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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3764 kubuntu/ (4 files in 3 dirs): renaming the network portion to connecting, as that is all that document will cover (eth, wifi, and dial-up) | 02:42 |
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| jjesse | does cia-4 now report on commits? | 02:54 |
| nixternal | yes | 03:14 |
| nixternal | I renamed that because I wasn't going to go into networking as much as I was gaining connection | 03:14 |
| nixternal | and connections don't belong in the internet section, they are 2 different things | 03:15 |
| jjesse | ah | 03:20 |
| mpt | I think they're the same overall category, though | 03:26 |
| mpt | "Internet and networking" | 03:26 |
| nixternal | well networking is a very broad term, especially when all I am interested in is gaining a connection | 03:26 |
| mpt | yep | 03:26 |
| mpt | there are a bunch of things that could/should be in there and aren't :-) | 03:27 |
| nixternal | however, maybe I should go with networking and also get into Samba a little bit so people can access their Windows(tm) boxes | 03:27 |
| mpt | yes please! :-) | 03:27 |
| nixternal | hehe | 03:27 |
| mpt | I'd love to know how to do that | 03:27 |
| nixternal | mpt: I almost forgot about that | 03:27 |
| nixternal | I am glad you brought that up to spark my mind | 03:27 |
| nixternal | to much snow blowing today has erased my memory | 03:28 |
| mpt | Snow? I'm trying to keep cool :-/ | 03:28 |
| nixternal | hrmm. I am going to switch back I think and then just add more to the networking portion | 03:28 |
| nixternal | for Internet, I have the 3 browsers, Email, P2P, Torrent, and IM stuff | 03:29 |
| nixternal | I have the Kontact/KMail portion of Email covered, I am going to call out for someone to write up something on Evolution and Thunderbird as well | 03:29 |
| nixternal | I could be an arse and write up Mutt :) | 03:29 |
| mpt | Cool, but remember not to duplicate stuff that's already in the help for those individual programs | 03:30 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3765 kubuntu/connecting/C/connecting.xml: Quick commit, after talking with mpt, I am switching back to networking in order to incorporate stuff like Samba, and possibly NFS | 03:30 |
| nixternal | mpt: I will link with help:/samba and what not | 03:31 |
| nixternal | quick intro to let the user know what it is, and then a link to the Samba help and so on | 03:31 |
| mpt | hmm | 03:31 |
| mpt | Is there yelp-readable help about Samba? | 03:32 |
| mpt | oh, silly question | 03:32 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3766 kubuntu/ (connecting/ network/ network/C/ network/C/): moving back | 03:32 |
| mpt | if help:/samba exists, there must be | 03:32 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3767 kubuntu/network/C/ (connecting.xml network.xml): still going back | 03:33 |
| nixternal | I think there is, I am going to look right now | 03:33 |
| mpt | Ah, there it is, "To Access a remote server" in the DUG | 03:35 |
| mpt | Now that's weird capitalization | 03:35 |
| mpt | and weird wording, too (what if it's a Windows computer that isn't a server and isn't remote?) | 03:36 |
| nixternal | ya it is | 03:36 |
| nixternal | well, if it wasn't remote then you wouldn't be using Samba | 03:36 |
| mpt | well, hang on | 03:36 |
| nixternal | hehe | 03:36 |
| mpt | Let's say that my parents are using a crappy old machine running Windows 98 | 03:37 |
| mpt | and I want to transfer all their files to a new machine running Ubuntu | 03:37 |
| mpt | and I connect the computers via an Ethernet cable (let's pretend the crappy old machine has an Ethernet port) | 03:37 |
| mpt | What I want to know is, what do I do next? :-) | 03:37 |
| mpt | (and there should be a link to this section in the "If you've been using Windows" section...) | 03:38 |
| nixternal | well are you connecting through a switch, or are you usng a crossover cable and connecting them directly? | 03:38 |
| mpt | A what? | 03:38 |
| mpt | I don't know what either of those things are (honestly) | 03:38 |
| nixternal | well, you can use a crossover cable and connect pc to pc w/o a hub/switch/router, directly from one NIC to the other NIC | 03:38 |
| nixternal | there used to be an application similar to...argh I forgot the name | 03:39 |
| nixternal | it would do everything for you, it would see the connection and setup your Linux side to work | 03:39 |
| mpt | cf. http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=304721 | 03:43 |
| mpt | though that page is missing what to do if the Windows computer doesn't have file sharing turned on yet | 03:43 |
| nixternal | XP has file sharing enabled automagically doesn't it? There is like a shared files/folder directory iirc. | 03:45 |
| nixternal | been a long time | 03:45 |
| jjesse | yeah some basic autosharing through simple file sharing | 03:45 |
| nixternal | which is as simple as dragging and dropping | 03:46 |
| jjesse | in most basic forms yes | 03:46 |
| nixternal | I think the majority of the setup will be on the Kubuntu side | 03:46 |
| jjesse | but there is a "shared" folder that you can setup that makes it easiest | 03:46 |
| nixternal | good jjesse, I will need your help there. I am not forking out $100 for you know what :) | 03:47 |
| nixternal | I have Windows 2000 disc, that's about it | 03:47 |
| jjesse | ah | 03:47 |
| jjesse | vitsa rocks :) | 03:47 |
| nixternal | I have been Windows independent now for about 5 years | 03:47 |
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| nixternal | omg jjesse you just hurt my heart with that one ;p | 03:47 |
| nixternal | actually longer. I stopped my professional gaming career in 2001 :) | 03:48 |
| nixternal | During my tenure as a gamer I made $1500 | 03:48 |
| nixternal | big money! | 03:48 |
| jjesse | nice :) | 03:48 |
| nixternal | the only time I had to use Windows was for CAD, but I then pawned that task off to others | 03:48 |
| nixternal | but when designing networks and infrastructures, I kind of like doing that myself, since I can picture it, and drawing it out for someone else to sling to CAD is a waste | 03:49 |
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| nixternal | hrmm, do we list trademarks in a seperate file? | 03:53 |
| nixternal | i.e., Windows and Mac? | 03:53 |
| nixternal | they both want you to use Windows(TM) and Mac(R), however in Macs case, you only use the (R) for documentation within the United States, otherwise you do: | 03:54 |
| nixternal | Mac and Mac OS are trademarks of Apple Inc., registered in the U.S. and other countries. | 03:54 |
| nixternal | according to apple.com and microsoft.com we need to add their trademarks to our credits section | 03:58 |
| nixternal | otherwise we are in violation of their clauses | 03:58 |
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| jjesse | back sorry bout that 2 hour confrence call | 04:45 |
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| nixternal | lovely | 05:02 |
| nixternal | this late at night? | 05:02 |
| nixternal | and we don't call those conference calls here ;p | 05:02 |
| LaserJock | any emacs experts around? | 05:11 |
| nixternal | not I | 05:18 |
| nixternal | what are you messing around with now? | 05:18 |
| LaserJock | oh, kinda everything | 05:20 |
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| nixternal | hehe | 05:23 |
| nixternal | erc? | 05:23 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: are you using emacs-nox or are you using the X version? | 05:26 |
| nixternal | I swore emacs used to run in my terminal, but everytime I goto run it now, it opens the X version | 05:28 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3768 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: extra content - more to go | 05:34 |
| LaserJock | emacs -nw opens it without the window | 05:35 |
| nixternal | ahhh | 05:36 |
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| poningru | holy cow | 05:44 |
| poningru | anyone see the inclusion request for the migration thingie? | 05:44 |
| LaserJock | where? | 05:45 |
| poningru | on -devel-discuss | 05:47 |
| poningru | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportMigrationAssistant | 05:48 |
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| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: nixternal * r3769 kubuntu/network/C/network.xml: more content | 06:07 |
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| mdke | morning all | 09:05 |
| LaserJock | hi mdke | 09:06 |
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| Madpilot | hi mdke | 09:17 |
| mdke | hiya Madpilot, how are you? | 09:17 |
| Madpilot | good, busy with work and such, though | 09:17 |
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| mdke | Seveas: have they skipped a CC meeting this week? | 09:30 |
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| willvdl | do we send docbook patches to ubuntu-doc list? or other | 11:09 |
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| LaserJock | mdke: what is seb128 uploading? | 07:38 |
| LaserJock | latest yelp frontpage? | 07:38 |
| mdke | LaserJock: yes | 07:39 |
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| Ubugtu | New bug: #83871 in ubuntu-website "Herd-3 download page doesn't display in Safari" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/83871 | 10:51 |
| mdke | ?? | 10:53 |
| Gwaihir | mdke: think it has been opend by BugMan | 10:53 |
| Gwaihir | oh.. no... BugMad had the same problem | 10:54 |
| mdke | it was opened on distro-release-notes, I've reassigned it | 10:56 |
| Gwaihir | better! | 10:57 |
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| nixternal | oi | 11:37 |
| LaserJock | hi nixternal | 11:43 |
| nixternal | I am trying to figure out if I am at daycare or college | 11:43 |
| Ubugtu | New bug: #75080 in ubuntu-docs (main) "nfs server documentation needs addition" [Undecided,Unconfirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/75080 | 11:44 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: haha | 11:44 |
| nixternal | the nfs server docs need more than an addition I am affraid | 11:45 |
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| LaserJock | nixternal: I just honestly don't know the detail of how the yelp page is set | 11:55 |
| nixternal | ditto | 11:55 |
| nixternal | but I have it setup at home and I will look at it | 11:55 |
| mdke | which? | 11:55 |
| nixternal | well look who it is | 11:55 |
| LaserJock | mdke: we're still trying to figure out what to do with edubuntu-docs | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | nixternal made a package that adds on the edubuntu stuff | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | but it's kinda ugly because stuff like About Ubuntu is still there | 11:56 |
| LaserJock | and our "guides" are intermixed with TBH material | 11:56 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: incorporate the Ubuntu-docs (topic based) into the edubuntu-doc package. Then we figure out the Yelp portion of it | 11:57 |
| nixternal | can we create a custom Yelp page just for the Edubuntu package? | 11:57 |
| mdke | well, you need to wait until *we* figure out how the yelp page works | 11:57 |
| mdke | then I can help | 11:57 |
| LaserJock | :-) | 11:57 |
| mdke | don't worry, I have in mind what you mentioned about edubuntu | 11:57 |
| nixternal | cool mdke, think you can have it all finished within the hour? :) | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | well, we need to get an edubuntu-docs package together and promoted in Main like today | 11:58 |
| CIA-4 | Ubuntu Documentation: mdke * r3770 /trunk/ (5 files in 3 dirs): adding a "Files, Folders and Documents" topic | 11:58 |
| LaserJock | if we can just have *something* we can fix "bugs" later | 11:58 |
| mdke | nixternal: no of course not | 11:58 |
| nixternal | darn, it was worth a try though ;p | 11:59 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: grab the package I made, re-version it, and use that temporarily? | 11:59 |
| mdke | so what further is missing? | 11:59 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: that at least puts all the content in | 11:59 |
| nixternal | it will add to the mess called yelp, but there will be something there at least | 11:59 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: all of the docs packaged in edubuntu-docs though show up just fine on the front page of yelp | 12:00 |
| mdke | don't diss yelp | 12:00 |
| nixternal | mdke: don't worry, KHelpCenter is just as bad | 12:00 |
| mdke | as bad? | 12:00 |
| nixternal | hehe | 12:00 |
| mdke | anyway | 12:00 |
| mdke | but a yelp upload is going in soon which will customise the front page. It may not have the edubuntu-docs on it. | 12:01 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I probably asked before (my brain is soup right now) but if we add in the Ubuntu content to our edubuntu-docs package can we tweak the yelp frontpage | 12:01 |
| mdke | we can tweak it later, I hope | 12:01 |
| nixternal | At least Yelp works, KHelpCenter in Kubuntu doesn't work correctly | 12:01 |
| LaserJock | i.e. can we just not build About Ubuntu and it won't show up? | 12:01 |
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| nixternal | ahh, I see what you are saying now | 12:01 |
| mdke | LaserJock: if you are depending on ubuntu-docs, which I presume you are, we'll have to think of a clever way to hide about ubuntu | 12:02 |
| nixternal | shoot, I left my Philosophy and Logic homework at home | 12:02 |
| LaserJock | mdke: I was just wondering if we could "copy" the Ubuntu content we want into edubuntu-docs and not dep on ubuntu-docs | 12:03 |
| nixternal | mdke: not depending, but copying in the topic-based section | 12:03 |
| mdke | ewww | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | I know, I know | 12:03 |
| mdke | so conflicting? | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | ummm, yeah :-) | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | right now the dep-on-ubuntu works, just kinda ugly | 12:03 |
| LaserJock | do you think we can figure out how to take out About Ubuntu for edubuntu before Feisty is released? | 12:04 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: after looking at the yelp code, changing it seems rather simple, however! it would require a different yelp package between Ubuntu and Edubuntu | 12:04 |
| mdke | I hope so | 12:04 |
| nixternal | I see the TOC patch for Yelp | 12:04 |
| mdke | nixternal: don't start looking at the yelp code for crying out loud | 12:04 |
| mdke | no, you don't | 12:04 |
| nixternal | very simple C code | 12:05 |
| nixternal | umm yes I do | 12:05 |
| mdke | that's the one for last release | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | but we can't fork yelp just for Edubuntu, that's too ugly | 12:05 |
| nixternal | well, I am saying hacking Yelp looks easy | 12:05 |
| mdke | listen, you can either trust me when I say that I'm thinking about edubuntu and will take care of it, or you can disbelieve me and go and plough around in the old code | 12:05 |
| LaserJock | no, no, we trust you | 12:06 |
| LaserJock | I'm just trying to confirm that you are thinking about it for Feisty | 12:06 |
| nixternal | the TOC patch applies to 4 files, 2 xml, 2 xsl, and 1 c file | 12:06 |
| mdke | LaserJock: yes, I said that | 12:06 |
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| LaserJock | hehe | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | ok, it's settled then | 12:07 |
| nixternal | LaserJock: so for the time being, just get the edubuntu-docs package uploaded and we can wait | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: fix the versioning and we'll upload | 12:07 |
| nixternal | thanks | 12:07 |
| nixternal | what version should it be | 12:07 |
| mdke | LaserJock: I have already raised the edubuntu question with the yelp upstream developer who is doing the work, and we'll be on it. Hiding about-ubuntu will be tricky, but I'll raise that too | 12:07 |
| nixternal | 0.14-1ubuntu34343234 | 12:07 |
| nixternal | I can't remember | 12:07 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: that's what LP is for | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | 0.5-1 looks good | 12:08 |
| nixternal | roger | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | and grab the old changelog entries and say a bit more in your entry | 12:08 |
| mdke | good night | 12:08 |
| LaserJock | cya mdke, thanks for the help and sorry for the confusion ;-) | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | nixternal: do you think you could also handle filing a MIR? | 12:09 |
| LaserJock | or should I? | 12:10 |
| nixternal | alrighty, updating my pbuilder | 12:12 |
| nixternal | I can do it, but I won't be able to do it either late tonight or tomorrow evening | 12:12 |
| nixternal | it should be a fairly straight forward MIR | 12:13 |
| LaserJock | yep | 12:15 |
| nixternal | I love the super fast WiFi at school | 12:16 |
| nixternal | will only take a week to update pbuilder ;) | 12:16 |
| nixternal | they give you great 56k performance | 12:17 |
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