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[02:50] feisty-updates and feisty-securoty claim to be v=6.10, its throwing my apt pinning off [02:51] actually, it might not be, but it still looks suspicious. === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59 [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-129-150.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@71-218-200-243.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:35] hello, I'm just upgraded to feisty an noticed a problem, when compiling kde trunk, I get a linker error for a class that links to openexr, it isn't linking to libstdc++, this a regression from edgy === mpt_ [n=mpt@121-72-133-44.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === beuno [n=martin@200-127-237-151.cab.prima.net.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.15.208.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel === orkid_ [n=orkid@bas1-barrie18-1242373986.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ is now known as asac === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === johanbr [n=j@blk-137-114-65.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mjg59_ [n=mjg59@cavan.codon.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rideout [n=rideout@71-218-200-243.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.6.225.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === marilize [n=marilize@dumbledore.hbd.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === robitaille [n=daniel@ubuntu/member/robitaille] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:27] good morning === keescook hands off the security baton to pitti and heads to bed === shenki [n=shenki@ppp220-250.lns2.adl4.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:40] somerville32: yes, sure. Which date is good? [08:41] Mithrandir, What ever is best for you. [08:41] somerville32: uh; which date have you tested and such? I'm not going to just release a random snapshot and hope it works. === silwol [n=silwol@193.170.68.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:41] Adri2000: no, no point. There's a missing build-dep on python-dev there. [08:42] Mithrandir, I got the impression from Jani that it was already tested. [08:43] somerville32: well, then there is a particular image which is tested. [08:43] ok === kwwii [n=kwwii@khepri.openbios.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === phanatic [n=phanatic@ubuntu/member/phanatic] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F77EE2.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] good morning === thekorn [n=markus@a89-182-25-204.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [i=3a47330c@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [i=3a47330c@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === carlos__ [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@193.85.244.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:38] ogra: new dia release === vinboy [n=vinboy@125-238-82-103.broadband-telecom.global-gateway.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub_ [n=jdub@home.waugh.id.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdub_ is now known as jdub === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-025a68d396745e88] has joined #ubuntu-devel === KaiL [n=KaiL@p548F4DDF.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === lmanul [n=manu@dan75-4-82-239-58-38.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-137-28.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej [n=alex@halls-129-31-82-59.hor.ic.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === olemke [n=olemke@193.10.130.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [n=egon@p54A65252.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:38] Robot101: I think it's just because they haven't been regenerated since November, but I'll follow it up [10:39] in fact, since they haven't been regenerated, screw it, I'll just edit them === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:39] or, no I won't, that would break signatures [10:41] Robot101: chasing it up with the soyuz team === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [n=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@82.145.136.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=sebi@p57AEEF5A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === herzi [n=herzi@p548FC802.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Mithrandir wonders if this is like the quickest implemented spec ever. [11:00] Mithrandir: changelog-closes-bugs, the dpkg-scanchangelog side? [11:00] pitti: yes. [11:00] s/scan/parse/ [11:01] : tfheen@golem /tmp/hello-2.2 > dpkg-parsechangelog | grep ^L [11:01] Launchpad-bugs-fixed: 1112 1234 2345 [11:01] yay [11:03] Mithrandir, I've just modified the backports task for wordpress, you closed the dapper backports instead of the edgy backports ;) [11:03] Mez: oh, sorry. Thanks. [11:03] Mez: finger macros.. [11:04] Mithrandir, no problems, the dapper one's approved now too (I lost it in the ether cause it was closes! thank god someone poked me!) [11:04] Mez: seb will hopefully get to it tomorrow, then [11:05] cool ;) === spo0nman [i=pankaj@unaffiliated/spo0nman] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jinty [n=jinty@64.Red-83-50-216.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === abattoir_ [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] mpt: hi, some time ago we talked about the software-properties and about where it should be accessible. [11:30] mpt: it would be nice if you could also leave a comment on the universe-multiverse-by-default spec. [11:30] mpt: mainly it is about removing s-p from the control center and gnome-app-install. and only making it available in update-manager and synaptic === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:33] ogra: there is a new dia pre version available === dholbach hugs seb128 === seb128 hugs dholbach [11:35] pitti: thanks for handling bug 82143. feisty will be so bercool for the Finnish people now :) [11:35] Malone bug 82143 in language-support-fi "Add main-accepted Voikko packages to a seed, language-support-fi should depend on Voikko spellchecking libraries in 7.04" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/82143 [11:35] Mirv: yay [11:38] yes, that's cool === heno [n=henrik@ubuntu/member/heno] has joined #ubuntu-devel === WaterSevenUb [n=WaterSev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@193.85.244.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jamesh [n=james@200-171-140-32.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Keybuk [n=scott@quest.netsplit.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kent [n=kent@82.145.136.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cypher1 [i=cypher1@nat/hp/x-61fcb3fc06b85983] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pkl_ [n=phillip@lougher.demon.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Fjodor_ is now known as Fjodor === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@vawad-xen1.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] hi Mithrandir [12:43] Mithrandir [12:43] !!! [12:43] hiya Hobbsee, Adri2000 [12:43] :( [12:43] * :) === Hobbsee kicks her keyboard === Mithrandir tickles Hobbsee === Hobbsee stomps on Mithrandir's feet [12:43] Greet, Adri2000, Hobbsee, Mithrandir. [12:43] Hobbsee: just blame your cat ;) [12:44] downtime was a bit larger than anticipated, I forgot to plug in power to one of the RAID drives and wondered why it refused to start.. [12:44] Mithrandir: heh [12:44] hey Fujitsu [12:44] Treenaks: hrm, there's an idea. or my fish [12:44] Hobbsee: something like that [12:44] Mithrandir: gaupol already build depends on python-dev, and I asked a give-back because there is no problem when building it in my up to date pbuilder [12:46] Mithrandir, tis an easy mistake to make [12:46] Adri2000: then why isn't python-dev mentioned in the build log? [12:48] Mithrandir: ah sorry, I apt-get source'd it but didn't see I was downloading the version in debian [12:48] I will request a sync [12:49] ah. :-) [12:49] gaupol (0.7.2-2) unstable; * Add python-dev build requirement (FTBFS with python2.5) [12:49] :) [12:49] indeed. [12:53] well, sync already requested [12:53] but needs an ack === Xof [n=mas01cr@gibbons.doc.gold.ac.uk] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] [12:53] Adri2000, I'm sure you can organise that :) === Hobbsee thought Adri2000 was a MOTU [12:55] iirc, he became one like a week ago. [12:55] I am now, and I've just acked the sync === kent [n=kent@82.145.136.38] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] mvo: in progress on the edubuntu-on-two-cds g-a-i work now === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:04] cjwatson: me too [01:05] mvo: you'll get a .disk/add-on file on the add-on CD containing a path to the app-install data directory relative to the CD root (i.e. '/app-install') [01:05] cjwatson: ok, thanks. I have a patch for update-notifier to get the detection done. and now I'm working on the g-a-i integration === ivoks [n=ivoks@backup.grad.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] cjwatson: we probably need a applications.menu file on the cd as well (from app-install) so that people can customize that [01:06] customize the menu structure [01:06] that is displayed [01:06] is there one of those in app-install-data? [01:07] i guess we need a dedicated one, no ? [01:07] depending on the shipped apps [01:07] ah, yes [01:07] won't the menu code just automatically ignore the irrelevant bits? [01:07] i'm fine with manually generating that for one release though ... [01:08] I'd much rather it did it automatically - excluding bits of XML in debian-cd will be a pain [01:08] can I just try it and see what happens? :) [01:08] heh :) [01:08] the stock one should work fine [01:09] ie. the one that is normally in /usr/share/app-install/desktop [01:09] mvo: ok, done [01:09] thanks === cjwatson tries another build === erlingre [n=erlingre@82.147.63.39] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:13] hello ogra :) === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@host81-156-203-232.range81-156.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] morning guys === carlos [n=carlos@163.pool85-48-166.static.orange.es] has joined #ubuntu-devel === xerxas [n=r67894@AGrenoble-257-1-74-248.w86-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sky_walkie [n=hrdlo@193.85.244.121] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:33] jbabies! === Keybuk prods pitti hopefully [01:44] Keybuk: he might bite, you know === nags [n=nags@59.144.42.222] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] dholbach: did you see the process-stop icon improvement? I tihnk we should include it [01:50] kwwii: ok, I just needed a decision on it [01:50] kwwii: will do it === jack_at_home [n=jack@222.131.248.74] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] dholbach: great, thanks :-) [01:50] cjwatson: is the addon cd for amd64 good? should I download it for testing? [01:51] kwwii: i'll also add some translations to h-i-t [01:51] cjwatson: does the .disk/ contain information about the distro/architecture that the cd is designed [01:52] for? [01:52] dholbach: h-i-t? [01:52] kwwii: human-icon-theme [01:52] dholbach: hehe, gona take awhile till I know all the acronyms ;-) [01:53] mvo: the 20070206.1 build should be good [01:53] np ;-) === dholbach hugs kwwii [01:53] mvo: it does, but it's not all that easily parseable [01:54] mvo: wouldn't it be easier to look in dists/ ? [01:54] I think that's normal [01:54] dists/blah/Release I mean [01:54] cjwatson: fine with me, I was just wondering === Kagou [n=Kagou@88-138-187-63.adslgp.cegetel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] anyone know why murrine is compiled but not available ?! ( https://launchpad.net/+builds/+build/298279 ) === zenrox [n=zenrox@pool-71-115-200-45.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:02] Kagou: probably sitting in binary NEW [02:02] same as libtapioca-cil, I guess [02:02] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text=murrine [02:02] yep [02:03] yep [02:05] can somebody promote espeak to main? I'll do a ubuntu-meta upload later then. [02:05] thanks Hobbsee === Gerrath [n=Shane_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:06] dholbach: it's not promoted until it shows up in anastacia.txt [02:08] hum, it's in there [02:08] I wonder why ubuntu-meta's ./update doesn't reflect the seed change I did like 2-3h ago [02:12] seb128, pitti: Last fesity translation opening went quite well, I'm going to schedule the final opening with Stuart [02:12] carlos: ah, good [02:12] carlos: did you make it faster? ;) [02:13] seb128: it took 2 hours and 15 minutes [02:14] instead of 29 hours.. [02:14] what did you change? [02:14] so I guess the answer is 'yes' [02:14] dholbach: ubuntu-meta will only ever accept items in main [02:14] dholbach: so the promotion has to be done before ./update will pick it up [02:14] seb128: we disabled a trigger that updates another table that is not needed for this process [02:14] ok [02:15] cjwatson: ok, thanks - that's how I understood it also. === cain_ [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [i=flyingfr@gobstopper.dreamhost.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549578EC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [n=fabbione@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:33] kwwii: uploaded [02:33] dholbach: great, thanks :-) === kwwii hugs dholbach [02:34] kwwii: lapo wants to work on tangerine-icon-theme again [02:35] dholbach: I never understood what the point was with the tangerine theme...it is very close to the human theme, or? [02:36] kwwii: they recolored a bunch of tango icons to make the whole feeling smoother (we use Human, then fallback to Tangerine, then Tango, then GNOME, then hicolor) [02:37] dholbach: ahaa, now I get it [02:37] carlos: yay! [02:38] dholbach: good to see that people are being productive :-) [02:38] yeah :) [02:39] is feisty going to ship with pulse as default? [02:39] edgy has madwifi-ng right? [02:39] pulseaudio [02:39] yes [02:40] if so, could I recommend /etc/libao.conf having the default driver as pulse? then ogg123 and mpg321 will work. [02:40] how do I tell madwifi-ng from madwifi? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jonibo [n=jonas@213.212.2.215] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [02:46] elmo: ifconfig | grep wifi0 [02:46] Keybuk: I had to modprobe ath_pci manually, and even then it didn't detect the card [02:46] odd [02:46] it's yet another f"^#$ing intel macbook [02:47] pitti: are -dbg packages automagically generated in future? [02:47] these things follow me around like lost puppies. and like lost puppies, I just want to kick them [02:47] asac: not -dbg, bug -dbgsym packages are automatically created since edgy [02:47] asac: I called them -dbgsym in order to not conflict with the already existing -dbg packages [02:47] asac: we don't need the -dbg ones any more, but removing them all would be too much (and pointless) work [02:48] pitti: ok so we don't need one for thunderbird ... fine :) [02:48] elmo: lspci -n -v > #ubuntu-kernel [02:48] asac: yep [02:48] asac: if you touch the firefox package, feel free to remove that one, too [02:48] elmo: new macbook(pro) atheros parts aren't supported yet [02:50] thom: by Edgy, or by madwifi-ng? [02:50] pitti: ah ok ... and apport-retrace is ment to be run by developers/bug-triagers vs. the user himself? [02:50] pkl_: latter [02:50] needs new HAL [02:50] asac: yes, so far; however, I'm working on an automatic solution [02:50] pitti: I can't get apport to stop giving me crash dialogs for the same application [02:51] Even if I tick the "Don't tell me again for this version" box [02:51] mjg59_: it will show up again once the binary gets touched === Kano [n=Kano@91.64.67.21] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:51] pkl_/elmo: http://madwifi.org/ticket/1001 or so; kyle was thinking about trying to rip the hal out of osx [02:51] pitti: gogo ;) [02:51] hi, why do linux-headers require libc6? [02:52] thom: ! because there's no potential license issues with that :-P [02:52] yeah yeah, didn't say it would go in the distro :P [02:52] pitti: I haven't done anything that ought to touch the binary [02:53] mjg59_: do you have an ~/.apport-ignore.xml, and does the process in question run as your user? [02:53] pitti: I do, and it does [02:54] mtime is in January [02:54] mjg59_: can you put /var/log/apport.log somewhere? [02:54] pitti: www.codon.org.uk/~mjg59/tmp/apport.log [02:54] Oh, hang on, 403 [02:54] Try again === cjwatson attempts to port usplash to libx86 [02:54] belatedly [02:55] pitti: Eh, it's been rotated === abattoir [n=abattoir@cm66.omega20.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:56] pitti: Hm. I just got a crash dialog without anything appearing in apport.log [02:57] pitti: It seems to be the apport dialog (it's got the "Ignore future crashes of this program version" button) [02:57] mjg59_: hm, /var doesn't happen to be mounted noatime for you or so? [02:57] No [02:57] Kano: because executables in the scripts subdirectory are linked against it [02:58] i really dislike that the libc6 is differnet than in etch [02:58] cjwatson: Should just need you to drop x86emu and link against libx86 instead of lrmi.o [02:58] mjg59_: yup, that's what I'm doing [02:58] Kano: use a chroot, and deal [02:58] Ok. Let me know if there's any trouble. [02:58] we should sync libx86 first, though === Zdra [n=zdra@98.199-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] since it's not in the archive, at least wasn't a week or so ago [02:59] I apt-get sourced it today === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:59] oh sure, it's not hard, we just need to do it. [02:59] pitti: Anything useful I can provide? [02:59] cjwatson, that linux-kernel package creates more than 1 kernel it seems. how to compile only one? [02:59] Kano: it's on the wiki [02:59] Kano: The package is designed to build all flavours. [03:00] mjg59_: so, do you get the same report displayed in apport-gtk over and over, or do you actually have new crashes in between? [03:00] the generic one would be enough for me [03:00] pitti: New crashes in between [03:00] mjg59_: log file would still be interesting [03:00] telepathy-butterfly is utterly funted [03:00] pitti: There's nothing in the logfile [03:00] ugh [03:00] Kano: prod debian/rules, it should be obvious [03:00] cjwatson: rock on! :-) [03:00] will look into it [03:00] mjg59_: which process crashes? [03:01] pitti: telepathy-butterfly [03:01] pitti: It doesn't have a "restart program" option [03:01] cjwatson: feel free asking me to test usplash if you need it later :-) [03:01] is there a new source available which is 2.6.20 final based? [03:01] we do need to promote libx86 though [03:01] Nafallo: if it works for me I'll just punt it at the archive; I'm sure you'll notice ;-) [03:01] mjg59_: ah, it's a python crash then, no SIGSEGV or so [03:02] pitti: Right [03:02] mjg59_: right, those cannot go into the log file, since they are called as user [03:02] cjwatson: :-( [03:02] cjwatson: :-) even [03:02] pitti: Ok. That explains the lack of logging, but not the fact that it keeps showing me the dialog :) [03:02] mjg59_: right, then I know what's wrong [03:02] pitti: Ok, cool. Do you want a bug filing? [03:02] mjg59_: in apport I check the 'ExecutablePath', which is still 'python2.5' at that time [03:03] pitti: Ah! Figures. [03:03] mjg59_: bug report would be nice === mvo_ [n=egon@p54A672C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:03] mjg59_: so for interpreted programs I need to check mtime of the interpreted script, not mtime of the interpreter [03:03] cjwatson: fyi, sync request filed. [03:03] mjg59_: thanks for pointing that out [03:03] pitti: what's the difference between "Packages proposed to be included into main" and "Unreviewed packages" in UbuntuMainInclusionQueue [03:03] Mithrandir: please reject it. It's already there. [03:03] libx86 | 0.99-1 | testing | source [03:03] libx86 | 0.99-1 | unstable | source [03:03] pitti: apport or python-apport? [03:03] libx86 | 0.99-1 | feisty/universe | source [03:03] cjwatson: oh, ok [03:04] cjwatson: meh, ok. [03:04] mjg59_: it's just one source, 'apport'; the particular binary is python-apport, but that's not really important for the bug [03:04] it failed to build on amd64, though [03:04] mjg59_: http://librarian.launchpad.net/5155088/buildlog_ubuntu-feisty-amd64.libx86_0.99-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [03:05] I have a fix for that somewhere. [03:05] cjwatson: good question, I didn't see this section before; iwj? === beuno [n=martin@68-155-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:05] cjwatson: Needs to build with backend=X86EMU or something, which I thought rules did but I may have been wrong [03:05] looks like just incorrect build rules - it shouldn't be using lrmi on amd64 [03:06] debian/rules looks to be using spaces wrongly [03:06] Eh, could be [03:06] Feel free to NMU a fixed version to Debian :) [03:06] I'll prod it once my amd64 box upgrades, if Tollef doesn't beat me to it [03:06] cjwatson: that section should just be merged into unreviewed, I figure [03:06] ogra: the support for edubuntu-on-two-cds should be finished with the recent upoads of u-n, g-a-i and python-apt. please test. there are some warts left, but that seems to be mostly ui-glitches [03:07] cjwatson: nah, I'd need to dig it out of somewhere so I'll just leave it to you, but you seen to have identified the problem, so. :-9 [03:07] s/9/)/ [03:07] Kano: Check git. [03:08] fabbione: So do you have actual boxes with root on lvm and the standard setup ? Are they using lilo or grub ? And when update-initramfs runs, what runs lilo ? [03:08] This stuff all looks quite broken to me. [03:08] mjg59_: is it in bzr or anything? [03:09] iwj: i have them yes. they are using grub (/boot is not on lvm). no idea about lilo [03:09] iwj: note that I am montreal now so i don't have access to all of them [03:09] cjwatson: Nope [03:09] iwj: the default install autopartitioner will always keep /boot outside lvm [03:09] fabbione: OIC [03:10] fabbione: OK. AFAICT anyone who is using lilo with ubuntu atm is completely SOL. [03:10] iwj: if people force /boot on LVM, only lilo *might* work [03:10] fabbione: Yes, but everything and its dog runs update-initramfs and nothing runs lilo. [03:10] iwj: i do have a server with lilo but it's still running breezy... [03:10] Do you run lilo by hand ? [03:10] yes i do because === ChiO [n=[Gy0] @200.121.84.17] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:10] because of old memories... [03:10] Yes. Well. [03:11] yeah you get my point [03:11] Very wise of you is all I can say. [03:11] it's a production server and i can't cope with minimal breakage there [03:11] I think I might try to fix that with an initramfs hook script, but after feature freeze. [03:11] but i have machines we can test on [03:11] as many we like === ChiO [n=[Gy0] @200.121.84.17] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Abandonando"] [03:12] Test boxes aren't a problem really. I have a perfectly good test setup here. Well, when I say perfectly good I mean that it demonstrates very well all of the things that are hosed. [03:12] iwj: ehehe ok.. [03:13] But it's nice to be a bit reassured that it's not just me. It's definitely a case of "this couldn't possibly work" and the answer seems to be "it doesn't". [03:13] iwj: the whole raid/lvm thing is busted... we do agree and needs fixing.. [03:13] I suspect that at the moment it would be best fixed in kernel-package [03:13] so it's just not us [03:13] which is what is *supposed* to take care of running boot loader installers [03:13] cjwatson: the kernel does run lilo on upgrades [03:14] oh I see, it's stuff other than the kernel, ok [03:14] the issue that iwj is thinking about is that we do run a lot of update-initramfs [03:14] triggered by other pkgs [03:14] cjwatson: update-initramfs which is run by the postinsts of about a dozen packages will break your boot. [03:14] Unless we fix it to run lilo. [03:14] yeps [03:14] yeah, sorry, forgot about that === iwj puts it on the paper bug list for dealing with later. === fabbione gets an extra cup of coffee [03:15] Still, I'm making surprisingly good progress. [03:15] anyone wants some? mneptok is really good as coffe maker :P === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:15] mjg59_: you'll have an NMU as soon as I can convince the damn thing to build on powerpc, which I think will take upgrading my Debian chroot from prehistoric [03:15] I have / on lvm and I think I can boot it (one more test to do). [03:16] cjwatson: Ah. PPC may still be an issue. [03:16] everyone who installs Ubuntu on an Intel Mac uses Lilo... [03:16] We should get the ftpmasters to make links for all of {unstable,testing,stable,oldstable,old,ancient,prehistoric} on archive.debian.org. [03:17] pkl_: Presumably they are used to all of this crazy lossage ? [03:17] pkl_: Not nowadays [03:18] iwj: grub used to fail with the Mac bios emulation, but that's been fixed for some time [03:18] Is watershed wrong to expect /var/run to exist ? [03:18] iwj: do you have a second for a dpkg question? [03:18] mjg59_: Aha. [03:18] fabbione: Sure. [03:18] Grub doesn't work on bootcamp. There's an article in the latest Linux Format (MacBook HowTo/February) which tells people to use lilo :-) [03:19] pkl_: No, it really does [03:19] iwj: is there any specific reason why dpkg -l doesn't output the epoch in the version? [03:19] fabbione: My mistaken belief at the time that people wanted pretty rather than complete output. [03:19] See also field truncation. === eggauah [n=daniel@201.72.58.251] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:20] iwj: the field truncation happens only when directing to a terminal.. i noticed that [03:20] when redirected to a file it comes in full [03:20] I really need to make dpkg -s DTRT if you pass it no package names. [03:20] but still no epoch [03:20] hmm [03:20] fabbione: I think that's a bug. [03:20] ok thanks for the explanation.. [03:20] mind if i file a bug to get epoch? [03:20] NP. Sure. Sorry :-). [03:21] iwj: sorry for what? thanks for the help :) [03:21] Assign it to me. Sorry for making it wrong to begin with :-). [03:21] mjg59: since when was it fixed, I tried installing edgy under bootcamp about a month ago, and it failed. Even if its fixed, articles are still saying use lilo anyway. [03:21] pkl_: I don't know precisely when it was fixed, merely that it's been fixed. [03:21] iwj: if it has gone unseen for all this time, i guess not that many did really care.. [03:21] Anyway, it's hardly unusual for articles to contradict documentation. [03:22] If there are people using lilo they must be having a pretty fun time. [03:22] bootcamp, refit and grub work fine for me (short of not being able to use the keyboard in grub) [03:25] iwj: done thanks. bug #83567 [03:25] Malone bug 83567 in dpkg "dpkg -l doesn't display the epoch" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83567 [03:25] Yeah, articles often don't follow documantion or are plain wrong. Fact of life. I wasn't reading the article for myself :-) just seeing ehat was being said etc. [03:25] fabbione: Ta. === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj waits for 4x update-initramfs. Damn, we need triggers. [03:26] iwj: you can specify what version you want to upgrade.. [03:26] update-initramfs -u -k $version [03:27] evand: when I found wifi didb't work under edgy, that was reason enough to run Linux only in Parallels. [03:27] pkl_: as mjg59 says, that's been fixed since. There were two issues: one was grub trying to use BIOS calls that bootcamp didn't emulate (AIUI), and the other was grub not supporting GPT so you had to use a tool called mbrsync to copy the GPT into the MBR partition table (which is no longer necessary) [03:27] pkl_: the latter part was certainly broken in edgy [03:28] pkl_: If it's the same model (BCM4328 wifi), just use ndiswrapper. [03:28] pkl_: that's not fixed in grub upstream though, just in Ubuntu's grub (though I got the patch from the upstream mailing list) [03:29] Please don't say "Just use ndiswrapper" [03:29] mjg59_: at the moment it's failing due to lack of sys/io.h [03:29] cjwatson: Yes, PPC doesn't have port i/o [03:30] evand: yes I saw that on the madwifi ticket mentioned previously. I've lots of machines running Linux, and so it wasn't important for me to get it running under BootCamp. I wanted to see how it worked "out of the box" [03:30] mjg59_: oh, joy [03:30] I'll just build the thing on amd64 then [03:30] cjwatson: So that actually needs to be implemented in libx86 [03:30] I'll rip the code out of X at some point [03:31] pkl_: If it's the same model (BCM4328 wifi), just use ndiswrapper. [03:31] sorry [03:31] wrong terminal [03:32] cjwatson, are you an uploader on the ftp ? [03:33] xerxas: why? [03:33] I have a package that have been advocated on revu but it doesn't appear on the distribution , for sth like 10 days [03:33] -> #ubuntu-motu [03:33] I'm waiting that package to package other things [03:33] cjwatson, I've asked on #ubuntu-motu [03:33] don't ask here, then [03:33] xerxas: wasnt it decided that it was in binary NEW? [03:34] Hobbsee, ahh , and then ? [03:34] where it is ? [03:34] oh, sure, if it's in NEW, that can be dealt with here [03:34] what is binary new ? [03:34] what's the package name? [03:34] xerxas: then you wait for it to be fixed, or poke [03:34] libtapioca-cil [03:34] Hobbsee, I don't see any build problems [03:34] NEW queue> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment#head-48234c6bdac8679844493fcc4613f128adf658eb [03:35] xerxas: all new binaries, including those from packages new to ubuntu, go into binary NEW queue. [03:35] aka the abyss, maybe === Kano [n=Kano@91.64.67.21] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Verlassend"] [03:35] rubbish [03:35] it's nowhere near that bad [03:35] :P [03:35] oh, sorry, SRU process is the abyss [03:36] xerxas: processed; it'll be in the archive in about an hour [03:36] it's been in binary new for four days, which is a bit much, but not horrendous [03:36] cjwatson, cool [03:36] what does that mean ? [03:36] cjwatson, can I apt-get install libtapioca-cil in 2 hours on a feisty ? [03:36] yes [03:36] xerxas: wait ~1hr, then download it [03:36] what happened ? [03:36] I processed it [03:37] should I bug you again if my next package is slow to appear ? [03:37] no, please don't [03:37] not me personally [03:37] xerxas: the archive admins bite if poked too much === lamont` [i=lamont@nat/hp/x-c9ed53dca6f14664] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:37] and no, you shouldn't bug in general [03:37] dont they, Mithrandir? [03:37] we have a queue for this [03:37] binary new is processed as a queue, there is no need to poke us unless it's urgent for some reason. [03:37] Hobbsee: we breathe fire first, because we like our food roasted. [03:37] Mithrandir: hhe [03:37] *hehe [03:38] of course, if it's urgent or holding up something, feel free to ask. [03:38] ok , in my case, I need that package to continue my work , I can bug you, right ? [03:38] you don't need that package to continue your work -- you can build it yourself for testing [03:38] but the next package is the final, so I'll just wait .. [03:38] xerxas: of course, the next package, if it's new to ubuntu, will sit in NEW too. [03:38] Keybuk, it works, but then if I want to pbuild sth that require that package , I need the uploaded package [03:39] xerxas: no, you don't. You can easily set up a local repository. [03:39]