[12:16] <ucordes> BluesKaj: hehe thanks but the problem is there are no layouts available to select from as you can take from my question
[12:16] <ucordes> phobiac: that's very kind i hope you can find it
[12:21] <phobiac> ucordes: I'm going to need some more time, sorry.
[12:22] <NiGhTcHiLd> i just downloaded kubuntu how would i go about to set it up
[12:22] <chard_> how do i list rooms in linox
[12:23] <havard> hi all. why do my documents look like crap when i "print to pdf" in kword?
[12:24] <chard_> help please
[12:25] <erhanr> chard_: ./help list
[12:25] <NiGhTcHiLd> how do i install a different desktop enviroment
[12:27] <chard_> ./help list
[12:29] <ucordes> phobiac: could you email me when you found it? i have to part soon
[12:29] <bum> can someone tell me how to revert to an older kernel
[12:29] <erhanr> without "."
[12:30] <soulrider> bum: is it still installed ?
[12:30] <bum> yes it is
[12:31] <Parkotron> bum: Is it selectable in GRUB at start up?
[12:31] <soulrider> ok
[12:31] <soulrider> exactly
[12:31] <soulrider> if grub never pops up[ press esc
[12:31] <soulrider> and youll be able to select what kernel to user
[12:31] <soulrider> use*
[12:31] <bum> i have set it to boot into it from the grub menu, but i need to install nvidia drivers with it
[12:33] <phobiac> ucordes: You still here?
[12:33] <ucordes> yep
[12:33] <ucordes> did you find the solution?
[12:33] <phobiac> Okay, I remember that LjL helped me with this and he said he posted the solution at the bugs.
[12:33] <now3d> any Qt gurus around..?
[12:34] <phobiac> I don't know where the site is that handles ubuntu's bugs though.
[12:34] <phobiac> !bug
[12:34] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[12:34] <phobiac> Aha
[12:34] <flaccid0> you will see there is shitloads to be fixed
[12:37] <phobiac> ucordes: I'll look around in there.
[12:38] <rEvolution27> How do I convert codecs such as flash and xvid into stuff that can be played on a dvd player?
[12:38] <fribuntu> Hi all
[12:39] <fribuntu> Does anyone have experience using a Hauppauge pvr350 to watch TV on a linux box?
[12:39] <flaccid0> nope
[12:39] <flaccid0> whats the problem
[12:40] <fribuntu> I have set it up and can indeed watch TV if I use console based "cat /dev/video0 > /tmp/test_capture.mpg" and then watch that file with vlc or some such.
[12:40] <fribuntu> But I'd like to use a GUI and be able to change the channels without having to type in heaps of console commands.
[12:40] <ucordes> phobiac: i hope you can find it again
[12:40] <ucordes> i'm looking for a fix on it for days
[12:41] <ucordes> i really would like to stick on KDE but if i can't get a way to manage this i will have to go back to gnome
[12:41] <fribuntu> I have tried VLCs "open capture device" and then chose "video4linux" /dev/video0" but that only gives me a "beeeeeep" and a crash of VLC.
[12:42] <julio> anyone knows how install an umax web camara?
[12:42] <fribuntu> none of the TV frontends like XawTV or KDE TV work.
[12:42] <ucordes> julio: plug it in. see lsusb for hardware identifier
[12:42] <ucordes> look it up on google
[12:43] <fribuntu> And all I can find are instructions on how to set up mythTV using SVideo out on a TV to use it as a PVR.
[12:43] <fribuntu> But I just want to watch TV.
[12:43] <fribuntu> and I do NOT want to use a TV for that. That's the whole point of getting a TV card.
[12:43] <bam_> hi.I was wondering if someone could help me out with finding exactly what make and model graphics card I have installed on my pc. Maybe with a command?
[12:44] <julio> thanks ucordes but haw i can do these
[12:44] <bam_> I'm trying to find out if my kubuntu is using a generic driver or if i could find a better fitting driver.
[12:44] <ucordes> open a terminal
[12:44] <phobiac> ucodes: here you go https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/67612
[12:44] <ucordes> julio and type lsusb
[12:44] <phobiac> The post at the bottom is what fixed it for me.
[12:44] <ucordes> phobiac: thanks i owe you one
[12:45] <phobiac> ucordes: Thank me if it works. :P
[12:46] <ucordes> phobiac: i bookmarked it. have to go sleep now i will try it tomorrow. telling you the result when you here. thanks again
[12:46] <bam_> anyone?
[12:46] <phobiac> Okay. I hope it helps you.
[12:46] <BluesKaj> fribuntu, what's yer tv tuner card ?
[12:48] <julio> Isusb
[12:50] <naught101> is there any way to export and re-import all the installed/changed packages from apt-get from one installation to another (say if you CD upgrade)?
[12:51] <BluesKaj> !ubuntu upgrade
[12:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu upgrade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:51] <BluesKaj> !Edgy upgrade
[12:51] <word> for a pentium D..what should my architecture be? pentium, pentium4, pentium4m?
[12:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edgy upgrade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:52] <BluesKaj> !Edgy-upgrade
[12:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about edgy-upgrade - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:52] <BluesKaj> WTF?
[12:52] <word> !upgrade
[12:52] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[12:52] <word> BluesKaj: ^
[12:53] <BluesKaj> too easy :)
[12:53] <GalaZ> what i need to install for watch .avi files dvdrip?
[12:53] <GalaZ> !avi
[12:53] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:53] <tarragon> Can anyone help me install a package with Adept? I try to install OOo calc but it fails. The message that flashes up indicates a corrupt package archive. How do I remove this to re-download again?
[12:54] <Lars_G> Good evening all, again. :)
[12:54] <Lars_G> Riddell: Sire, are you around?
[12:54] <GalaZ> Lars_G:  what time is it?
[12:54] <andremarte> scusate il server in italiano_
[12:54] <Lars_G> GalaZ: In what part of the world?
[12:54] <phobiac> Well, I'm off for now.
[12:54] <GalaZ> Lars_G: your :P
[12:54] <BluesKaj> tarragon, check synaptic for broken pkges first
[12:54] <Lars_G> GalaZ: 19:55
[12:55] <GalaZ> 00:55 here
[12:55] <phobiac> !codecs | Galaz
[12:55] <ubotu> Galaz: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[12:55] <GalaZ> ( Italy ) :P
[12:55] <phobiac> Ah, nvm
[12:55] <phobiac> Okay now I really am off
[12:55] <Lars_G> GalaZ: I normally say a random "good day, evening, morning, night" etc. since it's that somewhere in the world at that time.
[12:55] <BluesKaj> !adeptfix
[12:55] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:55] <Lars_G> not necesarily related to where I'm at
[12:56] <andremarte> scusate qualcun mi sa dare l-indirizzo del server irc in italiano
[12:56] <BluesKaj> lars , there are 341 ppl in here from all over ..hello will suffice :)
[12:58] <slyfox> What do you people use to do backups ?
[12:59] <GalaZ> sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-pitfdll gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad-multiverse gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly-multiverse gxine libxine-main1 libxine-extracodecs ogle ogle-gui
[01:00] <GalaZ> i've writed this in konsole... but i can't see the avi anyway..
[01:00] <andremarte> avrei bisogno di sapere per cortesia il link per irc in italiano
[01:01] <erhanr> !italian
[01:01] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[01:06] <andremarte> varlo pastebin
[01:06] <andremarte> dove lo trovo pastebin
[01:07] <tarragon> BluesKaj, Thanks - corrupt cache file in /var/cache/apt/archives. Removed and Synaptic downloaded and installed.
[01:07] <jheuer> how do i set the default window manager in kdm? kubuntu (for whatever reason) set it to xfce4 and i want it to default to kde
[01:08] <sts9> hmmm, why would my KDE fonts be trashed but my Web fonts in Koqueror be trashed?
[01:08] <sts9> I mean
[01:09] <sts9> webpages disply normally
[01:09] <sts9> but KDE fonts are tiny
[01:09] <sts9> and cant goto the Kcontrol and fix the fonts cause Kcontrol is empty as of last week for my feisty install
[01:11] <sts9> Ive been using KDE for about 3 years and Im about to install gnome just so I can see
[01:11] <andremarte> andremarte
[01:11] <nagyv> how can I know if my webcam is recognized well? (it is possible that the webcam is wrong) Now I get a blank grey/black screen in wengo/kopete preview. Is it a driver problem?
[01:11] <fribuntu> BluesKaj: It is a Hauppauge PVR 350.
[01:11] <sts9> this just happened an hour ago
[01:11] <andre> sup folks
[01:11] <julio> somebody can helpme
[01:11] <nagyv> julio: in what?
[01:12] <julio> i dontknow how to install the web com umax
[01:13] <julio> i mean web cam umax
[01:14] <nagyv> !webcam
[01:14] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[01:14] <julio> yes
[01:14] <nagyv> julio: did you tried it?
[01:15] <nagyv> you probably have a led on the webcam, is it lighting when you push preview in one of the programs?
[01:15] <julio>  yes but i culdn
[01:15] <julio> no it dont
[01:15] <nagyv> julio: you don't have a led?
[01:16] <julio> yes i have but it dont lighting
[01:18] <rEvolution27> can democracy player doenload audio feeds?
[01:19] <bum> does anyone know how to install the older linux-image-386 for an older kernel?
[01:20] <julio> thankyou friens i am going to
[01:23] <soulrider> !beryl
[01:23] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:48] <slyfox> What do you people use to do backups ?
[01:48] <slyfox> what program ?
[01:49] <Jucato> k3b :D
[01:49] <flaccid0> scp prolly
[01:49] <flaccid0> !backup
[01:49] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[01:49] <slyfox> what is a one good one that you personally use ?
[01:50] <rEvolution27> anyone know how to download youtube video?
[01:50] <flaccid0> i don't use those i use scp with my own scripts
[01:51] <slyfox> rEvolution27: there are a few firefox extenions that do that
[01:51] <slyfox> search
[01:51] <rEvolution27> slyfox: I was just looking at a greasemonkey script that might work
[01:51] <rEvolution27> thanks
[01:52] <slyfox> rEvolution27: there are extension that do it easy so take a look
[01:52] <rEvolution27> k
[01:52] <nagyv> how can I get the device id of my usb webcam? lsusb does not list it
[01:54] <nagyv> actually, my main problem is that the pwc driver does not supports it, and even if I think I have found the right driver the kernel still loads the pwc module. How can I force it to use the other one?
[01:55] <flaccid0> nagyv: does lsusb list any plugged in usb devs?
[01:56] <flaccid0> nagyv: your last name nagy?
[01:56] <nagyv> flaccid0: yes, I have tried it once more, and now I get the device id too
[01:56] <nagyv> yes
[01:56] <genii> You could try going to a console before you plug the camera in. Then plug it in and standard out to console should report some information about the device
[01:57] <flaccid0> nagyv: so is my girlfriends family. we are in australia
[01:57] <flaccid0> hungarian?
[01:57] <nagyv> flaccid0: is she originally from H... yes
[01:57] <flaccid0> yep sure is
[01:57] <flaccid0> we have lots of nagy's in sydney
[01:57] <flaccid0> :)
[01:57] <nagyv> also in Hungary, but now I am in France :)
[01:57] <flaccid0> nice to meet you
[01:58] <nagyv> :)
[01:58] <flaccid0> cool. i'll call you a lost cousing then :)
[01:58] <flaccid0> err cousin
[01:58] <nagyv> yesterday I met here a girl whose first boyfriend was called nagy
[01:58] <BluesKaj> when ya get married , will she be nagy  :)
[01:58] <nagyv> is it so serious?
[01:58] <flaccid0> well shels already a nagger hehe
[01:58] <BluesKaj> or is she already
[01:58] <flaccid0> yeah we been together about 6 years or something
[01:59] <BluesKaj> cool
[01:59] <nagyv> flaccid0: nice!
[01:59] <flaccid0> we not big on marriage. we might as well be married!
[01:59] <BluesKaj> wifey and I have been together 41 yrs
[01:59] <flaccid0> i'll get over to hungary eventually to meet the nagys but yeah i guess that will be a while away
[02:00] <flaccid0> thats wicked BluesKaj
[02:00] <BluesKaj> <---old retired guy , with lotsa time to learn linux
[02:00] <flaccid0> sweet
[02:00] <vgerasimos> hi
[02:00] <flaccid0> i'd learn unix if i were you
[02:01] <BluesKaj> hehe , don't wanna get too difficult
[02:01] <BluesKaj> unix ..where can i use that ?
[02:02] <genii> On some bsd box?
[02:03] <bestadvocate> hey, I had a problem with Amarok,  can't get it to run, crashes when it tries to load my library for the first time.   Says that I need to replace my "Taglib".  Anyone else have this problem? anyone know how to fix it?
[02:03] <vgerasimos> hello there
[02:03] <vgerasimos> I just installed KDE on my Ubuntu Box
[02:03] <bestadvocate> hello
[02:04] <bestadvocate> cool
[02:04] <rEvolution27> how'd the kde install go?
[02:04] <vgerasimos> and many were installed in my system
[02:04] <vgerasimos> the thing is, I don't need them actually
[02:04] <bestadvocate> many?
[02:05] <vgerasimos> yeah, Kubuntu appd
[02:05] <vgerasimos> apps
[02:05] <bestadvocate> Kde is  a sweet of applications, like gnome.
[02:05] <vgerasimos> yeah sure
[02:05] <vgerasimos> but i'm on gnome
[02:05] <bestadvocate> you can hide the icons
[02:06] <bestadvocate> do you want to be on kde?
[02:06] <vgerasimos> yeah, how?
[02:06] <fernando_> how can I set CXX variable for g++4.0 as default??
[02:06] <vgerasimos> i wont to have those apps when i'm on KDE
[02:06] <bestadvocate> oh just left click the applications button
[02:06] <vgerasimos> and the others on Gnome
[02:06] <vgerasimos> do you see what i mean?
[02:07] <bestadvocate> yah gnome can hide the kde apps
[02:07] <vgerasimos> yeah?How?
[02:07] <Jucato> if you hide the apps from the menu using GNOME's menu editor, when you log in to KDE, they will be hidden as well
[02:07] <bestadvocate> left click the applications button at the top of your screen
[02:07] <bestadvocate> nope
[02:07] <bestadvocate> oh?
[02:07] <bestadvocate> oops
[02:07] <flaccid0> genii: yep thats what i'd do. freebsd/any bsd
[02:08] <Jucato> feel free to experiment if you want
[02:08] <vgerasimos> Ok, one question
[02:08] <vgerasimos> if i hide them now
[02:09] <vgerasimos> will i be able to have them appeared when i login with KDE?
[02:09] <bestadvocate> jucanto says thats unlikely
[02:09] <Jucato> hm... nope. iirc
[02:10] <genii> flaccid0 My main box at home multiboots to fbsd6.1, dapper, and XP
[02:10] <vgerasimos> bestadvocate was that for me?
[02:10] <bestadvocate> yup
[02:11] <flaccid0> genii: thats what i was going to do on my notebook. ive settled for just pcbsd instead.
[02:12] <main> wut up
[02:13] <main> pretty bored
[02:13] <main> anyone here?
[02:14] <vgerasimos> me!
[02:14] <main> yeah..
[02:14] <main> know any good games to download
[02:14] <main> lol
[02:14] <main> ?
[02:15] <devilsadvocate> frozen-bubble
[02:15] <nagyv> main: ksokoban
[02:15] <main> ive been play armagetron fro while
[02:15] <main> any of those multiplayer?
[02:15] <nagyv> devilsadvocate: frozen-bubble is good only with two players
[02:15] <main> as in online?
[02:15] <devilsadvocate> i know
[02:15] <main> ksokoban
[02:15] <nagyv> no
[02:15] <flaccid0> man my boss needs to set out work for me so i don't run out.
[02:16] <flaccid0> its only 12pm
[02:16] <main> start playing games
[02:16] <main> ..lol
[02:16] <nagyv> its only 2am
[02:16] <main> no ur wrong!!
[02:16] <main> its 5pm
[02:16] <flaccid0> i wish it was 5pm i'd go home
[02:16] <flaccid0> :
[02:16] <main> where do u work?
[02:17] <flaccid0> at a web dev company
[02:17] <nagyv> main: you are living in the past, it's already wednesday. flaccid0, am I right?
[02:17] <bestadvocate> I'm going to try upgrading amarok to fix the taglib problem....
[02:17] <main> uhh go web dev around then
[02:17] <flaccid0> wed 12:20pm aest
[02:17] <main> maann
[02:17] <main> that must be boring
[02:17] <rEvolution27> we have a bored party!
[02:17] <main> damn right
[02:17] <nagyv> lol
[02:18] <flaccid0> i've been left to hack code without much information. i so don't feel like it
[02:18] <flaccid0> i'm thinking about going home
[02:18] <main> so dont do it
[02:18] <rEvolution27> neat... i'm still in tuesday :)
[02:18] <bestadvocate> something tells me this is going to crash some programs....
[02:18] <main> be like "boss this is crap..ur crapp.. i quit"
[02:18] <nagyv> bestadvocate: you can never know unless you try! :)
[02:19] <main> yeah crash away!!
[02:19] <bestadvocate> nagyv: hazah!
[02:19] <flaccid0> hehe hes prolly sleeping as he stayed back yesterday to code all night
[02:19] <rEvolution27> offtopic anyone?...
[02:19] <main> maybe u should be sleeping too..
[02:19] <flaccid0> on topic anyone?
[02:19] <rEvolution27> I gues this chanell is quite though
[02:19] <flaccid0> imo its healthy to talk when there is no problem. builds rapport.
[02:19] <rEvolution27> god I can't spell channelll
[02:19] <Jucato> !offtopic
[02:19] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:19] <flaccid0> chanel
[02:19] <rEvolution27> umm no
[02:20] <rEvolution27> tht's perfumee
[02:20] <flaccid0> until Jucato does !offtopic :p
[02:20] <Jucato> that's what the offtopic channel is for. building rapport there
[02:20] <main> okay lets talk about kubuntu..
[02:20] <main> uhh
[02:20] <flaccid0> you dont need another channel to build rapport
[02:20] <Jucato> yes, so that traffic for support doesn't get clogged by traffic from offtopic
[02:20] <main> silence..
[02:21] <flaccid0> well i'm keeping any ye on support traffic. i think we all are
[02:21] <main> yeah its hard to miss
[02:21] <rEvolution27> true
[02:21] <main> some crash there computer and ask questions on how to fix it...
[02:21] <main> someone*
[02:22] <nagyv> alright! I have found a question! :)
[02:22] <Sherl> when does KDE4 come out
[02:22] <flaccid0> !kde4
[02:22] <ubotu> For information on KDE 4 (not to be released for quite some time yet), see: http://www.canllaith.org/svn-features/kde4.html. Also worth checking are: appeal/phonon/plasma/solid.kde.org
[02:22] <Sherl> !kde4
[02:22] <rEvolution27> Not soon
[02:22] <flaccid0> next please
[02:22] <Jucato> Sherl: no target date, but sometime this year
[02:22] <main> wo ho!!
[02:22] <nagyv> how to set up a kprinter under wine? the docs I have found on the net do not work, it says, I have some missing driver
[02:22] <main> that was some crazy support
[02:22] <Jucato> 2nd half or last quarter probably...
[02:23] <flaccid0> why do you need wine for print server?
[02:23] <main> man this my like 4 th day using kubuntu..
[02:23] <main> i feel like  a little kid again...
[02:23] <nagyv> no just for basic printing (mainly pdf :) )
[02:23] <soulrider> main, how are you liking it so far ?
[02:23] <flaccid0> oh client printing
[02:23] <main> irritating but tolerable
[02:23] <Jucato> nagyv: PDF printing?
[02:23] <main> ill get used to it
[02:23] <rEvolution27> main: lol... kubuntu rocks
[02:23] <flaccid0> i've never tired sorry nagyv
[02:24] <nagyv> Jucato: yes, it works pretty well under kde
[02:24] <Jucato> ah
[02:24] <main> k question
[02:24] <rEvolution27> main: I did... kinda
[02:24] <main> how do i get my special laptop buttons working
[02:24] <soulrider> main: maybe the differences in the interface are the things irritating you
[02:24] <nagyv> main: it can happen that they were not recognised
[02:24] <soulrider> i bet you probably feel slow using ubuntu
[02:24] <main> nah its how things dont work sometimes lol
[02:25] <soulrider> i think everything worked out of the box for me
[02:25] <nagyv> main: but you can always get them working once you found out the keycodes with xev
[02:25] <soulrider> i guess im lucky
[02:25] <nagyv> soulrider: you are basic :)
[02:25] <main> keycodes with xev??
[02:25] <main> can u elaborate on that?
[02:25] <rEvolution27> things always work if you do it right. Unlike windows where things stop working for no valid reason.
[02:25] <flaccid0> here is a good question for aussies. how do you report spam? i've reported to adma before, no response. seems like the spam act was a waste of time.
[02:25] <main> yeah but if windows break i usually know wat happened
[02:26] <soulrider> nagyv: how that ?
[02:26] <soulrider> main and have to reformat every few months because its unbearibly slow ?
[02:26] <main> wat is this "keycode with xev"??
[02:26] <main> windows or kubuntu
[02:26] <rEvolution27> I find no matter that people say, kubuntu is still for more technically minded people. r people who love to learn.
[02:26] <main> cuz i haven reformatted windows in 2 years and it was still working
[02:27] <nagyv> start xev in the console, and click a space, you wil see a lot of stuff, and also a part starting with KeyPress, in this there will be somewhere keycode 65, found similar numbers for your special keys, and then I will continue how to teach kde to use them os F13-F14567
[02:27] <nagyv> os->as
[02:27] <main> yeah windows was starting to irritate me..
[02:27] <nagyv> main: I knew it too, it crashed :)
[02:27] <rEvolution27> I had to re-format ubuntu the day I installed it
[02:27] <main> kinda like im stuck in a  box
[02:28] <mbelleza> hey...
[02:28] <rEvolution27> hey
[02:28] <bestadvocate> yo
[02:28] <main> i need to get better at this thing
[02:28] <main> like i cant even use console without a tutorial
[02:29] <rEvolution27> Well main, people aren't born with that ability
[02:29] <nagyv> main: I would say, that you can't use google :)
[02:29] <main> yeah its ahrd
[02:29] <main> hard
[02:29] <cj_> jucato are there good morning
[02:29] <main> and google isnt very helpful sometimes
[02:29] <Jucato> hi cj_
[02:30] <main> when its a really specific problem
[02:30] <bestadvocate> main: xev is one cute program (google image search)
[02:30] <rEvolution27> Get some documentation.... Linux documentation, Debian documentation, Ubuntu Documentation, KDE documentation and read
[02:30] <sleepy745> anyone have any ideas why my newest program menus are white and grey?
[02:30] <nagyv> main: google can be only the first step, it can happen that you need more
[02:30] <sleepy745> Running Kubutu 6.10 edgy
[02:30] <main> maann
[02:31] <main> wats the difference between dapper and edgy?
[02:31] <nagyv> !dapper
[02:31] <ubotu> dapper is the 4th release of Ubuntu.  Version 6.06 LTS, codename "Dapper Drake".
[02:31] <nagyv> !edgy
[02:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) is the latest version of Ubuntu. Upgrading to Edgy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EdgyUpgrades - Downloading: http://www.ubuntu.com/download - Release Notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyReleaseNotes
[02:31] <bestadvocate> main: dapper has long term support, edgy is the latest release.
[02:31] <main> oh
[02:31] <flaccid0> edgy is lts too?
[02:31] <rEvolution27> Why does dapper have long term support? Is it more stable or something?
[02:31] <flaccid0> but shorter
[02:31] <nagyv> flaccid0: nope
[02:32] <flaccid0>  not that lts seems to do anything...
[02:32] <flaccid0> apparently its lts 1 or something
[02:32] <nagyv> exactly
[02:32] <flaccid0> LTS is a load of shit
[02:32] <dwidmann> edgy gets security updates for 18 months, dapper gets it for 3 years
[02:32] <LjL> !language
[02:32] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:32] <nagyv> rEvolution27: for the business users
[02:32] <php-freak_> hey is there skyp messager for kubuntu?
[02:32] <php-freak_> skype*
[02:32] <dawn> how can you check what version xorg you are running?
[02:32] <rEvolution27> yes there is skype
[02:32] <LjL> and no flaccid0 edgy simply isn't lts
[02:32] <nagyv> php-freak_: yes
[02:32] <main> its in there somewhere
[02:32] <nagyv> !skype | php-freak_
[02:33] <ubotu> php-freak_: To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[02:33] <flaccid0> what is lts
[02:33] <LjL> flaccid0: i beg to differ
[02:33] <LjL> !lts
[02:33] <ubotu> LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server.
[02:33] <main> is skype still freee right now?
[02:33] <devilsadvocate> flaccid0, LTS  is LOng Term Support.
[02:33] <nagyv> lts=Long Term Support
[02:33] <dawn> !xorg
[02:33] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[02:33] <flaccid0> which means what exatly
[02:33] <flaccid0> "supported"
[02:33] <LjL> flaccid0: so you call something a load of whatever without having a clue what it is? interesting
[02:33] <flaccid0> what do i get out of LTS
[02:33] <nagyv> 3 years updates on deskopt, 5 on server
[02:33] <php-freak_> I was thinking kopete would have skype in it :(
[02:33] <devilsadvocate> flaccid0, security updates
[02:33] <LjL> flaccid0: you get security updates and bugfixes, for starters
[02:33] <flaccid0> LjL: thats not my fault
[02:33] <nagyv> for the other releases only 18months
[02:33] <flaccid0> i do? could of fooled me
[02:34] <flaccid0> the bugs i've reported have been outstanding for months
[02:34] <nagyv> flaccid0: but you don't get firefox2 for example for 3 years! (if I get it well)
[02:34] <dawn> why 18 vs 3 years?
[02:34] <flaccid0> do i have to wait 3 years for them to fix it?
[02:34] <dawn> lol
[02:34] <LjL> flaccid0: yes
[02:34] <rEvolution27> flaccid0: I was just gonna say try waiting 3 years
[02:34] <flaccid0> effectively LTS is misleading and does nothing.
[02:34] <nagyv> dawn: because 3*6=18
[02:34] <LjL> right. now back to kubuntu support
[02:35] <dawn> duh..... why 10 months support for edgy and then 3 years for dapper?
[02:35] <flaccid0> i mean why would you choose an operating system that doesn't fix bugs. all distros would be LTS then...
[02:35] <dawn> 18 months, I mean
[02:35] <dawn> kubuntu support...*NOD*
[02:35] <LjL> flaccid0: then don't choose it
[02:35] <flaccid0> dawn: i just got told that there is no LTS on edgy. is this STS or something
[02:35] <dawn> heh
[02:35] <flaccid0> LjL: well i don't choose it anymore. i choose pcbsd.
[02:36] <LjL> cool
[02:36] <dawn> I know there is no LTS for edgy
[02:36] <nagyv> dawn: there was a need for LTS, but for the geeks it is more fancy to always have cutting edge, so 3 years cycle don't work, and it is not viable to have so many concurrent versions
[02:36] <dawn> ahhh ok nagyv
[02:36] <main> computers are a load of poo..
[02:36] <dawn> I understand now
[02:36] <bestadvocate> dang, upgrading amarok did not solve my "taglib" error.
[02:36] <dawn> says you
[02:36] <flaccid0> bestadvocate: try a dif os :)
[02:36] <dawn> .me shuts her *hole*
[02:36] <bestadvocate> anyone have any suggestions?  is it possible to downgrade amarok?
[02:37] <flaccid0> bestadvocate: compile latest from source
[02:37] <main> when are they gonna find away to hook up my computer directly to my brain?
[02:37] <dwidmann> bestadvocate: maybe updating the tagging library instead would help?
[02:37] <main> all this learning lag is irritating
[02:37] <musya> anyone know of a good web developer for gnome perferably? ubuntu channel is no help. a developer like dreamweaver
[02:37] <bestadvocate> forgive me if I ignore your advice flaccid0
[02:37] <rEvolution27> dawn: probably....
[02:37] <bestadvocate> dwidmann: how?
[02:37] <dawn> Kool
[02:37] <devilsadvocate> dawn, it sure will. i've seen the monster that is vista
[02:37] <dawn> :)
[02:37] <flaccid0> musya: you want a wysiwyg ?
[02:38] <nagyv> bestadvocate: I think that of you add a repository with an older version, then you can try to do it, but are you sure that it would solve your problem?
[02:38] <flaccid0> bestadvocate: thats ok. forgive yourself i you don't fix the problem :)
[02:38] <dawn> oh you saw "the WOW?
[02:38] <dawn> LMAO
[02:38] <musya> flaccid0: whats that?
[02:38] <flaccid0> musya: dreamweaver is a wysyiwig
[02:38] <Sherl> whats a good lightweight browser to install
[02:38] <dwidmann> !info libtagc0
[02:38] <ubotu> libtagc0: TagLib Audio Meta-Data Library (C bindings). In component main, is optional. Version 1.4-4 (edgy), package size 7 kB, installed size 60 kB
[02:38] <flaccid0> what you see is what you rget
[02:38] <bestadvocate> nagyv: definitely not sure
[02:38] <LjL> !browsers | sherl
[02:38] <ubotu> sherl: Browsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), Opera (Qt, proprietary)  -  HTTP servers: apache2
[02:38] <rEvolution27> dawnn: What's vista except xp with widgets, search and flip 3d?
[02:38] <nagyv> flaccid0: not necessarily wysiwyg=what you see is what you get
[02:38] <flaccid0> Sherl: lynx
[02:38] <LjL> sherl: dillo for instance
[02:38] <musya> flaccid0: yea i guess so.
[02:38] <musya> know of any
[02:38] <dawn> Evolution27: exactly
[02:38] <musya> ?
[02:39] <jesvs> hi
[02:39] <flaccid0> huh
[02:39] <jesvs> anybody can give me a good repositorie list pls?
[02:39] <nagyv> bestadvocate: I doubt it :( (actually I don't really know your problem, just know that you are working on it for a long time)
[02:39] <LjL> !easysource > jesvs    (jesvs, see the private message from Ubotu)
[02:39] <nagyv> jesvs: you can find one on ubuntuguide.org
[02:39] <Sherl> !browsers
[02:39] <ubotu> Browsers available for Linux: Firefox (GTK, Gecko engine), Konqueror (KDE/Qt, KHTML engine), Epiphany (GTK, Gecko engine), Dillo (GTK), Links2 (terminal-based or graphical, see !man page), Opera (Qt, proprietary)  -  HTTP servers: apache2
[02:39] <flaccid0> musya: have a look at apt:/search?wysiwyg in konqueror. there is one but i can't remember the name of it sorry.
[02:40] <BluesKaj> !Repositories
[02:40] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[02:40] <musya> im looking for gnome but the ubuntu channel is of no help
[02:40] <BluesKaj> http://www.debianadmin.com/ubuntu-edgy-eft-complete-sourceslist-repository-list-file.html
[02:40] <dawn> !gnonme
[02:40] <dawn> !gnome
[02:40] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gnonme - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:40] <musya> ill do apt-cache search for wysiwyg
[02:40] <ubotu> gnome is a project that provides two things: The GNOME desktop environment, an intuitive and attractive desktop for end-users, users, and the GNOME development platform, an extensive framework for building applications that integrate into the rest of the desktop.
[02:40] <LjL> musya, i gave you the following factoid if you noticed:
[02:40] <LjL> !html
[02:40] <ubotu> html is HyperText Markup Language, used to build webpages. Editors in Ubuntu: Bluefish, Quanta+, Screem, and Nvu. For howto on HTML coding, see: http://www.w3schools.com
[02:40] <LjL> is this no help at all?
[02:40] <flaccid0> musya: gnome is desktop environment, not a wysiwyg
[02:41] <dawn> gnome, kde, xfc
[02:41] <bestadvocate> nagyv: thanks, i found a ubuntu wikipage of people with simmiler problems but no one there seems to have a solution ether
[02:41] <flaccid0> musya: follow what LjL pasted for you
[02:41] <musya> no i know im on gnome i need a web developer for it,
[02:41] <main> question
[02:41] <dawn> frontpage
[02:41] <dawn> haha
[02:41] <devilsadvocate> musya, what exactly do you need?
[02:41] <musya> the ubuntu channel was just being stupi
[02:41] <main> i just installed some "game" packages and there not in the games menu??where could they be?
[02:41] <flaccid0> bluefish and quanta meant to be ok from what i've heard
[02:41] <musya> a web developer
[02:42] <main> ?
[02:42] <devilsadvocate> musya, hire one
[02:42] <nagyv> musya: you can use kde-based applications too under gnome
[02:42] <flaccid0> musya: don't call it a web developer. call it a wysiwyg html editor
[02:42] <musya> yea you just need the kde libs dont you?
[02:42] <nagyv> main: it can happen that you have to logout/login
[02:42] <dawn> Wizzi-wig
[02:42] <main> ohh
[02:42] <musya> flaccid0: sorry i dont remember that
[02:42] <main> okay ill try that now
[02:42] <musya> lol
[02:42] <main> brb
[02:42] <nagyv> musya: or something similar
[02:42] <jesvs> thx u guys
[02:42] <musya> ok
[02:42] <flaccid0> musya: a web developer is a person.
[02:42] <devilsadvocate> musya, nvu
[02:42] <dawn> Gals, ahem
[02:43] <musya> a web developing application such as dreamweaver....sorry..
[02:43] <devilsadvocate> !nvu | musya
[02:43] <ubotu> musya: nvu: Complete Web Authoring System. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0final-2ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 8373 kB, installed size 26448 kB
[02:44] <flaccid0> try to use terms musya it will help you and others
[02:45] <main> okay
[02:45] <main> the pakcages i installed are still not showing up anywhere
[02:45] <musya> ok
[02:45] <main> packages*
[02:45] <devilsadvocate> main, what packages?
[02:45] <main> some game packages
[02:46] <php-freak_> so kopete don't have skypee integrated?
[02:46] <main> haha
[02:46] <nagyv> main: what did you installed?
[02:46] <main> kubuntu hates me
[02:46] <main> i can feel it lol
[02:46] <nagyv> main: in my case there were also a couple of apps that did not get into the menu
[02:46] <main> hold on
[02:47] <nagyv> main: anyway, you can add them to the desired location by right clicking in the appripriate subgroup of the menu
[02:47] <flaccid0> php-freak_: nope. there is some plugin but its just a wrapper to the external skype binary iirc.
[02:47] <flaccid0> time for lunch
[02:47] <main> some penguin game..
[02:47] <main> lol
[02:48] <nagyv> php-freak_: and even that plugin does not work, because the Skype API is a piece of ...
[02:48] <nagyv> trash
[02:48] <main> wait where do i find it?
[02:48] <nagyv> main: use this command: more /var/log/dpkg.log | grep "status installed"
[02:49] <nagyv> it will list your package manager's log file
[02:49] <nagyv> but only the status installed lines
[02:49] <php-freak_> what is skypee, is skypee irc?
[02:49] <Jucato> !skype
[02:49] <ubotu> To install Skype on Ubuntu, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Skype - To record on Skype, check: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeRecordingHowto
[02:49] <Jucato> skype is voip
[02:49] <nagyv> php-freak_: but you can choose also an open alternative, like wengophone
[02:49] <francisco> Greetings
[02:50] <nagyv> php-freak_: it has much better support for linux(, and much smaller network :( )
[02:50] <main> nagyv iits showing up in that command
[02:50] <main> but where do i find it
[02:50] <sleepy745> When I go to menus, and select a different menu from the dropdown bar I see the last menu in the background, like it's frozen there, anyway to fix?
[02:50] <main> ?
[02:50] <nagyv> whereis commandname
[02:50] <nagyv> main^^^
[02:50] <nagyv> it is probably under /usr/bin
[02:50] <NkZ> Greetings. Adept manager won't let me install programs. They will show up like in gray color. How can I do to install the programs via Adept?
[02:51] <main> jebus
[02:51] <main> k
[02:51] <Jucato> !adept | NkZ
[02:51] <ubotu> NkZ: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[02:51] <NkZ> Thanks
[02:51] <php-freak_> so skypee is a great thing?
[02:52] <nagyv> php-freak_: if you have friends who use them yes, otherwise it is useless
[02:52] <nagyv> php-freak_: it's a network good
[02:52] <php-freak_> yes
[02:52] <php-freak_> very good friends
[02:52] <php-freak_> hehehe
[02:52] <php-freak_> hehe a large company contacted me today
[02:52] <php-freak_> hehehe
[02:54] <NkZ> Also, Another question: Ubuntu had the "Sessions" menu to set up things to load at startup, how I do that at Kubuntu?
[02:54] <BluesKaj> hehe, what's so funny ..hehe
[02:54] <nagyv> lol
[02:54] <main> i found packages
[02:54] <main> but when i ran them some of them dont work
[02:54] <main> maaannnn
[02:54] <rich__> can you tell me why irc is telling me i need to be invited to #ubuntu?
[02:54] <rich__> never had to before
[02:55] <rich__> grrrr
[02:55] <rich__> hello...is this thing on?
[02:56] <underdog5004> yep
[02:56] <nagyv> yes, we simply don't have an answer
[02:57] <NkZ> Ubuntu had the "Sessions" menu to set up things to load at startup, how I do that at Kubuntu?
[02:57] <underdog5004> rich__, you can't do this? /join #ubuntu
[02:57] <BluesKaj> rich__, yer nick has to be registered with nickserv if you want PM anyone , but you should be able to join #ubuntu without registration
[02:57] <NkZ> For Example, Beryl.
[02:57] <rich__> underdog5004:
[02:57] <Jucato> NkZ: that's the default behavior for Kubuntu
[02:57] <nagyv> NkZ: you have to put the autostarting apps (or a symlink) to ~/.kde/Autostart
[02:57] <Jucato> NkZ: to load things that were left running at logout
[02:58] <rich__> underdog5004: sorry no it takes me to unregged and i was connected earlier to #ubuntu you dont have to register
[02:58] <underdog5004> rich__, it may be that there is already someone in the channel w/ your name...
[02:58] <NkZ> Thanks!
[02:58] <rich__> no they are having technical difficulties
[02:58] <rich__> i just found out
[02:58] <bestadvocate> I give up I'm uninstalling amarok
[02:58] <rich__> thx though
[02:58] <underdog5004> np
[02:58] <nagyv> Jucato: it happens that you want to run some small script (like I mount my external drive always at login)
[02:59] <Jucato> !autostart | NkZ
[02:59] <ubotu> NkZ: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[02:59] <Jucato> nagyv: ^^^
[02:59] <nagyv> thx
[03:00] <NkZ> Kubuntu and Ubuntu are really different. :-P
[03:00] <NkZ> That is, KDE and Gnome.
[03:00] <Jucato> as different as KDE and GNOME are
[03:00] <underdog5004> yep
[03:00] <sleepy745> how do I make some of my grey menu's readable
[03:00] <NkZ> I just switched from Ubuntu, Hard to get used to this. :-)
[03:02] <deathnote> i have a problem installing beryl....after following the instructions on the web, when i log in, it just restart me into the login screen again...
[03:02] <bestadvocate> thanks all for being helpful, Kubuntu and Ubuntu's IRC servers are unfailingly full of the most generously helpful people.
[03:17] <endo602> how do i set up my kwallet so that i dont have to type in the root password no more?
[03:18] <deathnote> hi, how do u unrar a rar file in console? tar?
[03:19] <fignew> deathnote: apt-get install unrar-free
[03:19] <nagyv> endo602: you can not set it up so, kwallet is to defend you really important data
[03:19] <bia> hi
[03:20] <fignew> and use that
[03:20] <nagyv> endo602: but you won't need to remember everything, just you kwallet password
[03:20] <LjL> !rar > deathnote    (deathnote, see the private message from Ubotu)
[03:20] <LjL> deathnote: tar is for tar. rar is for rar. actually, you want unrar ;)
[03:20] <luc1fersflowers> hello all
[03:20] <posingaspopular> luc1fersflowers: !!
[03:21] <bia> ups? wo bin ich denn jetzt gelandet
[03:21] <luc1fersflowers> sorry to interupt any ongoing converation, but i was wondering if anyone could direct me to a faq regaurding creative audio devices?
[03:21] <fignew> was meinst du?
[03:21] <posingaspopular> luc1fersflowers: yea i'll poke around.
[03:21] <posingaspopular> no need to apologize
[03:22] <luc1fersflowers> thanks :D
[03:22] <posingaspopular> what are you looking for specifically?
[03:22] <endo602> how do i set up so that when i use kdesu i dont have to enter a password/?
[03:23] <bia> verflucht, das kommt davon wenn man keine ahung hat
[03:23] <luc1fersflowers> well, i'm trying to get my external (creative extigy) to work full time on my system
[03:24] <luc1fersflowers> i've done it in the past but have sence taken a break from linux and have lost all the info i had
[03:24] <dwidmann> endo602, it's easy to do, but I don't recommend doing it
[03:24] <endo602> well
[03:24] <endo602> i am the only one who uses this machine
[03:24] <endo602> no other users
[03:24] <bia> htte ich doch bloss nie den gedanken gehabt umzusteigen
[03:25] <fignew> LOL! endo602
[03:25] <endo602> and its protected behind secure firewall
[03:25] <NkZ> Also, I wanted to ask: I can't find the menu applet that shows me my connection strength (Wi-Fi)
[03:25] <dwidmann> endo602, you can probably get the effect by editing your sudoers file
[03:25] <dwidmann> open a terminal and type "sudo visudo"
[03:26] <posingaspopular> that's an.... mp3 system right?
[03:26] <endo602> ok
[03:26] <bia> was is das hier eigentlich
[03:27] <deathnote> so should i use unrar free or non free?
[03:27] <deathnote> free one failed in extracting..hm
[03:27] <Prisoner_> hello
[03:28] <luc1fersflowers> posingaspopular: yes
[03:28] <deathnote> nvmind..unrar worked
[03:28] <dwidmann> edit the %admin line to read "%admin yourcomputersname=NOPASSWD:(All) All"
[03:28] <dwidmann> I'm not sure if that is quite right, but it should be close, also, be sure to sub out yourcomputersname ....
[03:29] <bia> jetzt hab ich, glaube ich zumindest, verstanden was das hier is
[03:29] <endo602> i will
[03:30] <endo602> hmmmm
[03:30] <pgdown> where are the power-saving options in kubuntu?
[03:30] <endo602> said there is an error
[03:31] <endo602> do i put the computers name
[03:31] <bia> dann stell auch ich mal ne frage: ich kann keine dvds gucken
[03:31] <endo602> or my user name?
[03:31] <endo602> can i just put in the user name?
[03:31] <dwidmann> computers name
[03:31] <NkZ> I can't find the menu applet that shows me my connection strength (Wi-Fi)
[03:31] <endo602> i screwed up
[03:32] <endo602> i put the user name and now i cant use sudo
[03:32] <posingaspopular> luc1fersflowers: try this
[03:32] <posingaspopular> http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=473&cat=81
[03:32] <dwidmann> you'll have to reboot in recovery mode and fix the file endo602
[03:32] <endo602> ok
[03:32] <endo602> i use the comp name this time
[03:32] <endo602> see if that works
[03:32] <endo602> bbs
[03:33] <NkZ> Anyone knows where I can find the connection strength applet?
[03:33] <NkZ> For the KDE Menu.
[03:33] <pgdown> where is the powersaving options in kubuntu?
[03:33] <NkZ> something like gnome-networkmanager but for KDE. :-P
[03:33] <bia> sprechen denn hier alle nur englisch?
[03:34] <cgeo> anybody knows how to make mplayer plugin work on opera. it works fine in firefox
[03:36] <cgeo> jn
[03:37] <torkk> hi
[03:38] <n8k99> NkZ wlanassitant under internet
[03:38] <n8k99> ah! wrong - hang on
[03:38] <bia> is denn hier niemand der deutsch spricht
[03:38] <torkk> in Ubuntu there is this thing when tabbing a command that it will show all its options, could someone show me their .bashrc or bash-completion configuration files? I would greatly appreciate as I wanna have this in Gentoo
[03:39] <torkk> was ist diese?
[03:39] <torkk> eine deutsche canal?
[03:39] <n8k99> NkZ right click on the panel and select add applet
[03:39] <endo602> dwidmann, that line you gave me is not good.
[03:39] <torkk> ich mochte hilfe bitte
[03:39] <Hirvinen> !de
[03:39] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:39] <james__> sup guys
[03:39] <endo602> adding NOPASSWD: give me a line error
[03:39] <n8k99> NkZ there will be a menu of applets to install
[03:40] <torkk> ok so this is an english channel
[03:40] <n8k99> NkZ teh one you want is called "Wireless Network information"
[03:40] <bia> danke heit glaube ich znks oder so
[03:41] <NkZ> n8k99: That one is not showed on the list. Where can I DL it?
[03:41] <torkk> anyone read my question??
[03:42] <n8k99> ah, you can use Adept  to install kdeextras
[03:42] <NkZ> Roger that. Thanks!
[03:42] <torkk> bia: ach du bist scheisse, dis ist nich keine deutsche kannal. RAUS!
[03:43] <NkZ> Cant find KDE extras on Adept
[03:44] <n8k99> do you have all your repositories enabled?
[03:44] <deathnote> when i try to play from mplayer, i get vo: couldn't open the X11 display ()! ....help!
[03:44] <n8k99> !repos
[03:44] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:44] <dwidmann> endo602:
[03:44] <dwidmann> I'm back, and I know why
[03:44] <endo602> ?
[03:44] <NkZ> KDE addons I think you meant
[03:44] <NkZ> Will try that one.
[03:44] <dwidmann> did a little experiment, walked away a few minutes, and I'm back now
[03:44] <endo602> cool
[03:45] <torkk> anyone read my question please??
[03:45] <endo602> not working with boxname=NOPASSWD:(all) all
[03:45] <NkZ> What kind of experiment is that?
[03:45] <dwidmann> change it to read "%.......NOPASSWD:ALL
[03:45] <endo602> ?
[03:46] <endo602> read %admin compname=NOPASSWD:ALL?
[03:46] <NkZ> Now I know why they say "Intel inside, Idiot Outside" they were refering to me. :-P
[03:46] <dwidmann> right.
[03:46] <endo602> let me try
[03:46] <grim76> I think all daughters have fun tormenting their fathers.
[03:46] <posingaspopular> torkk: im sorry, what language are you trying to communicate in?
[03:47] <dwidmann> NkZ: supposedly me as well
[03:47] <grim76> doh wrong window sorry
[03:47] <endo602> >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 19 <<<
[03:47] <NkZ> Ha ha ha ha I can't find that damn KDE applet for the Wifi
[03:47] <torkk> hello?
[03:47] <NkZ> I just installed KDE addons
[03:47] <dwidmann> gah, so that didn't work either endo602?
[03:47] <endo602> nope
[03:48] <posingaspopular> torkk: is that german?
[03:48] <dwidmann> odd
[03:48] <dwidmann> I would think it woudl
[03:48] <cgeo> anybody knows how to make mplayer plugin work on opera. it works fine on firefox
[03:49] <torkk> posingaspopular: english, did you check my questoni?
[03:49] <torkk> posingaspopular: naa, I was answering that dude who kept tawking in deutsch
[03:49] <torkk> in Ubuntu there is this thing when tabbing a command that it will show all its options, could someone show me their .bashrc or bash-completion configuration files? I would greatly appreciate as I wanna have this in Gentoo
[03:49] <torkk> posingaspopular: ^^
[03:49] <torkk> ^^^
[03:50] <endo602> dwidmann, any other ideas?
[03:50] <dwidmann> endo602, it seems to be working for me
[03:50] <dwidmann> maybe you have the computer name wrong?
[03:50] <posingaspopular> where is this command/tab?
[03:50] <posingaspopular> got it now
[03:50] <posingaspopular> I can't read
[03:50] <james__> lol
[03:50] <endo602> hoe do i find out the real computer name?
[03:51] <dwidmann> endo602: type "hostname" in a terminal
[03:51] <endo602> no its the real one
[03:52] <dwidmann> Hmm, so it looks like "%admin hostname=NOPASSWD:ALL"? Also, spacing probably counts
[03:53] <endo602> spacing?
[03:53] <torkk> great
[03:53] <torkk> what's going on in here?
[03:53] <torkk> anyone ?
[03:53] <dwidmann> endo602: in other words, no extra white space
[03:53] <endo602> one sec
[03:53] <endo602> i got it
[03:53] <endo602> i think
[03:53] <mshade> any help on knetworkmanager? it only shows the wired network device.  i'm on wireless right now...
[03:53] <endo602> yes
[03:53] <endo602> i got it
[03:53] <juan> somebody help me? Beryl & Ati 9250 not work
[03:53] <endo602> so now i dont have to do sudo no more?
[03:54] <dwidmann> I'm not sure if it works with kdesu or not endo602, but it does work with sudo
[03:54] <dwidmann> endo602: yes you do, just it won't bug you for a password
[03:54] <endo602> aha
[03:54] <torkk> juan: go to #beryl
[03:54] <dwidmann> which seemed to be what you were asking for to begin with
[03:54] <endo602> is there way to modify that?
[03:54] <endo602> yeah
[03:54] <endo602> you did it
[03:54] <Jucato> !beryl | juan
[03:54] <ubotu> juan: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:55] <endo602> is there a way for me to say ask sudo for commands in terminal?
[03:55] <Jucato> torkk: we have an ubuntu channel for beryl and co. :)
[03:55] <juan> ok, ups
[03:55] <mshade> anyone using knetworkmanager?
[03:55] <endo602> dwidmann, works for kdesu
[03:55] <dwidmann> endo602: eh?
[03:55] <torkk> well #beryl is neutral there's also a #gentoo-xeffects
[03:56] <dwidmann> endo602: neat
[03:56] <dwidmann> brb
[03:56] <posingaspopular> torkk: i honestly have no idea
[03:58] <torkk> posingaspopular: no idea? You just have to look in .bashrc and I'll copy what you've got there and look in bash-completion
[03:58] <torkk> pleeeeeaaaaaaasssseeeeeee
[03:58] <Draxer> Hello everyone... I am trying to reinstall kde-guidance and get system startup links for /etc/init.d/displayconfig-hwprobe.py already exist, any ideas?
[03:59] <ep> I'm still on Dapper, do  the recent KDE's use QT version 4.x.  If not, any idea when this will happen?
[04:00] <Jucato> ep: no. KDE 3.5 still uses Qt 3.x
[04:00] <Jucato> it will happen when KDE 4 arrives
[04:00] <ep> i hope it's coming along nicely:)
[04:00] <posingaspopular> !bash
[04:00] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[04:01] <mshade> !knetworkmanager
[04:01] <ubotu> knetworkmanager: User friendly KDE frontend for NetworkManager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.1-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 213 kB, installed size 1448 kB
[04:02] <alex__> could anyone give me a hand with setting up last.fm in amarok?
[04:02] <posingaspopular> man this doesn't make sense to me at all. sorry
[04:04] <Draxer> I am trying to reinstall kde-guidance and konsole returns "system startup links for /etc/init.d/displayconfig-hwprobe.py already exist", any ideas?
[04:05] <eisma> i installed amarok onto my ubuntu machine, and it keeps asking me if i want to install mp3 support, and after i install it, and restart amarok, it asks me again
[04:06] <Jucato> eisma: I guess you'll have to install libxine-extracodecs manually.
[04:07] <eisma> how do i do that?
[04:07] <eisma> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs?
[04:08] <Jucato> eisma: enable the multiverse repository, and yes, sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs
[04:09] <eisma> ok thank you
[04:09] <eisma> and that's it?
[04:09] <Jucato> yep
[04:09] <Jucato> (afaik)
[04:10] <esaym> anyone have slow transfers to an ipod using ararok?
[04:10] <esaym> or atleast slower then in windows..
[04:11] <esaym> err actually its just my mind
[04:11] <esaym> its going fast, n/m
[04:11] <esaym> thought it was running in usb 1.0 mode for a sec....
[04:11] <esaym> :p
[04:15] <jaguy> ../leave
[04:19] <gkjones> can any 1 assist me in claring out a broken package that is not allowing Adept manager to update anything.
[04:20] <crazy_bus> Can anyone help me compiling the latest gimp 2.3?
[04:20] <james__> hi kids\
[04:20] <esaym> ok n/m my ipod is transfering slow
[04:21] <posingaspopular> im not asian!
[04:21] <posingaspopular> just saying
[04:21] <esaym> it went quick up to 80% and then slowed way down
[04:21] <esaym> it does way quicker in windows
[04:21] <esaym> anyone have any idea? the forums say nothing
[04:22] <james__> fw or usb
[04:22] <esaym> usb
[04:22] <esaym> usb 2.0
[04:22] <james__> is it mounted as a mass storage dev or an ipod
[04:22] <esaym> hrrmm
[04:22] <esaym> one sec
[04:23] <james__> i have great luck with usb mass storage , transfered 10 gigs yesterday but never used an ipod
[04:23] <esaym> thats the fstab
[04:23] <esaym> its the new ipod nano gen2
[04:23] <esaym> dev/sdb2 /mnt/ipod vfat noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,rw,users 0 0
[04:24] <gkjones> and also ru using Amaroc to do the transfers....or something else
[04:24] <esaym> amarok
[04:24] <gkjones> ahh..yessss  UC u really shoul;d have come clean strait away
[04:25] <esaym> i did up top:  [21:10]  <esaym>anyone have slow transfers to an ipod using ararok?  ;)
[04:25] <gkjones> ok u just ned to update to the latest version of amarok as they have done lots of fixes in this area. I did have the same problem
[04:25] <esaym> ok that sounds great!
[04:25] <esaym> just automatix or is there a better way?
[04:26] <flaccid0> what you trying to do esaym?
[04:26] <james__> sudo apt-get update | sudo apt-get install amorik
[04:27] <esaym> gkjones what  method you use to update amarok?
[04:27] <gkjones> amarok
[04:27] <james__> amarok whatever
[04:27] <esaym> its already installed
[04:27] <esaym> is the lastest version in the repos?
[04:27] <flaccid0> doubt it
[04:27] <fignew> esaym: edgy?
[04:27] <esaym> I have only seen it in automatix
[04:27] <esaym> no dapper
[04:28] <gkjones> james..the comand u gave him wont work ..thats why i added the correct spelling
[04:28] <flaccid0> esaym: dapper version stays
[04:28] <Admiral_Chicago> oh please don't use Automatix...
[04:28] <james__> i updated yesterday with apt and have 1.4.3
[04:28] <fignew> esaym: dapper = security updates only
[04:28] <esaym> haha, thats why I was asking about automatix
[04:29] <esaym> hmm I see
[04:29] <gkjones> yes Admiral is sort of right. I mean its attractive but it does throw up some problems at times
[04:29] <flaccid0> esaym: compile and install the source code if you want a new version
[04:29] <Admiral_Chicago> not if you use backports
[04:29] <esaym> I have version 1.4.3
[04:29] <esaym> that came with dapper
[04:29] <Admiral_Chicago> dapper-backports may have it...1.4.3 should work
[04:29] <esaym> 1.4.5 is out ?
[04:29] <flaccid0> esaym: is there a problem or do you wanna upgrade or you just plain ignoring me?
[04:29] <Admiral_Chicago> for Feisty
[04:30] <fignew> esaym: 1.4.4 is available for dapper if you go to the kubuntu homepage
[04:30] <james__> http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Download:Kubuntu has a package 1.4.4
[04:30] <esaym> flaccid0 no sorry.  I have version 1.4.3 gkjones said to update to the lastest version to fix an ipod bug
[04:31] <flaccid0> hmm that sux
[04:31] <flaccid0> james__: that is for edgy
[04:31] <flaccid0> this is for dapper
[04:31] <flaccid0> you have to compile
[04:32] <esaym> ok, I will look into compiling
[04:32] <esaym> Just a question, why does everyone hate automatix so much?
[04:32] <flaccid0> because its crap. its not reliable
[04:33] <james__> oh well i have edgy :)
[04:33] <esaym> Hmm.  Any examples?  I haven't had a problem with it installing a few media players
[04:33] <flaccid0> james__: esaym doesn't
[04:33] <flaccid0> no examples becuase i have never used it
[04:33] <james__> automatix is like a Ferarri, great when it works but god help you if it dont
[04:34] <esaym> rofl ok
[04:34] <gkjones> examples are broken packages that then totally hang your system's ability to update.
[04:34] <esaym> I will compile the latest version
[04:34] <james__> give a script root access and have it go awol oooops
[04:34] <esaym> that would suck
[04:35] <james__> on the subject of things that suck anyone know how to make kwlan autorun
[04:36] <gkjones> 1.4.3 is the latest safe version so thats good. U arent trying to update it from another node by any chance ru?
[04:36] <esaym> node?
[04:38] <esaym> I guess I should uninstall the current version of amarok before I compile the lastest version?
[04:38] <flaccid0> !autostart
[04:38] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[04:38] <flaccid0> gkjones: node?
[04:39] <flaccid0> esaym: yes or remove the package before make install. no need to remove it until you can install ie. solved deps
[04:39] <esaym> ah good idea
[04:39] <flaccid0> but be warned
[04:40] <flaccid0> i think i had a problem doing it for dapper
[04:40] <flaccid0> thus why i'm using the package atm. i can't remember what problem i ran into however
[04:40] <esaym> I am not accustomed to compiling on ubuntu
[04:40] <esaym> adept is so easy
[04:40] <esaym> hmm well that sucks
[04:40] <flaccid0> i mean i'd upgrade to edgy, but upgrades of major releases with ubuntu generally are not successful
[04:41] <esaym> I wonder if I should upgrade to edgy, I really don't want to
[04:41] <flaccid0> i upgraded, my system then had issues after
[04:41] <flaccid0> and upgrading i ran into many problems and took about 20hours
[04:41] <esaym> yea
[04:41] <flaccid0> so now im a pcbsd user
[04:41] <esaym> I have no problems right now in dapper
[04:42] <esaym> kinda sucks that the dev team is not updating software though
[04:42] <esaym> besides security
[04:42] <Jucato> LTS wasn't meant to have the latest/most recent versions
[04:43] <Jucato> supported = security and bug fix updates, not version/release updates
[04:43] <esaym> Yea but "long term support" made me think that
[04:43] <gkjones> edgy is even sort of outdated..now onto Fiesty Herd...3 rd edition...seems to have good fedback on the forums.
[04:43] <flaccid0> well lts at the moment is not even fixing the bugs...
[04:43] <esaym> Too much updating
[04:43] <esaym> I just want something that works
[04:44] <esaym> But I don't want updated buggy software
[04:44] <n8k99> gkjones people who tend to try the bleeding edge, nearly always rave about how cool it is to be bleeding edge
[04:44] <esaym> I mean *outdated buggy software
[04:44] <flaccid0> esaym: why do you need to upgrade amarok?
[04:44] <esaym> I am trying to transfer some music to my ipod
[04:45] <esaym> It goes slower then in windows
[04:45] <esaym> It transfers fast until 80% then slows way way down
[04:45] <Jucato> long term support means you focus on the current set/version of packages, and provide fixes/security patches for those
[04:45] <flaccid0> well that would be a bug and covered under lts. but as if you are getting an update...
[04:45] <gkjones> correct..thats why i did not try version 1 or 2 as it was a rave...3 seems to be prettty good however. Now about this morok ipod transfer stuff....
[04:45] <Jucato> Think Debian stable
[04:45] <flaccid0> it seems to keep up with the latest versions in ubuntu you have to reinstall constantly
[04:45] <gkjones> u gota remeber that Suse and Ubuntu have both had problems in this 1 area..its all abouyt getting the dam devie mounted and staying that way.
[04:47] <Jucato> flaccid0: not necessarily. the Dappert -> Edgy upgrade was the most terrible. but they're moving to improve upgrading
[04:47] <esaym> Besides slackware and redhat 7 I have only tried kubuntu 606
[04:48] <flaccid0> i'll believe it when i see it. still upgrading can take many hours. atm a newbie has no chance in doing a successful upgrade
[04:48] <esaym> Maybe I will try debian someday
[04:48] <esaym> lol
[04:48] <gkjones> well ubuntu is debian just a p[inched version of it.
[04:48] <flaccid0> like if there is a security/bug in an LTS. i guess you have to wait up to 3/5 years for the bug to be fixed. thats the potential
[04:49] <esaym> well how is debian set up?  Do they just stay with one version and keep the software updated?
[04:49] <flaccid0> the oldest bug in dapper/amarok is nearly 1 year old.
[04:49] <esaym> or does any distro for that matter?
[04:50] <n8k99> esaym there are three branches in debian
[04:50] <n8k99> stable, unstable and expertimental
[04:50] <esaym> yes I have heard but I don't know the differences
[04:51] <n8k99> stable is equviolent to dapper
[04:51] <esaym> but is the software kept up to date?
[04:51] <flaccid0> actually a lot of the oldest bugs for apps in dapper are ~1 year. 1 year is too long for a bug fix if you ask me. if its a security bug, 1 year of vulnerability feels like a rort in terms of LTS.
[04:51] <esaym> unlike the ubuntu way of having to upgrade to edgy
[04:51] <n8k99> well established code base that works but does not have the latest versions of software
[04:51] <Morbo> *cough* backports *cough*
[04:51] <Morbo> Ubuntu provides security updates
[04:52] <flaccid0> not everything can be backported
[04:52] <Morbo> Of course.
[04:52] <n8k99> esaym unstable is the development brance it's what is coming up
[04:52] <flaccid0> but yeah i'm quoting bugs from launchpad
[04:53] <n8k99> esaym it usually has the newest versions of applications
[04:53] <n8k99> unstable become stable when there is a new release of Debian
[04:54] <n8k99> experiemental is always experiemental  and is used for testing
[04:54] <esaym> But how is the software in stable kept up to date?  do you have to do massive updates like dapper - edgy in the ubuntu world?
[04:55] <flaccid0> yep
[04:55] <esaym> bla
[04:55] <n8k99> well the thing about debian is that it can be several years between releases esaym
[04:55] <esaym> Hmm
[04:55] <n8k99> esaym debian does not operate on a schedule of regular releases
[04:56] <esaym> So you would have several years of good app support and unlike the 1 year of app support found in ubuntu?
[04:56] <gkjones> the trick esay which can be really hard to do is once u have a system going " don't do any updates" Just leave it alone
[04:56] <n8k99> in fact there are intense political debates about whether or not it is important to say that it will be released on MM-DD-YYYY
[04:57] <gkjones> unfortuntely i like to try new things so will allways be a succer for the updates and therfore the new bugs
[04:58] <gkjones> hey if u really want to try something radical try SABAYON ...now thats one slick 3d fancy distro.
[04:58] <Popoi> HI, I want to know how can I make Dolphin my deafult File Manager on KDE. Someone know how to do it?
[04:59] <esaym> yes gkjones I don't have a problem not installing updates
[05:00] <esaym> But say a new ipod comes out and the app I have does not support it and is not being updated
[05:00] <esaym> then I will have to find another app or compile one
[05:00] <esaym> I don't really like that
[05:01] <stdin> that's apples fault, not the program makers
[05:01] <n8k99> esaym if a new ipod comes out then the developer will have to get a new ipod to be able to support that new ipod
[05:01] <esaym> haha, yea that is very true
[05:01] <flaccid0> thats why i use freebsd
[05:02] <esaym> I am always amazed at how the linux work works
[05:02] <esaym> Its very amazing
[05:02] <esaym> I just don't get how so many people work for free :D
[05:03] <esaym> well it is wayyy past my bed time
[05:03] <esaym> thanks guys
[05:03] <n8k99> esaym do you mean free like beer or speech?
[05:03] <Mohole> hello
[05:03] <Mohole> can you help me?
[05:04] <esaym> haha, I'm not a dev (yet) so I don't know
[05:04] <Mohole> who can help me?
[05:04] <esaym> whats the problem?
[05:04] <esaym> just spit the question out
[05:04] <esaym> thats the irc way ;)
[05:04] <Mohole> could not start KSTARTetc etc, please check your configuration
[05:04] <n8k99> esaym now you are working for freedom!
[05:05] <Mohole> and the KDE interface does not start
[05:05] <esaym> yea totally
[05:05] <esaym> hmm, that one is over my head
[05:05] <esaym> I am going to bed
[05:05] <esaym> night all
[05:05] <Mena> Hi  :)
[05:05] <Popoi> Hi, How can I change my default windows manager on Kubuntu?
[05:05] <n8k99> Mohole: are you using a Live Cd or have you installed
[05:05] <Mohole> thanx esaym
[05:05] <Mohole> I've installed.
[05:05] <Mena> Any one Know a trip to install ubuntu with kubuntu
[05:06] <n8k99> Mena apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[05:06] <Mena> or it will work as i am installing Xp with kubuntu
[05:06] <stdin> Mena: to install Ubuntu (Gnome) on Kubuntu (KDE), just install the package "ubuntu-desktop"
[05:06] <tona_> como instalo un disco serial ata en ntfs???
[05:06] <Mena> stdin. no i wont to make seperate install
[05:06] <Popoi> anyone how can I change the deafult windows manager on Kubuntu?
[05:07] <stdin> Mena: how come?
[05:07] <tona_> how i can install a serial ata hard drive on kubuntu???
[05:07] <n8k99> Mohole: so when you boot you do not see the login screen?
[05:07] <Mena> stdin, i mean ubuntu has its desktop and system and kubuntu the same i mean every one on its partition
[05:07] <goodthing> tone: English channel here
[05:07] <goodthing> oops
[05:07] <goodthing> tona_:  English channel here
[05:07] <stdin> Popoi: sudo update-alternatives --config x-window-manager
[05:08] <Mohole> oh, yes: I see the login screen, but when I select mi user ID and password the KDE gives me the error message.
[05:08] <Mena> stdin, bec on ubuntu conflicts would happaned while using programes i try befor
[05:08] <Mena> stdin, programs of kubutu
[05:08] <n8k99> Mohole: so it starts boot kde and there is a graphical error message?
[05:09] <Mohole> graphical error, yes.
[05:09] <Mohole> it's very strange, isn't it?
[05:09] <n8k99> not very, but strange yes
[05:09] <n8k99> :)
[05:09] <stdin> Mena: you just have to make sure you have a separate root partition, they can share /home. the boot manager (grub) should detect that you have another linux install and add it to it's menu
[05:09] <Mohole> ;)
[05:10] <stdin> Mena: and there would be no conflicts tho
[05:10] <n8k99> Mohole: have you tried a terminal? crtl-alt-f1
[05:10] <Mena> stdin, Sure
[05:10] <Mena> stdin, Thanks stdin
[05:10] <Mohole> no...
[05:10] <n8k99> login and then type startx
[05:10] <Mohole> is it the same that Ctrl+Alt+Canc in Windows?
[05:11] <stdin> Mena: you can quite happily use GTK apps on KDE and Qt apps on Gnome, but if you want to install separate, go ahead :)
[05:11] <n8k99> no- ctrl+alt+f1 takes you to the command line terminal
[05:11] <Mena> stdin, okay
[05:11] <Mohole> ah, ok.
[05:11] <Mena> stdin, do you have any idea when the stable version of fiesty will be out
[05:12] <stdin> Mena: yeah, in april
[05:12] <n8k99> Mohole: you should be able to get more verbose error messages and we can find teh problem that way
[05:12] <Mohole> I can enter to the terminal from the select menu of the KDE interface
[05:12] <Mohole> and then?
[05:12] <Mena> stdin, okay
[05:12] <pete> hey is there a package I can get that makes it so i need a USB drive to 'unlock' my laptop??
[05:12] <Mohole> Ok.
[05:12] <Mohole> Very kind, n8k99.
[05:12] <Popoi> stdin: Oh, thnaks man, you're so gentile
[05:12] <Mohole> Yoy are really so gentile.
[05:13] <Mohole> Goos written, Popoi.
[05:13] <Popoi> xD
[05:13] <stdin> Mena, Popoi: heh, thanks :) no problem
[05:13] <Mohole> Good (sorry).
[05:13] <n8k99> Mohole: gentile as in not a jew????
[05:13] <Mena> stdin, thanks
[05:13] <Popoi> oh... I just try to put Gentil on english xD
[05:13] <Popoi> aah Its gentle no?
[05:13] <Mena>  stdin, ;)
[05:13] <Mohole> GENTLE!
[05:14] <Mohole> yes, sorry.
[05:14] <Popoi> :'(
[05:14] <stdin> I knew what you meant :)
[05:14] <n8k99> yes gentle!!
[05:14] <Mohole> I'm italian, and my English is really horrible...
[05:14] <Popoi> hahahaha ok.. ok.. :p
[05:14] <n8k99> hehe- so did I -
[05:14] <Popoi> I'm chilean
[05:14] <Mohole> So far...
[05:14] <Mena> What is the more secure opera or firefox
[05:14] <Mohole> and n8k99?
[05:15] <n8k99> I'm 'Merican and my english is also American
[05:15] <Mohole> Ok, guys, in this corner of winter we are crossing the ocean two times...
[05:16] <Popoi> Anyway Is there a way to remove Konkeror without damage KDE? I'm on an Ubuntu machine right now and I can't test it
[05:17] <Mohole> Ok. I'm on a WXP machine, and I can do everything.
[05:17] <stdin> Popoi: nope, konqueror is a main part ok KDE
[05:17] <Popoi> stdin: uh, I guess
[05:17] <aseigo> you could remove konqueror. you'd end up saving a whole 20k or so
[05:17] <Mohole> Is there a way to remove Kubunt from a PC without damaging it?
[05:17] <aseigo> because 99% of its functionality are in libs other apps use
[05:17] <Mohole> I mean, without damaging the sistem?
[05:17] <n8k99> oh wow!
[05:18] <n8k99> hi aseigo
[05:18] <stdin> Mohole: you mean uninstall the OS, or just the KDE part ?
[05:18] <Mohole> Uninstall all the OS.
[05:18] <Popoi> aseigo: I get it..
[05:18] <XVampireX> Yeah, haha, what aseigo said :D
[05:18] <stdin> Mohole: just format the partition
[05:18] <XVampireX> Konq is a container for kparts
[05:18] <aseigo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2932 2007-01-27 04:57 /usr/bin/konqueror
[05:18] <aseigo> aseigo@freedom:~/src$ ls -lh `which konqueror`
[05:18] <aseigo> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 2.9K 2007-01-27 04:57 /usr/bin/konqueror
[05:18] <aseigo> hehe
[05:19] <Mohole> Can I use Partition Magic, no?
[05:19] <aseigo> erp. why'd that come out twice?
[05:19] <aseigo> odd. anyways, yeah.
[05:19] <BluesKaj> use GParted Mohole
[05:19] <stdin> Mohole: yeah, or gparted/qtparted on the K/Ubuntu Desktop install DC
[05:19] <stdin> *cd
[05:19] <Mohole> Ok. Thanz.
[05:19] <aseigo> the main lib, kdeinit_konqueror, is 907k
[05:20] <zach__> checking for X error. How do I solve this?
[05:20] <aseigo> so, you'd save almost a megabyte
[05:20] <Mohole> I must delete the partition where I placed Linux, and the swap partition too?
[05:20] <zach__> hah
[05:20] <stdin> Mohole: depends what you want to install in it's place, if it's another linux, you can keep the swap
[05:21] <aseigo> zach__: you're checking for an error during an X session, or you're building a piece of software and it's saying it can't find X?
[05:21] <zach__> building
[05:21] <Mohole> I think to keep only Win. I installed Kubuntu on an old IBM Thinkpad, with poor Ram: only 256.
[05:21] <n8k99> zacn_ install xorg-dev
[05:21] <stdin> !xincludes
[05:21] <ubotu> When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   xorg-dev
[05:22] <aseigo> zach__: what are you building?
[05:22] <stdin> Mohole: then you'll need to remove the swap too, and you'll probably want to restore the windows boot loader
[05:22] <Mohole> I can use Win + OOo to write.
[05:22] <Mohole> Is it simple to restore the Win boot loader?
[05:23] <gholm> I've upgrade to edgy and somehow hosed my kde. This means when I boot, I reach a shell prompt, not a pretty GUI. How do I force my GUI to start?
[05:23] <zach__> I am building software
[05:23] <stdin> Mohole: yeah, OOo has a windows version too
[05:23] <stdin> Mohole: yeah, if you have the windows cd
[05:23] <Popoi> gholm: startx
[05:23] <Mohole> Yes, I'm using OOo under Win, and it's pretty.
[05:23] <aseigo> zach__: i got that. what piece of software? then i might be able to offer some ideas that would make the process a bit easier... since if you're missing x headers, you're probably missing other things it will need
[05:23] <Mohole> I'm a writer and journalist, and I only need a writing program.
[05:24] <Mohole> Free, is better.
[05:24] <zach__> wmblueclock
[05:24] <Mohole> Ok, so, having the Windows CD the process is simple.
[05:25] <gholm> Popoi: startx changed the video settings but it's now frozen in an odd half-shell, half KDE loading state... grr
[05:25] <gholm> I can see the shell prompt but can't type anything
[05:25] <Mohole> Ok, perfect, guys, verrry "gentile"
[05:26] <aseigo> zach__: ah, ok. so it's probably pretty low on the requirements.
[05:26] <Popoi> gholm: oops.. I'm not so pro to help you ... it's a weird problem anyway
[05:26] <zach__> what do you mean
[05:27] <Mohole> ok, tomorrow I will try to delete Kubuntu from my notebook.
[05:27] <BluesKaj> !xserver
[05:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xserver - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:27] <aseigo> zach__: i mean that it probablydoesn't depend on many other headers than x...
[05:27] <Mohole> including the swap partition.
[05:27] <BluesKaj> !xserver-xorg
[05:27] <Mohole> I hope to make all correctly.
[05:27] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.1.1ubuntu6.2 (edgy), package size 165 kB, installed size 584 kB
[05:27] <stdin> Mohole: afaik you just use the command "fixmbr" from the windows recovery console to restort the windows boot loader
[05:28] <aseigo> zach__: if it were something more complex, say a kde app, then i'd suggest doing sth like `apt-get build-dep kdebase` which would save you having to install lots of header packages by hand =)
[05:28] <Mohole> Oh, stdin, great!
[05:28] <Mohole> Very kind persons, in this channel!
[05:29] <Mohole> Ok, guys, I'll go to bed, now.
[05:29] <n8k99> thanks aseigo
[05:30] <Mohole> Thanks n8k99
[05:30] <n8k99> now maybe i can build desklist plugin for kopete
[05:30] <Mohole> Thanks stdin
[05:30] <stdin> Mohole: have a look at this page when you get a chance http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058 (the FIXMBR section)
[05:30] <stdin> :)
[05:30] <n8k99> you are welcome Mohole
[05:30] <Mohole> ok.
[05:31] <stdin> and goodnight Mohole :)
[05:31] <Mohole> I hope my editor will translate my books to english and spanish, and we will meet again in the future, or in a bookshop!
[05:31] <Mohole> or in my web page
[05:32] <mortici> how do i force apt to use a newer  version?
[05:32] <meteor-1500> hi all - i've been having problems with my 6.10 amd64 system. I can boot up in recovery mode, then start kdm and a kde session
[05:32] <meteor-1500> but if boot in the normal mode, when it gets to kdm it locks up after a few seconds
[05:33] <stdin> mortici: it should always use the latest available version
[05:34] <mortici> hmmm
[05:34] <mortici> well it didn't for me but thats ok :)
[05:34] <mortici> fixed it
[05:36] <Mohole> n8k99: I'm visiting your web page...
[05:36] <draik> Anyone know of any software to limit the bandwidth of my sister's desktop on my router?
[05:36] <draik> She's running winxp
[05:36] <draik> I'm on Kubuntu 6.10 and so is my laptop
[05:36] <n8k99> Mohole: leave a comment!
[05:37] <Mohole> ok!
[05:37] <Mohole> nice pics...
[05:37] <Mohole> can i give you my web page address?
[05:39] <Mohole> Sorry, but they don't leave me post private messages...
[05:39] <dad> yo
[05:39] <Mohole> I don't know why
[05:39] <Mohole> Can I give it here?
[05:39] <n8k99> yes
[05:39] <hammer2> hey all
[05:39] <Jucato> private messages from unregistered nicks in freenode are disabled
[05:40] <Jucato> unless the person you are talking to enables them
[05:40] <hammer2> is there away to wget and install with 1 command?
[05:40] <n8k99> Jucato!
[05:40] <Jucato> hi n8k99
[05:40] <Mohole> http://www.natalinorusso.it
[05:40] <n8k99> hammer2 you need to pipe the command i think
[05:40] <dad> i get shit with ubuntu 6.10 64amd
[05:40] <Mohole> thanx, and sorry for the public post, guys.
[05:40] <Jucato> hammer2: depends on what you're downloading/installing
[05:40] <dad> I cant run any p2p
[05:40] <hammer2> http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/download.pl?arch=i386&file=pool%2Funiverse%2Fa%2Famsn%2Famsn_0.94-1_i386.deb&md5sum=5d21b24089397337c604e9bf3cce4b79&arch=i386&type=main
[05:41] <hammer2> that
[05:41] <Jucato> hammer2: why do you need to download the .deb for it?
[05:41] <stdin> hammer2: and you can't use "sudo apt-get install amsn" why?
[05:41] <hammer2> i did that but it says theres an update and takes me to their page
[05:42] <Jucato> hammer2: just install from the repositories. using Adept Manager or apt-get (what stdin said)
[05:42] <dad> anyone can give me a hand
[05:42] <stdin> !p2p | dad
[05:42] <ubotu> dad: Conventional P2P clients: Limewire/GTK-Gnutella/Frostwire (Gnutella Network).  -  BitTorrent: see !torrent  -  Direct connect: try valknut.  -  Also see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/P2PFileSharing for general information.
[05:42] <Admiral_Chicago> dad: ask
[05:42] <Admiral_Chicago> actually way too busy tonight, typing a paper.
[05:42] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: did you see my shiny new cloak? :)
[05:43] <Jucato> hehe good luck w/ your paper :)
[05:43] <Mohole> ok guys, i go to sleep.
[05:43] <Mohole> bye.
[05:43] <Admiral_Chicago> congrats! i need to do that soon, I feel odd after the LP debacle
[05:43] <n8k99> nighty night
[05:44] <Admiral_Chicago> maybe i'll put my application in after all, gotta talk to Richard about it. he's been pushing me to go to it
[05:45] <Jucato> you go Admiral_Chicago!! :)
[05:45] <dad> i want any p2p run on 64amd easily
[05:45] <xsacha> yep they run on amd64
[05:45] <Jucato> dad: try ktorrent (installed by default) for torrents
[05:46] <Admiral_Chicago> ktorrent is very nice..
[05:46] <Popoi> dad: install amule
[05:46] <dad> yea amule
[05:46] <drbeams> !java
[05:46] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository
[05:46] <draik> Hey Jucato
[05:46] <Jucato> hi draik!
[05:46] <dad> how can i install it?
[05:46] <dad> i try but
[05:47] <Popoi> dad: on a terminal type sudo apt-get install amule
[05:47] <Jucato> !amule | dad
[05:47] <ubotu> dad: amule: client for the eD2k and Kad networks, like eMule. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.3-1 (edgy), package size 1239 kB, installed size 3368 kB
[05:47] <draik> How is everything Jucato
[05:47] <Popoi> dad: or you can intall it from adept if you are using Kubuntu
[05:47] <Jucato> draik: doing good. playing around w/ Beryl
[05:47] <draik> Jucato: I got Beryl to work, but now it just crapped out
[05:48] <Admiral_Chicago> composite is crap, i want to see what they put in Feisty. It broke my X on Edgy
[05:48] <draik> here is a link to my video clip from when I was playing with Beryl...
[05:48] <dad> yes but terminal says "sudo apt-get install amule"
[05:48] <draik> http://www.draikunderlord.com/iris.mpg
[05:48] <dad> sorry
[05:48] <dad> E: Couldn't find package amule
[05:48] <xsacha> The requested URL /iris.mpg was not found on this server.
[05:48] <draik> sorry...
[05:48] <draik> http://www.draikunderlord.com/iris.mpeg
[05:48] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: haven't you heard? that spec for beryl on feisty is deferred
[05:48] <draik> Jucato: ^^^^^
[05:49] <Admiral_Chicago> what? Jucato no way. I gotta get to the LP specification tracker
[05:49] <xsacha> hmm thats slow draik.. cause of the capturing software?
[05:49] <Popoi> dad: you must activate the multiverse and universe repositories
[05:49] <Mena> Bye all For a While With +GOD+ Bless
[05:49] <Mena> And Thanks
[05:49] <kai> wasup
[05:49] <crazy_bus> Does anyone know how to compile gimp 2.3.  I'm trying to compile it but I'm getting this error http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4554/
[05:50] <dad> when i type "sudo apt-get install amule" i get "E: Couldn't find package amule"
[05:50] <Jucato> dad: check if you have the universe repository enabled
[05:50] <Popoi> dad: I said that
[05:50] <kai> do any know the name of an wep/wpa cracker for kubuntu 6.1
[05:51] <Popoi> dad: enable the repos, check this URL https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/kubuntu/desktopguide/C/extra-repositories.html
[05:51] <dad> exactly i get this "
[05:51] <dad> Password:
[05:51] <dad> Reading package lists... Done
[05:51] <dad> Building dependency tree... Done
[05:51] <dad> E: Couldn't find package amule
[05:51] <Jucato> !repositories | dad
[05:51] <ubotu> dad: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[05:52] <wletang> Printing to Windows XP printer from Kubuntu, any have a problem doing this?
[05:52] <draik> Jucato: Did you check out the video?
[05:52] <draik> it's a bit choppy though... sorry
[05:52] <Jucato> draik: still checking. sorry, a bit buried under tons of things to read..
[05:52] <kai> does any one have any suggestions
[05:52] <draik> wletang: Nope. I did it before. Didn't have any issues
[05:52] <wletang> I seem to have one
[05:53] <draik> wletang: What is your issue?
[05:53] <draik> maybe I can help
[05:53] <wletang> I am using a D-link router and my printer is hooked up the winXP machine, I can see shared file but not able to access printer?
[05:54] <draik> so...
[05:54] <draik> your printer is on the router or connected to the computer?
[05:54] <wletang> computer
[05:54] <draik> and the computer is winxp, correct?
[05:54] <wletang> yes
[05:55] <wletang> hp 695C
[05:55] <draik> and you want the other computer on the router to print to that computer, correct?
[05:55] <draik> Is the other computer Kubuntu?
[05:55] <wletang> yes, I want ot print something from Kubuntu to winxp printer
[05:55] <xsacha> draik: http://youtube.com/watch?v=2eDI4-IH58s :)
[05:55] <wletang> no WinXP
[05:56] <draik> Both are winxp?
[05:56] <draik> Thank you xsacha, I have it loading
[05:57] <Minataku> kai: aircrack airsnort wepcrack
[05:57] <Minataku> I know the first two are real
[05:57] <Minataku> I might have made the last one up on accident
[05:57] <wletang> I am using a machine with Kubuntu, I have another machine with WINXP onit with a printer hooke dup to it
[05:57] <Minataku> I also left out a whole lot >.>
[05:57] <wletang> I want to use thta printer from this machine
[05:58] <xsacha> draik: this one good too http://youtube.com/watch?v=T67kricXYRE   ... :) i love beryl heh
[05:58] <Minataku> But it's a start, right? (Sorry >.< )
[05:59] <kai> Minataku: I have airsnort, it keeps telling me
[06:00] <kai> ...permission denied
[06:00] <xsacha> draik: this is new Expo mode in beryl and it allows drag and drop: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4cdWG5xEic
[06:00] <kai> I have this ksniffer but i can't use to decrypt packets
[06:01] <draik> xsacha: I wish I had what they had. I have a really crappy time with Beryl now. I can't get it to behave the way I had it before
[06:02] <Minataku> kai: Run it with sudo
[06:02] <Minataku> airsnort, that is
[06:02] <xsacha> :P
[06:02] <xsacha> draik: what videocard?
[06:02] <draik> nVidia
[06:02] <draik> I have my video and monitor all setup
[06:02] <draik> but I don't know what happened.
[06:03] <kai> Minataku: Do I need to have a certain kind of wifi carf
[06:03] <draik> I was just playing with my settings and then it crapped out
[06:03] <xsacha> using nvidia 9xxx drivers?
[06:03] <kai> *card
[06:03] <kai> Im have a netgear atheros based card
[06:03] <Minataku> kai: Some cards are screwy/buggy
[06:03] <xsacha> draik: not using Xgl hopefully :P
[06:03] <kai> Its tellin me failed to open device
[06:03] <draik> I have the generic GeForce driver
[06:03] <Minataku> kai: That's weird
[06:03] <draik> I think I might be xsacha
[06:04] <xsacha> gah
[06:04] <Minataku> Usually it'll fail with some weird message then complain in dmesg
[06:04] <kai> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 166
[06:04] <kai>   Major opcode:  144
[06:04] <kai>   Minor opcode:  3
[06:04] <kai>   Resource id:  0x0
[06:04] <kai> Failed to open device
[06:04] <xsacha> use nvidia 9xxx + nothing
[06:04] <meteor-1500> hi all - i've been having problems with my 6.10 amd64 system. I can boot up in recovery mode, then start kdm and a kde session
[06:04] <Minataku> Piyoko (my system) has a card like that
[06:04] <meteor-1500> but if boot in the normal mode, when it gets to kdm it locks up after a few seconds
[06:04] <xsacha> much faster
[06:04] <kai> Thats what it keeps tellling
[06:04] <kai> me
[06:04] <draik> ok.
[06:04] <Minataku> kai: Oh, that's an X error
[06:04] <meteor-1500> any ideas?
[06:04] <xsacha> Xgl is hacky, crashes all the time, eats all your RAM, i hate it
[06:04] <draik> xsacha: I had it auto-detect my video card and everything functions properly
[06:04] <Minataku> kai: Aaargh... I don't know how to fix that, sorry
[06:04] <kai> how can I fix that that
[06:05] <kai> man...
[06:05] <Minataku> It might be related to Kubuntu's default enabling of wacom devices
[06:05] <xsacha> yeah it functions, but that's not enough for me
[06:05] <ask_> hello Kubuntu'ers. Anybody have time to help me get Japanese Input in Openffice? (it works everywhere else)
[06:05] <kai> is there any alternative
[06:05] <xsacha> kai: you can ignore that open device thing
[06:05] <xsacha> just wacom
[06:05] <Minataku> Why the hell is wacom defined as present in X11 in Kubuntu WHEN HARDLY ANYONE HAS A DAMN WACOM TABLET
[06:06] <Minataku> I hope that's fixed in Edgy
[06:06] <xsacha> nup, it's not
[06:06] <Minataku> xsacha: Yeah, it is, actually
[06:06] <draik> xsacha: So, what driver am I to get exactly?
[06:06] <xsacha> i on edgy and default one has wacom
[06:06] <Jucato> Minataku: it's not for a *wacom* tablet per se
[06:06] <draik> I have GeForce FX 5700LS 256MB
[06:06] <Jucato> and please, easy on the CAPS
[06:06] <Minataku> Jucato: Sorry, I tend to yell when I encounter asinine things
[06:06] <xsacha> draik: well latest nvidia ones.. 97xx
[06:07] <Jucato> Minataku: those wacom entries are for pointing devices, which include the rubber thingies in some (laptop) keyboards
[06:07] <kai> holy hell
[06:07] <Minataku> Jucato: None of those are Wacom
[06:07] <kai> Its working, I dunno how
[06:07] <Minataku> They're all PS2
[06:07] <draik> xsacha: under Drivers or Manufacturers?
[06:07] <Minataku> *PS/2
[06:07] <xsacha> draik: 9746, it's not in ubuntu repositories i think, get them off lupines repo
[06:07] <Minataku> At least every one I've ever seen is
[06:07] <Jucato> we're not talking about "tablets" here
[06:08] <Minataku> Jucato: I understand that
[06:08] <draik> xsacha: Got a way to get them from that repo?
[06:08] <kai> Minataku: how would I go about integrating this with aricrack
[06:08] <Minataku> To quote Chris Rock... "Do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth?"
[06:08] <xsacha> draik: http://nvidia.limitless.lupine.me.uk/
[06:08] <Jucato> Minataku: those entries handle any pointing device (other than the mouse)
[06:08] <draik> Minataku: That wasn't Chris Rock, that was Chris Tucker
[06:08] <Minataku> draik: Oops, thanks
[06:09] <Minataku> Wrong comedian
[06:10] <Minataku> Jucato: All the pointing devices I've come across other than touchpads were PS/2; standard serial mouse type
[06:10] <Minataku> As for touchpads, I don't know of anyone but Synaptics that makes them
[06:10] <Jucato> Minataku: not talking about how they're connected to the computer, but how X sees/controls them
[06:10] <ask_> Like another comedian said "I don't get no respect".
[06:10] <ask_> So about japanese input in openoffice...
[06:11] <ask_> anybody got time?
[06:11] <Minataku> Jucato: Rather, it's where X is looking to pick up the device... from all I've heard it's looking at /dev/wacom
[06:11] <Minataku> Which exists solely for Wacom writing tablets AFAIK
[06:13] <Minataku> Eh... sorry
[06:13] <Minataku> I'll just drop it
[06:13] <Jucato> !baddevice
[06:13] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168 then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[06:13] <draik> xsacha: I keep getting this error...
[06:13] <draik> xsacha: E: Malformed line 81 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse)
[06:13] <Minataku> My apologies
[06:14] <Minataku> Jucato: Actually, he was getting 166
[06:14] <surgy> hi
[06:14] <surgy> im trying to install guildawars and it asked for disk two and my cdrom wont open, why i "eject /media/cdrom0" it says the device is busy
[06:14] <Jucato> Minataku: it says similar, not exactly
[06:14] <Minataku> Ah
[06:14] <Jucato> the number varies
[06:14] <sampan> ask_  i don't do japanese, just chinese, but the how-to here ( https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SCIM/Kubuntu  ) worked just fine for me
[06:14] <Minataku> My bad... again
[06:14] <meteor-1500> i'm on an x86_64 system, is there a way to use the configure; make stuff to compilie it for x86?
[06:14] <Minataku> Sorry... again
[06:15] <surgy> nvm i got it
[06:15] <Minataku> meteor-1500: If you want x86 stuff just boot the x86 LiveCD and install as x86
[06:15] <xsacha> draik: you went to the site?
[06:15] <sampan> ask_  you might have to change a few things from chinese to japanese, but once skim is working, you should have no troubles inputting japanese into OOo
[06:15] <meteor-1500> Minataku: that doesn't work on my system i've tried
[06:15] <draik> Yup
[06:15] <xsacha> thats all i know :)
[06:15] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Really? O.o
[06:15] <Minataku> What's the error?
[06:15] <draik> xsacha: I just blocked out the first link with a hash (#) and it let me get the updates
[06:15] <draik> DONE
[06:15] <xsacha> :P
[06:16] <xsacha> and you'll need to dump Xgl
[06:16] <meteor-1500> Minataku: won't even boot, just oop's, tried for ages to fix it no go, but amd64 works fine
[06:16] <meteor-1500> now what i'm trying to do is compile an x86 version of mplayer which should still work with lib32
[06:17] <draik> xsacha: How do I dump XGL and how do I select the 9xxx driver?
[06:17] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Ouch... this involves cross-compiling
[06:17] <Jucato> Minataku: wacom - for tablet pc's
[06:17] <Minataku> Which, believe it or not, I've never done before
[06:17] <Minataku> Jucato: AH!
[06:17] <meteor-1500> Minataku: yeah that was my idea
[06:17] <ask_> Hey Sampan, thanks. I will try it out!
[06:17] <Minataku> Jucato: It all makes sense now
[06:17] <meteor-1500> unless there's a way i can install the 32 bit mplayer packages
[06:17] <Minataku> I didn't even think of those things
[06:17] <sampan> ask_  hope it works -- that page has instructions for both dapper and edgy ... worked fine for me :)
[06:18] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Why are you using Kubuntu if you're clearly a power user?
[06:18] <draik> xsacha: I still don't see a 9xxx driver.
[06:18] <stdin> meteor-1500: you can, if you download the deb and use the "--force-arch" option of dpkg
[06:18] <meteor-1500> Minataku: just makes some things work a bit better with less stuffing around than debian
[06:18] <ask_> I'll be back :)
[06:18] <stdin> meteor-1500: opps, that's "--force-architecture"
[06:19] <meteor-1500> desktop type stuff
[06:19] <meteor-1500> stdin: ah ok thanks
[06:19] <Minataku> meteor-1500: I'd suggest Gentoo, personally
[06:20] <meteor-1500> Minataku: ah never mind, just found someone has written a complete howto on getting it to work
[06:20] <Minataku> lol
[06:20] <stdin> I thought there was a configure option
[06:20] <stdin> like --host=something
[06:21] <Minataku> stdin: It still requires a cross-compilation environment
[06:21] <meteor-1500> hrmm maybe not
[06:21] <meteor-1500> the patch file it refers to is a 404
[06:21] <eimar> Venezuela presente
[06:21] <draik> xsacha: BRB... Gotta take out the trash
[06:21] <stdin> Minataku: yeah, I guessed that much :P
[06:22] <stdin> I've only "cross-compiled" for optimisation, like 686 instead of 486
[06:22] <stdin> which is (relatively) simple
[06:23] <Minataku> That's not even cross-compilation
[06:23] <Minataku> Cross-compilation is when you're compiling for a different architecture
[06:24] <stdin> that's why I quoted the term
[06:24] <Minataku> stdin: Yes, but even quoted it was incorrect usage
[06:25] <stdin> Minataku: that's because I don't know the correct term, besides "optimisation"
[06:25] <Jucato> s/cross-compiled/compiled
[06:25] <Jucato> there, everybody's happy
[06:25] <stdin> heh :)
[06:25] <Minataku> Jucato: sed isn't
[06:25] <Minataku> You failed to close your script
[06:25] <Jucato> and it's not a script
[06:25] <draik> xsacha: I'm back
[06:26] <meteor-1500> ok, that's fixed, other problem i have is i can boot fine in recovery mode, then run kdm, but boooting normally it freezes two seconds after kdm appears
[06:26] <Minataku> It's a sed script
[06:26] <Minataku> Check the manpage for sed
[06:26] <meteor-1500> anyone got any ideas on that?
[06:26] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Video issue
[06:26] <stdin> sed isn't called in the irc client, so how can it be a script ?
[06:26] <Jucato> do you have to take everything *literally*
[06:26] <Minataku> Jucato: I'm an engineer(ing student)
[06:26] <meteor-1500> Minataku: hrmm ok, because the graphics are all fine in both boot types, and both the same
[06:26] <Minataku> If it's not correct within tolerance it's wrong
[06:27] <meteor-1500> Minataku: only difference is in normal mode it freezes on the login page
[06:27] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Failsafe more than likely uses the VESA X11 driver
[06:27] <meteor-1500> Minataku: what should i do to try fixing it?
[06:27] <meteor-1500> Minataku: well it comes up in just a bash prompt
[06:27] <crimsun> Minataku: it's not a script; it's a regular expression. There is a difference.
[06:28] <meteor-1500> then i run kdm which proceeds fine, maybe it's due to the graphics mode splashscreen stuff using rivafb or something?
[06:28] <stdin> Minataku: no, if you start KDM from recovery mode, it will use the standard xorg.conf
[06:28] <Draxer> I am trying to get display in system settings to work. Read forums and found a possable solution... reinstall kde-guidence.  If I try I get "System startup links for /etc/init.d/displayconfig-hwprobe.py already exist" Why is this?
[06:28] <Minataku> crimsun: Check the manpage
[06:28] <Minataku> stdin: Really? Hm
[06:29] <Jucato> crimsun: that's what you get for feeding a pseudo-t**ll... a dev being told to read the man page :P
[06:29] <crimsun> Minataku: I advise _you_ to reread the man page.
[06:30] <stdin> Draxer: dose it fail the reinstall, or just continue ?
[06:30] <Minataku>        s/regexp/replacement/
[06:30] <crimsun> and it's a "man page", not a "manpage".
[06:30] <Draxer> stdin: thats the last line no other comments
[06:31] <Draxer> stdin: So I am guessing fail
[06:31] <Jucato> Draxer: how are you tring to reinstall it?
[06:31] <Minataku> The regular expression is inside the script, or at least that's what it looks like to me
[06:31] <stdin> Draxer: unless it says it's failed, then it didn't, it's probably just a warning that can be ignored
[06:31] <Minataku> But let's get back to helping
[06:32] <Draxer> Jucato: "sudo apt-get install --reinstall kde-guidance" In Konsole
[06:32] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Is it completely frozen? Like the entire system is locked up?
[06:33] <Jucato> Draxer: looks good. and stdin is most probably correct. it's just an informational statement
[06:33] <Draxer> stdin: It stops the install though
[06:33] <Minataku> Jucato: Does the Kubuntu default kernel have Magic SysRq enabled?
[06:34] <stdin> Draxer: run the command in konsole and pastebin the output so I can have a look
[06:34] <crimsun> Minataku: of course it does.
[06:34] <stdin> !pastebin
[06:34] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:34] <Minataku> crimsun: Excellent
[06:37] <meteor-1500> Minataku: it freezes completely, caps lock, num lock lights won't change
[06:37] <Draxer> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4556/
[06:37] <meteor-1500> Minataku: as far as i can possibly see it's frozen
[06:38] <stdin> Draxer: that looks fine, the reinstall worked, if it didn't you'd see some dplg errors at the end
[06:38] <stdin> dpkg rather
[06:39] <Minataku> meteor-1500: I assume you have to manually power off when this happens?
[06:39] <meteor-1500> Minataku: yep
[06:40] <Minataku> Next time, try Alt+SysRq+S then wait at least 30s then Alt+SysRq+U then Alt+SysRq+B
[06:40] <Draxer> Oh... Back to the forums then... unless anyone has any ideas
[06:40] <Minataku> If it's actually locked up, there will be no response
[06:40] <meteor-1500> ah ok
[06:40] <Minataku> To the last one, specifically, which will reboot the computer if it's not locked up
[06:40] <meteor-1500> never tried those
[06:40] <Minataku> S will sync everything (give it 30s to be safe)
[06:41] <Draxer> Thanks btw stdin and Jucato
[06:41] <xsacha> Minataku: why not sysrq + alt + K ? :)
[06:41] <stdin> your welcome :)
[06:41] <meteor-1500> thanks,
[06:41] <xsacha> that will kill everything and restart X bck
[06:41] <Draxer> :)
[06:41] <Minataku> xsacha: Well, yeah, I guess but then it'd just freeze again
[06:41] <Minataku> But yeah, if you want to, test it with K first
[06:42] <Minataku> If X is killed off then comes back it's not locked up
[06:42] <meteor-1500> ok
[06:42] <xsacha> why would it freeze again..
[06:42] <meteor-1500> no idea
[06:42] <Minataku> Have you tried changing to VTs when it's supposedly frozen?
[06:42] <meteor-1500> yeah didn't make any difference doing that
[06:42] <Minataku> xsacha: Because the initial problem is it freezing at the login screen
[06:42] <meteor-1500> just didn't change
[06:42] <Minataku> meteor-1500: Then try the SysRq functions
[06:42] <meteor-1500> yep ok
[06:43] <xsacha> it just freezes every single time at login screen? that sucks since ubuntu starts X straight away
[06:43] <Minataku> K first to test, if it does nothing you're boned and that's that
[06:43] <Minataku> In which case reboot in maintenance mode and check /var/log/messages
[06:43] <CaptainMorgan> is anyone famiar with KDevelopC/C++ ? Im trying to see if there's a way to set Show Line Numbers by default; I don't see a setting in Configure/Settings.
[06:43] <Minataku> In case there was a kernel panic we weren't able to see
[06:43] <meteor-1500> ok yep
[06:44] <Minataku> crimsun: Is Kubuntu set up to reboot on panic or just halt flat?
[06:44] <crimsun> crimsun@FUN:~$ cat /proc/sys/kernel/panic*
[06:44] <crimsun> 0
[06:44] <crimsun> 0
[06:44] <crimsun> 0
[06:45] <crimsun> (it won't reboot.)
[06:45] <Minataku> I believe that's a halt, which is... yeah
[06:45] <Minataku> lol
[06:45] <Minataku> Thanks
[06:45] <Jucato> CaptainMorgan: try #kdevelop
[06:45] <Minataku> BTW, crimsun and Jucato, sorry about that earlier
[06:45] <crimsun> np.
[06:46] <CaptainMorgan> thanks Jucato, didn't know the channel existed :)
[06:49] <lenoxx> what's the maximum priority that i can assign something with in update-alternatives?
[06:49] <lenoxx> is there some sort of MAX constant?
[06:50] <lenoxx> i am trying to set the priority on something so high that no matter what gets installed, my particular program stays up at the highest priority and all i have to worry about is calling update-alternatives --auto <program> if even that
[06:50] <lenoxx> so... how would i do that without using magic numbers like 100 or 3000?
[06:53] <crimsun> lenoxx: no, there is no defined max.
[06:54] <stevenn> how can i set a dual boot for kubuntu?
[06:54] <stevenn> i have windows on my machine now...im trying to set linux on the other partition
[06:54] <stdin> the installer can do that for you
[06:55] <stevenn> automatically?
[06:55] <stevenn> which option is it though?
[06:55] <stevenn> cause there was an option to manually do it and i totally got lost
[06:56] <stdin> it'll be something like resize existing partition and install on free space, then it will detect windows and set up dual boot
[06:56] <akrus> lol looks great
[06:56] <kamui> whats the name of a good media player thats kde specific?  noatun trys to run everything but apparently doesn't even play any video
[06:57] <stevenn> oh i have to install linux first stdin?
[06:57] <dad> Popi: thank you for your hand.
[06:57] <dad>  jucato: thank you for your hand.
[06:57] <akrus> I cannot connect to anywhere
[06:57] <akrus> but I'm somehow connected to IRC...
[06:57] <dad> all guys thank you
[06:57] <stevenn> oh sorry...i thought you said delete windows
[06:57] <stevenn> alright
[06:57] <stdin> stevenn: it will be setup during the install
[06:57] <stevenn> alright:)
[06:57] <stevenn> ill check it out!
[06:58] <dad> now i know why linux is beautiful world
[06:58] <stdin> stevenn: you can always come back here when you're installing for extra help :)
[06:58] <Jucato> dad: you're very much welcome
[06:58] <dad> and why especially ubuntu
[06:59] <eddy> hei
[06:59] <stdin> kamui: how about kaffeine, or kmplayer
[06:59] <kamui> Ill try both
[07:00] <kamui> stdin: I really need to play win32 formats, so do you know if they work with those codecs well?  I had some issues with gnomes totem player not playing win32 codecs well
[07:00] <dad> bye guys. i see soon
[07:00] <Jucato> bye dad
[07:01] <stdin> kamui: I know kaffeine can use them, and kmplayer should too
[07:01] <Jucato> kaffeine (or rather xine engine) needs the w32codecs for windows media
[07:01] <Jucato> (wmv, wma, and real media)
[07:01] <eddy> ping mr
[07:01] <eddy> ping me
[07:02] <stdin> aka: the evil codecs
[07:02] <Jucato> eddy: ping?
[07:02] <kamui> totem is xine engine as well afaik, only mplayer would play these vids though
[07:02] <kamui> I just want ot stick with the look and feel of kde as much as possible
[07:02] <Jucato> kamui: totem is using gstreamer by default on ubuntu afaik
[07:02] <stdin> !media
[07:02] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[07:02] <kamui> jucato: ok, well Ill try kaffene then
[07:02] <Jucato> kamui: what media/format are you trying to play?
[07:03] <Jucato> take note that even w/ w32codecs, DRM'ed media will not play
[07:03] <kamui> also this could be a stupid question, but whats up with kde 3.80, is that kde 4?  I've seen references to that being the case though it seems to not make sense by version numbers alone.
[07:03] <kamui> Jucato: non of my media is drm
[07:03] <kamui> I hate wmv anyway
[07:03] <Jucato> kamui: it's a development snapshot of kde 4
[07:03] <Jucato> 3.80 = not 4 yet :)
[07:03] <kamui> aah
[07:04] <kamui> well whats the latest unstable version of kde that is "useable"
[07:04] <Jucato> hm...
[07:04] <kamui> I think im running 3.55? which is latest stable
[07:04] <Jucato> 3.5.6 latest stable
[07:04] <kamui> well, I knew it was 3.5 something
[07:04] <stdin> 3.5.6 is stable so far
[07:04] <kamui> whatever is in the ubuntu tree
[07:05] <Jucato> kamui: libxine-extracodecs for avi, mp3, aac, etc
[07:05] <kamui> just wondering what the "bleeding edge" is thats useable
[07:05] <stdin> 3.5.6 is default in feisty, there is also a kubuntu.org repo for it
[07:05] <kamui> Jucato: mainly I need xvid support and rm
[07:05] <Jucato> kamui: that's as bleeding edge *and* usable as you can get
[07:05] <kamui> lol :)
[07:05] <Jucato> kamui: xvid = avi = libxine-extracodecs
[07:06] <Jucato> rm = windows media = w32codecs
[07:06] <stdin> libxine-extracodecs = libxine1-ffmpeg
[07:07] <Jucato> oh I forgot mpeg
[07:07] <stdin> .. for feisty anyway
[07:07] <Jucato> really? they changed the name *again*?
[07:08] <stdin> yeah, libxine-extracodecs is now a meta package depending on libxine1-ffmpeg
[07:08] <kamui> libxine1-ffmpeg doesn't exist in edgy repos ithink
[07:08] <stdin> (which is in main)
[07:08] <kamui> ohhhhh, I get it
 .. for feisty anyway
[07:08] <Jucato> kamui: ^^^
[07:09] <stdin> mp3 support in main, interesting :P
[07:09] <Jucato> ow?
[07:09] <stdin> yep
[07:09] <Jucato> hm...
[07:09] <Jucato> interesting is... hm.. nvm
[07:10] <stdin> (feisty) mp3 support is from libxine1-ffmpeg, which is in main. not sure how that works, but hey :)
[07:10] <kamui> ok, one more question, I installed beryl with kde wokrin pretty nice
[07:10] <kamui> wondering if there is a kde dock app I can use to replace the standard taskbar
[07:11] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: no worries. just verified it from ubotu
[07:11] <Admiral_Chicago> :)
[07:11] <kamui> wait, better question
[07:11] <kamui> what would I use to burn media dvd's in kde
[07:12] <Jucato> !beryl | kamui
[07:12] <ubotu> kamui: Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:12] <Jucato> for the first question ^^
[07:12] <Admiral_Chicago> oh, we changed the channel.
[07:12] <kamui> wait, I already have beryl working fine using (eech) xgl
[07:12] <kamui> I was just wondering about a docking app
[07:12] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: yeah. avoids lots of misconceptions
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> kamui: to do what? I don't think I understand by taskbar..
[07:13] <kamui> make my mac buddies sweat beads of jealousy
[07:13] <Jucato> kamui: I meant that the people in there would know which things would work w/ beryl
[07:13] <kamui> jucato: got ya
[07:13] <kamui> jucato: what about a dvd media burning app
[07:13] <kamui> jucato: I haven't even tried to burn a dvd in kde
[07:13] <Admiral_Chicago> K3b
[07:13] <stdin> k3b works
[07:14] <kamui> will k3b burn video into a dvd video?
[07:14] <kamui> or just burn data dvd's
[07:14] <kamui> dvds
[07:14] <stdin> if you make it DVD format first
[07:14] <stdin> there are other apps that can make the DVD file tree tho
[07:14] <theshadow> I'm trying to setup the firefox mplayer plugin but when I run the ./configure script I'm getting this error "configure: error: Unable to find mozilla or firefox development files" does anyone know what its talking about?
[07:14] <kamui> hmm, I better read a howto of some sort on dvd video burning in ubuntu
[07:15] <kamui> I lied, I have one more question
[07:15] <kamui> possible to mount isos in kde without using the console?
[07:15] <Jucato> !mozilla-mplayer | theshadow
[07:15] <ubotu> theshadow: mozilla-mplayer: MPlayer-Plugin for Mozilla. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 3.31-1 (edgy), package size 467 kB, installed size 1616 kB
[07:15] <stdin> theshadow: 1) why not install the packaged version? 2) you'll need the -dev package to compile it
[07:15] <Jucato> kamui: lol!! what a coincidence
[07:15] <stdin> !kiso
[07:15] <ubotu> kiso: program to create manipulate and extract CD Image. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.3-0ubuntu3 (edgy), package size 343 kB, installed size 1048 kB
[07:15] <Jucato> kamui: ^^
[07:16] <kamui> why coincidence?
[07:16] <Jucato> kamui: * Jucato is listening to Myuji - eX dream (X TV OST) from AnimeNfo Radio | Your Source For The Best Anime Music! | AAC+ Relay! [Amarok]  <-- just came up in the online radio
[07:16] <kamui> oh
[07:16] <kamui> :)
[07:16] <kamui> X1999
[07:16] <kamui> you busted me :)
[07:17] <kamui> that _IS_ quite a coincidence
[07:17] <Jucato> duh! you forgot? you said months ago that I was the first person to ever get your nick :P
[07:17] <Jucato> anyway, back to the topic lol
[07:17] <kamui> lolol thats right
[07:21] <ask_> *sigh* Well, I am back again after trying to get japanese input in openoffice for two hours
[07:21] <ask_> does anyone here know how to help
[07:21] <ask_> I have tried the wiki
[07:22] <Jucato> maybe there's an OO.o channel?
[07:22] <kamui> Jucato: kiso can't be run as a regular user?
[07:22] <Jucato> kamui: ask stdin...
[07:22] <underdog5004> who needs kiso help?
[07:23] <kamui> I do
[07:23] <kamui> it wont open my dvd iso image
[07:23] <kamui> crashes when I try
[07:23] <underdog5004> kamui, are you making an iso from a dvd or what?
[07:23] <kamui> I have an iso of a dvd that I would like to edit
[07:24] <Jordan_U> sombody here using Dapper without many / any gnome libs mind pastebining what packages would be installed if you installed ubuntu-desktop
[07:24] <kamui> I was actually hoping that I could just "mount" it and edit it without having to manually mount it from the cnosole
[07:24] <underdog5004> kamui, oh...lol, I have no idea...sorry
[07:24] <underdog5004> try man kiso
[07:24] <kamui> meh, its not a big deal, probably less work if I just write a script to mount the iso when its double clicked
[07:25] <kamui> unmounting will unfortunately have to be controlled manually from the console
[07:25] <kamui> which I didn't want to do
[07:25] <kamui> I like when my interface is uniform
[07:25] <Jordan_U> I basically want to know what packages to remove to switch from Ubuntu to pure Kubuntu
[07:25] <kamui> otherwise I would have stayed with xfce
[07:25] <kamui> is that even possible Jordan_U
[07:26] <kamui> I feel like any of the gnome packages are somehow tied into the main ubuntu system
[07:26] <Jordan_U> kamui: I don't see why it wouldn't be, seems fairly strait foreward to me
[07:26] <kamui> I tried to remove totem once, it threatened to basically uninstall everything
[07:26] <kamui> jordan_u: then try sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[07:26] <kamui> and apt-get remove gnome
[07:26] <kamui> see if that works without removing critical dependencies
[07:26] <stdin> Jordan_U: you should just be able to remove ubuntu-desktop, then do "sudo apt-get autoremove"
[07:27] <Jordan_U> stdin: *should* :) but can't
[07:27] <theshadow> Jucato: ty
[07:27] <stdin> Jordan_U: what dose apt-get autoremove do?
[07:27] <Jordan_U> stdin: plus I want to know the packages for Dapper which doesn't have autoremove
[07:28] <stdin> Jordan_U: ahh, dapper... hmm
[07:28] <kamui> ok, well ill let you geniuses work this one out, Im gonna get some Zzzs
[07:28] <kamui> thanks big time stdin and Jucato
[07:28] <kamui> I gotta drop in more often ;)
[07:28] <stdin> kamui: no problem :)
[07:28] <Jucato> kamui: you:re welcome. just try not to bring about the end of the world ok?
[07:28] <kamui> lol
[07:28] <Jordan_U> stdin: Even with autoremove it just removes the meta-package because you never "installed" ubuntu-desktop it and all it's dependencies were just there, unless you used the alternate install CD which does use apt to install ubuntu-desktop...
[07:29] <kamui> Im a dragon of earth, what can I say
[07:30] <stdin> Jordan_U: if the meta package is removed, then it's dependencies are orphaned and autoremove want to remove them, I've use it to remove gnome on another machine
[07:31] <stdin> Jordan_U: but on dapper, I don't know of a simple way to do it
[07:31] <Jordan_U> stdin: So have I, that only works if you installed using the alternate install CD, I have tried many times
[07:32] <stdin> Jordan_U: I've used it on a system that was installed with the desktop cd, don't know why it didn't work for you
[07:32] <Jordan_U> stdin: meh? who knows, do you have a kubuntu dapper machine or liveCD?
[07:33] <stdin> Jordan_U: It was on a friends dapper system, installed with the dapper desktop cd. but I'm not running dapper here
[07:34] <Jordan_U> stdin: If you run apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, say no and copy the output of the list of packages it would have installed, I can just run apt-get remove <list of packages>
[07:34] <stdin> sure...
[07:34] <Jordan_U> stdin: It worked with Breezy :)
[07:37] <ForgeAus> hey all
[07:38] <ForgeAus> how do I sort out a DHCP for a PXE server from kubuntu?
[07:38] <ForgeAus> I'm already a DCHP client myself
[07:38] <stdin> Jordan_U: http://pastebin.ca/343722 (I also have synaptic install, so you'll need to add that)
[07:38] <Jordan_U> stdin: Thanks :)
[07:38] <stdin> np :)
[07:38] <ForgeAus> can you do PXE from a computer that itself is a DCHP client? (do you use DHCP relay instead of DHCP server?)
[07:41] <Philip5> ForgeAus: yes you can setup a pxe server on a dchp server if that was your question
[07:42] <Philip5> ForgeAus: there are excellent docs on how to setup a pxe server on the ubuntu wiki
[07:42] <ForgeAus> Philip I know that much but if your comptuer is a DCHP client, can you still set up PXE (ie dhcp relay instead of dhcpd?)
[07:42] <Philip5> you need to be a dhcp server
[07:43] <ForgeAus> I don't think I can be a DHCP server, if I am it messes up my internet
[07:43] <ForgeAus> (I must be getting an IP issued from myself instead of my router)
[07:44] <ForgeAus> (which currently acts as my DHCP server)
[07:44] <ForgeAus> (for the local net)
[07:44] <Philip5> i understand... but i think the dhcp also point at the pxe
[07:45] <Philip5> but you might be able to set it up as some kind of relay as you suggested
[07:45] <Philip5> i haven't tried that
[07:46] <Philip5> i run the dhcp server on my lan behind my gateway so i had no problem with it messing with the internet in anyway
[07:46] <ForgeAus> yeah I just need to find out how right?
[07:46] <ForgeAus> thanx
[07:47] <dwangoac> Hi - quick question: I'm running Kubuntu 6.06.1 and KDE throws unknown errors when mounting media like CD's and USB keys.  Would renaming the .kde directory do a reset to the point where things might start working again, or am I just being silly?
[07:48] <Philip5> ForgeAus: do you have a lan? in that case... does all your computers on your lan get ip from a isp dhcp?
[07:49] <deathnote> question
[07:49] <deathnote> what does umask 007 do?
[07:49] <Philip5> otherwise you would only have that problem if the gateway is the computer that you are installing via pxe
[07:50] <Philip5> deathnote: sets default to when making files set the permission to user and group to have all permissions and others none
[07:51] <Philip5> i guess
[07:51] <deathnote> Philip5: do u mean, this is to set what's the mode for the next file creation??
[07:52] <Philip5> yes
[07:53] <Philip5> umask is like a chmod in reverse
[07:53] <Philip5> umask subtracts from 777 in chmod
[07:54] <Philip5> so to speak
[07:56] <deathnote> ohhhh so 007 is not user and group = none, and all = all permission?
[07:56] <deathnote> no wonder
[07:56] <stdin> in chmod, yes
[07:56] <stdin> !permissions
[07:56] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[08:00] <deathnote> if (!rename("$::scandir/$file", "$::analysedir/$file")) , what does the !rename mean?
[08:01] <stdin> you're probably better off asking that on #bash
[08:02] <deathnote> f (!rename("$::scandir/$file", "$::analysedir/$file")) , what does the !rename mean?
[08:02] <deathnote> if (!rename("$::scandir/$file", "$::analysedir/$file")) , what does the !rename mean?
[08:02] <stdin> deathnote: you're probably better off asking that on #bash
[08:07] <ForgeAus> Philip yes I have a lan and all comptuers on the lan (3 of them) get it from a router... the router, in turn gets it from my ISP...
[08:08] <ForgeAus> I could set the router to give me a static IP but its complicated and I have to change stuff over
[08:08] <ForgeAus> DHCP just works, so much easier... as long as I don't serve DHCP's myself?
[08:09] <ForgeAus> I had it on Static but it was so much a mess administering IP's all the time changing them over for one reason or another, and I had to do it with the OS's tcp connection as well
[08:09] <ForgeAus> nothing seemed to work most of the time and I was forever switching one thing to another, DHCP I just set it and forget it!
[08:10] <ForgeAus> so I do already have a DHCP server but its just not this PC its the router
[08:13] <just-this-time> !alternatives
[08:13] <ubotu> To change the default applications system-wide, use 'sudo update-alternatives --all' in a terminal.
[08:17] <just-this-time> !restricted
[08:17] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:27] <dwangoac> OK, how dangerous and/or dumb is it to move the .kde directory out of the way and let a dist-upgrade from Dapper to Edgy recreate it?
[08:28] <stdin> dwangoac: a logout/in will re create it
[08:28] <chavo> dwangoac, not dangerous but not really necesarry either
[08:29] <dwangoac> Thanks for the info - I'm hoping that doing that will clear out some funny problems I'm having where KDE fails to mount devices like CD's and USB keys (by throwing an unknown error)
[08:29] <dwangoac> Kind of clearing out the driftwood, if you will.  I've been distribution upgrading since Hoary :)
[08:29] <chavo> I've had my .kde for years
[08:30] <dwangoac> Hmm...  OK, should I be looking somewhere else?  Any time I try to mount a CD or a USB key, it always comes back with "an unknown error occurred" - I usually have to mount as root.
[08:31] <stdin> check it with another user
[08:31] <dwangoac> stdin: That's a pretty good idea...
[08:31] <dwangoac> I'll abuse my MythTV user for that :)
[08:31] <stdin> I have them every now and then :P
[08:33] <dwangoac> stdin: OK, I'm back from another session - same error.
[08:33] <dwangoac> stdin: So, yeah, moving the .kde folder would be pointless :)
[08:33] <stdin> probably not a config file then
[08:33] <dwangoac> stdin: I guess at this point it couldn't hurt to just do the update to Edgy and see what I get on the other side.  I'm wanting to update so I can play with Beryl :)
[08:33] <kraut> moin
[08:34] <Sekaab> Hey hey
[08:34] <stdin> dwangoac: worth a try
[08:34] <just-this-time> what is samba meta package ?
[08:34] <dwangoac> stdin: Thanks for the help - I appreciate it.
[08:34] <just-this-time> !samba
[08:34] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[08:34] <stdin> dwangoac: oh, and you can use pmount to mount removable devices as non-root too :)
[08:35] <dwangoac> stdin: Yeah, but my wife.. she no like the console :)
[08:36] <dwangoac> stdin: It's one of those things where it used to work, but then suddenly stopped mounting things right, and I've never been able to figure out what it is.
[08:36] <stdin> dwangoac: yeah, maybe edgy will fix it, hopefully
[08:37] <dwangoac> stdin: Here goes - yikes, 1064MB of downloads...
[08:38] <stdin> dwangoac: yeah, takes forever to download and install, and beware dependencies. like xserver-xorg-driver-* changing to xserver-xorg-video-*
[08:39] <dwangoac> stdin: Go figure - they didn't say anything about that on the official http://kubuntu.org/announcements/6.10-release.php page :)
[08:39] <dwangoac> stdin: Since I'm likely to run in to that one, what do I need to do there?
[08:40] <stdin> dwangoac: yeah, I think that was one reason so many people has trouble with the upgrade. I found that using aptitude instead of apt-get helps tho
[08:41] <dwangoac> Heh - it's not too late, it's just downloading at the moment.  How about adept instead of aptitude?
[08:41] <notech> anyone running a Dell notebook?
[08:41] <chavo> I never had problems with the upgrade
[08:41] <dwangoac> notech: Sometimes. :)
[08:41] <BlankB> notech: yes I have a dell inspiron 4000
[08:41] <stdin> chavo: dapper -> edgy ?
[08:41] <chavo> notech, me too sometimes
[08:42] <notech> wondering what wireless and if you got it to work
[08:42] <dwangoac> notech: Went around in circles and finally gave up on my Precision m60
[08:42] <notech> seems they have a choice of Dell 1390 or intel 3945
[08:42] <dwangoac> notech: It really, really depends on the chipset
[08:43] <BlankB> notech: i am using a airlink 802.11g cardbus card.
[08:43] <dwangoac> notech: I'd look around, find out what exact chipset is used in the card that comes with it, and check on the support.  In my case, the Broadcom chipset I had wasn't supported at all, and NDISWrapper didn't play nice with docking station changes.
[08:43] <notech> ok, thanks folks
[08:43] <dwangoac> notech: Yep, I'm with BlankB - I went with an Orinoco Silver and just gave up on the internal card.
[08:44] <dwangoac> stdin: So would Adept do a better job than apt-get, or is it a crapshoot?
[08:44] <notech> i have an older type I/II card but not sure that works with these new laptops
[08:44] <dwangoac> notech: Should work fine - what kind of card is it?
[08:45] <stdin> dwangoac: never used adept to do it, it may work better, you could always check.
[08:45] <notech> dwangoac: linksys prism2, uses orinoco driver
[08:45] <dwangoac> notech: Eh, prism2 is all you need to say - that's a god chipset (very well supported)
[08:45] <notech> dwangoac: cool, thanks :))
[08:45] <stdin> adept isn't exactly my favourite package manager
[08:45] <dwangoac> notech: Easy way to tell:  Bust out a Kubuntu or a Knoppix CD and see what happens :)
[08:46] <notech> dwangoac: ordering the laptop tomorrow
[08:46] <dwangoac> stdin: Gnome isn't exactly my favorite browser either, hence not having aptitude on hand :)
[08:47] <notech> that's why i was wondering which of the internals to get, but guess it won't matter now
[08:47] <stdin> dwangoac: aptitude is nothing to do with gnome
[08:48] <dwangoac> stdin: Oh - I always thought it had Gnome dependancies (not like that matters too much - I have a lot of GTK apps anyway...)
[08:48] <stdin> dwangoac: maybe you're thinking of synaptic?
[08:48] <dwangoac> stdin: How right you are.
[08:48] <dwangoac> stdin: It's getting late here. :)
[08:49] <stdin> dwangoac: heh, I know the feeling, aptitude is a terminal-based front-end to apt, you just do "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[08:49] <stdin> it tends to deal with dependencies better tho
[08:50] <stdin> *than apt-get
[08:50] <dwangoac> stdin: I think I'll cancel my apt-get attempt then
[08:50] <dwangoac> Hmm... only dependencies aptitude couldn't resolve were openoffice
[08:50] <dwangoac> Nice
[08:51] <stdin> there is a sort of "unofficial" upgrade help here http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade
[08:56] <michael_> Good morning.
[08:56] <dwangoac> stdin: OK, after doing some comparing, the only really new thing about that is apt-get -u dist-upgrade | grep ^' ' | xargs apt-get -y install
[08:57] <dwangoac> stdin: Thanks for the link.  I'll probably need to do that to resolve the held back packages. :)
[08:58] <michael_> Perhaps someone can help me out here?  I have had a problem since my upgrade to Edgy.  Whenever any packages get upgraded, Adept wants to remove ubuntu-minimal and others and reinstall sysvinit.
[08:58] <michael_> Unfotunately, I am not an apt-get guru.
[08:59] <main> haloo
[08:59] <stdin> make sure you have ubuntu-standard and kubuntu-desktop installed
[08:59] <deathnote> try apt-get clean ?
[08:59] <main> hey uhh wat package do i get to burn iso files to dvd??
[08:59] <stdin> that won't do a thing, except remove the local package cache
[09:00] <main> ?
[09:00] <stdin> main: k3b, which is already installed
[09:00] <main> where is that in the kmenu?
[09:00] <deathnote> multimedia?
[09:00] <main> i couldnt find it
[09:01] <main> nope
[09:01] <main> not there
[09:01] <deathnote> !k3b
[09:01] <ubotu> k3b is a feature-rich and user-friendly burning application for KDE (and, as all KDE applications, works fine on GNOME). For a guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/K3BHowto
[09:01] <ForgeAus> yeah I think its in multimedia (I personally made a subgroup)
[09:01] <stdin> main: the button in the bottom left, with the K on it
[09:01] <deathnote> try running k3b in console?
[09:01] <michael_> stdin: ubuntu-standard and kubuntu-desktop are installed.  deathnote: I have done apt-get clean.
[09:01] <main> yeahh
[09:02] <main> nah i wanna find it
[09:02] <deathnote> michael_: how u do your upgrade?
[09:02] <main> for future use
[09:02] <deathnote> main: create a link yourself then? heh
[09:02] <main> but wat if its there
[09:02] <main> its suppose to be in the multimedia menu?
[09:02] <deathnote> yupp
[09:03] <michael_> deathnote: I changed the repositories manually and did lots of apt-get update, upgrade and dist-update:s.
[09:03] <michael_> I suspect I did something at the wrong time, since I had just switched to Kubuntu at the time.
[09:03] <michael_> Plus Edgy was not yet released.
[09:04] <jager> is the OSS mixer api enabled by default in the stock ubuntu kernels?
[09:04] <main> hah it wasnt installed
[09:04] <main> for some reason
[09:04] <stdin> main: make sure you have the package kubuntu-desktop installed
[09:04] <main> uhh
[09:04] <main> lemme check
[09:05] <michael_> deathnote: Yes.  I can't remember whether I edited the file or did it from Adept, but that is probably not relevent.  Sorry, I can't private-message :(
[09:05] <main> does that package have a bunch of programs?
[09:06] <makuseru> is there a room for knoppix?
[09:06] <stdin> main: is make sure you have everything you should
[09:06] <stdin> makuseru:  #knoppix ?
[09:07] <main> im installing it now
[09:07] <main> this doesnt include k3b right?
[09:08] <stdin> main: it should include k3b and other apps you should have
[09:08] <main> k
[09:08] <stdin> main: how did you install kubuntu without kubuntu-desktop ?
[09:08] <main> idk
[09:08] <main> i just got rid of gnome
[09:09] <main> and installed a bunch of random packages from the kde
[09:09] <stdin> how did you get kde then?
[09:09] <main> menu
[09:09] <main> maybe i missed it lol
[09:10] <stdin> kubuntu-desktop is a meta package that installed a standard kde based desktop
[09:10] <deathnote> how many kind of kde-s are there, ??
[09:10] <main> well it wasnt checked as installed
[09:10] <main> im installing right now
[09:11] <stdin> deathnote: there is only 1 KDE, but kubuntu apply patches and modifications to it, they also include packages to be installed by default
[09:13] <main> hmm why dont i have this installed
[09:13] <main> and i already had kubuntu
[09:13] <stdin> no, you had parts of it, but not kubuntu :)
[09:13] <ForgeAus> if there isn't a #knoopix try #linux
[09:13] <ForgeAus> grrr damn typos
[09:13] <ForgeAus> (actually its ##linux but #linux should forward you there)
[09:14] <main> when i installed the package
[09:14] <main> seems like nothing changed
[09:14] <main> i still dont see k3b
[09:14] <stdin> main: logout and back in, then look
[09:14] <main> oh its installed
[09:14] <main> i see it package manager
[09:14] <main> k im gona log out
[09:17] <jager> so i get [AO OSS]  audio_setup: Can't open audio device /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy when i run mplayer -ao oss <file>
[09:17] <jager> friend tells me this is why sound in flash fails
[09:17] <jager> any pointers to getting that sorted?
[09:17] <deathnote> what's xserver-xorg-air-core ?? some kind of kde?
[09:18] <stdin> deathnote: huh, do you know what KDE is ?
[09:18] <deathnote> some desktop enviroment?
[09:19] <stdin> jager: that's because artsd is using it. take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash#head-f036b17c3150dd72f58d952a0e13094568c9f92e
[09:20] <stdin> deathnote: yeah, the K Desktop Environment, xserver isn't a desktop environment, it's what they run on
[09:22] <jager> changing the firefoxrc file doesn't help if that's what you were pointing me at stdin
[09:23] <stdin> jager: did you restart firefox after? and what if you change it to artsdsp ?
[09:23] <michael-kb> stdin: any idea why Edgy still thinks sysvinit should be on my system?  Sorry, you looked like a good person to ask :)
[09:24] <michael-kb> Edgy, resp apt-get.
[09:24] <michael-kb> resp dpkg.
[09:24] <stdin> michael-kb: maybe because you installed something that wants sysvinit
[09:24] <deathnote> ic..any recommendation for eye candies like 3d desktop etc?
[09:24] <stdin> deathnote: beryl is good :)
[09:25] <michael-kb> stdin: sorry, how can I look for such a dependency?
[09:25] <jager> restarting firefox didn't help, neither changing to artsdsp and restarting :(
[09:25] <michael-kb> (I think I did that, but I will do it again).
[09:25] <deathnote> !beryl
[09:26] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:26] <stdin> michael-kb: maybe try doing "sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop" it may show what wants sysvinit
[09:26] <deathnote> is beryl running on top on kde? or another desktop environment?
[09:27] <stdin> deathnote: it's a window manager, it will work with any desktop environment
[09:27] <michael-kb> stdin: 0 upgraded, 0 new, 0 remove, 0 not upgraded.
[09:27] <deathnote> so i just apt-get install beryl?
[09:27] <stdin> deathnote: you'll need either XGL or AIGLX to get it working tho
[09:28] <stdin> michael-kb: ok, try "sudo aptitude dist-upgrade"
[09:28] <michael-kb> stdin: the same.
[09:28] <stdin> deathnote: what version of kubuntu are you on?
[09:29] <deathnote> i'm on edgy now
[09:29] <stdin> michael-kb: does "sudo aptitude install upstart" show it's installed ?
[09:29] <stdin> deathnote: and what's your graphics card ?
[09:29] <deathnote> i have another set of laptop on dapper too... is the procedure different? i'll start with edgy..hehe
[09:29] <deathnote> ATI radeon 9200
[09:30] <stdin> deathnote: ok, you'll need XGL then
[09:30] <stdin> !xgl | deathnote
[09:30] <ubotu> deathnote: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:30] <deathnote> my another pc is using nvidia.. if nvidia do i use AIGLX or XGL?
[09:31] <stdin> deathnote: depends what version of the driver you install, both ATI and nvidia need the binary driver installed to work
[09:31] <stdin> deathnote: if you use then envy script to install the driver you may be able to use AIGLX
[09:32] <stdin> !envy
[09:32] <ubotu> envy is a Python script that eases installation of the official Nvidia and ATI drivers. Please see http://albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html . Developers may be interested in https://launchpad.net/products/envy - See also !Nvidia
[09:32] <Bxnp> i need a native speaker in english
[09:32] <Bxnp> i have a little blog entry wich i would like to be corrected
[09:33] <deathnote> what's an envy script?
[09:34] <stdin> deathnote: look at what ubotu said
[09:34] <Bxnp> stdin: are you an englsih native speaker
[09:34] <stdin> Bxnp: yeah, I am
[09:34] <Bxnp> could you help me correct a few lines of english
[09:34] <stdin> sure, why not
[09:34] <Bxnp> oke one sec
[09:35] <Bxnp> oke i am sending you the text
[09:36] <Bxnp> stdin: you have to accept the text
[09:36] <stdin> Bxnp: I know, and I did, maybe you are firewalled
[09:36] <Bxnp> oh shi  tt
[09:36] <Bxnp> let me correct tht
[09:37] <stdin> Bxnp: you can just post it to pastebin
[09:37] <stdin> http://pastebin.ca
[09:38] <Bxnp> oh oke
[09:38] <deathnote> ok....i've followed the http://noiesmo.dnsalias.net/article.php?story=20060602173658632 ..got my ATI installed properly
[09:38] <deathnote> but i realise the below session is for dapper instead of edgy
[09:38] <deathnote> !beryl
[09:38] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:38] <deathnote> fglrx is up.....
[09:40] <michael-kb> stdin, deathnote: got it!  I still had the Breezy CD listed in my sources.list.  I have removed that, and now it no longer wants to install sysvinit.
[09:41] <stdin> michael-kb: heh :)
[09:41] <michael-kb> stdin, deathnote: thanks for your assistance!
[09:41] <stdin> :)
[09:42] <deathnote> sure sure
[09:42] <michael-kb> See yous...
[09:47] <Mena> hi
[09:47] <Mena> Hot to install  GStreamer 0.10
[09:47] <Mena> how*
[09:48] <Mena> stdin, are you here
[09:49] <stdin> yeah
[09:49] <Mena> How to install  GStreamer 0.10
[09:49] <Mena> do you know it
[09:50] <stdin> what version of kubuntu are you on Mena ?
[09:50] <Mena> 6.10
[09:50] <Mena> edgy
[09:50] <mneisen> Hello, Ive got a small problem with beryl-svn on Kubuntu Edgy. Everything runs fine, except Katapult which I used to use excessivly. Beryl 0.1.99.2 did not have this problem, Beryl 0.1.9999.1 is broken for me, Beryl-svn works but seems to hinder Katapult. Any suggestions?
[09:51] <stdin> Mena: just search in adept for "gstreamer0.10" and you'll see all the packages available
[09:52] <stdin> Mena: you may need universe/multiverse for some
[09:52] <Mena> stdin, okay bec i tried form terminla couldnt find
[09:52] <Mena> stdin, i enabled them
[09:52] <stdin> !find gstreamer0.10
[09:52] <ubotu> Found: gstreamer0.10-alsa, gstreamer0.10-doc, gstreamer0.10-esd, gstreamer0.10-gnomevfs, gstreamer0.10-plugins-base (and 30 others)
[09:52] <stdin> there are there
[09:53] <Mena> stdin, okay :)
[09:53] <E_mE> morning all...
[09:53] <stdin> mneisen: seeing as it a beryl problem, and a svn version at that, you should ask in #beryl
[09:54] <Mena> stdin, why some times whem i attend to open adept its loading but didnt open is that my be cused of the suing of prossecor
[09:55] <Mena> using*
[09:56] <stdin> Mena: well, when you open adept, you first run kdesu, that's what uses the processor first, then adept will open
[09:57] <Mena> stdin,ok
[09:57] <stdin> Mena: I think I saw some bug when adept didn't open on the 1st try, it's maybe that
[09:57] <Mena> yes
[09:58] <stdin> I don't use adept anyway, if I don't use the terminal then I'll use Synaptic
[09:59] <Mena> stdin, so you sugest to use synaptic
[09:59] <Mena> stdin, do i install it
[09:59] <Mena> or something else
[10:00] <stdin> yeah, just install it from adept (if it opens :P ) or from konsole
[10:00] <Mena> stdin , okay
[10:00] <stdin> it's a GTK app tho, so it will depend on some GTK libs
[10:01] <Mena> stdin, ok
[10:01] <Mena> stdin, i got amny packages install one with this descr Graphical package manager , right?
[10:01] <stdin> yeah
[10:01] <Mena> stdin, i wil not need any one of others , right?
[10:02] <Mena> okay
[10:02] <mneisen> stdin: OK, will do (in fact: have done ... :-D)
[10:04] <stdin> Mena: you can get "update-notifier" too, so you don't have to use adept_notifier to show when updates are available
[10:04] <Mena> stdin, cool
[10:05] <Mena> stdin, can i enable kconverstion emothion or there is no any for it
[10:05] <stdin> you mean emoticons?
[10:06] <Mena> yes sorry
[10:06] <stdin> hmm, I don't know :P
[10:06] <Mena> okay
[10:06] <just-this-time> !samba | /me
[10:06] <stdin> but I know where you can find out
[10:06] <ubotu> /me: samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[10:06] <stdin> Mena: ask in #konversation
[10:06] <Rebecca> hey. im having a problem with the auto mount feature.. it's trying to mount my camera (which is a standard usb mass storage device) as a camera.. it fails horribly, can not be unmounted, can not view and files on the filesystem, and prevents it being mounted normally. is there anyway to prevent it trying to mount my camera as something other than USB mass storage device?
[10:06] <Mena> stdin, okay
[10:07] <stdin> Mena: if no one answers, give Sho_ a poke :)
[10:07] <Mena> stdin, okay
[10:08] <Rebecca> it tries to load "camera://Olympus X-450@[usb:004,022] /"
[10:08] <Rebecca> and fails miserably
[10:09] <Rebecca> this appears to interfere with the normal usb mass storage mounting that occurs after...
[10:10] <Rebecca> i have asked previously in #kde but they seem clueless about the problem
[10:14] <Steven_M> hi
[10:14] <Steven_M> all
[10:15] <Alarm> goodmorning . what is the usage of the dock application bar ? when adding it firstly it is being placed only on the right side without me being able to do anything on it. move it on the top of the screen or add apps on it. how can i do that ?
[10:16] <Jucato> !away > Bxnp
[10:16] <Steven_M> I get crackly sound when playing Lincity-NG, any idea why?
[10:17] <Quilano> no sound whatsoever after upgrade to edgy (audigy soundcard). Anyone can help?
[10:19] <Mena> stdin, its normla while using the command apt-get with synaptic right i mean if worked for the tow
[10:19] <Mena> both
[10:20] <ForgeAus> I think the dock application bar is for Window Maker / GNUstep (or other *step-type) programs
[10:21] <ForgeAus> its a different window manager... (like how Gnome is different from KDE, Window Maker is yet another)...
[10:21] <XenThraL> ehm, everyone in #kopete is idling, or flat out now answering me so
[10:21] <XenThraL> anyone know how to set the default font size for messages in kopete?
[10:21] <XenThraL> whenever I change it, the first message comes out with the new font size, but any subsequent messages dont
[10:21] <Mena> seconed
[10:21] <deathnote> hi how do i know if i've got aiglx or xgl installed?
[10:22] <Alarm> so is there a way i can add a bar on the top of the screen with some shortcuts that will be invisible (only that one) not the main taskbar
[10:22] <ForgeAus> um I havn't used kopete enough to know that
[10:22] <ForgeAus> death I think aiglx comes with Kubuntu
[10:22] <XenThraL> seems like its bugged behavior
[10:22] <XenThraL> but I'm checking first before I file a report
[10:22] <stdin> deathnote: if you are running edgy, you have aiglx installed, but you have to install xgl in dapper and edgy
[10:22] <Mena> Xenthral, Configure>>>Appearnce>>>Colors And fonts
[10:22] <ForgeAus> I'm not certain but xgl may come with video drivers like ATI or Nvidia??? or perhaps its a separate component you need to install?
[10:22] <ForgeAus> check if it shows up in Adept....
[10:23] <Mena> Xenthral, that will make all fonts as you choose
[10:23] <XenThraL> Mena: that seemed to have change how the font is displayed to m
[10:23] <stdin> ForgeAus: it's separate, xserver-xgl (iirc)
[10:23] <XenThraL> me*
[10:23] <XenThraL> but not how it is sent as to everyone
[10:23] <ForgeAus> thanx stdin
[10:23] <XenThraL> do you see the distinction I'm trying to make?
[10:23] <Mena> Xenthral, i dint know much but i geuess others see this
[10:24] <Mena> as you choose
[10:24] <Mena> Xenthral, do you asked your friends if they saw the font as you waont
[10:24] <stdin> AIGLX is profired over XGL, but AIGLX won't work with everything (especially not ATI)
[10:24] <XenThraL> yep
[10:25] <XenThraL> I went through a whole bunch of settings
[10:25] <stdin> *prefired
[10:25] <Mena> Xenthral, So its manybe a bug as you said
[10:27] <Mena> Xenthral, do yoy see youre addrees book info
[10:27] <XenThraL> yes
[10:28] <Mena> Xenthral, okay
[10:28] <ForgeAus> stdin? preferred?
[10:28] <_ita> hi all i just installed kubuntu 6.06.1 lts .. (amd64) .. then first boot i start adept updater .. tells me about ~100 updates -- i start and i get like errors errors errors .. should i add repos ? all default here
[10:30] <stdin> ForgeAus: It's faster (as it uses DRI) and it's a longterm project, where XGL was made as a short term project until the manufactures release drivers that can use OpenGL
[10:32] <deathnote> hi i'm running beryl manager now.. when i click on select window manager --> Beryl, it just revert back to kwin..what does it mean?
[10:33] <stdin> deathnote: what graphics hardware do you have ?
[10:33] <deathnote> ati radeon
[10:33] <deathnote> i followed the guide but
[10:33] <stdin> deathnote: have you installed XGL ?
[10:34] <deathnote> i think i installed AIGLX
[10:35] <deathnote> the guide says Option          "AIGLX"         "true" into my xorg.conf
[10:35] <stdin> ATI can't use AIGLX
[10:35] <stdin> deathnote: you have to use XGL
[10:36] <deathnote> !xgl
[10:36] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:36] <stdin> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/Xgl
[10:36] <deathnote> ok..confusing..the guide
[10:37] <stdin> you probably followed the guide for auglx, but the ATI drivers can't use that, so you need xgl
[10:38] <pfein> any suggestions on some nice fonts that don't hurt the eyes?
[10:43] <deathnote> hi
[10:44] <deathnote> i already have a /etc/X11/sessions/xgl.desktop , but when i log in, i cannot find the new log in session..
[10:44] <stdin> deathnote: you choose it before you login
[10:45] <deathnote> yes i click on the change session but
[10:45] <deathnote> it wasn't listed there..
[10:45] <deathnote> before log in
[10:46] <qq_> hello
[10:46] <stdin> deathnote: why do you have "/etc/X11/sessions/xgl.desktop" ? it should be "/usr/share/xsessions/xgl.desktop"
[10:46] <stdin> hello qq_
[10:47] <qq_> can any one help me write a short program?
[10:47] <deathnote> damn u're right..hehe
[10:47] <deathnote> brb
[10:48] <stdin> qq_: what type of program?
[10:48] <Lynoure> qq_: If you ask it that way, google for "hello world" :) But you probably mean some program that does something else
[10:48] <qq_> c
[10:49] <qq_> a "function" in c actually
[10:49] <qq_> its really short
[10:50] <stdin> try asking in ##c
[10:50] <qq_> thanks
[10:57] <_ita> i googled a bit and added some more repos as suggested by http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/install.html#3 ... even now my adept updater gives me error error error (some package updates work though) .. do i need special ports on firewall to be open ? i mean .. i havent really started yet and im stuck, thats not how it was meant
[11:00] <stdin> _ita: it would help if you told use what the "error error error" is
[11:03] <_ita> a malfunction that appears reappears asf .. you click fetch "97 updates available" in your taksbar. adept updater pops up and you click "fetch list of updates" .. he sort of browses all repos and some run from 0% to done(100%) and some run to "error" .. so anyways you hit "apply updates" and he tries to get new/updated packages .. again he runs through lot of repos and/or packages .....
[11:03] <_ita> by now NONE reaches from 0% to done(100%) but ALL remaining packages get "error"
[11:04] <linopil> howto see my usb flashdisk
[11:04] <linopil> where howto see my usb flashdisk
[11:04] <stdin> _ita: try changing your sources to use archive.ubuntu.com
[11:05] <stdin> linopil: if it mounted, it will be in /media
[11:05] <_ita> so you suggest removing the "de." in front of my repo-urls ?
[11:05] <stdin> _ita: yeah
[11:05] <_ita> ok will try thank you
[11:07] <linopil> stdin apparently usb automount not working
[11:08] <linopil> stdin in kcontrol I see usb drive as /dev/sdd1
[11:08] <linopil> how to save time bring back automount USB
[11:08] <stdin> linopil: don't you see a popup dialogue asking what you want to do with the device ?
[11:09] <linopil> right stdin expected behaviour in new ubuntu like windows
[11:09] <stdin> linopil: yeah
[11:10] <stdin> linopil: what version of kubuntu are you running?
[11:10] <_ita> removing "de." made it worse .. now i get even more errors on almost anything thats universe multiverse sources .. but as i said the installation is like 20 mins old .. so i have nothing but the defaults PLUS the repos mentioned on the webpage i linked above .. again: do i need to talk to my admin to open anyports on fw or anything ?
[11:11] <qq_> how do I enlarge the font of the main menu in kubuntu?
[11:11] <stdin> _ita: no, you don't need to have any ports open, it used standard http, like websites
[11:12] <_ita> ok .. so i need to find a "good" repo list for germany maybe that does help me...?
[11:12] <stdin> qq_: System Settings -> Appearance -> Fonts
[11:13] <stdin> _ita: open Konsole and type in "LANG=C sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" and post the output to pastebin
[11:13] <stdin> !pastebin
[11:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:14] <_ita> ok
[11:14] <qq_> cool, it worked :)
[11:16] <linopil> latest stdin kubuntu edgy
[11:16] <linopil> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=80070 instructs me to install autofs
[11:16] <_ita> output is very little - its paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4564
[11:17] <stdin> linopil: that's for breezy
[11:18] <_ita> (adept updater still says 2 install 40 update)
[11:18] <stdin> _ita: try "sudo apt-get -f install" then
[11:19] <stdin> _ita: or "sudo apt-get -f dist-upgrade"
[11:19] <paines> hi
[11:20] <linopil> what is  the gnome-volume-manager in kubuntu ??
[11:20] <stdin> linopil: kubuntu doesn't use that
[11:21] <paines> I have a problem with feisty, amarok and my ipod. I cannot choose Apple Ipod for the detected devices. any idea what that is ?
[11:21] <linopil> stdin what components for usb disk automount?
[11:21] <stdin> paines: for feisty questions use #ubuntu+1 (or #kubuntu-devel )
[11:21] <_ita> ok thanks again will do
[11:21] <linopil> any GUI mounter in kcontrol or system settings?
[11:21] <paines> stdin, sorry
[11:22] <paines> sorr yguys. wrong channel
[11:22] <linopil> !usbmount
[11:22] <ubotu> usbmount: automatically mount and unmount USB mass storage devices. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.0.14ubuntu2 (edgy), package size 10 kB, installed size 116 kB
[11:22] <stdin> paines: it's because feisty isn't "stable" yet
[11:22] <stdin> linopil: it should be handled by kde
[11:23] <paines> stdin, yeah i know. I was sure Iam in the wrong channel. but coulnd't recall which one is for devel. thanks man
[11:23] <stdin> linopil: see if you can see the device in /media
[11:27] <ltmon> does anyone have any problems with "media/" since upgrading to kde 3.5.6, particularly in relation to removable USB devices?  Mine won't show up on the desktop or auto-mount, but will in "media:/".
[11:28] <stdin> ltmon: try asking in #kubuntu-devel
[11:28] <ltmon> stdin: ok, will do
[11:29] <Tm_T> Hmm, I always just use media:/
[11:29] <Tm_T> Can't remember any weird though.
[11:30] <ltmon> yeah, media:/ works as expected, just the /media patches seem to be interfering
[11:30] <stdin> media:/ is kinda broken, or so I've hared, default is /media now anyway
[11:30] <ltmon> stdin: other way around for me
[11:31] <stdin> just going by what the devs say, both work foe me :)
[11:31] <stdin> s/foe/for/
[11:34] <Hobbsee> stdin: both have their bugs
[11:35] <Cheetah> hey fellas
[11:35] <Cheetah> ;)
[11:35] <Cheetah> is there a way to make the text of the icons on the desktop be -right- of the icon?
[11:36] <Cheetah> plus all icons automatically sorting themselves on the right-hand side of the desktop?
[11:37] <Tm_T> Cheetah: Hmm, good question.
[11:37] <Cheetah> because I'd like to have the same look and feel as my mac
[11:37] <Tm_T> Cheetah: Not that I know, sorry.
[11:37] <Cheetah> and everyone is always propagating that KDE is sooo customizable ;)
[11:37] <Cheetah> thanks anyways
[11:38] <Cheetah> any config files I could look into?
[11:38] <Tm_T> Hmm, kdesktoprc I think.
[11:38] <Cheetah> thanks
[11:38] <Tm_T> "locate kdesktoprc" helps finding it I think.
[11:39] <stdin> you can also ask in #kde , they'll know
[11:39] <Cheetah> I'll do ;) thanks
[11:41] <qq_> how can I switch users without having the login screen pop up everytime ?
[11:42] <_ita> stdin: thanks again for your patience ... actually its our inhouse-transparent-proxy that blocked my patching/apt-get maybe unable to handle the astaro_downloader .. so to make it short - getting a temp_any_2_any rule on firewall fixed the problem and i can error-free upgrade my system now
[11:47] <profile00009> <--- needs training wheels
[11:47] <Tm_T> profile00009: So go training your wheels then?
[11:47] <Tm_T> ;)
[11:48] <profile00009> can anyone help a newbie to install an app???
[11:48] <Tm_T> !helpme
[11:48] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:48] <profile00009> thanks Tm_T
[11:49] <Tm_T> So, just ask your question and stop yelling "help!" cause we can't help until you tell what's the problem. :)
[11:49] <profile00009> ok, how do you install real audio....and actually have it install???
[11:49] <Tm_T> You mean realplayer?
[11:49] <profile00009> yeah
[11:50] <stdin> _ita: huh, well glad it works now :)
[11:50] <profile00009> take a big hammer, place the app next to your head....beat it into submission...
[11:50] <Tm_T> Well, "sudo apt-get install helix-player" might be a good start.
[11:50] <Tm_T> Dunno if helix is enough though.
[11:51] <profile00009> ok.....so where do i type that in???/
[11:51] <Tm_T> profile00009: Konsole :)
[11:51] <Tm_T> OR you can use adept for install that package, or...
[11:52] <profile00009> where it says konsole terminal program?
[11:53] <profile00009> i have tried to use adept....that doesnt seem to work....
[11:53] <Tm_T> profile00009: Yes, Konsole terminal, open it and then insert that command.
[11:55] <profile00009> and when it asks for password???????
[11:55] <Jucato> enter your user's password
[11:56] <Tm_T> Then give YOUR password as it asks.
[11:56] <Tm_T> Jucato: Hmm, have time to help him?
[11:56] <Jucato> Tm_T: not really. just took a peek
[11:56] <Tm_T> D'oh.
[11:56] <Tm_T> Jucato: No problem then. :)
[11:57] <profile00009> says couldnt find package
[11:57] <Jucato> besides, wouldn't want to take the spotlight away from you. it's your turn to shine! (again)
[11:57] <Tm_T> Jucato: You sure?
[11:57] <nuna> hi is just started working ubuntu, trying to get things work. For Java I downloaded some j2re package and placed it on my desktop. It's a bin file, and I cannot open it. Anyone can tell me how to install this?
[11:58] <Tm_T> profile00009: Uff, you need universe repository.
[11:58] <Tm_T> !universe
[11:58] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:06] <_ita> is there a documentation out there for kubuntu 6.06 on "howto install and edit xorg.conf to run accell and dual view on a nvidia GForce FX waht_ever" ?!
[12:07] <_ita> following the tutorial i mentined kills my x completely
[12:08] <profile00009> what is the url for universe?
[12:09] <waylandbill> !universe
[12:09] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:12] <waylandbill> ls
[12:12] <waylandbill> drat
[12:14] <Mena> Stdin, Do you knwo how to install fonts manauly
[12:15] <abattoir> Mena: rt. click on the font(in konqueror)->Actions->Install
[12:15] <Mena> abattoir, okay
[12:18] <profile00009> ok, i get to manage repositories   then at the bottom I add in !universe then click add.....but all I get is   comment !universe
[12:18] <stdin> profile00009: no, you need to read this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[12:19] <Mena> abattoir, i got a KDE panel crash do you know why?
[12:19] <abattoir> Mena: could be due to plenty of reasons... including anything you did most immediately prior to the crash
[12:20] <Mena> abattoir, okay
[12:27] <Martiini> 2 kernels in my kubuntu .. How do I check which one has been installed last?
[12:27] <stdin> Martiini: probably the one with the highest version number
[12:29] <Martiini> vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386  ... and ... vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic .. which should I keep? (one of them has been installed during dist-upgrade)
[12:30] <Martiini> stdin: 2 kernels in my kubuntu .. How do I check which one has been installed last? vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-386  ... and ... vmlinuz-2.6.17-10-generic .. which should I keep? (one of them has been installed during dist-upgrade)
[12:30] <stdin> Martiini: well the -generic one is the one you probably want, but you don't have to remove either
[12:32] <profile00009> I changed 4 lines....with universe multiverse...now i cant get the adept manger to work
[12:32] <profile00009> how do i fix that??
[12:33] <stdin> profile00009: what error (if any) do you get?
[12:33] <profile00009> The APT Database could not be opened! This may be caused by incorrect APT configuration or some similar problem. Try running apt-setup and apt-get update in terminal and see if it helps to resolve the problem.
[12:34] <stdin> profile00009: post your /etc/apt/sources.list file on pastebin for me
[12:35] <profile00009> tried both apt-setup & apt-get  but got !universe' is not known on line 1 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:35] <waylandbill> no.. don't put the ! before universe
[12:35] <stdin> I think you'll have to just remove "!universe" then
[12:35] <profile00009> but it wont let me in
[12:36] <profile00009> or how do i remove it
[12:36] <waylandbill> edit sources.list in a konsole
[12:36] <profile00009> ok...how do i do that?
[12:36] <stdin> or with kate: Alt-F2, kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:37] <waylandbill> sudo nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[12:37] <waylandbill> or with kate. either way.
[12:38] <profile00009> ok, konsule just changed....
[12:40] <profile00009> now it says GNU nano 1.3.12  File /etc/apt/sourses.list at the top
[12:44] <misieq> how do i turn off dhcp server (that is permanently, so it won't run on system bootup?)
[12:45] <ZmAY> hello, having problems with cdrecord.. "cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver."  any help
[12:49] <waylandbill> ok. k3b hung the system during a cd-copy. I've probably got an image file hanging around now don't i?
[12:54] <stefan_> aaa
[12:54] <stefan_> where is gg
[12:58] <ZmAY> when i try to mount CDROM i get this msg: mount: I could not determine the filesystem type, and none was specified
[12:58] <ZmAY> any suggestions what to do
[12:59] <fritsch> ZmAY: how do you mount it?
[12:59] <ZmAY> mount /dev/hdc
[01:00] <fritsch> hehe *g*
[01:00] <fritsch> try:
[01:00] <ZmAY> rookie:)
[01:00] <fritsch> sudo mount /dev/hdc /media/hdc
[01:00] <fritsch> if /media/hdc exists
[01:00] <ZmAY> ok
[01:00] <fritsch> syntax is: mount DEVICE TARGET
[01:00] <ZmAY> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[01:00] <fritsch> but, it should "automount"
[01:01] <fritsch> sudo mount -t iso iso9660 /dev/hdc /media/hdc
[01:01] <fritsch> hal should automatically recognize it, if you put it in your drive
[01:01] <waylandbill> it won't automount it if it can't detect the filesystem type.
[01:01] <fritsch> ZmAY: whats an this cd?
[01:01] <ZmAY> its empty cd in it
[01:01] <fritsch> lol
[01:01] <fritsch> ZmAY: sorry, forget the mount
[01:02] <fritsch> you cannot mount what is empty, meaning noe filesystem on it
[01:02] <fritsch> ZmAY: if you want to burn a cd, just open k3b
[01:02] <waylandbill> burn something to the CD first. :-)
[01:02] <ZmAY> k3b dosesnt work since yesterdy
[01:02] <fritsch> ZmAY: what did you change?
[01:03] <fritsch> ZmAY: which kubuntu release are you using?
[01:03] <ZmAY> 6.06.1 LTS (Dapper)
[01:04] <fritsch> did you do any upgrades?
[01:04] <ZmAY> yep
[01:04] <ZmAY> i can read other CDs, but cannot burn them
[01:05] <fritsch> ZmAY: what is the error message of k3b?
[01:05] <ZmAY> error 255.. just a sec
[01:05] <intelikey> i'm running gksudo synaptic in a terminal and getting this error message   "(synaptic:5229): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:"   ???
[01:05] <intelikey> yes gnome.
[01:06] <intelikey> but have kde too and same thing in there with kdesu
[01:06] <intelikey> ?
[01:06] <ZmAY> first it says found no media, please insert an empty cd...
[01:06] <fritsch> try export DISPLAY=:0 before
[01:07] <fritsch> ZmAY: oki
[01:07] <fritsch> and after that?
[01:07] <ZmAY> then i press force
[01:07] <fritsch> mmmh
[01:07] <waylandbill> why force?
[01:07] <fritsch> did you try another kind of media?
[01:07] <fritsch> other brand?
[01:07] <ZmAY> at the moment i dont have any other
[01:08] <waylandbill> the disc may be no good or the burner doesn't like it.
[01:08] <ZmAY> maybe it is yes..
[01:08] <fritsch> waylandbill: same opinion here
[01:09] <ZmAY> cdrecord says next..: cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/sg*'. Cannot open SCSI driver.
[01:09] <fritsch> ZmAY: try k3bsetup first
[01:10] <fritsch> ZmAY: alt F2
[01:10] <fritsch> ZmAY: kdesu k3bsetup
[01:10] <waylandbill> hmm.. he said it just stopped working yesterday, what would happen that would need k3bsetup run again?
[01:11] <fritsch> waylandbill: perhaps he build in another cd burner?
[01:11] <fritsch> waylandbill: hehe
[01:11] <fritsch> waylandbill: don`t know if there were cdrecord updates for dapper
[01:11] <fritsch> waylandbill: i am just going to look
[01:11] <waylandbill> :)
[01:11] <ZmAY> setup seems good
[01:12] <fritsch> waylandbill: no updates
[01:12] <fritsch> ZmAY: retry, have a look what device is chosen for burning
[01:12] <ZmAY> the right one
[01:13] <fritsch> mmh i do not know why, but it wants to burn with emulated scsi
[01:13] <fritsch> but scsi emu was used years before ... dapper
[01:13] <waylandbill> is the device node for it really /dev/sg whatever in the dmesg log?
[01:15] <fritsch> ZmAY: open a terminal and do
[01:15] <fritsch> ZmAY: cdrecord --devices
[01:15] <fritsch> is the correct one mentioned in the output?
[01:15] <profile00009> how can I install an app, that is not in a repository?
[01:15] <ZmAY> cdrecord: No tracks specified. Need at least one.
[01:15] <fritsch> ZmAY: you did with option --devices
[01:16] <ZmAY> maybe this
[01:16] <ZmAY> cdrecord dev=b,t,l driveropts=help -checkdrive
[01:16] <ZmAY> to get a list of drive specific options.
[01:16] <fritsch> try your checkdrive then
[01:17] <fritsch> i get my drive reported with just --devices
[01:17] <waylandbill> profile00009: do you have it's source code or something?
[01:17] <fritsch> but i do have another version
[01:17] <intelikey> greg@x-desktop:~$ export DISPLAY=:0
[01:17] <intelikey> greg@x-desktop:~$ gksudo /usr/sbin/synaptic
[01:17] <intelikey> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[01:17] <intelikey> Xlib: No protocol specified
[01:17] <intelikey> same error message.
[01:17] <fritsch> intelikey: try xhost +127.0.0.1
[01:17] <fritsch> before as the logged in user
[01:18] <profile00009> well, I have the rpm
[01:18] <fritsch> ZmAY: try sudo cdrdao scanbus
[01:18] <fritsch> profile00009: then alien ist your friend
[01:18] <intelikey> greg@x-desktop:~$ xhost +127.0.0.1
[01:18] <intelikey> Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
[01:18] <Riddell> ** edgy amarok testers needed  deb http://kubuntu.org/packages/amarok-145/ edgy main
[01:19] <fritsch> Riddell: i am on the way ;.-)
[01:19] <fritsch> intelikey: so what user is currently logged in
[01:19] <ZmAY> Error trying to open /dev/hda exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second.
[01:19] <fritsch> ZmAY: with sudo before
[01:19] <fritsch> ZmAY: sudo cdrdao scanbus
[01:19] <ZmAY> yep
[01:19] <fritsch> ATA:1,0,0            HL-DT-ST, RW/DVD GCC-4240N, 0214 <- mine reports this
[01:20] <ZmAY> here is repeating this line
[01:20] <intelikey> fritsch is that not obvious by the bash prompt ?
[01:20] <fritsch> intelikey: no ;-)
[01:21] <fritsch> intelikey: do a: w |grep :0
[01:21] <waylandbill> profile00009: kpackage can install it, but you may be finding yourself grabbing dependencies manually.
[01:22] <intelikey> greg@x-desktop:~$ export DISPLAY=:20
[01:22] <intelikey> greg@x-desktop:~$ xhost +127.0.0.1
[01:22] <intelikey> 127.0.0.1 being added to access control list
[01:22] <intelikey> ok.  but same error.
[01:22] <intelikey> (synaptic:5890): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display:
[01:22] <ZmAY> sudo cdrecord -checkdrive throws more info
[01:22] <fritsch> ZmAY: mom
[01:23] <profile00009> thanks waylandbill
[01:23] <fritsch> intelikey: ist your X rellay :20?
[01:24] <intelikey> guess so.
[01:24] <fritsch> intelikey: please give me the out put of: w
[01:24] <fritsch> intelikey: there especially look at the TTY
[01:25] <oslo> xine don't work anymore with amarok & kaffeine how can i repare it ??
[01:25] <intelikey> 20
[01:27] <fritsch> intelikey: mmh try xdpyinfo |grep "name of"
[01:27] <equinoxeB> hy there...
[01:28] <intelikey> 20.0
[01:28] <fritsch> intelikey: hehe
[01:28] <equinoxeB> ahm... did any of you managed to mount an ext3 partition in windows vista...? I need my home partition in windows... :|
[01:28] <fritsch> intelikey: sorry for proofing you 3 times ;-)
[01:28] <fritsch> intelikey: so just do (as a test)
[01:28] <fritsch> intelikey: xhost +
[01:28] <fritsch> this allow everybody to acces your xserver, be careful
[01:29] <Mena> What is the best Gaim OR kopete
[01:29] <fritsch> intelikey: and after this: kdesu "whatever"
[01:29] <fritsch> Mena: kopete ;.)
[01:29] <profile00009> waylandbill:  doI have to reboot the system to see & use the new apps....or ....
[01:29] <Mena> fritsch, okay
[01:29] <intelikey> greg@x-desktop:~$ xhost +
[01:29] <intelikey> access control disabled, clients can connect from any host
[01:29] <intelikey> greg@x-desktop:~$ xhost -
[01:29] <intelikey> access control enabled, only authorized clients can connect
[01:29] <fritsch> intelikey: yes the "+" for yours
[01:29] <waylandbill> profile00009: no. but the rpm may not give you an icon.
[01:30] <fritsch> intelikey: an after that plese try
[01:30] <waylandbill> profile00009: you can run in a terminal though.
[01:30] <profile00009> well, I havent seen alien
[01:30] <profile00009> which i think I downloaded
[01:30] <intelikey> greg@x-desktop:~$ xhost +LOCAL:
[01:30] <intelikey> non-network local connections being added to access control list
[01:30] <fritsch> profile00009: it is a commandline tool
[01:30] <intelikey> seems to work now.
[01:30] <fritsch> intelikey: cool
[01:31] <fritsch> profile00009: open  a terminal and do: alien --to-deb yourpackage.rpm
[01:31] <intelikey> so should i add xhost +LOCAL:  to some config file ?
[01:31] <fritsch> intelikey: noramlly you do not nee d this :-(
[01:31] <profile00009> let me guess from consul
[01:31] <fritsch> profile00009: but please give me the "package name"
[01:31] <intelikey> this is a clean install as of yesterday
[01:31] <fritsch> profile00009: well find a package
[01:31] <fritsch> intelikey: edgy?
[01:32] <intelikey> dapper
[01:32] <profile00009> skype-1.3.0.53-1mdk.i586.rpm
[01:32] <fritsch> intelikey: you fetched the security updates and so on?
[01:32] <fritsch> profile00009: there IS a deb package
[01:32] <fritsch> profile00009: wait
[01:32] <waylandbill> skype is available as a deb
[01:32] <intelikey> some of the dapper updates breaks the printer config    and i had to clean install to get the printer setup.  (new printer)
[01:33] <equinoxeB> or at least do you know how to install Matlab in linux? :|
[01:33] <fritsch> profile00009: http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/
[01:33] <Bxnp-> guys there is something strange with skype
[01:33] <intelikey> so no haven't updated yet.
[01:33] <fritsch> intelikey: please try to fetch the updates first
[01:33] <Bxnp-> what is there an skype update
[01:33] <fritsch> intelikey: perhaps this got fiexd
[01:33] <fritsch> intelikey: the :20 never seen this before
[01:33] <intelikey> no sir.  it breaks printing.
[01:33] <Bxnp-> we have finaly get video support ?? :)
[01:33] <fritsch> intelikey: updating breaks printing?
[01:33] <intelikey> fritsch that's  kmenu > switch users
[01:33] <profile00009> so how do I install it....
[01:34] <intelikey> fritsch yes.  updating breaks printing.
[01:34] <fritsch> intelikey: you have filed a bug for this?
[01:34] <intelikey> no i just rant in here hoping someone that knows how to file a bug will do it for me... :)
[01:35] <ZmAY> sudo cdrdao scanbus... ATAPI:0,0,0    TEAC  , CD-W540E  , 1.0B
[01:35] <fritsch> intelikey: https://launchpad.net
[01:35] <intelikey> the updated foomatic-db is borked.
[01:35] <fritsch> intelikey: try the search before
[01:35] <fritsch> intelikey: i think someone has already reported ... just have a look there
[01:35] <lenscape> argh! What have kubuntu done to kde now? My shortcuts just stop working. They're still set, they just don't work
[01:35] <profile00009> waylandbill: do I open with ark???
[01:36] <waylandbill> the deb package? nah.... dpkg -i filename.deb
[01:37] <profile00009> so save it.....
[01:37] <waylandbill> profile00009: yup
[01:38] <profile00009> after that then what?
[01:38] <intelikey> ok i'll make a note of     xhost +LOCAL:     ffr.   thanks fritsch
[01:38] <profile00009> konsole??
[01:38] <intelikey> in fact i'll script that so i can point and click synaptic.
[01:42] <profile00009> waylandbill: then after I save it....then open konsole and type dpkg -i skype_debian-1.3.0.53-1_i386.deb
[01:44] <intelikey> being that this box boots daily i added   rm -r /tmp /root ;mkdir -m 1777 /tmp ;mkdir -m 1777 /root     to rc.local    but do i need that to run before gdm starts ?
[01:45] <lenscape> !restricted formats
[01:45] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[01:45] <intelikey> thoughts  anybody ?
[01:46] <profile00009> what does it mean when it says g: requested operation requires superuser privilege
[01:46] <intelikey> means sudo it profile00009
[01:47] <profile00009> so sudo dpkg -i skype_debian-1.3.0.53-1_i386.bed
[01:49] <pCarsten> how do I stop ubuntu from updating my xorg.conf file during reboot? Apparently it insists on changing some entries on-the-fly
[01:50] <stamen> hi
[01:50] <intelikey> pCarsten they "thought you would want it too"  heh    anyway edit it and remove a line of comments and save it.  that should keep it from changing.
[01:50] <stamen> how to mount DVD audio ISO fiel
[01:50] <stamen> file
[01:50] <stamen> ?
[01:50] <stamen> its a image of DVD audio disk
[01:50] <stamen> with mount -t iso9660 gives bad superblock
[01:51] <intelikey> stamen i don't think you can.  cda is not an fs  you dont mount them you "play" them....
[01:51] <stamen> but it is .iso image
[01:51] <stamen> and it is not cda
[01:51] <intelikey> so ?
[01:51] <stamen> it is DVD Audio disk
[01:51] <intelikey> ok dvdA
[01:52] <intelikey> so ?
[01:52] <stamen> so
[01:52] <waylandbill> you have to mount it loop, not iso9660
[01:52] <stamen> how to play it
[01:52] <intelikey> teach me something i don't know.
[01:52] <stamen> only with -o loop ?
[01:52] <intelikey> waylandbill can it be mounted if burned to disk ?
[01:53] <stamen> I don't want to burn it
[01:53] <intelikey> if you can mount it when burned to disk you can mount it  -o loop   else  no.
[01:53] <stamen> because I want to hear the music, and if I don't like it I can delete it
[01:53] <intelikey> so play the .iso
[01:53] <stamen> but it wants fs type
[01:54] <intelikey> you dont mount  audio disks.
[01:54] <intelikey> there is no fs type.
[01:54] <intelikey> well any way.  i'll stop confusing things now.
[01:55] <stamen> the file is Metalica.iso
[01:55] <stamen> what confusing thing is here?
[01:55] <stamen> tell me how to play it
[01:56] <stamen> if you know
[01:58] <crube> When I installed Kubuntu (6.10) everything in / was hidden exept media and home. Now they are all visible for some reason, and I rarely have need for them. So how can I hide them again?
[01:59] <Jucato> !hidden | crube
[01:59] <ubotu> crube: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[01:59] <Jucato> crube: you might have "Show Hidden files" enabled in Konqueror? (View menu)
[01:59] <_ita> hi all again .. im setting up dual monitor (twinview) on a nvidia fx 5xxx ... it works so far im happy .. but .. lets say i fix " monitor 1 : generic monitor 1600x1200@76Hz" (in kde/system settings/display/hardware) .. and fix this display to 1280x1024 (kde/system settings/display/size,orientation & positioning) .. i get my 1280x1024 but sort of INSIDE an 1600x1200 .. meaning .. resolution is ok..
[01:59] <crube> Jucato:  Nope, thats no it
[01:59] <_ita> ...but single desktops are "scrollable" ...
[02:00] <_ita> (i cant describe better) - ANY help appreciated i have no idea how to fix it
[02:03] <mray> _ita i have the same problem and didn't find a solution so far :(
[02:03] <profile00009> how can I install realplayer?
[02:03] <mray> but i am glad that KDE does not crash anymore (it did crash a lot when i treid to get my second monitor right)
[02:04] <crube> Ok I have no /.hidden link described in the link.
[02:04] <crube> Sometimes I just break things. Happens to me often
[02:05] <mray> i can't boot into KDE anymore after this: "apt-get install gnome-core" is there a cure?!
[02:06] <mray> when i type in the console "startx" gnome fires up :P
[02:06] <_ita> :/ well im happy it does not crash you are right .. but again, that cant be .. i can change things by choosing different monitor types .. so for some reason it (my impression) always takes the "max" what the monitor can handle and puts my values (smaller than max) inside there so its like i can only see 1024x768 inside a "real scrollable" 1600x1200 desktop for example ..
[02:06] <mray> but
[02:06] <profile00009> How can I install realplayer  the extention is   bin
[02:07] <_ita> you saying that problem does not exist with gnome ?
[02:07] <mray> no. that gnome thing is the problem why I am here :P
[02:07] <mray> _ita are you using official nvidia drivers?
[02:08] <_ita> not sure .. i got them via apt-get
[02:08] <_ita> hardware dialog tells me im using nvidia fx generic driver propietary (if that would answer)
[02:08] <mray> the official ones are only available through the homepage of nvidia afaik. try to get those and see if you can set up your KDE right
[02:09] <mray> you have to install then via the console, i think.
[02:09] <profile00009> how do I install a file with a bin extention???
[02:09] <_ita> is there a way to edit/add monitor definitions so i could use different data with the system_settings/display/hardware dialog ?!
[02:10] <profile00009> and how do what do I type in the Konsole  besides the file name?
[02:13] <_ita> well as i said i can "fix" the problem using the max resolution available to the monitor .. so i get e.g. a 1600x1200 desktop @ 60hz (yakk) .. but scrolling is gone ..
[02:17] <Jucato> latest amarok (1.4.5) now available for Edgy). see !amarok
[02:18] <MidMark> great!
[02:18] <MidMark> !amarok
[02:18] <ubotu> Amarok is an audio player for Linux with an intuitive interface. The latest version is 1.4.3 for Dapper and 1.4.5 for Edgy and packages are  available for Kubuntu at www.kubuntu.org See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Amarok
[02:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: you on Feisty yet?
[02:20] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: nope. I need something stable for the meantime :)
[02:20] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: it's mostly stable...
[02:20] <Jucato> mostly
[02:21] <Jucato> I need "really"
[02:21] <Admiral_Chicago> Dapper?
[02:21] <Jucato> (but not old, like Dapper)
[02:21] <Jucato> :P
[02:21] <waylandbill> mostly, kinda, almost. :-)
[02:21] <Admiral_Chicago> well off to finish this paper, woke up at a bright 6.30 to do it...
[02:21] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: I spend a month playing around with a KDE that requires a bit more attention than usual. I need something that doesn't so I can focus on studying
[02:23] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: same here but I'm playing with the idea of installing KDE 4
[02:23] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: no problem with that. KDE 4 can always be installed along side a stable KDE 3.5.x. on a different user or on the same user. no need to be on feisty :)
[02:24] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: yup, but I forgot where I put teh instructions
[02:24] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: for which one? Kubuntu's KDE 4 packages?
[02:25] <Jucato> (or rather KDE 3.80.x
[02:25] <Admiral_Chicago> yes
[02:25] <Admiral_Chicago> how to install side by side
[02:25] <Jucato> Admiral_Chicago: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-3.80.2.php
[02:25] <Jucato> Kubuntu's packages automatically installs them in another directory, so it doesn't conflict w/ KD 3.5.x
[02:26] <_ita> mray: you still around ?
[02:26] <mray> yes. but i'm no linux guru :S
[02:27] <mray> i'm relatively new myself.
[02:27] <_ita> i fixed it with the workaround of chosing a generic monitor with enough Hz and Resolution i like, i fixed all to 1280x1024 and restarted x server
[02:27] <mray> you selected it in the GUI - or did you mes around in some config files?
[02:27] <_ita> then i stopped x server - made a copy of xorg.conf of course - and manually REMOVED everything i found >1280x1024
[02:27] <_ita> i messed with the cfg file
[02:27] <Admiral_Chicago> Jucato: thanks. gotta run now
[02:28] <Jucato> Run, Admiral_Chicago! Run!
[02:28] <mray> uh-oh - i have BAD experience when i mess around - i'm not good when it comes to coding or messing with cryptic text files...
[02:28] <_ita> i killed all modelines > my_beloved_resolution and killed anything in the screen section i found > my_beloved_res
[02:29] <mray> but _ita: you now have two monitors with different resolutions running?
[02:29] <mray> or were you only having that issue with ONE ?
[02:29] <_ita> no both run the same resolution
[02:29] <_ita> and i had trouble with both
[02:30] <mray> ah ok.
[02:30] <MidMark> yes amarok 1.4.5 with shoutcast support!!!
[02:31] <mray> i have a new and an old monitor - they have different resolutions - and i have the issue only with the old one
[02:31] <mray> i guess my problem is more severe because KDE has to get one desktop and cut away a bit on the old monitor.
[02:33] <_ita> oh, i see .. somehow i think if i had a "driver" for my monitor or if i was able to EDIT the data/create my own monitor profile i wouldnt have to start vim .. good luck to you in finding a solutions .. i thought maybe i could be of help .. im sorry then, but same time im happy .. now excuse me i have to show my dual monitor experience to all that windows nutzz around me talking "haha, you and your
[02:33] <_ita> ...linux .. haha" ... :)
[02:46] <JuJuBee> How do I make my browser(firefox) view php source files (.phps) within the browser itself?
[02:47] <nagyv> JuJuBee: you mean php source files on your harddrive?
[02:48] <JuJuBee> yes, or any web server...
[02:48] <JuJuBee> I used to name them .phps and was able to view them in the browser.
[02:48] <nagyv> JuJuBee: now I get you :)
[02:48] <JuJuBee> I want to use it for teaching purposes
[02:48] <JuJuBee> SO students can view the source and the result.
[02:49] <nagyv> JuJuBee: I think that you can simply view them if the server serves the files as text files
[02:50] <JuJuBee> How do I determine that?
[02:51] <nagyv> JuJuBee: I am not sure, but it depends on the servers setup, or you can teach firefox to open the file once you get the openwith/download window
[02:51] <JuJuBee> I dont want to have to download if possible.  I am checking the apache2.conf file...
[02:52] <nagyv> are you able to open simple text files with firefox? it can happen that you would have problems with this too, I suppose that phps files are by default served as text/plain
[02:53] <JuJuBee> I can open text file in browser.
[02:55] <JuJuBee> Found it...
[02:56] <JuJuBee> Needed to uncomment ...
[02:56] <JuJuBee> AddType application/x-httpd-php-source .phps
[02:56] <JuJuBee> in the apache2.conf
[02:56] <JuJuBee> Works great now.
[02:57] <_ita> wow .. adept wants to install firefox 1.5 :) is there a tut out there how to get ff2 on kubuntu 6.x or do i just surf getfirefox.com and im happy ?
[02:58] <HymnToLife> ubotu, tell _ita about firefox | _ita, see the private message from ubotu.
[02:58] <boon> can't add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list (no permission) HOW TO?
[02:59] <_ita> thank you :)
[02:59] <HymnToLife> ubotu, tell boon about sudo | boon, see the private message from ubotu.
[03:05] <knx> how can i install old packages on a new installation
[03:05] <knx> how to make adept accept it?
[03:08] <kenox> any ideas?
[03:08] <bxnp> is there sombody who could test something with me
[03:09] <HymnToLife> bxnp, what thing ?
[03:09] <bxnp> do you have skype
[03:09] <kenox> my packages are not recognised
[03:10] <kenox> any config files for apt-get?
[03:10] <bxnp> HymnToLife: do you have skype
[03:13] <HymnToLife> nope
[03:13] <HymnToLife> kenox, which packages ?
[03:15] <kenox> well i installed kubuntu
[03:15] <kenox> 6.10
[03:15] <HymnToLife> and which packages doesn't Apt find ?
[03:16] <kenox> then installed a lot of extra packages from the repository itsel
[03:16] <kenox> then i installed kubuntu on a new system
[03:17] <kenox> now i want to install the downloaded packages on the new system
[03:17] <kenox> i can find the packages in /var/cache/apt/archives
[03:18] <kenox> but simple copy paste on a new sys does not waork
[03:18] <kenox> is there a config file to edit?
[03:19] <ledess> Hi
[03:19] <ledess> hi
[03:23] <johny_> hey guys, I had to update some packages in the system, in my sources.list there are some packs without gpg signs. Having done that with apt interface finished with errors, while synaptic did wverything properly..
[03:24] <kenox> synaptic is gnome
[03:24] <kenox> try apt-get -f install
[03:25] <devilsadvocate> johny_, its ok if you dont have the gpg keys
[03:25] <johny_> kenox: yeah, you're right maine is adept
[03:26] <johny_> devilsadvocate: hay man, really?
[03:26] <devilsadvocate> johny_, yeah. They are for security purpose. Its nice to have them , but its almost always ok if you dont
[03:28] <DaSkreech> devilsadvocate: it is NOT almost aok if you don't have them
[03:28] <johny_> devilsadvocate: ok, i'll keep thst in mind
[03:28] <DaSkreech> It will work but you really should validate the repos
[03:29] <DaSkreech> People can do BadThings(r) with repos.
[03:29] <devilsadvocate> DaSkreech, I know. but it sometimes takes a bit too long - especially the repos which dont have the key listed up front
[03:30] <DaSkreech> I understand but the statement it's almost ok to not have something built for security purpose is a very false sense of security
[03:36] <devilsadvocate> KAudioCreator just stops ripping in a middle of a track...
[03:40] <DaSkreech> Use amarok :)
[03:40] <DaSkreech> Or k3b
[03:40] <DaSkreech> Choice is good
[03:40] <devilsadvocate> amarok can rip?
[03:40] <Jucato> !ripping
[03:40] <ubotu> To rip an Audio CD in KDE, put it in and then put audiocd:// in the Konqueror URL bar; it's configurable in system settings. Also see http://tinyurl.com/2x7qsh
[03:43] <dennis> hi! ich habe das proble, dass ich die alt gr (rechte alt taste) nicht mehr nutzen kann, auch strg + alt + f1 zum switchen in die konsole geht nicht mehr, finde bei google zwar viele mit dem problem aber keine lsung - kann mir hier vielleicht jemand helfen?
[03:45] <LjL> !de | dennis
[03:45] <ubotu> dennis: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[03:46] <LjL> !altgr-#ubuntu-effects | dennis, vielleicht
[03:46] <ubotu> dennis, vielleicht: To have your AltGr working run: xmodmap /usr/share/xmodmap/xmodmap.<language>
[03:49] <dennis> LjL: sorry, i always forget kubunut / kubuntu-de :) the other thing is, that i don't find any folder /usr/share/xmodmap :(
[03:51] <aspedia> what is the best way to create a debian package from mysql-5.033 ?
[03:51] <aspedia> can someone help?
[03:52] <LjL> dennis: well, actually that tip is just for the Xgl channel, so it's probably worthless in a normal setup... dunno - have you tried enabling keyboard layouts from inside KDE?
[03:52] <Jucato> !packaging
[03:52] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources
[03:52] <Jucato> aspedia: ^^^
[03:52] <dennis> LjL: i did, but it did not work...
[03:52] <Jucato> aspedia: although Debiand and Ubuntu might have some differences in packaging processes/standards
[03:53] <dennis> LjL: is it possible to get only the config files of some packages or to reinstall them?
[03:53] <dennis> LjL: i am new to kubuntu and not so familiar with that dpkg i always use the gui package manager
[03:53] <LjL> dennis: well, "apt-get --purge remove package" will remove a package *and* all its global config files
[03:54] <LjL> but it won't work if the package is depended upon by other packages (i mean, it will work but those packages will be removed too)
[03:54] <LjL> dennis: does altgr work in a textmode console? as opposed to X?
[03:55] <dennis> LjL: i cannot switch to non-X-console, cause ctrl+alt+F1 does not work, too
[03:55] <aspedia> okay thanks. Is there something to notice compiling  a daemon so start scripts are installed in /etc/init.d, or better all files are installed in correct place?
[03:56] <aspedia> not to /usr/local
[03:57] <LjL> dennis: oh, really? but that's the left alt, not altgr... weird
[03:57] <just-this-time> little annoying thing. pls tell me if anyone has this file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/wonderful-linux.html
[03:58] <Jucato> just-this-time: in Firefox?
[03:58] <just-this-time> this file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/index.html has links to this non-existant file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/wonderful-linux.html
[03:58] <just-this-time> jucato yes
[03:58] <devilsadvocate> just-this-time, that may be available in ubuntu
[03:58] <just-this-time> because I mucly want and do bring systems to new users
[03:59] <Jucato> just-this-time: tis a bug
[03:59] <just-this-time> jucato yes someone forgot to pack the page
[03:59] <Jucato> just-this-time: nope. it just points to the wrong location
[03:59] <Jucato> file:///usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/wonderful-linux.html
[03:59] <Jucato> that's the correct path
[03:59] <just-this-time> who do we tell to correct in next update such little annoyance
[04:01] <just-this-time> OK  I see jucato  I started installation from alternateCD which is not kubuntu
[04:01] <just-this-time> then jucato installed kubuntu frm internet
[04:02] <Jucato> just-this-time: the file should be there if you installed kubuntu-desktop. the bug is that the link points to the wrong place. all systems have it wrong
[04:02] <DaSkreech> just-this-time: It works fine In konqueror
[04:02] <Jucato> doesn't matter how you installed kubuntu/kde
[04:02] <DaSkreech> just-this-time: Firefox is not a kubuntu application
[04:02] <Jucato> DaSkreech: the bug is for Firefox
[04:02] <DaSkreech> I know
[04:02] <Jucato> I mean, Firefox on Kubuntu
[04:02] <DaSkreech> It's not a Kubuntu app
[04:03] <Jucato> yes. but still, it's a kubuntu doc :)
[04:03] <DaSkreech> Right built with KDE URLs
[04:03] <Jucato> the bug is not in the app DaSkreech
[04:03] <just-this-time> DaSkreech: this is a packaging bug. period
[04:03] <Jucato> just-this-time: not even
[04:03] <DaSkreech> I've brought this up a few times before :)
[04:03] <DaSkreech> If you'd like to you can submit a bug
[04:04] <Jucato> DaSkreech: it has been reported already
[04:04] <kenox> how do i check my free disk space in kubuntu
[04:04] <Jucato> in LP
[04:04] <just-this-time> OK but Iw ill do  it if it really helps
[04:04] <just-this-time> not just to whine
[04:04] <DaSkreech> Jucato: Which bug?
[04:04] <abattoir> kenox: 'df' in the terminal is a quick way
[04:04] <DaSkreech> kenox: df -h
[04:05] <kenox> cool
[04:05] <kenox> thanx
[04:05] <just-this-time> kenox df -h (h - a switch to show megabytes - i.e. human reading)
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Jucato: And of course Ubugtu leaves
[04:07] <Jucato> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs/+bug/65685
[04:07] <Jucato> DaSkreech, just-this-time ^^^
[04:07] <Jucato> perhaps in feisty it's fixed already
[04:07] <DaSkreech> Ask in #ubuntu+1
[04:09] <just-this-time>  ubuntu team  (file:///usr/share/ubuntu-artwork/home/wonderful-linux.html) should talk often to  to kubuntu team (file:///usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/en/kubuntu/about-kubuntu/index.html0)
[04:09] <just-this-time> more serious q.
[04:10] <DaSkreech> Ahh
[04:10] <Jucato> just-this-time: there's only one doc team. the kubuntu-doc is just a group to assign Kubuntu-related doc bugs to
[04:10] <DaSkreech> They are making a firefox specific start page :)
[04:10] <Jucato> maybe...
[04:10] <just-this-time> mistakenly overwrote boot of hda1 which is windows IOw grub stage 2 overwrote windows boot
[04:10] <devilsadvocate> xubuntu docs were terrible for edgy. didnt look at the kubuntu onesthough
[04:11] <abattoir> doesn't look like it's been fixed in feisty, btw
[04:11] <slyfox> In Kmail, how do I make it so that when I reply, it appears on the top rather than onthe bottom to enter texxt ?
[04:11] <just-this-time> other prog HDHACKER has backthe boot of windows in a file in windows partition
[04:11] <DaSkreech> How's Fluxbuntu going?
[04:11] <distro-tester> hello all
[04:11] <Jucato> slyfox: try asking your question a 3rd time in #kontact
[04:11] <just-this-time> can dd take backup and restore it in the right place
[04:12] <just-this-time> where iis boot in hda1 in terms of dd command as opposed to mbr in hda ?
[04:12] <slyfox> Jucato: ok
[04:14] <Jucato> !hidden | hw
[04:14] <ubotwo> hw: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:14] <Jucato> hw: ^^
[04:14] <devilsadvocate> hidden?
[04:14] <hw> Jucato is watchinh me =)
[04:15] <Jucato> hm...
[04:15] <johny_> Question, how do KDE does the fact that is able to work fluently having only few mb of RAm free, and not touching the swap partition?
[04:15] <abattoir> ... is looking for his next prey
[04:19] <ForgeAus> hidden-root?
[04:19] <Jucato> ForgeAus: / level folders except for /home and /media are hidden in Edgy
[04:19] <ForgeAus> oh how most . files don't show up in conqueror?
[04:19] <DaSkreech> !hidden | ForgeAus
[04:19] <ForgeAus> grr konqueror
[04:19] <Jucato> read the link above
[04:19] <ubotu> ForgeAus: Kubuntu Edgy has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles
[04:19] <ForgeAus> IC
[04:20] <ForgeAus> they are hidden but accessible
[04:20] <crazy_penguin> Hello all!
[04:20] <ForgeAus> (just not writable too)
[04:20] <Jucato> they're always accessible
[04:20] <DaSkreech> They were not writable before
[04:20] <ForgeAus> if you use /usr/ for example in konqueror it will take you there
[04:20] <ForgeAus> as long as /usr exists
[04:20] <ForgeAus> DaSkreech unless user=root or course
[04:21] <DaSkreech> Well yeah then * is writable
[04:21] <ForgeAus> I prefer them shown but I do see how it makes things less cluttered/simpler for beginners
[04:21] <DaSkreech> Yeah it should really be a one button turn off though
[04:21] <DaSkreech> Sort of like Windows File sharing over teh network
[04:22] <ForgeAus> optional with the default as off... I like it :)
[04:22] <DaSkreech> Do you want us to explain this or do you just want to have it *click*
[04:22] <DaSkreech> I can't think of an easy way to have it off with a button to turn on and be discoverable though
[04:22] <ForgeAus> um Jucato do you kno wmuch about PXE?
[04:22] <DaSkreech> Unless it's done at install
[04:22] <DaSkreech>  or OEM first Run
[04:23] <Jucato> no
[04:23] <intelikey> what was the command to use svgalib with vlc ?  i can't seem to get anything but ascii vidio out of it in the console... ?
[04:23] <ForgeAus> I need to sort out my DHCP for it to work
[04:23] <ForgeAus> but I'm already a DHCP client
[04:23] <ForgeAus> so does that mean I need DHCP relay instead of DHCP server?
[04:23] <ForgeAus> last time I tried installing it it messed up my Internet...
[04:25] <DaSkreech> Can I bookmark files in kaffiene?
[04:25] <DaSkreech> Or ratehr can I bookmark times within files in kaffiene?
[04:25] <DaSkreech> rather
[04:28] <hw> "Deleting the /.hidden link is not a permanent solution, as it will be restored during the next update of the kubuntu-desktop-setting package."
[04:28] <hw> Can I reconfigure the package?
[04:28] <hw> Not to do so?
[04:29] <Jucato> hw: not recommended
[04:30] <hw> Why?
[04:31] <DaSkreech> How can I remove a string from the start of a word and put it back at the end
[04:31] <Jucato> hw: because next update will just restore the packaged you reconfigured, presuming you know how to reconfigure a debian package in the first place
[04:32] <ForgeAus> DaSkreech nice question...
[04:32] <ForgeAus> hehe copy/paste is the usual way
[04:32] <Jucato> DaSkreech: bash? #bash maybe?
[04:32] <ForgeAus> but programatically? I wouldn't exactly know
[04:33] <hw> funny
[04:33] <BluesKaj> Howdy all :)
[04:33] <hw> . /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: kubuntu-desktop-setting is not installed
[04:33] <hw> funny
[04:34] <DaSkreech> Heya BluesKaj
[04:35] <BluesKaj> hey DaSkreech , how goes it ?
[04:35] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: Ok trying to up my script-fu
[04:36] <BluesKaj> hw /usr/bin/dpkg-reconfigure... you had an sbin there, don't think the "s" belongs
[04:36] <BluesKaj> script-fu?
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Yup
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Keeeeeya!
[04:36] <BluesKaj> which is ?
[04:37] <DaSkreech> Bash programming
[04:37] <BluesKaj> bash the bash
[04:42] <DaSkreech> bashing rocks
[04:42] <DaSkreech>  My Official title at work is Master of Internal bashing
[04:44] <intelikey> : > '" ; ls' ; eval *
[04:46] <Dr_willis> My Official title at work is - not allowed to be said on a Faimly Channel like this one...
[04:46] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:46] <Jucato> my official title in here is "the guy who says !offtopic a lot"
[04:47] <intelikey> yep
[04:50] <BluesKaj> no official titles for noobs ...except maybe "Noob"
[04:51] <Dr_willis> Discussion of Offtopic is offtopic... plaease take it to #offtopic-offtopic-offtopic
[04:51] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:52] <intelikey> thats offtopic
[04:54] <j__> ksysguard just spouted something along the lines "file blaa/blaa.bla does not contain valid XML" when I tried to launch it. it started anyways, but should I be worried?
[04:55] <Dr_willis> 'what me worry?'
[04:55] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:56] <wilfred> hi guys
[04:56] <intelikey> ! i
[04:56] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:56] <Dr_willis> j__,  i dident see any similer error message..  try it as a different user. perhaps that first user has some messed up kde configs.
[04:57] <j__> just comparing CPU load with vista. kubuntu seems to be around 15% on normal use, whereas Vista clocks around 20% idle
[04:58] <intelikey> 15% ???
[04:58] <wilfred> should I be concerned that after upgrading 31 packages are kept back after repeated apt-get upgrades and dist-upgrades?
[04:58] <Dr_willis> wowsers - ksystemguard - has a lot of neat featrues.
[04:58] <Dr_willis> :)
[04:59] <Shak1> Hi someone has an idea which Library i have to install if a program, which i would like to compile says :   "GL is required" ? ---- LIBGLADE.-??? But i am not sure which one.  Maybe mesa, i am confused?
[04:59] <Jucato> Dr_willis: wait till you see ksystemguard for kde 4 :)
[04:59] <intelikey> wilfred heh  sounds like you installed something from 'non-ubuntu' repos
[04:59] <j__> intelikey: yes, unless I'm misinterpreting the graph here
[04:59] <Dr_willis> j__,  try a program like 'top' or 'htop'
[05:00] <Dr_willis> Im using about 8-15% - WITH irc/webbrowser/torrent/vmware going....
[05:00] <wilfred> intelikey: fresh install, used a dapper cd by accident. I have a load of python-xyz packages left over and hpijs
[05:00] <j__> I have a slow processor, 1,5ghz
[05:01] <Dr_willis> !info htop
[05:01] <ubotu> htop: interactive processes viewer. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.2-1 (edgy), package size 42 kB, installed size 172 kB
[05:01] <j__> Dr_willis: using top, which number is the total CPU usage?
[05:01] <user_> j__: is not so slow
[05:01] <Dr_willis> j__,  not sure.. :) i rember why i perfered htop now...
[05:02] <intelikey> wilfred hmmm can't say i've ever seen dapper clean do that.
[05:02] <j__> don't have htop
[05:02] <intelikey> Cpu(s):  0.3% us,  0.7% sy,  0.0% ni, 98.7% id,  0.0% wa,  0.3% hi,  0.0% si
[05:02] <Dr_willis> the #'s dont even jive  with what htop says.. it may be its giving different summarys
[05:02] <Dr_willis> Cpu(s):  4.6%us,  5.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 89.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.3%hi,  0.3%si,  0.0%st
[05:02] <Dr_willis> how about.. instlling htop then. :) its really Cool..
[05:02] <j__> Cpu(s):  4.9%us,  6.2%sy,  0.0%ni, 73.6%id,  0.7%wa,  0.0%hi, 14.6%si,  0.0%st
[05:03] <wilfred> intelikey: should I be concerned? Can I force them to install/should I force them to install? edgy had a new version of python 2.4 -> 2.5 which is probably something to do with it
[05:03] <Dr_willis> looks like you got a little bit of load.. not much
[05:03] <intelikey> wilfred rule of thumb 'if it aint broke, don't fix it.'
[05:03] <Dr_willis> If it aint broke.. break it.!
[05:04] <j__> well, doesn't matter anyways. Anyone here happen to know anything about SVG support in Konqueror?
[05:04] <intelikey> Dr_willis that's the unix way.
[05:04] <Dr_willis> If it aint broke.. give it to my wife.. she will break it.
[05:04] <wilfred> lol ok, I'll leave it
[05:05] <Shak1> hehe
[05:06] <Shak1> One to ad:  If it didn't break it had not enough possibilities....
[05:07] <intelikey> if it's not broke, edit the source code and recompile  ?
[05:08] <intelikey> well i have learned once again that security updates will without fail break something.
[05:09] <j__> intelikey: this seems to be the case. especially when whole new security features are introduced
[05:09] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  what update? ive not noticed any breakage with kubuntu in ages.
[05:09] <intelikey> Dr_willis dapper foomatic-db
[05:10] <Dr_willis> thats the printer drivers?
[05:10] <intelikey> yeah
[05:10] <Dr_willis> I wonder how the adept update knows theres 9 updates...
[05:10] <intelikey> i think you are ok as long as you don't try to install a new printer.
[05:11] <Dr_willis> since the first thing i do is 'fetch list of updates' :) how did it know - if they where not fetched...
[05:11] <intelikey> simple. it counts them.
[05:11] <Shak1> wow, for me the discovery of the day : You agree that by posting any material or information anywhere on the ICQ Services and Information you surrender your copyright and any other proprietary right in the posted material or information. You further agree that ICQ Inc. is entitled to use at its own discretion any of the posted material or information in any manner it deems fit, including, but not limited to, publishing the material or
[05:11] <Shak1> distributing it.  http://www.icq.com/legal/policy.html - its just -> wow! O_o
[05:11] <Dr_willis> how did it know theres been updates.. its some how apt-get updating in the background?
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Shak1: Don't you love AOL?
[05:12] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Probably just looked at the server
[05:12] <Dr_willis> sounds like a blanket  legal thing to prevent getting sued later. :)
[05:13] <Shak1> i havent used icq for 4 years now. many use it so i thought - give it a try --- no way.
[05:14] <caris_mere> I'm getting this error when trying to use my webcam...  can't open /dev/video0: No such file or directory
[05:14] <shinigami> how do i enable ftp services on linux for windows station to ftp in?
[05:14] <j__> Shak1: Myspace used to the exact same thing
[05:14] <j__> then some artist complained loudly enough
[05:14] <intelikey> shinigami setup an ftp server ?
[05:15] <j__> it was fricken Phil Collins or someone, can't remember
[05:15] <intelikey> !ftp
[05:15] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[05:15] <HymnToLife> ubotu, tell shinigami about ftp | shinigami, see the private message from ubotu.
[05:15] <intelikey> !ftpd
[05:15] <ubotu> FTP servers: !ftpd, !proftpd, !pure-ftpd, !twoftpd, !vsftpd - Graphical front-ends: !PureAdmin, !GProftpd (for !GNOME), !KcmPureftpd (for !KDE) - See also !FTP
[05:15] <Shak1> if leonardo had posted a snapshot of his mona lisa and asked others- you like it? Here take it its yours - thank you. oh my god thats heavy
[05:15] <shinigami> !FTP
[05:15] <intelikey> !ftpd # recursive from above ^
[05:15] <ubotu> ftpd: FTP server. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.17-21 (edgy), package size 41 kB, installed size 172 kB
[05:15] <shinigami> intelikey: is there anyway for windows to ssh into me?
[05:16] <intelikey> shinigami yes ssh
[05:16] <shinigami> i know of linux ssh can ssh into me
[05:16] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Taking ownership AWAY from users is not standard legal fare
[05:16] <HymnToLife> shinigami, yes, google for 'openssh win32'
[05:16] <intelikey> !ssh
[05:16] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[05:16] <DaSkreech> Shak1: Write to them and tell them what you think
[05:16] <intelikey> shinigami also see !samba
[05:16] <intelikey> !samba
[05:16] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:16] <shinigami> rsync and scp doesn't work for windows right?
[05:16] <HymnToLife> yes they do
[05:17] <HymnToLife> sftp too
[05:17] <intelikey> scp works on anything that uses ssh
[05:17] <ForgeAus> um how do I get rid of an error message and tell dpkg to forget trying to configure a pacakge that causes it an error?
[05:17] <HymnToLife> ForgeAus, remove it ?
[05:17] <ForgeAus> but I don't want it removed...
[05:17] <intelikey> ForgeAus mmm you don't.
[05:18] <ForgeAus>  its there and it works, also I trie removing it, that also causes an error
[05:18] <Shak1> daskreech: here is the official reply: thank you for your concerns. by mailing your concerns you agreed on the fact that: now it is our concern and you have no right to concern with your concern anymour. good day you sir! hehe
[05:18] <shinigami> k..let's say i got a friend using windows and i would like him to ssh into my ip, what software he should use? i know its irrelevent topic here...but any experiences?
[05:18] <intelikey> ForgeAus dpkg --configure -a ;apt-get install -f
[05:18] <ForgeAus> (the error is something about a daemon that runs along with it)
[05:18] <Slackwise> shinigami: putty
[05:18] <HymnToLife> shinigami, as I told you, google for 'openssh win32'
[05:18] <HymnToLife> there's also putty but I don't know about it
[05:18] <shinigami> got it
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Putty is good
[05:19] <ForgeAus> Starting web server: mzserver ... start-stop-daemon: stat /usr/lib/plt/bin/mzscheme: No such file or directory (No such file or directory)
[05:19] <ForgeAus> comes up that error
[05:19] <Slackwise> Put putty in system32, symlink it to 'ssh'
[05:19] <ForgeAus> (but I don't use the web server components of it anyway)
[05:19] <Slackwise> Then you can just press WinKey+R then type "ssh user@hostname" to connect :P
[05:19] <intelikey> ForgeAus and if you get desparate  --force-all   (last resort kinda thing)
[05:19] <ForgeAus> intelikey I just want it to ignore the packages as if they're installed and forget about them
[05:19] <shinigami> is there a better way to share my files with another windows system friend through internet?
[05:19] <ForgeAus> I don't want it to uninstall or change anything
[05:20] <ForgeAus> or remove
[05:20] <shinigami> i mean.. is this the easiest way?
[05:20] <shinigami> ssh
[05:20] <HymnToLife> ubotu, tell shinigami about samba | shinigami, see the private message from ubotu.
[05:20] <intelikey> ForgeAus no, i don't think that's what you want.   if it is then just remove it.
[05:20] <ForgeAus> intelikey if I remove it doesn't it uninstall?
[05:20] <intelikey> yes
[05:20] <ForgeAus> (which also needs to initialize the web server that fails)
[05:20] <ForgeAus> grrrr
[05:20] <intelikey> if you ignore it. it's not installed.
[05:21] <HymnToLife> all right, rebooting in my freshly compiled kernel, brb :)
[05:21] <ForgeAus> its not configured but its there and working (aside perhaps from the mzserver subcomponent which I don't use)
[05:21] <shinigami> i thought samba only allow lan to access , does it allow through internet?
[05:21] <intelikey> very few packages have any useful files in them unless the configure completes successfully.
[05:22] <ForgeAus> well this one has
[05:22] <sampan> thanks to whoever mentioned htop -- that's a very nice little app :D
[05:22] <ForgeAus> drscheme which depends on it runs fine no errors or nothing
[05:22] <intelikey> ForgeAus did you try the two commands i mentioned ?
[05:22] <intelikey> sudo apt-get install -f
[05:22] <ForgeAus>  the first one yes
[05:23] <ForgeAus> but the second one...
[05:23] <intelikey> sudo dpkg --configure -a
[05:23] <shinigami> !samba
[05:23] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[05:23] <ForgeAus> second one doesn't work
[05:23] <scoates> hello
[05:23] <ForgeAus> neither work
[05:23] <ForgeAus> because of the configuration can't stoart or stop mzserver
[05:23] <intelikey> what's the error from the second one ?
[05:24] <scoates> when my laptop enters S3 (suspend), it takes a really long time to "wake up" afterwards. Where should I look to diagnose/cure this problem?
[05:24] <ForgeAus> Setting up mzscheme (352-1) ...
[05:24] <ForgeAus> Starting web server: mzserver ... start-stop-daemon: stat /usr/lib/plt/bin/mzscheme: No such file or directory (No such file or directory)
[05:24] <ForgeAus> failed
[05:24] <ForgeAus> (I don't even use the mzserver web server... )
[05:24] <ForgeAus> but theres a whole lot more to drscheme than just the web-server component
[05:25] <ForgeAus> (mzscheme is a dependancy of drscheme)
[05:25] <shinigami> what's the samba client for windows?
[05:25] <ForgeAus> shinig? windows itself is a samba client/server
[05:25] <TheInfinity> explorer?
[05:25] <ForgeAus> at least 98 and XP
[05:25] <ForgeAus> (and 2000 and vista)
[05:25] <ForgeAus> I aren't sure that 3.11 or less is Samba tho)
[05:26] <ForgeAus> basically the samba for windows is the my network neigbourhood icon
[05:26] <intelikey> ForgeAus sudo mv `which start-stop-daemon` . ;sudo ln -s /bin/true /bin/start-stop-daemon ;sudo dpkg --configure -a ;sudo rm /bin/start-stop-daemon ;sudo mv start-stop-daemon /sbin/
[05:26] <shinigami> ForgeAus: the Network Neighborhood can access LAN..but what if through internet?
[05:26] <vtiger> Hello
[05:26] <vtiger> Xorg is using up 98% of my CPU
[05:26] <TheInfinity> shinigami: then you have to make a vpn ;)
[05:26] <vtiger> how can I get it to calm down?
[05:27] <shinigami> Ohhhh VPN
[05:27] <ForgeAus> tunneling :)
[05:27] <shinigami> !vpn
[05:27] <ubotu> From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[05:27] <intelikey> ForgeAus note that each ; denotes a new command.  you can use that string as one line or run it's individual parts one by one.
[05:27] <shinigami> sigh
[05:27] <ForgeAus> ahh it worked
[05:27] <shinigami> vpn.........................sigh
[05:27] <intelikey> of course
[05:27] <vtiger> The strange thing is that if I Ctrl+Z Xorg a) all my gui apps keep running but my keyboard doesn't work
[05:27] <ForgeAus> um shouldn't htat have been a copy not a move?
[05:28] <intelikey> no
[05:28] <vtiger> when I resume it it jumps back to 98% CPU usage
[05:28] <ForgeAus> hmmm ... where it was didn't work with mzscheme but what if it where it was was where something else used it?
[05:29] <intelikey> where it was is where it is
[05:29] <timster> I need a coding forum name
[05:29] <timster> hmm
[05:29] <ForgeAus> oh ok
[05:29] <ForgeAus> thanx
[05:29] <vtiger> OK killed amarok and python now takes up 49.8% with Xorg taking up 49.9%
[05:29] <RickSeymour> I'm looking to make the move from Gentoo to Kubuntu, my partitions are /boot / & /home will installing Kubuntu erase all of the partitions? and make one / partition??
[05:30] <intelikey> RickSeymour only if you want it to
[05:30] <Dr_willis> You can tell kubuntu what to install/format/mount where.
[05:30] <Dr_willis> Keeping your /home may cause a few 'little' issues..
[05:30] <RickSeymour> fantastic :) much as i'd love to find a home for 30G !! :)
[05:30] <RickSeymour> little
[05:30] <intelikey> except it will puke if you don't let it format /
[05:30] <RickSeymour> how little is little
[05:30] <vtiger> How do I restart X?
[05:30] <Dr_willis> ownership,/uid/gid of the files.
[05:31] <xsacha> vtiger: ctrl + alt + backspace
[05:31] <RickSeymour> vtiger: press CTRL ALT and BACKSPACE
[05:31] <vtiger> without a local keyboard
[05:31] <Dr_willis> plus ive had issues in the past with different kde versiona and the config files for kde.
[05:31] <Dr_willis> vtiger,  ssh in, restart the kdm service
[05:31] <vtiger> /etc/init.d/kdm ?
[05:31] <Dr_willis> somthing like that.
[05:31] <vtiger> doesn't exist
[05:31] <intelikey> after a new install one should always own their home anyway.   even if it's the same distro
[05:31] <Dr_willis> try looking   some more then.
[05:32] <vtiger> I have a /etc/init.d/x11-common
[05:32] <Dr_willis> $ /etc/init.d/kdm
[05:32] <Dr_willis> esists for me
[05:32] <Dr_willis> exists
[05:32] <intelikey>  /etc/init.d/?dm
[05:32] <vtiger> Yeah :) That's wonderful for you :)
[05:32] <Dr_willis> or gdm, or xdm, perhaps.
[05:32] <Dr_willis> you DID install kubuntu?
[05:33] <intelikey> oh not me.  i would never install kubuntu
[05:33] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  go back to your Slackware! :)
[05:33] <intelikey> that installs kdm which is evil
[05:33] <RickSeymour> why is kdm evil!?
[05:33] <Dr_willis> real men use 'startx' :)
[05:33] <intelikey> RickSeymour it uses /root/ for a config dir
[05:34] <Dr_willis> I cant say that ive ever noticed that intelikey
[05:34] <Dr_willis> then again. i dont do much more with it then type in the user/pass and go on with my work.
[05:34] <RickSeymour> so log as i can auto log in i dont mind...
[05:34] <intelikey> Dr_willis you wont to notice it.   rm -fr /root  ;/etc/init.d/kdm restart ;ls /
[05:35] <Dr_willis> you mean 'ls /root' ?
[05:35] <RickSeymour> rm -rf will take out the dir
[05:35] <Dr_willis> or ya mean it remakes the /root dir eh?
[05:35] <Dr_willis> and what exactly does it put in there...
[05:35] <intelikey> if you run that ^ /root should not exist.... but it will. and world readable.
[05:36] <intelikey> yes it will remake /root and add files.
[05:36] <Dr_willis> go file a bug then. :)
[05:36] <intelikey> easier to just use gdm or xdm
[05:37] <RickSeymour> By the way.. would you recommend with K to have a full 100% / partition or have / & /home
[05:37] <intelikey> but i do   as root# X &    as user# blah --display :0
[05:37] <RickSeymour> (i personally prefer having a /home partition... just in case)
[05:37] <Dr_willis> RickSeymour,  i keep a /home seperate - makes it easier to reinstall.
[05:37] <Dr_willis>   /home is on its own hard drive for me. :)
[05:37] <RickSeymour> oh righty then... well i can simply just move the user dir i want to save and copy everything back after.....
[05:38] <RickSeymour> sensible ;)
[05:38] <Dr_willis> i got spare hard drives so i normaly let the isntaller put /home on / then later i edit the fstab by hand... just to be aure it dont screw with it.
[05:38] <intelikey> if my home was seperate from / it would have to be another hd   i don't use partitions.
[05:38] <Dr_willis> well aint you just 'special' :)
[05:39] <intelikey> yeah
[05:39] <intelikey> :)
[05:39] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: Thanks. I guess the SSh session died and I didn't notice
[05:39] <intelikey> i rode the short bus to school
[05:39] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis, what is the advantage of having seperate partitions for / and home ?
[05:39] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  i was ABOUT to say somthing similer.. but dident want to be mean.
[05:40] <intelikey> FLAME me damn it.
[05:40] <Dr_willis> BluesKaj,  for me - i can reinstall stuff to my  hda, and keep home safe on hdb. and not worry about accidently deleting my  home. or other files
[05:40] <DaSkreech> BluesKaj: You can reinstall and not think about it
[05:40] <DaSkreech> sort of like having a drive for your programs and OS and one for your data in Windows
[05:40] <Dr_willis> HOWEVER... be carefull with using Feisty Fawn.. the way it 'names' the drives.. can bite you..
[05:40] <BluesKaj> ok , now how would i go about seperating them now ?
[05:40] <intelikey> how's that ?
[05:41] <DaSkreech> Dr_willis: whats it do?
[05:41] <intelikey> blkid ?
[05:41] <Dr_willis> feisty - when i 'almost' installed it the other day.. called my ide-controller based drives by /dev/sda sdb sdc and so on.. I 'almost' installed to /dev/sda. which under Dapper was my first SATA drive...
[05:41] <ag3r> someone knows the ip for quakenet server??
[05:42] <RickSeymour> surely a simple fdisk -l would have sorted that one
[05:42] <intelikey> like this ? /dev/sda: UUID="3b8a73bc-e7b6-4f78-990a-8686982b7aed" TYPE="ext2"
[05:42] <Dr_willis> so i 'almost' accidently formated/installed to my ide-controller card IDE drive (hde) by mistake.
[05:42] <BluesKaj> ag3r, google it
[05:42] <ag3r> okei
[05:42] <Dr_willis> when i though it was 'sda' :)
[05:42] <ag3r> thx
[05:42] <intelikey> yeah.  using scsi emulation i guess
[05:42] <intelikey> knoppix used to do that.
[05:42] <Dr_willis> its somthing to do with the revising of the ata libraries or somthing. :)
[05:43] <intelikey> every fixed disk was an  sd?
[05:43] <Dr_willis> thats what got me.. my 2  ide drives on the MB were hda hdb, and so on.. but all the ones on the IDE_controller cards.. became sda/b/c/d/e
[05:43] <Dr_willis> thats what brought up a red flag.. - i only have 2 sata drives.. normally sda and sdb
[05:44] <Dr_willis> they got moved to the end of the chain. sdd sde
[05:44] <intelikey> sd[a,b,c,d]  ^
[05:44] <intelikey> don't correct my syntax...
[05:44] <intelikey> :)
[05:44] <Dr_willis> I do have a bit of an odd system. with 2 ide controller cards.. and 2 sata dries.. and several ide drives
[05:45] <intelikey> yeah 8 drives here.  confuses some things.
[05:45] <Dr_willis> Yep.  so with Feisty - its best to be "very very carefull"
[05:45] <Dr_willis> about lost my porn..err... vacation videos...
[05:45] <Dr_willis> :)
[05:45] <intelikey> i can id all my drives by size....
[05:46] <intelikey> but they are all small...
[05:46] <slow-motion> hallo
[05:46] <Dr_willis> I got several identical drives.
[05:46] <Dr_willis> i 'tried' raid.. and gave up on it. heh heh
[05:46] <intelikey> yeah i did have some the same.  one by one they have been replaces...
[05:47] <Dr_willis> whats sad.. i could replace like all my drives with 2 new drives - and have the same storage space.
[05:47] <Dr_willis> in 8 mo.. it would take 1 drive to replace them all.
[05:47] <siconsole> hi i got this error ( Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[05:47] <intelikey> i could replace all 8 of mine with one old drive and have more room
[05:47] <siconsole> ) when i try to open xchat file transfer window
[05:47] <Dr_willis> bbl
[05:48] <siconsole> how to fix my problem T_T
[05:48] <intelikey> new version of xchat ?
[05:48] <eisma> i hid the menu bar in amarok, how do i get it back?
[05:48] <siconsole> xchat 2.6.6
[05:48] <intelikey> siconsole xchat is ubuntu standard konversation is kubuntu standard
[05:49] <siconsole> i see
[05:49] <intelikey> ^M eisma
[05:49] <siconsole> thx
[05:49] <intelikey> np
[05:49] <eisma> thanks intelikey
[05:49] <intelikey> siconsole feel free to ask in #ubuntu
[05:50] <siconsole> arh im using kubuntu
[05:50] <intelikey> it's still the default for ubuntu.  more likely to get a useful answer in ##windows....
[05:51] <intelikey> sorry i mean #ubuntu
[05:51] <siconsole> i see thx :)
[05:51] <intelikey> fruidian slip of the keyboard
[05:53] <distro-testerzzz> later
[05:55] <timster> Where do i put my PHP files after I have installed php and apache
[05:58] <emonkey> timster, normally under /var/www
[05:59] <timster> To put files there i have to have the write command :/
[05:59] <emonkey> timster, this folders are normally owned by www-data
[05:59] <emonkey> the webserver's user
[05:59] <timster> Can i give myself the permission though?
[05:59] <timster> I have root access/
[06:00] <Mythbusters> Miko-Chan ?
[06:00] <emonkey> there are different ways to do that
[06:00] <timster> Ok
[06:00] <timster> emonkey: how can i find one of them out?
[06:00] <emonkey> depends of what do you want to do
[06:01] <emonkey> with the files
[06:01] <emonkey> if it's opnly a locally used webserver to develope some php-scripts, it's easy
[06:02] <mambo> Is it posder kubuntu?sible to install oracle un
[06:02] <mambo> is it posible to install oracle under kubuntu?
[06:03] <emonkey> timster,  with sudo su -u www-data konqueror you can open a konqueror with ww-data rights
[06:03] <emonkey> that's maybe an easy way
[06:03] <emonkey> there's another easier way:
[06:03] <emonkey> create an folder with your user rights in /var/www
[06:04] <timster> Ok
[06:04] <jhutchins> emonkey: sudo su -u looks like a REALLY bad idea.
[06:04] <timster> It failed
[06:04] <jhutchins> There are very few occasions when you should run a GUI like conqueror from su or sudo.
[06:05] <emonkey> sudo -u without su should work
[06:05] <jhutchins> emonkey: You should NOT run GUI applications with sudo!
[06:05] <jhutchins> !sudo | emonkey
[06:05] <ubotu> emonkey: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:06] <intelikey> !gksudo
[06:06] <ubotu> If you need to run graphical applications as root, use  gksudo , as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Avoid ever using  sudo <GUI-application> 
[06:06] <jhutchins> emonkey: -u is not a valid option for my sudo.
[06:06] <Dr_willis> !kdesu
[06:06] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:06] <Dr_willis> !sux
[06:06] <ubotu> sux: wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.2 (edgy), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB
[06:06] <emonkey> jhutchins, it works for me... mom just another try again
[06:07] <emonkey> jhutchins, works for me
[06:07] <jhutchins> emonkey: Seriously, running something like konqueror under sudo instead of something like kdesu has the potential for a full system reinstall.
[06:07] <timster> jhutchins: bash: gksudo: command not found
[06:07] <Dr_willis> i always 'cheat' and use  sudo mc
[06:07] <jhutchins> emonkey: Just means you haven't found the damage yet.
[06:07] <jhutchins> timster: Since we can assume from the channel that you're running kde and not gnome, try kdesu.
[06:07] <timster> Oh i need KDEsu
[06:07] <Dr_willis> timster,  thats because thats for 'gnome/ubuntu' not kubuntu
[06:07] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:08] <Miko-Chan> Todays Smilie count is sponsored by Dr Pepper(tm) - Smilie count is 1
[06:08] <emonkey> ok...
[06:08] <Dr_willis> timster,  Now you are thinking.
[06:08] <jhutchins> timster: Why are you trying to run konq as root again?
[06:08] <Dr_willis> :(
[06:08] <Dr_willis> :))
[06:08] <Miko-Chan> Todays Smilie count is sponsored by Dr Pepper(tm) - Smilie count is 2
[06:08] <emonkey> sorry, don't knew that sudo can be a problem
[06:08] <timster> I need to put some files in /var/www/
[06:08] <Dr_willis> actually sudo konqueror - i didenbt think would work - due to the X credentials/settings
[06:09] <timster> I cant get php to work :(
[06:09] <Dr_willis> timster,  i tend to use 'mc' as my root filemanager. :)
[06:09] <Miko-Chan> Todays Smilie count is sponsored by Dr Pepper(tm) - Smilie count is 3
[06:09] <timster> whats mc
[06:09] <foxx> Don't suppose someone would mind answering a quick security concern about Ubuntu for me?  I'm still new to this distribution.
[06:09] <jhutchins> emonkey: One of the simplest things that can go wrong is you end up with your configuration files written as root, owned by root, and unchangable.
[06:09] <Dr_willis> !mc
[06:09] <ubotu> mc: midnight commander - a powerful file manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.6.1-5 (edgy), package size 2057 kB, installed size 5944 kB
[06:09] <Dr_willis> mc  - is one of those first things i always isntall on a new system
[06:10] <timster> Ok
[06:10] <jhutchins> timster: I think mc stands for "midnight commander" - it's a clone of an old DOS clone of the QDos ascii menu shell.
[06:10] <emonkey> jhutchins, normally I'm a konsole/vi guy so this doesn't matter...
[06:10] <Dr_willis> theres some other file managers ya could try.
[06:10] <Dr_willis> !dolphin
[06:10] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 238 kB, installed size 932 kB
[06:10] <moparisthebest> does anyone know if kubuntu can be installed on a FAT32 file system?
[06:11] <timster> Are there any gui ones?
[06:11] <Dr_willis> moparisthebest,  i very much doubt it.
[06:11] <emonkey> I would like to say more and faster but my english is too bad... :(
[06:11] <Dr_willis> timster,  'mc' counts as a gui for me. :)
[06:11] <Miko-Chan> Todays Smilie count is sponsored by Dr Pepper(tm) - Smilie count is 4
[06:11] <foxx> I was a bit concerned about the security of sudo with regards to a cracker gaining access to the root account.
[06:11] <hatta> krusader
[06:11] <hatta> krusader is the best file manager ever
[06:11] <Dr_willis> timster,  or worker, gentoo, (yes its a file manager and a disrto)
[06:11] <DaSkreech> emonkey: What language?
[06:11] <hatta> !krusader
[06:11] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.70.1-1 (edgy), package size 2547 kB, installed size 6940 kB
[06:11] <Dr_willis> I perfer 2 pane filemanagers
[06:11] <timster> Ok
[06:11] <Dr_willis> !worker
[06:11] <moparisthebest> ok then, does anyone know of a linux distro that can be installed on a FAT32 file system?
[06:11] <ubotu> worker: highly configurable two-paned file manager for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.11.1-1 (edgy), package size 654 kB, installed size 2416 kB
[06:11] <emonkey> DaSkreech, usually german
[06:11] <hatta> krusader is 2 pane
[06:11] <Dr_willis> !gentoo
[06:11] <ubotu> Other !Linux distributions besides !Ubuntu include: Debian, Mepis (using !APT); RedHat, Fedora, SUSE, Mandriva (using !RPM); Gentoo, Slackware (using other packaging systems)
[06:11] <foxx> I come from Gentoo without using sudo so I'm still trying to get my head around how it would change my security policy
[06:11] <hatta> with a built in terminal emulator
[06:12] <hatta> so nice
[06:12] <DaSkreech> !gr
[06:12] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[06:12] <Dr_willis> gentoo - a fully GUI-configurable, two-pane X file manager
[06:12] <DaSkreech> Doh :)
[06:12] <Miko-Chan> Todays Smilie count is sponsored by Dr Pepper(tm) - Smilie count is 5
[06:12] <DaSkreech> !de
[06:12] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[06:12] <emonkey> DaSkreech, de normally ;)=
[06:12] <hatta> moparisthebest, any distro should be installable on any filesystem the kernel supports
[06:12] <DaSkreech> emonkey: Brain Fart
[06:12] <jhutchins> foxx: Have you read the bot's help on sudo?  I found it pretty useful.
[06:13] <emonkey> DaSkreech, the matter is not that I can't asked for help here, the matter is that I can't do a good support job in here
[06:13] <foxx> jhutchins: can't say I have, where can I locate this bot?
[06:13] <moparisthebest> ok hatta Ill give it a try, thanks
[06:13] <jhutchins> moparisthebest: There are issues with ownership and permissions settings, but yes, you can install and run linux on fat32.
[06:13] <jhutchins> !sudo | fox
[06:13] <ubotu> fox: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:13] <Dr_willis> hatta,  i find your logic in that statement to be rather overly broad..
[06:13] <foxx> jhutchins: Thanks, I'll check it right now
[06:13] <DaSkreech> emonkey: Hmm I guess
[06:14] <DaSkreech> Anyone up for some script-fu?
[06:14] <foxx> ubotu: I know about the purpose of sudo, what I'm concerned about is how I just input my own password to gain root access.  wouldn't that mean it's rather easy for someone who's cracked a user account with sudo capability to gain root access?
[06:14] <foxx> doh, sorry
[06:14] <foxx> !sudo
[06:14] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[06:14] <Dr_willis> its amazing the work being done in the filesystem area of Linux  - we got all sorts of new and neat things being worked on.
[06:14] <intelikey> foxx imo the default *buntu use of sudo is not nearly as secure as a good root passwd.    *buntu uses what i tend to call a 'root jr.' approach to security.    in short this is the concept.  having a root password gives crackers something to work with. so we give 'root jr.' the passwd and if they don't know root jr.'s name we're safe.
[06:14] <emonkey> DaSkreech, I'm admin of kubuntu-de.org and our channel #kubuntu-de I know good. But thanks anyway. :)
[06:14] <Miko-Chan> Todays Smilie count is sponsored by Dr Pepper(tm) - Smilie count is 6
[06:14] <timster> Do i launch mc with sudo?
[06:14] <DaSkreech> I need to search for a pattern at the start of a word and then put it at the end of the word
[06:14] <Dr_willis> timster,  if you want to run it as root.. yes
[06:14] <DaSkreech> emonkey: Whoot!!
[06:15] <Dr_willis> timster,  if you want to run it as your user.. no
[06:15] <timster> Ok
[06:15] <Dr_willis> Doh - frogot about 'filerunner' another very old 2 pane filemanager
[06:16] <timster> DAMBN
[06:16] <timster> I cant get any php files to work on kubuntu
[06:16] <foxx> intelikey: Hmm, that's interesting.  I suppose if you wanted to create a root acount you'd add a root user, put only that person in the sudoers, and leave it at that (or something like that)?
[06:16] <intelikey> foxx no.  root already exists
[06:16] <timster> How can i get php to work on kubuntu?
[06:16] <timster> !php
[06:16] <ubotu> LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[06:16] <intelikey> you just set a passwd
[06:17] <salva> suca
[06:17] <intelikey> and if you want to kill the root jr. you remove them from the admin group or visudo  and setup sudo like it should be.
[06:17] <jhutchins> intelikey: You know, it's really not a very helpful thing to be subverting the distro's security philosophy in the support channel.
[06:17] <genii> Who was asking about linux on fat32? Can't that be done with the syslinux boot?
[06:18] <jhutchins> intelikey: It's better to learn to work with it, and help other people learn it.
[06:18] <intelikey> a propperly setup sudoers file is a very good thing,  shame there is no "default" for that...
[06:18] <jhutchins> intelikey: There's actually no need to enable root login with the sudo system.
[06:18] <Dr_willis> genii,  i think its doable that way.. but i was thinking when ive seen it done. it wa booting a filesystem image off the fat32 partition.
[06:19] <intelikey> jhutchins then you surely havent read what i said.
[06:19] <jhutchins> intelikey: Yes, I have.
[06:19] <jhutchins> There is no need for a secondary account with root privileges.  That is a security hole.
[06:19] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: I believe that mc can be made to run as an X app too.
[06:20] <foxx> jhutchins: But wouldn't it also be a further security hole to just allow a user to be priviledged to execute root things?
[06:20] <jhutchins> foxx: The advantage of using sudo is that the commands are logged.
[06:20] <timster> OH
[06:20] <intelikey> started with.   "<intelikey> foxx imo the default *buntu use of sudo..."    imo == in my openion.  and don't tell/ask me not to have one.  and don't tell/ask me to keep it to myself.  you can ban me from the channel but you can't sensor my speach.
[06:20] <timster> IT WORKS
[06:20] <jhutchins> foxx: If the ops are logged, you can see if someone has broken in.
[06:20] <intelikey> jhutchins is sudo logging turned on by default ?
[06:21] <jhutchins> foxx: If you have a root account enabled, most things are not logged.
[06:21] <foxx> jhutchins: True, but why not just allow su to root, it accomplishes the same thing but requires a separate password
[06:21] <jhutchins> intelikey: I believe so.
[06:21] <jhutchins> foxx: again, because once you become root, your actions are not logged.
[06:21] <foxx> Mainly my concern is over using a user password to gain root access
[06:21] <Dr_willis> jhutchins,  if you count 'in a xterm/konsole' yes.. :) but i was not 'counting' that.
[06:21] <Miko-Chan> Todays Smilie count is sponsored by Dr Pepper(tm) - Smilie count is 7
[06:21] <foxx> jhutchins: I disagree, whenever I su to root in Gentoo my actions are still logged
[06:21] <foxx> jhutchins: If I login as root of course they aren't
[06:21] <intelikey> jhutchins sudo -i   and see how much gets logged.... !
[06:22] <jhutchins> Dr_willis: I thought it was possible to run it directly, but I've never bothered.
[06:22] <jhutchins> intelikey: Again, you are subverting the philosophy of the system then.
[06:22] <intelikey> how ?
[06:22] <Tm_T> ?
[06:22] <jhutchins> intelikey: That's why you DON'T use -i.
[06:22] <Tm_T> intelikey: jhutchins: what's the problem here?
[06:22] <foxx> jhutchins: Of course a sensible user doesn't, but what about a cracker?  Wouldn't that be the first thing they'd do?
[06:22] <manchicken_> Could an op please boot Miko-Chan?
[06:23] <jhutchins> Tm_T: Arguing the philosophy of running as root.
[06:23] <intelikey> oh and a hacker knows to never use sudo -i cause it circumvents the logging of other commands ....
[06:23] <intelikey> ?
[06:23] <manchicken_> Miko-Chan is a spam bot.
[06:23] <intelikey> like give me a break.
[06:23] <timster> :)
[06:23] <Miko-Chan> Todays Smilie count is sponsored by Dr Pepper(tm) - Smilie count is 8
[06:23] <intelikey> Tm_T i gave an openion on sudo  and the fire fight started.
[06:23] <jhutchins> intelikey: There are lots of approaches to linux system security.  You can hire me to teach or implement them.
[06:23] <timster> Is that smile count official? :) :)
[06:23] <Tm_T> intelikey: I notice.
[06:23] <Miko-Chan> Todays Smilie count is sponsored by Dr Pepper(tm) - Smilie count is 9
[06:23] <genii> manchicken Yes, earlier it was PM me to buy books and so on. annoying
[06:23] <jhutchins> intelikey: For new users, however, it is best to stick with what the distribution intends,
[06:24] <timster> :P
[06:24] <jhutchins> intelikey: at least until the user knows the implications of what they're doing.
[06:24] <Mavez-San> !jb
[06:24] <Miko-Chan> Jack Bauer doesn't have a firewall on his PC. He has a Bauerwall. It's basically just a JPEG of Jack Bauer. No virus has ever attacked Jack Bauer's PC. Ever.
[06:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:24] <Tm_T> jhutchins: intelikey: If you like to argue this in personal level, mind to take it to #yourroom ? ;)
[06:24] <intelikey> jhutchins someone comming from the gentoo world is not usually considered  NEW to linux.
[06:24] <jhutchins> intelikey: Helping new users escape the security system without an adeqate knowledge of the implications is not a good idea.
[06:24] <Tm_T> Reasonable conversation ofcourse is welcome.
[06:24] <Mavez-San> !jb
[06:24] <Miko-Chan> Jack Bauer wasn't born, he was unleashed.
[06:24] <intelikey> jhutchins someone comming from the gentoo world is not usually considered  NEW to linux.
[06:24] <adaran> hello everyone. if i have a soundcard that does not (according to wikipedia) support dolby digital 5.1, does that mean i get no 5.1 or is it just there's no decoder/passthrough available on the card?
[06:25] <adaran> (it's an audigy se)
[06:25] <jhutchins> Tm_T: So noted, this is off-topic, I shall drop it.
[06:25] <Tm_T> jhutchins: Thanks. :)
[06:25] <Miko-Chan> Todays Smilie count is sponsored by Dr Pepper(tm) - Smilie count is 10
[06:25] <manchicken_> We need to get rid of this bot and anybody who brought it in.
[06:25] <foxx> adaran: Just the decoder
[06:25] <Mavez-San> !jb
[06:25] <Miko-Chan> When Jack Bauer plays dodgeball, the ball dodges Jack Bauer.
[06:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jb - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:25] <Tm_T> Mavez-San: Remove that bot, thank you.
[06:25] <genii> please op, boot Miko-Chan
[06:25] <timster> Are there any proper gui versions of MC?
[06:25] <jhutchins> adaran: I would imagine you also lack the six outputs for 5.1.
[06:26] <adaran> foxx, i see. since i plan on hooking up the speakers directly to the soundcard (not sure what the technical term is, it's a "dumb" amplifier), i wouldn't need any of those, right?
[06:26] <genii> Tm_T thanks
[06:26] <adaran> jhutchins, it's a soundblaster audigy se, creative advertises it to be capable of 7.1 surround sound and i've got 3 output jacks on the pack (and a 4th one, which may be input or output, not sure)
[06:26] <foxx> adaran: That depends.  You will be able to hook up the speakers but to my knowledge if it's not supporting the actual sound channel of Dolby Digital it may not come through as expected.  This is something you'll need to test, though
[06:27] <jhutchins> adaran: Dunno.  I have a Soundblaster Live with 4 channel output, and a stereo three-speaker system plugged into the first output.
[06:27] <foxx> adaran: I don't know for sure but I think you'll be fine
[06:27] <ForgeAus> how different is a Desktop environment form just a Windows Manager?
[06:27] <adaran> foxx, yeah, i hope so too, but i'm confident. =)
[06:27] <jhutchins> adaran: Ah.  Misunderstood the question then.
[06:27] <adaran> ForgeAus, a DE is a window manager and some other applications that you may need (desktop, menu bar, etc.)
[06:27] <foxx> adaran: I've got a similar thing going on with a Envy24 and have no problem with 5.1 surround so it should work fine
[06:28] <jhutchins> adaran: Probably you will only get regular stereo, not true 5.1, the extra outputs may not have anything on them.
[06:28] <foxx> ForgeAus: Consider a window manager like the kernel and a DE like a distribution
[06:28] <adaran> jhutchins, now, that i doubt, as i said, it's advertised as beeing able to do 7.1 and i have high hopes for creative =)
[06:28] <foxx> ForgeAus: Pretty much that's the difference in a nutshell
[06:28] <timster> How do i use Chmod?
[06:28] <timster> !chmod
[06:28] <ubotu> The files and directories on an Ubuntu system are organized according to a standard, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard - file permissions are explained at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FilePermissions - All filenames and directory names (and many other things) are case sensitive in Linux
[06:28] <jhutchins> Some cards do have 5.1 support in linux, but some of the newer soundblasters don't have full support yet.
[06:28] <ForgeAus> but gnome or kubuntu aren't entire distributions
[06:28] <Dr_willis> chmod whateveroptionyouwant
[06:29] <timster> so chmod /var/www/ then 777?
[06:29] <ForgeAus> (although I think there is a GnomeLinux distro or something nowerdays but thats beside the point)
[06:29] <foxx> ForgeAus: It's an analogy, though Kubuntu is a distribution
[06:29] <jhutchins> adaran: As far as I know Creative doesn't offer Linux drivers.
[06:29] <ForgeAus> most distros use Gnome or KDE... or XFCE or fluxbox
[06:29] <Dr_willis> timster,  that dosent sound proper... depends on what you are trying to do.
[06:29] <ForgeAus> yeah but kubuntu is debian + kde right?
[06:29] <foxx> ForgeAus: Not at all
[06:29] <Tm_T> ForgeAus: Ubuntu + KDE
[06:29] <ForgeAus> or rather ubuntu - gnome + kde
[06:29] <foxx> ForgeAus: It's a set of tools from Ubuntu with KDE as teh default
[06:29] <Tm_T> ForgeAus: Yes that's what it is.
[06:30] <foxx> ForgeAus: Debian, by the same logic, is just apt-get plus a few other tools
[06:30] <genii> Does anyone know why plain old xdm is broken?
[06:30] <adaran> jhutchins, who does? but their cards are very well supported by alsa (i think) - the emu10k1 ones always work right out of the box for me, and the audigy (emu10k2) will hopefully, too. i'm just replacing my damned intel hd audio onboard chip, for some reason, i cannot get the rear out to work
[06:30] <Dr_willis> the kernel + a bunch of shell scripts.
[06:30] <adaran> jhutchins, i have an sb live!, but its only capable of 4.0
[06:30] <foxx> adaran: Best thing you can really get is a Hammerfall
[06:30] <Dr_willis> adaran,  i got an audigy 2zs - works great for me.
[06:30] <adaran> foxx, for 25  ?
[06:30] <ForgeAus> welll all I'm asking for is how would AROS go about becoming a DE?
[06:30] <foxx> adaran: If you want serious audio they're the best.
[06:30] <foxx> adaran: Not too far off, yeah
[06:30] <ForgeAus> its already an entire OS or one that can be hosted under Linux
[06:31] <Dr_willis> got a CreatviveLive24bit one for like $25 and it worked good also.
[06:31] <itzikt__>   ?   ??
[06:31] <foxx> adaran: It's also one of the only cards that 1)seriously well supported in Linux and 2)actually does studio grade hifi audio
[06:31] <ForgeAus> but I'd like to see an AmigaOS like DE (rather than the amiwm windows manager thats not very configurable)
[06:31] <adaran> foxx, what's the exact name of the card?
[06:31] <foxx> adaran: Nowadays you can find the Hammerfall Lite from RME
[06:31] <adaran> Dr_willis, great, thanks.
[06:31] <genii> Damn, what is that? Hebrew?
[06:31] <user_> CLI utility for .deb installs ?
[06:31] <foxx> adaran: They typically make studio equipment but their Hammerfall Lite is an awesome card.
[06:31] <user_> !deb
[06:31] <ubotu> deb is the Debian package format, also used by Ubuntu. To install .deb files, simply double-click on them (Ubuntu) or right-click and select Kubuntu Package Menu->install (Kubuntu)
[06:32] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  install the uae emulator, install the amiga os... then realize "WHAT a long way we have gone since the amiga days" - go back to kde...
[06:32] <Dr_willis> :)
[06:32] <ForgeAus> then the only thing linux would be missing (aside from emulating the look of in KDE or another WM) is MacOS (and macos apps)
[06:32] <foxx> ForgeAus: Pretty much.
[06:32] <yuriy> Dr_willis: really? i never got mine to do surround so i got an audigy2zs which works great
[06:32] <Dr_willis> I recall a few os-9 look alikes.. :)
[06:32] <adaran> foxx, i don't doubt it. i'll look into it when I want to get a serious card. however, at the moment i'm on a budget and i just want to get my new 5.1 set working with linux.
[06:32] <ForgeAus> lol Dr_Wills but I can't run my linux proggies under UAE can I?
[06:32] <user_> ForgeAus: CLI utility for installing debian ?
[06:32] <Dr_willis> yuriy,  i always just mirror the front to the rear..
[06:32] <yuriy> Dr_willis: sb 24bit that is
[06:32] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  nope. No 'wine for the amiga'
[06:32] <yuriy> but that was back on breezy
[06:33] <foxx> adaran: For that you shouldn't have any problem.  Be sure to check out a few FAQs about the emu10k1 driver controls in the mixer
[06:33] <Dr_willis> yuriy,  oh.. that one.. i jus had hooked up to stero. :)
[06:33] <ForgeAus> lol DrWills :)
[06:33] <jhutchins> adaran: THere's a good chance that it'll be better in the next kernel.
[06:33] <ForgeAus> yeah that too
[06:33] <foxx> adaran: They can be a bit confusing
[06:33] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  whats scary - i cant think of any real applications for the amiga i actually want to run.
[06:33] <adaran> foxx, afaik it's not emu10k1 anymore on the audigy (shame i couldn't find a used sb live 5.1)
[06:33] <Dr_willis> ForgeAus,  i would like to have a DeluxePaint Clone :) but i DO think one exists
[06:33] <foxx> adaran: No?  What about emu10k2?
[06:33] <Dr_willis> !find deluxepaing
[06:33] <genii> Dr_willis Video Toaster?
[06:33] <adaran> jhutchins, what exactly?
[06:33] <Dr_willis> !find deluxepaint
[06:34] <adaran> foxx, yeah, i think that's the one. will know more once i put it in
[06:34] <ubotu> Package/file deluxepaing does not exist in edgy
[06:34] <ubotu> Package/file deluxepaint does not exist in edgy
[06:34] <Dr_willis> genii,  no need for it -  :)
[06:34] <intelikey> Dr_willis i have the same problem with pc's    can't really think of any good use for them...
[06:34] <adaran> foxx, now i wish someone would write a decent alsa documentation (not howto or guide - i want some front-end knowledge, like what's happening where and such.)
[06:34] <Dr_willis> now you are all making me feel old rembering the old apps i used to run.
[06:34] <genii> LOL
[06:34] <Dr_willis> intelikey,  Porn! thats the end-all-need for them.
[06:35] <adaran> foxx, hmm rme is a german company, but i can't find their german website =/
[06:35] <intelikey> Dr_willis if so.  then i have no need for them....
[06:35] <foxx> adaran: No, should be an American company.
[06:35] <Dr_willis> The fat pipes need porn to scoure them clean.
[06:35] <adaran> foxx, oh, there it is
[06:35] <adaran> foxx, rme-audio.com ?
[06:35] <foxx> adaran: Those are the guys/gals/its
[06:36] <foxx> adaran: Of course, for now your solution with the Audigy is just fine.  =)
[06:36] <adaran> foxx, that's synthax audio AG, registered in munich =)
[06:36] <foxx> adaran: Oh?  Huh, didn't know that
[06:36] <timster> Why diddn't just chmod in the firstplace
[06:36] <adaran> foxx, it's a bit obscure, so i'm looking for a supplier
[06:37] <foxx> adaran: Anyway, their cards are just something to keep in mind for your next project, the Audigy works pretty well in Linux at the moment (I still have some complaints but they're for another discussion).
[06:37] <foxx> adaran: Yeah, they unfortunately are not as easy to find since they don't *usually* deal in consumer audio
[06:37] <Dr_willis> timster,  because now anyone can now write to your web files? and you just created a security hole?
[06:37] <foxx> adaran: But they've been well-supported in ALSA for quite awhile and sound fantastic
[06:37] <Dr_willis> timster,  plus its beter to learn the 'proper' way to do things? :)
[06:37] <adaran> foxx, if only i could find a price... :P
[06:38] <surgy> hello
[06:38] <foxx> adaran: Last time I did some poking around the Hammerfall Lite was about $40~50 USD so 25 Euro isn't beyond consideration
[06:38] <timster> Dr_willis: Can't I chmod just for me? Anyway, im the only one taht uses this pc
[06:39] <adaran> foxx, usually, convert USD -> EUR with a 1:1 exchange rate =/
[06:39] <Dr_willis> timster,  'learning the proper way' to do things.. is always a good idea.
[06:39] <timster> Dr_willis: its just for testing my php
[06:39] <intelikey> could own them and chmod 644        no?
[06:39] <timster> Chmoding is better than MC
[06:39] <timster> lol
[06:39] <foxx> adaran: Wish I could do that on this island, my USD gets pwn3d hard by the Euro here
[06:39] <Dr_willis> timster,  its harder to unlearn bad habbits...
[06:39] <Dr_willis> timster,  plus if you knew a little bit more linux.. that task would of been trivial
[06:39] <adaran> foxx, RME HDSP-9652 Hammerfall PC/MAC - 499 
[06:39] <adaran> foxx, not the bargain i hoped for =)
[06:40] <timster> Dr_willis: lol, ohwell, its easier this way. Heh im new to linuxz
[06:40] <foxx> adaran: Strange, might be the original Hammerfall
[06:40] <eross> how do i connect to my shared printer on my windoze machine
[06:40] <foxx> adaran: I KNOW I saw it for cheaper...a lot cheaper.
[06:40] <adaran> eross, printe rhooked up to cups_
[06:40] <adaran> eross, ?
[06:40] <Dr_willis> byeeee
[06:40] <foxx> adaran: But it's been awhile since I've shopped for parts.
[06:40] <timster> How can i connect to a Printer that is connected to another PC
[06:40] <eross> what are cups
[06:40] <adaran> foxx, =) i guess i'll unwrap the audigy now =)
[06:40] <foxx> jhutchins: Anyway, I'm sorry my question started a flame war
[06:41] <foxx> adaran: Heh, yeah!  =)
[06:41] <intelikey> eross cups and maybe samba ?
[06:41] <foxx> jhutchins: Is there any way to disable the usage of sudo -i ?
[06:41] <intelikey> !cups
[06:41] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:41] <intelikey> !samba
[06:41] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:41] <eross> i can ping my windoze machine fine, i stil need to make some connection between them?
[06:41] <user_> i want a copy of sytem menu on desktop aside from on panel
[06:41] <jhutchins> There's a printer sharing page on the wiki, tells you exactly how.
[06:41] <foxx> jhutchins: Or perhaps to requrie a separate password for root priviledges?
[06:41] <eross> even over the intranet?
[06:42] <jhutchins> cups should be able to connect to it.
[06:42] <foxx> jhutchins: Ultimately I'd be pretty happy if you needed to input a separate password to engage root priviledges
[06:42] <intelikey>  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers ^
[06:43] <timster> Ok I just shared my music on my main PC, but on linux its asking for a password :/
[06:43] <adaran> eross, if your printer is hooked up to your linux box, and is running on cups (as it is most likely), you'll just need to set up ipp-printing on windows
[06:43] <eross> no it's hooked up to my windows box
[06:43] <eross> i'm running edgy on vmware on another puter
[06:43] <genii> timseter Use the login name for Windoze and the password for that
[06:43] <adaran> eross, oh, then you'll need to use cups to add a windows printer via samba
[06:44] <intelikey> ah vmware
[06:44] <eross> what are cups, is that like a bra size
[06:44] <timster> genii: i have no password for it
[06:44] <intelikey> that may complicate the thing.
[06:44] <foxx> eross: Something like that except more entertaining past five minutes
[06:44] <intelikey> eross sort of.
[06:44] <genii> timster Then try the right name and then no password
[06:44] <timster> Still doesnt work
[06:44] <adaran> ollte
[06:45] <intelikey> ! cups > eross
[06:45] <timster> !cups
[06:45] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[06:45] <adaran> eross, complicated unix perkiness system
[06:45] <eross> thanks
[06:45] <intelikey> complicated?
[06:46] <timster> Is there a defult password
[06:46] <timster> Is there a default windows password
[06:46] <intelikey> beem me up scotty   ?
[06:46] <intelikey> lol
[06:46] <intelikey> that was at one time.    sorta.
[06:48] <timster> !samba
[06:48] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:51] <intelikey> why is eval built into bash ?  isn't that like the worst init command ever used ?
[06:52] <Lars_G> Riddell: THANKS!!!
[06:54] <intelikey> http://pastebin.ca/raw/344310
[06:55] <intelikey> i knew eval was bad.
[06:59] <micaleto> Hi
[06:59] <nico> hello
[06:59] <micaleto> Hola !
[07:00] <user_> !locale
[07:00] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[07:01] <crube> Is there a working DC++ client for Linux?
[07:03] <fritsch> crube: of course linuxdc++
[07:04] <fritsch> crube: http://linuxdcpp.berlios.de/articles.php?um=index
[07:04] <crube> Thanks
[07:04] <fritsch> crube: in one of the ubuntuforums there was a howto of howto build it and the dependencies
[07:05] <soulrider> guys, im getting some extremely high pings
[07:06] <crube> fritsch: Thanks, found it
[07:06] <soulrider> like im getting over 900ms for IRC
[07:06] <soulrider> and its only this PC that is online
[07:06] <soulrider> could it be my router settings ?
[07:06] <fritsch> crube: addiotionally you need libssl-dev before compiling
[07:06] <just-this-time> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4600/
[07:06] <soulrider> brb
[07:06] <just-this-time> sudo dpkg-reconfigure localeconf
[07:06] <dwidmann> 900ms isn't that bad ... could be worse, like mine
[07:07] <just-this-time> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4600/
[07:07] <just-this-time> \o pls  ^^^
[07:07] <cpk1> oh no! I am chatting with under a second of delay!
[07:07] <cpk1> =P
[07:07] <raeez> how do you make a script you specify run at kde startup?
[07:08] <intelikey> !autostart
[07:08] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[07:15] <soulrider> genii: can i have some milk too ?
[07:15] <eross> btw here is cups, but still not connecting  ~:/
[07:15] <eross> http://localhost:631/
[07:16] <intelikey> what means 'nasa' ?
[07:16] <genii> soulrider sure :) Just bring a cup (I'm drinking from the carton)
[07:17] <intelikey> eross the windows box is set to "share it printer" isn't it ?
[07:17] <genii> Actualy I have a cup of coffee and a litre of chocolate milk right now LOL My tunny is unsettled from so much coffee so the milk helps a bit
[07:17] <intelikey> s/it/it's/
[07:17] <genii> tummy, not tunny
[07:17] <ubuntu> hiya everyone
[07:17] <ubuntu> can anyone help me ?
[07:17] <soulrider> hi
[07:17] <soulrider> ubuntu: sure
[07:17] <dwidmann> genii: ah, thanks for the tip :)
[07:17] <intelikey> ubuntu no.
[07:17] <soulrider> does anyone know how i can change my MTU?
[07:18] <intelikey> no one knows shat you need....
[07:18] <eross> yes
[07:18] <ubuntu> well basically i cant get my wifi card working with kubuntu
[07:18] <soulrider> my pings are HORRIBLE, around 800 to google, and form ym windows box only 250ms
[07:18] <fritsch> soulrider: sudo ifconfig ethX mtu 1452
[07:18] <ubuntu> its detects it , and has the drivers for it
[07:18] <intelikey> !wifi | ubuntu
[07:18] <ubotu> ubuntu: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[07:18] <genii> soulrider Sounds like some dns issue
[07:18] <soulrider> genii: why? it used to be ok
[07:19] <soulrider> and theyre connected through the same router
[07:19] <eross> uri looks like this:  smb://EHOME//192.168.2.22/Printer2
[07:19] <genii> soulrider See if you get same ping times using IP address for same site
[07:19] <dwidmann> if it's a dns issue, perhaps something like pdnsd or dnsmasque could help
[07:19] <ubuntu> aparetnly its a bug in kubuntu ?
[07:20] <genii> soulrider Shorter pings with IP = dns
[07:20] <ubuntu> that it has trouble with dhcp
[07:21] <ubuntu> anyway ok so that cool i can fix that , is it possible to instal kubuntu on an external hard drive ?
[07:22] <genii> ubuntu Sure, just install it to some external drive then make sure the grub of the internal drive gets the entry added to it
[07:22] <bxnp> fritsch: what does that command do, ethX mtu 1452
[07:23] <ubuntu> i wont kubuntu , will it work ?
[07:23] <fritsch> bxnp: sets the mtu of ethX to 1452
[07:23] <fritsch> bxnp: where as ethX X <- 0.....n
[07:23] <eross> get Network host is busy, will retry
[07:24] <soulrider> damn
[07:24] <soulrider> my connection died
[07:24] <nabil> i am able to get the 1280x800 mode but the atix1300 driver seems to fail in fglrxinfo
[07:24] <soulrider> im gonna try pinging now
[07:24] <fritsch> bxnp: soulrider aksed for the mtu ;-) so i told him
[07:24] <nabil> whats next
[07:24] <genii> ubuntu Doesn't matter what version you install, same process
[07:24] <bxnp> ekee
[07:24] <just-this-time> !locale
[07:24] <ubotu> To set up and configure your locales, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LocaleConf
[07:25] <nabil> can anyone help!!!  i am able to get the 1280x800 mode but the atix1300 driver seems to fail in fglrxinfo
[07:25] <ubuntu> oo i see , so how do dual boot ? i want windows on my internal hard drive and kubuntu on my external
[07:25] <soulrider> genii: im gonna try pinging the same IP from different computers now
[07:26] <eddie> hey all! I'm having a problem getting my broadcom 4309 working in Edgy. I've read mthrough the wifi docs but I can't relly figure them out
[07:26] <genii> ubuntu Just make sure that the boot manager Grub gets installed to the drive which tries to boot first is all. then you can have whatever operating systems you want
[07:26] <fritsch> broadcom, this was the one with the firmware?
[07:26] <genii> soulrider OK
[07:26] <fritsch> eddie: you have to cut it out from the binary? inorder to get it loaded?
[07:26] <soulrider> genii: pinging the same ip, ubuntu gets 900ms, windows gets 245ms
[07:26] <ubuntu> so i put grub onto the inernal drive ? how do i do that ?
[07:27] <fritsch> eddie: or am i totally wrong ;-)
[07:28] <just-this-time> how ot unlock /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[07:28] <genii> soulrider Try the command tracepath<ip address>  from ubuntu and then from windoze dosbox tracert <ip address>  to see if they differ in routes
[07:28] <soulrider> genii: i used to directly connect to my modem and i would get normal pings, around what my windows box is getting
[07:28] <just-this-time> how to unlock /var/cache/debconf/config.dat
[07:29] <eddie> ok, I'm pretty new to linux so how can that be done?
[07:29] <Admiral_Chicago> ah 4309 is an evil one. I had trouble with it myself. gl
[07:29] <Admiral_Chicago> never got it working
[07:29] <eddie> man
[07:29] <soulrider> genii: when i do tracepath 64.233.167.99 after my router i start seeing "no reply"
[07:30] <eddie> doesn't sound promising
[07:30] <genii> soulrider Timing out or the machines do not respond to icmp then
[07:30] <just-this-time>  how do i unlock and or find who locked /var/cache/debconf/config.dat ?
[07:30] <eddie> they arent completely integrated are they? I could take it out for another one that will work right?
[07:30] <soulrider> !adeptfix
[07:30] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[07:30] <tzbishop> How could I get a source packages and all the packages (dev specially) it needs to be compiled. Is it possible on Kubuntu?
[07:31] <just-this-time> wow quick answer soulrider tyvm
[07:31] <genii> soulrider Same command from windoze shows responses inbetween?
[07:31] <soulrider> let me try genii
[07:32] <soulrider> genii: works on windows =/
[07:32] <soulrider> tzbishop: what you wanna do is compile something and make a deb package ?
[07:32] <just-this-time> soulrider: can restart help in any way ? stupid me !
[07:33] <tzbishop> soulrider: yes.
[07:33] <soulrider> tzbishop: install build-essential and checkinstall
[07:33] <soulrider> compile by using ./configure and make
[07:33] <tzbishop> soulrider: checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[07:33] <genii> soulrider Hmm. Looks like some misconfiguration of gateway or dns then.
[07:33] <soulrider> and then do checkinstall
[07:33] <just-this-time> meaning about locked config.dat
[07:33] <tzbishop> soulrider: i think I need some devel packages...
[07:33] <genii> likely dns
[07:33] <soulrider> tzbishop: you need to install some dependencies then
[07:34] <tzbishop> soulrider: apt can't install those deps for me?
[07:34] <soulrider> genii: it used to work just fine when i directed connected it to my modem
[07:34] <soulrider> tzbishop: not sure, i thinik you probably need some library
[07:34] <soulrider> let me give you some names
[07:34] <genii> soulrider Did you remove the pppoe client and revert back to dhcp client (or whatever system you connect by now)
[07:35] <soulrider> tzbishop: try libx11-dev
[07:35] <soulrider> genii: i still have my pppoe client
[07:35] <soulrider> and i didnt touch any settings
[07:35] <soulrider> my router one day just decided it wanted to dial for me, something that it never did in 2 years
[07:36] <tzbishop> soulrider: it's okay. I'll solve deps.  I though  apt could solve them for me
[07:36] <soulrider> tzbishop: theres probably a way to make it solve them
[07:36] <soulrider> !build-dep
[07:36] <ubotu> build-dep is a handy APT tool that will try to automatically install build (compile) dependencies for you. In the terminal: sudo apt-get build-dep package
[07:36] <genii> soulrider So then i gather you plugged both machines into a switch and just continued to use the pppoe login software on both? Or a router inbetween that does the pppoe part and then internal dhcp to the lan?
[07:36] <soulrider> genii: my setup is like this
[07:37] <soulrider> i have a router and 2 PCs + modem connected to it
[07:37] <soulrider> i used to just do sudo pon dsl-provider to connect
[07:37] <soulrider> but yesterday my router decided it wanted to connect for me
[07:37] <soulrider> i didnt change anything in my config
[07:37] <soulrider> i still give myself my IP manuall;y
[07:38] <soulrider> alhough the windows box is set up to get it form the router
[07:38] <tzbishop> soulrider: thanks. apt is really nice (ive been using slack for a few years)
[07:38] <soulrider> i see
[07:38] <soulrider> tzbishop: most programs are in the repos
[07:39] <soulrider> but you can find a deb for almost anything too, i have rarely needed to compile stuff myself
[07:39] <theNOTO> is there an easy way to check what version of kubuntu my system is on?
[07:39] <soulrider> theNOTO: uname -a
[07:39] <tzbishop> soulrider: i know. I'm a stupid guy who likes to optimize some programas
[07:39] <soulrider> try it, not sure though
[07:39] <soulrider> lol
[07:39] <tzbishop> :P
[07:39] <soulrider> nothing wrong with that
[07:39] <genii> soulrider I think your best bet then is to set the router to do the modem login part and then have it do internal dhcp or set the machines manually for internal IPs and then you can specify gateway and so on.
[07:40] <soulrider> genii: why would i wanna specify a gateway ?
[07:41] <soulrider> theNOTO: the command i told you sint useful, sorry
[07:41] <soulrider> !version
[07:41] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[07:41] <soulrider> there theNOTO
[07:41] <genii> soulrider Well, if you have the router doing dhcp then it should auto-assign the proper gateway to clients (it's own IP usually). But if the machines are getting lost right after the router IP then gateway seems screwy. But since you have a router that does login, forget using the pppoe client software on the machinesis my advice
[07:41] <soulrider> genii: i dont know much about networking
[07:42] <theNOTO> ubotu: great thanks
[07:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about great thanks - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:42] <theNOTO> soulrider: thanks
[07:42] <soulrider> genii: ill change it to get the ip automatically then
[07:42] <soulrider> theNOTO: ubotu is a bot :P
[07:42] <tzbishop> :P
[07:43] <soulrider> !snack
[07:43] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about snack - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:43] <soulrider> !botsnack
[07:43] <ubotu> Yum!
[07:43] <genii> soulrider Most routers have some web interface to configure them. so look in the book for it and see the IP. Then configure it to be the login. And then dhcp for the lan
[07:43] <soulrider> ill be back in a sec
[07:43] <genii> soulrider Then just use auto setups on the lan boxes
[07:44] <genii> soulrider Okies
[07:44] <eross> woohoo, got it working
[07:45] <eross> had to specify as other and it gave me some valid looking syntax to enter
[07:45] <vellu> i need some help with QTparted, i'm trying to format external nfts hdd but i have no idea how to use that program
[07:45] <eross> smb://[name] @server/folder
[07:45] <BluesKaj> damn!, darn capsunlock script gets undone after every bootup ...I have it in the bash.bashrc file , but it doesn't work every session like it's supposed to ..any ideas
[07:45] <BluesKaj> not working at all now
[07:45] <eross> now to get some sort of opengl working in this vmware - ugghhh
[07:46] <soulrider> genii: im getting my IP automatically now
[07:46] <soulrider> and im still getting horrible pings
[07:46] <soulrider> genii: i can try going to windows on this box and pinging from there
[07:47] <genii> soulrider Soon i will have to leave to go do some chores. But I will return in about an hour after that
[07:48] <soulrider> ok
[07:48] <soulrider> im gonna download arch linux and try on VMWare int he meantime :P
[07:48] <genii> soulrider Have you ever gotten into the web interface of your router to look at it?
[07:49] <soulrider> yes
[07:49] <soulrider> but theres not much to configure
[07:49] <theNOTO> soulrider: haha, i am a bonehead
[07:49] <theNOTO> soulrider: thanks again
[07:49] <soulrider> lol, why theNOTO ?:P
[07:49] <genii> At minimum should be somethibng like either bridged mode or gateway/router mode
[07:50] <theNOTO> soulrider: talking to the bot
[07:51] <soulrider> ahh lol
[07:53] <genii> Your modem (not router) should be set to bridged mode. then the routerdoes the login part. If it needs mtu settings, for dsl connection use 1497. Then have it set for dhcp server on the lan. Then the clients just get set to auto always instead of using some pppoe client software. This is a better layout in may ways. Some isp only allow so many pppoe login for instance on a connection. also...
[07:53] <genii> ...many routers have port forwarding capability so you can selectively run things like a web server on port 80 to an internal lan ip and so on. also a measure of protection from portsniffing programs. they fall dead at the router
[07:55] <genii> OK, have to leave for a bit :) See you all in around an hour
[07:55] <genii> soulrider I'll see you then if yer still around
[07:55] <soulrider> see ya!
[07:55] <foxx> Would anyone be able to point me in teh direction of how to configure *Ubuntu to act as a gateway to another system plugged into it (like the Internet Connection Sharing bits of Windows XP)?
[07:56] <foxx> Would it be just like setting up a gateway/router and designating one of the network interfaces as incoming?
[07:56] <fritsch> foxx: your pc -> internet
[07:56] <soulrider> foxx: i havnt done anything like that in the past. If i had to do it right now id look int he forums
[07:56] <fritsch> foxx: other computer <-> cable to your pc
[07:56] <fritsch> foxx: after that just iptables and MASQUERADING
[07:57] <foxx> fritsch: You wouldn't know where I could find out about how to set up those two with Ubuntu would you?
[07:57] <fritsch> foxx: soulrider is probably right ... there are detailed howtos outside
[07:57] <fritsch> foxx: mmmh ask google *g* would be the same, i would do now
[07:57] <foxx> Thank you
[07:57] <foxx> Oh, how's Wireless support in Linux these days?
[07:58] <foxx> Haven't tried it in...well, a very long time
[07:58] <spitwise> just dandy
[07:58] <fritsch> foxx: depends on the hardware
[07:58] <fritsch> foxx: but with ndiswrapper many stuff is possible
[07:59] <foxx> To my knowledge the adapter I'm using (Belkin WiFi-G one of some variety) should be supported
[07:59] <foxx> Basically that system is working as the gateway for my X360 to connect to the rest of the network
[08:04] <PupenoR> Is it possible with find to get all files older than a certain date?
[08:05] <Gala> !paste
[08:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[08:07] <unix_infidel> PupenoR: sure.
[08:07] <unix_infidel> the man pages outline it very well.
[08:07] <PupenoR> unix_infidel: I've read the man page and I can't figure it out. Can you help me?
[08:08] <PupenoR> oh, nevermind.
[08:08] <unix_infidel> :)
[08:09] <jott_> PupenoR: read the "TESTS" section.. namely "+n -n n" and atime/ctime/mtime
[08:09] <unix_infidel> even on windows i use the find binary.
[08:10] <hammer2> how ya manage respoatories
[08:10] <delusions> hi, i'm trying to setup a server for network booting, i found that a file located in ubuntu/install/netboot/pxelinux.0 needed for ubuntu, i cant find that file in kubuntu disc, what do i need to boot from kubunut
[08:10] <delusions> kubuntu*
[08:10] <hammer2> muilty verse?
[08:10] <just-this-time> !alternative
[08:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alternative - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:10] <just-this-time> !alternatives
[08:10] <ubotu> To change the default applications system-wide, use 'sudo update-alternatives --all' in a terminal.
[08:11] <hammer2> !muiltyverse
[08:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about muiltyverse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:11] <hammer2> !muilty verse
[08:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about muilty verse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:11] <|Soul^shadow|> WTF
[08:11] <hammer2> ya wtf
[08:11] <|Soul^shadow|> stupid nickserv
[08:11] <n1x0r> !multiverse
[08:11] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:11] <hammer2> ty
[08:12] <n1x0r> np
[08:12] <eross> how do i install a .deb package?
[08:12] <delusions> dpkg -i package
[08:13] <|Soul^shadow|> How wouldI install Samba I d/l'd a new version I think I got repository, How do I install it
[08:13] <eross> ty
[08:16] <mray> hi i can't properly boot into my KDE anymore after an "apt-get install gnome-core" - any help is welcome!
[08:17] <|Soul^shadow|> dont use gnome it sucks
[08:17] <PupenoR> |Soul^shadow|: aptitude install samba, otherwise read the samba documentation (README, INSTALL) and be careful.
[08:17] <mray> i know!
[08:17] <fritsch> mray: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm
[08:17] <|Soul^shadow|> u cant run gnome & kde it causes errors & your pc to blow up :P
[08:17] <fritsch> mray: this reconfigures your login manager ...
[08:17] <mray> fritsch, sounds promising!
[08:18] <fritsch> mray: have a try
[08:18] <delusions> can someone tell me if theres netboot available in kubuntu disc 6.06
[08:18] <|Soul^shadow|> using aptitude but I d/led a new version & trying to add its repository
[08:18] <mray> i'll try that!!
[08:18] <fritsch> mray: after having done: sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[08:18] <hammer2> anyine here use amsn?
[08:19] <hammer2> anyone use amsn here?im wondering how ya go about getting the updated version
[08:20] <hammer2> cant get it with apt when amsn is installed says update available
[08:21] <Tm_T> !away
[08:21] <ubotu> Please don't use public away messages or change your nick to 'someone|away'.  We know you're away when you don't respond to messages. Also see !guidelines
[08:22] <|Soul^shadow|> great my reposotory effed up
[08:23] <Tm_T> crazy_penguin: Black5un|away: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:23] <anyu> hy all
[08:23] <Tm_T> anyu: Hi.
[08:23] <anyu> how can i get kde 3.5.6 on dapper?
[08:23] <|Soul^shadow|> how do I fix my apt-get?
[08:23] <Tm_T> anyu: kubuntu.org helps.
[08:23] <anyu> there is only for edgy
[08:23] <Tm_T> |Soul^shadow|: Depends how it's broken.
[08:24] <|Soul^shadow|> invalid reposotory error
[08:24] <Tm_T> anyu: Ah, Dapper, only way to get it is by compiling yourself.
[08:24] <|Soul^shadow|> tried manualy installing depository
[08:24] <anyu> why if dapper is long time supported?
[08:24] <anyu> or that means other?
[08:24] <Tm_T> |Soul^shadow|: Be more spesific.
[08:25] <|Soul^shadow|> Not found /home/soul-shadow/samba/samba-3.0.24/REVISED error line 1_1
[08:25] <|Soul^shadow|> invalid repository what else can I say
[08:25] <mray> fritsch: strange! suddenly i could login again (i couldn't even after several reboots!)
[08:25] <Tm_T> anyu: Dapper is meant to keep very stable, that means it can't contain all newest stuff. (or would need thousands of testers and coders I think)
[08:25] <Tm_T> |Soul^shadow|: Then fix that line, I can't read your sources.list ;(
[08:26] <tish> WQooooool
[08:26] <fritsch> mray: so it is fixed?
[08:26] <Tm_T> |Soul^shadow|: Use pastebin for example, I'll try to check it then.
[08:26] <tish> Hola
[08:26] <|Soul^shadow|> where is sources.list located?
[08:26] <anyu> Tm_T: okay, thanx...:/
[08:26] <|Soul^shadow|> what command to clean apt-get
[08:26] <Tm_T> anyu: Np.
[08:26] <slyfox> Is it possible to make messages in Kmail like a Conversation on Gmail or a thread or somehow group same topic messages together ?
[08:27] <mray> fritsch: i tried an "apt-get remove gnome-core" but how can i be sure that all associated gnome packages are really removed?
[08:27] <|Soul^shadow|> got it need to open as rot :P
[08:27] <mray> fritsch: i still got the GNOME option in my bootmanager
[08:27] <|Soul^shadow|> root*
[08:28] <rd__> Hiya. I've apt-get installed kubuntu-desktop on a dapper server. As it was freezing when I wanted to /etc/init.d/kdm stop, I've uninstalled it, however I still have the Kubuntu splash screen when booting (where it says "mounting root filesystem... ok" and so on...) How could I get rid of it ? :)
[08:28] <fritsch> mray: not so easy
[08:28] <|Soul^shadow|> try the comand ./kill Gnome DIE DIE DIE :P
[08:28] <fritsch> mray: dpkg -l |grep gnome
[08:28] <fritsch> mray: this gives you a list of installed gnome files
[08:28] <just-this-time> internet installing takes a lot even on broadband
[08:28] <rd__> I'd like the regular boot sequence back
[08:29] <fritsch> mray: be careful do not uninstall packages you need
[08:29] <just-this-time> we should copy our local mirror on every new release
[08:29] <just-this-time> is there !dvds??
[08:29] <just-this-time> !dvds
[08:29] <ScarFreewill1> is there a whats new for feisty?
[08:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dvds - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:29] <ScarFreewill1> !dvd
[08:29] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[08:29] <just-this-time> !mirror
[08:29] <ubotu> Kubuntu can be downloaded in various formats from here: http://kubuntu.org/download.php
[08:30] <tish> algien habla espaol
[08:30] <mray> fritsch: a hard task. is it common that gnome packages are used in kubuntu?
[08:30] <just-this-time> come again ubotu
[08:30] <just-this-time> !mirror | just-this-time
[08:30] <fritsch> mray: some libs, yes or some programms, gtk libs ...
[08:31] <ScarFreewill1> !whatsnew
[08:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about whatsnew - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:31] <|Soul^shadow|> I try not to use Gnome& kubuntu causes chaos & you have little gnomes runing around your pc casuing havoc
[08:31] <just-this-time> kounoupi #ubuntu-gr too
[08:31] <just-this-time> !gr
[08:31] <dwidmann> ScarFreewill1: one sec while I dig it up
[08:31] <|Soul^shadow|> :P
[08:31] <ubotu> #ubuntu-gr  #kubuntu-gr     /  #ubuntu-gr kai #kubuntu-gr gia Ellhnes xrhstes
[08:31] <ScarFreewill1> dwidmann: k
[08:32] <mray> fritsch could you have a quick look at the list of packages and tell me if that is "common" ?
[08:32] <eross> i'm running edgy on vmware, but it can't see my 6150LE nvidia card
[08:32] <eross> is there something I need to do
[08:32] <fritsch> mray: nope ;-)
[08:32] <eross> I tried running the envy script and it says nvidia card not found
[08:32] <fritsch> mray: have to go, sorry
[08:32] <mray> about 38 packages?
[08:33] <mray> is that normal?
[08:33] <mray> fritsch: thank you anyway - you were a great help!
[08:33] <|Soul^shadow|> #1 reason I hate gnome, anyone see that stupid travolocity commertial with that roaming gnome?? That thing makes you wanan kill urself its so annoying & repetivly showing...
[08:34] <dwidmann> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FeistyFawn/Herd3/Kubuntu | ScarFreewill1
[08:34] <ScarFreewill1> dwidmann: txh
[08:34] <ScarFreewill1> dwidmann: thx
[08:34] <|Soul^shadow|> dwi? Drunk while intoxicated :)
[08:34] <dwidmann> eross: when using vmware, the virtual machines don't get direct access to the  hardware
[08:35] <eross> dern
[08:35] <mray> does anybody know how many gnome files a "rather common" kubuntu install uses?
[08:35] <xenol> !backup
[08:35] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[08:36] <|Soul^shadow|> la la samba rukes la la XP blows
[08:36] <|Soul^shadow|> rules*
[08:36] <dwidmann> Basically, what Linux is seeing is basically an imaginary video device that Vmware lets it see eross
[08:36] <ScarFreewill1> i'm using edgy atm but i don't know how to get fps on glxgears and there is no --help parameter
[08:36] <dwidmann> glxgears -printfps I think
[08:36] <|Soul^shadow|> like my imagonary gnomes runing acros my screen?? P
[08:36] <h3sp4wn> ScarFreewill1: run strings `which glxgears`
[08:37] <tish> Hola algien habla espaol ???
[08:37] <h3sp4wn> ScarFreewill1: then you will find what your looking for (its something like -iacknowledgethistoolsisnotabenchmark)
[08:37] <|Soul^shadow|> no english here
[08:37] <tish> dios
[08:37] <tish> xD
[08:37] <|Soul^shadow|> !kubuntu-el
[08:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-el - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:37] <eross> ah ok
[08:38] <|Soul^shadow|> damn wrong one
[08:38] <dwidmann> -printfps should work too, doesn't take nearly as long to type either
[08:38] <ScarFreewill1> dwidmann: it does thx
[08:39] <|Soul^shadow|> whats the bot command for spanish kubuntu chan :P
[08:39] <tsdgeos> !es
[08:39] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:39] <jott_> dwidmann: but the result is literally the same :p
[08:39] <|Soul^shadow|> thx
[08:39] <|Soul^shadow|> I was cose I typed el :P
[08:39] <|Soul^shadow|> close*
[08:39] <tsdgeos> "espaol"
[08:39] <dwidmann> Yes, but i can never remember the exact phrase for the "I acknowledge this tool is not a benchmark" jott_
[08:40] <changeme> Hello
[08:40] <tish> tsdgeos  que passa nen
[08:40] <dwidmann> hi changeme
[08:40] <jott> dwidmann: with literally i mean "glxgears is not a benchmark" ;)
[08:40] <|Soul^shadow|> :)
[08:41] <|Soul^shadow|> I am NOT changing you :P
[08:41] <dwidmann> jott: of course it isn't.
[08:41] <dwidmann> |Soul^shadow|: too late, s/he/it left
[08:42] <|Soul^shadow|> :(
[08:42] <dwidmann> If it's of any comfort the frist thing I thought when i saw that nick was diapers too though
[08:42] <|Soul^shadow|> installing ll my crap for sharing this BETTER work now :p
[08:42] <just-this-time> w32codecs not in repos?
[08:43] <|Soul^shadow|> lol
[08:43] <|Soul^shadow|> doesnt w32 usualy stand for windows 32bit?
[08:43] <dwidmann> It does
[08:44] <dwidmann> !mulitverse | just-this-time
[08:44] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mulitverse - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:44] <|Soul^shadow|> dude u want channel Microshaft or Winblows :P
[08:44] <dwidmann> !multiverse | just-this-time
[08:44] <ubotu> just-this-time: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[08:44] <tsdgeos> |Soul^shadow|: w32codecs is a package of non-free? windows 32 codecs that mplayer can use to play some multimedia files
[08:44] <just-this-time> chill pls
[08:45] <|Soul^shadow|> the irc server is irc.billgates.sux just-in-time :p
[08:45] <dwidmann> !microsoft
[08:45] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[08:45] <|Soul^shadow|> oh god he is infecting me :P
[08:46] <|Soul^shadow|> where the linuxdebugger :)
[08:46] <bomber> kill bill
[08:46] <dwidmann> It's not bill gates that worries me ..... steve ballmer scares me
[08:46] <|Soul^shadow|> steve why?
[08:46] <dwidmann> thou shalt not kill -9
[08:46] <dwidmann> He's crazy.
[08:47] <|Soul^shadow|> so am I, whats ur point :P
[08:47] <dwidmann> Perhaps I was wrong, he's beyond crazy.
[08:47] <jott> play some xbill ;)
[08:47] <Hirvinen> |Soul^shadow|: Kill only takes numerical IDs. "killall bills"
[08:48] <dwidmann> developers developers developers developersAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! + flying chairs = crazy
[08:48] <|Soul^shadow|> how can u mesure sanity? there is a thin line between insane & genious
[08:48] <xenol> !tar
[08:48] <ubotu> Files with extensions .tar, .gz, .tgz, .zip, .bz2, .7z, .ace and other archive file formats can be opened with ark - also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FileCompression
[08:48] <|Soul^shadow|> some say I am crazy wth Idea's I have but the idea's can work I know it
[08:48] <xenol> crap
[08:48] <xenol> !backup
[08:48] <ubotu> There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[08:49] <dwidmann> |Soul^shadow|: go on youtube or something and look for steve ballmer videos. You'll see why he scares me.
[08:50] <|Soul^shadow|> heh I had actual conversations about a plausable way to build a light sabre :P
[08:50] <GioS^_^> !dvd
[08:50] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[08:50] <|Soul^shadow|> & these ppl are like me & we came up with formulas & types of materials to use to make it work :P
[08:51] <|Soul^shadow|> .!sanity check
[08:51] <dwidmann> http://youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc
[08:51] <|Soul^shadow|> tell me dwi How do you measure sanity & insanity?
[08:52] <|Soul^shadow|> .!sanity check failed
[08:52] <dwidmann> Very, very carefully
[08:53] <|Soul^shadow|> there alot of ppl that are locked up they call insane but there actually genous & scare are goverment...
[08:53] <tish> agien espaol??
[08:53] <|Soul^shadow|> genious*
[08:53] <tish> algien espaol
[08:53] <tsdgeos> !e
[08:53] <ubotu> Enlightenment (or "E") is a window manager for X, providing a useful, and good looking graphical shell in which to work. E17 is the current development version.
[08:53] <tsdgeos> !es
[08:53] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[08:53] <tsdgeos> tish: ^^^^^^^^
[08:53] <|Soul^shadow|> !kubuntu-es
[08:53] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-es - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:55] <just-this-time> !alien
[08:55] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu does not use RPM, but !APT, and RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[08:55] <just-this-time> is there a GUI based alien for RPM ?
[08:55] <|Soul^shadow|> dwi u would be amased on how many ppl hide there smarts because are goverment would use them for evil ways :(
[08:55] <|Soul^shadow|> yes just
[08:55] <just-this-time> alien dangerous ?
[08:55] <ubuntu> hiya
[08:55] <ubuntu> guys can you help me ?
[08:56] <|Soul^shadow|> yeah alien will try to probe   you in places you didnt know u had
[08:56] <xenol> write your problem
[08:56] <ubuntu> ok
[08:56] <just-this-time> ubuntu change you r/nick
[08:56] <ubuntu> u want to instal kuuntu
[08:56] <ubuntu> kubuntu
[08:56] <|Soul^shadow|> change ur nick
[08:56] <ubuntu> and i want to know if i descide i want to instal windows later will it still install?
[08:57] <just-this-time> ubuntu -> sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop -- > enjoy !
[08:57] <just-this-time> ubuntu need to keep part of disk ( partition for that ) or squeeze with liveCD GPARTED
[08:57] <|Soul^shadow|> linux & ubuntu dont get along
[08:58] <|Soul^shadow|> gnome = evil
[08:58] <ubuntu> i dont unserstand lol
[08:58] <|Soul^shadow|> just redo os with kubuntu
[08:58] <|Soul^shadow|> linux  & windows wont work
[08:58] <|Soul^shadow|> I tried
[08:58] <ubuntu> hehe i had open suse working with windows
[08:58] <|Soul^shadow|> download kubuntu iso & make a cd
[08:59] <ubuntu> but it wouldnt pick up my wifi card
[08:59] <xenol> guys i got a problem
[08:59] <xenol> i just backuped my root
[08:59] <xenol> and the end file is big like 24.5 mb
[08:59] <xenol> is it possible?
[09:00] <|Soul^shadow|> that all 24.5 meg
[09:00] <|Soul^shadow|> whats the prob?
[09:00] <|Soul^shadow|> 24 1/2 meg nohing
[09:01] <|Soul^shadow|> nothing*
[09:01] <xenol> well the root is big like 3 gb and final backup.tgz is like 24.5 mb big
[09:01] <|Soul^shadow|> xenol you running on a 100 meg HD :P
[09:01] <ubuntu> whats better guys ? kubuntu or open suse ?
[09:01] <xenol> no :D
[09:01] <|Soul^shadow|> kubuntu
[09:01] <ubuntu> why is that ?
[09:01] <|Soul^shadow|> 24.5 mb small
[09:01] <xenol> ubuntu: i will ask u
[09:02] <dwidmann> ubuntu: that's subjective
[09:02] <xenol> wat is easier download rpm and and u dont know if that u downloaded is good or just type in terminal sudo apt-get install app name ?
[09:02] <ubuntu> sorry i just needed convincing , i used open suse and really like it but i just couldnt get my wifi card working , i like kubuntu very much to
[09:02] <|Soul^shadow|> ubuntu suse asI know is problamatic like a mac however kubuntu with all things properly installed runs liek a god
[09:02] <dwidmann> Go to this room and ask that, then go to #opensuse and ask that. Compare the results. I think you'll find these rooms to be somewhat biased
[09:02] <ubuntu> cant deside
[09:03] <just-this-time> debian package from command line ?
[09:03] <just-this-time> deside => decide ;-)
[09:03] <|Soul^shadow|> I hear suse too much like old mac :P
[09:03] <ubuntu> hehe thanks guys!
[09:03] <xenol> just-this-time:  ur right apt-get owns rpm :)
[09:03] <ubuntu> heya
[09:04] <ubuntu> wait what room am in in ? lol
[09:04] <|Soul^shadow|> aahahhhhh!
[09:04] <xenol> just-this-time:  is it possible that 3gb partiotions backup tgz is like 24.5 mb ? :D
[09:04] <xenol> big
[09:05] <|Soul^shadow|> u backup just /root or al of / ??
[09:06] <xenol> i backup whole / without /dev /home /lost+found /proc /sys
[09:06] <slyfox> Does anyone know how to remote control windows machine form Kubuntu ?
[09:07] <|Soul^shadow|> thats easy sly
[09:07] <|Soul^shadow|> u get access to a windows $c u can control it all
[09:07] <xenol> hm ?
[09:07] <just-this-time> nope xenol why asking that 3 gb stuff?
[09:07] <|Soul^shadow|> you can use cain & able for linux & have control fast
[09:08] <xenol> just-this-time:  i am asking cause i think that 24.5 mb gzipped tar made from 3gb is kinda weird dont u think?
[09:08] <xenol> well too small
[09:09] <xenol> naa it is 1gb now
[09:09] <slyfox> It really means nothing to me "u get access to a windows $c u can control it all" I am just a Linux noob tryon to conenct to my Windows box remotely
[09:09] <PupenoR> is the partition 3gb of size or 3gb of data?
[09:09] <xenol> 3gb of data
[09:09] <|Soul^shadow|> ooohh u gotta confgure samba
[09:09] <xenol> nvm stupid question it displays correct size now
[09:10] <|Soul^shadow|> then u can access winblows from linux not windows to linux yet, I am tryig to fix that now
[09:10] <just-this-time> xenol it took most prolly only home dir
[09:10] <just-this-time> chk it
[09:10] <xenol> i excluded home
[09:10] <PupenoR> xenol: then I would find it strange, really strange... unless there's a 3gb file of zeros and only zeros.
[09:10] <|Soul^shadow|> !stupid-meter xenol
[09:10] <|Soul^shadow|> :P
[09:10] <xenol> PupenoR:  only fresh install with updates
[09:10] <xenol> |Soul^shadow|:  :/
[09:10] <Satyr> anyone know much about raid?
[09:11] <|Soul^shadow|> yeah it kills bugs well
[09:11] <dwidmann> Satyr: yeah
[09:11] <dwidmann> not sure about "much", but "enough for me" anyway
[09:11] <Satyr> dwidmann: know how to get grub to work with it?
[09:11] <|Soul^shadow|> set ur raid controler as main
[09:11] <|Soul^shadow|> in bios settings
[09:12] <|Soul^shadow|> most likly its a bios settign thing
[09:12] <bronze> apt-cache search  fslint returns nothing for fslint. Who is responsible for this travesty?   :-)
[09:12] <dwidmann> Which sort of RAID? Hardware, multichannel disk controller + dmraid, or software RAID(mdadm)?
[09:12] <EspenBe> any java-experts here?  I try to install a program depending on java on my Edgy-box, but it fails to install and returns an error message: "Exception in thread main ....."
[09:12] <ubuntu> guys i am told that Kubuntu has trouble with dhcp connection on wifi , but i got told if you update it it fixes this problem , is this true ?
[09:12] <EspenBe> how can I solve this stuff?
[09:13] <|Soul^shadow|> no I dont drik coffe :P
[09:13] <|Soul^shadow|> drink*
[09:13] <xenol> ubuntu:  u have wifi connection?
[09:13] <ubuntu> yeah
[09:13] <dwidmann> EspenBe: which JVM are you using?
[09:13] <ubuntu> but it says connection failed
[09:13] <ubuntu> what jvm ?
[09:13] <ubuntu> i am a newbie lol
[09:13] <dampyr_D> ciao
[09:13] <xenol> java virtualization machine
[09:13] <xenol> !it
[09:13] <Satyr> dwidmann... good question... *thinks* on startup it comes up with nvidia RAID stripe etc...
[09:13] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[09:14] <EspenBe> dwidmann: Blackdown (j2re1.4)
[09:14] <ubuntu> ermm i dunno how do i find out ?
[09:14] <xenol> ubuntu: find out what
[09:14] <dwidmann> Satyr ... that would probably be the multichannel disk controller (aka FakeRaid, looks like hardware RAID but it isn't) + dmraid ...
[09:14] <ubuntu> i thought you were asking what jvm i am using ?
[09:14] <ubuntu> ooo i am confused hehe
[09:14] <xenol> ubuntu: i wasnt asking about it
[09:14] <xenol> :)
[09:14] <dwidmann> EspenBe: have you tried other JVMs or does it not work with them either?
[09:15] <xenol> ubuntu: i advise u one thing if u want to try opensuse and kubuntu try both as live cd
[09:15] <bronze> are 'deb' packages compatible with apt-get ?
[09:15] <dwidmann> EspenBe: keeping in mind things tend to be "made to work for" Sun's reference JVM
[09:15] <EspenBe> dwidmann: I tried Sun's version as well, but I got the same result...
[09:15] <xenol> and which u like more install it :)
[09:16] <Satyr> dwidmann: go fake raid! i like it as long as it has 300gb space XD. sadly, the annoying thing is that grub hates it like a hater and won't accept that it exists :(
[09:16] <EspenBe> dwidmann: I can try to uninstall the Blackdown-stuff, and then install the Sun-version
[09:16] <dwidmann> EspenBe: and you set the default JVM with update-alternatives, or no?
[09:16] <ubuntu> yeah i have tried open suse
[09:16] <ubuntu> and  i like kubuntu
[09:16] <ubuntu> but
[09:16] <ubuntu> i am worried
[09:16] <EspenBe> dwidmann: eh...how do I do that?
[09:16] <ubuntu> that it wont work with my wifi
[09:16] <dwidmann> Satyr: mind pastebinning your /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[09:16] <xenol> hmm did u encounter any problem till now?
[09:16] <|Soul^shadow|> my pc at home ahs raid no probs
[09:16] <xenol> is http working?
[09:17] <ubuntu> no its not working
[09:17] <|Soul^shadow|> just check bios settings 7 make sure it see's the raid Hd as first boot
[09:17] <dwidmann> EspenBe: "sudo update-alternatives --config java" if I remember right
[09:17] <|Soul^shadow|> &*
[09:17] <ubuntu> the wifi manager searches for cionnections
[09:17] <ubuntu> finds my router
[09:17] <ubuntu> i put in my passcode
[09:17] <Satyr> dwidmann: aint gonna happen m afraid, i don't have one lawl. runnin from win, tried to get kubuntu a lil while ago but couldn't solve this problem
[09:17] <ubuntu> and it says @conection failed@
[09:17] <xenol> ubuntu:  well if ur wifi not working then why u r on IRC? =)
[09:17] <ubuntu> ethernet
[09:17] <|Soul^shadow|> try sudo apt-get fuck-bill-gates :P
[09:17] <xenol> ah
 raid on what?
[09:18] <xenol> |Soul^shadow|:  lol
[09:18] <dwidmann> Satyr: ah, that could be a problem, let me dig something up for you
[09:18] <|Soul^shadow|> my pc at home
[09:18] <Satyr> running kubuntu?
[09:18] <julien_> how can i do to go to ubuntu french server???
[09:18] <xenol> ubuntu:  no ideas then
[09:18] <Satyr> dwidmann: thanks :)
[09:18] <dwidmann> !fr
[09:18] <|Soul^shadow|> its a simple sis raid device !fr
[09:18] <julien_> yes
[09:18] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:18] <|Soul^shadow|> !fr
[09:18] <julien_> thank you
[09:18] <julien_> bye
[09:18] <|Soul^shadow|> np
[09:19] <EspenBe> dwidmann: I was given the option to choose which java I wanted.  Chose the "correct" one and re-run the installer for my program, but it did not have any effect...
[09:19] <ubuntu> aparently kubuntu has trouble with dchp connections
[09:19] <ubuntu> and that ubdating kubuntu fixes this
[09:20] <dwidmann> I think this is it Satyr: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/FakeRaidEdgy
[09:20] <xenol> how can i update from alternate cd 6.10 my dapper plz?
[09:20] <|Soul^shadow|> really I got no prob runing off router myself just plugegd it in & it worked
[09:20] <ubuntu> oo not cable
[09:20] <ubuntu> i have wifi
[09:20] <|Soul^shadow|> dsl
[09:20] <ubuntu> wireless
[09:20] <ubuntu> yeah dsl
[09:20] <dwidmann> ubuntu: are you running 6.06 (dapper) or 6.10(edgy)?
[09:20] <ubuntu> ooo i dont know
[09:20] <|Soul^shadow|> but my home c cable works with livecd no prob
[09:20] <ubuntu> how do i find out ?
[09:21] <|Soul^shadow|> 6.10 edgy dont like dapper
[09:21] <dwidmann> EspenBe: odd, could just be a bug?
[09:21] <ubuntu> hmmm how do i find out ?
[09:21] <Stromberg`> hey Kubuntu 6.10 here - im missing the "deb" command - how can i get it?
[09:21] <|Soul^shadow|> could be ur pc has a brainfart
[09:21] <|Soul^shadow|> dont
[09:21] <dwidmann> ubuntu: "lsb_release -a" will tell you
[09:21] <|Soul^shadow|> deb on kubuntu bad drom what I hear
[09:21] <EspenBe> dwidmann: I found a lot of similar problems in different web-sites, but it seems to be a problem for many people...
[09:22] <Satyr> dwidmann: that's one tasty article lol. thanks a lot :D
[09:22] <Stromberg`> oh ok - how do i add new repositories then?
[09:22] <Stromberg`> just wanted to install that ntfs-3g stuff
[09:22] <|Soul^shadow|> use apt-get update
[09:22] <ubuntu> edgy ?
[09:22] <|Soul^shadow|> in konsole
[09:22] <ubuntu> thats the one
[09:22] <|Soul^shadow|> yes
[09:22] <ubuntu> is that the better one ?
[09:22] <dwidmann> Satyr: this reminds me of sweet, nostalgic memories of when my array corrupted ......
[09:22] <|Soul^shadow|> the only one :P
[09:22] <ubuntu> ooo lol
[09:23] <Stromberg`> apt-get update for adding repos?
[09:23] <ubuntu> well i read on a forum that you just have install updates then it will be ok
[09:23] <|Soul^shadow|> u could install synaptic but I hear it causes issues
[09:23] <ubuntu> oo another thing can i dual bot with windows and kubuntu ?
[09:23] <|Soul^shadow|> nope
[09:23] <dwidmann> ubuntu: the only thing newer than Edgy is Feisty, but it's still in alpha
[09:23] <dwidmann> ubuntu: you can
[09:23] <ubuntu> i cant dual boot :S
[09:23] <ubuntu> i can ?
[09:23] <|Soul^shadow|> neither can I
[09:24] <Stromberg`> i have dual boot here
[09:24] <Satyr> dwidmann: lmao i know perhaps how you felt, when i installed edgy (with the live CD and fakeraid xD) it broke the whole comp, windows too
[09:24] <|Soul^shadow|> 2 Hd's or 1?
[09:24] <Satyr> yeah, dual boots what im tryin tdo
[09:24] <Stromberg`> its just grub so you can ofcourse
[09:24] <Satyr> with 1 hd
[09:24] <ubuntu> 1 hd
[09:24] <|Soul^shadow|> im using 1 HD cant duel off suel partitions
[09:24] <Satyr> yshould be able to lawl
[09:24] <|Soul^shadow|> duel*
[09:24] <Stromberg`> 1 hd here too
[09:24] <ubuntu> but open suse did using grub
[09:24] <ubuntu> i have an external hard drive
[09:24] <ubuntu> could i install it there and duel boot
[09:25] <Stromberg`> yea sure wherever
[09:25] <|Soul^shadow|> well i tried installing wondows after kubuntu but wont give me a boot option
[09:25] <Stromberg`> oh that sucks
[09:25] <dwidmann> ubuntu: I've never tried it with an external, that could be trickier
[09:25] <Stromberg`> well it should work
[09:25] <Stromberg`> but you dont get it automatically
[09:25] <ubuntu> ooo ok then
[09:25] <Stromberg`> you have to configure grub yourself then
[09:26] <|Soul^shadow|> us lilo better then grub?
[09:26] <Stromberg`> its the same
[09:26] <ubuntu> i am worried that when i install kubuntu i cant overwrite is with windows if i dont liek it ?
[09:26] <Stromberg`> not much differences
[09:26] <|Soul^shadow|> used to use lilo on ubunu
[09:26] <DaSkreech> I need to search for a pattern at the start of a word and then put it at the end of the word. Any ideas?
[09:26] <pixelation> gosh it's been too long, I have a folder on my desktop for a pretty simple template, all the .jps and index and everything are just in there... how do I make Nvu realize where all the image files are?
[09:26] <|Soul^shadow|> mua ha ha
[09:27] <xenol> how can i upgrde my kubuntu 6.06 to 6.10 using alternate cd?
[09:27] <dwidmann> !tab | |Soul^shadow|
[09:27] <ubotu> |Soul^shadow|: You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[09:27] <DaSkreech> !upgrade
[09:27] <ubotu> See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[09:27] <dwidmann> !sed | DaSkreech
[09:27] <|Soul^shadow|> oooh
[09:27] <ubotu> DaSkreech: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[09:27] <DaSkreech> dwidmann: It's in Multiple files. How do I repipe them?
[09:28] <dwidmann> That's awful, ubotu doesn't want to tell us about sed :(
[09:28] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: not exactly sure.
[09:28] <DaSkreech> Yeah neither am I :)
[09:29] <|Soul^shadow|> ha haah satyr a aol l8mr
[09:29] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: The answer might lie with python, maybe.
[09:29] <xenol> DaSkreech: i have DLed cd so i dont want to DL upgrade from inet
[09:29] <|Soul^shadow|> me points at the aol monkey
[09:29] <Satyr> |Soul^shadow|: howd you know? xD
[09:29] <Stromberg`> |Soul^shadow|: synaptic worked thx
[09:29] <|Soul^shadow|> easy
[09:30] <|Soul^shadow|> irc commands
[09:30] <Satyr> lol
[09:30] <xenol> hmm some1 serious?
[09:30] <|Soul^shadow|> nah
[09:30] <DaSkreech> dwidmann: Hmm I guess I could rub up a python script for a one time event :(
[09:31] <DaSkreech>  seems like such a waste if there is a command that can do it
[09:31] <|Soul^shadow|> aol has many open ports it sucks
[09:31] <|Soul^shadow|> aol= asholes online
[09:31] <DaSkreech> xenol: I know that it can be done. I am not sure if you have to do somethign special
[09:31] <DaSkreech> xenol: Oh!! I know
[09:31] <DaSkreech> add the CDrom to your sources :)
[09:32] <xenol> just
[09:32] <|Soul^shadow|> odd
[09:32] <xenol> well how ? :)
[09:32] <dwidmann> DaSkreech: keeping in mind python has nice Regex support
[09:32] <Frederick> folks wich is the packagem for gvim in kubuntu?
[09:32] <xenol> sudo apt-add /cdrom ?
[09:32] <|Soul^shadow|> u should see cdrom as soon as u put in  a cd
[09:32] <|Soul^shadow|> no
[09:32] <|Soul^shadow|> its a dev
[09:32] <|Soul^shadow|> put in a cd it hsould apear on ur desktop
[09:32] <DaSkreech> xenol: apt-cdrom I think
[09:33] <dwidmann> Frederick: apt-cache search vim | sort
[09:33] <mfranca> sexo
[09:34] <mray> Strange things are happening on my Kubuntu: after havin issues with Kubuntu & Gnome i finally can boot into KDE again, but now i just have Firefox 1.5 instead of my manually installed Firefox2.0!!! - can anybody give me  a hint what is going on?
[09:35] <xenol> DaSkreech: this safe way how to upgrade? i mean can smth be made wrong?
[09:35] <DaSkreech> I did it that one once. With Synaptic I'll admit (it was edubuntu) but it worked ok except for some network pacakages which i fixed
[09:35] <raeez> when 7.4 (feisty fawn) comes out... will i have to reformat and install that, or is their a distro upgrade or something?
[09:35] <DaSkreech> That was Hoary to breezy I think
[09:36] <DaSkreech> !upgrade > raeez
[09:36] <xenol> mray: u have dapper?
[09:36] <mray> yep, dapper
[09:36] <raeez> DaSkreech, wow cool
[09:36] <xenol> firefox 2.0 u can run
[09:36] <bronze> mray: 1.5 from 2?  suspect you have possible grunched of your system.  Perhaps time to re-install.
[09:36] <DaSkreech> raeez: Welcome to the awesomeness of Linux and Debian
[09:36] <xenol> but default for that distro is ff 1.5
[09:37] <xenol> raeez: welcome to the world of apt-get :p
[09:37] <mray> i know - but i manually apt-get removed the standard crappy ugly ff 1.5 and downloaded ff2 from mozilla.org
[09:37] <Frederick> dwidmann: didnt find it
[09:37] <bronze> !repositories
[09:37] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:38] <bronze> good bot!
[09:38] <julien_> how to go to UBUNTU.FR
[09:38] <DaSkreech> !botsnack
[09:38] <ubotu> Yum!
[09:38] <julien_> please
[09:38] <DaSkreech> !fr
[09:38] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[09:38] <julien_> yes
[09:38] <just-this-time> born again with http://del.icio.us/tony_behar
[09:38] <DaSkreech> julien_: Click on the blue letters
[09:38] <julien_> thank you
[09:38] <dwidmann> Frederick: should be vim-gtk
[09:38] <Frederick> dwidmann: oh thanks
[09:39] <dwidmann> julien_:alternatively you can: /join #kubuntu-fr
[09:39] <DaSkreech> dwidmann: gone. too late
[09:39] <dwidmann> Ahah
[09:40] <Frederick> dwidmann: kvim sems unavaliable
[09:41] <dwidmann> Frederick: I know
[09:42] <xenol> DaSkreech:  for ubuntu it says gksu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade"  for kubuntu i will type kdesu "sh /cdrom/cdromupgrade" ?
[09:42] <just-this-time> mray in konsole locate firefox
[09:42] <DaSkreech> xenol: Where says what?
[09:42] <DaSkreech> I don't know of a /cdrom
[09:42] <mray> just-this-time: how?
[09:43] <DaSkreech> mray: burn :)
[09:43] <xenol> DaSkreech:  cz ubuntu wiki
[09:43] <xenol> upgrade from dapper to edgy
[09:43] <ubuntu_> someone
[09:43] <ubuntu_> can help me
[09:43] <DaSkreech> !ask
[09:43] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:43] <DaSkreech> !anyone
[09:43] <ubotu> A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[09:43] <kkosmo> i have put a new harddisk to my motherboard
[09:43] <kkosmo> ok
[09:43] <raeez> help: I have recently installed beryl: And for a while it was working properly, then i installed superkaramba, restarted, and now i sit with 2 problems: When i press shit-backspace X sort of crashes and i am forced to restart it (very irritating while typing) and 2 when i log into kde I have to wait for a long time before my actual desktop loads (the taskbar loads but the desktop doesnt - it stays white) how can i fix these?
[09:44] <kkosmo> and now when i start the system
[09:44] <kkosmo> i get kernel panic error
[09:44] <xenol> DaSkreech:  so ?
[09:44] <kkosmo> Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block (9.0)
[09:44] <DaSkreech> xenol: Looking
[09:44] <kkosmo> something like this
[09:44] <xenol> DaSkreech:  brb getting smth to drink :p
[09:44] <DaSkreech> xenol: try it. If it doesn't work I had no idea what it was trying in the first place
[09:45] <dwidmann> kkosmo: maybe it rearranged the devices after you plugged it in, try changing things in grub
[09:45] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: I think your grub is messed up
[09:45] <kkosmo> how i can fix it
[09:45] <dwidmann> kkosmo: when you're at the grub menu, press 'e' (for edit)
[09:45] <kkosmo> i cant get into the system
[09:45] <steven_> what the code to see what wireless card she got
[09:46] <kkosmo> when i turned on the computer
[09:46] <kkosmo> this error
[09:46] <dwidmann> kkosmo, I know, that's why I said to do it at the menu
[09:46] <kkosmo> are coming
[09:46] <xenol> DaSkreech: wait i will paste what does sh says
[09:46] <kkosmo> and what i need
[09:46] <kkosmo> to change
[09:46] <kkosmo> in the grun
[09:46] <kkosmo> ?
[09:46] <dwidmann> You get the grub menu before it tries to load the kernel kkosmo
[09:46] <kkosmo> grub
[09:46] <dwidmann> Well, one sec kkosmo
[09:46] <xenol> !paste
[09:46] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:46] <kkosmo> ok
[09:47] <xenol> DaSkreech: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4620/
[09:47] <dwidmann> The "root" line will read something like "root (hd0,5)", try changing the 0 to a 1
[09:48] <kkosmo> ok
[09:48] <kkosmo> i try thanks
[09:48] <dwidmann> also, in the "kernel" line, there should be a part like "/dev/hda5", try changing that to "/dev/hdb5" or similar
[09:49] <dwidmann> I'm also relieved to have noticed that this problem won't exist anymore in Feisty thanks to the whole UUID thing.
[09:50] <raeez> help: I have recently installed beryl: And for a while it was working properly, then i installed superkaramba, restarted, and now i sit with 2 problems: When i press shit-backspace X sort of crashes and i am forced to restart it (very irritating while typing) and 2 when i log into kde I have to wait for a long time before my actual desktop loads (the taskbar loads but the desktop doesnt - it stays white) how can i fix these?
[09:50] <pixelation> does kscope let you do what you see is what you get?
[09:50] <steven_> what the code to see what wireless card you have??
[09:51] <dwidmann> raeez: the shift+backspace issue is an XGL issue
[09:51] <dwidmann> I forget the solution
[09:51] <dwidmann> steven: lspci?
[09:51] <DaSkreech> xenol: Do you have a /media/cdrom0?
[09:52] <raeez> dwidmann: do you know anything about losing your desktop (it loads up and stays white)
[09:52] <xenol> DaSkreech: ye
[09:52] <dwidmann> raeez: no, haven't heard of that one
[09:52] <DaSkreech> xenol: I think thats the /cdrom it's talking about
[09:52] <DaSkreech> And you do need kdesu
[09:53] <xenol> DaSkreech: if i try to execute script is says gksu command not found :(
[09:54] <xenol> !paste
[09:54] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[09:54] <DaSkreech> xenol: replace gksu with kdesu
[09:55] <xenol> DaSkreech: bash: gksu command not found
[09:55] <raeez> !autostart
[09:55] <ubotu> To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[09:55] <raeez> can somebody clarify what ubotu just said now? I dont get the 'make a link' part because  i dont know how to
[09:55] <DaSkreech> xenol: You are running the script?
[09:55] <kkosmo> hi
[09:55] <xenol> DaSkreech:  ye
[09:55] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[09:55] <kkosmo> i change the root
[09:55] <kkosmo> in the grub
[09:55] <kkosmo> but its dont help
[09:55] <DaSkreech> xenol: Edit the script
[09:56] <DaSkreech> xenol: replace gksu with kdesu
[09:56] <xenol> DaSkreech: it is on cd
[09:56] <DaSkreech> A ubuntu cd?
[09:57] <xenol> DaSkreech: ih has to be kubuntu
[09:57] <DaSkreech> Whered you get it?
[09:57] <xenol> wait
[09:58] <DaSkreech> raeez: Alt+F2 -> kdesktop
[09:58] <dwidmann> raeez: ln -s /path/to/file /path/to/where/you/want/the/link
[09:58] <xenol> DaSkreech: i DLed it from kubuntu.com i386 alternate
[09:58] <xenol> DaSkreech: 6.10 ofc
[09:58] <DaSkreech> hmm
[09:59] <juano__> !beryl
[09:59] <ubotu> Beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. See http://forum.beryl-project.org/ - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:59] <arphetic> wow,
[09:59] <h3sp4wn> strange it doesn't mention it is a compiz fork
[10:00] <andre__> hey guys
[10:00] <raeez> but people say beryl is better than compiz? or am i just an ignorant fool?
[10:00] <DaSkreech> !compiz
[10:00] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[10:00] <andre__> I've got dual monitors and my second monitor can't get a resolution higher than 800x600...  has anyone encountered this before?
[10:01] <raeez> dwidmann: how do you use that command you just gave me (-s ...)
[10:01] <xenol> DaSkreech:  any ideas?
[10:02] <DaSkreech> xenol: not yet I know you can upgrade from the cd
[10:02] <raeez> !aquamarine
[10:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about aquamarine - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:03] <xenol> DaSkreech: and how if i put cd on sources.list ?
[10:03] <inteliwasp> !sound
[10:03] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:04] <DaSkreech> just sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:04] <raeez> !link
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about link - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <DaSkreech> raeez: What are you trying to do?
[10:04] <kkosmo> somone can help me
[10:04] <raeez> DaSkreech: lol, i hate beeing a noob... Im trying to autoload beryl-manager at kde login
[10:05] <DaSkreech> ah
[10:05] <raeez> DaSkreech: any help?
[10:05] <DaSkreech> raeez: #ubuntu-effects is a much more efficent way to sort that out :)
[10:05] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: Sup?
[10:05] <firecrotch> raeez: you just need a symlink to beryl-manager in ~/.kde/Autostart
[10:05] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:05] <kkosmo> its dont work
[10:05] <kkosmo> what exectly i need to change
[10:05] <kkosmo> you can tell me
[10:05] <kkosmo> ?
[10:06] <DaSkreech> What doesn't work?
[10:06] <raeez> firecrotch: how do i make a symbolic link, thats what im trying to figure out!
[10:06] <kkosmo> i tell you its show
[10:06] <kkosmo> the kernal panic
[10:06] <kkosmo> agein
[10:06] <xenol> plz how can i add cdrom to sources.list?
[10:06] <kkosmo> what i need to edit
[10:06] <DaSkreech> xenol: man apt-cdrom
[10:06] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: You put in a new hard drive?
[10:06] <raeez> !symlink
[10:06] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Manuals: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicCommands
[10:06] <DaSkreech> !grub
[10:06] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:06] <kkosmo> new hard drive
[10:06] <kkosmo> and new
[10:06] <firecrotch> raeez: ln -s filename linkname
[10:06] <kkosmo> memory card
[10:06] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: did you move the old hard drive?
[10:07] <kkosmo> no
[10:07] <kkosmo> why that error come
[10:07] <kkosmo> are you know
[10:07] <raeez> firecrotch: would linkname in my case be the Autostart folder?
[10:07] <arphetic> Adept wont load anymore :<
[10:07] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: It's trying to find your hard drive and can't find it I think
[10:07] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: do you have a Live CD?
[10:07] <kkosmo> but the linux
[10:07] <kkosmo> i am now on live cd
[10:07] <DaSkreech> arphetic: does it have an error?
[10:07] <kkosmo> but the linux
[10:07] <kkosmo> kernel
[10:07] <kkosmo> is in the old
[10:08] <kkosmo> hard drive
[10:08] <arphetic> nope
[10:08] <arphetic> brb
[10:08] <firecrotch> raeez: ~/.kde/Autostart/beryl-manager
[10:08] <kkosmo> i think its becose the new memory that i put
[10:08] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: Do you know the path to the old hard drive?
[10:08] <kkosmo> now becose the drive
[10:08] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: /dev/?
[10:08] <raeez> firecrotch: Thank you SO much..
[10:08] <kkosmo> /dev/hda1
[10:08] <xenol> DaSkreech:  well i type but nothing happens nothing is added
[10:08] <firecrotch> raeez: my pleasuse
[10:08] <kkosmo> yes but in the menu its that what showe
[10:08] <firecrotch> *r
[10:08] <firecrotch> I can't type today
[10:08] <raeez> lol
[10:08] <DaSkreech> xenol: did you read the man page?
[10:08] <kkosmo> i very very very eed help
[10:09] <xenol> DaSkreech: :)
[10:09] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: That's ok. can you paste the contents of /boot/grub/grub.conf to pastebin?
[10:09] <DaSkreech> !paste | kkosmo
[10:09] <ubotu> kkosmo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:09] <arphetic> Nothing happens tbh
[10:10] <kkosmo> ok
[10:10] <kkosmo> but my grub.conf
[10:10] <kkosmo> is now the grub.conf
[10:10] <kkosmo> of live cd
[10:10] <kkosmo> i cannt get into my grub.conf
[10:10] <kkosmo> on my harddisk
[10:11] <DaSkreech> arphetic: run it from the command line and see if it throws an error
[10:11] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: Mount it
[10:11] <arphetic> erm
[10:11] <xenol> DaSkreech: i wont to add mount poitn but it says /media/cdrom unknown command :O
[10:11] <arphetic> sudo adept?
[10:11] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: mkdir dirname
[10:11] <raeez> What is the konsole command to delete a file
[10:11] <arphetic> then it works
[10:12] <DaSkreech> xenol: Hmm what happens when you put the CD in? Does it detect it as a Ubuntu CD?
[10:12] <firecrotch> raeez: rm
[10:12] <arphetic> thnQ :D
[10:12] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:12] <kkosmo> i can mount it
[10:12] <xenol> DaSkreech: no it is kubuntu
[10:12] <kkosmo> tell me
[10:12] <DaSkreech> raeez: rm
[10:12] <eisma> anyone here good with C++ so that they could help me?
[10:12] <firecrotch> raeez: be careful with that though :)
[10:12] <DaSkreech> xenol: sorry Kubuntu :)
[10:12] <ubuntu> Hey gus- I'm currently running K6.10 Live Cd. I can't use Qparted though :(
[10:12] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: Where did you mount it?
[10:12] <kkosmo> now i am in the live cd
[10:12] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: alt+space -> QT -> Press enter
[10:13] <kkosmo> so its dont have mount point
[10:13] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: Make one
[10:13] <raeez> thanks
[10:13] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: Just make a directory and mount it to it
[10:13] <arphetic> btw, at 28% it errors,error on making changes, it says something with packets too
[10:14] <xenol> DaSkreech: i just want to know what to type to terminal sudo apt-cdrom isnt enough
[10:14] <DaSkreech> arphetic: What are you installing?
[10:14] <arphetic> I try several things, but here I try nmap
[10:14] <makuseru> does anyone know why a knoppix cd asks me for a password when i go into the settings?
[10:15] <DaSkreech> xenol: sudo apt-cdrom add
[10:15] <ubuntu> When I try to resize in Qparted I get "Filesystem Check failed! Totally 21020 cluster accounting mismatches"?
[10:15] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: mkdir <directoryname>
[10:15] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: Let me know when you have done that
[10:18] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:18] <arphetic> DaSkreech: it happens on GCC too :S
[10:18] <kkosmo> but if i mount it in live cd
[10:18] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:18] <kkosmo> i make the dir
[10:18] <kkosmo> what next
[10:18] <kkosmo> ?
[10:19] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: sudo mount /dev/hda1 <directoryname>
[10:20] <xenol> DaSkreech: thx man only thing that sux is that 616 packages will be installed :/
[10:20] <kkosmo> !paste |kosmo
[10:20] <ubotu> kosmo: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:21] <arphetic> I think I found the problem
[10:21] <xenol> DaSkreech: should i disable all dapper sources?
[10:21] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:21] <arphetic> some other application is using the package thing, but I dont know which one
[10:21] <kkosmo> where the grub.conf
[10:21] <kkosmo> found/
[10:21] <kkosmo> ?
[10:21] <crazy_penguin> Good night to all!
[10:22] <DaSkreech> can you ls the directoryname?
[10:22] <kkosmo> /media/hda1
[10:22] <DaSkreech> arphetic: do you have another install going somewhere?
[10:22] <DaSkreech> can you ls /media/hda1 ?
[10:22] <kkosmo> bin  boot  cdrom  dev  etc  home  initrd  initrd.img  lib  lost+found  media  mnt  opt  proc  root  sbin  srv  sys  tmp  usr  var  vmlinuz
[10:23] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: ok /media/hda1/boot/grub/grub.conf
[10:23] <xenol> DaSkreech:  should i disable dapper sources?
[10:23] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:23] <kkosmo> i dont have
[10:23] <kkosmo> that file
[10:23] <|Soul^shadow|> fuck dell's
[10:23] <kkosmo> in this directory
[10:23] <DaSkreech> xenol: If you like not really necessary
[10:24] <DaSkreech> !language
[10:24] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:24] <|Soul^shadow|> !no
[10:24] <ubotu> Hvis du vil diskutere Ubuntu paa norsk, venligst gaa til #ubuntu-no. Takk!
[10:24] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: do you have a /media/hda1/boot/grub ?
[10:24] <xenol> DaSkreech:  i have cd in my repo
[10:24] <kkosmo> yes
[10:24] <parkerw207> heya everyone i am now a linux convery lol
[10:24] <kkosmo> but only menu
[10:24] <kkosmo> file
[10:24] <parkerw207> convert*
[10:24] <DaSkreech> xenol: it will pull from the highest one that it can which is the CD
[10:24] <kkosmo> mybe its /media/hda2
[10:24] <kkosmo> i check it
[10:24] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: no
[10:25] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: menu.lst. Sorry :)
[10:25] <xenol> DaSkreech:  i have only cd repo active now and it says that 470 mb need to be dled
[10:25] <DaSkreech> xenol: I think it means from the CD
[10:25] <xenol> ah
[10:25] <|Soul^shadow|> wow, hope ur not using dialup Ha ha ha ha
[10:25] <|Soul^shadow|> it would take a year to D/l that :P
[10:26] <xenol> yeah it would
[10:26] <xenol> :)
[10:26] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:26] <parkerw207> gusy how do i put icons on my destop ?
[10:26] <kkosmo> how its that i not have
[10:26] <kkosmo> grub.conf
[10:26] <|Soul^shadow|> hell takes an hour to d/l 1 meg sometimes :P
[10:26] <kkosmo> in this directory
[10:26] <kkosmo> ?
[10:27] <|Soul^shadow|> the grub should be in ur /boot folder
[10:27] <parkerw207> i want to put links in
[10:27] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: I think that it is /media/hda1/etc/grub.conf
[10:27] <parkerw207> like you have in windows if you know what i mean
[10:27] <kkosmo> no to
[10:27] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:27] <kkosmo> no to
[10:27] <parkerw207> #suse
[10:28] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: No matter menu.lst is the file we need
[10:28] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:28] <firecrotch> parkerw207: You mean a shortcut that will open a specific website, or what?
[10:28] <kkosmo> ok
[10:28] <kkosmo> i paste you
[10:28] <kkosmo> the contest of the file
[10:28] <kkosmo> in paste bin
[10:28] <kkosmo> ?
[10:28] <parkerw207> know like a sort cut to my home files ?
[10:28] <DaSkreech> parkerw207: You mean a launcher
[10:28] <parkerw207> i copied them onto my desktop
[10:28] <kkosmo> its relly long
[10:28] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:28] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: Yes. Give me the URL that it gives you
[10:28] <parkerw207> but i think it copied the whoe driectory lol
[10:28] <kkosmo> but its relly long
[10:28] <kkosmo> man
[10:29] <DaSkreech> parkerw207: What did you do?
[10:29] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: That's why we use pastebin :)
[10:29] <kkosmo> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4626/
[10:29] <kkosmo> look
[10:29] <parkerw207> pastbin?
[10:29] <DaSkreech> pastebin
[10:29] <kkosmo> !pstebin
[10:29] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pstebin - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:29] <kkosmo> !pastebin
[10:29] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:30] <parkerw207> how do connect to another channel>
[10:30] <kkosmo> /join #channel
[10:30] <DaSkreech> !join
[10:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about join - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:30] <DaSkreech> Doh :)
[10:30] <ubuntu> When I try to resize in Qparted I get "Filesystem Check failed! Totally 21020 cluster accounting mismatches"?
[10:30] <parkerw207> thanks alot
[10:30] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:30] <DaSkreech> ubuntu: Sounds like your hard drive needs some maintenance
[10:30] <kkosmo> you know what i need to do
[10:30] <kkosmo> plzzz
[10:31] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: You put in new RAM?
[10:31] <firecrotch> ubuntu, are you trying to resize an NTFS partition?
[10:31] <kkosmo> yes
[10:31] <ubuntu> Yes
[10:31] <|Soul^shadow|> ur HD Effed up buy another 1 :P
[10:31] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:31] <firecrotch> ubuntu: Did you defragment it first?
[10:31] <DaSkreech> !coc | |Soul^shadow|
[10:31] <ubotu> |Soul^shadow|: The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[10:31] <kkosmo> DaSkreech: you can help me
[10:31] <ubuntu> No...
[10:31] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: Did you take out old RAM?
[10:31] <kkosmo> DaSkreech: no
[10:31] <firecrotch> ubuntu: That's likely the problem
[10:32] <ubuntu> Ah
[10:32] <ubuntu> Thanks for the help
[10:32] <arphetic> You know what? ill try tomorrow again, with fresh inspiration
[10:32] <ubuntu> Ill check
[10:32] <|Soul^shadow|> Dascreech I been on all day only U cokplaining about my conduct
[10:32] <|Soul^shadow|> Ignored
[10:32] <A_Dufr3sne> join kubuntu-it
[10:32] <ubuntu> Any way I can do that from the Live CD without havign to go back to Windows?
[10:32] <DaSkreech> |Soul^shadow|: Regardless I'll ask you to read the page
[10:32] <xenol> anyone can tell me if lineage 2 is playable at wine if i run it through it?
[10:32] <|Soul^shadow|> [Ignore]  Added DaSkreech!* to your ignore list
[10:32] <kkosmo> xenol:
[10:33] <kkosmo> #winehq
[10:33] <firecrotch> xenol: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[10:33] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[10:33] <BluesKaj> ubuntu , burn the GParted live Cd for partition resizing and editing...it's the best IMHO
[10:33] <kkosmo> you know what i need to do for fix this problem
[10:33] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: I'm thining. It's some hardwaer cahnge that's freaking this out
[10:33] <DaSkreech> hardware change
[10:33] <firecrotch> ubuntu: I don't think you can, you'll need to be in windows
[10:33] <ubuntu> Ah, well thanks
[10:34] <kkosmo> so how i can fix it i can give you all the  information about this new ram
[10:34] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: that might help
[10:34] <kkosmo> its kingston 512mb ram 533mhz
[10:34] <DaSkreech> whats your old RAM?
[10:35] <kkosmo> my old ram working good
[10:35] <|Soul^shadow|> man i hate whiners
[10:35] <|Soul^shadow|> :P
[10:35] <|Soul^shadow|> afk again back to work :O
[10:37] <xenol> and one more question if i update dapper to edgy will my codecs, settings and other things need to be remade?
[10:37] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: Waht kind of RAM is it?
[10:37] <kkosmo> ddr
[10:37] <DaSkreech> You may need to reinstall libxine-extracodecs
[10:37] <DaSkreech> the old RAM?
[10:37] <kkosmo> not
[10:37] <DaSkreech> If they have different sync settigns that could freak teh kernel
[10:37] <kkosmo> the old ram i dont know
[10:37] <xenol> also w32codecs DaSkreech?
[10:38] <DaSkreech> xenol: Probably should update w32codecs in nay case :)
[10:38] <kkosmo> but the old ram working very good before i put this new ram
[10:38] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: Which RAM is larger the old or teh new?
[10:38] <kkosmo> new
[10:38] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: If they ahve different sync settigns it can freak the kernel
[10:38] <gnunez> hola
[10:38] <parkerw207> hey can i get some help , i installed all the updates but for some reason it says connection failed on my wifi
[10:38] <DaSkreech> Take out the old RAM and boot up and tell me if it freaks
[10:38] <kkosmo> so how i can change the setttings
[10:39] <kkosmo> ok
[10:39] <kkosmo> i try it
[10:39] <juliocbm> Hi people! Kubuntu is better, faster and more stable than opensuse? If yes, why?
[10:39] <firecrotch> parkerw207:  perhaps the settings for your network got lost
[10:40] <DaSkreech> juliocbm: as much as you play with it
[10:40] <DaSkreech> juliocbm: YMMV
[10:40] <steven_> what code can i put to get all the mp3 codecs?
[10:40] <parkerw207> i put the setting in again
[10:40] <BluesKaj> !codecs
[10:40] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:40] <juliocbm> DaSkreech: I don't understood... Can you be more clear?
[10:41] <DaSkreech> juliocbm: faster and more stable depends on your hardware
[10:41] <mray> help: i can't start firefox2 as user, only as root. i have no idea why it does not work!? :(
[10:42] <DaSkreech> Better is always a matter of opinion
[10:42] <mluser-work> anybody else have problems after a vmware-player install? It keeps trying to configure itself everytime I run aptitude
[10:42] <shabbir> YOOOo sup
[10:42] <Random_Transit> question, if i use LVM to merge partitions that already have data on them, will that data get wiped?
[10:42] <juliocbm> DaSkreech: I say about the system stability, after many upgrades and installation, in all computers
[10:42] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <Tm_T> |Soul^shadow|: Ping.
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <mray> Random_Transit: what is LVM?
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <Random_Transit> Logical Volume Manager
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <gnomefreak> shabbir: please stop repeatingh
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:43] <shabbir> does any one have game downloads for V. 2.81
[10:44] <Random_Transit> shabbir....FUCK OFF!!
[10:44] <mray> Random_Transit: I used a G-parted live-CD and it worked fine.
[10:44] <DaSkreech> !language | Random_Transit
[10:44] <BluesKaj> !op
[10:44] <ubotu> Random_Transit: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:44] <ubotu> Help! Riddell, fdoving, Mez, jpatrick, seth_k, apokryphos, nalioth, Hobbsee, robotgeek, imbrandon, gnomefreak, Hawkwind, trappist, LjL, Jucato,  haggai, fooishbar, crimsun, seth, apokryphos, or DBO
[10:44] <Random_Transit> sorry DaSkreech
[10:44] <gnomefreak> BluesKaj: we are here
[10:44] <BluesKaj> good
[10:44] <Random_Transit> mray, i don't think you understand what i mean
[10:45] <parkerw207> i did what it says , it just says , connection failed
[10:46] <mray> has anybody an idea why running firefox2 does not work as a user?
[10:46] <DaSkreech> mray: try it with a --profilemanager
[10:47] <gnomefreak> try firefox --safe-mode it will run without plugins extentions ect..
[10:47] <gnomefreak> that way you will know if its firefox or an extention plugin
[10:48] <DaSkreech> Oh yeha good idea
[10:48] <Random_Transit> so does anyone know if i can merge partitions with LVM without losing the data currently on those partitions?
[10:50] <inteliwasp> i'm starting to hate roadrunner...
[10:51] <mray> gnomefreak: Great - now I could start it!
[10:51] <gnomefreak> mray: remove the extentions you havee
[10:52] <gnomefreak> they are causing it to crash before starting
[10:52] <mray> gnomefreak: they're all gone somehow :(
[10:52] <RickSeymour> Howdy ho there folks... if is say installed edgy.. can i then move onto fiesty? how easy is it to move between the two
[10:52] <gnomefreak> mray: only in safemode
[10:52] <DaSkreech> !upgrade | RickSeymour
[10:52] <ubotu> RickSeymour: See http://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuUpgrade for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) to Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft)
[10:52] <gnomefreak> mray: once you start it normally you will crash it again
[10:53] <RickSeymour> how cool is that :)
[10:53] <DaSkreech> RickSeymour: Pretty cool :)
[10:53] <ubuntu> DaSkreech:
[10:53] <kkosmo> its happan
[10:53] <BluesKaj> !Fiesty
[10:53] <ubotu> The next version of Ubuntu (7.04; codenamed "Feisty Fawn"), it should be released in April 2007. At the moment it is alpha. Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeistyReleaseSchedule - Specifications (goals): https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/feisty - Help in #ubuntu+1
[10:54] <kkosmo> agin
[10:54] <kkosmo> when i take out
[10:54] <kkosmo> the memory card
[10:54] <kkosmo> the old
[10:54] <kkosmo> its show kernel panic
[10:54] <kkosmo> agein
[10:54] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: Still freaking?
[10:54] <kkosmo> yes
[10:54] <DaSkreech> Ok I should have asked you to then swap it and only put in the Old memory :(
[10:54] <kkosmo> damn
[10:55] <Tm_T> |Soul^shadow|: Ping.
[10:55] <DaSkreech> so that we could rule that out
[10:55] <Random_Transit> !lvm
[10:55] <ubotu> Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[10:55] <kkosmo> but i want that
[10:55] <kkosmo> memory
[10:55] <BluesKaj> kkosmo, don't space bar ...write your sentence
[10:55] <kkosmo> its dont the way to rule out the memory
[10:55] <Tm_T> |Soul^shadow|: Did you read CoC ?
[10:56] <|Soul^shadow|> I dont read coc im straight
[10:56] <|Soul^shadow|> coc is for women man
[10:56] <|Soul^shadow|> omg...
[10:56] <RickSeymour> well i think the time is right.......... Moving from Gentoo to Kubuntu ... all hail :)
[10:56] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: I think that we may be able to fix the memory but I want to know what is causing the problem
[10:57] <|Soul^shadow|> go for t rick, u will be happyer
[10:57] <h3sp4wn> and omg makes you sound like a female aol user
[10:57] <kkosmo> when i put this memory
[10:57] <kkosmo> in
[10:57] <genii> LOL
[10:57] <kkosmo> this problem come
[10:57] <RickSeymour> just watching a pirate movie type thing
[10:57] <aseigo> omg!
[10:57] <kkosmo> the problem is from the new memory i am sure very very sure about it
[10:58] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: You took it out and put in the old memory and it booted?
[10:58] <kkosmo> no all the system
[10:58] <kkosmo> working
[10:58] <kkosmo> good
[10:58] <genii> soulrider Any joy on the ping latency?
[10:58] <kkosmo> i buy this memory
[10:58] <kkosmo> put it in
[10:58] <inteliwasp> could someone point me to a guide on how to make a dvd movie with a menu?
[10:58] <kkosmo> and this error
[10:58] <kkosmo> come with this memory
[11:00] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: to confirm take out the new memory and put in the old one If it works then we know it's the memory
[11:00] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: do you have two computers?
[11:00] <kkosmo> no
[11:00] <kkosmo> 1
[11:00] <kkosmo> i am know that the memory
[11:00] <kkosmo> is make this problem
[11:00] <dwidmann> kkosmo: run memtest and see if it complains
[11:00] <kkosmo> becouse from when i am put it in this error will come
[11:00] <Tm_T> <3
[11:01] <DaSkreech> lol
[11:01] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[11:01] <Tm_T> I can feel my power!
[11:01] <DaSkreech> I'm confused as to why teh Live CD works though
[11:01] <kkosmo> i dont know
[11:01] <DaSkreech> Tm_T: as long as it doesn't stop us from feeling the community's power :)
[11:01] <Tm_T> DaSkreech: You mean MY power?
[11:02] <cpk1> aieee
[11:02] <dwidmann> netsplit indeed
[11:02] <inteliwasp> big netsplit...
[11:02] <dwidmann> irc.freenode.net it said
[11:02] <mray_> spammer ;)
[11:02] <DaSkreech> genii: for life!
[11:02] <genii> DaSkreech :)
[11:03] <kkosmo> DaSkreech:
[11:03] <DaSkreech> kkosmo: I'd prefer if we know for certain
[11:03] <dwidmann> certainty is good
[11:03] <DaSkreech>  If you have two computers then we can test the memory :)
[11:03] <DaSkreech> at worst when you are booting the live Cd it has a memory test on it
[11:03] <h3sp4wn> or just use memtest86
[11:05] <kkosmo> h3sp4wn:
[11:05] <kkosmo> how i use this memtest
[11:05] <A_Dufr3sne> anyone could help me? I have a problem with audio board
[11:05] <dwidmann> kkosmo, should be an option at boot
[11:05] <A_Dufr3sne> query me
[11:06] <dwidmann> oh, and kkosmo, did you work out your booting issue from before?
[11:06] <sebbar_> hi, my mom just complained to me on the phone that she had troubles using her paypal account on linux, I've never used paypal but has anybody ever heard of problems between linux/paypal?
[11:06] <kkosmo> i dont understand
[11:06] <A_Dufr3sne> or go to #soundblaster
[11:06] <kkosmo> what are you meaning
[11:07] <dwidmann> sebbar_: I only use it on rare occasion, but I didn't have any trouble with it.
[11:07] <sebbar_> dwidmann: pretty much what I thought, will have to take a closer look at the problem, tnx
[11:08] <genii> kkosmo All that memtest does is just exhaustively check your RAM. It is installed to the grub menu by default, so to run it just interrupt the grub loader with Esc key, then select it from the choices. If your ram is bad, a couple passes thru the test shows it
[11:08] <posingaspopular> On the live CD the first option is
[11:08] <posingaspopular> Install and run
[11:09] <posingaspopular> or something to the degree
[11:09] <posingaspopular> if you scroll down a bit on the options
[11:09] <posingaspopular> the memtest is.... 3rd from the bottom, i think?
[11:09] <parkerw207> how do install knetworkmanager ?
[11:09] <cpk1> sudo aptitude install knetworkmanager?
[11:11] <parkerw207> thank you very much
[11:11] <h3sp4wn> parkerw207: remember to comment everything out except lo from /etc/network/interfaces
[11:12] <mray_> what is the difference between aptitude and apt-get ?
[11:12] <DaSkreech> genii: I don't know if the RAM is bad
[11:12] <DaSkreech>  the default kernel just doesn't like it though
[11:12] <steven_> can someone please tell me what to type for getting the mp3 codecs?? i dont understand!! :( :(
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> there is a bad ram patch thing debian has
[11:12] <xenol> i have problem
[11:12] <h3sp4wn> if you do have bad ram you can still use it
[11:13] <DaSkreech> genii: I would assume that a live cd would be more likely to crash on bad ram than a normal boot
[11:13] <A_Dufr3sne> mray... I have wonderd too
[11:13] <parkerw207> will this do it all for me ?
[11:13] <parkerw207> ooo yeah
[11:13] <parkerw207> is there anything for wifi i can get off there ?
[11:13] <parkerw207> ooo this is knetworkmananger dont find my wifi
[11:13] <genii> DaSkreech: Could be some mixed types or else badly placed in the slots for dual-channel use or something similar
[11:14] <parkerw207> this is doing my head in
[11:14] <DaSkreech> !mp3 | steven_
[11:14] <ubotu> steven_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[11:14] <parkerw207> i dont know what you mean sorry
[11:14] <parkerw207> i am a newbie
[11:15] <steven_> :( i dont understand that!!:(
[11:15] <xenol> i added edgz eft alternate cd install to repo started apt-get upgrade and last 16 packages werent installed so i made x windows restart after then nothing booted so i booted alternate edgy cd and  installed system from scratch but when i wanted to boot  system from hDD only shell booted and when i typed sudo startx it said startx is unknown command
[11:15] <xenol> can anyone gimme ideas how to install edgy from alternate with x.org plz?
[11:16] <parkerw207> do you need to reboot to get updates to work ?
[11:16] <xenol> hmm it said some error that cant install last updates so i thought when i reboot x that it will help but didnt :/
[11:17] <NkZ> Greetings guys
[11:17] <mray_> parkerw207: mostly you don't need to reboot (like windows 98) ;)
[11:17] <xenol> is alternate cd supposed to install x windows?
[11:17] <DaSkreech> parkerw207: You only reboot for kernel upgrades
[11:18] <DaSkreech> xenol: Alternate installs whatever you want
[11:18] <NkZ> I just did "apt-get remove Konqueror" (Cuz I hate it) and Made the "Mistake" to do "apt-get autoremove". Now my window browser for KDE is gone. How can I solve that?
[11:18] <DaSkreech> xenol: it doesn't have to install xwindows
[11:18] <DaSkreech> xenol: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[11:18] <posingaspopular> mray: about your apt question. this blog might help http://blog.notsosoft.net/
[11:19] <yuriy> NkZ: window browser? as in window manager? or kicker?
[11:19] <xenol> DaSkreech: well but it didnt asked me wat to install
[11:19] <xenol> i only tagged software for kubuntu
[11:19] <xenol> DaSkreech: so i think x should be installed
[11:19] <NkZ> yuriy: Window Browser as nautilius for gnome
[11:19] <DaSkreech> xenol: if startx isn't installed I think it's safe to assume that X isn't ther
[11:19] <yuriy> NkZ: file manager?
[11:19] <DaSkreech> try jsut yping X
[11:19] <yuriy> NkZ: konqueror IS the file manager
[11:20] <xenol> DaSkreech: i tried to type startx and it was unknown command
[11:20] <xenol> so x isnt isntalled?
[11:20] <NkZ> Yuriy: File manager AND web browser?
[11:20] <DaSkreech> xenol: try X
[11:20] <yuriy> NkZ: yep
[11:20] <NkZ> Yuriy: Darn it LOL, Didn't know. I just hate It. ha ha ha ha
[11:20] <genii> Removing Konqueror is *not* a good idea
[11:21] <NkZ> Yuriy: apt-get install will solve the issue, right?
[11:21] <yuriy> NkZ: well that's just silly :P but if you want an alternate kde file manager, install dolphin
[11:21] <yuriy> !info dolphin edgy
[11:21] <NkZ> Yuriy: which is better?
[11:21] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.6.0-0ubuntu1 (edgy), package size 238 kB, installed size 932 kB
[11:21] <genii> Since it doubles as the KDE equivelent of windoze File Explorer
[11:21] <aseigo> dolphin or kommander, depending on your leanings
[11:21] <NkZ> Which one you reccomend? Konq or Dolph?
[11:22] <yuriy> NkZ: matter of preference. since you don't like konqueror, you might like the other ones better
[11:22] <yuriy> i personally prefer konqueror
[11:22] <NkZ> Roger that. Then I will just go with the flow and apt-get konq again
[11:22] <genii> Does the new xfce manager work in KDE?
[11:22] <yuriy> but there's also krusader
[11:23] <yuriy> genii: any file manager will work in any DE, but won't fit in nicely and will load extra libraries
[11:23] <genii> thunar9?) I thuink is the name. I like how it handles in xfce
[11:23] <NkZ> I will just suck up Konqueror.
[11:23] <NkZ> How do I disable is as custom Web browser?
[11:24] <yuriy> NkZ: custom? you mean default?
[11:24] <NkZ> Yes.
[11:24] <bobleny> Hey, How do I install programs that are not in the repositorys?
[11:24] <yuriy> NkZ: in system settings there's a "default applications" icon
[11:24] <james___> can enny 1 help me my dvds wont play on here what do i need to download or set
[11:24] <NkZ> Could you please do a !startup on me please?
[11:24] <yuriy> NkZ: anyways if you don't like konqueror, give dolphin and krusader a try
[11:25] <NkZ> Yuriy: You convinced me when you said Konq had more features and such.
[11:25] <yuriy> bobleny: you usually have to compile them if you can't find a package or repository
[11:25] <genii> If the program exists in e deb package but just not in the default repos you have enabled, enable the new repository that it is in, then do an update and it should appear as something to install. Other apps need to be installed from source however, or from a proprietary package you download and execute to install. Depends on what it is
[11:26] <yuriy> bobleny: what in particular are you trying to install?
[11:26] <djwilcox> you need to install libdvdcss2 to watch dvds
[11:26] <yuriy> !dvd | james__
[11:26] <ubotu> james__: For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages
[11:26] <genii> OK time to leave for work. Back here in about 20 minutes
[11:27] <james___> my dvds play but no sound or pic
[11:27] <djwilcox> hi has anyone managed to get mt-daapd working with itunes 7
[11:27] <posingaspopular> james___: what do you mean they play without sound or pic?
[11:28] <james___> when i put my dvd in the drive its plays but it dont have enny sound or pic
[11:28] <djwilcox> im trying to set up a daap streamer using mt-daapd but it doesnt show up on my mac in itunes
[11:28] <yuriy> james__: what player?
[11:29] <james___> kaffinen
[11:29] <djwilcox> try using vlc for dvds
[11:29] <james___> ok i go look for it
[11:29] <posingaspopular> james___: VLC is very good for dvds. i have the same problem with kaffine
[11:29] <djwilcox> u can also stream dvds using vlc across your home network
[11:30] <james___> yes i use vlc for windows
[11:30] <djwilcox> managed to stream to a desktop and a laptop and the same time
[11:31] <djwilcox> you can also stream dvds wirelessly but if you are using a firewall open port 8080
[11:31] <bobleny> yuriy, I want to install TrueCrypt
[11:31] <mray> is there a GUI for truecrypt out there btw?
[11:31] <just-this-time> !mid
[11:31] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mid - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:32] <just-this-time> !midi
[11:32] <ubotu> Trouble playing MIDI files? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MidiSoftwareSynthesisHowTo
[11:32] <djwilcox> is it possible to install the darwin streaming server on linux
[11:32] <bobleny> Can you point me to a guide on how to compile it?
[11:32] <djwilcox> looking at way to stream video
[11:34] <djwilcox> anyone got any tips on setting up a media centre
[11:35] <djwilcox> cant get mt-daapd working and it only streams audio
[11:35] <ltmon> djwilcox: TV and video, or just music?
[11:35] <bobleny> ubotu rules!
[11:35] <djwilcox> everything ideally
[11:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rules! - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:36] <ltmon> djwilcox: MythTV is probably the most complete package for that kind of thing... pretty heavyweight though
[11:36] <djwilcox> would like create a daap stream that shows up in itunes
[11:36] <bobleny> ubotu is one of the smartist machines around.
[11:36] <djwilcox> yer had a look at mythtv
[11:36] <soulrider> lol bobleny
[11:36] <soulrider> !botsnack
[11:36] <ubotu> Yum!
[11:36] <djwilcox> had a few problems trying to install
[11:36] <Stromberg> hi im having problems to find "Kile" (LaTeX frontend) with apt
[11:37] <djwilcox> think it looked like over kill as i dont have a tv card
[11:37] <Stromberg> anyone knows where to find it?
[11:37] <ltmon> djwilcox: did you use https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV?
[11:37] <soulrider> Stromberg: you sure thats the correct package name ?
[11:37] <Stromberg> well thats how the program is callled
[11:37] <bobleny> I just trying to open a convo with ubotu
[11:37] <jott_> !kile
[11:37] <soulrider> uhm
[11:37] <ubotu> kile: KDE Integrated LaTeX Environment. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:1.9.1-1 (edgy), package size 1807 kB, installed size 6876 kB
[11:37] <soulrider> i seem to have it
[11:37] <yuriy> bobleny: googling truecrypt ubuntu turns up some how-to's
[11:37] <Stromberg> weird
[11:37] <yuriy> bobleny: like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=199367&highlight=truecrypt
[11:37] <Stromberg> 6.10 here
[11:38] <djwilcox> i had problems trying to set up the mysql database
[11:38] <soulrider> Stromberg: have you enabled universe ?
[11:38] <Stromberg> not by myself
[11:38] <djwilcox> trying to find some video audio streamer that will show up on a mac
[11:38] <soulrider> but its enabled right ?
[11:38] <Stromberg> using synaptic ill check it
[11:38] <Stromberg> no idea
[11:38] <soulrider> ok
[11:38] <soulrider> open a console
[11:39] <nazgul2> Adiosito
[11:39] <soulrider> !es
[11:39] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:39] <Stromberg> soulrider: when i want to activate universe it says: "Packages from this component are not supported"
[11:39] <soulrider> yes
[11:39] <ltmon> djwilcox: it's not just worth setting up a Samba share and playing your video straight over that?
[11:40] <soulrider> but that doesnt mean they are gonna break your computer
[11:40] <Stromberg> dont care about that?
[11:40] <Stromberg> hehe okie
[11:40] <soulrider> enable it, theres no risk at all
[11:40] <Stromberg> so support = i cant bother kubuntu dudes with it
[11:40] <djwilcox> samba meaning windows
[11:40] <soulrider> but its good that you ask
[11:40] <soulrider> right
[11:41] <ltmon> djwilcox: it's what windows uses, but was around long before windows, but Mac, Windows and Linux clients can all connect to it pretty easily
[11:41] <Stromberg> wheeee a whole shitload of new packages
[11:41] <Stromberg> soulrider: thx mate
[11:41] <djwilcox> yer all my drives are mac in hfs+
[11:41] <soulrider> lol Stromberg
[11:41] <djwilcox> so i use ssh to connect mac to linux
[11:41] <the_hammer> nayone have troubles installing sun-java?
[11:41] <ltmon> djwilcox: files system type doesn't matter with samba... set up a samba server on your linux box and share files over it
[11:42] <soulrider> the_hammer: are you using adept to install it ?
[11:42] <the_hammer> anyone*
[11:42] <Stromberg> i love this beryl xgl stuff btw
[11:42] <the_hammer> ya
[11:42] <Stromberg> fedora was so slow when using aiglx
[11:42] <the_hammer> and term to
[11:42] <Stromberg> xgl rules
[11:42] <soulrider> lol Stromberg
[11:42] <soulrider> the_hammer: i think theres a bug with adept
[11:42] <the_hammer> sounds like it
[11:42] <soulrider> the_hammer: do you know how to use the console to install a package ?
[11:42] <the_hammer> yup
[11:42] <the_hammer> apt-get install
[11:43] <soulrider> ok, youre gonna have to use the konsole then
[11:43] <soulrider> right
[11:43] <djwilcox> are there any streaming servers for linux
[11:43] <the_hammer> i tried that to same thing
[11:43] <soulrider> or aptitude install
[11:43] <soulrider> i prefer aptitude
[11:43] <soulrider> what error do you get ?
[11:43] <djwilcox> like the quicktime streaming server
[11:43] <the_hammer> how would i use that?
[11:43] <soulrider> aptitude? the same way as apt-get
[11:43] <the_hammer> well when its done i get a screen suppose to click ok
[11:44] <soulrider> sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jre probably (not sure if thats hte correct package)
[11:44] <soulrider> yes, you ahve to agree to a licence
[11:46] <hassan2a> salut otut le monde
[11:46] <ltmon> djwilcox: you could try videolan... http://www.videolan.org/, but I can't give you much more guidance than that, as i haven't used it myself
[11:46] <soulrider> hi hassan2a
[11:46] <soulrider> !fr
[11:46] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[11:46] <graf2ix> hassan2a: tes sur un chan anglais la XD
[11:47] <djwilcox> yer i have used vlc to stream dvds
[11:47] <djwilcox> just checking to see if i can install the quicktime streamer server
[11:47] <the_hammer> brb
[11:48] <ltmon> djwilcox: i doubt it, as it's produced by apple and they don't seem to do much (if any) linux software
[11:48] <djwilcox> they have a open source version the darwin streaming server
[11:49] <ltmon> djwilcox: what do you know, they do
[11:49] <djwilcox> just downloading the source now
[11:49] <ltmon> djwilcox: looks like some compiling etc. to set up
[11:50] <djwilcox> i have built the darwin streamer server on macs before
[11:51] <djwilcox> has anyone managed to get avahi working
[11:51] <DaSkreech> !startup
[11:51] <ubotu> To add programs to start up when you log into your Gnome session https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AddingProgramToSessionStartup
[11:51] <djwilcox> so that services on kubuntu show up on a mac
[11:51] <xenophile7x7> does anyone in here play the game Rappelz?
[11:52] <djwilcox> like daap streams and websites
[11:55] <just-this-time> fenix_: ?
[11:57] <FoXs> Zdravim. Povedlo se tu tady nekomu rozchodit SPDIF?
[11:57] <xenol> DaSkreech:  so i back edgz is installed
[11:58] <graft> yo, anyone got a kde/beryl/fglrx/xgl how-to handy?
[11:58] <xenol> but inet isnt working max resolution is 1024x768 no drivers installed
[11:59] <xenol> anyone can help me plz?
[11:59] <Tm_T> !xgl > graft
[11:59] <xenol> DaSkreech: u here?
[11:59] <dwidmann> graft, one sec
[11:59] <DaSkreech> xenol: for two minutes?
[12:00] <xenol> DaSkreech:  can u tell me few things plz?
[12:00] <jott_> hmm btw is there any reason why vlc has not been updated to 0.8.6a as older versions are vulnerable? (yes i know its in universe but anyway ;)
[12:00] <xenol> i wait
[12:01] <xenol> DaSkreech: ?
[12:01] <dwidmann> http://wiki.beryl-project.org/wiki/Install_Beryl_on_Ubuntu
[12:03] <DaSkreech> xenol: ask
[12:03] <dwidmann> jott:jott_: there is an updated version in "edgy-security:"
[12:03] <xenol> DaSkreech: so i installed edgy and kde is running :p
[12:04] <DaSkreech> xenol: cool :-) not a question but...
[12:04] <jott_> dwidmann: ah..ok
[12:04] <xenol> DaSkreech: prob is i have no drivers installed for my ati and cant change resolution to more than 1024x768 cause monitor aint defined it onlz sazs generic monitor
[12:04] <xenol> and also my i-net isnt working
[12:04] <DaSkreech> !resolution
[12:04] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[12:04] <dwidmann> jott: deb http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ edgy universe
[12:05] <jott_> dwidmann: yep thanks i wonder why i did not have them enabled ;p
[12:05] <xenol> DaSkreech: should i copy xorg.conf from livecd?
[12:05] <xenol> or at least the past with monitor?
[12:05] <dwidmann> erm, that line wasn't quite right, sorry, should have read edgy-security instead of just edgy
[12:06] <jott_> dwidmann: no problem i got it right...
[12:06] <jott_> already updated ;)
[12:07] <dwidmann> I envy your connection :(
[12:07] <xenol> DaSkreech: also my connection to inet aint configured
[12:09] <fairman> FTP server question: I tried to install vsftpd and i need to add some directories from my /home to /home/ftp, i tried it througt symlinks, but it do not works, how can i do it?
[12:10] <fairman> I do not want to move whole directory!
[12:11] <masand> :-)
[12:13] <Captain_Redbeard> Hey guys, I'm having some problems with amarok, it doesn't  build the collection database even though it's reporting that it is, I even left it sitting for 12 hours and nothing. it, however, doesn't report any errors. What could be wrong?
[12:13] <dwidmann> Captain_Redbeard: cancel it and try again
[12:13] <dwidmann> if it continues to fail, delete your ~/.kde/share/apps/amarok folder
[12:14] <Captain_Redbeard> dwidmann: done it
[12:14] <Captain_Redbeard> dwidmann: also reinstalled it, checked the permissions for everything and so forth
[12:14] <Captain_Redbeard> dwidmann: all it does is creating the tables, but it doesn't fill them with anything
[12:15] <bingodash> hello