[12:28] <nalioth> yipe:  +z only works when the channel is +m
[12:28] <Tm_T> Morning Hobbsee
[12:28] <yipe> oh... then.... why bother with it at all?
[12:28] <Hobbsee> nalioth: there was a flood
[12:29] <Hobbsee> nalioth: no one who was there had ops
[12:29] <Hobbsee> in #ubuntu-bugs
[12:29] <Hobbsee> nalioth: yeah,  we got sorted when the guy stopped flooding.
[12:29] <Hobbsee> yipe: so we dont have ot set it when we set +m
[12:29] <nalioth> Hobbsee: flop it on to the meetin agenda
[12:29] <nalioth> "add more ops"
[12:30] <Hobbsee> nalioth: i bugged Seveas last nigth - dont know if he did anything about it
[12:30] <nalioth> Hobbsee: "add to agenda"
[12:33] <Hobbsee> hey thoreauputic!
[12:33] <thoreauputic> Hi :)
[12:34] <thoreauputic> I'm an infrequent visitor these days :)
[12:35] <nalioth> thoreauputic: hi and welcome to #ubuntu-ops.  Izzer somthin we can help you with?
[12:36] <thoreauputic> nalioth: hah - no i fear I'm betond help ;)
[12:36] <LjL> effie_jayx: need an exempt?
[12:36] <thoreauputic> umm... *beyond
[12:36] <thoreauputic> QED
[12:37] <Mez> ^lart 40 Hobbsee
[12:37] <Mez> @lart 40 Hobbsee
[12:37] <Mez> @lart 37 Hobbsee
[12:37] <Hobbsee> heh!
[12:37] <nalioth> who added that one? we ARE getting cruel
[12:37] <Hobbsee> @lart 28 Mez
[12:37] <Mez> nalioth, they're channel specific
[12:39] <Mez> @lart remove 37
[12:39] <Mez> @lart 37 Hobbsee
[12:39] <Mez> -Ubugtu- Error: You don't have the #,op capabilit
[12:39] <Mez> .I can add but not remove
[12:39] <effie_jayx> LjL no thanks I'0m not on ubuntu... :D
[01:02] <Amaranth> Mez: they have random real names and such, no?
[01:03] <Mez> Amaranth, probably, but they may not reset them straight away
[01:03] <nalioth> Mez: disregard PM. content covered.
[01:03] <Mez> nalioth, lol
[01:05] <LjL> jeez, this time i should not have unset +R so soon
[01:05] <LjL> everytime i set it there's some random apo*ryphos yelling at me about it :P
[01:06] <Mez> ?
[01:06] <LjL> j/k... i just did /mode -R way too early
[01:08] <LjL> [01:07:15]  *** BetaCookies is now known as [] [] [Clint] [] [] .
[01:08] <LjL> [] [] [Clint] [] []  is n=Clint@69.216.109.178 (Clint)
[01:08] <LjL> i know this one, do i not?
[01:10] <thoreauputic> watch that one - he is changing nick too often for my taste...
 sorry LjL i'm evading bans XD
[01:11] <LjL> i just gave him !nickspam
[01:11] <LjL> yeah, that's what he replied
[01:11] <LjL> now i asked whether it was on #ubuntu
[01:11] <LjL> but i guess my +o will give me away ;)
[01:26] <LjL> !debian is <sed> /$/ - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!/
[01:26] <ubotu> You are editing an alias. Please repeat the edit command within the next 10 seconds to confirm
[01:26] <LjL> !debian is <sed> /$/ - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!/
[01:26] <ubotu> Factoid 'relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!' does not exist
[01:26] <LjL> funny
[01:27] <LjL> !relationship is <sed> /$/ - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!/
[01:27] <ubotu> I'll remember that LjL
[01:28] <LjL> Seveas: do you call that thing above a bug?
[01:30] <thoreauputic> LjL: interesting definition of "relationship" ;-)
[01:30] <Mez> !debian
[01:30] <ubotu> Ubuntu and Debian are closely related. Ubuntu builds on the foundations of Debian architecture and infrastructure, with a different community and release process. See http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/relationship - Remember, !repositories meant for Debian should NOT be used on Ubuntu!
[01:31] <Mez> !-debian
[01:31] <ubotu> debian is <alias> relationship - added by apokryphos on 2006-06-18 00:14:55
[01:33] <LjL> thoreauputic: heh :P well honestly i really didn't quite know where to put that reminder
[01:33] <LjL> but it should be somewhere... to many system broken by people who don't think and add a ton of debian repos to sources.list, and end up with libc6 version 192.3
[01:37] <thoreauputic> LjL: agreed :)
[01:53] <maxamillion> PriceChild: ping
[01:54] <PriceChild> pong maxamillion
[01:56] <somerville32> nalioth, ping
[01:56] <nalioth> somerville32: pong
[01:57] <PriceChild> Felt left out? :)
[01:57] <LjL> yeah :P
[01:57] <somerville32> nalioth: Would it be possible for me to get the 20 channel limit removed? I asked Phil but he never got back to me.
[01:57] <nalioth> o
[01:57] <nalioth> i'll get back with you as i need to run atm
[01:58] <nalioth> bbl
[01:58] <somerville32> Ok
[01:59] <Mez> somerville32, ask SportChick
[02:00] <somerville32> SportChick, :)
[02:00] <Mez> why is it half the freenode staff always seem to be in here
[02:00] <Mez> or jenda
[02:00] <somerville32> Because we're cool? :)
[02:00] <SportChick> ?
[02:01] <Mez> but SportChick is "on duty"
[02:01] <Mez> SportChick, somerville32 wants a +e
[02:01] <somerville32> Please :)
[02:01] <Hobbsee> Mez: because they like us
[02:01] <SportChick> I think you mean +u
[02:01] <Mez> SportChick, maybe
[02:01] <SportChick> somerville32: why do you need it?
[02:02] <Hobbsee> SportChick: he's joining too many channels again
[02:02] <Mez> Hobbsee, i dont know ... why would they. . but we have hald the staff ;)
[02:02] <somerville32> hehe
[02:02] <Mez> Hobbsee, no, it's so he can annoy debian ;)
[02:02] <Hobbsee> Mez: heh
[02:03] <pleia2> Mez: aren't the official debian channels on oftc?
[02:03] <Mez> pleia2, yes :P but there are channels here too
[02:04] <somerville32> SportChick: I'm involved with numerous open source projects (including Ubuntu) and I can't join all the channels I'd like to.
[02:05] <somerville32> The correlation between my involvement in different open source projects and the inability to join the channel I'd like to is that most of them a channel (or channels) here on FreeNode :)
[02:05] <SportChick> somerville32: if you think you have a legitimate reason, then send an email to staff@freenode.net with your request & rationale
[02:06] <somerville32> SportChick, Ok
[02:07] <Mez> lmao ... see with me - I ddidnt even request it ;) I just got given mine ;)
[02:08] <somerville32> : (
[02:08] <Mez> I think it was cause at the time I was chatting about how I was having to prioritse which channels I went in so that I knew which ones to part when I had to join another
[02:08] <Mez> and that I was using 2 clients ;)
[02:09] <Mez> but meh
[02:09] <Mez> I'm off to bed
[02:09] <Mez> night all
[02:18] <LjL> yikes i know that joining -es would mean i'd start giving support there too. and it's hard when you don't know the language at all... :P
[02:18] <LjL> s/know/knew/
[02:27] <somerville32> Woots :)
[03:54] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, kitche said: !feisty|neighborlee_ #ubuntu+1 is for feisty
[03:55] <kitche> yeah just ignore the edit request for some reason ubotu thought it was an edit request
[03:55] <PriceChild> kitche, because of the ! before it :)
[03:58] <kitche> nevermind found out hwta I did now lol
[04:04] <nixternal> what is up with Freenode tonight?
[04:05] <nixternal> I keep lagging up to 60s every 5 or so minutes
[04:10] <imac_dude> hi
[04:10] <imac_dude> i think someone is sending out spam and getting nicknames from #ubuntu
[04:11] <imac_dude> * [derrivative]  (n=capitale@pc-77-132-120-200.cm.vtr.net)
[04:11] <imac_dude> sent out something about paypal debit accounts and making $40 a day
[04:13] <Hobbsee> that probably wont help, but it might stop him getting to the user list
[04:13] <Hobbsee> SportChick: ping?
[04:14] <imac_dude> either #ubuntu, #ubuntu-offtopic or #xubuntu
[04:14] <imac_dude> coz those were the channels i was on
[04:14] <SportChick> Hobbsee: pong but it'll be a min, i'm tied up
[04:15] <Hobbsee> someone else mentioend it in #ubuntu
[04:15] <imac_dude> oops
[04:15] <SportChick> Hobbsee: the paypal guy was klined..is he back?
[04:15] <imac_dude> anyway, i should probably leave now ;) i'll be in -offtopic
[04:15] <Hobbsee> SportChick: derrivative
[04:15] <Hobbsee> [14:15]  [Whois]  derrivative is n=capitale@pc-77-132-120-200.cm.vtr.net (-)
[04:22] <somerville32> paypal guy? tsmithe?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> somerville32: no
[04:30] <SportChick> Hobbsee: sorry for the delay - i think he's gone now?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> SportChick: seems so
[04:45] <linux_kid> con-man in #ubuntu
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> lonely night eh?
[08:34] <maxamillion> just a tad
[08:34] <maxamillion> i'm studying for an exam in my compiler theory class
[08:35] <maxamillion> well ... about to start studying, the exam isn't until friday but i need to get my grades in order so i can make it into a good graduate school
[08:49] <maxamillion> mneptok: i know that dance all too well
[10:54] <mneptok> elkbuntu: got 5?
[10:55] <elkbuntu> it is possible
[11:48] <tonyyarusso> Mez: that was the most confusing change e-mail ever...
[11:50] <Mez> tonyyarusso, LMAO
[11:51] <elkbuntu> i dont get it..
[11:53] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: There were like six different things that had to be tweaked on a bug report, so the e-mail LP sent me was very messy and odd-looking.
[11:53] <elkbuntu> heh
[11:58] <Mez> elkbuntu, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-backports/2007-February/003660.html
[12:09] <mneptok> !stfu
[12:09] <ubotu> Words like noob, jfgi, stfu or rtfm are not welcome in this channel. Period.
[12:10] <mneptok> bite me, you pompous, pernicious pile of Python.
[12:10] <elkbuntu> rofl
[12:21] <tonyyarusso> Does Canonical have a listing of staff/department contacts somewhere public?
[12:22] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: what do you need?
[12:22] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: Wondering who would be a sensible contact to ask my education/background/employment opportunities/life direction questions of.  So far I know how to reach you, sfflaw, MagicFab, Mark, and Jono.
[12:23] <tonyyarusso> I think I might ask Jono some stuff, b/c his job sounds cool, but I don't know if he'll have the time to respond (these people are all so busy!)
[12:23] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: yeah, everyone works 12+ hour days.
[12:24] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: there are probably 7534896215983421689 people on the planet that want to ask Mark "what do i have to do to work for you?"
[12:24] <mneptok> answering such questions is an inevitable tar pit and time suck
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: hehe, yeah.  Although, he _did_ personally respond to an e-mail once before, and has to a number of things on MLs I follow - I'm impressed.
[12:25] <elkbuntu> mneptok, no, i believe it is 7534896215983421690
[12:25] <mneptok> do what you love. the rest will follow.
[12:25] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: That's why I'm wondering who the more appropriate contact would be.
[12:25] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: yeah, *****************everyone****************** works 12+ hour days.
[12:25] <mneptok> ;)
[12:26] <mneptok> someone might be able to make time for you, but that's what they would be doing. taking time from something else.
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> well, maybe I'll just try what I know and cross my fingers then, or hope they forward it to someone who would be good
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> I know
[12:26] <mneptok> do what you love. the rest will follow. ;)
[12:26] <tonyyarusso> I'm not really expecting a reply, just hoping someone _might_ find a moment
[12:27] <mneptok> i have a Bachelor's in Mediaeval Studies.
[12:27] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, why not ask sounder as you contemplated earlier?
[12:27] <tonyyarusso> lol
[12:27] <tonyyarusso> Medieval Studies?
[12:27] <mneptok> Mediaeval Studies.
[12:27] <elkbuntu> that sounds cool, tbh. useless, but cool
[12:27] <Jucato> wow.. medieval studies...
[12:28] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: I think I will.  I'm trying to think of the widest base I can ask, and if I do manage to get a reply from anyone at Canonical, it will be more intelligent than sounder can be at times.  Sounder might work, but might not, if you know what I mean.
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, wouldnt asking #u-education be a proper place for asking about education?
[12:28] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: That exists?
[12:28] <mneptok> Kamping_Kaiser: he wants to know about his education, not Edubuntu
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> #ubuntu-education, yes
[12:28] <tonyyarusso> cool
[12:28] <elkbuntu> mneptok, i half-finished two courses in environmental science and environmental management in that order
[12:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> mneptok, yes, i saw. hence the sugestion over #edubuntu
[12:29] <tonyyarusso> Kamping_Kaiser: Not tonight, but thanks for the tip.  Maybe I'll try to hit it when it's, you know, day.
[12:29] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: IMO, it's a *really* bad idea to make decisions about education based on some job you think you want.
[12:29] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: It's not really about a job - it's about a class of job / industry.
[12:29] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: study what interests you.
[12:30] <tonyyarusso> I don't really know what interests me is the thing, or at least how to study it.
[12:30] <mneptok> then don't waste money on college
[12:30] <mneptok> seriously.
[12:30] <mneptok> if you don't have some real interest pulling you, don't waste the cash.
[12:30] <tonyyarusso> Well, not having any degree at all sounds to me like not being able to buy groceries later.
[12:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi Hobbsee
[12:31] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: there was a 10 year gap between high school and Uni for me
[12:31] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, or, do general 'bonus points' courses... ie, counselling, business management, OH&S etc
[12:31] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: waiting or delaying != cancelling ;)
[12:32] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: and at 30, college is *so fscking easy*
[12:32] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: OH&S?
[12:32] <Hobbsee> hey Kamping_Kaiser
[12:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[12:32] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: I suppose.
[12:32] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, Occupational Health & Safety
[12:32] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: i can tell you what worked for me some time
[12:32] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: ah
[12:32] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: sure.  here or e-mail anytime
[12:33] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, how old are you? im sure you've said at some point, but i've forgotten
[12:33] <mneptok> i really enjoyed college, it cost me almost nothing, and i graduated cum laude. all because i waited.
[12:33] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: 20.
[12:33] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: In second year of uni atm
[12:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, hes yonger then me :(
[12:34] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, studying what? BA?
[12:34] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Currently in a dual-university/dual-degree program for a B.Sc. in Physics and a B.Ed. (secondary)
[12:34] <mneptok> elkbuntu: Gynecology. but it's outside of his curricular work.
[12:34] <tonyyarusso> eww
[12:35] <Kamping_Kaiser> >.<
[12:35] <elkbuntu> mneptok, rofl
[12:35] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, he's suggesting you get laid...
[12:35] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: Yeah, no thanks.
[12:35] <tonyyarusso> Not for a while yet.
[12:35] <mneptok> what idiot woman would sit still as that doctor approached?
[12:36] <elkbuntu> mneptok, am i allowed to mention your girlfriend here?
[12:36] <mneptok> elkbuntu: if you weren't, it's too late now .... ;)
[12:36] <elkbuntu> mneptok, my ribs and jaw now hurt.. sorry :
[12:36] <tonyyarusso> I know her nick, but she never talks
[12:36] <mneptok> (and no, i don't give a rat's ass) :)
[12:37] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: she's more active on GIMPnet
[12:37] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: ah
[12:38] <elkbuntu> for good reason
[12:38] <mneptok> now called Kstick
[12:39] <Hobbsee> KDoomStick, thanksverymuch!
[12:39] <elkbuntu> mneptok, correction, kLong kPointy kSticK
[12:39] <tonyyarusso> lol
[12:39] <elkbuntu> rofl
[12:40] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: what did you do between hs and uni?
[12:41] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: blew guys at a bus station for cigarettes and bourbon.
[12:41] <mneptok> wait. was that out loud?
[12:41] <mneptok> *facepalm*
[12:41] <elkbuntu> rofl
[12:41] <tonyyarusso> we'll pretend it wasn't
[12:42] <elkbuntu> mneptok, and Pie Floaters
[12:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> ahahahah
[12:42] <Hobbsee> two words:  "oh dear."
[12:42] <elkbuntu> mneptok, im not sure either Kamping_Kaiser or Hobbsee have heard the story yet
[12:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> mneptok, + story = scarring?
[12:43] <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, this one is sane, dont worry
[12:43] <Hobbsee> likely
[12:46] <elkbuntu> can we pweeeeeeeeeeze have a bedtime story uncle mneptok?
[12:49] <tonyyarusso> lol
[12:50] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: I actually described you just the other day to someone as like the weird uncle of Ubuntu IRC.
[12:51] <mneptok> lol
[12:51] <elkbuntu> he's not responding ...
[12:51] <elkbuntu> here he is.. story time story time story time
[12:51] <mneptok> sorry, just let fabbione into the office and was visiting
[12:52] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: http://64.26.155.12/static/resume/
[12:52] <mneptok> (name services appear borked ATM)
[12:52] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: thanks
[12:52] <mneptok> lemme find that quote of mine from the private Canonical channel ....
[12:54] <mneptok> WRT Mark's posting inviting SuSE devs to hop the fence:
 that's why Canonical should have me make such announcements. if the reaction is bad, everyone always act like i'm the crazy uncle that shows up in the front yard without pants, cursing at invisible Luftwaffe fighters. "Sorry he got out again. We'll put him back, and let us know about any damages."
[12:54] <Hobbsee> haha
[12:54] <tonyyarusso> sounds about right
[12:54] <elkbuntu> rofl
[12:54] <elkbuntu> now, the pie floater story!
[12:55] <mneptok> so ....
[12:55] <mneptok> one night at UDS we were forced to share a lounge area with some drunk sales types that were annoying *before* the liquor hit.
[12:56] <mneptok> now, the best way to fight a forest fire is with controlled burns. fire with fire.
[12:56] <mneptok> they're being annoying? cue mneptok ....
[12:57] <mneptok> i proceeded to be as annoying as i could, without being so much so that the tactic was obvious. and the strategy was, "convince tho Aussie guys that a pie floater exists, even though they have not heard of it."
[12:58] <elkbuntu> they were melbournians, right?
[12:58] <mneptok> elkbuntu and i spent 10 minutes discussing pie floaters with the drunks, at which point they cut their losses and went to bed.
[12:58] <mneptok> elkbuntu: Sydney, IIRC
[12:59] <elkbuntu> mneptok, ah. either way, i lied and said i was from Adelaide
[12:59] <mneptok> but not Q-land.
[01:00] <elkbuntu> but it was funny... we annoyed them until they left :D
[01:00] <mneptok> elkbuntu: i remember creating a mental horse race to see which guy would stop looking at your boobs first.
[01:00] <elkbuntu> rofl
[01:00] <mneptok> "there can be no winner in a race like this."
[01:00] <elkbuntu> mneptok, lol
[01:00] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:00] <Hobbsee> mneptok: did any of htem?
[01:00] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, when they left the room
[01:01] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: good point.
[01:01] <mneptok> and only then because homo sapiens sapiens do not have eye stalks
[01:01] <elkbuntu> mneptok, hehe yeah
[01:01] <mneptok> but if they had had a *leetle* snail DNA ....
[01:02] <elkbuntu> they were a bit slimy, for sure
[01:02] <mneptok> IMO that's being kind
[01:02] <tonyyarusso> was it b/c they were that drunk and stupid, or is elkbuntu surprisingly good-looking, or both?  :P
[01:03] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, im not small in that region, and the clothes sort of accentuated
[01:03] <mneptok> tonyyarusso: is there a way to answer that question that allows me to keep both testicles?
[01:03] <Hobbsee> hah
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: That sounds like a bad wardrobe choice for a conference
[01:03] <tonyyarusso> mneptok: not likely
[01:03] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, it was after hours
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> That's why she answered
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: right
[01:04] <tonyyarusso> Well, as long as you had mneptok along to creep them out, you're safe
[01:04] <jenda> trademark violation! http://www.su.cvut.cz/
[01:04] <mneptok> i mean, i either say, "they were drunk" and elkbuntu gets offended and hits me. or i say, "she's totally hot!" and force her to move 6 times in 6 months with no forwarding adidress.
[01:04] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, it *was* a geek conference
[01:04] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: fact of the matter is, it seems that any vaguely tight female clothing gets women into trouble.
[01:04] <elkbuntu> rpf;
[01:04] <elkbuntu> rofl*
[01:05] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: "work shirt" == something you wear to work, workout shirt, other?
[01:05] <Mez> Hobbsee, got pics ?:P
[01:06] <mneptok> (BTW, elkbuntu is totally hot, and when i convince the Aussie authorities that my convictions for stalking are all a big misunderstanding .... )
[01:06] <Hobbsee> tonyyarusso: the first
[01:06] <elkbuntu> rofl
[01:06] <Hobbsee> Mez: actually, there are pictures from me meeting with elkbuntu and Kamping_Kaiser
[01:06] <Mez> Hobbsee, work in hooters ? :P
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> Hobbsee: gotcha
[01:06] <Mez> Hobbsee, in the work shirt ?
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> gaaaaah
[01:06] <tonyyarusso> I'm getting kernel spam all over the place
[01:07] <mneptok> Hobbsee: is this "work shirt" from your other job as a pole dancer?
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> and forget the command to supress it
[01:07] <Hobbsee> mneptok: no.
[01:07] <mneptok> :(
[01:07] <mneptok> Hobbsee: the day is young
[01:07] <tonyyarusso> wait - I wrote it down in a bug report once!  /me hits LP
[01:07] <jenda> What supermarket is this that they have pole dancers?
[01:07] <Mez> jenda: I dont know - but I wanna go to them
[01:08] <Mez> Hobbsee, you should take up pole dancing, it's great exercise
[01:08] <Hobbsee> jenda: clearly one that you want to go to
[01:09] <Hobbsee> http://wedontsleep.org/~sarah/pics/
[01:09] <Hobbsee> for all you crazy people
[01:09] <tonyyarusso> That sounds like it should be my URL
[01:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> which one's who?
[01:10] <mneptok> jebus. the first pic i select has the Sydney harbor bridge.
[01:11] <mneptok> it's like a fscking .au cmmercial :)
[01:11] <elkbuntu> lol
[01:11] <Mez> mneptok, was that "bridge.jpg" ?
[01:11] <apokryphos> I want a linux t-shirt, argh
[01:11] <apokryphos> and a kde one 8)
[01:11] <Mez> apokryphos, coming to LRL ?
[01:11] <tonyyarusso> wait, I can figure it out from the others
[01:11] <Hobbsee> mneptok: well, we were in circ quay...
[01:12] <apokryphos> Mez: what's that?
[01:12] <Mez> http://www.lugradio.org/live/2007/
[01:12] <apokryphos> never listen to lugradio
[01:13] <apokryphos> are you taking part in it?
[01:14] <apokryphos> nice; throwing katapults out? ;-)
[01:14] <tonyyarusso> Hi Seveas
[01:14] <Mez> apokryphos, I'll be pimping it as usual, yes
[01:14] <elkbuntu> why the hell does the UK have to be so far from .au :(
[01:14] <Hobbsee> Mez: yay :)
[01:14] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: btw, you have a 403 forbidden on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/Lart.flat.db and and internal server error on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:14] <Hobbsee> elkbuntu: because we need to move countries
[01:15] <apokryphos> Europe's the place to be.
[01:15] <elkbuntu> Hobbsee, i know
[01:15] <apokryphos> it's fun, it's hip, it's cool
[01:15] <elkbuntu> it doesnt have john howard
[01:15] <Hobbsee> someone offer me a job there then :P
[01:15] <elkbuntu> ditto
[01:15] <Hobbsee> yeah, true that.  damned work choices
[01:15] <apokryphos> and FOSDEM :D
[01:15] <apokryphos> this year they've got http://fosdem.org/2007/schedule/speakers/mark+reinhold speaking :O
[01:15] <tonyyarusso> I'd love to got to Sweden and/or Finland some day
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> bleh.  I put a CD in my laptop and now it won't play it nor give it back.
[01:16] <apokryphos> someone managing something as crazy large as JDK will be interesting to see
[01:16] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, both known
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: 'k.  :)
[01:17] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, I'm hacking on factoids.cgi and whacking supybot to not reset the permissions on the lart db EVERY FUCKING TIME I EDIT A LART
[01:17] <elkbuntu> !ohmy | Seveas
[01:17] <ubotu> Seveas: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[01:17] <jenda> !language
[01:18] <Mez> "go to hell"
[01:18] <Seveas> yes
[01:18] <Seveas> :)
[01:18] <Seveas> @lart elkbuntu
[01:18] <elkbuntu> rofl
[01:18] <Seveas> @lart elkbuntu again
[01:18] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: Ohp.  Happy to wait :)  Having a working bot is more important than being able to get the Lart db - consider it a "priority - low" wishlist :)
[01:18] <Seveas> @lart elkbuntu once more
[01:18] <elkbuntu> why didnt jenda go to hell as well?
[01:18] <jenda> shh!
[01:18] <elkbuntu> i love you too, Seveas :)
[01:18] <Hobbsee> @lart Seveas
[01:18] <Seveas> elkbuntu, he lives in .cz - close to hell
[01:19] <mneptok> Seveas: .cz is nowhere near my pants
[01:19] <jenda> @lart Dennis
[01:19] <Seveas> mneptok, your pant's aren't hell - they're merely beelzebubs weekend hangout
[01:19] <Seveas> yeah, that was fun :)
[01:19] <apokryphos> haha
[01:20] <apokryphos> chanserv.py's one weakness ;-)
[01:20] <Seveas> apokryphos, I'm already fixing it
[01:20] <Hobbsee> haha
[01:21] <jenda> I'll be going close to hell soon too - it's called India.
[01:21] <apokryphos> must discover new things in LEVEL then 8)
[01:21] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: Say, I've been wondering about some educational issues, and I know you're doing the Ubuntu cert stuff - would you be able to tell me anything about what edu background is necessary for that?  I prefer using software than writing it (ie, not coding much, so most comp sci programs don't look appealing, wondering what else there is)
[01:21] <jenda> I'll be giving the mosquitos a month to eat me.
[01:22] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, it's sysadmin, not compsci
[01:22] <apokryphos> what sysadmin degrees are there, though?
[01:22] <Seveas> LPI mostly
[01:23] <apokryphos> in the UK guys get thrown into comp sci first
[01:23] <Seveas> ubuntu certification is LPI level 1 (so exams 101 and 102) and an Ubuntu exam (exam 199)
[01:23] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: Are there university degrees that are similar to LPI stuff?
[01:23] <tonyyarusso> Or do you do something else, then the LPI course?
[01:23] <Seveas> LPI course is included with the ubuntu course
[01:24] <tonyyarusso> right
[01:24] <tonyyarusso> but is there anything formal schooling wise along those lines?  Trying to figure out what you could do prior to those courses, if anything would be relevant.
[01:25] <Seveas> just do some sysadminning with ubuntu for at least 6 months
[01:25] <tonyyarusso> hmm, okay
[01:25] <tonyyarusso> I do a bit of that anyway, just by using it myself.  Not very in-depth, but hey.
[01:25] <Seveas> real sysadmin stuff, not just maintaining a local machine
[01:26] <tonyyarusso> Such as?  Don't have access to a lot to work with.  Two machines here - one laptop and one desktop that's being used as a LAMP/ftp server.
[01:26] <apokryphos> how are you going to get to do sysadmin stuff exactly without anything, though?
[01:26] <apokryphos> surely people are only going to really take you on if you have experience in the field
[01:27] <Seveas> the target for this course is basically someone with some sysadmin experience on other operating systems
[01:27] <Seveas> target audience i should say
[01:27] <Seveas> the list of LPI and Ubuntu objectives for the course can be found online
[01:28] <apokryphos> are there people there who haven't done comp sci?
[01:28] <Seveas> yeah
[01:28] <apokryphos> how did they get their sysadmin experience?
[01:28] <Seveas> everyone but me hasn't done CS
[01:28] <popey> http://www.ubuntu.com/partners/certification/pro
[01:28] <apokryphos> wow
[01:29] <Seveas> and I'm not target audience, but way above :)
[01:29] <elkbuntu> aka the nitpicker
[01:29] <Seveas> yes, very much
[01:29] <Seveas> jenda, poke
[01:31] <jenda> *poked*
[01:31] <Seveas> unpoke
[01:31] <Seveas> just solved :)
[01:31] <jenda> damn you!
[01:31] <jenda> 
[01:32] <elkbuntu> Seveas, so would someone as n00b as me be capable of LPI?
[01:32] <Seveas> you'd need some course material (there are half-decent LPI books at oreilly)
[01:32] <Seveas> the course we're doing now will be too expensive for most of us
[01:32] <popey> I wouldn't say you're noob elkbuntu
[01:33] <mneptok> apokryphos: speuaking from experience, i would *always* hire a sysadmin with experience rather than education.
[01:33] <Seveas> mneptok, ++
[01:33] <elkbuntu> popey, i would :
[01:33] <apokryphos> mneptok: where do they get their experience?
[01:33] <elkbuntu> but thanks for the compliment :)
[01:33] <Seveas> apokryphos, fiddling with their own servers
[01:33] <Seveas> (in my case that is)
[01:33] <elkbuntu> apokryphos, volunteer sysadminning
[01:33] <Seveas> mneptok is a lousy sysadmin though
[01:33] <Seveas> so I wouldn't hire him anyway
[01:34] <elkbuntu> lol
[01:34] <mneptok> apokryphos: do you know how to breathe? ever take a Uni course on breathing? ;)
[01:34] <Seveas> jenda, poke again :)
[01:34] <apokryphos> I thought it was mentioned that local machine testing didn't really cut it
[01:34] <Seveas> apokryphos, I said servers, not local machine
[01:34] <mneptok> Seveas: dude. i'm an awesome sysadmin. i can even use regedit!
[01:34] <mneptok> MCSE
[01:35] <Seveas> mneptok, but do you know ldapvi?
[01:35] <apokryphos> Seveas: my local machine is a server 8)
[01:35] <mneptok> Must Consult Sameone Experienced.
[01:35] <mneptok> *Someone
[01:35] <Seveas> mneptok, LOL
[01:35] <mneptok> ;)
[01:35] <jenda> *poked*
[01:36] <Seveas> jenda, PM
[01:36] <apokryphos> I'd like to do sysadmin stuff for the sole purpose of getting people onto Linux. Now, once I combine that with Philosophy, profit++
[01:37] <tonyyarusso> What's the offtopic policy for the ubuntu-irc ML?  You guys are a really awesome group for some of the questions I have, but it wouldn't really be within its purpose.
[01:37] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, zero-tolerance if I'm in charge :)
[01:37] <tonyyarusso> Seveas: Dang.  All right.  :P
[01:38] <tonyyarusso> was worth a shot
[01:38] <tonyyarusso> brb - making breakfast
[01:39] <popey> :)
[01:40] <Hobbsee> jenda: heh
[01:40] <Mez> then he realised he was wearing sunglasses
[01:40] <apokryphos> eyes weren't open?
[01:40] <Seveas> lol!
[01:40] <apokryphos> ah, that one
[01:41] <popey> heh
[01:41] <Mez> It's cause their transition lenses
[01:41] <Mez> so they're normally clear
[01:41] <jenda> :)
[01:41] <Mez> but because i went ti the shops and it's the first sunny day in about 8 months
[01:41] <Mez> it surprised me
[01:41] <Hobbsee> Mez: ahhh, i like them.  clipons are better thouhg.
[01:41] <Hobbsee> for the precise reason you mention
[01:42] <Mez> Hobbsee, lol - but- meh i need them
[01:42] <Mez> light sensitive migraines
[01:42] <Hobbsee> ooh, ouch.
[01:42] <Hobbsee> they wouldnt help you as you just go outside though...
[01:44] <Mez> Hobbsee, *shrugs*
[01:44] <Mez> better than nothing
[01:44] <Hobbsee> true that
[01:47] <Mez> Hobbsee, plus they block cxertain types of light out anyways
[01:48] <Mez> which is why you're not allowed to wear them while driving (oir at least they reccomend you dont)
[01:49] <Hobbsee> Mez: oh really?  interesting.
[01:51] <Mez> indeed] tis why the opticians ask if you dirve when you go to them
[01:57] <elkbuntu> whelp... im off to bed
[01:57] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: what tz are you btw?  I can never quite tell.
[01:57] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, .au
[01:57] <elkbuntu> sydney time
[01:58] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: That's UTC+what though?
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> +10.30 atm (?)
[01:58] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, +10 for sydney
[01:58] <tonyyarusso> ah
[01:58] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, gworldclock is useful ;)
[01:58] <tonyyarusso> :)
[01:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i must only be +9.30 atm then
[01:58] <elkbuntu> meanwhile, work for the dole sucks.. dont know how they expect people to have time to find work while doing it when they dont give time exemptions for attending networking things like conferences :(
[02:00] <Mez> /ctcp elkbuntu time
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, gnight then :(
[02:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> and yeh, wftd sucks
[02:01] <tonyyarusso> work for the dole?
[02:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, er, just a mo.
[02:01] <tonyyarusso> I'm assuming not the political campaign of the '90s?
[02:01] <elkbuntu> hmm?
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, yes, your signing worked ;)
[02:02] <Kamping_Kaiser> * :)
[02:02] <elkbuntu> yay!
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> tonyyarusso, its aka is 'mutual obligation', but basicly means 'teh govt fks you hard'
[02:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, :)
[02:03] <elkbuntu> tonyyarusso, it's where you do a prescribed amount of volunteer work while actively seeking work while on welfare
[02:03] <elkbuntu> but i took a week off for UDS and a week off for LCA, and the agency mismanaged and i lost a couple of weeks elsewhere
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> its hardly volunteer
[02:04] <tonyyarusso> elkbuntu: ah
[02:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> seeing the amount of breeching that goes on
[02:07] <scribz> hi there, i tried to join ubuntu, but apparently i'm banned. as far as i know i've not been in there before so how come i'm banned ?
[02:08] <Mez> scribz, your hostmask is banned
[02:08] <Mez> lemme just find logs
[02:09] <tonyyarusso> the ban is a month and a half old, by my calculation
[02:09] <tonyyarusso> (ubugtu's, actually)
[02:09] <Mez> indeed
[02:09] <Mez> I'll remove it now
[02:10] <scribz> thanks Mez
[02:10] <Mez> done
[02:11] <Mez> chanserv.py is useful, you dont have t work out which mask fits which person
[02:11] <Mez> just /cs unban scribz
[02:11] <Mez> ;)
[02:11] <tonyyarusso> I've been meaning to attempt to port that function to perl for irssi
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> Mez, does it set an exeption, or remove the ban?
[02:12] <tonyyarusso> my current script is great for setting bans, but doesn't remove them
[02:12] <Mez> Kamping_Kaiser, remove the ban
[02:12] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok
[02:12] <Mez> tonyyarusso, /msg chanserv unban nick
[02:13] <tonyyarusso> Mez: just needs an /au then or something
[02:14] <tonyyarusso> I have the chanserv.py source - just need to look at it when I have time
[02:31] <Mez> lmfao
[02:31] <Mez> http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=416
[02:32] <LjL> people are complaining by mail that apt.byethost14.com doesn't work... i didn't think people were actually *using* that. stupid free providers :\
[02:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/
[03:17] <jenda> ?
[03:18] <tonyyarusso> oh dear
[03:18] <jenda> it can mean, confused, or it can mean "sniffin'"
[03:18] <effie_jayx> jenda: ???
[03:18] <LjL> :-?
[03:18] <effie_jayx> you called?=
[03:18] <LjL> that's what i use...
[03:19] <effie_jayx> geee...
[03:19] <jenda> effie_jayx: you mentioned my name in -es a while back.
[03:19] <tonyyarusso> *v*
[03:19] <jenda> _
[03:19] <effie_jayx> jenda: I was reminding them of your proposal
[03:19] <jenda> ok :)
[03:19] <effie_jayx> they are discussin the ubuntu-es issue
[03:20] <effie_jayx> they are still stuck on the fact that es is all spanish speakers... :S
[03:20] <LjL> distinguish channels from teams... please...
[03:20] <effie_jayx> LjL: #ubuntu-es
[03:21] <LjL> effie_jayx: i know - i'm saying channel names shouldn't necessarily be the same as team names
[03:21] <LjL> they're different issues
[03:21] <LjL> channels are mainly to give ubuntu users *support*
[03:21] <effie_jayx> they claim they have been there long before the current LoCo structure was stablished...
[03:21] <LjL> and they should not care about the internal politics
[03:22] <effie_jayx> LjL: true... but the issue does not lie on the name...
[03:22] <effie_jayx> LjL: it got diverted to that
[03:22] <LjL> yes - and wrongly so
[03:22] <LjL> hence my plead to keep issues separate
[03:23] <effie_jayx> well ... jono wants the channel to go to the spanish team...
[03:24] <effie_jayx> and jenda suggested that teh spanish team decides...
[03:28] <effie_jayx> LjL: jono just wanted to organize the things a bit...  the LoCo structure is not really well understood in latin america
[03:31] <apokryphos> I'm wondering if yipe shouldn't be +b in -offtopic and not +q
[03:32] <apokryphos> bit sad to let someone watch a channel when they can't post to it, unless they're just cooling off
[03:32] <Hobbsee> apokryphos: he's not in ther eanyway, is he?
[03:32] <apokryphos> he is
[03:33] <Hobbsee> oh, so he is
[03:33] <nalioth> if he starts join/part shenanigans or something . . .  otw, i say leave things as they are
[05:49] <ubotu> In #ubuntu, Quintin said: !dpi is http://scanline.ca/dpi/
[05:58] <LjL> uhm, bah, that page is interesting, but it is more a statement of opinion (which i don't even quite agree with) than instructions for users
[05:58] <LjL> besides, i dislike quintin :P
[06:11] <effie_jayx> LjL,  you speak spanish?
[06:11] <LjL> effie_jayx: not really, but i guess it somewhat ;)
[06:11] <LjL> helped two or three people in -es yesterday... though i had a hard time finding the words sometimes
[06:12] <effie_jayx> LjL,  :D
[06:12] <effie_jayx> LjL,  nalioth kicks ass in spanish too... :D
[06:13] <effie_jayx> literally
[06:13] <LjL> my spanish really just comes from the knowledge of a limited couple of words, and using italian grammar on top of that
[06:13] <LjL> and guessing the rest
[06:14] <effie_jayx> :D
[06:14] <effie_jayx> you try.. :D ...
[06:18] <LjL> effie_jayx: i'd give you a little show but nobody in -es is asking anything that i can answer ;P
[06:19] <effie_jayx> lol @ LjL's Spanish show...
[06:19] <effie_jayx> you should see elkbuntu  going at it :D
[06:19] <effie_jayx> she's a celebrity in #ubuntu-ve :D
[06:20] <tonyyarusso> I'm amused by the thought of a "celebrity" on IRC
[06:23] <effie_jayx> tonyyarusso, well ... she's a local hero then...
[06:23] <tonyyarusso> effie_jayx: 'k :)
[06:40] <ubotu> In ubotu, cybermatt said: where is ircd.conf when it is installed via apt-get
[07:50] <yipe> why don't I get the message "Cannot send to chan" or whatever when I try to talk in -offtopic? Do you have some sort of.... I don't know... different kind of mute going on in there?
[07:54] <PriceChild> Because afaik yipe your message is sent to the channel ops... but don't quote me on that :)
[07:54] <yipe> really?
[07:55] <yipe> weird
[07:57] <jenda> yipe: you are muted in the channel.
[07:57] <jenda> I don't think the channel ops get your messages, either.
[07:58] <yipe> oh I'm well aware that I'm muted, I'm just wondering why I don't get the normal error message when I try to talk
[07:58] <PriceChild> jenda, well none of them are opp'd so they wouldn't be... :)
[07:59] <jenda> yipe: cannot send to channel should be the normal error message.
[07:59] <yipe> yeah, it doesn't say that
[07:59] <yipe> it doesn't give me any message at all
[07:59] <gnomefreak> yipe: look on server window
[07:59] <gnomefreak> if its not giving you a error than you are not muted
[07:59] <gnomefreak> mre than likely
[07:59] <gnomefreak> more
[08:00] <yipe> yeah, it's not saying anything there either
[08:00] <gnomefreak> who muted you?
[08:00] <yipe> Seveas,
[08:01] <gnomefreak> if it is not showing you than i dont knwo but why would you need it to show you more than once?
[08:01] <yipe> because that's how I test to see if he's removed the mute yet or not :P
[08:03] <jenda> hehe
[08:04] <jenda> you can also have a look at the banlist it's there.
[08:04] <apokryphos> well now you will get that message
[08:05] <apokryphos> though in your case I'm not sure it's worth having a mute instead of a ban, really
[08:05] <yipe> there it goes :D
[08:05] <yipe> apokryphos, what do you mean? and really, what's the difference?
[08:06] <apokryphos> yipe: /msg ubotu umode tells you the difference
[08:07] <yipe> I meant what's the practical difference between being banned and muted?
[08:07] <yipe> either way, I'm not talking, so the result is the same
[08:07] <ompaul> banned means you can't get back in
[08:08] <yipe> I know what it means, apokryphos said I should be banned instead of muted, I'm just wondering what he thinks that will accomplish or change
[08:08] <ompaul> yipe, you pushed and pushed and pushed and pushed
[08:08] <ompaul> so you get removed, you know this
[08:08] <apokryphos> yipe: actually I didn't say that. I was thinking about which would be more appropriate.
[08:09] <yipe> ompaul, I'm not arguing that
[08:10] <yipe> although to be honest I do think the initial incident was blown way out of proportion, and keeping me muted this long over that is a bit ridiculous
[08:10] <apokryphos> not at all. Your language was appalling and your behaviour inexcusable
[08:10] <ompaul> yipe, stop now
[08:10] <ompaul> please
[08:10] <apokryphos> I don't think you'll be unmuted any time soon, either.
[08:10] <yipe> ompaul, I'm not doing anything
[08:11] <apokryphos> oh come on
[08:11] <apokryphos> you've just said that a decision made by operators was "ridiculous"
[08:11] <ompaul> that is what we want you to do now
[08:12] <nalioth> yipe, we've talked about this before.  please don't bring it up in here again.
[08:15] <yipe> and wait for Seveas to remove it? You know that'll take forever
[08:15] <ompaul> yipe, perhaps you should
[08:15] <apokryphos> there's no ambiguity about that; your ban will not be lifted any time soon
[08:15] <ompaul> now leave the subject alone
[08:16] <ompaul> I am now going to eat food
[08:17] <yipe> you do that
[08:17] <apokryphos> yipe: stop
[08:17] <yipe> now what?
[08:17] <apokryphos> you know exactly what. Please don't give us this extra childish attitude.
[08:21] <yipe> calm down apokryphos, I'm not causing any trouble
[08:22] <apokryphos> once again useless to say one thing when you were clearly in fact doing the contrary
[08:22] <apokryphos> but anyhow, is there anything else we can help you with?
[08:23] <nalioth> yipe: you won't be waiting for seveas to remove it. but you will be waiting if you keep reminding us.
[08:24] <yipe> nah, I was just curious about the "cannot send to chan" thing
[08:25] <yipe> there's a cryptic statement
[08:26] <yipe> has anyone seen the movie "the weatherman" with nick cage? my friend recommended it but I'm a little low on cash and I don't want to rent it if it's not gonna be good
[08:27] <nalioth> yipe the social channels are "that way" >>
[08:27] <yipe> I can't talk in them :P
[08:27] <nalioth> sure you can
[08:28] <yipe> actually no, that was just the wrong chan, sorry
[08:28] <yipe> anyways, see you guys later
[08:30] <apokryphos> blah
[10:05] <apokryphos> been pinging him for a few weeks in -locoteams, then decided to email him, and I get a response in a few minutes ;-)
[10:07] <apokryphos> so locobot_2 is now finally out of #xubuntu
[10:25] <Seveas> tonyyarusso, ping
[11:46] <PriceChild> Lot of people getting dumped into -unregged....
[11:47] <PriceChild> Maybe +J needs to be raised slightly?
[11:57] <PriceChild> Anyone?
[11:58] <SportChick> PriceChild: #ubuntu was briefly changed, I believe because of an impending bot threat
[11:59] <SportChick> PriceChild: did you see what I wrote?
[11:59] <jenda> SportChick: you scared his client to death.
[11:59] <SportChick> jenda: apparently
[11:59] <PriceChild> back sorry
[11:59] <PriceChild> nope :P
[11:59] <PriceChild> I pressed ctrl+x by acciadent... which is REALLY bugging me
[11:59] <jenda> it was the 'omg staff' reflex :)
[11:59] <SportChick> PriceChild: #ubuntu was briefly changed, I believe because of an impending bot threat
[12:00] <PriceChild> hehe :)
[12:00] <SportChick> it is temporary
[12:00] <PriceChild> jenda, I manage with you :P
[12:00] <PriceChild> SportChick, ahhh ok... I remember bearperson mentioning that come to think of it
[12:00] <SportChick> PriceChild: yep
[12:00] <jenda> PriceChild: well, I'm tame, you know.
[12:00] <SportChick> once we're comfortable the threat is over, #ubuntu will be returned to its normal state
[12:00] <PriceChild> jenda, only cuz they haven't let you loose yet :P
[12:00] <jenda> hehe
[12:00] <PriceChild> Ok sounds good :)