=== Fujitsu_ [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lakin [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso finds himself having too much fun with beryl. === lakin_ [n=lakin@S01060013101832ce.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@28.8.100-84.rev.gaoland.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cypherbios [n=cypher@ubuntu/member/cypherbios] has joined #ubuntu-motu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === finalbeta [n=finalbet@d5152A68A.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === d33p__ is now known as luisbg === somerville32 [n=somervil@fctnnbsc15w-156034082106.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === helge [n=helge@249.62-97-194.bkkb.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:09] hola [01:09] zul: hejsan :-) [01:09] moo [01:09] hi [01:15] <_Enchained> good night all [01:15] <_Enchained> dvd95 updated (again) === janm [n=jmalonzo@ppp4592.dsl.pacific.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rrittenhouse [n=tad@unaffiliated/rrittenhouse] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] GRR what do you kill/restart to effect pam changes? [01:19] i.e. the login prompts.... [01:19] init something.... right? === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-109-128.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=pochu@179.Red-88-7-169.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Q-FUNK [n=q-funk@dsl-hkigw8-feb6fb00-217.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rmjb [n=richard@cuscon18813.tstt.net.tt] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:52] Hey guys === Hobbsee waves [01:53] hi Hobbsee :-) === rmjb waves back [01:53] so I have a question on java for feisty [01:53] hi [01:53] :) [01:54] is java 5 or java 6 the preferred java for feisty? [01:54] which one should I list first in my package's dependencies? [01:54] theres a java 6 now? [01:54] Lathiat, For a long time [01:54] in feisty apparently [01:54] I don't know that we a "default" version [01:55] well... not default, but if the majority of java apps are switching to 6 I don't want mine to stick on 5 [01:55] I don't think it's that coordinated [01:55] but I do think there is somewhat of a Java team so you could ask one of them [01:56] #ubuntu-java? [01:56] I don't think there's a channel [01:56] or a mailing list [01:56] but I don't know for sure [01:56] me and 5 bots [01:56] if Seveas is a bot [01:57] I'll email the list [01:58] https://launchpad.net/~motujava [01:59] thansk [01:59] 10q [01:59] well, looks like MOTU Java = zakame === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-72-133-223-147.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] zakame, are you on? === joejaxx [i=joejaxx@alpha.joejaxx.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:02] I'm guessing he'll be on later [02:02] I'll send him an email just in case === freeflying [i=flyingfr@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu === rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:32] lol... I accidantily subscribed motu-sru while I wanted to subscribe motu-swat to a bug... [02:32] Ugh oh [02:32] luckily I can unsubscribe both again *g* [02:34] hi sistpoty! [02:34] hi pochu [02:34] thanks for the upload :) [02:34] it built fine [02:34] your welcome [02:34] sistpoty: do you know something new about the gnome-app bug? :) [02:35] pochu: nope [02:35] hehe === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] Heya [02:38] wb bddebian [02:38] txh sistpoty [02:38] hey bddebian [02:39] Hello rmjb [02:40] hi bddbebian :) [02:40] ups [02:40] typo :) [02:44] Hello pochu [02:45] hi :) [02:47] hi there [02:49] Heya zakame === Hobbsee wonders why universe UVF and FF are on different days === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:55] Hobbsee: because that's what we decided [02:55] to give time to get new packages reviewed [02:55] darn, I shouldn't have gone to the Feisty forum [02:55] no, you shouldn't [02:55] hi zakame [02:55] I avoid it [02:55] LaserJock, Nooooo!!!! :) [02:56] Any particular reason? [02:56] LaserJock: its like crack.. [02:56] I just read through all 11 pages of "composite-by-default: Deferred" [02:56] I closed that and people keep making them :( [02:56] well, they have a point but they argue it so badly [02:57] it seems impossible to get a decent conversation there [02:57] Its about 3/4 merged threads... [02:57] LaserJock: it'll just depress & demotivate you [02:57] don't read it\ [02:58] ajmitch: ahhh [02:58] LaserJock: you crazy person [02:58] ajmitch: too late ;-) [02:58] I'm done with it though [02:59] is it worth requesting a sync of sunbird now? [02:59] did it make it into Debian? [02:59] yeah. experimental [02:59] did ages ago, it seems [03:00] Hobbsee: read the logs from the mozilla team meeting earlier [03:00] they discussed sunbird [03:00] ah right [03:00] yeah, I was going to say that [03:00] read that on the forums ;-) === twanj [n=chatzill@66.176.118.121] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayday_jay [n=mayday_j@maydayjay.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:03] Hey, I'm trying to finish my xvidcap package ( http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=3582 ) .... but running pdebuild ends up with http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4364/ Could anyone give me a bit of help please? [03:04] *grumble* *grumble* [03:04] uh oh [03:04] somebody didn't get a pony today :-) [03:05] LaserJock: no i read the forums...apparently xen is unmaintained [03:05] of course it is! [03:05] I *told* you so [03:05] as is all of Universe [03:05] So... Composite by default is deferred for Feisty? [03:06] and Mark is single-handedly screwing over the entire Ubuntu community [03:06] ;-) [03:06] LaserJock, see the one in cafe about mark paying people to storm the forums? [03:06] LaserJock, Mark as in Mark Shuttleworth? [03:07] meh...forums.. [03:07] somerville32: of course :-) [03:07] LaserJock: How is Mark screwing over the entire Ubuntu community? [03:08] somerville32: by denying them the shiny [03:08] & killing ponies [03:08] What'd we not do this time? :-) [03:08] somerville32: by promising stuff that he can't deliver, apparently [03:09] I somewhat agree with their point in the sense that we need to be very careful about what we are saying *will* be in the next release [03:09] because sabdfl is secretly in league with MS!! [03:09] I don't consider a spec/blog to be a promise but some people do [03:09] Oh, you were talking about composite being deferred before I even mentioned it, lol [03:09] some people consider even a vague rumour to be a promise [03:10] oh... the promises thing reminds me that we should do a revu sprint any time soon [03:10] yep [03:10] this week [03:10] .ok [03:10] maybe a 2-day thing? [03:10] Could anyone help me? :) [03:10] PriceChild: probably not [03:10] ajmitch: sounds great [03:11] starting on wednesday? [03:11] PriceChild: we're too busy complaining [03:11] hehe ah well :) [03:11] sistpoty: why not? [03:11] complaining does need to be done... [03:11] PriceChild: your pbuilder base tarball looks to be outdated or broken [03:11] if you don't do it then some other highly less qualified will attempt and do it all wrong [03:11] LaserJock: your opinion on revu-sprint? [03:11] ajmitch, I built it 5 minutes ago :( [03:11] bddebian: ^^? [03:11] PriceChild: then probably broken [03:12] hehe :) [03:12] How can it be fixed? [03:12] sistpoty: yes, very essential. Maybe 2 3-4 day sprints, 1 per week [03:12] sistpoty: ?? === lengau [n=lengau@c-68-53-53-39.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] PriceChild: depends on how it's broken [03:12] bddebian: what do you think of doing a revu sprint starting wednesday? [03:12] lol ajmitch [03:12] sistpoty: You mean we stopped? ;-) [03:13] hehe === sistpoty stopped :( [03:13] So how do i find out how its broken? ajmitch :P [03:14] ajmitch, LaserJock: I'll write a mail to the ml [03:14] sistpoty: thanks :) [03:14] PriceChild: Have you updated your pbuilder lately? [03:14] bddebian, 5 minutes ago [03:15] PriceChild: login, find out why you can't install the packages [03:15] Hmm, maybe somethings broken in the archives [03:15] but I can install them? [03:15] outside pbuilder, you can [03:15] I can [03:16] then use pbuilder login [03:17] ah sorry [03:19] This doesn't make sense :( [03:20] zlib1g-dev: Depends: zlib1g (= 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu2) but 1:1.2.3-13ubuntu3 is to be installed [03:21] that's ok, if it were easy, we wouldn't be so elitist ;) [03:21] zlib1g is already the newest version. [03:21] haha [03:21] ajmitch: lol [03:21] check where it wants to get things from in sources.list [03:21] & with apt-cache policy [03:22] something is out of sync there, usually due to having security/updates missing or similar [03:22] hm... should I write the announce to -devel-announce? or just -motu? [03:23] PriceChild: It built for me but your version is wrong [03:23] version? [03:23] And why is it not building for me? :'( [03:24] policy has a higher version than installed... Something's very wrong... :P [03:24] sistpoty: -devel-announce could be good, we may get others willing to help out [03:24] ajmitch: ok [03:24] Should be something like xvidcap-1.1.4p1-0ubuntu1 [03:24] ajmitch, LaserJock: anything missing/errors? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4368/ [03:25] PriceChild: I assume it also should not be a native package [03:25] I'm confused as to what you mean :) [03:26] we can't make the REVU sprint next week? [03:26] sistpoty: I wouldn't say that it's to get "as many in as possible" [03:26] since I really don't like that [03:26] PriceChild: I mean you should have an orig.tar.gz [03:26] LaserJock: we could make another sprint next week? [03:27] ajmitch: better suggestion? [03:27] but to review & give feedback on as many packages as possible, to ensure they meet our high quality standards [03:27] Get all the crap in we can... :-) [03:27] bddebian, I do...? I guess I'm still confused... :) [03:27] since it's really a two-way thing, motus teaching people the ways of packaging [03:28] PriceChild: Your upstream tarball should be xvidcap_1.1.4p1.org.tar.gz, not xvidcap_1.1.4p1.tar.gz [03:28] s/org/orig/ [03:28] ajmitch: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4369/ [03:28] yeah, I think we really need to get the contributors on board [03:29] it's easier to guilt trip MOTUs in to reviewing, we know who they are [03:29] ?? [03:29] a REVU sprint really only seem effective to me if the contributors show up too [03:29] sistpoty: I guess it's ok [03:29] ajmitch: ok, thx for proof-reading [03:29] I thought the REVU sprint was very helpful. [03:29] I can review all day but if there aren't people to respond and reupload at the end of the day we don't get much done [03:30] yep [03:30] bddebian, The upstream didn't package their source properly at all... so I had to make the orig myself and noted that in the changelog [03:30] Seeing it coming got me off my duff and packaging. [03:30] sistpoty: feb 2nd? [03:30] ScottK: yep :-) [03:30] argl... -ENOCALENDAR *g* [03:30] hehe [03:30] wednesday == feb 7th [03:31] corrected :) [03:31] can we do Friday and Saturday? [03:31] bddebian, or does your point still stand? :) [03:31] afaik it does [03:31] :( [03:31] LaserJock: well, we'd miss out core-devs on saturday I guess... [03:31] yep [03:31] LaserJock, ajmitch: how about thursday and friday? [03:31] but we might gain some contributors [03:31] as it's the weekend [03:32] bddebian, http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=81535&package_id=83441&release_id=464228 I don't understand what I'm meant to use instead though... [03:32] or am I the only guy nerdy enough to see the weekend as prime Ubuntu time [03:32] LaserJock: true as well [03:32] Fujitsu: ping [03:32] PriceChild: Just rename the freakin' file man :-) === reggaemanu [n=manu@ARennes-257-1-109-128.w86-210.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:32] bddebian, lol ok [03:32] I still want to make sure we get in as many merges/updated merges in as possible before UVF [03:32] bddebian, See that kind of instruction I can understand! :D [03:32] LaserJock: I'm really undecided... ajmitch what do you think? or anyone else? [03:33] Thursday-Saturday? [03:33] sounds sane to me [03:33] 2 days with more core-devs available [03:33] it's going to be mostly MOTUs anyway [03:33] LaserJock: What do you mean Thurs-Sat? [03:33] and mostly bddebian & crimsun [03:33] yep [03:33] while the rest of us cheer them on [03:33] Nah, I don't do nuttin' [03:33] & sit & drink beer [03:33] I know I'm going to be swamped until the weekend [03:33] and I'd like to help out more this time === ajmitch also [03:34] bddebian: you're still the revu janitor :P [03:34] but I'm never one for reviewing === ScottK found sistpoty to be VERY helpful during the last sprint... [03:34] ajmitch: you can DO IT! [03:34] unfortunately /me is a little bit stressed with thesis right now... but I'll try to review as much as possible [03:35] LaserJock: will you be doing another revu-report? [03:35] yep [03:35] cool [03:35] I might have a pre-sprint report [03:35] even better :) [03:35] to update on what we did since the first one [03:35] Guys, give me a couple of days doing a few more merges, and I'll be happy to give reviewing a shot at least. [03:35] LaserJock: nah I've got other things I have to get done by then [03:36] if you get the email out I'll blog it [03:36] and stick it on the forums? ;) [03:36] ummmm, do I have to? [03:36] bddebian, but then "debuild -S -sa" goes crazy and "ignoring deletion of file....." several times [03:37] ok, next try with the mail: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4371/ [03:37] gah mom could really do with a comments field [03:38] TheMuso: that was the other thing I was going to do for stuff [03:38] oh well, I suck === ajmitch needs to get some food [03:38] ajmitch: Never mind. [03:38] PriceChild: Did you generate your package with the other tarball before you re-packed it? [03:38] TheMuso: poke Keybuk about it [03:38] Its just a matter of people checking for sync requests etc before working [03:38] TheMuso: it's the #1 complaint I've seen about MoM === bddebian complains about that tooo [03:39] bddebian, I just replaced the orig I made with the one from upstream then ran it... [03:39] ok, mail sent [03:39] PriceChild: Why? [03:39] :s why to which bit? === bddebian is starting to get confused [03:40] hehe :) [03:40] sistpoty: excellent, thanks [03:40] sorry [03:40] PriceChild: Why did you re-pack it in the first place? [03:40] I can't remember whether I did now.... :( [03:40] Fujitsu: I guess you never committed that libvorbis thing for mplayer? [03:41] bddebian, ah yeah I did.... well sorta... I basically deleted the "debian" folder to make the orig [03:41] There ya go. If you do that, you have to build with the tarball you made [03:42] hehe pardon? :) [03:43] If you make a new tarball, you have to build with that, you can't switch back and forth [03:43] Ok yes I get that... :) [03:43] bddebian: you do realise that the latest upload of that isnt PriceChild's? [03:44] Hobbsee: Oh, no, I didn't :-) [03:44] hehe [03:44] bddebian: :) [03:46] Fujitsu: FYI, I do it know :-) [03:47] Anybody working on libpam-ccreds? [03:49] hmm. what's the correct debhelper to depend on those days? [03:49] >= 5, iirc [03:50] Nafallo: I didn't do it before I left work, correct. If you want to do it, go ahead. [03:50] Hobbsee: thanks [03:50] Fujitsu: already done :-) [03:50] >=5.0.37 [03:51] Fujitsu: seems my branch is bound to launchpad ;-) [03:51] Te ubuntu.83493 branch? [03:51] *The [03:51] Fujitsu: no. that's not bound. ubuntu is bound. the other one is for that bug and is not bound :-) === Nafallo multitasks ;-) [03:52] OK. === twanj_ [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:53] I note that you haven't merged it into ubuntu yet... Or has the push not finished yet? [03:53] Fujitsu: both is true. I'm not quite finished with it yet either. I need to touch debian/* :-) [03:53] OK. [03:53] Why? [03:54] changelog entry + debian/rules --enable-pulse :-) [03:54] and debian/control === Nafallo commits 'bump standards' [04:05] I was thinking about bumping the standards version a couple of hours after I upload it yesterday >_> [04:06] :-) [04:08] How should we do changelog entries? Create a new one with distro UNRELEASED, adding entries in each commit, and only changing the distro to feisty (or whatever) when it's about to be uploaded? Otherwise, changes might not get noted in the changelog... [04:09] I thought we might see how bzr handles it when we just do dch -i in multiple places and then merge... I hope it's smart about it actually :-) [04:10] if we only worked on ubuntu we just need to dch and it will probably "just work"(tm) [04:10] So debian/changelog should be modified in each commit? [04:11] I do that now anyway :-) [04:11] will see if it actually works. [04:11] Yep. === Nafallo thinks bzr is fun to experiment with ;-) [04:12] It is. [04:12] Except when pushes take 3 hours! [04:12] indeed :-) [04:12] Bzr should be great for maintaining packages like this. [04:13] Has someone already requested a sync of libgalago-gtk_0.5.0-1? I don't see if they have === ademan [n=dan@h-67-101-215-128.snfccasy.dynamic.covad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:14] oh. the branchpage for ubuntu is finally updated .-) [04:14] :-) [04:20] Indeed. [04:21] It might be nice if the branch pages showed (or allowed expansion of) commits within merges. [04:22] oh. [04:22] imbrandon: I just ran pbuilder-feisty [04:23] imbrandon: I just ran pbuilder-feisty update [04:23] :-) [04:23] imbrandon: could we have hooks that do that every run? :-) [04:24] sure, why not === ajmitch does apt-get update every time he runs pbuilder === Nafallo is pretty sure he has such hooks somewhere :-) [04:24] it depends on what machine I'm using [04:24] a 1-line hook isn't too challenging [04:24] ajmitch: don't forget dist-upgrade in a hook after :-) [04:24] on my laptop it takes 1 min for the pbuilder to unpack [04:25] so I don't update as often on that one [04:25] Nafallo: not that it's really needed, that's just asking to break things [04:25] ajmitch: I've used it since... breezy or so. never had any breakage [04:25] it just does what update does [04:26] pbuilder update that is [04:27] like now it would have updated gcc and python :-P [04:27] toolchain might be good to have up-to-date :-) === Fujitsu__ [n=Fujitsu@stwgw.stw.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === sistpoty is off to bed now [04:29] gn8 everyone [04:30] wow [04:30] that's early for being him :-P [04:32] Heh. === Fujitsu__ is now known as Fujitsu_ [04:35] hehe [04:36] lots of deprecated warnings when building mplayer :-) [04:37] bug 60473 [04:37] Malone bug 60473 in mplayer "mplayer slowly starting because of AF_INET6" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/60473 [04:38] hrm. what to do about that one? :-) [04:38] remove mplayer from the repos? ;-) [04:38] my gutfeeling is that we shouldn't be in the way for the IPv6 revolution ;-) [04:38] but then again... I actually have an /48 ;-) === chillywilly [n=danielb@CPE-72-133-223-147.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo reject that bug [04:43] hmm [04:43] I should use feisty on this system... ;-) === chillywi1ly [n=danielb@CPE-72-133-223-147.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=vladimir@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] hmm, the REVU report is interesting [05:04] it takes an average of 20 comments/updates for each new package uploaded [05:05] unless people aren't emailing -motu when they upload (which is certainly possible [05:05] ) === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:05] s/20/40/ [05:05] that's quite a few rounds that a package has to fight through to get in [05:05] yeah [05:06] for the first revu sprint it to 12/ new package [05:07] *took [05:07] something seems wrong there [05:08] Yeah. :-) [05:11] well, shoot, what am I going to do [05:12] how can I tell what NEW packages have been uploaded [05:13] LaserJock: look in the archive? [05:14] but how do I know if it's NEW or not? [05:21] madison - source accepted, but no binary? [05:21] but that would only work for stuff that hasn't been processed [05:22] I need to find out what package have been added to Universe since date X [05:23] LaserJock: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/feisty/+queue this one? [05:24] well, that has yet to be proccessed ones [05:24] I need to get historical === Marce_ [i=marce@meinungsverstaerker.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:24] LaserJock: change NEW to something else? [05:24] LaserJock: you got a listbox at the top === Marce_ is now known as Marce [05:25] Nafallo: Done give me 43297 results [05:26] LaserJock: nice ;-) [05:26] I'll go to bed now :-) [05:26] see you there [05:26] Night, Nafallo./ [05:31] back :-) [05:31] Does anyone know of a tutorial for setting up an LDAP server on Ubuntu? [05:31] somerville32: help.ubuntu.com/community should have something [05:34] Oh goodie!! [05:34] There is :) [05:35] help.ubuntu.com quickly becomes better than gentoo docs :-) [05:36] and that is not a small achievement === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-74.ip.rixbredband.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nafallo reads up on the bzr smartserver [05:38] I will probably start to host my branches on my server, that is bound to launchpad, and then have the workingtrees as checkouts from there :-) === twanj_ [n=chatzill@c-66-176-118-121.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === twanj_ is now known as twanj [05:40] Nafallo: Why not use the supermirror? [05:41] I'll use that aswell, as I said :-) [05:41] If they're hosted on your server, they're not hosted on the supermirror. [05:42] my current setup have been mkdir ~/devel/$package/; bzr init-repo bzr; cd bzr; bzr co sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/...; cd ..; bzr co --lightweight bzr/ubuntu [05:43] and then bind bzr/ubuntu to the supermirror [05:43] I think I will move the repos to my server as ~/bzr/$package instead [05:44] I can still bind them to the supermirror :-) [05:45] True. === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:47] http://bazaar-vcs.org/SmartServer [05:47] use case 5 is me in a nutcase [05:48] hehe [05:48] s/nutcase/nutshell/ [05:49] or maybe not ;-) [05:49] that to :-) [05:55] seems the supermirror doesn't run the smartserver yet [05:55] exactly :( [05:56] and 6.10 seems to have only bzr 0.11... :-/ [05:57] that's why I added the bzr repo [05:59] oh? === daya [n=daya@202.79.37.177] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:11] Nafallo: bazaar-vcs.org has a bzr repo [06:11]