=== n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d429ac.wlks.losch.net] has joined #edubuntu [01:11] gnight === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [01:53] well, that edgyDVD.torrent is dead :/ [01:54] guess i will use d4x to grab the .iso [01:54] yeah, I bet there aren't enough people to keep the Edubuntu torrents very fast at all [01:54] i am at 10% [01:54] been like that for 5hrs :\ === the_5th_wheel [n=edd@kalfu.slipgate.za.net] has joined #edubuntu === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #edubuntu === pitux [n=pitux@70-95-20-190.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === wist_ [i=jw@89.152.42.42] has joined #edubuntu [03:02] hi guys... i dont know if it's the right thing to do or the right place to ask but....... After installing Edubuntu to my HD it just crashes everytime the Updates notification pops up [03:02] PIII 500 MhZ 456 MB RAM , 40 GB HD [03:03] isntalled from the live cd.. i need to do something here... just dont know what.. [03:03] yikes, that's not good [03:03] I'd actually ask #ubuntu as it's probably a generic problem (not Edubuntu specific) and they have a lot more people [03:04] :) thats a start, thanks . === matsavhalev [n=matsavha@DSL217-132-1-233.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #edubuntu [03:12] hi guys, once i have set up edubuntu for ltsp, is there a way to change/add the feature to boot an install cd? whatever i change still gives me ltsp :-) [03:13] on a client? [03:13] or on the server? === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === Laser_away is now known as LaserJock === P3L|C4N0 [n=gcamposm@201.230.102.134] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock is now known as Laser_away === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [i=c2df514b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-b770efd27d5dc34e] has joined #edubuntu [10:25] Thanks ogra [10:25] awesome work [10:26] got two secs to discuss one point? === smile [n=a@gk010.leo-net.jp] has joined #edubuntu [11:17] indeed [11:17] ogra: by the way, cbx33 told me to tell you 'I'm off for the night....please mail me...if you get the book chapter looked at...Ican then look at it tomrorow morning on the way to work' 12 hours, 8 minutes and 33 seconds ago (on Tue Feb 6 00:09:26 2007) [11:17] cbx33, ^^ [11:18] yeh I got it [11:18] she was faster :) [11:18] no no I've already started looking at it === jinty [n=jinty@64.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu [11:19] I wondered if yo ucould spare me a few minuetes in a sec [11:19] sure [11:19] just to go over one or two points [11:19] hang on lemme boot up the laptop [11:20] oh yeh...right 1) mounting proc in the chroot [11:21] i don't think I've ever done that.... [11:21] a bunch of packages require it ... [11:21] ahh right ok cool [11:21] that's fine [11:22] 2) my blabberings about the server configs [11:22] one vs two NICs ? [11:22] yeh [11:22] see i used to use a one NIC + alternative DHCP server setup [11:24] sure, thats fine [11:24] and the reason why i was saying about connecting to a private subnet [11:24] is so that people can't bypass the edubuntu server to gain access to the network [11:24] what i complained about was the "edubuntu as a gateway" [11:24] using like a live cd for example [11:25] i thought this was more of an advantage [11:25] it's a secuzrity feature that we dont route the client network [11:25] but....i'm probably wrong ;) [11:25] the two NIC setup is our declared and desired default [11:25] but in a way the edbuntu server does act like a firewall/gateway [11:26] in that setup you dont have any routing between client network and LAN [11:26] unless the clients are not booting from the edubuntu server [11:26] if you use a single NIC setup [11:26] you can indeed let the clients be on the internet directly [11:27] oh i see [11:27] i think [11:27] are you saying.... [11:27] why shouzld the clients not boot from the edubuntu server in the two NIC setup, there is nothing in the way [11:27] Internet -> NIC1 -> Edubuntu server -> NiC2 -> Switch -> Clients [11:27] you have a dedicated network and a dedicated dhcpd [11:28] right [11:28] NIC2 is owned by the edubuntu server alone [11:28] so basically you do have a seperate private subnet [11:28] on NIC2 [11:28] right, thats the default setup since edgy [11:28] maybe it was just my wording [11:28] that's what I was saying in that first bit [11:28] if yor setup differs from it you get a warning from ltsp-client-builder during install [11:29] that the "other card is usually connected to a private subnet of the network" [11:29] NIC2 is connected to a switch connecte to just LTSP clients [11:29] right [11:29] so where is my wording wrong? [11:29] but in no scenario you use edubuntu as a gateway (at least by default) [11:29] ok [11:30] if I remove the word gateway is that better? [11:30] "Using Edubuntu as the primary gateway requires the server machine to have two network interface cards. " [11:30] I'll put using edubuntu in the recommend configuration requires/..... [11:30] try to explain why we use two NICs etc [11:30] and take out primary gateway [11:30] I will [11:30] ok thanks [11:30] and indeed, avoid the term gateway :) [11:30] hehe [11:30] sorry [11:31] i didn't mean gateway like that [11:31] but yes [11:31] no, its fine [11:31] I sholdn't have used it [11:31] there might come setups where we need to route the clients [11:31] in the future [11:31] and the xres question was not in the build chroot [11:31] but for now i'd like to sell it as an additional security feature [11:31] and the xres question was not in the build chroot [11:31] it was in the general setup [11:31] ah, good [11:31] else debconf would have been broken [11:32] hehe [11:32] sorry [11:32] it's explicitly told to not ask [11:32] thanks for the chroot reinforcement [11:32] in the kernels section [11:32] yeah, thats important === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu [11:32] ;) [11:32] its complicated enough to muddle it up [11:32] cbx33, for alle the network are nice pictures in web https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuLTSP/LTSPWiring perhap it help [11:32] yes [11:33] now [11:33] juliux, these are not printable in a book ... the quality is rather web ... [11:33] did I get the localdevices section all wrong [11:33] and i dont have bigger originals of them [11:33] ogra: I will be putting diagrams [11:33] right [11:33] ogra, i will create new ones in the next days, i need some for a poster for the expos [11:33] but they are likely to be redrawn by publishers [11:34] is my local devices section all wrong ogra ? [11:34] no, the localdev section is fine, but missing information :) [11:34] oh ok [11:34] I'll read [11:35] how do i switch it on on a normal ubuntu, what has to be done additionally in edubuntu [11:35] I'l probably leave that out [11:35] and point to a wiki [11:36] as this is meant to be generally about edubuntu [11:36] well, the "add the user to the fuse group, the user manager has a special option for it" would be nice, else you wont have local devices at all [11:37] ahhh yes [11:37] so you need that for edubuntu too? [11:37] (not adding the users to the fuse group by default is also a security feature you can point out) [11:37] yes, thats all thats needed in edubuntu [11:38] in ubuntu you have to enable it in the lts.conf additionally, which edubuntu has by default [11:39] (just read the wiki ;) ) [11:39] ok [11:39] I will [11:39] sorry about the troubleshooting ltsp [11:39] :p [11:40] the dhcp-server status [11:40] heheh [11:40] i guessed....to be checked later on [11:40] thanks for the commands [11:40] in the future we'll have little tools based on python-ltsp for that ;) [11:40] nice [11:41] for the window managers [11:42] obviously once they are installed...the dropdown stuff applies right? [11:42] kubuntu-desktop [11:42] ? [11:42] it always applies [11:42] you always have a "default" and a "gnome" session [11:42] ahh yes [11:42] where default points to gnome in that case indeed [11:43] if you install xfce, kubuntu or xubuntu desktop they will appear there ... whatever you installed last will be the default [11:43] ok [11:43] does ldm askyou if you want to make the one you just changed to default? [11:44] no [11:44] it's not gdm :) [11:44] (yet :P ) [11:44] hehe [11:45] ok so ... arey ouhappy for what I have to be the first draft if I make the changes you requested? [11:45] sure [11:45] is it ok? [11:45] yep [11:45] how would you rate it? [11:45] think it'l be good for edubuntu? [11:46] it's good user doumentation, and indeed i think it will be good :) === ogra goes for some food [11:48] ogra: cool eat well....last thing....is there anything missing from the chapter...and that's it I'm done THANK YOU SO MUCH [11:48] you are a LEGEND === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [12:51] cbx33, you didnt add ${python:depends} to thin-client-manager-gnome (pycentral dependency is still missing), the copyright file is still missing the dates, cheap_plugin still has an underscore in its name (python naming policy) [12:53] cbx33, and i still have the wrong glade file ... [12:53] nothing changed .... [12:54] ogra@edubuntu:~/packages/thin-client-manager-0.5.0$ sudo student-control-panel [12:54] Traceback (most recent call last): [12:54] File "/usr/bin/student-control-panel", line 740, in [12:54] base = ControlPanel() [12:54] File "/usr/bin/student-control-panel", line 95, in __init__ [12:54] self.share.connect("clicked", lambda w: self.make_share(treeselection)) [12:54] AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'connect' [12:56] WHAT? [12:56] I changed all that [12:56] do you have the right email? [12:56] that's not right [12:57] i have your last email [12:57] the one where i picked the book chapter out as well [12:57] no [12:58] i sent you one yesterday [12:58] oh, right [12:58] heh, sorry === cbx33 wipes his memory [12:58] what is thin-client-manager_0.5.0.tar.gz ? [12:58] you obviously havn't eaten enough [12:59] thought that was autogenerated by my debuild [12:59] i rarely eat before 4pm :) === cbx33 passes ogra a sandwich [12:59] it shouldnt, else something with the package is wrong [12:59] ok....ignore it then [12:59] i'll check ... dont worry [12:59] go for the orig... [12:59] that's always right [01:00] did I tell you....my school is seriously considered a switch to linux [01:01] no, thats nice :) [01:02] yeh [01:03] Yikes......Dell are only shipping Vista now [01:03] it's only been out a few days [01:03] would have thought they would offer both options for a while [01:03] as Vista still has _a lot_ of problems [01:03] cbx33: tell your school that w2000 -> vista is a migration, and not an upgrade [01:04] so if they have to migrate, why not migrate to an open future, free of licence fees or licence admin and the whims & financial needs of a US monopoly [01:04] cbx33, using ${python:depends} requires that you run dh_python in your rules file === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #edubuntu [01:13] cbx33:yeah saw the same thing at bestbuy and circuit city..bend over and embrace visigoth...errr vis ta [01:15] ogra: sorry [01:16] Je suis stupide [01:17] hmm, wait, that doesnt help dh_python is deprecated ... [01:18] should rather be dh_pysupport and a Build-Dep-Indep: [01:18] ah yes...think i saw that when i was creating...the debianpolicy [01:18] ah i seee [01:24] bah, blind me ... [01:24] pycentral does it ... if you spell right ... [01:24] ${python:depends} needs to be ${python:Depends} indeed [01:25] ahhh sorry [01:26] did you wanna make any changes and send it back to me....or did you want me to make the changes? [01:26] if i dotn discover bigger stufgf i'm fine with making small changes [01:26] i'm not done yet :) [01:27] hehehaha [01:27] i know [01:27] hrm [01:27] what about the python2.4-dbus dep ? [01:27] can we switch to 2.5 ? [01:27] i would think so [01:27] what do we do about previous versions? [01:27] is there a python-dbus? [01:28] yep [01:28] maybe we could use that [01:29] right [01:30] does tcm-backend need to depend on pessulus ? [01:30] heh, no it depends on python-tcm thats sufficient [01:30] umm....well....the backend should provide pessulus over ssh -X [01:31] the backend runs wwhere ? [01:32] ltsp server or client session ? === kalle_ [n=kalle@keymaster.ludvika.se] has joined #edubuntu [01:32] ltsp server [01:32] well, thats totally pointless to discuss ... :) [01:32] no matter where you install it, python-tcm is a dep ;) [01:33] and python-tcm pulls in all we need (dbus, pessulus) [01:33] yes [01:33] ok, looks better now [01:39] look, a gui :) [01:39] sadly its crashing over and over [01:40] lots of ps errors [01:42] oh yeh it will do [01:42] john doesn;t exist as a user [01:42] neither does pete [01:42] I did say that to you [01:43] cos the userlist function is hacked [01:43] well, there is some other wonky stuff going on as well [01:45] did you test and develop on a feisty system ? [01:45] there is a lot of buggy stuff going on, tcm interacts with apport all the time [01:46] yes i have tested an run on a feisty system [01:47] the "end process" button still shows in all windows [01:47] yeh that's on my list [01:48] I'll look into the apport thing tonight [01:48] did you think about how to create the ssh user and his keys ? [01:48] no.....seeing as it's not my strong point I thought I'd ask you about it [01:48] might be triggered by a vnc backtrace i see all the time [01:48] ahhh [01:49] quite possibly [01:49] tcm must work without vnc running on the client ... [01:49] so please add error handling there [01:49] it should do [01:49] i will run over that again [01:49] Traceback (most recent call last): [01:49] File "/usr/bin/student-control-panel", line 244, in new_vnc [01:49] self.vnc[(a)] = VNC(self.wTree, users[a] [2] , port, passw) [01:49] File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/studentcontrolpanel/vnc.py", line 610, in __init__ [01:49] self.window = gtk.glade.XML("/home/pete/vnctest/vncview.glade") [01:50] YIKES [01:50] that path was fixed in my latest upload === jack_at_home [n=jack@222.131.248.74] has joined #edubuntu [01:50] if it cant establish a connection, just make it quiet ... as a goodie you could present a default pic in the preview [01:50] no no, it's failing cos it's looking for the vncview.glade file in my home dir [01:51] something like a cracked display or so ... [01:51] ah [01:51] it was an early hack that I changed yesterday [01:51] right [01:51] it's now in the /usr/share/student-control-panel [01:51] lemme check that [01:51] the "connect to desktop" button needs to go from the process window as well [01:52] (trivial glade hack) [01:52] yeah, apport seems not to care for the ps errors, but for the vnc traceback ... [01:53] yes [01:53] if you want to modify to test it's at the bottom of the vnc.py file in the usr/lib [01:53] just after the VNC class edfinition [01:53] it slipped through [01:53] sorry [01:54] whats that connect/disconnect button in the toolbar ? [01:54] the most left one [01:54] that will be for the remote server [01:54] (apart from being a redundant button) [01:54] will bring up a dialog [01:54] ah, that will need another icon [01:55] having two disconnect buttons with the same icon is a bit conbfusing [01:55] yes [01:55] i know [01:55] icons are my last point [01:55] but thats a feisty+1 feature anyway, just hide it for now [01:55] oh is it... [01:55] and make it switched on constantly [01:55] it's done [01:56] did you test it extensively with say 10 ltsp servers ? [01:56] no.... [01:56] i don;t have that kind of resources [01:56] and where is the dialog you were talking about :) [01:56] for the remote server? [01:56] lets do it right and keep it for feisty+1 [01:56] not done yet... :p [01:56] it would just be an ip [01:57] the parts that are done are awesome already, dont get aucght by featuritis [01:57] ok [01:57] *caught [01:57] :( [01:57] meh [01:57] I'll remove it... [01:57] *c a u g h t [01:57] just the guoi item .... [01:57] dont remove the code [01:57] if you check out the ltcm.py file in /usr/lib you'll see that it's mostly in there [01:57] yeh i know what you mean [01:57] each call to the backend has a "remote" alternative [01:57] if an ip is passed [01:58] yep, saw that [01:58] lets concentrate on the features we actually can test ... [01:59] ok [01:59] and that are likely to be perfect in the release [01:59] tested the user groups thingy? [01:59] not yet [01:59] i need to revert your static userlist first ... [01:59] for now i'm fine ... [01:59] heh [02:00] the package looks ok with my minor changes [02:00] i'll send you the debdiff and upload ... [02:00] oh, one thing ... [02:00] ok [02:00] what's that [02:00] I gotta shoot off for a while [02:00] lets agree that we use the ubuntu versioning scheme with the new version [02:00] sure [02:00] makes it easier for debian to adopt it [02:00] if you can explain it to me [02:00] I'll use it [02:00] 0.5.0 is your upstream version [02:01] 0.5.0-1 would be the first debian package of it (if its non native liek ours) [02:01] gtg....will read when i get back [02:01] 0.5.0-0ubuntu1 would be a first ubuntu package of an app [02:02] because 0.5.0-1 is bigger than 0.5.0-0ubuntu1 a package from the same source built in debian would override ours [02:02] makes syncing easy etc [02:03] oh, and one last thing, please be more wordy in your changelog entries ... [02:03] thanks ogra [02:03] ok [02:03] you did a lot of changes .... [02:04] one line doesnt suffice for that :) [02:04] ok [02:04] i'll add up stuff before the upload ... === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu [02:48] ogra: I'l get that fixed tonight when i get home from work === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === willvdl [n=will@vc-196-207-41-253.3g.vodacom.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === n2diy [n=darryl@ppp-42d42992.wlks.losch.net] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [03:26] Morning all [03:26] hey sbalneav [03:27] yo! [03:28] yo yo jsgotangco [03:29] hi sbalneav jsgotangco [03:29] Hello hell [03:29] hello [03:29] hey you guys how are you doing [03:29] whoops, fingers aren't working yet. [03:29] Need more coffee. [03:45] coffee, that's what's wrong with me today. I ran out of coffee === johansalim [i=G3b0ys@ip84-222.cbn.net.id] has joined #edubuntu [03:48] hey jsgotangco, quick question? [03:49] go ahead [03:49] on wiki there are 2 spots where handbook/cookbook were managed [03:49] https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook [03:49] which redirects to help.u.com [03:49] and https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuHandbook [03:49] presumably one must be deprecated? [03:50] willvdl: honestly, my brain is fried at the moment for all these issues i have at home and myself so I can't even remember that [03:50] okie, I'll read both, figure out which is most recent and delete the other [03:51] im sorry [03:51] no worries [03:52] its just that so many things are on my mind at the moment [03:52] and IRC is the best place to escape [03:52] :) [03:52] that's what oyu thought...mwuhahaha [03:52] you need to join #escapism, not #edubuntu [03:52] lol [03:53] or change your nick [03:53] or #marriage-counselling or something [03:53] perhaps #my-dog-died-recently [03:53] darn, it's too hot here for me to think straight either === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548ADDEE.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === march [n=march@dslb-088-077-015-107.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:05] Hi@all === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@smoothwallkludge.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #edubuntu === accuser [n=accuser@taose.demon.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu [04:14] anyone deployed edubuntu into a primary school? === march is now known as billy_idle === accuser [n=accuser@taose.demon.co.uk] has left #edubuntu [] [04:48] 3-5.. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [05:08] ping ogra_ how do you specify usb printers in lts.conf [05:08] or sbalneav for that matter :p [05:08] Ummm, === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [05:08] should be... (gimme a sec) [05:09] cos paraller is /dev/lp0 [05:09] right [05:09] I think it's /dev/usb/lp0 [05:09] anywhere to make sure [05:09] it's for the edubuntu chapter in the officilal ubuntu boook [05:10] I can check at home tonight. It depends on where Ubuntu's udev puts usb printers. I don't have one here, but at home I do. [05:10] ok cool [05:10] thanks sbalneav [05:10] sbalneav, ooh can I ask yo uanother question [05:11]