the only way to get them back)
[09:14] <hpp3> if everything you've done does not include formatting, then chances are the files are still there
[09:14] <hpp3> is anything in the lost+found folder?
[09:15] <hpp3> ( dumb question, I know, but trying all bases here...)
[09:15] <drx0drx> hpp3, no, it's empty.
[09:16] <hpp3> thought so... just checking
[09:17] <drx0drx> hpp3, repair install couldn't determine partition starting & ending block & didn't appear to mount it let alone format it, etc\
[09:18] <hpp3> I've been having similar problems with partition errors due to gparted doing some funky things
[09:18] <hpp3> can windows read it?
[09:19] <hpp3> ooh even stupider question, sorry
[09:19] <hpp3> wait, there is a ext3 driver for windows, maybe try that
[09:19] <hpp3> hold on, searching...
[09:20] <fxr> can someone explain the difference between su & sudo for me?
[09:20] <fxr> do they use different passwords?
[09:20] <drx0drx> hpp3, windows is out of the picture right now... for me it's fix Linux, fix partition table, read files, or redo 40 hours  :'(
[09:21] <hpp3> eek
[09:21] <kalikiana|rejoin> fxr, su creates a root shell while sudo runs a single command as the superuser
[09:21] <mesarpe> Hi! I detect on my /var/log/Xorg.0.log the following error: /usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF No such file or directory ! How to I install those fonts?
[09:21] <fxr> oh right got it thanks..
[09:22] <hpp3> yeah it sounds like windows hit your partition table
[09:23] <drx0drx> hpp3, i figured as much when I restarted and got maintenance mode after the Windows install -- but I really just need the files on the LVM paritition the other stuff can be reinstalled
[09:24] <Se1> hello again
[09:24] <hpp3> right
[09:24] <Se1> who can help me to play .avi xubuntu
[09:24] <Se1> i have installed all codecs listed in file:///usr/share/xubuntu-docs/desktopguide/C/multimedia.html
[09:25] <Se1> and no sound from .avi file  only video...
[09:25] <somerville32> !sound
[09:25] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ALSA is selected, by double clicking on the volume control, then File -> Change Device (ALSA Mixer). If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[09:25] <Se1> i want to say that some media files are work
[09:26] <Se1> the sound is working, but is seeams something is wrong with codec
[09:26] <Se1> :)
[09:27] <Se1> ok..
[09:27] <Se1> thanks
[09:31] <hpp3> drx0drx: i really hate to leave you hanging, but I have to go. Keep searching google i'm sure there is a solution.
[09:31] <hpp3> and stay away from gparted from now on
[09:31] <hpp3> cfdisk makes sane solid partitions every time
[09:33] <hpp3> email me hpp3 at blue bottle dot com and i'll let you know if i find out anything more
[09:34] <hpp3> maybe that would be a last-minute solution, try to restore the partition table with cfdisk -z
[09:35] <drx0drx> hpp3, oh yeah, before the repair install, I ran resierfsck --fix-fixable and also --rebuild-superblock ...
[09:35] <drx0drx> hpp3, but the odd thing is I did this on the mirror and left the original drive alone so I don't think these steps hurt at all
[09:36] <drx0drx> hpp3, both the mirror and the master show lost+found, so Windows pretty much hosed me and I don't see any towels anywhere in sight  :(
[09:36] <hpp3> wait, you did a *reiser* fsck on a *ext3* format?
[09:36] <drx0drx> hpp3, I also ran fsck -- the drive has both partition types
[09:37] <drx0drx> hpp3, but like I said, I don't think any of those measures were destructive, just Windows
[09:37] <hpp3> so the drive has two partitions, one reiser and the other ext3?
[09:37] <hpp3> and the files you need are on the reiser part?
[09:38] <hpp3> i don't know much about --rebuild-superblock, but it sounds heavy
[09:38] <hpp3> is that supposed to be non-destructive?
[09:39] <drx0drx> hpp3, it was nondestructive because it didn't work (and the mirror and master RAID 1 pair still match, both hosed the same way)
[09:40] <hpp3> oh
[09:41] <drx0drx> hpp3, well I'm moving into redo mode (but I will backup my files this time)
[09:42] <hpp3> :(
[09:43] <hpp3> sorry i couldn't help more
[09:43] <drx0drx> hpp3, I do appreciate the effort nevertheless
[09:43] <hpp3> ok
[09:44] <hpp3> I hope it goes well this time around...
[09:44] <hpp3> i really gotta go
[09:44] <hpp3> maybe i'll find you again on the forum?
[09:44] <hpp3> let me know if you find out anything new
[09:45] <hpp3> I
[09:45] <hpp3> *'m curious as to exactly what happened
[09:46] <drx0drx> hpp3, I think Windows overwrote the partition table and the repair tools couldn't put it back and that ended it.  Thanks.
[09:50] <hpp3> no prob
[09:50] <hpp3> cya
[09:51] <drx0drx> hpp3, ciao
[09:52] <fxr> hi. If i am compiling from source: if i install various packages to meet dependencies for the .configure portion; can i uninstall these packages, after i have installed my app?
[09:58] <Zaggynl> What does the installation of xubuntu do at 22%? It's staying there quite long
[10:01] <Zaggynl> better said, my laptop froze completely at 22%
[10:12] <grazie> Zaggynl: I've overcome this kind of problem in the past by preparing the disk outside the installation
[10:12] <Zaggynl> hmm okay
[10:12] <Zaggynl> How would I do so?
[10:13] <grazie> Have you used gparted before?
[10:15] <Zaggynl> Nope
[10:15] <Zaggynl> (I was quite happy with the Next Next installation ;-))
[10:15] <grazie> You really need to understand what's happening
[10:16] <Zaggynl> You happen to know the reason of the freezing?
[10:16] <somerville32> Zaggynl, The alternative CD
[10:16] <somerville32> *Try
[10:16] <Zaggynl> downloading that as we speak :)
[10:21] <jfcgauss> hi. how do i search for files? i have xubuntu 6.10 on a pentium M laptop.
[10:21] <Zaggynl> find / -iname filename
[10:21] <Zaggynl> or use the search option from the menu
[10:21] <somerville32> !tracker
[10:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tracker - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <somerville32> !track
[10:22] <jfcgauss> know that but, no gui??
[10:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about track - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:22] <somerville32> Hmm..
[10:22] <Zaggynl> okay
[10:22] <Zaggynl> locate filename
[10:22] <somerville32> jfcgauss, There are several GUI frontends
[10:22] <Zaggynl> beagle
[10:22] <somerville32> See: http://packages.ubuntu.com to search
[10:22] <Zaggynl> synaptic \0/
[10:22] <jfcgauss> isnt it something that should already be in xubuntu?
[10:23] <somerville32> jfcgauss, Yes.
[10:23] <jfcgauss> i dont have any "search" in my menu
[10:23] <somerville32> jfcgauss, And thats why we're going to have something in Feisty :)
[10:24] <MattJ> :P
[10:24] <somerville32> It is turning out to be pretty nice :)
[10:25] <jfcgauss> hmm, i bet no plans for xfce 4.4.0 in 6.10 as well??
[10:28] <Zaggynl> I have a search frontend in dapper
[10:32] <mesarpe> anyone knows why when I install fluxbox on xubuntu i get HUGE fonts?
[10:32] <TheSheep> !dpi
[10:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dpi - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:32] <TheSheep> mesarpe: basically, your dpi settings seem to be off
[10:33] <TheSheep> mesarpe: see http://scanline.ca/dpi/ for an explanation
[10:33] <mesarpe> ok. I check it. Thanks!
[10:36] <mesarpe> I got 104x108 dots per inch
[10:40] <mesarpe> TheSheep: so... I should change my xorg.conf to set a nice DPI value?
[10:42] <TheSheep> mesarpe: well, if it was good before, I would rather check if the fluxbox didn't force it somewhere
[10:43] <TheSheep> mesarpe: you can see the list of files installed from a package in synaptic
[10:44] <mesarpe> TheSheep: I don't understand. Why should I use synaptic?
[10:49] <TheSheep> mesarpe: you can use dpkg (or was it apt?), I just don;t rememebr the exact option to tell you
[10:49] <TheSheep> how
[10:50] <mesarpe> just to make a try, I added to xorg.conf in my monitor file: DPI 75x75, and reboot
[10:51] <TheSheep> mesarpe: you don;t need to reboot, just press alt+ctrl+backspace to reset X
[10:52] <cyberyak> ok, the xubuntu alt CD rox!
[10:52] <cyberyak> now, I'll probably be hosed when it's time for dist-upgrade, but for the time being.....
[10:53] <Zaggynl> What's the OEM installation option for?
[10:53] <Zaggynl> (using alternate xubuntu cd)
[10:53] <cyberyak> if you wanted to setup a machine for a user you don't know.
[10:53] <cyberyak> preconfigure it.
[10:53] <mesarpe> TheSheep: that doesn't work either :(
[10:53] <cyberyak> and then remove all the install stuff.
[10:54] <cyberyak> it still basically does a complete install.
[10:54] <Zaggynl> Well I know myself, what's the difference with the text based install?
[10:55] <cyberyak> um, can I say...."it's text instead of gui"
[10:55] <Zaggynl> sure thing
[10:55] <cyberyak> :)
[10:55] <Zaggynl> the gui desktop install froze on me
[10:55] <cyberyak> the command line only gives you a minimal install.
[10:56] <cyberyak> then you can modify /etc/apt/sources.lst and add whatever you'd like
[10:56] <Zaggynl> so, no gui? D:
[10:56] <cyberyak> it does now.
[10:56] <Zaggynl> \0/
[10:56] <Zaggynl> clickerdyclickage
[10:56] <cyberyak> I did the command line install.
[10:57] <cyberyak> then changed the sources.lst file.
[10:57] <cyberyak> then apt-get install xorg
[10:57] <Zaggynl> easy enough
[10:57] <cyberyak> then apt-get install fluxbox (as that is what I really wanted to test/run)
[10:57] <Zaggynl> xubuntu-desktop should do as well :)
[10:57] <cyberyak> exactly.
[10:58] <Zaggynl> Meh, I got gentoo and archlinux working, this shouldn't be too difficult :P
[10:58] <cyberyak> like the net installs we used to do with debian.
[10:58] <cyberyak> now, I didn't use xubuntu-desktop, which means that my install will probably be hosed when I go to do a dist-upgrade.
[10:59] <cyberyak> but I am testing to see how badly it will be hosed.
[10:59] <cyberyak> this is day one.
[10:59] <cyberyak> we'll see when feisty is stable.
[11:00] <cyberyak> in theory, I will just keep updating the packages I have installed.
[11:00] <cyberyak> and then change my sources.lst file to feisty and update again.
[11:01] <cyberyak> I realize that there are many opportunities for failures with this.
[11:01] <cyberyak> but that is what I am trying.
[11:02] <cyberyak> currently, I am only using 505M of 768 and no swap.
[11:02] <Zaggynl> xubuntu-desktop can hose your 'puter? :(
[11:02] <cyberyak> NO!
[11:02] <cyberyak> that's not what I meant.
[11:02] <cyberyak> I am not using it.
[11:03] <cyberyak> it has worked fine on the other machines that I have installed it on.
[11:03] <cyberyak> it is the meta package that keeps everything in check.
[11:03] <cyberyak> since I am *not* using it, I may run into problems upgrading at some point.
[11:07] <cyberyak> does that make more sense?
[11:08] <cyberyak> Zaggynl, you near the Gym that is going to have naked workout sundays?
[11:08] <Zaggynl> que?
[11:08] <Zaggynl> Ah yes, I read somewhere about that
[11:09] <cyberyak> http://www.click2houston.com/health/10932965/detail.html
[11:09] <Zaggynl> yay for exhibitionists I guess
[11:09] <cyberyak> in amsterdam I guess.
[11:09] <Zaggynl> We Dutchies are gross sometimes :D
[11:10] <cyberyak> It's probably better than wearing those nylon shorts that chafe.
[11:11] <cyberyak> but you guys have some good food and great beer.
[11:11] <cyberyak> Kasteel Trippel.  That's a NL beer isn't it?
[11:12] <cyberyak> but I digress.
[11:13] <cyberyak> going to have to bail here--this is a windows machine that needs a reboot.
[11:13] <drx0drx> how do I configure a single drive to dual boot Linux & Windows?
[11:14] <cyberyak> do you have free space on it?
[11:16] <Zaggynl> :)
[11:16] <drx0drx> cyberyak, yes i know, but how do I configure the parititions (ideally, I'd like 1GB boot ext3, 17GB swap, 41GB ext3, and 52GB NTFS in an extended partition, but this isn't happening)
[11:17] <cyberyak> 1G boot? 17G swap?  what kind of system is this?
[11:18] <cyberyak> ok, using those numbers, I make them all primary partitions. you can have 4
[11:18] <cyberyak> I would leave the ntfs part as the first primary and make everything else later.
[11:19] <cyberyak> I don't know what the current reccomendations are, but I am still using only a 100 MB +/- Boot.
[11:19] <cyberyak> I don't usually keep multiple kernels.
[11:19] <drx0drx> cyberyak, I wanted Linux to have the first 3 primaries and Windows in the Extended, but Windows won't let me.
[11:19] <cyberyak> nope
[11:20] <cyberyak> windows doesn't like to be anything beyond part1
[11:20] <cyberyak> make all 4 primarys
[11:20] <drx0drx> cyberyak, so now I'm thinking 6GB FAT32 partition for Windows & Linux boot, then my swap primary, then Linux ext3, then extended
[11:20] <drx0drx> can Linux use Fat32 for it
[11:21] <drx0drx> 's boot partition?
[11:21] <cyberyak> I have never tried.
[11:21] <cyberyak> ok, how big do you want your windows part?
[11:22] <cyberyak> for my dual boot systems.
[11:22] <cyberyak> I have first part for windows-Primary-NTFS
[11:22] <drx0drx> I wanted 52GB, but I was told to keep it down because Linux won't boot outisde the first 1024 disk cylinders, so I'm thinking 6GB
[11:22] <cyberyak> second part for data fat 32.
[11:22] <drx0drx> but Linux can't write to NTFS (reliably), right?>
[11:22] <cyberyak> thus my second part of fat32
[11:23] <cyberyak> third part is Linux -primary-EXT3 (or reiser or jfs) mountpoint is /
[11:23] <cyberyak> and the fourth is SWAP
[11:24] <Zaggynl> ugh
[11:24] <Zaggynl> installation is done
[11:24] <Zaggynl> but I forgot what I put in as username ><
[11:24] <drx0drx> cyberyak, I need more partitions than 4, so I need extended, but Windows won't install on an extended partition
[11:24] <noname> I have downloaded a game called crimson. its a tar.gz file. i have unzipped it. but when I run ./configure I get: noname@noname-laptop:~/Desktop/Games/crimson-0.5.0$ ./configure
[11:24] <noname> checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
[11:24] <noname> checking whether build environment is sane... yes
[11:24] <noname> checking for gawk... no
[11:24] <noname> checking for mawk... mawk
[11:24] <noname> checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
[11:24] <noname> checking for gcc... gcc
[11:24] <noname> checking for C compiler default output file name...
[11:24] <noname> configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
[11:24] <Zaggynl> !pastebin
[11:24] <cyberyak> yes. You must have windows in the first primary partition!
[11:24] <noname> See `config.log' for more details.
[11:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:25] <noname> why do I get that error?:S
[11:25] <Zaggynl> is there a way of resetting usernames?
[11:25] <cyberyak> noname sounds like you didn't use sudo
[11:25] <cyberyak> and don't have access to something.
[11:25] <drx0drx> cyberyak, can the Linux boot partition be FAT32?
[11:25] <cyberyak> Zaggynl, I would boot to the cd, mount /
[11:26] <Zaggynl> okay
[11:26] <cyberyak> and cat /etc/passwd
[11:26] <Zaggynl> rebooting with cd now
[11:26] <Zaggynl> D:
[11:26] <Zaggynl> Aren't those put into a hash somewhere?
[11:26] <cyberyak> /etc/passwd will have usernames in clear text
[11:27] <Zaggynl> ah, true that
[11:27] <Zaggynl> man I gotta sleep more
[11:27] <cyberyak> yeah. it's like 1:30 AM there right?
[11:28] <Zaggynl> nah
[11:28] <Zaggynl> 23:28
[11:28] <noname> cyberyak: yes I am sudo :S
[11:28] <cyberyak> hrm.
[11:29] <Zaggynl> -.-
[11:29] <Zaggynl> username was oem
[11:29] <Zaggynl> silly me
[11:29] <cyberyak> doh!
[11:29] <cyberyak> didn't realize you were doing an oem install
[11:30] <cyberyak> it doesn't ask for username
[11:30] <cyberyak> and uses oem
[11:30] <Zaggynl> yeah, I was wondering why it did that
[11:31] <cyberyak> there is an oem-reconfig script or something that allows you to change all that stuff.
[11:31] <cyberyak> that's not the script name.
[11:31] <cyberyak> but I can't think of the real one.
[11:31] <cyberyak> drx0drx, This should work for you: Part 1	Primary	  NTFS	windows
[11:31] <cyberyak> Part 2	Primary	  ext3	/
[11:31] <cyberyak> part 3	Primary	  FAT32	DATA Drive
[11:31] <cyberyak> part 4	Primary   swap
[11:32] <Zaggynl> rofl
[11:32] <Zaggynl> I typed OEM in caps
[11:32] <Zaggynl> now the whole login is in caps D:
[11:32] <cyberyak> if not, you will need to split out part 4 to be extended and place your other LINUX partitions in there.] 
[11:33] <cyberyak> drx0drx, Linux doesn't care about primary/extended partitions. Windows does.
[11:33] <cyberyak> (because it sux)
[11:33] <cyberyak> sorry.
[11:33] <drx0drx> cyberyak, will Linux be able to boot from an NTFS partition?
[11:33] <cyberyak> that doesn't matter.
[11:34] <cyberyak> the boot code is the first 466(might be off a byte or 2) bytes of the first track.
[11:34] <drx0drx> cyberyak, am I correct to understand that all of Windows and just Linux boot loader (Grub) will be on the NTFS partition?
[11:35] <cyberyak> it will be on the master boot record which exists before the partitions.
[11:36] <cyberyak> the master boot record (MBR) is a small area at the beginning of the disk that keeps the partition table and the boot loader.
[11:36] <drx0drx> that's very helpful, so GRUB will see Windows and offer it up as a choice.  Can I place the swap in an extended partition?  Does it matter?>
[11:36] <cyberyak> the boot loader then points you to whichever partition has the OS.
[11:36] <cyberyak> doesn't matter.
[11:37] <cyberyak> Yes, you can point grub to windows.
[11:37] <cyberyak> when you are installing, it may even offer you an option to add to grub.
[11:38] <Zaggynl> \0/
[11:38] <Zaggynl> logged in
[11:39] <Zaggynl> what was the best way to get fluxbox again?
[11:41] <cyberyak> :D
[11:41] <Zaggynl> ..
[11:41] <Zaggynl> 'sudo apt-get install xorg'  just gives me an emtpy line
[11:41] <cyberyak> edit /etc/apt/sources.lst
[11:41] <Zaggynl> nothing happens
[11:42] <cyberyak> you did the oem, xorg is already installed.
[11:42] <Zaggynl> same with 'sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list'
[11:42] <Zaggynl> nothing happens
[11:42] <Zaggynl> *panic*
[11:42] <Brandy> hallo everybody
[11:42] <cyberyak> "It had large red friendly letters on it which read, Don't Panic."
[11:42] <Zaggynl> x-D
[11:42] <Zaggynl> oh, I'm not in the sudoers file
[11:42] <Zaggynl> darn
[11:43] <Zaggynl> I added myself from the rescue mode
[11:43] <cyberyak> ahh.
[11:43] <Brandy> anybody can tell me the minimum ram needed to install xubuntu?
[11:43] <Brandy> my athlon 733 with 64mb crashes :)
[11:44] <Brandy> there is a big swap partition on the disk
[11:44] <maxamillion> Brandy: way too much power, not enough ram
[11:44] <cyberyak> wow.
[11:45] <Brandy> I'd like to know, what happen if I add just other 64MB. Will it work with 128?
[11:45] <cyberyak> you will need to use the Alt. install cd
[11:46] <cyberyak> I would think you would want more mem.
[11:46] <Brandy> yes, but I can't find any at a reasonable price
[11:47] <cyberyak> you looking for pc-100?
[11:47] <cyberyak> or does it tak something else?
[11:48] <Brandy> pc-100 or pc-133 it will work, but I don't want to spend 25 dollars for a new 128Mb
[11:48] <Brandy> that computer's value is about 50 dollars, with monitor
[11:48] <cyberyak> heheheh
[11:49] <cyberyak> you near houston?
[11:49] <Brandy> i found a 128 bank on eBay
[11:49] <cyberyak> tx
[11:49] <Brandy> I offered the hightest price
[11:49] <Brandy> 1 euro-cent
[11:50] <cyberyak> lol
[11:50] <Brandy> but the seller doesn't want to really give it to me for that price
[11:50] <Brandy> :(
[11:50] <Brandy> so my computer still have 64MB
[11:51] <maxamillion> Brandy: xubuntu dapper should run on that machine without a problem
[11:51] <Brandy> but the installation crashes
[11:51] <cyberyak>  use the alternate install cd
[11:51] <drx0drx> Brandy, what city are you in?
[11:51] <Brandy> i didn't try the Alt. installation cd
[11:52] <Brandy> I'll try that cd
[11:52] <Brandy> I have to download it first
[11:52] <cyberyak> Zaggynl, where were we?
[11:52] <Brandy> could you post me a link?
[11:52] <Brandy> I'm from Florence (Italy)
[11:53] <cyberyak> http://www.xubuntu.org/get
[11:53] <cyberyak> select your mirror from there.
[11:53] <Brandy> thanks cyberyak
[11:54] <maxamillion> Brandy: oh, i didn't know you were trying to install with the desktop cd ... yeah, you need the alternate image
[11:54] <CSonicGo> Hey
[11:54] <cyberyak> http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/6.10/release/
[11:54] <cyberyak> wait
[11:54] <Brandy> ohhhh, yes
[11:54] <cyberyak> that was edgy
[11:54] <Brandy> To run the Desktop CD (LiveCD + Install CD), you need 128 MB RAM to run or 192 MB RAM to install. The Alternate Install CD only required you to have 64 MB RAM.
[11:54] <cyberyak> use dapper
[11:54] <cyberyak> http://ubuntu-cdimage.datahop.it/xubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/
[11:54] <cyberyak> that's italy
[11:55] <Brandy> why dapper? it needs less memory?
[11:55] <cyberyak> the 2nd portugal link seems to be pretty quick too.
[11:55] <CSonicGo> hey guys, are there any "catches" involved in compiling and installing the new linux kernel
[11:55] <cyberyak> less stuff.
[11:55] <cyberyak> less stuff = less memory.
[11:55] <CSonicGo> I really need to upgrade it to fix a naggling bugg that is making my computer freeze :()
[11:55] <cyberyak> I'm just going based on what maxamillion said earlier.
[11:56] <cyberyak> CSonicGo, um, none that I know of.
[11:56] <cyberyak> I haven't compiled one in a long time.
[11:56] <CSonicGo> oh
[11:56] <CSonicGo> so I can just compile it, install it and everything will be business as usual?
[11:57] <cyberyak> apt-get install _____ (kernel)
[11:57] <cyberyak> should be able to.
[11:57] <cyberyak> I don't know what version you are referring to and what you will/won't include.
[11:57] <maxamillion> Brandy: as history has shown, there are some complications with edgy and low memory systems, thats the only reason i recommend dapper over edgy for that machine you speak of
[11:57] <cyberyak> you could break all sorts of stuff.
[11:57] <CSonicGo> cyberyak, I'm talking of the newly released linux kernel
[11:57] <CSonicGo> 2.6.20 I believe
[11:58] <maxamillion> CSonicGo: what about the 2.6.20 kernel
[11:58] <maxamillion> ?*
[11:58] <CSonicGo> it was just released
[11:59] <CSonicGo> I was told to fix a problem I had I was to upgrade to it
[11:59] <maxamillion> CSonicGo: yes, it was ... its in the feisty repositories already so if you feel adventurous enough to run Feisty Alpha3, then you are golden
[11:59] <Brandy> maxamillion: what about if I find 128 Mb more ram? dapper is still the best choice?
[11:59] <CSonicGo> oooh ok!
[11:59] <cyberyak> Brandy, then you just run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:00] <maxamillion> CSonicGo: otherwise a kernel upgrade could poentially hurt your system because of software compatibility (alot of which i have noticed is a result of how ubuntu does things)
[12:00] <maxamillion> Brandy: if you add 128mb more ram, i would actually recommend edgy and use the desktop/live installation cd because it will have enough ram to do everything you need and edgy will give you the newer software packages
[12:01] <cyberyak> or what maxamillion said.
[12:01] <Brandy> ok, thank you to everybody... you have been very very nice
[12:01] <Brandy> hope to find you again when I'll be again in trouble
[12:01] <Brandy> bye
[12:02] <cyberyak> bye Brandy
[12:02] <maxamillion> Brandy: i'm normally always around and if not, others are always willing to help
[12:03] <cyberyak> ok, now I'm going to reboot (again I reiterate that this is a windows box)
[12:03] <maxamillion> cyberyak: dapper is always a good choice "when in doubt" in my mind, but i've noticed that once you get more than 128mb of ram that edgy is fine
[12:03] <maxamillion> cyberyak: awwww, windows? ... i'm sorry ;)
[12:03] <CSonicGo> maxamillion, do you know the addresses to the fiesty rep
[12:03] <cyberyak> thanks.  I have always been able to scrounge at least 128mg
[12:04] <cyberyak> I joined here while I was screwing with my newest xubuntu box.
[12:04] <maxamillion> CSonicGo: its on www.xubuntu.org (look at the news thread, the link is in the Feisty Herd release announcement)
[12:04] <maxamillion> cyberyak: we are glad to have you around :)
[12:05] <maxamillion> without a doubt my next laptop .... http://system76.com/index.php/cPath/1_70?osCsid=08a11ac02074b6390324f20b547ec232
[12:05] <CSonicGo> thanks!
[12:05] <maxamillion> (completely offtopic, but i couldn't not post that)
[12:05] <cyberyak> I have a few apps that are Red Hat specific.  So i am running CentOS4.3 on another machine.  If I can get it to work in xubuntu, then that too will change.
[12:05] <cyberyak> still like the HP laptops with the 1400x1050
[12:05] <cyberyak> lcd panels
[12:06] <cyberyak> WAIT!  That has a PCI-X card?
[12:06] <maxamillion> ;)
[12:06] <keb> hp laptops are poor quality components
[12:07] <cyberyak> not the Evo and Armada lines ;)
[12:07] <keb> we get lots of them in the shop with cracked cases
[12:07] <keb> yeah armada is good
[12:07] <keb> havent seen many evo, so i guess they are working
[12:08] <cyberyak> they had some initial overheating issues with the N610c series, but that has been fixed and the others are nice.
[12:08] <cyberyak> the nx are amazing
[12:08] <cyberyak> but I'd love a laptop with a PCIX card.
[12:09] <keb> for games?
[12:09] <cyberyak> my laptop with a 2GB HBA connected to a small SAN.
[12:09] <cyberyak> a few terabytes of storage for you laptop?
[12:09] <keb> hehe
[12:10] <cyberyak> or a dual port vid card so as to have 3-4 screens for stock trading.
[12:10] <cyberyak> I think that integrated intel vid card gets disabled when you add another vid card.
[12:11] <maxamillion> lets move this to #xubuntu-offtopic :)
[12:11] <cyberyak> yes, my bad.
[12:11] <maxamillion> no worries
[12:11] <maxamillion> i want to continue the convo, but we aren't on topic :P