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meatballhatany Launchpad pros about?03:06
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meatballhatanyone around who'd be willing to pop into a LoCo Team's meeting this Wed at 0100 UTC ??03:21
meatballhatseriously ... we'll feed you virtual pizza  :P03:21
meatballhatif anyone reads this and is willing to throw some pointers at our LoCo Team about using Launchpad, we'd much appreciate it if you'd show up at 0100 UTC in #ubuntu-ohio  :D  Cheers...03:24
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Bhaskarstub, still problem to download po and mo of schooltool?07:47
stubI haven't heard anything more.07:48
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mruizhi, someone know who I must contact if I have problems with my ubuntu.com email account?08:49
mdkemruiz: what sort of problems08:58
mruizmkde: mail delays08:59
mdkeit's "mdke"09:00
mdkemruiz: are you sure the mail is being delayed at the Ubuntu server?09:00
mdkemine are coming through immediately, afaics09:03
mruizmdke: yes, I'm waiting for a lot of emails (Keysinging) and only I don't received my ubuntu.com emails09:04
mruizmdke,  ups.. keysigning!09:05
mdkemruiz: you can ask the nice people in #canonical-sysadmin. I think it is likely to be caused by you setting your @ubuntu.com address as your preferred launchpad address, which is not allowed and can break things09:08
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mruizmdke: ... interesting answer :) thanks!09:09
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carlos__morning09:10
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mdkemorning carlos 09:12
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cowbudanyone care to explain why I can't set a bug to confirm do I need to be a part of the ubunteneros now or something?09:14
mruizmdke -> processing bugs! ;-)09:15
mdkecowbud: no you don't. Which bug?09:16
mdkemruiz: tickets, I'm not subscribed to the ubuntu-website tickets, so I only those now09:16
mdkeonly saw*09:16
cowbudanyone I pick I don't see where to set the bug to confirmed..09:17
cowbudhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/8233509:17
UbugtuMalone bug 82335 in network-manager "network-manager should not set offline mode when it manages no device" [High,Unconfirmed]  09:17
cowbudtake that one for example09:17
mdkeyou see where it says "Affects network-manager", next to "Unconfirmed"? You click on that09:18
cowbudhah wow09:18
cowbudsad times09:18
cowbudmaybe I should go to bed :) 09:19
mdkewell, perhaps it isn't as obvious as it could be09:19
mdkemaybe it could have an expand arrow by it09:19
cowbudI thought if I clicked there it would take me to an overview of network-manager bugs09:19
cowbudso I never did..09:19
mdkeyou could report a bug on malone and explain that. I think it is valid09:20
cowbudalright 09:20
cowbud:) 09:20
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cowbudmdke: :) someone submitted the bug in 2005 and it has 9 duplicates09:41
mdkehah09:50
mdkecowbud: what number is it?09:50
cowbud109509:51
cowbudhttps://launchpad.net/malone/+bug/109509:51
UbugtuMalone bug 1095 in malone "Unnecessarily difficult to find how to change status or reassign a bug" [Medium,Confirmed]  09:51
mdkethanks09:56
mrevellcowbud, mdke: Thanks for raising the bug. I don't know if you know, but we're working on a new UI for Launchpad, which fixes issues such as this.09:59
mrevellI know that's not much help for now, but we are working on it :)09:59
cowbuddoes it also fix the issue of people submitting bugs not able to select the distro? :) 09:59
cowbudi.e. edgy feisty dapper 10:00
mrevellcowbud: tbh I'd need to check that.10:00
cowbudit makes triaging not so much fun 10:00
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mrevellcowbud: mpt may be able to answer your question. He's our UI guru.10:01
cowbudok10:01
mrevellmpt: cowbud asks if the 1.0 UI allows users to select the distro affected when submitting a bug.10:02
cowbudmpt: do you know if the UI updates being done to malone are going to include the ability to have people submitting bugs to select which version of ubuntu they are using? i.e. edgy, dapper, feisty10:02
mptcowbud, no10:02
cowbudthat way people who triage can also search for just feisty bugs etc. I know there are bugs for that..10:02
cowbudis that ever going to make it in?10:02
mptcowbud, yes :-)10:02
cowbudyAy10:02
cowbud:)10:03
mptbut it's separate from 1.010:03
cowbudwell as long as it is going to make it in :) 10:03
cowbudat some point10:03
UbugtuNew bug: #1095 in malone "Unnecessarily difficult to find how to change status or reassign a bug" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109510:05
mptcowbud, it's bug 42410:07
UbugtuMalone bug 424 in malone "Bugs have no fields to specify package or product versions" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/42410:07
cowbudthanks10:08
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oojahkiko: Thanks for sorting my project support request.12:09
Mezhmm. with the whole "Launchpad emails" (@ubuntu.com/@ubuntu.org) I'd like to set my ubuntu.com as my primary email (so that I dont get my "container" email account used!) is it not possible to have an option of "Use this address to send me emails" and "Display this email address everywhere as my contact address"12:10
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UbugtuNew bug: #83548 in soyuz "feisty non-release pockets need to be regenerated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8354812:30
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mantienahi all01:12
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popeyis there some reason that the launchpad support ticket system only has /ubuntu/ and not /kubuntu/ etc, and further, kde packages (such as konsole) don't appear to be listed, so people cant submit support tickets against that package01:18
popeyhttps://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-helpteam/2007-February/000012.html is the question that prompted this01:18
Fujitsukubuntu is part of ubuntu. All Ubuntu packages should be there, but konsole is likely to be inside kdebase or similar01:19
FujitsuIndeed:01:19
FujitsuPackage: konsole01:19
Fujitsu...01:19
FujitsuSource: kdebase01:19
popeynope01:19
popeysearch for kmail or kate01:20
Fujitsukdenetwork01:20
popeyheh, ahh, koffice is there01:20
FujitsuOops, kdepim01:20
Fujitsukmail is kdepim, kate is kdebase again.01:20
popeyok, understood01:20
popeyI dont use kde so didn't know that structure, thanks01:21
popeywould it make sense to have an /kubuntu/ alias though?01:21
FujitsuNot really.01:21
FujitsuAs Kubuntu == Ubuntu in LP terms.01:21
popeyfrom a kubuntu users point of view they have wiki.kubuntu and kubuntu.org01:22
popeywhy should the support channel be different01:22
popeyI understand the technical reasons for it, but from a user perspective its not consistent01:22
Fujitsu(note that the wiki is just a different skin)01:22
popeyyes, I know, but it still gives them some idea that kubuntu != ubuntu01:22
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UbugtuNew bug: #38398 in rosetta "Bad wording in MO export" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/3839801:36
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evil_kikohi there02:39
evil_kikojamesh, help02:39
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jameshevil_kiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/fileBjiJnK.html02:41
ddaagood morning02:42
ddaaALL YOUR BASE-0 ARE BELONG TO ME02:42
stubOops. He has cracked.02:48
stub(again)02:48
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evil_kikored rum! red rum!03:18
evil_kikoSteveA ping03:22
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evil_kikoniemeyer: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileSrm7IH.html03:42
UbugtuNew bug: #83569 in launchpad "[feisty] launch (both) gnome and kde" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8356903:45
SteveAevil_kiko: wassup?03:46
evil_kikoSteveA I have done some dbschema movement03:46
evil_kikobut I am troubled by adding enumcol.py to webapp/03:46
evil_kikoI read your email03:46
evil_kikoand you don't say anything about EnumCol specifically03:46
evil_kikomy simple proposal involves putting enumcol.py (containing only EnumCol) into canonical.database03:47
evil_kikoand having the rest of the stuff in webapp.enum as you requested03:47
evil_kikonow03:47
evil_kikoI forsee canonical.database becoming webapp.database03:47
evil_kikohopefully03:47
evil_kikoand webapp.adapter moving into that subpackage as well03:48
evil_kikoSteveA how much of this makes you go WTF 03:48
evil_kikoSteveA I am doing this to simplify what Gustavo needs to look at to convert03:48
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evil_kikoEnumCol is the next victim03:49
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evil_kikoSteveA maybe you wanna have a phone call about this03:50
SteveAevil_kiko: thumper is doing this03:51
SteveAwhy are you doing it?03:51
SteveAok03:51
SteveAI'm fine with enumcol going into database03:51
SteveAbut please coordinate with thumper03:51
SteveAso that you guys don't duplicate work03:51
SteveAalso03:51
SteveAdon't go off my email03:52
SteveAgo off the spec03:52
SteveAthumper is maintaining that spec03:52
evil_kikoSteveA: I'm doing this to help gustavo mostly03:52
evil_kiko(and to actually get things done asap instead of postponing forever now that there is blood on the apron)03:52
SteveAI don't see that moving dbschema stuff around unblocks anything03:52
evil_kikoI will chat with thumper about this. TYVM03:52
SteveAand you said you're really busy03:52
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SteveAso, I wonder why you're doing this right now03:53
evil_kikoSteveA: it makes the customization point for storm very simple03:53
SteveAnothing is being postponed forever03:53
evil_kikoinstead of messing in a file03:53
SteveAthumper is doing it03:53
evil_kikowhich contains 5 million other things03:53
SteveAdon't be worried by messing in that file03:53
evil_kikodoes thumper have a branch with this started? 03:53
SteveAthis reorganisation can be done afterwards.  of course, it can be done before as well.03:53
evil_kikoright03:53
SteveAI don't know.  you should talk with him before taking his task03:53
SteveAand work off the spec rather than the emails to the list, and amend the spec if you need to do something with enumcol03:54
evil_kikok03:54
evil_kikoniemeyer https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/filehgxqHV.html04:00
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evil_kiko<carlos.perello@canonical.com>, Request for non-PQM managed04:26
carlosevil_kiko: well, the problem is that I still lack permissions for the ui branch04:26
carlosI was just checking it ;-)04:26
evil_kikocarlos: have you requested this from lifeless or stub or SteveA? I didn't think we were going to merge to that tree anyway04:27
carlosdanilos has rights04:27
evil_kikooh04:27
evil_kikohow odd04:27
carlosand mpt asked me to do it04:27
evil_kikomaybe proxy your landings through danilos then04:27
carlosSteveA: asked me to request such access to lifeless but I guess he was tired when he arrived to .au04:28
danilosevil_kiko: he is already, but when we hit problems, it gets more complicated04:28
carlosevil_kiko: I did, but he got a weird error04:28
danilosevil_kiko: I got a 'merge failed' error04:28
danilosbtw, kiko, why have you turned so evil?04:29
evil_kikomerge failed why?04:30
salgadoI thought lifeless said he'd given permission for everybody to land fixes on the ui branch04:30
salgadocarlos, are you sure you're using the correct branch location?04:31
jameshstub gave everyone permission04:31
evil_kikocarlos: it looks like you're merging to the wrong place04:32
evil_kikobecause otherwise it wouldn't say non-PQM managed branch.04:32
carlosevil_kiko: well, I asked SteveA and he said it was the right one04:33
danilosevil_kiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filelPl2Bl.html04:34
evil_kikodanilos: you need to merge from RF first.04:34
salgadocarlos, you can use pqm-submit --dry-run to check thatc04:34
evil_kikodanilos: that happened to me yesterday; it was because I lacked a revision which stub landed04:34
evil_kikodanilos: and which was manually fixed somehow04:34
evil_kikodanilos: so bzr merge and then submit again and you should be fine04:34
carlosevil_kiko: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/filexwRtZh.html04:35
carlosevil_kiko: I already checked it04:35
evil_kikoisn't it --ui-one-zero or something?04:36
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evil_kikommmm04:37
carlosevil_kiko: I branched from that one04:37
carlos(the one I pasted to you)04:37
evil_kikopretty odd indeed carlos 04:37
evil_kikobut carlos, danilos' failure is known and easy to fix.04:37
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carlosevil_kiko_fud: the thing is that I don't see any conflict to solve04:38
carloshmm04:39
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BjornTcarlos: try removing the slash at the end of ui-one-zero/04:39
salgadocarlos, try to remove the trailing slash04:39
BjornTcarlos: right :) iirc, pqm is picky about that...04:39
salgadoduh04:39
carlosI guess it does ;-)04:39
carlossalgado, BjornT, danilos, kiko: That was the problem, the ending slash04:42
carlosthanks for your help04:42
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daniloscarlos: ah, nice, good luck with your merge then :)04:43
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UbugtuNew bug: #83581 in launchpad ""Answered By" should read "Solved By"" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8358104:50
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ddaaduh, no04:55
ddaaokay, this UI is terminally confused04:57
ddaaStatus: Answered04:57
ddaaAnswered by: Not yet answered04:57
ddaaResponded: 2007-02-0604:57
ddaaflacoste: so, is it answered, responded, not answered, not responded, neither, all?04:57
flacosteddaa: Answered by should be renamed to Solved by04:58
ddaamarshmallow?04:58
ddaaYou "solve" a "question"?04:58
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ddaaNo... you "reply to" a "question", and if you do it well you "answer" it :)04:59
flacostewe used to solve support request, now it seems we solve question04:59
ddaaand this "responded" thing... I guess it should be "Last reply"....04:59
flacosteyeah, 'Last reply' would be more appropriate, I'll file a bug with these two problem05:00
ddaaflacoste: I share your pain05:00
flacostethanks ddaa! compassion is always heart-warming05:00
ddaathis whole portlet thing is wrong in so many respect it's decidedly not funny05:00
flacostehey what a funny guy this "Andreas Redmer"!05:03
flacostehttps://aunchpad.net/~unbenannt how creative!05:04
flacostethat deserves the 'most annoying edit' award05:04
flacosteddaa: bug 8358605:06
UbugtuMalone bug 83586 in launchpad-support-tracker "Details portlet has confusing labels" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83586 - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)05:06
ddaaflacoste: replied to this bug05:12
ddaacan you answer my reply? :)05:12
UbugtuNew bug: #83586 in launchpad-support-tracker "Details portlet has confusing labels" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8358605:15
UbugtuNew bug: #83589 in launchpad "searching for a number in a product's bug jumps to that bug number even if it's unrelated" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8358905:20
flacosteddaa: i just did05:21
UbugtuNew bug: #83590 in launchpad "mouseover in guided bug reporting times out too fast" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8359005:25
ddaaflacoste: crazy discussion05:26
ddaado not have time to get involved05:27
NafalloI want bzr+ssh for the SuperMirror...05:33
ddaaSo do we.05:36
ddaaNafallo: but maybe spiv's time is best spent on the hpss05:36
Nafallo:-)05:37
NafalloI'm pushing mplayer... it's big and slow ;-)05:37
ddaabzr+ssh is not going to improve that terribly05:37
ddaabut the hpss makes it possible to improve this a lot05:38
ddaa(assuming you are pushing a branch based on the vcs-import)05:38
NafalloI'm not :-)05:38
Nafallobut based on ~ubuntu-dev/mplayer/ubuntu05:39
ddaaI wonder why I go to all this trouble if people do not use those imports...05:39
ddaaNafallo: same difference05:39
ddaadumb server cannot figure out it has got all the data already05:39
Nafalloddaa: mplayer import fails anyway :-)05:39
ddaaI thought I had fixed it...05:39
NafalloI checked last night :-)05:39
ddaaso, bzr+ssh is going to make a tremendous difference05:40
ddaasorry about this, but providing shared repos with a dumbfs protocol prevents access control05:41
ddaahpss will solve this problem, so we can couple it with the launchpad db so redundant data will not need to be uploaded05:42
ddaanot for next week, but definitely in the next six months05:42
Nafallothat would really rock :-)05:42
Nafallomaybe one thing could be done as a quick and dirty fix now already... ;-)05:43
ddaasadly, no05:43
NafalloI always push to ~team/$package/$branch05:43
ddaaper-user-per-product shared repos _sounds_ like it would work05:43
Nafallomaybe $package could be an init-repo?05:43
ddaabut it has got too many edge cases05:43
ddaalike it makes moving branches around difficult05:44
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ddaaand can also cause huge lock contention for team-owned branches05:44
ddaaand also it just does not fit with our current system05:45
Nafalloah :-/05:45
Nafallothen I'll just wait for spivs fixes then :-)05:45
Nafalloand deal with it until then :-)05:45
UbugtuNew bug: #83594 in launchpad "[feisty] azureus wont open after update of java" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8359405:46
ddaaBTW, I was meaning "bzr+ssh is NOT going to make a tremendous difference"05:46
ddaaNafallo: on the other hand, with the dumb sftp server there can be hacks to ease your pain05:47
ddaasuch as first uploading an empty branch05:48
ddaaand then copying the .bzr/repository using scp05:48
ddaawell, not scp, but some sftp client, maybe lftp05:49
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ddaaso you can flatline your uplink05:49
popeywhy log a second bug #83586 then link it to 83581 when 83581 already existed?05:49
UbugtuMalone bug 83586 in launchpad-support-tracker "Details portlet has confusing labels" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83586 - Assigned to Francis J. Lacoste (flacoste)05:49
Nafallohmm. sounds ugly :-P05:49
ddaaNafallo: and then push to set up the .bzr/branch right05:49
ddaaNafallo: I said it was a hack :)05:50
Nafallohehe. indeed :-)05:50
flacostepopey: i filed 83586 after an IRC discussion, 84581 only came to my attention afterwards05:50
popeyit was posted in here just before ddaa mentioned it05:50
flacosteand I made the former a duplicate of the later because it documents another problem with another label05:51
popeyat 15:55 he talked about it05:51
popeya few mins after it arrived here05:51
popey*shrugs*05:51
ddaaflacoste: I mentioned it after I saw popey's bug report :)05:51
flacostepopey: yeah, my bad, i didn't read the scrollback but responded to ddaa ping05:51
flacostesorry for the confusion05:51
popeytis okay by me :)05:52
popeyit was the ops first bug report05:52
popeydidn't think he was expecting it to be instantly obsoleted05:52
=== flacoste suffers from chronic sleep deprivation because of new baby, so sometime miss a few things
popeyooo congrats!05:52
popeyboy or girl?05:53
flacosteboy, he's called Jules05:53
popeyfirst one?05:53
flacosteyep05:53
popey\o/05:53
popey"well done" I think is the appropriate thing to say :)05:53
flacostethanks, it's joyous bumby ride05:53
popeyisn't it just :)05:53
flacostepopey, you are yourself a father I read from your page?05:54
popeyyus05:54
popeytwo off05:54
popeythe full set05:55
flacostea boy and a girl?05:55
popeyyus05:55
popeySophie and Sam05:55
flacostehow old are they?05:55
popeySophie is 3, Sam is 5 months05:55
flacostewow, so you're are also under sleep deprivation05:55
popeySam has the dubious honour of having a geek acronym for his initials - Sam Michael Pope -> SMP :)05:55
flacostelol05:55
popeya little05:56
popey(I contrived the acronym :) )05:56
popeywifey didn't know05:56
popeyshe does now, too late \o/05:56
flacostelol05:56
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kikohiii06:15
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carlossee you!06:29
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mptGoooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!07:29
LaserJockgood morning to you mpt 07:30
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UbugtuNew bug: #83613 in launchpad "Last location bar item shouldn't be a link if you're there already" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8361308:45
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jaysMy name is Jay Sulzberger.08:49
jaysI just tried to set up a wikipage at the Ubuntu wiki.08:50
jaysI joined and got my launchpad login identity.08:50
jaysI tried to edit a page at the Wiki, and I now know I am asking the worng folk.08:50
jaysI tried the wikiname JayS but apparently the wiki does not like the short traing string, consisting only of S, because I got no wikipage home page set up automatically.08:51
LaserJockit won't set it up automatically I don't think08:52
jaysI will ask on the UBUNTU irc channel.08:52
LaserJockyou went to wiki.ubuntu.com/JayS ?08:52
jaysI tried08:52
LaserJockand on the lefts side there should be a list of templates?08:52
jaysThe page is not there, perhapos it will be created in a few minutes.08:52
LaserJockno, you need to create it, it doesn't happen magically08:53
jaysAh, I saw no such thing, let me try, it may take me a minute to get back on irc,08:53
jaysAh, thanks Laserjock!08:54
jaysI see something and will now fool with it.08:54
jaysI will sign off for now, as soon as I figure out this irc gizmo.08:54
LaserJock:-)08:55
thumperkiko: no longer evil?08:57
mptHe ran out of evilness09:00
LaserJockis that possible?09:01
UbugtuNew bug: #83615 in launchpad "Remember expanded/collapsed portlet states with cookies" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8361509:10
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jaysWell, I edited the page, the page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JayS exists, but no link was created automatically to the page from the string JayS on 09:19
jayshttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuConInstallfest09:19
mdkeJayS is not a proper link. You need to use ["JayS"] 09:20
mdkesee HelpOnEditing for more information, it's not #launchpad related09:20
jaysAh, thanks!09:20
jaysWe Lispers always miss most syntax ;)09:21
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jaysIt worked.09:22
jaysThanks mdke!09:22
UbugtuNew bug: #83616 in soyuz "IHasBuildRecords should support browsing by time" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8361609:26
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kikothumper!09:37
kikojust the man I wanted to chat with09:37
kikothumper, I did some little dbschema rearrangement09:37
kikoand I wanted to check with you that you are +1 or -1 on it09:37
kikothumper, are you game for some review?09:37
thumperkiko: yeah09:38
thumperkiko: on phone to ddaa right now :)09:38
UbugtuNew bug: #83620 in launchpad "Submit buttons should have consistent position" [Undecided,Unconfirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8362009:40
kikothumper, I'll paste you a link, hang on09:40
lifelessmoin09:49
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evil_kiko_fudthumper: https://sodium.ubuntu.com/~andrew/paste/fileYKrgGw.html10:02
evil_kiko_fudthumper: that patch splits the infrastructure out of lp/dbschema, but leave a compatibility shim in.10:03
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kikothumper, long phone call eh?10:31
thumperkiko: yes10:32
thumperkiko: I have something for you to look at too10:32
kikoshiny10:39
kikothumper, I am MIA in 20 minutes10:39
kikoso make it fast10:39
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