[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: the issue isn't kdesu or XAUTHORITY
[12:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: works for me with adept_batch and fails with adept_manager
[12:28] <Tonio_> both launched with kdesu
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: confirmed after reboot
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: adept_batch + qt debconf works
[12:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm trying to find out what changes with adept_manager
[12:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: can you confirm "kdesu adept_batch install postfix" uses debconf/qt for you ?
[12:40] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ? :)
[12:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: debconf/qt?
[12:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't have to click on "details" to see the package configuration
[12:41] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah ok
[12:41] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[12:42] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: only works with adept_batch here that's why I want someone to confirm I'm not crazy :)
[12:42] <Hobbsee> ahhhh
[12:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture15.png
[12:44] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you should see something like this :)
[12:44] <Hobbsee> neat :)
[12:45] <manchicken> Who is House on a Red Corner?
[12:45] <manchicken> heh
[12:45] <Tonio_> but............... it fails for a strange reason with the manager
[12:45] <Tonio_> manchicken: need your help on that point :)
[12:45] <Tonio_> manchicken: this is a pure major kubuntu issue :)
[12:45] <manchicken> What now?
[12:46] <Tonio_> why the hell does it fail with adept_manager....
[12:46] <Tonio_> manchicken: here is the point....
[12:46] <Hobbsee> define failing
[12:46] <manchicken> What?  I think I missed the description of the item....
[12:46] <Tonio_> manchicken: the description isn't important, the WINDOW is :)
[12:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: define "failing"?  works fine here, or appears to
[12:46] <manchicken> I have no idea what you're talking about ^_^
[12:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: and with _manager ?
[12:47] <Tonio_> manchicken: okay let's make it simple
[12:47] <manchicken> s/item/issue/
[12:47] <Tonio_> adept/apt configures the package
[12:47] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what's the syntax?
[12:47] <Tonio_> and libadept configures debconf to use the kde frontend to it
[12:47] <Hobbsee> oh right, adept_manager as in, the main adept
[12:47] <Tonio_> adept_batch works and the debconf window you can see it the evidence of this
[12:48] <Tonio_> but with the manager, I get a xlib error
[12:48] <Tonio_> connection error to display 0:0
[12:48] <Tonio_> both adept_manager and batch use libadept, so there is certainly a little difference in the code
[12:48] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sudo apt-get --purge postfix
[12:48] <manchicken> Ah.  I think Riddell was saying something about ICE authentication with that stuff....
[12:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yeah, did taht :)
[12:48] <manchicken> I think I may be too stupid to help you there.
[12:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: then try the same installation with adept_manager
[12:49] <manchicken> Though xhost + may help.
[12:49] <Tonio_> manchicken: I think ICE has nothing to do with it
[12:49] <allee> manchicken: argl!
[12:49] <Hobbsee> which was "open adept_manager, then select postfix?" presumably?
[12:49] <Hobbsee> hey allee
[12:49] <allee> hi Hobbsee
[12:49] <Tonio_> manchicken: if it was ICE, it wouldn't work with any of those
[12:49] <Tonio_> manchicken: the issue is in adept
[12:49] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no, it's dying -d oesnt automatically show details
[12:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes please
[12:49] <manchicken> Well, if you're running adept as root, perhaps it's root that's trying to start a separate process as root while xhost is blocking it.
[12:49] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: okay so you can confirm the issue is in _manager code
[12:49] <manchicken> ?
[12:50] <manchicken> Maybe?
[12:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i'd say so
[12:50] <manchicken> If you xhost + does it still happen?
[12:50] <Tonio_> manchicken: yeah but we're using sudo so that's a bit different
[12:50] <Hobbsee> it's brought up the non-qt version of debconf, it seems
[12:50] <Tonio_> manchicken: to make it simple :
[12:50] <Tonio_> adept_manager and adept_batch are using libadept
[12:50] <Tonio_> works with _batch
[12:50] <Tonio_> fails with _manager
[12:50] <Tonio_> so the issue is "probably" in _manager
[12:51] <Tonio_> not ICE/XAUTORITY or something
[12:51] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yep same here :) so I think we can fix this
[12:51] <manchicken> Well, there are two things I can think if...
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: neat :)
[12:51] <Tonio_> if the issue was with X persmissions, that wouldn't work with batch
[12:52] <Tonio_> manchicken: ah ? :)
[12:52] <manchicken> 1) somehow it's not passing $DISPLAY along in the environment.  2) xhost is blocking the connection.
[12:52] <Tonio_> 1) -> possible
[12:53] <Tonio_> 2) would probably block adept_batch too no ?
[12:53] <manchicken> Well, IIRC, adept_batch is only being used for amarok.....
[12:53] <Tonio_> manchicken: yes, but I mean if it works with _batch, we can make it to work with _manager tracking the difference
[12:54] <Tonio_> it is obviously in the code
[12:54] <manchicken> I disagree.  I think it's magical pixie dust.  Second star to the right and straight on 'til morning.
[12:54] <manchicken> ^_^
[12:55] <Tonio_> haha
[12:55] <manchicken> Actually, I don't disagree at all.
[12:55] <manchicken> I just think I may be too lacking in clue to help you out here.
[12:55] <manchicken> ^_^
[12:55] <Tonio_> manchicken: I'm serious, this is the n1 kubuntu bug for ages :)
[12:55] <Tonio_> I may ping mornfall eventually
[12:55] <manchicken> I'll be shifting my focus to bugs after feature freeze.
[12:56] <manchicken> One thing I'm noticing... there's a directory called "libadept" and a directory called "adept"
[12:56] <manchicken> Most of what I've been doing is in "adept"
[12:57] <manchicken> I'm not sure (haven't looked honestly) what's up with libadept.
[01:00] <Tonio_> manchicken: yes "adept" is the lib
[01:00] <manchicken> That's what I thought.
[01:00] <manchicken> libadept seems like a duplicate.
[01:00] <manchicken> Perhaps an external interface.
[01:00] <Tonio_> dunno exactly, but we don't build it :)
[01:04] <manchicken> heh
[01:04] <manchicken> Are you accusing me of actually doing something constructive?  How dare you!
[01:04] <manchicken> heh
[01:04] <manchicken> I'll have you know that I merely stumble around in Emacs pretending to know what I'm doing, and you've just bought my clever rouse.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> morning Jucato
[01:06] <manchicken> I'm trying to figure out who this guy is that commented on my blog.
[01:06] <manchicken> It looks like they're ubuntuers... but I have no idea who they are.
[01:07] <Jucato> morning Hobbsee!
[01:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: wow, that's interesting
[01:07] <Hobbsee> hey Riddell!
[01:07] <allee> mhm, when merging, wasn't the something about changing Maintainer: field.   Keeping the orignal one as Maintainer-???
[01:07] <allee> ^^ to keep DD's happy
[01:08] <Riddell> allee: that's done on tthe buildds
[01:08] <Riddell> or somewhere inside soyuz
[01:08] <allee> Riddell: ah, no action from my side requited. Good. thx
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes, that's VERY interesting
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm pretty sure the fix is a 2 lines patch, but how to fix it.... :)
[01:09] <Riddell> hi Hobbsee
[01:09] <Tonio_>     putenv( "QT_IM_MODULE=xim" );
[01:10] <Tonio_> that's in manager and not in batch..... can that be the cause ?
[01:10] <Tonio_> I don't think so but well... :)
[01:10] <Riddell> I doubt it very much
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: I too :)
[01:10] <Tonio_> I'm looking at the env things defined first, cause manager may miss something
[01:11] <Riddell> yes, my thought too
[01:21] <allee> kipi-plugins merge http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4262
[01:22] <Riddell> allee: looking
[01:22] <allee> Riddell: thx
[01:22] <Tonio_> allee: oups, riddell was fastest :)
[01:23] <allee> Hobbsee: I'm sure you know pkg-kde-extras is now pkging it.
[01:24] <Hobbsee> allee: yep
[01:45] <Riddell> allee: compiling fine, although it's Tonio_'s package more than mine so maybe he wants a look first
[01:45] <Riddell> Tonio_: how do I fix adept when it breaks from installing sun-java?
[01:48] <allee> Riddell: k
[01:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: sudo rm -rf /var/cache/dpkg/lock
[01:50] <Tonio_> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[01:51] <Tonio_> and that should be okay
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: but better way is to fix adept_manager ^^
[01:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: sudo rm -rf /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[01:52] <Tonio_> sorry I'm too used to "cache" due to pbuilder hehe :)
[01:52] <Tonio_> allee: I'll have a look tomorrow and will upload
[01:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: if you want to make tests with adept_manager, try postfix instead of sun-java ;)
[01:56] <Tonio_> it doesn't break
[01:56] <allee> Tonio_: argl.  -doc misses a replaces kipi-plugins < 0.1.2-3ubuntu1
[01:57] <Tonio_> allee: you mean ?
[01:58] <allee> Tonio_: upgrading from kipi-plugins before to -doc split will fail when kipi-lugins-doc is installed first
[01:58] <allee> Tonio_:  trying to overwrite `/usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kipi-plugins/imagegallery_collectionselection.png', which is also in package kipi-plugins
[02:00] <Tonio_> allee: hum, not the first time I'm doing this error, since I didn't test upgrade, just install........
[02:00] <Tonio_> allee: can you fix that on the revu ? I'll test and revu tomorrow
[02:01] <allee> Tonio_: working on it already
[02:01] <Tonio_> allee: you are the man :)
[02:21] <allee> Tonio_: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=4265
[02:22] <Tonio_> allee: perfect, will do that tomorrow morning :)
[02:22] <Tonio_> slepping time now :)
[02:22] <allee> Tonio_: Replaces could be more strict, than necessary with official, but helps with my backports.
[02:22] <allee> nite Tonio_
[02:22] <Jucato> g'night Tonio_, allee!
[02:22] <Tonio_> allee: thanks :)
[02:46] <yuriy> hi, bug 40963 seems to be a konqueror specific issue with flash 7, but isn't a problem with flash 9 which is in feisty, so "fixed"?
[02:46] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 40963 in kdebase "flash sound/video asynchronous in konqueror" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/40963
[02:47] <Riddell> yuriy: fixed sounds right, thanks
[02:48] <Jucato> flash 9 is also in dapper and edgy backports too. so they can probably just upgrade
[02:49] <yuriy> Jucato: good point
[02:50] <yuriy> oh right, i realized that when i tested it, but for some reason my konqueror is using flash 7 even though i have 9 installed on edgy
[02:53] <Hobbsee> wow, freezes are coming up fast!
[02:55] <yuriy> hmm i don't know what pam is but bug 41824 doesn't sound like a kde bug to me
[02:55] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 41824 in kdebase "session pam_env missing in /etc/pam.d/kdm" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/41824
[04:12] <yuriy> is there a wiki page to keep track of media:/ issues?
[04:13] <Jucato> yuriy: maybe this? https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuKDEMedia
[04:14] <manchicken> Riddell: I've added a new adept tutorial.  On the Adept Installer.
[04:15] <Jucato> manchicken: btw, adept notifier is a separate app from adept_updater. unless that was changed for feisty?
[04:15] <manchicken> Yeah, I believe it kinda has to be.
[04:15] <Jucato> manchicken: nice. adept tutorial... those are definitely needed :)
[04:15] <manchicken> Jucato: Naw, not a tutorial, just an excuse to blog :P
[04:15] <Jucato> aah
[04:15] <Jucato> lol
[04:15] <yuriy> Jucato: i was thinkig maybe something compiled since the last meeting. that page is more like a spec for edgy
[04:16] <manchicken> I've gotten 127 new unique visitors since 1600
[04:16] <Jucato> yuriy: I thought they still added those issues there...
[04:16] <Jucato> manchicken: :P
[04:16] <yuriy> maybe
[04:16] <manchicken> heh, only 5 users using windows.
[04:17] <manchicken> more than 95% of readers are using windows.  heh
[05:11] <Hobbsee> manchicken: didnt know you worked for doubleclick
[05:11] <manchicken> Yup.
[05:12] <manchicken> I like it.
[05:13] <nixternal> how scared should I be right now?
[05:13] <Hobbsee> nixternal: very
[05:13] <nixternal> I am sitting in tty2 while tty1 updates from Edgy to Feisty
[05:13] <Hobbsee> manchicken: what do you do?
[05:13] <manchicken> I'm a Perl hacker for them.
[05:13] <manchicken> DoubleClick is a great company.
[05:14] <nixternal> ya right!
[05:14] <nixternal> spammers
[05:14] <manchicken> We're pioneering how to stop paying bad advertisers.
[05:14] <manchicken> Naw, those would be our competitors ^_^
[05:14] <nixternal> hehe
[05:14] <nixternal> I didn't know DoubleClick was in Chicago
[05:14] <manchicken> They aren't.
[05:14] <nixternal> I knew 365West or whatever they are called are
[05:14] <manchicken> They have a site here though.
[05:14] <nixternal> ahh
[05:15] <manchicken> We have many high-profile clients.  They demand clean advertising companies.
[05:15] <manchicken> We accommodate.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> clean?
[05:16] <manchicken> Yeah.  DoubleClick/Performics has done a lot to stop spyware, spam, and popups.
[05:16] <Hobbsee> oh as in, no damned annoying adverts
[05:16] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[05:16] <nixternal> hehe
[05:16] <manchicken> Well, only advertisements that are appropriate, non-intrusive, and non-invasive.
[05:18] <nixternal> Hobbsee: is this going to destroy my laptop going from Edgy to Feisty by just changing sources.list manually and then dist-upgrade?
[05:19] <manchicken> nixternal: YES!  Fire and brimstone shall rain upon thee, and wild dogs shall gnaw your flesh.
[05:19] <Hobbsee> nixternal: dunno.  dont think so.  it didnt before
[05:19] <Hobbsee> hehe
[05:19] <nixternal> haha
[05:19] <nixternal> ya, it has always "just worked" for me
[05:20] <nixternal> I wanted the new Inkscape, but the lib depends were nuts, and I wasn't going to mess with that just for Edgy
[05:20] <nixternal> Herd3 is out, it is stable, so now I can just test all of the time
[05:21] <manchicken> Grr... these stupid trolling commenters are going to force me to be mean.
[05:22] <manchicken> That vi questions post really stirred up the vi trolls.
[05:23] <nixternal> it usually does
[05:23] <Hobbsee> did edgy packages of amarok ever get made?
[05:24] <nixternal> dude, I could care less what you use, I could care less if you were a close Windows hack
[05:24] <nixternal> Hobbsee: not that I have seen
[05:24] <Hobbsee> actually, you could build them anywhere - only need libgpod, and amarok
[05:25] <nixternal> I need to redo the kubuntu-docs package this week. Need a new package for Herd 4, and since I have massively changed the docs package, this isn't going to be fun. I might need some hackish scripts to rm -rf kubuntu-docs/C
[05:26] <nixternal> oh well, while this updates, I am going to find something else to do :0
[05:33] <yuriy> i keep seeing stuff about 1.4.5 and libgpod, so what's with bug 83515
[05:33] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83515 in amarok "amarok 1.4.5 package is not compiled with ipod support" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83515
[05:39] <Hobbsee> dunno.  i though tit should be
[05:53] <yuriy> hmm bug 46875 guidance bug?
[05:53] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46875 in kdebase "KDE does not save requested screen resolution" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46875
[05:56] <Jucato> yuriy: you're on a bug triaging spree lately?
[05:57] <yuriy> Jucato: a little bit :) i figured i'd try to clear the backlog of unconfirmed kde bugs
[05:57] <yuriy> 179 to go
[05:57] <Jucato> whoa
[05:57] <Jucato> kool! :)
[05:58] <yuriy> Jucato: productive procrastination :)
[05:58] <Jucato> lol
[05:59] <Jucato> yuriy: btw, I just closed bug 73008 yesterday
[05:59] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 73008 in kdebase ""KDEInit could not launch 'kinfocenter'" when launching KInfoCenter from Katapult or Run Command" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73008
[05:59] <Hobbsee> yuriy: it's a dupe for a start, iirc.
[05:59] <yuriy> Jucato: i noticed :)
[05:59] <yuriy> sifting through bugs is slightly less painful than reading about finite automata
[06:07] <nixternal> hrmm, Hobbsee it crashed of course :(
[06:07] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i so didnt.  imbrandon took care of that section, i thought
[06:07] <nixternal> no, the update to feisty crashed
[06:07] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:07] <Hobbsee> how so?
[06:08] <nixternal> adept-common_2.1.2ubuntu2
[06:08] <nixternal> trying to overright the crystal icons
[06:08] <Hobbsee> thought that was fixed
[06:08] <nixternal> unfortunately not
[06:08] <nixternal> is there a way around it?
[06:09] <Hobbsee> dpkg -i --force-overwrite /path/to/deb.deb
[06:09] <Hobbsee> manchicken: why havent you fixed that yet?
[06:09] <manchicken> heh
[06:09] <manchicken> Feature freeze :P
[06:09] <manchicken> Besides, I don't know how to package ^_^
[06:09] <Hobbsee> manchicken: it's a bugfix.
[06:09] <manchicken> Is it?  I thought it was a package issue.
[06:10] <Hobbsee> yeah, it is.
[06:10] <nixternal> thank you Hobbsee!
[06:10] <Hobbsee> but it's not related to feature freeze
[06:10] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:10] <manchicken> Yeah.  I don't know how to package.
[06:10] <nixternal> I forget all the time about --force-overwrite
[06:10] <Hobbsee> right, i cant see a core dev.  i'm not fixing it.
[06:10] <nixternal> manchicken: you code, I package :)
[06:10] <manchicken> No, I'm not saying it's related to that.  I'm saying I'm running with features right now, I'll take care of bugs after features are in.
[06:10] <Hobbsee> (work soon, dont have time to chase)
[06:11] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:11] <manchicken> nixternal: I'll work with that ^_^
[06:11] <nixternal> I had the goal of becoming a MOTU this session, but it doesn't look like that is going to happen
[06:11] <Hobbsee> which session?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> well, session meaning what?
[06:11] <nixternal> Feisty session
[06:11] <nixternal> by the end of Feisty dev
[06:12] <nixternal> I wanted to go into Feisty+1 as a MOTU
[06:12] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:12] <nixternal> kerry beagle is a hog
[06:13] <nixternal> strigi is faster, but it is ugly
[06:13] <nixternal> and mono
[06:13] <Hobbsee> then again, they seem to be accepting people who might be competant, just because they can...but i doubt they'd give out core dev in the same way
[06:13] <Hobbsee> (for MOTU, that is)
[06:13] <manchicken> What is the purpose of beagle?
[06:13] <Hobbsee> hrm, is that what manchicken looks like...
[06:13] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Is what what I look like?
[06:14] <nixternal> well from the new rules, you need your key signed by a MOTU, and that is the tough one for me
[06:14] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you lookin' at the hackergotchi I made for him?
[06:14] <manchicken> I must confess there are more photos online that are not me than photos that are me.
[06:14] <nixternal> Hobbsee: he is a typical Chicago hippy pushing FREEDOM!
[06:14] <nixternal> hehe
[06:14] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yep
[06:15] <nixternal> manchicken: show the picture of you and RMS holding hands and gazing into each others eyes
[06:15] <manchicken> Ah.
[06:15] <nixternal> hehe
[06:15] <manchicken> RMS smells funny.
[06:15] <nixternal> go figure
[06:16] <nixternal> a bar of soap isn't free and open, that's why
[06:16] <manchicken> I respect and agree with the guy, but for crying out loud there's nothing that restricts your freedom in the shower.
[06:16] <manchicken> Unless you've got a "friend" over and you've invited them to do so.
[06:16] <yuriy> Hobbsee: the only thing i can find that seems like a dupe is bug 46667, and that's file by the same person
[06:16] <nixternal> and when you do find the ingredients to open soap software, it doesn't smell pretty
[06:16] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 46667 in Ubuntu "user screen resolution cannot be modified" [Medium,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/46667
[06:16] <manchicken> Naw, you can modify and distribute that bar of soap :P
[06:17] <nixternal> haha
[06:17] <nixternal> copyright infringement
[06:17] <nixternal> :)
[06:17] <nixternal> pretty soon I won't be able to upgrade stuff on my truck
[06:17] <nixternal> DRM and ARM join forces
[06:17] <nixternal> Digital/Driving Restrictions Management
[06:17] <nixternal> Automobile Restrictions Management
[06:18] <yuriy> like make large amounts of explosives to blow up credit card companies?
[06:18] <manchicken> Wow, we're way off topic ^_^
[06:18] <Hobbsee> yuriy: right, lure might have fixed, etc, the last one
[06:18] <manchicken> Most people would be uncomfortable with my position on copyrights ^_^
[06:18] <nixternal> that's what people don't get. It doesn't effect them now attitude, but you know what, within the next few years, it will and it will be bad
[06:18] <nixternal> burn them all, everything should be open and free
[06:18] <nixternal> I would trade you seat covers, but that is copyright infringement
[06:19] <nixternal> it is funny, my one blog post that one guy was going nuts calling me crazy, then I used teh rims and seat covers and how I won't be able to trade them, and he shut up
[06:19] <nixternal> ooh, all of my games are upgrading :)
[06:20] <manchicken> RMS said "the only thing worse than an illegally copied version of a proprietary program, is a legally purchased version of a proprietary program."
[06:21] <nixternal> heh
[06:22] <manchicken> I would only expand to say that stabbing someone to obtain the version could be worse than both.  But beyond that, I agree ^_^
[06:22] <nixternal> I would like to know why I have mstcorefonts installed
[06:22] <manchicken> Flash?
[06:22] <nixternal> oh, flash garbage
[06:22] <nixternal> ya, so I can watch YouTube
[06:23] <nixternal> I know, I can rip the streams and convert it, but by then 10 more new videos are out
[06:23] <manchicken> I see nothing wrong with running flash.  But we should still support gnash ^_^
[06:23] <nixternal> dude, I just found a tty bug
[06:23] <nixternal> caps lock light doesn't ignite
[06:24] <manchicken> Especially since nonfree flash doesn't come in 64-bit :'(
[06:24] <nixternal> and when I have caps lock, the shift key doesn't work with the numbers up top at all
[06:24] <manchicken> ignite?
[06:24] <manchicken> It's not supposed to catch fire.
[06:24] <nixternal> hehe
[06:24] <nixternal> lite up
[06:24] <manchicken> Now you want it to smoke?
[06:24] <nixternal> haha yes
[06:24] <yuriy> you agree with RMS's statement but don't see anything wrong with running flash? o_O
[06:24] <manchicken> Those are some pretty unrealistic expectations.
[06:24] <nixternal> make it a true hippy machine
[06:25] <nixternal> yuriy: I see everything wrong with it, but have no choice for YouTube. Until gnash is rocking YouTube, I am stuck with Flash
[06:25] <manchicken> yuriy: Blame the oppressor, not the oppressed ^_^
[06:25] <nixternal> and until they reverse engineer the broadcom cards, I am stuck there as well
[06:25] <manchicken> Agreed.
[06:25] <manchicken> And it's not your fault.
[06:25] <yuriy> i say just don't waste your time watching stupid videos :P
[06:25] <manchicken> It's Adobe's and Broadcom's.
[06:25] <nixternal> other than that, I am free as a freebird
[06:26] <nixternal> yuriy: I can't live w/o my YouTube
[06:26] <manchicken> yuriy: I work for an ad company, I don't get much choice ^_^
[06:27] <nixternal> plus YouTube allows you to watch Jeff and Pia be silly
[06:29] <zakame> afternoon kubuntu-devs :)
[06:29] <manchicken> At the risk of continuing the offtopic convo, why should we have to lose functionality because of corrupt licensing?
[06:30] <nixternal> we shouldn't
[06:30] <manchicken> I don't think Switzerland acknowledges software patents or copyrights.
[06:30] <manchicken> Let's move there.
[06:30] <nixternal> hey, are the fonts in feisty fixed yet?
[06:31] <nixternal> New Hampshire's motto -> Live Free or Die
[06:31] <zakame> migration to .ch?
[06:32] <manchicken> nixternal's motto -> [Free Software]  Chicago Style: letting proprietary solutions sleep with the fishes
[06:32] <manchicken> :P
[06:33] <zakame> where's the Don?
[06:33] <manchicken> You're speaking with him :P
[06:33] <manchicken> heh
[06:34] <manchicken> I'd say nixternal, but I think I'm more aggressive on that front than he is :P
[06:34] <nixternal> my lord, with this upgrade, you would think I just upgraded NASA
[06:34] <nixternal> and my screen fonts just changed in the middle of that last message
[06:34] <manchicken> Nice.
[06:34] <nixternal> not really
[06:40] <nixternal> alrighty
[06:40] <nixternal> this is looking damn good
[06:40] <nixternal> I am back in and LIVE with Feisty
[06:49] <nixternal> the fonts are messed up still I guess. I just don't notice them all that much with the widescreen
[06:50] <sts9> just came from the amarok room and seems that the new amarok 1.4.5 has updated the libgpod requirement to 0.4.2.  Im in feisty right now and still have 0.4.0.  thus my iPod support is broken
[06:51] <sts9> If thats the issue then it probably the same for edgy also
[06:51] <nixternal> I just realised the new Amarok also fades out when you "Stop", that's pretty cool
[06:52] <sts9> yes
[06:52] <sts9> very true
[06:53] <sts9> I dont know. thought maybe someone would want to know about the iPod dependancy.  figured this is the place
[06:53] <sts9> or I can tell the ubuntu people, but why let them take the credit ;)
[06:56] <nixternal> imbrandon: ^^
[06:56] <nixternal> he will want to know I am sure
[06:56] <nixternal> g'nite all
[06:59] <sts9> I see
[06:59] <sts9> there are two in there
[06:59] <sts9> tricky...
[06:59] <sts9> ;)
[07:00] <sts9> its now libgpod1
[07:00] <sts9> but it didnt autoupgrade
[07:00] <sts9> Im gonna try it out
[07:11] <sts9> there are 3 of em - libgpod0 libgpod1 libgpod-common im confused now.
[07:11] <sts9> amarok isnt using any of em right
[09:54] <viviersf> Riddell, ping
[10:30] <Tonio_> hi
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: ping ?
[10:31] <seaLne> Tonio_: would you have time to help me with some k3b build problems?
[10:32] <Tonio_> seaLne: sure
[10:32] <Tonio_> what happens ?
[10:32] <seaLne> it builds except in pbuilder
[10:32] <seaLne> http://www2.duffus.org/tmp/k3brc5.txt
[10:33] <seaLne> let me put the package somewhere
[10:34] <seaLne> Tonio_: http://geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b
[10:34] <Tonio_> strange, generally undefined references are due to missing header files....
[10:34] <Tonio_> 503 ;)
[10:35] <Tonio_> no dir listing on your server
[10:35] <seaLne> http://vwww.geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b/
[10:35] <seaLne> nah broken cluster node :(
[10:37] <Tonio_> ah...
[10:37] <seaLne> also dvd writing dosen't seem to work
[10:37] <Tonio_> seaLne: you can name the package 1.0~rc5
[10:37] <Tonio_> that's easier and works too
[10:38] <Tonio_> okay I'll have a look at the full packaging
[10:38] <seaLne> i can't remember who recomended that version, i asked a while back :)
[10:39] <Tonio_> seaLne: well in theory it has lots of improvements :)
[10:40] <seaLne> i ment someone recmended 0.99~1.0rc5 as a version number
[10:40] <Tonio_> seaLne: you should cdbs the packaging........
[10:40] <Tonio_> seaLne: can I make a few changes to your packaging to make tests ?
[10:41] <seaLne> what kind of changes? i'm not sure its good to change more than necessary from debian
[10:42] <allee> seaLne: the error is during linking.  Was last k3b relibtoolized?
[10:42] <seaLne> allee: can you explain? i'm not to sure what you mean
[10:43] <seaLne> and yes i noticed it seemed to belinking that broke but i wasn't sure what the difference could be between not building in pbuilder but fine outside
[10:44] <_StefanS_> about k3b, how do you guys solve the mp3 stuff that it needs ?
[10:44] <_StefanS_> I mean you can't bundle that with *ubuntu.. but it needs to have compiled support for it (I guess)
[10:45] <seaLne> libk3b2-mp3 is a seperate package that goes in universe
[10:45] <_StefanS_> okay
[11:17] <Tonio_> K3b - Include libdvdread (Video DVD ripping) support:
[11:17] <Tonio_> K3b -                                        no
[11:17] <Tonio_> K3b -     You are missing the libdvdread library
[11:18] <Tonio_> sealne: shouldn't we build with this ?
[11:19] <Jucato> excuse, just wondering if we're going to wait for KOffice 1.6.2 to fix the Krita-GIF bug or could it be made available sooner?
[11:21] <seaLne> Tonio_: its in universe
[11:21] <seaLne> but i did wonder if that might be the problem
[11:21] <Tonio_> seaLne: well we should do a MIR then :)
[11:21] <seaLne> except it said video
[11:22] <Tonio_> I've always wondered if it was possible to provide 2 versions of a package like this
[11:22] <Tonio_> the package in main, with main features only
[11:23] <Tonio_> and a package in universe/multiverse with all options activated....
[11:23] <Tonio_> it is sad not to be able to rip dvd's with k3b, honnestly
[11:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the logout thing is coming along just fine !
[11:23] <Tonio_> same issue with kaffeine and the ripping functions for example
[11:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you ave 2 days !
[11:23] <Tonio_> on 02/08 -> feature freeze
[11:24] <seaLne> i have only ripped a dvd once in my life, is it that big a thing?
[11:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I know - hopefully it will be done today !
[11:24] <Tonio_> seaLne: that's typically the kind of missing features that makes people stay on windows
[11:25] <Tonio_> k3b is a superb tool to rip dvd's, and on kde I don't know of another one
[11:25] <Tonio_> seaLne: I don't use a webcam, but how many people would switch to linux if webcam+IM was well supported ?
[11:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm looking for a synonym for the "selected"-color for a widget to avoid hardcoding "white" for instance
[11:26] <seaLne> Tonio_: i wasn't saying it wasn't potentially usefull just wasn't sure how usefull
[11:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no idea I must say :)
[11:26] <Tonio_> seaLne: consider it is the only good tool to rip a dvd
[11:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hmm don't you think it would be bad to hardcode it ?
[11:26] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum well if that's justa name....
[11:26] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you cant be sure what the user has for "selected" color..
[11:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes I use "white" now
[11:27] <Tonio_> seaLne: when was the build failing ? by the end ? seems to work here with cdbs packaging
[11:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: however its not white as per se, but seems to be adapted anyway
[11:27] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'll use it for now.
[11:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I have plenty of french synonims :)
[11:27] <Tonio_> but in english.........
[11:27] <seaLne> Tonio_: the video kioslave
[11:28] <seaLne> hmm actually interestingly the videodvd slave
[11:28] <Tonio_> seaLne: I'll propose a MIR for libdvdread
[11:28] <seaLne> k
[11:29] <Tonio_> or maybe a k3b-full package
[11:29] <Tonio_> proftpd package is done that way
[11:29] <Tonio_> several compilations with several configure options
[11:29] <Tonio_> that's something we should do for such a package
[11:29] <seaLne> can your built package write a dvd?
[11:30] <seaLne> Tonio_: what all did you change?
[11:30] <seaLne> not that i expect sucessfully building in pbuilder would change the dvd thing
[11:30] <Tonio_> seaLne: I applied buildprep, and switched to cdbs
[11:31] <seaLne> can i get the changes? i want to test
[11:32] <seaLne> Tonio_: what was it you used the -dev flag for again? i wonder how nessesary it is due to the only showing devices with media in them now
[11:33] <Tonio_> seaLne: I just wanna be sure it builds and I will send you the all package :)
[11:33] <seaLne> k
[11:33] <Tonio_> same issue :)
[11:33] <Tonio_> build just failed
[11:34] <seaLne> :(
[11:37] <Tonio_> ./kioslaves/videodvd/videodvd.cpp:    : SlaveBase("kio_videodvd", pool_socket, app_socket)
[11:37] <Tonio_> ./kioslaves/videodvd/videodvd.h:class kio_videodvdProtocol : public KIO::SlaveBase
[11:37] <Tonio_> tonio@kubuntu:~/Desktop/k3b/k3b-0.99~1.0rc5$ grep -d recurse slavebase.h ./
[11:37] <Tonio_> ./kioslaves/videodvd/videodvd.h:#include <kio/slavebase.h>
[11:37] <Tonio_> it should work..... I don't understand
[11:38] <Tonio_> seaLne: you said local build works ?
[11:38] <seaLne> yeah
[11:39] <Tonio_> seaLne: do you have a libdvdread-dev installed ?
[11:39] <seaLne> no
[11:39] <Tonio_> shit....
[11:39] <seaLne> just trying a build with it build-deped
[11:41] <Tonio_> wait a second, shouldn't the cpp file also include the .h file ?
[11:41] <seaLne> which?
[11:41] <Tonio_> videodvd.cpp
[11:41] <seaLne> normally..?
[11:42] <Tonio_> I'm testing
[11:53] <allee> Tonio_: thx for uploading kipi-plugins
[11:54] <Tonio_> allee: your servant
[11:54] <seaLne> build fails even with libdvdread-dev build-dep
[12:05] <seaLne> ooh is shoutcast streams new in amarok 1.4.5?
[12:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: tell me what you think : http://enhance-it.dk/test3.png
[12:07] <seaLne> _StefanS_: i like sleepy konqi :P
[12:07] <_StefanS_> seaLne: well he's gone :)
[12:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: you pinged?
[12:08] <Riddell> viviersf: yo
[12:08] <seaLne> _StefanS_: :(
[12:08] <_StefanS_> forgot to show the mouseover event : http://enhance-it.dk/test4.png
[12:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I wanted to tell you I saw your mail and I had exctly the same opinion
[12:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: we can see that adep_manager performs like a nohup, it is detached from the parent process
[12:10] <Tonio_> hopefully mornfall will have the trick :)
[12:11] <Tonio_> seaLne: I don't understand that build issue with k3b sorry....
[12:11] <_StefanS_> Riddell & Tonio_: Could you check those two screenshots ? if they are ok, then I will start integrating the code into ksmserver.
[12:11] <Riddell> Tonio_: he replied (I've bounced it to you) saying it's because it's a KUniqueApplication, but I did try and change it to KApplication
[12:12] <Tonio_> that's too much a pure coding thing for me to fix it...
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: I'll try agani
[12:12] <Riddell> Tonio_: but he says you can just use --nofork and it'll work
[12:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: isn't that dangerous not to make it a kuniqueapp ?
[12:12] <Tonio_> compile option ?
[12:12] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: checking
[12:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: put "end session for" as the window title and that's perfect for me
[12:13] <Riddell> _StefanS_: good with me
[12:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: I didn't receive the mail atm
[12:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, but when I put it into kde's logout box, it doesnt have a title, so I'm not sure how we should do it.
[12:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you mean ?
[12:14] <Tonio_> I don't understand sory :)
[12:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: check you own logout box.. it doesn't have a titlebar
[12:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you testing the --nofork thing or kuniqueapp removal ? I can test the second thing
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: true indeed
[12:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: maybe we should do the same way
[12:16] <Tonio_> window borders will not fit nicelly with our fade effect
[12:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I agree (fade). logout: On ubuntu/gnome it doesn't even say "End session xxx"
[12:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: That was what I was supposed to mimic, so..
[12:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Well I will try but implementations, and then we can see what fits best.
[12:17] <_StefanS_> but=both
[12:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah people know what they want to do, maybe that's not even needed
[12:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oka. I'm leaving it out.
[12:17] <Tonio_> great
[12:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ping me when you want to test the patch in the package, we don't have much time to get it in
[12:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw, I think we should have a possibility to switching back to the original dialog using settings (like the fade effect just to be sure)
[12:18] <_StefanS_> having a fallback option I mean
[12:19] <guglielf> hi all, sorry for the maybe dumb question: ktorrent 2.1 has been released, how long before it hits kubuntu repos?
[12:19] <Tonio_> guglielf: I uploaded the package yesterday
[12:20] <_StefanS_> guglielf: I already got it
[12:20] <_StefanS_> guglielf: was there this morning
[12:21] <guglielf> thx Tonio_ i just made an adept update but... apparently nothing... going to check that again :)
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'll ping you
[12:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: okay :)
[12:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: nothing relative to nofork in the source afaics
[12:24] <guglielf> Tonio_: aptitude says Version: 2.0.3+dfsg1-0ubuntu1 maybe a problem of rep on my kubuntu?
[12:24] <Tonio_> oups crappy keaboard once again...........
[12:24] <guglielf> Tonio_: i have this one on my sources.list: deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/kde-latest/ edgy main
[12:24] <Tonio_> nofork works
[12:24] <Tonio_> guglielf: ah for edgy !!
[12:25] <Tonio_> I don't think we'll backport it
[12:25] <guglielf> yep :)
[12:25] <Tonio_> no big change...
[12:25] <guglielf> aaaaahh
[12:25] <guglielf> got it
[12:25] <guglielf> Tonio_: thank you, and sorry again for the stupid question here :)
[12:25] <Tonio_> guglielf: no problem :)
[12:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: --nofork doesn't make it to work
[12:27] <seaLne> Tonio_: fyi that l3b package dosen't actually run, slight error in a patch i must have added since last non pbuilder build, but it does still build outside pbuilder fine
[12:27] <seaLne> k3b obviously
[12:27] <Tonio_> seaLne: yes that's strange, really
[12:31] <seaLne> hmm weird its not a patch that causes it, looks like it was build-deping on libdvdread-dev as that was the only other change?
[12:31] <seaLne> well having it installed
[12:32] <Hobbsee> hey all
[12:34] <seaLne> lo Hobbsee
[12:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't think you know what a glare is in french :)
[12:34] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: oh?  what is it?
[12:36] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I can't seem to find a translation :)
[12:36] <Tonio_> but that's not very nice hehe :)
[12:36] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: awww.  btw, there's no clock on your panel now
[12:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: sure there is
[12:37] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: try on a new profile, it is there
[12:37] <Hobbsee> as in, the defaults mucked my panel
[12:37] <Hobbsee> hrm, okay
[12:37] <Tonio_> that's possible indeed...
[12:37] <Hobbsee> ack, it hosed the entire config
[12:38] <Tonio_> ouch
[12:38] <Tonio_> kicker's config is very sensible
[12:38] <Tonio_> I had hard time defining the default
[12:38] <Tonio_> one little thing misses and nothing works....
[12:39] <Hobbsee> yep
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: it works :)
[12:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: need to patch for kapplication + --nofork and that's it ;)
[12:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: works with just kapplication (rather than kuniqueapplication) for me
[12:50] <Hobbsee> [22:34]  <markey> http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,13671.0.html
[12:50] <Hobbsee> [22:34]  <markey> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/83454
[12:50] <Hobbsee> uh oh
[12:50] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83454 in amarok "amarok 1.4.5 will not build collection" [High,Confirmed] 
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: ah ?
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: how did you patch it ?
[12:50] <Tonio_> just s/kuniqueapplication/kapplication ?
[12:50] <Riddell> Hobbsee: is that kubuntu specific?
[12:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[12:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: let me test again
[12:51] <Hobbsee> Riddell: seems so
[12:51] <Hobbsee> hey XVampireX.  mplayer got updated
[12:52] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: Thanks :)
[12:52] <XVampireX> MOM?
[12:52] <Hobbsee> merge o matic
[12:52] <Hobbsee> then again, hopefully i can just sync it
[12:52] <XVampireX> Oh
[12:52] <XVampireX> Are KDE4 packages binary or do I have to compile it? :P
[12:52] <XVampireX> I.E: Can I setup a KDE4 environment for testing?
[12:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: --nofork needed here to make it to work :(
[12:53] <Tonio_> weird....
[12:54] <seaLne> ok not that library to blaim for k3b crash, back to the drawingboard
[12:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee, seaLneinterested testing this patch ?
[12:54] <Tonio_> I'll like to be sure to have the good fixe before we upload
[12:54] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: see developernew.kde.org.  compile
[12:54] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: what's the patch?
[12:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should patch updater too
[12:54] <Hobbsee> er, what's the bug?
[12:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: adept, make debconf working
[12:55] <Riddell> Tonio_: did you do kipi-pluings?
[12:55] <XVampireX> compile, hehe :P
[12:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[12:55] <Riddell> groovy
[12:56] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ahh, cool.  happy to test, assuming you've got i386 binaries
[12:56] <Hobbsee> or assuming it wont take an eternity to compile.
[12:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[12:56] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: yes.  compile.  get used to it :)
[12:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: just give me a second to update the repo :)
[12:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: do me a favour - a dir link to the binary?
[12:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: gogogo !!!
[12:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you can grab the binaries there
[12:57] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: I think I'm used to it, just that it'll take a while to compile KDE4 on my computer
[12:57] <Hobbsee> oh yeah, on the main page.  gotcha
[12:57] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: uh, yeah.
[12:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: just install and retry with postfix (purge the package before testing !)
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yep
[12:59] <Lure> anybody else have problems with kpdf: Unknown device: x11
[12:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: for riddell it looks okay, but in my case I have to use an arg to make it to work
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: can you fix that bug with the overwriting crystal.png too, please?
[12:59] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: which one ?
[12:59] <Riddell> who wants to see if me or Tonio_ is right??
[12:59] <Riddell> please test http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/adept/
[12:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what, as well as tonio's?
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: we both are right :)
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: just interesting to see what happens on other guys computer :)
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: my configuration may be more "default" that yours
[01:00] <Tonio_> ^^
[01:00] <Riddell> we can't both be right!
[01:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: the same package reacts differently on 2 machines
[01:00] <Tonio_> makes sense :)
[01:00] <praetor> our shield blocks the possessed villager's punch.
[01:00] <praetor> You have become better at shield block!
[01:01] <praetor> wrong screen ;)
[01:01] <allee> seaLne: k3b is really strange. no idea yet.  libdvdread-dev is from universe.  So can't be used with k3b from main right?
[01:01] <Riddell> but very appropriate :)
[01:02] <Tonio_> allee: no, and that shouldn't be required, it is optional
[01:02] <Hobbsee> right, who's syaing what here?  Riddell, are you saying it doesnt work?
[01:02] <seaLne> allee: yeah, Tonio_ was talking about a MIR
[01:02] <Hobbsee> libdvdread3 source package is in main already.
[01:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I was saying it doesn't work
[01:02] <Tonio_> not without touching the .desktop file
[01:03] <Tonio_> at least on my machine
[01:03] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: well, it's not coming up as the previous adept_batch was
[01:03] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I'm saying it works, but we disagree about needing --fork
[01:03] <Hobbsee> but you can select within hte terminal
[01:03] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: now try this :
[01:03] <Riddell> --nofork rather
[01:03] <seaLne> Hobbsee: the source is in main but the packages it builds are in universe?
[01:03] <Tonio_> kdesu "adept_manager --nofork"
[01:03] <Tonio_> should work
[01:03] <Hobbsee> seaLne: some of them, iirc.
[01:04] <seaLne> 0.9.7-2 seems to be in universe
[01:05] <Hobbsee> There was an error commiting changes. Possibly there was a problem downloading some packages or the commit would break packages.
[01:05] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: that's what i get
[01:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: works for me with your package o_O
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: what the hell did you patch ? :)
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: my package needs --nofork, yours is okay
[01:06] <Riddell> Tonio_: adept/manager/main.cpp
[01:06] <Riddell> I agree, yours is broken :)
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: yeah I did the same.......
[01:06] <Riddell> hmm
[01:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: your a genius... no other explanation
[01:06] <Riddell> well, I can't disagree with that :)
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: what the hell is different ?
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I based my package on version 0ubuntu12
[01:07] <Tonio_> you did with 11
[01:07] <Tonio_> maybe that explains....
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: can you look at my package please ?
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that we need to be sure of what we upload hehe :)
[01:07] <Hobbsee> uh oh, seems to be pebkac error
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Unpacking postfix (from .../postfix_2.3.6-1_i386.deb) ...
[01:08] <Hobbsee> debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process
[01:08] <Hobbsee> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/postfix_2.3.6-1_i386.deb (--unpack):
[01:08] <Hobbsee>  subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[01:08] <Riddell> bah, upload it and see if it works is far more adventurous
[01:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_'s got further, though
[01:09] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: interesting
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll patch updater too
[01:09] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: i canned the install part way thru
[01:09] <Hobbsee> how do i fix that?
[01:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that happened to me with apt-get cmdline recently
[01:10] <Hobbsee> ah ha...
[01:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: maybe not an adept bug
[01:10] <Hobbsee> no, that's a debconf one, from pebkac
[01:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: simply delete the .dat file and dist upgrade, then retry
[01:10] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: ah yes
[01:11] <Hobbsee> WHEE!!!
[01:11] <Hobbsee> you need the --nofork
[01:11] <Tonio_> I'd say there is the issue /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[01:11] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: is that better with --nofork ?
[01:11] <Hobbsee> yep
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe ;)
[01:11] <Riddell> Hobbsee: now try with my packages
[01:12] <Hobbsee> Riddell: okay
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: I just had the same issue with your package and no --nofork
[01:14] <Hobbsee> interesting
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell's packages work, just running thru the standard katapult.
[01:14] <Hobbsee> ie, with --nofork
[01:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: remove --nofork
[01:15] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: riddell's package is supposed to work without nofork
[01:15] <Tonio_> at least on his customed machine :)
[01:15] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: yes, i did it without --nofork
[01:16] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: nightmare.......; we did the same patch and the result is different
[01:16] <Tonio_> nonsense
[01:16] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: can that be due to the different version ?
[01:16] <Hobbsee> different versions too, i note
[01:16] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah same patch but different version
[01:17] <Tonio_> well with my package and --nofork, everything works, no debconf issue
[01:17] <Tonio_> Riddell: I also noticed adept desktop file "double kdesu"
[01:18] <seaLne> weird k3b crashes on odd numbered runs but is fine on even numbered, ie every second attempt is fine
[01:18] <Tonio_> kdesu adept_manager with option set to use different user
[01:18] <Tonio_> seaLne: forget this.... wait for the stable and a debian package :)
[01:18] <Tonio_> seaLne: our version works like a charm
[01:18] <seaLne> which version?
[01:19] <Tonio_> seaLne: the current feisty one
[01:19] <seaLne> nah lots wrong with it
[01:19] <Lure> Tonio_: not for me :-(
[01:19] <Lure> Tonio_: it iseems something has broken with cdrkit move
[01:20] <seaLne> k3b dosen't like the symlink
[01:20] <Tonio_> Lure: ah ?
[01:20] <Riddell> Tonio_: hmm, yes
[01:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll patch this too
[01:21] <Lure> Tonio_: it may be just my system, but I would still love to have 1.0 in feisty
[01:21] <seaLne> Lure: there are too many bug reports to just be you unfortunatly
[01:22] <Riddell> Tonio_: it really doesn't need --nofork, something is up with your package
[01:23] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll rebuild and test
[01:23] <Lure> seaLne: can you post your current source package somewhere so that others can also play with it?
[01:23] <Lure> seaLne: I might help debugging the crash on the evenings
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/55
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: are you okay with that patch ?
[01:25] <Tonio_> this is the only thing I do
[01:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: looks good
[01:25] <Tonio_> the only difference with your package is I use version 12 as a base
[01:25] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe there is a difference I don't know.......
[01:25] <Riddell> there's nothing in there to make a difference
[01:25] <Lure> Riddell, Tonio_: but shouldn't we prevent running multiple instances now?
[01:26] <Lure> like with manual dcop call or something?
[01:27] <Lure> probably not as important as this bug we are fixing, but I would not like to see new bugs because two instances of adept are running in parallel
[01:27] <Riddell> Lure: adept just complains and opens read-only
[01:27] <seaLne> Lure: http://vwww.geeksoc.org/~kd/k3b/
[01:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: I know but well when there is no logical explanation........
[01:27] <Lure> Riddell: ok, then it is fine
[01:28] <Tonio_> Lure: same than if you launch adept while apt runs
[01:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm rebuilding, but if it also fails, I'll let you build the source package on your computer :)
[01:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: stupid question but is that a i386 machine ?
[01:29] <Tonio_> I'm trying to understand where the difference is
[01:31] <Tonio_> that was a stupid question, your package are i386...
[01:33] <Riddell> Tonio_: ok, hang on
[01:36] <Tonio_> was just a test to check if it works :)
[01:38] <Lure> seaLne: thanks, building now
[01:47] <Tonio_> arggggggggggggggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh !
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't work
[01:47] <fritsch> Tonio_: the d minor version?
[01:47] <Tonio_> grmpf........
[01:47] <Tonio_> fritsch: of course !
[01:48] <fritsch> Tonio_: not a good piece of music to stay calm
[01:48] <fritsch> Tonio_: the fuga makes you "hippelig"
[01:48] <Tonio_> fritsch: better than what I usually listen too :)
[01:48] <fritsch> Muse is more calm ...
[01:48] <Tonio_> my "standard" average music is dream theater
[01:48] <Tonio_> so la tocata is okay
[01:49] <Tonio_> fritsch: but yes some tchaikovsky would have been better :)
[01:49] <fritsch> hehe
[01:50] <fritsch> :-)
[01:50] <Tonio_> la tocata is the best piece of music ever
[01:50] <Tonio_> no way to copare to anything else
[01:50] <Tonio_> pure moment of perfection
[01:50] <fritsch> Tonio_: ever listened to the "dorish" version?
[01:50] <Tonio_> dorish ? what's this ?
[01:51] <Tonio_> maybe the french name is different.... I don't know :)
[01:51] <fritsch> Tonio_: a special version done by bach
[01:51] <fritsch> sorry not a version of the original, just another piece of music
[01:51] <Tonio_> fritsch: ah ;)
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have the evidence KApplicartion isn't enough !!!!!!!
[01:55] <Tonio_> Riddell: adept-installer is KApplication by default, and it fails installing sun-java5-plugin for ages !
[01:55] <Tonio_> lots of reports concerning the installer too
[01:56] <Riddell> adept-installer?
[01:56] <Riddell> what's that?
[01:56] <Riddell> oh, the other UI
[01:56] <Riddell> duh
[01:57] <Riddell> so that explains the problem
[01:57] <Riddell> adept/installer/main.cpp is a KUniqueApplication
[01:57] <Riddell> you patch it in your patch at http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/55
[01:57] <Riddell> but you're testing with adept_manager
[01:57] <Riddell> which you havn't patched
[01:58] <Tonio_> hum, you're right....
[01:58] <Tonio_> I didn't sleep for 30 hours, that may explain :)
[01:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: HO MY GOD !!!!!!
[01:58] <Tonio_> I am reaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaally tired
[01:59] <Riddell> go to bed my friend ;)
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: hehe :)
[01:59] <Riddell> well, don't, then you're sleep patterns will be screwed up
[01:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw here is the patch for desktop files
[02:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: so the nofork thing seems to be enough then ?
[02:00] <Tonio_> since I didn't patched the manager
[02:00] <Riddell> no need for nofork, just use kapplication
[02:00] <Tonio_> I want to be sure.....
[02:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes but it seems to work
[02:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: wait for the desktop files patch !
[02:01] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/56
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: maybe doubling kdesu is the reason adept sometimes doesn't want to launch
[02:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: so this fix is important too :)
[02:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: the super good news is that we have fixed the n1 kubuntu bug ;)
[02:03] <Riddell> why get rid of TryExec?
[02:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: no need of tryexec if exec is the same command
[02:03] <Riddell> super good it is too, puts me in a good mood for the rest of the day :)
[02:03] <Tonio_> and no need of kdesu
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: remember you were not that hot when I decided to have a look :)
[02:04] <fritsch> seaLne: just grapped your k3b sources, build fine on edgy .. but i cannot do anything with it, can I?
[02:04] <Tonio_> "too complicated blablabla"
[02:04] <Tonio_> I couldn't fix it, too hard for me, but deserved a try ;)
[02:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: talking about the fix, how did you monitor the env variables passed to dpkg ?
[02:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: I wondered how you did this...
[02:05] <Riddell> ah well
[02:05] <Riddell> I grepped for startProgram() which is what starts dpkg in konsole
[02:05] <Riddell> and changed it to startProgram("/usr/bin/env")
[02:05] <Riddell> you were mentioning something about genius earlier? :)
[02:06] <Tonio_> hum, I don't understand what that does... :)
[02:06] <Riddell> try it, it prints out the environment variables
[02:06] <Tonio_> ah !
[02:06] <seaLne> fritsch: in pbuilder?
[02:06] <Tonio_> then you saw all the env variable in the output
[02:06] <Tonio_> wow !
[02:07] <Riddell> and I saw that XAUTHORITY was correctly set
[02:07] <fritsch> seaLne: no sorry, just made a dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: not complicated, but how did you have that idea ? ^^
[02:07] <Riddell> but the file it pointed to was not there
[02:07] <Riddell> how did you get the idea of testing adept_batch?  sometimes you just get lucky :)
[02:07] <seaLne> fritsch: yeah it builds fine outside pbuilder
[02:07] <Tonio_> which file pointed it was not here ? xauth ?
[02:07] <Riddell> Tonio_: run `kdesu env`
[02:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: well testing adept_batch was not that hard to guess
[02:08] <Riddell> can't say I'd have thought of it, you're a genius Tonio_
[02:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: we both are genius then :)
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: in fact I remember when playing with the amarok script that adept_batch outputed lots of things
[02:09] <Tonio_> what adept doesn't
[02:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: then I wanted to give a try so that maybe something interesting would come in the tty
[02:09] <Tonio_> that's why I tested it :)
[02:09] <Tonio_> no chance, just a good memory :)
[02:13] <Tonio_> Riddell: should we backport that for dapper ? that's a major issue
[02:16] <Riddell> Tonio_: maybe, it'll get included in the edgy backport I'll do for dist-upgrader
[02:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay ;)
[02:16] <Tonio_> so let's give love to SRUs now.......
[02:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll stop providing SRUs in the future
[02:16] <Tonio_> 2 1/2 month to get the digikam fix in, that's a joke, really....
[02:17] <Riddell> I know
[02:17] <Riddell> I've been wanting to do scribus for ages but just havn't found the will to do it
[02:18] <jeroenvrplaptop>  I have a RT2500 Ralink wifi usb stick -- I see in Adept that I can/must build the driver/module myself; is there also a binary version somewhere?
[02:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: well if everything goes right it is about 15 days to get it in
[02:19] <Tonio_> Riddell: but we can't spent the all days pinging the world to revu first time
[02:19] <Tonio_> then revu in proposed etc.....
[02:19] <Riddell> yep
[02:19] <Riddell> xdg-utils is still in proposed
[02:19] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: 2.5 months?  seems quick, for sru
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: well the good point is that the process is so heavy that everyone will focus on +1 version :)
[02:20] <Riddell> jeroenvrplaptop: -> #ubuntu or #kubuntu
[02:21] <Hobbsee> [00:18]  <Dannilion> Help! I restarted my laptop, and now my Kicker is all messed up and there's this Quicklauncher that I can't get rid of!
[02:21] <Hobbsee> [00:20]  <Dannilion> phew, I think I've found where to get rid of it
[02:21] <Riddell> Hobbsee: do you confirm that amarok problem?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> victim++
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Riddell: havent tried.
[02:21] <jeroenvrplaptop> I know
[02:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: pfffffffff it is easy to get rid of it
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true
[02:22] <jeroenvrplaptop> sorry
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: although, i removed the wrong one, so lost all my config on it
[02:22] <Tonio_> as any applet in fact
[02:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah upgrade can be an issue when changing the default for kicker......
[02:22] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: but what's important is the new install
[02:22] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/83553
[02:22] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83553 in ubuntu-meta "redundant updating of packages" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:22] <Hobbsee> interesting
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true
[02:23] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: in fact as long as you didn't touch the default it is okay
[02:23] <Tonio_> if you customized kicker, you might experience problems
[02:23] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: uh, yeah.  and most poeple have :)
[02:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes :)
[02:24] <seaLne> i'd have thought it would have been the 2nd most customised after background
[02:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well in my case that didn't break anything
[02:25] <Tonio_> but I had a few reports of a few problems
[02:25] <Hobbsee> yeah
[02:25] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well Dannilion doesn't seem to have problems ;
[02:26] <Tonio_> he just hates the new default, so that's okay
[02:26] <Hobbsee> she.  true.
[02:26] <Hobbsee> dislikes it.  *shrugs*
[02:26] <Tonio_> bah defaults cannot feet everyone expectations
[02:26] <Hobbsee> yeah, true
[02:28] <Tonio_> s/feet/fi
[02:28] <Tonio_> my T key drives me nuts
[02:30] <Riddell> hmm, that amarok bug is nasty
[02:30] <Hobbsee> what's it form?
[02:31] <Riddell> ?
[02:31] <Hobbsee> sorry, as in did you find what the cause of it was?
[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: the collection build one ?
[02:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes
[02:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum I'm pretty sure there is already a fix somewhere.....
[02:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/83410 too
[02:34] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83410 in kubuntu-default-settings "removing usplash themes should run  "dpkg-reconfigure usplash"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] 
[02:34] <Riddell> Tonio_: I did
[02:34] <Tonio_> riidah ;)
[02:34] <Riddell> oh no
[02:34] <Riddell> ignore me
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay will do then
[02:35] <Riddell> thanks
[02:36] <XVampireX> http://rejon.org/2007/02/05/inkscape-045-released-and-strategy-toward-inkscape-10/
[02:36] <Lure> seaLne: k3b does not build here: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/57
[02:36] <XVampireX> if no feature freeze yet, inkscape 0.45? :)
[02:37] <seaLne> Lure: that in pbuilder i take it?
[02:37] <Riddell> that's an evil web page
[02:37] <XVampireX> Hobbsee: Don't you have some feature implemented in launchpad for things like that? I.E: Request an updated package?
[02:38] <Hobbsee> XVampireX: no.  not unless someone files a bug for it, and some relevant person sees it
[02:38] <Riddell> XVampireX: 0.45-0ubuntu2 is already in
[02:38] <XVampireX> Wee :)
[02:38] <Lure> Lure: no - debuild on feisty
[02:38] <seaLne> interesting
[02:39] <fritsch> seaLne: it builds on edgy, though with debuil ...
[02:39] <fritsch> :-)
[02:39] <seaLne> i know it also builds fine on feisty with debuild for me
[02:45] <Hobbsee> konversation i'm going to email ubuntu-devel about, as it's going to not make feature freeze
[02:45] <nixternal> moin
[02:46] <Hobbsee> hey nixternal
[02:46] <nixternal> did I miss anything exciting while I slept like a lil baby?
[02:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://amarok.kde.org/forum/index.php/topic,13671.0.html
[02:51] <Tonio_> problem is reported on their forum, but everyone seems to have ubuntu
[02:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suspect a ubuntu only issue
[02:51] <Tonio_> nothing on kde bts btw
[02:51] <seaLne> Lure: was your feisty an upgrade or fresh install?
[02:52] <Lure> seaLne: Herd2 clean + regular updates
[02:52] <Tonio_> Same Problem, same way solve it but then i compiled amarok svn and it worked ..
[02:52] <Riddell> Tonio_: mm, nasty
[02:52] <Tonio_> interesting........
[02:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup I'd say that's a packaging issue
[02:52] <Tonio_> a patch or soemthing
[02:53] <_StefanS_> hehe
[02:53] <elcuco> the adept notifier is showed in green icon on my dekstop since yesterday. it usually was hidden when i had no updates. anyone seeing this bug?
[02:54] <Tonio_> Followup: I just installed the 1.4.5 tarball from amarok.kde.org and it works perfectly. This must be just an Ubuntu package problem.
[02:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'll try to fix :(
[02:54] <Tonio_> imbrandon: ping ?
[02:55] <Riddell> 13:55 -!-  idle     : 1 days 12 hours 59 mins 14 secs
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: think he's aslepe again
[02:55] <Tonio_> indeed...
[02:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you cna log into his machine to get the latest tarball of his, though
[02:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: apt-get source does the trick you know ;)
[02:56] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: true, but he may have already worked on it :P
[02:56] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: url ?
[02:57] <rouzic> Hi all
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: build.imbrandon.com
[02:57] <rouzic> Hobbsee: amarok 1.4.5 for edgy?
[02:58] <Hobbsee> rouzic: not yet.  let's get the bugs out from feisty's version first
[02:59] <rouzic> Hobbsee: okis, thaks
[03:01] <Tonio_> nothing really clear reguarding the the patches........
[03:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: dichotomy will be my friend
[03:01] <Tonio_> remove 3 patches, build then remove the others etc......
[03:01] <Tonio_> :'(
[03:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ugh
[03:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I know :)
[03:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: first thing is to eventually rebuild ;)
[03:05] <Hobbsee> heh, yes
[03:20] <_StefanS_> did that hotkey for showing boot messages get implemented in feisty?
[03:21] <_StefanS_> alt+f1 or something
[03:21] <danimo_> moin
[03:21] <Hobbsee> hey danimo!
[03:22] <danimo> Hobbsee: ah, maybe you can help me. a friend of mine just rm'ed /usr (don't ask ;) )
[03:22] <Hobbsee> oof
[03:23] <danimo> Hobbsee: do you know how to recover a system if apt and dpkg are gone, but the dpkg db in /var is still there?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> danimo: no, i cant say i've ever been sadistic enough to try.  or is that machoistic?
[03:23] <danimo> no idea
[03:23] <danimo> he's just reinstall otherwise
[03:24] <danimo> Hobbsee: but if he could force apt or dpkg to only reinstall all packages, that would maybe be easier
[03:24] <Hobbsee> i mean, i wouldnt think you could *do* anything with the database, unless you downloaded a precompiled, unpacked dpkg somewhere
[03:24] <danimo> sure
[03:25] <Hobbsee> suppose it wouldnt be that hard, if you could find someone on the same release/arch as you
[03:27] <Hobbsee> as in, if you could get to a root shell to copy things
[03:27] <Hobbsee> might have to chroot for that.
[03:28] <danimo> Hobbsee: I was thinking recovery-boot-cd
[03:29] <Hobbsee> danimo: possible.  if you could get apt and dpkg alive, that'd help.  i think the DB might be more of a hindrance than help, as the system would think all those apps are installed
[03:30] <Hobbsee> then again, there's a --set-selections option in dpkg, i think, and a --get-selections - if you piped set... to a text file, then used the textfile to --get..., that might make it quicker
[03:30] <Hobbsee> painful.
[03:34] <Tm_T> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UBzRRCzQVQ
[03:35] <Jucato> cute costume :)
[03:36] <Tm_T> I won that game. :)
[03:36] <Tm_T> I'm that in nerd-xostume, err.
[03:36] <Tm_T> c
[03:54] <DaSkreech> I am a KDE user, and I feel that among the major distro communities, Mandriva and openSUSE are really the only ones that were strongly committed to KDE
[03:54] <Hobbsee> ...
[03:55] <abattoir> DaSkreech: you're quoting someone else?
[03:56] <DaSkreech> Well duh :)
[03:56] <abattoir> (by any chance?)
[03:56] <DaSkreech> http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20070205
[03:58] <DaSkreech> That's a kinda interesting observation. I can't say that he has ever tried Kubuntu or been a part of the community but he is obviously citing a lack of visibility
[03:58] <DaSkreech> Though I think I was kinda shocked the first time that a new KDE was relelased and kubuntu had a package on day zero
[03:58] <DaSkreech> So I'm not sure how he can relate that to not being committed to KDE
[03:59] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: kubuntu has 1 paid dev.  of course they're not going to be "strongly committed" in terms of paid developer time to kde
[03:59] <DaSkreech> Is there a list somewhere of the apps/improvements that kubuntu has given back to the KDE community?
[04:00] <Hobbsee> katapult
[04:00] <Hobbsee> kde-systemssettings...
[04:00] <Hobbsee> dunno about a list
[04:01] <DaSkreech> Guidance?
[04:23] <DaSkreech> Distrowatch is doing pretty well
[04:23] <DaSkreech> They are giving out two cash prizes a month :)
[04:23] <DaSkreech> Kaffiene got dough this month
[04:45] <mhb> Riddell: about?
[05:04] <DaSkreech> Whoot! new Amarok :)
[05:07] <Riddell> 5i mhb
[05:07] <Riddell> hi
[05:10] <mhb> Riddell: hi
[05:10] <mhb> Riddell: I have a dilemma ... is it better to make the os-prober support in grubconfig available even though the patches in os-prober we need are not there yet?
[05:11] <mhb> Riddell: the grubconfig tool can work as a standalone tool, but the os-prober will enhance its functionality (the user would be able to install it through adept_batch)
[05:12] <mhb> Riddell: but we don't have the os-prober patches we need in yet
[05:12] <mhb> Riddell: and I fear they won't get in before FF
[05:12] <mhb> (feature freeze)
[05:15] <Riddell> mhb: we should get in what we can
[05:15] <Riddell> if it's missing a nice feature that's a shame but we can live with it
[05:16] <mhb> Riddell: the problem is: I can make os-prober installable through grubconfig even though it wouldn't help before the patches
[05:16] <mhb> Riddell: or I can disable the os-prober installing but I'm not sure if I'll be allowed to enable it once the patches get in
[05:16] <sebas> mhb: Does grubconfig consider the commented stuff that is used by update-grub to create a menu.lst?
[05:17] <mhb> sebas: yeah, that's a problem
[05:17] <sebas> Otherwise custom changes are overwritten anytime a kernel is updated or something that is supposed to go into the initrd.
[05:17] <sebas> Hm, that is pretty serious.
[05:18] <mhb> sebas: it could change the update-grub configuration
[05:18] <mhb> sebas: but if the user changed the order of the menu entries, I fear update-grub will reset it again
[05:18] <sebas> Yeah, but the order is of no significance, default $N is used for that.
[05:19] <sebas> It doesn't make a difference if sth is first or hundredth in the list if another kernel is booted.
[05:19] <mhb> sebas: and I'm not sure if it's possible to put a non-update-grub menu entry between update-grub ones without trouble
[05:20] <sebas> No, it's not possible.
[05:20] <sebas> You have the section that is updated, and the section that is not.
[05:20] <mhb> sebas: update-grub often changed totally the order of the kernels for me (when I edited menu.lst by hand)
[05:21] <sebas> Yeah, but it doesn't change the default kernel.
[05:21] <sebas> The rest is not important in fact.
[05:23] <mhb> sebas: if you selected the last (non-automagic) OS to be the default and update-grub added new kernels, wouldn't that change the default one?
[05:24] <sebas> Might, but only if the number of installed kernels changed.
[05:25] <mhb> sebas: sure
[05:25] <mhb> I get angry at update-grub sometimes for messing up my changes
[05:26] <mhb> for "not-techy" people I usually leave just one or two entries (and remove the kernel name, to make it less confusing)
[05:26] <mhb> and update-grub messes it all up
[05:26] <mhb> sebas: I'll make sure grubconfig doesn't do anything fatal. We can sort out the bugs during the bug-squashing phase.
[05:27] <sebas> mhb: Cool
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Herd 3 has a Dist-upgrade notification but doesn't currently test to see if the dist-upgrade would be successful?
[05:55] <DaSkreech> Hi manchicken
[05:56] <DaSkreech> manchicken: would you support having f5 reload the updates by default?
[05:57] <manchicken> What now?
[05:57] <manchicken> Oh Adept?
[05:58] <DaSkreech> manchicken: Oh right sorry in adept :)
[05:59] <manchicken> So, in adept_updater, F5 reloads the candidates for update?
[05:59] <manchicken> Or reloads sources?
[05:59] <manchicken> err, updates from sources?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> yep
[05:59] <DaSkreech> Seems logical
[05:59] <manchicken> It does....
[06:00] <manchicken> I'm not sure if it'd be expected though.
[06:00] <manchicken> It seems like it would match behavior in other programs though.
[06:00] <manchicken> And it'd be REALLY easy to implement.
[06:03] <manchicken> Run it by Riddell and see what he thinks.
[06:08] <DaSkreech> Well it's just turning it on in keyboard shortcuts
[06:09] <DaSkreech>  Just .. you know ... by default
[06:09] <DaSkreech>  the user could easily switch
[06:09] <DaSkreech>  I'll bounce it off Riddell though
[06:25] <Sime_away> sebas: congratulations uncle sebas
[06:27] <Lure> sebas: congrats on job at canonical ;-) - bug 70102
[06:27] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 70102 in linux-source-2.6.17 "Toshiba Satellite A70 always reports lid as closed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/70102
[06:29] <Riddell> why are we congratulating sebas?
[06:29] <Riddell> DaSkreech: what's that?
[06:31] <Lure> Riddell: he is now uncle and got job at canonical ;-)
[06:34] <DaSkreech> i was suggesting that adept could have  the key F5 bound to reloading the updates
[06:34] <danimo> sebas: congrats twice then :)
[06:35] <Riddell> says where?
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Riddell: just by default
[06:42] <Riddell> DaSkreech: if you think so,  doubt many people will use it
[06:42] <Riddell> submit a patch
[06:44] <DaSkreech> Just found that everytime Adept said reload I pressed F5
[06:46] <mhb> Lure: what's that bug has to do with it?
[06:47] <Lure> mhb: last comment mentions that sebas is canonical employee ;-)
[06:48] <mhb> hmm...
[06:50] <mhb> Lure: a joke I'm not able to understand ... too bad
[06:51] <Lure> mhb: it is bad joke anyway, so you should not be concerned ;-)
[07:27] <fritsch> Lure: just saw, that guidance-power has 149M ram reserverd
[07:28] <fritsch> Lure: is this the normal behaviour?
[07:28] <ScottK-laptop> fritsch: There's a bug on that.
[07:28] <Lure> fritsch: not, but in python-dbus
[07:28] <mhb> fritsch: no, but it's reported
[07:28] <fritsch> more than firefox
[07:28] <fritsch> oki, thx
[07:28] <ScottK-laptop> bug 82313
[07:28] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 82313 in dbus-python "Guidance-power manager memory growth in Feisty" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/82313
[07:28] <Lure> fritsch: I just got some new (plenty) of python-dbus memory leak patches I want to try
[07:29] <ScottK-laptop> Lure: Let me know when you want someone to test.
[07:29] <mhb> Lure: do you think you fix it before FF?
[07:29] <fritsch> Lure: if you want someone to test before release, just provide me an url
[07:29] <mhb> Lure: you can count on me, too
[07:29] <fritsch> :-)
[07:29] <fritsch> Like Luke Skywalker said: little helpers are better than none
[07:29] <Lure> mhb: it is not really in my powers
[07:29] <Lure> fritsch: ;-)
[07:29] <fritsch> hehe
[07:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: I will not be there toonight, but I'll look at fixing amarok tomorrow or thursday
[07:32] <Tonio_> ln -s /usr/lib/amarok/amarokcollectionscanner /usr/bin
[07:32] <Tonio_> haha !
[07:32] <Tonio_> looks like the package misses a few files
[07:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm testing the fix
[07:35] <Tonio_> debian/tmp/usr/bin/amarokcollectionscanner	/usr/lib/amarok
[07:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: found it
[07:35] <Tonio_> that's in amarok/install
[07:38] <sebas> Lure: Maybe we should add some option to poll "initial_poll=False" and ignore the lid thing when this is set to True from the constructor, otherwise
[07:38] <sebas> -otherwise
[07:39] <sebas> We probably only want to do $things when something's changed (that is first detect state A, next time detect state B)
[07:39] <sebas> mhb: Do you want me to review grubconfig?
[07:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: ah hah
[07:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just surprised it worked before...
[07:42] <Tonio_> maybe that's recent packaging change...
[07:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: fixed package building here, I will upload if that's okay
[07:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we build amarok with gpod support ?
[07:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: what was decided on that point ? bug 83515
[07:44] <Ubugtu> Malone bug 83515 in amarok "amarok 1.4.5 package is not compiled with ipod support" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83515
[07:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: we don't want gtk deps that's it ?
[07:46] <fritsch> mmmh but this sucks ;-) - just plugged in my ipod
[07:47] <Tonio_> fritsch: I know....
[07:47] <Tonio_> fritsch: well the problem is that we want to avoid gtk deps
[07:47] <Tonio_> but in that case I would make an exception
[07:47] <fritsch> mmmh, i think half of the people use firefox anyways?
[07:47] <Tonio_> providing amarok without ipod support is a nonsense
[07:47] <Tonio_> especially since that's a build option
[07:47] <fritsch> so gtk dependencies are "installed" by user later?
[07:47] <Tonio_> not a plugin you can add post install
[07:47] <mhb> sebas: I'm preparing a fairly large update of the code
[07:48] <Tonio_> fritsch: no you need to build amarok against that lib
[07:48] <Tonio_> if the package is done without, you can install any lib you want, that will not work
[07:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: we really should consider building with ipod support honnestly...
[07:49] <Tonio_> amarok is THE killer app on linux to manage your ipod, avoid that functionnality is a pure nonsense
[07:49] <fritsch> fritsch: yes, me knows that, but is this just for "cosmetic" reasons or for space reasons?
[07:49] <Tonio_> I know lots of people that would get ridd of kubuntu just for this !
[07:49] <Lure> fritsch: new patches do not help :-(
[07:49] <DaSkreech> is there any reason for not having a qt way of accessing the iPod?
[07:49] <Tonio_> Lure: your opinion on that point ?
[07:50] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: code the lib :)
[07:50] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: well technically a lib shouldn't be gtk or qt....
[07:50] <DaSkreech> Yeah that did cross my mind
[07:50] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: I must say a gtk library is a bit strange, but well that's it
[07:50] <DaSkreech> but since the lib is gtk it seems
[07:50] <Lure> sebas: not sure if I want to fix kernel/hal bugs in powermanager too much
[07:50] <sebas> mhb: Ok, I'll wait then
[07:50] <sebas> Lure: Right
[07:50] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: the point is that it works like that, we have to choose to remove ipod support or not
[07:51] <Tonio_> I say "NO" !
[07:51] <Tonio_> Lure, sebas: your opinion guys ?
[07:51] <DaSkreech> Maybe file a bug to remove the gtk dependency?
[07:51] <DaSkreech> at some future date?
[07:51] <Lure> Tonio_: is this libgpod dependancy?
[07:51] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: maybe yes
[07:51] <Tonio_> Lure: yes
[07:52] <Tonio_> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.9), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3)
[07:52] <Tonio_> that's stupid for a lib but that's it
[07:52] <Lure> Tonio_: kipi-plugins also needs it for iPod plugin
[07:52] <Tonio_> and amarok ipod support is done via that lib, so we removed ipod support, which is a pure stupid choice in my opinion
[07:52] <Tm_T> IMO Amarok should have ipod support.
[07:52] <Tonio_> Lure: yes, but well ipod support for kipi is not as important as ipod support for the best audio player in the world !
[07:53] <Lure> Tonio_: shipping gtk is even LSB requirement afair, so I do not have major problem
[07:53] <Lure> Tonio_: I just hate all the *gnome*
[07:53] <Tonio_> Lure: don't we ship it with gtk-qt ?
[07:53] <Tonio_> yes we do
[07:53] <Lure> Tonio_: not sure, you should know better
[07:53] <Tonio_> what is the problem then ?
[07:53] <Lure> Tonio_: exactly? ;-)
[07:53] <Tonio_> Lure: we do ;) Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.5-1), libc6 (>= 2.5-0ubuntu1), libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.12.9), libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2.10.3),
[07:54] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm adding ipod support to amarok :)
[07:54] <fritsch> mmh, if you don` t do, this would be a real shocker for all ipod kubuntu users
[07:54] <Tonio_> removing amarok support is like shooting our own foot
[07:54] <fritsch> i think the new ones, would reinstall windows und get itunes :-(
[07:55] <Tonio_> fritsch: nightmare !!!!!!!!
[07:55] <Tonio_> fritsch: they wouldn't see adept +kdebconf running !
[07:55] <Tonio_> sebas: have you seen that ? we got it to work finally ;) kubuntu bug n1 fixed ;)
[07:56] <fritsch> after that i handled over a boot cd from kubuntu
[07:59] <Lure> Tonio_: so, we can install java and flash plugin?
[07:59] <Tonio_> Lure: yes :)
[08:00] <Lure> Tonio_: great
[08:00] <Lure> Tonio_: now just fix python-dbus memory leak and we are done ;-)
[08:05] <mhb> sebas: the bad thing is update-grub ties our hands a lot
[08:06] <mhb> sebas: we cannot move the kernels, we cannot comment them, we can just select how many entries we want
[08:06] <sebas> mhb: I know
[08:06] <mhb> sebas: so I'm adding extra restrictions to the UI to make it (mostly) harmless
[08:07] <sebas> mhb: How so?
[08:08] <mhb> sebas: well I have to disable the move up/down buttons when a update-grub entry is selected, I can't handle enabling/disabling through the usual checkbox, I have to disable that too
[08:08] <mhb> sebas: eww
[08:08] <fritsch> Lure: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dbus/2007-January/006994.html did you try this patch for dbus
[08:08] <fritsch> it fits onto the feisty version ...
[08:10] <sebas> mhb: Hmm
[08:10] <fritsch> Lure: 29 M till now
[08:11] <sebas> mhb: I was thinking of how we can deal with the options.
[08:11] <sebas> I.e. the kernel parameters, that's a bit hard.
[08:12] <sebas> We could do something like "set options [__________________________________]  \n [ ]  Enable for all kernels"
[08:12] <sebas> That'd fit the kopt / kopt_2_6_20 things then.
[08:12] <sebas> update-grub should be able to deal with that then.
[08:13] <sebas> But there might be some overlap, so one would have to check where one options belong in order not to introduce redundancy there.
[08:16] <mhb> sebas: well for Ubuntu kernels the difference is only "recovery mode"
[08:17] <mhb> sebas: so the options (root fs, other options) will be for all update-grub kernels the same except for a recovery mode checkbox
[08:18] <mhb> sebas: and every extra option will be redistributed to all other entries as well (it needs to be saved in AUTOMAGIC configuration or it won't be saved by the next update-grub)
[08:19] <sebas> Hm, one might want a different root= parameter for multiboot systems
[08:19] <mhb> but not for update-grub managed kernels
[08:19] <mhb> I guess
[08:20] <sebas> Right, I think not.
[08:20] <mhb> you can of course select a different root= parameter for a different OS not managed by update-grub
[08:21] <nixternal> ahh the land of KDE. no matter how bad the snow storms strands me here at school, I always have the warmth and comfort of you all :)
[08:24] <sebas> nixternal: Get to work :-)
[08:24] <nixternal> haha
[08:24] <nixternal> I am at school learning to be smart like all of you, work starts at 23:00 UTC
[08:24] <nixternal> Kubuntu work that is
[08:24] <ScottK-laptop> Is "Unknow argument for /var/lib/dpkg/info/kubuntu-default-settings.postrm" a known issue (and yes, the misspelling of the first word is in the original)?
[08:25] <sebas> Ah, ok. Fair enough.
[08:26] <Lure> fritsch: yep, I use all 6 patches, but no help...
[08:26] <Tonio_> sebas: already on my todo ;)
[08:26] <sebas> See!
[08:26] <sebas> My ps has this: /usr/bin/../lib/../bin/wineserver
[08:26] <sebas> Someone might have been drunk while doing this
[08:33] <Lure> sebas: lol
[08:38] <mhb> sebas: ping
[08:40] <seele> mhb: afk for about 20 minutes, i have to prepare for a meeting tonight
[08:40] <mhb> okay
[08:41] <fritsch> Lure: i applied the above mentioned and now it is at 39M growing ...
[08:42] <fritsch> Lure: so not really a fix :-(
[08:42] <Lure> fritsch: yep, I already posted back to mailing list that these patches do not help :-(
[08:44] <Sime> HAL seems to be a bit sick in feisty. It won't mount my USB stick.
[08:44] <Sime> man, that last sentance reads poorly...
[08:46] <ScottK-laptop> Is there a reason why all the kde-games in Feisty main are still KDE 3.5.5?
[08:46] <LaserJock> anybody familiar with kguitar around?
[08:47] <Sime> kded: ERROR: mount failed for /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_4459_A2D4: org.freedesktop.Hal.Device.UnknownError - An unknown error occured
[08:47] <DaSkreech> There was changes in the games for 3.5.6 ?
[08:47] <Sime> kded: ERROR: mounting /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/volume_uuid_4459_A2D4 returned An unknown error occured
[08:47] <ScottK-laptop> DaSkreech: Dunno, but it seems odd to be getting a mix of packages versioned for 3.5.5 and 3.5.6.
[08:48] <DaSkreech> I suppose
[08:48] <Sime> can someone confirm whether USB-pens are working on feisty, plz
[08:49] <Lure> Sime: it works here
[08:49] <Lure> Sime: I get dialog and it gets mounted in /media
[08:50] <Sime> Lure: thanks. I'll test it now on edgy.... I'm also seeming scary messages in syslog. Maybe the pen is dead.
[08:50] <DaSkreech> !dell
[08:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dell - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:50] <DaSkreech> !laptop
[08:50] <ubotu> Laptop support information can be found on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportMachinesLaptops - http://www.linux-laptop.net/ - http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LaptopTestingTeam - http://tuxmobil.org
[08:50] <Sime> works on edgy.
[08:50] <Lure> Sime: strange...
[08:52] <mhb> Sime: hi
[08:53] <Lure> Sime: what kind of FS?
[08:53] <Sime> FAT32
[08:53] <Sime> mhb: hi
[08:53] <Lure> Sime: mine has two FAT (16 and 32) partitions
[08:54] <mhb> Sime, sebas : I've talked to seele about the current state of grubconfig and she suggested it would be best to wait with its inclusion into Kubuntu until update-grub is less restrictive ... it currently forbids you to edit the Ubuntu kernels and change their order, which is what most people would want
[08:54] <Sime> I did an upgrade from edgy yesterday.
[08:54] <Sime> mhb: what is update-grb exactly?
[08:54] <Sime> maybe the upgrade didn't work ok.
[08:55] <mhb> Sime: it is a post-install script (I guess) which updates the menu.lst with the newest kernel or initrd once you update the system
[08:55] <mhb> Sime: but it resets the order and names of the Ubuntu kernels you've had previously - it sets them all up again
[08:56] <Sime> mhb: oh, that's a bummer then.
[08:56] <Sime> Lure: kernel: [17225302.256000]  FAT: utf8 is not a recommended IO charset for FAT filesystems, filesystem will be case sensitive!
[08:57] <mhb> Sime: so the best thing to do is modify it for Feisty+1 and include the grubconfig by then
[08:57] <Sime> Lure: edgy doesn't say that. That seems to be the problem.
[08:57] <mhb> so that people are able to change the names& the order & which kernels they want
[08:58] <Lure> Sime: do you have something in /etc/fstab for /dev/sd[a-z] ?
[08:58] <mhb> Sime: it doesn't mean I'll stop working on it :o) I'll be more than happy to help with guidance any way I can
[08:59] <Sime> Lure: nope
[09:00] <Sime> mhb: are you folowing KDE4 development much?
[09:00] <mhb> Riddell: as I stated earlier (^^), I agree with seele that the best thing to do now is to postpone grubconfig (for feisty+1,probably) until update-grub (the script that updates kernels,initrds, etc.) is less restrictive and allows people to change the kernel names, order etc.
[09:01] <mhb> Sime: well, I'm not actively coding anything else, but I'm testing KDE4 from time to time
[09:02] <mhb> Sime: guidance needs porting, right? Or do you suggest something else?
[09:02] <Sime> mhb: ok, that's good. Sooner or later PyKDE 4 will be dumped in SVN, then we can start porting guidance to KDE 4.
[09:02] <mhb> Sime: I'll be happy to help you once it does
[09:03] <Sime> mhb: I've started porting some of my other projects already, using PyQt4.
[09:05] <nixternal> hey, when I plug in a USB flash drive, I lose mouse clicking
[09:05] <nixternal> I can move the mouse, but I can't click. Is this known?
[09:05] <Lure> nixternal: not here
[09:07] <nixternal> hrmm
[09:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: amarok collection bug fixed, I'll upload once I finished the ipod thing
[09:10] <Sime> mhb: I can't private message btw.
[09:10] <mhb> Sime: oh, sorry .o)
[09:11] <mhb> Sime: can you still answer a bit off-topic question?
[09:11] <Sime> mhb: depends on how off-topic it is. ;-)
[09:12] <mhb> Sime: well, a bit guidance-related
[09:12] <mhb> Sime: I was checking the GNOME system tools the other day, and I've noticed they use a dbus interface called System Tools Backends
[09:14] <mhb> Sime: I like the idea of using a common (stable) backend for the common tasks, so I wondered if some (future) guidance modules could be based on that
[09:15] <Sime> mhb: I'm familiar with what you are talking about. The problem is...
[09:16] <Sime> mhb: that those backends are not maintained very well, are buggy, and use an annoy and undocumented XML IPC mechanism to communicate with the frontend.
[09:17] <sebas> mhb: The trend is to do it the other way round.
[09:17] <Sime> mhb: The machanism adds so much complexity and is so overengineered that is removes any benefit from have a separate backend in the first place.
[09:17] <sebas> Gnome system tools is 10MB of Perl + XML crap, even the developers of it hate it.
[09:17] <Sime> mhb: basically, it sucks.
[09:17] <mhb> too bad
[09:17] <sebas> In Mountainview we discussed sharing guidance's backends
[09:18] <Sime> mhb: it is a solution to a problem which we never had. => a need for separate backends.
[09:18] <mhb> Sime: sometimes it helps to avoid backend trouble - but I see your point
[09:18] <Sime> mhb: if you want separate "backends", write a class or python module that is separate from the GUI.
[09:18] <Sime> mhb: that is what we have done.
[09:19] <Sime> mhb: rather simple, easy to understand and debug. Concentrate on the hard work. -> gettings the backends to work / bug free.
[09:19] <mhb> Sime: true
[09:20] <mhb> Sime: having a common backend means even more people to fix bugs
[09:20] <mhb> Sime: that's what I meant
[09:20] <mhb> sebas: sometimes the trend is to share backends - like telepathy for instance
[09:20] <Sime> mhb: System tools only had one frontend, ever.
[09:21] <Sime> mhb: yes, but system configuration backends often only have one GUI.
[09:21] <Sime> mhb: application level backends/libraries are often different.
[09:22] <Sime> mhb: What is interesting to note, is that Gnome System Tools are writen in Python (IIRC).
[09:22] <bddebian> Heya
[09:22] <Sime> mhb: we can by default easily use each other's python modules. :-)
[09:22] <mhb> Sime: which would be great
[09:23] <mhb> Sime: I'm for backending stuff (sometimes), not for a specific backends ... if that system tools backends suck, nothing I can do about it
[09:23] <mhb> Sime: because Ubuntu's and Kubuntu's GUI tools usually can share the backend, they don't need extra functionality the other doesn't need
[09:24] <Sime> mhb: We've made it clear on at least 2 occassions, that the ubuntu Gnome team could use the config code in displayconfig for the Gnome display config tool.
[09:24] <mhb> Sime: why didn't they use it?
[09:27] <mhb> Sime: by the way, is there a policy for creating the guidance backends in a coherent way?
[09:28] <mhb> Sime: using similar structures so that someone who wants to use those backends will be able to understand them faster?
[09:31] <Sime> mhb: AFAIK, they haven't written a new display config tool for Gnome yet.
[09:34] <Sime> mhb: There is nothing special really. Just put any backend code in its own file and avoid dependancies on Qt/KDE if possible.
[09:35] <Sime> mhb: and do you best to keep the API clean/sane and documented.
[09:35] <Sime> mhb: unixauthdb.py is probably a good example.
[09:35] <mhb> Sime: I'll read that
[09:38] <mhb> Sime: I was asking because grubconfig doesn't have a Ubuntu counterpart ... so someone might be interested in using the backend once it's done
[09:39] <mhb> Sime: thanks for all the answers and your time
[09:40] <Sime> mhb: no probs
[09:41] <Sime> mhb: will you be at FOSDEM by any chance?
[09:41] <DaSkreech> I have a feisty live CD on a laptop that is splitting the screen in three
[09:41] <DaSkreech>  its' strange
[09:43] <mhb> Sime: probably not, it's quite a long way
[09:43] <mhb> Sime: I'm Czech, by the way
[09:47] <Sime> mhb: ok then
[09:56] <mhb> Sime: has anyone thought about recoding all of the system-tools-backends functionality into python?
[09:57] <Sime> mhb: which functionality is missing? (As a matter of fact, I used the display util in Mandrake as the starting point for displayconfig).
[09:57] <Sime> mhb: missing from guidance?
[09:57] <mhb> Sime: samba
[09:57] <mhb> Sime: at least, I can check what more
[09:58] <Sime> mhb: true. Setting up shares would be good.
[09:58] <mhb> Sime: and there is a need for that - Kubuntu lacks a good GUI for Samba (I guess you know that)
[09:58] <Sime> mhb: have you seen a good UI for samba anywhere else?
[09:59] <mhb> Sime: no, to be honest. But I'm not very familiar with SuSE or Mandriva GUI tools
[09:59] <Sime> mhb: someone must have one...
[10:00] <mhb> Sime: I will check that, okay?
[10:00] <Sime> mhb: The new linux distribution Pardus wrote some config tools using Python.
[10:00] <Sime> mhb: Xandros probably has such a tool.
[10:00] <Sime> mhb: Linspire???
[10:02] <mhb> Sime: I'll do some research about it, okay? Collect some screenshots and information
[10:02] <mhb> Sime: I'll poke you once I've got that done
[10:03] <Sime> mhb: that would be handy.
[10:03] <Sime> mhb: a proper Samba tool would be fairly complex, IMHO.
[10:03] <Sime> mhb: it is something that might make more sense if it was on a context menu in Konq.
[10:05] <mhb> Sime: true, but there are also some global configuration options that need to be set up
[10:06] <mhb> Sime: so a Enable/Disable share in the context menu and a center where you can see what you've set up
[10:06] <Sime> mhb: that is what makes it hard to make a good tool that Kubuntu's target end users can use.
[10:06] <Sime> mhb: possibly.
[10:07] <mhb> Sime: seele (the UI expert) said she could help with that
[10:07] <mhb> Sime: first things first - I'll make an analysis of the other tools out there.
[10:08] <Sime> mhb: good. Jan has also done some usability work for guidance.
[10:08] <ryanakca> make my life easy 
[10:09] <mhb> Sime: thanks again for the comments & input
[10:14] <Sime> mmm... that usb-pen _is_ getting mounted. Maybe it is my fault here...
[10:15] <bdmurray> kfmclient seems to have run away on me.  is this the right place to ask about it?
[10:16] <kwwii> hi bdmurray
[10:16] <kwwii> bdmurray: it depends on what you mean...if it is more informational #kubuntu would probably be the better place
[10:16] <bdmurray> hey kwii! How are you?
[10:16] <bdmurray> hey kwwii! How are you?
[10:17] <kwwii> good, but doing my taxes :-(
[10:17] <kwwii> and my wisdom teeth are hurting
[10:17] <kwwii> two horrible things at once :p
[10:17] <kwwii> but otherwise, good ;-)
[10:17] <sebas> There's little left then :)
[10:18] <bdmurray> The kubuntu channel isn't listed here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[10:18] <bdmurray> whoops
[10:18] <bdmurray> ignore me
[10:18] <kwwii> hehe
[10:18] <sebas> We do :-)
[10:18] <bdmurray> I blame it on your wisdom teeth kwwii
[10:19] <kwwii> yeah, I am trying to blame everything on that too :p
[10:25] <Sime> cool, "Developer Changelog" in Adept. finally.
[10:25] <Lure> Sime: thanks to manchicken
[10:25] <manchicken> w00t
[10:26] <Sime> yes, I read about that somewhere. :) it is good to see that adept is still being improved.
[10:26] <Sime> the little kubuntu icons in the package list are also handy.
[10:36] <_StefanS_> hi there
[10:42] <mhb>  _StefanS_ hi
[10:43] <_StefanS_> mhb: I'm almost done integrating the source into ksmserver, check the screenshots: http://enhance-it.dk/test3.png and http://enhance-it.dk/test4.png
[10:43] <_StefanS_> with and without hover
[10:45] <mhb> _StefanS_: nice
[10:46] <mhb> _StefanS_: it would need some position adjusting,though
[10:46] <_StefanS_> mhb: I think it's close enough
[10:46] <Lure> _StefanS_: nice, just add some nice icons from kwwii - curently it is very gnomish ;-)
[10:46] <_StefanS_> mhb: probably
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Lure: I was told to use those..
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Lure: Since there wasnt anything else around
[10:46] <Lure> _StefanS_: really? they are ugly ;-)
[10:46] <mhb> Lure: he'll provide some, don't worry ... he said "start with these first"
[10:46] <_StefanS_> Lure: but we can just change them
[10:46] <Lure> _StefanS_: powermanager uses some, but they are small
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: anything to test ?
[10:47] <_StefanS_> Lure: is there some svg's we could use ?
[10:47] <Tonio_> tomorrow is the last day for commit
[10:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I know, I know :)
[10:47] <kwwii> I'll look into making icons
[10:47] <_StefanS_> I won't forget
[10:47] <kwwii> don't worry, artwork can come in later
[10:47] <kwwii> thursday is the first inclusion of artwork
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sorry for bugging you but well, matt is strict concerning freezes
[10:47] <kwwii> another in two weeks
[10:47] <mhb> kwwii: is _StefanS_ 's work considered code or artwork?
[10:47] <_StefanS_> I've been working all day for this stuff to work, and i'm not stopping now
[10:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: even bugs can be fixed later, the functionnality is important
[10:48] <kwwii> mhb: well, that is code
[10:48] <kwwii> but the artwork for it can come later ;-)
[10:48] <_StefanS_> yes.
[10:49] <_StefanS_> btw, that code for getting info from the bootloader - whats that about ?
[10:49] <_StefanS_> a Qstringlist with options .
[10:49] <_StefanS_> +
[10:49] <_StefanS_> ?
[10:50] <mhb> _StefanS_: can I have some comments to your screenshots?
[10:50] <_StefanS_> sure
[10:50] <mhb> _StefanS_: I guess you could improve the aligning
[10:50] <ryanakca> I presue that applet can just use apt-get? or do I need to somehow figure out adept?
[10:51] <mhb> _StefanS_: the text should be in one line, the icons should also be "centered"
[10:51] <_StefanS_> err text in one line.. I dont quite follow
[10:52] <_StefanS_> The text is under the pixmaps
[10:52] <mhb> _StefanS_: if you look at the screenshot closely
[10:52] <_StefanS_> ah
[10:52] <mhb> you'll see that it looks like one text is above the other
[10:52] <_StefanS_> yes
[10:52] <Tonio_> ryanakca: doesn't work ?
[10:52] <mhb> and icons too - they should look like they're in one line
[10:52] <_StefanS_> mhb: thats because of the logout icon being smaller than the others
[10:53] <Tonio_> ryanakca: what is the issue ?
[10:53] <_StefanS_> mhb: I will fix that
[10:53] <mhb> _StefanS_: it's possible to tweak it, right?
[10:53] <ryanakca> Tonio_: no... the applet that pops up when you try to play an mp3 when you don't have the required packages/codecs installed
[10:53] <_StefanS_> mhb: yes no problem
[10:53] <mhb> _StefanS_: the Ubuntu folks managed to do it, so I believe you can do it too :o)
[10:53] <Tonio_> ryanakca: yes the mp3 script
[10:53] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I wrote it and afaik it worked nicelly with edgy
[10:53] <ryanakca> Tonio_: ah... yeah
[10:54] <Tonio_> ryanakca: let me check
[10:54] <Tonio_> ryanakca: or maybe you really want to do it ?
[10:54] <_StefanS_> konversation crashed
[10:54] <_StefanS_> mhb: they used gtk+ but its ofcourse doable on Qt
[10:54] <ryanakca> Tonio_: hmm... doesn't do anything here... and Riddell asked me to fix it... if it works for everybody 'xcept, no point on my fixing something that works
[10:54] <mhb> _StefanS_: I know.
[10:54] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I'm testing
[10:55] <mhb> _StefanS_: also it would be great if the Cancel button had the standard Cancel icon
[10:55] <_StefanS_> mhb: thats because of my windeco
[10:55] <_StefanS_> mhb: sorry, style ;)
[10:55] <mhb> _StefanS_: okay
[10:55] <_StefanS_> mhb: I don't use icons on the buttons
[10:55] <_StefanS_> mhb: I will test on polyester and stuff
[10:55] <mhb> _StefanS_: I see ... I just wanted to make sure it's possible
[10:55] <ryanakca> Tonio_: doesn't matter to me... I haven't managed to figure out a python task Riddell gave me a while back... so this is just something I try to fix for the fun of it 
[10:55] <_StefanS_> mhb: it is.. Just a pushButton
[10:56] <ryanakca> Tonio_: check if you want : )
[10:57] <mhb> _StefanS_: perhaps you can resize the icons so that each one looks the same (or fill with empty space)
[10:57] <_StefanS_> mhb: I will do something like that.. padding where needed
[10:57] <mhb> _StefanS_: looks as large as the others
[10:57] <ryanakca> s/'xcept/'xcept me
[10:57] <_StefanS_> mhb: well you should really put your glasses on :) - its a bit smaller
[10:57] <_StefanS_> mhb: I will do something about it
[10:58] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I see the issues
[10:58] <mhb> _StefanS_: I know it's a bit smaller, I was just finishing the last sentence :o)
[10:59] <ryanakca> Tonio_: kk, mind pointing me to the file? I have the amarok sources from apt-get in front of me
[10:59] <_StefanS_> yipee it compiles now
[10:59] <_StefanS_> mhb: ow sorry
[10:59] <_StefanS_> mhb: not meaning to be all smart-arsed
[11:00] <mhb> _StefanS_: that's cool :o)
[11:00] <Tonio_> ryanakca: you don't have the latest, I just commited a package with 2bugfixes
[11:00] <Tonio_> ryanakca: collection building is one
[11:00] <mhb> _StefanS_: I'm the one who comments it and I don't want to sound like that either :o)
[11:00] <ryanakca> Tonio_: ah... yeah... I guess that's why I couldn't build my collection?
[11:00] <Tonio_> ryanakca: so it's probably easier than I do te package
[11:01] <Tonio_> ryanakca: the package didn't reach the archivs at the moment
[11:01] <Tonio_> I uploaded 10 minutes ago
[11:01] <ryanakca> Tonio_: kk, have fun 
[11:01] <_StefanS_> mhb: nope, but I know what you mean.
[11:01] <_StefanS_> mhb: I always pay attention to such details aswell
[11:02] <mhb> _StefanS_: if you want to test something, poke me
[11:03] <_StefanS_> mhb: sure, I just want to check that the buttons work and stuff before bothering everyone :)
[11:04] <sebas> Good night.
[11:04] <_StefanS_> mhb: my record is 92 degrees celsius on the CPU while compiling and running vmware... no need for a heater in here
[11:04] <fritsch> _StefanS_: what CPU?
[11:05] <_StefanS_> T7600
[11:05] <_StefanS_> had a T2600 but swapped it for that one
[11:05] <_StefanS_> mobile cpu's run a bit hot
[11:05] <_StefanS_> :)
[11:06] <mhb> sebas: goodnight
[11:06] <fritsch> _StefanS_: puuuh
[11:07] <_StefanS_> fritsch: yes you could say that
[11:07] <fritsch> _StefanS_: is it a Thinkpad?
[11:08] <_StefanS_> fritsch: yep. T60p
[11:08] <fritsch> _StefanS_: known problem then, some even made a shutdown
[11:08] <fritsch> _StefanS_: some on ltp said: not made for real working ... iirc
[11:08] <Tonio_> ryanakca: of course it doesn't work........
[11:09] <ryanakca> Tonio_: lol
[11:09] <Tonio_> ryanakca: did the guy that touced it even tested ?
[11:09] <Tonio_> that cannot work
[11:09] <ryanakca> Tonio_: I thought you said you wrote it?
[11:09] <Tonio_>   if [ $? -eq 0 ] ; then
[11:09] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I wrote a working one, someone touched it
[11:09] <ryanakca> ah
[11:10] <_StefanS_> fritsch: well yea, but after I ordered a new fan from lenovo, things got much better. I had a problem with proper contact on the GPU and chipset after disassembly
[11:10] <Tonio_> ryanakca: to make it simple he considers the output for Zenity kdialog and xdialog is the same.......
[11:10] <Tonio_> my code was ugly but there was a reason for this
[11:10] <Tonio_> I have to rewrite everything..............; f*ck
[11:10] <ryanakca> Tonio_: ouch
[11:10] <Tonio_> damn when you change something working TEST !
[11:10] <ryanakca> Tonio_: that sucks
[11:11] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I hope to get the dapper or edgy package
[11:12] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I know you didn't
[11:12] <ryanakca> Tonio_: lol, of course I didn't...
[11:12] <Tonio_> but it is not the first time I see guys that code something and don't take a second to test it
[11:12] <_StefanS_> fritsch: can't push it much higher than 92/cpu and 90/gpu. So it's fine now :) - performance is great though. I'm considering 4gb mem upgrade soon..
[11:12] <fritsch> _StefanS_: you also make patches for ibm_acpi?
[11:12] <Tonio_> damn that's arrogant
[11:12] <fritsch> _StefanS_: saw a StefanS some time ago on ltp
[11:12] <_StefanS_> fritsch: nope, what patches do you mean ?
[11:12] <Tonio_> ryanakca: you know why I do good job ? because I know I'm limited
[11:12] <Tonio_> so I test EVERYTHING twice at least
[11:12] <fritsch> _StefanS_: integrate LED Subsystem into ibm_acpi
[11:12] <ryanakca> Tonio_: yeah
[11:13] <_StefanS_> fritsch: that must have been someone else. Love the name though ;O
[11:13] <fritsch> _StefanS_: my R40 is very old now ... but it was in days of the first 2.6 kernel
[11:14] <Tonio_> looks modified in dapper too..... shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit !
[11:14] <fritsch> _StefanS_: 2.4.22-ac6 was the first kernel running on my thinkpad in APM mode
[11:14] <_StefanS_> fritsch: well I got mine as a payment for setting up a sharepoint 2003 with migration of 20gigs of data, which was easy - so don't complain ;)
[11:14] <_StefanS_> fritsch: so I dont
[11:14] <_StefanS_> complain
[11:15] <Tonio_> ryanakca: don't lought.... * Various fixes to install-mp3
[11:15] <Tonio_> Jonathan Riddell
[11:15] <fritsch> _StefanS_: yeah, hui much money for some date ...
[11:15] <Tonio_> argh !
[11:15] <ryanakca> Tonio_: lought?
[11:15] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay I'm sorry you're not arrogant, but your fixes cannot work :/
[11:15] <Tonio_> laught
[11:16] <ryanakca> lol
[11:16] <Tonio_> okay I'll fix this package once and for all
[11:16] <Tonio_> at the moment it cannot even work
[11:17] <ryanakca> kk
[11:18] <Tonio_> ryanakca: lol
[11:19] <_StefanS_> have some of you noticed that if you use fglrx and do a shutdown/restart, the splash only shows itself where its practically ready to reboot ?
[11:19] <_StefanS_> just a black screen in between
[11:19] <ryanakca> splash doesn't show up at all here
[11:20] <fritsch> _StefanS_: mmmh radeonfb makes the same?
[11:20] <fritsch> _StefanS_: I need radeonfb for D2 suspend support, so ne reboot screen here too
[11:20] <_StefanS_> fritsch: donno, but probably not
[11:20] <_StefanS_> fritsch: I havent tried radeonfb
[11:21] <Tonio_> ryanakca: okay adept is broken I have to fix it before fixing amarok
[11:21] <ryanakca> Tonio_: sounds fun
[11:21] <Tonio_> ryanakca: maybe it works in fact..... I didn't saw adept had been removed on my machine :)
[11:22] <Tonio_> that's apparently the cause
[11:22] <ryanakca> lol 
[11:23] <fritsch> Tonio_: they updated apt, aptitude an so on .. this will remove adept currently
[11:26] <Tonio_> yes we have to rebuild
[11:26] <_StefanS_> mhb: check this one out - http://enhance-it.dk/screen1.png
[11:26] <_StefanS_> mhb: vanilla kubuntu
[11:27] <fritsch> _StefanS_: do we get this screen when pressing the power button?
[11:27] <_StefanS_> fritsch: hmm that would be up to kmilo i think
[11:27] <_StefanS_> anyone ?
[11:28] <fritsch> _StefanS_: i think you get this in ubuntu, when pressing this button?
[11:28] <_StefanS_> fritsch: yes. sorry I misunderstood
[11:29] <_StefanS_> fritsch: you mean the icon in the upper right on gnome
[11:29] <_StefanS_> fritsch: correct, its the same
[11:29] <fritsch> mmmh, wait. iirc in ubuntu you could press the power button then there came this screen up, asking what to do
[11:29] <Lure> fritsch: I am working on this actually, but hard to do for multiple logged users
[11:29] <_StefanS_> Lure: thanks ;)
[11:30] <Lure> fritsch: if you want it to work, just change one number in /etc/acpi/powerbtn.sh
[11:30] <Lure> ;-)
[11:30] <Lure> fritsch: search for 0 2 0 and replace it with 1 2 0
[11:30] <Lure> then press power button and it will work (if only one kde user is logged in)
[11:31] <_StefanS_> by the the way.. why isn't HIDD enabled by default in *ubuntu .. I would be cool to have bluetooth HID devices just work out of the box
[11:31] <fritsch> Lure: something like: w |grep xdm |cut -d or so could get all X sessions?
[11:31] <Lure> fritsch: problem it that with 1 2 0 dcop blocks and calls all sessions in sequence
[11:32] <fritsch> hehe
[11:32] <Lure> fritsch: I can get foreground console with "fgconsole" and ps -ef shows which X server is running on that console
[11:32] <Lure> fritsch: but I do not know how to map X server with dcop server
[11:33] <fritsch> Lure: mmmh there was something in the suspend2 userui stuff
[11:33] <fritsch> but i am not really sure
[11:33] <Lure> fritsch: Riddell suggested that we would implement it only for single user and keep old behaviour if multiple users, but I do not like that idea (usability issue)
[11:34] <fritsch> Lure: but standard users are only logged in with one user at a moment?
[11:34] <Lure> fritsch: yep, this is why it is probably acceptable...
[11:34] <Lure> fritsch: I will talk with Riddell tommorow and push something in
[11:35] <fritsch> it`s getting really cool this feisty release
[11:35] <Lure> fritsch: true that - lot's of new contributors help
[11:35] <fritsch> could be the first time of my linux live, that everything works out of the box
[11:36] <fritsch> only have to talk to the kernel guys, if thy could bring in lt_hotswap for hotswapping my cdrom drive
[11:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I can switch between classic kde and the 'fancyUbuntuLogoutforKubuntu' (I know, its a great name). The buttons work fine also. Should have something for you soon
[11:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: cool :)
[11:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it was easier than I thought to have it go along with eachother :)
[11:51] <mhb> _StefanS_: screen? :o)
[11:51] <mhb> _StefanS_: (as in Can you post a screenshot, please?)
[11:52] <_StefanS_> mhb: didn't you see the one I posted before ?
[11:52] <mhb> _StefanS_: yes, but not the one where the buttons are fine :o)
[11:53] <_StefanS_> mhb: hehe well they "work" fine.. I will just adjust those cosmetic things now
[11:53] <_StefanS_> mhb: patience :)
[11:54] <_StefanS_> but I agree.. we could really need some kde icons for that dialog.. it looks like i'm running kde-gnome hybrid hehe
[12:06] <_StefanS_> hmm the icons should be something like this I think: http://enhance-it.dk/icons.png
[12:06] <_StefanS_> nice and shiny
[12:07] <fritsch> good night altogether